From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Sun Jul 29 21:00:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D855C106341C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F2979BCA for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5BE741063414; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEA11063412 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org (mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E435D79BB7 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E70119E70 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w6TL0oQE078647 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:50 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bugzilla@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w6TL0oda078643 for pkg@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:50 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <201807292100.w6TL0oda078643@kenobi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: bugzilla set sender to bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org To: pkg@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problem reports for pkg@FreeBSD.org that need special attention Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:00:52 -0000 To view an individual PR, use: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=(Bug Id). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- Open | 220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages 1 problems total for which you should take action. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Mon Jul 30 13:28:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A6E1056B73 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E181E71AE1 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A278F1056B72; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911691056B71 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2459871AE0 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (124-169-199-167.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.169.199.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w6UDRoOT014390 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 06:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: anyone have an explanation for this? pkg 1.10.5 From: Julian Elischer To: pkg@freebsd.org References: <9a30741a-97ff-384d-5425-b7bfe5cad1a8@freebsd.org> <611551b5-b3b7-51be-4db7-58cfd674a66b@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <52bfd590-f4f4-0a31-15bd-f750e801528b@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:27:45 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <611551b5-b3b7-51be-4db7-58cfd674a66b@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:28:03 -0000 On 26/7/18 12:35 pm, Julian Elischer wrote: > oops of course that is 1.10.5 not 10.5.1 I'm still seeing this regresssion in pkg1.10.5. bapt told me how to get debug output so it is at: http://people.freebsd.org/~julian/pkg-debug.txt command is: sudo /usr/local/sbin/pkg -o DEBUG_LEVEL=4 -o IGNORE_OSVERSION=yes -c /usr/build/buildroot/build/cloudcc/build_x86_64/root add -M -f /pkg/All/glib-2.50.3_4,1.txz It would appear that pkg is deciding whether the dependencies are present OUTSIDE the chroot instead of inside it... > > > > On 26/7/18 12:01 am, Julian Elischer wrote: >> This one has me stumped. >> >> >> sudo /usr/local/sbin/pkg -o IGNORE_OSVERSION=yes -c >> /usr/build/buildroot/build/cloudcc/build_x86_64/root add -M -f >> /pkg/All/curl-7.60.0.txz >> Installing curl-7.60.0... >> package curl is already installed, forced install >> pkg: Missing dependency 'ca_root_nss' >> pkg: Missing dependency 'libnghttp2' >> Extracting curl-7.60.0: 100% >> >> >> yet the packages for ca_root_nss and libnghttp2 are sitting there >> right next to the package for curl. >> >> They were all compiled together. >> >> -rw-r--r--  1 julian  wheel    111632 Jul 25 06:50 >> libnghttp2-1.32.0.txz >> -rw-r--r--  1 julian  wheel    293912 Jul 25 06:50 >> ca_root_nss-3.38.txz >> -rw-r--r--  1 julian  wheel    942624 Jul 25 06:50 curl-7.60.0.txz >> >> >> Am I doing something wrong? >> >> >> Julian >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-pkg > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-pkg-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Thu Aug 2 20:21:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E3E104ED87; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x242.google.com (mail-io0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EE8D7A63A; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x242.google.com with SMTP id l7-v6so3177451ioj.1; Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7G+P0nqh5TTYT8lhYuusf32FxmpKyw96FJdwW72k3QY=; b=fddmjfThuFcrfjo5zotrx9c8imXc05uZv0ladvAlB5Xi1wbcpyzqlrPXX2fJjF0nIk Z+s0886AeUME9Xlxx4Jn9tV/HAxDG1AWFZejljHNCBIkAG6IsfNjVSzySHO+j7stbuJQ fIG1ckFZK9cmtgLDtDFlSCVlInBeLKNQDCxPTkZB93u25GFnVNcTsWnfkLrRx1Gh/Xz/ E0i+Lt3Pv8uCW4TrrTi71CohwmFDiKLXibdyG0vtUQmy8Cc94V3GREZg7I2A0+eyYjoM aCSdXcGu4ACxNidVX4vlKRmnzSJQLDl8i4hZ9I1SG+s8KP8KiZRpEhRPf2JF1/rQaCk6 oPUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7G+P0nqh5TTYT8lhYuusf32FxmpKyw96FJdwW72k3QY=; b=XcyCrLzLzwOVcIxnlEjdmMW7Ov/cQLAwSpPBkm+uJn1/4pmWvcidugrnVIuan9TXrN Jdt/LI2zD0XWrrWX3pLxxL9oN6hT9o1oiPC9DF3NsqldaUtgyu07IA6qBeP1xFEAtCew AML4sTvYNCybegeCOf+TQ6Q1UkmshA/0E+rgiKpZS/kd5ksro+HRkHeFtvI00d4kFGFp 2shP1dAxiEm2F55Z4Q1Jin46HmVzEWzZU6VHbLFp2x97QmiHqPCL10MdN9yJVzWA+rOh WURw9jOrlKlF/nL/q2D4U5aVTVBi3gLo+7PUE54TULrc95FwTwHwq6Bx7i0HGNYuNbVh RBJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGaBmVf7Dorbl+r08YJqafFRlhlsIMBt500K+5B9OUdTPcTIwq8 OaxfXz+t8YbdeyN7oYMI3Tps16h7GUqqQZ5Glk2J7pf6GKU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfV5Rzi23Q/LzF3ZtIxkchA74rLqlDwKtGyvL5/ck23UvHVxK+C0LqmWfXZx80to5PcS7dipHClLJ7cn+22SVY= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:c8c8:: with SMTP id y191-v6mr3766056iof.295.1533241305098; Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:21:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:7781:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> From: grarpamp Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:21:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:21:47 -0000 > I've asked for this but the answer is > "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". What is the rationale? Or is another model of pkg build, distribution, and archiving coming? It seems no more would be needed than - an update to release / handbook / mirror info noting their status as "final, to be removed [to archives] on date + timeframe", say 1 year. - simple sysadmin on pkg / web side as part of each quarter activity. - some storage space. - obviously they are the final builds of the branch, thus frozen. Anything else / prereqs missing to doing that? In addition to the earlier reasons... 'packages /latest' trails 'repo HEAD' so it's a fairly linear turnover. Yet /quarterly gets a massive bump when the branches swap out from underneath it. So one could also see where enterprise and other pkg users might be expecting a similar progression in /quarterly, and to manually cutforward, not automatic large whack at once. Those production bumps can hurt. So they might choose to track repo_conf /yyyyQn and trial the new quarter before moving to it. It just seems that the final builds on those quarterly branches should be left online for a while, instead of just ...poof...GONE. ie: with pkg, this should work for a year or so... /.../repo_conf: url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/2018Q2" Some labels could also be added for use in pkg's repo_conf... /last_quarter - simpler than dealing with the date, alternately: /prev_quarter /this_quarter - same as today's /quarterly /head - unlikely due to build / mirror times and other factors /yyyyQn - expose these for manual tracking and cutforward, and the validation purposes below [bcc for thread ref] On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 22/7/18 5:59 am, grarpamp wrote: >> >> Packages are delivered via a single quarterly label here >> >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/ >> >> which corresponds to the latest quarterly branch label here >> >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/branches/?sortby=date#dirlist >> >> >> However, similar to how the tags here >> >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/?sortby=date#dirlist >> >> are archived here >> >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/ >> as these >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/release_[n] >> >> >> The last "ie: final" builds of each quarterly branch before they >> roll over should also be moved off into their own archived >> quarterly directories as > > > I've asked for this but the answer is "no we don't do that.. and have no > plans to". > Which is a putty as it means you need to make your own snapshots if you want > to have any reproducability. > It no linger matters to me as we now roll all our own packages from source > (we have private OS changes > that make this a requirement), but it was a sore point for many years. > > >> >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/yyyyQ[n] >> >> For example /quarterly/ should be repointed from 2018Q2 >> to 2018Q3, leaving 2018Q2 as a live "pkg" accessible archive. >> >> >> Eventually all such archives could be moved to historical >> archive server under typical release support expiry periods. >> >> >> This would also serve critical purpose as an independant >> original remote repository for validating local package / file >> signatures against compromise, corruption, loss. >> >> >> For example, does the last 2018Q2 (or older ones) still exist >> anywhere for users to reference and use? > > no. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Thu Aug 2 22:48:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEDB1053018; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 22:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18FFE80983; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 131051CB3; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 22:48:30 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Message-ID: <20180802224829.GB27426@lonesome.com> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 22:48:33 -0000 On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 04:21:04PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > > I've asked for this but the answer is > > "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". > > What is the rationale? Or is another model of pkg build, > distribution, and archiving coming? This was discussed in a long thread last June: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2017-June/109126.html Short answer: we don't have enough resources. mcl From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 03:17:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA2E105AE28; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 03:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D64AA8DADF; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 03:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1flQb2-0004Al-Nm; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:17:44 +0200 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 05:17:44 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Message-ID: <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 03:17:49 -0000 Hi! > > I've asked for this but the answer is > > "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". > > What is the rationale? I don't know, but as the setup of your own package builder box is simple enough -- wouldn't that be an alternative for you ? -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 2 years to go ! 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To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 04:51:10 -0000 On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:48 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > This was discussed in a long thread last June: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2017-June/109126.html > > Short answer: we don't have enough resources. The OP there titles and suggests opening more development branches, which is of course a much bigger subject and resources, not really relavant to this thread here. To be clear, as in this subject, "Archive last builds"... (Builds: the binary packages, Archive: to store, after the rest of the ports src and builds have moved on) No development resources are consumed, that is banned here, see "frozen" in this thread. The only real expense in this thread is a few minutes of sysadmin time once a quarter, basically symlinks, and some HTML doc. Will continue reading that thread just in case anyone there had talked about simply keeping the final [quarterly] builds around for a while. In fact, since the packages have the hash in the filename and thus don't collide, every one over the life of the branch could be kept in physical distribution, even though only the current set would appear in the pkg metadata files for use by pkg. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 06:30:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9470105F0EC; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x244.google.com (mail-it0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 504FE72E23; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x244.google.com with SMTP id s7-v6so7002813itb.4; Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:30:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WhNz215lSxbErEPlyi4o21ak1qrP2mZsdItDui5kCi4=; b=Q3vbwWwcavgPp+cct3MZr7+4Reg/ocrYt1ENNlZukXBbLCbkTY9AeEi8PeuJzTCpV5 ELUPZctAj6mdZLa3ksWUBwF/zGM77IBkN04/7lgIFq3FJIGLvwohWYm+HrJOt+4vtdZc K82VpBkBi7YvCh0N50sOlZimt2X8C61IlbKT6WvLKSp/RbTXwX5ESKwZW88kZTb5zLZq HR+j3ZkTPRa8Vi0YnxPQiymRqR7HsxVBy616uU+tWAQ5IQkUX/E96dne76VF4XR5K3ge xlQPlqYXEdr0nWbedNSmYLqIG6bxASPFysaTOGo7o+L4VQnzfwAQW055a0C2hXaTqshe Z7bQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WhNz215lSxbErEPlyi4o21ak1qrP2mZsdItDui5kCi4=; b=GkdFGjiCYKvBIHGXdMJE0EpaXr41/6eiqefPv4cE4EdgwYIiN/wFBntrCRgVXSoNse igBGx94U3Kz7KuCi8djG2IFzdrYQFWSjxy+rk9YybBfqoldORUOpTfJeRLRGMrWUBLQq XJCOzl2BGN829cWj3qixYJUKQMmRSSZrzMS3w1zmPBy70SpnaRHjSrT6JmVi04jTTlLm I3REVEhFY3r1jqXoTXWIWH+RFnL3qer1nI+mMPjYeU86PYSXYZ/dI0awHYZNCkuCZkor sb50VXbimQdfo9m5vCjG17FRkQGmRn/jswA8OcPxd+VUc9+cedHIY/irGvC0WiO7PT22 yGrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHiNym8DDz9FHChIMB1h9juia+TQTRhXhMs5lpmDTmELTUQszto bILtyvSqBja+ez/Rp1c7u7onh5ySNkODuzmhFSM7fyug5qQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpffRPLGyB3SCJPkLWKtQiecdB4m1h/cVfBZpBNUm+TYRzZb4mHBzu/LhZe4Agosgjn0pQeg5n+QcotZEKjes5g= X-Received: by 2002:a24:cc07:: with SMTP id x7-v6mr5233573itf.3.1533277799330; Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:29:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:7781:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 23:29:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> From: grarpamp Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 02:29:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:30:00 -0000 On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:17 PM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > as the setup of your own package builder box > is simple enough -- wouldn't that be an alternative for you ? Simple and even done. Yet being local, that wouldn't cover others out there who might have found or thought of similar or additional reasons to suggest the project might maintain such static archives for a while. Tis all. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 06:49:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700DA105F56E; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C5DC734DC; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E45D1CB3; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:49:38 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Message-ID: <20180803064937.GA16809@lonesome.com> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <20180802224829.GB27426@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:49:46 -0000 And many 10s of GB which we would be forcing all the mirrors to carry (and remember, *N archs *n OSVERSIONS). This has been cited as a stopper in the past. I don't think I have a reference to those threads handy. (e.g., this is not the first time this has been brought up.) mcl From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 10:17:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ED110644FA; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 10:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-lists@klop.ws) Received: from smtp-relay-int.realworks.nl (smtp-relay-int.realworks.nl [194.109.157.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C36397A954; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 10:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-lists@klop.ws) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 12:17:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Ronald Klop To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1409764431.113.1533291426014@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Realworks (420.24627-264523) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 10:17:14 -0000 Van: grarpamp Datum: donderdag, 2 augustus 2018 22:21 Aan: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Onderwerp: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? > > > I've asked for this but the answer is > > "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". > > What is the rationale? Or is another model of pkg build, > distribution, and archiving coming? > > It seems no more would be needed than > - an update to release / handbook / mirror info noting their status > as "final, to be removed [to archives] on date + timeframe", say 1 year. > - simple sysadmin on pkg / web side as part of each quarter activity. > - some storage space. > - obviously they are the final builds of the branch, thus frozen. > > Anything else / prereqs missing to doing that? > I'm not involved in any pkg building, so don't take me too seriously. Keeping archives also means keeping packages with security vulnerabilities. Why would somebody put that on the internet? Regards, Ronald. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 21:27:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFB7105203D; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x242.google.com (mail-it0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A67F765B7; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x242.google.com with SMTP id j81-v6so8409511ite.0; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 14:27:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5JpggkLCbwVA5B0GiVzhXa/VM5RalaAaUOVXR3vNsXU=; b=NYM/5H3FcRab9zmy8HACYp6rVPG8bJqTZwiPMnAO2gvfYM//cdCm+Nt+3uCCYqurKx gFUOMhpQYFxWvi+hCy7+rpgkFJk/7EwNLrW7BusSv28/i5c1BXvLgkU8XU37Y3i8GuFG 5DVtiTDBzkWA2iCq2Aatvqy4Bzl5aKqCz9Es5xfzuwe2085KrdDLtjF8ojFx0dycjSwU 69TbCFo804zB52nEMpDwuSB8iEW3vHlT6WJjNeDeD0vtBhbKWLeZrL1whYPU6vAALapU gbopSJZRXAu2ewF2f9TMcGxRAjRNjgKQHSaSnplYlWQvXyv+dfuNcZ8FwBQVu9Sm9rsm j6pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5JpggkLCbwVA5B0GiVzhXa/VM5RalaAaUOVXR3vNsXU=; b=VhouYYOushwCAS84rdd/KZm4NiC887WajlJ8s7/9eldchtFH61+JEVHKw7Q5se87GG rxU0f5b06O4fInSQ8dsa2nbckBMeIclIbwhQV3NiPrfs7dD32GRfds5ZeM+ZF35RHdTo rOi7840UG487jCaTEE24AuWRKQNth1NnvN06NILOpPiFx4GEnBZJgdeiGRy89eJccZon /Q9itK1+nZIkPyMVbyhR+qBJHtpOkquOMrd3WcHVf9vSgMbtkDNSPs6c+G5hSN3eR9Ly aAZ60GeeuA31suTaQV1ZoksLZR2xyP9CkENO9/t96Wm+1Pe2MCEHLLDE5RZQw50fnZbC BE5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFNC34DAS5i00S7FoGwC6d46hQtTRwUxLDda/r6f3FkHyKK9y4f X30ZL495L/cVDhpaSlpmc3A/Na4l9uZi6QZoS1cVIUZ/b0+jtw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpc9ZJg6od+iYw3ZjC16/8saLUQX/3ntfg+8t67geCKAlcYFBeAFtgYOBRnRh9Qp2eKJ6lRwvBdP95ucG11vvZM= X-Received: by 2002:a24:cc07:: with SMTP id x7-v6mr7776090itf.3.1533331675958; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 14:27:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:7781:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 14:27:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1409764431.113.1533291426014@localhost> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <1409764431.113.1533291426014@localhost> From: grarpamp Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:27:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 21:27:57 -0000 > And many 10s of GB which we would be forcing all the mirrors to carry > (and remember, *N archs *n OSVERSIONS). > This has been cited as a stopper in the past. There's enough slack to pull down at least one new quarter, how deep that slack goes hasn't been chimed in on but this was copied out to hubs@. However on the plus side, one could easily imagine a program where mirrors could receive HW / donations from the foundation... 4TiB is only $100. They're static reference copies, already transferred, and only maintained for a year or so, so usage, thus bandwidth should be low. For the previous quarters, squelching the web index in dir '/All' exposing them only to pkg from pkg metadata, and to rsync module... is further possible. And the last final pkg build "pkg /latest" for each major version num "... 8 9 10 11 12 13 ..." should probably also be kept on archive rsync server for years like the iso's and distfiles. > Keeping archives also means keeping packages with security vulnerabilities. > Why would somebody put that on the internet? Why would FreeBSD or any other OS put all their old vulnerable release ISO's, and keep old vulnerable commits in their repos, on the internet. Lots of reasons, many noted in this thread. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 21:43:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEF1105261E for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: from connect.ultra-secure.de (connect.ultra-secure.de [88.198.71.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B7476DC9 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (Haraka outbound); Fri, 03 Aug 2018 23:41:59 +0200 Authentication-Results: connect.ultra-secure.de; iprev=pass; auth=pass (plain); spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ultra-secure.de Received-SPF: None (connect.ultra-secure.de: domain of ultra-secure.de does not designate 217.71.83.52 as permitted sender) receiver=connect.ultra-secure.de; identity=mailfrom; client-ip=217.71.83.52; helo=[192.168.1.200]; envelope-from= Received: from [192.168.1.200] (217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch [217.71.83.52]) by connect.ultra-secure.de (Haraka/2.6.2-toaster) with ESMTPSA id 4BE415B6-9BC2-46FB-A7BC-B2699B56D7B1.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0); Fri, 03 Aug 2018 23:41:53 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner Message-Id: <26E0C96F-814C-447A-A8AE-6E777680C062@ultra-secure.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 23:41:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Jules Gilbert via freebsd-pkg To: grarpamp References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Haraka-GeoIP: EU, CH, 451km X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 X-Haraka-GeoIP-Received: X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 217.71.80.0/20 X-Haraka-ASN-CYMRU: asn=24951 net=217.71.80.0/20 country=CH assignor=ripencc date=2003-08-07 X-Haraka-FCrDNS: 217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch X-Haraka-p0f: os="Mac OS X " link_type="DSL" distance=13 total_conn=11 shared_ip=Y X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spamassassin X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Haraka-Karma: score: 6, good: 6596, bad: 5, connections: 7203, history: 6591, asn_score: 409, asn_connections: 434, asn_good: 409, asn_bad: 0, pass:asn, asn_all_good, relaying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 21:43:12 -0000 > Am 21.07.2018 um 23:59 schrieb grarpamp : >=20 >=20 > For example /quarterly/ should be repointed from 2018Q2 > to 2018Q3, leaving 2018Q2 as a live "pkg" accessible archive. I think the only real answer is to host your own repo. I=E2=80=99m not sure how people who use FreeBSD for anything more than = their personal server can do this without their own repo (unless their = selection of packages is very limited). Similarly, you=E2=80=99ve got to have mirror of centos+epel or the = ubuntu repo if you use it for anything more than dabbling. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 22:45:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D321054219 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48999796F5 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id B92685A9F16; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 22:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 22:45:30 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Rainer Duffner Cc: grarpamp , Jules Gilbert via freebsd-pkg Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Message-ID: <20180803224530.GB67785@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <26E0C96F-814C-447A-A8AE-6E777680C062@ultra-secure.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26E0C96F-814C-447A-A8AE-6E777680C062@ultra-secure.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 22:45:31 -0000 --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 11:41:49PM +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Am 21.07.2018 um 23:59 schrieb grarpamp : > >=20 > >=20 > > For example /quarterly/ should be repointed from 2018Q2 > > to 2018Q3, leaving 2018Q2 as a live "pkg" accessible archive. >=20 > I think the only real answer is to host your own repo. >=20 > I???m not sure how people who use FreeBSD for anything more than their pe= rsonal server can do this without their own repo (unless their selection of= packages is very limited). It's worth noting that if you don't need custom builds, you can use pkg to maintain a local repo with only the packages you need in it. -- Brooks --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJbZNsJAAoJEKzQXbSebgfACnEIAKLTBtvsDYaasB4L9uYSUMZw 1ElPN+jOyqqHrK3/aLnOsl5kvN6wgikD5kiI63yo+wy6Z29A360EXr5qsLBki/3x jVSPd1fAXGktMat4O8/+n0HI+NmleGimJM1JjZMK3VaVWGijH3B0NpZ7BMI0uFie XQCvBmdOPlocZjTSzBtpz7YxunZEPA7GrXj2upyeDimMJc7xk3VG+wBIxd8BatMD cBOnIZPIQdWKiIkrUDqY1x/C4pkl0eQrxY+BhrSjZjniZFd8yFy9JcRTJb6oM8CT nJv8AlXVANIw51DoCHpq3qzUXHij5PjCD81TiNu7UwaOlYFJsBi8RrOS5UuxoLM= =6ITH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y-- From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Sat Aug 4 04:42:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AE5105DD60; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 04:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1CAF84C53; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 04:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (124-169-199-167.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.169.199.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w744gjGG049325 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? To: Kurt Jaeger , grarpamp Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 12:42:39 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 04:42:51 -0000 On 3/8/18 11:17 am, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >>> I've asked for this but the answer is >>> "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". >> What is the rationale? > I don't know, but as the setup of your own package builder box > is simple enough -- wouldn't that be an alternative for you ? If the answer is always "don't use the quarterly packages but create your own, then why have them at all?" Think about it.. Every three months we spend time adding bug fixes and stability fixes to a branch. then just as it's getting good..    we delete all the pkgs.  It makes no sense at all. From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Sat Aug 4 06:39:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C39A105FE89; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 06:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A30E882F0; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 06:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1flqDf-00094Q-88; Sat, 04 Aug 2018 08:39:19 +0200 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 08:39:19 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Message-ID: <20180804063919.GI2118@home.opsec.eu> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 06:39:21 -0000 Hi! > >>> I've asked for this but the answer is > >>> "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". > >> What is the rationale? > > I don't know, but as the setup of your own package builder box > > is simple enough -- wouldn't that be an alternative for you ? > If the answer is always "don't use the quarterly packages but create > your own, then why have them at all?" The idea is: use the quarterlies, and if the next quarter comes, upgrade to that quarterly. The quarterlies are a way to test if we can provide some 'more stable tree' than HEAD for the ports. It's not perfect, and we all learn the use cases and the issues etc. I don't have the overview over all the posts on that issues, so: is there a text that describes alternative approaches ? Something where implementation can be discussed ? -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 2 years to go ! From owner-freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Sat Aug 4 13:10:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkg@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137D1106AC22 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 13:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: from connect.ultra-secure.de (connect.ultra-secure.de [88.198.71.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C81975871; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 13:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (Haraka outbound); Sat, 04 Aug 2018 15:10:03 +0200 Authentication-Results: connect.ultra-secure.de; iprev=pass; auth=pass (plain); spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ultra-secure.de Received-SPF: None (connect.ultra-secure.de: domain of ultra-secure.de does not designate 217.71.83.52 as permitted sender) receiver=connect.ultra-secure.de; identity=mailfrom; client-ip=217.71.83.52; helo=[192.168.1.200]; envelope-from= Received: from [192.168.1.200] (217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch [217.71.83.52]) by connect.ultra-secure.de (Haraka/2.6.2-toaster) with ESMTPSA id F6846112-8D48-4EC6-8E89-684A9F9DCBBD.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0); Sat, 04 Aug 2018 15:10:00 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner Message-Id: <201539A4-078E-4884-8FEB-CB512F9E4DBD@ultra-secure.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:09:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180804063919.GI2118@home.opsec.eu> Cc: Julian Elischer , Jules Gilbert via freebsd-pkg To: Kurt Jaeger References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <20180803031744.GH2118@home.opsec.eu> <20180804063919.GI2118@home.opsec.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Haraka-GeoIP: EU, CH, 451km X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 X-Haraka-GeoIP-Received: X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 217.71.80.0/20 X-Haraka-ASN-CYMRU: asn=24951 net=217.71.80.0/20 country=CH assignor=ripencc date=2003-08-07 X-Haraka-FCrDNS: 217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch X-Haraka-p0f: os="Mac OS X " link_type="DSL" distance=13 total_conn=5 shared_ip=N X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spamassassin X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Haraka-Karma: score: 6, good: 6601, bad: 5, connections: 7208, history: 6596, asn_score: 414, asn_connections: 439, asn_good: 414, asn_bad: 0, pass:asn, asn_all_good, relaying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 13:10:06 -0000 > Am 04.08.2018 um 08:39 schrieb Kurt Jaeger : >=20 > The idea is: use the quarterlies, and if the next quarter comes, > upgrade to that quarterly. The quarterlies are a way to test > if we can provide some 'more stable tree' than HEAD for the ports. >=20 > It's not perfect, and we all learn the use cases and the issues etc. >=20 > I don't have the overview over all the posts on that issues, so: > is there a text that describes alternative approaches ? Something > where implementation can be discussed ? The problem is that different people have different foci. I think it=E2=80=99s assumed that one hosts and maintains his (or her) = own copy of the ports-tree and maintains it according to one=E2=80=99s = own focus-points. E.g.: if I was to maintain my own fork of the ports-tree, I=E2=80=99d = lay the emphasis on a number of ports that greatly concern me (apache, = php, nginx, varnish, python and some of its base-ports, plugins for = nagios and some other stuff I=E2=80=99ve forgotten). I=E2=80=99d = basically follow upstream with those very closely. The rest, I=E2=80=99d let dormant most of the time, unless a = security-vulnerability made an update inevitable. But I=E2=80=99m really not in a position to do that, so I use the = quarterly cuts. They are a good compromise. Sometimes, I copy over a port from HEAD to my quarterly checkout because = I really want to have the update in. But that has become rare, actually. Different people have different requirements.=20 I think if you need very high stability, you=E2=80=99ll likely end up = using something else (CentOS+ Software Collections - or Ubuntu, if = you=E2=80=99re really desperate...) Certainly, someone from the foundation or some other company has done = the math on what it would take (man-power and financials) to maintain = certain subsets of the ports for longer than three months. Or everything. It will, however, be almost impossible to get it right for everybody.