From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 25 18:35:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE21BE93EB for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B36E9AD for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-71.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04C4295868; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:35:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1474828525; bh=GlPuGqnZ0umsjFd354Ugfr9ABejgodlQ0zYMU69/Emw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=MwkRoV+jFPGRqzzJDNqvpXVSfWkjeHXRHiO77HqY68bYHGXUvFfWSrjIRMz7+f7gk lbNBhy1Idb7lkJ8KN1iWZ5lJqQULeY9MHpqfjoVhQeOn05yc4FEOOo3Wov7trRCBcx 2mCjQ45cIJADxZg3ogfgFl170GMzScAY8QQtCIVs= Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:35:24 -0400 From: mfv To: Ernie Luzar Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: How to find port name to use with the pkg install command Message-ID: <20160925143524.2e2ce41d@gecko4> In-Reply-To: <57E51A69.9030602@gmail.com> References: <57E51A69.9030602@gmail.com> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:35:35 -0000 > On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 08:04 Ernie Luzar wrote: > >Hello list, > >I am having trouble finding the port name to use with the "pkg >install" command. I used to use the ports web site > >https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi > >It used to show the svn port names and now it shows the port version >names. How is a person to find the svn port name? >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello Ernie, Perhaps 'pkg search ' will work. will also match substrings. For example, 'pkg search groff' will match two packages: groff-1.22.2_4 Software typesetting package ja-groff-1.18.1_16 Japanese enhancement of GNU groff and 'pkg search -o groff' will show the origin: textproc/groff Software typesetting package japanese/groff Japanese enhancement of GNU grof See 'man pkg-search' for additional options. Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 25 19:52:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D950BE9832 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30651C01 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-qk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id g67so87269146qkd.0 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sIRGRFER2KpYIZu8CtTRhn187uPdXKk7USC6mBoGhs8=; b=BLApcwqiE6uLLsV/5kTdOYdCYVxEg40UmHYZdegxT1/PD+ZLl05+b/GG47n2RVKa0j mtGFJsfu6lba+UuUXbHUwHmoBfmnzJrOP5RVYvXdjKoaY1OTXS4WxrpF33cvG/ulc5eZ 2BeM7FE3bpjypR2jCnaXGQjentu5u4SZNSUfs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sIRGRFER2KpYIZu8CtTRhn187uPdXKk7USC6mBoGhs8=; b=FUZNmojshXJRwuzTWsLevvbIKFwQh1MJsp2NhmQom2JBIgNwgE8665YEN1UahE7LCU 3xfCR7YVcQEA4u0icj03yxqwRX1B9oAZmW4xBl0+kGhEy5fmDtlUnqQkX1MjL2NFgP5o goiWISm7fBOEcpPW4kQSW13SfGczhRa56RgHV3QFcanInD1Lxg/6QZ9zDXnhrag9q+wP bAGwus8U2EDhGMaq098IevqKmDQnssByaDGMDS2C/RHPkGaVfNm4OKiHtcU1DqP2/M0d +vfg31ZZMdmv8/AkpYXxwhjX+UawZpAfHtfbXfheaTbw3kzZelxbYhxyjBZ5kK/7arIH sUyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlJZW6LfwJi2Va7oGEX3LNy4nrKUOs0dHKJeqLKBRxt/WcRKpVLxbKdiRRgBH6uGw== X-Received: by 10.55.160.199 with SMTP id j190mr17854598qke.274.1474833141787; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 12:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([179.180.13.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s23sm9781938qka.10.2016.09.25.12.52.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Sep 2016 12:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:52:43 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating multiple computers Message-ID: <20160925165244.7e6995fd@Papi> In-Reply-To: <86eg4eu0v5.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <2e433f07-4dec-a3f3-aa49-7324a704c83e@columbus.rr.com> <867fa86m4s.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <32caf8a7-c40d-7f2a-5d18-72e4c7f42d50@columbus.rr.com> <20160920100946.53558675@Papi> <86eg4eu0v5.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 19:52:23 -0000 On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:01:02 -0500 Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > Mario Lobo writes: > > > On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:16:33 -0400 > > Baho Utot wrote: > > > >> On 09/19/16 09:43, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > >> > Baho Utot writes: > >> > > >> >> How do I use that release assuming that it is on a network > >> >> server to update/upgrade multiple systems? > >> > Release images are for clean installs. To update machines over > >> > the network, just run `make buildworld` and `make buildkernel` > >> > on the master system, then mount /usr/src and /usr/obj to the > >> > other systems using NFS. > >> Ok I will try that > >> > >> Thanks > >> > > > > I have one question regarding this alternative. > > > > I already have this scenario set up. > > > > Suppose that I want to save compile time on the remote machines > > and that machine #1 that holds /usr/src and the compiled /usr/obj is > > an intel XEON. > > > > Remote machine #2 that will use this compiled code is an I7 and > > machine #3 is an AMD Phenom II. > > > > If leave CPUTYPE alone, will the resulting code run well on all 3 > > machines? > > If you don't touch CPUTYPE, generic binaries are compiled for the > target architecture. As long as you're building for the same > architecture, everything should be fine. That's how "official" > packages and installation images are built. ;) > > I won't bother with any "debate" about CPU-specific optimizing, but > I'll say that if you're compiling code on a machine other than the > one you'll be running it on, or the machines aren't all identical, > just leave compiler/optimization flags alone. I've had code compiled > using one i7 quad-core model fail to run on another i7 quad-core > model from only two years earlier. > > Brandon; As a follow up on my attempt to centralize compilation. I hava a master server (10.3.51.50) where all the compilation is made. On it, I issued make buildworld and make buildkernel (no errors), and shared /usr/src and /usr/obj via nfs. Then, I have a VM server, same version and arch as the master, that sees this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0s1a 4.8G 243M 4.2G 5% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ada0s1d 1.9G 346M 1.4G 19% /var /dev/ada0s1e 38G 4.0G 31G 11% /usr /dev/ada1s1 28G 4.9M 26G 0% /www fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/fd procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc 10.3.51.50:/usr/src 97G 20G 69G 23% /usr/src 10.3.51.50:/usr/obj 97G 20G 69G 23% /usr/obj After compilation on the master, I go to the slave and issue: cd /usr/src mergemaster -p (goes OK). when I issue make installworld, I get this: [/usr/src]>make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV export PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ; progs=$(for prog in [ awk cap_mkdb cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep id install install-info ln lockf make mkdir mtree nmtree mv pwd_mkdb rm sed sh strip sysctl test true uname wc zic tzsetup makewhatis; do if progpath=`which $prog`; then echo $progpath; else echo "Required tool $prog not found in PATH." >&2; exit 1; fi; done); libs=$(ldd -f "%o %p\n" -f "%o %p\n" $progs 2>/dev/null | sort -u | while read line; do set -- $line; if [ "$2 2>$3" != "not found" ]; then echo $2; else echo "Required library $1 2>not found." >&2; exit 1; fi; done); cp $libs 2>$progs /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV cp -R 2>${PATH_LOCALE:-"/usr/share/locale"} /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale 2>cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 2>MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE= 2>GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin 2>GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font 2>GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac 2>PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>PATH_LOCALE=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale make -f Makefile.inc1 2>COMPILER_TYPE=clang __MAKE_SHELL=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/sh reinstall; 2>MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE= 2>GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin 2>GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font 2>GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac 2>PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>PATH_LOCALE=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale rm -rf /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) 2>Illegal instruction (core dumped) 2>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Making hierarchy -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 LOCAL_MTREE= hierarchy Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) cd /usr/src/etc; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV make LOCAL_MTREE= distrib-dirs Illegal instruction (core dumped) mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var empty: flags ("schg" is not "none"mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist -p /usr/include mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.debug.dist -p /usr/lib mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.groff.dist -p /usr mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.sendmail.dist -p / install -l s usr/src/sys /sys *** Signal 4 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/etc *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src Any clues to what could be wrong? -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 25 23:59:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCA5BEA09B for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 23:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chiller@driftfun.com) Received: from mail-ext5.uio.no (mail-ext5.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F12810AF for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 23:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chiller@driftfun.com) Received: from mail-mx1.uio.no ([129.240.10.29]) by mail-out5.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1boJKF-0008BR-Dc; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 01:59:15 +0200 Received: from putsch.kolbu.ws ([158.36.191.193]) by mail-mx1.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1boJKE-0002bp-IE; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 01:59:15 +0200 Received: from chiller by putsch.kolbu.ws with local (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1boJKD-0002kf-JI; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 01:59:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 01:59:13 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?U3TDpWxl?= Kristoffersen To: Anton Yuzhaninov Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Server gets a high load, but no CPU use, and then later stops respond on the network Message-ID: <20160925235913.GA9921@putsch.kolbu.ws> References: <20160913232351.GA36091@putsch.kolbu.ws> <68f553b9-8546-7707-df86-88851b3283f8@citrin.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <68f553b9-8546-7707-df86-88851b3283f8@citrin.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: F77DCDC39838E818C73FD147CB994ADCEFAFA42A X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 158.36.191.193 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 34866 max/h 377 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 23:59:20 -0000 On 2016-09-20 at 16:57, Anton Yuzhaninov wrote: > In top output you should look at WCPU and STATE for kernel threads and > for unresponding network daemons. It had a problem last night, and beneath is the last output in the logfile. (Also available here: http://pastebin.com/G1t3ayPd ) Unfortunately it did not save anything after that, even if it did echo back text written in an already opened ssh connection. No errors were printed on the ipmi kvm console. 2016-09-25 02:27:00 last pid: 86980; load averages: 0.09, 0.07, 0.08 up 4+02:13:16 02:27:00 627 processes: 24 running, 565 sleeping, 38 waiting Mem: 4824K Active, 475M Inact, 30G Wired, 58M Cache, 801M Free ARC: 27G Total, 20G MFU, 5978M MRU, 232K Anon, 152M Header, 1026M Other Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU13 13 97.0H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu13}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU0 0 96.9H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu0}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU7 7 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu7}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU5 5 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu5}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K RUN 4 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu4}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU3 3 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu3}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU1 1 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu1}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU9 9 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu9}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU6 6 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu6}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU10 10 96.7H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu10}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU2 2 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu2}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU17 17 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu17}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU19 19 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu19}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU16 16 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu16}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU15 15 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu15}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU18 18 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu18}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU23 23 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu23}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU12 12 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu12}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU22 22 96.6H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu22}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU11 11 96.2H 100.00% [idle{idle: cpu11}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU8 8 96.7H 99.27% [idle{idle: cpu8}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU21 21 96.6H 99.27% [idle{idle: cpu21}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU14 14 96.6H 99.27% [idle{idle: cpu14}] 11 root 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU20 20 96.6H 91.99% [idle{idle: cpu20}] 931 root 28 0 306M 14036K select 15 20:36 12.60% /usr/local/sbin/smbd --daemon --configfile=/usr/local/etc/smb4.conf{smbd} 0 root -92 - 0K 6512K - 11 62:27 0.10% [kernel{igb0 taskq}] 5 root -16 - 0K 16K ipmire 11 193:27 0.00% [ipmi0: kcs] 7 root -16 - 0K 32K psleep 0 39:15 0.00% [pagedaemon{pagedaemon}] 1807 root 20 0 298M 12796K select 0 17:12 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/smbd --daemon --configfile=/usr/local/etc/smb4.conf 771 plex 20 0 484M 288M uwait 7 11:15 0.00% /usr/local/share/plexmediaserver-plexpass/Plex_Media_Server (Plex Media Server){Plex Media Serve} 771 plex 20 0 484M 288M kqread 19 11:08 0.00% /usr/local/share/plexmediaserver-plexpass/Plex_Media_Server (Plex Media Server){Plex Media Serve} 17 root 16 - 0K 16K syncer 21 5:25 0.00% [syncer] 12 root -88 - 0K 608K WAIT 8 4:54 0.00% [intr{irq19: uhci2 uhc}] 2 root -16 - 0K 96K - 12 3:17 0.00% [cam{doneq0}] 14 root -16 - 0K 16K - 16 3:04 0.00% [rand_harvestq] 18 root -16 - 0K 16K vlruwt 17 2:19 0.00% [vnlru] 12 root -88 - 0K 608K WAIT 13 2:18 0.00% [intr{irq258: mps0}] 2 root -16 - 0K 96K - 10 2:18 0.00% [cam{doneq3}] 2 root -16 - 0K 96K - 15 2:17 0.00% [cam{doneq1}] 771 plex 20 0 484M 288M uwait 13 2:15 0.00% /usr/local/share/plexmediaserver-plexpass/Plex_Media_Server (Plex Media Server){Plex Media Serve} 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K swapin 8 1:48 0.00% [kernel{swapper}] 3 root -8 - 0K 176K tx->tx 22 1:32 0.00% [zfskern{txg_thread_enter}] 843 plex 35 15 339M 93664K select 12 1:31 0.00% [Plex Script Host{Plex Script Host}] 12 root -60 - 0K 608K WAIT 0 1:15 0.00% [intr{swi4: clock}] 2 root -16 - 0K 96K - 11 1:05 0.00% [cam{doneq2}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 13 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_3}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 23 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_2}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 17 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_4}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 20 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_0}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 3 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_7}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 5 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_5}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 19 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_1}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 21 1:04 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_6}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 3 1:02 0.00% [kernel{zio_read_intr_5}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 22 1:02 0.00% [kernel{zio_read_intr_11}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 11 1:02 0.00% [kernel{zio_read_intr_12}] 0 root -16 - 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0K 6512K - 21 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 9 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_5}] 0 root -17 - 0K 6512K - 17 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] 0 root -17 - 0K 6512K - 9 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 2 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_4}] 0 root -17 - 0K 6512K - 7 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 11 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_2}] 0 root -17 - 0K 6512K - 14 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 15 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_6}] 0 root -16 - 0K 6512K - 0 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_intr_0}] 0 root -17 - 0K 6512K - 17 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] 0 root -17 - 0K 6512K - 10 0:40 0.00% [kernel{zio_write_issue_}] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ståle Kristoffersen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 03:10:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499DFBEA788 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wrlw@waterday.ru) Received: from waterday.ru (waterday.ru [194.67.209.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987711536 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wrlw@waterday.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=mail; d=waterday.ru; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; i=wrlw@waterday.ru; bh=eQls8SAGAiCx0zz/voYeH/trJbU=; b=gQx0bUY9kzBcCeht/iTuPB/qOBTFj486hHLEkkX026vU6CunBUPdwfkCdiAYJyETnAJV0MUlkQja 4GB3zX4yh2vfWoAtap2d6sONeF9vV7nThG740l4gQvXtNQl3y2+IFxuKL2c52VHRhRVKYptbj/a2 NhAYMCOl4pVO7g+uiVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; q=dns; s=mail; d=waterday.ru; b=WUreE0djn3Vylw9SZNUhpSHLiRdumWFowpW9sE698/R9nf/P/IDwVdGAiz5qwaHiIMakyNDO7rOT I7DDWihHrKE0vVfxinxtUd9CBZST+eJkdRquf+ISbw9FvLzjQt0wMGLrVbZijhuacCIab5TwCmNa Ue7Oq3gvJqXtbGQ1xF0=; Message-ID: From: "Swarovski" To: Subject: =?windows-1251?B?wfDg8evl8iBTd2Fyb3Zza2kgLSDv7vHr5eTt?= =?windows-1251?B?6Okg7+jx6iDs6Ovg7fHq7ukg7O7k+yE=?= Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 05:48:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:10:05 -0000 =C1=F0=E0=F1=EB=E5=F2 Swarovski - 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 03:41:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86821BEAEE9 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "GeoTrust SSL CA - G4" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 795C2866 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:36:15 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive? X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56532342-f2d4-377d-605b-2e1b5bfb2160@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:36:15 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:41:51 -0000 freebsd-questions: Using Debian GNU/Linux 7.11, I downloaded FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img and burned it to a USB flash drive: # time dd if=FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M conv=sync; sync 659+1 records in 660+0 records out 692060160 bytes (692 MB) copied, 141.567 s, 4.9 MB/s real 2m21.571s user 0m0.004s sys 0m1.696s If I compute the checksum immediately after burning, it matches the published checksum: # time dd if=/dev/sdc count=1350917 | sha256sum -b ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 *- 1350917+0 records in 1350917+0 records out 691669504 bytes (692 MB) copied, 43.252 s, 16.0 MB/s real 0m43.257s user 0m7.236s sys 0m3.496s # grep ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 CHECKSUM.SHA256-FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386 SHA256 (FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img) = ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 But after using the USB flash drive to install FreeBSD, the checksum has changed: # dd if=/dev/sdc count=1350917 | sha256sum -b 1350917+0 records in 1350917+0 records out bd159b85486322febe992226bbec9c86d96d70dd1e5a8b7c6f0bb9d29eb50df3 *- 691669504 bytes (692 MB) copied, 42.989 s, 16.1 MB/s Therefore, the FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer has changed the contents of the USB flash drive. Why? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 15:47:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99054BE41D4 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C911085 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39361080 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:47:03 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8QFlMbo075783 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:47:22 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8QFlKvn075782 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:47:20 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:47:20 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:47:26 -0000 Dear Colleagues, I have a complete dump of a working system created by 'zfs send -Rv zroot@test1 > test1.zfs '. I think it's called a replication stream package. I also have a new hard drive. Then I create the freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap and freebsd-zfs partitions on the new drive, install the bootloader on it. Now what command exactly do I use to restore the system from test1.zfs? I have tried "zfs receive" with different combinations of options but each time I and with some error message like "destination exists..." Please refer me to a good howto on restoring a system from a replication stream package. TIA. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 17:34:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E88BEA839 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1-64-7-128-1.sentex.ca (smarthost1jail.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:c::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D6ACBB7 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost1-64-7-128-1.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.8) with ESMTP id u8QHYRWF073274; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:34:27 GMT (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 13:34:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:34:29 -0000 On 9/26/2016 11:47 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I have a complete dump of a working system created by > 'zfs send -Rv zroot@test1 > test1.zfs '. I think it's called a > replication stream package. I also have a new hard drive. Then I > create the freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap and freebsd-zfs partitions on > the new drive, install the bootloader on it. > > Now what command exactly do I use to restore the system from > test1.zfs? I have tried "zfs receive" with different combinations of > options but each time I and with some error message like "destination > exists..." > > Please refer me to a good howto on restoring a system from a > replication stream package. Here are the steps I used to restore a "level zero" zfs file onto a new/fresh mirror. gpart destroy -F ada0 gpart destroy -F ada1 gpart create -s gpt ada0 gpart create -s gpt ada1 gpart add -s 222 -t freebsd-boot ada0 gpart add -s 222 -t freebsd-boot ada1 gpart add -s 8g -t freebsd-swap ada0 gpart add -s 8g -t freebsd-swap ada1 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs -s 400g ada0 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs -s 400g ada1 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada1 #make sure /mnt2 exists zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none zroot mirror /dev/ada0p3 /dev/ada1p3 gzcat /mnt/zroot-.0.gz | zfs recv -vF zroot gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada1 #import it, but its probably already there so dont worry about the error zpool import -f -o altroot=/mnt2 zroot zpool set bootfs=zroot/ROOT/default zroot ... You should now be able to boot off the restored mirror. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 20:38:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE84FBEA9B5 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x232.google.com (mail-qk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8520EA0 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id z190so181407003qkc.3 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 13:38:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gb/dunKquxhRPvGksGu7btjU3+T32sHocJ6S+755tPY=; b=CP9N2ZmBjshEr8jSNjvhsTW2VXOX35D53XZTRDdJcYVeQ9uxtwRdGJ5o5Ncc7Tvl+u piE2HkrKzmYUUb/E7W3k2fRhBakaQwdc0ESjoZbbMN9lf5DwjNytEJYaDspOLaJs3fvU 4YomIic2OQphcieWLOFnTHk9F9ACVFIX2QxWWxyOfriLyjNNYqVIK5bZ6+5r7s8bXxiD H8EMQ0+TsA4EQnY3YBVMZkqYVbD6+ttjsKswNh4e+thPPqFGMYFuODN4ynj74aAYo7R+ P36YgcNiIbKph+NW7fSxTkx32FGvtdaSJD6534BTTpYcrFkGJD1RXgzCQnyndFs2M5Jq UIbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gb/dunKquxhRPvGksGu7btjU3+T32sHocJ6S+755tPY=; b=AgQsAh2JINKuzCG6a55YaNPm03M1MaOynlMt77QiR0lye/gjn2MuAiuDiDEAz9OrN1 QxzSFnQAFU4V8fcH0qgaa4vUTrultPWWtwXnnCy+dSaoPL9IVaXTvnyj0b7z/MhMXaEj MvYKmuKycqyH1zQJ8fa2BiYhQ92+OER8D45/w1bAPL6sjPWSzrxhhu9bfiZ5mPyL3RaD apMjyZQs/Yo4uVn1xPI1iNp+gMt33x/zFoQz8HlnsQBNLicqVPPb3wloKjSDouPUPttv 3yAZ6ZE9S9yb0zLO0KW43jzFzVge/QW4lZ4+vjxKNA3Pnk5POUUa/fmALhezFG3uz3W7 QyQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rk28elMK/MAe/NFpT5wyNAT0+glbAAxaO4TU5lzgOEA3a/4YX7t5+kkshNZuCRqgA== X-Received: by 10.194.88.74 with SMTP id be10mr19201460wjb.120.1474922302446; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 13:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osk.homenet ([2001:470:196e:13:f2de:f1ff:fed1:783c]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id vs7sm24206694wjb.10.2016.09.26.13.38.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Sep 2016 13:38:21 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Shamim Shahriar Subject: geli setkey n 1 anomaly :: or am I missing something Message-ID: <8fbc859d-716b-e7d2-9867-188270fa596b@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:38:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:38:24 -0000 Good evening all, I am having some difficult with geli. I am trying to set up an encrypted provider for my users, using the setkey feature, but it is not working. system: FreeBSD 11-RC3 from the man page Create an encrypted provider, but use two User Keys: one for your employee and one for you as the company's security officer (so it is not a tragedy if the employee "accidentally" forgets his passphrase): # geli init /dev/da2 Enter new passphrase: (enter security officer's passphrase) Reenter new passphrase: # geli setkey -n 1 /dev/da2 Enter passphrase: (enter security officer's passphrase) Enter new passphrase: (let your employee enter his passphrase ...) Reenter new passphrase: (... twice) Following this path, I have encrypted a provider, ada0p4 # geli init -e aes-xts -l 256 -K geli.key /dev/ada0p4 Enter new passphrase: # I enter my passphrase Reenter new passphrase: # I re-enter my passphrase all is good. Now, I am trying to set up the passphrase for the colleague # geli setkey n 1 -k geli.key /dev/ada0p4 Enter passphrase: # entered my passphrase Enter new passphrase: # entered colleague's passphrase Reenter new passphrase: # re-entered colleague's passphrase Now, as I try to attach using colleague's passphrase, I get a Wrong key error. My key works fine. # geli attach -k geli.key /dev/ada0p4 Enter passphrase: # I put colleague's passphrase Wrong key I am not sure what I am doing wrong. any pointer will be greatly appreciated. If you require further information, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks and regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 20:56:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2601BBEB2E7 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from nodeunit.com (mx01.nodeunit.ch [192.186.89.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF96E7D for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from asrock-lan (unknown [10.7.7.6]) by nodeunit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 578224F76D for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:46:30 -0400 From: George To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem installing 10.3/10.2 or 11 on Soekris 6501 Message-ID: <20160926164630.02e4f935@asrock-lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:56:14 -0000 Hi guys, I am trying to install from an i386 img file on a USB stick to a Soekris Net6501 and I keep having problems. 10.3: Says that the base package checksum is wrong and I need to re-download it and try again. 10.2: Says installation aborted and lets me try again or exit. 11.0: Is just not working gets stuck somewhere once the boot starts. The machine has a dual Intel Atom 6xx 1000 MHz and 4 nics. I have used OpenBSD on it for a long time without problems. I have switched a number of USB sticks and this one actually gets the installer working as evident by where it stops. The downloaded i386 checksum are perfectly fine when checked so what gives...??? I will try another version to make sure it is not the version I am having a problem with. Any ideas, suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance, George From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 21:00:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2548ABEB403 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEDA4FB6 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8QL0Ecx011284 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8QL0C8M083012 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:00:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) To: freebsd-questions From: Mike Tancsa Subject: ppp installing unwanted route Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:59:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:00:16 -0000 This seems like a bit of deja vu, but I cant seem to recall if the problem went away in the past or I worked around it. I am trying to manage failover via an ethernet connection, and a PPPoE connection as a backup route. Dynamic routing happens via quagga / BGP. The problem is, ppp seems to inject a default route, even when its not configured to. My ppp stanza looks like pppoe: add 192.168.153.2 HISADDR set device PPPoE:igb2 set server /var/run/vdsl-internet "" 0177 set speed sync enable echo disable vjcomp set cd 15 set dial set login set timeout 0 set lqrperiod 10 set authname spare2@domain set authkey the password set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 there are no ppp.link[up|down] files. If I start the box without ppp running, the routing table according to quagga looks as expected > sh ip route Codes: K - kernel route, C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, O - OSPF, I - IS-IS, B - BGP, P - PIM, A - Babel, > - selected route, * - FIB route B>* 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:00:46 the default route is picked up from its configured peer via bgp via the ethernet connection learned over bgp. > sh ip bgp BGP table version is 0, local router ID is 192.168.254.12 Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, = multipath, i internal, r RIB-failure, S Stale, R Removed Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 0.0.0.0 10.255.255.1 102 65060 i *> 172.30.84.0/24 0.0.0.0 0 32768 i Displayed 2 out of 2 total prefixes The shell confirms as well # netstat -nr | grep def default 10.255.255.1 UG1 85 1500 igb0 # Then I start up ppp # ppp -ddial pppoe Working in ddial mode Using interface: tun0 and the default route is gone but quagga sees some kernel route across tun0, but its not really there. > sh ip route Codes: K - kernel route, C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, O - OSPF, I - IS-IS, B - BGP, P - PIM, A - Babel, > - selected route, * - FIB route K>* 0.0.0.0/0 via 67.43.128.14, tun0 B 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:04:49 if I kill off ppp, the default route gets re-added, and I see that old kernel route as an inactive stale entry > sh ip route Codes: K - kernel route, C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, O - OSPF, I - IS-IS, B - BGP, P - PIM, A - Babel, > - selected route, * - FIB route K 0.0.0.0/0 via 67.43.128.14 inactive B>* 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:07:02 Any ideas whats going on ? ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 26 21:50:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B6FBEB3C6 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lylakrp@radiobaltica.ru) Received: from radiobaltica.ru (radiobaltica.ru [194.67.208.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E021D93 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lylakrp@radiobaltica.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=mail; d=radiobaltica.ru; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; i=lylakrp@radiobaltica.ru; bh=LlQcm5XMt0xbQM/4kN+q0DwCqe0=; b=iyK45kypPVX8NpzvwtcjNJKLVLKaqKZAcNSp3AkGvL7fedgc2DeCPIw8XYUcMRXpUa3g18yVjRX1 zBX8JNeuELZYXCfj6meFDSmpdZw0Vgmp56/+FoCDarshITz7j1vDCsrVzHYmxIbfnihliMjcSwr4 uQ4Pjn0b52oqdP3SBRY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; q=dns; s=mail; d=radiobaltica.ru; b=S8k/eXS4fFMiGXxW4lHIboQKuzeTsbrDB1W/Fr9GWl44LJ6xPF7Fuvynf44ANu/D20Jf2kjfKY59 whB5du1pTTPYuXsID0/RP5GB7g2b8JxZicR8kAN5NfcZvif6XvEY6hi23PXWgZgE8XkEATkDH7zh zwgnJGdxrg0rudn8iDM=; Message-ID: <4EB4FEBA15C1F360BCB9F048FC3153DC@radiobaltica.ru> From: "SwissArmy" To: Subject: =?windows-1251?B?1+Dx+yD44uXp9uDw8eru6SDg8Ozo6CDk6/8g?= =?windows-1251?B?7eDx8u7/+eXj7iDs8+b36O37IQ==?= Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 00:48:58 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:50:36 -0000 =D7=E0=F1=FB =F8=E2=E5=E9=F6=E0=F0=F1=EA=EE=E9 =E0=F0=EC=E8=E8 =E4=EB=FF = =ED=E0=F1=F2=EE=FF=F9=E5=E3=EE =EC=F3=E6=F7=E8=ED=FB! 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[24.165.201.26]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n92sm9114712ioi.25.2016.09.26.16.06.40 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57E9AA0D.4050505@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:06:53 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: ppp installing unwanted route References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 23:06:43 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > This seems like a bit of deja vu, but I cant seem to recall if the > problem went away in the past or I worked around it. > > I am trying to manage failover via an ethernet connection, and a PPPoE > connection as a backup route. Dynamic routing happens via quagga / BGP. > The problem is, ppp seems to inject a default route, even when its not > configured to. My ppp stanza looks like > > > pppoe: > add 192.168.153.2 HISADDR > set device PPPoE:igb2 > set server /var/run/vdsl-internet "" 0177 > set speed sync > enable echo > disable vjcomp > set cd 15 > set dial > set login > set timeout 0 > set lqrperiod 10 > set authname spare2@domain > set authkey the password > set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 > > > there are no ppp.link[up|down] files. > > If I start the box without ppp running, the routing table according to > quagga looks as expected > > >> sh ip route > Codes: K - kernel route, C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, > O - OSPF, I - IS-IS, B - BGP, P - PIM, A - Babel, > > - selected route, * - FIB route > > B>* 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:00:46 > > the default route is picked up from its configured peer via bgp via the > ethernet connection learned over bgp. > > >> sh ip bgp > BGP table version is 0, local router ID is 192.168.254.12 > Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, = > multipath, > i internal, r RIB-failure, S Stale, R Removed > Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete > > Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path > *> 0.0.0.0 10.255.255.1 102 65060 i > *> 172.30.84.0/24 0.0.0.0 0 32768 i > > Displayed 2 out of 2 total prefixes > > > The shell confirms as well > > # netstat -nr | grep def > default 10.255.255.1 UG1 85 1500 igb0 > # > > Then I start up ppp > > # ppp -ddial pppoe > Working in ddial mode > Using interface: tun0 > > and the default route is gone > > but quagga sees some kernel route across tun0, but its not really there. > >> sh ip route > Codes: K - kernel route, C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, > O - OSPF, I - IS-IS, B - BGP, P - PIM, A - Babel, > > - selected route, * - FIB route > > K>* 0.0.0.0/0 via 67.43.128.14, tun0 > B 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:04:49 > > if I kill off ppp, the default route gets re-added, and I see that old > kernel route as an inactive stale entry > >> sh ip route > Codes: K - kernel route, C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, > O - OSPF, I - IS-IS, B - BGP, P - PIM, A - Babel, > > - selected route, * - FIB route > > K 0.0.0.0/0 via 67.43.128.14 inactive > B>* 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:07:02 > > > Any ideas whats going on ? > > ---Mike > > > Try adding these two lines disable iface-alias iface clear From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 01:19:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C128DBEAE13 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90F25F9C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8R1JTLB023650 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8R1JR18084086; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:19:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: ppp installing unwanted route To: Ernie Luzar References: <57E9AA0D.4050505@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: <8541d657-aa02-a21e-d624-e6a261523348@sentex.net> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:19:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57E9AA0D.4050505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:19:31 -0000 On 9/26/2016 7:06 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > disable iface-alias > iface clear Thanks, unfortunately, no change :( K>* 0.0.0.0/0 via 67.43.128.14, tun0 B 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:02:00 ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 05:54:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8AFBEBC40 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snowiswhite@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22a.google.com (mail-lf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C7B43E2 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snowiswhite@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id b71so8912461lfg.0 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:54:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YItV+Blz0NRN0OZLs4Kim4ItD2xqlbINStynRMahjwM=; b=QlgjxO4NMSjPywfBHjONwjOfHY2BsX87iMKW7od7HWpaCAyF/G0YZ6h+jVLFHtHT5A v4fZgrI0dug0+qUNHjyeGk7zamf/L5dtW6x1xS8ON4N+9rjcrS4U2bhPHkgTaSW47t9E vgqmtoYSiByRHVPVEtqn9kU2wQhpTaU1yQ490+SGZ5stCl9XxiIttajYswTChXpUsxYg 5+oDbQCc2ekv2o/bk3UUL+Ddzn7T/MNEEFLjELoxWT7f56dkxLM8fh/UANtjyJ6peHjC MdOdjcFCcdZ+ri+dtWLoFKFklZKjaqt4+PObEdOjd48cGJ1Szocbhln5rxYkKRUs3bWu hT/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YItV+Blz0NRN0OZLs4Kim4ItD2xqlbINStynRMahjwM=; b=hUOnbUwMKlgb1wmg34z2e2GvZ/4/MkEL4i5lpgWTHFahgZ+V+ZOSgWWAoxluYyms6c JRHMWUeUe7qOqXa1nU7f9h+6r1mCJIpWIdech5b6yxdDNNNi4kH6ctjEYqXuj3CubqSn UAxGzpke2UUwFCVizd7O91837hxBwBxF42FxMj8EW3crGbT8dC767Ssf6yj+d1GCrr7d 4CNF1k8ueAdoU7UnAmUXVE8XgZGbyT76AdyLESYx5raNjrqFLDmK9WoEggkVzfTiI6bU ZRlEk15BekT9D6OTWBMADgWUwTBRqCmqBnJVWM9UWTFVfqP+3tQSYOA0RHz4NyIP9vZl kpyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnGCGoIswRTyxjAA76K2WnfO8HoQulofka99QLL2ZhWJtyafB45xUf5b06+gHd12g== X-Received: by 10.28.174.76 with SMTP id x73mr1211809wme.60.1474955689206; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.122.60.215] (23.235.197.178.dynamic.wless.lssmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch. [178.197.235.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w9sm686579wjf.47.2016.09.26.22.54.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Problem installing 10.3/10.2 or 11 on Soekris 6501 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160926164630.02e4f935@asrock-lan> From: Chris Ernst Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:54:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160926164630.02e4f935@asrock-lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 05:54:51 -0000 Hi George two years ago i installed FreeBSD on my net-5501. Ever since the box has been running rock-solid and without any issues. :) But i also had my issues installing FreeBSD for the first time. Using the steps which are described at http://wiki.soekris.info/More_on_VirtualBox i was able to succeed. I followed the procedure which is overwritten with: *3. VirtualBox VM setup* As i used VirtualBox on Windows the steps had to be modified slightly but along those lines i was able to install FreeBSD on the SD-Card directly. You should definitely give this a try. all the best Chris On 26.09.2016 22:46, George wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am trying to install from an i386 img file on a USB stick to a > Soekris Net6501 and I keep having problems. > > 10.3: Says that the base package checksum is wrong and I need to > re-download it and try again. > > 10.2: Says installation aborted and lets me try again or exit. > > 11.0: Is just not working gets stuck somewhere once the boot starts. > > The machine has a dual Intel Atom 6xx 1000 MHz and 4 nics. I have used > OpenBSD on it for a long time without problems. > > I have switched a number of USB sticks and this one actually gets the > installer working as evident by where it stops. The downloaded i386 > checksum are perfectly fine when checked so what gives...??? > > I will try another version to make sure it is not the version I am > having a problem with. Any ideas, suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks in advance, > George > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 08:22:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612A6BE9174 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedrzejczak.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E028887 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedrzejczak.michal@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id g67so8861419qkd.0 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TDseWEq+9601Oe8TOoAoQ6orKFm3QcTgnrqbY/jsCgw=; b=aHIw1DWGc+dZnok/641svuotc32JJzSrsvEDxu8bDuz7e7Gf84DBseW6szlbNt/rmo X8gO5rKU4cmgv/WjfUls0c9OawGOgvjX8hSXEnmBdU6fpNRP5s+Y7pQGkl1HEFEAn4Kp nK/G8pv0EkOhYf3uzgJmcEJlOk/HKWQZiQksqWqYMyXf8dg3Ir5NLPt9sFd6q1Mx3pzx q+NSgfJuQyqGXm7r0jXOl9zryAM0b0saRflGFYBul4mmCs32H4HUPSXarhF2a7D2Cb1r uRbzOuEHVZHpmx1NeVIPylewg4Awc5+NsOHAMXwfgqko3ZG8syiJ7YItO5rJUW1lODbQ UGyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TDseWEq+9601Oe8TOoAoQ6orKFm3QcTgnrqbY/jsCgw=; b=ggIcOkDNQaDjU2yLBU8Tcwilae06KUup8xAszEscEFiAu873atsovCvDpOB/tTQ0lw 6Z6ZaOmlpUFg5yrAiEnff5xf+5J+GWOjSIc0tk5IJN46hyRdGwUVVQCZcFXlh7qI2aXD 2MHAeQ6nyUHM4V1p43oEq83wYzd9D9p9DNniyXHSxCi47cCWgVFd5WktXvRkvupQ9nuo cWbjKZ2jSrUTayNxw90DaqNXUqqxU7+NZXbCO/IXTT8wj1R4vK1D3nya8QyP+/LBZM01 7QTHmUsdbhEUgZK6TqssSUXyGw13I8wMnSJbmnN5tVTOPOvGkkJgfvPo6A8i268TsQX5 HUDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMalhcyYAIdZWBi4kOWUvndQcRf94XsqVXiCKXqLXnjY+2PGhcdIdtbfwImIsvtRD7Z8PoNADcNDwf3yA== X-Received: by 10.195.3.4 with SMTP id bs4mr26191015wjd.193.1474964571168; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:22:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.97.42 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 01:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiAu?= Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:22:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: i386 version in future ? To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:22:52 -0000 Hello I've stupid/not stupid question to FreeBSD Foundation. You have plans to stop release the i386 (32bit) version of FreeBSD system in next releases ? Regards Micha=C5=82 J=C4=99drzejczak From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 08:52:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A741CBE9A58 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13F147D0 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1474966160; bh=8xcKCziwwZnXR/Gdysuzc8eCL2rIDKY9Sv8ns99VJ5c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=ALRjcVc3evWdsDS221uLWozVVa+hKnTXd7d65vh5C3sgNYkCp/7zWEDi6rsDXTCkCV4u8pFqNbEFECRg3kd0HghHMaIHcFheQKoErdD0yve5A5FiqrGAZNvRdavBWk5RvoetYezhqtoPvvOhNmagy16rHqfPoeKl7Otu/O42kFTemQ4OngUek/NmQdbvxF9MRghBsW+Ao+XtohNGayoSFoOpOUy+7tCWBxe3LH/RmOYQBXO2AruXjswL2jQhvqV36XQIUnkHC3Si6d8U2+F4kdl3s1bf8uP6E/vcKDede3LKZ8x4/LBtx9deNOb0vlLpvd/tQHPZjeD1aP0OJyaWvw== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm34.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2016 08:49:20 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.94] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2016 08:49:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp131.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2016 08:49:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 53594.41181.bm@smtp131.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TbITFrMVM1nASgIonLjxD81uKkEZevlqUJ7lWO8Vyr8KEQt zvBCrS_nPMIQ8rzuXAOCbcFQSt88eoveej1BC45kuLRgQL5tuKryXDqkQ2RS q22tuCvrPTAYmVVRqYjj41_r8SYKUvRq.3Y1_VdmgaaeYu4PFku4JTuMWYZ3 PGzb_HAuKLhxMvoklYHXEn7jTahqfJqceyu89gWRfXVyNRQvApsHxwcagQDP 2x8b8jsiAuF._NrwnZq.8m9lEbySXeS86I4Gj4QjtmTD9bh_5erKX_SVoj4q wTgDtwshvnbmSccQ3Idjk3sc0wiRtFqnI8IT7GGwhfiS8ztYrFEAUce2gYfw t3HORECboVzlNPv.R1kfwm2paR9B1ZTPvP7l92tHHkcwj5h0cYr15quAGEh9 1KxDEpawfeTjhKlu4Qcm0hEcfrT4i2JONg6E8h6.d.jo9IrU22_bVZm1cVml O.KWySGhcR7RTp1AuC7j5UGNBebRfAOPPTp7n2_9WrM36qGfJepuivYjA2on kk2VejzcSn57CzQjOWxNTVuQ7TanZb23eYlOXNKPwhpM80bXqz6qjLO9xh48 ZBJb361idd_CEGMCcUJiYEuX3aDg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:49:18 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160927104918.21e4c51b@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:52:29 -0000 On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:22:50 +0200, Micha=C5=82 . wrote: >I've stupid/not stupid question to FreeBSD Foundation. >You have plans to stop release the i386 (32bit) version of FreeBSD >system in next releases ? Hi, from where did you get this impression? Neither Google, nor the FreeBSD homepage's search lead to such an announcement. I only found a post about PC-BSD regarding 32 bit support, that for PC-BSD in the meantime perhaps already is dropped. Wikipedia mentions that FreeBSD will drop IA-64 support in 11.0, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Portability , but I couldn't find any information about dropping 32 bit architecture. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 08:53:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA005BE9B85 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A208AD for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39361858; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:53:06 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8R8rPAn097124; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:25 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8R8rMWY097121; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:22 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:53:29 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > I have a complete dump of a working system created by > > 'zfs send -Rv zroot@test1 > test1.zfs '. I think it's called a > > replication stream package. I also have a new hard drive. Then I > > create the freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap and freebsd-zfs partitions on > > the new drive, install the bootloader on it. > > > > Now what command exactly do I use to restore the system from > > test1.zfs? I have tried "zfs receive" with different combinations of > > options but each time I and with some error message like "destination > > exists..." > > > > Please refer me to a good howto on restoring a system from a > > replication stream package. > > Here are the steps I used to restore a "level zero" zfs file onto a > new/fresh mirror. [dd] > > #make sure /mnt2 exists > zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none zroot mirror > /dev/ada0p3 /dev/ada1p3 > > gzcat /mnt/zroot-.0.gz | zfs recv -vF zroot Mike, that's very useful information, thank you very much. However, there are a couple of questions left. 1. When you boot from this pool later on a restored system, don't the "-o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off" options prevent it from working normally? I gather that "altroot" is not persistent across reboots, but "canmount" probably is. 2. If you wanted to check "zfs recv" without actually restoring it, what what you do? I keep getting the "cannot receive incremental stream" error: # zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none foobar1 /dev/vtbd2 # zfs receive -vFn foobar1 < /mnt/test1.zfs would receive full stream of zroot@test1 into foobar1@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var@test1 into foobar1/var@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/mail@test1 into foobar1/var/mail@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/crash@test1 into foobar1/var/crash@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/tmp@test1 into foobar1/var/tmp@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/audit@test1 into foobar1/var/audit@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/log@test1 into foobar1/var/log@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/tmp@test1 into foobar1/tmp@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/ROOT@test1 into foobar1/ROOT@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 into foobar1/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 cannot receive incremental stream: destination 'foobar1/ROOT/test1' does not exist # > > #import it, but its probably already there so dont worry about the error > zpool import -f -o altroot=/mnt2 zroot > zpool set bootfs=zroot/ROOT/default zroot > > ... You should now be able to boot off the restored mirror. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 09:04:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E6DBEB16C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from venus.codepro.be (venus.codepro.be [IPv6:2a01:4f8:162:1127::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.codepro.be", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F0C6EA2 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.228.1] (vega.codepro.be [IPv6:2a01:4f8:162:1127::3]) (Authenticated sender: kp) by venus.codepro.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AEA3360AE; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:03:58 +0200 (CEST) From: "Kristof Provost" To: "=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82?= ." Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:03:57 +0200 Message-ID: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6056) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:04:01 -0000 On 27 Sep 2016, at 10:22, Michał . wrote: > I've stupid/not stupid question to FreeBSD Foundation. That’s not a foundation decision. The foundation supports the project financially and legally. It does not make any technical decisions regarding the direction of the project. > You have plans to stop release the i386 (32bit) version of FreeBSD > system > in next releases ? > I’m not aware of (and would be very surprised by) any plans to drop support for i386. There are many applications for embedded x86 boards, so it will remain a useful architecture for the foreseeable future. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 11:10:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85D3BEB47D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B2AD50 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:62308] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 35/AF-06698-BEF4AE75; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:54:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:53:58 +0000 Message-ID: <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.142:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=OqXBykPt c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:117 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=U_YWUPiRAAAA:8 a=slgcCbPu8YkezPrPeRgA:9 a=ZQexOOmx111-V4wMRFIF:22 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:10:01 -0000 > On 27 Sep 2016, at 10:22, Michał . wrote: > > I've stupid/not stupid question to FreeBSD Foundation. > That’s not a foundation decision. The foundation supports the project > financially and legally. It does not make any technical decisions regarding > the > direction of the project. > > You have plans to stop release the i386 (32bit) version of FreeBSD system > > in next releases ? > I’m not aware of (and would be very surprised by) any plans to drop support > for > i386. There are many applications for embedded x86 boards, so it will remain a > useful architecture for the foreseeable future. > Regards, > Kristof Some applications run only on 32-bit, or the 32-bit version is better developed: wine, for instance. Bitrig, forked from OpenBSD (bitrig.org), supports amd64 but not i386. DragonFlyBSD quit 32-bit i386. Some Linux distributions have also quit i386. But for older computers, as well as applications that require or do better on i386, I would vote to retain i386, and I believe this is the consensus among FreeBSD developers. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 11:45:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C50BEB25C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm35-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm35-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94313FF7 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1474976519; bh=5lcJn+08u8N1qXNTjrc8HKL9nkf9IiDq/E83kAnX2T4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=j22Ow8/+Xh3FtoWmYu/aMGutPw91FN1IIizWXL6wEzzt866dVSGLCn2P75EJIE3BPXBgI8gl5k6ur2qKBf/SCNF2xSqhW965m04ei4oU6L/bPu+/QpmgqYFhDavzgr7Ho/DcCLeTEkq6Lgw7ewpH8ufagHDT1d4hYH3vj0akOouSufRm7iExf/42rq1AuqK2rcF1CGzBNg5qay97GJZhG4cqV5L0Qe/bG5vuAS4EKU7Xv6epc+TFBqfYV2x4ZJ3vLqcoMRjv7ZEvCE9bw93qvldfLajzcVr/YaJ9FtUV38tUvxj3TYqxcgnpJiq8DRpADTVxfYdPM8qHOvPIfFWiJQ== Received: from [212.82.98.51] by nm35.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2016 11:41:59 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.88] by tm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2016 11:41:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2016 11:41:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 955189.62424.bm@smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: jzjpRxEVM1low_v7Jbr7CqHceqmHD3YbxxwGyxZZhh86rDr gzn_inTkSjnuaZ_ky3lW2ocu6CCR7QHXlqfOXwNN.xxrBO_xyD8wwI4HPURV .x9Y.wYQLLwroUmrirQ6WGqPao5vSekbbczsWt0sms.Cwy3ztjmvTHA4k6ev wn9v1j4lGMPzsSTLrb8CSxcFLbz57ObPb1fKwQOTXm6PSjE9laeJ.WGyEjZN NnHScRIUdpind.vJlr6DI0.s3OrzpVTJbYyIVTXG.43No_ksMF3bcmu80ERi TZLmCHmA1IM_Jlggmmc9omB7LjFSP7T0J6_wAASDV_XAUtDusAl5bqlkQF4p JkOPsoMQE8prxXGHehDVXUPqwT5UXykkGIqxoKAEGGASLlwfOK_I2N1sXMhZ z_L.cvEC9VSRJa3wK8AvZXbSPCrTz8G35zHAqSv_JrGl0nZuLfGZDHD8zB8N rxohjWkcTy6WRQqtdEVVnyYgh7Ue4ndx8T4mMfJFj2Mf2i5gHJfLbRBlN1US G_MhoN.7AeZMjp.RBZtbwIdSbv_.YIHcGBOYZPWoRShSCiQ5OkFL4ZRVjElr 59ihyxDhz9Kd92b4FYbPU8j7Mfks- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:41:58 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:45:06 -0000 On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:53:58 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: >Some Linux distributions have also quit i386. Perhaps, but non of the major distros I know. Since a long time ago Ubuntu 32 bit kernels by default have PAE enabled, so if a non-PAE kernel should be required, the user needs to build it. Ubuntu will drop 32 bit architecture support in a few years for their "normal" ISOs and repositories, but there still will be ports to get regular 32 bit architecture packages, let alone that 32 bit architecture won't be dropped for Ubuntu snaps. Arch will continue 32 bit architecture, but perhaps enable SSE2 for some packages, that don't have it enabled now. Note, Arch has got a FreeBSD alike build system, ABS, so users could easily build packages with SSE2 disabled. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 13:02:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1733BEB1C6 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from nodeunit.com (mx01.m1list.com [192.186.89.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46A7C98 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from asrock-lan (unknown [10.7.7.6]) by nodeunit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B4A14F52E for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:02:07 -0400 From: George To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem installing 10.3/10.2 or 11 on Soekris 6501 Message-ID: <20160927090207.409d5125@asrock-lan> In-Reply-To: References: <20160926164630.02e4f935@asrock-lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:02:10 -0000 On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:54:52 +0200 Chris Ernst wrote: > Hi George > > two years ago i installed FreeBSD on my net-5501. Ever since the box > has been running rock-solid and without any issues. :) > > But i also had my issues installing FreeBSD for the first time. > Using the steps which are described at > http://wiki.soekris.info/More_on_VirtualBox i was able to succeed. > I followed the procedure which is overwritten with: > *3. VirtualBox VM setup* > > As i used VirtualBox on Windows the steps had to be modified slightly > but along those lines i was able to install FreeBSD on the SD-Card > directly. > > You should definitely give this a try. > all the best > Chris Hi Chris, Thanks for the pointer. I managed to "get over" the issue by changing the USB stick with a different one and changing the hard drive from OCZ SSD to a WD Green. I could only install 10.1 as 10.3 would not work and 10.2 would fail with missing mount partition upon reboot from the HD. Now I am trying to upgrade to 10.3 once logged into the system to see if that will work or not. The machine is getting kind of old with it's i386 CPUs which limits my options as to what I can put on it and probably triggers more bugs then necessary. Getting the downloads, imaging USB sticks and doing install has taken a lot of time though... Thanks for the pointer I will refer to it should my current path hit a road block ;) and it is good for anyone else looking for a solution after. Cheers, George > > On 26.09.2016 22:46, George wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I am trying to install from an i386 img file on a USB stick to a > > Soekris Net6501 and I keep having problems. > > > > 10.3: Says that the base package checksum is wrong and I need to > > re-download it and try again. > > > > 10.2: Says installation aborted and lets me try again or exit. > > > > 11.0: Is just not working gets stuck somewhere once the boot starts. > > > > The machine has a dual Intel Atom 6xx 1000 MHz and 4 nics. I have > > used OpenBSD on it for a long time without problems. > > > > I have switched a number of USB sticks and this one actually gets > > the installer working as evident by where it stops. The downloaded > > i386 checksum are perfectly fine when checked so what gives...??? > > > > I will try another version to make sure it is not the version I am > > having a problem with. Any ideas, suggestions are welcome. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > George > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 14:01:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F194BEC377 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02204D76 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id w84so177930882wmg.1 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:01:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ovbsff4d2DgskkMsYt3HFEyp16JP9bwVyTEENlz4WPg=; b=e12Owkuhxc05qVSfqqtajtWQwJrCeqJcIv7Vl0NVs3/DZIEP/7ItqTupj/024m6tgi EC5xktQphYRFw3LEPKGneqjvAy6URWlmCX805rno2xbyjLY8C0ABorUqDyHw/8t6AtHj i6x70vPsHas6uKesCLIIZySiu42JrOeJljiljVC0FjqwUq0+AxoZhjRxhcIr+ggYQ8IM eTwRSVynSmOuilU1VCXojLc9u0CJ4cCNNlWS2NFbCfY6rq2QCF+nKjTbF0vh+YlHP3rI wfrcKFV7uHJghy/67McKD7kksVo8/UzHAfnEPtFiGUedyLArsgsLRtL0ad8rgCmFxTvM /vvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ovbsff4d2DgskkMsYt3HFEyp16JP9bwVyTEENlz4WPg=; b=hOfEDrTGlmAcoztT+ltCuEOdXhIW59+KkGhiU+hs2s61vPWgPw/ui98RSHHb7YTYl/ v/kBvc8Y77FvMwgwv1OShoP31COLs1cX5Eg8IXy6dUiT1AjR3Q0OVLsSHE2+DjnBGoBr TwOD8/fv9H1QXeZLsqqDUYgVkNeh0RyuB/OBNF0SIU3WCZxJhc++uSs0u8wDWR/S/G3G buW13JLG/xcHjuKLMaK8tytK1SPC41gFdjvSjIFzIFjzHi61PGlRP8BfERRypyDbtvjA Bd7tMzKOhgsXZvCaRkOn+2YQ2J05CyhZgi+vqxyc4FN9Y9ASDGHfkxKosDeFSWxQ62kv LLNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmzbBcmjYoLBco5orsKEfAjz1MCE4D5IT/vHEEAgrdB1FEykoYcN1MDomg7bRUG3+EJLvKUTSap6QACww== X-Received: by 10.194.117.135 with SMTP id ke7mr10729002wjb.46.1474984889916; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.178.33 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.80.178.33 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:01:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: geli setkey n 1 anomaly :: or am I missing something To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:01:32 -0000 Good afternoon all, I am having some difficulty with geli. I am trying to set up an encrypted provider for my users, using the setkey feature, but it is not working. system: FreeBSD 11-RC3 from the man page Create an encrypted provider, but use two User Keys: one for your employee and one for you as the company's security officer (so it is not a tragedy if the employee "accidentally" forgets his passphrase): # geli init /dev/da2 Enter new passphrase: (enter security officer's passphrase) Reenter new passphrase: # geli setkey -n 1 /dev/da2 Enter passphrase: (enter security officer's passphrase) Enter new passphrase: (let your employee enter his passphrase ...) Reenter new passphrase: (... twice) Following this path, I have encrypted a provider, ada0p4 # geli init -e aes-xts -l 256 -K geli.key /dev/ada0p4 Enter new passphrase: # I enter my passphrase Reenter new passphrase: # I re-enter my passphrase all is good. Now, I am trying to set up the passphrase for the colleague # geli setkey n 1 -k geli.key /dev/ada0p4 Enter passphrase: # entered my passphrase Enter new passphrase: # entered colleague's passphrase Reenter new passphrase: # re-entered colleague's passphrase As I try to attach using colleague's passphrase, I get a Wrong key error. My key works fine. # geli attach -k geli.key /dev/ada0p4 Enter passphrase: # I put colleague's passphrase Wrong key I am not sure what I am doing wrong. any pointer will be greatly appreciated. If you require further information, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks and regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 14:28:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0738BECA12 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDF16C4E for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8RESK5M060446 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8RESI8O088908; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: ppp installing unwanted route To: Ernie Luzar References: <57E9AA0D.4050505@gmail.com> <8541d657-aa02-a21e-d624-e6a261523348@sentex.net> Cc: freebsd-questions From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:27:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8541d657-aa02-a21e-d624-e6a261523348@sentex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:28:22 -0000 On 9/26/2016 9:19 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 9/26/2016 7:06 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> disable iface-alias >> iface clear > > > Thanks, unfortunately, no change :( > > > K>* 0.0.0.0/0 via 67.43.128.14, tun0 > B 0.0.0.0/0 [20/0] via 10.255.255.1, igb0, 00:02:00 Using mpd, all works as expected. However, it would be nice to not have to install a port. changing the config a bit, if I remove the add xx.yy.zz.aa HISADDR I get the behaviour I want. ie. no route command inside the ppp.conf config. So back to the simple config of pppoe: #add 192.168.1.2/32 HISADDR set device PPPoE:igb2 set server /var/run/dsl-internet "" 0177 set speed sync enable echo disable vjcomp set cd 15 set dial set login set timeout 0 set lqrperiod 10 set authname username set authkey password set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 but without the route addition, it works. If I do it in ppp.linkup, the same issue. Whats odd is that I am not able to delete the route that ppp adds. /sbin/route does not see it, but quagga does still, but marks it as inactive. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 14:28:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65635BECA24 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay02.ispgateway.de (smtprelay02.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 299BFC6D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [78.35.139.249] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay02.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1botEu-00068A-Ep; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:20:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:16:13 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: Shamim Shahriar Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: geli setkey n 1 anomaly :: or am I missing something Message-ID: <20160927161613.38d87336@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/yrD0Xdw4MuNNrfYUwRvVyng"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:28:27 -0000 --Sig_/yrD0Xdw4MuNNrfYUwRvVyng Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shamim Shahriar wrote: > Good afternoon all, I am having some difficulty with geli. I am trying to > set up an encrypted provider for my users, using the setkey feature, but = it > is not working. >=20 > system: FreeBSD 11-RC3 >=20 > from the man page > Create an encrypted provider, but use two User Keys: one for your > employee and one for you as the company's security officer (so it is > not > a tragedy if the employee "accidentally" forgets his passphrase): >=20 > # geli init /dev/da2 > Enter new passphrase: (enter security officer's passphrase) > Reenter new passphrase: > # geli setkey -n 1 /dev/da2 > Enter passphrase: (enter security officer's passphrase) > Enter new passphrase: (let your employee enter his passphrase > ...) > Reenter new passphrase: (... twice) >=20 > Following this path, I have encrypted a provider, ada0p4 >=20 > # geli init -e aes-xts -l 256 -K geli.key /dev/ada0p4 >=20 > Enter new passphrase: # I enter my passphrase > Reenter new passphrase: # I re-enter my passphrase >=20 > all is good. >=20 > Now, I am trying to set up the passphrase for the colleague > # geli setkey n 1 -k geli.key /dev/ada0p4 > Enter passphrase: # entered my passphrase > Enter new passphrase: # entered colleague's passphrase > Reenter new passphrase: # re-entered colleague's passphrase You probably meant to add "-K geli.key" to also use a keyfile for the second slot. > As I try to attach using colleague's passphrase, I get a Wrong key error. > My key works fine. >=20 > # geli attach -k geli.key /dev/ada0p4 > Enter passphrase: # I put colleague's passphrase > Wrong key This is expected as no keyfile has been configured for the second slot. Fabian --Sig_/yrD0Xdw4MuNNrfYUwRvVyng Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlfqfy4ACgkQBYqIVf93VJ35HwCgi2sCeKCzGV3kTvuYFpoHkdON DDAAnRnuiABdcHi8n7d6UePscHpT1/+N =f+P4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/yrD0Xdw4MuNNrfYUwRvVyng-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 15:12:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38D6BEB4DA for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1496822D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id u8RFCN7m072298; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:12:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:12:23 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: David Christensen cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20160927032651.T6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:12:36 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 643, Issue 1, Message: 5 On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:36:15 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > Using Debian GNU/Linux 7.11, I downloaded > FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img and burned it to a USB flash drive: > > # time dd if=FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img of=/dev/sdc > bs=1M conv=sync; sync > 659+1 records in > 660+0 records out > 692060160 bytes (692 MB) copied, 141.567 s, 4.9 MB/s > > real 2m21.571s > user 0m0.004s > sys 0m1.696s > > > If I compute the checksum immediately after burning, it matches the > published checksum: > > # time dd if=/dev/sdc count=1350917 | sha256sum -b > ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 *- > 1350917+0 records in > 1350917+0 records out > 691669504 bytes (692 MB) copied, 43.252 s, 16.0 MB/s > > real 0m43.257s > user 0m7.236s > sys 0m3.496s > > # grep > ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 > CHECKSUM.SHA256-FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386 > SHA256 (FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img) = > ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 > > > But after using the USB flash drive to install FreeBSD, the checksum has > changed: > > # dd if=/dev/sdc count=1350917 | sha256sum -b > 1350917+0 records in > 1350917+0 records out > bd159b85486322febe992226bbec9c86d96d70dd1e5a8b7c6f0bb9d29eb50df3 *- > 691669504 bytes (692 MB) copied, 42.989 s, 16.1 MB/s > > > Therefore, the FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer has > changed the contents of the USB flash drive. Just checking .. did you only access the stick by reading with dd? That is, that you never mounted it for a look around - requiring mounting it -o ro, or at least noatime, to avoid directory atime updating on reads? > Why? Where? i.e, where on the memstick does it first differ from its memstick.img file? You can use cmp(1) to locate the first difference, reduce the byte count to sectors (N) then perhaps: dd if=memstick.img skip=$((N-1)) count=8 | hd > image.4k.hd dd if=/dev/da$whatever skip=$((N-1)) count=8 | hd > stick.4k.hd diff -u image.4k.hd stick.4k.hd I just checked my FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img vs the stick I'd dd'd it to, to find amongst others in the first lot of differences "/media" which is a local directory I'd mounted it on at some stage .. this was just past 8k into the image, so I didn't need to skip further. If anything but atimes are modified, that would be very interesting .. I thought installation didn't write anything to the source stick at all. Like Perry H, I'd like to add a small partition to memsticks to write stuff to, at least from 'live CD' mode, if not a shell from installer. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 15:33:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1DBBEBB36 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x232.google.com (mail-yw0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB733D1F for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x232.google.com with SMTP id t67so10596077ywg.3 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HPcW+xCr7O39tknDrDe7Xj/ebMfo4tx41Acp0BWeq3o=; b=dlDdBsJ2qfTjlfxpZR8XTPMiMYhgRhxX5Wj/PyP4EZpiwkFYAscURbWr9Kn+38P4Ro Oa1A/ZknoqGDjBBtpmp2c5du6qXrnTlyju/AO5L4fNFBv++jgeXHuYIEZI+h1UP3fzia QtlPetkRMDEq/2piOZbWMqGsWZfKjP2oyVJOPW9ZfsKIWmbXLvaHh2KlOnMyNJR3Ov/Y sRdYswQgFtj0CE7jbtmDPf0FKqK3r32+zKINWdKnIwYkvsoQiu2HyIhAiLfieGja303v eM5OQRKFAV3Gu9m3ogpGrv7b7wc/Pugw/rgjJGFJgdXxcMNv2rPHE/4KSoepZdnuyHEH UgFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HPcW+xCr7O39tknDrDe7Xj/ebMfo4tx41Acp0BWeq3o=; b=Hk/DT1mquo0SjjyH82G/E/kwThSgzJFObE08KkVUsGBW5Dqhk3Hk26AzjLCznTFUN1 CeJEG2hbu9Nt2vy/8wpKQOF/Dt5EzJag11U7zLU6IkfvDU4ZR4FkKncsi/G7V7/XlxYV HNVGdtcNSHAMfA9ZsXx/MO+kTaju3pu1ciiZ70j1rrri79Gs9WpdfiX1vG1DwH4OEgLS brV88aWOkVv6A1S/M4GlGDDh0j6eorFT0zxqvoIoirzrxWNEmXGm873migY96znYhVwk uOueZBuYH6/b4VhpLBqukohUNgNb0SU3ymFDY1H71/oLd9OtfqIBHpJjdEx53eJgat6m uRLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMyIau7H5THV9PTIjSs1GAJTqrhizNqd0XSiZ4D6EzBhCBUr0Rfpy+Yc8NIjHw0qDpiRvKC/Ft/QrZw6Q== X-Received: by 10.129.43.136 with SMTP id r130mr19863594ywr.49.1474990415088; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.88.214 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:33:36 -0000 On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:53:58 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > >Some Linux distributions have also quit i386. > > Perhaps, but non of the major distros I know. Since a long time ago > Ubuntu 32 bit kernels by default have PAE enabled, so if a non-PAE > kernel should be required, the user needs to build it. Ubuntu will drop > 32 bit architecture support in a few years for their "normal" ISOs and > repositories, but there still will be ports to get regular 32 bit > architecture packages, let alone that 32 bit architecture won't be > dropped for Ubuntu snaps. Arch will continue 32 bit architecture, but > perhaps enable SSE2 for some packages, that don't have it enabled now. > Note, Arch has got a FreeBSD alike build system, ABS, so users could > easily build packages with SSE2 disabled. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > > Previously , I was also thinking that dropping i386 would be useful to divert efforts to improve amd64 a little more . Now , I am thinking that dropping i386 is not so much useful because - 64 bit CPU will consume more power than only 32 bit CPU . If a job can be processed by a 32 bit CPU , it is not necessary to use a 64 bit CPU . This will reduce size of CPU , and for small devices means less power . - FreeBSD is a "basic" operating system , in the sense that it is used in many diverse areas . To support very small and power efficient 32 bit processors , FreeBSD has primary importance . - Distributions based on FreeBSD , may decide to drop i386 , and I support their decisions because they are targeting a special area such as Intel like processor using desktops . In that case , trying to support i386 is only a waste of resources . Even a distribution may only support i386 or only another 32 bit CPU when its target does not include 64 bit . In that case also trying generate a 64 bit distribution obviously will be useless for them . For reasons such as above supporting i386 ( or 32 bit ) distributions by FreeBSD will be useful up to disappearing of i386 like processors from the market . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 15:35:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5136BEBC63 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E37BE2F for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E419206FD for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:35:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=nw9 zpdDcaIC/PU4fUB58tcpiHFg=; b=NuK7lrsSRKpreLaJzQBTiQq+XxoW9Hk8FIj U7AtH5Kl9zb34Gw2UJwy7WoBfLEqqHto+P0SQFED2xTeb2SkzXvRasJ+QMRtuRsr zgn8FuXuRRwjTLHMnUtEjrxp0P1/wH8eAhovcJOQJf2g8pc8X1PrDXq8qxlR35To T12NkhXU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=nw9zpdDcaIC/PU4fUB58tcpiHFg=; b=n7yde 8VvdkB7eR1IRJPWgfaMUniePOIyl6zfSE/t2M60xPKlFEcotW0iwVo2zs71gOfBG Lv8EYQlM3GPG3A+L5QVNDzp60eCQWZujr9D1o+jhWyfKM14wEH93zd0sbF1DYZo3 PZcIVavJkIcYEsE5u1sMMFiDfE+LM84WIVeVi8= X-Sasl-enc: HKXPVm3m072q6jYsodkmZDEL9Kgmo0KAggj1cmYu7Ijc 1474990524 Received: from pumpkin.growveg.org (potato.growveg.org [82.70.91.102]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C2640F2C78 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:35:24 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: tech-lists Subject: PPPoE client with a public IP range Message-ID: <5f861eaf-8080-c71f-659b-d9e862b5db86@zyxst.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:35:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:35:26 -0000 Hello list, PPPoE (as client) seems easy enough to set up as per https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html but what I'm trying to get my head around is how do I make use of my five real IPs? So for example, on my freebsd client there's two network cards, rl0 and rl1. rl0 plugs into the LAN port of a dsl modem/bridge that outputs PPPoE. I want traffic from the LAN facing NIC (rl1) to be able to access the internet and vice-versa. Output from rl1 to the LAN goes into an (unmanaged) switch. A couple of machines with fixed public IPs (and their own firewalls) plug in there, and also a wireless router that serves private IPs via DHCP. How (and where) do I configure rl1? I presume in rc.conf, maybe I need PF as well, but what's the syntax for an IP range? Does rl0 need to be given an IP? thanks, -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 15:35:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F97FBEBC80 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@x99.amz-ssale.com) Received: from x99.amz-ssale.com (x99.amz-ssale.com [23.248.194.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90082E7C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@x99.amz-ssale.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=amz-ssale; d=x99.amz-ssale.com; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; i=admin@x99.amz-ssale.com; bh=ENcLd0eqFTu9XqGM5YlrbUucmh4=; b=omeZPuvKA1pS7Yefu13obR2d68CsO1tGoneI7mJjbDcpcPfxsFUEbpOFejLtMy47DQgaUp3ujbrq VH/oYdH2AFf1gZG2lt/9yLOL1OZDmKqkhssSR9em8BlbVKa6Z6w8hQad4AGIB32xUW6iTBrOT3Xc qeopiSRyafwGTM7/acM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; q=dns; s=amz-ssale; d=x99.amz-ssale.com; b=kY+lb/gVo3nR1+WEMd13+pNChzvCkQNvHSBYK4xwPhM4c09pApO1YtdDR3CGbU7Lcn9+7VVsAEnQ 8dxHe3lywqow97e/R+RQv9YxkQEwIy1xjgotVWDhUXvepNdaWeMzvie4Cm5/hjXPgM5YbkQOved5 adHCLxAZfZor6kIbO6Q=; From: "MichaelKors Sale" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: 27 Sep 2016 05:41:11 -0700 Subject: Must-See:Save Up To 90% OFF and Free Delivery348 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:35:35 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 15:53:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D738BEC48C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B459CAB for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8RFrXVi069974 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:53:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8RFrVsd089288; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:53:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Victor Sudakov References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:53:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:35 -0000 On 9/27/2016 4:53 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > 1. When you boot from this pool later on a restored system, don't the > "-o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off" options prevent it from > working normally? I gather that "altroot" is not persistent across > reboots, but "canmount" probably is. Its been a while, but when you do the zfs recv, I am guessing the properties are restored with it ? > > 2. If you wanted to check "zfs recv" without actually restoring it, > what what you do? I keep getting the "cannot receive incremental stream" error: Not sure. When you did this, perhaps you are restoring from an incremental send as opposed to a full send ? eg zfs snapshot -r zroot@backup zfs send -R zroot@backup > /nfs-mount-on-backup-server/zroot-full-snap.zfs ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 16:11:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29935BEC896; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-188.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBAD89C0; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.local (localhost [10.9.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8RGAw1q060746 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:10:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.dweimer.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u8RGAwto060745; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:10:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.dweimer.local: www set sender to dweimer@dweimer.net using -f To: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:10:58 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" Cc: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> Message-ID: <01a14cd5b6d92250da5affd41b02be7b@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:11:07 -0000 On 2016-09-27 10:53 am, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 9/27/2016 4:53 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> >> 1. When you boot from this pool later on a restored system, don't the >> "-o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off" options prevent it from >> working normally? I gather that "altroot" is not persistent across >> reboots, but "canmount" probably is. > > Its been a while, but when you do the zfs recv, I am guessing the > properties are restored with it ? > >> >> 2. If you wanted to check "zfs recv" without actually restoring it, >> what what you do? I keep getting the "cannot receive incremental >> stream" error: > > Not sure. When you did this, perhaps you are restoring from an > incremental send as opposed to a full send ? > > eg > > zfs snapshot -r zroot@backup > zfs send -R zroot@backup > > /nfs-mount-on-backup-server/zroot-full-snap.zfs > > > > ---Mike I believe you should be using a -p on the zfs send comand to have it send properties, otherwise you need to first create the dataset with the properties and use zfs receive -F to restore the dataset over the existing dataset which will then inherit those properties. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 16:48:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E49BEC145 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38395C70 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8RGmEXP075789 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:48:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:5c30:ed1b:e203:c55c]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8RGmDkY089526; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: dweimer@dweimer.net References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <01a14cd5b6d92250da5affd41b02be7b@dweimer.net> Cc: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:48:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01a14cd5b6d92250da5affd41b02be7b@dweimer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:48:16 -0000 On 9/27/2016 12:10 PM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: >> zfs snapshot -r zroot@backup >> zfs send -R zroot@backup > >> /nfs-mount-on-backup-server/zroot-full-snap.zfs >> > > I believe you should be using a -p on the zfs send comand to have it > send properties, otherwise you need to first create the dataset with the > properties and use zfs receive -F to restore the dataset over the > existing dataset which will then inherit those properties. According to the docs, -p Include the dataset's properties in the stream. This flag is implicit when -R is specified. but probably good to specify on the CLI to make it more obvious/deliberate ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 17:27:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8D6BECA61 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 17:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@email5.live.com.eg) Received: from server6.live.com.eg (server6.live.com.eg [185.101.92.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9855034E for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 17:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@email5.live.com.eg) Received: from server1.live.com.eg ([37.228.134.234]:47123 helo=email.live.com.eg) by server6.live.com.eg with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bowA2-0001Br-BA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; 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WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 17:35:49 -0000 On 9/27/2016 10:27 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > but without the route addition, it works. If I do it in ppp.linkup, the > same issue. Whats odd is that I am not able to delete the route that > ppp adds. /sbin/route does not see it, but quagga does still, but marks > it as inactive. To work around the issue and not have to install / use mpd, I made use of the ppp.link[up|down] hooks to fire a script that adds and deletes the necessary static route via quagga's vtysh command. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 19:51:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F335BECBE9 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delivery@mx18.dynamicmail.net) Received: from mx18.dynamicmail.net (mx18.dynamicmail.net [167.114.59.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B436EA8 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delivery@mx18.dynamicmail.net) Received: from mm.mailsonics.com (mm.mailsonics.com [192.99.242.21]) by mx18.dynamicmail.net with SMTP; 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Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from nodeunit.com (mx01.m1list.com [192.186.89.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9C53BA for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from asrock-lan (unknown [10.7.7.6]) by nodeunit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EDDF4F854 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:53:00 -0400 From: George To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem installing 10.3/10.2 or 11 on Soekris 6501 - SOLVED Message-ID: <20160927155300.759103cf@asrock-lan> In-Reply-To: <20160927090207.409d5125@asrock-lan> References: <20160926164630.02e4f935@asrock-lan> <20160927090207.409d5125@asrock-lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:53:03 -0000 Just for the record once I installed 10.1 I was able to upgrade to 10.3 without any issues and everything seems to be working as expected. So my problem was most probably due to the USB stick, SSD hard drive or both. Why I could not install 10.3 directly with the same hardware is still a mistery to me... most probably an issue with the installer. It is all good now. Thanks, George On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:02:07 -0400 George wrote: > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 07:54:52 +0200 > Chris Ernst wrote: > > > Hi George > > > > two years ago i installed FreeBSD on my net-5501. Ever since the box > > has been running rock-solid and without any issues. :) > > > > But i also had my issues installing FreeBSD for the first time. > > Using the steps which are described at > > http://wiki.soekris.info/More_on_VirtualBox i was able to succeed. > > I followed the procedure which is overwritten with: > > *3. VirtualBox VM setup* > > > > As i used VirtualBox on Windows the steps had to be modified > > slightly but along those lines i was able to install FreeBSD on the > > SD-Card directly. > > > > You should definitely give this a try. > > all the best > > Chris > > > Hi Chris, > > Thanks for the pointer. I managed to "get over" the issue by changing > the USB stick with a different one and changing the hard drive from > OCZ SSD to a WD Green. I could only install 10.1 as 10.3 would not > work and 10.2 would fail with missing mount partition upon reboot > from the HD. Now I am trying to upgrade to 10.3 once logged into the > system to see if that will work or not. > > The machine is getting kind of old with it's i386 CPUs which limits my > options as to what I can put on it and probably triggers more bugs > then necessary. Getting the downloads, imaging USB sticks and doing > install has taken a lot of time though... > > Thanks for the pointer I will refer to it should my current path hit a > road block ;) and it is good for anyone else looking for a solution > after. > > Cheers, > George > > > > > > On 26.09.2016 22:46, George wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I am trying to install from an i386 img file on a USB stick to a > > > Soekris Net6501 and I keep having problems. > > > > > > 10.3: Says that the base package checksum is wrong and I need to > > > re-download it and try again. > > > > > > 10.2: Says installation aborted and lets me try again or exit. > > > > > > 11.0: Is just not working gets stuck somewhere once the boot > > > starts. > > > > > > The machine has a dual Intel Atom 6xx 1000 MHz and 4 nics. I have > > > used OpenBSD on it for a long time without problems. > > > > > > I have switched a number of USB sticks and this one actually gets > > > the installer working as evident by where it stops. The downloaded > > > i386 checksum are perfectly fine when checked so what gives...??? > > > > > > I will try another version to make sure it is not the version I am > > > having a problem with. Any ideas, suggestions are welcome. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 27 21:19:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA5FBEA1FA for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "GeoTrust SSL CA - G4" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFE75947 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:19:40 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160927032651.T6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <76aed1ce-4f78-a387-57ff-baa5b72ae2f4@holgerdanske.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:19:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160927032651.T6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:19:44 -0000 On 09/27/2016 08:12 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > Just checking .. did you only access the stick by reading with dd? Correct. > Where? The last block: # ll /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 691669504 2016/09/25 11:25:37 /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img # cmp -l /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img /dev/sdc 691669010 351 235 691669011 117 252 691669012 2 351 691669081 121 0 691669082 235 0 691669083 252 0 691669084 351 0 691669085 0 301 691669086 0 203 691669087 0 127 691669088 0 137 691669089 0 337 691669090 0 24 691669091 0 160 691669092 0 214 691669093 0 36 691669094 0 40 691669095 0 332 691669096 0 206 691669097 0 27 691669098 0 306 691669099 0 10 691669100 0 216 691669101 0 335 691669102 0 365 691669103 0 235 691669104 0 362 691669105 0 367 691669106 0 120 691669107 0 215 691669108 0 100 691669109 0 47 691669110 0 64 691669111 0 317 691669112 0 311 691669113 0 75 691669114 0 141 691669115 0 273 691669116 0 6 691669117 0 116 691669118 0 330 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691669504 0 256 cmp: EOF on /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 01:19:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DDCBEBF55 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 461FB625 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: 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Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928084957.5e411591@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:19:48 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:22:50 +0200 Micha=C5=82 . wrote: > I've stupid/not stupid question to FreeBSD Foundation. > You have plans to stop release the i386 (32bit) version of FreeBSD > system in next releases ? >=20 if I remember right, support for a real 80386 was dropped some years ago. This does not mean that 32 bit support was dropped. 32 bit kernels only require more modern hardware than a real 80386. I cannot remember what CPU is the minimum requirement to run a 32 bit kernel. Did you get confused of this 'news'? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 02:31:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E912BECEF2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD10BC13 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39362798; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:31:28 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8S2VlbE009512; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:31:47 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8S2Vivt009511; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:31:44 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:31:44 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:31:51 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > 1. When you boot from this pool later on a restored system, don't the > > "-o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off" options prevent it from > > working normally? I gather that "altroot" is not persistent across > > reboots, but "canmount" probably is. > > Its been a while, but when you do the zfs recv, I am guessing the > properties are restored with it ? > > > > > 2. If you wanted to check "zfs recv" without actually restoring it, > > what what you do? I keep getting the "cannot receive incremental stream" error: > > Not sure. When you did this, perhaps you are restoring from an > incremental send as opposed to a full send ? > > eg > > zfs snapshot -r zroot@backup > zfs send -R zroot@backup > /nfs-mount-on-backup-server/zroot-full-snap.zfs Below is exactly how I create and test the replication stream: root@zfs1:~ # zfs send -R zroot@test1 > /mnt/zroot1.zfs root@zfs1:~ # zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none foobar1 vtbd2 root@zfs1:~ # zfs receive -vFn foobar1 < /mnt/zroot1.zfs would receive full stream of zroot@test1 into foobar1@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var@test1 into foobar1/var@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/mail@test1 into foobar1/var/mail@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/crash@test1 into foobar1/var/crash@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/tmp@test1 into foobar1/var/tmp@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/audit@test1 into foobar1/var/audit@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/var/log@test1 into foobar1/var/log@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/tmp@test1 into foobar1/tmp@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/ROOT@test1 into foobar1/ROOT@test1 would receive full stream of zroot/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 into foobar1/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 cannot receive incremental stream: destination 'foobar1/ROOT/test1' does not exist root@zfs1:~ # I don't see anything incremental about it. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 02:35:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9338AC00097 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC72DE72 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39362809; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:35:02 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8S2ZL9s009623; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:35:21 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8S2ZLw2009622; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:35:21 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:35:21 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:35:24 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > 1. When you boot from this pool later on a restored system, don't the > > > "-o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off" options prevent it from > > > working normally? I gather that "altroot" is not persistent across > > > reboots, but "canmount" probably is. > > > > Its been a while, but when you do the zfs recv, I am guessing the > > properties are restored with it ? > > > > > > > > 2. If you wanted to check "zfs recv" without actually restoring it, > > > what what you do? I keep getting the "cannot receive incremental stream" error: > > > > Not sure. When you did this, perhaps you are restoring from an > > incremental send as opposed to a full send ? > > > > eg > > > > zfs snapshot -r zroot@backup > > zfs send -R zroot@backup > /nfs-mount-on-backup-server/zroot-full-snap.zfs > > Below is exactly how I create and test the replication stream: > > root@zfs1:~ # zfs send -R zroot@test1 > /mnt/zroot1.zfs > root@zfs1:~ # zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none foobar1 vtbd2 > root@zfs1:~ # zfs receive -vFn foobar1 < /mnt/zroot1.zfs > would receive full stream of zroot@test1 into foobar1@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/var@test1 into foobar1/var@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/var/mail@test1 into foobar1/var/mail@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/var/crash@test1 into foobar1/var/crash@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/var/tmp@test1 into foobar1/var/tmp@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/var/audit@test1 into foobar1/var/audit@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/var/log@test1 into foobar1/var/log@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/tmp@test1 into foobar1/tmp@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/ROOT@test1 into foobar1/ROOT@test1 > would receive full stream of zroot/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 into foobar1/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 > cannot receive incremental stream: destination 'foobar1/ROOT/test1' does not exist > root@zfs1:~ # > > > I don't see anything incremental about it. > And without the -n flag it comes out OK: root@zfs1:~ # zfs receive -vF foobar1 < /mnt/zroot1.zfs receiving full stream of zroot@test1 into foobar1@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/var@test1 into foobar1/var@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/var/mail@test1 into foobar1/var/mail@test1 received 44.0KB stream in 1 seconds (44.0KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/var/crash@test1 into foobar1/var/crash@test1 received 43.0KB stream in 1 seconds (43.0KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/var/tmp@test1 into foobar1/var/tmp@test1 received 43.0KB stream in 1 seconds (43.0KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/var/audit@test1 into foobar1/var/audit@test1 received 44.2KB stream in 1 seconds (44.2KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/var/log@test1 into foobar1/var/log@test1 received 200KB stream in 1 seconds (200KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/tmp@test1 into foobar1/tmp@test1 received 48.1KB stream in 1 seconds (48.1KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/ROOT@test1 into foobar1/ROOT@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 into foobar1/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 received 904MB stream in 67 seconds (13.5MB/sec) receiving incremental stream of zroot/ROOT/test1@test1 into foobar1/ROOT/test1@test1 received 206KB stream in 1 seconds (206KB/sec) found clone origin foobar1/ROOT/test1@2016-08-22-21:58:22 receiving incremental stream of zroot/ROOT/default@test1 into foobar1/ROOT/default@test1 received 187KB stream in 1 seconds (187KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/usr@test1 into foobar1/usr@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/usr/ports@test1 into foobar1/usr/ports@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/usr/home@test1 into foobar1/usr/home@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) receiving full stream of zroot/usr/src@test1 into foobar1/usr/src@test1 received 41.7KB stream in 1 seconds (41.7KB/sec) root@zfs1:~ # but what if I just wanted to test the stream without actually receiving it? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 06:24:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEA3BEC145 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 06:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AB97777 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 06:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E1481E67; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 06:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/6E1481E67; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <05adb002-85c7-1728-6943-30f171c5f03a@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:24:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vg9I8g3g351S5k8pGblRcWtkU6kMg71RS" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 06:24:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vg9I8g3g351S5k8pGblRcWtkU6kMg71RS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fPvH916BxRPEoqqr9gFjwOv6TtWf2wSla"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions Message-ID: <05adb002-85c7-1728-6943-30f171c5f03a@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> In-Reply-To: <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> --fPvH916BxRPEoqqr9gFjwOv6TtWf2wSla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/09/2016 03:35, Victor Sudakov wrote: > but what if I just wanted to test the stream without actually receiving= it? Pipe the stream into zstreamdump(8) -- this will print out headers and some statistics from the stream and verify all of the checksums. Cheers, Matthew --fPvH916BxRPEoqqr9gFjwOv6TtWf2wSla-- --vg9I8g3g351S5k8pGblRcWtkU6kMg71RS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJX62ITXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATNLAP/0oECOkjTfV+kVxS+T8Hllyk OYqOaGQKZ579bfxLi8piHJWKKU0sQBEgWscpZtpNigeiTI7PnYhtOHznZSHhuxfZ suUIVQjeGHwDW9ut2MuJ/aBXvCBU6JCon65nA00Lhxp6Lyt39kNoTsH4LdOzCxlN G22+n0YposhePftC85WSal3ZdVFpw36O5hHBa3FFHhbHjTiL6V/Nw8eEzyhqeKnh 1blF9Rb7Zi65Q2SuC3aE8C4MjYJnrNtjvoifoH2x4WAVGco4qzbJ/ek/nEC9hnFg R0UhBcCvr3ndqBvBlBHnYEKlGk4DzvItlYZLQ1nL1gvn/OlLCNGDIRPJY+GMrqF9 BIo1L9fJMPrjU+Pjce3mL22FnKBR1+KxSoHjUqu0vSJQ9/7omoZYjIZrQBngKQNV aPwyQ9vp/w/VEDU7jpAswMbSrygnLmM73TppeJAuwe8/jgtdiLlrQHnpw2mYYD8c qI36cavPuP+Rn0VclaPZ6Q4o6EPuuhYvjPnykQN8HLQhEKyP1HgrVswbFzPil3id ObZqVOplgGcIOZxsyN139yaqFiZofeFeSXmL4KK0dLYbLDbMJWfV+WOGqyiXGPR3 HHBANVujBmL29g7A2ZKrTmlsEPscFtryjj1mWCV282VQrurcFQBg4PWJNv1eWpNm wfOrUOdXJ2CbcUWmm2NS =9F5P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vg9I8g3g351S5k8pGblRcWtkU6kMg71RS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 07:09:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EBFBECE71 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01734D27; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39362983; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:08:46 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8S795OJ018441; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:09:05 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8S793Lt018440; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:09:03 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:09:03 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928070903.GA18170@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <05adb002-85c7-1728-6943-30f171c5f03a@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <05adb002-85c7-1728-6943-30f171c5f03a@FreeBSD.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:09:09 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > but what if I just wanted to test the stream without actually receiving it? > > Pipe the stream into zstreamdump(8) -- this will print out headers and > some statistics from the stream and verify all of the checksums. A good tool, but... I have deliberately manually corrupted a stream and fed it to zstreamdump. It found an "Incorrect checksum in record header" but zstreamdump's exit code is still 0. :-( -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 07:14:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033F1C00077 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3851A153 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475046670; bh=XxqiLadU3rMQyX8StEHzqfme080mCugoPVr1CNiKXIQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=JjEUPQkk51vvU1xb8CaHVOVef5GWLYwvYHH8IJrRiOkTiDvzAW3mqFF6cAMc32E7UhPCEFjoKGptaCrmO6g6LnSNlgwhfrbdY08cZsLPe2giVirmXdEqMWjpDRatjemKMezOZRBZ/6lnpUpEnAG/Hhaw7V34zakYhtv0NVpAYoMc8id6y8/Q8f78WrEbu0y1ZsP89L9ojEbTfZ67wmduIgao8KT9ox6aq92qf2o9UTanJkHwEkuASlI+h4z1PcXoCwjXmFGPANazAEji8VhsFlJq8jguOqA6oANWKfaTqVMwO1yOgIsHlrZKGho2rv56Pffc67NUWMk/VJNO3142ag== Received: from [212.82.98.57] by nm39.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 07:11:10 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.89] by tm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 07:11:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp126.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 07:11:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 476988.41097.bm@smtp126.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EXPAEvQVM1kttrEwHWZl0NJ8k5eJZhpyW39Ifxx3d7mbx_i FPSLlyNPf4GpoIUGe25gBbZFq_HN0soLeSsR2KsH8a4YIN4E3hfPQdtEAD9s 1xounIPTtaxDf_wkIdq9uoPfNEgdWnGq9TK.X4JallEIAd..JlxqP8Rrer0j sp.ewr21afzaloUQMKdwAIBDPGWSjtZxgybfjOx4UDchaQUeh.LcfCky.lIC .qi4Jf14c1RKSPX22uwKNt3WQwR0FZcoziCFs9jKxJ.fgow_gGt2ia8kKwST EtrEJalQIEcvqZevhbf9Uo9Y2NitOxh74mn11z.TjrCQX_ueiSwRd7Q26u5Z PXsi9fHqueTxZkiusri71PdU_ZqACNkDdVm1bEL_dlBS9fN5IPjT3oND80ge BwVYSbgpl5EI4i2CMmkAUM1GmkAe40lKivgQEOuJo4wDmfMrEdlLOdBTivOZ hRgQEaKHiaRMS63vHWtGakRJTk0QBddLoGG9kPYHbUr8FfC1cxFZD7wd9krV Rs3Uw4pAgZBTwnb7y33gjNZdoSMeJX9W.vGyidQotwCtMqqD1CaiBRy1dZDp Ol6rm8Z7UnSnWvrNQpO2mblFf841p X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:11:09 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:14:18 -0000 On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:34 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >- 64 bit CPU will consume more power than only 32 bit CPU . Hi, I seriously doubt that this is true. More likely a dual-core 64 bit does consume around half of what a 32 bit single core consumes. This at least is true for my old 32 bit Athlon and my currently used 64 bit dual core Athlon. Those 64 bit CPUs don't get nearly as hot as the old 32 bit CPUs do. That the newer 64 bit CPUs provide frequency scaling OTOH doesn't make such a big difference regarding power consumption. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 07:26:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9B3C00599 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm32-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm32-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0825D71 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475047476; bh=ZMkUaC0PVcS3JPiO+mnvnE27sQn//VeOrjZIxMZsTYw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Efe5YqxShdMwKH2vYvEx2lzaZaSUlXBlXN7Z1Hsz2waIyYHWRYTyx30Smx0yb+lvVhcsH6He+6Rc1R0WyTQIk5Wk/3LcQtzyhoLx0jLNfEolCBI2WYp5l51N/NN1oKgU6NvAludz5/scjDulwikUP8oHoghsel+yHT72k+koRspRp87yuiik5NKdnkucAUGHE9YapBgfkU29kctGVoidoai3nkp85XAn04svy7ZkWRA0T5MzLCkgEbI5awzrkvdWIqNQGwVH0tQSlDSbHvif54H2sbqb8sZYChLEUu9JIcTFqjpyM7cmDF9SMrOeslreyqBLfsbo/sFVrhsLeMdxWg== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm32.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 07:24:36 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.97] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 07:24:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp134.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 07:24:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 470149.71236.bm@smtp134.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1oF4GGYVM1naS_2.1bIrGV8dOsI.o_3F1kjneZZrB6qv1WX zf18JH4iAbv0wJpqQLwz1Nc_pC.bE8WF11U7XepV0mS4gh7UbbDnBhpKdpGh kKPsK6IR9SwsLsh_sJWd_qS4Gh8J_ygkivBqD4vj_R1uryeZMs1N2efFyG6o wc21zqeWhBBjZLqIEOtLJNogLEAQvCM0VQojUfsydMhj2BcDzVqZEF7aHJ0H kfg.AG6gDs8dTXo4p22gJajds83vqOgeLNEyuWtKJEXVwp2rypIQ.CBD9COY f6waHvvpATflZJXlPPslfShVbGOPV6OkBwUFAmMA8Ha6l_QSXI1QlKEMGD8y PCsFzCPMRZQmMfTeAs8ZVH6A7SggR4YTGjdwThjEAmVJpa999eBwXFGPqwtx fo5UD.4G11GwfnnON.QL._MRYbjhXKN2ga4DiU0XLpQvA41veyF9b8ZXcSVe aTWR0I.auKAd3CC2BUW9n1Iwq7K10urEafZB0V.MQmGEUoU3kAl4q4rch3SQ XZmD98Lb_51SWEgpeis2HepX7kD0_Dd3o4IofsugdKlDAwShpHFZc X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:24:35 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928092435.40d1da6f@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:26:59 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:11:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:34 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >>- 64 bit CPU will consume more power than only 32 bit CPU . > >Hi, > >I seriously doubt that this is true. More likely a dual-core 64 bit >does consume around half of what a 32 bit single core consumes. This at >least is true for my old 32 bit Athlon and my currently used 64 bit >dual core Athlon. Those 64 bit CPUs don't get nearly as hot as the old >32 bit CPUs do. That the newer 64 bit CPUs provide frequency scaling >OTOH doesn't make such a big difference regarding power consumption. > >Regards, >Ralf Correction, regarding a list with Athlon CPUs the old 32 bit CPU seems only to consume a few Watt more, than the new 64 bit dual-core. IOW the power consumption more or less is equal, OTOH the 32-bit CPU needs much more time to do the same, the newer 64 bit CPU could do. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 07:52:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EA3C003F7 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+fb5104.c2ca2-questions=freebsd.org@mg.whoishostingthismail.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA709D08 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+fb5104.c2ca2-questions=freebsd.org@mg.whoishostingthismail.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C9C3EC003F6; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9678C003F5 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+fb5104.c2ca2-questions=freebsd.org@mg.whoishostingthismail.org) Received: from mail7.static.mailgun.info (mail7.static.mailgun.info [104.130.122.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92245D07 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+fb5104.c2ca2-questions=freebsd.org@mg.whoishostingthismail.org) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mg.whoishostingthismail.org; q=dns/txt; s=smtp; t=1475049152; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: Subject: Reply-To: From: To: Date: Sender; bh=sQbXhc/dXREQYkwo6Pm+5hOOoFFaskblsBb4eSkZNh8=; b=M3eT3bVg/fYrskpSlT0aKKnXN+bYrVU69OkkcaDd9KlDfZSBMJM0Hr8T4xWfhIBC3fpQ3S5A KNnfZSE1o9IiIQa3qN+LgQuJTcUJBhz86JgY/TQWtrEGjHhA3NE5t6e9mzeu486SgUvZY2hu okcyzv+Ki2XzT4WJRyroNPuQ5qI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=mg.whoishostingthismail.org; s=smtp; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: To: From: Reply-To: Subject: Message-ID: MIME-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oLxOZD386MScG0sgRRR5kf+snqhSyloaMw7g0R3MXmsVmoN5iDxAUrIdTOEWwQSuRvVcBv NpaD/ACrJFfIKxZymPG/y2/HdGSlPWqE8yBDxyGQfyuG0N2HqfBoDXs4BE/Q/KK4IiuxVpJB 3ttMCpdLvvRtgZQMDlPRj8ZVY8IRU= Sender: m.shaw=whoishostingthismail.org@mg.whoishostingthismail.org X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 104.130.122.7 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyIyZDhjYSIsICJxdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmciLCAiYzJjYTIiXQ== Received: from whoishostingthismail.org (ec2-54-158-10-71.compute-1.amazonaws.com [54.158.10.71]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 57eb76bf.7f72a4395a70-in01; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:31 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:30 +0000 To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: Marilyn Shaw Reply-To: Marilyn Shaw Subject: Re: A broken link! Message-ID: <3704105.or_mail@whoishostingthismail.org> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:52:36 -0000 Hi, I appreciate you're busy so I just wanted to follow up on the email I sent you the other day as I noticed the link is still broken. I've included my email below for reference: On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Marilyn Shaw wrote: Hi, Just wanted to let you know about a link that seems to be broken on this page http://heeroy.org/doc/handbook6.1c/history.html. It is this link http://www.cvshome.org/, but the page doesn’t seem to be active any more. I thought you might want to update. If you are looking for an alternative please check out http://wiht.link/CVS-resources, it may make a suitable replacement. Kind Regards, Marilyn From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 07:59:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245BBC00688 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22a.google.com (mail-yw0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F07FE9 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id t67so23711913ywg.3 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LlJ4N52jbvyGkYNh48Z0ANJr4W3AyypwXc+3lYSNImY=; b=pIMvYo4Yj+o6mrvh8CekKbLB/6VozcehUxeMPDgjhDDBf8zB3n4qwHt6y7pzINWahY HhNrgdSqhqJX5b+xxsHwkzpFEbH+7tD4ggKZgF+2SZHWeRUdD0Viq+iaNrN08Ia3yzOR rt5crgEU0NyBfd6V13HVIiGsE3Kgc0dR1mV0Vb0Wp1BF6hJWo8y+BKAe2rDKVkb6tHN3 XSqC5wIqwQgFlhlrVlHafbqNu5vUJ1kATd/RPxb73Ev1LJpr8S9aiaWmqXN1y0fM7QnD t0xUOnJsCp3aI4eDpMTEVUe+9DH7LiTEXYLspusVwpmrZq7R7u0vHZL9meWIp9kjny/+ fdmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LlJ4N52jbvyGkYNh48Z0ANJr4W3AyypwXc+3lYSNImY=; b=TliWpdcQ2+7/ck1t66xqFHs+YJ8c12cNtoW8nrKgbPDlXxmtaBORavueOIdA9y9dOE RMoYVEFyJyMJHcM+pZhrGPpJR6eRDc2dI+AoIAjJCCWFQ+UTiNT2uCX0ulw3qmjmVgjX iqKG3xSFmohgCsqKdNYDvpnF0I4ahHABAIdBwCY5XbifCzGzvktd3nkSFo2mOflSLXmF kFm0GUsc3c0XjOpZjVfIGj76kKmv5NPKFOEq5tSNbs3T4tvniPMlfq4rP02Mk5PYL9ej F+qthasBwovFlZOzxeMtE6TUb6yXrl4pQkNn9Bee4prNmT9+L93hOAKrnN8LeH8q/e5T /r/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPUPotXV8i9sAND+DdnGBCWP61IfiY7IJW2ake3yXkqkVJYJxD8vPiMFFvY8mp5Bcx0SsO5I4q/lYy9nQ== X-Received: by 10.129.161.86 with SMTP id y83mr23467950ywg.61.1475049550037; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.88.214 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:59:11 -0000 On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:34 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >- 64 bit CPU will consume more power than only 32 bit CPU . > > Hi, > > I seriously doubt that this is true. More likely a dual-core 64 bit > does consume around half of what a 32 bit single core consumes. This at > least is true for my old 32 bit Athlon and my currently used 64 bit > dual core Athlon. Those 64 bit CPUs don't get nearly as hot as the old > 32 bit CPUs do. That the newer 64 bit CPUs provide frequency scaling > OTOH doesn't make such a big difference regarding power consumption. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > > You are comparing different CPU brands with each other . Assume that two CPUs are produced with the SAME technology . A 64 bit CPU will contain more circuits than a 32 bit CPU , means more power it will use because amount of power will be proportional to number of circuit components and length of connection lines . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 08:10:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAF6C00F53 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x236.google.com (mail-yw0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BC3DDB2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x236.google.com with SMTP id i129so23118203ywe.2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9B6da8NDA0m5XGhu51ILdEvTiOSIwe7rk/EReWusdIA=; b=Y04+zSOlXIkyE/vMhUpikbOjzP19gCp+VcMBm5Bo98z1FqJcsn3uZf5FOEoW+W3Hm6 WwyCzyO1WySMHc3LqNww1jtVwH9V/oKFXsnZ67IHrA41s1qXiyiYHnj0TL00LoE4AevX yuW8ylEN10YeWixqnvlFh0EVcSfZakZDLiZqNvXF0J3f16MFZnTgdmaD3ydnQCvWDwgx 5HSU5lJDb2ifqufQ1Ul3pXQkOD8KrxHkG6/50BDLD6D9kuzbbU/RQd4Z3IvXO1oRZ7cr p6HI7s7z2NH6iWIdu+ldHWoKpalYBHpZ21RzpSsI3hiRYoxM+K2G9cgj2O4AxnKBIH6T 6WXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9B6da8NDA0m5XGhu51ILdEvTiOSIwe7rk/EReWusdIA=; b=BTPc+P7b21eGvvPoWR5mC5krOJrI2mjnQAbfTAt9nUTowNlhYbo1GQXmpg9vOVNC2X 5LB/m9hymbr4vVakyipgYXZ38jHbjH4nt4GXz/xieKQIu3vI7RRRCwv5u3xAkzBgiOHx RBBe+IjVUCmc4gEJDaP7eiUczVWAZIrKQqJdnJrFXf3r73xBuPJWwvwEXZ58kgsQcqLM aHFUqB8/rCznZ7SINBXckEJraC3ki1GnAzlx0loPjPIw+SU6pPgfjay0vbVUBAk9yeVe lfJ1j/G0zcgTuHRAENPbg80TDGzQPUlTjJICB2sQFKZPdUNa0PIENuZvt0O1nknv1ShP lZfA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmigkoWkgXEGFKDfqtfpVHsdykGvpw8/35+ELR3ums6Zp4aHvfRli3VHZXBx3P4J7QyR/0dVdlMPu1VtQ== X-Received: by 10.129.122.136 with SMTP id v130mr4266677ywc.89.1475050239502; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:10:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.88.214 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:10:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160928092435.40d1da6f@moonstudio> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928092435.40d1da6f@moonstudio> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:10:40 -0000 On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:11:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:33:34 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >>- 64 bit CPU will consume more power than only 32 bit CPU . > > > >Hi, > > > >I seriously doubt that this is true. More likely a dual-core 64 bit > >does consume around half of what a 32 bit single core consumes. This at > >least is true for my old 32 bit Athlon and my currently used 64 bit > >dual core Athlon. Those 64 bit CPUs don't get nearly as hot as the old > >32 bit CPUs do. That the newer 64 bit CPUs provide frequency scaling > >OTOH doesn't make such a big difference regarding power consumption. > > > >Regards, > >Ralf > > Correction, regarding a list with Athlon CPUs the old 32 bit CPU seems > only to consume a few Watt more, than the new 64 bit dual-core. IOW the > power consumption more or less is equal, OTOH the 32-bit CPU needs much > more time to do the same, the newer 64 bit CPU could do. > _______________________________________________ > > Assume that 64 bit CPU performs only 64 bit requiring tasks , and assume that 32 bit CPU performs only 32 bit requiring tasks . My comparison is based on this assumption . There are a huge number of jobs that they only require 32 bit operations . For such jobs , it is not necessary to use 64 bit processors when there is a need to a large number of processors for such tasks collection . For a few jobs , these may not be important , but in a factory using processors in large numbers , total of such small number of watts may escalate to a large amount . This means unnecessary cost when a year of operation is considered . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 08:58:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190B9C000F1 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm25-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FCC096 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475052862; bh=ZAkSS3jeZBuOvQLAUlWy71vp6XnfcIo9VCuHFh24Lns=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=ossspX1r7LoFg6Y4bhcx3oJN1S6bmLz8V8Nd0O+i1wgLPdrlP7QlxqpSvw8bqpweJwxYTN2G8T+L/lpIuF74qwrYEZvc6yfQRP43463rSjHOQkfkjXZSClYswM0Q+fVQU6is4HG8Y4T3CzWyBMP0+mp5SigZSgOsoFhofNs34hBvRK8HU3T+oYd3YkKyPpSRou5528S4FcGs2gio6TBSzQzP1UmYqdDNdvrhF8wktViuy2j0seCbzPUWi6j3bex3FfmJCDsllR0jHq+7alW3p8rXMUobBOGUfqJX4sYcyjYQSUopbpExZgkEAXx8zHVP5MTgOI2ZgfREm/bIEzzORw== Received: from [212.82.98.57] by nm25.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 08:54:22 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.97] by tm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 08:54:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp134.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 08:54:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 738520.71256.bm@smtp134.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: M0iLRwQVM1mTjO0mgK9Hb6hd3hEUEoC9Jfbw8cGxn1DrDRy XB3KiBIZrYoPIwQFyj2I9mmzGzjKK6Z8Sy7ymjUgOUk70DK1etYHnnuSR9YP GeMVrrdSGwvBX8yljR.Vx_UHed3JAQ_MzNZ3tslPBad1Y3b7DFqrH6vklhGN G21u_8EvowgDu3RGgZaGcu7AqxbIw0lMiCKfVRmzqyHup3A5GlHOT6AI4NrR NuXmuEaCyGkNRZPDe4rCXR9kLpTHWZLUPfy3hp4U4z8rp83uqvQPPGvy1rIv syYl6wj88dOcqGILF63mtm8Yh31.3NXumyQ1luB7xmwKquwAab7RWKUuBLa4 kjxcl5kzlZzblO_Emj2XXtQR1kwqnKG3JERdBlrzARm2zVzL0Hod9502YZYp fjrKfdP2.K3gFun1fgFKD2_1tVktPwtTHuJhyiaDWKKwgxxFxXvsV5kx88gV _TIbHUMODYPMLnbC55JByzZISZJ.vsPfdQJZJ6znTqpe6Hf3Icptpd2t0V2r RceLy72CKFzsLgwJJ7QVbQicgIYnerUN6paS4gOG.qhqBQyttQSmJgFOOL3f SReq6zGynKAl6OW48T_dvikP6q44- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:54:20 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:58:05 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:09 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >You are comparing different CPU brands with each other . It's unrealistic to compare 32 bit and 64 CPUs, produced with the same level of development. Could you provide some examples? Actually I'm comparing two CPUs from the same family. The CPU I'm using for my desktop computer today and the last 32 bit CPU I used for my desktop computer before I switched to 64 bit. My old 32 bit was an Athlon single core 800, 850 or 900 MHz, I don't remember exactly, Socket A, so the consumption was between >= 42.6 W and <= 49.7. My current, newer 64 bit dual core is an Athlon BE-2350, 2100 MHz, Socket AM2, 45 W. >Assume that two CPUs are produced with the SAME technology . >A 64 bit CPU will contain more circuits than a 32 bit CPU , means more >power it will use because amount of power will be proportional to >number of circuit components and length of connection lines . But they are not produced with the same technology, the 32 bit Athlon I mentioned requires 1.70 V or 1.75 V, the 64 bit Athlon I mentioned 1.25 V, they are anyway from the same family, they were just not produced with the same level of development. The slower CPU, slower RAM, different hardware, IDE etc., made the old computer almost half as fast, so it needs to run almost double the time, to reach the same processing power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CPU_power_dissipation_figures#AMD_Athlon_64_X2_.2F_Athlon_X2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/557/3 Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 09:16:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBEFC0093E for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AED1CA9 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475054068; bh=kkNzUElQmC3z4ry+3794MsA0j85wqmFX7PZOpMWSpkI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=b8nHu9cSkyZrpeUgWLlHrgkA6poaV/c0x9tOqBEFc16OjsCf3A4fX0vdCZyqMKw6BtdtW0cqgan/xCDfDqswJA/G/y397VoVMDEsqiVqIJcHbPyoAIrZbDiR7ufUcv/Y+G63FtaygPKJcGiJbGe+Gg+ZOgRXCunBcO/lzWkUezIaeVBFWbHGCAH+kKnYRlsTqugm99ORwwK6XDA2Z1D2XndN1sQm/8UGYOo/VlYeRAGUOaxM+ccLyFNcQPoSzAxtV214TyzfwAnH771TfvCJ+rw/QAjAZ6bnUVmpjybwWRwe26juPbS++vEd8myXufKMiBCUd0HQsdCbswTXmnxekg== Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 09:14:28 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.108] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 09:14:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp145.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 09:14:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 396563.80922.bm@smtp145.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gj3zsOEVM1l3fjJu63Ya4Yw3tha2rnYVTaiJd0t5UMNcn5X wLLbn6kAUvvz1dYULGkCAbLvOmlS9s1hXq65XTaHOy689hg08YHsmbf12gkh 2mSmCgQ3v2ibLVF7bc2uTBVb.qsjvZvBTIgvrv.sEmGcIe.EAHdcw8DHnJct WYIfeMrdzc9XEkDi8AQDO9nmE0GWfh.NSKRlnXhvXAaIdwYi8VyBPBC42WO1 H2dGeAoTWT8AJ2Y0uJAEpU_B7Clr6lkjzrFFEMr8I03NlgYX40hOhF0ByiV1 JkbZwKpTqzCT2RZZxxte7JqSm70BOrUDUOd4KjpD2VehlBRTCNbN7iWcPQfv UccUVz.u2YF6HsRsSmnvnaDK16N5OVHH2kAKiT_OQS1MpSJlDOoOZaDvI.9k 0xYU1neIQac3SPdHs6ICDRftTGPQY8MkyReQ3Tmz.uL4pArCpi9zIy.WM5rP zNF56LbaS98HGpSMmhW_34jTDE1zFE9BkJfqmk6zIQSonwdvx7D7954E_N7q I.usT3hNGD2k_3GYsPuXPx.8.cSosbD1s.agQBQa_9PQU1UCbKRTA X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:14:27 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928111427.40b91d15@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928092435.40d1da6f@moonstudio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:16:25 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:10:39 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >There are a huge number of jobs that they only >require 32 bit operations . For such jobs , it is not necessary to use >64 bit processors when there is a need to a large number of >processors for such tasks collection . > > >For a few jobs , these may not be important , but in a factory using >processors in large numbers , total of such small number of watts may >escalate to a large amount . This means unnecessary cost when a year of >operation is considered . This is just a nice, it's an unworldly assumption. In a factory most likely tailored embedded systems are used, or special devices with PIC microcontrollers and something like this. A lot of code is still programmed in Assembler for perfect optimisation. Take a more educated realistically guess. 32 bit ports provide software such as Firefox, tools to program and compile etc., so the needed computational power using 32 bit CPUs, requires more power consumption, than using 64 bit CPUs. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 11:00:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69FAC008C6 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9363A1C60 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CDu+DB79ThZREqySqGz7WqjF02TTcqHiiPqnQ4F1If4=; b=h2OVcWSAc3++oEj3/GX/MaW5v+ om7YehK4Oy80p8+Y4J8Hd96hQQqkqWdltx983olEsEbQ5mUXS5zJV0AYl2I4EidJT2HXuLCSM8bwB TNUx/w5SfUI6DlLuyb4Au2Bb6QhWPDjoSq939kpaeZvP2oO2f4+mpPmauI/QBTX0zq1g=; Received: from [114.121.233.1] (port=44410 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bpCbE-002fLc-A9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 05:00:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:00:22 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928190022.5c06f809@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:00:30 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:54:20 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:09 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >You are comparing different CPU brands with each other . > just take the last generation of plain 32-Bit-Atoms. They are really low power much less power hungry than e.g. an i7 of the same epoch. But it still is likely that the Atoms consume more energy to fulfil a specific task. With other words, it is a complex problem with no clear answer. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 11:31:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC1CBEB5B2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm2-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E5E2E73 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:31:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475062283; bh=awkUSvxIdsCCPiEzC62LHxuuKE0l6/ekYg2bGQ8IA7o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=C9IxOG9+BcSwqohqpha9U9o1ZUSqSAV1Dd1JvyPyoup6te5EDtvulvDaVAOmA70Hl4oQwSVf+lRZPGkUR41r5bYk5HPPnqzrlWdnfmQ+pxjDzLrpTgxYZO/LZH+VVSprchD4qJ8hJIC7c5Oy0SbcEuj3TxijhZd6GkhAvYMWmrrkcL97sydvXtoiJL2srzdWHDTqsCV5iWyQI/nCdlKw257q8wOiytvGx7WR7gKEs9EqiykmJW32nmgYo5W1ucl2hGKi4R17wscPILQon9DkuRXtdfLjRHZfIVrti0ost8Y5VLFnu4Ys2hGOfZl8rclR1FYXL3trfgsW/bQyFSNecw== Received: from [212.82.98.49] by nm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:31:23 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.73] by tm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:31:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:31:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 119479.68234.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yBY2lpsVM1lkwefz6n7qhLI0lko61OPUdIyD752p5t2SIhh xnnoT8RFxFbku1_O6uVnzv0A3KM31lxkQhOT8x2RmLb2EFdCrLWCjKknspaz WbKfmhi0ywsJ5R1XCDRW.gQPL0l2ieE3VcB1BRjpcg71oVu.3kCAtPEebJCE y5kiyk5swfWa68Tb8nHIbZEMFxFJYHOojsQoOVb8bJ76drbiK.snXm0Nf.Lb i7H6Q3c07_VS927FzYmv4VvM8fXh0f4zCmrRUZ3iC3Qyopy0Hgm.ADmWQndV e3i4cPwRM65RpmI.CFsCycEMLlfLj6PMhWJFcjpIQy53iADrSHVmBZNj6X3B II0s79gXTsH.J4sPXUC5ML_K_BNgWXYF_Eux6qUPvDT51cZkxFhueMW8rawj DNsUg_AQIDna5mbn6RB_eqkJdApIoPGpM2JpJobZiigQxBNznEooGcqF8CbE PErolqwXezd41tCQ4cnEoJNod67_jkzDSqmyTL3UbV9AMlz7wf7yH9wGFr7e 3wK067fyiN3RizNmd1i5pPXlMw3NwtD5gtJSF0f8f2YoiDa84We69Hn8xn9K fps4HK3h2g9YIbeaPFVyJRx78Ex2z X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:31:21 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928133121.4751ffe7@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: <20160928190022.5c06f809@X220.alogt.com> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> <20160928190022.5c06f809@X220.alogt.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:31:27 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:00:22 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >just take the last generation of plain 32-Bit-Atoms. They are really >low power much less power hungry than e.g. an i7 of the same epoch. But >it still is likely that the Atoms consume more energy to fulfil a >specific task. This is a ridiculous comparison. >With other words, it is a complex problem with no clear answer. It's neither complex, nor is there an unclear answer. "The performance of a single-core Atom is about half that of a Pentium M of the same clock rate. For example, the Atom N270 (1.60 GHz) found in many netbooks such as the Eee PC can deliver around 3300 MIPS and 2.1 GFLOPS in standard benchmarks,[34] compared to 7400 MIPS and 3.9 GFLOPS for the similarly clocked (1.73 GHz) Pentium M 740." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Performance http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-i7-processor.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core#Core_i7_3 "Core i7 Sandy-Bridge, 3,4 GHz, 4 Kerne 102,5 GFLOPS" - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Point_Operations_Per_Second#Rechenleistung_von_Computersystemen The German "102,5 GFLOPS" are English "102.5 GFLOPS" If you compare 32 bit Atoms, then better compare them with 64 bit Atoms and not with completely unrelated CPUs, that are way beyond the Atom's processing power. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 11:39:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0A4BEB9AF for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm21-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 192F51258 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475062562; bh=/Jrs90Bw4NBU8MIxwry0I0hAlOR6JNMxSwJPycy6X6c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=tnSoYAQtMK98LdEA9a+WhEh15sLxw0sHns0lSkYg6Vbs77MPGxlvCtIq1y6x/k2TZ0+j5aF8807DjjxC/XRblyFhjaRu3DN7BVpmvMfbC03HBc9+V4hiwZMKscz+OPjFM9RfJ2nNhasbBGdIgNxcnoeu7g8Fe7oc/KkDNGNse3RJsWFMfzRtclnDJQLcUq2xQHfD6oQMqm9mFya7eIXJhuDfFHgy6RLE5zIjp1rfzuA4MGLQuJT28yuEfqKuke1p2gaEAOuOtTmzl7UY2IVR6SSc6S/on2AELPJcyZAQq9FFPnS7qGbZIyYl9PDJuKK1YCGkXoEO3wuAvnnkj4PUsw== Received: from [212.82.98.56] by nm21.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:36:02 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.71] by tm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:35:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:35:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 231209.56304.bm@smtp108.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8y5xDPEVM1mYg0TQjTqvb71sbtkP7fjtshDv5R2LdJtLmdQ XpgnScmwguR2y.tCVqO82qYPxK2BoqESz0_Z6275EwjIjuQDW2PoSC42SSTl TCHaS0IedSthvU_sKMoMWCXngo2g4vu8iiw2ca5n4tbeM0NRuqklkOR4aFhW TDn.WkM_gtLHpajDzTFNW1wv1SrUESXE8L5AiigLnHLkzZFka2DgEnPm7j5c KpXBpa_hnBxsySc3nm6DVLWoS08O1igTZx2opwt3M8x8W4q95onhFYtEfDDn bjLyym2XHzPdKSwC.UcshBvdd8VPo9pOr8nyTWzsYbQMMrq1MCjOT5d1VzKO hElat2iCQh.hxfoEnyXfsZAYhlXofPI0j_DXscuAbIKPkQCuqx_SprbhvMus LDyv5oZWf4.aAp80ttCvb6CWUZ2JAXw5zz5LMuU.hP5DGSQ3_6biJS35R9G0 6QqNLTvzBKGtAMvdLaUsSGyewkI_xX9NzS9ID_LEwxVR1I_qpBsJayeSkACO GwBHOnRyQZt3XhzvHxYIWkTbi7i2rtY4FkTf2cFAm9alb20e8Gv_M2wPWdRZ qndZJomghyW4NltbmB7hW.K0pX_w- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:35:58 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928133558.2fc26f05@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: <20160928133121.4751ffe7@moonstudio> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> <20160928190022.5c06f809@X220.alogt.com> <20160928133121.4751ffe7@moonstudio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:39:34 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:31:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >[34] [34] is this link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-Atom-Efficient,1981-17.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 11:49:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599D7BEBCFB for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA45317A2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1475063352; bh=qmEkmbOIDStlSxEQqhrxFU3CpBAfK59xzE5zPF9Fb/Y=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=RNFdMk+UbHlklytKhPxwjPwbqBed3nncj6gANK/zlCkXxx2Vgwh70MbvxvsN1sLWyvYHwDH5UxLOuruZ6uy209np1d4bMquYkK/W7xj2FuWRbmk8AZksO3pGGAZoW+RNWTwJGurG4VwiJRgziGCZ/zYySMj18LCwWs0GU5D80k23FlWPNw0eiB4FK9beLfKyZ/o4y39mb1U00M3zD8Eembehe+cXEfYXsAOE7EV348PsEdw/mwrwSwXWsXuuVv7UZGLq5vXOOZXtruurksNPhP88FEJsAmLggP7RZW7q27LVt9t12e50nBYKLlJsIyt5jsBea+VWhW1+q6DCE3yuXg== Received: from [212.82.98.55] by nm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:49:12 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.85] by tm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:49:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp122.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2016 11:49:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 843804.94612.bm@smtp122.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: u89mO74VM1k0x7BknFdUDKznb3KHQvPe9XrMDieL9Zw2vs8 5G0os4dM8BthoLdpQaFafDs2nutROALQnCggUE5xq4OU3mA22WaH2hspbwM7 rhUzTJF7Ihu4JjUtVtKdH4yvgUTw1J4tTRit6jgXzBfgZ78HSgE6gbYcoMS0 88LlQee4CdJ4Aoqv3cuT0z_1xq0joa9Z0nxjTPDscApc1Gns9NRoa3W3awSR 1UPVNLqTwP_iWB89cUyJF0Dq9sJzjnWFF_s78R5OIAZ_AHhuQ8n2RJ1yEEMO DOsfMh1mHc.yAY3NWPlSCsxtwNrPlizyjitLns_3mpCu1X8Av59bPRFlfzHi E5qygAfGubXyLW0gB4QXpK93eiTv5YyZb4FddpHCOCP_ntCNQhoONO8dHUqd ThV.hUX9wF1mnbEsR92j.KtkSwYFgk2Z4I_6Jr81wEJn6QvFN95jq3_tprgb R5EQL.FDBdXJdP.0MD2EECCmkFbTMDEICP8keJalLbHHMq6ma33fchszsYRn ZTwPD.tX9gNe2.XWrJIhGiI4mueeSSRbe98oeZdFLWoScLjLHG3_tYxe4Zxn eJKs2UdbAwoBprqvcta7AN9RUpCuk X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:49:11 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-ID: <20160928134911.1a564ab9@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: <20160928133121.4751ffe7@moonstudio> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> <20160928190022.5c06f809@X220.alogt.com> <20160928133121.4751ffe7@moonstudio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b73 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:49:16 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:31:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:00:22 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>just take the last generation of plain 32-Bit-Atoms. They are really >>low power much less power hungry than e.g. an i7 of the same epoch. >>But it still is likely that the Atoms consume more energy to fulfil a >>specific task. > >This is a ridiculous comparison. > >>With other words, it is a complex problem with no clear answer. > >It's neither complex, nor is there an unclear answer. > >"The performance of a single-core Atom is about half that of a Pentium >M of the same clock rate. For example, the Atom N270 (1.60 GHz) found >in many netbooks such as the Eee PC can deliver around 3300 MIPS and >2.1 GFLOPS in standard benchmarks,[34] compared to 7400 MIPS and 3.9 >GFLOPS for the similarly clocked (1.73 GHz) Pentium M 740." - >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Performance > >http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-i7-processor.html >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core#Core_i7_3 Sorry, wrong link, same epoch is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core#Core_i7_2 what I mentioned still remains true ;). >"Core i7 Sandy-Bridge, 3,4 GHz, 4 Kerne 102,5 GFLOPS" - >https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Point_Operations_Per_Second#Rechenleistung_von_Computersystemen >The German "102,5 GFLOPS" are English "102.5 GFLOPS" > >If you compare 32 bit Atoms, then better compare them with 64 bit Atoms >and not with completely unrelated CPUs, that are way beyond the Atom's >processing power. > >Regards, >Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 14:51:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4454C01D00 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCFD987 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39363510; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:51:22 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SEpf6r027662; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:51:41 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8SEpb0c027661; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:51:37 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:51:37 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:45 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: [dd] > zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none zroot mirror /dev/ada0p3 /dev/ada1p3 I'm making progress but there is a problem. When I create a new pool to receive into it, I create it on the second disk, ada1. When I insert the restored disk into a new box, it becomes ada0 (the first and only disk). How do you deal with that? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 14:55:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD07CC01E09 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55694C14 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8SEtWwc055088 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:89d7:8e33:dca1:69f0] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:89d7:8e33:dca1:69f0]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SEtVIh097541; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:55:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Victor Sudakov References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:55:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:55:35 -0000 On 9/28/2016 10:51 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > I'm making progress but there is a problem. When I create a new pool > to receive into it, I create it on the second disk, ada1. When I > insert the restored disk into a new box, it becomes ada0 (the first > and only disk). > > How do you deal with that? It should not matter since the pool is not tied to a device name. In the example I gave with the mirror, the boot sector is installed on both disks, not just the 'first' ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 14:56:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43658C01E89 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031E5CD9 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 0F077CB8D27; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37046.128.135.52.6.1475074557.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:56:05 -0000 On Wed, September 28, 2016 3:54 am, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:09 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >>You are comparing different CPU brands with each other . > > It's unrealistic to compare 32 bit and 64 CPUs, produced with the same level of development. Could you provide some examples? > > Actually I'm comparing two CPUs from the same family. The CPU I'm using for my desktop computer today and the last 32 bit CPU I used for my desktop computer before I switched to 64 bit. > > My old 32 bit was an Athlon single core 800, 850 or 900 MHz, I don't remember exactly, Socket A, so the consumption was between >= 42.6 W and <= 49.7. My current, newer 64 bit dual core is an Athlon BE-2350, 2100 MHz, Socket AM2, 45 W. > >>Assume that two CPUs are produced with the SAME technology . >>A 64 bit CPU will contain more circuits than a 32 bit CPU , means more power it will use because amount of power will be proportional to number of circuit components and length of connection lines . > > But they are not produced with the same technology, the 32 bit > Athlon I mentioned requires 1.70 V or 1.75 V, the 64 bit Athlon I mentioned 1.25 V, they are anyway from the same family, they were just not produced with the same level of development. This is true: the power goes mostly into charging and discharging capacitances associated with FET gates (ans stray capacitances). Energy associated with charge is (C*(U)^2)/2. If we use half of voltage this energy drops 4 times! (hence consumed power drops 4 times). This is why the highest frequency part (core) works at lower voltage than the rest of CPU. Now, there is also capacitance C in that formulae, which roughly speaking is proportional to gate area (it is more sophisticated, yet...). So, the technology goes to twice as small nanometers (which are linear dimensions of elements), then the capacitance diminishes 4 times. That is why it only makes sense to compare "the same technology". Next, the CPUs are more sophisticated than just a width of arithmetic unit which for 64 bit would be twice than for 32 bit if CPUs were trivial devices. Actually it is not quite so, thus processing some amount of 32 bit CPU work on 64 bin CPU will (considering the rest equal) not require to spend twice the energy as compared to 32 bit CPU. You will spend more energy, this is correct, but not two times more. (Very crude analogy here is: powering off unused CPU cores; somewhat parallel utilization of components of 64 bit CPU when processing 32 bit stuff probably is less crude way of saying it). Anyway, thanks, everybody for refreshing and very insightful discussion! Valeri > > The slower CPU, slower RAM, different hardware, IDE etc., made the old computer almost half as fast, so it needs to run almost double the time, to reach the same processing power. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CPU_power_dissipation_figures#AMD_Athlon_64_X2_.2F_Athlon_X2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/557/3 > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 14:56:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D8AC01F59 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6506DCF for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8SEuuv1055228 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:89d7:8e33:dca1:69f0] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:89d7:8e33:dca1:69f0]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SEut4P097556; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Victor Sudakov References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: <63b7a504-3958-555a-d3a3-1f52f61e3c1d@sentex.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:56:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:56:58 -0000 On 9/27/2016 10:35 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > but what if I just wanted to test the stream without actually receiving it? Dont think there is a way. A lot of people backup the stream to an actual zfs file server. That way you have zfs make sure all is "good" with the backup. When you send it to a file, make sure the file is stored on a system that wont allow bitrot as the file can easily become corrupted. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 15:21:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02816C015EC for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FE361A07 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-138-147.knology.net [216.186.138.147] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u8SFLERW007475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:21:15 -0500 To: FreeBSD Questions !!!! From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: upgrade to 10.3R .... Message-ID: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:26:44 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:21:23 -0000 With the looming passage of 9.3R into EOL status (snif), I am looking at upgrading this box to 10.3R. Right now I am using raidframe RAIDs for some of my filesystems (/usr & /home). With the upgrade & subsequent good experience w/ ZFS on 2 other systems, I will probably switch to ZFS for this box as well. That brings up a question. There are many online URLs with dire warnings about using ZFS & non-ECC RAM causing data corruption (this box is a commodity desktop w/ non-ECC RAM), see for example: http://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html http://serverfault.com/questions/673163/why-is-the-use-of-zfs-without-ecc-ram-not-recommended & others, search for 'ZFS ECC' & you will be inundated. I am in fact using ZFS & non-ECC RAM on the other 2 boxen mentioned above, BTW. 2 questions: 1. Are these concerns valid, i.e. founded in fact ? 2. If so, should this be mentioned in the wiki or website somewhere ? TIA & have a good one. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 15:49:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B821C01D2F for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92D6A1A for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39363554; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:49:25 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SFnixs028089; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:49:44 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8SFngm4028088; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:49:42 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:49:41 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:49:47 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > I'm making progress but there is a problem. When I create a new pool > > to receive into it, I create it on the second disk, ada1. When I > > insert the restored disk into a new box, it becomes ada0 (the first > > and only disk). > > > > How do you deal with that? > > It should not matter since the pool is not tied to a device name. I'm afraid I disagree. "zpool status" does show device names. What will happen if a pool is created on /dev/ada1p3, and then ada1 becomes ada0 on a different host? When I boot from such a pool, "zpool status" will show diskid/XXXXXXXXXXp3 instead of ada0p3 or ada1p3. Is this a problem? Yes it is, if for example you had swap on ada0p2 in the original system, ada0p2 will not be visible in the cloned system (buried under diskid/XXXXXXXXXX* or something). -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 15:52:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAE5C01F7F for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A327E92 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8SFqpgF062082 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:89d7:8e33:dca1:69f0] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:89d7:8e33:dca1:69f0]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SFqnD4097788; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:52:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Victor Sudakov References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:52:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:52:52 -0000 On 9/28/2016 11:49 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > Is this a problem? Yes it is, if for example you had swap on ada0p2 in > the original system, ada0p2 will not be visible in the cloned system > (buried under diskid/XXXXXXXXXX* or something). For swap, yes if you refer to it that way. Using lables can work around that issue. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 15:55:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4057C010E7 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb0-x231.google.com (mail-yb0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFF92FBA for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb0-x231.google.com with SMTP id e2so7483553ybi.1 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=X6ujX0sLF4+zAgsI4VvI5qqOMevsF9EawmIBT0b+Idw=; b=jD0kKn3yAqbNtf7bgTer3Qj4865p51svlzowbvGD3P/jOkTeL2OxhKjG7QYcrHWNRe dG6O70JcvcCA2EGWwbvAJJHTEC9MQv6lOTfZ6dNDUT7TI6aZnMWv5bDNFSLggVHHDbRS MHdyaIxMJksh3+t0ryZG9vrocMGGwF7q5ZWGchx1/KLJcUmTacfPXqCGS0JN537V39xF 6Zcj5xObOUcWGl/h4OXH8UJvhMb2up1RsNxkOgQkSS+L3W4DMZ82K98Ezj2dGfrn25q1 HVen9ojkdACb9ZSLs7eGxFab0v1tu1vZahq11xeqVSsHuk8NfdxTr1iDQPsI0yfDI3uZ hifw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=X6ujX0sLF4+zAgsI4VvI5qqOMevsF9EawmIBT0b+Idw=; b=jHkvEUSSNUHhVDiVPdFyjgYqgCeg9wyWOz3OQ/UlZuEhwQf7aggygjhQbKVsJROTtH EkwPvjPudhGHHm6sevWQiHSexv8nCVRvAx5jrDg1S6bAs9y0AF8XNqiEouGUNr1kcBo4 qwgvzsUj+KYAEa2Xi5w4HKucGpub7eRHe96wFiCNd5sfwW+UP2nTTT3BN1ebBLEWzHHY 8FSeqxfr8mkW7y2ySY8EROX3pI+o9df6rPV/4cZIPp0BUmVvBAeVaPpO9tNeaeJ0ZPxs pPQgT8ltFhnAI6Wz95vgtY617EZcyTiv/5Umau9C7Frg+r/w7/cy0OGhPEbvOny1t61V AbYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNGOnOCKNCEjON5eDpv80jNovXNmAKkkG0Tf5U6Qw2XtC4OhoRzToRAwWVUMWCnm0bsGgkO91UJBE3ZOw== X-Received: by 10.37.163.33 with SMTP id d30mr23842789ybi.54.1475078107409; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.173.139 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 17:54:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Victor Sudakov , freeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:55:09 -0000 the FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS books (for example) explain how to avoid this issue too. (on ZOL, we use /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-*, if that's any help) On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 9/28/2016 11:49 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > Is this a problem? Yes it is, if for example you had swap on ada0p2 in > > the original system, ada0p2 will not be visible in the cloned system > > (buried under diskid/XXXXXXXXXX* or something). > > For swap, yes if you refer to it that way. Using lables can work around > that issue. > > ---Mike > > > -- > ------------------- > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net > Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 16:05:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0409DC01450 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCFD16E3 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39363556; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:04:52 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SG5CYJ028299; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:05:12 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8SG59Ge028294; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:05:09 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:05:09 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928160509.GA28170@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:05:15 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 9/28/2016 11:49 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > Is this a problem? Yes it is, if for example you had swap on ada0p2 in > > the original system, ada0p2 will not be visible in the cloned system > > (buried under diskid/XXXXXXXXXX* or something). > > For swap, yes if you refer to it that way. bsdinstall does, not me. > Using lables can work around that issue. The original system I'm cloning was set up with the standard system installer, "Auto ZFS." Should remember to edit /etc/fstab after installation. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 16:46:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352D5C01BA2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1080AF6 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39363624; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:45:44 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8SGk4fj028612; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:46:04 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8SGk1g3028609; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:46:01 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:46:01 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Michael Schuster Cc: Mike Tancsa , freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160928164601.GA28493@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:46:07 -0000 Michael Schuster wrote: > the FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS books (for example) explain how to avoid this > issue too. Namely? Or should I buy the book? Of course, I can do with glabel or something, but it's a pity bsdinstall creates an unclonable configuration. > (on ZOL, we use /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-*, if that's any help) > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > On 9/28/2016 11:49 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > Is this a problem? Yes it is, if for example you had swap on ada0p2 in > > > the original system, ada0p2 will not be visible in the cloned system > > > (buried under diskid/XXXXXXXXXX* or something). > > > > For swap, yes if you refer to it that way. Using lables can work around > > that issue. > > > > ---Mike > > > > > > -- > > ------------------- > > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > > Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net > > Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net > > Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 16:58:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EF8C01E91 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:10c3::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 907871121 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from [192.168.0.144] (c-24-60-168-172.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [24.60.168.172]) (Authenticated sender: citrin@citrin.ru) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7609B2869D2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <56532342-f2d4-377d-605b-2e1b5bfb2160@holgerdanske.com> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: <028307a7-0771-6429-d72f-f85f9530f55d@citrin.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:58:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56532342-f2d4-377d-605b-2e1b5bfb2160@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1475081933; bh=8b7x/ydeRfTOmYW/WhhdjJ92Ahkcrq6FOObk7mQg+kQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vHIVjpsRrHmBP3Qb9mbEJ+xmr8BnedObT1sazf4HroFh5S5Ipuo/W67aop4KE6yHJw/5DXK2mF/jPZyc+o0X4wcUIPssg8xBgqXw+/Z7DtT9HmNkA6ggKPmT5Ca4RBUhlfFttPNMeuMk12rDwrBtWyPFWe/weVlD2ADnLHFElRc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:58:56 -0000 On 2016-09-25 23:36, David Christensen wrote: > # time dd if=/dev/sdc count=1350917 | sha256sum -b > ab104a30627754bb8d39eeff3c5c5a4a15537d32c749e2b9841b34cb08e17eb0 *- ... > But after using the USB flash drive to install FreeBSD, the checksum has > changed: > > # dd if=/dev/sdc count=1350917 | sha256sum -b > bd159b85486322febe992226bbec9c86d96d70dd1e5a8b7c6f0bb9d29eb50df3 *- > 691669504 bytes (692 MB) copied, 42.989 s, 16.1 MB/s > > Therefore, the FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer has > changed the contents of the USB flash drive. AFIK UFS superblock is updated every time filesystem is mounted, even if FS is mounted in read-only mode (please correct me if I wrong). In struct for superblock I see: struct fs { ... u_char fs_fsmnt[MAXMNTLEN]; /* name mounted on */ ... ufs_time_t fs_mtime; /* Last mount or fsck time. */ ... } If you can mount this USB flash in FreeBSD before and after install you can use mtree to check that files was not changed: $ mtree -c -K sha256 -p /mnt/usb-flash > /tmp/mtree1 use USB flash to install FreeBSD $ mtree -c -K sha256 -p /mnt/usb-flash > /tmp/mtree2 $ diff -u /tmp/mtree[12] Only commented lines in mtree header should differ. And see if files was changed. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 18:35:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE73DBEC787 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29707647 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:35:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id u8SIYwwv029901; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:34:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:34:58 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: David Christensen cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20160929014801.W6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:35:10 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 643, Issue 3, Message: 17 On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:19:39 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > On 09/27/2016 08:12 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > Just checking .. did you only access the stick by reading with dd? > > Correct. OK. > > Where? > > The last block: > > # ll > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 691669504 2016/09/25 11:25:37 > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > # cmp -l > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > /dev/sdc > 691669010 351 235 << ~18 bytes into the last 512-byte block > 691669011 117 252 > 691669012 2 351 > 691669081 121 0 > 691669082 235 0 > 691669083 252 0 > 691669084 351 0 > 691669085 0 301 > 691669086 0 203 > 691669087 0 127 > 691669088 0 137 > 691669089 0 337 > 691669090 0 24 [..] > 691669495 0 227 > 691669497 0 22 > 691669498 0 163 > 691669499 0 362 > 691669500 0 372 > 691669501 0 221 > 691669502 0 230 > 691669503 0 122 > 691669504 0 256 > cmp: EOF on > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img Right, so most of the last sector was updated. I'm no good at octal .. We discerned recently that for 10.3, i386 memstick is GPT/EFI and amd64 is still MBR/BSD. Since only the last sector differs, perhaps something has updated the secondary GPT during the installation, assuming that a GPT image should already include one - or at least, the space for one? Possibly this doesn't matter at all, but it does seem 'untidy' at best. I wonder if a hardware-write-protected GPT memstick would have issues? cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 19:40:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A5AC009E6 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "GeoTrust SSL CA - G4" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 092979C7 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:40:23 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <56532342-f2d4-377d-605b-2e1b5bfb2160@holgerdanske.com> <028307a7-0771-6429-d72f-f85f9530f55d@citrin.ru> From: David Christensen X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:40:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <028307a7-0771-6429-d72f-f85f9530f55d@citrin.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:40:29 -0000 On 09/28/2016 09:58 AM, Anton Yuzhaninov wrote: > AFIK UFS superblock is updated every time filesystem is mounted, even > if FS is mounted in read-only mode (please correct me if I wrong). On 09/28/2016 11:34 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > We discerned recently that for 10.3, i386 memstick is GPT/EFI and > amd64 is still MBR/BSD. Since only the last sector differs, perhaps > something has updated the secondary GPT during the installation, > assuming that a GPT image should already include one - or at least, > the space for one? Thank you both for the replies. Either of the two mechanisms (filesystem superblock, spare GPT partition table) might explain the symptoms. > Possibly this doesn't matter at all, but it does seem 'untidy' at > best. Changing the last block of the image on a USB flash device violates the "Principle of Least Surprise" -- I expect the installation image to be "read only"; any change indicates a corrupt image and/or media failure. > I wonder if a hardware-write-protected GPT memstick would have > issues? The last USB flash memory stick I bought with an lock/unlock switch was a Memorex 128 MB in 2006. Since then, I've bought SanDisk, and they lack a switch. STFW there are a scarce few models with switches. Here's one that also has secure firmware: https://www.kanguru.com/storage-accessories/kanguru-flashtrust-secure-firmware.shtml How do I file a bug report against FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 28 19:58:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDF0C011E1 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD080187E for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 55AE433C24; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! Subject: Re: upgrade to 10.3R .... References: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:50:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> (William A. Mahaffey, III's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:26:44 -0453.75") Message-ID: <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:58:27 -0000 "William A. Mahaffey III" writes: > are many online URLs with dire warnings about using ZFS & non-ECC RAM > causing data corruption (this box is a commodity desktop w/ non-ECC > 1. Are these concerns valid, i.e. founded in fact ? Sure. When you get uncorrected bit flips, you can end up corrupting your data or even the filesystem. That isn't unique to ZFS, of course. If the data integrity guarantees aren't the deciding reason you're using ZFS, then this isn't an issue. Some people use ZFS on laptops, for example, for other features rather than data integrity (most commonly, compression). > 2. If so, should this be mentioned in the wiki or website somewhere ? I wouldn't bother. "ECC memory reduces data corruption" is right up there with "the computer will run most effectively when powered up." 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <7adc6f3c-3167-6df9-26e8-a69e22bb49b3@radel.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:44:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms090409000605080200070907" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:39:35 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090409000605080200070907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/28/16 3:50 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > "William A. Mahaffey III" writes: >=20 >> are many online URLs with dire warnings about using ZFS & non-ECC RAM >> causing data corruption (this box is a commodity desktop w/ non-ECC >=20 >> 1. Are these concerns valid, i.e. founded in fact ? >=20 > Sure. When you get uncorrected bit flips, you can end up corrupting you= r > data or even the filesystem. That isn't unique to ZFS, of course. >=20 > If the data integrity guarantees aren't the deciding reason you're usin= g > ZFS, then this isn't an issue. Some people use ZFS on laptops, for > example, for other features rather than data integrity (most commonly, > compression). I'd argue that it isn't really an issue even if you use ZFS for data integrity. At least not in the way many of the statements on the Internet seem to mean it.... I've read some where you get the sense that the message is: ZFS with non-ECC RAM means you are doomed. Any other file system with non-ECC RAM and everything is hunky-dory. Well, no, not so much. You write garbage in RAM to disk and you're going to have garbage on disk. Choice of file system doesn't help with that. I suspect that there is *some* danger of a higher chance of false positives while scrubbing a ZFS file system using non-ECC RAM actually inducing errors on disk instead of correcting them, and I'd find a credible analysis of that a most interesting read, but really, given the probability of bit error on today's very large hard drives, I'm more worried about the long-term data stability of my disks than of my RAM. 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mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC25C00950 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@mail.sermon-archive.info) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D61966 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@mail.sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (unknown [71.177.216.148]) by zoom.lafn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D45A034AA19 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) Subject: cvs Message-Id: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:06:43 -0700 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:24:33 -0000 I am using cvs for a number of projects and have been digging through = the documentation, but not figuring out how to do what I need. There = are multiple files in each project. All are entered into cvs and are = updated fairly often. Some of the revision numbers are over 100. All I = have done is commits to the files so far. =20 I need to be able to identify the files in a specific version. For = example on some date, I need to say all the current files belong to = version x. Later another version x+1 and so forth. I also need to be = able to pull out all the file from version x. I suspect there is an = easy way to do this, but it has escaped me so far. =E2=80=94 Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 01:28:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDD4C00AD1 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f44.google.com (mail-it0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EBD9A82 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:28:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f44.google.com with SMTP id u134so84031327itb.1 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:28:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=CemjyqW2IRzedPiMgbOIYqYEg9NqhaR4NLUg73xajU8=; b=P+Ck4YGK76sDeJFIlKBwCT/v5DjqdpwnywCAGbXpRMrLhxZh8g9dEKK5uduSSe7udb BYr5VkiCBaTlp2Zm4xevhfTS0P05kiZkYoCbqsNMUqtYBAiwUCgC9YK5vx4bDP7Xn6Fv C0UvkuKVb0QdNgMnvrB5saSlFetOCF968GqKLYICfex+tCP8fFGBd8jzEo2gHC8ranoo rNBGB45ztloyb5eHEhW40ozDojzWQIDpZizTVmlgPcx24L286hefPiW9OsdUkJUo8c5b lslLicJ8Y1XUfDxU+IrKv7092o7lMB1dAE577J/BvVHtxewFLDOmyJey5zJmQEcWn7Zb v/Eg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnLDPGFdDVKGjjPiBlCc+tlH/OGVfilQ/CBzbVxnjrRY9N+Lx8E8ZZbG4F4/dJrhw== X-Received: by 10.107.30.69 with SMTP id e66mr181550ioe.107.1475112488308; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (63-231-161-90.mpls.qwest.net. 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Wandersee To: Victor Sudakov Cc: Michael Schuster , freeBSD Mailing List , Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream In-reply-to: <20160928164601.GA28493@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:28:06 -0500 Message-ID: <868tub1om1.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:28:15 -0000 Victor Sudakov writes: > Michael Schuster wrote: >> the FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS books (for example) explain how to avoid this >> issue too. > > Namely? Or should I buy the book? > > Of course, I can do with glabel or something, but it's a pity > bsdinstall creates an unclonable configuration. It's not a bsdinstall problem. It's really only a problem at all if particular circumstances arise---like if you move a disk from a one-disk system to another, multi-disk system. Device nodes are assigned based either on the order in which the motherboard firmware detects and initializes the devices, or the ports into which the devices are plugged. Which one gets used depends on your motherboard, and if it's the former, nobody has any control over it. Your backup-and-restoration plan needs to take that into account. That's why partition/filesystem labels were invented in the first place. It's why a Windows disk can be transplanted into any slot on any machine, and it can boot without intervention from the user---the filesystems are all labeled. Since swap was the example you brought up I'm guessing that's your chief concern, since a ZFS pool is usually unaffected by a change in drive letters. In that case, just modify /etc/fstab before rebooting or transplanting the disk. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 02:25:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80BAC0129B for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D725BBD8 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39364076; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:24:45 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8T2P4bq034928; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:25:04 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8T2P1w6034924; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:25:01 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:25:01 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: Michael Schuster , freeBSD Mailing List , Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160929022501.GA33088@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> <20160928164601.GA28493@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <868tub1om1.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <868tub1om1.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:25:08 -0000 Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > >> the FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS books (for example) explain how to avoid this > >> issue too. > > > > Namely? Or should I buy the book? > > > > Of course, I can do with glabel or something, but it's a pity > > bsdinstall creates an unclonable configuration. > > It's not a bsdinstall problem. To some extent, it is. For example Linux installers use labels, not physical device nodes, from the very start. > It's really only a problem at all if > particular circumstances arise---like if you move a disk from a one-disk > system to another, multi-disk system. Device nodes are assigned based > either on the order in which the motherboard firmware detects and > initializes the devices, or the ports into which the devices are > plugged. Which one gets used depends on your motherboard, and if it's > the former, nobody has any control over it. Your backup-and-restoration > plan needs to take that into account. The problem I speak about is more subtle than minor device numbers changing. It's device nodes actually disappearing. I'll explain below. > > That's why partition/filesystem labels were invented in the first > place. It's why a Windows disk can be transplanted into any slot on any > machine, and it can boot without intervention from the user---the > filesystems are all labeled. The worst problems of the kind were on Solaris, where I had to regenerate /etc/path_to_inst, /dev/devices and a lot of other non-obvious things after simply moving a disk or controller. That was before ZFS, however. But I digress. > > Since swap was the example you brought up I'm guessing that's your chief > concern, since a ZFS pool is usually unaffected by a change in drive > letters. In that case, just modify /etc/fstab before rebooting or > transplanting the disk. No, modifying /etc/fstab like this won't do much good. Please try to read me. 1. You attach a second disk, it becomes ada1. You create ada1p2 for swap and ada1p3 for zfs. 2. You create a zpool on ada1p3. "zpool status" shows ada1p3 as the physical device. 3. You move the disk to another system. It boots, and being unable to find ada1p3, loader(?) becomes desperate and uses /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp3 as the physical device for the root pool. 4. Once the diskid label is in use, there is no more ada1p3 or ada0p3 or whatever. It gets hidden. 5. You curse aloud and use /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp2 for swap because no device nodes and no other labels are available and there is no way to make them visible or create more human-friendly labels for partitions. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 02:42:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FBFC01725 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196BC38A for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39364092; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:42:05 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8T2gPxf035633; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:42:25 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8T2gM1s035629; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:42:22 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:42:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160929024222.GA35090@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:42:27 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Here are the steps I used to restore a "level zero" zfs file onto a > new/fresh mirror. Mike, thanks to your and others' help I have developed a solution which works for me, at least partially. The only problem with the solution is that I create the second pool on /dev/vtbd2p3, but when the new system boots, there is no /dev/vtbd2 (naturally) and the pool uses /dev/diskid/DISK-BHYVE-8054-2C08-770Ap3 for the physical device, burying all /dev/vtbd0p* devices. Here is my scenario: =================================================== #!/bin/sh DISK=/dev/vtbd2 ZPOOL=foobar1 zfs send -R zroot@test1 > /mnt/test1.zfs zpool destroy ${ZPOOL} gpart destroy -F ${DISK} gpart create -s gpt ${DISK} gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot ${DISK} gpart add -s 2g -t freebsd-swap ${DISK} gpart add -t freebsd-zfs ${DISK} gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${DISK} zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none ${ZPOOL} ${DISK}p3 zfs receive -vF ${ZPOOL} < /mnt/test1.zfs zpool set bootfs=${ZPOOL}/ROOT/test1 ${ZPOOL} zpool export ${ZPOOL} =================================================== -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 02:43:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AC3C0185C for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x234.google.com (mail-ua0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B7B16D7 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x234.google.com with SMTP id n13so54335000uaa.3 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:43:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vPwaWr13Y/h8TwQDTCiEU5wGvFV4cCuPu8QWifpmiqQ=; b=CIhlOnXvvQ3EPucWp1kzOk0ewL50EvQ3iDWiih3skjsl+v+Ax1tjWslqD0PZz3yMim OBFzpIf6oQVTRb+Hths+OdpCflfq5lXLadyxPmPBnBRjII4jRXf3LLUIjG5LX2SR2Yz3 R34mHwS/Mt/F9oyjCW2D6+06PWUorWTra7Ds6h2yomeLbmafXCjsbTeZtwaayXVC/mFe iOVbZl0wZRLbDqPT+zyDKu4oW8IelpBLFNtucnBmtapK/CyD/OzqIf7kAmdNdsv6zBwS Awkjzkgj5cwvRqe37B4YTNbOQhB31MJ0HyFFonLNlTgGKdK4rsk9bqlQAIl6x8zUj/BB N6KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vPwaWr13Y/h8TwQDTCiEU5wGvFV4cCuPu8QWifpmiqQ=; b=l5WpoRmNdnOCcWtmM5FETQ9csHAGb+mc4T3BO6w9jNapJBzgTR1LgWNWr0KtUXf5fl 778TDkgFDmNeI86UBZG0zvsO3d2eSW7RCixE5/RWoni0Vv5qNraU3Bs/g8C470ocC01H K73+v+2TJnPcoZpDb+Sad1vJKMkqdebpt8EpWN5HF0tSy3dIHdpKyDzQQ9PmiMfZlnAv v+NfWvgjgINqI5ZtzHbqLykh6y3VC/0hnrjkG3rbG1+dXEWb0OY2mzkJg8e8Uf7Fms3W oQ8tJjJqCHLujfq1at0PAUV36JcW3+1F+PlqhuwhoA2R+Fgwj0B7LhiRyxOONsLU7zNX ezzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RkKmKMZezWPvdqnwRspivcsuaZL5fgpMn3TlqXWS6xf8U2f4ehh+Is8xMPOWUfNtmZMDG3jl/GzHd4hJg== X-Received: by 10.176.5.228 with SMTP id e91mr8926754uae.120.1475117020270; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:43:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.139.130 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:43:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Clone a FBSD system with something in the likes of ghost To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:43:41 -0000 Greetings fellow daemons, I have a beautiful running server (dozens of jails and intricate configuration) on a single small and aging hard drive. I bought 2 new hard drives and want to migrate to a ZFS mirror. Pardon my ignorance but would there be a way to just copy my system from the old drive to the new ZFS array? I was thinking of something like this: 1) install the two new drives in the server and boot with old drive via an USB enclosure. 2) Create a booteable ZFS array and somehow copy an identical image of my current system onto the array. Am I dreaming or are there actual ways of doing this? I really don't want to re-install and configure everything. Just want to move an identical copy of my system to the new hard drives on a ZFS mirror. Any ideas greatly appreciated! TIA, Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 03:38:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5281ABE2A6D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 03:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "GeoTrust SSL CA - G4" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 453451AE for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 03:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:38:19 -0700 Subject: Re: cvs To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> From: David Christensen X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:38:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 03:38:30 -0000 On 09/28/2016 06:06 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: > I am using cvs for a number of projects and have been digging through the documentation, but not figuring out how to do what I need. There are multiple files in each project. All are entered into cvs and are updated fairly often. Some of the revision numbers are over 100. All I have done is commits to the files so far. > > I need to be able to identify the files in a specific version. For example on some date, I need to say all the current files belong to version x. Later another version x+1 and so forth. I also need to be able to pull out all the file from version x. I suspect there is an easy way to do this, but it has escaped me so far. CVS manages revision numbers on individual files. Some version control systems manage version numbers on sets of files (Git, Mercurial?). Still others number both individual files and sets of files (MKS SI). But, CVS provides "tags" for working with sets of files: info cvs cvs --help tag You can see the tags on a particular file with: cvs log FILENAME When I want to create a release of one of my projects, say revision 1.108, I check in all the files and then run: cvs tag -c r1_108 This applies the tag "r1_108" to the current revision of the files in the working set. (The -c option ensures that they are checked in, to reduce operator errors.) If I later want to check out all the files from a particular release: cvs co -r r1_108 (Note that CVS will mark the files as "sticky", which adds complexities I avoid by not editing them.) CVS also has the ability to check out files by date, but I have never tried that. If your files don't have tags, perhaps you can check them out by date and then add tags. Be sure to back up your CVS repository before mucking about. David p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 04:14:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB6EC00461 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09BCC13B4 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=UPOfJ2Xy c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=k07S35oj1O1ZFC27G8aSog==:117 a=k07S35oj1O1ZFC27G8aSog==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=sfndV9UqyVujLf2vpwwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.197.105 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.197.105] ([209.6.197.105:1091] helo=[192.168.1.117]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.23.54417 r(Core:3.6.23.0)) with ESMTPA id 59/CE-61435-7259CE75; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:14:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Clone a FBSD system with something in the likes of ghost To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Robert Huff Message-ID: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:14:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:14:40 -0000 On 9/28/2016 10:43 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > I have a beautiful running server (dozens of jails and intricate > configuration) on a single small and aging hard drive. I bought 2 new hard > drives and want to migrate to a ZFS mirror. > > Pardon my ignorance but would there be a way to just copy my system from > the old drive to the new ZFS array? > > I was thinking of something like this: 1) install the two new drives in the > server and boot with old drive via an USB enclosure. 2) Create a booteable > ZFS array and somehow copy an identical image of my current system onto the > array. > > Am I dreaming or are there actual ways of doing this? I really don't want > to re-install and configure everything. Just want to move an identical copy > of my system to the new hard drives on a ZFS mirror. The canonical - and correct - method involves dump piped to restore; there may be an example in the Handbook. Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 05:02:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9A5C00D9D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@mail.sermon-archive.info) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A529E89D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@mail.sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (unknown [71.177.216.148]) by zoom.lafn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 391DF34AE0A; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) Subject: Re: cvs From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:02:15 -0700 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> To: David Christensen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:02:17 -0000 > On 28 September 2016, at 20:38, David Christensen = wrote: >=20 > On 09/28/2016 06:06 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: >> I am using cvs for a number of projects and have been digging through = the documentation, but not figuring out how to do what I need. There = are multiple files in each project. All are entered into cvs and are = updated fairly often. Some of the revision numbers are over 100. All I = have done is commits to the files so far. =20 >>=20 >> I need to be able to identify the files in a specific version. For = example on some date, I need to say all the current files belong to = version x. Later another version x+1 and so forth. I also need to be = able to pull out all the file from version x. I suspect there is an = easy way to do this, but it has escaped me so far. >=20 > CVS manages revision numbers on individual files. Some version = control > systems manage version numbers on sets of files (Git, Mercurial?). > Still others number both individual files and sets of files (MKS SI). >=20 >=20 > But, CVS provides "tags" for working with sets of files: >=20 > info cvs >=20 > cvs --help tag >=20 >=20 > You can see the tags on a particular file with: >=20 > cvs log FILENAME >=20 >=20 > When I want to create a release of one of my projects, say revision > 1.108, I check in all the files and then run: >=20 > cvs tag -c r1_108 >=20 > This applies the tag "r1_108" to the current revision of the files in > the working set. (The -c option ensures that they are checked in, to > reduce operator errors.) >=20 >=20 > If I later want to check out all the files from a particular release: >=20 > cvs co -r r1_108 >=20 > (Note that CVS will mark the files as "sticky", which adds = complexities > I avoid by not editing them.) >=20 >=20 > CVS also has the ability to check out files by date, but I have never > tried that. If your files don't have tags, perhaps you can check them > out by date and then add tags. Be sure to back up your CVS repository > before mucking about. >=20 >=20 > David >=20 >=20 > p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current > edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >=20 > http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the = middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about = this years ago. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 05:10:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BABC00FC6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedrzejczak.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D6FFB68 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedrzejczak.michal@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id w72so2778227wmf.1 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=mBMgMwIPlHcFaSa3b+sNEuxEa6D4hdKoIDpZJ2D7MtA=; b=I1Gln9muDU3WyhV0UAj+1JHs8hdCNfjqBWm8fU6wC9JpH/bkSYRTts841cCuCEap7Z DK9z5Hq/r2T8qxFJJH0BRNgPufFUeRdJ1ONvjohlV4z5H8WTO4muaBFF6Wr4RJarsdUF aIe5kJBqlw6wjWLuwLkdzSLxysDCq10kAwgRSjfy1Dd7w2z6GeSB4JkRim/WMMFxQGsV iM5lXCsZyydo3n6xLKvzFdvxdTwre5M/r57gALC1L3OKNj4RD/Eqbwk9PP6DuoKHxld4 NwPvhDA6ccJ/QndVO2O0zFRIctikdORmGV49JKSM1QZ+IsthSHS780h5ZRBdlNidd4ED aZBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mBMgMwIPlHcFaSa3b+sNEuxEa6D4hdKoIDpZJ2D7MtA=; b=giCpYERrohLLd36Yia/asynYFMvAWHLc2jQ6rm4mYCJ78iyhzSGZxr9YzK8KezLTni xpKsCJIIG7aZWxN7QGuW4Wy0OWTydjgf6t9KwyA89Ce8GJsKFc49FLvqh0o92dfmjVIv nTpRnecNw2OV+Nb/ROF0hMD+6heDV6eiHG/pqesMXwTU2s9TXFGBe42IK3XfuT0IAvgI 9Kuj1+vp9AM50Ulxef0H5POXITTB2TzMq/nYzYfom+nYnx9cOG3ZTOjjebYkAREvgrl/ Kba6t7UZ+xcy12ipsI5/1joQcuqRnDuaTqSrzu0kYph0yzdLHD7k61PW0Z8uaeaztHuu oqvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNjDf531+/j4bBfxJDmip/yoWtIzwuCxES+wA59KX4CWq/6QLU51CBKTx5Ab9E9OFPwfJp5A2WYg70YYQ== X-Received: by 10.194.93.198 with SMTP id cw6mr30736033wjb.212.1475125819077; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:10:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jedrzejczak.michal@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.97.42 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:10:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <37046.128.135.52.6.1475074557.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> <20160927134158.74c11036@archlinux.localdomain> <20160928091109.7aa95c9d@moonstudio> <20160928105420.7b1d117f@moonstudio> <37046.128.135.52.6.1475074557.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBKxJlkcnplamN6YWs=?= Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:10:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6av1A4TtmZ4POpEzNXqXiXLFmRk Message-ID: Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: Ralf Mardorf , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:21 -0000 Thanks everyone for answers, now I know lot of more what I wanted :) Regards Micha=C5=82 J=C4=99drzejczak 2016-09-28 16:55 GMT+02:00 Valeri Galtsev : > On Wed, September 28, 2016 3:54 am, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions > wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:59:09 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >>You are comparing different CPU brands with each other . > > > > It's unrealistic to compare 32 bit and 64 CPUs, produced with the same > level of development. Could you provide some examples? > > > > Actually I'm comparing two CPUs from the same family. The CPU I'm using > for my desktop computer today and the last 32 bit CPU I used for my > desktop computer before I switched to 64 bit. > > > > My old 32 bit was an Athlon single core 800, 850 or 900 MHz, I don't > remember exactly, Socket A, so the consumption was between >=3D 42.6 W an= d > <=3D 49.7. My current, newer 64 bit dual core is an Athlon BE-2350, 2100 > MHz, Socket AM2, 45 W. > > > >>Assume that two CPUs are produced with the SAME technology . > >>A 64 bit CPU will contain more circuits than a 32 bit CPU , means more > power it will use because amount of power will be proportional to number > of circuit components and length of connection lines . > > > > But they are not produced with the same technology, the 32 bit > > Athlon I mentioned requires 1.70 V or 1.75 V, the 64 bit Athlon I > mentioned 1.25 V, they are anyway from the same family, they were just no= t > produced with the same level of development. > > This is true: the power goes mostly into charging and discharging > capacitances associated with FET gates (ans stray capacitances). Energy > associated with charge is (C*(U)^2)/2. If we use half of voltage this > energy drops 4 times! (hence consumed power drops 4 times). This is why > the highest frequency part (core) works at lower voltage than the rest of > CPU. Now, there is also capacitance C in that formulae, which roughly > speaking is proportional to gate area (it is more sophisticated, yet...). > So, the technology goes to twice as small nanometers (which are linear > dimensions of elements), then the capacitance diminishes 4 times. That is > why it only makes sense to compare "the same technology". Next, the CPUs > are more sophisticated than just a width of arithmetic unit which for 64 > bit would be twice than for 32 bit if CPUs were trivial devices. Actually > it is not quite so, thus processing some amount of 32 bit CPU work on 64 > bin CPU will (considering the rest equal) not require to spend twice the > energy as compared to 32 bit CPU. You will spend more energy, this is > correct, but not two times more. (Very crude analogy here is: powering of= f > unused CPU cores; somewhat parallel utilization of components of 64 bit > CPU when processing 32 bit stuff probably is less crude way of saying it)= . > > Anyway, thanks, everybody for refreshing and very insightful discussion! > > Valeri > > > > > The slower CPU, slower RAM, different hardware, IDE etc., made the old > computer almost half as fast, so it needs to run almost double the time, > to reach the same processing power. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CPU_power_dissipation_ > figures#AMD_Athlon_64_X2_.2F_Athlon_X2 > http://www.anandtech.com/show/557/3 > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 05:10:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66580C00FE0 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37665B89 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8T5APvE011478 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u8T5APeu011471; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:10:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert Huff cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clone a FBSD system with something in the likes of ghost In-Reply-To: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> Message-ID: References: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:10:26 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:27 -0000 On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Robert Huff wrote: > On 9/28/2016 10:43 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> I have a beautiful running server (dozens of jails and intricate >> configuration) on a single small and aging hard drive. I bought 2 new hard >> drives and want to migrate to a ZFS mirror. >> >> Pardon my ignorance but would there be a way to just copy my system from >> the old drive to the new ZFS array? >> >> I was thinking of something like this: 1) install the two new drives in the >> server and boot with old drive via an USB enclosure. 2) Create a booteable >> ZFS array and somehow copy an identical image of my current system onto the >> array. >> >> Am I dreaming or are there actual ways of doing this? I really don't want >> to re-install and configure everything. Just want to move an identical copy >> of my system to the new hard drives on a ZFS mirror. > > The canonical - and correct - method involves dump piped to restore; > there may be an example in the Handbook. I have not tried it, but I think restore(8) should work when writing to a ZFS system. So dump(8) on the original UFS piped to restore(8) on ZFS, presumably in a dataset or multiple datasets. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html After it is on ZFS, dump(8) cannot be used, but zfs send and zfs recv are similar. Or rsync, or tar, or clonehd, or other things. The options with them are the trick. It takes a lot to get rsync to make a serious copy of a non-trivial filesystem with links and flags. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 06:29:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA68C0063B for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 671BA9FC for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03491FB6C for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/03491FB6C; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> <20160928164601.GA28493@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <868tub1om1.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160929022501.GA33088@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <07f48d63-d527-3f44-8d13-95eb8269322d@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:28:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160929022501.GA33088@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RujuXinD2qV3OIpNOMGUDw3GhSi9iQujQ" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:29:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RujuXinD2qV3OIpNOMGUDw3GhSi9iQujQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MstvmSBHlgogQi4iXHFnfd1IpdcrdMVo6"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <07f48d63-d527-3f44-8d13-95eb8269322d@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> <20160928164601.GA28493@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <868tub1om1.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160929022501.GA33088@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> In-Reply-To: <20160929022501.GA33088@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> --MstvmSBHlgogQi4iXHFnfd1IpdcrdMVo6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29/09/2016 03:25, Victor Sudakov wrote: > 1. You attach a second disk, it becomes ada1. You create ada1p2 for > swap and ada1p3 for zfs. >=20 > 2. You create a zpool on ada1p3. "zpool status" shows ada1p3 as the phy= sical > device. >=20 > 3. You move the disk to another system. It boots, and being unable to > find ada1p3, loader(?) becomes desperate and uses > /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp3 as the physical device for the root pool. >=20 > 4. Once the diskid label is in use, there is no more ada1p3 or ada0p3 > or whatever. It gets hidden.=20 >=20 > 5. You curse aloud and use /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp2 for swap because n= o > device nodes and no other labels are available and there is no way to > make them visible or create more human-friendly labels for partitions. But /dev/ada1p2 or /dev/ada0p2 will still be visible, so you can tell your system to swap there... Even better, if you use gpart labels, in which case you'll have a /dev/gpt/swap whoes name will remain constant irrespective of which of ada0 or ada1 the disk ends up as. This is the default setup created by the installer. Cheers, Matthew --MstvmSBHlgogQi4iXHFnfd1IpdcrdMVo6-- --RujuXinD2qV3OIpNOMGUDw3GhSi9iQujQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJX7LSrXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATXPgQALCog1XZiozyvtGYPGo2Sq8N x59XMPj4d+8Ke4BiSVgxqqRUFmFGO2JXlBFPM14hrlqN/5ys5jPDG8akYNMT0KT0 v4UALqmX6Wcaml0+axQTsVzaIjEV9nsD7WIH3LGqwsRCzkP8x5Vs516l6p+Gbxen zrYyWR2BZjzaRuKCQXV1KqyaVmkg6jWb2iASaDpVbbnPHgk4QeTVuCgMtiYnR6Zi +nhsIo81UQ1v18cryly3ZbhAxUO4CHGE8MNrAKHrbGr1u6sHK/T+20YDEVhg19YA dpjPjaHJEZ6q4OOiNJ3Qra1dDMRfh4i+QFID9Z0GzkvFOOP+QtsyFs4cOc2SRveR FtsObC7XUpPm1rc/JRbQ4dneVrOe2yBuPTEgLGoIWPCS4fcqS4LW+38J+WG2oVEu ByKFXXPrwErOeb+hNA1w6TV0YgUFXSXYCinI+AQEpRUHBGD1thpI64ROsqa8CdgC poaHdm5pvmSYyVL6l3iuVeOZ4N1ps06wj7lr6JChh1+vqJW2s9wUV2n21PPxshkZ I+zhg8LwJP46jVcg7Aoi6CM42I1fEFmXChgMAcPumlspREzWNAi5SWOLzL8mHWaI EpA0uOdDUgW16p4s0OYebI25KA7A91rbC7TJQHnFDfnXbqW6nZMcfUFmikPuQ+eg H50Sqx+XXf2k474T7jeW =TgmH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RujuXinD2qV3OIpNOMGUDw3GhSi9iQujQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 08:57:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47A0C00848 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A98A6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39364457; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:57:19 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8T8vcQd051109; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:57:38 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8T8vZUN051107; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:57:35 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:57:35 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160929085735.GA50867@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20160926154720.GA75556@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160927085322.GA96393@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <78faa2e2-0e44-27ef-eaf0-0f0fc358cc09@sentex.net> <20160928023144.GA8980@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928023521.GA9537@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <63b7a504-3958-555a-d3a3-1f52f61e3c1d@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <63b7a504-3958-555a-d3a3-1f52f61e3c1d@sentex.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:57:40 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 9/27/2016 10:35 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > but what if I just wanted to test the stream without actually receiving it? > > Dont think there is a way. A lot of people backup the stream to an > actual zfs file server. That way you have zfs make sure all is "good" > with the backup. "zfs receive -n" should be a way, if only it did not fail like it does. > When you send it to a file, make sure the file is > stored on a system that wont allow bitrot as the file can easily become > corrupted. I love dump/restore, and 'restore -rN' was my favourite tool to check backups for corruption. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 09:04:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6452C00F92 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE6DA16; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39364471; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:04:37 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u8T94vTb051447; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:04:57 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id u8T94sft051445; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:04:54 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:04:54 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: complete clone/restore from a ZFS-based system replication stream Message-ID: <20160929090454.GB50867@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <688eec35-bc7b-ae05-b765-106933b522d1@sentex.net> <20160928145137.GA27497@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20160928154941.GB27823@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <0f4490dc-34e3-3caa-7aa7-a2a284ed0ffd@sentex.net> <20160928164601.GA28493@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <868tub1om1.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160929022501.GA33088@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <07f48d63-d527-3f44-8d13-95eb8269322d@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <07f48d63-d527-3f44-8d13-95eb8269322d@FreeBSD.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:05:00 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 29/09/2016 03:25, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > 1. You attach a second disk, it becomes ada1. You create ada1p2 for > > swap and ada1p3 for zfs. > > > > 2. You create a zpool on ada1p3. "zpool status" shows ada1p3 as the physical > > device. > > > > 3. You move the disk to another system. It boots, and being unable to > > find ada1p3, loader(?) becomes desperate and uses > > /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp3 as the physical device for the root pool. > > > > 4. Once the diskid label is in use, there is no more ada1p3 or ada0p3 > > or whatever. It gets hidden. > > > > 5. You curse aloud and use /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp2 for swap because no > > device nodes and no other labels are available and there is no way to > > make them visible or create more human-friendly labels for partitions. > > But /dev/ada1p2 or /dev/ada0p2 will still be visible, so you can tell > your system to swap there... No, they will not be visible. If /dev/diskid/BLA-BLA-BLAp3 is in use by the pool, you won't see /dev/ada0p2 or /dev/ada0p1 either. That's the problem. Only /dev/ada0 will be there. > > Even better, if you use gpart labels, in which case you'll have a > /dev/gpt/swap whoes name will remain constant irrespective of which of > ada0 or ada1 the disk ends up as. This is the default setup created by > the installer. I dunno, the default setup (at least on 10.3) created by the installer puts kern.geom.label.gptid.enable="0" into /boot/loader.conf -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 10:51:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FC5C01ADD; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 985051A4C; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [2.247.247.198] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bpYvu-0008Ov-PN; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:51:18 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r292778-amd64 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id u8TApGYg003630 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:51:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id u8TApF16003629; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:51:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:51:15 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: gnome@freebsd.org Subject: graphics/atril && flashplugin??? Message-ID: <20160929105115.GA3603@c720-r292778-amd64> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gnome@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r292778 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 2.247.247.198 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:51:27 -0000 Hello, I'm using from the ports graphics/atril (on 11-CURRENT amd64, ports rev. r414411) and always encounter that it takes 3-4 seconds until atril after saying Ctrl-w in its window. I investigated with truss(1) and see that at the end it is waiting for one of its child (here pid 3045) and finally it is giving up and killing it: $ fgrep 3045, atril.tr 3033: 20.501371823 wait4(3045,0x0,WNOHANG,0x0) = 0 (0x0) 3033: 21.503397499 wait4(3045,0x0,WNOHANG,0x0) = 0 (0x0) 3033: 22.506252611 wait4(3045,0x0,WNOHANG,0x0) = 0 (0x0) 3033: 23.510077119 wait4(3045,0x0,WNOHANG,0x0) = 0 (0x0) 3033: 23.510418224 kill(3045,SIGTERM) = 0 (0x0) 3033: 23.512856522 wait4(3045,0x0,WNOHANG,0x0) = 3045 (0xbe5) the child 3045 has other issues: on start it spends many time to close the not open fd from 3 to 87542(!!!) and than it executes via /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer (see below) and the users .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so If one moves .mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so away, atril works fine and fast. Why is this design? 3045: 1.496706146 3045: 1.496985511 thr_self(0x813415000) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.497405397 getpid() = 3045 (0xbe5) 3045: 1.497716610 sysarch(AMD64_SET_FSBASE,0x7fffffffd3b8) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.497900432 sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK,{ },0x0) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.498091238 getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE,{ cur=87543,max=87543 }) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.498302438 close(3) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.498475365 close(4) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.498618121 close(5) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.498813956 close(6) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.498966769 close(7) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.499109803 close(8) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.499240546 close(9) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.499386934 close(10) ERR#9 'Bad file descriptor' 3045: 1.499522426 close(11) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.499833918 close(12) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.499968572 close(13) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.500107137 close(14) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 1.500239556 close(15) ERR#9 'Bad file descriptor' 3045: 1.500385384 close(16) ERR#9 'Bad file descriptor' ... 3045: 11.353033975 close(87540) ERR#9 'Bad file descriptor' 3045: 11.353262496 close(87541) ERR#9 'Bad file descriptor' 3045: 11.353421455 close(87542) ERR#9 'Bad file descriptor' 3045: 11.360569570 execve("/usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer",0x7fffffffd5a0,0x8134d8000) = 0 (0x0) ... 3045: 11.683922119 linux_socketcall(1,{ LINUX_SOCKET, 0x0 }) = 7 (0x7) 3045: 11.684067947 linux_access("/etc/sysconfig/32bit_ssse3_memcpy_via_32bit_ssse3_memmove",F_OK) ERR#4294967294 'Unknown error: -2' 3045: 11.684297865 linux_socketcall(2,{ LINUX_GETPEERNAME, 0x40 }) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 11.684543986 linux_socketcall(4,{ LINUX_GETPEERNAME, 0x40 }) = 0 (0x0) 3045: 23.510353411 linux_socketcall(5,{ LINUX_GETPEERNAME, 0xffffc5e0 }) ERR#4294967292 'Unknown error: -4' 3045: 23.510353411 SIGNAL 15 (SIGTERM) 3045: 23.512761818 process killed, signal = 15 -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 "Ohne die Mauer hätte es Krieg gegeben" Fritz Streletz u.a. "Sin el Muro hubiese habido guerra." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 11:20:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A75C02364 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com (mail-oi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD8BBAA1 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id w11so87031945oia.2 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=tuL67jTyXloNKDgvoBcp9cB5ytUfTqDjxCs9Om29Ycc=; b=x5UPewjtiwi628K7ckn27nC6pKrxJ0A7Ecy69t0G+tqnHuaM8hP5mTvIq7ma3zeTJh eQotq4vLAHPr9wJrnA2FGy84nEskL41+BYIRF1fA6mB4lg89Lx9JT+7Yu+g6RguQdEmO /un1UEyX+tIhflgnl9pRSqCZ8mZUSq/4bb30eOz1w0q1LLz4yn7TzJYAZx9w9xr3+aDX bAfaCNCWwuBSIE8HS3aSDWofd6J+k2t2JSA7cQMzSBvO5DPq39BQFwsn3shyarnA19YJ PULdlgcIJyHeRPyqvxRKc3hhvGZyG/Ei29GpCV4yGOUHPFt/1QZTq4q0pf/WzG9td7uh beXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=tuL67jTyXloNKDgvoBcp9cB5ytUfTqDjxCs9Om29Ycc=; b=RWzTQzHgn1tW38FiIbt647wM3k5f2+Vk0SQ6zKUyAE5Snr3KE5o9QXpOd6ugDierLM QJULsQP9+22+vXKajOibrHAFHU9EBfr8lKryJepdByBeHUTppuVnIRdAsUA1sSw/OgEN l+cS5uWTKFDOGAkqjAgAdTznq5qUUytzWOxIJec6vdxh9xqCpEEzCltGaY7jkrHkSDSQ 4htnucl015G4tXhfVKk2xICaXs+tcUswok7rXdKfH0kHUeu+SSvTRZRPdiXfub1DoJxP pyICPTW9kuJzXapxpCYcOIgiLNDGtgvCXmdRccprstZzgElpFQMqU5Op/cOiBr+Js8da E+aQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlMJgNNYrdnBsX5u1VDduqXJT0/hOtJMTmIVtQy0ufdd2klv58zmBxeCdMjKBKtslF1USbJBWtcfvE6EQ== X-Received: by 10.202.49.212 with SMTP id x203mr842660oix.58.1475148001908; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:20:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.235.197 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Miller Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:20:01 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rgFIT4_HliZGmFqZ5oxGc-wGU7c Message-ID: Subject: HPE Smart Array B140i To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:20:03 -0000 Hi all, There seems to be little info with regards to the Smart Array B140i though a post[1] to a list suggests it works in FreeBSD, but not well. I'm wondering if there are other stories of FreeBSD installations on HP servers utilizing the B140i disk controller. The most recent hardware release notes also do not specify this device as supported[2][3]. [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2015-December/007730.html [2] https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/hardware.html [3] https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.3R/hardware.html -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 11:36:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D605C02861 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16395FB for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [198.71.6.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8TBChcZ004840 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Jon Radel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade to 10.3R .... In-Reply-To: <7adc6f3c-3167-6df9-26e8-a69e22bb49b3@radel.com> Message-ID: References: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <7adc6f3c-3167-6df9-26e8-a69e22bb49b3@radel.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2016/09/27 10:13:08 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2016/09/29 04:41:00 #7893925 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:36:11 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Jon Radel wrote: > On 9/28/16 3:50 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> "William A. Mahaffey III" writes: >> >>> are many online URLs with dire warnings about using ZFS & non-ECC RAM >>> causing data corruption (this box is a commodity desktop w/ non-ECC >> >>> 1. Are these concerns valid, i.e. founded in fact ? >> Possibly not. They posting seems rather convincing that special concerns about zfs and ECC memory should be considered as "overwrought": http://jrs-s.net/2015/02/03/will-zfs-and-non-ecc-ram-kill-your-data/ dan feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 12:57:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BA5BEC725 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9B04BC6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8TCvawu032456 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u8TCva2Y032453; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:57:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Doug Hardie cc: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs In-Reply-To: <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> Message-ID: References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:57:36 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:57:39 -0000 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: >> p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current >> edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >> >> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ > > Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about this years ago. Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The book on it is on the same site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 13:04:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A9CBEC953 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3D81F82 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8TD4Eb6034116 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u8TD4DY5034111; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:04:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ian Smith cc: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive In-Reply-To: <20160929014801.W6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <20160929014801.W6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:04:14 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:04:16 -0000 On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 643, Issue 3, Message: 17 > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:19:39 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > > On 09/27/2016 08:12 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > > Just checking .. did you only access the stick by reading with dd? > > > > Correct. > > OK. > > > > Where? > > > > The last block: > > > > # ll > > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 691669504 2016/09/25 11:25:37 > > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > > > # cmp -l > > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > /dev/sdc > > 691669010 351 235 << ~18 bytes into the last 512-byte block > > 691669011 117 252 > > 691669012 2 351 > > > 691669081 121 0 > > 691669082 235 0 > > 691669083 252 0 > > 691669084 351 0 > > 691669085 0 301 > > 691669086 0 203 > > 691669087 0 127 > > 691669088 0 137 > > 691669089 0 337 > > 691669090 0 24 > [..] > > 691669495 0 227 > > 691669497 0 22 > > 691669498 0 163 > > 691669499 0 362 > > 691669500 0 372 > > 691669501 0 221 > > 691669502 0 230 > > 691669503 0 122 > > 691669504 0 256 > > cmp: EOF on > > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > Right, so most of the last sector was updated. I'm no good at octal .. > > We discerned recently that for 10.3, i386 memstick is GPT/EFI and amd64 > is still MBR/BSD. Since only the last sector differs, perhaps something > has updated the secondary GPT during the installation, assuming that a > GPT image should already include one - or at least, the space for one? A secondary copy of the partition table is saved at the end of a GPT-partitioned drive. This is a problem for GPT when a binary image is written to a device that is not exactly the same size as the image. That is pretty much always the case with installer images. gpart can repair ("recover") the backup partition table because it is a copy of the primary partition table. This might be required during an install to make sure the disk works with particularly strict BIOS or UEFI implementations. Although it seems like a reboot would be required afterwards. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 13:17:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E1CBECD47 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0098D8ED for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-138-147.knology.net [216.186.138.147] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u8TDH9sn026009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:17:10 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: upgrade to 10.3R .... Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: <813d4685-1a5c-d744-2bcf-9ef889c49763@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:22:39 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:17:13 -0000 On 09/28/16 14:56, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > "William A. Mahaffey III" writes: > >> are many online URLs with dire warnings about using ZFS & non-ECC RAM >> causing data corruption (this box is a commodity desktop w/ non-ECC >> 1. Are these concerns valid, i.e. founded in fact ? > Sure. When you get uncorrected bit flips, you can end up corrupting your > data or even the filesystem. That isn't unique to ZFS, of course. Very well. I drew the inference that data integrity would be considerably worse, proportional to RAM errors rather than HDD errors, maybe I am overthinking it .... > > If the data integrity guarantees aren't the deciding reason you're using > ZFS, then this isn't an issue. Some people use ZFS on laptops, for > example, for other features rather than data integrity (most commonly, > compression). > >> 2. If so, should this be mentioned in the wiki or website somewhere ? > I wouldn't bother. "ECC memory reduces data corruption" is right up > there with "the computer will run most effectively when powered up." I *LOVE* it :-) .... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 13:39:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED28C00882 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 546EFA7D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u8TDUMac055229; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:30:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: upgrade to 10.3R .... To: Lowell Gilbert , "William A. Mahaffey III" References: <3d09a931-73f8-65d0-588a-70a57c812e85@hiwaay.net> <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:30:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44mvirztvd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:39:14 -0000 On 2016-09-28 21:50, Lowell Gilbert wrote:rruption" is right up > there with "the computer will run most effectively when powered up." > Are you really sure about that? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 14:43:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16C9C014ED for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52106867 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1475160053; bh=uH/kT3NzDn1aG023ajs1SQbLSHFHpdqRwczB+lcZtnM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=cAG0FZcQoqu2N1EJRkS+sO1s5+WI9yX35334NLj7rB5fRe3btDbhiCbSeuMmop5E6GR/IDcmiJBmgpOfai33HP5xnzVlMbSIpabJ1cJshuFU9s52rrxNqtHY1yumaLRpl6l11Wo7+w/uwATr1eyEcRfjAVNbvamriDlItTEBhTZRt0XL5i5BINISpYFLz3drM55DgkeOsHBoJuvuo60HzQ+V3UaYwWYIzXCts5GUtL52gJVg86M65GJaW4IHymhKyoO45PtbOpj77xHACnCSLJ+qINIb3AubyKMS0xyHIPfrAjvXXlHpQWwBsYqwJ/DbuQ/eE5AQnXUbA4b/xbUlHw== Received: from [212.82.98.60] by nm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2016 14:40:53 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2016 14:40:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2016 14:40:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 458098.28121.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aWyEWjQVM1kBwO09egHeWO9hgxdkwHZFUCEIS_u3cC394eq .RLHUcyeBqxh1Nz1A12ewPFXTbSy6iLstPIoUbtzs3Ln0Z_G3RbJl5uSvRa. D2dsQqC2YsE.Spi_YxoYQlu_d4w2.GvdraDrr5wnK.lVzUa5kDhIpB6ISUer 2.uAThVS9mLBc6KfjyfOD2UOSjVJ6LhfXpoHliTRVbt0cFl6urhtE6u0JeNj m3cjkXVfs7A6KdpoWPLewoYQyJ56tsAeYyM957jr6OIRWFlqPfmrOF.LEz8L pPV8eovA7IY5rus7AlGv.2l4K7X232QSxe5QSV1zHewW9IKLV3woS1Xj_cB8 ZJQ_AXQNoDHqVAzGUYDDRbrFchbfEL6Or0vyYzEJR8SL1GoXGjCMV62.eZcM VOzcltRa3judWh1A.UfyQPFHqesxN__F8Z3w035rI0Ez95hJefNv2mjQpgsp M5gSj5o2HlIgtxD36CNLH2O0zNDu3CVrGiSMQLwLcmdp4NaZNSaPBtM_9A.4 0xtYqKlRoVgaeYM9YsabwK6FfpTY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:41:03 +0200 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 version in future ? Message-Id: <20160929164103.e359aecff9cb9e71f6d1e6ed@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> References: <0D6BF663-5C95-4625-B412-00E14EF97986@FreeBSD.org> <35.AF.06698.BEF4AE75@dnvrco-oedge03> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:43:05 -0000 On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:53:58 +0000 "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > > On 27 Sep 2016, at 10:22, Micha__ . wrote: > > > I've stupid/not stupid question to FreeBSD Foundation. > > That___s not a foundation decision. The foundation supports the > > project financially and legally. It does not make any technical > > decisions regarding the > > direction of the project. > > > > You have plans to stop release the i386 (32bit) version of > > > FreeBSD system in next releases ? > > > I___m not aware of (and would be very surprised by) any plans to > > drop support for > > i386. There are many applications for embedded x86 boards, so it > > will remain a useful architecture for the foreseeable future. > > > Regards, > > Kristof > > Some applications run only on 32-bit, or the 32-bit version is better > developed: wine, for instance. > > Bitrig, forked from OpenBSD (bitrig.org), supports amd64 but not i386. > > DragonFlyBSD quit 32-bit i386. Some Linux distributions have also > quit i386. > > But for older computers, as well as applications that require or do > better on i386, I would vote to retain i386, and I believe this is > the consensus among FreeBSD developers. I use it for VMs that requiere low resources, upto 2 GB RAM, 10GB disk, etc... I think it won't happen any time soon > Tom > --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 19:31:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1E0C02CB4 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@mail.sermon-archive.info) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40DC111B for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@mail.sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (unknown [71.177.216.148]) by zoom.lafn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FA9134ACF1; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) Subject: Re: cvs From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:31:18 -0700 Cc: Doug Hardie , David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:31:21 -0000 > On 29 September 2016, at 05:57, Warren Block = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >>> p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The = current >>> edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >>>=20 >>> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ >>=20 >> Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in = the middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked = about this years ago. >=20 > Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The book on it is on the = same site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ I looked through that. Subversion is a more complicated system. There = is only one developer (me) so I don't really want to make this into more = than I need. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 19:47:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA827C01267 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "GeoTrust SSL CA - G4" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3AD11BE0 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:47:19 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <56532342-f2d4-377d-605b-2e1b5bfb2160@holgerdanske.com> <028307a7-0771-6429-d72f-f85f9530f55d@citrin.ru> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:47:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:47:22 -0000 On 09/28/2016 12:40 PM, David Christensen wrote: > How do I file a bug report against FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img? I asked the above question because the bug reporting system seems to be focused on bugs found in installed systems, rather than bugs found in the installer. In the absence of clarification, I guessed: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=213099 David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 29 20:02:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BA6C01864 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7748A24 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from cds082.dcs.int.inet ([10.0.153.93]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id phXbbD0QXFfiXphXcbLPQ0; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:02:50 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20150330; t=1475179370; bh=32EiwNX8o4q1TX2B99bvYxUUnMjOvXzpVc6jwfiaIrk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=I8KhgOaOUHJbOjnZhVaepU5rSINvNZvUxi+OFhXljcKRmLVtUZTCg7ckpya3WKxQw Qvv0G1U7/djiMOJisl0zVYpxy6Y3VE94nQZacamFx8g2MEgUiozw7ppPqt/4b3fLJ4 M8PQmHGfgL1C7d7l+UfnONtvIL8/OM3Okt6b+jwbcfpf7B64qP2ACuDIwT6HEJ4d5b nfxreOshuW0RKMkrz1M/l1fvMJpDgmUXsqCm0Xq8VO2gKoXK0FT0+eSFrJPnEAuCL7 t1AbPR+1F4HzLMaPwjcdGDBSRSWRforF7CsDUeU42l+tNCG5m/lGFsQrLUty/nHygF 16oaeJUHbip1w== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Qb8khYTv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=L9a2ioI+WyVsvPT5slEF4Q==:117 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=LS_5ex6TAAAA:8 a=s1O25tkdAAAA:8 a=o2eD-HNaAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=PJKVaOmkPTm0OVhUx-cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qyi5KaiLeN2T-ux25jI3:22 a=9RVvRGMgto3ou685TtFS:22 a=11XUlMADNEblK4yUrxKs:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cvs From: Dale Scott In-Reply-To: <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:02:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Warren Block , Doug Hardie , David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> To: Doug Hardie X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.7_GA_2942 (MobileSync - Apple-iPad4C4/1401.456) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfP4NXPp4R1yGu6edimpeQUSNu1N05MenR/NmKT6L4S265clFpdXtfjT4WDlZintWJhhmKWoWM2wVZnktIZMcb2fNsLU+WjGYk0ZrVCQef7LfF7/l/c1J KYVEWuY1KxHzNuJZ5hXOL6GxEEmyNQwaLfj9i2v+FsP15PK4HWkDIkkH2NbSE2S73mt/ETjWMuoFbOIEb3PepvTygQip+UbpyeWeZhf9HMSgI/3H2eGnKpv3 pyavkncohP2L/2jhxgO+SNhH1R6Kv8BK4ieBcT3JiGMp7hwMl/OLQJ5dAUWTNPDZSRNTU5uMn2wduiygLgI3z+9BCHKVVGsAn1M/CSL5MZoMYt6WCIuARHb+ lieqAoZr X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:02:57 -0000 For what it's worth, I'm typically a sole developer and I use Git. It's not c= omplicated to pick up the basics, and I find it invaluable to easily create b= ranches for new investigations or feature development, park new code for a w= hile if the old (i.e. production) code needs a quick bug fix or new feature,= and easily merge branches back into the main code after both have diverged.= A more modern tool doesn't necessarily make your life more complicated, it c= an also simplify work and add to your career toolbox. My nickel's worth.... Dale > On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Doug Hardie w= rote: >=20 >=20 >> On 29 September 2016, at 05:57, Warren Block wrote: >>=20 >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: >>=20 >>>> p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current >>>> edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >>>>=20 >>>> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ >>>=20 >>> Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the m= iddle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about this y= ears ago. >>=20 >> Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The book on it is on the same= site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >=20 > I looked through that. Subversion is a more complicated system. There is= only one developer (me) so I don't really want to make this into more than I= need. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 00:06:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8525C02A4C for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9499D91 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from Chriss-MacBook-Pro.local (209-203-101-124.static.twtelecom.net [209.203.101.124]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5CDD3C1E2 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Stankevitz Subject: Using GPT labels in rc.conf's geli_devices and geli_flags To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:05:53 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:06:01 -0000 Hi, My system has a zroot which holds the OS and 36 zfs 'data drives' (in 3 pools) which are not required for booting. Never are all of the data drives are in the system at the same time. One zpool is always exported (and removed). The /dev/da* device names are changing all the time so I use GPT labels keep everything organized. Each data drive contains one large GPT partition which is labeled with the serial number of the drive. They appear as /dev/gpt/ABCD, /dev/gpt/WXYZ, etc. I use geli to encrypt these partitions. The decrypted partitions appear as /dev/gpt/ABCD.eli etc. Questions: Q1: How do I specify the encrypted "providers" in rc.conf's geli_devices variable? Q2: How do I specify the geli flags in rc.conf? My Guesses: A1: geli_devices="/dev/gpt/ABCD /dev/gpt/WXYZ" A2: geli_/dev/gpt/ABCD_flags="-k /root/ABCD.key" (I'm sure this is wrong) Thank you, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 00:37:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490DFC00412 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x234.google.com (mail-ua0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11AF9E9 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x234.google.com with SMTP id l16so62385884uaa.1 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:37:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lW+o0Kch4PQgGYT5aU3mSf/F8ezeOr17rPtS8uxpqM8=; b=UN/FHE5w62Pmo6nBRP4Ppd7Q6qz3v/W3OWuhEvSK/71AOaB75JXRKsk4S2qeEVcS02 melOtj3xQnFmRpHyd1g9doXUW/7z+mpPIHDkQNwbbF7sMvmAEZ9fkvQueujuAcDqX++b 3bP4xqrS8w80IRadXmgqOdyz4r5w3RQDwmPA0sn3AT6+A4oC4YCtnrECKT9Nrc8ZBR0W lDqZbVViXUzjIa6eQPQkf7zLTk4+GloppXzmHLQF9g0QeBjTW/2FNf2exJqp8T9Xmc8J 8zsISs4lnbaNSiOCXaqzQ+Hp0BDy2AjHHEhbXLnz3mApewRiMNneCkx7bb2Z8oJSi2vI TVlg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lW+o0Kch4PQgGYT5aU3mSf/F8ezeOr17rPtS8uxpqM8=; b=HJN5K3rdH8546hF3KgDyhuajA8oi/eHAc5nVoA2KOZh2koKUQsPn5Ip+UjkZBdojXk P8ePKzXwYFB7XeZC4I9MSA1mLvr8WTui7lpUGzu+pH2pmurgugWmX8hHuvgwX7lIJXPU /rM524QkYyExZjI/U/0O2np87uKEwcPLVHg3E7YjeHJHqujzT4ogPbgYSW7LDA2AjGG1 WOGJr8Ou5VPF238R1fIi4jnFwQM4rsnfA6+xONsYjzquRauNp0gc9X8wofO8xmJ5/h8j 0NxrX9z/Vz2F4gJxaAgpLzZPwZYhxSLtAa4ccHu/eyq1CkxLSQzbjxmdeO4Hg88+QVDw n7vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmWXCA0JaaQ7Ff/rFXkx2DWopNcmTI/k8YuZmt+vUuOwbUTfa3CT/Aj6Z4Y5zH/qWzskz5nkT7M1GLafg== X-Received: by 10.159.48.135 with SMTP id j7mr3286527uab.171.1475195866007; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:37:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.139.130 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:37:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Clone a FBSD system with something in the likes of ghost To: Warren Block Cc: Robert Huff , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:37:47 -0000 On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Warren Block wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Robert Huff wrote: > >> On 9/28/2016 10:43 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >>> I have a beautiful running server (dozens of jails and intricate >>> configuration) on a single small and aging hard drive. I bought 2 new h= ard >>> drives and want to migrate to a ZFS mirror. >>> >>> Pardon my ignorance but would there be a way to just copy my system fro= m >>> the old drive to the new ZFS array? >>> >>> I was thinking of something like this: 1) install the two new drives in= the >>> server and boot with old drive via an USB enclosure. 2) Create a bootea= ble >>> ZFS array and somehow copy an identical image of my current system onto= the >>> array. >>> >>> Am I dreaming or are there actual ways of doing this? I really don't wa= nt >>> to re-install and configure everything. Just want to move an identical = copy >>> of my system to the new hard drives on a ZFS mirror. >> >> >> The canonical - and correct - method involves dump piped to rest= ore; there may be an example in the Handbook. > > > I have not tried it, but I think restore(8) should work when writing to a= ZFS system. > > So dump(8) on the original UFS piped to restore(8) on ZFS, presumably in = a dataset or multiple datasets. > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html > > After it is on ZFS, dump(8) cannot be used, but zfs send and zfs recv are= similar. Or rsync, or tar, or clonehd, or other things. The options with= them are the trick. It takes a lot to get rsync to make a serious copy of= a non-trivial filesystem with links and flags. Thanks for your suggestions! I will look into dump and restore. Thanks again! Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 06:00:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96429C036AD for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd_atog@comcast.net) Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Organization Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682A3EA2 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd_atog@comcast.net) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id pqs4biycZRingpqs9b91nn; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:00:37 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1475215237; bh=kn5oIBA58adFPDPQ6BsK1tKUngFTZQGx87IkLRpEpe0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jUBaoHa8h7Kp0NqLy1cXKxMAIjQVwprKjcH/46Zwg+Gd2oDSfvQbiOiqGVoOIFu5I exU+CUgaFkqPkckmXs5nRbLuZLNdMVWMx/YIc9RY/p86YkiiM9FYsOv6LeJwzsXIRe ArnYcbkl084lIMsYNsN8craVin3mu5Nf0uu28bQmaESt1R4SEzJlr0NGnubgE2nIa2 c6JFGxlx2FCN4kE0mMEhED2MkGs2wM7WAeeK1hBKtCFemT71bsXIMqdXW/8VeEijr+ wEN8aJ7Dx1RnwLGkFQe4CJrwe4oZVkKehIUetkx7KVaQpc3CioGUlDAaoyOFlRgoyt HcVFn5fWJWsHg== Received: from KoggyBSD.org ([68.60.93.182]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id pqs8bLe1CC8LHpqs9bdH0O; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:00:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 01:53:55 -0400 From: Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaning FreeBSD Message-ID: <20160930015355.22ccbc51@KoggyBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <2e0cf20a-b3a9-6eb9-d4ba-adc2d18f079d@fastmail.com> References: <2e0cf20a-b3a9-6eb9-d4ba-adc2d18f079d@fastmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; i386-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBP9Ygi83XU8rLm0pElUEAaBA6D8MmoEAm7LUr39hIilqQpJjEp6l/rP8mdE8AxmO9DSK/WFNamnYyCbm8cgSbXYZryKK5U2GZx+Bv2MtrI7pO9HvDAy OYX+8IewFUp4/ywS/NJSDLPB67ZPxOoTeSsoSFUHUXsJ+492JcPqdM2oQkh9b6qnd1uLqwnpBbH+/w== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:00:39 -0000 On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:39:22 -0700 "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > You need networking up and your DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf. >=20 > Try 'ping pkg.freebsd.org'. If that doesn't work, then fetching > packages will certainly not work. > Also, it appears that you were not running as root. You need to run > root to install software. >=20 > Regards, > Jason C. Wells >=20 >=20 > On 9/23/2016 1:34 PM, Doug wrote: > > in =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D, press enter key and that returns: > > Bootstrapping pkg Sorry for bottom posting but I'm having hardware issues and I wanted to pop in for a second; I looked at the OP (Original Post / Poster since you're new and may actually have a life ;) ) and I saw something about them saying that changing to root said denied, and I'm curious what was meant by it. Did you have problems changing to root? Or did you get the same error AS root? if I'm logged in to my regular account, similar to this: gore@MyMachineWithSomeInfo> Which may not look the same because I personally like Zsh, which is my default for almost every account on my machine because I like it (The setup tool that runs when you first use it is not only easy to use, it's easy to set up, and it has a lot of features, and, in general, I use Zsh no matter what OS I'm currently using because it works on Linux just as well, and my Slackware and Debian and SuSE and other Linux distros I use all have it.... Sorry didn't mean to make an Ad for Zsh but I really like that it can do the same stuff as Bash without me being forced to give credit to MIT instead of Berkeley lol) Anyway, depending on your Unix based ability, this is what I do: gore@ZshAndBSDZealot:> su Enter Root Password......Done.... And Now I'm root, and can do whatever I like.=20 When I first started using Non-Windows OSs, one of the things that used to piss me off pretty well, was getting used to the idea that the hardware companies that had made most of my parts, never thought I'd ever actually need REAL Hardware, that doesn't use my CPU. My Modem, Sound Card..... All of it wouldn't work unless I was using Windows....And not just any version, but the Windows 98SE with the drivers on the CD version my box came with, and at the time I had Dial Up, so until I got a High speed connection using a NIC (Network Card for those of you with lives ;) ) I basically could boot any of the OSs I had installed, but Sound, Internet, and even Video that wasn't choppy and lagging, were not options for me until I went and bought actual Hardware.=20 =46rom what I saw in the OP, it looked like they weren't online, so if you're trying to learn FreeBSD, first, take a Breath, relax for a moment, and check that your hardware is all working as expected, and make sure that whatever connection you've got to the net, is working under BSD, and if you are online, that's good, but then you just need to check that you're root, and that everything is working there. If not, then you have either HOURS of Google ahead, or, a new Hardware Purchase to consider. I went with both; I Googled Hardware that worked under more than just Windows, and more than just Linux. For me personally, I'm considering a Company that specializes in BSD because right now, I don't even use my Linux installs anymore, I've been using nothing but FreeBSD for MONTHS. Anyway, I clearly remember my problems with getting used to OSs I hadn't used before, and I saw the post and wanted to try to help, and from the OP, there seemed to be a few things that could be the issue. Don't let it bother you though; FreeBSD is one of the ONLY OSs that really will do exactly what you tell it to do and nothing more. So don't get discouraged and Hopefully you get through the initial learning curve without frustration. -Allen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 08:32:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6586C02C73 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 691389A2 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-151-121.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.151.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B54B3CF12; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:22:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u8U8MtOl002061; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:22:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:22:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Allen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaning FreeBSD Message-Id: <20160930102255.ab6ae606.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20160930015355.22ccbc51@KoggyBSD.org> References: <2e0cf20a-b3a9-6eb9-d4ba-adc2d18f079d@fastmail.com> <20160930015355.22ccbc51@KoggyBSD.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:32:44 -0000 On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 01:53:55 -0400, Allen wrote: > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:39:22 -0700 > "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > > > You need networking up and your DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf. > > > > Try 'ping pkg.freebsd.org'. If that doesn't work, then fetching > > packages will certainly not work. > > > Also, it appears that you were not running as root. You need to run > > root to install software. > > > > Regards, > > Jason C. Wells > > > > > > On 9/23/2016 1:34 PM, Doug wrote: > > > in “y”, press enter key and that returns: > > > Bootstrapping pkg > > Sorry for bottom posting [...] Why "sorry"? It's the preferred method of replying. See: Yes. Are you sure? Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Why is top posting frowned upon? So nothing wrong here. ;-) > [...] but I'm having hardware issues and I wanted to > pop in for a second; I looked at the OP (Original Post / Poster since > you're new and may actually have a life ;) ) and I saw something about > them saying that changing to root said denied, and I'm curious what was > meant by it. There are, in general, two ways to perform operations as root: The first way is the most obvious one: login as root. This may be a (valid!) problem over SSH, but should work without problems on a freshly installed system. The second way is to use commands like "su" (supplied by the OS), or "sudo" and "super" (additional ports that can be installed). Those tools require certain permissions to be prepared, like the user being part of the "wheel" group (for "su"), or the presence of properly edited configuration files. > Did you have problems changing to root? Or did you get the same error > AS root? > > if I'm logged in to my regular account, similar to this: > > gore@MyMachineWithSomeInfo> > > Which may not look the same because I personally like Zsh, which is my > default for almost every account on my machine because I like it (The > setup tool that runs when you first use it is not only easy to use, > it's easy to set up, and it has a lot of features, and, in general, I > use Zsh no matter what OS I'm currently using because it works on Linux > just as well, and my Slackware and Debian and SuSE and other Linux > distros I use all have it.... On the default FreeBSD installation, the C shell (csh, actually tcsh) is the default dialog shell with the user prompt ending in "%", and the root prompt ending in "#", usually stating the user name as well: bob@sysname:~/maybe/some/path% _ and root@sysname:/# _ This approach makes is quite easy to recognize which "level of power" is currently being granted, even on displays that do not support color (the usual "red root shell"). > Sorry didn't mean to make an Ad for Zsh > but I really like that it can do the same stuff as Bash without me > being forced to give credit to MIT instead of Berkeley lol) The Z shell is a _very_ comfortable and versatile shell, and some people even say it's the ultimate shell because it combines the advantages of all the other shells, without neccessarily incorporating their bad habits. :-) > Anyway, > depending on your Unix based ability, this is what I do: > > gore@ZshAndBSDZealot:> su > Enter Root Password......Done.... > And Now I'm root, and can do whatever I like. This requires that your user name is listed in the group "wheel", found in /etc/groups. This entry can be added manually by root, or with the "pw" command (see "man pw" for details). > When I first started using Non-Windows OSs, one of the things that used > to piss me off pretty well, was getting used to the idea that the > hardware companies that had made most of my parts, never thought I'd > ever actually need REAL Hardware, that doesn't use my CPU. My Modem, > Sound Card..... All of it wouldn't work unless I was using > Windows.... Today it's often the opposite: "Your stuff is too old - go and buy new stuff and we _might_ have a driver for you!" ;-) > And not just any version, but the Windows 98SE with the > drivers on the CD version my box came with, and at the time I had Dial > Up, so until I got a High speed connection using a NIC (Network Card > for those of you with lives ;) ) "Network _Interface_ Card", said the terminology nutsee. ;-) > From what I saw in the OP, it looked like they weren't online, so if > you're trying to learn FreeBSD, first, take a Breath, relax for a > moment, and check that your hardware is all working as expected, and > make sure that whatever connection you've got to the net, is working > under BSD, and if you are online, that's good, but then you just need > to check that you're root, and that everything is working there. The usual steps for checking your online connectivity include: 1. "ifconfig -a": Did I get an IP from my router/switch/modem? 2. "ping -c 3 8.8.8.8": Can I reach something on the Internet? 3: "fetch www.google.com": Does name resolution work? If all three tests are successful, it's likely that you can now install things with "pkg install ". > I went with both; I Googled Hardware that worked under more than just > Windows, and more than just Linux. For me personally, I'm considering a > Company that specializes in BSD because right now, I don't even use my > Linux installs anymore, I've been using nothing but FreeBSD for MONTHS. If you can, a good approach is "first think, then buy", but I know that this is not always a possible option... > Anyway, I clearly remember my problems with getting used to OSs I > hadn't used before, and I saw the post and wanted to try to help, and > from the OP, there seemed to be a few things that could be the issue. Yes, it looked like a connection issue at first sight. > Don't let it bother you though; FreeBSD is one of the ONLY OSs that > really will do exactly what you tell it to do and nothing more. So > don't get discouraged and Hopefully you get through the initial > learning curve without frustration. As all operating systems, there is a learning curve (and it does not make sense to deny this fact); however, what you _gain_ from mastering those first steps is really incredible. Unlike certain other systems, the power is yours, you are in control, in charge. Today, that is a _real_ advantage. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 07:28:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA9AC031DB for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 07:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D40D302 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 07:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=7VgnRiMdmAiuvw94eqJkYpom+qttpfeSkPQohJ97dGI=; b=I/BX1ZhUKHp0Bes+iUx/D5mUkp B/rwQqxkbX+f/pKQOnT1eb7gt8kr+oPYBfWsRr5hbreomtvbvqZeXuSLp0gxtmwt7NtCk1Ccgf9IW KuB6UuM/piO1zORYngUP51GB4J2+Z0S04zqkIaWLXhSDcTPINyoBbf4JRrkX6LhcjZWE=; Received: from subs08-103-10-67-169.three.co.id ([103.10.67.169]:30269 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bpsFM-0034U3-2G; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 01:28:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:28:31 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Chris Stankevitz Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Using GPT labels in rc.conf's geli_devices and geli_flags Message-ID: <20160930152831.0c563e16@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:55:15 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 07:28:47 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:05:53 -0700 Chris Stankevitz wrote: > A2: geli_/dev/gpt/ABCD_flags="-k /root/ABCD.key" (I'm sure this is > wrong) what didn't I get? You encrypt but leave the keys on the machine? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 12:24:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D4AC00911 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADD1F97 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id z126so102189889vkd.0 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 05:24:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WjvYyKKXt+Haad5hOqz2snt8kj5IOjsJ4nqNSCgKL40=; b=Pt4b0DlLxziBXlVmsjiMLVCmXeVNhEuavUq+xmOia7Xdep4VyaDQ4T7r4bJ2w+d14x AjUPMEFTY3w0Z3kKUpE6Tdfmafs73nDrjXd2N/yikbOAC2/wQZRAL5GrdeRdgobruVuj LNZh0ZI7jDjlTkFojIhubn5M1Gn2bgvcQ0vQ0jc+aEHFVKk5BgUgE07g2n5PtFN6JW2z XG2NzJscb5sL/mg/tXCKva8z8DCXxX8/lcp9SaPPkA1X3XDx/ATY7fLbMaIxPDK0jVWJ /OTZRDQdcg2WlD/AqXwaAYuYhC3YlAKQslHli5JGC20wYrxtrAzHvd1heGIl1NP1gcFb FYTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WjvYyKKXt+Haad5hOqz2snt8kj5IOjsJ4nqNSCgKL40=; b=Z3nG8ajyADAibVHBM1NUqUZW7Cp0zowJdVIRs3+7YOFrYKrVVvPo3x0uHwhVRNA8l7 gtBjmCDCz/9urNdl5YyYid6lv9YzZR9PhOyyDMvhHejWY7bUakKuzAd7s7POS0O1QkRu 9BIsNq1nofJ/7AmSrV9uYZpZplj/Q0U2OU3wO9mo6dufZ73/P33ivo8ebf8l5uwnjaH/ 2XUJmDnm/DOJuJPM/5lYua+OltF6ptfsHW8vkETwwUPZ+fDQO/0fQ13TSoPStTxHAL2m c5gAW7uwzz992k6WVyykesepI2mFUXBS45RF4oH/hHv6lhZxbXQwQOSzRnJ9YOG+xdCM eM9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rn6KZz/veIsJpEEPFzTysvkurRhWQrMc+VBZvjr1nMp1dar6mA78zm0qdQ2whdilILVbubME5Ncw2L65g== X-Received: by 10.31.131.211 with SMTP id f202mr5171986vkd.7.1475238242508; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 05:24:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.77.20 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 05:24:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> From: David Demelier Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:24:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cvs To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:24:04 -0000 2016-09-29 14:57 GMT+02:00 Warren Block : > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: > >>> p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current >>> edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >>> >>> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ >> >> >> Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the >> middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about this >> years ago. > > > Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The book on it is on the same > site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ > Well, subversion is the IE6 of version control. It's even worse than cvs. I really encourage people to leave cvs to a DVCS such as Mercurial or git. There are other nice DVCS tools less popular though: fossil, darcs. 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[52.206.110.60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e2sm10106135qte.43.2016.09.30.06.46.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E2=80=A2=E2=80=BF=E2=80=A2=29__Dh?= =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=A9nin_Jean-Jacques?=" To: David Demelier Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:46:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mixmax-Message-Id: DtBrW76olaV8ApkCX Delivered-To: rsm@mixmax.com X-Mailer: Mixmax (mixmax.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:46:57 -0000 On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 2:24 PM, David Demelier demelier.david@gmail.com wrote: 2016-09-29 14:57 GMT+02:00 Warren Block : > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: > >>> p.s. I learned CVS from = an earlier version of this book. The current >>> edition (3 e.) is = available as a PDF download: >>> >>> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ >> >> >> Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the >> middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about = this >> years ago. > > > Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The= book on it is on the same > site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ > Well, subversion is the IE6 of version controlindeed ? https://subversion.apache.org/ -------------------------------------------= -------------- (V)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dh=C3=A9nin Jean-Jacques ( ..)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48, rue de la Justice 78300 Poissy c(')(')=C2=A0 dhenin@gmail.com --------------------------------------------= ------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 13:48:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAC9C024A0 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oceanview.tundraware.com", Issuer "oceanview.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B48F2AF8 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u8UDm06w062145 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:48:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Tim Daneliuk Subject: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:47:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:48:01 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: u8UDm06w062145 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:48:32 -0000 Is it possible to control *which* DNS server (and port) a userland program queries for DNS resolution when doing gethosbyname() and gethostbyip() calls? dig and nslookup seem capable of defining the DNS server to query, but I don't know if they're doing the call directly or via the gethostby... calls. In a perfect world, I'd get a solution to this that was language agnostic - a way to tell my userland programs - in C, Java, Python, perl, go ... always use this server:port when doing name resolution. TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 14:15:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6004C03016 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A06C310 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8458E57D1 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/8458E57D1; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <12a5cae8-8aa1-68a1-5130-a6813c07c972@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:15:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7kwUWgPfhV0ov6NUpRpVhgn31sJOVL6DM" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:15:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7kwUWgPfhV0ov6NUpRpVhgn31sJOVL6DM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cDgsL2QcrhpCCseSGkvEX921DvxmUjX7f"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <12a5cae8-8aa1-68a1-5130-a6813c07c972@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() References: In-Reply-To: --cDgsL2QcrhpCCseSGkvEX921DvxmUjX7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/30/16 14:47, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > Is it possible to control *which* DNS server (and port) a userland prog= ram > queries for DNS resolution when doing gethosbyname() and gethostbyip() > calls? dig and nslookup seem capable of defining the DNS server to que= ry, > but I don't know if they're doing the call directly or via the gethostb= y... > calls. >=20 > In a perfect world, I'd get a solution to this that was language agnost= ic - > a way to tell my userland programs - in C, Java, Python, perl, go ...=20 > always use this server:port when doing name resolution. Server, yes but not port, and only globally -- by editing /etc/resolv.con= f However, if you're running with the standard local_unbound enabled, then you can specify a forward-addr including a port in /var/unbound/forward.conf like so: forward-addr: 192.0.2.1@1053 Note: this is an all or nothing solution, although it does fulfil your criterion of being language agnostic. Every application will get directed to your alternative DNS server+port, not just some chosen one. You can override the resolvers per application if you're willing to code that per application. Of course the API used is language specific, and you can't use gethostbyname(3) and that ilk, (which can do lookups from many sources other than the DNS) but only by doing DNS lookups directly from your code. 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dig and nslookup seem capable of defining the DNS server to qu= ery, >> but I don't know if they're doing the call directly or via the gethost= by... >> calls. >> >> In a perfect world, I'd get a solution to this that was language agnos= tic - >> a way to tell my userland programs - in C, Java, Python, perl, go ... = >> always use this server:port when doing name resolution. >=20 > Server, yes but not port, and only globally -- by editing /etc/resolv.c= onf >=20 > However, if you're running with the standard local_unbound enabled, the= n > you can specify a forward-addr including a port in > /var/unbound/forward.conf like so: >=20 > forward-addr: 192.0.2.1@1053 >=20 > Note: this is an all or nothing solution, although it does fulfil your > criterion of being language agnostic. Every application will get > directed to your alternative DNS server+port, not just some chosen one.= >=20 > You can override the resolvers per application if you're willing to cod= e > that per application. Of course the API used is language specific, and= > you can't use gethostbyname(3) and that ilk, (which can do lookups from= > many sources other than the DNS) but only by doing DNS lookups directly= > from your code. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 >=20 >=20 Thanks Matthew, that's kind of what I figured. The fundamental requireme= nt for my use case is that all the config changes be do-able without root or sudo access. It's sounds like this is not possible short of - as you point out - writing custom query code. This breaks the other half of my use case - existing code should just run and use the newly selected resolver. Sigh ... I suspect more people are going to run into this as the industry moves mo= re and more to containerized microservices. There are any number of scenari= os where you want to be able to spin up custom compute topologies on-demand without having to go through the administrative overhead of getting a DNS= admin to make your changes every time. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ --180VsPbQtE3BkUHB5ATts1n8dEFVj0eOW-- --Bubiw35IukP8QU4vw9txo0KkGJiVFTtth Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX7nS8AAoJEMLZ2alfelsnbDoP/1+ji/qwOfdnGuGUvJ2P+CV9 2fcV/0125p4VTf8KHVPkbM/2elCGQPba5fM7/MlC4nlCtsssk+WfpjEbkWirA25M fs+B2Hg5BVvKcgAV4ehGVny3ggmsqrTBwN9WKRHrLroQLL+0xa1g1+UaLR2ee6Ov YpLNRLK0Mk7pIajg95vT7kNKTS4nuHyXdbLTaMCJ6+KJ5yuVTG7yAM+fLvf8WwNd mELZYr++krV6JhD/fRvOyjnWhoz4XAy1P9r4Uww9lgyaJnLVkn/Eim/UKFPJcZcY xvWl0LUWW49EEjKIx0u53CpjP3uQmiNaaWILr4BvlOlVPkzZ5vFzCCxqRSvTuVj6 q/qly/bXmF0PPHB9bYhD8zfutWhEDYxbvH5AF/9PqdNGrXAoYNCZcgIoBeNfk8nr w+G+VTgI4o15faM9XLBdCimyAK/8O/pYKiaS+auFRE1AQYz6/tWReosaGGaikasE YtPep38vkC6g22d+tx7nxevJsoIUPel2A8NoAvMCPcA6om/gWmPH4QMKPdibjcnP 4ub5OTRwxWzRNJqsFGVhIFTdsOQHo8E4ZR7iVfQST7UNTme9D2oeTWh5hib/Bvia 9af/l0XAihG7ax/i/uVugnnR+79sjBLeiuRXqYvFiMlPBnjpjL432vBeV1ryvA8r KUOeNJwTqfpdySRAuEWo =SjPb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bubiw35IukP8QU4vw9txo0KkGJiVFTtth-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 14:38:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A36DC038C8 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DBCE368 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 718A75802; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/718A75802; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() To: Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <12a5cae8-8aa1-68a1-5130-a6813c07c972@freebsd.org> <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:38:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BpuR2CbcLDKrDmins2scXDBwkaT7FNHGu" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:38:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --BpuR2CbcLDKrDmins2scXDBwkaT7FNHGu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="S5Tv0TacGRk5EmE9MhjmMoFN6TCe3WEGR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() References: <12a5cae8-8aa1-68a1-5130-a6813c07c972@freebsd.org> <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> --S5Tv0TacGRk5EmE9MhjmMoFN6TCe3WEGR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016/09/30 15:20, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > Thanks Matthew, that's kind of what I figured. The fundamental require= ment > for my use case is that all the config changes be do-able without root > or sudo access. It's sounds like this is not possible short of - as yo= u > point out - writing custom query code. This breaks the other half of > my use case - existing code should just run and use the newly selected > resolver. Sigh ... You generally can't change the configuration of a server at this level without root level access. Even if you had write access to /var/unbound/forward.conf, you'ld need also need root level access in order to signal the unbound process to re-read its config. This is a job for sudo(8) -- if not, then you're going to have to explain to your management that whatever they want investigated will take very much longer than it needs to, since you'll be spending a large amount of time waiting for some sysadmin to make these changes on your behalf. Cheers, Matthew --S5Tv0TacGRk5EmE9MhjmMoFN6TCe3WEGR-- --BpuR2CbcLDKrDmins2scXDBwkaT7FNHGu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJX7njwXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnOA0P/1iXYhxtXu46fsvBtBTmfBtG 5QCJVLPNRLF8kbwtgl4WasAVJIM2COj0Xd6xxJJNq0o2gT8owtHPpcp9NbuRX345 ANAhNt+s0JlaxhNzXJHk4HXdOoNh1yE18LcO7CqtOFM16zed/iVWec8GDWhCigGb XWuTlEdF2sqOc/w4hpyqeZIujczqnBv2CgxD3AnKVfLr3He0e8TO+pkuo3f8mplG +Lw71lEQFv/u6SLVITMymEl0z3H39PGIr4bdkElX/qJTsFsfyNMIsQW1w7me7rvC HFWPprDbyCDK88X3Sztoemz2ldgC8hjBhpTQG+sl46czPqPvi3wPrNbmLJtgdBG4 tNpfHb3Sk+u6kgl8mAB1fOpFABfhbY/rnEjCAypU6GU/vRZTh1qG6r63xZDvgD1g rXVRJtyzH/MPdRJfbgOYLS4h3Ty6bsVDjesrxdJSFgAhq8FaBQXGjXZ4NLc6aLl2 UrVZmDd3NgNbs0ElTMdlvkWCSgSphHGKPXslIbiXn8JU31SN7tryo/iOBBwN0lbp Q57w05NNma2pK13WerakaPnF3T6E+MCqfXl1wHzlPnQuyxGyQ5IOLyoYJMLYfcq5 DlYZ5D1i5Cnjs3UGkmBDqc4OctxTrikSUBFgiL+2eqpL11fVdfKYdQyUy+5qv/0h 5Uk1WwoQNamhqPG47wDX =Kls7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BpuR2CbcLDKrDmins2scXDBwkaT7FNHGu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 15:02:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CD2C024C5 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E711D160F for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (ip70-185-178-207.sb.sd.cox.net [70.185.178.207]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5EE763C299; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:02:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <20160930152831.0c563e16@X220.alogt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <20160930152831.0c563e16@X220.alogt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <321975DB-DF21-4C6F-ABC0-F229EC5F2449@stankevitz.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) From: Chris Stankevitz Subject: Re: Using GPT labels in rc.conf's geli_devices and geli_flags Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:02:14 -0700 To: Erich Dollansky X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:02:47 -0000 On Sep 30, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Erich Dollansky w= rote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:05:53 -0700 > Chris Stankevitz wrote: >=20 >> A2: geli_/dev/gpt/ABCD_flags=3D"-k /root/ABCD.key" (I'm sure this is >> wrong) >=20 > what didn't I get? You encrypt but leave the keys on the machine? Erich, I should have been more clear: I question what should the rc.conf variable n= ame should be. Certainly I cannot put forward slashes in a variable name as= I did in A2: geli_/dev/gpt/ABCD_flags=3D Chris= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 15:04:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A911C025AD for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Received: from barracuda.ssimicro.com (barracuda.ssimicro.com [96.46.39.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A36D174A for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by barracuda.ssimicro.com with ESMTP id QVmLlOlwqH18hsi4 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markham.ssimicro.com (markham.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u8UEkmTN022247 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:46:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Subject: Re: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() To: Tim Daneliuk , Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <12a5cae8-8aa1-68a1-5130-a6813c07c972@freebsd.org> <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> From: markham breitbach Message-ID: <2500486a-6434-4b41-5cb4-bb729904399c@ssimicro.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:48:21 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5hqLBohSD77RCDOSJKX6xiOvCHL5NTWUj" X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at ssimicro.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:04:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5hqLBohSD77RCDOSJKX6xiOvCHL5NTWUj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="jOk4qAPG5UmjhVJkwvVPXNWrj4gvd8ILp"; protected-headers="v1" From: markham breitbach To: Tim Daneliuk , Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2500486a-6434-4b41-5cb4-bb729904399c@ssimicro.com> Subject: Re: [Mildly OT] Userland Control Of getbostbyname() References: <12a5cae8-8aa1-68a1-5130-a6813c07c972@freebsd.org> <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <089e1154-317f-6462-095b-35403ba944b0@tundraware.com> --jOk4qAPG5UmjhVJkwvVPXNWrj4gvd8ILp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could use jails to do this. It's a lot of work, but possible. I did a project where we essentially used jails to create app containers.=20 I think we had them down around 40-50MB depending on the application.=20 Whatever applications are in that jail have access to their own nameservices, etc. and you can tune the permissions within the jail to allow that application's manager to modify resolv.conf, etc.=20 We also had a case where we used nullfs mounts to link to a common "basejail" (ezjail does this now too). This is useful in a case where you have many similar jails, as they can all be quickly updated and you only need to have one copy of the common files. Also adds a layer of security as the base system is all read-only. -Markham On 2016-09-30 8:20 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 09/30/2016 09:15 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 09/30/16 14:47, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >>> Is it possible to control *which* DNS server (and port) a userland pr= ogram >>> queries for DNS resolution when doing gethosbyname() and gethostbyip(= ) >>> calls? dig and nslookup seem capable of defining the DNS server to q= uery, >>> but I don't know if they're doing the call directly or via the gethos= tby... >>> calls. >>> >>> In a perfect world, I'd get a solution to this that was language agno= stic - >>> a way to tell my userland programs - in C, Java, Python, perl, go ...= =20 >>> always use this server:port when doing name resolution. >> Server, yes but not port, and only globally -- by editing /etc/resolv.= conf >> >> However, if you're running with the standard local_unbound enabled, th= en >> you can specify a forward-addr including a port in >> /var/unbound/forward.conf like so: >> >> forward-addr: 192.0.2.1@1053 >> >> Note: this is an all or nothing solution, although it does fulfil your= >> criterion of being language agnostic. Every application will get >> directed to your alternative DNS server+port, not just some chosen one= =2E >> >> You can override the resolvers per application if you're willing to co= de >> that per application. Of course the API used is language specific, an= d >> you can't use gethostbyname(3) and that ilk, (which can do lookups fro= m >> many sources other than the DNS) but only by doing DNS lookups directl= y >> from your code. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew >> >> >> > Thanks Matthew, that's kind of what I figured. The fundamental require= ment > for my use case is that all the config changes be do-able without root > or sudo access. It's sounds like this is not possible short of - as yo= u > point out - writing custom query code. This breaks the other half of > my use case - existing code should just run and use the newly selected > resolver. Sigh ... > > I suspect more people are going to run into this as the industry moves = more > and more to containerized microservices. There are any number of scena= rios > where you want to be able to spin up custom compute topologies on-deman= d > without having to go through the administrative overhead of getting a D= NS > admin to make your changes every time. > --jOk4qAPG5UmjhVJkwvVPXNWrj4gvd8ILp-- --5hqLBohSD77RCDOSJKX6xiOvCHL5NTWUj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlfue0EACgkQKQ+fauj+jf7ugACgg/Ld3gHM11LPh9mP0Mf70D3p 53cAoIUNWaOihfK6llda/Rb3k3/T7y0X =Ihkx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5hqLBohSD77RCDOSJKX6xiOvCHL5NTWUj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 16:42:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15E4C03999 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E988F3 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from Chriss-MacBook-Pro.local (209-203-101-124.static.twtelecom.net [209.203.101.124]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A6223C2AC for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Using GPT labels in rc.conf's geli_devices and geli_flags To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160930152831.0c563e16@X220.alogt.com> <321975DB-DF21-4C6F-ABC0-F229EC5F2449@stankevitz.com> From: Chris Stankevitz Message-ID: <68edf59e-743b-24fb-76b7-eeeedf08023e@stankevitz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:42:52 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <321975DB-DF21-4C6F-ABC0-F229EC5F2449@stankevitz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:42:54 -0000 On 9/30/16 8:02 AM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: I should have been more clear: I question what should the rc.conf variable name should be. Certainly I cannot put forward slashes in a variable name as I did in A2: > > geli_/dev/gpt/ABCD_flags= > From /etc/rc.d/geli: provider_=`ltr ${provider} '/-' '_'` eval "flags=\${geli_${provider_}_flags}" So it looks like I should be using: geli__dev_gpt_ABCD_flags="-k /root/ABCD.key" ALthough From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 16:58:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C795C03D73 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C0DFE9A for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8UGwar0062134 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:58:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u8UGwafe062131; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:58:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:58:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: David Demelier cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:58:36 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:58:45 -0000 On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, David Demelier wrote: > 2016-09-29 14:57 GMT+02:00 Warren Block : >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: >> >>>> p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current >>>> edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >>>> >>>> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the >>> middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about this >>> years ago. >> >> >> Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The book on it is on the same >> site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >> > > Well, subversion is the IE6 of version control. It's even worse than > cvs. I really encourage people to leave cvs to a DVCS such as > Mercurial or git. There are other nice DVCS tools less popular though: > fossil, darcs. But everything else than subversion. Huh. To me Subversion is a model of clarity, while Git is what you get by taking a version control system and replacing the commands with random words. Or maybe just switching all the commands, so they do not do what the word means. But this is probably not relevant, since the OP said they wanted to continue to use CVS. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 17:11:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E41C03279 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:11:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E4517F2 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id C9F8BCB8C99; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:10:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:10:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45229.128.135.52.6.1475255454.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:10:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: cvs From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Warren Block" Cc: "David Demelier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:11:02 -0000 On Fri, September 30, 2016 11:58 am, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, David Demelier wrote: > >> 2016-09-29 14:57 GMT+02:00 Warren Block : >>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Doug Hardie wrote: >>> >>>>> p.s. I learned CVS from an earlier version of this book. The current >>>>> edition (3 e.) is available as a PDF download: >>>>> >>>>> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for the detailed response. It makes sense now. I am in the >>>> middle of working my way through that book. I should have asked about >>>> this >>>> years ago. >>> >>> >>> Subversion is the modern successor to CVS. The book on it is on the >>> same >>> site: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >>> >> >> Well, subversion is the IE6 of version control. It's even worse than >> cvs. I really encourage people to leave cvs to a DVCS such as >> Mercurial or git. There are other nice DVCS tools less popular though: >> fossil, darcs. But everything else than subversion. > > Huh. To me Subversion is a model of clarity, while Git is what you get > by taking a version control system and replacing the commands with > random words. Or maybe just switching all the commands, so they do not > do what the word means. > > But this is probably not relevant, since the OP said they wanted to > continue to use CVS. Fully agree. CVS doesn't develop anything new for long time, as they have developed all necessary, and it does brilliant job as it is. Which I love. Subversion does the same great job and allows to please GUI people to some extent (by making it accessible through apache/dav/svn). Keeps me happy too as I have all decently same commands that make sense for me. But some people grew up as GUI smart kids (smarter that I am at least), and as they do brilliant coding we all use and appreciate, I would prefer to abstain from showing any opinion about tools they love ;-) There are many things serving the same purpose, and... tastes differ. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 19:23:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969EFC031FE for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E13FE3 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from Chriss-MacBook-Pro.local (209-203-101-124.static.twtelecom.net [209.203.101.124]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A76EC3C2CA for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Using GPT labels in rc.conf's geli_devices and geli_flags To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160930152831.0c563e16@X220.alogt.com> <321975DB-DF21-4C6F-ABC0-F229EC5F2449@stankevitz.com> <68edf59e-743b-24fb-76b7-eeeedf08023e@stankevitz.com> From: Chris Stankevitz Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:23:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <68edf59e-743b-24fb-76b7-eeeedf08023e@stankevitz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:23:26 -0000 On 9/30/16 9:42 AM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > So it looks like I should be using: > > geli__dev_gpt_ABCD_flags="-k /root/ABCD.key" Turns out I am supposed to drop the "/dev/" part and just: geli_gpt_ABCD_flags="-k /root/ABCD.key" Although I'm not sure the mechanism by which that "shortcut" is required. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 30 19:49:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AABCC03B8A for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [88.198.212.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 406606E1 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:49:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from [192.168.0.144] (c-24-60-168-172.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [24.60.168.172]) (Authenticated sender: citrin@citrin.ru) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 429D92870B1 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: cvs To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: <0c1654bc-5398-3a88-556d-ce90e761cb44@citrin.ru> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:49:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1475264964; bh=/cudidMHCrFcFMBLfKZuF6mjXo1AIoIWGw6R7vMqUCc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o1tfYBA8cci8bjRianfZX6T5kRjpf40UJhf2taWkxtSM3zdjeDO+AX02C1gSjMQAaZJZVfQxLgFpEn0zMSCE0PK0/6XCQFtSk/20JQRVBjVE/zszYmG0xSuYBMcjdogk6ew5aLMKF1zkQpVIdChrVfRXFMCLZv6bJGWDeQ79Vsk= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:49:28 -0000 On 2016-09-29 15:31, Doug Hardie wrote: > I looked through that. Subversion is a more complicated system. There is only one developer (me) so I don't really want to make this into more than I need. I case of single developer it is more easy to use git or mercurial. Subversion is better suited for corporate environment (or for opensource projects with centralized development model). I prefer Mercurial because it simpler to use (thought not as feature rich as git). Just run $ hg init in local directory and you already can start to work with local repo. 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The only problem with the > solution is that I create the second pool on /dev/vtbd2p3, but when > the new system boots, there is no /dev/vtbd2 (naturally) and the pool > uses /dev/diskid/DISK-BHYVE-8054-2C08-770Ap3 for the physical device, > burying all /dev/vtbd0p* devices. Maybe the solution is using ZFS on whole disk, without GPT partitions, with zfsboot(8) and ZFS volumes for swap? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 07:52:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E94C0599A for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 07:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B84481B1 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 07:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-151-121.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.151.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39E383CE39; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:52:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u917qmJl001997; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:52:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:52:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Yuzhaninov Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: cvs Message-Id: <20161001095248.8d468656.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0c1654bc-5398-3a88-556d-ce90e761cb44@citrin.ru> References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> <0c1654bc-5398-3a88-556d-ce90e761cb44@citrin.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 07:52:53 -0000 On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:49:12 -0400, Anton Yuzhaninov wrote: > On 2016-09-29 15:31, Doug Hardie wrote: > > I looked through that. Subversion is a more complicated system. > > There is only one developer (me) so I don't really want to make > > this into more than I need. > > I case of single developer it is more easy to use git or mercurial. Or keep using CVS if you do not need any of the more modern features and therefore see no reason to switch tools. > Subversion is better suited for corporate environment (or for opensource > projects with centralized development model). Subversion almost "works the same" as CVS, even though it adds a lot of features, so it's typically considered the "natural successor" of CVS. Git is often said to be "too different" and "surprising" in what its subcommands do. :-) > I prefer Mercurial because it simpler to use (thought not as feature > rich as git). > Just run > $ hg init > in local directory and you already can start to work with local repo. Guess what? You just run % cvs init to achieve the same goal with CVS. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 12:35:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42577C0574C for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 12:35:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp1.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C615144A for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 12:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bqJF4-00025w-Ct; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 13:18:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bqJFS-00047x-Kv; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 12:18:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:18:06 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: cvs Message-Id: <20161001131806.4b2ecccdf5771451319bcdbb@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20161001095248.8d468656.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> <17E1B6D8-4BC6-4698-8E5C-7EFF7CD7E31F@mail.sermon-archive.info> <1A870E64-1FD1-4B4F-BDD4-D104DA79D488@mail.sermon-archive.info> <0c1654bc-5398-3a88-556d-ce90e761cb44@citrin.ru> <20161001095248.8d468656.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 12:35:15 -0000 On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:52:48 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > Subversion almost "works the same" as CVS, even though it adds > a lot of features, so it's typically considered the "natural > successor" of CVS. Git is often said to be "too different" and > "surprising" in what its subcommands do. :-) Yep it took having to use it for me to grok git, once I did I've found it really rather good, but it is very different to CVS or SVN in approach and until you grok the way it works it is very confusing. One neat git trick - create a repository in the root of each machine you maintain, commit all changed config files to it and (here's the nice bit) clone all the repositories (ssh access) to safe storage (eg ZFS array) and run a cron job to keep the clones updated (git pull in each clone). Result painless version controlled, backed up config for all systems and jails with a local copy for mistakes and central copy for disasters. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 13:10:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C76C040BD for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71E7412B4 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id m79so82151829ioo.3 for ; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:10:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=997oxxqnJU48OFin03LlCFuiRBtTLQZlsml2y86PmlA=; b=jObgb4YS7XLifcdgEeND/kfLf7NiVztUAHCbjlac/giHGAjCIALi8pP1kKhY96L1O1 fQZj0FnR/uZlKUP3ldDkV/knY0mEXe1GczqqR0aXXbJIBJk0SLmc1M9hg6W9CJHF/1PG DmJbQNp3gt6TBbQZqA30H1G8pOtUTqzrXO08c/iHyZwy3nriLXjwsTbhBpjz20bs3oBP 7PQYnSQckKb/NAYiVI6vTNsYWvCmbKMPODiGY3sx0//AoC35GJH0Hl5rAOff3BfZQwPH fTxYRa2tYejIqIHCMo/WuZwtIxVyrdEZxvx6jGA2InpKgRAekFKtYC+cicPu1jTKv3r3 z9Xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=997oxxqnJU48OFin03LlCFuiRBtTLQZlsml2y86PmlA=; b=JdcEaMSAjyD0j8lW0OOGA8zRmm+s2PldOfA7fv2l9Dux82o9kcXxUrwnlyPx8WXpS9 AjohhHipMZtugPgvWAayn3wdgkT56VLo3g6nCkwmXwcfgioZhPyJS+8x21+y8rpXA8F2 5wPnoNPK13I/xvyeMb1BVMpKWo+zDgBCtq6NlAhLQohzBv1Sso/f9OXE2ozKnN1BjjTA Ds+EaCd/h7Btl0kDWTwfrfZ1J6aZHWkUKOiewbcwVDW7MNW8utGGyei0hvFPVmBvGl7W 7xjZnqkI/vJyS9MycZnXkbolZfSbwl5XoSIyayChr7yCv6w1JlR7/Y43NS4WdMYdEGL8 s53g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rns8Z4ZxKpUY7quSzcBkB/9D9qPbh8fgDGELbXJW2i0JG6cXiLp8WGqcFGVCtKANf4IFf9qxoPlIj0AVQ== X-Received: by 10.107.17.229 with SMTP id 98mr2080420ior.96.1475327438810; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:10:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.87.140 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 06:10:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> References: <6470061F-3127-4CD8-BB14-EB46D46B0BF1@mail.sermon-archive.info> <23c8bfcb-5112-accb-6607-3448104d5a0f@holgerdanske.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:10:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cvs To: David Christensen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 13:10:39 -0000 On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:38 PM, David Christensen < dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > > systems manage version numbers on sets of files (Git, Mercurial?). > Still others number both individual files and sets of files (MKS SI). > devel/aegis works on change sets and goes a step farther in forcing each change set to have a automated test that passes. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 13:28:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B11C0451C for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkenhorst.benjamin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E16B1E55 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkenhorst.benjamin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id b184so7296915wma.3 for ; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=5f6yAWFpEjKvi/KmtBNQM0hALbjOJXRnMclbAHRM30c=; b=vkM0zhAsj6ybCuAYAWPY7kLECrve3tG42forVxjIHLaNx6vKzWd2x4OkelrKees6A4 n4iGs7yDBCpuofmglBP+8GxDP5vpC+LNd/AuS+bW2jw9ijBovdOPEB1pFITCrV02Cu7M tXjuzNKVQbfivTvfT/vuPuKa8zbMlpEKm9L9eY5IvFqJWmv/rAnv5WAk8+wgIC/Dki9Z TiIsJD57FRIJUunMgO9BbeKfp/U1DrJnvcjObpqn1ZIuSJum1hwNAxShp7r7/2aMKZJk k0+StMU7m5K2WaPFdJYin8610O/QB+wRhlbUJpK8PkNDAzG3zGGqAMcUlyNrLzsNrCL8 nFDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=5f6yAWFpEjKvi/KmtBNQM0hALbjOJXRnMclbAHRM30c=; b=hTlNSZeUPISwM59MxT2abiLBnmmn1QSNcaPWK2X8XC/con+A2TfgD3ccXkCu3CciN2 1oO8t+gF2pQYFoWVAX5/KjxwQf0Jrmj03aU04Ls62wvMzp/bvSJEerbCWS+E67kiEH2h /MiAgPzaWBsgC0vPlKYtoaW/Fdq8tD6wNxgBuVb+/0RHT//YsmFNjvvs7ESnRyzWPQyM hpq9m6x81bGFiMAPkfDH72YG71oXxfVgDVpbHllHLrTZ+74E2KpcBE5IBneOACBczsRp d+jyvSC2JGmJp+mOJHJZIJQcgkldi2U8lKd2z1Vn78InnAuuqvhvHWIExPC3+lzPH+67 iAqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rli2nXjfp35G2gZTMzRxgvS/Rwur9MSB3BTn5dr+SIJyTmSeYnI18KdtEWsug53Nw== X-Received: by 10.194.238.42 with SMTP id vh10mr10131220wjc.111.1475328496676; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from julie.krylon.net ([84.139.251.99]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ab9sm24721107wjc.7.2016.10.01.06.28.15 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Walkenhorst Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: sshd does not start after upgrade to 11 Message-Id: <7DC514C7-4597-4D72-8DE3-EFDD78A7C96D@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 15:28:07 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 13:28:18 -0000 Hello everyone, I just upgraded my VPS from 10.3 to 11, and the upgrade *mostly* worked = as I had hoped, except that now sshd is not started automatically. Which = is kind of annoying for a remote system. ;-) When I login through the console and say (as root) =E2=80=9Eservice sshd = start=E2=80=9C, I get the following output: 14:59|root@straylight:/var/log]# service sshd restart Performing sanity check on sshd configuration. Stopping sshd. Performing sanity check on sshd configuration. Starting sshd. login class '/usr/sbin/sshd' non-existent, using default Resource limits for class default: cputime infinity secs filesize infinity kB datasize infinity kB stacksize infinity kB coredumpsize infinity kB memoryuse infinity kB memorylocked 64 kB maxprocesses infinity openfiles infinity sbsize infinity bytes vmemoryuse infinity kB pseudo-terminals infinity swapuse infinity kB kqueues infinity umtxp infinity Afterwards, =E2=80=9Epgrep ssh=E2=80=9C does not show any processes.=20 There are no error messages in syslog, either. When I run (again, as root) /usr/sbin/sshd manually, it works. Did I mess something up during the upgrade inadvertently? Since I can = still start sshd manually, I suspect the problem is not with sshd = itself, but the way it is started by the init system. If anyone could give me a hint on how to proceed, I would be very = grateful.=20 Kind regards, Benjamin= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 13:42:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD23DC049F4 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qk0-x244.google.com (mail-qk0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9603A149B for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-qk0-x244.google.com with SMTP id m184so7910751qkb.3 for ; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:organization:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=llD51BX/O6xe5GaQWgtLd49Duh4NSA30MaFwFzlZYCg=; b=Z5KixhnCBE+VBAyUM7bW5RwmshSNR8JdOBwsj1V/1WAsQAnnzFw3JtlBTSwcOp2Qq6 xlA3euZ2unGNzqMmBcPznrjzlWkhfrJWN9k4syyVKjcgUQL3FnrNYIV2Olnv+ewnDn/B //ij+0N1O7lHBWyP+yQIx7eH+Mxj97c9kHnGQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:organization :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=llD51BX/O6xe5GaQWgtLd49Duh4NSA30MaFwFzlZYCg=; b=Z3qsdp6qMLbbE0tTDcCYzwEfY/d4SUcVtT0bLuGA+dzBZLH27mbeTNu8p/Lo02hGGJ JaqbmfhLkhe2QxBPXWZkDdrNmkMBBd91AIl1YXju3wS0SG7RS4rKHwYpwyM7/tEw8ifm tWcH3q960Eaxru9tApxUoatWzPLc8+ceHT4C3e8EG7WH/c9gBTL9xtU49fxp8TUosXfp Z5k+oz6RhtULtB3jghJKNs9ymtD0rp/I19bwXEfv59gENazdW24fZJCRqW1pmNDFFm1M rgjY3axK62GIGV+Xm/xSt5kav18dxqT+iodo5EGzFcvgk40l77ubrvnc9/gxX8kwisXd 3sMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rn34o3vmaUZpHLrOpSUUNn4mrfK6nt37QvMXCQ2B/drlg6icthlD6kKhh4fX/9qBQ== X-Received: by 10.55.191.132 with SMTP id p126mr12776162qkf.302.1475329321278; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([177.19.53.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x21sm12946921qkb.19.2016.10.01.06.42.00 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Oct 2016 06:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:42:24 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Centralizing /usr/src compilation Message-ID: <20161001104224.6f276332@Papi> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 13:42:03 -0000 Hi; I posted this question a while back. I've been looking for what could be wrong without success. Source is 10-STABLE. I hava a src master server (10.3.51.50) where I compile src and kernel. No CPUTYPE or compiler flags are set. On it, I issued make buildworld and make buildkernel that proceed with no errors. I shared its /usr/src and /usr/obj via nfs. Then, on a slave server, same version and arch as the master, it has this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0s1a 4.8G 243M 4.2G 5% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ada0s1d 1.9G 346M 1.4G 19% /var /dev/ada0s1e 38G 4.0G 31G 11% /usr /dev/ada1s1 28G 4.9M 26G 0% /www fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/fd procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc 10.3.51.50:/usr/src 97G 20G 69G 23% /usr/src 10.3.51.50:/usr/obj 97G 20G 69G 23% /usr/obj In my thoughts, after the compilation on the master, all I had to do is to go to the src slave and issue: -cd /usr/src -mergemaster -p (goes OK). But when I issue make installworld, I get this: [/usr/src]>make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV export PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ; progs=$(for prog in [ awk cap_mkdb cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep id install install-info ln lockf make mkdir mtree nmtree mv pwd_mkdb rm sed sh strip sysctl test true uname wc zic tzsetup makewhatis; do if progpath=`which $prog`; then echo $progpath; else echo "Required tool $prog not found in PATH." >&2; exit 1; fi; done); libs=$(ldd -f "%o %p\n" -f "%o %p\n" $progs 2>/dev/null | sort -u | while read line; do set -- $line; if [ "$2 2>$3" != "not found" ]; then echo $2; else echo "Required library $1 2>not found." >&2; exit 1; fi; done); cp $libs 2>$progs /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV cp -R 2>${PATH_LOCALE:-"/usr/share/locale"} /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale 2>cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 2>MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE= 2>GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin 2>GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font 2>GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac 2>PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games: /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>PATH_LOCALE=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale make -f Makefile.inc1 2>COMPILER_TYPE=clang __MAKE_SHELL=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/sh reinstall; 2>MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE= 2>GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin 2>GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font 2>GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac 2>PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>PATH_LOCALE=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale rm -rf /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) 2>Illegal instruction (core dumped) 2>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Making hierarchy -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 LOCAL_MTREE= hierarchy Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) cd /usr/src/etc; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV make LOCAL_MTREE= distrib-dirs Illegal instruction (core dumped) mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var empty: flags ("schg" is not "none"mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist -p /usr/include mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.debug.dist -p /usr/lib mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.groff.dist -p /usr mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.sendmail.dist -p / install -l s usr/src/sys /sys *** Signal 4 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/etc *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src And dmesg on the slave shows: pid 786 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 799 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 816 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 834 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 847 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 864 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 879 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 891 (install), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) Can anybody point at some direction on whats wrong here, or even bury my idea for good as non workable? Thanks -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 15:08:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B95C05E6B for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 15:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62091507 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 15:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id u91F8Fx6070363; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 01:08:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 01:08:15 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Warren Block cc: David Christensen , Perry Hutchison , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20161001235138.N6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20160929014801.W6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:08:29 -0000 On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:04:13 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Ian Smith wrote: > > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 643, Issue 3, Message: 17 > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:19:39 -0700 David Christensen > > wrote: > > > On 09/27/2016 08:12 AM, Ian Smith wrote: [..] > > > # cmp -l > > > > > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > > /dev/sdc > > > 691669010 351 235 << ~18 bytes into the last 512-byte block > > > 691669011 117 252 > > > 691669012 2 351 [.. lots ..] > > > 691669495 0 227 > > > 691669497 0 22 > > > 691669498 0 163 > > > 691669499 0 362 > > > 691669500 0 372 > > > 691669501 0 221 > > > 691669502 0 230 > > > 691669503 0 122 > > > 691669504 0 256 > > > cmp: EOF on > > > > > /mnt/i3000d/data/dpchrist/iso/freebsd/10.3/FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > > > Right, so most of the last sector was updated. I'm no good at octal .. > > > > We discerned recently that for 10.3, i386 memstick is GPT/EFI and amd64 > > is still MBR/BSD. Since only the last sector differs, perhaps something > > has updated the secondary GPT during the installation, assuming that a > > GPT image should already include one - or at least, the space for one? > > A secondary copy of the partition table is saved at the end of a > GPT-partitioned drive. This is a problem for GPT when a binary image is > written to a device that is not exactly the same size as the image. That is > pretty much always the case with installer images. Indeed. MBR/BSD images don't have this problem because all metadata is at the beginning of and within the image in the case of UFS superblocks. So an image can be copied to a device like /dev/da0, in the case of the hitherto dedicated drive /dev/da0a, or as easily to a slice like da0s1 where it becomes da0s1a, as long as there's enough room on the memstick. A GPT image seems more of a whole-disk image rather than (what equally can serve as) a single partition image. It must have a primary GPT (all 34 sectors?) but do you know if these images already contain the full 34 sector secondary GPT? i.e, I don't see why only the last sector of the copied image file was changed, with no update to any of the prior 33? > gpart can repair > ("recover") the backup partition table because it is a copy of the primary > partition table. This might be required during an install to make sure the > disk works with particularly strict BIOS or UEFI implementations. Although > it seems like a reboot would be required afterwards. Hmm, well it's already booted from the memstick and installed the OS, so we know the installer disk works in that environment. I can't see any need to be modifying the source disk when it's doing / done its job? And then Perry Hutchinson (cc'd) is having the 'opposite' problem of wanting to update the 10.3 i386 memstick he'd booted off with gpart recover and gpart add for another partition, apparently successfully according to gpart show, only to have the updates disappear on reboot? Personally I'm wanting to get to a memstick with 2 or 3 bootable slices for installers (amd64 and i386) - as least the amd64 one from dvd1 with packages - plus a mountable r/w data partition. Using only native tools currently implies using boot0, thus MBR/BSD schema. Converting a new GPT-scheme memstick image to ONE slice on my new 16GB memstick is what I need to figure out, possibly by means of using a tar pipeline similar to dvd1_to_memstick.sh. I hope to get time to look at 11.0 make release memstick scripts, but I'd appreciate any clues / ideas meanwhile .. cheers, Ian (who didn't mention f@!$k once! :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 18:24:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1765DA943AB for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44CF1ED4 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:24:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u91HdZpZ039311 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u91HdZAC039308; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ian Smith cc: David Christensen , Perry Hutchison , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img installer changes contents of USB flash drive In-Reply-To: <20161001235138.N6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <20160929014801.W6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20161001235138.N6806@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 01 Oct 2016 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 18:24:14 -0000 On Sun, 2 Oct 2016, Ian Smith wrote: > > A secondary copy of the partition table is saved at the end of a > > GPT-partitioned drive. This is a problem for GPT when a binary image is > > written to a device that is not exactly the same size as the image. That is > > pretty much always the case with installer images. > > Indeed. MBR/BSD images don't have this problem because all metadata is > at the beginning of and within the image in the case of UFS superblocks. > So an image can be copied to a device like /dev/da0, in the case of the > hitherto dedicated drive /dev/da0a, or as easily to a slice like da0s1 > where it becomes da0s1a, as long as there's enough room on the memstick. > > A GPT image seems more of a whole-disk image rather than (what equally > can serve as) a single partition image. It must have a primary GPT (all > 34 sectors?) but do you know if these images already contain the full 34 > sector secondary GPT? i.e, I don't see why only the last sector of the > copied image file was changed, with no update to any of the prior 33? Most of those 34 blocks (not a fixed size, by the way) contain partition information. But there are global flags and things like the PMBR which could change. Without knowing exactly what that byte does, it's a guess. Note that we don't know when that change is happening. It could be the machine checking the secondary GPT on the memory stick that is helpfully and silently "fixing" something when it recognizes the stick, before it is read. It could be malicious or buggy firmware in any of several places, including the UEFI or BIOS or the memory stick micontroller itself. The point is that we don't know that it is the FreeBSD installer making that change. > > gpart can repair > > ("recover") the backup partition table because it is a copy of the primary > > partition table. This might be required during an install to make sure the > > disk works with particularly strict BIOS or UEFI implementations. Although > > it seems like a reboot would be required afterwards. > > Hmm, well it's already booted from the memstick and installed the OS, so > we know the installer disk works in that environment. I can't see any > need to be modifying the source disk when it's doing / done its job? Agreed, but see above. > And then Perry Hutchinson (cc'd) is having the 'opposite' problem of > wanting to update the 10.3 i386 memstick he'd booted off with gpart > recover and gpart add for another partition, apparently successfully > according to gpart show, only to have the updates disappear on reboot? Pretty sure that's an unrelated problem I've seen myself: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/labels.html If you change partition labels (or something) and then mount them, that information is lost. If you reboot first, something works right. I remember a few years back that someone helped me understand what was going on, but forget the details (and, unfortunately, who it was). > Personally I'm wanting to get to a memstick with 2 or 3 bootable slices > for installers (amd64 and i386) - as least the amd64 one from dvd1 with > packages - plus a mountable r/w data partition. Using only native tools > currently implies using boot0, thus MBR/BSD schema. Converting a new > GPT-scheme memstick image to ONE slice on my new 16GB memstick is what I > need to figure out, possibly by means of using a tar pipeline similar to > dvd1_to_memstick.sh. I hope to get time to look at 11.0 make release > memstick scripts, but I'd appreciate any clues / ideas meanwhile .. I'd think you could just dd(1) the contents of the single installer disk partition into a big-enough MBR partition. Repeat for each image, then use boot0cfg. It really is a shame we still require separate installers for amd64 and i386, a single installer can install either. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 1 18:24:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989D3A943D9 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from nov-007-i517.relay.mailchannels.net (nov-007-i517.relay.mailchannels.net [46.232.183.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C5CF3F for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) X-Sender-Id: hostmach|x-authuser|mlobo@digiart.art.br Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4D4100D5D for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from logan.hmnoc.net (ip-10-229-10-199.us-west-2.compute.internal [10.229.10.199]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E86F0101746 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:40:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: hostmach|x-authuser|mlobo@digiart.art.br Received: from logan.hmnoc.net (logan.hmnoc.net [10.102.194.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.7.8); Sat, 01 Oct 2016 13:40:34 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: hostmach|x-authuser|mlobo@digiart.art.br X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: hostmach X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1475329234249:2856168310 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1475329234248 Received: from [177.19.53.188] (port=12228 helo=Papi) by logan.hmnoc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bqKWl-001gFY-W4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 10:40:32 -0300 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:40:59 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Centralizing /usr/src compilation Message-ID: <20161001104059.50c0ce34@Papi> Organization: DigiArt X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AuthUser: mlobo@digiart.art.br X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 18:24:29 -0000 Hello; I posted this question a while back. I've been looking for what could be wrong without success. Source is 10-STABLE. I hava a src master server (10.3.51.50) where I compile src and kernel. No CPUTYPE or compiler flags are set. On it, I issued make buildworld and make buildkernel that proceed with no errors. I shared its /usr/src and /usr/obj via nfs. Then, on a slave server, same version and arch as the master, it has this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0s1a 4.8G 243M 4.2G 5% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ada0s1d 1.9G 346M 1.4G 19% /var /dev/ada0s1e 38G 4.0G 31G 11% /usr /dev/ada1s1 28G 4.9M 26G 0% /www fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/fd procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc 10.3.51.50:/usr/src 97G 20G 69G 23% /usr/src 10.3.51.50:/usr/obj 97G 20G 69G 23% /usr/obj In my thoughts, after the compilation on the master, all I had to do is to go to the src slave and issue: -cd /usr/src -mergemaster -p (goes OK). But when I issue make installworld, I get this: [/usr/src]>make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV export PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ; progs=$(for prog in [ awk cap_mkdb cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep id install install-info ln lockf make mkdir mtree nmtree mv pwd_mkdb rm sed sh strip sysctl test true uname wc zic tzsetup makewhatis; do if progpath=`which $prog`; then echo $progpath; else echo "Required tool $prog not found in PATH." >&2; exit 1; fi; done); libs=$(ldd -f "%o %p\n" -f "%o %p\n" $progs 2>/dev/null | sort -u | while read line; do set -- $line; if [ "$2 2>$3" != "not found" ]; then echo $2; else echo "Required library $1 2>not found." >&2; exit 1; fi; done); cp $libs 2>$progs /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV cp -R 2>${PATH_LOCALE:-"/usr/share/locale"} /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale 2>cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 2>MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE= 2>GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin 2>GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font 2>GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac 2>PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games: /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>PATH_LOCALE=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale make -f Makefile.inc1 2>COMPILER_TYPE=clang __MAKE_SHELL=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/sh reinstall; 2>MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE= 2>GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin 2>GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font 2>GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac 2>PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>PATH_LOCALE=/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV/locale rm -rf /tmp/install.rlVMvcaV 2>Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) 2>Illegal instruction (core dumped) 2>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Making hierarchy -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 LOCAL_MTREE= hierarchy Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) Illegal instruction (core dumped) cd /usr/src/etc; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/tmp/install.rlVMvcaV make LOCAL_MTREE= distrib-dirs Illegal instruction (core dumped) mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var empty: flags ("schg" is not "none"mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist -p /usr/include mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.debug.dist -p /usr/lib mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.groff.dist -p /usr mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.sendmail.dist -p / install -l s usr/src/sys /sys *** Signal 4 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/etc *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src And dmesg on the slave shows: pid 786 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 799 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 816 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 834 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 847 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 864 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 879 (cc), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) pid 891 (install), uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) Can anybody point at some direction on whats wrong here, or even bury my idea for good as non workable? Thanks -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things."