From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 27 23:46:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFEB98EE82; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B612159E; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C7FB3F722; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <558F35D0.4040601@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:46:24 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson CC: vermaden , Josh Paetzel , "freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Working and Supported SCSI Controller References: <558E1E7A.5000105@bananmonarki.se> <558EA499.7080207@bananmonarki.se> <558EB032.1020100@interia.pl> <558EF49A.5070901@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <558EF49A.5070901@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:57:54 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:46:32 -0000 >> More then 3 years for a reply ... better late then never tho ;) >> > Do not know what future you live in... but nonte less it is 2015 where i > live. FWIW, your own reply quotes that message as: "On 2012-05-24 01:02, vermaden wrote: " From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 02:13:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBC398CEC3 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 02:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zagazaw2004@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2784A10F1 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 02:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zagazaw2004@gmail.com) Received: by wiga1 with SMTP id a1so44742317wig.0 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:13:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4ATfm5jA8OnmRmV+dc0qxJcuCCaaMtxYn8ZDUyaiPa0=; b=rLGLXtrsEo0vltZxAGrTIvbbCqGq0dfqlL2TxLFzquQf9FLBNEyxSpt0TTIFTjgpEB p2zbZ0Ge12EX5ZA1KR2JmKtJ4MzaxVsEtXk8nfDX3tDO5+Vzmv6YrTfOwKTaeTeCdm/y c8jseCQJnXe3VYN7evdNdCag9LskhWI1aMBldczH4iwsmcvB4A8TJOAm1rcuE7Jqqcaq pv+Mb5Q2FFlr8G3Co8FNSHk9q6WoImgKY9uvrAKk7hSU+ZpdZVdh5N1rVX6lfR9nQ4Jh jKm4tY2ubohs6f3A/7x/bpIM6MWGdUzQ7iH0OTAl7/YEGFRkz4v+J619hIgVUkCgTHBe ZHtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.178.201 with SMTP id da9mr15821176wjc.139.1435457628694; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.11.1 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.11.1 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:13:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 02:13:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: is something wrong with forums.freebsd.org? From: Yass Amed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 02:13:50 -0000 Iun 27, 2015 7:00 AM, wrote: > > Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-questions digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is there something wrong with forums.freebsd.org? (Ian Smith) > 2. Re: Is there something wrong with forums.freebsd.org? > (Valeri Galtsev) > 3. Re: how to fix "CORRUPT" partition table in mirrored drive > (Valeri Galtsev) > 4. Re: Is there something wrong with forums.freebsd.org? (Quartz) > 5. Re: Working and Supported SCSI Controller (Bernt Hansson) > 6. Re: Working and Supported SCSI Controller (Josh Paetzel) > 7. Following up on Wyoming Students and Parents Education > Resources (Ana Berjuega) > 8. Simplifying lang/pypy(3) (David Naylor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 23:12:27 +1000 (EST) > From: Ian Smith > To: Warren Block > Cc: Quartz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Is there something wrong with forums.freebsd.org? > Message-ID: <20150626224716.J14881@sola.nimnet.asn.au> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 577, Issue 5, Message: 20 > On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2015, Quartz wrote: > > > > >>>>> Let me ask this a different way: did they update to something so new > > >>>>> that it only works on very recent OSs? Like should I test with a > > >>>>> windows 8 system or something? > > >>>> > > >>>> No. Firefox 38 on FreeBSD 10-STABLE here, works fine. > > >>> > > >>> Well, given that 10.0 came out only a year and a half ago, that > > >>> doesn't really give me any more info. I'm wondering where the cutoff > > >>> is for "too old" in this case, assuming that's even the issue. > > >> > > >> It is the browser, not the operating system. Unless you have an > > >> unpatched openSSL, maybe. > > > > > > OK, where does curl fit into that then? Presumably all the versions I have > > > access to are too old I guess. > > > > There was a problem curl linking to both the base and ports version of > > openssl not too long ago, and consequently breaking other applications. > > Sorry, been away, just catching up a bit .. > > This seems likely because Quartz' curl (or the way it's setup) doesn't > support TLS 1.1 or 1.2 for https connections, which forums.freebsd.org > now requires, to gain higher security rankings and favour from google. > > There was a long and probably considered off-topic thread during May on > freebsd-security@ about it, in which I was silly enough to participate > because my (ok, ancient) SeaMonkey can no longer connect to the forums. > > Skim thread 'Forums.FreeBSD.org - SSL Issue?' for the gory details: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2015-May/008350.html > > cheers, Ian > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:49:55 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Valeri Galtsev" > To: "jd1008" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Is there something wrong with forums.freebsd.org? > Message-ID: > <35572.128.135.70.2.1435330195.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > On Thu, June 25, 2015 9:21 pm, jd1008 wrote: > > > > > > On 06/25/2015 06:15 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >> On 06/25/15 18:23, Quartz wrote: > >>>>> check your OS and browser version, they recently updated SSL. > >>>> > >>>> It doesn't matter what OS or browser I'm using, this happens on every > >>>> machine and even curl. > >>> > >>> Let me ask this a different way: did they update to something so new > >>> that it only works on very recent OSs? Like should I test with a > >>> windows 8 system or something? > >>> > >> Why would freebsd.org mangle its website so it only worked w/ Windoze ? > >> > > They did not! > > I just used Linux to access it with Firefox. > > No problems!! > > > Indeed. I can see it from FreeBSD (Firefox and midori) from macintosh > (vivaldi browser). It is interesting how some people mind works: they > never assume wrong on their own side... > > Valeri > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ------------------------------ > I tried accessing the forums from Linux-based distro, BSD(Freebsd and OpenBSD), Windows, and Android successfully using Firefox. The only time I cannot access the forums is when using Tor browser. Hope that helps. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 04:34:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154D798E552 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 04:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x231.google.com (mail-la0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0FF9199A for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 04:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: by laar3 with SMTP id r3so31011887laa.0 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cK4V22pMYrUK4cyMAlgzNWlYoEct5APA/7KKOAsV7Gk=; b=OqcaNzpv2pIOtGXAOPaENrKCsel8FqpCXUgRoO0ZexTks0+GBnqyuFf2TJPyKWpdkL OcJNxwiTCPi9nGBPWQWhu9VFgZVOqFrMItHVGlDSt9z++zdfynS+tZdw5xGPJokevYbr kKRlWNVAovO51TxbhG2EVA4d7lK0S9afgGs+TRBh3ZuSLHqx3EVPGvPpBKFZ2mthd38K 8vYhJ1Zuygkg/Oyb2AT51W6GXMbFPLt/F6t7VGfa3f8xpq9qfL1E/LPnV3QzrDcPXEFI 5HjGCx9KuoS0g1zDvgSEqd6JMfrQPK/PxBDJjr8Ny4CCc2vzZc49qr2qlmAuE3Ypy1uK AnqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.204.7 with SMTP id ku7mr8413367lac.38.1435466073126; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.42.146 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:34:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT From: Chris Stankevitz To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 04:34:36 -0000 Hi, I have 11 drives in a zpools. The zpool is using the drives. i.e. I used "zpool create da1 da2 da3 ... daN". The zpools are running well. In a former life, each of these these drives held two gpart partitions. Apparently I did not "gpart destroy" these drives before creating a zpool out of them. Now when my computer boots, 1. the zpool comes up and is healthy 2. ls /dev/daX* does not show any of the "old" partitions. 3. dmesg reports "the primary GPT table is corrupt or invalid" and "using the secondary instead -- recovery strongly advised." Q: Am I in danger of GPT wrestling control of the drive away from ZFS Q: How can I remove the secondary GPT table from each of the drives that are participating in the zpool? I suppose I could offline and resilver each of them. I'm afraid to dd the secondary GPT header at the last 512 bytes of the drive. Perhaps there is a way I can ask ZFS to do that for me? Thank you, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 06:26:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A197598F59E for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5143C114C for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5S6Q4Qx015913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t5S6Q3mi015910; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:26:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Chris Stankevitz cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:26:04 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:26:06 -0000 On Sat, 27 Jun 2015, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > I have 11 drives in a zpools. The zpool is using the drives. i.e. I > used "zpool create da1 da2 da3 ... daN". The zpools are running well. > > In a former life, each of these these drives held two gpart > partitions. Apparently I did not "gpart destroy" these drives before > creating a zpool out of them. > > Now when my computer boots, > > 1. the zpool comes up and is healthy > > 2. ls /dev/daX* does not show any of the "old" partitions. > > 3. dmesg reports "the primary GPT table is corrupt or invalid" and > "using the secondary instead -- recovery strongly advised." > > Q: Am I in danger of GPT wrestling control of the drive away from ZFS No, but I would want to fix it so it doesn't surprise me at some inopportune later date. > Q: How can I remove the secondary GPT table from each of the drives > that are participating in the zpool? I suppose I could offline and > resilver each of them. I'm afraid to dd the secondary GPT header at > the last 512 bytes of the drive. Erasing just the last block would probably be enough. Still, the only reason to be afraid of it is if you do not have a full backup. And if you don't have a full backup, that is the first thing to do. > Perhaps there is a way I can ask ZFS > to do that for me? Not that I know of. If the backup GPT were in an area that ZFS writes, it would have been overwritten when the ZFS label was installed. Here is the forum thread where I show the math about erasing the backup GPT: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/gpt-table-corrupt.52102/#post-292341 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 06:31:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3883F98F63F for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rbyrnes@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA2621500 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rbyrnes@gmail.com) Received: by qkbp125 with SMTP id p125so78213978qkb.2 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:31:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yy2B3lVnS1HhFHUrpgHcXL6O17sMMl0JTdN7QkvEoSI=; b=jZ6djiv20g7x/FMxH2LeIhaLScYTvHbrw7hW33SICwLcFp96/E+ACIxb72iqoJxiWH taThJ7Ry34iikT4H8r4r0CJSrMyRVzhWwRX8ke+OG43VF/0dr7+hUzyczKZnHELqo4P4 eRs5nsoD0ZvlVPFzamFkuZ2VL3BKNEqKrbt2Ojab0ShNkkZrkLzIRiDmdxQEWqlN93A4 MY07pUaziQWkV8zSoNS0w1FYSalBjZsdHbf3C/+kbruIPWIudgRavzL0YfW1JJvZZC5V XN/exxdxBEW5UUFLRwZ9lhHlhZ8lfipo9ghBJYRuzJvbELjNLrJsvTCutPqAnmyhaufp BtDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.150.143 with SMTP id 137mr12997983qhw.0.1435473073129; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.86.80 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.86.80 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:31:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <558EACBA.8050908@columbus.rr.com> References: <558EACBA.8050908@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:31:13 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AMD Radeon 290 From: Rob Byrnes To: Baho Utot Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:31:14 -0000 If you aren't doing 3D anything then it s probably not worth spending money on a new card. Just my 2c Rob On 28/06/2015 12:03 am, "Baho Utot" wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my graphics card from a Radeon HD6770 to an AMD > 290. This work station dual boots > FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > and win7. This will be for email, web browsing etc, no 3D rendering > required. > > I have looked at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics and it states that the > card is not supported. > > Is any one currently using an AMD R9 series graphics card? > > If so can you give my some feedback on upgrading to an AMD R9? > > What works/doesn't work etc > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 06:52:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C0998F9F2 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88F801072 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D0123F6EA for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 02:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 02:52:38 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:52:41 -0000 > 3. dmesg reports "the primary GPT table is corrupt or invalid" and > "using the secondary instead -- recovery strongly advised." > Q: How can I remove the secondary GPT table from each of the drives > that are participating in the zpool? First off, you should double check what's going on with your layout. You didn't mention what system you're running or how this array was created. In several cases even if you meant to use the whole disk you can accidentally or unknowingly end up making gpt headers anyway, either for labels, compatibility, or because you did something that ended up requiring partitions. Also, a lot of zfs-based front ends (eg; freenas) always create zfs-on-partitions, so if this array was ported from another system it's possible it's supposed to have a legit gpt layout. Additionally, some motherboards and expansion cards that offer raid services can cause problems that can screw with gpt. I have a motherboard where I have to set the sata ports as old style ide compatible, because turning on ahci mode automatically reserves/locks off a chunk of the end of the disk for raid metadata (even if I have the raid options disabled) causing dmesg to complain about corrupt gpt headers. So double check if you've changed anything related to that. Either way, before you go any further, explain the steps you did to create this pool and dump out everything that the gpt commands tell you about the disks. It would especially help to get a dump of either/both headers to see what's going on there. >I suppose I could offline and > resilver each of them. Simply resilvering is not guaranteed to fix the problem, depending on what's going on. If you're feeling adventurous you can always offline a drive and 'gpart destroy' it, then see what zfs says if you try to bring it back or reboot. > I'm afraid to dd the secondary GPT header at > the last 512 bytes of the drive. Perhaps there is a way I can ask ZFS > to do that for me? Zfs doesn't mess with gpt directly like that, so no. If you don't want to 'gpart destroy' it for some reason it's not hard to nuke it yourself though with dd; you just need the output from 'diskinfo' and a calculator. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 08:07:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6098EC4C; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from koobs.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x22d.google.com (mail-pa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8BF51A1A; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from koobs.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by padev16 with SMTP id ev16so89665658pad.0; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:07:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=noYMRAVRL+/aVA5tSKcCQLgG8NtnQuz080jzkSBtyqE=; b=xwqz1zCDDoNjsEUnSEt/3mJDouJ0StdTSBb3yXNFrdmTqCNdm7pXNDa7dz9vtAuOTo jlQdpel3Ukn/b4DdrUdYQp4mHT0deB8B4Ebh2/Fd0mFDBsZAkfoH9SjJjWIHU+3j00/W XxreUmMN+ykbOfZQ73rkXntUuSZBKGIWqRY19NuAkm0ImfJMOnb5GU3P75bot/bWerhO s8eOiG1+44PngdI4HG3nxWtlA/tzS7/4twhba9E59s1675qS4PcjVrK+BFn6qR7nzuEx eOLmP2NP4XfykplxWVAuGXMu7RZl8yXM7mQ2wkAeIsKVZZoGv2rQ5/7EFD53aMi7ts4C 35PQ== X-Received: by 10.66.249.101 with SMTP id yt5mr20094688pac.116.1435478838177; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:44b8:31ae:7b01::2? 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[2001:44b8:31ae:7b01::2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pa1sm38468141pdb.73.2015.06.28.01.07.16 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Kubilay Kocak Reply-To: koobs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Simplifying lang/pypy(3) References: <1778458.ppUHDKsiRe@dragon.local> To: David Naylor , freebsd-python@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Kubilay Kocak Message-ID: <558FAB30.30802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:07:12 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1778458.ppUHDKsiRe@dragon.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:07:21 -0000 On 27/06/2015 9:16 PM, David Naylor wrote: > Hi, > > lang/pypy was originally set up to achieve: > > * building of multiple pypy instances based on different setting (i.e. with > or without jit, sandboxing, etc). The port user could define any permutation > she desires. > > * Install in a directory layout more similar to lang/python (i.e. libraries > in lib/, include files in include/). > > I plan to simplify the port by removing the multi-instance support and using > the default directory layout of the port. This will fix issues with > virtualenv and reduce the learning curve of using/maintaining the port. > > To this end does anyone: > > a) use the multi-instance support? > > b) depend on the current directory layout? > > Based on feedback I will adapt my plans to simplify. > > Regards > Thanks for opening up the question to the list David My vote (without my python hat on) would be for lang/pypy being as close to the upstream experience (freebsd improvements not withstanding) as the possibly by default as that would be my expectation as a user knowing nothing else. >From there work on additions or extensions, possibly as extra (slave) ports or something similar ./koobs From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 08:59:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B77698F64D for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B9EC191B for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 704C63F710 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 04:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <558FB75B.8020305@sneakertech.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 04:59:07 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:59:10 -0000 >Also, a lot of zfs-based front ends (eg; freenas) > always create zfs-on-partitions, so if this array was ported from > another system it's possible it's supposed to have a legit gpt layout. As an aside, I believe the linux implementation of zfs also requires partitions (or at least it used to). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 10:15:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6258098C48D for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFF0191B for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:56769] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 89/16-19251-F29CF855; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:15:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.53] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z99cE-0003sc-SN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <558FC929.2060906@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:15:05 -0400 From: Baho Utot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: AMD Radeon 290 References: <558EACBA.8050908@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:15:19 -0000 On 06/28/15 02:31, Rob Byrnes wrote: > > If you aren't doing 3D anything then it s probably not worth spending > money on a new card. > > Just my 2c > Rob > I want to upgrade the card to run with win7 and I need it to work also with Freebsd > On 28/06/2015 12:03 am, "Baho Utot" > wrote: > > I am looking to upgrade my graphics card from a Radeon HD6770 to > an AMD 290. This work station dual boots > FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > and win7. This will be for email, web browsing etc, no 3D > rendering required. > > I have looked at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics and it states > that the card is not supported. > > Is any one currently using an AMD R9 series graphics card? > > If so can you give my some feedback on upgrading to an AMD R9? > > What works/doesn't work etc > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 12:26:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A5D98F069 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 658311DCB for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: by wguu7 with SMTP id u7so120602700wgu.3 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r/g1ZUMC0c+0QzN7022ZLnzGTkoeCPlsgrklNDGEa8A=; b=rAbioKP8h4BROmp42D6joCp3u1YfyeW4r01l3G5InPylhAduwjRTl6lJf1bO2o8tKK uOrHGSzv76/9lha0hT4GvoNCFrEIOQIfEsVvyp6uZP2guIMN5J/ByyK1e+H7OYj2hohA 6oieDVPyi4yxoEax/6j/SFYc7Bto4JxeP5P9MOHPdiEVtIlh3ZJjrWPh5EV7SqtihJM1 6AETHIXGwU7ZoFr/ekBsKv9rRX+DRcXQDqZwLdk2S5qP4PnQqWvc7zVxMGLQWhH+mcxO sWtmUXTiWHwaTieEcCt0lekQdZoyr3Doa24Vf+EEzhDSSq2uUPFLQ4CQnkDkxYBHFBnS NfPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.13.1 with SMTP id eu1mr19806720wjd.131.1435494357819; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.130.3 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:25:57 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout From: Yudi V To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:26:01 -0000 Hi all, My system is a HP MicroServer N40L - more info at > n40l.wikia.com/wiki/HP_MicroServer_N40L_Wiki It has 4 internal HDD bays and an extra internal SATA port and an external eSATA port both of which run at 1.5Gbps SATA speed where as the internal 4 bays run at 3Gbps speed. There are 4 HDD in this server and only the two that are connected to the 1.5Gbps SATA ports throw the below errors. This is present in v9.3 and v10.1 but not in v11 (generally scrubbing throws up a lot of these errors but not in v11). I want to use this as a file server so I dont want to use v11 until it's production ready. The system hangs every few mins and then the following errors get logged. ==================================== ERROR from /var/log/messages ================================= Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 88 00 41 44 00 00 00 00 01 00 Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): CAM status: Command timeout Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): Retrying command Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 0d 30 c0 45 00 00 00 00 01 00 Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: Command timeout Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 51 30 70 45 00 00 00 00 01 00 Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: Command timeout Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command ============================================== I tried the suggestion from https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195349#c30 added hint.ahci.0.msi="1" to /boot/loader.conf but did not fix the issue I even tried rebuilding the kernel but looks like it did not fix the issue. Well, this was my first time building a custom kernel, so I am not sure I got is right. the steps I followed were: I used the LINT config instead of creating my own, # svn checkout svn-mirror/base/head /usr/src # cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf && make LINT # cd /usr/src # make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT # make installkernel KERNCONF=LINT did I get the process right? As this issue disappeared in v11, I am guessing it should be possible to fix it in v10 as well. Any suggestions/pointers on how to fix this bug would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 12:40:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7C98F225 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05CD011C7 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:40:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7EC92542D; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t5SCeLVj002006; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:40:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:40:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Yudi V Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout Message-Id: <20150628144020.e72e3f79.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:40:32 -0000 On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:25:57 +1000, Yudi V wrote: > Hi all, > > My system is a HP MicroServer N40L - more info at > > n40l.wikia.com/wiki/HP_MicroServer_N40L_Wiki > > It has 4 internal HDD bays and an extra internal SATA port and an external > eSATA port both of which run at 1.5Gbps SATA speed where as the internal 4 > bays run at 3Gbps speed. > > There are 4 HDD in this server and only the two that are connected to the > 1.5Gbps SATA ports throw the below errors. This is present in v9.3 and > v10.1 but not in v11 (generally scrubbing throws up a lot of these errors > but not in v11). I want to use this as a file server so I dont want to use > v11 until it's production ready. > > > The system hangs every few mins and then the following errors get logged. > > ==================================== > ERROR from /var/log/messages > ================================= > > Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 88 > 00 41 44 00 00 00 00 01 00 > Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): CAM status: Command > timeout > Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): Retrying command > Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 0d > 30 c0 45 00 00 00 00 01 00 > Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: Command > timeout > Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command > Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 51 > 30 70 45 00 00 00 00 01 00 > Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: Command > timeout > Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command Have you already verified that there are no hardware errors (bad cabling of the cages)? > ============================================== > I tried the suggestion from > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195349#c30 > > added hint.ahci.0.msi="1" to /boot/loader.conf but did not fix the issue This is only effective after a reboot. Have you done that? Have you verified that you applied the setting to the correct ahci device? Check "dmesg | grep ahci" to see if there are more than one controller in the system. > I even tried rebuilding the kernel but looks like it did not fix the issue. > Well, this was my first time building a custom kernel, so I am not sure I > got is right. > > the steps I followed were: > > I used the LINT config instead of creating my own, > > # svn checkout svn-mirror/base/head /usr/src > # cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf && make LINT > # cd /usr/src > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT > # make installkernel KERNCONF=LINT > > did I get the process right? Check the documentation here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/kernelconfig.html A short overview is also present in the comment header of the top level Makefile (/usr/src/Makefile); concentrate on the steps that involve the kernel only. > As this issue disappeared in v11, I am guessing it should be possible to > fix it in v10 as well. > Any suggestions/pointers on how to fix this bug would be greatly > appreciated. Building a custom kernel usually involves starting from a copy of GENERIC (the default kernel), or including it and making changes. However, just building and installing a GENERIC kernel of the non-v11 version probably won't help. The LINT kernel, on the other hand, contains all available options and is being used mostly as a reference of how to include things for a custom kernel. In order to build a custom kernel, you need to know _which difference_ it should implement compared to the GENERIC kernel. "Just building one", as I mentioned, probably will not be of great help. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 13:16:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FC098F73C for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A821151 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-124.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t5SDGjZ2030458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: <558FF3BD.6040102@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:23:00 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:16:54 -0000 On 06/28/15 07:32, Yudi V wrote: > Hi all, > > My system is a HP MicroServer N40L - more info at > > n40l.wikia.com/wiki/HP_MicroServer_N40L_Wiki > > It has 4 internal HDD bays and an extra internal SATA port and an external > eSATA port both of which run at 1.5Gbps SATA speed where as the internal 4 > bays run at 3Gbps speed. > > There are 4 HDD in this server and only the two that are connected to the > 1.5Gbps SATA ports throw the below errors. This is present in v9.3 and > v10.1 but not in v11 (generally scrubbing throws up a lot of these errors > but not in v11). I want to use this as a file server so I dont want to use > v11 until it's production ready. > Sounds like a clue :-). Looks like your external ports are SATA1 & the internal ones are SATA2. I have heard people on other lists suggest *not* mixing different drive speeds (SATA1/2/3) in a RAID/LVM/whatever. If you are doing that, that might be a problem. If the 4 drives are supposed to be 'always there', I would put all 4 internally & use the external ports for backup drives & the like. $0.02, no more, no less .... > The system hangs every few mins and then the following errors get logged. > > ==================================== > ERROR from /var/log/messages > ================================= > > Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 88 > 00 41 44 00 00 00 00 01 00 > Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): CAM status: Command > timeout > Jun 28 21:22:47 10p1test kernel: (ada3:ata0:0:1:0): Retrying command > Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 0d > 30 c0 45 00 00 00 00 01 00 > Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: Command > timeout > Jun 28 21:23:21 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command > Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): READ_DMA. ACB: c8 00 51 > 30 70 45 00 00 00 00 01 00 > Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: Command > timeout > Jun 28 21:40:33 10p1test kernel: (ada2:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command > > ============================================== > I tried the suggestion from > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195349#c30 > > added hint.ahci.0.msi="1" to /boot/loader.conf but did not fix the issue > > I even tried rebuilding the kernel but looks like it did not fix the issue. > Well, this was my first time building a custom kernel, so I am not sure I > got is right. > > the steps I followed were: > > I used the LINT config instead of creating my own, > > # svn checkout svn-mirror/base/head /usr/src > # cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf && make LINT > # cd /usr/src > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT > # make installkernel KERNCONF=LINT > > did I get the process right? > > As this issue disappeared in v11, I am guessing it should be possible to > fix it in v10 as well. > Any suggestions/pointers on how to fix this bug would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Thank you. > -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:05:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366C498FD78 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com (mail-wi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B19311487 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: by wicgi11 with SMTP id gi11so51769023wic.0 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=l2eiUU/zis2B9caLT65QYKy5Qdj1jLiwz7wBd00WLIU=; b=XEVUG/w6jgvyvNTY1xzl/k4CWnSgQ2BNFioSibfnz+eNDw1Np0jlq/ZqBVoVoSyESB nbfphrSniflUdnOa1lPqgWYgE4yYclhxpxT5XcNIsMECAged3nv3O1L7RqWhtUWuH63b tzXjvkvXjEK1jvC2XAC4yJiwqFql2BYuvKUqVX1A9i+GmCB+uVzzFalwQ8KS/QIU+GEI BSSYr1dPp1xLFohgZCCSmvlFSAkWDEpMMmH2j9U5SylgLZaEUmXnsvKznbOGcfFn/q34 Cy4pjX0CXcxZmcSDyr9/wUQNBrRgWSZeAAHR+ebzQtyUsd5Zz4y6dROe08uop+ml38xY MWqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.2.68 with SMTP id 4mr20805023wjs.82.1435500331248; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.101.67 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150628144020.e72e3f79.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20150628144020.e72e3f79.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:05:31 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout From: Yudi V To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:05:33 -0000 > Have you already verified that there are no hardware errors > (bad cabling of the cages) Given that v11 works without any errors, I assumed it has to be a software bug. > > > ============================================== > > I tried the suggestion from > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195349#c30 > > > > added hint.ahci.0.msi="1" to /boot/loader.conf but did not fix the issue > > This is only effective after a reboot. Have you done that? > Have you verified that you applied the setting to the correct > ahci device? Check "dmesg | grep ahci" to see if there are > more than one controller in the system. > > That's a good suggestion, based on the below output of "dmesg | grep ada" I added "hint.atapci.0.msi="0" (also 1) but did not resolve the issue. ============================ random: selecting highest priority adaptor random: selecting highest priority adaptor ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number MK0301YHKT8A2A ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad4 ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number MK0301YHKV1JWD ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada1: Previously was known as ad8 ada2 at ata0 bus 0 scbus4 target 0 lun 0 ada2: ATA-7 SATA 1.x device ada2: Serial Number S0ZAJD0P700140 ada2: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada2: 76319MB (156301488 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada2: Previously was known as ad0 ada3 at ata0 bus 0 scbus4 target 1 lun 0 ada3: ATA-7 SATA 1.x device ada3: Serial Number S0ZAJD0P700102 ada3: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada3: 76319MB (156301488 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada3: Previously was known as ad1 =============================== > > > In order to build a custom kernel, you need to know _which > difference_ it should implement compared to the GENERIC > kernel. "Just building one", as I mentioned, probably will > not be of great help. > I thought downloading the latest source files with the patch should be enough to include the patch, I am guessing that was incorrect thinking. so how to make sure I include the patch? I will reread the docs and try rebuilding the kernel again. Thanks for the detailed response. Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:08:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84D598FDB3 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53A921599 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: by wgck11 with SMTP id k11so121842070wgc.0 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mvAnNsa+QV4pNtQqkA/CxyhrFuVvTfjgpV2bH1bDsmo=; b=0vDii4C4zDAZ7PSQWpfMe/WIbjUJYIhLIwT03OvbG6oqdlYhjkSc0J8RMTqJipyVS7 3vmUWmWx4LX02IO2Lfl7nJlv+ptqExc0H2QqkNWbYPIafC6rLH8LbpUmK03hohUViTVU f7ji2WIDUkS63DOvOmho/3Ag62o6LpFQk1BmEc2DGVFHxAq+2JaBWwqA4+xTtH/ubjHX efTtQORYakTsTcAO+I6qUjytS9n8li5FTZBJLfR6KW1R+1zXCtqTupK+rVQlQ0SBNgIk DNB2kWHB1VJP+GjZVGhNrDn37cUSKU6T2lm2hVogWDYwK96alp0E+BnWjj7qN74PZKMb VgEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.230.199 with SMTP id ta7mr5939212wic.1.1435500479909; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.101.67 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:07:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <558FF3BD.6040102@hiwaay.net> References: <558FF3BD.6040102@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:07:59 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout From: Yudi V To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:08:01 -0000 Sounds like a clue :-). Looks like your external ports are SATA1 & the internal ones are SATA2. I have heard people on other lists suggest *not* mixing different drive speeds (SATA1/2/3) in a RAID/LVM/whatever. If you are doing that, that might be a problem. If the 4 drives are supposed to be 'always there', I would put all 4 internally & use the external ports for backup drives & the like. $0.02, no more, no less .... I did not mix the drives/ports, the internal 4 bays are for data drives and the two sata1 ports are for the OS drives (2-way mirror). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:23:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4360F98F0D7 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 064131140 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FE113CDC8; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t5SENfIO002307; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Yudi V Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout Message-Id: <20150628162341.13473f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20150628144020.e72e3f79.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:23:51 -0000 On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:05:31 +1000, Yudi V wrote: > > Have you already verified that there are no hardware errors > > (bad cabling of the cages) > > > Given that v11 works without any errors, I assumed it has to be a software > bug. I just mentioned it because SATA sometimes shows the "funniest" errors due to a minimally misaligned plug. :-) > > > ============================================== > > > I tried the suggestion from > > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195349#c30 > > > > > > added hint.ahci.0.msi="1" to /boot/loader.conf but did not fix the issue > > > > This is only effective after a reboot. Have you done that? > > Have you verified that you applied the setting to the correct > > ahci device? Check "dmesg | grep ahci" to see if there are > > more than one controller in the system. > > > That's a good suggestion, based on the below output of "dmesg | grep ada" > I added "hint.atapci.0.msi="0" (also 1) but did not resolve the issue. The output of dmesg indicates that the drives are of different speed capabilities (2 x 300MB/s, 2 x 150MB/s). Are those the four ones that occupy the 4 cages (and are probably connected to the same controller)? If you check "dmesg | grep ahci" you can see which controllers are available. Using "camcontrol devlist" you can examine how the drives are connected to the available buses. > > In order to build a custom kernel, you need to know _which > > difference_ it should implement compared to the GENERIC > > kernel. "Just building one", as I mentioned, probably will > > not be of great help. > > > > I thought downloading the latest source files with the patch should be > enough to include the patch, I am guessing that was incorrect thinking. If you download the latest sources, you're trying to install a v11 kernel on a v10 system (which might or might not work). The patch, as far as I understand, applies to v11 (and might or might not work with v10). Kernel and world need to be in sync to work properly. > so how to make sure I include the patch? Download it and apply it using the "patch" command, for example "patch < /tmp/the-patch-file". > I will reread the docs and try rebuilding the kernel again. If you have confirmed that v11 works for you, why not use the current snapshot? It already seems quite stable... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:24:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E65298F0E9 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 508021192 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9DUy-0003zo-Sy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:56 +0200 Received: from 5e1bbc5d.mobile.pool.telekom.hu ([94.27.188.93]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:56 +0200 Received: from leventelist by 5e1bbc5d.mobile.pool.telekom.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Lev Subject: Re: security patch vs. binary upgrade Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:47 +0200 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <20150628162347.354c348a@jive> References: <20150621124345.1a09b8f6@jive> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5e1bbc5d.mobile.pool.telekom.hu X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:24:01 -0000 T2theSwgYW5vdGhlciBxdWVzdGlvbiBvbiB0aGlzIHRvcGljLg0KDQpUYWtlIHRoZSBzaXR1YXRp b24gdGhhdCBJIHVwZ3JhZGUgbXkgYmFzZSBzeXN0ZW0gZm9yIHRoZSBuZXh0IG1ham9yIHJlbGVh c2UuDQpXaGF0IGlzIGdvaW5nIHRvIGhhcHBlbiB3aXRoIGFsbCB0aGUgb3RoZXIgcG9ydHM/IE11 c3QgSSByZWluc3RhbGwgbGl0ZXJhbGx5DQpldmVyeXRoaW5nPyBUaGlzIG1lYW5zIEkgbXVzdCBy ZWNvbXBpbGUgYWxsIHRoZSBzb3VyY2UgcG9ydHMsIGFuZCByZWluc3RhbGwNCmFsbCB0aGUgYmlu YXJ5IHBhY2thZ2VzPw0KDQpJcyB0aGVyZSBhbnkgdG9vbCBmb3IgdGhpcz8NCg0KQnR3Li4uIGhv dyBjYW4gSSB1cGRhdGUgdGhlIHNvdXJjZSBwb3J0IHRyZWU/DQoNClRoYW5rcywNCi0tIA0KNzMg ZGUgSEE1T0dMDQpPcC46IExldmVudGUNCg== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 13:36:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361F098F9B2; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexl@mellanox.com) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3on0068.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.55.234.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72EB11A4F; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexl@mellanox.com) Received: from AM3PR05MB529.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.243.155) by AM3PR05MB433.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.246.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.201.16; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:36:16 +0000 Received: from AM3PR05MB529.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.242.243.155]) by AM3PR05MB529.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.242.243.155]) with mapi id 15.01.0195.005; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:36:17 +0000 From: Alex Liptsin To: "'freebsd-net@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" CC: Oded Shanoon , Meny Yossefi , Talat Batheesh , Eldad Zarka Subject: Is it possible to set VLAN-QOS/Priority? Thread-Topic: Is it possible to set VLAN-QOS/Priority? 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Is it possible to configure VLAN priority on FreeBSD10-STABLE or FreeBSD11= -CURRENT? Thanks. Alex Liptsin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:31:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C7398F2D2 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:31:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C868F188D for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-124.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t5SEVs6a029647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 09:31:55 -0500 Message-ID: <5590055A.7090701@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 09:38:09 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout References: <20150628144020.e72e3f79.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150628162341.13473f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150628162341.13473f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:31:57 -0000 On 06/28/15 09:29, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:05:31 +1000, Yudi V wrote: >>> Have you already verified that there are no hardware errors >>> (bad cabling of the cages) >> >> Given that v11 works without any errors, I assumed it has to be a software >> bug. > I just mentioned it because SATA sometimes shows the > "funniest" errors due to a minimally misaligned plug. :-) *Especially* eSATA, & he mentioned he has 1 SATA1 eSATA drive & 1 SATA1 internal SATA drive mirrored in his other reply .... -- William A. 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Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:39:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816198F326 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15ED21A88 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC2BA3CDDB; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:39:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t5SEdfZA002368; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:39:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:39:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: security patch vs. binary upgrade Message-Id: <20150628163941.dbd85ae4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150628162347.354c348a@jive> References: <20150621124345.1a09b8f6@jive> <20150628162347.354c348a@jive> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:39:44 -0000 On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:23:47 +0200, Lev wrote: > Take the situation that I upgrade my base system for the next major release. > What is going to happen with all the other ports? Must I reinstall literally > everything? This means I must recompile all the source ports, and reinstall > all the binary packages? No. Basically you can install the backwards compatibility port(s), for example compat9x-amd64 or compat8x-i386), depending on what version you come from. In this case, installed ports can be kept using. But pay attention: Adding new software to this construct may cause major problems (library mismatches are the typical ones). It's recommended to reinstall your ports when you change the FreeBSD major version (8 -> 9, 9 -> 10, 10 -> 11). You can do this with pkg if you want to use the precompiled binary packages, or the classic ports collection (with tools like portmaster or simple "make install"). If you're going to combine both methods, have a look at Poudriere. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-poudriere.html > Is there any tool for this? Yes, portmaster can do this. See "man portmaster" and find an example for exactly this case in the EXAMPLES section. Some admins suggest making a list of your "main ports" and then use that list for reinstallation, instead of taking the risk of installing something (as a dependency) which is no longer needed just because it's on that list. Your "main ports" list should contain the software you're actually intending to use ("top level"), as the system will find out any needed (!) dependency on its own and install it. If you want to perform this task cleanly, there's also the suggestion to remove /usr/local entirely (after having copied any needed configuration of course!) and re-instantiate it using mtree, and removing the package database, then finally perform the reinstallation. However I don't know if pkg (in comparison to old pkg_* tools) likes that approach. :-) > Btw... how can I update the source port tree? With freebsd-update (make sure "Component src" is listed in /etc/freebsd-updarte.conf) or via SVN. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html You can also use SVN for source checkout: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/svn.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 14:46:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CDD98F46A for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A801E16 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: by wiwl6 with SMTP id l6so79360550wiw.0 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MdvU3PDujcBSwPn2inJxEGGQcrzbFgnUa2CF8xcP/F4=; b=jrer1e+P74hksMwOYP7y2AQovK+cmQFDdb0xvByHc3bxOtAuRHYpJuyRkgJqkJV9Oh vlrtfGgNp3ixioMPL+lOSQ4xW9la4M9VzFWaZSRzETiZDNBICP/56hBZdVoA/z2VhRtN TPnxukoR6nLeswv4e4bSzXdyFQRwOsq6OdUzWYFb+46bWs/Sra3a1fEyavNPmMhgQaKf 2tLmL9lMQ6RZNNeRQSfLmmXM6kkwxAuAKnPmHwU9twQ/ZdtccxzIPgcqHeaT4e0uJeBw wKnVW0/izYK8bkJZHsOO/ZeaYOwXFmKYJvZ993TQ3gsfRfA6KHWWMGYMu83LFPJ0ThDq AtcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.106.137 with SMTP id gu9mr14677607wib.54.1435502763621; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.101.67 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150628162341.13473f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20150628144020.e72e3f79.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150628162341.13473f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:46:03 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Help fixing a bug; HP MicroServer N40L; CAM status: Command timeout From: Yudi V To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:46:06 -0000 > The output of dmesg indicates that the drives are of different > speed capabilities (2 x 300MB/s, 2 x 150MB/s). Are those the > four ones that occupy the 4 cages (and are probably connected > to the same controller)? > 4-bay cage has the 2 Hitachi drives (ada1 and ada0 holds just data in a 2-way mirror on a separate pool) that are on the 3Gbps link and once I sort out this issue I am going to add two more drives to this pool. and the Samsung drives (ada2 and ada3 are on the internal sata port and the eSata link @ 1.5Gbps link in IDE mode) have the OS (again 2-way mirror on a separate pool) > > If you check "dmesg | grep ahci" you can see which controllers > are available. Using "camcontrol devlist" you can examine how > the drives are connected to the available buses. > > output of "dmesg | grep ahci" > ============================= > ahci0: port > 0xd000-0xd007,0xc000-0xc003,0xb000-0xb007,0xa000-0xa003,0x9000-0x900f mem > 0xfe6ffc00-0xfe6fffff irq 19 at device 17.0 on pci0 > ahci0: AHCI v1.20 with 4 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported > ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 > ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 > ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 > ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 > ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 > ====================================== output of "camcontrol devlist" =================================== at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (ada0,pass0) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (ada1,pass1) at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (ada2,pass2) at scbus4 target 1 lun 0 (ada3,pass3) ====================================================== > > > > so how to make sure I include the patch? > > Download it and apply it using the "patch" command, for > example "patch < /tmp/the-patch-file". > I will try this and post back later. > > > > I will reread the docs and try rebuilding the kernel again. > > If you have confirmed that v11 works for you, why not use the > current snapshot? It already seems quite stable... > confirmed v11 does not have this issue, I installed it on the same system in a different dataset and it works fine but I am not brave enough to run a developmental version on a file server. I am struggling to fix a single bug and imagine the grief I will have to face if I encounter an issue with v11. -- Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 15:45:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322B598FFC6 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A751A2A for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local ([192.168.100.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t5SFjcPP077649 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:45:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t5SFjcPP077649 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t5SFjcPP077649; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host [192.168.100.2] claimed to be liminal.local Message-ID: <5590169B.2070805@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:45:31 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: security patch vs. binary upgrade References: <20150621124345.1a09b8f6@jive> <20150628162347.354c348a@jive> <20150628163941.dbd85ae4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150628163941.dbd85ae4.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jJOuA62IPEgF3dNJn6JvtHioQtucu1hgG" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:45:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jJOuA62IPEgF3dNJn6JvtHioQtucu1hgG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/06/2015 15:39, Polytropon wrote: > there's also the suggestion > to remove /usr/local entirely (after having copied any needed > configuration of course!) and re-instantiate it using mtree, > and removing the package database, then finally perform the > reinstallation. However I don't know if pkg (in comparison > to old pkg_* tools) likes that approach. :-) Works fine with pkg(8) so long as you tell pkg that all the ports have been deleted when you nuke /usr/local. Which boils down to either: a) use pkg(8) to delete everything: pkg delete -a (which will actually delete everything except pkg(8) itself. You may need to 'pkg unlock' stuff beforehand though.) Do this before nuking /usr/local. b) move aside your old package database, and start again with a fresh one. You can do this before or after nuking /usr/local: cd /var/db/pkg mv local.sqlite local.sqlite.old Then after cleaning out /usr/local: pkg bootstrap -f and proceed with installing whatever ports you want. Oh, and make sure you keep a backup of /usr/local/etc somewhere, as you'll inevitably want to reinstate some of the config files from there. 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[98.212.131.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u35sm26131514iou.7.2015.06.28.13.33.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55905A0A.1070600@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:33:14 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Dual booting plus Hyper-V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 20:33:29 -0000 After many years, I'm thinking of turning my beastie into a gaming box plus home server. It's overpowered for my current use. I'm not sure wine's up to the task for hassle free gaming. I think the easiest thing would be running Windows on it's own hard drive with FreeBSD running in Hyper-V. I'd get a dedicated windows disk as well as the BSD disks. I'd like to dual boot(probably bios for simplicity), but have BSD work seamlessly between booting directly and working inside hyper-v with the integration tools. The system is all ZFS on GPT at the moment. Is this practical or is are there other alternatives to consider? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 21:10:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A970198FD30 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [IPv6:2001:7c0:407:1001:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 690DF18AB for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1Z9Jq2-0001Su-2Z; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:10:06 +0200 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5SKawh4028751 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:36:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t5SKaw4b028750 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:36:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Sendmail: SMTP auth and smart host? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 20:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 110 Message-ID: X-Trace: lorvorc.mips.inka.de 1435523818 28164 ::1 (28 Jun 2015 20:36:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mips.inka.de User-Agent: slrn/1.0.2 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:09 -0000 I'm trying to add a very standard piece of configuration to my sendmail setup: Send all mail to a smart host and use SMTP client authentication for talking to the smart host. There are many examples, howtos, tutorials, etc. about this all over the net, e.g. https://www.dnsexit.com/support/mailrelay/sendmail.html Define the smart host, set the authentication information in the access database, and sendmail will automagically use it for SMTP AUTH. Alas, the magic doesn't happen: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... 220 lorvorc.mips.inka.de ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.9/8.14.9; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:01:07 +0200 (CEST) >>> EHLO lorvorc.mips.inka.de 250-lorvorc.mips.inka.de Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-PIPELINING 250-EXPN 250-VERB 250-8BITMIME 250-SIZE 250-DSN 250-ETRN 250-DELIVERBY 250 HELP >>> VERB 250 2.0.0 Verbose mode >>> MAIL From: SIZE=27 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok >>> RCPT To: >>> DATA 250 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >>> . 050 ... Connecting to mail.inka.de. via relay... 050 220 mail.inka.de ESMTP Exim - mail ready at Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:01:07 +0200 050 >>> EHLO lorvorc.mips.inka.de 050 250-mail.inka.de Hello dslb-188-104-157-230.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de [188.104.157.230] 050 250-SIZE 67108864 050 250-8BITMIME 050 250-PIPELINING 050 250-STARTTLS 050 250 HELP 050 >>> STARTTLS 050 220 TLS go ahead 050 >>> EHLO lorvorc.mips.inka.de 050 250-mail.inka.de Hello dslb-188-104-157-230.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de [188.104.157.230] 050 250-SIZE 67108864 050 250-8BITMIME 050 250-PIPELINING 050 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN 050 250 HELP 050 >>> MAIL From: SIZE=382 050 250 OK 050 >>> RCPT To: 050 >>> DATA 050 550 relay not permitted 050 503-All RCPT commands were rejected with this error: 050 503-relay not permitted 050 503 Valid RCPT command must precede DATA 050 >>> RSET 050 250 Reset OK 050 ... Connecting to local... 050 ... Sent 250 2.0.0 t5SK17H8027901 Message accepted for delivery naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de... Sent (t5SK17H8027901 Message accepted for delivery) Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >>> QUIT 221 2.0.0 lorvorc.mips.inka.de closing connection ------------------------------------------------------------------------ As the -v output shows, sendmail simply never attempts to use client authentication. _Something_ must be wrong or missing, but I don't see it. sendmail.mc: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OSTYPE(freebsd6) MASQUERADE_AS(`mips.inka.de') FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains) FEATURE(access_db) FEATURE(allmasquerade) FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) FEATURE(local_procmail) FEATURE(use_cw_file) define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/mail/aliases,-o /etc/mail/aliases.newsgate') define(`LUSER_RELAY', `local:dev-null') define(`SMART_HOST', `[mail.inka.de]') define(`UUCP_MAILER_MAX', 0) DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv4, Family=inet') DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6') MAILER(local) MAILER(smtp) MAILER(../../../../local/share/sendmail/bsmtp) MAILER(uucp) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ access database: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AuthInfo:mail.inka.de "U:xxxx" "I:xxxx" "P:yyyy" "M:PLAIN" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Meanwhile I'm sending this by UUCP... because it works.) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 21:12:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036BD98FE57 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81A231B71 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: by lacny3 with SMTP id ny3so104553682lac.3 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qTUy25YLP3gR18Rojo7MirIRDFcudaJt6DFKXOtG23w=; b=EGRhfQ5Fyj50u5XHahedEbGt30oJrorfVDtG4Y0BwzEQj1rajZCxHti5UPkrdseaFk RKlQ47tlXeRxGbXjTi89Hg2/bnMB+3+S/YYdUASoMVs9/JXxZb1/j5SrwTBWTKZMh2X7 8WYO2wMcdmbnOXd0AKAGL/tJvC8v2SFV52nVYjmHCUFCshk0QIpuFodiVqT4In/NJQKD bcwk8eZ+2Czu89BtyWSikSyY8OeNcRdZ3RW98012Ai9NxlKHQO91uaQQ+sJcCcwdtr0H LUVgAB6Axyg7Z63jwssW2Gu0Tk0UYPzJlHDiuvIjhqo7PBxTfEetFIMu7oW9VCGq1kq7 I1dw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.219.70 with SMTP id pm6mr10862465lbc.41.1435525928518; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.42.146 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> References: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:12:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT From: Chris Stankevitz To: Quartz Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:12:11 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Quartz wrote: > First off, you should double check what's going on with your layout. Thank you for your help. I have four 11-drive raidz3 pools that, in a prior life, lived in FreeNAS. Of course, being in FreeNAS, they were gpart-ed to have two parititons (one for zfs, one for swap). I took these 4 groups of 11-drives over to my FreeBSD box. For each group of 11 drives I: gpart destroy -F /dev/da0 gpart destroy -F /dev/da1 ... gpart destroy -F /dev/da10 zpool create poolname raidz3 /dev/da0 /dev/da1 ... /dev/da10 Unfortunately on one of the 11 groups I forgot to perform the "gpart destroy" step. I did perform the "zpool create" step. This is the group of drives that triggers the dmesg "the primary GPT table is corrupt or invalid" and "using the secondary instead -- recovery strongly advised." >> I suppose I could offline and >> resilver each of them. > > > Simply resilvering is not guaranteed to fix the problem I agree. What I means to say was "offline the drive, dd if=/dev/zero the drive, then resilver it. >> I'm afraid to dd the secondary GPT header at >> the last 512 bytes of the drive. Perhaps there is a way I can ask ZFS >> to do that for me? > > > Zfs doesn't mess with gpt directly like that, so no. If you don't want to What I meant here was to say "Perhaps I can politely ask ZFS 'hey if you are not using the last 512 bytes of these devices, would you mind just filling that with zeros?'". I would feel more comfortable if there was a command like that offered by ZFS rather than me just using dd and hoping it doesn't interfere with ZFS. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 21:17:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1846698FF02 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95F701CDC for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: by lagh6 with SMTP id h6so32979715lag.2 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:17:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+dKaBiAgrP46eqkABpW7qbJ02SBjGL6dt3Wx9dhjEcI=; b=dwdHseMrRpxoYw7fT8m9afyZDUOlIQwtltOB8s25dBpvBFxZJ19LQfLyvq6nw3M9Qh hFNH4coxI2YoIynSCjMdXYoHtcWJnkxHpmN+KY6LZVAEoPmcjlPOce+RS6B7ECZQcXRW u0AIe5hBFBoRM9W+LyDlFDKax3o1ipXppCiEni7vF/bkPU1/x70j/FbIZs7uAaDKou5p rXETV2LfGc8pSYDZ0fLVedlumzgkVGLc+cG5GKqlVWyAW0Lyjpmy5lsnLmIP/jJVtNwe 8KkmhcVenlOnisoNM1lR4y7ObjWjPE6cPt9jG0hlvEFfaGTRcQJZZgPtYwlzkIlfpnUC grCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.153.8.171 with SMTP id dl11mr11383782lad.77.1435526222769; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.42.146 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:17:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:17:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT From: Chris Stankevitz To: Warren Block Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:17:05 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Erasing just the last block would probably be enough. Still, the only > reason to be afraid of it is if you do not have a full backup. And if you > don't have a full backup, that is the first thing to do. Warren, Thank you. I do indeed have backups so perhaps I shouldn't be afraid to just experiment... especially if I experiment only on one of my raidz3 drives. Do I need to export the pool before using dd on the raw device? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 22:07:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B04A98F68F; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alfred@freebsd.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:b76::196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D807146E; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alfred@freebsd.org) Received: from AlfredMacbookAir.local (unknown [IPv6:2601:645:8004:7515:71f4:40c9:638:a9e6]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CE10341F841; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55907037.30204@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:07:51 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein Organization: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: koobs@FreeBSD.org, David Naylor , freebsd-python@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simplifying lang/pypy(3) References: <1778458.ppUHDKsiRe@dragon.local> <558FAB30.30802@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <558FAB30.30802@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:07:56 -0000 On 6/28/15 1:07 AM, Kubilay Kocak wrote: > On 27/06/2015 9:16 PM, David Naylor wrote: >> Hi, >> >> lang/pypy was originally set up to achieve: >> >> * building of multiple pypy instances based on different setting (i.e. with >> or without jit, sandboxing, etc). The port user could define any permutation >> she desires. >> >> * Install in a directory layout more similar to lang/python (i.e. libraries >> in lib/, include files in include/). >> >> I plan to simplify the port by removing the multi-instance support and using >> the default directory layout of the port. This will fix issues with >> virtualenv and reduce the learning curve of using/maintaining the port. >> >> To this end does anyone: >> >> a) use the multi-instance support? >> >> b) depend on the current directory layout? >> >> Based on feedback I will adapt my plans to simplify. >> >> Regards >> > Thanks for opening up the question to the list David > > My vote (without my python hat on) would be for lang/pypy being as close > to the upstream experience (freebsd improvements not withstanding) as > the possibly by default as that would be my expectation as a user > knowing nothing else. > > From there work on additions or extensions, possibly as extra (slave) > ports or something similar > +1 Thanks Koobs & David! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 22:10:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DA898F6F9 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68BB61665 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E3173F6E8 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559070CC.8040105@sneakertech.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:10:20 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:10:22 -0000 > Unfortunately on one of the 11 groups I forgot to perform the "gpart > destroy" step. OK, well you should still get a readout of all the gpt stuff off the disks just to make sure you're not doing something elsewhere that actually needs gpt (like labels or something). In this case though you can compare the 'good' drives to the 'bad' drives. > What I means to say was "offline the drive, dd if=/dev/zero > the drive, then resilver it. > Do I need to export the pool before using dd on the > raw device? Given that this is a raidz3 and you're just going to dd nuke a single drive, then no. Just offline the drive first so the pool's not trying to use it. Exporting a pool completely shuts it down and packages everything up in a machine-independent way so it can be physically moved to a new box, but that's overkill for your situation. (Also, I'm not 100% sure what zfs does when you try to import a pool with one drive "missing"). > What I meant here was to say "Perhaps I can politely ask ZFS 'hey if > you are not using the last 512 bytes of these devices, would you mind > just filling that with zeros?'". I would feel more comfortable if > there was a command like that offered by ZFS rather than me just using > dd and hoping it doesn't interfere with ZFS. I *think* that zfs is like other file system partitioning schemes in that it just writes from the beginning of the drive and doesn't care about the end until it gets there... however don't quote me on it. Again though, you could always offline the drive, dd the end, then reattach it and do a scrub or something. If you end up blowing away something zfs needs, it won't stay silent about it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 28 23:06:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7FA98FF2B for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D93A1C0A for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5SN6KF2063065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t5SN6KKV063062; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Chris Stankevitz cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:06:22 -0000 On Sun, 28 Jun 2015, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> Erasing just the last block would probably be enough. Still, the only >> reason to be afraid of it is if you do not have a full backup. And if you >> don't have a full backup, that is the first thing to do. > > Warren, > > Thank you. I do indeed have backups so perhaps I shouldn't be afraid > to just experiment... especially if I experiment only on one of my > raidz3 drives. Do I need to export the pool before using dd on the > raw device? It depends on how confident you are in those backups. Remember, ZFS leaves space unused at the end of a disk to allow for variations in nominal disk size. Overwriting even just the last block will destroy the backup GPT header without touching any ZFS data. In theory, anyway, which is why you have backups. ZFS ought to notice if there was any problem during the next zpool scrub. So do one drive, do a scrub, and if red lights don't start flashing and an urgent resilver does not start... it's good. But still, keep good backups. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 00:46:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BD698FEC8 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1ED212F2 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@gmail.com) Received: by lagh6 with SMTP id h6so35498072lag.2 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:46:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lHwfCFVtIKbtIShJ4daCK3pzsD1uNNa3+1GX4mFQ6wY=; b=Su/iQWfyBDW9DrFctabOTudTOsD/m03083WHEeqxfM1hR9VN8nRP52muDVl5l9l7tc z/CHAkKopOi97xEOrk/BZPoiDGlrkAq1M4lyDvEXH8VdKCDI2z4BIm1j6T0ydxeVHblz /OlGf7J47PzJ7oiQ5rSXWxy5FdxNtHD1Ti7uvFQodsdqG27x9gOsK1uVRZu69SzezCpI sCo6Wp5pBmRa5jWxKdA1kOIv6PSpv+pPzfosCBJeVayYh2tYCo234jPo/hTGEWNv2gx7 4Dy3v6ih0VKGBelvckDnl30JBZXFb+BtJG74xBERv/OXmJluQcENiKuOuFKJdKHFuGYa dR8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.37.196 with SMTP id a4mr11780183lak.59.1435538791343; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.42.146 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:46:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150628232208.GA69625@neutralgood.org> References: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> <559070CC.8040105@sneakertech.com> <20150628232208.GA69625@neutralgood.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:46:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT From: Chris Stankevitz To: kpneal@pobox.com Cc: Quartz , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:46:34 -0000 On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > I'm not sure if offlining the disk you are touching will make any difference. > It may just make recovery more complicated. If it was me I'd just zero the > last block without the offline/online dance. Kevin, Thank you. Can I use dd on a /dev/daX that is currently part of an imported, mounted, and online zpool? Also, if anyone can answer this question more generally, I'd appreciate it: are there times (other than r-x) when I do not have permission/ability to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/daX? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 02:04:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF5898C963 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68E88108E for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 695303F708; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5590A7AE.9040303@sneakertech.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:04:30 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block , Chris Stankevitz CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:04:37 -0000 > Remember, ZFS > leaves space unused at the end of a disk to allow for variations in > nominal disk size. Holy what the heck, no it doesn't! One big issue with zfs is that you CANNOT shrink a pool's size once it's been created, for any reason. You can't remove vdevs, and any replacement disk must bigger or exactly equal in size; even a disk with one less sector and you're SOL. This is my biggest gripe with zfs by far and in fact I just asked freebsd-fs about this less than a week ago wondering if it had been addressed finally (it hasn't). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 02:29:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B616F98CCF1 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 950611B09 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5726C3F6D2; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5590AD8C.7030904@sneakertech.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:29:32 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Stankevitz CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: <558F99B6.2080205@sneakertech.com> <559070CC.8040105@sneakertech.com> <20150628232208.GA69625@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20150628232208.GA69625@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:29:34 -0000 > When making changes like dd'ing the end of a disk be sure to do a scrub > after touching _only_ _one_ disk. I suggest doing scrubs until you get a > clean one. Then move on to the next disk, doing the write/scrub steps on > each disk in turn. This is good advice. > It may just make recovery more complicated. If it was me I'd just zero the > last block without the offline/online dance. ... but I'm not sure that is. >Can I use dd on a /dev/daX that is currently part of an > imported, mounted, and online zpool? There's nothing technically stopping you, but screwing with it "live" is not a great idea. At the least, if zfs IS using those blocks or otherwise notices, it will consider the drive to be throwing errors and mark it as failing, so you'll have to deal with the issue anyway. Honestly though, this whole thread is really better suited for freebsd-fs rather than freebsd-questions. You'll probably get better answers there. >Also, if anyone can answer this > question more generally, I'd appreciate it: are there times (other > than r-x) when I do not have permission/ability to dd if=/dev/zero > of=/dev/daX? It can happen. I've bumped into that once when a dvd was improperly cloned onto a usb drive and it got stuck in a weird read-only mode and I had to jump through a couple hoops to erase it (this wasn't freebsd though). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 06:50:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF07398E58D for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.heidotting@web.de) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.web.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62C871175 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.heidotting@web.de) Received: from vm1.naber.dom ([212.185.81.140]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lfzwp-1YhXfv3rzv-00pcEE; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:25:45 +0200 Received: from vm1.naber.dom (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vm1.naber.dom (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5T6PhBN001628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:25:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bhd@vm1.naber.dom) Received: (from bhd@localhost) by vm1.naber.dom (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t5T6Pe4n001627; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:25:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bhd) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:25:40 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Heidotting To: naddy@mips.inka.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail: SMTP auth and smart host? Message-ID: <20150629062540.GA1359@fbsdvm1.naber.dom> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:IrMq5DE1E/NwWyUH4BTBuhuyfG6ltQ/9Q7mP4R3G0ZfmOqXGQXW g8rLoXhhVbglTMn8T4J0l8+t1diiXJRWlkTqRAebFos5mtBBRDjVAxqCJqpsRjfx8lxXvxl gv9+sLFn1ztxAq/5aMRW0XBsXjIus/4z5V8lrlt+GEfBkM1OjsLJAbfAqYzgAjnACZ+wrS7 DfrFy5n2fkrct29dTBtWw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:K4H4evF+ySo=:tmOPOO5fucgyHk5VcJH87m Sb+/YGby+Wn2RbjqBnceWDMdGAA1imnewfM8rH5E0YGF8jCOoRsTFcbFlds6uBfFPB4jFDqT7 DtG/i21Grf/hHh7XHjpdKrcQxZhHAnGYUjhtU+a3swcZ2PbqKtqoE0e14uE9khiLHNsS6bO6q FzKiEZI7HiA316B6ioEn3nyVMjpc0beYGeUeoR1seoWbuBr8O6GqkjJAnzf/4TD0hME/dMqNx ApuViDxyYA4WVsqu9QZiT0Hci7S3Ee5NsDGRnSWJ0z8U4FF5iGu3+SMYlZ3fRtPzRHQU3+YNV mfXWb1tuUQ4H0oe419IlFz0SWY4r9OCg4Zi+ZBF0yODUFnQl+9Ig8HF67fYjxrO+OzkNohsLE e1rQlIwbeGWxH+6J77PmrFDOjwuVmRmDItMsHruX4J5h0B2n84n2tllzRB/7dgbezt/6+hF2P cfjb6VJHW0xE//MncArY+dd/gY0byA5n/ex+Gwv943uxcYqt/XsRzdkT2ccQnUlbPedx0Is+N mHVIIvUuMRjCKfL5CSaiVJ7EskyFg8XZSP8OTngmWyeIkp+w9vStuhaN98d0v0lOMMkDXIyLd jikZeP0tPB2hgadI0KiDmk7jeuwr4Vfy4GjbCle87O46Jdzd80h3neGUj+3GM/r8gJ3sIbbpn tYUST/bTNfWVO5Bl6MwKa4qRrJAN6FCdT5O7Sb6nfNNsMkg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:50:36 -0000 Do you have support for SMTP-AUTH compiled into sendmail? Check with: sendmail -d0.1 -bv postmaster | grep -i sasl I also have the following in my .mc file: FEATURE(`authinfo', `hash /etc/mail/auth/client-info')dnl Regards, Bj=F6rn Heidotting On Sun, 28. Jun 20:36, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I'm trying to add a very standard piece of configuration to my sendmail > setup: Send all mail to a smart host and use SMTP client authentication > for talking to the smart host. >=20 > There are many examples, howtos, tutorials, etc. about this all over the > net, e.g. > https://www.dnsexit.com/support/mailrelay/sendmail.html >=20 > Define the smart host, set the authentication information in the > access database, and sendmail will automagically use it for SMTP > AUTH. >=20 > Alas, the magic doesn't happen: >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... > 220 lorvorc.mips.inka.de ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.9/8.14.9; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 2= 2:01:07 +0200 (CEST) > >>> EHLO lorvorc.mips.inka.de > 250-lorvorc.mips.inka.de Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-PIPELINING > 250-EXPN > 250-VERB > 250-8BITMIME > 250-SIZE > 250-DSN > 250-ETRN > 250-DELIVERBY > 250 HELP > >>> VERB > 250 2.0.0 Verbose mode > >>> MAIL From: SIZE=3D27 > 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok > >>> RCPT To: > >>> DATA > 250 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok > 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself > >>> . > 050 ... Connecting to mail.inka.de. via relay... > 050 220 mail.inka.de ESMTP Exim - mail ready at Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:01:07= +0200 > 050 >>> EHLO lorvorc.mips.inka.de > 050 250-mail.inka.de Hello dslb-188-104-157-230.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip= =2Ede [188.104.157.230] > 050 250-SIZE 67108864 > 050 250-8BITMIME > 050 250-PIPELINING > 050 250-STARTTLS > 050 250 HELP > 050 >>> STARTTLS > 050 220 TLS go ahead > 050 >>> EHLO lorvorc.mips.inka.de > 050 250-mail.inka.de Hello dslb-188-104-157-230.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip= =2Ede [188.104.157.230] > 050 250-SIZE 67108864 > 050 250-8BITMIME > 050 250-PIPELINING > 050 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN > 050 250 HELP > 050 >>> MAIL From: SIZE=3D382 > 050 250 OK > 050 >>> RCPT To: > 050 >>> DATA > 050 550 relay not permitted > 050 503-All RCPT commands were rejected with this error: > 050 503-relay not permitted > 050 503 Valid RCPT command must precede DATA > 050 >>> RSET > 050 250 Reset OK > 050 ... Connecting to local... > 050 ... Sent > 250 2.0.0 t5SK17H8027901 Message accepted for delivery > naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de... Sent (t5SK17H8027901 Message accepted for deli= very) > Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] > >>> QUIT > 221 2.0.0 lorvorc.mips.inka.de closing connection > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > As the -v output shows, sendmail simply never attempts to use client > authentication. _Something_ must be wrong or missing, but I don't > see it. >=20 > sendmail.mc: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OSTYPE(freebsd6) > MASQUERADE_AS(`mips.inka.de') > FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains) > FEATURE(access_db) > FEATURE(allmasquerade) > FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) > FEATURE(local_procmail) > FEATURE(use_cw_file) > define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/mail/aliases,-o /etc/mail/aliases.newsgate') > define(`LUSER_RELAY', `local:dev-null') > define(`SMART_HOST', `[mail.inka.de]') > define(`UUCP_MAILER_MAX', 0) > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=3DIPv4, Family=3Dinet') > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=3DIPv6, Family=3Dinet6') > MAILER(local) > MAILER(smtp) > MAILER(../../../../local/share/sendmail/bsmtp) > MAILER(uucp) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > access database: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AuthInfo:mail.inka.de "U:xxxx" "I:xxxx" "P:yyyy" "M:PLAIN" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 >=20 > (Meanwhile I'm sending this by UUCP... because it works.) > --=20 > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 07:25:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22B398F053 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8874B18FC for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEC4927683; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:25:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t5T7PHGO002046; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:25:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:25:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Joshua Isom Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual booting plus Hyper-V Message-Id: <20150629092517.afec2a3e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55905A0A.1070600@gmail.com> References: <55905A0A.1070600@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:25:22 -0000 On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:33:14 -0500, Joshua Isom wrote: > After many years, I'm thinking of turning my beastie into a gaming box > plus home server. It's overpowered for my current use. I'm not sure > wine's up to the task for hassle free gaming. Well, wine is pretty much advanced nowadays. If wine is not sufficient, there's winex which is a special variation of wine intended for gaming use. I'm running several "Windows" games myself with wine, as well as Linux games on FreeBSD. No problems. :-) > I think the easiest thing > would be running Windows on it's own hard drive with FreeBSD running in > Hyper-V. That sounds like overhead... > I'd get a dedicated windows disk as well as the BSD disks. The idea with dedicated disks is very good. It will allow you to replace OS installations easily (at least with FreeBSD). But why not simply dual-boot from one of the disks? Either you select the boot disk in the BIOS menu (if available), or you install the FreeBSD boot manager on the boot disk and let it boot normally (FreeBSD) or to the "Windows" disk. This gives you the full advantage of using FreeBSD without the overhead and possible problems with a hypervisor. Furthermore, today's boot processes are _fast_, so switching from one to the other OS can be a thing of less than a minute. The only situation where this does not work is when you need to run both FreeBSD and "Windows" at the same time. Is that one of your requirements? > The system is all ZFS on GPT at the moment. Is this > practical or is are there other alternatives to consider? Native (OS-controlled) ZFS use or through a hypervisor? Hmmmm... As I mentioned, I would go with real dual-boot instead... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 07:48:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A97E98F584 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 654081642 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5372F3F710; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5590F83E.8040707@sneakertech.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:48:14 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Drake , John Haraden , FreeBSD questions Subject: A note about installing packages from the dvd References: <6213A983-300C-4175-A324-ACF91D210BA0@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6213A983-300C-4175-A324-ACF91D210BA0@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:48:17 -0000 A quick note to John Drake and John Haraden who both asked questions about this recently- Nobody (including myself) ever remembers to read the errata notes it seems. Apparently there's a version mismatch in 10.1 that screws up installing packages from the dvd: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/errata.html#open-issues From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 08:33:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEF098D02C for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 860DA2BA5 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B99803F710; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 04:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559102D9.8060404@sneakertech.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 04:33:29 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Stankevitz CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:33:31 -0000 >Do I need to export the pool before using dd on the > raw device? So I think my earlier comment saying export is overkill might have been wrong. The handbook page explaining how zfs checksums work has an example that explicitly uses export: [20.3.8. Self-Healing] "Data corruption is simulated by writing random data to the beginning of one of the disks in the mirror. To prevent ZFS from healing the data as soon as it is detected, the pool is exported before the corruption and imported again afterwards." https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/zfs-zpool.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 10:38:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1198F118 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norman@khine.net) Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7352619F5 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norman@khine.net) Received: by oiyy130 with SMTP id y130so114818882oiy.0 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1aL4kbuvxqVnMErNw9HQS7r3nVYSGk/qcd4gWOSyxJQ=; b=OQD7cF9abI0gWy7dbdjf8c191OakurRPK1OO8Wnj2qKuvYA+j4UW6NsVXjBm1bLO84 m6b+wV6nAFajr/dgpr4ky46aNaCsLG1dM27nmJpNhKF1Usfv089O3gXz7+Ut1AY28g92 nE8j0jwRifsOSxC5+vSG/MgAxE4POJAfHoizO+JXUrdgptkqhhA8iKHNzHchNMAfeHTl Sq/fdMU9i8ijl8J3cON6YiMwwrj9aVKBMCxAuIEG6CLstT71UFFGLs7GiQ4Ioype4ECC qc63GnbEFNZjJJOFRaFfFfGcd/HnN6TBrugBEsmMTt+eSKh+VdBPomf1g5sLo6er0Qv9 YZ/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnLwF2FbP9NPuVdnd7V6sKcXL2tN6DxDzG10VzISvyqFQGR4p+KmbHRBUKTpEJn1j1+OMog MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.223.9 with SMTP id w9mr12755270oig.14.1435574305442; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.173.69 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:38:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: edit sshd_config from freebsd8_rescue From: Norman Khine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:38:32 -0000 Hello, I have a server running FreebSD8 from OVH, this had a problem, and I had to restart it in rescue mode. This is what I did so far: rescue-bsd# df -aTh Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on XX.XX.XX.XX:/home/pub/bsd-rescue8_64 nfs 1.9T 223G 1.6T 12% / devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev /dev/md0 ufs 29M 2M 24M 7% /etc /dev/md1 ufs 4.4M 20k 4.0M 0% /root /dev/md2 ufs 4.4M 302k 3.8M 7% /var procfs procfs 4.0k 4.0k 0B 100% /proc devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /var/named/dev /dev/md3 ufs 19M 14k 17M 0% /tmp rescue-bsd# gpart show => 63 156301425 ad6 MBR (74G) 63 156296322 1 freebsd [active] (74G) 156296385 5103 - free - (2.5M) => 0 156296322 ad6s1 BSD (74G) 0 20480000 1 freebsd-ufs (9.8G) 20480000 1048576 2 freebsd-swap (512M) 21528576 53895168 4 freebsd-ufs (25G) 75423744 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 83812352 30720000 6 freebsd-ufs (14G) 114532352 41763970 7 freebsd-ufs (19G) => 63 156301425 ad4 MBR (74G) 63 156296322 1 freebsd [active] (74G) 156296385 5103 - free - (2.5M) => 0 156296322 ad4s1 BSD (74G) 0 20480000 1 freebsd-ufs (9.8G) 20480000 1048576 2 freebsd-swap (512M) 21528576 53895168 4 freebsd-ufs (25G) 75423744 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 83812352 30720000 6 freebsd-ufs (14G) 114532352 41763970 7 freebsd-ufs (19G) rescue-bsd# mount /dev/ad4s1 /mnt rescue-bsd# vi /mnt/etc/ssh/sshd_config rescue-bsd# umount /mnt/ rescue-bsd# mount /dev/ad6s1 /mnt rescue-bsd# vi /mnt/etc/ssh/sshd_config rescue-bsd# umount /mnt/ rescue-bsd# reboot I have opened the ssh port and saved the file Then I reboot the server in normal mode, but none of the settings seem to have been saved on reboot! Do i have to chroot in order for these to work? I tried to chroot, but there is no vi in order to edit the file? Any advise much appreciated. -- %>>> "".join( [ {'*':'@','^':'.'}.get(c,None) or chr(97+(ord(c)-83)%26) for c in ",adym,*)&uzq^zqf" ] ) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 14:19:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5FE98F256 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B98C1092 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5TEJSOF086978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t5TEJRCw086975; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:19:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Quartz cc: Chris Stankevitz , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT In-Reply-To: <5590A7AE.9040303@sneakertech.com> Message-ID: References: <5590A7AE.9040303@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:19:28 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:19:36 -0000 On Sun, 28 Jun 2015, Quartz wrote: >> Remember, ZFS >> leaves space unused at the end of a disk to allow for variations in >> nominal disk size. > > Holy what the heck, no it doesn't! One big issue with zfs is that you CANNOT > shrink a pool's size once it's been created, for any reason. You can't remove > vdevs, and any replacement disk must bigger or exactly equal in size; even a > disk with one less sector and you're SOL. This is my biggest gripe with zfs > by far and in fact I just asked freebsd-fs about this less than a week ago > wondering if it had been addressed finally (it hasn't). It's possible I've confused this with something else. The person who I thought told me about this now denies saying anything like that. However, there are copies of the ZFS label at the end of the drive that might explain the GPT backup not being overwritten. I have queries in. The fact that the backup GPT is still present indicates that ZFS has not written to that area, at least so far, and it should be safe to overwrite. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 14:28:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1361498F4E9 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0E018B5 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6828B33C1D; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 367EF3983C; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:28:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Norman Khine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: edit sshd_config from freebsd8_rescue References: Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:28:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Norman Khine's message of "Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:38:25 +0100") Message-ID: <44mvzivbaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:28:36 -0000 Norman Khine writes: > Hello, > I have a server running FreebSD8 from OVH, this had a problem, and I had to > restart it in rescue mode. > > This is what I did so far: > > rescue-bsd# df -aTh > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail > Capacity Mounted on > XX.XX.XX.XX:/home/pub/bsd-rescue8_64 nfs 1.9T 223G 1.6T 12% / > devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev > /dev/md0 ufs 29M 2M 24M 7% /etc > /dev/md1 ufs 4.4M 20k 4.0M 0% /root > /dev/md2 ufs 4.4M 302k 3.8M 7% /var > procfs procfs 4.0k 4.0k 0B 100% /proc > devfs devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /var/named/dev > /dev/md3 ufs 19M 14k 17M 0% /tmp > > > rescue-bsd# gpart show > => 63 156301425 ad6 MBR (74G) > 63 156296322 1 freebsd [active] (74G) > 156296385 5103 - free - (2.5M) > > => 0 156296322 ad6s1 BSD (74G) > 0 20480000 1 freebsd-ufs (9.8G) > 20480000 1048576 2 freebsd-swap (512M) > 21528576 53895168 4 freebsd-ufs (25G) > 75423744 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) > 83812352 30720000 6 freebsd-ufs (14G) > 114532352 41763970 7 freebsd-ufs (19G) > > => 63 156301425 ad4 MBR (74G) > 63 156296322 1 freebsd [active] (74G) > 156296385 5103 - free - (2.5M) > > => 0 156296322 ad4s1 BSD (74G) > 0 20480000 1 freebsd-ufs (9.8G) > 20480000 1048576 2 freebsd-swap (512M) > 21528576 53895168 4 freebsd-ufs (25G) > 75423744 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) > 83812352 30720000 6 freebsd-ufs (14G) > 114532352 41763970 7 freebsd-ufs (19G) > > rescue-bsd# mount /dev/ad4s1 /mnt > rescue-bsd# vi /mnt/etc/ssh/sshd_config > rescue-bsd# umount /mnt/ > > rescue-bsd# mount /dev/ad6s1 /mnt > rescue-bsd# vi /mnt/etc/ssh/sshd_config > rescue-bsd# umount /mnt/ > > rescue-bsd# reboot > > I have opened the ssh port and saved the file > > Then I reboot the server in normal mode, but none of the settings seem to > have been saved on reboot! Are you *sure* you saved the file? I suggest checking *before* rebooting -- I strongly suspect that you haven't. Maybe you forgot to "write" from vi, maybe you forgot to set the disk read-write, maybe something else, but before the reboot. > Do i have to chroot in order for these to work? I tried to chroot, but > there is no vi in order to edit the file? Um, no, that's not necessary (or helpful). Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 14:35:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB90798F620 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1EB61BE8 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qcbcf1 with SMTP id cf1so43428848qcb.0 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=VRfwPSI7wuZnZa2aC5h3diO6I17+RlmWXwveC0ZJL7Y=; b=MALQNISXGzqsK2UiiLv8rKsEs0WOaKdZuZt5gPuZjnR6yv8eJT8v5JpLgWGqhMSbO7 /w0t4Q20adqigWa8S+vUiWXoXAJXgM9t2Fr6o49LQrdmVt6qHPiT3rb8yieVl4P+lfq4 DFL2XqZJVVG/vmydFDWD1Nb01vU8AaOMxY+wBqVD4cdUzzEU/JQZW4FuWYabCGPeWPXq b7EEJHAj2ySXISYfXMotfzVeIuHaL/Zw6Lt3+W5MJ1rhymw+cBNFAglRyZmb98g6/ZVY 2qEgKHsnIkZ8ritL44seyDIqlbZ2NOzrD5lkqGDW8M8+pQO3Ex+KeV7L96QfIwhZkfpn vuuA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlnAwk1mK6+j5gp459VCqtMsce3IjPNa6HRnCVsQBatp//e3LUtPmROYYSNrEPucmycnyMQ X-Received: by 10.140.28.99 with SMTP id 90mr19031933qgy.99.1435588179825; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 47sm11575235qgt.15.2015.06.29.07.29.37 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:29:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5590A7AE.9040303@sneakertech.com> To: freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:35:38 -0000 On Jun 29, 2015, at 10:19, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2015, Quartz wrote: >=20 >>> Remember, ZFS >>> leaves space unused at the end of a disk to allow for variations in >>> nominal disk size. >>=20 >> Holy what the heck, no it doesn't! One big issue with zfs is that you = CANNOT shrink a pool's size once it's been created, for any reason. You = can't remove vdevs, and any replacement disk must bigger or exactly = equal in size; even a disk with one less sector and you're SOL. This is = my biggest gripe with zfs by far and in fact I just asked freebsd-fs = about this less than a week ago wondering if it had been addressed = finally (it hasn't). I do recall a change in ZFS behavior to leave a very small amount of = space unused at the every end of the drive to account for the = differences in real sizes between various vendors drives that were = nominally the same size. This only applied if you used the entire disk = and did not use any partitioning. This was in both the Solaris and = OpenSolaris versions of ZFS, so it predates the fork of the ZFS code. I have had no issues using disks of different manufacturers and even = models within manufacturers (which sometimes do vary in size by a few = blocks) as long as they were all the same nominal size (1 TB or 500 GB = in my case) and I had handed the entire disk to ZFS and not a partition. This is NOT an indication of any sort that you can shrink an existing = zpool nor does it imply that any given zpool is not writing to certain = blocks at the end of the disk, but that the space allocated by the zpool = create, when using an entire disk, leaves a little bit of wiggle room at = the end that is NOT part of the zpool. I will see if I can dig up the documentation on this. Note that it is a = very small amount as drives of the same nominal capacity vary very = little in real capacity. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 21:23:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38BE990DA3 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x229.google.com (mail-ie0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B35031C39 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: by iecvh10 with SMTP id vh10so124140489iec.3 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:23:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8fq4NConxHCc+0XwhSzhMCo+qkzyIeUEdYircAvQ4CQ=; b=DxvAH06AweTsk6ybyg27+7XhL9uwwO8ZlvtGTv5AQ+SF372ClTNZl9G/xodBMLPZhc Y0G6yzWN1M5ejB6U7xex4NmYi5iSME7rplIfk/iIJ7W3Scy9eJ9qnzFnjW/sAaGJ//cb zh8bgP1HdEwcnhdAmfzXFj3Gzag4rKnFXsqn7gJ81sXokrwcvY/HkLqYUIMaE5lTdC1V QVq2zUeJMOo3wKpsRa11LHb9URvmIscZ21T8KQo39u4X/RtoP+WxoAWdLHhROP99qsj2 X21hQM4+mTvQBXFmTjyWeK1uDjiv1bSwAffi7EHk3U5oSzJyACm2AC1jX2wcorEHMqNs zdAQ== X-Received: by 10.107.14.65 with SMTP id 62mr25070968ioo.67.1435613030089; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (c-98-212-131-73.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.131.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m92sm5406772ioi.41.2015.06.29.14.23.49 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5591B756.2090702@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:23:34 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual booting plus Hyper-V References: <55905A0A.1070600@gmail.com> <20150629092517.afec2a3e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150629092517.afec2a3e.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:23:51 -0000 On 6/29/2015 2:25 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:33:14 -0500, Joshua Isom wrote: >> After many years, I'm thinking of turning my beastie into a gaming box >> plus home server. It's overpowered for my current use. I'm not sure >> wine's up to the task for hassle free gaming. > > Well, wine is pretty much advanced nowadays. If wine is > not sufficient, there's winex which is a special variation > of wine intended for gaming use. > > I'm running several "Windows" games myself with wine, as > well as Linux games on FreeBSD. No problems. :-) I know it depends a lot on the game, some are perfect and some just fail due to insufficient support. Dual booting between Windows and FreeBSD solves that. >> I think the easiest thing >> would be running Windows on it's own hard drive with FreeBSD running in >> Hyper-V. > > That sounds like overhead... Running Windows and keeping the FreeBSD daemons running requires overhead. Overhead would be better than a dedicated second computer. >> I'd get a dedicated windows disk as well as the BSD disks. > > The idea with dedicated disks is very good. It will allow you > to replace OS installations easily (at least with FreeBSD). > But why not simply dual-boot from one of the disks? Either > you select the boot disk in the BIOS menu (if available), > or you install the FreeBSD boot manager on the boot disk > and let it boot normally (FreeBSD) or to the "Windows" disk. > This gives you the full advantage of using FreeBSD without > the overhead and possible problems with a hypervisor. > Furthermore, today's boot processes are _fast_, so switching > from one to the other OS can be a thing of less than a minute. > The only situation where this does not work is when you need > to run both FreeBSD and "Windows" at the same time. Is that > one of your requirements? Ideally I'd want the server processes to continue running. It operates as my IMAP and NAS server primarily so it's nothing intensive but I'd prefer to keep it running. >> The system is all ZFS on GPT at the moment. Is this >> practical or is are there other alternatives to consider? > > Native (OS-controlled) ZFS use or through a hypervisor? Hmmmm... > As I mentioned, I would go with real dual-boot instead... Maybe I worded the dual boot idea poorly. I want the computer to dual boot between Windows and FreeBSD. I want the FreeBSD drives to boot seamlessly between booting in Hyper-V and directly on the computer. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 23:46:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E891698F085 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher.maness@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x22e.google.com (mail-yk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABF501E6E for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher.maness@gmail.com) Received: by ykfy125 with SMTP id y125so129521585ykf.1 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:46:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DcpsvcdalIQFS6+XE156iMO3LWmypr2QA+UlwvB9bjk=; b=SIgx3xzT65Om5Fg6DoD0DoTYCmdSZFdm1mgWvFLIpXwhDSVF78lXJXcapnGZTMxVI2 rqkpIf1uaXQ8sY2qwrz2gc+VERB+vpkdByzTj/IRmdHbMFuUJNozv0LZi23sZHnNNX3e /QUCDExfcv8OyWJTdaMZWVpFu8+rE+KASn1QXn2IxNYcJoTeTp//jW8QmXdFV5iOrYHT O5DkS+YCvlSJ24fOgAMD0+FOjf76Of9oUxUi/eAExUNNaideJSVqjWfT10/yJu4KHtNX Kts32UbpcNDdfGAbVQUuvQSm/ewqY37RM+06233EqUBHhFG+mQvJ8BHSI8sxTaYcyK+F RMuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.218.86 with SMTP id k83mr21987862ykf.6.1435621613583; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: christopher.maness@gmail.com Received: by 10.13.242.198 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:46:53 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bdXJLGNVUy-xuRo0WaAXeGTmngM Message-ID: Subject: Changing TMPDIR for restore? From: Chris Maness To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:46:55 -0000 I have tried changing the TMPDIR env variable for restore as I am using a livecd to restore my server from a dump. However, restore doesn't seem to be recognizing the new tmp directory I created for it. I did #set TMPDIR='/mnt/tmp' and #echo $TMPDIR shows the correct directory. I am stuck, and not finding any hints on the net. Any suggestions? Thanks, Chris Maness From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 23:54:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0048198F1C7 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7354213B for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22FA43F854; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5591DAAD.4080800@sneakertech.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:54:21 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kraus CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Corrupt GPT on ZFS full-disks that shouldn't be using GPT References: <5590A7AE.9040303@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:54:25 -0000 > I do recall a change in ZFS behavior to leave a very small amount of > space unused at the every end of the drive to account for the > differences in real sizes between various vendors drives that were > nominally the same size. This only applied if you used the entire > disk and did not use any partitioning. This was in both the Solaris > and OpenSolaris versions of ZFS, so it predates the fork of the ZFS > code. > > I have had no issues using disks of different manufacturers and even > models within manufacturers That runs counter to everything I've ever heard or read. Many people on all platforms have complained about this issue over the years and tried to come up with workarounds, there's no shortage of hits if you search for it. Here's a few random examples: https://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org/msg23070.html https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-July/057880.html http://blog.dest-unreach.be/2012/06/30/create-future-proof-zfs-pools http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-with-gpart.php > I will see if I can dig up the documentation on this. Please do, because if zfs does have this ability buried somewhere I'd love to see how and when you can activate it. >Note that it is > a very small amount as drives of the same nominal capacity vary very > little in real capacity. The second link of the ones I posted above is from a guy with two 1.5TB drives that vary by one MB. I'm not sure what you're considering "nominal capacity" in this context, but any margin smaller than that is probably not useful in practice. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 02:41:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996B6990325 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com (st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com [17.172.109.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74FCA187D for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from [17.149.235.49] (unknown [17.149.235.49]) by st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NQQ00CGXI0FYB50@st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:41:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-06-30_01:2015-06-29,2015-06-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1506300028 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: Changing TMPDIR for restore? From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:41:02 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD - Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-id: References: To: Chris Maness X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:41:27 -0000 On Jun 29, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Chris Maness wrote: > I have tried changing the TMPDIR env variable for restore as I am > using a livecd to restore my server from a dump. However, restore > doesn't seem to be recognizing the new tmp directory I created for it. > I did #set TMPDIR='/mnt/tmp' and #echo $TMPDIR shows the correct > directory. I am stuck, and not finding any hints on the net. > > Any suggestions? Try "export TMPDIR" next. Or do it in one step via "export TMPDIR=/mnt/tmp". Only exported variables get inherited by subprocesses.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 03:41:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B521990CC0 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8571B18 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1B1E4990CBF; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A970990CBE for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2D131B14 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151B040E786 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:32:10 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :subject:subject:from:from:received:received:received; s= selector1; t=1435635109; x=1437449510; bh=HsaU0K83A+RIpt+4GzRgqO T+af4IrcG4o+OTV0jOiRI=; b=BMXibmcVuvBHHNnI0GPMIn/2/HJ7Hr6kJTSl0l Ml2yJ6G36EeYhsemA+Mnazt0PxpD4BdiMur/oLz3hZwMWG1VkApp3haV6/ERsEu0 dcCZPOf6twEOwXyw3OzpHD4jnsEC9anD1MCvrRH6fUP7l+JvsA//x31CIZk/5NYl 4WoUc= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id EWR6ETPAalJ3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:31:49 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7355040E783 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:31:49 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t5U3WVBQ025987; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:32:31 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: kern.ipc.nmbclusters limit reached Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:32:31 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:41:36 -0000 Hi, Since I updated my amanda server to 10.1, I cannot complete a back-up, the system will freeze in the middle of the dumps with bunches of error: Jun 30 09:37:16 amanda kernel: [zone: mbuf_cluster] kern.ipc.nmbclusters limit reached The kernel is: FreeBSD amanda.cs.ait.ac.th 10.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p9 #0 r282829: Wed May 13 14:31:30 ICT 2015 root@amanda.cs.ait.ac.th:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 and sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters kern.ipc.nmbclusters: 253064 This ipc.nmbcluster seems terribly high (like 0.5 GB memory), but that's the value set by the kernel by default! Something must be wrong there, but I don't know ehre to look. Thanks in advance for the help, olivier -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 08:35:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658B3990CD9 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECE071A38 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([80.229.31.82]) by avasout08 with smtp id mYXp1q00A1mJoLY01YXqqZ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:58 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=EKD7qAtC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=cd0K7rcWwnZFf6xQxRobyA==:117 a=cd0K7rcWwnZFf6xQxRobyA==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=MWTWBCRKAAAA:8 a=PIBlCxr9GotL8JhOjdYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9qxI-0000jp-Vh; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:48 +0100 From: Mike Clarke Cc: Chris Maness , FreeBSD - Message-ID: <20150630093148.66210ff6@curlew.lan> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, MISSING_HEADERS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: Changing TMPDIR for restore? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:35:12 -0000 n Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:41:02 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: > On Jun 29, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Chris Maness wrote: [snip] > > I did #set TMPDIR='/mnt/tmp' and #echo $TMPDIR shows the correct > > directory. I am stuck, and not finding any hints on the net. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Try "export TMPDIR" next. Or do it in one step via "export > TMPDIR=/mnt/tmp". Looks like the OP might have been using csh in which case it should be - setenv TMPDIR /mnt/tmp -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 09:04:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF84298C163 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1F671BF5 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 867363F818 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:04:27 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:04:35 -0000 I can't seem to get the 10.1 installer to work under virtualbox, everything is so slow it's completely unusable. The dvd image takes upwards of a minute to even draw the opening ascii menu, and attempting to boot the kernel just sits there forever. If I convert the memstick img into a vdi and boot from that, I just get the "spinning slash" forever (it doesn't even get to the menu). I've tried the 'set vfs.unmapped_buf_allowed=0' trick, tried changing vb's chipset from PIIX3 to ICH9, tried changing the number of CPUs and ram and everything, but no dice. Anyone have any ideas? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 09:15:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1455A98C381 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 836171FFC for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5U9FMcx068133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:15:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t5U9FL30068130; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:15:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:15:21 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Quartz cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow In-Reply-To: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> Message-ID: References: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:15:32 -0000 On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:04-0400, Quartz wrote: > I can't seem to get the 10.1 installer to work under virtualbox, everything is > so slow it's completely unusable. The dvd image takes upwards of a minute to > even draw the opening ascii menu, and attempting to boot the kernel just sits > there forever. If I convert the memstick img into a vdi and boot from that, I > just get the "spinning slash" forever (it doesn't even get to the menu). I've > tried the 'set vfs.unmapped_buf_allowed=0' trick, tried changing vb's chipset > from PIIX3 to ICH9, tried changing the number of CPUs and ram and everything, > but no dice. Anyone have any ideas? Need. More. Input. ;-) Maybe you need to enable hardware virtualisation support in the host. My amd64 VMs are happy with the emulated PIIX3 chipset. Try removing the IDE controller in the guest and replace it with the SATA controller. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 09:22:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0642D98C52E for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD4513DB for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DAAD298C52D; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1AB98C52A for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vn0-x22b.google.com (mail-vn0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c0f::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9634113DA for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by vnbg1 with SMTP id g1so136911vnb.7 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Lln3KncV/fAP8/12gs3BT1R9YG3C7whC2xV3+oL1Iyw=; b=K/EDkcUtZtOx3SiyAAhJ7TjBdY3otOXwnCG7LGALQz/v4TijS4FYeqQaA+ldV0xDkJ o+JSqCHV4Wh2YBhZq6uD0t6NnBG3MnfCnZwFdEZ3AUF/SPvgnR03Kan4JjDwT5LmTAwC C0gtzWZ2qZPryWgNBWsyw4m/kh9rZFf9gBY20EhIMcGmdrDrp0W7sj3IYhTsXRkuEwDe F9Muuu2ZsTNNPLuvbpWF4+AOYBTGeXS/J+SJt3tqFU13J7AAWGo3ZqXl+NVfFkdO/eqK nOR+JudvVyHcWCyM1+b34dxBYLdaMJV8cHJBrSu6pNEO0tz9zqzExrx6Kwl7Crg6Ck2E ltWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.181.167 with SMTP id dx7mr18655821vdc.91.1435656148409; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.3.198 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:22:28 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: kern.ipc.nmbclusters limit reached From: Ben Woods To: Olivier Nicole Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:22:30 -0000 On Tuesday, June 30, 2015, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > Since I updated my amanda server to 10.1, I cannot complete a back-up, > the system will freeze in the middle of the dumps with bunches of error: > > Jun 30 09:37:16 amanda kernel: [zone: mbuf_cluster] kern.ipc.nmbclusters > limit reached > > > The kernel is: > > FreeBSD amanda.cs.ait.ac.th 10.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p9 #0 > r282829: Wed May 13 14:31:30 ICT 2015 root@amanda.cs.ait.ac.th:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > amd64 > > and > > sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters > kern.ipc.nmbclusters: 253064 > > This ipc.nmbcluster seems terribly high (like 0.5 GB memory), but that's > the value set by the kernel by default! > > Something must be wrong there, but I don't know ehre to look. > > Thanks in advance for the help, > > olivier > -- > I guess you are using Intel igb(4) or em(4) network interface cards? This is a known issue, and the work around proposed by the pfsense project is to manually increased the nmbcluster limit: Add the following to /boot/loader.conf: kern.ipc.nmbclusters="1000000" https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Tuning_and_Troubleshooting_Network_Cards#Intel_igb.284.29_and_em.284.29_Cards Regards, Ben -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 09:31:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B6598C648 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98991970 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E681F98C647; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F1E98C646 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 998A3196F for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FE940E786; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:29:10 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received:received :received; s=selector1; t=1435656549; x=1437470950; bh=w0OIeBMbd bhgiNOWDQKzpqlIZoWJSe2im4RtLYFT1bk=; b=ACrTrTHiOnnX9oATsmHx5cMWv YlW0rn8G6JL2NHYg1akogtliyZYaeFM0u0bqKrlqRs0BRd6lYXKQ6qu0tphYGFYv gqbvfhQMEelDn2HVwnkuWdlKes5Ofnkqbwcx9T6OUJhErv4+NF1cZv+nv0n5K29B 8fxgA5TkNGEweroQJs= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id QsIXBlC6GCSh; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:29:09 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 173A540E783; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:29:09 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t5U9Tp6V037564; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:29:51 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: Ben Woods Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern.ipc.nmbclusters limit reached In-Reply-To: (message from Ben Woods on Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:22:28 +0800) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:29:51 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:31:44 -0000 Thank you Ben, >> Since I updated my amanda server to 10.1, I cannot complete a back-up, >> the system will freeze in the middle of the dumps with bunches of error: >> >> Jun 30 09:37:16 amanda kernel: [zone: mbuf_cluster] kern.ipc.nmbclusters >> limit reached >> >> >> The kernel is: >> >> FreeBSD amanda.cs.ait.ac.th 10.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p9 #0 >> r282829: Wed May 13 14:31:30 ICT 2015 root@amanda.cs.ait.ac.th:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> amd64 >> >> and >> >> sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters >> kern.ipc.nmbclusters: 253064 >> >> This ipc.nmbcluster seems terribly high (like 0.5 GB memory), but that's >> the value set by the kernel by default! >> >> Something must be wrong there, but I don't know ehre to look. >> >> Thanks in advance for the help, >> >> olivier >> -- >> > > I guess you are using Intel igb(4) or em(4) network interface cards? No, that MB uses nfe(4). > This is a known issue, and the work around proposed by the pfsense project > is to manually increased the nmbcluster limit: > > Add the following to /boot/loader.conf: > > kern.ipc.nmbclusters="1000000" But I will try that anyway. My concern is that 2048 Bytes per nmbcluster, makes it 2,048,000,000 two giga bytes of memory? Best regards, Olivier > > > > https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Tuning_and_Troubleshooting_Network_Cards#Intel_igb.284.29_and_em.284.29_Cards > > Regards, > Ben -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 09:56:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D50C98CD7C for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 627C114D6 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B56613F7F1; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559267C9.9010108@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:56:25 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow References: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:56:28 -0000 > Need. > More. > Input. ;-) Not sure what else to provide. I think I've flipped every switch vb gives me. > Maybe you need to enable hardware virtualisation support in the host. It's on by default and I don't have the option to disable it. I can however enable PAE or disable nested paging, but neither of those make a difference. > Try removing the IDE controller in the guest and replace it with the > SATA controller. Tried that, no dice. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 10:04:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7510498CF9F for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54FD21C00 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2773C3F7F9; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55926993.9040800@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:04:03 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow References: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> <559267C9.9010108@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559267C9.9010108@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:04:05 -0000 >> Maybe you need to enable hardware virtualisation support in the host. > > It's on by default and I don't have the option to disable it. Or, rather, my version of virtualbox doesn't let me disable VT-x/AMD-V when using a 64bit guest OS. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 10:24:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D2498E294 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C26911FC for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BBD13F801 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55926E72.5080706@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:24:50 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow References: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:24:52 -0000 > I can't seem to get the 10.1 installer to work under virtualbox, > everything is so slow it's completely unusable. The dvd image takes > upwards of a minute to even draw the opening ascii menu, and attempting > to boot the kernel just sits there forever. If I convert the memstick > img into a vdi and boot from that, I just get the "spinning slash" > forever (it doesn't even get to the menu). I've tried the 'set > vfs.unmapped_buf_allowed=0' trick, tried changing vb's chipset from > PIIX3 to ICH9, tried changing the number of CPUs and ram and everything, > but no dice. Anyone have any ideas? Nevermind, it's fixed. The virtualbox I was using claimed it was still the most recent version, but manually checking virtualbox.org revealed that this was a lie. Updating mostly fixed the slowness issue (It's still not as fast as my other guest OSs, but it's at least it's usable now). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 11:20:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CF798EBB8 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluca1978@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x230.google.com (mail-wg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 262AC1AD0 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluca1978@gmail.com) Received: by wgjx7 with SMTP id x7so6713299wgj.2 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 04:20:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=VCYeqxlJzdJ/136ukrYyOPGheWqTwAT+SHW1BO+hZJc=; b=A4XVhuy/j5c7SMWqsyr6MjjIUAPrjMc+UTNA++B8UOVA8VRakBKJBkRB551Hrs7VTU sur7SoZs7VvtFsermloFGWFyRvTlQtRMacrTy12phZHvtLyiNStYFEy4UK+myi9vbPXD 9IbueVPQ2oUxseq6qLU/4Je5/11Liz4zP95SPf0TNRFflTZjFZWLeWeDySkYuY6tigbJ E/1OowcL4eAUOPICDdvZB/pZ02VyzXaoDVIyQLIQ4quJOuDOkp01iv9OUxBs8px9aM00 tkz0SggjtOKNoKLB5ox0luXlvfq1DTKNXfkPgvL15RMRohEfpiTBKvzYE2rj0J+nao4J wHLQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.72.145 with SMTP id d17mr32749949wiv.69.1435663237579; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 04:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Sender: fluca1978@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.80.163 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 04:20:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55926E72.5080706@sneakertech.com> References: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> <55926E72.5080706@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:20:37 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M1WsGIp4QWhtkBVA4LUIGrzwZr0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow From: Luca Ferrari To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:39 -0000 On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Quartz wrote: > Nevermind, it's fixed. The virtualbox I was using claimed it was still the > most recent version, but manually checking virtualbox.org revealed that this > was a lie. Updating mostly fixed the slowness issue (It's still not as fast > as my other guest OSs, but it's at least it's usable now). > Just for the record: I'm running a virtual box 4.3.26 on linux 64 bit, and have a FreeBSD machine with 512 MB of ram that is running fine. I think that we should compare some diagnostic data for a better understanding of where the problem lies. Luca From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 11:54:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A431990382 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=6165262b9=a@jenisch.at) Received: from mgaterz2.oekb.co.at (mgaterz2.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mgaterz1.oekb.co.at", Issuer "Symantec Class 3 Secure Server CA - G4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A58CD1BDC for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=6165262b9=a@jenisch.at) Received: from exchhubcas1.oekb.co.at ([143.245.3.64]) by mgaterz2.oekb.co.at with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 30 Jun 2015 13:52:56 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (143.245.9.16) by internal-relay-exchhubcas1.oekb.co.at (143.245.3.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.210.2; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:52:55 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5UBr3X2001344; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:53:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t5UBr3JH001343; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:53:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:53:03 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: Subject: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Message-ID: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:54:10 -0000 Hi, Having run FreeBSD for some years historically I used the "build from source"-method in order to install/upgrade ports - i.e. "make && make install" and "portupgrade" respectively. Since the package system has gotten much better of the years, I decided to go for the binary way of installing/upgrading on recent installations, i.e. "pkg ...". Now on one of these recent machines I've got to install a port that needs some configuration when building, so installing that particular program from source would be better. Here's my question: Is a "mix and match" between binary and source-installation (pkg.. vs. "make / portupgrade") possible on the same machine, or is it one or the other? Any experience with that? Caveats any? Thanks much in advance for your help, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 12:01:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703AF9908EF for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3670810D2 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABAE53CEE3; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t5UC1JDS002517; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:01:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:01:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ewald Jenisch Cc: Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Message-Id: <20150630140118.b6cb5381.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:01:30 -0000 On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:53:03 +0200, Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Here's my question: Is a "mix and match" between binary and > source-installation (pkg.. vs. "make / portupgrade") possible on the > same machine, or is it one or the other? > > Any experience with that? Caveats any? I suggest you make yourself familiar with Poudriere. It's a convenient way to build your own packages (from source) and then installing them with pkg (i. e., having your own package repository where dealing with custom compile-time options is much easier). https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-poudriere.html https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=poudriere&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.2-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html Of course if you just need very few packages to compile from source, using portmaster or portupgrade is still possible. However, it might be neccessary to do the "lock / unlock" action with pkg on the course of updating. It's important to pay attention here - a custom package might be updated with a binary one with different options (as the binary packages are being built with the default options set by the maintainer). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 12:27:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75E6990E54 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53551CF1 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [88.151.27.41] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9udM-0005v6-Tr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:27:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9udK-000568-Nt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:27:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:27:25 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Message-Id: <20150630132725.e3ab60f2ac8b1d3e4662a535@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 24227@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:27:37 -0000 On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:53:03 +0200 Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Hi, > > Having run FreeBSD for some years historically I used the "build from > source"-method in order to install/upgrade ports - i.e. "make && make > install" and "portupgrade" respectively. > > Since the package system has gotten much better of the years, I > decided to go for the binary way of installing/upgrading on recent > installations, i.e. "pkg ...". Now on one of these recent machines > I've got to install a port that needs some configuration when > building, so installing that particular program from source would be > better. > > Here's my question: Is a "mix and match" between binary and > source-installation (pkg.. vs. "make / portupgrade") possible on the > same machine, or is it one or the other? No it is perfectly possible (I have a few ports where I need different options to the pre-built packagess). It is important to use pkg lock to prevent pkg upgrade from replacing your carefully built version (yes I found this out the hard way). It is also useful to run make missing in the port and pkg install as many of the dependencies as possible to avoid building them. One catch is that a pkg upgrade may require you to rebuild the port if a dependency has changed shared lib version on you - so it helps to test your ports after a pkg upgrade. An alternative is to set up poudriere and a local web server and roll your own packages, but that involves you in building everything which is a pain if you use things like LibreOffice or even Firefox. I did this for a while before realising that I was doing all this build work for the sake of a handful of customisations. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 12:52:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1935298F4BB for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aberg010@my.HennepinTech.edu) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0144.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C94D71C43 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aberg010@my.HennepinTech.edu) Authentication-Results: freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; Received: from [10.0.0.21] (66.41.0.46) by BLUPR03MB1492.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.163.81.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.195.15; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: <559290EE.8030305@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:51:58 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? 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There is no difference at all between the two, especially since staging in ports became mandatory. Using ports directly builds a package and then installs it. Problems occur when packages are built from different ports trees, however. I highly recommend Poudriere (as others have mentioned) for creating your own repo, since this will give you full control and stability, and will allow a consistent, shareable set of packages for multiple machines that will all have the options you want. Of course, this will require building all your own packages, and Poudriere likes to be more conservative than the underlying ports tools, and will rebuild packages even if they may not strictly need to be rebuilt. If you feel that you must only build some packages yourself and use the official FreeBSD repo (or any other repo that you do not control) for others, you *must* keep your own tree in sync with it when upgrading. This is even more complicated now that the official repo is not updated on a schedule, but rather is updated as soon as the last build run is completed. This approach requires more care and work in order to be stable, so I do not recommend it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 13:47:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0DF98FEE1 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DED8F1B66 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:47:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5UDlbvo033120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t5UDlaSW033117; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:47:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Quartz cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Can't install freebsd inside virtualbox, glacially slow In-Reply-To: <55926E72.5080706@sneakertech.com> Message-ID: References: <55925B9B.2090503@sneakertech.com> <55926E72.5080706@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:47:37 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:47:41 -0000 On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Quartz wrote: > >> I can't seem to get the 10.1 installer to work under virtualbox, >> everything is so slow it's completely unusable. The dvd image takes >> upwards of a minute to even draw the opening ascii menu, and attempting >> to boot the kernel just sits there forever. If I convert the memstick >> img into a vdi and boot from that, I just get the "spinning slash" >> forever (it doesn't even get to the menu). I've tried the 'set >> vfs.unmapped_buf_allowed=0' trick, tried changing vb's chipset from >> PIIX3 to ICH9, tried changing the number of CPUs and ram and everything, >> but no dice. Anyone have any ideas? > > Nevermind, it's fixed. The virtualbox I was using claimed it was still the > most recent version, but manually checking virtualbox.org revealed that this > was a lie. Updating mostly fixed the slowness issue (It's still not as fast > as my other guest OSs, but it's at least it's usable now). Make sure virtualbox-ose-kmod has been rebuilt after the host OS has been updated. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 14:23:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF59D98E78C for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FA11951 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A5FAD98E78A; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A578398E788 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp207.alice.it (smtp207.alice.it [82.57.200.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679BE1950 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (87.16.60.30) by smtp207.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 55926DE50010AB28 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:23:12 +0200 Received: from guardian.ventu (bane.ventu [10.1.2.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.ventu (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t5UEN3ND093517 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:23:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host bane.ventu [10.1.2.15] claimed to be guardian.ventu Message-ID: <5592A646.40905@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:23:02 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: KeySpan USB to Serial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 10.1.2.13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:20 -0000 Hello. I've already found a thread with a negative answer to my question, but it's years old and maybe some progress was made... Is it possible to use a Keyspan usb/serial adapter on FreeBSD? > # usbconfig > ... > ugen1.4: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON (100mA) I tried every driver I could think of but it's always detected as ugen... bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 14:50:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D602698ECBC for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0389120A for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BD48C98ECBB; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD0F98ECBA for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83D851208 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5UEoHr1039027; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:50:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <5592AC90.1090007@sentex.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:49:52 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Venturoli , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KeySpan USB to Serial References: <5592A646.40905@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <5592A646.40905@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:50:18 -0000 On 6/30/2015 10:23 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I've already found a thread with a negative answer to my question, but > it's years old and maybe some progress was made... > > Is it possible to use a Keyspan usb/serial adapter on FreeBSD? > >> # usbconfig >> ... >> ugen1.4: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST >> spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON (100mA) > > I tried every driver I could think of but it's always detected as ugen... Looking through the source, usbdevs:vendor KEYSPAN 0x06cd Keyspan / InnoSys Inc. usbdevs:product KEYSPAN USA19QW_NF 0x0118 USA-19WQ serial Adapter (no firmware) there are definitions for them, but I dont see reference to them in the serial usb section of the source code :( So I am guessing no on RELENG_10 ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 15:14:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5F298FA97 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ED71EBF for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B6DF498FA95; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B661F98FA94 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp205.alice.it (smtp205.alice.it [82.57.200.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6D11EBD for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (87.16.60.30) by smtp205.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 555621530C886A2F; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:14:08 +0200 Received: from guardian.ventu (bane.ventu [10.1.2.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.ventu (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t5UFE2o7095740 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:14:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host bane.ventu [10.1.2.15] claimed to be guardian.ventu Message-ID: <5592B23A.9000100@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:14:02 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KeySpan USB to Serial References: <5592A646.40905@netfence.it> <5592AC90.1090007@sentex.net> In-Reply-To: <5592AC90.1090007@sentex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 10.1.2.13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:14:26 -0000 On 06/30/15 16:49, Mike Tancsa wrote: > Looking through the source, > > usbdevs:vendor KEYSPAN 0x06cd Keyspan / InnoSys Inc. > usbdevs:product KEYSPAN USA19QW_NF 0x0118 USA-19WQ serial Adapter > (no firmware) > > there are definitions for them, but I dont see reference to them in the > serial usb section of the source code :( So I am guessing no on RELENG_10 Had seen this... I hoped for something not in src (i.e. port or something not imported yet). Thanks anyway av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 15:49:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D21098D47E for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qk0-f169.google.com (mail-qk0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 235B818CB for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qkei195 with SMTP id i195so9289318qke.3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:49:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date :subject:to:message-id:mime-version; bh=Y67Q8fm++vMzL/OniKC/RwKoy0EKP5I3OTRWs89pomY=; b=Z8S4Sa4f/HhkSPA7edvzvKkGvthClCvWCPr1dRkntKkMHub/ztYC3DNJKh9Kgh9yEw 4jQ/0NJ7I9vQfQA/mNgBIs8GYt9IXHdmFFYS7MtDyUb6aTpyoCfqLpHS4QZ2bneqGqsq 6wDsaoJXCoYzrtMEXtDTlUpUwjmmoCdXFo4ujhKsJjYOe0dvvX5n7ffN0CwHABb61A1F Jh6fa2c/emIWuC6guuWpcjNNsP+UvK6AJsHy9pytuIM4udXgqiXHmI8IcQhJclc55roP MpBOHRTduaD+54PeKWvDGmrxrZghdCzeoBhnlrOrAHm5UcwNk9lSpdboAvLB6RUaC4BM 9wGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnUOC/tgwP+RvVYEIU8w4UgTpB5Mt7QIqm8qc3TeieD9pNKy7CHzTfr0b6z9k5KW7s9y6C1 X-Received: by 10.55.20.166 with SMTP id 38mr44888830qku.12.1435679347252; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 80sm98750qhr.26.2015.06.30.08.49.04 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Kraus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:49:03 -0400 Subject: Install OS from UDF for VBox To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <7EE5DEAF-9A83-4C13-BDA5-83910F195AEF@kraus-haus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:49:14 -0000 Apologies if this is an answered question, but searching both online and = my copies of this list have turned up nothing useful. I am running a number of VBox environments under FBSD and need to be = able to install various OSes from ISO images that are UDF not = 9660+extensions. The specific ones I am running up against right now = include: Ubunutu 14.04 LTS Server Windows 8.1 Pro=20 Windows Server 2012 R2 I am running FBSD 10.1 as current as possible for both OS and ports. VBox tosses an error when I try to add the ISO image to the =93CD=94 = drive. The error is VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED and my research has led me to the = conclusion that the problem is that these are UDF format ISO=92s (so = that they may contain files larger than 2 GB). I also cannot mount the = ISO under FBSD using mount_udf, so they are a newer version of UDF than = mount_udf supports. I assume this is the crux of the issue VBox is = having, the underlying OS does not have support for this version of the = UDF spec. Am I missing something obvious, like a port to add that support (I tried = sysutils/udfclient with no luck as well), or is this just a feature that = has not been added to FBSD (yet) ? -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 17:01:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4DA990670 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 432531B3E for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([80.229.31.82]) by avasout08 with smtp id mh1U1q0031mJoLY01h1Vcv; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:01:30 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=EKD7qAtC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=cd0K7rcWwnZFf6xQxRobyA==:117 a=cd0K7rcWwnZFf6xQxRobyA==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=CK6UTNwjaF2vVuJNMBoA:9 a=3M74Zzene2MW8pTv:21 a=6IUfLxNGekNcMIrK:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9yuV-0001ni-9h; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:01:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:01:27 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: Ewald Jenisch Cc: Message-ID: <20150630180127.30b5c124@curlew.lan> In-Reply-To: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:01:34 -0000 On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:53:03 +0200 Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Here's my question: Is a "mix and match" between binary and > source-installation (pkg.. vs. "make / portupgrade") possible on the > same machine, or is it one or the other? It can be done, but with care. I currently have 2 ports which need building from source due to needing non-standard configuration and 2 more which aren't available as packages. As others have suggested poudriere is one way to go. I have tried this and it's certainly an excellent product but for my case, where only a very small number of ports required building from source, it was rather like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It's important that you keep your ports tree in step with the FreeBSD repositories and, as has already been said, it can be a bit more complicated now that the packages aren't built on a fixed schedule. The solution is to use Reed Cartwright's sync-ports script . This will obtain revision information from the relevant build server and use svnlite to update your ports tree to match the same version. My updating procedure is as follows: pkg lock -l # To check that the ports you build from source are # locked - lock them if not. sync-ports. make -C /usr/ports index pkg updating | less # To check for possible issues. pkg upgrade pkg version -vIL= # If any of your locally built ports need updating they will show up here # If one of your ports needs rebuilding run pkg unlock the_port_name portmaster the_port_name pkg lock the_port_name By upgrading packages before attempting to rebuild any ports you ensure that all dependencies will be up to date and you won't need to build any of them unless the new version has acquired any new dependencies since the last upgrade. The same procedure applies for ports which aren't available as packages, except that you don't need to bother about locking them. I've been using this procedure for over 3 months now and not had any problems. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 17:26:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037C8990BFA for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qk0-f169.google.com (mail-qk0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41CD1E97 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qkeo142 with SMTP id o142so11440412qke.1 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:26:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=hWRnIXx4egIZtVlOy9nJcIC4/eYrgI+pZLTQWB+S5aU=; b=Q6AiX0QmxbznewvjNyr7qoU4G9fJLBnhS6TWeSAUzuxc6kQJF8Rf4ymLh2eY43dyKZ /QlsvbPHdLhEVDNehrU9iNQCEgs5IhqStDa6yTHnyAs8ex90kjLhI9fCfTrO/lWcofPA yxKLRpCauFRqCDTRP5+WAGQvAT1GB8vtJttGRoeIIWEM9KAanjQuBw6aan7ihfFFjIWu KRxNrs4tMaNIUT2UoLQVvel8az5R0Ysi3S1PtrX6hAuxayeidktqzEzBuHlut5VP4nzT Pqy8Dr6BvL1b/bH0FOidsC/ZhTE/YcybxAIHlBGhM/l/x/0m1/lO6ZQFCBVqUyWF/orw 3jLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQllx91OOa0eio6TPMozeOHOOwvQI5pENFSxivO0qoeiDxaIU7SMORjEEcFEKktUDJmUtkpZ X-Received: by 10.140.105.53 with SMTP id b50mr21788718qgf.66.1435684865766; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g6sm240742qgd.10.2015.06.30.10.21.04 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Install OS from UDF for VBox From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <7EE5DEAF-9A83-4C13-BDA5-83910F195AEF@kraus-haus.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:21:04 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15549383-5FB0-4C7C-A041-84D1F2EE0C24@kraus-haus.org> References: <7EE5DEAF-9A83-4C13-BDA5-83910F195AEF@kraus-haus.org> To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:26:48 -0000 An additional bit of info =85 if I put the DVD in the drive and use the = VBox passthrough driver I can install from the DVD. I do not have DVD = drives on all the host systems though. On Jun 30, 2015, at 11:49, Paul Kraus wrote: > Apologies if this is an answered question, but searching both online = and my copies of this list have turned up nothing useful. >=20 > I am running a number of VBox environments under FBSD and need to be = able to install various OSes from ISO images that are UDF not = 9660+extensions. The specific ones I am running up against right now = include: >=20 > Ubunutu 14.04 LTS Server > Windows 8.1 Pro=20 > Windows Server 2012 R2 >=20 > I am running FBSD 10.1 as current as possible for both OS and ports. >=20 > VBox tosses an error when I try to add the ISO image to the =93CD=94 = drive. The error is VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED and my research has led me to the = conclusion that the problem is that these are UDF format ISO=92s (so = that they may contain files larger than 2 GB). I also cannot mount the = ISO under FBSD using mount_udf, so they are a newer version of UDF than = mount_udf supports. I assume this is the crux of the issue VBox is = having, the underlying OS does not have support for this version of the = UDF spec. >=20 > Am I missing something obvious, like a port to add that support (I = tried sysutils/udfclient with no luck as well), or is this just a = feature that has not been added to FBSD (yet) ? >=20 > -- > Paul Kraus > paul@kraus-haus.org >=20 -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 18:02:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2E99070B for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFA41AB1 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 745E933C1E; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Paul Kraus Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Install OS from UDF for VBox References: <7EE5DEAF-9A83-4C13-BDA5-83910F195AEF@kraus-haus.org> <15549383-5FB0-4C7C-A041-84D1F2EE0C24@kraus-haus.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:02:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <15549383-5FB0-4C7C-A041-84D1F2EE0C24@kraus-haus.org> (Paul Kraus's message of "Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:21:04 -0400") Message-ID: <441tgtjcrl.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:02:13 -0000 Paul Kraus writes: > An additional bit of info =85 if I put the DVD in the drive and use the > VBox passthrough driver I can install from the DVD. I do not have DVD > drives on all the host systems though. Have you tried md(4)? Something like "mdconfig -a -t vnode -f udf-image-file" should do it. > On Jun 30, 2015, at 11:49, Paul Kraus wrote: > >> Apologies if this is an answered question, but searching both online and= my copies of this list have turned up nothing useful. >>=20 >> I am running a number of VBox environments under FBSD and need to be >> able to install various OSes from ISO images that are UDF not >> 9660+extensions. The specific ones I am running up against right now >> include: >>=20 >> Ubunutu 14.04 LTS Server >> Windows 8.1 Pro=20 >> Windows Server 2012 R2 >>=20 >> I am running FBSD 10.1 as current as possible for both OS and ports. >>=20 >> VBox tosses an error when I try to add the ISO image to the =93CD=94 >> drive. The error is VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED and my research has led me to >> the conclusion that the problem is that these are UDF format ISO=92s >> (so that they may contain files larger than 2 GB). I also cannot >> mount the ISO under FBSD using mount_udf, so they are a newer >> version of UDF than mount_udf supports. I assume this is the crux of >> the issue VBox is having, the underlying OS does not have support >> for this version of the UDF spec. >>=20 >> Am I missing something obvious, like a port to add that support (I >> tried sysutils/udfclient with no luck as well), or is this just a >> feature that has not been added to FBSD (yet) ? >>=20 >> -- >> Paul Kraus >> paul@kraus-haus.org >>=20 > > -- > Paul Kraus > paul@kraus-haus.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 18:42:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97919990226 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:42:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qk0-f178.google.com (mail-qk0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58EF8272A for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qkei195 with SMTP id i195so13040245qke.3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QTs0BCXomEq7MVXEDbTJ0OIF/omvdrBhn64VTptJaQs=; b=GOyjb6IFUWTnCkcI/d0QPustRJeU9T+DUNF3zYOYY1D6n+Dw5aKOKY2z7tjKszmdQD SvUCPqx+PUbNdkalHlnuru098WrXVLNojLE9rKp66hnhEpNo8tr//o3QsZq7wMu59+33 vB1y7tKC9/u9NZ/YmEgGpKL7GQ67Hh8ETmcaI3MMyKaQFcfgrh6n2M54jWn7FIcxrnRj fehXNcW9II4sXDeBX0oXB11zJjrsmogM3XqJxVX1JEe+X/f5YRkVPpeQIINg6kmX5upo EqIFsxxIGTjIRLUBHp3wBhIcCr7div0nOqqJh0lC31Fgr3p1xsUOlL2KFfAPBKEsfhOj kBqw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2xdMwbeQ5/BRGHBMB79rUawmoMUzsnWD+eLMhMk7vrsUJrbvJaQ48SQqgqcSm4JqLIiIi X-Received: by 10.55.40.131 with SMTP id o3mr46409798qko.57.1435689743555; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t17sm339157qgt.49.2015.06.30.11.42.21 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Install OS from UDF for VBox From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <441tgtjcrl.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:42:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7EE5DEAF-9A83-4C13-BDA5-83910F195AEF@kraus-haus.org> <15549383-5FB0-4C7C-A041-84D1F2EE0C24@kraus-haus.org> <441tgtjcrl.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:42:31 -0000 On Jun 30, 2015, at 14:02, Lowell Gilbert = wrote: > Paul Kraus writes: >=20 >> An additional bit of info =85 if I put the DVD in the drive and use = the >> VBox passthrough driver I can install from the DVD. I do not have DVD >> drives on all the host systems though. >=20 > Have you tried md(4)? >=20 > Something like "mdconfig -a -t vnode -f udf-image-file" should do it. Yup, tried that. I found the forum thread that included this solution = but it did not work. The VM did not find the boot block on the VMDK of = the md of the ISO image. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 30 19:05:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0D1990985 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [IPv6:2001:7c0:407:1001:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F9321933 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1ZA0q9-0002f1-5U; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:05:05 +0200 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5UJ0HMf093893 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:00:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t5UJ0HjV093892 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:00:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: Sendmail: SMTP auth and smart host? Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <20150629062540.GA1359@fbsdvm1.naber.dom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lorvorc.mips.inka.de 1435690817 93696 ::1 (30 Jun 2015 19:00:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mips.inka.de User-Agent: slrn/1.0.2 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:05:09 -0000 On 2015-06-29, Björn Heidotting wrote: > Do you have support for SMTP-AUTH compiled into sendmail? > > Check with: sendmail -d0.1 -bv postmaster | grep -i sasl No, I'm using the stock FreeBSD 10 sendmail, so I don't have SASL support compiled in. I was under the impression that SASL support was only required for server side SMTP authentication, but looking over src/contrib/sendmail/src/usersmtp.c I see that I was mistaken. Well, that explains it. Pity that this requires a port. > I also have the following in my .mc file: > > FEATURE(`authinfo', `hash /etc/mail/auth/client-info')dnl As far as I can tell, FEATURE(authinfo) only splits out the client side authentication information into a separate map. Otherwise, you can just put it into the access database, assuming you have FEATURE(access_db). -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 10:13:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BDE990AC1 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7846F2551 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t61ADPdE001275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:13:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t61ADOjZ001272 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:13:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:13:24 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Is I340-T4 capable of monitor mode on stable/10 r284296? Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:13:33 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know if Intel Ethernet Server Adapter I340-T4, quad ports, 82580 controller, can be used in monitor mode on stable/10 r284296? Will this work by itself: ifconfig igb1 up monitor promisc I don't get any error messages, so I assume the driver and adapter is on terms with each other. I'm having difficulty getting net-mgmt/iftop to see the traffic on the igb1, whereas tcpdump -vvs 0 -i igb1 sees the traffic. iftop has no problems seeing the traffic on bce1 on the same system. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 14:13:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689BD991345 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B3572B14 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:13:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by iecuq6 with SMTP id uq6so35482046iec.2 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=KhlndhWgUMmDckHt+zohEJvVH8pImRZbbN6EGFXwK0o=; b=DCigFDY3H5dEJ1jFiie2V3vJCTWCprQ+VkMa4T2eHPNtwt3ypfTpuYRSNDGisO5ind xGve3m9jQcrTmjpf8P+yebALKkx89us6CE3zn/Jv7uqe1Xo/blJUv8KwI964iANc6/BV kQi+Ug2Qjanks8jkXRuxXPGsz9T+/Q6XIei+oGQ3ZuCsYo99eKlyxbAvKbKz7JcLIift /qnmKhEkB5ALH2Muw7bR15d63uNA83L71iIvNC2t090Jd3omih4Sa6VnAx77fZVdw6ED Z5nxgYcKwm2q0cLatI3KEpt4nwZOdLkRyefKeLTwpaE2ObfyoxAR6Rr6H2+t//HLJTCC 0iZA== X-Received: by 10.50.87.74 with SMTP id v10mr5300761igz.37.1435759994178; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (184-100-80-212.mpls.qwest.net. [184.100.80.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kl8sm1716001igb.15.2015.07.01.07.13.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Clarification on simple, incremental ZFS backup Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 09:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:13:21 -0000 Hey, folks. So a month or so ago I installed a shiny new root-on-ZFS system on my laptop. For some time I've been keeping incremental backups on an external USB drive using sysutils/rsnapshot, a front-end to rsync, but I've been interested in implementing the same sort of functionality using ZFS snapshots. I've read the relevant sections of the Handbook and looked around the web a bit, and the typical procedure recommended is that I simply replicate the filesystem: `zfs send -R @ | zfs receive ` There's a problem with this, though: when the filesystem is replicated all its properties are retained (naturally), including mountpoints. So the backup gets mounted over my local filesystem, making both useless. There's no way that I can see to unmount the backup filesystem (as that's now mounted to '/'), and importing the filesystem again after a reboot just mounts it over the local filesystem again. What am I doing wrong, here? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Does anyone here have a similar rsync-like backup scheme? -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 14:23:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B55E9916A3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A2DE1140 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by igblr2 with SMTP id lr2so98762343igb.0 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AqR4k1TgUGYPgwMkX3NJSmCy4ZVDnb06WWarAwG+gqA=; b=mtYTkLGiOeYTPLn1nVbC/DQiqh0CIQmKgxzF4HZ/BRSmSbF2PZG29uoNLQxktCrYei grKEiCMWql5Cap9oVX48331SOpVN5DapEvSe+UhXXKOxkHON3L0jHATp7l/V1kMUTgXD F9XpmxsFnpQoXDRabL58yZnm5V28BMS/O/Tw+rj5ukYPCgoM4AZjpQdT6rCpobBj8ZEf e0vET6I/PtPWI19eTOSRcycf/coO2LHZxmLHiv7Dpjvne78HmeRbV5b5db+zsDpCvF+J Tv+6NrYeAbdyfoy0FubE+EsISTSr0ENGgqfpz6Q/05Tteh0NdQMimVOPUaRdYDwaIvIe dC6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.225.35 with SMTP id rh3mr32326367igc.29.1435760600687; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.30.202 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: why is my geom-mirror stuck on "SYNCHRONIZING, 0%" forever ? From: William Dudley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:23:21 -0000 I created a new mirror using these instructions: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-mirror.html gpart show mirror/gm0s1 => 0 3907028979 mirror/gm0s1 BSD (1.8T) 0 2 - free - (1.0k) 2 335544320 1 freebsd-ufs (160G) 335544322 209715200 2 freebsd-ufs (100G) 545259522 209715200 4 freebsd-ufs (100G) 754974722 3152054256 5 freebsd-ufs (1.5T) 3907028978 1 - free - (512B) But this: gmirror status Name Status Components mirror/gm0 DEGRADED ad12 (ACTIVE) ad10 (SYNCHRONIZING, 0%) has been true for 12 hours. How can I find out what is happening and why no progress is being made? There are no messages to the console indicating any problem. Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. 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[96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o25sm1043964qkh.25.2015.07.01.07.30.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Clarification on simple, incremental ZFS backup From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:30:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:35:39 -0000 On Jul 1, 2015, at 10:13, Brandon J. Wandersee = wrote: > `zfs send -R @ | zfs receive = ` >=20 > There's a problem with this, though: when the filesystem is replicated > all its properties are retained (naturally), including mountpoints. So > the backup gets mounted over my local filesystem, making both > useless. There's no way that I can see to unmount the backup = filesystem > (as that's now mounted to '/'), and importing the filesystem again = after > a reboot just mounts it over the local filesystem again. What am I = doing > wrong, here? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Does anyone > here have a similar rsync-like backup scheme? Use zfs recv -e (or -d) to put the replicated copy under a different = mount point. I also set the mount point on my backup datasets to none to = prevent accidental changes. Remember you can also snapshot and replicate = the changes between snapshots to make the replication faster. We are = backing up servers via ssh tunnels and incremental sends / recvs -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 15:10:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC95991120 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5353A18E8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igblr2 with SMTP id lr2so36849034igb.0 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:10:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=mnNNvSW8rwgBhC9JOfLkvAXnGZAl3TNTzxgnxuUor2c=; b=QFGjxX3DkgfwcjD3PvvheNl3YB1ZcMOlNhzsHgMdAt9gURSmssT4VQes4SbVS0H7iI 8B8qaNT7uOpHRiWormSjtd+J5SnFWMC7tf35Y00JKEMlk944fv3f8Pz0efTUnPyO78cO /xip6HcHu3XIkzQjjIDLcH1JQtZqR2/wKAOvEG5PgvgT/+mQYplHlnibuBRWGEZDmqXK W3JSCKAHXxODBGArCR+SEp+G34RWHRdyCs/qSs7C0jhENPd3cSHRqlaWznzIb3tDtr2z wQ9M6IZXctP79X8xgmCDxSk1ugPwWFIrPmy0iax612lnMxREORe6lBpTIksBpu9mTzdB lZOQ== X-Received: by 10.50.178.133 with SMTP id cy5mr33261216igc.5.1435763419022; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (184-100-80-212.mpls.qwest.net. [184.100.80.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c12sm1517128ioj.39.2015.07.01.08.10.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:10:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> <20150630180127.30b5c124@curlew.lan> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? In-reply-to: <20150630180127.30b5c124@curlew.lan> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: <86zj3fap7r.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:10:26 -0000 Mike Clarke writes: > It's important that you keep your ports tree in step with the FreeBSD > repositories and, as has already been said, it can be a bit more > complicated now that the packages aren't built on a fixed schedule. The > solution is to use Reed Cartwright's sync-ports script > . This > will obtain revision information from the relevant build server and use > svnlite to update your ports tree to match the same version. First, thanks for the tip. I've been wondering how to sync my ports tree revision to that used for the package repository for a bit, for precisely this purpose. Second, I notice the script only covers versions up to 10.1. It fails for 10-STABLE, which is currently labeled as 10.2-PRERELEASE. I'm guessing that at present 10-STABLE still uses the same package repo as 10.1-RELEASE, but how would I determine that? I don't want to update the script and break something because I overlooked some basic precaution. Thanks. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 16:03:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055C991F80 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 16:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 830701FDC for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 16:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t61G2tSo096792 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:03:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t61G2tSo096792 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t61G2tSo096792; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <55940F2E.6060009@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:02:54 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clarification on simple, incremental ZFS backup References: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> In-Reply-To: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tCKgieSTDJrv2bRCDX0WMVDvJfV4wuP0C" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:03:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --tCKgieSTDJrv2bRCDX0WMVDvJfV4wuP0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/01/15 15:13, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > There's a problem with this, though: when the filesystem is replicated > all its properties are retained (naturally), including mountpoints. So > the backup gets mounted over my local filesystem, making both > useless. There's no way that I can see to unmount the backup filesystem= > (as that's now mounted to '/'), and importing the filesystem again afte= r > a reboot just mounts it over the local filesystem again. What am I doin= g > wrong, here? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Does anyone > here have a similar rsync-like backup scheme? Yes, for *backup* using ZFS snapshots, you don't really want to use the replication stream form of 'zfs send' -- just sending an incremental update from a previous snapshot or bookmark means you can - save the data on your backup server to a different path - keep a lot more snapshots (ie. history) on your backup server - not have to keep the snapshots for old backups on the source server So long as the source and backup machines have a snapshot in common, or even just a bookmark[*] on the source side corresponding to a snapshot on the server side, then you're golden. Oh, and incremental 'zfs send' is *way* faster than rsync, especially when you've relatively few changes to a large body of files. I've some scripts I've been working on at work that they're happy for me to publish, which I'll stick up on GitHub tonight. Or else there's zxfer in ports (which should have a website at http://www.zxfer.org/, but that doesn't seem to be working right now.) Cheers, Matthew [*] You need at least FreeBSD 10 for bookmarks as I recall. --tCKgieSTDJrv2bRCDX0WMVDvJfV4wuP0C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlA8uAAoJEABRPxDgqeTnWc0P/2RvR+q5doz00P3C3VJ1NWop mCbfBjAPYdp60LtelBDttJsbKhsw7xbPIASXjKxa/rKalGqqZ6s+uu7oPY680rLk 306g1uNuRxw1pWg9IT3RAIuE4aXU8CpvqMxH7S3iZTFbKHupOoSiKtlLSqWy4KU9 VJFFmzFuzDwDYTrUatDW97xahsDkO7TWipg/ujIn+CAU+G9+OoB52Jyb5/1GKrHV zVh68ndr3wiCu54C/xUviBA3Y73V7afehZsZzfRbwQpT8khrGrPSB5MPuf4pj3K8 ddqzUkJFK84GRG0G0Ix2XVorDutJahCu0Gtu3fAKtpKMjsiC9SVZ/KUquO1uUrcT EdnUQR0GW7RGKflLRTTMAOZ97PfXwClhcW3G55npDRmJzSUKeja63qKIsG/VswjZ Zfmymhxr9SHg1NtQ8GgmXfP0vGNkZ2RyUxKU/X/D3qpB+Z8INDHCfbhSaqxyyUo6 sihfXNDJpm6jsik8vs19G/6+uqim0Jw0Nt7xdkq7/4Ru0lBC1GhmgFANTNKHGjj4 InV6b6EY84hwmulA+49BBrBdY7bKIU8itPCKDoP3Pu+4uxOShI808RyscWRcCBsM kReCtuh4TFwq59PFpXNDnTK4iNsjwJh2LAInjz9ESHDkPqPmdfX+zXYBkXTVt3sm 3tsLuTiWKwUUrIHMYzCy =esuG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tCKgieSTDJrv2bRCDX0WMVDvJfV4wuP0C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 17:10:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2038E99297D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA6E614A1 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igrv9 with SMTP id v9so39346709igr.1 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=jC80Ixnmij5NSqIocYXTh3oEywQPq8k6GYGww1ZIA3g=; b=auMdhgv9WRfOzAdl5/tiM74aTzqVHbA1ZuKzBKeYxnb86dAlatuaWnZcj5qYRaUptq yPYNYjstySPrZ9yq35K01enryJ29Txm4fwHLcEjFI2ixyfBzAV8l7F9YCneEEraCr0vb /2UYJdv8tVyh9uh+/gV9wfie6UIg3Bp8KPWlsMn6hKTMDEXxsuUHJeVCx2bIVwFty9Gv GWdA5N+nheW0Zaw8NaiAkbHZ8u++f/yusgsGX07YG3/itXty85RDfENaSpeJlAyElm2W 5Jp3PNwVKk3086Yg37/vqQtH+fFiQQk4yBX53VSskEGbO6qWoRp8J2OgOG4rpn8Y8kkh tJRw== X-Received: by 10.107.12.143 with SMTP id 15mr39600281iom.75.1435770635637; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (184-100-80-212.mpls.qwest.net. [184.100.80.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e3sm10586319igq.21.2015.07.01.10.10.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <55940F2E.6060009@freebsd.org> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clarification on simple, incremental ZFS backup In-reply-to: <55940F2E.6060009@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: <86y4izajna.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:10:42 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > Yes, for *backup* using ZFS snapshots, you don't really want to use the > replication stream form of 'zfs send' -- just sending an incremental > update from a previous snapshot or bookmark means you can > > - save the data on your backup server to a different path > - keep a lot more snapshots (ie. history) on your backup server > - not have to keep the snapshots for old backups on the source > server > > So long as the source and backup machines have a snapshot in common, or > even just a bookmark[*] on the source side corresponding to a snapshot > on the server side, then you're golden. Sure, but then what happens in the worst-case scenario, where the source pool needs to be clobbered and replaced? That's what I understood the purpose of replication to be--a means of completely restoring a system that's beyond recovery. If I were to create a snapshot and then send it to the backup drive, I couldn't later restore a complete filesystem from it, could I? I'd need a complete replica to make that happen, correct? -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 1 18:12:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C1B992AD8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qk0-f181.google.com (mail-qk0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 478021EEE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qkeo142 with SMTP id o142so35446639qke.1 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HtUCaVdDkWIwA9Kdr2r1T+PlhyO5ovj4cquwaLhEhic=; b=gwJRUGZlE4FawbFSXhaN2MLsUHVXLpOiK8BuvNI2ZJFtfiOnexK1PSVatMNogOa16V rWZMZHQN5VVtqTYYl5cq3LQk0cYaqnYEHz4v3xAVFiZQL8Sxfg2tzc2in3OxnotrfhCG BDx3lYBE2kgh6C6aIijZS1VugLi+J/7hfQrc1r3+Fcjm3esvBiwY3Td+pgnr2vKk3pdc UznAA1iLWDeucplFwDLQQV+wY5Sj1qq0qkrFmh0wmLtBHk87UMWs0mqRs4aegZP+i2pP yPLGtVuF5G6Qi0vhwG2RMftTSpHXMVrOt6Tikta3nnnxxZpn30nD7g16toJdjmn5Pvjh aBSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlak5u0k1DQRUeNnLK0NtsqBEuzSVwcmLuCdNV7IaiNshoSJO6sLqyeCpy8FVnEEoK3idiJ X-Received: by 10.140.202.65 with SMTP id x62mr37444391qha.102.1435774370695; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b31sm1402319qge.5.2015.07.01.11.12.47 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Clarification on simple, incremental ZFS backup From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <86y4izajna.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:12:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8EDC3394-3288-4D75-9A94-1589732DACEE@kraus-haus.org> References: <861tgsaruw.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <55940F2E.6060009@freebsd.org> <86y4izajna.fsf@WorkBox.Home> To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:12:58 -0000 On Jul 1, 2015, at 13:10, Brandon J. Wandersee = wrote: > Sure, but then what happens in the worst-case scenario, where the = source pool > needs to be clobbered and replaced? That's what I understood the = purpose > of replication to be--a means of completely restoring a system that's > beyond recovery. If I were to create a snapshot and then send it to = the > backup drive, I couldn't later restore a complete filesystem from it, > could I? I'd need a complete replica to make that happen, correct? You need to start with a FULL stream, then you apply incremental streams = to it. On the replica you end up with all the snapshots from the source. = So the process I follow is: Take a snapshot Send full stream -> recv to a designated backup pool (all it contains = are copies of other datasets) Take another snapshot Send incremental stream of changes between two snapshots -> recv to same = dataset repeat ... I take hourly snapshots on all my datasets and replicate nightly. If you need a full recovery you zfs send a FULL stream in the reverse = direction (and you can choose which snapshot to send, and even send them = all once the first FULL is done using -I). -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 03:21:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D207E99256B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 03:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9319026D0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 03:21:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t622m7Wt005103 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:48:07 -0600 Message-Id: <201507020248.t622m7Wt005103@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Installing FreeBSD 10.1 to a partition. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:48:07 -0600 From: reg@dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 03:21:45 -0000 I am trying to do something that would be trivial with Linux. Namely install FreeBSD to a partition on the disk. I have a 500GB disk, with 6 90GB partitions. I have PCBSD in the first partition, and would like to put FreeBSD in the 2nd. Now nothing I have tried will have the FreeBSD installer ask for a partition. It wants to either overwrite the 1st partition, or if I remove partitions 2-6, it will try to create a partition out of the remainder of the disk, and not allow me to reduce the size of that partiton. Am I missing something? Or is this just he way FreeBSD is? 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From: Luca Ferrari To: reg@dwf.com Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:57:09 -0000 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:48 AM, wrote: > > I am trying to do something that would be trivial with > Linux. Namely install FreeBSD to a partition on the > disk. >From here : "The FreeBSD boot loader requires either a primary or GPT partition." Also see here: Luca From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 12:01:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4AE992DD9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77DB52D3B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t62C1VXt081200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t62C1U0k081195; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:01:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Luca Ferrari cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 10.1 to a partition. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201507020248.t622m7Wt005103@deneb.dwf.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:01:31 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:01:40 -0000 On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:48 AM, wrote: >> >> I am trying to do something that would be trivial with >> Linux. Namely install FreeBSD to a partition on the >> disk. > > From here : > "The FreeBSD boot loader requires either a primary or GPT partition." boot0 requires a primary partition, but presumably there is a multi-boot thing like Grub already in place. FreeBSD itself does not have to be on a primary partition. The manual options for creating disk partitions in bsdinstall should allow creating or selecting the correct partitions. I don't know if the latest bsdinstall allows avoiding installing the bootcode, or just skips it if custom partitions are selected. 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[62.219.134.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p2sm8919980wix.11.2015.07.02.07.21.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Installing chrome web browser through pkg install. From: atar Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:21:25 +0300 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10B500) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:21:24 -0000 Hi there, According to section 7.2.4 in this page: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handboo= k/desktop-browsers.html, to install chromium web browser, one should run the= command: pkg install chromium. Unfortunately, when I run it, pkg unable to f= ind it and emit the error message: pkg: No packages available to install mat= ching 'chromium' have been found in the repositories. My 'pkg' version is 1.5.4. What's going wrong? I don't want to build the chromium browser from the port= s.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 14:32:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477E0993DC4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from us.navy@outlook.com) Received: from BAY004-OMC2S7.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s7.hotmail.com [65.54.190.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3561120EC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from us.navy@outlook.com) Received: from BAY182-W67 ([65.54.190.124]) by BAY004-OMC2S7.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 07:32:08 -0700 X-TMN: [GlAsALRfVfRAowDXmIxNqDf/AEeAI3XI] X-Originating-Email: [us.navy@outlook.com] Message-ID: From: "Lt. Commander" To: 'Polytropon' CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Script question Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:32:07 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , , <20150615015516.b3ea7633.freebsd@edvax.de>, <2609852.Pc7nSdcYla@desk8.phess.net>, , , <20150622033037.6cfd270d.freebsd@edvax.de>, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2015 14:32:08.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFDC4BC0:01D0B4D3] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:32:13 -0000 =0A= > -------------------------------------------------------=0A= > Bingo! You got it. Works fine.=0A= >=0A= > Funny tho=2C I have used that little sh shell intro for years to lead int= o=0A= > various scripts. This is the first time it didn't work as I had it.=0A= >=0A= > Oh=2C well... now it's fixed and that's all that counts.=0A= >=0A= > Once again many thanks for the help!!=0A= >=0A= > --Jason=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > --=0A= -------------------------------------------------------------=0A= =0A= I received some excellent help on straightening out my scripts=2C but here= =3Bs the reason I need the script and it's maddening that I should even nee= d it if procmail could get it right or my recipes worked. Spamass is doing = a fine job of IDing spam=2C however I've tried all of the recipes to catch = emails above the threshold of 6 to no avail on way too many spams. Below fo= llows an example:=0A= =0A= =A0First=2C spamass reports:=0A= X-Spam-Flag YES=0A= X-Spam-Status YES=2C hits=3D77.60 required=3D6.00=0A= =0A= This rules are not catching them though and get on through:=0A= ## spam=0A= :0:=0A= * ^X-Spam-Status: YES=0A= $SPAM=0A= =0A= ## spam rule=0A= :0:=0A= * ^X-Spam-Status:(.*\<)?YES=0A= $SPAM=0A= =0A= ## New spam rule=0A= :0:=0A= * ^.*(shortcircuit=3Dspam)=0A= $SPAM=0A= =0A= ## Test #2 Catch spam tagged by sa-milter=0A= :0:=0A= * ^(X-Spam-Status: Yes)|(X-Spam-Flag: YES)=0A= $SPAM=0A= =0A= I don't know what's wrong but certainly need a better set of rules I guess = instead of the patch script to snag IPs the "high spams" produce.=0A= =0A= Anyone with any ideas?=0A= =0A= Thanks=2C=0A= /Jason = From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 14:54:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB80B992505 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90CEA1FBE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-155.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t62EsORN022616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:54:25 -0500 Message-ID: <559550A0.7050808@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:00:39 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Retransmission: oddball console (?) messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:54:33 -0000 I have been getting the following messages about once a day: [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:54:48pm] 879 % 1435764066370 addons.update-checker WARN Update manifest for {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd} did not contain an updates property You have new mail. [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:57:38am] 879 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p13 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p13 #0: Tue Apr 7 03:01:12 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:58:18am] 880 % They seem innocuous, everything seems to be working AOK, but they are puzzling. Any clues where this is coming from & what it means ? TIA & have a good one :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 15:26:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D726992B62 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mbob.nabble.com (mbob.nabble.com [162.253.133.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF4D1160 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from msam.nabble.com (unknown [162.253.133.85]) by mbob.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEDF104FECE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 08:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 08:26:33 -0700 (MST) From: wfdudley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1435850793694-6022334.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: why is my geom-mirror stuck on "SYNCHRONIZING, 0%" forever ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:26:35 -0000 because the "first" disk was defective. I'm surprised it didn't throw any errors on the console, however. Eventually, though, the system panicked and crashed with messages about the failed drive on the console. Bill Dudley -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/why-is-my-geom-mirror-stuck-on-SYNCHRONIZING-0-forever-tp6022069p6022334.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 15:29:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906AC992BDF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret@busby.net) Received: from mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595FC1454 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret@busby.net) Received: from bret-dd-workstation.busby.net (d122-109-126-113.per801.wa.optusnet.com.au [122.109.126.113]) by mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92C251041B75; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 01:28:53 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:22:32 +0800 (AWST) From: Bret Busby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Questions about current stable version of freebsd regarding drivers and desktop environment Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=XMDNMlVE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=dOWiayuYEOxcblpNLp2jag==:117 a=dOWiayuYEOxcblpNLp2jag==:17 a=KyKAJ3vZAAAA:8 a=PO7r1zJSAAAA:8 a=9LPpxwRfKWcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=L0WUEAh8eIlFahKpZocA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6en62DKP7WAA:10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:29:03 -0000 Hello. I have an Acer V3-772G laptop computer that has an Intel Haswell i7-4702QM CPU and integrated Intel HD Graphics 4600 graphics controller, and an nvidia GEForce GT750M graphics device, and the system has 32GB of RAM. >From the freebsd web site, I understand that version 10.1 is the latest stable version of freebsd. Please advise as to whether this has drivers available for the above system. Also, on the freebsd web site, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html ; in the freebsd handbook, Chapter 6 The X Window System 6.8 Desktop Environments , is indicated in 6.8.1 GNOME, that GNOME 2 is available for the current stable version of freebsd; which I understand is freebsd v 10.1. Please confirm that GNOME 2 is available for the current stable version of freebsd. I am trying to get a reasonably reliable operating system running on the Acer V3-772G, with the GNOME 2 desktop environment. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 15:29:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD77992C10 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C2641518 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by igblr2 with SMTP id lr2so59230023igb.0 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Tykyv98Cm6/Hec0JliJIopP4abuwXMYmCnC+vzhRLQs=; b=DYM3Z9zhM2USUftqud27J+oCAMUiVmCIQPXpYrU2ejrIHXsjTlohJ5W3w1zLDxr/G8 hYFATYqcRwyljMO1iAGGTPCvHrfU7y5/gBz6N3EUB6cj2kFlWTcGAcXOeRFmwQ/67VOJ axsiMpykyp4O6SIKvOmmC6qEtTgm/LJETFKVeqtxcZjxa+k5ppSM6wgFr4K1AJ6Rby4R YrvgeM3oOhzB35irs5s6XBV1KGUQtJPC2MDhw0PeyyNUKDmyaa0BRT12AVnu9060YT3K U+vIbeagb2bs2tCggyhbdLQu6mhQtlgH3WTZZxYAWscdmEzn3y6lplieNoxpvY+zc6JA vkVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.225.35 with SMTP id rh3mr41933409igc.29.1435850967847; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.30.202 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP From: William Dudley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:29:28 -0000 I'm using freebsd-update to move from 8.4 RELEASE to 9.3 WHATEVER I'm trying to upgrade my ports I run portmaster -af lots of messages, and then this: ===>>> The security/chkrootkit port has been deleted: Has expired: Fails to build with new utmpx ===>>> Aborting update and portmaster stops without updating anything. How do I get past this. /usr/ports/security/chkrootkit DOES NOT EXIST so I can't do "make uninstall" there. Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 16:01:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7BF993268 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 402312A17 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAgvZ-0003sC-2T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:01:29 +0200 Received: from pool-72-66-1-32.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([72.66.1.32]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:01:29 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-72-66-1-32.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:01:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: Retransmission: oddball console (?) messages Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:01:22 -0400 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <559550A0.7050808@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-66-1-32.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:01:41 -0000 William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > I have been getting the following messages about once a day: > > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:54:48pm] 879 % 1435764066370 > addons.update-checker WARN Update manifest for > {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd} did not contain an updates property > > You have new mail. > [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:57:38am] 879 % uname -a > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p13 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p13 #0: Tue > Apr 7 03:01:12 UTC 2015 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:58:18am] 880 % > > They seem innocuous, everything seems to be working AOK, but they are > puzzling. Any clues where this is coming from & what it means ? TIA & > have a good one :-) .... > > I think these are probably Firefox. Might try and clear the auto-update check-boxes in the config. I think maybe this is from the part that checks the addons extensions for out of date versions. -MIke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 16:59:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC9A993AFF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=61852336d=a@jenisch.at) Received: from mgaterz1.oekb.co.at (mgaterz1.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mgaterz1.oekb.co.at", Issuer "Symantec Class 3 Secure Server CA - G4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E6F81A4D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=61852336d=a@jenisch.at) Received: from exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at ([143.245.3.66]) by mgaterz1.oekb.co.at with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 02 Jul 2015 18:57:51 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (143.245.9.16) by internal-relay-exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at (143.245.3.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.210.2; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:57:51 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t62Gvp5b002179; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:57:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t62Gvo2Q002178; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:57:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:57:50 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: Mike Clarke CC: Ewald Jenisch , Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Message-ID: <20150702165750.GA2163@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> <20150630180127.30b5c124@curlew.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150630180127.30b5c124@curlew.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:59:05 -0000 On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 06:01:27PM +0100, Mike Clarke wrote: > ... > It can be done, but with care. > > ... > > My updating procedure is as follows: > > .. Thanks to you all for your quick help - this should get me started - without harming my system ;-) -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 17:13:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89917993DA6 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64C5D20C9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-89.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E001E95855; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:13:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1435857222; bh=TPQZ1OEnhPUerISvAot/nHnjYLprX6ZDXYGrCXoxE6M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=SnXIvZFK2htbgy4ueKRaWsjS1/H7DRON0xspfzTz+GiEbwSpLtBP6L9cPa5qkhkad W/8IrHMiDgIzmyUWH4Axb0/osqwNOu2NCV4X4A0k0GoH1c5SofZQbKkr39+VURr61U xE/x3EZsKAiw5AEOavUJFPw0jql+DNA5aD6QWTTA= Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:13:39 -0400 From: mfv To: atar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Installing chrome web browser through pkg install. Message-ID: <20150702131339.4f7e598e@gecko4> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:13:51 -0000 > On Thu, 2015-07-02 at 17:21 atar wrote: > >Hi there, > >According to section 7.2.4 in this page: >https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html, to install >chromium web browser, one should run the command: pkg install >chromium. Unfortunately, when I run it, pkg unable to find it and emit >the error message: pkg: No packages available to install matching >'chromium' have been found in the repositories. > >My 'pkg' version is 1.5.4. > >What's going wrong? I don't want to build the chromium browser from >the ports. _______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello, According to the following website chromium failed for an unknown reason: http://beefy6.nyi.freebsd.org/build.html?mastername=101amd64-default&build=390941 This website monitors the building of the various packages for FreeBSD release 10.1 amd64. There are different websites for different versions. It is generally useful to provide the output of "uname -a" when specifying a problem. If that had been provided it would be possible to steer you in the direction of the build site for your system. I am personally impressed with all the information provided by this site. My only disappointment is that it does not provide a date/time when the build is finished and available as an updated repository. A date stamp would be useful as an output of "pkg stat". Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 17:34:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E409930B4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp1.bway.net (smtp1.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5E872B59 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-89.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp1.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BFD795853; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:34:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1435858441; bh=yaYn9Z79nGL+Rx0VvapDUrObsSjU/NzRZBb7D3FieWI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=HbkxIjcNSe3zu/l6jcttLOse8DI+JlMU0eG75KYykOLK3BiakBS0uPbAbtfgvNuD0 G+NqXJa7W/Ldpg3KwMeyxZmrja9gXyBjTeyk6pOGh07PkdA0LQRulUj6lKgMj0Ek7M AI43T1EaJAZa1X5LMnVLgA7dU67lmCyYG4MeLANg= Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:34:00 -0400 From: mfv To: atar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Installing chrome web browser through pkg install. Message-ID: <20150702133400.0581eaa7@gecko4> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:34:10 -0000 > On Thu, 2015-07-02 at 17:21 atar wrote: > >Hi there, > >According to section 7.2.4 in this page: >https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html, to install >chromium web browser, one should run the command: pkg install >chromium. Unfortunately, when I run it, pkg unable to find it and emit >the error message: pkg: No packages available to install matching >'chromium' have been found in the repositories. > >My 'pkg' version is 1.5.4. > >What's going wrong? I don't want to build the chromium browser from >the ports. _______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello Atar, I should have been more clear in my last response to your question. You did not do anything wrong when you tried to install chromium. It is currently unavailable as shown in the website specified in my last message. I assume the person who maintains this port will attend to the issue that caused it not to be built and in due time will be available. Once it has been added to the FreeBSD repository it will be available the next time you invoke "pkg update". This can be verified by running "pkg search chromium" after your update. Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 19:55:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A518B993BC6 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 19:55:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@oslo.ath.cx) Received: from oslo.ath.cx (oslo.ath.cx [IPv6:2a01:4f8:200:42e4::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oslo.ath.cx", Issuer "oslo.ath.cx" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7F58187A for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 19:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@oslo.ath.cx) Received: by oslo.ath.cx (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id bb168e3d for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:55:10 +0200 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-ID: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+95 (3bbb1f569eb1) (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 19:55:15 -0000 On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:29:27AM -0400, William Dudley wrote: > I'm using freebsd-update to move from 8.4 RELEASE to 9.3 WHATEVER > > I'm trying to upgrade my ports > > I run portmaster -af > > lots of messages, and then this: > > > ===>>> The security/chkrootkit port has been deleted: Has expired: Fails to > build with new utmpx > ===>>> Aborting update > > and portmaster stops without updating anything. > > How do I get past this. > > /usr/ports/security/chkrootkit DOES NOT EXIST so I can't do "make > uninstall" there. How about 'pkg delete chkrootkit'? -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 20:53:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB0C9938B2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 20:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22e.google.com (mail-ig0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B17522C8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 20:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by igblr2 with SMTP id lr2so65226895igb.0 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AhPr5x+QfNUARGJwj8DynnV21NpjLGJ4w6/n55ylmmo=; b=b8m781dIGPt66x8A9kwmhOSRTRq78DzbCRygYuH8KNV8u2f12FKv1MCjq3CbfRS6iN 9h68lssYyAj39FwPhQc3O5ncBsrWnb5F4qGVWjSpvNRXYefV0vwYZ3UitH42B0K4a/Vx IyAO7K02L9enb6uWxb8ErzsZ94bpemj9JM7F0lQUsGyQftly8DQr/LzNvbvaU8H+QmDE Y767eFjp9KFNV7pvfIKN8EyjZlJuI7y0Y1z7VVzfyolBNywDQXoyNXtZumX56wjXzsSD nJdoPrgx66obeHTsQ5KMshFyM64EP0FnXqRlC1pZFLyKPmermQbUq6Ma1/9QQzAjjIfE 0o2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.22 with SMTP id n22mr2411509ioe.73.1435870390460; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.30.202 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:53:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP From: William Dudley To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:53:11 -0000 Thanks. I didn't know pkg worked on ports, I thought it was for packages (i.e. pre-packaged binaries). Now I'm on my way. I think. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:29:27AM -0400, William Dudley wrote: > > I'm using freebsd-update to move from 8.4 RELEASE to 9.3 WHATEVER > > > > I'm trying to upgrade my ports > > > > I run portmaster -af > > > > lots of messages, and then this: > > > > > > ===>>> The security/chkrootkit port has been deleted: Has expired: Fails > to > > build with new utmpx > > ===>>> Aborting update > > > > and portmaster stops without updating anything. > > > > How do I get past this. > > > > /usr/ports/security/chkrootkit DOES NOT EXIST so I can't do "make > > uninstall" there. > > How about 'pkg delete chkrootkit'? > > -- > Herbert > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 21:20:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B3D993D8E for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22c.google.com (mail-ie0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CD462FE4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by iecvh10 with SMTP id vh10so65461324iec.3 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Wip2CcdP0nazyeGz+CexocvyEmL+dgukdrYSZA/im0g=; b=zeITUH7mHDIfanI5nxOPsxanqWXDNVg6agy9lnAJYuoTRs+EW3DUEHGk/bz80b+k0v owJyMG7PQwuWioxfeFiWoco6/z212SWhUsEVMhlLLl4b+wjSR4gfujLeHcWGkWjEBr/C A0OWbT1XRwT0R8T76/gBu63Chvm2D/Gxxb55BuYWn7FDLOKxTufR5L7i9P+ONtW5p3P8 cxmrjGvUfQe1KwtCPSYqAd54X+KaIJM+oVNxCOoAINxBZn1+97onEoWVROFZMrVV/uXa Y2kcuEsVrYiOOwzrWfBi10pI60ze6ZFFSrrnfYbVqBxfD3BF6nQ9144+YqQHS8ahMmIk 6s4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.215.11 with SMTP id hc11mr15286693icb.78.1435872019488; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.30.202 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP From: William Dudley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:20:20 -0000 That got me a lot further, but now the problem is this: ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 (61/61) ===>>> Currently installed version: arj-3.10.22_4 ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/archivers/arj ===>>> Launching 'make checksum' for archivers/arj in background ===>>> Gathering dependency list for archivers/arj from ports ===>>> Forcing update for /usr/ports/devel/autoconf ===>>> Launching child to reinstall autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 >> autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 (62/62) ===>>> No valid installed port, or port directory given ===>>> Try portmaster --help ===>>> Update for autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Update for arj-3.10.22_4 failed ===>>> Aborting update I don't understand if this is a problem with arj or autoconf, but I don't want to delete arj, because other packages depend on it, and I don't want to delete them. I tried "pkg lock arj" and that didn't seem to do anything, in that portmaster -af still wants to upgrade arj. Now what? How do I get portmaster -af to ignore arj? Or how do I fix whatever the complaint is about arj? Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:53 PM, William Dudley wrote: > Thanks. > > I didn't know pkg worked on ports, I thought it was for packages (i.e. > pre-packaged > binaries). Now I'm on my way. I think. > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:29:27AM -0400, William Dudley wrote: >> > I'm using freebsd-update to move from 8.4 RELEASE to 9.3 WHATEVER >> > >> > I'm trying to upgrade my ports >> > >> > I run portmaster -af >> > >> > lots of messages, and then this: >> > >> > >> > ===>>> The security/chkrootkit port has been deleted: Has expired: >> Fails to >> > build with new utmpx >> > ===>>> Aborting update >> > >> > and portmaster stops without updating anything. >> > >> > How do I get past this. >> > >> > /usr/ports/security/chkrootkit DOES NOT EXIST so I can't do "make >> > uninstall" there. >> >> How about 'pkg delete chkrootkit'? >> >> -- >> Herbert >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 21:22:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343E1993DEE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2AD91260 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:22:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by iecvh10 with SMTP id vh10so65493225iec.3 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:22:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B1c4fAj0JgDCfIVG+ziLovl9kXORPNk9rf3hrcQLz8Q=; b=SPcdoZ+OuCQU6yIlT1RBnGAfwG1nYX5aPqwCOcwbeXFl3LYustJu8IOR/8+clfc7qN 5JVacZ0AbXGfFlrc5X+7l+78T1hRgSb8MvR2aB1CGu6h9RiDV6Ytv7XDdyRjP3r7EEvH ElgMiGwGBh6llzWSHwji7kAXjEF54ysOkeKpIHXcwcJaZURHj6gRIUV6cRev7G30z3n0 s6vVlVNnHva3PjVByggXDzTabiG7GKKnpzUTrJ/bmNOwUiszfipnJWQxnmJDhhpJrHR2 t3cwAYb62UZGaEqBpKa285m0g83RQO+q2XPAcEwtCHZ2NhmGkZLHUeSOXY+fe3ODV3N3 a7ww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.15.153 with SMTP id 25mr52843434iop.44.1435872157309; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.30.202 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:22:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP From: William Dudley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:22:38 -0000 I tried "pkg install autoconf", figuring autoconf was broken. Now pkg wants to remove approx 50 packages, some quite crucial, just to install autoconf. WTF? Why can't I just install autoconf? Linux package management is SO much easier. Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:20 PM, William Dudley wrote: > That got me a lot further, but now the problem is this: > > ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 (61/61) > > ===>>> Currently installed version: arj-3.10.22_4 > ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/archivers/arj > > ===>>> Launching 'make checksum' for archivers/arj in background > ===>>> Gathering dependency list for archivers/arj from ports > ===>>> Forcing update for /usr/ports/devel/autoconf > ===>>> Launching child to reinstall autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 > > ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 >> autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 (62/62) > > ===>>> No valid installed port, or port directory given > ===>>> Try portmaster --help > > > ===>>> Update for autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for arj-3.10.22_4 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > I don't understand if this is a problem with arj or autoconf, but I don't > want to delete arj, because > other packages depend on it, and I don't want to delete them. I tried > "pkg lock arj" and that didn't > seem to do anything, in that portmaster -af still wants to upgrade arj. > > Now what? How do I get portmaster -af to ignore arj? Or how do I fix > whatever the complaint is > about arj? > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:53 PM, William Dudley wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> I didn't know pkg worked on ports, I thought it was for packages (i.e. >> pre-packaged >> binaries). Now I'm on my way. I think. >> >> Bill Dudley >> >> >> This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:29:27AM -0400, William Dudley wrote: >>> > I'm using freebsd-update to move from 8.4 RELEASE to 9.3 WHATEVER >>> > >>> > I'm trying to upgrade my ports >>> > >>> > I run portmaster -af >>> > >>> > lots of messages, and then this: >>> > >>> > >>> > ===>>> The security/chkrootkit port has been deleted: Has expired: >>> Fails to >>> > build with new utmpx >>> > ===>>> Aborting update >>> > >>> > and portmaster stops without updating anything. >>> > >>> > How do I get past this. >>> > >>> > /usr/ports/security/chkrootkit DOES NOT EXIST so I can't do "make >>> > uninstall" there. >>> >>> How about 'pkg delete chkrootkit'? >>> >>> -- >>> Herbert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 21:33:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9195C9920EC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@oslo.ath.cx) Received: from oslo.ath.cx (oslo.ath.cx [IPv6:2a01:4f8:200:42e4::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oslo.ath.cx", Issuer "oslo.ath.cx" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7FF31950 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@oslo.ath.cx) Received: by oslo.ath.cx (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f6505645 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:33:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:33:56 +0200 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-ID: <20150702213356.GB2863@oslo.ath.cx> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+95 (3bbb1f569eb1) (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:33:59 -0000 On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 05:20:19PM -0400, William Dudley wrote: > Now what? How do I get portmaster -af to ignore arj? Or how do I fix > whatever the complaint is > about arj? >From 'man portmaster': -x avoid building or updating ports that match this pattern. Can be specified more than once. If a port is not already installed the exclude pattern will be run against the directory name from /usr/ports. -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 21:46:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B618499272F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@oslo.ath.cx) Received: from oslo.ath.cx (oslo.ath.cx [IPv6:2a01:4f8:200:42e4::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oslo.ath.cx", Issuer "oslo.ath.cx" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FFD814D9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@oslo.ath.cx) Received: by oslo.ath.cx (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9a255eb8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:46:04 +0200 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-ID: <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+95 (3bbb1f569eb1) (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:46:06 -0000 On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 05:20:19PM -0400, William Dudley wrote: > That got me a lot further, but now the problem is this: > > ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 (61/61) > > ===>>> Currently installed version: arj-3.10.22_4 > ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/archivers/arj > > ===>>> Launching 'make checksum' for archivers/arj in background > ===>>> Gathering dependency list for archivers/arj from ports > ===>>> Forcing update for /usr/ports/devel/autoconf > ===>>> Launching child to reinstall autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 > > ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 >> autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 (62/62) > > ===>>> No valid installed port, or port directory given > ===>>> Try portmaster --help > > > ===>>> Update for autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for arj-3.10.22_4 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > I don't understand if this is a problem with arj or autoconf, but I don't > want to delete arj, because > other packages depend on it, and I don't want to delete them. I tried "pkg > lock arj" and that didn't > seem to do anything, in that portmaster -af still wants to upgrade arj. What's the output of 'pkg version -x autoconf'? Try to remove those packages first and then run portmaster again! -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 21:52:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4497399292A for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E39961B9F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t62Lq6EA093774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t62Lq6Uh093771; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:52:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Dudley cc: "Herbert J. Skuhra" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:52:06 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:52:09 -0000 On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, William Dudley wrote: > Thanks. > > I didn't know pkg worked on ports, I thought it was for packages (i.e. > pre-packaged > binaries). Now I'm on my way. I think. Packages are what you get when a port is compiled. This might help: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/pkg.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 2 23:30:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24D8993BBE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com (mail-yk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF72C1E2F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by ykfy125 with SMTP id y125so82533317ykf.1 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:30:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O+u+zP8h9HJwaptCUtSXGUhlygKOHC2puJq93nxVZc4=; b=swKbpklXlYeUG5Q4vw2jgMO5DkL5LwUzG6aoo5+3H34hS0qJ8OEeYkdY5buw81kKSK pOvygji/dOzeTk5arVJAg8GY1q+6GOE+RHC2gJLTUCWwE7IEhWR84Qi8qVfOCXM9fjMS 2vJEjVjIlTcWaD7QPRg5JGCyq+2RWljnnroJGShQLBvvYl/aPuCJzdYnvvfupXp3WuC8 iMPZz1Tz5SwyunOoj+7w7yaZAb5u58lKRhCQz699nbfaDzTyn1mGz5r1+NJ0r2Zo7/Vq 6gvN44XJb/Kxa+S5shgAqJeXvUbMVejZWSpQgSDbAf/uRrEdYLToUHEjawf0jIjNbZqP 4Clg== X-Received: by 10.129.45.68 with SMTP id t65mr42508871ywt.152.1435879831854; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.27.26] (mail.casano.com. 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Dudley Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:30:33 -0000 On 07/02/2015 05:46 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > pkg version -x autoconf pkg version -x autoconf autoconf-wrapper-20101119 < autoconf~pkg-renamed~BF2E-2.13.000227_6 = autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 = What does that mean? "man pkg" doesn't explain any of that. Thanks, Bill Dudley user of FreeBSD since 2000, but obviously not an expert. 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[184.100.80.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h2sm6574043igv.2.2015.07.02.16.57.53 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:57:54 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Bret Busby Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questions about current stable version of freebsd regarding drivers and desktop environment In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <86fv56yuww.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:58:02 -0000 Bret Busby writes: > Hello. > > I have an Acer V3-772G laptop computer that has an Intel Haswell > i7-4702QM CPU and integrated Intel HD Graphics 4600 graphics controller, > and an nvidia GEForce GT750M graphics device, and the system has 32GB of > RAM. > > From the freebsd web site, I understand that version 10.1 is the latest > stable version of freebsd. > > Please advise as to whether this has drivers available for the above > system. > > Also, on the freebsd web site, at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html ; > in the freebsd handbook, > Chapter 6 The X Window System 6.8 Desktop Environments , > is indicated in 6.8.1 GNOME, that GNOME 2 is available for the current > stable version of freebsd; which I understand is freebsd v 10.1. > > Please confirm that GNOME 2 is available for the current stable version > of freebsd. > > I am trying to get a reasonably reliable operating system running on the > Acer V3-772G, with the GNOME 2 desktop environment. > > Thank you in anticipation. The Haswell integrated GPU isn't supported yet (the driver's being worked on in the -CURRENT branch), but the Nvidia GPU should work fine. GNOME 2 no longer exists. MATE is available for installation, if that's what you mean. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 00:22:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF91993647 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 00:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x229.google.com (mail-yk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623A62405 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 00:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by ykdy1 with SMTP id y1so83308748ykd.2 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1hnn8HjetNMptO9UEsFCozNuXxOeO9RV75ZcpRHj/TY=; b=f6Fy4XV+tsf1JUc2MY5hx3T8gPz3RKNdwA9ITw06TiElspW8upUpj2qOC7sENxwhQa TWm8As9LL3vBQ4v20IZJyANMVIfvLBscItwWFo7HwccAulhMZnC4tsO/Dp7xVqZfPHfy eLe/2YXA7mDjTRvcmJCX0kKcr0GKhUpcoEzQlevlE5e4YoMI/mk75abU7/w45dSeG6/4 AP0BQqO9CWEEkBML4c134BmMOBqzWRK6/k2l7mME5mqhO+x0SkW19DoGGDwEbSBUkmSu SF5F80acmr6s0rYGYokKLabDTW3Uip0J0jWGgh9hFfcUESFRmi3TZRF/VT6igDXAlYcV +j0Q== X-Received: by 10.170.139.135 with SMTP id g129mr18943893ykc.75.1435882942391; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.27.26] (mail.casano.com. [98.109.205.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c6sm7276043ywe.12.2015.07.02.17.22.21 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5595D5BC.7050305@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:22:20 -0400 From: "William F. Dudley Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 00:22:23 -0000 So, this happened: prompt> portmaster -af -x arj -x faad2 -x libutempter -x ruby -x tcl (lots of output deleted) ===>>> Returning to update check of installed ports ===>>> No origin available for tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 ===>>> Cannot continue ===>>> Aborting update SO I try to delete the package. I'd already tried "pkg delete tcl" and gotten "Package(s) not found!", so now this: prompt> pkg delete tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Package(s) not found! So portmaster is complaining about tcl, but tcl isn't installed, and -x doesn't work either. How do I get past this monster? Thanks, Bill Dudley On 07/02/2015 05:46 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 05:20:19PM -0400, William Dudley wrote: >> That got me a lot further, but now the problem is this: >> >> ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 (61/61) >> >> ===>>> Currently installed version: arj-3.10.22_4 >> ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/archivers/arj >> >> ===>>> Launching 'make checksum' for archivers/arj in background >> ===>>> Gathering dependency list for archivers/arj from ports >> ===>>> Forcing update for /usr/ports/devel/autoconf >> ===>>> Launching child to reinstall autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 >> >> ===>>> All >> arj-3.10.22_4 >> autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 (62/62) >> >> ===>>> No valid installed port, or port directory given >> ===>>> Try portmaster --help >> >> >> ===>>> Update for autoconf~pkg-renamed~FEE5-2.69 failed >> ===>>> Aborting update >> >> ===>>> Update for arj-3.10.22_4 failed >> ===>>> Aborting update >> >> I don't understand if this is a problem with arj or autoconf, but I don't >> want to delete arj, because >> other packages depend on it, and I don't want to delete them. I tried "pkg >> lock arj" and that didn't >> seem to do anything, in that portmaster -af still wants to upgrade arj. > What's the output of 'pkg version -x autoconf'? Try to remove those > packages first and then run portmaster again! > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 00:50:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FB7993962 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 00:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF6AA2B1E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 00:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t630o7gQ037275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t630o7It037272; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:50:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "William F. Dudley Jr." cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP In-Reply-To: <5595D5BC.7050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> <5595D5BC.7050305@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:50:07 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 00:50:10 -0000 On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: > So, this happened: > > prompt> portmaster -af -x arj -x faad2 -x libutempter -x ruby -x tcl > > (lots of output deleted) > > ===>>> Returning to update check of installed ports > > ===>>> No origin available for tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 > > > ===>>> Cannot continue > ===>>> Aborting update > > SO I try to delete the package. > I'd already tried "pkg delete tcl" and gotten "Package(s) not found!", so now > this: > > prompt> pkg delete tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 > Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) > Package(s) not found! > > So portmaster is complaining about tcl, but tcl isn't installed, and -x > doesn't work either. > > How do I get past this monster? Please do not top-post, it makes replying more difficult. Tildes are special characters in the shell, so try it again, but use single ticks to prevent the shell from expanding the filename: pkg delete 'tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 01:08:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A2B993C18 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 01:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x229.google.com (mail-yk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C737F10C7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 01:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by ykdy1 with SMTP id y1so84022585ykd.2 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:08:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4j+FTO/7jC65G7C8eLMkDYh0bdvoVr55ai38V9JZdy4=; b=KJ5aB1NBD1Rb7P55GTvaEkHhTLJLctQwhoujbWv46qh8Ayzme5M/VeYa87W1OA7skt FYDHr/tjFi7KgFvwWUh11BPIXSthL5Zn3KKxxccT+ODrCkhKI5nYaJ+xClnVPsHhOjzA yB7stuW41Cxcn8HBYKteAb1uc6kAvuxDYdf/Pl3MtP2tPDph6Zh8/VPpOpbX42smTvPq LvNGGlC7b3nRYRoL6QDMcRd/VGIC4cPUn9iHfe2z9alFTw7UT+aNPGSTtukCD1Uzbnr2 Kc4YTPjo4HKAKl38muzzCQYEHizBLdz08NuFkRArhgVthz4n1TLT5gCoy4gwqAOkSmML HYeA== X-Received: by 10.13.242.67 with SMTP id b64mr38712278ywf.74.1435885717982; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.27.26] (mail.casano.com. [98.109.205.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r205sm7376977ywr.25.2015.07.02.18.08.37 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5595E094.9000506@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:08:36 -0400 From: "William F. Dudley Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150702214604.GC2863@oslo.ath.cx> <5595D5BC.7050305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 01:08:39 -0000 On 07/02/2015 08:50 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: > >> So, this happened: >> >> prompt> portmaster -af -x arj -x faad2 -x libutempter -x ruby -x tcl >> >> (lots of output deleted) >> >> ===>>> Returning to update check of installed ports >> >> ===>>> No origin available for tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 >> >> >> ===>>> Cannot continue >> ===>>> Aborting update >> >> SO I try to delete the package. >> I'd already tried "pkg delete tcl" and gotten "Package(s) not >> found!", so now this: >> >> prompt> pkg delete tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 >> Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) >> Package(s) not found! >> >> So portmaster is complaining about tcl, but tcl isn't installed, and >> -x doesn't work either. >> >> How do I get past this monster? > > Please do not top-post, it makes replying more difficult. > > Tildes are special characters in the shell, so try it again, but use > single ticks to prevent the shell from expanding the filename: > > pkg delete 'tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1' Adding the ticks made no difference. I'm at a loss as to how to get past this. pkg delete 'tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1' Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Package(s) not found! Thanks, Bill Dudley From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 02:08:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA29E993861 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CEE9114A for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 139063F745 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 22:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5595EE90.5050105@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 22:08:16 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: slightly off topic: SMART error values for seagate drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 02:08:24 -0000 Is anyone familiar with exactly how the raw_read_error_rate, reallocated_sector_count, seek_error_rate, hardware_crc_recovered, and udma_crc_error_count values work for seagate drives? AFAIK at least some of these fields list the (average?) number of sectors between errors, and thus a higher raw value is better ...I think. I have several apparently healthy seagate drives with very high rrer/ser/her raw values that seem to support this. I recently took an older disk out of storage, and as part of my system building procedure I always run a few tests over it before putting it back into service. Initially it also had high rrer/ser/her raw values. It failed a SMART extended test at about 40% remaining with a read failure, and the udma_crc_error_count jumped from 0 to 5. I know sometimes this can be just transient flakiness, so I just zeroed out the entire drive with dd to exercise all the sectors and force any remappings. Now, the reallocated_sector_count bumped up to 9, and the raw_read_error_rate and hardware_crc_recovered fields plummeted from the millions down to like 13 ...and have since slowly risen to the 40's. I can't tell what's going on with SMART values anymore, every vendor does things differently and nothing's ever documented. Is having the reallocated sectors value go up still a bad thing, or did seagate change what this means? Why did the read error rate and crc recovered fields bottom out, but the seek error rate is still in the clouds? Is this drive failing, or fine, or what? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 02:28:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B82993DAA for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B023A1C01 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:28:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.106.150.188]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id neTk1q01m4481jl01eTknd; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 03:27:44 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [81.106.150.188] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=JuUM15MC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:117 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:17 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=yEdEr6MRgwAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=j9nDSXTfFJhM8NtkZUAA:9 a=i89wmMABHIe9ljUC:21 a=8TqA9ShfTb8dm06Q:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0123C88614; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 03:27:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 03:27:43 +0100 From: Ken Moffat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slightly off topic: SMART error values for seagate drives Message-ID: <20150703022743.GA5293@milliways> References: <5595EE90.5050105@sneakertech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5595EE90.5050105@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 02:28:55 -0000 On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 10:08:16PM -0400, Quartz wrote: > Is anyone familiar with exactly how the raw_read_error_rate, > reallocated_sector_count, seek_error_rate, hardware_crc_recovered, and > udma_crc_error_count values work for seagate drives? > > AFAIK at least some of these fields list the (average?) number of sectors > between errors, and thus a higher raw value is better ...I think. I have > several apparently healthy seagate drives with very high rrer/ser/her raw > values that seem to support this. > > I recently took an older disk out of storage, and as part of my system > building procedure I always run a few tests over it before putting it back > into service. Initially it also had high rrer/ser/her raw values. It failed > a SMART extended test at about 40% remaining with a read failure, and the > udma_crc_error_count jumped from 0 to 5. I know sometimes this can be just > transient flakiness, so I just zeroed out the entire drive with dd to > exercise all the sectors and force any remappings. Now, the > reallocated_sector_count bumped up to 9, and the raw_read_error_rate and > hardware_crc_recovered fields plummeted from the millions down to like 13 > ...and have since slowly risen to the 40's. > > I can't tell what's going on with SMART values anymore, every vendor does > things differently and nothing's ever documented. Is having the reallocated > sectors value go up still a bad thing, or did seagate change what this > means? Why did the read error rate and crc recovered fields bottom out, but > the seek error rate is still in the clouds? Is this drive failing, or fine, > or what? > Based on a small number of low-end consumer-level desktop machines, my experience is that an increasing reallocated sector count is a bad sign. In theory, we ought to be able to run with a number of reallocated sectors - but I only really notice when sectors become (temporarily) inaccessible. Generally, you get what you pay for - and the sorts of drives I buy are built down to a price. ĸen -- This one goes up to eleven! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 02:48:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0D499403C for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 402902210 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t632m0W2066087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 20:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t632m0dm066084; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 20:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 20:48:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Quartz cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: slightly off topic: SMART error values for seagate drives In-Reply-To: <5595EE90.5050105@sneakertech.com> Message-ID: References: <5595EE90.5050105@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:48:01 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 02:48:03 -0000 On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, Quartz wrote: > I can't tell what's going on with SMART values anymore, every vendor does > things differently and nothing's ever documented. Is having the reallocated > sectors value go up still a bad thing, or did seagate change what this means? > Why did the read error rate and crc recovered fields bottom out, but the seek > error rate is still in the clouds? Is this drive failing, or fine, or what? Reallocated sectors increasing is bad. Seagate has one or two spurious values that are high and always increasing, but that's not one of them. Time to replace that drive. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 03:06:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CB3994237 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 03:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x234.google.com (mail-yk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00B672D43 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 03:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by ykfy125 with SMTP id y125so85825430ykf.1 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:06:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=qX8/md98Lg2E9iRektQSN3aLiUloS3+uIK/2kuoMFMk=; b=TEnL7t7YexBL2UAmrp6MzMrFtHRJtVSzD0MtYqiA4bNdWIBcGluZohh86Ut91qTP+/ iTuVXHL9sGUZbpHpBUx0cf9zRNhD8EasbAIsr4kQXKTJySOyIbr5KhNo6cEkd7sUpu2N xZEkL7O2Et+h5pCQINklI8iRRvlRQvTd/PSMugKKj2tSyCWpYb/zSceZDqaMKAf9Q/Q+ 8Y8zWMXUjAk7WnV2t/NezsZDJPxoLKUH0TNb4KrJuIad4+eCIox+Etde8qjlWdssNJVj JjCXQYTyK/Pf/JDZUdgoS2vvNgFfu2+21GnTmkZuJq6JBitBu8beE4Mhqsw3DEFtcOjJ KCPQ== X-Received: by 10.13.231.133 with SMTP id q127mr40424787ywe.66.1435892812114; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.27.26] (mail.casano.com. [98.109.205.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y84sm7675543ywd.28.2015.07.02.20.06.51 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:06:50 -0400 From: "William F. Dudley Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kpneal@pobox.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 03:06:53 -0000 On 07/02/2015 10:35 PM, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 05:20:19PM -0400, William Dudley wrote: >> I don't understand if this is a problem with arj or autoconf, but I don't >> want to delete arj, because >> other packages depend on it, and I don't want to delete them. I tried "pkg >> lock arj" and that didn't >> seem to do anything, in that portmaster -af still wants to upgrade arj. >> >> Now what? How do I get portmaster -af to ignore arj? Or how do I fix >> whatever the complaint is >> about arj? > I haven't been following this thread closely, but I wanted to ask: Is there > a good reason to use portmaster? > > With pkg it is easy to get and use binary packages. > > And with poudriere it is fairly straightforward to do bulk builds of > packages without touching your regular installed system. It even lets you > use custom options for particular ports if you like. > > I've started updating /usr/ports, running poudriere, and then upgrading > with pkg all daily. It's much more reliable than messing with the installed > software I'm currently attempting to use while upgrading it. > The reason I'm going through this pain is because I'm following the instructions here: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/installation.html And it says "users of systems being upgraded from FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE or earlier will be prompted by freebsd-update(8) to rebuild all third-party applications (e.g., ports installed from the ports tree)". So I need to rebuild the ports. I'd just as soon replace all the ports that I've built with pre-built packages; this is so much more complicated than updating packages on Linux, where it's absolutely trivial. But I like having a FreeBSD machine as mail and web server, so I stick with it despite the difficulty. Is there a *simple* way to just replace all the ports I've built with the packaged equivalents? Right now I can't get past this: prompt> portmaster -af -x arj -x faad2 -x libutempter -x ruby -x tcl ===>>> Returning to update check of installed ports ===>>> No origin available for tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 ===>>> Cannot continue ===>>> Aborting update and it craps out complaining about tcl, even though I told it to ignore tcl. And I pkg deleted tcl and tk. And still it complains about tcl. I've just read a bit of the docs for poudriere and it looks like another nightmare. It wants me to use ZFS, for starters, which means more disks that I don't have room for. I have zero confidence that poudriere will work without throwing tons of errors. I don't need complicated right now, I need simple. I just want to update the machine from 8.4 to 9.3, update the packages, and then ignore it for a few weeks to months. The reason my ports are so out of date is because it's such a nightmare to keep them updated. I hate working with ports and packages -- it's always a descent into dependency hell. Bill Dudley From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 04:31:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8A994EC3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 04:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cary@sdf.org) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AB7157B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 04:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cary@sdf.org) Received: from [67.49.10.59] ([67.49.10.59:54713] helo=bsdstb.Belkin.invalid) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D5/B1-09573-FFF06955; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 04:30:55 +0000 From: Cary To: "William F. Dudley Jr." Cc: kpneal@pobox.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP In-Reply-To: <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> (wfdudley@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:30:54 -0700 Message-ID: <86h9plsw01.fsf@bsdstb.Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 04:31:05 -0000 "William F. Dudley Jr." writes: > On 07/02/2015 10:35 PM, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 05:20:19PM -0400, William Dudley wrote: >>> I don't understand if this is a problem with arj or autoconf, but I don't >>> want to delete arj, because >>> other packages depend on it, and I don't want to delete them. I tried "pkg >>> lock arj" and that didn't >>> seem to do anything, in that portmaster -af still wants to upgrade arj. >>> >>> Now what? How do I get portmaster -af to ignore arj? Or how do I fix >>> whatever the complaint is >>> about arj? >> I haven't been following this thread closely, but I wanted to ask: Is there >> a good reason to use portmaster? >> >> With pkg it is easy to get and use binary packages. >> >> And with poudriere it is fairly straightforward to do bulk builds of >> packages without touching your regular installed system. It even lets you >> use custom options for particular ports if you like. >> >> I've started updating /usr/ports, running poudriere, and then upgrading >> with pkg all daily. It's much more reliable than messing with the installed >> software I'm currently attempting to use while upgrading it. >> > The reason I'm going through this pain is because I'm following the > instructions here: > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/installation.html > > And it says "users of systems being upgraded from FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE or > earlier will be prompted by freebsd-update(8) to rebuild all third-party > applications (e.g., ports installed from the ports tree)". So I need to > rebuild the ports. > > I'd just as soon replace all the ports that I've built with pre-built > packages; this is so much > more complicated than updating packages on Linux, where it's absolutely > trivial. But I like > having a FreeBSD machine as mail and web server, so I stick with it > despite the difficulty. > > Is there a *simple* way to just replace all the ports I've built with > the packaged equivalents? > > Right now I can't get past this: > > prompt> portmaster -af -x arj -x faad2 -x libutempter -x ruby -x tcl > > > > ===>>> Returning to update check of installed ports > > ===>>> No origin available for tcl~pkg-renamed~9E62-8.4.19_3,1 > > > ===>>> Cannot continue > ===>>> Aborting update > > and it craps out complaining about tcl, even though I told it to ignore > tcl. And I pkg deleted > tcl and tk. And still it complains about tcl. > > Bill Dudley > > > _______________________________________________ Hi Bill. Looking at the man page for pkg-delete prompt> man pkg-delete it shows the command accepts glob patterns. To delete the tcl package you might try prompt> pkg delete -f -g tcl\* Cary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 11:58:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8076899491B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2050E28BE for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by wiar9 with SMTP id r9so128990087wia.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 04:58:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3s5/KmkYDWmhKSfLapfVegdkJswojypItk1/CQfnTdQ=; b=jAwl3qhjdHZNpGd1P/U1X8Zbg5mLRZEYJaAUs3gHNVOMoLhJMwiAKiAhE70XV1R8Yo YoeGXs/l9UrsujJjIM4CcNJFRwRqLNTPsqjbmQ2PadwfEysL6KSdNLGjFZwwTv2QMbMC WhXHzveb5F5i2dK2vxyhUJD58DWyREy78Em4pYUwYSsJmD1Czpqa2WYk3ovNW9ffqlV+ xXpRYb/eDcnNmmHiA7bDztrPSbzPzKkrKGlJI0hTr7NimwMFwfuPxqmlEieoNo9UOu42 i5xxOyRKcEejwHy86RegEnkt96INMj6Ua72XtQBbw3mEvRovophxOtVTWvWS39myO92+ yGcw== X-Received: by 10.194.222.137 with SMTP id qm9mr39438968wjc.43.1435924697658; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 04:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (4e5670d0.skybroadband.com. [78.86.112.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fm8sm13527116wib.9.2015.07.03.04.58.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 04:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:58:12 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-ID: <20150703125812.7359eefd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:58:20 -0000 On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:06:50 -0400 William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/installation.html > > And it says "users of systems being upgraded from FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE > or earlier will be prompted by freebsd-update(8) to rebuild all > third-party applications (e.g., ports installed from the ports > tree)". So I need to rebuild the ports. You don't need to rebuild them, just replace them with packages built against the new base system using pkg. I expect the freebsd-update message was written before pkg was created. I think at this point it might be simpler to do a pkg delete -a and install the packages you want. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 12:09:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0163994FC5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7B41291 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [88.151.27.41] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAzmO-0001DO-4n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:09:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAzmM-000MoN-Vx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:09:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:09:14 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-Id: <20150703130914.1608e67e890df138a4d1dd1b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 24227@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:09:26 -0000 On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:06:50 -0400 "William F. Dudley Jr." wrote: > Is there a *simple* way to just replace all the ports I've built with > the packaged equivalents? I went through doing just that some months ago as part of switching to pkg. The approach I used was to use pkg_cutleaves to get a list of stuff that wasn't installed as a dependency. Then I looked through it and removed some I didn't care about winding up with my wanted list. Then I used pkg_delete to remove everything, installed pkg and used pkg install to install everything from my wanted list - which of course picked up all the dependencies. Ever since then all I've needed to do to keep it all up to date is an occasional pkg upgrade and build the couple of ports for which I have non-standard options. I really don't miss portupgrade, it was a great tool but pkg is much better. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 13:07:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63209993CBB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 196312F68 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42AD83CF03; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:07:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t63D78B7002345; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:07:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:07:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-Id: <20150703150708.f99fdcb6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150703130914.1608e67e890df138a4d1dd1b@sohara.org> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <20150703130914.1608e67e890df138a4d1dd1b@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:07:18 -0000 On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:09:14 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:06:50 -0400 > "William F. Dudley Jr." wrote: > > > Is there a *simple* way to just replace all the ports I've built with > > the packaged equivalents? > > I went through doing just that some months ago as part of > switching to pkg. The approach I used was to use pkg_cutleaves to get a list > of stuff that wasn't installed as a dependency. Then I looked through it and > removed some I didn't care about winding up with my wanted list. > > Then I used pkg_delete to remove everything, installed pkg and > used pkg install to install everything from my wanted list - which of > course picked up all the dependencies. > > Ever since then all I've needed to do to keep it all up to date is > an occasional pkg upgrade and build the couple of ports for which I have > non-standard options. In the current case (upgrade and packager change), I think starting from scratch is the easiest way. My suggestion would be to eliminate all installed ports, and make sure that required contents of /usr/local/etc is backed up, then install what's needed. A list may help, but the most important thing is concentrating on "top level" ports, which is the software you _really_ want to use. Let pkg care about the dependencies. If you find something missing, it's easy to add it with pkg. Especially if you don't have the requirement to use non-default options (for ports), the precompiled packages are fine to use. That "top level" ports list can be created from a listing of currently installed packages _or_ can also be created manually. You _know_ which software you want to use. Then the list can be fed to "pkg install", and the current (!) versions will be available. > I really don't miss portupgrade, it was a great tool but pkg is > much better. Now that binary updating is fully working, the need to build from source has moved to specific edge cases. The simple idea of "getting installed software updated" does not force you to go via source anymore - pkg can do it faster. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 13:36:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A2E994269 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DE391589 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t63DaqWk030544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Jul 2015 07:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t63Daq6w030541; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 07:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 07:36:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: RW cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP In-Reply-To: <20150703125812.7359eefd@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <20150703125812.7359eefd@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 07:36:52 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:36:56 -0000 On Fri, 3 Jul 2015, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:06:50 -0400 > William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: > >> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/installation.html >> >> And it says "users of systems being upgraded from FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE >> or earlier will be prompted by freebsd-update(8) to rebuild all >> third-party applications (e.g., ports installed from the ports >> tree)". So I need to rebuild the ports. > > > You don't need to rebuild them, just replace them with packages built > against the new base system using pkg. I expect the freebsd-update > message was written before pkg was created. > > I think at this point it might be simpler to do a pkg delete -a and > install the packages you want. That is still the same with building from ports. Building ports with some of the old ones still in place can cause problems. The fastest and easiest way is to get a list of installed packages, delete them all, then reinstall from that list. The portmaster man page shows a procedure for this, but it has not (yet) been updated for use with pkg. An updated version is here: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/rebuilding-all-ports-with-portmaster.51210/ Yes, a PR has been submitted to update the portmaster man page: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=191166 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 14:27:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EB2994BBC for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BEDA2F7B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t63ERAoI068942 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:27:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t63ERAoI068942 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t63ERAoI068942; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be zero-gravitas.local Message-ID: <55969BB7.2080602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:27:03 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <20150703141324.GA72399@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20150703141324.GA72399@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7khaxKdfIrRR1Qt7Wu2UPXKSiVcTm20ci" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:27:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7khaxKdfIrRR1Qt7Wu2UPXKSiVcTm20ci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015/07/03 15:13, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:06:50PM -0400, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: >> > I've just read a bit of the docs for poudriere and it looks like ano= ther=20 >> > nightmare. It wants me >> > to use ZFS, for starters, which means more disks that I don't have r= oom=20 >> > for. I have > ZFS will run on a single disk. But ZFS is, in some ways, its own advent= ure. > So no ZFS. OK... As I recall, you *don't* need ZFS with recent versions of poudriere. ZFS is recommended, and it certainly makes the build-environment wrangling that poudriere does easier. But not having it doesn't prevent you using poudriere any more. See here: https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/wiki Cheers, Matthew --7khaxKdfIrRR1Qt7Wu2UPXKSiVcTm20ci Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVlpu+XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTn8EcP/09rNna23dDkrJtr0iU2N/GC +yl6H3EEuRZxfholjk6cftr+tlR+Ru5/DK9szRzkOrOx8KMElhwn6Oaaoh4mGhEk Jr8ZeHWv3bLKwtkTgqRecYHyCKmVvd92ROnSVUQNeCXMRKuKPKFB714XjjyO37ra XX6/7s3wKLtsLH4B+XZtujsm3i+Ocv0bYJiMk6Ixjbmx7ABe9YGD6gbDFxWnMiEU Q1zmmor/gidY78ovedR3+CFWlvGdLAKfsGFskStd9EgOxiYWV7Ns3e6anHpDxaGO 093u7YU80x9MxKDqs8PMj97/HuBhIa0p/uwrJc1uzzMSPNao1cCJlM/KCoHNxr1k t7M/DiuFsWDk4+lCUsuchmV93TTgIRpQf72Or/yshbtU6mvbZdAkwXtLGDitNEuR tbhXxTBdzgjIChNkzlpl9szrIp0enQcNdmRsPSQDJRVCpyJDe15vZ76N4SNnJC8o 3dkw081VxypEMAVub7xapmxPmLNcmOZepiE33bJ6Cgh/u4hmD+RwR3fFWQ0h+xEU 5rIzjq+la1fIGErLTct3B1X4N9Mfvsa+wBgmX/vFPdq9DgpI510SDACdrEM92GCM XqgJ9lQxhrV4+1aim4BBC2OkqoVwwOOdBM3yPOU4Fj7EA3AdAVatn10N+UtYyCZy hHCJPLjlLxmvfcGBHzIs =8hU7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7khaxKdfIrRR1Qt7Wu2UPXKSiVcTm20ci-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 14:52:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4C7993207 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F1472515 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:52:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10B623CF15; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t63EqLun002698; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:52:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:52:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: kpneal@pobox.com Cc: "William F. Dudley Jr." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-Id: <20150703165221.1bba26b8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150703141324.GA72399@neutralgood.org> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <20150703141324.GA72399@neutralgood.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:52:26 -0000 On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:13:24 -0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:06:50PM -0400, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: > > need complicated right now, I need simple. I just want to update the > > machine from > > 8.4 to 9.3, update the packages, and then ignore it for a few weeks to > > months. The reason > > my ports are so out of date is because it's such a nightmare to keep > > them updated. > > I hate working with ports and packages -- it's always a descent into > > dependency hell. > > Use pkg with binary packages. Life is much easier. I used to use portmaster, > but with pkg and binary packages I don't see a need anymore. Fully agree. When you do not need custom compile-time options (or only need them in very few cases), using pkg is the way to go. It's so easy to install software and keep it updated. No "dependency hell" as sometimes seen on Linux where an update that went wrong could render your whole (!) system unusable... Sometimes, starting from scratch is far easier than doing the update cycle(s). An OS re-installation is quickly done, and armed with a list of your "top priority software", you can have pkg install everything that is needed. It will install the current version, and you'll be able to binarily update them whenever you wish. Similarly, freebsd-update works excellently for updating the OS without requiring to build from source. Using source today is only required for corner cases, for example when you need to set compile-time options for your ports or want to follow the -HEAD development branch of the operating system. Regarding "ports and/or packages": As it has been mentioned, ports and packages are basically the same thing, and pkg is the system's means to track what's installed on the system. So even if you build from source, you're using pkg (because first a package is built, then pkg installs that package from its local source). It's important to understand that simple fact. So my suggestion and summary would be: Use pkg, start from scratch, install what you need, and keep using pkg to update your installed ports. And note that "ports" means "packages" in this case. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 14:59:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D36F993307 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D18FE266B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igblr2 with SMTP id lr2so141977390igb.0 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 07:59:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=BF68Ab6hsNUFUxk02JWlPUEQLlyoAR7gmctiuoqM5ds=; b=nEqgh3OFZp5TBarQEFWkJA78LnIu/+sCJiPFU2+mq7kxQALS/G8CTGsvbo12qRgbh0 kepx7zo1VNSK93g75j6JkU1XQwtNw1f/kGt5dqqb0zVOn+EVJ209hEus4+qZYD+kLpsI o90iKAJs+GlTOwM5tc1O88i5ByTvi3QmUrads514YZhKJalab1AbsB9ZIxp+yZP4XvGz LOUYG56w5z54/eRzeMzKBhidmZeU94ZECwFvqOXC8n9mfZO+JJZAGXvEw2FqGM+28/wj HRPV1jtFrINBI4C8uthNletG2l3x/5rsSw7uS3iSeJELI/yrA6le+2cHvMi4KdwpXoNw xR4Q== X-Received: by 10.50.28.43 with SMTP id y11mr49496719igg.8.1435935555023; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 07:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (184-100-80-212.mpls.qwest.net. [184.100.80.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rj5sm3618937igc.2.2015.07.03.07.59.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 07:59:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP In-reply-to: <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 09:59:10 -0500 Message-ID: <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:59:22 -0000 William F. Dudley Jr. writes: > this is so much more complicated than updating packages on Linux, > where it's absolutely trivial. Statements like this drive me nuts. By your own admission, you're 100% ignorant of what's going on and what you're doing. So by what standard are you juding this to be "more complicated?" It's a foolish and inflammatory statement that achieves nothing. It's also vapid: a pianist who's never tried learning to play a saxaphone may as well say playing saxaphone is "more complicated." > Is there a *simple* way to just replace all the ports I've built with > the packaged equivalents? 1) Update to whatever FreeBSD version you're trying to update to 2) $ portmaster --list-origins > portlist 2a) Read over that list to ensure everything's there, and to remove build-time dependencies you don't want explicitly installed 3) $ pkg delete -a 4) $ pkg install `cat portlist` (note backticks) 5) $ pkg autoremove Since (as one of your reported error messages makes clear) you haven't updated your ports in a long time and had at least one port installed that no longer exists in the ports tree/package repository, it would be wise to presume there may be others. Also, since you've already deleted a port or two (which may be the cause of the error you're getting with the TCL package), you're going to have to go back over this thread to remind yourself what needs to be reinstalled. In the future, you might consider working with the people from whom you expect help rather than throwing a fit and disparaging their hard work. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 19:21:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979EE9944CD for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opendaddy@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10.hushmail.com [65.39.178.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.hushmail.com", Issuer "smtp.hushmail.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 733712658 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opendaddy@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 988F2C020D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w7.hushmail.com [65.39.178.32]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 80FCB41A40; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:47:00 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Compiling Ruby EventMachine on FreeBSD From: opendaddy@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20150703184700.80FCB41A40@smtp.hushmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:21:20 -0000 Hi! Trying to `gem install eventmachine` (https://github.com/eventmachine/eventmachine) on FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE but getting: Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. /usr/local/bin/ruby -r ./siteconf20150703-61665-1w426ue.rb extconf.rb checking for main() in -lssl... yes checking for main() in -lcrypto... yes checking for openssl/ssl.h... yes checking for openssl/err.h... yes checking for rb_trap_immediate in ruby.h,rubysig.h... no checking for rb_thread_blocking_region()... no checking for inotify_init() in sys/inotify.h... no checking for __NR_inotify_init in sys/syscall.h... no checking for writev() in sys/uio.h... yes checking for rb_wait_for_single_fd()... yes checking for rb_enable_interrupt()... no checking for rb_time_new()... yes checking for sys/event.h... yes checking for sys/queue.h... yes creating Makefile make "DESTDIR=" clean make "DESTDIR=" compiling binder.cpp compiling cmain.cpp compiling ed.cpp compiling em.cpp em.cpp:827:9: error: use of undeclared identifier 'rb_thread_select'; did you mean 'rb_thread_fd_select'? return EmSelect (maxsocket+1, &fdreads, &fdwrites, &fderrors, &tv); ^~~~~~~~ rb_thread_fd_select ./em.h:25:20: note: expanded from macro 'EmSelect' #define EmSelect rb_thread_select ^ /usr/local/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/intern.h:454:5: note: 'rb_thread_fd_select' declared here int rb_thread_fd_select(int, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, struct timeval *); ^ em.cpp:827:32: error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'rb_fdset_t *' with an rvalue of type 'fd_set *' return EmSelect (maxsocket+1, &fdreads, &fdwrites, &fderrors, &tv); ^~~~~~~~ /usr/local/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/intern.h:454:42: note: passing argument to parameter here int rb_thread_fd_select(int, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, struct timeval *); ^ em.cpp:946:6: error: use of undeclared identifier 'rb_thread_select'; did you mean 'rb_thread_fd_select'? EmSelect (0, NULL, NULL, NULL, &tv); ^~~~~~~~ rb_thread_fd_select ./em.h:25:20: note: expanded from macro 'EmSelect' #define EmSelect rb_thread_select ^ /usr/local/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/intern.h:454:5: note: 'rb_thread_fd_select' declared here int rb_thread_fd_select(int, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, struct timeval *); ^ 3 errors generated. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/home/opendaddy/test/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/eventmachine-1.0.3/ext make failed, exit code 1 Gem files will remain installed in /usr/home/opendaddy/test/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/eventmachine-1.0.3 for inspection. Results logged to /usr/home/opendaddy/test/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/extensions/x86_64-freebsd-10/2.2.0-static/eventmachine-1.0.3/gem_make.out An error occurred while installing eventmachine (1.0.3), and Bundler cannot continue. Make sure that `gem install eventmachine -v '1.0.3'` succeeds before bundling. # ruby -v ruby 2.2.0p0 (2014-12-25 revision 49005) [x86_64-freebsd10.1] Thanks! O.D. 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Dudley Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:53:28 -0000 Thanks to everybody for their help. I am now much further along in my upgrade, which was complicated by the fact that this is a running server, and I didn't want to interrupt the users more than a little bit, so "delete all the ports, install all the packages" was less than ideal for me. (And this is just barely above "hobby level" stuff, so I don't have the luxury of building up a new machine and cutting over to it after it's ready. The upgrade has to be done in place.) I have found that I can replace the old ports with packages a little bit at a time, thus minimizing the outages. The various bits of help with commands has been invaluable to me, and though I might have eventually figured this all out on my own, your help has greatly sped the process. I may sound like I'm some kind of noob, but in reality I've been running FreeBSD since very early on (pre-2000), but always as a "hobby", since being sysadmin wasn't my day job. So I've upgraded FreeBSD over many, many versions. And historically, upgrading the ports was always a giant pain in the neck. Now, it seems, the binary package management is finally working, and once I get all these legacy port builds out of the way, upgrades should be much simpler in the future. Again, thanks to all who responded. Bill Dudley On 07/03/2015 03:58 PM, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 09:59:10AM -0500, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >> In the future, you might consider working with the people from whom you >> expect help rather than throwing a fit and disparaging their hard work. > Whoah there. > > Everybody gets frustrated sometimes. Me, I've got a new IPv6 setup that > I'm having a hard time with. But the correct response is for the people > around the frustrated person to understand the frustration and just let > it go -- without comment. > > Let's hope our frustrated user goes the binary package route and has an > easy time of it. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 21:34:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED73B993E00 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8653E2773 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64605276AF; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:33:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t63LXotv002076; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:33:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:33:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William F. Dudley Jr." Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-Id: <20150703233350.51b6ea5c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5596F645.6030101@gmail.com> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> <5596F645.6030101@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:34:01 -0000 On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:53:25 -0400, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: > Thanks to everybody for their help. > > I am now much further along in my upgrade, which was complicated by the > fact that > this is a running server, and I didn't want to interrupt the users more > than a little > bit, so "delete all the ports, install all the packages" was less than > ideal for me. Couldn't you have a maintenance session in scheduled downtime when you know the load is low (over night or at the weekend)? Just a suggestion from my own experience: When I encounter the need for a _massive_ upgrade, I usually do a new installation on a separate system, disk, chroot environment or something like that and prepare and _check_ everything, then migrate the configuration. When "switch over" time has arrived, then I replace the "whole system". Of course I schedule a downtime for this (much fewer time than for the update work) and make sure no users are logged in. > (And this is just barely above "hobby level" stuff, so I don't have the > luxury of > building up a new machine and cutting over to it after it's ready. The > upgrade has > to be done in place.) A separate environment will do. If you don't use ZFS - no problem. Building and installing can go to a different path than /usr/local, so running software is not affected. With chroot or jails it can be done. > I have found that I can replace the old ports with packages a little bit > at a time, > thus minimizing the outages. This is also possible. Only when the build process has been successful, the installed package will be removed. Usually already _running_ programs aren't affected, but maybe you encounter problems when a dynamically loaded library (as a dependency) has been updated. > The various bits of help with commands has been invaluable to me, and > though I might > have eventually figured this all out on my own, your help has greatly > sped the process. I'd like to mention that reading the "pkg primer" as well as at least having a look at the available manpages is very helpful, too. You don't have to remember the content of all manpages, but know that they are there, and which pages contain what information (in case you need to look for something specific). EXAMPLES sections are also worth reading. > I may sound like I'm some kind of noob, but in reality I've been running > FreeBSD since very > early on (pre-2000), but always as a "hobby", since being sysadmin > wasn't my day job. No need for an excuse. Many things have been changed in FreeBSD recently. The ports tree is "all different", a new versioning tool has been introduced, the Makefiles changed, "staging" of ports is there, pkg, ... > So I've upgraded FreeBSD over many, many versions. And historically, > upgrading the ports > was always a giant pain in the neck. Now, it seems, the binary package > management is finally > working, and once I get all these legacy port builds out of the way, > upgrades should be > much simpler in the future. Definitely: with pkg this now works well for 99.9% of the cases. Both the system and the ports now support binary updating, and unless there is a good reason why you want to build from source, it's probably the way to go for most users. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 22:29:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6286B994876 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:29:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A532553 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:59685] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 4E/2F-21626-DAC07955; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:29:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.53] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZB9S9-0005lB-J4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <55970CA8.6020806@columbus.rr.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:28:56 -0400 From: Baho Utot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> <5596F645.6030101@gmail.com> <20150703233350.51b6ea5c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150703233350.51b6ea5c.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:29:11 -0000 On 07/03/15 17:33, Polytropon wrote: > > Definitely: with pkg this now works well for 99.9% of > the cases. Both the system and the ports now support > binary updating, and unless there is a good reason > why you want to build from source, it's probably the > way to go for most users. > > > I build from source so I can have something to complain about ;} Actually I am a recovering Linux user that has moved to FreeBSD. The AbsoluteFreeBSD book is great even if it is a little dated. Learned much from it. Poudriere is great, when I get my raspberry-pi2 on FreeBSD it will become my package repo as well as my name server and email server. Just have to learn how to run STABLE/CURRENT. It would be nice if the base system was also in pkg, but you can't have everything. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 3 23:06:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9DA994F93 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03B201431 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BACF3D017; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t63N6rMR002824; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:06:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:06:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP Message-Id: <20150704010653.3b7b3c08.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55970CA8.6020806@columbus.rr.com> References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> <5596F645.6030101@gmail.com> <20150703233350.51b6ea5c.freebsd@edvax.de> <55970CA8.6020806@columbus.rr.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:06:58 -0000 On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:28:56 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > Just have to learn how to run STABLE/CURRENT. Update your sources using SVN and follow the instructions provided in /usr/src/Makefile's header - that's all. :-) Also have a look at the documentation: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/synching.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/svn.html Before freebsd-update was present, this was the preferred way to update your OS. When you want to follow -STABLE or -CURRENT, it's still the way to go. Basically it's just a "make update" and a few other commands. > It would be nice if the base system was also in pkg, but you can't have > everything. This is because the OS is not a package, and it's not made from packages. Instead it's coming from its own source tree (different from what and how ports are being built). This is a common misconception or misunderstanding often found in Linux land where there is no distinction between "the OS" and "3rd party applications"; instead the OS is made from a selection of packages (where the distribution creator decides which package format and which packages to use to construct the "base system", quotes intended), and even the kernel can be considered a package. A failed updating process of "everything" (which usually means "update my applications") can render the whole system unusable. On FreeBSD, damaged ports do not affect the OS, it's still operational. The FreeBSD OS is "standardized" and maintained by different people than those responsible for the ports collection. You can see the wisdom in the fact that "everything else" is located in /usr/local, whereas the top level directory entries belong to the operating system. Delete /usr/local entirely and the OS will still boot and run. See "man hier" for details. That's why the OS cannot be accessible via pkg. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 00:27:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA11992051 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 00:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A0A41625 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 00:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t640RMQa090013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t640RMwD090010; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:27:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon cc: Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP In-Reply-To: <20150704010653.3b7b3c08.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> <5596F645.6030101@gmail.com> <20150703233350.51b6ea5c.freebsd@edvax.de> <55970CA8.6020806@columbus.rr.com> <20150704010653.3b7b3c08.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:27:22 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 00:27:43 -0000 On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:28:56 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > > You can see the wisdom in the fact that "everything else" is > located in /usr/local, whereas the top level directory entries > belong to the operating system. Delete /usr/local entirely and > the OS will still boot and run. See "man hier" for details. > > That's why the OS cannot be accessible via pkg. :-) Not yet, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6izhH5P1I&index=33&list=PLWW0CjV-TafY0NqFDvD4k31CtnX-CGn8f From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 02:39:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45769953F3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 02:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A54511CCD for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 02:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D1BD3F707 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597475F.2010301@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:39:27 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: slightly off topic: SMART error values for seagate drives References: <5595EE90.5050105@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 02:39:35 -0000 Just out of curiosity, does anyone think it's worth using this to stress-test ZFS at all? I'm wondering what would happen if I made this into a single drive pool and set copies=5 or something. (Obviously not with critical data though). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 04:27:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0EA995305 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 04:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11E022644 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 04:27:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 476643F71B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 00:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 00:27:15 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:27:18 -0000 What's the general opinion these days on the "best" utility for monitoring all the temperature probes, fan speeds, and other readouts from a motherboard? (One that doesn't need X and can be installed through pkg). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 08:45:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4DA8FD2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69F926BDE6 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local ([192.168.100.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t648irku090736 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 09:44:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t648irku090736 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t648irku090736; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host [192.168.100.2] claimed to be liminal.local Message-ID: <55979D04.10306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:44:52 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <86bnft1e4h.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150703195828.GA6560@neutralgood.org> <5596F645.6030101@gmail.com> <20150703233350.51b6ea5c.freebsd@edvax.de> <55970CA8.6020806@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <55970CA8.6020806@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9AmPMwlI3FcE5SJhdLtef4PfjFlwRKckF" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 08:45:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9AmPMwlI3FcE5SJhdLtef4PfjFlwRKckF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/07/2015 23:28, Baho Utot wrote: > It would be nice if the base system was also in pkg, but you can't have= > everything. If you're prepared to wait, you can. Base pkg's are coming... I believe they are still on track for 11.0-RELEASE. 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From: Colin Barnabas To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:57:26 -0000 diidur92 On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Quartz wrote: > What's the general opinion these days on the "best" utility for monitoring > all the temperature probes, fan speeds, and other readouts from a > motherboard? (One that doesn't need X and can be installed through pkg). > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 11:15:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9219B23 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B9C21F24 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19ED93F6F3; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 07:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597C05E.5010602@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 07:15:42 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Barnabas CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:15:46 -0000 On 2015-07-04 5:57 AM, Colin Barnabas wrote: > diidur92 I can't find any info on this or where to get it. The freebsd.org ports search, freshports.org, and Google all report not a single search result. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 13:07:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF089F32 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B37851A07 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E82F3D0E8; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:07:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t64D7hLA004442; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:07:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:07:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Message-Id: <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:07:53 -0000 On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 00:27:15 -0400, Quartz wrote: > What's the general opinion these days on the "best" utility for > monitoring all the temperature probes, fan speeds, and other readouts > from a motherboard? (One that doesn't need X and can be installed > through pkg). I've been using mbmon in the past, with xmbmon in X when needed. >From the manual: "mbmon used at the command line reports the temperatures, voltages and rpm (rounds per minute) of cooling fans." Is this what you're looking for? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 13:11:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC8A9040 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64A2B1C2E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-134.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t64DB0KH018781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: <5597DB64.5090402@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 08:17:15 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:11:08 -0000 On 07/04/15 05:03, Colin Barnabas wrote: > diidur92 > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Quartz wrote: > >> What's the general opinion these days on the "best" utility for monitoring >> all the temperature probes, fan speeds, and other readouts from a >> motherboard? (One that doesn't need X and can be installed through pkg). >> > Is this available on 9.3R, or only higher versions ? -- William A. 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Message-ID: <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:20:44 -0000 On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:07:42 +0200, Polytropon stated: > I've been using mbmon in the past, with xmbmon in X when needed. > From the manual: "mbmon used at the command line reports the > temperatures, voltages and rpm (rounds per minute) of cooling fans." > Is this what you're looking for? Port: sysutils/mbmon Moved: sysutils/xmbmon Date: 2014-01-31 Reason: Has expired: Use sysutils/xmbmon instead. This port will be removed soon -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 13:27:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B96E921F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D669104E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t64DRC6i096453 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:27:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t64DRC6i096453 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t64DRC6i096453; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6] claimed to be liminal.local Message-ID: <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:27:04 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ua5q60U2LcdVV6RW1O0tPnln4XaBpEkk7" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:27:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ua5q60U2LcdVV6RW1O0tPnln4XaBpEkk7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/07/2015 05:27, Quartz wrote: > What's the general opinion these days on the "best" utility for > monitoring all the temperature probes, fan speeds, and other readouts > from a motherboard? (One that doesn't need X and can be installed > through pkg). This depends on exactly what sort of hardware you have. There are different monitoring tools depending on your motherboard and processor. With modern CPUs there is usually an on-die thermal sensor which you can interrogate by loading a kernel module: see coretemp(4) and amdtemp(4) -- using these will let you read out CPU temperature using sysctl(1). Unfortunately access to other monitoring variables is less consistent. Probably your best bet is if you've a server class motherboard with some sort of lights-out management capability -- or indeed many other motherboards nowadays. In which case you should be able to load the ipmi(4) kernel module and install ipmitool(8) from ports to be able to query it. Using IPMI enables you to get, and possibly set, a lot of the stuff that's usually only accessible from the system bios, as well as access to on-board temperature sensors, PSU voltages, chassis intrusion sensors and fan speeds. Now, while the tool and the management interface is common to a lot of different manufacturers, exactly how the monitoring data is structured is not, so it might take a bit of shell scripting to massage the data into a usable form. 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Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:47:20 -0000 On 07/04/15 08:33, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 04/07/2015 05:27, Quartz wrote: >> What's the general opinion these days on the "best" utility for >> monitoring all the temperature probes, fan speeds, and other readouts >> from a motherboard? (One that doesn't need X and can be installed >> through pkg). > This depends on exactly what sort of hardware you have. There are > different monitoring tools depending on your motherboard and processor. > > With modern CPUs there is usually an on-die thermal sensor which you can > interrogate by loading a kernel module: see coretemp(4) and amdtemp(4) > -- using these will let you read out CPU temperature using sysctl(1). > > Unfortunately access to other monitoring variables is less consistent. > Probably your best bet is if you've a server class motherboard with some > sort of lights-out management capability -- or indeed many other > motherboards nowadays. In which case you should be able to load the > ipmi(4) kernel module and install ipmitool(8) from ports to be able to > query it. Using IPMI enables you to get, and possibly set, a lot of the > stuff that's usually only accessible from the system bios, as well as > access to on-board temperature sensors, PSU voltages, chassis intrusion > sensors and fan speeds. Now, while the tool and the management > interface is common to a lot of different manufacturers, exactly how the > monitoring data is structured is not, so it might take a bit of shell > scripting to massage the data into a usable form. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > I have both xmbmon & amdtemp installed, & I think amdtemp is giving bad values: [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:50:06am] 918 % sysctl -A | egrep '(temperature|usage)' dev.cpu.0.temperature: 12.3C dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 15us dev.cpu.1.temperature: 12.3C dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 100.00% last 2173us dev.cpu.2.temperature: 12.3C dev.cpu.2.cx_usage: 100.00% last 16us dev.cpu.3.temperature: 12.3C dev.cpu.3.cx_usage: 100.00% last 9us [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:50:08am] 919 % mbmon -c1 Temp.= 36.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 Vcore = 2.56, 3.78; Volt. = 3.36, 5.64, 6.57, 2.53, -2.64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:50:09am] 920 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p13 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p13 #0: Tue Apr 7 03:01:12 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:50:27am] 921 % CPU is jaguar kabini (Sempron 3850). ~12C is thermodynamically impossible for room temp of around 20C & the CPU producing heat :-). -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 14:48:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465419D73 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 232801DF8 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 449843F73E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:48:19 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:48:23 -0000 >> I've been using mbmon in the past, with xmbmon in X when needed. >> From the manual: "mbmon used at the command line reports the >> temperatures, voltages and rpm (rounds per minute) of cooling fans." >> Is this what you're looking for? > > Port: sysutils/mbmon > Moved: sysutils/xmbmon > Date: 2014-01-31 > Reason: Has expired: Use sysutils/xmbmon instead. This port will be removed soon Does xmbmon actually require X? It doesn't appear to have any dependencies. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:05:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15059FC9 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 952AC347E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98B7C276A3; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:05:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t64F5m8C005199; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:05:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:05:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Message-Id: <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:05:52 -0000 On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:48:19 -0400, Quartz wrote: > > >> I've been using mbmon in the past, with xmbmon in X when needed. > >> From the manual: "mbmon used at the command line reports the > >> temperatures, voltages and rpm (rounds per minute) of cooling fans." > >> Is this what you're looking for? > > > > Port: sysutils/mbmon > > Moved: sysutils/xmbmon > > Date: 2014-01-31 > > Reason: Has expired: Use sysutils/xmbmon instead. This port will be removed soon > > Does xmbmon actually require X? It doesn't appear to have any dependencies. Yes, xmbmon is an X application, displaying numbers and moving graphs, but mbmon is a CLI program. Check the "make configure" options of the port and see if you can deselect X support. It seems that the two initial ports, mbmon and xmbmon, have been unified into one port, so I assume there's a means of selection to disable the X functionality if you're not going to use it. Depending on your hardware, calling "mbmon" prints the different temperature, rotation and voltage values, for example like this: Temp.= 52.0, 40.5, 44.5; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 Vcore = 2.53, 3.10; Volt. = 3.26, 5.48, 13.74, -13.77, -7.01 It can be run continuously or just once, the output can be piped and parsed as needed. See "man mbmon" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:12:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0B79102 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47760372B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED1D43F6F7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597F7F9.2050309@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:12:57 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:12:59 -0000 > With modern CPUs there is usually an on-die thermal sensor which you can > interrogate by loading a kernel module: see coretemp(4) and amdtemp(4) > -- using these will let you read out CPU temperature using sysctl(1). Yeah the sysctl trick is a good tip, I use that a lot. I wish it could read all the other stuff though. > Unfortunately access to other monitoring variables is less consistent. That's kinda what I've noticed. We have a mixture of Nagios and other stuff we use to keep tabs on things and I know there are like half a dozen sysutils in the pkg/ports. But I was wondering if, at least for basic temp/rpm stuff, things had settled down and coalesced to the point where there was one or two "best" choices for something simple where setting up a whole suite is unnecessary. > IPMI Most of our serious rackmount stuff has IPMI, but there are also a bunch of 'prosumer' servers kicking around I'd like to throw a better single lightweight util on. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:14:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA84A9148 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC5837C2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D2DD3F6F7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:14:20 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:14:21 -0000 > CPU is jaguar kabini (Sempron 3850). ~12C is thermodynamically > impossible for room temp of around 20C & the CPU producing heat :-). Eh, we don't know that. You could have a liquid nitrogen system installed after all :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:17:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA80B91D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BEF3998 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [88.151.27.41] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBPCF-00040B-KT; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:17:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBPCD-0005Cn-I6; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:17:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:17:36 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Message-Id: <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 24227@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:17:49 -0000 On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:05:48 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > Yes, xmbmon is an X application, displaying numbers and > moving graphs, but mbmon is a CLI program. Check the > "make configure" options of the port and see if you can > deselect X support. It seems that the two initial ports, Default is to build CLI (mbmon) only, you have to choose to get xmbmon. Counterintuitively this means that the package for xmbmon installs mbmon. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:18:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48289202 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A6643A46 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-134.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t64FIboX023147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:24:52 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:18:39 -0000 On 07/04/15 10:20, Quartz wrote: >> CPU is jaguar kabini (Sempron 3850). ~12C is thermodynamically >> impossible for room temp of around 20C & the CPU producing heat :-). > > Eh, we don't know that. You could have a liquid nitrogen system > installed after all :) *Quite* a good point ;-). Let me clarify: the CPU is cooled into room-temp. air, ~20C, as drawn into the case by fans, & is producing heat on its own. *Then* I think my previous assessment is thermodynamically valid. Have a happy 4th :-). -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:25:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB2A944D for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 381191172 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C0F23F741 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597FACB.3050506@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:24:59 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:25:01 -0000 > Counterintuitively this means that the package for xmbmon installs > mbmon. OK just to clarify: if you install xbmon through pkg, you also get mbmon as well (which can be used without X)? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:29:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777279562 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B6BD14CE for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-134.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t64FTH25027644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <5597FBCD.2060001@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:35:32 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> <5597FACB.3050506@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <5597FACB.3050506@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:29:19 -0000 On 07/04/15 10:31, Quartz wrote: >> Counterintuitively this means that the package for xmbmon installs >> mbmon. > > OK just to clarify: if you install xbmon through pkg, you also get > mbmon as well (which can be used without X)? You get mbmon & *not* xmbmon*, hence the counterintuitive assessment: [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:33:50am] 943 % which mbmon /usr/local/bin/mbmon [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:33:56am] 944 % which xmbmon xmbmon: Command not found. [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:33:58am] 945 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p13 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p13 #0: Tue Apr 7 03:01:12 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:34:03am] 946 % -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:29:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21A0955E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91EAF14CB for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4E103F743 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:29:16 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:29:17 -0000 What's the going opinions on bsdhwmon, consolehm and healthd? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:47:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B18989E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E3B1131 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BC7F3F737 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5597FFFF.60003@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:47:11 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:47:13 -0000 >>> CPU is jaguar kabini (Sempron 3850). ~12C is thermodynamically >>> impossible for room temp of around 20C & the CPU producing heat :-). >> >> Eh, we don't know that. You could have a liquid nitrogen system >> installed after all :) > > > *Quite* a good point ;-). Let me clarify: the CPU is cooled into > room-temp. air, ~20C, as drawn into the case by fans, & is producing > heat on its own. *Then* I think my previous assessment is > thermodynamically valid. Have a happy 4th :-). Actually, in all seriousness, ~12C is probably within the range of a good Peltier system assuming the cpu isn't running flat out. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 15:56:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDE89A5C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95CBA1966 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 362663F70B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55980239.9010601@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:56:41 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> <5597FACB.3050506@sneakertech.com> <5597FBCD.2060001@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <5597FBCD.2060001@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:56:43 -0000 >>> Counterintuitively this means that the package for xmbmon installs >>> mbmon. >> >> OK just to clarify: if you install xbmon through pkg, you also get >> mbmon as well (which can be used without X)? > > > You get mbmon & *not* xmbmon*, hence the counterintuitive assessment: Wait, the "xmbmon" package as installed though pkg doesn't actually install the X version? wat I guess that's technically good for my needs in this case, but I wonder about sanity levels here.... that's kind of a big mistake, and if future versions of the package flip things around then maybe I shouldn't trust it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 16:07:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703869BFF for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36D9A1DF5 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-134.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t64G7596011032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:07:05 -0500 Message-ID: <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:13:20 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:07:07 -0000 On 07/04/15 10:35, Quartz wrote: > What's the going opinions on bsdhwmon, consolehm and healthd? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > bsdhwmon seems to be Supermicro-specific: [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:53am] 953 % which !$ which bsdhwmon /usr/local/sbin/bsdhwmon [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:57am] 954 % bsdhwmon --help bsdhwmon: illegal option -- - Usage: bsdhwmon [options] Options: -J JSON-formatted output -c comma-delimited output -f DEVICE use DEVICE as smb(4) device (default: /dev/smb0) -l list supported motherboard ID strings -h print this message -v be verbose (show debugging output) http://bsdhwmon.koitsu.org/ Report bugs to [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:05am] 955 % bsdhwmon -l maker product chip type slave addr ------------- --------------------- ------------------ ----------- Supermicro P8SC8 Winbond W83792D 0x2f Supermicro P8SCT Winbond W83792D 0x2f Supermicro PDSMA+ Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro PDSMi+ Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro PDSMU Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X6DHR-8G2/X6DHR-TG Winbond W83792D 0x2f Supermicro X6DVA X6DVA/X6DVL/X6DAL Custom Supermicro X7DB8 Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X7DBP Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X7DBT Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X7SB4/E Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X7SBA Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X7SBL Winbond W83793G 0x2f Supermicro X7SBi Winbond W83793G 0x2f ------------- --------------------- ------------------ ----------- [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:21am] 956 % bsdhwmon Your motherboard does not appear to be supported. You can visit http://bsdhwmon.koitsu.org/ to see if support for your motherboard and/or system is under development. [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:55am] 957 % Can't speak for consolehm, healthd seems to work, reports oddball 12V readings: Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #0 Cooling Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #1 Cooling Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for Case Fan Cooling Fan with a range of (100.00 <= n <= 9999.00) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 2.50 for CPU #0 Core Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 3.78 for CPU #1 Core Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 5.64 for 5 Volt with a range of (4.75 <= n <= 5.25) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 6.57 for 12 Volt with a range of (10.80 <= n <= 13.20) Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of -2.42 for -5 Volt with a range of (-5.50 <= n <= -4.50) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #0 Cooling Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #1 Cooling Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for Case Fan Cooling Fan with a range of (100.00 <= n <= 9999.00) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 2.50 for CPU #0 Core Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 3.78 for CPU #1 Core Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 5.64 for 5 Volt with a range of (4.75 <= n <= 5.25) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 6.57 for 12 Volt with a range of (10.80 <= n <= 13.20) Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of -2.42 for -5 Volt with a range of (-5.50 <= n <= -4.50) from my syslog file, with: [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:09:08am] 1004 % sysctl -A | grep -i temp <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 36.00 for Chip Set Temperature with a range of (0.00 <= n <= 30.00) <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 39.50 for CPU #0 Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 42.00 for CPU #1 Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) net.inet6.ip6.use_tempaddr: 0 net.inet6.ip6.temppltime: 86400 net.inet6.ip6.tempvltime: 604800 net.inet6.ip6.prefer_tempaddr: 0 hw.usb.template: 0 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 11.3C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 11.3C dev.cpu.2.temperature: 11.3C dev.cpu.3.temperature: 11.3C dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb5 dev.amdtemp.0.sensor0.core0: 11.3C [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:11:10am] 1005 % from sysctl .... [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:11:52am] 1005 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p13 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p13 #0: Tue Apr 7 03:01:12 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:11:55am] 1006 % I think those temp. values are OK-ish, better than those from amdtemp .... YMMV & all that rot. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 16:07:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF729C18 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21B171E80 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CB3025325; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t64G7QWx005527; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:07:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:07:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Message-Id: <20150704180726.b46748f7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55980239.9010601@sneakertech.com> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> <5597FACB.3050506@sneakertech.com> <5597FBCD.2060001@hiwaay.net> <55980239.9010601@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:07:30 -0000 On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:56:41 -0400, Quartz wrote: > >>> Counterintuitively this means that the package for xmbmon installs > >>> mbmon. > >> > >> OK just to clarify: if you install xbmon through pkg, you also get > >> mbmon as well (which can be used without X)? > > > > > > You get mbmon & *not* xmbmon*, hence the counterintuitive assessment: > > Wait, the "xmbmon" package as installed though pkg doesn't actually > install the X version? wat Yes. :-) Due to the combination of mbmon and xmbmon into one package, the "least dangerous interpretation" has been chosen, and that is the one without X support. > I guess that's technically good for my needs in this case, but I wonder > about sanity levels here.... that's kind of a big mistake, and if future > versions of the package flip things around then maybe I shouldn't trust it. It would probably have made more sense to call the combined package simply mbmon, with a "make configure" step if you wanted it with X support - which means that the list of runtime dependencies would grow. The "x" in "xmobon" package naming therefore is a bit confusing, as it refers to the option of X support, not a default X support... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 16:12:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD8F9D68 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4FFB1143 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-234.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2F1F27671; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t64GBxxG005554; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:11:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:11:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Message-Id: <20150704181159.e3fd4566.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:12:02 -0000 On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:13:20 -0453, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > bsdhwmon seems to be Supermicro-specific: > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:53am] 953 % which !$ > which bsdhwmon > /usr/local/sbin/bsdhwmon > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:57am] 954 % bsdhwmon --help > bsdhwmon: illegal option -- - This is a BSD program - no GNU long-style options in the first place as you'd assume on Linux. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 16:13:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A0D9DA6 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14E3811F2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-134.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t64GDfNM017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: <55980635.6010800@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:19:56 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:13:43 -0000 On 07/04/15 11:12, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 07/04/15 10:35, Quartz wrote: >> What's the going opinions on bsdhwmon, consolehm and healthd? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > bsdhwmon seems to be Supermicro-specific: > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:53am] 953 % which !$ > which bsdhwmon > /usr/local/sbin/bsdhwmon > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:57am] 954 % bsdhwmon --help > bsdhwmon: illegal option -- - > Usage: bsdhwmon [options] > > Options: > > -J JSON-formatted output > -c comma-delimited output > -f DEVICE use DEVICE as smb(4) device (default: /dev/smb0) > -l list supported motherboard ID strings > -h print this message > -v be verbose (show debugging output) > > http://bsdhwmon.koitsu.org/ > Report bugs to > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:05am] 955 % bsdhwmon -l > maker product chip type slave addr > ------------- --------------------- ------------------ ----------- > Supermicro P8SC8 Winbond W83792D 0x2f > Supermicro P8SCT Winbond W83792D 0x2f > Supermicro PDSMA+ Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro PDSMi+ Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro PDSMU Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X6DHR-8G2/X6DHR-TG Winbond W83792D 0x2f > Supermicro X6DVA X6DVA/X6DVL/X6DAL Custom > Supermicro X7DB8 Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X7DBP Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X7DBT Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X7SB4/E Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X7SBA Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X7SBL Winbond W83793G 0x2f > Supermicro X7SBi Winbond W83793G 0x2f > ------------- --------------------- ------------------ ----------- > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:21am] 956 % bsdhwmon > Your motherboard does not appear to be supported. You can visit > http://bsdhwmon.koitsu.org/ to see if support for your motherboard > and/or system is under development. > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:55am] 957 % > > Can't speak for consolehm, healthd seems to work, reports oddball 12V > readings: > > > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #0 Cooling > Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #1 Cooling > Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for Case Fan Cooling > Fan with a range of (100.00 <= n <= 9999.00) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 2.50 for CPU #0 Core > Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 3.78 for CPU #1 Core > Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 5.64 for 5 Volt with a > range of (4.75 <= n <= 5.25) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of 6.57 for 12 Volt with a > range of (10.80 <= n <= 13.20) > Jul 4 10:57:10 kabini1 healthd: A value of -2.42 for -5 Volt with a > range of (-5.50 <= n <= -4.50) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #0 Cooling > Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #1 Cooling > Fan with a range of (1000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 0.00 for Case Fan Cooling > Fan with a range of (100.00 <= n <= 9999.00) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 2.50 for CPU #0 Core > Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 3.78 for CPU #1 Core > Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 5.64 for 5 Volt with a > range of (4.75 <= n <= 5.25) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of 6.57 for 12 Volt with a > range of (10.80 <= n <= 13.20) > Jul 4 10:57:26 kabini1 healthd: A value of -2.42 for -5 Volt with a > range of (-5.50 <= n <= -4.50) > > from my syslog file, with: > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:09:08am] 1004 % sysctl -A | grep -i temp > <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 36.00 for Chip Set > Temperature with a range of (0.00 <= n <= 30.00) > <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 39.50 for CPU #0 > Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) > <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 42.00 for CPU #1 > Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) > net.inet6.ip6.use_tempaddr: 0 > net.inet6.ip6.temppltime: 86400 > net.inet6.ip6.tempvltime: 604800 > net.inet6.ip6.prefer_tempaddr: 0 > hw.usb.template: 0 > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 11.3C > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 11.3C > dev.cpu.2.temperature: 11.3C > dev.cpu.3.temperature: 11.3C > dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors > dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp > dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb5 > dev.amdtemp.0.sensor0.core0: 11.3C > [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:11:10am] 1005 % > > from sysctl .... > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:11:52am] 1005 % uname -a > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p13 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p13 #0: Tue > Apr 7 03:01:12 UTC 2015 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:11:55am] 1006 % > > > I think those temp. values are OK-ish, better than those from amdtemp > .... YMMV & all that rot. To expand a bit, mbmon & healthd seem to agree on (chipset ?) temp, as distinct from amdtemp. However both only report for 2 CPU's (cores ?), while amdtemp reports (wrongly, IMHO) for all 4 (in my case) .... If healthd &/or mbmon would report (accurately) for all 4 cores, I'd love them more :-) .... [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:14:37am] 1006 % sysctl -A | grep -i temp <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 36.00 for Chip Set Temperature with a range of (0.00 <= n <= 30.00) <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 39.50 for CPU #0 Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) <118>Jul 4 10:51:49 kabini1 healthd: A value of 42.00 for CPU #1 Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) net.inet6.ip6.use_tempaddr: 0 net.inet6.ip6.temppltime: 86400 net.inet6.ip6.tempvltime: 604800 net.inet6.ip6.prefer_tempaddr: 0 hw.usb.template: 0 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 10.5C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 10.5C dev.cpu.2.temperature: 10.5C dev.cpu.3.temperature: 10.5C dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb5 dev.amdtemp.0.sensor0.core0: 10.5C [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:14:40am] 1007 % mbmon -c1 Temp.= 36.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 Vcore = 2.51, 3.78; Volt. = 3.36, 5.67, 6.57, 2.61, -2.64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:14:45am] 1008 % Have a happy 4th. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 16:16:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53EC9EA6 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AB8A1911 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-134.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t64GGto8025810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <559806F7.2000401@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:23:10 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> <20150704181159.e3fd4566.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150704181159.e3fd4566.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:16:57 -0000 On 07/04/15 11:18, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:13:20 -0453, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> bsdhwmon seems to be Supermicro-specific: >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:53am] 953 % which !$ >> which bsdhwmon >> /usr/local/sbin/bsdhwmon >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:57am] 954 % bsdhwmon --help >> bsdhwmon: illegal option -- - > This is a BSD program - no GNU long-style options in the first place > as you'd assume on Linux. :-) Agreed, although it did give me the help output. I actually don't like the GNU '--' format, KISS/SST violation & all that, but have been immersed in it so long it has become habit :-/ .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 17:38:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FF29B5F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:38:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01C6F1870 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A40113F734 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55981A11.8090300@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:38:25 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <20150704150742.cd7c045a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704092041.03767068@seibercom.net> <5597F233.7090201@sneakertech.com> <20150704170548.fc12bd39.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150704161736.7025b3e187c9efbe119b1cc6@sohara.org> <5597FACB.3050506@sneakertech.com> <5597FBCD.2060001@hiwaay.net> <55980239.9010601@sneakertech.com> <20150704180726.b46748f7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150704180726.b46748f7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:38:33 -0000 > It would probably have made more sense to call the combined > package simply mbmon, with a "make configure" step if you > wanted it with X support - which means that the list of > runtime dependencies would grow. The "x" in "xmobon" package > naming therefore is a bit confusing, as it refers to the > option of X support, not a default X support... Hmm.... ok, well I guess as long as it's deliberate it's probably ok. > To expand a bit, mbmon & healthd seem to agree on (chipset ?) temp, as > distinct from amdtemp. However both only report for 2 CPU's (cores ?), > while amdtemp reports (wrongly, IMHO) for all 4 (in my case) .... If > healthd &/or mbmon would report (accurately) for all 4 cores, I'd love > them more :-) .... Maybe mbmon and healthd are confused about hyperthreading and think you only have two real cores? That's the only thing I can think of. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 4 18:27:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F676927F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94D79161E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by wiwl6 with SMTP id l6so252657117wiw.0 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=012sY2Ia/BBHK+y+ceuvRBXKrdJoCLUqghU9sPLqpCo=; b=nKEuyK+r3bU8HO5X6g0ze4fxbOsH6GMDUKpOuFnI3IBv/2V3gGQ23tqMpd8rNhVBDg HPe+m0AbAJLNk+At5V64joOoYl1g7osyZvCK+vlqe1lcbM8FOUo8BdSgJ3bfi5xYu6E2 PbZT/9/FlKbsWRgpWHRNr6YwIGKspfITM/vfGB5ZfkVaKw0My23gRkPMayr7HhQrtKTA v/lsHanbYYF7MmZ5ndcnc8iT3Fw9yWOGndoa2+EZdbNoWkZ70qoVR1ZIHFfV+3fZsPHp v6hyiaG79I1VRR/dwGlETgm1uAEt2Uc8AFz4gKCOMrLNTt1uSdp0kF2gloQ1co4NUbLg fmMA== X-Received: by 10.194.9.161 with SMTP id a1mr78095392wjb.39.1436034464001; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (5ec1f6f9.skybroadband.com. [94.193.246.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bg6sm19150516wjc.13.2015.07.04.11.27.40 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 19:27:37 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best console hardware monitor pkg? Message-ID: <20150704192737.24e73b75@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20150704181159.e3fd4566.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <559760A3.7000901@sneakertech.com> <5597DF28.50903@FreeBSD.org> <5597E3E5.5050103@hiwaay.net> <5597F84C.50306@sneakertech.com> <5597F94D.9060703@hiwaay.net> <5597FBCC.90704@sneakertech.com> <559804A9.9080406@hiwaay.net> <20150704181159.e3fd4566.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:27:46 -0000 On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:11:59 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > This is a BSD program - no GNU long-style options in the first place > as you'd assume on Linux. :-) FWIW FreeBSD's libc has supported long-options for a long time, but it's up to each individual program to define them. Plenty of BSD utilities do, pkg for instance.