From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:28:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE29AEB4D9C for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69A074F8C for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C2615EB4D9A; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EC5EB4D99; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62DC374F8B; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV0SXma078435; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV0SWFO078434; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: To: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) CC: Michael Zhilin , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:42 -0000 > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally came > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o loss > of functionality. Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons comments. > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am I > missing? > > Warner > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin wrote: > > > Hi Warner, > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be kept > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to be > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > Thank you! > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before the > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > >> memory, very old) > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@. > >> > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > >> ports > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on these > >> boards anymore. > >> > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer running > >> on > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > >> Warner > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:34:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604FBEB5442 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423EE7574A for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3E41BEB543F; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D941EB543E; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.blih.net", Issuer "mail.blih.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3024D75749; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0ddfdc19; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:34:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; s=mail; bh=k9QrJf 8sK6p3xN3cMCQzqUba/GE=; b=m4lNbuytKAjfMuhj5GkKLHPrpyHcsT2SziHhrV pI+nbk9PUy0Ap5rGtizes4IeTiZxOO8ltsJcimBPouvYh9Qbxe1wJeMvtCKmZ/Dn Zw/zU0z6BVU18aV7C7Dy6LLpmZu20aTnGPN0VcQCJa6/ogDxum40wOJu6jE089F6 dNi/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; q=dns; s=mail; b= ssMW25s0KLM3K/BP4QSGnECVR+Qyja5bQ6YY4oZSiiJ/l5KEmRgEE/oZhkfbI3z/ u6c3QO6uBxuW8CARBraAyr+anyNBXtyYzypv0o7nk/BTcIuQ5N0BOEX3JhLuQQCc YZR/xH+eqRFUbaFNJ5JB+Dec/+y7A5A/QUNykKPkbFc= Received: from webmail.megadrive.org (www1.blih.net [212.83.177.180]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f217f2bc; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:34:22 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:34:22 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Warner Losh , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , freebsd-mips@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Organization: Bidouilliste In-Reply-To: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: manu@bidouilliste.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 -0000 On 2017-12-31 01:28, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When >> last I >> tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally >> came >> with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> >> mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o >> loss >> of functionality. > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > comments. Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about this. If you cannot read mail please read code, the compat data in https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/mips/mediatek/mtk_soc.c?revision=317873&view=markup#l55 tell me that sys/mips/mediatek support this SoC. > >> I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to >> support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch >> of >> errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What >> am I >> missing? >> >> Warner >> >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Warner, >> > >> > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be kept >> > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from >> > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to be >> > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with >> > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> > >> > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> > >> > Thank you! >> > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. >> > >> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before the >> >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> >> >> >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack >> >> memory, very old) >> >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> >> >> >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@. >> >> >> >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older >> >> ports >> >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on these >> >> boards anymore. >> >> >> >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer running >> >> on >> >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> >> >> >> Warner >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> -- Emmanuel Vadot From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:34:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE29EB5529 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD7B75942 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 390A6EB5526; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359C3EB5525 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x230.google.com (mail-it0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9E747593B for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x230.google.com with SMTP id c16so10038172itc.5 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:34:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=7LCy3dKR+UC1L35XMRws9UqtE4JvzdBjd9vI5vMc0lU=; b=po7WUDP4Eftf64WNaXaBO5RHyr87V4Q80UQlrDB/YpUTb0B0pibB6aUj2O0YZQdCal kr8IlEQsiXPrlUSfHfXyGRbu5NliZ4oa20q8d7aP5hHZzQ4dirbI+ki62z1VGwQC442e gxmDZk6+ZBVyGTQVypJWV08TLttOenRaVSZdYui2EhApLspB5bJMrQxCjlH9jpMOvTBY 8WZIOJXprs9TGwQOjQlKPmmUCLATSpj95PvQ8x9YCyPPCs9JZWyviJSSd/+mcqHqrGYt XUFuQOjYAn08b9R95LYZioEZkSVEowIWtjTt/Q9vU8kN19j3JcuwyHr1LaTSe6ZKqwrF 3o0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7LCy3dKR+UC1L35XMRws9UqtE4JvzdBjd9vI5vMc0lU=; b=ZFhla5xBk8kl2NQbEG6Yj9f6g2n2c3B12AkckEfcXwNVibfdgsI8Szjup8pW8NPlJo 3c2PVkj2chAPj/5Jle4YwmppDwxVyfEvjfo7FW2O7uXON46f7p2Kq7V12lkFBNG4IFRb TTUvNJDJrOOL8Jv2lPmPyOzcfRnFO9tEoOJRRh319ABgleYkelhtCZjxpIFW+XQIYHzo hEahLYo59jnnhr7ibhLt+C8qPFUIfFR+3vNKopetMdtV2Dh50lY0Px3SWHpgVLMxaQ3+ dG7cm7QMYSFbs0pUqhz9dGJxw2oMYi8xjKRwiT0cc8vssIUyMT+3/c69gSGJLX3sMGeT /Mzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIK4xAk4780EVm6a8nkVfA7pgdx5fOLn2wGLUIxtQJHO5F5FctR ei9Bnh/bgPu0hh9ju1frb8tasZGJSmXaBWqJc8Ewh5pV X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovLkI1fYEi2eT5ePutNBe8pPB0mcA8qFBH5dMTQwwt8j/ln4ouXnyf9Zud87XG1WIBURNGxukM2EU+PyRXy7dI= X-Received: by 10.36.77.143 with SMTP id l137mr51173337itb.50.1514680488144; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:34:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:34:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:34:47 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KiRh1mix1LK1t3KgsbP6Vou9dmY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Michael Zhilin , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 -0000 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > came > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > loss > > of functionality. > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > comments. That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and we've arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email asking for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my interpretation is correct. Warner > > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > I > > missing? > > > > Warner > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > wrote: > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > kept > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > to be > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > > > Thank you! > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > family. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > before the > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > >> memory, very old) > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > arch@. > > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > >> ports > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > these > > >> boards anymore. > > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > running > > >> on > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > >> > > >> Warner > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:46:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48267EB5F04 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31749763F5 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2D355EB5F01; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBC7EB5F00; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12462763F4; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV0kLmR078534; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV0kLQ7078533; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: To: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:21 -0800 (PST) CC: Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 -0000 > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > > came > > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > > > > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > > loss > > > of functionality. > > > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > > comments. > > > That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and we've > arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email asking > for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my interpretation > is correct. Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and they may have info on which of the implementations work better, and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > Warner > > > > > > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > > I > > > missing? > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > > kept > > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > > to be > > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > > family. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > before the > > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > >> > > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > > >> memory, very old) > > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > >> > > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > arch@. > > > >> > > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > > >> ports > > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > > these > > > >> boards anymore. > > > >> > > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > running > > > >> on > > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > >> > > > >> Warner > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > > freebsd.org" > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes > > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:04:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EFEEB6DF2; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.blih.net", Issuer "mail.blih.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B08C17771E; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b4f78b76; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:04:49 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; s=mail; bh=o0Jzx6 BPFIyTP44625CknCF+Wqc=; b=gWjU4BHpR5Z/6rEyH6dd/UHlOWs98BKNJDgrhj QbnZVmK7Lww01YnsVfHBLv4/SXY665HDJNdfyNkvtXOfMXiokKMLaGdpsDNShJUk G1NX9+QR+DsAKgp5rTcuoRwxBm4WqZeBBILWjV7ZItP/fQgDeNbTJZLluE/cxFUx E+BLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; q=dns; s=mail; b= XQOES9SLvqrQ2LL/aFVU2NDoJsaOV49MvNrF+b+a2D1EtvC8qYTJG26IuubQ+U64 UBmnF1GY3EHeSJEu4tEBqORRh3crGwa/TPa7BTiA5OU2kCj86g+15jdv3JjCRsWA 3Bf3leanKHb2P/Atz/kN0RlP/E8TbXEYrQRroo/AFCw= Received: from webmail.megadrive.org (www1.blih.net [212.83.177.180]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7dc1514c; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:04:49 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:04:49 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , freebsd-mips@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Organization: Bidouilliste In-Reply-To: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> X-Sender: manu@bidouilliste.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:04:52 -0000 On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally >> > came >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o >> > loss >> > > of functionality. >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >> > comments. >> >> >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and >> we've >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email >> asking >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >> interpretation >> is correct. > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. "router project folks" ? Who are you talking about exactly ? >> Warner >> >> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am >> > I >> > > missing? >> > > >> > > Warner >> > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Warner, >> > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be >> > kept >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is >> > to be >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> > > > >> > > > Thank you! >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your >> > family. >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following >> > before the >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> > > >> >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack >> > > >> memory, very old) >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> > > >> >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to >> > arch@. >> > > >> >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older >> > > >> ports >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on >> > these >> > > >> boards anymore. >> > > >> >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer >> > running >> > > >> on >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> > > >> >> > > >> Warner >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> > freebsd.org" >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Rod Grimes >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> -- Emmanuel Vadot From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:18:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09718EB7A54; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA18A7806D; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV1HvEv078763; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV1HvNi078762; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310117.vBV1HvNi078762@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> To: Emmanuel Vadot Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) CC: Robert Watson , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org, freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:18:01 -0000 > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > >> > came > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > >> > > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > >> > loss > >> > > of functionality. > >> > > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > >> > comments. > >> > >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > >> we've > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > >> asking > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > >> interpretation > >> is correct. > > > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > > "router project folks" ? > > Who are you talking about exactly ? I have now found at least one of the links, the zrouter project, http://zrouter.org/projects/zrouter But someone just recently reported on a mailling list that they had updated that work and pointed someplace else, and that is what I am trying to find. > >> Warner > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > >> > I > >> > > missing? > >> > > > >> > > Warner > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Warner, > >> > > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > >> > kept > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > >> > to be > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > >> > > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > >> > > > > >> > > > Thank you! > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > >> > family. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > >> > before the > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > >> > > >> memory, very old) > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > >> > arch@. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > >> > > >> ports > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > >> > these > >> > > >> boards anymore. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > >> > running > >> > > >> on > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Warner > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> > freebsd.org" > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Rod Grimes > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > -- > Emmanuel Vadot > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:22:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C24EB7FA0; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9220B78477; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV1Mj3Y078794; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV1Mjds078793; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> To: Emmanuel Vadot Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) CC: Robert Watson , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org, freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:22:49 -0000 > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > >> > came > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > >> > > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > >> > loss > >> > > of functionality. > >> > > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > >> > comments. > >> > >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > >> we've > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > >> asking > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > >> interpretation > >> is correct. > > > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > > "router project folks" ? > > Who are you talking about exactly ? And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter > >> Warner > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > >> > I > >> > > missing? > >> > > > >> > > Warner > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Warner, > >> > > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > >> > kept > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > >> > to be > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > >> > > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > >> > > > > >> > > > Thank you! > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > >> > family. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > >> > before the > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > >> > > >> memory, very old) > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > >> > arch@. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > >> > > >> ports > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > >> > these > >> > > >> boards anymore. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > >> > running > >> > > >> on > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Warner > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> > freebsd.org" > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Rod Grimes > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > -- > Emmanuel Vadot > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 02:08:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0925EE80D3D for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD1857AAF6 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id e20so1716055iof.12 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=0sX5xHjpvPKHOcY024tDfyTQtldfL9by52Weto4NXNk=; b=eWeVUQmG8H6hqBveZHAzMTsT+R6KVpsXvNEPs4otmGXqhjM5VCQom3I35T/iKPK04q UdeJqVSjs3axjNrnBMzLaMbI9nmHrtVz/lbJwehrnLc5gfWjErECcxNmu4dhPa6KuP4R jccblX+fDQPrrO91P56ACeCk9K1cFMjA+ZTdOYH1Aa09psK7Nf84UGlgW7SBiAAqjcTa Vy2cLOTzjSHdwdH/VhasD7O3gTLgQJpDfKhUjHW4gX/xg8BZvdlxHOJJilxAVmhqKqXx j5PYj/95YkBrh2N8g7xXKYKv+OevzqU8IlcmahH7+0OwLj1vS8fAME/TjXTVm//x66XD FBmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0sX5xHjpvPKHOcY024tDfyTQtldfL9by52Weto4NXNk=; b=AAxXXP8UG9lYBvC3nTEuI4yDYDdOz69uRNLPy2MTGgcgcyEb0X75Kl78PV6dV3XxC4 3hvD4PII5Wq+LoTt/cbOHWU0O6DNJJ16r0frHfZL5u2YQLhpiqED5yfZLNYwHH30+uHb yuM2YAYPYF81TS7xRTHy96a6QJ97AoISvS69zOSKr0F+FKaTZvqeGk/T2hX+GO9V8o0o e79+0z1V6Fuh6e3Gt+X2YJL5nOUWZ+SApyGAULKQmcDd5uQ/addzjikfH9mkQ/ax5tge h/GMTOoAaonQdIXwSXwCqLTyjGucPyEYa2YDlryjLkG9E7y805lpm+gQtXcTfQW2GoNO uVhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ96bE30NfFYsn0XV+v8W+MeK5RGdZUZf0vnx5gldZ0MV/I0joY 2Kan//f9nNuu1r64SAKTqIrEY5pq7r57+BW75pv9uQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBote8FQ1jCRNpUAdRkTeV8Ibdkzgg1q/DNbB5u3UJK0xQ3UtkK+3PoakkKCqjaKgKsI4Yzp5LbqzzRYJeiROcz4= X-Received: by 10.107.149.5 with SMTP id x5mr45576278iod.136.1514686119938; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:08:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:08:39 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JRajeXuu_JvfJUkxvWnYH4y88FY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Emmanuel Vadot , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:41 -0000 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? > When last I > > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and > generally > > >> > came > > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > >> > > > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be > deleted w/o > > >> > loss > > >> > > of functionality. > > >> > > > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > > >> > comments. > > >> > > >> > > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > > >> we've > > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > > >> asking > > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > > >> interpretation > > >> is correct. > > > > > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > > > > "router project folks" ? > > > > Who are you talking about exactly ? > > And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the > zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff > relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: > https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink > > Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. Warner > > >> Warner > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems > to > > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a > bunch of > > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. > What am > > >> > I > > >> > > missing? > > >> > > > > >> > > Warner > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Warner, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are > to be > > >> > kept > > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, > Mikrotik from > > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), > sibyte is > > >> > to be > > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g > router" with > > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > >> > > > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thank you! > > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > > >> > family. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > >> > before the > > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and > boards lack > > >> > > >> memory, very old) > > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list > to > > >> > arch@. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep > these older > > >> > > >> ports > > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > work on > > >> > these > > >> > > >> boards anymore. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no > longer > > >> > running > > >> > > >> on > > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Warner > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > > >> > freebsd.org" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Rod Grimes > > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > -- > > Emmanuel Vadot > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:42:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2B5EB91AB for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA01779205 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E960AEB91A8; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E907BEB91A7 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x236.google.com (mail-io0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAB2179200 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x236.google.com with SMTP id x129so44402096iod.13 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=hCHtRE6yF43lSEoyqUav0xI65h5Ed7jLS11DeVxG27g=; b=eHiRTMfFw741JXdcGpj9lpMdGZx4KL5WTuhFU1ffS/1Zu4xfPZRFnFnIifuBNEQoym INtJpqksUzFPtty932J0Z/VNRIzCjNbXf76ydKcCl9eTlOxGyVreNeu3kFSfrs2QM/Bi 5loIEkyOr5/p6H0OMAr8PaSy45AN7VSDpLKXAR5+PXU/dUXXemxvoUnb8WscJGStyYN1 j6Vd7V7mS7ac5kL+hWiJWNWY6svD8RbmKwiNJzpJTY+iwRBGMu2oNTSTaig5JC7PUsAx jTChjj6arvYrtdY8WUdRCrQrX6UbSM49bUiGeSARHYeeDZtPPlofF4P20DyadsSEGSaq iTxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hCHtRE6yF43lSEoyqUav0xI65h5Ed7jLS11DeVxG27g=; b=tNNzf4OpbOWZZDBlDDkmvpdrWtG7OS78G38lJuMy+srakyMN4qXFEs5W56huAQdx3A 0oiN3YP5iHj8mLrKz59wJhMeQsvboWzrtUQUrDWkCJXvd8xLivjPbboc+P1lO7w07vKK 0rucjtclXkKlqygHfWBJDqT0LTmTt4f82RpZAgiWEjn8impLdPpzUe5U+OhD/gdLRHu8 CNRkvb2TtE/FgJ5TzW/mqGzzBCKscQunmE7BotCgYmsImULr5fEk4X15MZZfVzjDIzSB 5ZIJ56hYkJgyPOiaelLmk28sjoo0w7b8oVQbY7MC8bPVtFNGdai2ebKwt80sXbFsoKr0 g8JQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLJdtGpsRrt0jdaYhuilk4gpeRWEp2/+Fsc41FveKWiv4M1S29k vkefXDalo8IfPeoOYDlzCf101li+Q70L36v4XH6/yw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouACYcHFI0KwTMWIww7VD7ef6Dk/TRQ1Zmu8dJgVlPe3MMF0fSJg3fN4uga1Zp5Isj1GcbDNJYTkvOUIVGalV4= X-Received: by 10.107.149.5 with SMTP id x5mr45526077iod.136.1514684519844; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:41:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:41:59 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:41:59 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zOxbgxFVYoONcTI92vJNjOg--Js Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:01 -0000 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When > last I > > > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > > > came > > > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > > > > > > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted > w/o > > > loss > > > > of functionality. > > > > > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > > > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > > > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > > > comments. > > > > > > That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > we've > > arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email asking > > for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > interpretation > > is correct. > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. It's their responsibility to feed back changes to the project if they have them. As far as I can tell in my brief research, they don't have anything relevant. Warner > > Warner > > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > > > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a > bunch of > > > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. > What am > > > I > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to > be > > > kept > > > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik > from > > > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte > is > > > to be > > > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" > with > > > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > > > family. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > > before the > > > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > >> > > > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards > lack > > > > >> memory, very old) > > > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > >> > > > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > > arch@. > > > > >> > > > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these > older > > > > >> ports > > > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work > on > > > these > > > > >> boards anymore. > > > > >> > > > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > > running > > > > >> on > > > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > >> > > > > >> Warner > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > > > freebsd.org" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rod Grimes > > > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 06:01:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C491EA4C66; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgalabov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5027B6447A; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgalabov@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id f6so8297955ioh.8; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:01:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=prrOjibaQcj9AnUfbOThRzvf023A38l6aRBAB6lxw8w=; b=aFQE3NnDyVEHGUb2R4I3s024HnEDhZTCNR2il7QOTVRfCpEWXp+Im05eh+CU4hlZNv knUCpu4t1w7cq8k3QGjFD/OG+pYWHlsU03sz5AlBnwTmKNzn4/3FfHPNg5f32opakGqB zm3Edp7ZIvf3Efw/I2EwYo/3o2IOGRyKqDK21AlfktM+HN05fhUlKan3i+vWyV2DkdSQ GkRskbEYrKYBoDtUDaha+E0WJ5INB6U2VGICFFfjesm7VbTSBVaw/mgGlLscoyJdzNr3 6VYA3v9p6qwmIOVzrlqkTx/KXP+sw/Qp8EoF7ZPys/i61ob6jQPXibz0vL0csDdLeMPP vbDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=prrOjibaQcj9AnUfbOThRzvf023A38l6aRBAB6lxw8w=; b=nT9ZhS/MERaDbHpHe8sjaWc3OZ7OZPGl5ejUyvZgZboj0a/a0D5v0M/wJOI2Di3D82 SnTWTwqjIwwVHqH6YePZH5Xf8PDChWfdUla17NHQe4UmPFOD8yfTnCMKT159UaGq1BpN 6eJe5KgARJS5D1+7bFBVDYs9tXJy+12DP1NZIBsXtmY93cAusXY+83xlH2LnJUf2b02i Ub6vCYkhqBsQRkhm6CxC41j0lM0XdR1pEyx8RJkr+tvdXI0bE6uWT1dQ2JxLLLBInIBi urL7IjxyC2X0sDs24pAPg98RAAiBWC/KdfgQw/b2tSGTo+h+qg8WXhskK7fxrfZnSCtk 85nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ2Qzhy2WF1U7zDh61byjHC9BWwjBVH5Ganl5HCmqIFidpH2txQ 9YzbhyAxAS3p7+gB1PQFkgwCCjqa/Hi0tbmox6Whfg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosFSPKkibFAeBRcr0GC1gH0T7oyqp8nVAAjhhsUxnEUoVMysunaDorAhtgByzvutVoZIJxXTxQ1Mpbwg7eR6ZA= X-Received: by 10.107.130.80 with SMTP id e77mr41275850iod.273.1514700101748; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:01:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.12.136 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:01:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Stanislav Galabov Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 08:01:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Warner Losh Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" , Aleksandr Rybalko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:01:42 -0000 On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >> When last I >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >> generally >> > >> > came >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >> deleted w/o >> > >> > loss >> > >> > > of functionality. >> > >> > >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >> > >> > comments. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and >> > >> we've >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email >> > >> asking >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >> > >> interpretation >> > >> is correct. >> > > >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >> > >> > "router project folks" ? >> > >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter > > > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. > > Warner > I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. Stanislav > >> > >> Warner >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems >> to >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a >> bunch of >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. >> What am >> > >> > I >> > >> > > missing? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Warner >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are >> to be >> > >> > kept >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >> Mikrotik from >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >> sibyte is >> > >> > to be >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >> router" with >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Thank you! >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your >> > >> > family. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh >> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following >> > >> > before the >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >> boards lack >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list >> to >> > >> > arch@. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >> these older >> > >> > > >> ports >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even >> work on >> > >> > these >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >> longer >> > >> > running >> > >> > > >> on >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> Warner >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> > >> > freebsd.org" >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org" >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Rod Grimes >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> > Emmanuel Vadot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> >> -- >> Rod Grimes >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 13:51:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED4DEAB11C for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: from mail-ua0-x243.google.com (mail-ua0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1090E6DADB for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: by mail-ua0-x243.google.com with SMTP id g16so18604380uak.2 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 05:51:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ddteam-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nWzesqFsK79Tklte6GNRYlsK1XHluLz5gB0uR/pjwhs=; b=yh8+dFf8ObT9Y2cZhDqq8Ls8q+UhSCE1Zq+85AISfE8peub08A9hCgQix0T425w/fX FiSFKBsXMWY2Rb7mjH6KQO4KRzOMTIkpzR+yTnM/qUYIRNIgewCYO8vbywewghlX9FRS Qxd6CW0ul8GkxcYY7JoeXuvtAZWozMWLD8Tpw7IdYe3roEM9J495oEMurKdBe98lb1jr xQTneEtK7ZfKItnunkognSpCayD8suTlbBOvjgw/oXdIUHau24vC/NoRi32aXUz8cQoH fcxpAZPaTdo4ZACN4WLO3x9A4rDGOVAaxL3Ldj5ctbuOp85X57hH5fAj8SaF0iVRclde gxJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nWzesqFsK79Tklte6GNRYlsK1XHluLz5gB0uR/pjwhs=; b=YSoZLA/+lQRi5tp+9ydaU/S341oeVgqqAqtsNDqQIlyw3yZOBpurZxZxB/ITVsclpS Vp7OpiWW02AvRcxQt6bgha9Vy33Y21Gf3QkTnxlfYeTlALt1sDvD8NQCMUegMw+2bbWp +kYfMvBxPx/2tokyABt0+qza02F7+QwNVfQqXAicEniXyydMR1itl+lntYVEDqIIYwAz WLaLVwi4PAo4b1HPlUcUV5/IMnRQ009J27csBKCOsOBxP8c7tuLVavHM9I3jPK59pU4W pdiJk/Zb+VPyEn3LnVTvasRgRdxQZRaWBrrrifjVFBqKsIUqWrP3lxdk4P7A+XoVqbdL 15ZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIRStMo7h9f3jmYOr+NojPNJC0sFXufKzpb9hQmUJj0cMyfkgfy JdJ4QKIh5zpR4GQj4Yhh3I904/rqhOu5vpNoyYnHjA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosPb/ZfOPAOSq7gFlbBziiXy0E0jmv3LHINipTHrjH1HeYF7HaMAbrk+nb5j7JDNKEA5e37AUME3D+0er4YvZU= X-Received: by 10.159.59.170 with SMTP id r42mr42405758uah.91.1514814708701; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 05:51:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.89.104 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 05:51:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Aleksandr Rybalko Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 15:51:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Stanislav Galabov Cc: Warner Losh , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:51:50 -0000 Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its support. Thanks, guys! Happy New Year!!! 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? > >> When last I > >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and > >> generally > >> > >> > came > >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be > >> deleted w/o > >> > >> > loss > >> > >> > > of functionality. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > >> > >> > comments. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, > and > >> > >> we've > >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > >> > >> asking > >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > >> > >> interpretation > >> > >> is correct. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > >> > > >> > "router project folks" ? > >> > > >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? > >> > >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the > >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff > >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: > >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink > >> > >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter > > > > > > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. > > > > Warner > > > I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. > As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of > mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. > > Stanislav > > > > >> > >> Warner > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It > seems > >> to > >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has > a > >> bunch of > >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer > chips. > >> What am > >> > >> > I > >> > >> > > missing? > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Warner > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < > mizhka@gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt > are > >> to be > >> > >> > kept > >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, > >> Mikrotik from > >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), > >> sibyte is > >> > >> > to be > >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g > >> router" with > >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Thank you! > >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and > your > >> > >> > family. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < > imp@bsdimp.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the > following > >> > >> > before the > >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and > >> boards lack > >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) > >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this > list > >> to > >> > >> > arch@. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep > >> these older > >> > >> > > >> ports > >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > >> work on > >> > >> > these > >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no > >> longer > >> > >> > running > >> > >> > > >> on > >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Warner > >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> > >> > freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > Rod Grimes > >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Emmanuel Vadot > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Rod Grimes > >> rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org > >> " > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > -- WBW ------- Rybalko Aleksandr From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 17:50:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEC9EB4C55 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:50:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 070EF7596D for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:50:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 14so40494821iou.2 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Fz7XA8ZvJJl8qjgGUqWLQRQhAj4ieRUjnEYK8X7XrM4=; b=1HmwHES1uQgEhK+JkycDGgIi4c3dGQmE+OFY+BP0jk1OehGIk0VvWd2QioIE9pJN3U RHbQlIZY0Zjxx6quuwJo0UvevRv1WnyAoKmTEnY8Z2ENdL1NP2TgYif+WalNxnpQcUpn 9T7FZaD8lRsLm5WMaqzh8STvcqwOMR059ahBkns2xeCQRbhc1IYbWD9T9nuxXprL5Jsq RfXMg0sVxt9s+E0ZyR7pdjdOmtIJ1IV5JlwkkiEQBWhXrrM+ZcWgI+mGgGZSpY4v1JYu DNIMzR4UaNUzQ1rtNcpoIw0Fukmgdrqq2wrf18BSPKDsFCzXjx7/IMZ2kzhEXtsRQj0G oNIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fz7XA8ZvJJl8qjgGUqWLQRQhAj4ieRUjnEYK8X7XrM4=; b=J2+nwoUzEjeFWruGcYNxm7J+rlmcac0hkZc9fdqACMpAIzbjsv0UPbhqRVwiZ/Syoy UNRdOe5PDJ4XKlQv3SMSDUjRCqxVmhOxXgVpv1hdaOoAlojHAFXbTq/ImOJDJgGhkoN8 aGPWDXm//W6BadixvzRarn2p40kr3tB/gTolXTlVTnnmKLu7UChJg9jTL4ocF39sK1kC VN7U7nTN1PsSqe4Vg69sSPir/RwkeOraAbu+IAS+yFhr+hJ4sTlXktBofNCyVObEAzup PidLKEzyx5iH1kCjHFlRebQl1wDdKc1wZirBuNjePAGm2yCGhMPgVOIF+mQM1OUD/lpB p2ow== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mK7ZCn4AO7Zyz4RMPbRM8iJYziYugm3YKsuJxEnGWolbL3NMsJd sjGPHZtybWpYHBBS2Fz2e19Cip0cFVWD8S+3UKgQmQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosIL6+v5V+CxtCFa9HHMxb+7495l/efvgaHrjbIgBCp9zZUgIcwRBpoSPg/nkZN+fE5n+ULK58J3o62CEzcDd0= X-Received: by 10.107.13.67 with SMTP id 64mr12313899ion.301.1514829057086; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 09:50:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 09:50:56 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 10:50:56 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VMhTcUz6IKbT4ntRZayjuyxBsnA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Aleksandr Rybalko Cc: Stanislav Galabov , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:50:58 -0000 On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:51 AM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) > > I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: > We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. > IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. > Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its > support. > Totally agree on that! I'd love to see better testing tools. qemu has like 3 targets that we might be able to support, but the other 2 wouldn't gain us that much since they are for hardware older than MALTA. qemu for arm has like 50 it supports, and we could use half a dozen of them in regression testing if we were so motivated. There's other emulators, but none of them stray far from MALTA or something that's so close to identical as to not be that useful. At least last time I did a survey. I'd love someone to prove me wrong here :) Warner > Thanks, guys! > > Happy New Year!!! > > > 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : > >> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> > >> >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >> >> When last I >> >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >> >> generally >> >> > >> > came >> >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >> >> deleted w/o >> >> > >> > loss >> >> > >> > > of functionality. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said >> about >> >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it >> has >> >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >> >> > >> > comments. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, >> and >> >> > >> we've >> >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email >> >> > >> asking >> >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >> >> > >> interpretation >> >> > >> is correct. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >> >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >> >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >> >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >> >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >> >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >> >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >> >> > >> >> > "router project folks" ? >> >> > >> >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >> >> >> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >> >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >> >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >> >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >> >> >> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter >> > >> > >> > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. >> > >> > Warner >> > >> I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. >> As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of >> mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. >> >> Stanislav >> >> > >> >> > >> Warner >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It >> seems >> >> to >> >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that >> has a >> >> bunch of >> >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer >> chips. >> >> What am >> >> > >> > I >> >> > >> > > missing? >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Warner >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < >> mizhka@gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > >> > wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt >> are >> >> to be >> >> > >> > kept >> >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >> >> Mikrotik from >> >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >> >> sibyte is >> >> > >> > to be >> >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >> >> router" with >> >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > Thank you! >> >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and >> your >> >> > >> > family. >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < >> imp@bsdimp.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the >> following >> >> > >> > before the >> >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >> >> boards lack >> >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >> >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this >> list >> >> to >> >> > >> > arch@. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >> >> these older >> >> > >> > > >> ports >> >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even >> >> work on >> >> > >> > these >> >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >> >> longer >> >> > >> > running >> >> > >> > > >> on >> >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> Warner >> >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> >> > >> > freebsd.org" >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> >> freebsd.org" >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> >> > >> > Rod Grimes >> >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Emmanuel Vadot >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@free >> bsd.org" >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Rod Grimes >> >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org >> >> " >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > WBW > ------- > Rybalko Aleksandr > > From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 19:29:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31993EB8D8F for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com (mail-ua0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41D679456 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id l12so6217696uaa.10 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:29:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ddteam-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9QLOUROkRS/RfuDsh5EVjJt8KyhCUH7Nti6SV+WvJAk=; b=xY8UdyidgE7qYEE1NLfB3r79tgaoF70NlhPz6NIdwiu5krdg8YbDsIM3r0jzRcQgti F/OZAOgnR//+RSXr2qh2hJWHW8f348sBb1V62WAunUhihRgFJ3feeVxfFk+4BMGQRvMa I3gL2RnwVcSVXYPd8p/hFtOE3oXvcKgme+gQ1lzIhCuUN8tBfzSoBlq27MMC/LPk7/A2 7w5iFH15vwI2LtdUkGZgqDDv+cDP3WBBP2IS+uRtKQPtWUvkDpD4Ez6fqUJnEfH2muht KHLB/lqgnD8xbhuBVYM/++OiiGyC4+7tjoSTMjVwEQ8TneONi68ixsT9uH5yDp3KCOXd rFEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9QLOUROkRS/RfuDsh5EVjJt8KyhCUH7Nti6SV+WvJAk=; b=enveb24UCoAenh4VrzDFP3LOLZomIBPhx0rdii+QTRDN+qjgQx6uAyOdJuLafxXPt0 wYI4x3y94qllQPGgYZkkzP5NdxlVg6w0srj+B1nbcANibTz6adiFY10Ap5rzzIMPYb7c WDCqvyNcSTwveFXf//m3GfbNqNl/nh0p0szGgO82QkNXIJRrcCt4/iCvFF9AFqAGU8ph BnGn9tAXo6yWvHxTkZ3qkmYt0AsR5qoyKdqP68qxDwl3baDNouC8D47QgaVNjeofpxQb M2Nihpgzow+FOSejHNLH1FebfJzqBUJvkgqi5QCMYvN7YYDNola6ljYW4nF5DhrELkcX Nr5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIK65Sl2S91Ggniq852iDTgxjGqHUhR8+aMpVO3DLbEw3YLF6JG NwyA0xMI7CYOUjPZMdAfnjX3/EBAgk5tmOW+CYmmag== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBostYlXTt/TDPUTcKMCsEu/83Yde0GJg7m9FcHtNgy//pNQqhxgkAOB98nkwEhGQBSTM9+XM1AOKcfXiiImNbcQ= X-Received: by 10.176.24.139 with SMTP id t11mr3781957uag.100.1514834996758; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.89.104 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Aleksandr Rybalko Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 21:29:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Warner Losh Cc: Stanislav Galabov , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 19:29:58 -0000 At least it looks more clear now - only Malta. :) Thanks, Warner! 2018-01-01 19:50 GMT+02:00 Warner Losh : > > > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:51 AM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > >> Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) >> >> I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: >> We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. >> IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. >> Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its >> support. >> > > Totally agree on that! I'd love to see better testing tools. qemu has like > 3 targets that we might be able to support, but the other 2 wouldn't gain > us that much since they are for hardware older than MALTA. qemu for arm has > like 50 it supports, and we could use half a dozen of them in regression > testing if we were so motivated. > > There's other emulators, but none of them stray far from MALTA or > something that's so close to identical as to not be that useful. At least > last time I did a survey. I'd love someone to prove me wrong here :) > > Warner > > >> Thanks, guys! >> >> Happy New Year!!! >> >> >> 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : >> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >>> > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >>> >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >>> >> When last I >>> >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >>> >> generally >>> >> > >> > came >>> >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >>> >> deleted w/o >>> >> > >> > loss >>> >> > >> > > of functionality. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said >>> about >>> >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it >>> has >>> >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >>> >> > >> > comments. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, >>> and >>> >> > >> we've >>> >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an >>> email >>> >> > >> asking >>> >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >>> >> > >> interpretation >>> >> > >> is correct. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >>> >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >>> >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >>> >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >>> >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >>> >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >>> >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >>> >> > >>> >> > "router project folks" ? >>> >> > >>> >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >>> >> >>> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >>> >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >>> >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >>> >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >>> >> >>> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter >>> > >>> > >>> > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. >>> > >>> > Warner >>> > >>> I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. >>> As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of >>> mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. >>> >>> Stanislav >>> >>> > >>> >> > >> Warner >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It >>> seems >>> >> to >>> >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that >>> has a >>> >> bunch of >>> >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer >>> chips. >>> >> What am >>> >> > >> > I >>> >> > >> > > missing? >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > Warner >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < >>> mizhka@gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > >> > wrote: >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & >>> idt are >>> >> to be >>> >> > >> > kept >>> >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >>> >> Mikrotik from >>> >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >>> >> sibyte is >>> >> > >> > to be >>> >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >>> >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >>> >> router" with >>> >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > Thank you! >>> >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you >>> and your >>> >> > >> > family. >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < >>> imp@bsdimp.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the >>> following >>> >> > >> > before the >>> >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >>> >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >>> >> boards lack >>> >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >>> >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >>> >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >>> >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this >>> list >>> >> to >>> >> > >> > arch@. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >>> >> these older >>> >> > >> > > >> ports >>> >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we >>> even >>> >> work on >>> >> > >> > these >>> >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >>> >> longer >>> >> > >> > running >>> >> > >> > > >> on >>> >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> Warner >>> >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >>> >> > >> > freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >>> >> freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > -- >>> >> > >> > Rod Grimes >>> >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Emmanuel Vadot >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@free >>> bsd.org" >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Rod Grimes >>> >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >>> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >>> freebsd.org >>> >> " >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >>> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >>> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >>> freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> WBW >> ------- >> Rybalko Aleksandr >> >> > -- WBW ------- Rybalko Aleksandr From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:51:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD44EA4190 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0055B3E33 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id F0D2AEA4180; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05CFEA417E; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C883D3E32; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id 2DBC65A9F15; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:50:59 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Michael Zhilin Cc: Warner Losh , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Message-ID: <20180105225059.GE95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:01 -0000 --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The sibyte port is unlikely to work in practice. I cribbed SMP stuff =66rom it for BERI and quite a bit of that was suspect. -- Brooks On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 03:03:01PM +0300, Michael Zhilin wrote: > Hi Warner, >=20 > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be kept > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to be > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >=20 > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >=20 > Thank you! > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. >=20 > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before = the > > FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > memory, very old) > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@. > > > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older p= orts > > around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on the= se > > boards anymore. > > > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer runnin= g on > > them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > Warner > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaUAFSAAoJEKzQXbSebgfArPEH/2kNkl5127NE8Km2CYSW4SI8 qIfMl8Sn5riAqhCP3SttN4AfJVkvg9QhESDq8Bl0xdxeKUHamqBoZnoPRZQrD73C OXlfZD6lk4MfEg1Fu1PSLgKlPP7mccyGYKlKAmRJxxxTjLXaWPd6YjSkCJbXZ0CH qLnxI5Mqc3zlkPOgES5f2cHU310f0sOl9EGty7XDZrkY4+TzPAOFZEEJIYGSDQKe v11fAiTz3XUH3fd2rzxLi+crFVc+mLDHYg92AI0QM2Al70JYeXqU6Ki9u0SpXP1K tC9SGcI5k21R+h90elWxEeh/nnRdPUhOxiM5wMvpT/BqGKXccu7BWGeRcc7tZQY= =cWLp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ-- From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:51:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36893EA42F4 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201F76333E for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1F74DEA42F2; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFC2EA42F0; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC6126333C; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id D9ED15A9F17; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:53 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Alexander Kabaev Cc: Warner Losh , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Message-ID: <20180105225153.GF95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20171230114420.3154579c@kan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171230114420.3154579c@kan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:55 -0000 --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:44:20AM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 01:10:11 -0700 > Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > before the FreeBSD 12 branch. > >=20 > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > memory, very old) > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >=20 > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > arch@. > >=20 > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > ports around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > > work on these boards anymore. > >=20 > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > running on them, please let me know. Thanks! >=20 > RMI is another one that should get on chopping block, IMHO. They are > impossible to track down in the wild and files were not touched more or > less ever since being committed. They also re-implement too much of the > code in MI and chances of FreeBSD-current working on the hardware are > very, very slim. Deleting that would clean up a fair number of ifdefs in MIPS MD code. -- Brooks --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaUAGIAAoJEKzQXbSebgfA+rwH/jXegdhnTZZrO91lqZjUHuPr iG/J+EJUoSh0nccbioasoWk3pemF6EdvLMzZI1a+cUgg2mY39Zkx8MAgKn/dvdVo VBgREgjuRKOHKJur+3RfqXgVOd2u+gVZjBJ+J4T+nqw49yJinUv/D0wmqvD2qhru lALPUvni3xbAsZNWZwLZaL2rOuH8S6vrFW0pR/7PIqK3CXDlwNhU0ctsrFY//U2z fFu1Wb0uKr9dQ+bI7bVgwmc40/ZiqtNPfHqB3wtbhFYafghn2qpQez5h5GP25dEE 1BjTkwg9nY0MEjD6DiVEH96arZ+BE2bwN9/sEhlPQd4gxpMZDwKuSNUrAiuDbo0= =h2ns -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t-- From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:57:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5DCEA485E for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF5763845 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BC786EA485C; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC195EA485B for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E91263842 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 87so7318801ior.5 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=lIJWSr+VrnxtQQlShI3dZLOaWIyPwPN4OcVV+rApaSo=; b=KjcH12SpHg2Gfy07lpSrPiZyGaMq5fonRGGbuOK5GU1+gISn/sB9R2qpL+OQO/qFN7 ZVjaplT5KOnpsjhjoamPvrnOBMQaP1rKdwvCy9JiRUW32Z5EhgDD7xrnH8V3h+YG1e8Y itiMydxmQ5n3hhf7sGswEGGkv+WB5edZlS/7gS9bOLT4uYpaUuFKCYIav64LQd13SaYr KJ+/CwzmTbKeJ9qCqDuHUBqw8ZbtszarH4SYSpPavxTRnzr9vhDIR/ieFQWioZJluobC mSeZzm+99d+v03BhF47rqKyOQsxmqRwolXnrdYKq7oUahWmHpFM/q+0yijznIBjkX8xp LleQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lIJWSr+VrnxtQQlShI3dZLOaWIyPwPN4OcVV+rApaSo=; b=aMdHv9TLw2Jn6Cg4jpvtFiJOfWvufJmojLKFa77qjP+1kozfU6H+80XHrtVdnQvxwH rBZ1MOhPunmdg9WUQT0AiwUBtkzawpi7UbvdZag957uzE2EEOmP32mFmbYPbgxn4vB1g tumAVqDv78pI2AuLqe2t6DUpaqrNLB2C03gubXXUQeD5U3ZyuPjDzKjaBUHpCBTq6WKI IEcLHS0AAoEO37Io4vE5lXbRvNmcGYEKU3GmLoQ5uYCbWFZnUK1buYEgnm2v+4HGGBap ZF4FAr7BRb6KOvVTpZFqiRH+69xSYdCBWkXumVZ4PMWnBzTXBCXprjnqt6FLsfshPoQR UCRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdL2AlHF4KCU7ZOBmkVpKdiCj6exi0lWzoHCSsLf1HAqq79NB9i uiwgFQCXbCU8+R352hQavSA4138FGTiHIETzQnzGSA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosEZmeesRnzAuISdOVo5gig66NxrvBhWSOwnQeY5nEZt0MmAwgKA89BaPcX2/ExSSN+ZdVRaWA+TFmqOP24xqU= X-Received: by 10.107.78.12 with SMTP id c12mr4457275iob.63.1515193055634; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:57:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.160.217 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:57:34 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <20180105225059.GE95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20180105225059.GE95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:57:34 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Kry_L02eipuQxua0cnKyjPSbrck Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Brooks Davis Cc: Michael Zhilin , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:57:37 -0000 I might have a board the sibyte port would work on, but it's buried in a pile of ewaste and would take me days of time to even try to see if it works. I didn't delete the sibyte when I pulled the trigger last week because the platform can support at least 128MB of RAM. But it's in the cross hairs for someone to prove it works or it will be GC'd at some unspecified point in the future. I'm thinking of adding this near the end of mips_init in sb_machdep.c: printf("This platform is believed broken and will be removed before FreeBSD 12.\n"); printf("Email mips@freebsd.org if you have it working.\n"); Warner On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Brooks Davis wrote: > The sibyte port is unlikely to work in practice. I cribbed SMP stuff > from it for BERI and quite a bit of that was suspect. > > -- Brooks > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 03:03:01PM +0300, Michael Zhilin wrote: > > Hi Warner, > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > kept > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to > be > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > Thank you! > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before > the > > > FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > > memory, very old) > > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@ > . > > > > > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > ports > > > around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > these > > > boards anymore. > > > > > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > running on > > > them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > > > Warner > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:59:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48615EA4A9A for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEB763A1A for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1F477EA4A97; 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Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:59:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.160.217 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:59:09 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <20180105225153.GF95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20171230114420.3154579c@kan> <20180105225153.GF95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:59:09 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gi7s9sZRH_xDYWm5spNXTXx6ewk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Brooks Davis Cc: Alexander Kabaev , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:59:11 -0000 On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:44:20AM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 01:10:11 -0700 > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > > before the FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > > memory, very old) > > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > > arch@. > > > > > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > > ports around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > > > work on these boards anymore. > > > > > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > > running on them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > RMI is another one that should get on chopping block, IMHO. They are > > impossible to track down in the wild and files were not touched more or > > less ever since being committed. They also re-implement too much of the > > code in MI and chances of FreeBSD-current working on the hardware are > > very, very slim. > > Deleting that would clean up a fair number of ifdefs in MIPS MD code. I went ahead and deleted the platform, but was holding off doing ifdef cleanups from the removed platforms until a suitable period of time had passed to ensure that I didn't delete one that turns out to be in wide use leading to a hue and cry for its return. Warner