From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:20:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD2113469F8 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EB5289B95 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545664837; bh=3v2mgHbKs74BdQrxCsGzWlBTzLvGbgbNivjaIuehuOQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=V0LL2uRuVanZNlXl5TYKFAGapr39kaAQH7P9bMp24wfdkYM85iMamIsKJF98hpMqT OjqDvyhZu0vBck442h1fs/Af5kuDS8Ervll9pbcKj9yWapQ4ai4N0DU3Pk3Vm+EIp/ Ylf/A2A9ichi/VHTzhzEA9AOEVTEqISc5tmpfLx68RNtPYoUqN7CTshjPgwaSKyzgJ uJa8hnm8oF8fc4hZw7YnFN3miy1fhxFAY9D9l2L4sqlUiAFC1luv7SYXK4VSr6XtPf jfIwQSz8iwvyQcwHeVuV+iL3FkuAkMEKOR0mWTq+48juhkXklIWWygYBe99c9I+RVx CClYxKRTDu4xw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:20:36 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You removed Weboob package over political reasons? 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Just like in all the anglo-american conquered world. We, the men who actually do work, are treated as the same worker-slaves everywhere. Opensource was a refuge from the worthless cunts (who ban us from having anything good, such as cute young child brides (allowed by YHWH)) but has not been for some time now. Part and parcel of anglo culture: the man is a dog, the wwuuuummmannn is a Noble. Now that Linus has caved all is lost. But you can always rescind license for your copyrighted works... (as-long as they are a bare license such as the gpl2). Absent an attached interest (ie: someone paying you for use of the work, or relying on your promises): you the rightsholder have the right to rescind at will. GPL v2 lacks such language disclaiming rescission, you made no utterances that one could rely upon to suggest that there would be no rescission, and you were paid no consideration for your work. .: You can rescind, just like any other property license. And yes, I am a lawyer. Men should be free to take girl children as brides and feminism should be eliminated from the earth (just as they seek to eliminate all pro-male cultures in the world) On 2018-12-24 14:58, Default User wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 05:20 Ivan Ivanov >>> 500 comments at Slashdot, >200 at Phoronix and >1000 at linux org >> ru! See now? >> When a technical project starts making their decisions over >> political reasons... >> rather than technical, it is doomed. Good time to switch to a >> similar distro.... >> with mentally sane leadership, like Devuan. Also what's good about >> Devuan : >> >> Devuan does not use SystemDick as its' init system! SystemD contains >>> 1 million >> lines of bloated code and lots of vulnerabilities have been found >> there and >> countless haven't, also the SystemD creators are arrogant and refuse >> to fix many >> discovered security vulnerabilities, to a point where they've been >> awarded a >> " Pwnie award " for refusing to fix a critical vuln. >> >> That is why I prefer the distros which are using something else as >> init system: >> either good old SysV, or something more modern like OpenRC (at Artix >> Linux) or >> runit (at Void Linux) , just not systemd! There are only a few such >> distros left >> because of Redhat pressure, and luckily Devuan is one of them. >> If you found Debian as useful before it went nuts then maybe you'd >> like Devuan, >> or even some other distros that I mentioned: Artix Linux =Arch with >> a human face >> (has GUI + everything configured by default, nice GUI package >> manager and >> convenient to use even for the beginners), and Void Linux -amazingly >> fast distro >> really suitable for old PCs, but lacks some packages so you'd need >> to compile >> the things from source once in a while, in comparison Artix has >> almost the same >> set of packages as Arch. Both Artix and Void are very stable despite >> their >> packages are really new and they are among the first to get new >> Linux kernels >> with fresh drivers. >> >> Or maybe MX Linux, one of the top popularity distros nowadays which >> is >> also "no systemd" and somehow only recently I learned about it >> >> Best regards, >> Ivan Ivanov, >> open source firmware developer > > How ridiculous that some pathetic questionable would spend their > precious time on Earth censoring package names which contain the > character string "boob". > > Sad. > >> From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:28:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A510D1346CFF; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D94B289F14; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545665333; bh=LbBXAHl9MbXz5ay5w/q4/wafmsAMRPXdbDmAQaWG4Yo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=oUL+EA0fgjxsfypIPUwaET4AOVc6bCol55TKXsy0p6OzA4Zckp+FZprBK978PF/NH nHvBq1S9xHkBjdV5+mi1X/QKHDkABaSL5S9KvpMse2IhKhlcU1UJeuSipK2hZTIdV+ pHTET/cgwoNiAsndxdtmbLNHujAUfKYhyn/2iBXMJlkaPN8PxJS5zvbvpac8xXRv3N r4s0+wbEixVQpFJOZy7vCkX0mU67T7LJct4M2+6yBQ8lvdflXgEpNaDppi4VAh1Qe9 7At0zN56u3/lYG85WMo8GBZf85hi1fUGpMx5BSSqO8aHsyOOjK3GC1q56z/3PC8ejr pQ+Ap7enmItuw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:28:53 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: 2 months and no response from Eben Moglen - Yes you can rescind your grant. 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Eben Moglen has published no research. Because there is nothing more to say: The GPLv2, as used by linux, is a bare license. It can be rescinded at the will of the grantor. The regime that the FSF used, vis-a-vis the GPLv2, is essential: copyright transfers to a central repository entity that is sure not to rescind. Linus chose not to adopt this regime. He benefited by greatly increased developer contribution. The price for that windfall was and is the retention of their traditional property rights by the property holders. They can rescind at will. They made no promise nor utterance to the contrary that can be relied upon. They were paid no consideration. There was no meeting of the minds. Additionally the CoC regime itself is a license terms violation, being an additional restrictive term, as explained in the other analysis. (Similar to the GRSecurity license violation) On 2018-10-26 18:31, Eben Moglen wrote: > On Friday, 26 October 2018, visionsofalice@redchan.it wrote: > > You are conflating case law dealing with commercial software and > non-gratuitous licenses with the present situation, which would > likely > be a case of first-impression in nearly any jurisdiction. > > I think the best procedure would be for me to publish my analysis and > for you then to tell me what is wrong with it. What you say here > sounds like what a lawyer might say, but isn't. I have been teaching > this stuff for about thirty years, so if I am conflating or confusing > anything I will be grateful for help in seeing my mistake. > > The rule for gratuitous licenses is that they are revocable at the > will > of the grantor. > > That's not actually "the rule." It sounds like it might be the rule, > but it so happens that it's not. When I have given the explanation as > I have learned, taught and depended on it, you will be able to show me > what I am wrong about. > > Raymond Nimmer (God rest his soul) was in agreement on this point, > vis-a-vis the GPL and similar licenses. > > You have your Nimmers confused. The primary author of the treatise > Nimmer on Copyright (a book about the law, not in itself an authority) > was Melville Nimmer. The treatise is continued by his son, David, a > fine lawyer with whom I do from time to time politely disagree about > something. Ray Nimmer is quite another person. > > Eben From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:49:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84928134760D; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FD108AB2F; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1545666555; bh=+ZUI+/bOtwof4ayG9O/TYOVk42OfwKlQEiWi3hQWsB8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=KsQ8Ty497BQarYm25f7dRj3yY/z3ys932me0sJdIIs4lYuSL1BpAN5eepqi08/fb3 PyvvGkBt8SH43Gfx6pqoqWHoPkYgFmugvC+cwxq8Ho3ipVd/iRgukz65Ji2b1sO/7l gfyea6veeanTLpoPC3Toxh7dZMxqpB5gb/KvaRdNXt1rjEIq+4QLjf5tX63v6oaoYW gkBAqgptA5/wLAXvJr5gWQV5069ForsJTuqTz8aATm95gm7fFyCz2fqKPseDVfok2+ +HWj/InqRcovKV9mHS3hDIsov3nAkP+ADFXy+inXrLHAVXJ2ZwNEhqzSh8NoiTydcT hXdsFtyTd6liw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:49:14 +0000 From: visionsofalice@redchan.it To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor. 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Kuhn: The SFConservancy's new explanation was refuted 5 hours after it was published: Yes they can, greg. The GPL v2, is a bare license. It is not a contract. It lacks consideration between the licensee and the grantor. (IE: They didn't pay you, Greg, a thing. YOU, Greg, simply have chosen to bestow a benefit upon them where they suffer no detriment and you, in fact, gain no bargained-for benefit) As a bare license, (read: property license), the standard rules regarding the alienation of property apply. Therein: a gratuitous license is revocable at the will of the grantor. The licensee then may ATTEMPT, as an affirmative defense against your as-of-right action to claim promissory estoppel in state court, and "keep you to your word". However you made no such promise disclaiming your right to rescind the license. Remeber: There is no utterance disclaiming this right within the GPL version 2. Linus, furthermore, has chosen both to exclude the "or any later version" codicil, to reject the GPL version 3, AND to publicly savage GPL version 3 (he surely has his reasons, perhaps this is one of them, left unstated). (GPLv3 which has such promises listed (not to say that they would be effective against the grantor, but it is an attempt at the least)). The Software Freedom Conservancy has attempted to mis-construe clause 4 of the GPL version 2 as a "no-revocation by grantor" clause. However, reading said clause, using plain construction, leads a reasonable person to understand that said clause is speaking specifically about the situation where an upstream licensee loses their permission under the terms due to a violation of the terms; in that case the down-stream licensee does not in-turn also lose their permission under the terms. Additionally, clause 0 makes it crystal clear that "You" is defined as the licensee, not the grantor. Another issue the SFConservancy's public service announcement chooses to ignore. Thirdly, the SFConservancy banks on the ignorance of both the public and the developers regarding property alienation. A license does not impinge the rights of the party granting the license in a quid-pro-quo manner vis a vis the licensee's taking. A license merely grants permission, extended from the grantor, to the licensee, regarding the article of property that is being impinged. A license is NOT a full nor is it a permanent alienation of the article(property) in question. The impinged property, being under a non bargained-for temporary grant, can be taken back into the sole dominion of the owner - at his election to do so. Now as to the 9th circuit appellate court's decision in Jacobsen v. Katzer . While the court waxes eloquently about opensource licenses, even mentioning the word "consideration" in it's long dicta, when it comes time to make the binding decision the court found that the lower (district) court was in _ERROR_ regarding the application of contract-law principals to the Artistic License, regarding the case, and instructed the lower court to instead construe said license as a Copyright License. The SFConservancy, and Bruce Perens have chosen to: 1) Rely on the dicta. (non-binding - "some things could be contracts - opensource is great") 2) Ignore the actual ruling. (Binding - Copyright License - Not Contract) 3) Ignore that this case was about the AL, not the GPLv2 4) Ignore the existence of different jurisdictions. (Why file in the roll-the-dice 9th district if you can file in a district that has personal-juristicion over the defendant and is much more consistent in it's rulings?) 5) Ignore all established law regard property licensing, contract formation, meeting of the minds, what consideration is etc. Which is not surprising considering the desire of people like Bruce Perens is to rob MEN of EVERY benefit of their Labour and every speck of happiness in life and to transfer those benefits to WOMEN and those who support women. (This is why people who are like Bruce Perens, the SFConservancy menbers, and the CoC supporters, banned men from taking female children as brides: in contrivance to the law of YHWH (Devarim chapter 22 - - verse 28 (na'ar (LXX: padia)), and continue to uphold that ban world-wide, and seek to destroy ALL cultures that do no bend to their will.... who are not idolators of Women) Look, you may love your users, you may love the people who edit your code in their home or office; but the fact of the matter is... They have done nothing for you, they have promised nothing to you. They CANNOT hold YOU. You have the right to rescind at any time, and remove your work from any future versions of Linux. And you might consider doing so if YOU are done harm. Don't let the insatiable, never-satisfied, public fool you into thinking otherwise. And, yes, I am a lawyer. And, no, unlike the SFConservancy, I did not have to call upon outside counsel to analyze the fact pattern. (And even then all they could come up with was statements using weasel words "may" etc: not even wanting to commit to their clearly-disingenuous publication) (Note: If you would like to read a nice discussion on the topic, here is one http://illinoisjltp.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumar.pdf ) On 2018-10-25 08:19, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it > wrote: >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. > > No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. > > greg k-h On 2018-10-29 22:31, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it > wrote: >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. > Greg KH responded on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:19:11 +0100: >>> No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. > > I was explicitly cc'ed on this thread by visionsofalice. I've read the > whole thread, and the only useful thing I can contribute here is to > agree > with Greg and additionally provide some backup research on the point: > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2018/sep/26/GPLv2-irrevocability/ > > Software Freedom Conservancy engaged our legal counsel to write a new > section for the Copyleft Guide that further explains the irrevocability > of > GPLv2. We published this when others raised these specious claims back > in > September. Direct link to new section: > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech8.html#x11-540007.4 > > > HTH, From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:50:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD1D134765E; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A1E8AB6E; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1545666602; bh=LcdDQ9Sz3n3SFE735mMMEkFLwsX7CjZ2YGqZxW9m9nk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=EvyfZNpKJsUdUFO8XZ+P1oizxl+Qn7ixq1Pt44FQnTdbespLrdKv+iJDd78zskbXs +eWvPOrq7t/fyMX465uRkToM5iYVOvsTitGOKjDsYPiyemvMvLbuCjgu4NF083qGOM zakNsppwWI386j64yQ1xDWl3o0Q9UZiv1RMalr2pNWCAFaer+qpZv8BdTMIuc0aQ1e aGe3PFkIJpjXw3aY0A4iAEMXQwxDEuzB5nHZiz+ZGv/AF4UM0cZvBlMSJ1gnqJ+IIP 55oluqaBNta4Wv1qKfnVCkuEhdl3yQMo4ZpmjPnRZEWM0GK2RwUBu/8QN0jwS87ZjT vJ+22BWB/U2hg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:01 +0000 From: visionsofalice@redchan.it To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Reason for RedHat purchase 30 pct over market cap Message-ID: <800f677528fc7c407776dbbf5ffcadd2@redchan.it> X-Sender: visionsofalice@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 15A1E8AB6E X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=EvyfZNpK; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of visionsofalice@redchan.it designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=visionsofalice@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redchan.it]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[redchan.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.920,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.71)[asn: 200651(-3.48), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:05 -0000 Redhat has achieved "governance" over the Linux(TM), via systemd and the Code of Conduct. You, contributors, are now treated as employees. They are confident that you will not assert your property rights, since you attack those who do (See: Netfiter saga), and take it as an honour to sign documents pledging that you will not assert your property rights (prepared for you by your now-masters). They know that you are psychologically bound to behave as hirelings - servants, and not as property owners. Thus they can rest easy knowing the ground is, though made of sand, not in seeming danger of a tempest. Because of you. Because of your history of supplication. Your enuich-like nature. A nice example is Bradly Kuhn's recent blog posts 1) Excoriating RMS and 2) showing how he himself is submissive to a woman he hired. He's even angry that others still treat him with respect rather than transferring all the good will to the female figurehead everyone is supposed to now respect (for what reason? No, being an actual programmer is not required: sufficent is being a member of the "better" species that rules over the males under the anglo-american system that Bradly Kuhn and his kind uphold ) If I were them I would never donate another cent to the SFConservancy, and I would seek a claw-back of the funds that I did donate for improper use (yes this is possible under both California and New York law). Especially since they seem to have no in-house lawyers what-so-ever (so what is their purpose?). We are supposed to be proud that his mind is as innocent as his visage (perhaps why he had to hire outside counsel to give him an incorrect and abundantly couched opinion) [1] http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2018/11/22/gnu-kind-communication-guidelines.html [2] http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2018/06/21/everyday-sexism.html From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 16:02:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF6A1347F81; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rauldmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 586638B3C3; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rauldmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id p6so12067213wmc.1; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 08:02:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uMzAAtNfb6KhskF5ysAmKEXT7RgZh9mZBL6O/jKGLUc=; b=U00AmKSw5k4AMhlmuaumuKnRaQJA4p7ZViDkbqW2c46fOQ6DH3RRiQHdfrr0QsS1Ny p0adzMEJ84qpNnt7ssHYKWLnY8nhwcAM3YcsFHCnA+VpaxU3rxqPM+GPFPz45/eL9ANL TytCX20dl9z5/Dlat0g5BsBQZ2lXTW6e2XakLCJx2eeLpqlrEjpxPsUQzDlraTpPOGPx qXdcXYd9a98K/X3ifYdB1w8abIfMR711uYAOWV/ChW0jnTiOGN5iAlbvDjf3uTZFPx7w q8O1h0ZKPirYAE6i8dhNjiTuHzGD0xaty+Q4OhM3CvSNCBDSpmVwGCA+vXPxxqnE1KeS gvcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uMzAAtNfb6KhskF5ysAmKEXT7RgZh9mZBL6O/jKGLUc=; b=C/OTZHMJGTniv931HJ4n9X+BXIrWbN1owSMMh9aKynQZlFOYHYWLQxXE7C9rmoo+aQ KxvIugVBIvomsw4fyqZe0HyIe3wm9I/NwDccFqfubixc41m1eCZHWOBL/4Nmw5/hEty3 8ecpkNlTUJJxxL/JEdZaiXU7F17cnEZHwutOJ3BSeViMNBRhq+ZzfDFeZ4SbQdCgQPcm hnw97KqeqGEF67O5i7T/xZUkWJA2rnv6L8eLGNZseqP6/XA4Pn/s7ij235N1ckFxtF0p RRYjf9XV1S8tuIA8FPM1v9BuDqaen4JBdKy7TPeNUvYBNIVSxBbEk3mqe/cjLw2bm/qY x4Yg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukfYl7CSbbojTgJi0gmRE+JJEtrLNaZpw0s/75QI0rd8RQk/wWhA UlKm20J0N7iVOyGVZtNSooutXouBEdUKVWdqXdE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/U/SDn1e/2OCsh2VXB6e5No+FaLGudx91yq0A7i5XNToyD0bpJDAqVmrZUnkpGAZ3bvjIM0Jyv1T4qc+ETl1hM= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:c483:: with SMTP id u125mr12387517wmf.14.1545667325652; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <238e9be2bb4751406260ebdc7686ef54@redchan.it> In-Reply-To: <238e9be2bb4751406260ebdc7686ef54@redchan.it> From: Raul Miller Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 11:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor. 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(2) ... (I am not going to go over the legal mistakes you've made, because of (1))... (3) Anyways, ... people do make mistakes... But, please stop making these mistakes. Thanks, -- Raul On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM wrote: > > Bradley M. Kuhn: The SFConservancy's new explanation was refuted 5 hours > after it was published: > > > > > Yes they can, greg. > > The GPL v2, is a bare license. It is not a contract. It lacks > consideration between the licensee and the grantor. > > (IE: They didn't pay you, Greg, a thing. YOU, Greg, simply have chosen > to bestow a benefit upon them where they suffer no detriment and you, in > fact, gain no bargained-for benefit) > > As a bare license, (read: property license), the standard rules > regarding the alienation of property apply. > > Therein: a gratuitous license is revocable at the will of the grantor. > > The licensee then may ATTEMPT, as an affirmative defense against your > as-of-right action to claim promissory estoppel in state court, and > "keep you to your word". However you made no such promise disclaiming > your right to rescind the license. > > Remeber: There is no utterance disclaiming this right within the GPL > version 2. Linus, furthermore, has chosen both to exclude the "or any > later version" codicil, to reject the GPL version 3, AND to publicly > savage GPL version 3 (he surely has his reasons, perhaps this is one of > them, left unstated). (GPLv3 which has such promises listed (not to say > that they would be effective against the grantor, but it is an attempt > at the least)). > > > > > The Software Freedom Conservancy has attempted to mis-construe clause 4 > of the GPL version 2 as a "no-revocation by grantor" clause. > > However, reading said clause, using plain construction, leads a > reasonable person to understand that said clause is speaking > specifically about the situation where an upstream licensee loses their > permission under the terms due to a violation of the terms; in that case > the down-stream licensee does not in-turn also lose their permission > under the terms. > > Additionally, clause 0 makes it crystal clear that "You" is defined as > the licensee, not the grantor. Another issue the SFConservancy's public > service announcement chooses to ignore. > > Thirdly, the SFConservancy banks on the ignorance of both the public and > the developers regarding property alienation. A license does not impinge > the rights of the party granting the license in a quid-pro-quo manner > vis a vis the licensee's taking. A license merely grants permission, > extended from the grantor, to the licensee, regarding the article of > property that is being impinged. A license is NOT a full nor is it a > permanent alienation of the article(property) in question. The impinged > property, being under a non bargained-for temporary grant, can be taken > back into the sole dominion of the owner - at his election to do so. > > > > Now as to the 9th circuit appellate court's decision in Jacobsen v. > Katzer . While the court waxes eloquently about opensource licenses, > even mentioning the word "consideration" in it's long dicta, when it > comes time to make the binding decision the court found that the lower > (district) court was in _ERROR_ regarding the application of > contract-law principals to the Artistic License, regarding the case, and > instructed the lower court to instead construe said license as a > Copyright License. > > The SFConservancy, and Bruce Perens have chosen to: > 1) Rely on the dicta. (non-binding - "some things could be contracts - > opensource is great") > 2) Ignore the actual ruling. (Binding - Copyright License - Not > Contract) > 3) Ignore that this case was about the AL, not the GPLv2 > 4) Ignore the existence of different jurisdictions. > (Why file in the roll-the-dice 9th district if you can file in a > district that has personal-juristicion over the defendant and is much > more consistent in it's rulings?) > 5) Ignore all established law regard property licensing, contract > formation, meeting of the minds, what consideration is etc. > > Which is not surprising considering the desire of people like Bruce > Perens is to rob MEN of EVERY benefit of their Labour and every speck of > happiness in life and to transfer those benefits to WOMEN and those who > support women. > > (This is why people who are like Bruce Perens, the SFConservancy > menbers, and the CoC supporters, banned men from taking female children > as brides: in contrivance to the law of YHWH (Devarim chapter 22 - - > verse 28 (na'ar (LXX: padia)), and continue to uphold that ban > world-wide, and seek to destroy ALL cultures that do no bend to their > will.... who are not idolators of Women) > > > > > Look, you may love your users, you may love the people who edit your > code in their home or office; but the fact of the matter is... > > They have done nothing for you, they have promised nothing to you. They > CANNOT hold YOU. > > You have the right to rescind at any time, and remove your work from any > future versions of Linux. And you might consider doing so if YOU are > done harm. > > Don't let the insatiable, never-satisfied, public fool you into thinking > otherwise. > > And, yes, I am a lawyer. > And, no, unlike the SFConservancy, I did not have to call upon outside > counsel to analyze the fact pattern. (And even then all they could come > up with was statements using weasel words "may" etc: not even wanting to > commit to their clearly-disingenuous publication) > > > (Note: If you would like to read a nice discussion on the topic, here is > one http://illinoisjltp.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumar.pdf > ) > > On 2018-10-25 08:19, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it > > wrote: > >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. > > > > No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. > > > > greg k-h > > > > On 2018-10-29 22:31, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it > > wrote: > >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. > > Greg KH responded on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:19:11 +0100: > >>> No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. > > > > I was explicitly cc'ed on this thread by visionsofalice. I've read the > > whole thread, and the only useful thing I can contribute here is to > > agree > > with Greg and additionally provide some backup research on the point: > > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2018/sep/26/GPLv2-irrevocability/ > > > > Software Freedom Conservancy engaged our legal counsel to write a new > > section for the Copyleft Guide that further explains the irrevocability > > of > > GPLv2. We published this when others raised these specious claims back > > in > > September. Direct link to new section: > > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech8.html#x11-540007.4 > > > > > > HTH, > > > From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:12:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B67C1421E37; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6F198A1F1; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545941549; bh=52AdPDMsW9Ymh97xkjtD3NHn67drtE6th6bXKip2k34=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=sP87Kajt8vFeF3pHOJA4jGKKRG+fPoVhOfsP0HPRJ4gR7ViphGDCohygrrFB84bBd y4PdH1ksmAIXXFyRQr5DL8F/0IqDen5Pm0GC8+/fg+1rVJ9A8nqDdo9iiZ8vl6fZ5V m1ioBTxUb6oWCKL2/LBo1ed3mdI8LxVEhFzEdi+vKUy508EermFMe//LRwB7q1jewE QHxX50kWZgir0O3ly8K/ap+FFvwYkotMU+5SJSGQdPZuMua1cKypkpdmYoZR1XWyZB BMmBS5D2qvbUtLxg2uiiqLngmoPE8dQIP0Dhvqd7/dA+Xtw7EwDJ5X+dt94xjKdSeg Js8kxcqR2Swng== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:28 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Raul Miller Cc: visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor. 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(I am not going to go over the legal mistakes you've made, > because of (1))... I have not made legal mistakes, pompous programmer asshole*. A gratuitous license, absent an attached interest, is revocable at will. This goes for GPLv2 as used by linux, just as it goes for the BSD license(s). The only entities who have, with regards to BSD, an attached interests are perhaps those companies who pay for its development. Non-gratis (paying) customers may have some refuge under consumer protection statutes, for current versions they have in their posession, paid for by good consideration. Everyone else has NOTHING. Do you understand that? In the case of the 1000's of linux copyright holders to whom no consideration was given by an entity, and the various BSD copyright holders (read: the programmers), who have not ASSIGNED their copyright over to some other entity, there is NOTHING to hold them to a promise THEY NEVER MADE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NEITHER THEY NOR YOU HAVE PROMISED NOT TO ELLECT TO USE YOUR AS-OF-RIGHT OPTION TO RESCIND YOUR GRATUITOUS LICENSE REGARDING YOUR WORK. One cannot rely on a promise that was never made, additionally many of them were never paid consideration for this non existant promise either. *(Note: I am both a programmer and an attorney, so I know the type) On 2018-12-24 16:01, Raul Miller wrote: > (1) Wrong mailing lists - these are not linux mailing lists. > > (2) ... (I am not going to go over the legal mistakes you've made, > because of (1))... > > (3) Anyways, ... people do make mistakes... But, please stop making > these mistakes. > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM wrote: >> >> Bradley M. Kuhn: The SFConservancy's new explanation was refuted 5 >> hours >> after it was published: >> >> >> >> >> Yes they can, greg. >> >> The GPL v2, is a bare license. It is not a contract. It lacks >> consideration between the licensee and the grantor. >> >> (IE: They didn't pay you, Greg, a thing. YOU, Greg, simply have chosen >> to bestow a benefit upon them where they suffer no detriment and you, >> in >> fact, gain no bargained-for benefit) >> >> As a bare license, (read: property license), the standard rules >> regarding the alienation of property apply. >> >> Therein: a gratuitous license is revocable at the will of the grantor. >> >> The licensee then may ATTEMPT, as an affirmative defense against your >> as-of-right action to claim promissory estoppel in state court, and >> "keep you to your word". However you made no such promise disclaiming >> your right to rescind the license. >> >> Remeber: There is no utterance disclaiming this right within the GPL >> version 2. Linus, furthermore, has chosen both to exclude the "or any >> later version" codicil, to reject the GPL version 3, AND to publicly >> savage GPL version 3 (he surely has his reasons, perhaps this is one >> of >> them, left unstated). (GPLv3 which has such promises listed (not to >> say >> that they would be effective against the grantor, but it is an attempt >> at the least)). >> >> >> >> >> The Software Freedom Conservancy has attempted to mis-construe clause >> 4 >> of the GPL version 2 as a "no-revocation by grantor" clause. >> >> However, reading said clause, using plain construction, leads a >> reasonable person to understand that said clause is speaking >> specifically about the situation where an upstream licensee loses >> their >> permission under the terms due to a violation of the terms; in that >> case >> the down-stream licensee does not in-turn also lose their permission >> under the terms. >> >> Additionally, clause 0 makes it crystal clear that "You" is defined as >> the licensee, not the grantor. Another issue the SFConservancy's >> public >> service announcement chooses to ignore. >> >> Thirdly, the SFConservancy banks on the ignorance of both the public >> and >> the developers regarding property alienation. A license does not >> impinge >> the rights of the party granting the license in a quid-pro-quo manner >> vis a vis the licensee's taking. A license merely grants permission, >> extended from the grantor, to the licensee, regarding the article of >> property that is being impinged. A license is NOT a full nor is it a >> permanent alienation of the article(property) in question. The >> impinged >> property, being under a non bargained-for temporary grant, can be >> taken >> back into the sole dominion of the owner - at his election to do so. >> >> >> >> Now as to the 9th circuit appellate court's decision in Jacobsen v. >> Katzer . While the court waxes eloquently about opensource licenses, >> even mentioning the word "consideration" in it's long dicta, when it >> comes time to make the binding decision the court found that the lower >> (district) court was in _ERROR_ regarding the application of >> contract-law principals to the Artistic License, regarding the case, >> and >> instructed the lower court to instead construe said license as a >> Copyright License. >> >> The SFConservancy, and Bruce Perens have chosen to: >> 1) Rely on the dicta. (non-binding - "some things could be contracts - >> opensource is great") >> 2) Ignore the actual ruling. (Binding - Copyright License - Not >> Contract) >> 3) Ignore that this case was about the AL, not the GPLv2 >> 4) Ignore the existence of different jurisdictions. >> (Why file in the roll-the-dice 9th district if you can file in a >> district that has personal-juristicion over the defendant and is much >> more consistent in it's rulings?) >> 5) Ignore all established law regard property licensing, contract >> formation, meeting of the minds, what consideration is etc. >> >> Which is not surprising considering the desire of people like Bruce >> Perens is to rob MEN of EVERY benefit of their Labour and every speck >> of >> happiness in life and to transfer those benefits to WOMEN and those >> who >> support women. >> >> (This is why people who are like Bruce Perens, the SFConservancy >> menbers, and the CoC supporters, banned men from taking female >> children >> as brides: in contrivance to the law of YHWH (Devarim chapter 22 - - >> verse 28 (na'ar (LXX: padia)), and continue to uphold that ban >> world-wide, and seek to destroy ALL cultures that do no bend to their >> will.... who are not idolators of Women) >> >> >> >> >> Look, you may love your users, you may love the people who edit your >> code in their home or office; but the fact of the matter is... >> >> They have done nothing for you, they have promised nothing to you. >> They >> CANNOT hold YOU. >> >> You have the right to rescind at any time, and remove your work from >> any >> future versions of Linux. And you might consider doing so if YOU are >> done harm. >> >> Don't let the insatiable, never-satisfied, public fool you into >> thinking >> otherwise. >> >> And, yes, I am a lawyer. >> And, no, unlike the SFConservancy, I did not have to call upon outside >> counsel to analyze the fact pattern. (And even then all they could >> come >> up with was statements using weasel words "may" etc: not even wanting >> to >> commit to their clearly-disingenuous publication) >> >> >> (Note: If you would like to read a nice discussion on the topic, here >> is >> one >> http://illinoisjltp.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumar.pdf >> ) >> >> On 2018-10-25 08:19, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it >> > wrote: >> >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. >> > >> > No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. >> > >> > greg k-h >> >> >> >> On 2018-10-29 22:31, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it >> > wrote: >> >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. >> > Greg KH responded on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:19:11 +0100: >> >>> No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. >> > >> > I was explicitly cc'ed on this thread by visionsofalice. I've read the >> > whole thread, and the only useful thing I can contribute here is to >> > agree >> > with Greg and additionally provide some backup research on the point: >> > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2018/sep/26/GPLv2-irrevocability/ >> > >> > Software Freedom Conservancy engaged our legal counsel to write a new >> > section for the Copyleft Guide that further explains the irrevocability >> > of >> > GPLv2. We published this when others raised these specious claims back >> > in >> > September. Direct link to new section: >> > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech8.html#x11-540007.4 >> > >> > >> > HTH, >> >> >> From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:30:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2684D142227F; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB778A8B7; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545942637; bh=n4ay6dIBycgFXUvx4jdmOJukGdV4cGm8XN2Ae0Qc4CA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=NHz/BEBqzGGEF6Ugh/xaX+qvtSO97bp+RjJrjoYqZV6IkNc6YmasCvMrGApajzKWM YaCxmQQghVIFAHcbEfjrtkGqlm0qUQX1XktbWjRKLoXL/9uSt41cIbQVV1is2AedQZ UTaN3DZWHfWT3Q0WrvSK3vldilbm0CAniofPukk3DzD6PAVE56IUHoxNY+oUu7IHTy +dTWpZT1XYIxIuUB3XRrOJLGYJNqwx+Q63+lspVYx3UNyEPkRdsm7jVrJtdkWMkfjU 74pB8Hf2JyPrcmGXnw98feTPc5JZTvGHhjyH6C+kYt+4ljqxJWkLdGJRiipZQ2kywC qslrRJXSMheDQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:30:36 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Raul Miller Cc: visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Why is no one discussing this anymore? 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It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from programmers. Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by virtue of being "smarts"? Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I do know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a programmer too... but for something useful... like games :) ) Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, Linux is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report on how I'm wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades said: he's full of shit. Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one of them could shake the tree. 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To: vsnsdualce@memeware.net Cc: Raul Miller , visionsofalice@redchan.it, OpenBSD general usage list , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, owner-misc@openbsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 995588AB56 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=paulstuffins-me-uk.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=GL9Ncrse X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.762,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[paulstuffins-me-uk.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.57)[0.568,0]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[ip: (3.63), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.73), asn: 15169(-1.50), country: US(-0.08)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-chat@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[paulstuffins.me.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.84)[-0.842,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[paulstuffins-me-uk.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,alt4.aspmx.l.google.com,alt3.aspmx.l.google.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:37:33 -0000 > Are you idiots aware Insulting people is not the right way to get your point across! From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:48:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491F414229C3; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bononlines@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x843.google.com (mail-qt1-x843.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::843]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A9F38B23A; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bononlines@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x843.google.com with SMTP id n32so21384852qte.11; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=fi4v9QVEbJBS29NLpBWanHSYjhSWP0ozXzu1zdb62tQ=; b=KcbzwwLv+0zx+u7ng/1EDextMWxtGE21w1KymZIOnpkKV322b65mq/p9lrrFbjZZue JCaQQp73rwA1sERGbN3CZup2QCkg4asac2gV2Blgew+lwc17t+UHfhCKJyZUVvzrAxY2 +l1cUR28LyWNr++cD7P4u4AgsLRP6Hx4sawGyYbQUlQRiNXuZKxLDDDlMAxDJ477MeAk tZ3/Dtw6N72isIUrrhbDRozstK5hIq1xT2on2VJ8/1NqeqPo7FEB44ECxmsO7jXHAy0r wDp4hg2emgyXaQxrKreO9W6LfyIiWeMZS8zSEHPmCO4BAgkU6wFetLvKpW0mHmz/HjDu 0iGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fi4v9QVEbJBS29NLpBWanHSYjhSWP0ozXzu1zdb62tQ=; b=gBr9fyOfTNe+h0uLAVolqTKSGqrP+a0FYL2DmLAZx5w8B1gqSDCQHLJXAIk/em9kdM Xw1ec+ZT6fgCIRttmaTnrrAC9c1u17lyl/O0tdK4v+tky2PJFYn5p36gMHiTw9TpkBz7 Drrc6AAEcOmsAEM3Zf3PIv4NQyIzlRCtyLbUXhYkxZHgzJ1fycASIfkokmd5jBXsUfSf ZVanAFlRDePtsPCl8Wx0f926XRfWeNKh3QlwYJxuBZygmgK5PBDXFxsbZmjvb7/5C7V0 16SLT0JVG+U1B8xP1bonCI5T3DTMasCEmOxNQOdKF8scMWuygBh3tUggRcBNg6/FRf6K fmxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYQjVJ0Qc9RGuQe56HHvoZVWhCwG+eqxEgITrNY1C/tQTGTnyDN 3GzpAzt3IVGGHydJJiA0um32NP8xDXHD53tSlfA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VqAPX0VXaUA49Mwqx0exh7PvIBqs/kkMjMy7lEFPL9JyXNbqkxK4CmnWihb2jipD1wtGHr5+6cwhNYNQUqaeU= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:728f:: with SMTP id v15mr23042461qto.260.1545943705005; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: BonOnlines@gmail.com From: Bon Onlines Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 21:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? To: vsnsdualce@memeware.net Cc: Raul Miller , visionsofalice@redchan.it, OpenBSD general usage list , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, owner-misc@openbsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6A9F38B23A X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=KcbzwwLv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bononlines@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::843 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bononlines@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.02 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[BonOnlines@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.958,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.070,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-0.13)[ip: (2.77), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.86), asn: 15169(-1.50), country: US(-0.08)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:48:26 -0000 Are you aware we are in the end of year holidays? I recommend you to not call others as an idiot, as the only idiot here are you ;) On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:31 PM wrote: > > Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > programmers. > > Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by > virtue of being "smarts"? > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I > do know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a > programmer too... but for something useful... like games :) ) > > Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, > Linux is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report > on how I'm wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. > > Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. > > It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades > said: he's full of shit. > > Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. > > The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one > of them could shake the tree. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:53:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B17E1422BBB; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from turkel.christopher@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x132.google.com (mail-it1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 913818B54D; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from turkel.christopher@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x132.google.com with SMTP id h193so25050962ita.5; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:53:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dkdHoYYz2Ey7+OJcnRO/sfPPcxmvw4aGm6sJS6e3ic0=; b=I3SgLTRBnt0jl4SWGRISBwtafJDbSZAyyez/IShq23M+8dKYds3sQbab/b2/Ad2/1b KVF5F3N1GqxPhCN/McDgAR1l182hVFze1ng9Ou9bojkpfxOmeqE6Ltbf50Gp5yhy5R/C 84AzhQwW2Teap8lw76fufeyNUNsE6NGViUxxVSbjKltCROXhUEIjKJVk/TftGtKSLYyU ysXhiD1htGHOBQuwRTfXHrlEPBNapxkCfKp5Vok+dcUD4mM4PEUakIQ/YlYIvz9h2xpe tM1CUFMXWsEdOulHTGj5SOq/QOxaW8vDrti0xuKWHb5TWJDtSoMq3WrkvOGDu+SQEsN+ dRRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dkdHoYYz2Ey7+OJcnRO/sfPPcxmvw4aGm6sJS6e3ic0=; b=N4HpHQHy8xbIxtGHE9JsDtkq12iPwPGt6+QiE7WImhq8cIu3bXM59huFOMKrDJhLHC cCi+rPvHtvXoWc9ngVzs+xBrNuVx9peJbTdC2IdkuZg9gcxV9ZaY5bNzseM+A0TLSz40 2f8cX3C0Qnbj+sIxo6FVEHeBCCU37Qejm6crWEGA3pFgaEnuLuy3heWvOctKkPI8cfcr ifdyS5QNXErKrAjmdjK2i2RrNeexWkN+3f5bEVvcIsYhE6kwHycu8XDYqVEKpdy1ImD2 UGMKS9KPLLMiL0/2Fi79+bZpg14X3UKFBaT67Ssz5HBOn6jX8X8/HWbzYLrwFSaTKcEb O08g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaqwjb118S8URdRGn82/b2sKL576C3nN3SBab7FNmeHAwlfHC1J L2UjdRK4kbEYQ9mKG/3cW+r7PgrCzgB16gAlrT1xBw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7G83wwoWstUZlYXiqwbdWiDF+Gt2auaXS7KMYFmY78u1juor8gI8zygZ4VPM2Pcue4wG5PhiEGlJ62kz4/W10= X-Received: by 2002:a05:660c:a8f:: with SMTP id m15mr15816867itk.114.1545944021512; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:53:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a5d:8607:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:53:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Christopher Turkel Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:53:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? To: "vsnsdualce@memeware.net" Cc: Raul Miller , "visionsofalice@redchan.it" , "freebsd-women@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , OpenBSD general usage list , "owner-misc@openbsd.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 913818B54D X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=I3SgLTRB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of turkelchristopher@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::132 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=turkelchristopher@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.25 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.955,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-2.29)[ip: (-8.00), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.86), asn: 15169(-1.50), country: US(-0.08)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:53:43 -0000 This whole discussion is best served elsewhere. On Thursday, December 27, 2018, wrote: > Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > programmers. > > Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by virtue > of being "smarts"? > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I do > know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a programmer > too... but for something useful... like games :) ) > > Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, Linux > is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report on how I'm > wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. > > Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. > > It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades > said: he's full of shit. > > Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. > > The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one of > them could shake the tree. > > From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:57:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE391422CED; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EFC08B632; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545944275; bh=PDArw3eCKrgBPn3Du2da92DBo+ZezoXuDe42llF0hQM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=GqzG4yVjyvoaG/mriKkLP4VARTnTgJZ9LVYGHQM9lsyp/z1O2Pie+bosmCnir7JPS c6IpDx2wRsKvvKJd6l4PyhFNAPWjxN+PgbmQvquCOylNF/8qYf9y/j7tWlY8PPWLV1 3fDvfFpm2xM7HsiJsXMhFf11OMt4qawR8oLhlTuqLT/9qxeVo8e1MvFZuFeS56xt6R Y3xSdkQJkw/JbHrke/BpfXAI23tGc7v05tn+YrIg78SBRnbDvzaM3ie94XWiEmAVNE gj3zxMygHArMBE2mdoqtw8IMhEOhuKHqVmDKC+u+LyiDRZzBTcgsJFmMKPseWslvyy OSIL7vcHNGzRA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:55 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Paul Stuffins Cc: owner-misc@openbsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , Raul Miller , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, visionsofalice@redchan.it, owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2EFC08B632 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=GqzG4yVj; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.68)[asn: 200651(-3.31), country: SC(-0.08)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.450,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:59 -0000 Waiting quietly for two months for Eben Moglen's preliminary write-up (which I was to be sent to "correct") got me no-where. Every seems to have concluded that the issue is settled since there was no more public discussion. All the "other side" said was "nuh-uh" and "you're not a lawyer" (false: I am) and "you deserve to be in prison , isn't practicing law without a license a crime!" (I have a license), and "I'm sure RMS would have made sure the license was not revocable" (he required everyone to sign over their copyright to his foundation... guess why...). Along with "This Artistic License Case decided the AL was not a contract, it was simply a copyright license!! SO THERE!!" (AL is not the GPL... but... the finding in that case helps me, why are you citing it?). (They wisely did not cite the printer driver case where the court looked at the offer to do (paying) business and decided that their was an offer and acceptance based on that other additional writing... since that one isn't on point at all except for the fact that one of the options in that writing was a choice of a GPL licensed work if you didn't want to pay a commercial fee. (The contract there was the other writing giving the option: Pay and get more rights, don't pay and here's the GPL), so at-least there's that.) Being nice did nothing but harm the case of the truth in the eyes of the people however. The guys on the DNG list (Steve Litt I believe) are the ones that want me jailed... On 2018-12-27 20:37, Paul Stuffins wrote: >> Are you idiots aware > Insulting people is not the right way to get your point across! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 21:04:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5727114232CF; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcstrauth@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 536548BBAE; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 21:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcstrauth@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id z5so19346051wrt.11; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ltTdqN5XKgHrPntE41fhkVdka+E0uVpscX8aaLxjCIs=; b=c+EZdv2KhauSI9B0PkJMrs7gs20XnILdJQ7kKyjf5qKpOLfYXviXkTd9yjs2+IxGh3 xKmJy5eMdJF4Hhv1Oz94aGKyEjLxjG/VwC7gHSEkdk+7dyxl4tRTyzbPEzDbUvixImlk Mc1Fs1Zy1ZpVSIMjvACRGs1LDaHTpLosz10EDxFPvWF43V5d4No3fX9v/HUHblV0hPEq RYnGNRzxgvuAR6XsZK0dPtQeqzGxofp7lvNxmkr3ge+0TLIw60N5IY0Gdqm79eDU9Uvk yg5XHVXTa4g0ahGdUkUabeauibs6oLvNP/3jkieKhy1Xc21v1k5zFIWhii6yMsp+CwEQ 9cBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ltTdqN5XKgHrPntE41fhkVdka+E0uVpscX8aaLxjCIs=; b=ghLCAWd2iV7AF7mYX72LRE8bZR+bW0uHiRdOCYQrW+4MUDDv/fauc5fjLvbn+kk49O gONn4gbhwNIet0CR0hS+GLbU7YBfyGf4I0a6/4iSGLQoNtYIuJkiTAFPyGOQ34VR6fyI /Ge8jQhcfMsOf94I4UNCr3zErKfmN5Uv2JKTH7B5dbCUhQTnYyGto1rQhVk2DDd7Fopp kjuktSIXxvCl4z7Hehe2+4Im3aM18b3wHUB00UT218+qJwmFMC5+QKCBI6GemQC91s1F BjGXhffa3/DaJpYehYQ6nEphfgldXcin34mD4ZT0uCTva3MOgbxxGsSoTHnZIOL8lZyc Q3FQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukfpBcC1Ew5vlRubOVjqt3DPZJHTu0P9jmS3GDHsuLo7ZyURylX2 MhkRAAg+C5m4JoT/8eXw0Ig+DmQMV4dIdjAz9UQz7A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN515WZzMv0Eos/+CEuBdCKJ4HyqHdK73Wv7VxUC02IU91AjJNUGd1u/05pR8ux4nO74fGXJ10oPXmoah6GmUZA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:410e:: with SMTP id l14mr23334435wrp.61.1545944692125; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 13:04:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Loginov Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:04:39 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? To: BonOnlines@gmail.com Cc: vsnsdualce@memeware.net, owner-misc@openbsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , Raul Miller , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, visionsofalice@redchan.it X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 536548BBAE X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=c+EZdv2K; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mcstrauth@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::433 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mcstrauth@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.55 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.975,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.56)[ip: (-9.50), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.73), asn: 15169(-1.50), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 21:04:54 -0000 What is going on here? It seems to me, that I have to stop using my lovely, my the best and my other such the words FreeBSD. Why should I stop? Because of theese stupid, totally political, totally bullshits! Does the FreeBSD dying under those "modern=E2=80=9D tolerancy? I= t was the best system, I really love it. But, what the hell is going on here right now? Is it the end of FreeBSD? You really got ready to kill it on behalth to all this stupid tolerancy and other such the bullshit? But why? Just tell me, why should You like to kill Your the best for the worst? You are IT specialists. You are, probably, the only intelligence on this planet. May be, the only in Universe. What are You doing? Just ask Yourselfe, what are You doing right now. =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA. 2018 =D0=B3., 23:49 Bon Onlines bononl= ines@gmail.com: > Are you aware we are in the end of year holidays? I recommend you to > not call others as an idiot, as the only idiot here are you ;) > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:31 PM wrote: > > > > Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > > > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > > programmers. > > > > Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by > > virtue of being "smarts"? > > > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I > > do know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a > > programmer too... but for something useful... like games :) ) > > > > Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, > > Linux is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report > > on how I'm wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. > > > > Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. > > > > It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades > > said: he's full of shit. > > > > Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. > > > > The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one > > of them could shake the tree. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 22:54:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24D61425D2E; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 22:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at) Received: from esgaroth.tuxoid.at (esgaroth.petrovitsch.at [78.47.184.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "esgaroth.petrovitsch.priv.at", Issuer "CAcert Class 3 Root" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A598FA5B; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 22:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at) Received: from thorin.petrovitsch.priv.at (80-110-99-3.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at [80.110.99.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by esgaroth.tuxoid.at (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBRLs4Cv020614 (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Dec 2018 22:54:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? To: vsnsdualce@memeware.net, Raul Miller Cc: visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: From: Bernd Petrovitsch Message-ID: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 22:53:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-URT-Metrics: esgaroth.tuxoid.at 1060; Body=8 Fuz1=8 Fuz2=8 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at esgaroth.tuxoid.at X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines * 2.5 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on esgaroth.tuxoid.at X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 15A598FA5B X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at designates 78.47.184.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.935,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petrovitsch.priv.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.184.47.78.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[esgaroth.petrovitsch.at]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.68)[-0.684,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.46)[ipnet: 78.46.0.0/15(0.16), asn: 24940(-2.43), country: DE(-0.01)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[3.99.110.80.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 22:54:17 -0000 On 27/12/2018 21:30, vsnsdualce@memeware.net wrote: Real name pls, if want to be taken somewhat serious? Thank you. > Why is no one discussing this anymore. You don't discuss anything in the first place: You just spam mails with claims without any reproducible proof. And since we are here on a techie-list, said proofs should be techie-understandable - it's not that techies adjust to non-techies if it goes in the other direction. > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from "Proof by claim"? I don't think so .... > Are you idiots [...] > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer[...] > > Are you idiots [...] Interesting "qualities" of communication are apparently in order for (alleged) lawyers in your part of the world. MfG, Bernd PS: Sry for feeding the troll- won't happen anymore, it's only spam after all ... -- Bernd Petrovitsch Email : bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at LUGA : http://www.luga.at From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 13:57:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6977814398F8; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 13:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tytso@mit.edu) Received: from NAM04-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr690124.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.69.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA3858BC69; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 13:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tytso@mit.edu) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=430MaAxJLp8pGCFEWoYhf6+WBidCR98xBgF+vT3iMaI=; b=P2WuwNq2RmBh3+9YDEd9FtbtJ8JqbhurWWDFZj0BjtDMK0gUp/TaY1DeO6Nkc6bbfA7JKTq1Llk/2JdXCIr0td1KHtogqCAKGoA7JHRWYhEA535CpYuAiPf9Bl+uiM9REQdcJJbhlN2ptGuA0fzuAQazNEKgM1YvyBF47Kh4Y+w= Received: from SN6PR0102CA0007.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10b6:805:1::20) by DM5PR0102MB3319.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10b6:4:9e::22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1471.20; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 13:57:35 +0000 Received: from CO1NAM03FT014.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:f400:7e48::209) by SN6PR0102CA0007.outlook.office365.com (2603:10b6:805:1::20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1471.20 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 13:57:35 +0000 Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of mit.edu designates 18.9.28.11 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=18.9.28.11; helo=outgoing.mit.edu; Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (18.9.28.11) by CO1NAM03FT014.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.80.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1471.13 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 13:57:33 +0000 Received: from callcc.thunk.org ([12.43.240.133]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id wBSDvTi2012311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:57:29 -0500 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 0D0447A490B; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:57:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:57:28 -0500 From: "Theodore Y. 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RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mit.edu]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[mit.edu.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.11.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[124.69.107.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.89)[ipnet: 40.64.0.0/10(-2.28), asn: 8075(-2.11), country: US(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 13:57:39 -0000 +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:. | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' | Thank you, | ( (_) ) | Management | /`-vvv-'\ +-------------------+ / \ | | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \ | | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ @x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW \||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__ \||/ | | | (______Y______) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ================================================================== I recommend that people not respond to vsnsdualce@memeware.net, visionsofalice@redchan.it, and in general, any e-mail coming from domains served by the cock.li service (which comes from the IP address 185.100.85.212). As you can tell if you go to its web page, this mailer serves the following domains: cock.li, airmail.cc, 8chan.co, redchan.it, 420blaze.it, aaathats3as.com, cumallover.me, dicksinhisan.us, loves.dicksinhisan.us, wants.dicksinhisan.us, dicksinmyan.us, loves.dicksinmyan.us, wants.dicksinmyan.us, goat.si, horsefucker.org, national.shitposting.agency, nigge.rs, tfwno.gf, cock.lu, cock.email, firemail.cc, getbackinthe.kitchen, memeware.net, cocaine.ninja, waifu.club, rape.lol, and nuke.africa This has been a public service announcement. "Never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 14:51:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3E9143AE0D for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hello@robertdherb.com) Received: from smtp120.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (smtp120.iad3b.emailsrvr.com [146.20.161.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D2818D59F for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hello@robertdherb.com) Received: from smtp16.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp16.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC8F0C0271; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=robertdherb.com; s=20180908-vjnn7h7o; t=1546008665; bh=B7cJ/AV2N5i4U1vMfncDsh8acN9UR0vDG5nbwiy7gow=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=sIFIZnyea6ir/sqmhlLqEqlk8ZoFyS6zv8iUJwXvzkUZgXfXthJ0LyA0P8/klPkLo ZL5aqwKVtwUxbTaIp+rdJFurticI1zWVop86qEqSb+ORTBL5Lk21dR7DGhSsD7+VDJ N/TlWszFNw+D3Pr8FZ4oGNAAFE/PB7vSs8STqeOA= X-Auth-ID: hello@robertdherb.com Received: by smtp16.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: hello-AT-robertdherb.com) with ESMTPSA id 27101C0165; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: hello@robertdherb.com Received: from mail.outlook.com ([UNAVAILABLE]. [52.125.129.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA256) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12); Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:51:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:51:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Robbie Herb To: Bon Onlines , Bernd Petrovitsch , "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Cc: OpenBSD general usage list , Raul Miller , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, owner-misc@openbsd.org Message-ID: <9C959320E4DE136C.c63975ac-6a43-4506-83d9-0b2d18768d69@mail.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> References: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Outlook for iOS and Android X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7D2818D59F X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=robertdherb.com header.s=20180908-vjnn7h7o header.b=sIFIZnye; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hello@robertdherb.com designates 146.20.161.120 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hello@robertdherb.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[robertdherb.com:s=20180908-vjnn7h7o]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:146.20.161.0/25]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[robertdherb.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[robertdherb.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.emailsrvr.com,mx2.emailsrvr.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[120.161.20.146.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; IP_SCORE(-0.97)[ipnet: 146.20.0.0/16(-1.39), asn: 27357(-3.37), country: US(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:27357, ipnet:146.20.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:51:13 -0000 Would it be possible to blacklist those domains? I was wondering that from the first mail in this thread. Memeware.net obviously rings of some chan website getting riled up about the CoC again. Sent from phone. On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:58 AM -0600, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" wrote: +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:. | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' | Thank you, | ( (_) ) | Management | /`-vvv-'\ +-------------------+ / \ | | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \ | | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ @x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW \||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__ \||/ | | | (______Y______) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ================================================================== I recommend that people not respond to vsnsdualce@memeware.net, visionsofalice@redchan.it, and in general, any e-mail coming from domains served by the cock.li service (which comes from the IP address 185.100.85.212). As you can tell if you go to its web page, this mailer serves the following domains: cock.li, airmail.cc, 8chan.co, redchan.it, 420blaze.it, aaathats3as.com, cumallover.me, dicksinhisan.us, loves.dicksinhisan.us, wants.dicksinhisan.us, dicksinmyan.us, loves.dicksinmyan.us, wants.dicksinmyan.us, goat.si, horsefucker.org, national.shitposting.agency, nigge.rs, tfwno.gf, cock.lu, cock.email, firemail.cc, getbackinthe.kitchen, memeware.net, cocaine.ninja, waifu.club, rape.lol, and nuke.africa This has been a public service announcement. "Never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 16:55:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9311419B86; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04D44917C5; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546016104; bh=SvMJUa+8mncB6JN5eu6UjS/uj2HkwVGnO7hjGKk0pEg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=UUXhOtz+zKmP4JITAxfgcALGhp99OT6hA0oKWQWR+ghHkfSU4agTxro2aU2mzgubY o7LElLkNohw3Wp7sqImKtUF9u7OAti4+a9KJ7c2PWS1NK7K2N8leDtiDx0YFdELJpU qBDiZgoRXtk9kBXr6aX4sT0rBUYtkEhgRPHXJpkDcuIpJD3/J2VqIkbyW11X5USunn jXdlGB8gA7SRz4WcxDSSqF2iVzEldgfd/CTWCu5rsWkmBkvoAk2nlkq3e2Ub9+8Ibq XljnZchLi+qThwWkdLj8LB6Kyn2+zyjbHvr0DuQw76GIX9fnE67uFyXpg6UlMEgO5x f2ZCe/C29QR6w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:02 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Bernd Petrovitsch Cc: Raul Miller , visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? In-Reply-To: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> References: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> Message-ID: <9fb6feaad76dca5342b55c4c17618075@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 04D44917C5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=UUXhOtz+; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.66)[asn: 200651(-3.20), country: SC(-0.08)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.581,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:09 -0000 > Real name pls, if want to be taken somewhat serious? Thank you. So where my logic cannot be attacked, my person may be instead? Do you think me a fool, simply because you do not know what you do not know (the law), yet think you do (an attribute of many programmers: know one field, know them all!)? I've explained the law again and again. But here it goes: Under the copyright statute, copyrighted works are alienable in all the ways property is. You can sell, transfer, and license etc. Copyright comes into existence the moment your work is placed in a fix form. The copyright is owned by the progenitor (you the programmer) until such time as you transfer it (ex: to an employee by way of employment agreement stating such terms), or you die (now your descendants own the rights), or you or your descendants elect to use the "claw-back" provisions in the US copyright act some decades after the work was fixed. You, both BSD programmers, and Linux kernel programmers have elected to neither sell nor transfer in other ways your copyrights. Instead you have chosen to license your works. A license is a temporary grant. Under property law it can be rescinded when the property owner wishes to do so. Unless, the property owner has been payed to forgo that right. That is: if the property owner has been payed by the licensee to promise that he will not rescind the license, then if the property owner elects to rescind the license the court may estop the property owner from doing so because the licensee has payed the owner FOR that right. Equivalent exchange, if you will. (But the court does not look to if the consideration was... equivalent, just that there was an exchange of some consideration (read: money, goods, services) and a meeting of the minds (both parties ment to do this)) In the case of most linux and BSD licensees nothing has been payed by them to the programmers(you the copyright holders) to induce a forbearance of the underlying rights of the property owners. Thus the original default rights still stand. You can rescind at will. Additionally, you have never promised that you would forego the utilization of your property rights, so there is no promise anyone could reasonably rely upon to estop you from utilizing said rights. Additionally, Licensee "E" did not pay you for that non-existent promise either. You are not bound. You may rescind. You now know why the FSF requires programmers to assign all copyrights to it. You now know why Eben Moglen remains silent these last two months. I am correct, yes I am a lawyer, and yes anything he speaks further would simply show the weaknesses in his (magnanimously) taken position in trying to fool the Programmers into thinking they have forfeited rights they have not. On 2018-12-27 21:53, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > On 27/12/2018 21:30, vsnsdualce@memeware.net wrote: > > Real name pls, if want to be taken somewhat serious? Thank you. > >> Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > You don't discuss anything in the first place: You just spam mails with > claims without any reproducible proof. > And since we are here on a techie-list, said proofs should be > techie-understandable - it's not that techies adjust to non-techies if > it goes in the other direction. > >> It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > > "Proof by claim"? I don't think so .... > >> Are you idiots [...] >> >> Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer[...] >> >> Are you idiots [...] > > Interesting "qualities" of communication are apparently in order for > (alleged) lawyers in your part of the world. > > MfG, > Bernd > > PS: Sry for feeding the troll- won't happen anymore, it's only spam > after all ... From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 17:18:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C676141A8D9; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F174992558; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PLING_QUERY,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546017483; bh=IdPQt51gv8ChUW9pxoKSHF0orDdvuiNByTVC000A3yE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BvPE8jGcxqctkz4ftDIXTs+WUapi7NmKXt8VBA0+6k1N1ksX3t6hwFKcodSz/ZNFd femqJzQPgbSjtc7W7qs30ZkMlWsOJ+jflSV2sM4vZyfEUK+R2seKIiw6iqmgSqXOP2 dGH/+4n0K1/GcpG3U8xLfhgSBrhDa9XcUQS0plY4LAOq+B3EyKIq5lmkOrhrbvuov1 unM5wp8lCBTwPfp1vIRqifbaamOVb5jIzbemUxuIB0etuQ4Z70sz51+zNDC6d1Jza7 tIHi0X1nsfKrQdpU3dVPJDFcB0KF9Wp0xjNspc4EsHjwfyOB0sN1qYOKQlP9n6Ir6x y+wCylnxRxLyg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:02 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: A lawyer?! In-Reply-To: <20181225125003.AE26C171A0745@cock.li> References: <20181225125003.AE26C171A0745@cock.li> Message-ID: <7deb937b392f2a2d2f71af9f13960d67@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F174992558 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=BvPE8jGc; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.498,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.67)[asn: 200651(-3.27), country: SC(-0.08)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:08 -0000 Your initial argument, as I imagine you ment to communicate (a single negation, rather than the double negation you proffered) hits a snag: I am a licensed attorney. > "You ain't no lawyer, buddy" Your double negatives speak the truth: I am a licensed attorney. > "you're a clueless halfwit" I'm sure my intellect is half that of someone somewhere. > "clueless" Incorrect, I have informed you of the law, and my analysis is correct. > the likes of which I've seen innumerable times in my years with Linux Many lawyers perhaps begged the linux copyright holders to stop playing fast and loose with the law and their licensing regime. Their advice, of-course, was rejected, and their patches rejected by linus. One attempted patch (the GPLv3) very publicly so. > I'd ask when you're planning on moving out of your mom's basement, but, > really, we already know the answer to that: never. I notice that the nobles of europe, those that were not murdered, are still in the possession of their inherited lands, while you americans are poor as you constantly divide you wealth in your quest to be "real men". (You also murder anyone who likes cute young girls, in that same quest). > I'd tall you to grow up, but that ship has clearly sailed. I'm quite tall already. Enjoy your wage slave life though :) While you were slaving away, being a MhrrAhhN I attended law school, graduated, acquired my license, studied more, programmed videogames, studied more, built 3d architecture, studied more, did RL architecture, studied more, etc. And had parties every other week with my friends. While you pursued the goals of a real man. On 2018-12-25 12:50, fuck@fuckyou.net wrote: > Hahahahahaha! You ain't no lawyer, buddy -- you're a clueless > halfwit, the likes of which I've seen innumerable times in my years > with Linux. The Libertarian/Men's Rights morons who circle jerk > themselves to no end over on r/TheDonald. I'd ask when you're > planning on moving out of your mom's basement, but, really, we already > know the answer to that: never. > > I'd tall you to grow up, but that ship has clearly sailed. From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 17:22:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961B7141AC12; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rauldmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F7492A5F; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rauldmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id x10so21450695wrs.8; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+rvCtPeRPDqyQ6ai24Una5bw4CbIuQwxHLxifH7vXUM=; b=YgRdj4qjy7dC5heZGNN+hy6yB6NZLablko+HP88d3MbLls0NLdYA90kcyNW/W/Rqcr AQ4RJ4m/Y4w8jqUpk88JeXHJTwjvphU7HqjgrU6oh8Uy4jn5ZhCX6PhD/umjt55JSqLW uK53GYTa3zO9JcBTFKaW6YQzYxAo+rHPD6LEuTWwbzLbO6FS7eA9lHzCBscv5tQosMZI 3B2IRHJLAK/bdh4DIPQjFdS/uaK/UqGXmnq58zcjXH71vQoUnHNvW/U6dnJrExOJzJmA 1kfWI1ooK23qmf4GdhMVU+OsPGe2A8s9qZMpxsAzZ1OWiMBLCpp/1pIMaf26Nr1Ju+83 fhMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+rvCtPeRPDqyQ6ai24Una5bw4CbIuQwxHLxifH7vXUM=; b=RYOMV1v8sAB/f82zjpr5J7ZRnI9BnQt6oemxBHSvBar8Io6cKticAI6V1FNQlGBrBO IttaSITSCtNF6W/RCGNs4XaCq9GXLmTrOmqFbeeq0YcGmWzeuVUw42yiuumyPx+Rlr6u VwuHwg6CPoBDA9Xw1HPdkWT3d3YYTHsGx2n2xKJtILKEt1WX+NhiFYGfVqD+XGSHBeIv wuVoag0tG+OvNfCwoCz5ra6oWt34x/SXWNXF+Cc5I4ESDyqaeFktkcLK3e/ljYql0OrK tjsHwEyt6i4LFUr515pJxUS/VgkWHYgOMNJ7ShCE87acuevfO+POWTpgd6qEn5vYTZrv qTFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukdKr4jcU3Uj7K4/bFElRZ/ysTt4sAmyBHUJdNXAPCr99b9tjgYQ 4Qw/WcIHDDeVJ2j7BPng4MYTQBK2H9xXgsVJGUo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN41GnVQZGELwmBwZbNZmIxNkmLQLRa9/7+X4rA53wFZiwyfOueedLwsEXtvSNXzYJq2E1uwl3/ltBtxmVXAy0A= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e149:: with SMTP id f9mr28162316wri.42.1546017764072; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 09:22:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <238e9be2bb4751406260ebdc7686ef54@redchan.it> <673b3e733204be78710280893ccc350d@memeware.net> In-Reply-To: <673b3e733204be78710280893ccc350d@memeware.net> From: Raul Miller Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:22:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor. To: vsnsdualce@memeware.net Cc: visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2F7492A5F X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=YgRdj4qj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rauldmiller@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rauldmiller@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(-2.53)[ip: (-9.32), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.76), asn: 15169(-1.52), country: US(-0.08)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.76)[-0.759,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:22:46 -0000 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:12 PM wrote: > ... pompous programmer asshole*. I think you are projecting your own personality in your perception of others (which is a natural thing to do - everyone does that to some degree). That said, I am going to filter your messages to my spam bucket from now on. Have fun, -- Raul From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 17:44:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1BA141B240 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499819323F for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PLING_QUERY,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546019080; bh=s0zqPFsYY8ec9E1esg0nCucoUNGApeXUsz9yw9aWrkc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jYnm4T5+CUd91SDM+7iwPoDkKas38E9Yq/kJZ22n04hMyLHwr3D6hC4O0Ec3hCw+G aPdDf3CPDcIzJsGjwRfWG5HPGN7jdaXD/JpC6g4T+mLoSmIEv4ENhwV5RBW5WAO9l0 pEpok+M489EZjEe8EJBPQP7C7MS9vBD3J8cQXKDpv2f+xSKGO6/KKuLayiPfk6CK8d molj6M4DNL4E9XYr8uyXO/7v0HnE5YeWOBeCn5+pT67S9hKwJU4LSobco4aKRZTFbS vM9dpfrFLqZylOfRZTvkFnJpy5pY6ot/rBuu2zjMQ/I4nKK3LlnexWUihdhvSqX9z+ /o9LYipUhfLwg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:39 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? - Attack the messaging rely, not the message! In-Reply-To: <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> References: <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> Message-ID: <16c47a7eeadd301e3fafec9369e23b23@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 499819323F X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=jYnm4T5+; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.58 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.28)[ip: (-8.60), ipnet: 185.100.84.0/23(-4.30), asn: 200651(-3.41), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:43 -0000 Lieutenant Ts'o: I see that you have adopted the strategy of "Attack the messaging service, not the message". You cannot refute my arguments, you and yours simply claim "it's a lie", "it's BS!", "it's a troll". The fact of the matter is: a license without an interest attached is revocable by the grantor. That is: if you have not been paid to forgo your right to rescind, you still retain that right. In the case of Linux or BSD: if entity X did not pay you, and did not reasonably rely on a promise not to rescind (a promise you never made), you can rescind the license at any time. This goes for all the 1000s of linux and BSD programmers who have not transferred their rights. Yes I am a licensed attorney. Yes my analysis is correct. And yes I'm still waiting on Eben Moglen's promised counter-analysis (it's been 2 months)... take a guess as to why. On 2018-12-28 13:57, Theodore Y. 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You get dirty, and besides, the pig > likes it." - George Bernard Shaw From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 18:01:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D57141B685; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 18:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vnsndalce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C869939D8; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 18:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vnsndalce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546020059; bh=BgvgL1XSBuwpJGazIBPIWF/mZTDnA0TV/CSrPDr/ivI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=Sc0sEYTgFv6Ny50sakMWehV5WKA218e2G5iXGBWzJm1LBYXjFkfAz6Xjp+c9GU2rY OWjx5o4I9zpwvxFxFnluFKAwLlb/9EUVkOZaax4BiCyrrLjlFxJlyrXkQH+tA1DObJ 7nTmnjTqE8TXKearCxYeqKB7jTLCXUvf+8JRoKnZuaNIEBJWNSZpL8n3q+5mUygWTP qIP+xrtdrEEc6GB3mItvYPwiLEWUxhL8YwqI5AkI/O4GWwZdiRP7h6qQRWXSIwVICa nMjPemQTsN4L2VgAMc9VN/+RIFGZXJgHVapPTGMiY+3KRHM1TBfHSWguY0fnNwuP5v EXmvvYR13ms/g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 18:00:58 +0000 From: vnsndalce@memeware.net To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, centos@centos.org Subject: A license is a temporary grant, not a transfer. 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Do you imagine that the goal is to "blanket rescind all licenses using the GPLv2 verbiage"? Is that it? Are you that stupid a lay person? The guy who owns the property grants the license. Understand? He can rescind that license whenever he wishes, unless you pay him not to, or he promises not to and you reasonably rely on that promise. (did you pay for that promise? is it reasonable for you to rely on?). Did each of the linux programmers make such a promise to you? No they did not. Did you pay each of the linux programmers anything. No you did not. They can rescind the license from you. Understand? A license is a temporary grant, it is not a transfer. From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 19:11:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FCB141F53E for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 19:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from silver.bullet@zoho.com) Received: from sender-pp-092.zoho.com (sender-pp-092.zoho.com [135.84.80.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE6E696684 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 19:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from silver.bullet@zoho.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1546024258; cv=none; d=zoho.com; s=zohoarc; b=IzgNKvWR9cwz7UZ5S2LXgnIcBz+g8bcgWfD8Ww6+Xi1f2KnbWaYxU3EnT5sJq/mNe8Eqzo3c9mw9xRb4XaMMF8gWJQ0+5o0kYIphJbRs8SdSJSz9fTi8UBoIe/69rh2qLlIKnH4S1Ei6GYktV+Gpg3xSwFuRXZqsTP2H+Zs4Zb0= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zoho.com; s=zohoarc; t=1546024258; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To:ARC-Authentication-Results; bh=npcAzuX9t922NSLvDzOVY4cdmZeTw410X+7PQL/bwmg=; b=JIstfVQg+7xj1Bv0WesryFyxbmrfhpThGn3P4A5oBffG42PdYrhpZjKt7MQr+ChmjwHQIwsO3AXrod/JsJE48IE2xDaxGcxUxpcNPq3thndxXI51uCDjh+OG0srycNmkOCzbtoUeTyMt3HWN/ml3PDx7kvFSeTHzL3U16kDAvy0= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zoho.com; dkim=pass header.i=zoho.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=silver.bullet@zoho.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= Received: from utnubu (x5d855d8e.dyn.telefonica.de [93.133.93.142]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1546024257273275.02462473225455; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 11:10:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 20:10:55 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? Message-ID: <20181228201055.0f968984@utnubu> In-Reply-To: <9C959320E4DE136C.c63975ac-6a43-4506-83d9-0b2d18768d69@mail.outlook.com> References: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> <9C959320E4DE136C.c63975ac-6a43-4506-83d9-0b2d18768d69@mail.outlook.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BE6E696684 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.05 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:135.84.80.192/26]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[zoho.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zoho.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[zoho.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtpin.zoho.com,smtpin3.zoho.com,smtpin2.zoho.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.918,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[142.93.133.93.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[zoho.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[zoho.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.63)[ipnet: 135.84.80.0/24(-4.59), asn: 2639(-3.50), country: US(-0.08)]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zoho.com:s=default]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2639, ipnet:135.84.80.0/24, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[237.80.84.135.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 19:11:11 -0000 On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 14:51:04 +0000 (UTC), Robbie Herb wrote: >Would it be possible to blacklist those domains? I was wondering that >from the first mail in this thread. This is my first and last reply regarding this topic. This troll sends this kind of spam to more mailing lists, than "just" those BSD and the Linux kernel lists we see in the headers here. I've noticed it at e.g. an Ubuntu mailing list, too. At one or the other mailing list, a list admin might not maintain the mailing list during festive season and several subscribers retrieve mails less often than usual, so instead getting one by one, they get tons of them at once, since an untrained spam filter can't work. However, 1. there are lists of those and other disposable-email-domains on git hub or similar sources available. 2. I'm not using such a list, but after reading half of the first sentence of one of the first mails from this spammer, a single mouse click to teach bogofilter was enough to get rid of all following emails immediately, excepted of replies to this malicious grinch. It is intended by this person to do it during festive season. We need to stand that this is an unfortunate moment to maintain spam filters and mailing lists. It gets even more worth, if people reply to those mindless mails. I can't understand that anybody takes the time to read more than one sentence, let alone to reply to it.