From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 03:07:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD34F13505 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEFD880900 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AFCFA404A; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:07:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: C Gray Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:07:28 -0800 Reply-To: C Gray Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:07:38 -0000 So, I ordered the Creative Sound Blaster Live! SB0060: a) it is an accepted EMU10K1 chipset; b) it is listed as supported in FreeBSD's snd_emu10kx(4) driver = ; c) it does not state PCIe x4 or x8. d) = > is a typical listing,=20 usually found leading to dead web pages, a loss-leader, or = an no-return Amazon store. =95 Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! PCI Sound Card =20 =95 General Features: =95 Interface: PCI =95 E-mu Systems, Inc. EMU10K1 chipset =95 64-voice hardware polyphony with E-mus patented 8-point = interpolation technology =95 48 MIDI channels with 128 GM & GS compatible instruments and = 10 drum kits =95 Support for real-time digital effects like reverb, chorus, = flanger, =95 pitch shifter, or distortion across any audio source =95 Capable of processing, mixing and positioning audio streams = using up to 131 =95 available hardware channels =95 Accelerates Microsoft DirectSound and DirectSound 3D =95 Processes bit resolutions from 4-bit to 16-bit =95 Processes sample rates from 5kHz to 48kHz =95 Hardware full duplex support enables simultaneous record and = playback at =95 8 standard sample rates =95 Utilizes AC 97 Audio Codec =95 Supports Sound Blaster MIDI and MPU-401 modes =20 =95 On-Board Connectors: =95 Line in =95 Microphone in =95 Line Level Out (front) / Headphone Out =95 Line Level Out (rear) =95 15-pin MIDI / Joystick port =95 Telephone Answering Device In =95 MPC-3 Analog CD Audio In =95 MPC-3 AUX Audio In =95 SPDIF Audio In =20 =95 Sound Card Only (no drivers or software are included) The search string for a card for a system only 78 years old shows how = little the throwaway anti-ecology=20 "high tech" (more like "high toxin") industry has people willingly = expecting. The "high" stands for high profit-margin as the only = motivation. My search will never find anything, esp. given that the search engine = war went to a company hell-bent on refusing the world use to its own = history, knowledge, and tools: "Creative Sound Blaster Audigy" AND ("EMU10K2" OR "CA0100" OR = "CA0101") AND "PCM" AND "MIDI" AND ("PCIe x4" OR "PCIe x8" OR "PCI-X") I was sent the following: Cards do NOT fit and run in any slot if the slots and card inserts are = kept in the "need to know" zone. False advertising and planned obsolescence run the industry. That isn't why I got my ASCST and BSCS degrees in the late 1980s. I have standardized slots for in my Dell PowerEdge T300 server as = follows: slot 1: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 with x8 connector slot 2: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 slot 3: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 slot 4: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 slot 5: 3.3-V, full-length PCI-X The technology may have switched, like Apple changing connectors or the = "hit factory" music industry changing media, however, the programs are = worse, the computers die from bad 1/2-cent capacitor placement next to = heat sources, and the music gets more PCfully-banal every day. So, I guess I choose "none of the above". I'll program w/o that whiney noise droning from some narcissist's = beefed-up genderless lips. Soundcards, like the "open" Apples of the II+ era, memory management, = platform-independent programming, quality assurance, and scientific = search engines have all been murdered because they hurt someone's = feelings no doubt. The FreeBSD list needs to actually be based in less of a Venn-diagram = abstract and more in a list or real card models numbers which have been = verified, but that would be documentation and QA, and science. This 1984 = world of 2+2=3D5 with all of its labor-instensive "convenience" gives us = the delusion of wisdom when we reinvent the ball over and over and = over... and quite by accident. For me, it's a choice: smash the hell out of this useless card as was = done in "Office Space" to that mind-numbing printer error programmer in = effigy, or, spend more life time pretending I'll solve anything besides = building up Jeff Bezos' bank account and social control by circling = (x,y)=3D(0.0) in flatland, the zero-sum of "high tech". My question about sound? How sound is it to ruin the future by deleting the past before its = shadow even climbs out of bed? I save money in my fleeting past to pay for stuff that lasts a shorter = and shorter period BY POLICY. The old Apple people put their feet down and started manufacturing their = own cards when tech pimps kept reducing support and manuals for what you = just paid for until you are buying something already outdated or broken = by design. At times like these I am embarrassed to have worked in this field and = very sorry I decided to write software at all. Sound depressed? Yes. I apologize for the rant but working w/o a voice is slavish. Have a better weekend than I, chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 08:27:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699F4F004FC for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 08:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07DEF6BF38 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 08:27:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518337639; bh=b8rMUeWS1RfZML06dPRSihouYSpavsKNRpk6olzWn+o=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=v9rVmEF0mA/wYAWAoVyYqNJxtBRFDRmEA4S8bOCUshe4MBEF74z7nmPiYvJjbBKsF MNJRynRHhT7fOwUFFnmcCUvxlMS+TxRe7kmK9mWyo6VxkoCHgwNt3IZwVBVhYNgbIk Sl/0TuSIsuHdYsXhCKlczk94beaWZYpgDCyll6ew= Subject: Re: VSCom PCIe-200 serial card To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00c63dc2-0f0e-1c8f-aad4-9437333f81f6@nethead.se> <5c30bc1027462cffcf9ab3a539bbcbe7@mky.waw.pl> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 09:27:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5c30bc1027462cffcf9ab3a539bbcbe7@mky.waw.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 08:27:22 -0000 On 02/10/18 22:05, Marek Krawczyk wrote: > > > W dniu 2018-02-10 11:58, Per olof Ljungmark napisał(a): >> Hi all, >> >> I suppose I'm out of luck with this board? >> >> none0@pci0:7:0:0:       class=0x070002 card=0x00000000 chip=0x035213a8 >> rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 >>     vendor     = 'Exar Corp.' >>     class      = simple comms >>     subclass   = UART >> >> Is there a one or two port serial card that works in FreeBSD? > > Have you tried puc(4) driver? > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=puc&sektion=4 > > There are definitions in sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c regarding VSCOM hardware: > > const struct puc_cfg puc_pci_devices[] = { > [...] >         {   0x10b5, 0x1076, 0x10b5, 0x1076, >             "VScom PCI-800", >             DEFAULT_RCLK * 8, >             PUC_PORT_8S, 0x18, 0, 8, >         }, > >         {   0x10b5, 0x1077, 0x10b5, 0x1077, >             "VScom PCI-400", >             DEFAULT_RCLK * 8, >             PUC_PORT_4S, 0x18, 0, 8, >         }, > >         {   0x10b5, 0x1103, 0x10b5, 0x1103, >             "VScom PCI-200", >             DEFAULT_RCLK * 8, >             PUC_PORT_2S, 0x18, 4, 0, >         }, Yes, but it only refers to older PCI cards, not PCIe. Thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 10:20:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8807F09163 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36A1570BC5 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1518344415; x=1520936415; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=xWfLKTNODcdis6FIIyq/P8RLcvkqxtlnk00oQcQD1pw=; b=JxH0ljZJpRLVn8G/jjNnGPnyKVMKVzxU72HbvEzm72TRmSlqYtMSX3/4kUZVZxqBu8trNleIfazHH+zWRMAGtxfwilm5NTe2lppH2+JcB0RTxDMKRuZJ/1d4CKqGjVvnk/J0a8F1KmdsDPYQEqlDzOqxxNxYyIIXkNQ/onjeDu0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44ZTAwMDAwMDNmOGYxYi5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:20:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256) Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:19:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ekojh-00007J-BY; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:19:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:19:53 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: C Gray Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-Id: <20180211101953.f172f246fe0a8d19fd0e15b6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:20:11 -0000 On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:07:28 -0800 C Gray wrote: > So, I ordered the Creative Sound Blaster Live! SB0060: > • Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! PCI Sound Card > • General Features: > • Interface: PCI Note PCI not PCIe or PCI-X but PCI an older bus standard. I strongly suspect that when that card was designed neither PCIe nor PCI-X existed. > My search will never find anything, esp. given that the search engine war > went to a company hell-bent on refusing the world use to its own history, > knowledge, and tools: "Creative Sound Blaster Audigy" AND ("EMU10K2" OR > "CA0100" OR "CA0101") AND "PCM" AND "MIDI" AND ("PCIe x4" OR "PCIe x8" OR > "PCI-X") > > I was sent the following: > Cards do NOT fit and run in any slot if the slots and card inserts are > kept in the "need to know" zone. > > False advertising and planned obsolescence run the industry. I see no false advertising - it clearly states PCI not PCIe or PCI-X. > That isn't why I got my ASCST and BSCS degrees in the late 1980s. > > I have standardized slots for in my Dell PowerEdge T300 server as follows: > slot 1: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 with x8 connector > slot 2: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 > slot 3: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 4: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 5: 3.3-V, full-length PCI-X Yep no PCI slots so why did you buy a PCI card ? > The FreeBSD list needs to actually be based in less of a Venn-diagram FreeBSD will happily drive that card if you run it on a machine with a PCI slot. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 19:04:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F9FF0E890 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aitor.acedo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x23f.google.com (mail-vk0-x23f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::23f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F109085926 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:04:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aitor.acedo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x23f.google.com with SMTP id o17so2496433vke.19 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:04:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version; bh=CM4MfKd48dpw/MP+WAX48uRLwFI4tTh0VUZ59xoFZnI=; b=gTzMnARbEB7rARmv5Or+p8juVJm5Rqz3LOj36yqPVAYvUVmk2pYKa0ZMeggb/FHLJn xCkNBdqJS5epxJee3wSftWQHyXPkmVZUA0Kpqh7QxgeycTlLq+Zm9Fus+JigO6Q8czlU vsPShSex6roH9ZzKcwDGR93U6tI3fMtYqPxKiqrAtoeQP53LSWHdrXJh9AnbpCUncL2L H3WRRZ5SPLjJIzqgpTMVr8QAuHxu8/DScolkN/p1t9Koy6tjl9+8oI3zKH/vsw9xX39R bBEgzevJaB/Kn1ToUVdpWmGbeM1J/MR3XW5Ghcbn2gAfsAaWave5lUmQkQPTro4Y9mTA ryzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version; bh=CM4MfKd48dpw/MP+WAX48uRLwFI4tTh0VUZ59xoFZnI=; b=ITQhDNNcWdZ0p764VaHGF5m1Fix3jJ7K2KCryOLt0QL3QiYBwVdFlLYPf4gef/6VlX 1+UZnShvdXo2N8AxEs2hRyluQ1HgUm64G1BgaIXdtjBbkMwM5XMSW7O310Zrswj9echI GkLLGAOqwg65IcmBkdOqTVP5c1hPstW3LGadQADV3/u0GWG2v3BYAYdpCgK61ydwcNEq tw39+TkFwOmi72rK9UeuKFLeIaIQqkQNYS7+UVsPqL225mYndPD97vhW70T3LGmJmPJe vA1SWMnvL4mOchfLvz/jiGhJM3Yq2U0YwjCQui29f17n0gTi9/Z/DbYr+zC+GvWz811l Lx/A== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPA8Yq+RWhznHAqB3ivz6m3HdBfKemGCTmoFyw1dAQEQnbbA7d1R MADfaSOPgL4ZM1w4CtJLKBh4Era1fA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2277X3DCKM5GXBwXFFaQ8ZKHPx1OfiXiyfu+wJKiyfjy85pOc6fXvwEg2wLtESsNqRIWhgPtrrFh3A== X-Received: by 10.31.54.205 with SMTP id d196mr832781vka.14.1518375876320; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Already-Archived: Yes X-Google-Already-Archived-Group-Id: af28cfb1dd X-Google-Doc-Id: 841afe28b5f2f X-Google-Thread-Id: a3e06d4fb67b4c1a X-Google-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/ml-freebsd-questions/msg/841afe28b5f2f X-Google-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/ml-freebsd-questions/t/a3e06d4fb67b4c1a X-Google-Web-Client: true Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:04:35 -0800 (PST) From: aitor.acedo@gmail.com To: ml-freebsd-questions Message-Id: <0f072d7c-f9ea-4066-b2e9-bf08c05f0609@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: weird screen problem MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-IP: 87.221.117.68 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:39:13 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:04:37 -0000 Hello, I faced a very similar problem assigning screen as shell for some user accounts, I have to setup SHELL environment variable. I could find my problem comparing the env output from a xterm session which is working properly with env screen session, making use of env && sleep 10 commands in a custom shell script, it's a dirty way of doing it but it works for me. I hope you can at least find the difference between to sessions. Regards, Aitor On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 8:16:42 AM UTC+2, Zane C. B-H. wrote: > > Recently had a power outage and after coming back up I started having > the issue with screen below. > > csh: The terminal database could not be opened. > csh: using dumb terminal settings. > > The odd thing is I don't have any issues with xterm or the like, just > screen. > > So far I've been setting around this via. > > setenv TERM xterm > > Any one have any ideas on this? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-...@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 20:10:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD8F13CFB for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ECAF68CC0 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: awvkcuMVM1n5oSUmsaPbtHBkHK4bA.nliPAbKDEGPxNV8ZDhXxU_1hIv3cwoBNL YGtbbQxPaZo_HZ1EPRteOLpP0SoQKCrrIO_U2iJDR.KwbWsW8xzhRQy83nnOcdMTDoPSn6i1_veU A1gJD23sW_SpTlwssn00ETFDsSJ8zWm.ttsiL2jRstuRTudrnrIZGNSJ1JZfWojtFSU7izz7jmig zKzs_K9iYDx88TQX93SgFAor9UhLu177yFiyoxmJmGMTaY1XTtPxUVVN16mCDOIpqqS4sPwQgP9L sNuDmIzUkRIvO.E.Pi53YUFjoTDZiTKL_jLLKGO38D33WiZXYKv.UE84PGSUJXi433x7g2nUC3qz Uk8sPNBbgMfhbuDEPQjKinf8r1s6UKNGCtWTfR0MeifpRXUnKMFpBW11ybm.JEuK99LYhOWjJvgt Pknt4FTT3k0Fo8m33SjngIGWBgMEXBPSa2Jrw_2.kyVNensb6HH5ZjpHUmgF_lASod0Zl6paFebm 00BDjh2V37yl9s06snkNcC4vuQMWK5z0KyTPbws8tnWcEUk.jTGg- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:10:01 +0000 Received: from smtp163.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.126]) by smtp413.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID ef629bf5b8c38fb157f85b063515dd77 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:10:00 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-ID: <20180211211000.11902d37@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:10:09 -0000 My RME HDSPe AIO PCIe card works better using FreeBSD, than using Linux, while Linux is better for real-time audio usage than FreeBSD. In my experiences the best a FLOSS audio user could do, is using Linux instead of FreeBSD, with a class compliant USB audio device. I purchased a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen for my iPad, actually this prosumer device works better with my Linux audio workstaion, than my professional RME card, so next time I'll get a professional class compliant USB audio device for my Linux audio worksation. I don't have a FreeBSD install anymore, so I can't test if class compliant USB audio devices work under FreeBSD. Consider to get a cheap class compliant USB audio device in the cosumer quality range of your EMU10K1 and test, if FreeBSD is able to handle class compliant USB audio devices. Audio is a niche, much more when using a FLOSS operating system. It's impossible to provide a list without failure listing sound cards that work or don't work with a FLOSS operating system, since there are too many pitfalls -- $ pacman -Q linux{,-rt-securityink,-rt,-rt-pussytoes,-rt-cornflower} linux 4.15.2-2 linux-rt-securityink 4.14.18_rt15-1 linux-rt 4.14.12_rt10-1 linux-rt-pussytoes 4.14.8_rt9-2 linux-rt-cornflower 4.11.12_rt16-1 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 20:39:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BE8F162FC for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic304-23.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic304-23.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C756C6A100 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: WilrfSkVM1kDHM7Hy0I92PFpkMA9bULiLALM2R.swqd0O0x6PzfrY7VUNSWu2_5 KqcvRJ8BeafZLzL4qh3Ktm.1pdeWBy_yqRzkHti9Yskv8C1FIOYPBhe1GoWp2GAuQU150YntLi61 UkQ75ZzC0jZlLiDa2hU1_B9HFjbIvLh51QkgsZKCDX9WjKkJasEYBNht5j6GgRG.ajpPwfRZx5Ay zDtsv0q.0fOrxy7ei.OdsdSVBeTKPOt0eda_qt4gtWmyTGeHkV9eIxrHAvUwE4HrCQKJ78G5odRH c9JJNeC965cvG6pJZHvO7j6_ECB9L6H.OBJ7CVGCUPHeXrv8vv_om8m8iEbIqvaqg1t72MP__TvC UkHaVQ6aRKmRWBR83Krueaxi1DCzhUKm1KM8nKZzqI.EUMnbOZwlIJ6AzLr5YqbS8F1xuGatcQxx xY5UMeMWxNmRBaP3ZWoseBfI5YixeJzAO_1cDV2kGSY69ah78GdZ5eSqDhXrJCVphikWu6N1b6h9 ENViLfA47c1WGw2p7yrhPF51jIPhKic4TxdVJAwW8X9DbUiM99yU- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:39:12 +0000 Received: from smtp161.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.124]) by smtp415.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 34d6484db2defe872d98eea8dcf27fb5 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:29:02 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-ID: <20180211212902.03dfe503@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20180211211000.11902d37@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20180211211000.11902d37@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:39:21 -0000 On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:10:00 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >My RME HDSPe AIO PCIe card works better using FreeBSD, than using >Linux, while Linux is better for real-time audio usage than FreeBSD. >In my experiences the best a FLOSS audio user could do, is using Linux >instead of FreeBSD, with a class compliant USB audio device. I >purchased a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen for my iPad, actually >this prosumer device works better with my Linux audio workstaion, than >my professional RME card, so next time I'll get a professional class >compliant USB audio device for my Linux audio worksation. I don't have >a FreeBSD install anymore, so I can't test if class compliant USB audio >devices work under FreeBSD. Consider to get a cheap class compliant USB >audio device in the cosumer quality range of your EMU10K1 and test, if >FreeBSD is able to handle class compliant USB audio devices. Audio is a >niche, much more when using a FLOSS operating system. It's impossible >to provide a list without failure listing sound cards that work or >don't work with a FLOSS operating system, since there are too many >pitfalls PS: While PCI whatsover solts soon or later will be discontinued, I guess USB ports will stay for a longer time, than your and mine lifespan. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 21:28:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892B2F19DC1 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28AAE6C23E for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:28:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518384498; bh=f2i3vXsugC6oRU6bWsuI59La3+M0GQDm+z01HAdGuMo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=TrFt5XDzw9s3a8LlLkdGoXvCiuvf2BMV69A2SkT79mgXx/0scePSW0dOqWbaFwYoY arneXnieBNcfU28w7uYJRzo6KilT1tcJGBx/t+JHxGgu7k+ci1DgnH9vp5FFHHiDmu w8MdSAwhMjr+22jwPWf+HRiNAdV2nbyNbcBtjB7I= Subject: Re: Anyone knows how to control backlight on a Thinkpad T520 ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <05cd30aa-6064-b5ab-e56e-424c4a9d803c@nethead.se> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: <924ebd6e-166d-4f06-c7a5-7884760aef2d@nethead.se> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:28:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <05cd30aa-6064-b5ab-e56e-424c4a9d803c@nethead.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:28:20 -0000 Responding to myself for the sake of completness. It was me... On 02/06/18 00:46, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > It worked with the Fn+ on the former TP's I had but not this > one. It's getting a little old but I love the keyboard and the Nvidia > graphics. > Adrian Chadd : > Does it have more than one gpu in it? Of course, I've been running with the nvidia chip as default for so long I forgot about it. vgapci0: port 0x5000-0x507f mem 0xf2000000-0xf2ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0000000-0xf1ffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: Boot video device If I switch the BIOS to Intel as default vgapci1: port 0x6000-0x603f mem 0xf1400000-0xf17fffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0 drmn1: on vgapci1 backlight works in all modes. Sorry for my negligence. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 22:36:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9EAF1F3A8 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricera10@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B74DB6F484 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricera10@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id x21so9819630oie.13 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MvoMCTDsAmyBhi1uopPPQk6gbXlPE4aN0CFiVU22Djc=; b=jdN6DnjPeVl5XntZL1w4qNS48MyG6hgx/2pK8z6ubMLsoToSSj4TKPco+CwqB0CVMa 5SjQkrVq4gLUUs+Cn1IiBFqiHeaIhQk21TFlB8Hmw67ifM+gdqsvBnxTOgK52bv08jsm /Wpja7REYwqiKhiOOf2nCiUc2Pnw/CXZwqhCZDWU5fKnwDgAt4X1S272X1cSf94JQvAE FN/g9EPS3nyHPnfpE6bJv3l346vPLC8Xi5GB1/2a8KSZGaIt5jG7YDmCqDFeBDhrWk2z a91AkPhHhc9l4YrDrIRGp4pgtdq6v1PaFhJ+Q6wPFHdJLOFisN4ImVlGEFi514vXlBNR RI8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MvoMCTDsAmyBhi1uopPPQk6gbXlPE4aN0CFiVU22Djc=; b=mOSs+vtkUZLxhwE+iSGrzxzsqoczz0BgpNWbXRHHIcTQ5D47zXj4uYkZvanF5bDtF4 Glm3r/Aj0GX/N22P14iQMQEw9C2U14Yv/s3tanwS63p0EP+9rjqgTqEv90+AlS69apK7 nVlKOysmbLtfEW4XXUZUjPnd+O4W2v/pkoNoH77+wYt+mX0ybJys+fDlcCWoxXVF9SzV 4QV6NiCl5tfkXP4CxvlpigvXXe7LRMOTfarc98M8g2ap97hnoHnVce/sl6/saZjrspZM staV+FgauXrxGPWQLJUa04TJhVOxhglNWe0VkJJxuw+Jr1llfcqiAgsvUbXbZPT3VJF1 Byjw== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCci/DkSCLQ1jbi9bSwx+97MqadFOkl0UqI08rqDRv5ET/6SK37 ZTBd+Ddxa8K//jRLSNrGdh2oIPmlC4W6smp1JhTXHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225yiHuI8ltNHjycEbZXbp5MV2D6KYBf8EmflQZOp5Yrnd3Vy1IjefmQqKfBu59tv7FvZQMzUUQ0A2/1VZQ0Pps= X-Received: by 10.202.3.67 with SMTP id 64mr6212213oid.205.1518388587813; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:36:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eric Joyner Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time To: C Gray Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:29 -0000 Why not just get a PCI-E sound card in the first place? I don't know why someone would go out of their way to get a PCI one in 2018. - Eric On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 8:20 PM C Gray wrote: > So, I ordered the Creative Sound Blaster Live! SB0060: > a) it is an accepted EMU10K1 chipset; > b) it is listed as supported in FreeBSD's snd_emu10kx(4) driver < > https://freebsd.org/releases/11.1R/hardware.html#sound>; > c) it does not state PCIe x4 or x8. > d) < > http://txmicro.com/creative-labs-sound-blaster-live-pci-sound-card-sb0060= />> > is a typical listing, > usually found leading to dead web pages, a loss-leader, or an > no-return Amazon store. > > =E2=80=A2 Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! PCI Sound Card > =E2=80=A2 General Features: > =E2=80=A2 Interface: PCI > =E2=80=A2 E-mu Systems, Inc. EMU10K1 chipset > =E2=80=A2 64-voice hardware polyphony with E-mus patented 8-point > interpolation technology > =E2=80=A2 48 MIDI channels with 128 GM & GS compatible instrument= s and 10 > drum kits > =E2=80=A2 Support for real-time digital effects like reverb, chor= us, > flanger, > =E2=80=A2 pitch shifter, or distortion across any audio source > =E2=80=A2 Capable of processing, mixing and positioning audio str= eams > using up to 131 > =E2=80=A2 available hardware channels > =E2=80=A2 Accelerates Microsoft DirectSound and DirectSound 3D > =E2=80=A2 Processes bit resolutions from 4-bit to 16-bit > =E2=80=A2 Processes sample rates from 5kHz to 48kHz > =E2=80=A2 Hardware full duplex support enables simultaneous recor= d and > playback at > =E2=80=A2 8 standard sample rates > =E2=80=A2 Utilizes AC 97 Audio Codec > =E2=80=A2 Supports Sound Blaster MIDI and MPU-401 modes > =E2=80=A2 On-Board Connectors: > =E2=80=A2 Line in > =E2=80=A2 Microphone in > =E2=80=A2 Line Level Out (front) / Headphone Out > =E2=80=A2 Line Level Out (rear) > =E2=80=A2 15-pin MIDI / Joystick port > =E2=80=A2 Telephone Answering Device In > =E2=80=A2 MPC-3 Analog CD Audio In > =E2=80=A2 MPC-3 AUX Audio In > =E2=80=A2 SPDIF Audio In > =E2=80=A2 Sound Card Only (no drivers or software are included) > > The search string for a card for a system only 78 years old shows how > little the throwaway anti-ecology > "high tech" (more like "high toxin") industry has people willingly > expecting. The "high" stands for high profit-margin as the only motivatio= n. > > My search will never find anything, esp. given that the search engine war > went to a company hell-bent on refusing the world use to its own history, > knowledge, and tools: > "Creative Sound Blaster Audigy" AND ("EMU10K2" OR "CA0100" OR > "CA0101") AND "PCM" AND "MIDI" AND ("PCIe x4" OR "PCIe x8" OR "PCI-X") > > I was sent the following: > Cards do NOT fit and run in any slot if the slots and card inserts are > kept in the "need to know" zone. > > False advertising and planned obsolescence run the industry. > That isn't why I got my ASCST and BSCS degrees in the late 1980s. > > I have standardized slots for in my Dell PowerEdge T300 server as follows= : > slot 1: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 with x8 connector > slot 2: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 > slot 3: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 4: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 5: 3.3-V, full-length PCI-X > > The technology may have switched, like Apple changing connectors or the > "hit factory" music industry changing media, however, the programs are > worse, the computers die from bad 1/2-cent capacitor placement next to he= at > sources, and the music gets more PCfully-banal every day. > > So, I guess I choose "none of the above". > I'll program w/o that whiney noise droning from some narcissist's > beefed-up genderless lips. > Soundcards, like the "open" Apples of the II+ era, memory management, > platform-independent programming, quality assurance, and scientific searc= h > engines have all been murdered because they hurt someone's feelings no > doubt. > > The FreeBSD list needs to actually be based in less of a Venn-diagram > abstract and more in a list or real card models numbers which have been > verified, but that would be documentation and QA, and science. This 1984 > world of 2+2=3D5 with all of its labor-instensive "convenience" gives us = the > delusion of wisdom when we reinvent the ball over and over and over... an= d > quite by accident. > > For me, it's a choice: smash the hell out of this useless card as was don= e > in "Office Space" to that mind-numbing printer error programmer in effigy= , > or, spend more life time pretending I'll solve anything besides building = up > Jeff Bezos' bank account and social control by circling (x,y)=3D(0.0) in > flatland, the zero-sum of "high tech". > > My question about sound? > How sound is it to ruin the future by deleting the past before its shadow > even climbs out of bed? > I save money in my fleeting past to pay for stuff that lasts a shorter an= d > shorter period BY POLICY. > The old Apple people put their feet down and started manufacturing their > own cards when tech pimps kept reducing support and manuals for what you > just paid for until you are buying something already outdated or broken b= y > design. > At times like these I am embarrassed to have worked in this field and ver= y > sorry I decided to write software at all. > > Sound depressed? Yes. > I apologize for the rant but working w/o a voice is slavish. > Have a better weekend than I, > chris > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 00:57:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7ECF06812 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31B3674FE2 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LalbM-1eMg2e3nGS-00kMJk; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:56:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:56:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Eric Joyner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-Id: <20180212015652.2550d87d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:sZeXAXpZsuMXxnHW8DNQOIgfZPCNuUKwzeLX2URV7v/MRrLCZ8e dTXo91IAkvdZcbMtYmeXUhc0sLELeMscS2YyUyaplIb4KvQDcImGzvibKUAI3B7neootrSl t2DwQRqsHTXt3clD6kAHxlICS1LdoNRmD+l5YFMISN7qy+hevQ4qtdNVMroQFEOyJmPEhcn E1OecteikxIFQX+NIy/6g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:D8ww8M4RRPY=:/iOGKLk2P/5Lz/C03wXy8n ICzu3QP48l24yVNX1Iny7zKHEOUNXlJQ3Z1NGVMX13qskXRvsv4L6s4H/r3a1LflHS6Vj5aTo OSCRKssyV/gHEaIkU6VobFabRC0vz7eiTV630i4IP57iMDF6e4CQ5wJ6e1MLf3USVAEMMfHDT GaWF8k/4vYU4h1jqYN1qYfbF9Mt1msvfDCudLcdypoNIuNTh7psESQrq7OYZGNBn6pmkBv0k9 sGNnw/4qjesZPjTKQ07Ny0fNPknFXM6S0yxh8UhRFpydPfpvFgYAC98gQu1KgkL11Ya1ipF0a 8g/S3B2HJmaZQvAmnsthcJp4C1R2s1umACnQdlG3aFD6jHIMzyx8/r3FMKKi26c3ZH053A4b0 XWAbh+2mfcKWXFirQTocOHVsLXlLz19N97h1tb2Q9PnrQX61vcJ7/oiuOsYikC2NJqUzKhjUA K7ZCP0NQncsXvVgAce/xv7bk9rvXMIUAUB2S2IqX09a8oS37zQfsmfe+8hBeAzhOGcbnIAciH bXYL5UaLlb/naAfu3n5+Zf1rUlENgrS84YOIsKF07Rz3Hk+2vun4d9ejbiqp1jZFojXt/eO7+ Ue8TX+LHY/pqYzD1KIgjz2bVgTzvgoOPHgDPpLioDI0UYO2+s3YaYAjjDHu3CC7fRHP0Vi8dp rgM4xGCZnaUUM4WHusw/BpLdiVPcRSyFvMdu0IUNYzmKbkmh5ZtKcy180QqrQ/zV4WhI3F/Z3 Xo85bLEp220eEYr0cS0s7SYZzSuz6MLLOsmtBmEuI3DMyRcE40RqEY/JrsU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:57:02 -0000 On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:17 +0000, Eric Joyner wrote: > Why not just get a PCI-E sound card in the first place? I don't know why > someone would go out of their way to get a PCI one in 2018. MIDI interface? Just guessing... In the past, you had to introduce a sound card (usually 8-bit or 16-bit ISA slot on AT and early ATX), but then the onboard sound became standard. Personally, I was disappointed about the quality of the first AC'97-based chipsets so I put in a sound card (with CMI chipset) and it was much better, especially regarding the CD audio, line-in and microphone connectors. Today, as I don't do any (more or less) professional audio anymore, I'd say the builtin audio capabilities are sufficient in most cases, and "USB sound cards" are the way to go where they are not sufficient. It seems to be much easier to deal with those, even though it's a matter of "trial & error" regarding system support. But testing USB devices is of course easier than testing PCI cards. Plus - they can be used on several systems without much problems, it's as simple as "plug pull" and "plug insert". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 02:29:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327AFF0D16F for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic305-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic305-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1C7778777 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 8y6JtOQVM1kgm6JxkmfLj8qbjBGRgmkLCASzN9ERb4bMxfVM6rOgEP6ky5OG708 TQ3rhVvEEa5vDP3XDHYsTDY.DfeCAL7kbDekon6TRja4VlR69_KtPC8WDIKTKQ.uzvef0TpRe7us bFPwDu8uEmWWinsrGTDoiUoMh3nl2z8_KzW_mqA3MxaAixM2IkWHhPd6sU4a226SvAgbtCqAsT3p Pegezbo9y4TeoWMH1tOrgEzT.iYa7UYXLCS9rMb_ii8KotkmirmP1cyny7imJXk9GwK5Uqv7EMSM 97voQ9Pvg7dz54MOdIFauaKgVa_X1luNlCmQP1_dKXtgtVuItWPnDmTwJFJioqb5JVTnHE7X94Lx QS9phASBotaM57ba1TzirUFm8a1lLyI4CE_f5ex9LchHCqWkaFDbFKZR5Yawx68LEQJU46koMqth auHOp8Ief0UlCVAMw0iOSkm3UQAMC49fNHKKy96S88vt1.ePlG.l.oy3s7bKIzD2bIJFrO3oN75j mujxioTjJIiCwBnjMfmdrU_kLKq7K1T5tT9m7JouyMrpivAm6uTA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:29:26 +0000 Received: from smtp161.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.124]) by smtp413.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 55f30ba5a2c68b9df3ad951e6d9a1017 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 03:19:15 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-ID: <20180212031915.4b2f6c7b@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20180212015652.2550d87d.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180212015652.2550d87d.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:29:34 -0000 On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:56:52 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:17 +0000, Eric Joyner wrote: >> Why not just get a PCI-E sound card in the first place? I don't know >> why someone would go out of their way to get a PCI one in 2018. > >MIDI interface? Just guessing... At least expensive PCIe cards provide MIDI, too. USB MIDI often suffers from too much jitter, indeed, my mobo still allows to use an old Envy24 PCI card + my RME PCIe card for (audio and) MIDI and I wouldn't drop them, if I should get an USB audio device for my Linux PC, but continue using them as MIDI interfaces. >Plus - they can be used on several systems without much problems, it's >as simple as "plug pull" and "plug insert". Class compliant USB audio interfaces have a few pitfalls. Before I got the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen for my iPad, I tested a Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL. It drains too much power for the iPad, so I needed to add an active USB hub, to get rid of the power issue, but then there still were issues, so I returned the Presonus to the dealer. Both USB interfaces are working with my Linux PC, but the Focusrite could be used with lower latency, than the Presonus. Another issue with class compliant interfaces could be missing features, that are only provided, if a driver for this card is available, e.g. build in effects or monitor routing. USB ports are tricky e.g. regarding shared IRQs, but usually it should be possible to find an USB port that doesn't cause issues. If so, USB 2 allows to use 18 inputs and 20 outputs, assuming the PC has the horse power to handle the DSP load. However, for audio I only will buy USB interfaces in the future, because it indeed is nearly as simple as "plug pull" and "plug insert". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 03:35:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4514FF11920 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 03:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x22d.google.com (mail-ot0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1B3A7AE35 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 03:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id m20so12764921otf.3 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:35:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bPgGXhX+o0IH/KEc5yD4BIPnnYMDo9ZwKuLR8Zq68vo=; b=Ku8ygnRPFnI2WvO13Bfw0zQi83SpoX92ms18SBS5v4mk+Au/D9voSC0Ha3xLBd4zxg Y6iXrfeeYzEFfNemJCREMCLsLaiLaPbqJLSqcf84AOaLqnsjDDgy+eeBCGtJd04xsBxp tpeIs9FhAekTBB0LPTtKPzm7ohECXro7jaY0TPrYXBQ5KrllZzyIXdbwxPQ3ZoFkSyuz XB+3bMKT37/pTqb0a3p2iT4zSd3AtOHW8sA4WTWGJ9GqhA5YND8nAlbv2UA3xtum/Tq6 Z/Ozm/bAsWpPtKtyEHIlxqxx4ff+yQciPBX0M1fgothUkfHF52MzW5pNNA0Esj2tQUjE BocA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bPgGXhX+o0IH/KEc5yD4BIPnnYMDo9ZwKuLR8Zq68vo=; b=N0CW5hqTxaCI/CGgFFl2v/GrQ//QTHCzk21NztBjiZOzvy8Qq7zQHJWm/W44wqXAyN 85BLdXZhL6N6VStsPszlXiSlOaDheTW2MRqo8J+c3BPdotqtPDWTBxhz+CRLrCQppXIr aEExTlhrT/JNQTxH4SP5Bri9dl7cEinjowQqTZSzyUM7CH+Uuuv6oksqvCJwPiQMiaGE P+Fm895bEmDpFcv/yz+853As5YjIrbXcnZeDGAzwwfNE6YZrco5t4Q9aZSxWZoTALBFe 8y/HyT7eBsYSOojXz9k1SRFnGt0BpH8HBumKpTaxfjj/AVnVjZPbKafQ444MbLc4iMHL /e+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCe1g2MwgZP247+TuopaERga3zpdRRqAsnU6v+EnJ5y58eXilxc CcBRTR/EnXLJYgSQlQguERSSviio+20gKQNdl7h0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224U4ZsOBKw9q8BlI7f+iT5yJl0BttxK0irzZDpz3cTIzqe5bgMPMC9bPN8NndBnWiF4dCLlbftA24toYbU8Fko= X-Received: by 10.157.23.46 with SMTP id i46mr7375920ota.61.1518406525947; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:35:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.168.184.138 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Belics Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:35:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: x265 port and HI12P support To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 03:35:27 -0000 Upgrading x265 port tonight gives me the option to enable HI10P and HI12P support but I can't find what either of those things are. 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Message-id: <1044BFBB-EB94-4937-A5B3-9AEAE7E757A3@icloud.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D60) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 04:20:20 -0000 l know x201i use intel HD graphic video card ,but on latest version of freeb= sd 11.1 video card driver not works. I try to add =20 Driver "intel" =20 to config file xorg.conf.etc Device section. but in log file it's say unable load intel module. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind Regards,=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 05:00:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FFAF17943 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F80D7E464 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0McnTN-1f2UZA1H05-00Hzgr; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:54:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:54:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?UTF-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to make thinkpad x201i video card driver works ? 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You shouldn't have to. If the driver is installed, and X detects Intel graphics, it will load the driver. However, loading the kernel module is probably required (i915kms). > but in log file it's say unable load intel module. Did you _install_ the driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel)? It does not come with the X.org installation itself. More information here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Intel_Graphics https://negativo17.org/quickly-test-freebsd-11-with-kmsvt-newcons-support-hald-and-your-keyboard-layout/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 05:22:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95683F1963F for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drkokandy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12CB07FC27 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drkokandy@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id m11so16017817iob.2 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:22:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HzGgO/wla/AWW83V7S2lnqcl0bdLkLjNVoEMp6kkrWE=; b=c5tVqLXhBVih6etL3NZQ+EN6PH9qaocpX8l2Y0VNQ0acqK8aZ70/MNNBJHTjwxN6Rx QV2j2sQkdG2KIVkWpSOzmYbZ3AUJgFxZbbWa4ntjvskZ68+e0hPTY6idDvKBF9/05vs7 BDrhUd1fLC3ta6sG9fbC6ld2VCCkeeoEcWEfTKEF2f81nMGDWYubcWCD61R9O0w88iqw P5Chn1M2YSbroEIRE8Wu+tSOvkseKN4w7wFmR/SyiCuPhv9a1nAlu0+9M5XPnxA0GQQq mAJfj5AfuliPZnydpjPO7vpcYknVkOnMJPhNdcAMzDSVi0ziKybiUUa4bVlS+kr/SJZJ WM6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HzGgO/wla/AWW83V7S2lnqcl0bdLkLjNVoEMp6kkrWE=; b=ErSce4zdE4BMM93npQkTzCBFnGt4uL1bYhKEkFv8wLJCMz6m4Cs1MI+n5fQUkuuqnJ oHuLvpR1XYp99JTSOXmAaz/sPBjUg39VRgxkP7MresXrQBaJaVnqzgtf+f/uj9GQQQO7 VYZZtO2P0E+G0e8h8DkYjgFvas+42ERlq7lQGM2/faupVFLJAH2FkjbJo/oFdeu5jLda Do+fmSQt67/NG1TQqMJfgvTCb1PqdHxAVyPDi/yORVQNOv2XTzwUogHrgutlTiZkGDvm 2CChYpwbWAZYWLEuCNgHQauIaBRJ+d1ukByqSNF8nnWJsc4wsiDWjhE5lS3yDulKOYO+ Pa8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDrhqtQGAVzHfjYZXe2SF/ADHTgyEd0QxgSAQe5FPDwwRu3mBSz rYtQcmsXSZ7SD83IZfoU2+H1ttJYkJs8Ya8V7kNsBg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225/DiRIXgj9oer5WUZjuSxlQhP2xMEUWZ5V2jlwoi5sx4ca6tQlf7541Sfq+Cqru6yaNY+uSZashmoVRCTkME0= X-Received: by 10.107.180.16 with SMTP id d16mr12063926iof.244.1518412930003; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:22:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Kokandy Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:21:58 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Font color To: Ed D Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:22:12 -0000 If you Google something like "design why not to use black" you'll see a few results about this, for instance: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/how-the-web-became-unreadable/ tl;dr it's not actually a technical reason at all, but rather based on design principles. Since it's very hard to find objects in the world that are actually black and not just a dark gray, the majority of design trendsetters and art professors advise using against pure black in art and design. On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:07 PM Ed D wrote: > I'm very curious why all web site creators, young men I'm sure, use gray > font. Sometimes even medium gray on light grays background. Occasionally > lite gray font on white background. What's wrong with clean black? I'm sure > there some technical reason other than to just peeve older folks who have > hard time to read it. > > > Regards, Ed > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > " We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 08:44:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6BDF03493 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ailee.email@icloud.com) Received: from mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com (mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com [17.120.80.167]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 511E08743D for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ailee.email@icloud.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com by mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P410060015KA100@mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 07:44:52 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1518421492; bh=UaUKolYmnJhmqrgjScQnAL6bBXEulSVUUqV6Rsqs/BQ=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=w+GYzp+Lv9seD9RagHCxWReNqnHn5AdJfoiGSyeND6AybIB/8Zw6JhiuGrFJ02yNY wO/6GKtLNHXAZc40DHy6ORnurcGvNKVbcr8WD5gz80biJgEYPSB/Jn8sxMC0YrMXvc EIzPjlMMljLwnKGsDmFUcrtzVd5qGreKjBDxHdrJtWSc4RZ4BFKxv1DV49r04hRD55 FKhs3q6XEZYFEYIvgsmV9JSpm+/bkas1CROXHhafW/ViIlg8jaZkbKKPdgdxPZYnBg xEaFuzfrp4rp36F9RjAuf9LW8YykIgdak3qAFoQ+bBKPHgFdG7AW0cPbZX3N3B/guH DZ8o1nwz/i+dw== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P41008281IFPC00@mr29p60im-ztfb07091501.me.com>; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 07:44:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-12_04:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1802120101 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: How to make thinkpad x201i video card driver works ? From: =?utf-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D60) In-reply-to: <20180212055453.b0548785.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:44:38 +0800 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <24F67336-2B4C-471D-8E3E-F75D49C6B362@icloud.com> References: <1044BFBB-EB94-4937-A5B3-9AEAE7E757A3@icloud.com> <20180212055453.b0548785.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:44:59 -0000 Thinks Polytropon's quick replay, i will try it . > On 12 Feb 2018, at 12:54 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:03 +0800, =E6=9D=8E=E5=91=A8=E5=8D=8E wrote: >> l know x201i use intel HD graphic video card ,but on latest version >> of freebsd 11.1 video card driver not works. >>=20 >> I try to add =20 >> Driver "intel" =20 >> to config file xorg.conf.etc Device section. >=20 > You shouldn't have to. If the driver is installed, and X > detects Intel graphics, it will load the driver. However, > loading the kernel module is probably required (i915kms). >=20 >=20 >=20 >> but in log file it's say unable load intel module. >=20 > Did you _install_ the driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel)? > It does not come with the X.org installation itself. >=20 >=20 >=20 > More information here: >=20 > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Intel_Graphics >=20 > https://negativo17.org/quickly-test-freebsd-11-with-kmsvt-newcons-support-= hald-and-your-keyboard-layout/ >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Byrne" To: "Ed D" Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:42:45 -0000 On Sun, February 11, 2018 17:05, Ed D wrote: > I'm very curious why all web site creators, young men I'm sure, use > gray font. Sometimes even medium gray on light grays background. > Occasionally lite gray font on white background. What's wrong with > clean black? I'm sure there some technical reason other than to just > peeve older folks who have hard time to read it. > > > Regards, Ed 50 Shades of Gray(sic)? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 15:53:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B638F02E08 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA91D7BAEA for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DBB71803E; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:53:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Font color To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, Ed D Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <3c39f87d-db3e-3c04-499e-8a3a51c7950d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:53:09 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:53:17 -0000 On 02/12/18 08:42, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Sun, February 11, 2018 17:05, Ed D wrote: >> I'm very curious why all web site creators, young men I'm sure, use >> gray font. Sometimes even medium gray on light grays background. >> Occasionally lite gray font on white background. What's wrong with >> clean black? I'm sure there some technical reason other than to just >> peeve older folks who have hard time to read it. >> The common trend of modern websites is to obfuscate the information. Gray font on gray background if one of the great ways of making text unreadable. However, this already becomes the past, these days they remove text alltogether, all the websites have are huge pictures. Valeri >> >> Regards, Ed > > 50 Shades of Gray(sic)? > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 16:20:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ECFF04FCE for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:20:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C0B87CF52 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21C62422; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IGLv1OTUuWzI; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A411623E4; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: <95c2a035a6a8fd29cccb37c45ffa8278.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <3c39f87d-db3e-3c04-499e-8a3a51c7950d@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <3c39f87d-db3e-3c04-499e-8a3a51c7950d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Font color From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Valeri Galtsev" Cc: "Ed D" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:20:43 -0000 On Mon, February 12, 2018 10:53, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 02/12/18 08:42, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> On Sun, February 11, 2018 17:05, Ed D wrote: >>> I'm very curious why all web site creators, young men I'm sure, use >>> gray font. Sometimes even medium gray on light grays background. >>> Occasionally lite gray font on white background. What's wrong with >>> clean black? I'm sure there some technical reason other than to >>> just >>> peeve older folks who have hard time to read it. >>> > > The common trend of modern websites is to obfuscate the information. > Gray font on gray background if one of the great ways of making text > unreadable. However, this already becomes the past, these days they > remove text alltogether, all the websites have are huge pictures. > > Valeri > >>> >>> Regards, Ed >> >> 50 Shades of Gray(sic)? >> >> > One might even be tempted to say that these are 'Dark' patterns. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 17:22:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13D8F0A41E for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x22d.google.com (mail-ot0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7922280116 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id l5so14675892otj.11 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=a1/CWc8okQqpJlgEtPFg+Q3cd1zwt8eMTl+4jJXe6X0=; b=MmmIDS9wxlaawLtV3B26SVyh8z/dFcSNaUU62j71y1cgtzvgeYGIhukGl3H9ncKaYE Vuhe/vVJVFj5oogXEtUaa9bV6MvSnPkvmjW/kHRXfPZvw5XpgWnKe1G2BrYZ/bWo9C4N mJ5xPuwLOJ4F5BDPkFj/mt2FJxgv5ll/AeKrI7pIPG72ALKxPwY71IoE1gn8Vw7b+NLE sMx9Bt4jYqnaxFTJRX9yaR23bkIoqjsy0xo51auGm/h/ohX8CTzI6ebSu+qBqoYZ6iMU xHMFNaZHJFBHW7aMwzxWvFAYpHXx0etC4Y9gt7lX9UM8sRRji/s//oeGuxSxrsjPzwDI 6z3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=a1/CWc8okQqpJlgEtPFg+Q3cd1zwt8eMTl+4jJXe6X0=; b=BrQFgqo5tjhleJcz9DtQdD6dypPMJPbyZJyFl7yrfO0OQd4JmmOZ6ShfYMpAGfdLZ9 0ucZjIEnbHZTEkCgLBTcPfhcXJk6cD8dOn5IhL32mgAb4iltSQgVIEU8CFCw7G8rVkue iE4cTg1RPMUlIAN+Q2SRv3rG/bJHffZ1MqS/Iu2iPz+DZnFhQaGL9ct6PRBzTjSKRtgd 9ZVsFDp3J8tzIj7BKw5YQ4PWtWAG/45pLUei1eR7rXu2WK2WTB1Vb2ZXMEXuSyUEF395 6q0OahpCWkSxCSDzuzji3VprmhgQtp+MVJKcuywd7kj0G4mXCfZFTAuaZ4p+KPqyGruN EHOw== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPASgoPdXIyxfaTsdj4nW/vzsz3cvmTzMtbMvTtgLjpWLGZPdfRA h1GYSXhbff1ZIl2423bIGQU2xGIuJpubtQeDGebg X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224fhdSFBco7rGeNXRQw4rZkUNznr6CzkUks8NPCp+IWaaGffppkPu0FMbRi8ewNML1xFgRMYxhdRgYW9N7Y8yE= X-Received: by 10.157.23.46 with SMTP id i46mr8787231ota.61.1518456164677; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:22:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.168.184.138 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Belics Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:22:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Font color To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:22:46 -0000 While it is a design decision, the vast majority of art professors are not necessarily typographers. Though typography is art, too, what we see walking down the street is not the same as reading type. There is nothing wrong with black (#000). Boks still print in solid black with white background. If the glare of the white background is too much, you can decrease the contrast but, even then, one needs to be careful to maintain contrast. Yes, gray is a color, too, but using it means you have a reason to do so and, far too often, some web sites use gray text because someone else did, or they read about it somewhere, but no other reason they have knowledge of. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 18:52:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72036F11EA3 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jeays.ca) Received: from beaver.sibername.com (siber08d-beaver.clients.netelligent.ca [205.204.89.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 119AB85B42 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jeays.ca) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jeays.ca; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=3V1z6iPKnFxuxAJa8zYd4dshA6SXQvpi33FOUis2BsI=; b=uRk67n/qg3bKBKrjef5wX8ZhSG b6yE5G4mE7TEzL1ECiH/fVmtS33F91szpNk/ibl1L3KngpDOOka+aC004kC+fO7RrfAEtys7NIJWh 09MTIza5/Vyuz28oWxu9te7uU; Received: from cpe10bf48915890-cmbc4dfbbee820.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([174.113.149.93]:43278 helo=[192.168.1.9]) by beaver.sibername.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1elI4o-000B7u-Pb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:39:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Font color To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Mike Jeays Message-ID: <1b3e8203-4b30-e8f9-6660-4450a294958b@jeays.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:39:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - beaver.sibername.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jeays.ca X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: beaver.sibername.com: authenticated_id: mike@jeays.ca X-Authenticated-Sender: beaver.sibername.com: mike@jeays.ca X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:52:54 -0000 On 18-02-12 12:22 PM, Rob Belics wrote: > While it is a design decision, the vast majority of art professors are not > necessarily typographers. Though typography is art, too, what we see > walking down the street is not the same as reading type. > > There is nothing wrong with black (#000). Boks still print in solid black > with white background. If the glare of the white background is too much, > you can decrease the contrast but, even then, one needs to be careful to > maintain contrast. > > Yes, gray is a color, too, but using it means you have a reason to do so > and, far too often, some web sites use gray text because someone else did, > or they read about it somewhere, but no other reason they have knowledge of. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" About a year ago I wrote to the editor of the BCS magazine "IT Now", saying that light gray text, in a small font, was very hard for older people to read. He wrote back saying I had a good point, but I haven't seen any change in the magazine. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 12 21:08:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94041F1CEAD for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D2D66DC7D for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA90624DA for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:08:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TrQxqYeZUuN for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 955C262499 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:08:26 -0500 Message-ID: <591fb974bfecefce6bb1ae0e68d620a4.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:08:26 -0500 Subject: PROPFIND not From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:08:34 -0000 I am having problems getting a new webdav service set up. cadaver https://webdav.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca/ Authentication required for ca.harte-lyne on server `webdav.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca': Username: Password: Could not access / (not WebDAV-enabled?): 405 Method Not Allowed Connection to `webdav.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca' closed. This is logged with debug: [12/Feb/2018:15:32:06 -0500] "PROPFIND / HTTP/1.1" 405 236 So I am guessing that the missing method is PROPFIND. However, I cannot see where this is supposed to be enabled. The document root for the webdav share is this: DocumentRoot /usr/local/www/apache24/data/hll_dav/upload Require all denied Dav On AuthType Basic AuthBasicProvider file AuthUserFile /usr/local/etc/apache24/access.d/.htpasswd AuthName ca.harte-lyne AuthGroupFile /usr/local/www/apache24/data/hll_dav/htgroup Require all denied Require group staff . . . AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 DAVMinTimeout 120 DAVDepthInfinity Off LimitXMLRequestBody 96000000 So, what am I missing here? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 13 00:59:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7A9F0A5DE for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ailee.email@icloud.com) Received: from mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com (mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com [17.120.80.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FCE9786F2 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ailee.email@icloud.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com by mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P4200J00D834W00@mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:59:13 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1518483553; bh=Oc5LlCQVzNVaWzSicJSyl34LTBaCprwZTXwY5DkbKo0=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=OalLtoRxgnfxuunz26jEH6Ru4zJmOyerhR9InB3rTtP3zOTGxXnRh5g1A96Q57uUw T7zlSsLTjOtcvM5qSi0l2CkR7rfMLKJDiZD6qv/Bl2HnsJ132ZH5FLXGXDl6yNYiFi 0CWUNJVzWko3WiT5OLFWns4uxJA2HQg3gppjw6rB0ypGjNE1ZxbOx7t1emqKPTvpIO 0X8SuBugelAVxO807//4cC2AfkrQXcTMjHG+Ur3DHnNddTTXlY5b7ANJv7ssMPJAEt fqqEV0KHtSDS/C3FhmnPMQA0PLPalNo3dJ4G85zCBlNnyzxJvieX6IKjAcMBcFMfo0 8CFvnY5NUnygw== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P4200HDIDE3I900@mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com>; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:59:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-12_10:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1802130009 MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: How to make thinkpad x201i video card driver works ? From: =?utf-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D60) In-reply-to: <20180212055453.b0548785.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:58:51 +0800 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <7A6805C2-3998-475A-AC33-510EB71DA774@icloud.com> References: <1044BFBB-EB94-4937-A5B3-9AEAE7E757A3@icloud.com> <20180212055453.b0548785.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:59:15 -0000 Thanks for you kindly help , video card driver now works well. I do the fol= low steps: 1. install driver via "pkg install xf86-video-intel"=20 2. rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. 3. add lines i915kms_load=3D"YES" kern.vty=3Dvt to/boot/loader.conf Hopes can help other people. > On 12 Feb 2018, at 12:54 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:20:03 +0800, =E6=9D=8E=E5=91=A8=E5=8D=8E wrote: >> l know x201i use intel HD graphic video card ,but on latest version >> of freebsd 11.1 video card driver not works. >>=20 >> I try to add =20 >> Driver "intel" =20 >> to config file xorg.conf.etc Device section. >=20 > You shouldn't have to. If the driver is installed, and X > detects Intel graphics, it will load the driver. However, > loading the kernel module is probably required (i915kms). >=20 >=20 >=20 >> but in log file it's say unable load intel module. >=20 > Did you _install_ the driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel)? > It does not come with the X.org installation itself. >=20 >=20 >=20 > More information here: >=20 > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Intel_Graphics >=20 > https://negativo17.org/quickly-test-freebsd-11-with-kmsvt-newcons-support-= hald-and-your-keyboard-layout/ >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 13 05:58:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AA6F00F81 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4A228601D for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C71B2A69FE; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:57:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: build+install tools... exist or under development? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: C Gray Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:57:55 -0800 Reply-To: C Gray Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <32C48D52-736B-4347-A8E1-6DA905B603BE@council124.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:58:04 -0000 So, to attempt to actualize some changes which may proactively make = pre-installs, installs, post-installs, and all of the ensuing = troubleshooting easier, I have a few questions first, which may help me = to better understand the current status, and projects, designed to = improve areas on this dynamic FreeBSD project: 01) Is there a BOM (list of all folders, files, links, partitions, BIOS = changes, etc. required before and made during a Base install? 02) Is there a post-install BOM-checker toolset (which report after and = maybe even can stop "live" installs when a dependency install fails, = required file is an incorrect version, or an incompatible part is found? 03) Is there an install-expected links list checker? [example = /use/local/lib symlinked to a lib in /lib? 04) Is there a setting that will avoid all of the non-Base "choices" = regarding paths to installation problems as with the optional install = menus? 05) Is there a checker and reporter for general categories of installs = (python dev, 64-bit only) which will filter out beforehand all of the = choices which are pre-checked or which could inadvertently get checked = or unchecked with binary either-or checks... so that install failures = and missing dependency errors are reduced to as close to zero as = possible? 06) Is there a process whereby "fixes" are fully tested so they do not = break working or previously-fixed code? 07) Within what process and parameters/criteria of "acceptance" does one = add or modify a release branch? 08) What test suites exist and do code changes on all branches require = running them on non-merged copies before adding them? 09) Do 'change request' processes exist? 10) Does a BOM-like tool list all function and modules, along with their = scope, the global vars they depend upon, whether they parse a parameter = list from left-to-right or right-to-left, modules in the Base or in = other ports which they expect to be set before installation, etc.? 11) Are tools like Purify (Rational created; IBM bought Rational) used = to find dead code w/i live code before a release? 12) Are tools like PureCoverage used to see if all code is actually = being tested by regression, acceptance, and release test suites? 13) Is there a list of severity-rated, priority-rated, and = platform-segmented issues so that it can be assessed which systems at = any release point are the least and the most prone to issues? 14) RCS vs. SCCS vs. CVS vs. ClearCase (Mentor Graphics breakaway bought = by Rational bought by IBM) vs. SubVersion? What development use, = selected tool, and experiences with it? 15) Of the window/display managers, which has worked and which have = failed for you w/r/t kde, lumina, and gnome on TrueOS server? 16) Has anyone gotten kdevelop to work on TrueOS server? Okay, that's it for now. Hope to hear from that grey matter out there = over time on any of the above.... Has anyone installed TrueOS w/o an issue rearing its head, and if so, = did you avoid all followup "check-marked" installs, staying as close to = a Base install (which is really never defined very well anywhere, OR, = there wouldn't be checkmarks , just an install). It seems that verification/validations of categories and platforms of = installs could be more robust... more complete, better tracked in terms = of successes and problems between releases and in the installer itself. I imagine that everyone has some answers to some of these questions. I = know everyone is busy so I will appreciate any answers whenever you have = time, so take your time.=20 Is it w/i the realm of usefulness to present verified installer configs = for each set of platform install-type (other than base) combinations = which can be called up as a pre-install menu?=20 One size does NOT fit all. And, there is nothing "free" about everyone = spending their free time debugging install issues... much like = reinventing the wheel over and over, or having millions of people write = work-around code for the periods where Microsoft IE, C, universal = calendar start-times, etc. do not follow standards. Borland and Unix = clock seconds started in 1971 and sloths started in 1900 so that dual = compiler projects would collide wherever time was an essential. Anyway, = issues others have solved on other projects are very useful in = preventing like types and dead time required to find and work-around = them... by proactively avoiding them altogether. I'm preaching to the = choir, but I am also interested in finding out the secret handshake, and = this seems a way of hearing truth in both unique and common-but-silent = good/bad experiences. 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Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:18:36 -0000 Does anyone know why this prevents WebDAV from working? LoadModule dir_module libexec/apache24/mod_dir.so If I disable this one module, which is enabled in the sample configuration file, then WebDAV works fine. Otherwise I get this error: open http://192.168.216.107/hll_dav/upload Connection to `192.168.216.107' closed. Authentication required for WebDAV Restricted on server `192.168.216.107': Username: test-user Password: Ignored error: /hll_dav/upload/ not WebDAV-enabled: 405 Method Not Allowed dav:/hll_dav/upload/? ls Listing collection `/hll_dav/upload/': failed: 405 Method Not Allowed With this one change to the httpd.conf file: #LoadModule dir_module libexec/apache24/mod_dir.so I get this result: open http://192.168.216.107/hll_dav/upload Connection to `192.168.216.107' closed. Authentication required for WebDAV Restricted on server `192.168.216.107': Username: test-user Password: dav:/hll_dav/upload/>ls Listing collection `/hll_dav/upload/': succeeded. . . . Is there any explanation for this behaviour? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 13 21:34:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10E9F02A0D for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin@grouchysysadmin.com) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF6272F5B for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin@grouchysysadmin.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA9760A67 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9oR-iVWH69r for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D15A8A304; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2826760A67; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i4UUxAV-SOGl; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: delayed 577 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:30 EST Received: from outbound00.knthost.com (outbound00.knthost.com [209.195.10.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: sysadmin@i.grouchysysadmin.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 outbound00.knthost.com 56C9C56076 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=grouchysysadmin.com; s=default; t=1518557089; bh=ElJ02rrhND67/7frBcb1A/FU0kE/P4OO4AnbRPXVH6U=; h=Reply-To:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=BYWnn5/rmeu61489Chyc36hU3FUbsYNG3InJMVBAnsx3xs5/yh/OzonIFS5OumtaC mU219Sax/dL1MfYlK2AWBSIelO3s51i4ABxZ5g6eb9aL1hJynPXgVh8yN0Z17Q4Xcb tbqsH5j3rkULOKX1X/iVpfnnzJLj+Wg/GrHnDKy8JMTTGwmv2JrtcMQ052aM6ppnPS BF04cEcFjLX6DPmPIOGDe7eJLbRoFgJx9vGqO60MRHsXdWZ8GS26lEY163A00Rqt4p kubljBdnuN8oXt167FzMUG/31r80/wMVu9Scq957jWF3Fjaw0+1SdzoDQlmn/KXdWS B0YwOiXkvGk0g== Subject: Re: FreeBSD Apache-2.4 and WebDAV To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca References: From: Grouchy Sysadmin Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:24:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:34:37 -0000 On 02/13/2018 03:18 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > Does anyone know why this prevents WebDAV from working? > > LoadModule dir_module libexec/apache24/mod_dir.so > > If I disable this one module, which is enabled in the sample > configuration file, then WebDAV works fine. Otherwise I get this > error: > > open http://192.168.216.107/hll_dav/upload > Connection to `192.168.216.107' closed. > Authentication required for WebDAV Restricted on server > `192.168.216.107': > Username: test-user > Password: > Ignored error: /hll_dav/upload/ not WebDAV-enabled: > 405 Method Not Allowed > dav:/hll_dav/upload/? ls > Listing collection `/hll_dav/upload/': failed: > 405 Method Not Allowed > > With this one change to the httpd.conf file: > > #LoadModule dir_module libexec/apache24/mod_dir.so > > I get this result: > > open http://192.168.216.107/hll_dav/upload > Connection to `192.168.216.107' closed. > Authentication required for WebDAV Restricted on server > `192.168.216.107': > Username: test-user > Password: > dav:/hll_dav/upload/>ls > Listing collection `/hll_dav/upload/': succeeded. > . . . > > Is there any explanation for this behaviour? > Perhaps https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54914 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 13 21:41:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA40F03308 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBB98734E2 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129076254C for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bFSTWXN6n1Z9 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B96A8A304 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE84E6254D for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uhDu_NOwSst7; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45AAD6254C; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4d93090c48a29f9cde21c37cfa7979d8.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:18 -0500 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Apache-2.4 and WebDAV From: "James B. Byrne" To: sysadmin@i.grouchysysadmin.com Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:41:24 -0000 On Tue, February 13, 2018 16:24, Grouchy Sysadmin wrote: > > Perhaps https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54914 > That bug has only been open for five years. While apparently fixed in 2.5 these past four 2.4 still has it. I have wasted a week tracking this thing down. One would think that they just MIGHT make a note respecting this in the config file next to mod_dir. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 13 22:56:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FC1F08DE9 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DCC77087 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10B7718043 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:56:12 -0600 (CST) From: Valeri Galtsev Subject: OT: just crashed two FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:56:12 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:56:19 -0000 I just crushed two (one at a time) FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines. I simply plugged my Sony video camera which was in the mode of exporting its (msdos) filesystems over USB. Both machines have decent hardware, plenty of resources. Regular user was logged in to X11. One of the filesystems was mounted (the one holding AVCHD videos), and two seconds later the machine started booting (like "crashed"). And now I'm sitting in prostration and thinking: What is that I will do next? I know we choose FreeBSD over Linux for better architecture and higher reliability... ;-( Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 00:26:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF58EF0F687 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 215797A7A1 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M6EXa-1eaFEL0ANW-00yAeC; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:13:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:13:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: just crashed two FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines Message-Id: <20180214011333.23d616b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:oSmELsyBBdxBJ5ijKzX8J1k5BVBnQpZcZAtH4ZTB5eRsL4sJzZg vkDFCuoGn+rO7MZ14PFzZCeAJicqAGp7BtisUzY0Pb7sKkoLEbvdz4LzNu3f9rljQFnA12H M7QrAbT+6hRjVp5Join24idwMcw5K3UVZSp5C8QESfIObHcsWlV8HYCIMP2Eg2ibTekzR++ wHSAe8ic1aXRqC97y7V5w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:qgrZY7/6si4=:KZwZNh07MvkiCkSy46K3hS 9VUgXxI0Iw8rL3fCmPYal7kE11W8iisOsC0/7TIDCiK/a0lxq31VOfT75TQS8PAgUV8gVAMO+ GYBqKtdujowu3EvhBNt0s5jeCcHI0MEXdOSOU18O0BiLl9qeyyw7hEs/0aak2OcIjrwE4vkHk 3ErMU61kjNc4SKIjOV7hFYpu6pZkU50JoKQ51Qvmj++lgyIUF6sVhbGfYiWwXsj/E1xI2TXH+ kxq+NEIN+AHUugcHZv6KeKn/L5/7TtOTDDhNUzSu9V/dJPWnc4jRwzjoeiuQjLyW32eWMGybG oaEHw76t9ZVxzFYVxOUiV37pSN+6ckWdf80w4MaiEVRSKIPoIe9X9mNRL9FrJFmItBxpw2xB7 /aVSX0KwOsKZgVzljhxjOqcQlJdrUtUk7ruBcNEGlqXmwLvObuiu2UKH7YBNwaCVU95StSGE8 VtHqKQb0Bh46gTAfjtt8ZiGwKFJ0ZwSor2LICVgOrqm856E9Kg0/PDJY9K6FCnJotiKx8W7E8 IuGObxAE2F1S4rT4Tw87KpxF2c+UzphVtEO+E8GUkfpiXoapglAt9g4IWnYnWGnItW3dvaE0p mg7DHsEIqUVc5l4hiqSs259KgzgvVUTNbj8KWh1zVkiPH0x4CU/OOUuWpOpINAZ//mlXtRSfc 6tBgxVv1N8vaNVnHcH8xWpdcphd8ik/1IW/9MjomJ6f59sa3VmkKCUBIzD8V4Lv3paEBggfoO eVLg40alUUy4tBpocP6EpjPz6D9C8pU3sxKUbrzDoFv13E0vrWzab4m/wQs= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:26:46 -0000 On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:56:12 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > I just crushed two (one at a time) FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines. I > simply plugged my Sony video camera which was in the mode of exporting > its (msdos) filesystems over USB. Both machines have decent hardware, > plenty of resources. Regular user was logged in to X11. One of the > filesystems was mounted (the one holding AVCHD videos), and two seconds > later the machine started booting (like "crashed"). > > And now I'm sitting in prostration and thinking: What is that I will do > next? Gather debugging data. Reduce automatisms and check each step manually. Try to find out the exact "thing" that brought down the system (it's hard to tell when X is running and doing its "magic"). Many years ago, I had a similar problem, but when _detaching_ the camera from the system (internal filesystem was already unmounted, and previous access to it went as expected)... This was, I think, in FreeBSD 5 times, and after a system update, the problem went away. So I never found out what the actual problem was - but it could be reproduced any time, even in single user mode: insert USB plug, system recognizes da0 device (as intended), wait a few seconds, remove USB plug, system panic, kernel crash. After update: regular "disconnect" message, nothing else, system kept running. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:56:01 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: just crashed two FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:55:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLx4ac7v0fEOAHmuzBBgtfAORUHGrJvqx6HL/ua4ZIgwOSmCmDWA6/XTouuejjRU+rPBT3XJiG3+16IjL9++X8BMxP0wSAaSNE6T+yA9k7epP1ySH+Sx t61i95c4qgG8O44ET6+jkkoZrIohd2qLnbwOiSWrV0zAgerfQSMiWCWfXXU7jz5D+qeQUN9akdmtYwl5aVfzKf37q4hvtDwPOJo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 02:04:30 -0000 On 2/13/2018 5:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > I know we choose FreeBSD over Linux for better architecture and higher > reliability... > ROFLMOL ROFLMOL ROFLMOL ROFLMOL From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 10:34:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3370BF14F71 for ; 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Received: from remote.theory14.net (remote.theory14.net [173.79.116.36]) by bacon.theory14.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43810125ECA; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anubis.int.theory14.net (anubis.int.theory14.net [192.168.10.50]) by remote.theory14.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02CA5C50A; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:11:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=theory14.net; s=mail; t=1518610289; bh=5hG1UIkpxl/2oe0qyXMyM087QgfwlS/i6e8AR+TaKk4=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=MBhSEU6v/C17obnAbPwHyzY4yAHaL/aPG3O0URplcYWzhuqkrtfglBF5lYwc+6Nfo DHOvvrN3o4J87BSUJF9nmrOooS1pNSbb6I6it5MA7llrvKA7i36cxIdfjwL0Y7YzEe YKZqGYImwaYkcH/41yf465fWbUEzE/Kcz6D+WnUU= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: Supported Controllers From: Chris Gordon In-Reply-To: <0a5fe0e2-f83d-4b6c-206a-52a7e6249336@ges.thm.de> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:11:28 -0500 Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <804B19A5-C8EA-4ACA-96F7-64C02B824A66@theory14.net> References: <0a5fe0e2-f83d-4b6c-206a-52a7e6249336@ges.thm.de> To: Denise Schuck X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:20:23 -0000 > On Feb 14, 2018, at 5:25 AM, Denise Schuck = wrote: >=20 > I have a question concerning supported controllers and can't find = anything about that in the documentation. Some times searching through the man pages gives you better information. > The system I want to install the FreeBSD distribution FreeNAS has an = Adaptec 71605 Controller and an Intel Ethernet Adapter I350-T2. The aacraid(4) driver lists the Adaptec ASR-70165 as one of the cards it = supports. The Intel I350 also works (we use those at work, too) and I = think it=E2=80=99s the ixgbe driver but can=E2=80=99t recall = specifically. One of the big advantages of FreeNAS (or FreeBSD) is the ability to use = ZFS. This includes the ease of management and the protection of your = data that it provides. As a general rule, you want to present ZFS with = the actual disks and not throw a hardware RAID in between. Some RAID = controllers allow you to turn them into individual target mode either = with a setting in their RAID firmware or by flashing them with new = firmware. > (Xeon Processor and 8GB RAM). The general rule of thumb that ZFS will want 1 GB of RAM for each 1 TB = of disk. The impact of having less RAM is that some of the cache=E2=80=99= s (ARC I believe) will not be as big as they could be and you won=E2=80=99= t get as good a read performance as you could. If your system isn=E2=80=99= t very busy, especially with reads, then this won=E2=80=99t matter. I = have a system that doesn=E2=80=99t meat the 1:1 ratio and it works = perfectly fine. > Therefore, will it be impossible to install FreeNAS on my hardware? Or = is it just a matter of released FreeBSD Versions or hardware drivers I = have to install additionally? In summary, everything you have should work out of the box.=20 Chris= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 17:29:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A179F10A1C for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C087C83887 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 62636CB8D26; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:00:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.35 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:00:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <33865.128.135.52.35.1518627659.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20180214011333.23d616b9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180214011333.23d616b9.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:00:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: OT: just crashed two FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Polytropon" Cc: "Valeri Galtsev" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:29:01 -0000 On Tue, February 13, 2018 6:13 pm, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:56:12 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> I just crushed two (one at a time) FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE machines. I >> simply plugged my Sony video camera which was in the mode of exporting >> its (msdos) filesystems over USB. Both machines have decent hardware, >> plenty of resources. Regular user was logged in to X11. One of the >> filesystems was mounted (the one holding AVCHD videos), and two seconds >> later the machine started booting (like "crashed"). >> >> And now I'm sitting in prostration and thinking: What is that I will do >> next? > > Gather debugging data. Reduce automatisms and check each step > manually. Try to find out the exact "thing" that brought down > the system (it's hard to tell when X is running and doing its > "magic"). > > Many years ago, I had a similar problem, but when _detaching_ > the camera from the system (internal filesystem was already > unmounted, and previous access to it went as expected)... > This was, I think, in FreeBSD 5 times, and after a system > update, the problem went away. So I never found out what the > actual problem was - but it could be reproduced any time, > even in single user mode: insert USB plug, system recognizes > da0 device (as intended), wait a few seconds, remove USB plug, > system panic, kernel crash. After update: regular "disconnect" > message, nothing else, system kept running. > Yes, indeed, my duty as a user is to keep reproducing it, collect debugging information and pass that over to developers so they can improve the system. My problem, however is of different nature. I did migrate a bunch of servers to FreeBSD. And I still somehow trust that these servers will be as reliable as they were so far (which is 2 or 3 years). However, I am about to give the developer FreeBSD laptop, thus the person (who develops stuff that runs on servers of one's own laptop) can have development environment the same as that on production servers. And I can not do it now, knowing that people (myself included) plug into laptops all and everything... that can potentially knock down FreeBSD box just like I just did. This whole situation gives me deja vu. Long ago when I used RedHat mostly I gave a try to a SUSE Linux. That was somewhere near SUSE 7.1-7.3. The main trouble with SUSE was: if I start as a regular user something with memory leak (I just had trivial test code that keeps allocating memory in the loop), then SUSE box crashed. If, however I just build stock kernel from kernel.org, it happily invokes OOM killer, and kills the offender. Needless to say, I never used SUSE, and I never seriously looked back at SUSE. And now I have this deja vu... Thanks for helping my mood, which is still way from good... Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 22:11:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B76F00954 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from 005.lax.mailroute.net (005.lax.mailroute.net [199.89.1.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CB4970343 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 005.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhYXY5WHCz1V3h6 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:11:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from 005.lax.mailroute.net ([199.89.1.8]) by localhost (005.lax.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id jSkiELhFVraQ for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by 005.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhYXX1qYfz1V3f9 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ECA851274; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:11:39 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.5.4.1; tzolkin = 13 Imix; haab = 19 Pax Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:11:39 -0800 Message-ID: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:11:43 -0000 Never got a chance to move to 10 in time. Should I just skip 10 and go to 11? What will that break? And keep in mind I'm ZFS-on-Root, although I haven't upgraded my bootloader or ZFS version yet. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/Dart consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 22:50:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9083DF031E1 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23A24717CC for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id d10so10917838itj.2 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:50:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=97Yyh1YOzlwTk0jHR/fQ9SDHqoiPqMgwmr1PzPAG6B4=; b=hj6MAKzKj9Xw8EwgXomZlYOpm6vVcluYb3LeITBJf2/lSySvaYFmGjlTKGUPgUlth3 uR2O+rza4sxH4iMfCgKCBaNBgn4gVywUBGGu4FEu9JFbkpO3CBa1llQhm5kW36AKdFmj 4AtxRhbaPZYxFTyMRLzqvlZJ/BDQdLTvJ70pjlFjApkhJjwmns8zYPV7XsqmKK9tK6/B NO/ChmfqKKw4UOwYnjLVoJ9C/N1YJbj2t2TSPr+vn0wtGbcaZz7EvOBwp1HrzJS4BnMS UIgTpzOll4b73OHlWr9RJ8Hi/9pAG+SkLgiQFw1PgNWLCXCQouEG+pZBfxhp8h4ZAVUg w6SQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=97Yyh1YOzlwTk0jHR/fQ9SDHqoiPqMgwmr1PzPAG6B4=; b=R8QOYKyh5hWreUPJyPXZm6awSOWvgYf7UdKUfjLqM1YaW707tlbvgsi2wM+Gf2nnDP qiWaj63BF5bFkGB4n7T69uy/K1YNgI118cVDZphQvqkkeRFFIbF/ga1MDwZ+EzxV8huA Koiq4nOsK7n/rBWPRpLnWUmnaOTLXXDDrNsDIzix+uYgq3ZNoQkVXBUWtydExQgoeboe pQcYFKaKCA9fJTxEJqJ65gHKsl6GSewvVFtDk6VMA+BA496TgVRdFzU+B81FhZrjlhty GLc3whiCOPn9TX4gwhd3Vo/zdobc7IGu8AX2UQxyKN2lOXpLJDVHD99AnWWSht/GEide XunA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCor2E0UKn5iJUQ9LnqgBWxNeCHp11cJddcedL3zRRSUFCqF3XS 7fjsYRFBZgybhH7xGvIYF4U+H1RuXC/p17fHvoM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2250eXtkyY4bSS87gsT7glZVNgAhwaAMLYB/gTfHh+z9EGS55iVnIAGiaGoX3G7xI8Tmdz/h1FogXTqQNImnl1Y= X-Received: by 10.36.121.5 with SMTP id z5mr826514itc.146.1518648600624; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:50:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.151.176 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:50:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Adam Vande More Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:50:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:50:01 -0000 On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > Never got a chance to move to 10 in time. Should I just skip 10 and go > to 11? What will that break? And keep in mind I'm ZFS-on-Root, > although I haven't upgraded my bootloader or ZFS version yet. > Use care in enabling newer zfs features, not all are compatible with zfs root. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 23:19:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F94F0520A for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=utra=fi=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3AB7287A for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=utra=fi=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zhZvm1fJWz2fjSX; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:13:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:13:23 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> To: "Randal L. Schwartz" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:19:51 -0000 > On 14 February 2018, at 14:11, Randal L. Schwartz = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Never got a chance to move to 10 in time. Should I just skip 10 and = go > to 11? What will that break? And keep in mind I'm ZFS-on-Root, > although I haven't upgraded my bootloader or ZFS version yet. I don't use zfs, but I have made that update on a number of systems. = There can be issues depending on the specific 9.x and if you use = freebsd-update or build from source. FreeBSD 9.1 cannot use = freebsd-update to go directly to 11.x. There are patches required to = freebsd-update to be able to make that work. The patch should be in the = archive. I no longer have any 9.x systems and don't recall if I still = have it. If you going that way, let me know and I will search for it. During the upgrade process when you first reboot, you really need to = boot in single user mode. I have always done a regular boot as the = machines were not local and had no access to the console. There are = enough library changes that most services just will not start properly = and tend to hang. You are left with a system that is non-responsive. = The one approach I used successfully one time was to comment virtually = everything other than sshd out in rc.conf. You have to make sure you = have really killed sendmail though. Setting it to NO is not enough. = Otherwise it will eventually give up and give you back service, but it = takes a long time. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 23:29:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A820F05DD4 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from 001.las.mailroute.net (001.las.mailroute.net [199.89.4.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C393972F4D for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 001.las.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhbGl4Yhzz8sY1; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:29:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from 001.las.mailroute.net ([199.89.4.4]) by localhost (001.las.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id Pfv13xNGzsih; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by 001.las.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhbG96W6Bz8sXN; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 775CB12B5; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:29:21 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Doug Hardie Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.5.4.1; tzolkin = 13 Imix; haab = 19 Pax Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:29:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> (Doug Hardie's message of "Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:13:23 -0800") Message-ID: <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:29:59 -0000 >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Hardie writes: Doug> FreeBSD 9.1 cannot use freebsd-update to go directly to Doug> 11.x. I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. Doug> During the upgrade process when you first reboot, you really need Doug> to boot in single user mode. Doug> I have always done a regular boot as Doug> the machines were not local and had no access to the console. I don't think you mean serial console... Arpnetworks gives me a VNC console... I presume I can boot single user from the initial menu. Doug> There are enough library changes that most services just will not Doug> start properly and tend to hang. You are left with a system that Doug> is non-responsive. The one approach I used successfully one time Doug> was to comment virtually everything other than sshd out in Doug> rc.conf. You have to make sure you have really killed sendmail Doug> though. Setting it to NO is not enough. Otherwise it will Doug> eventually give up and give you back service, but it takes a long Doug> time. Great advice! Thanks. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/Dart consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 14 23:42:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509BEF06CC7 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=utra=fi=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E389373A32 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=utra=fi=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zhbXm5zvgz2fjVV; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:42:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:42:00 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27FEBFA7-A61C-4157-928C-75356F72AE08@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> To: "Randal L. Schwartz" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:42:02 -0000 > On 14 February 2018, at 15:29, Randal L. Schwartz = wrote: >=20 >>>>>> "Doug" =3D=3D Doug Hardie writes: >=20 > Doug> FreeBSD 9.1 cannot use freebsd-update to go directly to > Doug> 11.x. >=20 > I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. I'll look around for that patch. I seem to recall one of my 9.3 systems = needed it. You know if you need it if freebsd-update says cowardly = refusing to proceed. =20 >=20 > Doug> During the upgrade process when you first reboot, you really = need > Doug> to boot in single user mode. > Doug> I have always done a regular boot as > Doug> the machines were not local and had no access to the console. >=20 > I don't think you mean serial console... Arpnetworks gives me a VNC > console... I presume I can boot single user from the initial menu. I have not used a VNC console, but have used a serial console which was = not all that reliable. I suspect the issue was with the equipment = connected to the serial port, not FreeBSD. >=20 > Doug> There are enough library changes that most services just will = not > Doug> start properly and tend to hang. You are left with a system = that > Doug> is non-responsive. The one approach I used successfully one = time > Doug> was to comment virtually everything other than sshd out in > Doug> rc.conf. You have to make sure you have really killed sendmail > Doug> though. Setting it to NO is not enough. Otherwise it will > Doug> eventually give up and give you back service, but it takes a = long > Doug> time. >=20 > Great advice! Thanks. I tried to upgrade one system from 9.3 to 10.something and it would not = boot. It died during the hardware discovery. I gave up and went to = 11.0 which worked just fine on that hardware. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 00:05:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B205F089D1 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1968174C79 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w1F0503i007946 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:05:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? From: Tim Daneliuk To: "Randal L. Schwartz" , Doug Hardie Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <37591333-593e-7c35-0cfb-a3ab02bddf55@tundraware.com> Message-ID: <97406fe4-5ffb-c179-670b-47ade93bdf2a@tundraware.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:04:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37591333-593e-7c35-0cfb-a3ab02bddf55@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:05:01 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: w1F0503i007946 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.896, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.11, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.01) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:05:07 -0000 On 02/14/2018 05:51 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 02/14/2018 05:29 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >> Doug> There are enough library changes that most services just will not >> Doug> start properly and tend to hang. You are left with a system that >> Doug> is non-responsive. The one approach I used successfully one time >> Doug> was to comment virtually everything other than sshd out in >> Doug> rc.conf. You have to make sure you have really killed sendmail >> Doug> though. Setting it to NO is not enough. Otherwise it will >> Doug> eventually give up and give you back service, but it takes a long >> Doug> time. >> >> Great advice! Thanks. >> > > Another strategy might be to put a second drive in the system and install > a clean version of 11 and all the needed packages/ports on that. Then - > since it can mount your existing 9.x disk, incrementally copy over your > data and custom configurations. In my experience, this turns out to be > a lot quicker and cleaner that trying to do in-place upgrades. Moreover, > when you are all done, you still have your original, untouched disk. > > Disks are cheap :) > Oh, another way I've done this in inside VMs. Once configured and built to my satisfaction, I just tarball off the entire contents of the VM's filesystem. Then, I pour it onto a bare "real" drive that's been partitioned and formatted appropriately. On Linux systems, I do some this with docker instances, although full OS imaging is a good use case for this approach. Some notes I've jotted down over the years: https://www.tundraware.com/TechnicalNotes/Baremetal -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 00:12:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A8BF0940B for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=gzmm=fj=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875547530D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=gzmm=fj=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zhcCX5K9Bz2fk0r; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:12:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:12:08 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> To: "Randal L. Schwartz" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:12:10 -0000 I can't find the original email, but here is what I did find via google: 10.0-RELEASE is no longer supported, which means you didn't get the = important FreeBSD-EN-16:09.freebsd-update errata fix for freebsd-update. You'll have to patch freebsd-update manually. Open up = /usr/sbin/freebsd-update, and in the function fetch_metadata_sanity(), = you'll see this: # Check that the first four fields make sense. if gunzip -c < files/$1.gz | grep -qvE "^[a-z]+\|[0-9a-z]+\|${P}+\|[fdL-]\|"; then fetch_metadata_bogus "" return 1 fi Add a hyphen at the end of [0-9a-z] like so: grep -qvE "^[a-z]+\|[0-9a-z-]+\|${P}+\|[fdL-]\|"; then Save, and now it should work. =E2=80=A2 permalink =E2=80=A2 embed =E2=80=A2 save =E2=80=A2 parent [=E2=80=93]ddp 2 points 1 year ago=20 Unfortunately that didn't resolve it; same failure. # Check that the first four fields make sense. = =20 if gunzip -c < files/$1.gz | grep -qvE "^[a-z]+\|[0-9a-z-]+\|${P}+\|[fdL-]\|"; then fetch_metadata_bogus "" return 1 fi =E2=80=A2 permalink =E2=80=A2 embed =E2=80=A2 save =E2=80=A2 parent [=E2=80=93]DaemonWithin 2 points 1 year ago*=20 It's definitely failing within fetch_metadata_sanity() somewhere.=20 Does /var/db/freebsd-update/sanitycheck.tmp exist when freebsd-update = exits? If so, post its contents. If not, then it's failing at the point = you quoted. (Incidentally, bspatch isn't executed yet, so the problem = isn't connected to your truncating bspatch.) Also, post your /usr/sbin/freebsd-update to pastebin or something. I'll = compare it with my later version. =E2=80=A2 permalink =E2=80=A2 embed =E2=80=A2 save =E2=80=A2 parent [=E2=80=93]ddp 2 points 1 year ago*=20 I don't have a sanitycheck.tmp there. http://pastebin.com/A1MGqr3L =E2=80=A2 permalink =E2=80=A2 embed =E2=80=A2 save =E2=80=A2 parent [=E2=80=93]DaemonWithin 4 points 1 year ago*=20 I think I've found the problem. In the same function, fetch_metadata_sanity(), add a comma to this: P=3D"[-+./:=3D%@_[~[:alnum:]]" like so: P=3D"[-+./:=3D,%@_[~[:alnum:]]" The comma doesn't exist before 10.2, explaining why some people are = having luck upgrading to 10.3 first. If that's what the problem is, then = I'd say an errata needs to be released for the still-supported 10.1 and = 9.3. There are two patches there. The second may be all that you need. I = just don't recall if I used the first one also. There is a Bug report: = Bug 211398 that has the original patch that I used. Note, that the line = numbers were not exactly the same for any of my systems. =20 -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 00:17:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E28F09A8E for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B371375751 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w1ENpjeH007732 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:51:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? To: "Randal L. Schwartz" , Doug Hardie Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7F0B2921-9F04-4E15-BD0F-17A0EA8E953B@mail.sermon-archive.info> <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <37591333-593e-7c35-0cfb-a3ab02bddf55@tundraware.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:51:40 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:51:45 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: w1ENpjeH007732 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.895, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.12, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.01) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:17:49 -0000 On 02/14/2018 05:29 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Doug> There are enough library changes that most services just will not > Doug> start properly and tend to hang. You are left with a system that > Doug> is non-responsive. The one approach I used successfully one time > Doug> was to comment virtually everything other than sshd out in > Doug> rc.conf. You have to make sure you have really killed sendmail > Doug> though. Setting it to NO is not enough. Otherwise it will > Doug> eventually give up and give you back service, but it takes a long > Doug> time. > > Great advice! Thanks. > Another strategy might be to put a second drive in the system and install a clean version of 11 and all the needed packages/ports on that. Then - since it can mount your existing 9.x disk, incrementally copy over your data and custom configurations. In my experience, this turns out to be a lot quicker and cleaner that trying to do in-place upgrades. Moreover, when you are all done, you still have your original, untouched disk. Disks are cheap :) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 01:19:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B32F0E236 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEF68788CE for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 32926 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2018 01:19:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=809c.5a84e00b.k1802; bh=hEOyojoEIaJjCQ73V01A1uPbrbL1yM5FlpGCwhyPnvI=; b=K7O4Rm6b6T2j2X4Lj+oLVx4urJT19LTyJxhQOF1olsLQbNvQOWMSPnLun0FwfYe/CBt1kdop8udE8IMEZz8V1nWtyLpOzFT0UevIIIpLolNeNra/mahC14qSqc5KYsXoUP94EABxnbZ1kDu00QUn1wYVm91qBlaBQX4d0TTpAutjc1/wUA37fFqOWlb6D9hOLZk6Ht1lCV1pl+aGLB0pVqBINrP8L+E1LjDwyYbQr8B8EgGpGoSHARGiX/7KdXCt Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 15 Feb 2018 01:19:06 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6620E1B2DE28; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:19:07 -0500 (EST) Date: 14 Feb 2018 20:19:07 -0500 Message-Id: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: merlyn@stonehenge.com Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? In-Reply-To: <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:19:08 -0000 In article <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> you write: >I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. In that case I'd go to 10.4, poke at that long enough to make sure things work, then go to 11.1. You can probably eventually fix what breaks if you try to skip 10.x but that seems needless pain. The functional differences between 10.4 and 11.1 are not huge, and 10.4 is supported through the end of October so you can easily wait a month or more between the two updates. If you're feeling really lazy, wait until early October and hope that 11.2 is out by then so you can skip 11.1. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 01:38:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEA1F10281 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 774BA7983D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 35849 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2018 01:38:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=8c07.5a84e490.k1802; bh=D+9lJ/9ORz/fizQS5JgtVooWv6+clGimOW4+15aM8yg=; b=PecsuaB2wfMWj5HDxN05QXodwl27lJ4QqC2W7GxMFF9A1u+89LE1VWkNqrlQWxiskWxVB1BlO07xMWUlZV36WrvMSrS0HauL48BSnnzPN8VehtQl3Ui36vuumgbA56cX5LrqIoETwQl3Ow/hUiHzY2iWqwV6RRlJymnOFE+TJ5WVLVRyTdg/4CzbP3x4PvCj8u+1mP3klC0TEunxT1eEMuoiQPIalHBvnRLC/XUj/EZ6R5y8bBccqK99JHFKjCuH Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 15 Feb 2018 01:38:23 -0000 Date: 14 Feb 2018 20:38:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? In-Reply-To: <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:38:25 -0000 > John> In article <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> you write: >>> I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. > > John> In that case I'd go to 10.4, poke at that long enough to make sure > John> things work, then go to 11.1. > > Some of the ports I use are no longer building under 10.4... haven't > researched the details, but I wonder if they just weren't being > supported any more except under 11. It's possible but I have several VPS running 10.4 and have yet to run into a port that said 11.x only. If a release is still supported, the ports should work on it. On the other hand there are plenty of ports that are abandoned and don't build at all. Which ones are you thinking of? Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 01:40:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B41F105D8 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from 001.las.mailroute.net (001.las.mailroute.net [199.89.4.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0289079983 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 001.las.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhf9X3rDBz8sXj; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:40:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from 001.las.mailroute.net ([199.89.4.4]) by localhost (001.las.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id aO19Fzhif5uE; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by 001.las.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhf9V0Xzvz8sXN; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 986401302; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: "John R. Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.5.4.1; tzolkin = 13 Imix; haab = 19 Pax Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: (John R. Levine's message of "14 Feb 2018 20:38:23 -0500") Message-ID: <864lmjhvxu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:40:34 -0000 >>>>> "John" == John R Levine writes: John> It's possible but I have several VPS running 10.4 and have yet to John> run into a port that said 11.x only. If a release is still John> supported, the ports should work on it. On the other hand there John> are plenty of ports that are abandoned and don't build at all. John> Which ones are you thinking of? I need to go back through my poudriere logs and see where the trouble is. The big problem (and why I'm still on 9) is the shoemaker's children issue. I have big bills to pay, and this is all non-billable time. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/Dart consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 01:27:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18FF0EF1C for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from 004.lax.mailroute.net (004.lax.mailroute.net [199.89.1.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FE8E78E9E for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 004.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhdtw44Y6z15JlC; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:27:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from 004.lax.mailroute.net ([199.89.1.7]) by localhost (004.lax.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id QryzDIXPhTxq; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by 004.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zhdtv0BNZz15JR1; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B973712FB; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:27:50 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: "John Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.5.4.1; tzolkin = 13 Imix; haab = 19 Pax Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:27:50 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> (John Levine's message of "14 Feb 2018 20:19:07 -0500") Message-ID: <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:27:54 -0000 >>>>> "John" == John Levine writes: John> In article <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> you write: >> I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. John> In that case I'd go to 10.4, poke at that long enough to make sure John> things work, then go to 11.1. Some of the ports I use are no longer building under 10.4... haven't researched the details, but I wonder if they just weren't being supported any more except under 11. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/Dart consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 03:29:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2985F1A64F for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A0717F0BB for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id mAEWeB5eXmf07mAEZecBq0; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:29:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:29:09 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: merlyn@stonehenge.com Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? Message-ID: <2117CC0267D2C50B8489373F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLMBtv/GG7wG9rqtw5Pzpryf9pTZxKZIO81BMEeNYdo8uEWLQm15AM+iH0MbS+7Z4pQ7JddDd/edgvbzSAXu1bzPTFp8OBwXFwMkClI5/3CXrpURQT1N GyDdAiidanrshHoGyiHa4nKwU7vNp6eNl11kk6zgEUK/PBRM3KmnRi4WxErygzqg+mOk/cJ8ykqSPXfAWHBtoL4FJzjUJr53Tq3Jlrrfj+lXEcUEK0Pqjw53 VQ1Gqj6JhTVj/APykXm5Qw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:29:22 -0000 --On February 14, 2018 at 8:19:07 PM -0500 John Levine wrote: > In article <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> you write: >> I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. > > In that case I'd go to 10.4, poke at that long enough to make sure > things work, then go to 11.1. > > You can probably eventually fix what breaks if you try to skip 10.x > but that seems needless pain. > > The functional differences between 10.4 and 11.1 are not huge, and > 10.4 is supported through the end of October so you can easily wait a > month or more between the two updates. If you're feeling really lazy, > wait until early October and hope that 11.2 is out by then so you can > skip 11.1. I recently upgraded from 10.4 to 11.1. It did not go well. (I used freebsd-update) After the first reboot, the server did not come back up. Somehow, the rc.conf file got munged up, and the server failed to boot. I don't know the exact details, because I didn't have console access. Anyway, you want to be sure you have console access before doing the upgrade, just in case things don't go as planned. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 04:15:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0ECF1DD6B for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:15:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F116C80F82 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lx3Yj-1ejwvI43Cb-016jDD; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:14:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:14:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Cc: "John Levine" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? 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Schwartz wrote: > Some of the ports I use are no longer building under 10.4... haven't > researched the details, but I wonder if they just weren't being > supported any more except under 11. If you still need that software, try a "make package" on the system they still exist on, and then use the compat-9x or compat-10x additions to run them on v11 after you have successfully installed them. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 05:55:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBF9F23B5D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C625884009 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from unknown (HELO leader.local) ([118.211.9.187]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2018 16:25:03 +1030 Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? To: "Randal L. Schwartz" , John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:24:59 +1030 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:55:10 -0000 On 15/02/2018 11:57, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "John" == John Levine writes: > > John> In article <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> you write: >>> I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. > > John> In that case I'd go to 10.4, poke at that long enough to make sure > John> things work, then go to 11.1. > > Some of the ports I use are no longer building under 10.4... haven't > researched the details, but I wonder if they just weren't being > supported any more except under 11. > Know that 10.4 is only supported until October so moving to 11 would be a better choice. When I upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2 many ports required rebuilding to work. By that I mean while previously ports would run on the new system while you built new versions, from 10 many failed to run. This appeared to be due to 9 using gcc and libstdc++ while 10 and 11 use clang and libc++ I have found that several recent updates to some ports are initially failing on 10.4, this seems to be from the base clang3.4 having less c++11 support than newer versions. The solution that has worked for my ports, is to use a newer clang version. clang50 is already used by quite a few ports so adding USES+=compiler:c++14-lang will enable clang50 and shouldn't add any extra building if you are building your own ports. Not sure that if that will work in make.conf so would need to be in a ports Makefile.local -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 07:08:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084C1F02342 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABF828614D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DB57A637E; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 02:08:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: C Gray In-Reply-To: <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:08:26 -0800 Reply-To: C Gray Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8212BAA6-DC01-4AD5-BCBF-012D97447060@council124.org> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:08:34 -0000 Moving to something called stable means that the build (not the release) = is stabilized.=20 At Network General, Tektronix (Printing, Test&Measurement, and Graphics = Workstations divisions), Intel, Cypress Semiconductor (EDA), Analogy = (EDA), and Mentor Graphics (EDA), they all had development use verified = tools and modules (rather than the newest ones) waited until a major = release had 2-4 minor releases which fixed problems that users would end = up debugging to make up for incomplete pre-release testing policies. = [Note: new car models have more problems & glitches than ones = recalled/fixed or return-model releases; it goes for anything = manufactured in a world where fixing costs and the "customer is always = right" has been mutated into "the customer is always ripe". ]=20 In Test and QA (integrated in with Development) we were taught (by = losing customers and costs/time/resources lost to fixing issues directly = related to poor-planning, short-cutting, and thinly-testing) NOT to pass = those inherent problems on to later and to end-users/customers, because = it all comes back to you in the end... and esp. if the code was = third-party or partner software which is still "green", i.e., untested = by real-world users doing more real-world things than most = release-builders have time or look-ahead imagination to test. It may be = reaching a "not supported any more " status, however, that often means = that it does need as much support as a major release. So, mixed in with = dropping support way too soon, an almost-fetishized practice (of = uncaring and 'could-care-less'ness learned from the profitable = bad-examples of Microsloth and [cr]Apple, people now must own the = fall-apart software, tools, etc. which that lackluster work ethic = laziness yields. Spaghetti code, non-modularity, platform-dependencies... they're all = coming back as "computer science" is fully replaced by the rapid-release = strategies of "computer marketing". Planned obsolescence is a = behavioral issue more than a materials problem, and as a view accepted = tends to hurt you directly at a cellular level rather than indirectly at = an update level. Tweaking ought to be left up to tweakers. Code should = be better-[PRE]tested. We QA folks were usually hated by sales and = marketing types, and at first by developers, however, before we were = excommunicated, they actually saw that we were code-friendly and = lengthened weekends without the tension and fret caused by = back[ground/mind]ed debugging. Think hard about going "new", because the processes which brought all of = the past bugs are still creating new-and-improved ones unless, of = course, those processes are considered part of the product, and their = improvements and need-for-improvement are both heeded, implemented, = well-documented, and verified as solved, which, the newer releases of = practically all software these days are de-evolving back to a = pre-Knuth/pre-Djikstra era. If FreeBSD r11 doesn't show me less issues than r10 which should have = less issues than r9, then the opposite may actually be true (or TrueOS).=20= An absence of process improvement -- which must invariably also include = and demonstrate an improvement of itself -- will only make more problems = worse. As timed-releases of flaws become "newer" and "newer", the time-tested = fixing-of-flaws become older faster, approaching non-existence in the = calculus of release policy. The drive to eradicate real-world stability is lost to the fetish of = "new"-ness.=20 That is a capitulation to the extraction and exploitation of time. As Orwell put it quite well, and which also covers the speeding of "now" = into a disappearing "then", the "future" really ceases to exist at all: "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the = present controls the past." The squeeze between deleting the past by PCers and PCs 'transmerging = humans' in the future is suffocating and the only way to stop to allow = [an unsuffocated] thinking is to do just that....=20 My suggestion would be to go for 10.4! It's tested more to itself than = 11 is to itself. Other peoples release habits have little to do with = actual quality because they do not assure QA. Time allows people to use = "the town square" approach to solving issues, and at least creates known = "avoid" flags and "workaround" shares. Even if r11 will be better, let = it demonstrate it first. There's not a shortage on upgrading and why do = it all if the time resuscitating increases in its breadth and/or depth. = Maybe check the areas where you'll most use 9 v. 10.4 v. 11, if tickets = open-closed in those areas are indeed tracked, so you can see if an = intended high-use module/function has had any changes to it and too what = degree of change. If that information is missing in the build-release = process, then the build-release process needs to be transcended as it = now exists? Bugs need to be prevented... not discovered. Maybe trust your experience rather than a release#-incrementing = algorithm, esp. when it is followed by ".0". Decide based on the rate of flaws rather than on a speed of releases, = and consider that "change for change's sake" is a pastime (the passing = of time) and investing habit of wasting your future time by "selling the = past short". best, chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 07:41:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6D1F04174 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C18B87375 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518680509; bh=gNJ+hjbQjEMzI9/EZ2MhoV03mhz8qtXwAKxVKWx+FEs=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=zyIHMie7NfwPtjaatHkQ4Llos+UCE9JYlsH3gIkBpA0VHrRFFD5rqlkv14zRpKOLr dkvWRE2mobaU1hBOLDZf2th3hEMTk+QCIevea2UfJ06U0/Nw/YqhEzIuR6g2CNW93v 3jNWUmHyckaogRqA2wc79uwGR0/I6PIZe4nwNXvQ= To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Per olof Ljungmark Subject: which limit is hit here? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:41:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:41:58 -0000 Hi, A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with signal 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the content in a mailbox. On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from truss reads: mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = 34783363072 (0x819400000) mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 (0x843000000) SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) and a tempfile is produced, always same size: 3017208832 cyrus.squat.NEW Same result on 10.3 and 11-STABLE. Is there a knob to let squatter have the necessary resource to complete the indexing? Thanks, //per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 07:57:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF767F04FDC for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8976D87C46 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id i184so18779372qkf.10 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:57:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=axW/pC/Lcu8qIpsjBKfwHpMOaQmhuqjCLc32CoEHPTQ=; b=YK9P+98ADaL7BGPfezO8cDGZKAbUaSX8sOZDhbZLdy2GTrwJf8Sj//7crvTChfGAMq 8ECj29/aqzFdYYdWsEYSYKczJPIX0hBiKYNdGPpGdwD8zMoy4pGm67u+5DgqfySkruI4 OU4/sZt6+NZ3U+p+raDgylJyayYOoYOQulMcWLnnyr7Elhqo4CQ7EcfeJCnvVhXft140 iI6yIMbKrmVzg/ljV4ghe6A22t+Hu2MCJAbmXlJ39cLKd61EAzq2Od96U0zBhzqLJoCd Z2Lz7agNAXMsbWAzdHw0Lg5SlJ5nSDhVzBAS8LOHSUzU+e1JEj8mdjTsfxdtBxpGQr3r 42fg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=axW/pC/Lcu8qIpsjBKfwHpMOaQmhuqjCLc32CoEHPTQ=; b=cMfZY2Zi3af0BPlo/PU9LpFSjrrUN2+k6YXi9pgZ0SU+8KHgO3plWe4SslV3rQ1tHS rKPBCWuHhAIsb3djGpGGdbnEnAidyCi+lMXF2yf7gx+Jv2MMoDI6HS9ywl3IJKQCGmUH QiqTIRYxd5Wxl3oQ12mLYMoa0QYdBNx5WYrfeL8wzfSJoaf7bmnaSe7bbG83g+EGJZd9 jTh6Ea4bxyh1sOydUWDMZyCsv8qrajPm5ZikGVKB5V6jah4EHTb7eZX9R9JXZ7FNMyaO CHAnNGwBrRFF5vece3ZS1TpJCDB2gPUC6U58QxRig9Mx7tQfj+7Dgzp3CFntblH0OHVb 08RQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCFJ+rE2JICAjgm/P8n3MoJARSeZUZ4vqSPjUkUMQ7Q9ojSaJm8 dPiGt8ZoUWROBtxiI5rHwtBjsNYAGqO9UYepbftOhg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225yvjY8Cn2TYJxjvh7+29BD54jcYTzBG9DmILQXKCb2HflhlfrirgbM41SF1/H20NkIwDjhsXJSEid34k0Lu30= X-Received: by 10.55.79.68 with SMTP id d65mr2739436qkb.153.1518681420117; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:57:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.183.136 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:56:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Michael Schuster Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:56:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: Per olof Ljungmark Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:57:01 -0000 Hi Per, On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Hi, > > A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with signal > 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the content in a > mailbox. > > On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from truss reads: > > mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = > 34783363072 (0x819400000) > mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 > (0x843000000) > SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() returned successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates some pointer and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's conjecture), PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write to that mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd actually trigger SIGSEGV. I'd suggest you do something like $ gdb squatter core (gdb) bt and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of Cyrus-IMAP... HTH Michael > and a tempfile is produced, always same size: > 3017208832 cyrus.squat.NEW > > Same result on 10.3 and 11-STABLE. > > Is there a knob to let squatter have the necessary resource to complete > the indexing? > > Thanks, > > //per > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 08:07:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E01F05B26 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:07:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD4916821C for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:07:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue007 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lrlu6-1efEzn0UYw-013bxp; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:07:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:07:04 +0100 From: Polytropon To: C Gray Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? Message-Id: <20180215090704.c1f4dd98.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <8212BAA6-DC01-4AD5-BCBF-012D97447060@council124.org> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> <8212BAA6-DC01-4AD5-BCBF-012D97447060@council124.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:xTHOjKsAjBQSFcUZ/K7/tRK8a7P5FQu1IYZS4iZyBoJQk94Gs+T elkeSLjZgufS3mXUvRNq5ayCPH9IqlII4FXicDzJU+3sW/r5RH0I7VwJUkcCRFZVdPzml+u uDpJQauvfxdX8iVCXNH944j9uPCFwZ1wa/bzazZ7Ti1dXeB8jZ3tDvlmvIftNOr+LqCXhCo cdqnJiLKlwYuXFVwmfTcA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:L9jpFg3tRuo=:jk0pOkiiqArZwp38/0B4fF AZqElBM2x5NMsE2F6sAk2vLyzvOTOaZTlprkbQhaP0pYxgd3EDiJPrW+WozRAifAUQ6/YWQiX 0OGfgC7CCkJIlQYItge6fez27RoNrO1onDZt84wyeSEQ0mncaBgcxrW+MLvB8IIAehyAKS5IZ 2x9v2u2MvBv4O00QX+4++SHEx3GJgTsHhtQBVllkNVPMBZf2pOo4UJBpqRpfDYuW8udA3Ap/g 0l3oudTQvjyRyojrgMdlCzDpw5r6x+ypNXyaBSWuPxYK3mNs9AbzkFocSNMQxeRfr5EGPpZBf Veuruh/s/a6uEWaDNeQKye00S6jOrJbnLXClyYIs2hENkoc2DPDrjUiO03TRGCJZV28w82oYR m4LWg1pw5MKAhOykvh2bew9pv1S4XfSchshzrfRkodxR+Co0c8jnTWMu9nBBCd+caqyG1rmuZ I/gEdBDtFQUwQHd3Qggy7sEUE4MGmX8m+It7OTtw0CSBpeOayo5c/3FhCtUfhL0oITh9Q+szQ GTFnbgAr7a/77gqGDRwj/J9Cb1OxGm9skPsNXjzEI1wQIIT1GgACe3sUaJg8YB04D8G46CTj1 xFPN76CBV0SSwmoIG5ZomlrVCI1T3aZxIt/P0Dqn/H/keXAARrhJw4XGqAyFKQ0/LmsSGcWD7 ZWhA8FpR5wwiztCwoHKqWoUZ1vn9TvWFICXYxC+UYj+Riw0MJq4j8QlWgWAnKbvGZFaEs/4yG Hm5L6eCJleS5B03/4SiFeL98bATqDoTEUuh1o4Wp4ftDp6J7hISuwt+7dUo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:07:16 -0000 On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:08:26 -0800, C Gray wrote: > Moving to something called stable means that the build (not the > release) is stabilized. FreeBSD's terminology is quite simple and works like a destillery: HEAD / CURRENT -> experimental changes, stuff might disappear, code might not even build; very frequent updates to repository STABLE -> changes verified will usually build and run as intended; still frequent updates RC -> release candidate, still changes possible for actual release; fewer updates PRERELEASE -> about to be released; only smaller fixes RELEASE -> tested and verified; updates only as security patches Each stage is more reliable than the one before, better tested, and more suitable for general use. > [...] it goes for anything manufactured in a world where fixing > costs and the "customer is always right" has been mutated into > "the customer is always ripe". ] Or: As long as you pay, you get what we want! The customer (or consumer) hardly has a choice. Due to excessive vendor lock-in by means both of software (proprietary, nonstandard, classified) and of legal (contracts), they hardly can change their fate once they got "on hook". Entry is cheap, but keeping systems alive becomes more and more expensive. For business users, this is absolutely no problem due to tax law: (1st) they can mark the ex- penses as material costs and use them for deduction, and (2nd) they can relay their increasing costs all the way down to the final consumer who has no other choice than paying all the parasites along the way. > In Test and QA (integrated in with Development) we were taught > (by losing customers and costs/time/resources lost to fixing > issues directly related to poor-planning, short-cutting, and > thinly-testing) NOT to pass those inherent problems on to > later and to end-users/customers, because it all comes back > to you in the end... No, because customers have a volatile memory. Remember Intel's trouble with Meltdown and Spectre? Nobody cares. Car manufacturers cheating? No consequences (especially not in Germany). Planned obsolescence? Doesn't matter, just buy a new one. Oh, regarding Intel: Why not leave the testing to the customers? "Here is a patch for the microcode. Go ahead, install it, and when your system should crash, please create an excessive report for us to examine. Thank you!" :-) But that's not specific to Intel. Sometimes, I have to deal with "premium business software" where "premium" seems to imply that you get buggy software, no support, no explanations, and you should call a specific phone number - with "premium" pricing of course. And users actually _pay_ to be treated like that! Unbelievable... but reality. > Spaghetti code, non-modularity, platform-dependencies... they're > all coming back as "computer science" is fully replaced by the > rapid-release strategies of "computer marketing". There is a term for this, more than 30 years old: RAD (Rapid Appli- cation Development). :-) > Planned obsolescence is a behavioral issue more than a materials > problem, and as a view accepted tends to hurt you directly at a > cellular level rather than indirectly at an update level. It is accepted as a requirement (!) for a "free market" to work. The "invisible hand" seems to enforce this mindset. > If FreeBSD r11 doesn't show me less issues than r10 which > should have less issues than r9, then the opposite may actually > be true (or TrueOS). The main problem here is that every new release introduces new functionality, and sometimes includes fundamental changes to system-vital infrastructures. Those additions to the codebase need special care, as you pointed out correctly. > The drive to eradicate real-world stability is lost to the > fetish of "new"-ness. This is what consumers have been trained to "want". There now often seems to be the mindset "when it's new, it's good", no matter if it's _really_ good. > That is a capitulation to the extraction and exploitation of time. > As Orwell put it quite well, and which also covers the speeding > of "now" into a disappearing "then", the "future" really ceases > to exist at all: > "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls > the present controls the past." > The squeeze between deleting the past by PCers and PCs > 'transmerging humans' in the future is suffocating and the only > way to stop to allow [an unsuffocated] thinking is to do just > that.... As business dictates: Thinking should be left to those who create the ad content. Mindless drones can implement the crap that "happy" consumers will finally buy. ;-) > My suggestion would be to go for 10.4! It's tested more to itself > than 11 is to itself. Other peoples release habits have little > to do with actual quality because they do not assure QA. Time > allows people to use "the town square" approach to solving > issues, and at least creates known "avoid" flags and "workaround" > shares. Still the v10 branch approaches EOL, and v11 will soon be the only branch that receives support. > Maybe trust your experience rather than a release#-incrementing > algorithm, esp. when it is followed by ".0". That's why today version numbering starts at N.1. :-) > Decide based on the rate of flaws rather than on a speed of > releases, and consider that "change for change's sake" is a > pastime (the passing of time) and investing habit of wasting > your future time by "selling the past short". Speed of releases doesn't really seem to be an indicator for software quality. Yes, I know: "release early, release often". You can probably do that when you're a web-based startup in the Bay Area. But there are customers who want to install something _once_, and then keep using it for years (and not only months or weeks before the first updates and security patches for the newly installed product arrive). Sidenote: I have a customer with a FreeBSD 4.4 server in his office (for special purposes). The machine still works, and it does what its users expect. For almost 20 years now. Let's see which "essential software" of today will still run un- changed (!) in 20 years. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 08:28:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E76F07442 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22B24690BD for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1518683292; x=1521275292; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=xEac3BCe376FMe/SkIcmhMPOKWL982pOeb89geMyC5g=; b=Ew7r7eYa8bNvA0F6fpdv4up//QrHen4A7lwxiy70nv9ilXt9asbTrTMVb4m4nuLcyfDJnaBYAgDvbnPWG7v6sqBcIzjgUJFwyKllZZLkDCJMUILl/rJyRRd0lh9I/77C3zdPJj/i3bJp5Oh6coZoLkrQ5J7rqgJz7SpKKZuaUvs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45MDAwMDAwMDA3NDQ0OS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.85.171.149]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:28:02 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:28:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1emEta-000EJm-Gt; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:27:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:27:58 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? Message-Id: <20180215082758.747ebea03180f4d9e6ec0997@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180215090704.c1f4dd98.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> <8212BAA6-DC01-4AD5-BCBF-012D97447060@council124.org> <20180215090704.c1f4dd98.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:28:11 -0000 On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:07:04 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > Sidenote: I have a customer with a FreeBSD 4.4 server in his Wow! I'd have pushed up to 4.11 which along with 1.1.5.1 was one of the really golden releases. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 09:06:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0028F0A42F for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 744116BAF4 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518685567; bh=qu+5y53DGyntZsYOu72U0tQhCpBdsZ4QS+yARFXMTLU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=pdcAOLOeaDg3/uVKmvrTw/cmw9W4V3c78pSTTLmngaBWRo97mS0Ct9K5iyI/LIwDy wMBNZHhcMV15rn+V20qCDDX33LI1/w+6sHr6zNiCmu/q1IyYbPHpAotY4OBHaKG6BB KvuTC9gUrlOpnRaJhSCSmSEZv4jKZVUXAvQ+YpXQ= Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: Michael Schuster Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: <71635f3b-0494-1956-fa31-bd8df7b72a93@nethead.se> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:10 -0000 On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > Hi Per, > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > wrote: > > Hi, > > A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with signal > 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the content in a > mailbox. > > On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from truss > reads: > > mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = > 34783363072 (0x819400000) > mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 > (0x843000000) > SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > > > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() returned > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates some pointer > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's conjecture), > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write to that > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd actually trigger > SIGSEGV. > > I'd suggest you do something like > $ gdb squatter core > (gdb) bt > > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of Cyrus-IMAP... Hi, gdb says, (gdb) bt #0 0x00000000004049cc in ?? () #1 0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () #2 0x0000000804445130 in ?? () #3 0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () #4 0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () #5 0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () #6 0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () #7 0x0000000810800000 in ?? () #8 0x0000000200000045 in ?? () #9 0x000000083a400000 in ?? () #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? 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To: Per olof Ljungmark Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:07:25 -0000 hmm ... what does gdb's "info shared" print out? On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi Per, > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with signal > > 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the content > in a > > mailbox. > > > > On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from truss > > reads: > > > > mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) > = > > 34783363072 (0x819400000) > > mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 > > (0x843000000) > > SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > > process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > > > > > > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() returned > > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates some pointer > > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's conjecture), > > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write to that > > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd actually trigger > > SIGSEGV. > > > > I'd suggest you do something like > > $ gdb squatter core > > (gdb) bt > > > > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of Cyrus-IMAP... > > Hi, > > gdb says, > > (gdb) bt > #0 0x00000000004049cc in ?? () > #1 0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () > #2 0x0000000804445130 in ?? () > #3 0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () > #4 0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () > #5 0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () > #6 0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () > #7 0x0000000810800000 in ?? () > #8 0x0000000200000045 in ?? () > #9 0x000000083a400000 in ?? () > #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () > #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () > #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () > #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () > #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () > #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () > #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () > #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () > #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () > #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () > #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () > #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () > #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 09:27:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F31F0BE77 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:27:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED2BE6CFB8 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518686846; bh=l8c56ebOwmWNlm/DUgZ0UbvmxDojoZdMg512UVdiSWM=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=YRhP1gTDD6XtUod0QlowIc6bRzkaxpj10N3iwVRpKV7UBzWAawGY+PnqV3UowrvKS VmtxNkE7+6AGb0sEvIJxlSTK901StCccuJRCEgt9RCGu0ubTW6JHTpetODen33g9+3 T8FXov8cG6Ogdv/w4YK9puGEjTnuhjjwh4twrR78= Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: Michael Schuster Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <71635f3b-0494-1956-fa31-bd8df7b72a93@nethead.se> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:27:28 -0000 On 02/15/18 10:07, Michael Schuster wrote: > hmm ...  > > what does gdb's "info shared" print out? "No shared libraries loaded at this time." > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > wrote: > > On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi Per, > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > >> wrote: > > > >     Hi, > > > >     A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with signal > >     11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the content in a > >     mailbox. > > > >     On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from truss > >     reads: > > > >     mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = > >     34783363072 (0x819400000) > >     mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 > >     (0x843000000) > >     SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > >     process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > > > > > > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() returned > > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates some pointer > > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's conjecture), > > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write to that > > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd actually trigger > > SIGSEGV. > > > > I'd suggest you do something like > > $ gdb squatter core > > (gdb) bt > > > > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of Cyrus-IMAP... > > Hi, > > gdb says, > > (gdb) bt > #0  0x00000000004049cc in ?? () > #1  0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () > #2  0x0000000804445130 in ?? () > #3  0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () > #4  0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () > #5  0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () > #6  0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () > #7  0x0000000810800000 in ?? () > #8  0x0000000200000045 in ?? () > #9  0x000000083a400000 in ?? () > #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () > #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () > #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () > #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () > #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () > #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () > #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () > #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () > #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () > #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () > #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () > #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () > #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' -- Per olof Ljungmark +46 707 50 20 46 Nethead AB Registered in Stockholm, Sweden SE556815226701 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 09:31:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9019F0C508 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com (mail-qt0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A006D478 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id f18so11081061qth.11 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:31:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ufTh8xpPno+zwpItImbxaIq2sIN374lf2I21hUicqrw=; b=YLta3vERBw/z0GhsARfDgJyUUXrONclv1ELkjL1P6KHF8Z28Kl/a2MId2f7NLctEcE 3c8PccKr/w/WuyeB6T87i3kcAB/RfEthtGoMx3//y7XN9YbLvZ1ZxIoU/wIS5YKa/7mF h+QByyIYQfWtK2R3AEGuamXKyYzOH1zYfGu8MmbDFc7NHDgVs6H/LQMXR+hZj/V4XugE Ka6fbvO/JolE5u9k9uNEV7VPeE0jWK0BsHYhKcTBosaXyfkzOu8wZB6GEv0OBq/LLyIE 2UMuEcQxpaML8yymvkG9WmsgJKRK7rvu8t6AD0kHHj7gnWhodlWScARXrA1UVLzEsN8k Q5fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ufTh8xpPno+zwpItImbxaIq2sIN374lf2I21hUicqrw=; b=f4DsVyJVmRHUEf9cWe4JpZv2tMM+41Fpdd8Jzk3MULqJQETWqFukJhgMH05WOzMU9V mTOVq/qN71qf0jUw5Q1funmeY4hzSdWxDDH9yK9dZY02mnb8WmLbLOd3jjqZszzSdnWa +eU/H//8Bspln784ckgXXFkknRxVejyavWgvY/W3zYJ5+ETWwJPirTIk/j5JyrOzmtGO GBAEJ5/pOXvnIu0+eSBEyeOVg+cQGl1bwwNdjfokXtIUnBNCr+6mEWxzBQ868SBM+hnb zF37tVFx+EpANLqXkcK9vTSHnsYWK/s3yiPemHmdWDSe/MV0XFEpXttRbECDWbjaaj7o wLrA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAR+3mdrDlsxF0ZCnCMtxdjoy2PRSgpaVH/oIoqa9FFE2AiEsMm MzjR2Sb7dwoRB1Bj2GETBbDUb9/WF3xk66rIz0s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2279AMzxnmFuhrmOkfLu2C+g8dJ+9RLPnX6cGPIAeimbKETt0ux+k/rU1ApNIURmztxYIv/+fr928WeDYjGLF+A= X-Received: by 10.200.4.159 with SMTP id s31mr3238559qtg.144.1518687093888; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:31:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.183.136 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:31:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <71635f3b-0494-1956-fa31-bd8df7b72a93@nethead.se> From: Michael Schuster Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: Per olof Ljungmark Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:31:35 -0000 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > > > On 02/15/18 10:07, Michael Schuster wrote: > > hmm ... > > > > what does gdb's "info shared" print out? > > "No shared libraries loaded at this time." > is that really all? I'd expect something like this (library names removed by me) - this is not on BSD, btw, but I'd expect gdb to behave in a similar fashion: (gdb) info shared >From To Syms Read Shared Object Library 0x01120000 0x011b090c Yes xxxx 0x78a3e000 0x78a64660 Yes (*) xxxxxx 0x78317000 0x7831d290 Yes (*) xxxxxx.so 0x78087000 0x78087000 No xxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.1 0x78056000 0x78056000 No xxxxxxxxxx.1.2 0x7801f000 0x7801f000 No xxxxxxxxxxxxso.1.0 0x7800c000 0x7800c000 No xxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 0x78000000 0x78000000 No xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 0x78017000 0x78017000 No xxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 0x78129000 0x7819f960 Yes xxxxxxso 0x78037000 0x78040768 Yes xxxxxxxx.so 0x78025000 0x7802f6e0 Yes xxxxxxxxso.2 0x78047000 0x78054970 Yes xxxxxxxxxxx.so (*): Shared library is missing debugging information. (gdb) > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > wrote: > > > > On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > Hi Per, > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark < > peo@nethead.se > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with > signal > > > 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the > content in a > > > mailbox. > > > > > > On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from > truss > > > reads: > > > > > > mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) > = > > > 34783363072 (0x819400000) > > > mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 > > > (0x843000000) > > > SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > > > process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > > > > > > > > > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() > returned > > > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates some > pointer > > > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's > conjecture), > > > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write to that > > > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd actually > trigger > > > SIGSEGV. > > > > > > I'd suggest you do something like > > > $ gdb squatter core > > > (gdb) bt > > > > > > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of > Cyrus-IMAP... > > > > Hi, > > > > gdb says, > > > > (gdb) bt > > #0 0x00000000004049cc in ?? () > > #1 0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () > > #2 0x0000000804445130 in ?? () > > #3 0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () > > #4 0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () > > #5 0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () > > #6 0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () > > #7 0x0000000810800000 in ?? () > > #8 0x0000000200000045 in ?? () > > #9 0x000000083a400000 in ?? () > > #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () > > #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () > > #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () > > #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () > > #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () > > #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () > > #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () > > #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () > > #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () > > #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () > > #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () > > #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () > > #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Schuster > > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > > -- > Per olof Ljungmark > +46 707 50 20 46 > Nethead AB > Registered in Stockholm, Sweden > SE556815226701 > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 09:48:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345B6F0D7FB for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C53216DE9A for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2722814DF8 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/2722814DF8; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <8ba7354b-9191-b287-e552-ace9d1e163e0@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:48:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86lgfvjk6c.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:48:30 -0000 On 14/02/2018 22:11, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Never got a chance to move to 10 in time. Should I just skip 10 and go > to 11? What will that break? And keep in mind I'm ZFS-on-Root, > although I haven't upgraded my bootloader or ZFS version yet. Given you're on ZFS then you should have boot environments available to you. BEs work great for major version upgrades -- and you can revert as needed if it doesn't work right the first time. You are correct that you should not update the boot blocks or the ZFS feature set until after you're sure you will never need to revert to 9.x again. ZFS is always backwards compatible, so your shiny new 11.x installation will work fine with the 9.x zpool and bootblocks. As for how you do the upgrade -- once you've created your 11.x boot environment, you can mount it by eg. beadm mount 11_1-RELEASE /mnt Then mount an instance of devfs: mount -t devfs devfs /mnt/dev and then you can chroot into the boot environment: chroot /mnt and from there you can apply your favourite method for upgrading. Remember to unmount /mnt/dev once you're done before you try and activate the new BE: exit (from the chroot) umount /mnt/dev beadm umount 11_1-RELEASE beadm activate 11_1-RELEASE shutdown -r now Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 09:54:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F732F0DF8D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B4306E465 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518688488; bh=w3cjpnXAh4fLP18oa+jndBGU03C/2L7G5BZ+8hobl2o=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=5CBpzFZkJgITAuWQpcnPrBgK6Irbtnd6kzEee0ogBWyD1Sey9wxXlpsEuVv0k14rP ZpBbWeHPGYMi4taZ0btuWGD+atmmkoRXc0cvqI8rc00e2DOv4aMCinAyRmS8Ra5vyT q7lCdbFsMZWa8KMnG7FBQ1i0jN0ZTfE0uCGeZy/E= Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: Michael Schuster Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <71635f3b-0494-1956-fa31-bd8df7b72a93@nethead.se> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: <0d45799f-cd71-86e2-9c70-d8da3b64364d@nethead.se> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:54:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:54:50 -0000 On 02/15/18 10:31, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > wrote: > > > > On 02/15/18 10:07, Michael Schuster wrote: > > hmm ...  > > > > what does gdb's "info shared" print out? > > "No shared libraries loaded at this time." > > > is that really all? Yes, that is what is says. >  I'd expect something like this (library names removed by me) - this is > not on BSD, btw, but I'd expect gdb to behave in a similar fashion: > > (gdb) info shared > From        To          Syms Read   Shared Object Library > 0x01120000  0x011b090c  Yes         xxxx > 0x78a3e000  0x78a64660  Yes (*)     xxxxxx > 0x78317000  0x7831d290  Yes (*)     xxxxxx.so > 0x78087000  0x78087000  No          xxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.1 > 0x78056000  0x78056000  No          xxxxxxxxxx.1.2 > 0x7801f000  0x7801f000  No          xxxxxxxxxxxxso.1.0 > 0x7800c000  0x7800c000  No          xxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > 0x78000000  0x78000000  No          xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > 0x78017000  0x78017000  No          xxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > 0x78129000  0x7819f960  Yes         xxxxxxso > 0x78037000  0x78040768  Yes         xxxxxxxx.so > 0x78025000  0x7802f6e0  Yes         xxxxxxxxso.2 > 0x78047000  0x78054970  Yes         xxxxxxxxxxx.so > (*): Shared library is missing debugging information. > (gdb) > >   > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > >> wrote: > > > >     On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > >     > Hi Per, > >     > > >     > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > >     > > >>> wrote: > >     > > >     >     Hi, > >     > > >     >     A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 > exits with signal > >     >     11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of > the content in a > >     >     mailbox. > >     > > >     >     On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final > message from truss > >     >     reads: > >     > > >     >    >  mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = > >     >     34783363072 (0x819400000) > >     >     mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = > 35483811840 > >     >     (0x843000000) > >     >     SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > >     >     process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > >     > > >     > > >     > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() > returned > >     > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates > some pointer > >     > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's > conjecture), > >     > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write > to that > >     > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd > actually trigger > >     > SIGSEGV. > >     > > >     > I'd suggest you do something like > >     > $ gdb squatter core > >     > (gdb) bt > >     > > >     > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of > Cyrus-IMAP... > > > >     Hi, > > > >     gdb says, > > > >     (gdb) bt > >     #0  0x00000000004049cc in ?? () > >     #1  0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () > >     #2  0x0000000804445130 in ?? () > >     #3  0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () > >     #4  0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () > >     #5  0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () > >     #6  0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () > >     #7  0x0000000810800000 in ?? () > >     #8  0x0000000200000045 in ?? () > >     #9  0x000000083a400000 in ?? () > >     #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () > >     #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () > >     #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () > >     #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () > >     #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () > >     #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () > >     #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () > >     #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () > >     #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () > >     #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () > >     #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () > >     #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () > >     #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? 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To: Per olof Ljungmark Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:57:07 -0000 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > On 02/15/18 10:31, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 02/15/18 10:07, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > hmm ... > > > > > > what does gdb's "info shared" print out? > > > > "No shared libraries loaded at this time." > > > > > > is that really all? > > Yes, that is what is says. > in that case, someone with more intimate knowledge of (and access to) FreeBSD and/or Cyrus-IMAP will have to step in ... sorry :-) Michael > > I'd expect something like this (library names removed by me) - this is > > not on BSD, btw, but I'd expect gdb to behave in a similar fashion: > > > > (gdb) info shared > > From To Syms Read Shared Object Library > > 0x01120000 0x011b090c Yes xxxx > > 0x78a3e000 0x78a64660 Yes (*) xxxxxx > > 0x78317000 0x7831d290 Yes (*) xxxxxx.so > > 0x78087000 0x78087000 No xxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.1 > > 0x78056000 0x78056000 No xxxxxxxxxx.1.2 > > 0x7801f000 0x7801f000 No xxxxxxxxxxxxso.1.0 > > 0x7800c000 0x7800c000 No xxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > > 0x78000000 0x78000000 No xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > > 0x78017000 0x78017000 No xxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > > 0x78129000 0x7819f960 Yes xxxxxxso > > 0x78037000 0x78040768 Yes xxxxxxxx.so > > 0x78025000 0x7802f6e0 Yes xxxxxxxxso.2 > > 0x78047000 0x78054970 Yes xxxxxxxxxxx.so > > (*): Shared library is missing debugging information. > > (gdb) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Per olof Ljungmark < > peo@nethead.se > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > > Hi Per, > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark < > peo@nethead.se > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 > > exits with signal > > > > 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of > > the content in a > > > > mailbox. > > > > > > > > On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final > > message from truss > > > > reads: > > > > > > > > > > mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) > = > > > > 34783363072 (0x819400000) > > > > mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = > > 35483811840 > > > > (0x843000000) > > > > SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > > > > process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > > > > > > > > > > > > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() > > returned > > > > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates > > some pointer > > > > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's > > conjecture), > > > > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write > > to that > > > > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd > > actually trigger > > > > SIGSEGV. > > > > > > > > I'd suggest you do something like > > > > $ gdb squatter core > > > > (gdb) bt > > > > > > > > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of > > Cyrus-IMAP... > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > gdb says, > > > > > > (gdb) bt > > > #0 0x00000000004049cc in ?? () > > > #1 0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () > > > #2 0x0000000804445130 in ?? () > > > #3 0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () > > > #4 0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () > > > #5 0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () > > > #6 0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () > > > #7 0x0000000810800000 in ?? () > > > #8 0x0000000200000045 in ?? () > > > #9 0x000000083a400000 in ?? () > > > #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () > > > #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () > > > #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () > > > #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () > > > #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () > > > #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () > > > #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () > > > #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () > > > #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () > > > #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () > > > #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () > > > #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () > > > #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Schuster > > > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > > > > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > > > > -- > > Per olof Ljungmark > > +46 707 50 20 46 > > Nethead AB > > Registered in Stockholm, Sweden > > SE556815226701 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Schuster > > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > > -- > Per olof Ljungmark > +46 707 50 20 46 > Nethead AB > Registered in Stockholm, Sweden > SE556815226701 > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 10:00:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D1DF0E6D5 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 840E26E925; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518688835; bh=N2oSJZeOULfsaI2lTxf0zLwjE6vgll7WqKTYujkRjgQ=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=eJ4E2e31kaTzdS0l3P1C1wNHOfp2zkUiCPDEowWkW7vZov0RNKpkcvU+kVhw6W5OY 2PcYukTP58ZRCIYTnagjA/2Q1XdYunHqeLVtvzP3aKtJ+GR9eOQbu1c+hflHgXfSuV cUQG+/POGMdOqMhHk93WTTfVpHsZmO06C+DSKCMU= Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: Michael Schuster Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , ume@FreeBSD.org References: <71635f3b-0494-1956-fa31-bd8df7b72a93@nethead.se> <0d45799f-cd71-86e2-9c70-d8da3b64364d@nethead.se> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:00:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:00:39 -0000 On 02/15/18 10:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > wrote: > > On 02/15/18 10:31, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >     On 02/15/18 10:07, Michael Schuster wrote: > >     > hmm ...  > >     > > >     > what does gdb's "info shared" print out? > > > >     "No shared libraries loaded at this time." > > > > > > is that really all? > > Yes, that is what is says. > > > in that case, someone with more intimate knowledge of (and access to) > FreeBSD and/or Cyrus-IMAP will have to step in ... sorry :-) Like the maintainer of the port ...? Thank you anyway! > >  I'd expect something like this (library names removed by me) - this is > > not on BSD, btw, but I'd expect gdb to behave in a similar fashion: > > > > (gdb) info shared > > From        To          Syms Read   Shared Object Library > > 0x01120000  0x011b090c  Yes         xxxx > > 0x78a3e000  0x78a64660  Yes (*)     xxxxxx > > 0x78317000  0x7831d290  Yes (*)     xxxxxx.so > > 0x78087000  0x78087000  No          xxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.1 > > 0x78056000  0x78056000  No          xxxxxxxxxx.1.2 > > 0x7801f000  0x7801f000  No          xxxxxxxxxxxxso.1.0 > > 0x7800c000  0x7800c000  No          xxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > > 0x78000000  0x78000000  No          xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > > 0x78017000  0x78017000  No          xxxxxxxxx.so.1.0 > > 0x78129000  0x7819f960  Yes         xxxxxxso > > 0x78037000  0x78040768  Yes         xxxxxxxx.so > > 0x78025000  0x7802f6e0  Yes         xxxxxxxxso.2 > > 0x78047000  0x78054970  Yes         xxxxxxxxxxx.so > > (*): Shared library is missing debugging information. > > (gdb) > > > >   > > > > > >     > > >     > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > >     > > >>> wrote: > >     > > >     >     On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > >     >     > Hi Per, > >     >     > > >     >     > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark > > > >     >> > >     >     > > > > >      > >>>> wrote: > >     >     > > >     >     >     Hi, > >     >     > > >     >     >     A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 > >     exits with signal > >     >     >     11. The purpose of the process is to create an > index of > >     the content in a > >     >     >     mailbox. > >     >     > > >     >     >     On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final > >     message from truss > >     >     >     reads: > >     >     > > >     >     >    > >    >   mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = > >     >     >     34783363072 (0x819400000) > >     >     >     mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = > >     35483811840 > >     >     >     (0x843000000) > >     >     >     SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) > >     >     >     process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) > >     >     > > >     >     > > >     >     > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* > mmap() > >     returned > >     >     > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates > >     some pointer > >     >     > and tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's > >     conjecture), > >     >     > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write > >     to that > >     >     > mapped region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd > >     actually trigger > >     >     > SIGSEGV. > >     >     > > >     >     > I'd suggest you do something like > >     >     > $ gdb squatter core > >     >     > (gdb) bt > >     >     > > >     >     > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of > >     Cyrus-IMAP... > >     > > >     >     Hi, > >     > > >     >     gdb says, > >     > > >     >     (gdb) bt > >     >     #0  0x00000000004049cc in ?? () > >     >     #1  0x0000000803456da4 in ?? () > >     >     #2  0x0000000804445130 in ?? () > >     >     #3  0x003875e5ffffcb00 in ?? () > >     >     #4  0x00000008047e7008 in ?? () > >     >     #5  0x00000008047e7048 in ?? () > >     >     #6  0x00000001040000c0 in ?? () > >     >     #7  0x0000000810800000 in ?? () > >     >     #8  0x0000000200000045 in ?? () > >     >     #9  0x000000083a400000 in ?? () > >     >     #10 0x00000008047e8e98 in ?? () > >     >     #11 0x00000000000003bb in ?? () > >     >     #12 0x00000008047e8eb8 in ?? () > >     >     #13 0x00000000000000bf in ?? () > >     >     #14 0x0ffd2a151071e550 in ?? () > >     >     #15 0x000000bf00000002 in ?? () > >     >     #16 0x37cf558c1298d1e7 in ?? () > >     >     #17 0x0135682800000000 in ?? () > >     >     #18 0x02e00a0e020d0336 in ?? () > >     >     #19 0x0487888c03b90d10 in ?? () > >     >     #20 0x062618da0556e126 in ?? () > >     >     #21 0x0000000006f31067 in ?? () > >     >     #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > >     > > >     > > >     > > >     > > >     > -- > >     > Michael Schuster > >     > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > >      > > >     > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > > > >     -- > >     Per olof Ljungmark > >     +46 707 50 20 46 > > >     Nethead AB > >     Registered in Stockholm, Sweden > >     SE556815226701 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Schuster > > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > > -- > Per olof Ljungmark > +46 707 50 20 46 > Nethead AB > Registered in Stockholm, Sweden > SE556815226701 > > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' -- Per olof Ljungmark +46 707 50 20 46 Nethead AB Registered in Stockholm, Sweden SE556815226701 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 12:40:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AAAF1A898 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22e.google.com (mail-yw0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6AF275222 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id i63so743610ywg.10 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:40:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zTxAdq27lhm3O3Tca9wwSAwpt727eIobgBMdntxhaDA=; b=rl645NQL3scRvLqxGYPnBVbGdoDWiyVT1cG3XLO5HOCxz65KJ9Pjw2DzoRw1rBCDoN I0WJyqGRFXOcGr5Q+hF6GftpbDg66ynD+uzt4M8E70lbIOpyIoiEmU4cVZqM1Sejb2jf 7yQJKAw4R5rGiY3ml25bjyXIbiHW4mt7/1BsW7wIx/zI5z7l6OnfbstXXfbyeAkvGfVQ n51/0R5zahPR2M/9n1ntoSrM0zfnyDhDvE+ta41Qa8PcoINElTnUflGPApN51KZUXnx/ BV7NYNCXVHDglFdV/yEmOHQOeBtiSvzo7OnJWqbb99Ew9nsZ5e8K3SNJM1Y8T9WQHwu/ 4cOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zTxAdq27lhm3O3Tca9wwSAwpt727eIobgBMdntxhaDA=; b=iznIFHqG7E09r6YEvSnILTtw1MYHG0gtHvqgMSplCYpmkeXp9UjpMC1jHmfZ08Kaxm C6CXo/LLQSYn2Iq+0JaYrQr4BWOciQYvnI3++FwppX/H7/MiMZYk3c92e6y7cZWIryrv PA+SIA6J+AoyIfvJgS8IizH4IfkVY40ros+40f7oI0iTATHAkEYLZjTvaqGA9kLOjr18 TnRYUscbm4WABf9GwUuPm6SkxCAvhUHqsAG5xd4rKA2rW3nYBrPVivhVNkyeHLu3QorI WBZVvQbpNC0vFo5PnyYZ54Cf4psdN5PDc4kyz4NIJV4WCJORxWGgI6s3XvP30nQ5ZUFb nreQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDuws9kxTtbDg+Iyc4ON6IoH8kkWJpECqikAJPpiSoQc48e56XA QvF1z+MH5rSDE+Lp7jaNmpAOB1ApaF6NHgo7OEA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226FHPhwme6xsged43/M4a7rlQomEw7OvMlDtEV2y5f8qfBj4d3X7Cq6FwK2fSsj65IFfWGMSGAAyapvxzALs8A= X-Received: by 10.37.172.211 with SMTP id x19mr1848455ybd.262.1518698399843; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:39:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.231.196 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:39:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Ultima Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:39:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Cc: John Levine , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:40:01 -0000 >>>>>> "John" == John Levine writes: > John> In article <86lgfvi20e.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> you write: >>> I'm on 9.3, and intended to use freebsd-update. > John> In that case I'd go to 10.4, poke at that long enough to make sure > John> things work, then go to 11.1. > Some of the ports I use are no longer building under 10.4... haven't > researched the details, but I wonder if they just weren't being > supported any more except under 11. Can you please list the ports in question? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 15:54:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37DBF0337D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77C547F4CD for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518710084; bh=iTlm8uObqQtrbH5M7VQEDe+f44toMqqeeEF5K3UzJlk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=WtW0ZhuimSYGIJE76AhArwuicBHbMYOnw2iD8thjfJl5HpnJHZiVvvzCpD4VDR6+U KaZYoqM4PzyYkJ8NDXh5RdhtIWJoi+9WSyIz4EdMQp5+Deqj2D67Q5LYTS3ZRNKH1J CaqpGRHASfkE8ehiZjTl8TPBXKiKkzyL00TZD3lo= Subject: Re: which limit is hit here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: <8ff3e3d7-6861-313f-9689-10bb7eccf779@nethead.se> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:54:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:54:47 -0000 On 02/15/18 08:56, Michael Schuster wrote: > Hi Per, > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A process "squatter" from Cyrus-IMAP version 2.5.11 exits with signal >> 11. The purpose of the process is to create an index of the content in a >> mailbox. >> >> On large mailboxes, squatter coredumps, the final message from truss reads: >> >> mmap(0x0,700448768,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON,-1,0x0) = >> 34783363072 (0x819400000) >> mmap(0x0,936334732,PROT_READ,MAP_SHARED,107,0x0) = 35483811840 >> (0x843000000) >> SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) >> process killed, signal = 11 (core dumped) Some ktrace output before crash if of any use, please let me know what more info can be produced: 49022 squatter RET write 154/0x9a 49022 squatter CALL lseek(0x96,0,SEEK_SET) 49022 squatter RET lseek 0 49022 squatter CALL mmap(0,0x9a,0x1,0x1,0x96,0) 49022 squatter RET mmap 34366210048/0x80062c000 49022 squatter CALL munmap(0x80062c000,0x9a) 49022 squatter RET munmap 0 49022 squatter CALL close(0x96) 49022 squatter RET close 0 49022 squatter CALL write(0x6b,0x80f105000,0xf884) 49022 squatter GIO fd 107 wrote 4096 bytes 49022 squatter RET write 63620/0xf884 49022 squatter CALL lseek(0x6b,0,SEEK_SET) 49022 squatter RET lseek 0 49022 squatter CALL mmap(0,0x29c00000,0x3,0x1002,0xffffffff,0) 49022 squatter RET mmap 34636562432/0x810800000 49022 squatter CALL mmap(0,0x37cf558c,0x1,0x1,0x6b,0) 49022 squatter RET mmap 35337011200/0x83a400000 49022 squatter PSIG SIGSEGV SIG_DFL code=SEGV_ACCERR 49022 squatter NAMI "squatter.core" > to me this looks like the error is happening *after* mmap() returned > successfully - most likely because "someone" miscalculates some pointer and > tries to access an unmapped address. Maybe (but that's conjecture), > PROT_READ is wrong here and someone is attempting to write to that mapped > region; I'm not 100% sure though whether that'd actually trigger SIGSEGV. > > I'd suggest you do something like > $ gdb squatter core > (gdb) bt > > and look at the output, and maybe go to the maintainers of Cyrus-IMAP... > > HTH > Michael > > >> and a tempfile is produced, always same size: >> 3017208832 cyrus.squat.NEW >> >> Same result on 10.3 and 11-STABLE. >> >> Is there a knob to let squatter have the necessary resource to complete >> the indexing? >> >> Thanks, >> >> //per >> > > -- Per olof Ljungmark +46 707 50 20 46 Nethead AB Registered in Stockholm, Sweden SE556815226701 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 19:06:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3788F11D21 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6608A6AD55 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1B38A6426; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:06:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: C Gray In-Reply-To: <20180215090704.c1f4dd98.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:06:22 -0800 Reply-To: C Gray Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <02A77ACD-1796-44A8-A1F4-43B4FEB56A80@council124.org> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> <8212BAA6-DC01-4AD5-BCBF-012D97447060@council124.org> <20180215090704.c1f4dd98.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:06:25 -0000 Thanks much for the release stage info, Polytropon. Processes are difficult to see, more so than code or issues based in = "the repeatable". They're harder to establish, and thus, w/o available documentation, to = describe since it has no compiler's warning/error messages. Issues are the most visible but require the code and the processes and = the documentation, which is why I ask. [Note: any greatness of 'man pages' ought to be always incorporated into = the general published (ASCII or paper) documentation, perhaps in a = note-referenced Appendix section of the 'man' pages at the end of the = published manual. It's a task, but then, it can just be pulled into the = published as monospaced ASCII text.] A possible hazard If they are not "with" each other, is that they may = not dovetail in" with each other, may contain errors, or contrary info = (w/r/tt design. params, I/Os, scope, or practical use.=20 Another may be that people often go to one when the other is = unavailable, and so, may not get a more complete/robust picture. [Examples: the company power goes out so all online doc is "poof"; the = only way to avoid the person staring at the side of your head in the bus = is to bury it in a manual so your boss will raise that annual review = rating. Also, it makes you look insane so no-one will mess with you, = except for another engineer noticing you are reading a Tektronix STI, = Euclid/Tunis, or PL/1 manual drawing further stares pondering whether = there's a Zippy or Dilbert book hidden from view.] Are the build-test-release cycle processes (and criteria for their = "acceptance" testing suites and pass/fail states) documented somewhere? As former test/qa engineer, I find it very reassuring and useful to tap = into historical snapshots of past and present builds/releases, esp. = during Alpha and Beta reviews of whatever section I volunteer to verify = and attempt to break (with white and black box testing, limit testing, = load testing, la te dah). It often also helps me to clarify my questions so they are based more = "in sense" and to find the right person working on and/or very = knowledgable about a module or code segment. Your description is concise and useful; I appreciate your quick and = accomodating assistance! best wishes, chris= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 04:31:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C649BF12B6B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38A19835E2 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MasOo-1f5iLE2Vis-00KQ7i; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: C Gray Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any problem going from 9.x (don't laugh) to 11 directly? Message-Id: <20180216052557.5d6cbfcb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <02A77ACD-1796-44A8-A1F4-43B4FEB56A80@council124.org> References: <20180215011907.6620E1B2DE28@ary.qy> <868tbvhwix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <7795e899-160e-f6af-c02d-6fa44982f864@ShaneWare.Biz> <8212BAA6-DC01-4AD5-BCBF-012D97447060@council124.org> <20180215090704.c1f4dd98.freebsd@edvax.de> <02A77ACD-1796-44A8-A1F4-43B4FEB56A80@council124.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:JFUZgdIlpJIjIlj7NsWuznhOmB6HQ3BFRScFpULBZi3CgkzF85C 5uDOKi5hN3QRmqDJCQf29vXq1sRdPkL32vjG/xsaVyAv+SZCLpufNvKB38uS7G2IzYcnuLo 7YGd00x1Y5VFwcExvWipVPv0aPZRmZnf8u/1kgjwR4DuB2FI38eJ4TKf+Z6k6NMIvfTOtS8 xVxiRDI9tkzucL0PqDSbw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:QqNz4CdeXeo=:5+dqJU2FWDYshonbhGux3u +pfBhykXnqh1lddulqkwA1A9G9ChwUgZTeLKxOfhF2/6Fm/YWWxLK7uWSPLkpwHn5q/eCotDG wZdalT/6IG92QFYefB0msu790UL3WYID0rTQhEp0mrrmQD3S/B+3m87y6Ge5ExC/SGDxx3d1K Ihb+RVR+lkZGPmNNQOTjb5R6b14WRGzsL1gznZYR+pTgeicKDI9oo2pu9JbILdzX31b2sXFJF Mc1xdikDa5A08Bu6Jlx75vCl64+WBosi7jvW0eqClyfW4IJhWpsAYNrtp6BZ2PaKiSjdLhRCL gqFvTFcr2gfmkyk5Yt9QteOmRGv9HUWXrt/I+aFwYOEVPZMAqt2q1My2p2heCvcvGJfAmkwrN gUuG8AK1L6DxHUlGqda8dUlkQ5gY11GSGBmdje7Ef5LjBDB70k5PG5y45Gh0Opi7Mcnx8oSge ATAzDAp01BHN4RRFeMkfwXlHcLN+kTVDuCro/YGuWnx++MIa9VyTnl4/wbFe4QFkNQGv3V+fS lZmgRtEAK5Z6aH9YONcYwwHj00QU30sayOEJpsfq5hLaFwrpOHcdWteo0OJY0xDqVMB3d6DYE TWvKHdwetc2xoWI3l56D7bal1AG+z3+1y9W5u5FEmbMOwQzPhUjIM4J65ziLLyl4U9eBxP4B5 qud8gpxHcoobDm04MV84UuH96pbZ23MDGF3czzE/S8m4IsoGj6koWT1Shkd5bWxe8cBmVksFf 25Wp1T0oCp5dNAqx/4CjBOfZlEQS4N5uP9BSeIj+RdRQdYiq+n/Ced4cNjw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:31:23 -0000 On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:06:22 -0800, C Gray wrote: > Thanks much for the release stage info, Polytropon. > > Processes are difficult to see, more so than code or issues based > in "the repeatable". > They're harder to establish, and thus, w/o available documentation, > to describe since it has no compiler's warning/error messages. That is correct. Even when your tools are working 100 % as intended, problems with the procedures (simplified: "how to properly use the tools") can lead to crappy software. Reality does show us this fact every day. :-) > [Note: any greatness of 'man pages' ought to be always incorporated > into the general published (ASCII or paper) documentation, perhaps > in a note-referenced Appendix section of the 'man' pages at the end > of the published manual. It's a task, but then, it can just be > pulled into the published as monospaced ASCII text.] There is absolutely no problem "transpiling" the manpages into HTML or PDF as formatted documents - and vice versa. As everything will basically be ASCII text with "formatting macros", such tasks could be automated. > A possible hazard If they are not "with" each other, is that they > may not dovetail in" with each other, may contain errors, or > contrary info (w/r/tt design. params, I/Os, scope, or practical use. That is the kind of documentation you typically find for "Windows" (_if_ you find public information at all). Sadly, the "RAD mentality" on Linux often leads to similar problems where there either is no documentation, or it is misleading, outdated, or incomplete. I know keeping documentation "in sync" with the software it belongs to is a hard task, but it is a task of _great_ value. Every programmer or system administrator will confirm this, but it's also important for testers so they can verify that what they see is what they are definitely expected to see. > Another may be that people often go to one when the other is > unavailable, and so, may not get a more complete/robust picture. > [Examples: the company power goes out so all online doc is "poof"; > the only way to avoid the person staring at the side of your > head in the bus is to bury it in a manual so your boss will > raise that annual review rating. Also, it makes you look insane > so no-one will mess with you, except for another engineer > noticing you are reading a Tektronix STI, Euclid/Tunis, or > PL/1 manual drawing further stares pondering whether there's > a Zippy or Dilbert book hidden from view.] Today's documentation is often found in Wikis (internal) or put into private users' blogs and web pages. It's scattered across the web and fills the search engine result lists, even though it's not what you're looking for. The search engine usually has the concept of presenting results, no matter if they even apply. Oh, and regarding bosses and manuals: "You are not expected to know this. That's why I've locked the manuals. Call the service representative or a consultant if you have problems." ;-) > Are the build-test-release cycle processes (and criteria for > their "acceptance" testing suites and pass/fail states) > documented somewhere? I'm quite confident they are. You should probably ask the FreeBSD team which is responsible for running the build systems, they will know the exact answer and can probably point you to where those procedures can be found. > As former test/qa engineer, I find it very reassuring and > useful to tap into historical snapshots of past and present > builds/releases, esp. during Alpha and Beta reviews of > whatever section I volunteer to verify and attempt to break > (with white and black box testing, limit testing, load testing, > la te dah). > > It often also helps me to clarify my questions so they are based > more "in sense" and to find the right person working on and/or > very knowledgable about a module or code segment. Note that the build infrastructure is not only for the OS (kernel and userland), but also for the ports submitted by external maintainers. As a programmer, it's very helpful to know what to expect from the system your software will be built on; knowing the procedures for the processes involved here can help to write better code (so there will be fewer patches and workarounds neccessary to "fix the code until the compiler doesn't complain anymore". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 09:47:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4E8F0209F for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636EA6FB6B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LhifF-1eQkBt0i01-00mw5l for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:47:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:47:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hBWQuSLbz6RYc66gtuPNLKWNr06/WgkzIpnazYRIWffjlMjbdsL acOSL20kgxuXGK+xJj9P02ltLS4QREK2M0vV2uPBLibDq/Z7Fasd0WPFCtLHFImEpRUvJBQ D00lHwthIoIsbiOzoKvaEvUFI4IYusx25zWE4pOzYb3ogCLV6i6X/trgxM6z5DwPrCTz0OJ Wo5lW7h6AISV2pnsdxIzA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:jD85jnWvyQA=:McpduqobcdB6K+/eyAL1J/ LgMGIEDPJmXzaKBseXzDsxFqhCU3IFcjjvNYa3ZyV6JKG/fqip7gKCifyYPSm+Qp4ajpV+L2c WOIbueUsH0/hA/2L2BBT9qQz5IEQKkwrjFWwCX4+GTSJ0B1DcieW/unKmuzIIL0V0j7wOB5P1 RPlIgnSkHTJQShFwqWFeBtbhX6/Ckn1IaYCw1B6EesdOpRwiwsFsZuKs8geyyJVv903ReQDa+ YczAjlzrsa9IQ75ZYHKtuSvVaaYUpaMG+UcnSVsNkoNE83fVwSxILwbWwJSGA3aIohNejBKLY 2AUDeVqiVL/ikhAty2B2xTBzTxijjWKYXSAxkccmcrWcjkCUG245KTIkkeuBqgBCsyGGbUlBo OMLyygQGQnvROvuXpqP71YscEuL3yr3ZqaGWd80Xpl+xlMca6jAmQqNZGpXCDMqCrfBKRBVNL 6+Je0C8YpIE7AFZS1FHLQpb4JNiBOHmqj5jOQQEEASTNoqcyQ4Sqh+UcaNL3PIBfCNXm58LA8 d0QLVjZm+mNaUGxl5tRcyPxBF3cqxs8ZXAC6hJy10Kb+yQMcraUxQCEeGdO3+0uPhlLPtYTF6 gzSWRVgQejf6boA3YCuaQI1WpBfdBPYiTMjGRRaCPgp33QGNtwQ7jLVm+ldgMT+2yEpeHj2lV 2fWhRUBgBuBzdP/GDZdss3Jtz1R3jtjaos7E1WLVN305q10durs/RjW4c3UN5Drndn+4YjTMR 1iyWMbO414qw6yDvWo83Fuw++IRjF/UfywE5W2kAwpxcQdR389VYQQ4k1h4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:47:13 -0000 Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. Attaching the iPad shows ipheth0 and ue0 devices. I have installed the imobiledevice and fusefs-ifuse packages via pkg. With the command # idevice pair execute twice (with confirming the trust dialog on the iPad) I got the system to print the iPad's device ID. But any of the other idevice* commands just leads to an error: # ideviceinfo ERROR: Could not connect to lockdownd, error code -3 Mounting attempts fail as well: # ifuse -d -u /mnt Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device. Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device. I did as instructed (repeated command, rebooted iPad), but no success. It does not matter if /var/lib/lockdown is mode 777 or what it initially was. It also does not matter if the commands are being executed as root or as a normal user. I have also tried gtkpod, but it doesn't detect anything at all. Manually configuring the iPad doesn't help, it does not connect, and the error message ("unsupported checksum type") doesn't help. I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: 1. I won't buy a Mac. 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". 3. I won't give out any personal identification information to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. Honestly, what's the problem of not presenting the device as a USB mass storage device? Even Android devices can do this (with specific limitations)! Shouldn't the iPad be easier to use, more advanced, more professionsl? ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 10:23:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41906F048D9 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB555710E0 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id b34so814497ioj.6 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:23:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1a8K+RKHWgxL7pyFxvzd6pHzNWqAYScv0ZMV+7IN3hw=; b=eIHPLItQArkr1MkbAYCMGf6NXCXlesgwCeUqO8v4RFxiV8tCQRjoSdoBtrGlJcqD46 KZojffzClaPy0fH2dQ5Gl5oChSzKyejScn7bR+aJ97+dZYCxFu2o6aISlb4iBeSJg8UI gC9YuASrixp53jEBHYCPgueoKP4j+bT55JPIhVpSX6jQhspSBg6MNUYrHQVSWPFt4EGb VYr2lXV9j59RG6HJZ7jIOoRAvSC8mXO1qeu4cCdJMuRzpvgmOC7xxH5T2m6opnQPZaCG X4i4q2SnMpA4mms0Qg6CUTIORMk9VpI8w+ir61olchUtJ49dohNNUoHxRbV9WUdt0neA 57Mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1a8K+RKHWgxL7pyFxvzd6pHzNWqAYScv0ZMV+7IN3hw=; b=C7OY4aL3IjtH02RBYH6bxVivy2farIALgtxs5qYgwAeHiwUnvK3rwVEb1YO3ZVNzJX ElnUil4RSh7BPpbt8mcTSwB7cvBhDW1MtKYP7LbasKczJsdzOTWWs51uKT3XaaHOlBno iuPQ84qRJVrmJyRvrJI2XqkLBilDKszr3X00JmbWv8j+FWZPcJO2L1pyyBQLBo+Bklzi H2jAub98Zc+/egLrCYO0pgi7emCVBecUDEP8EnC3yJWW/D6DdkWc2K04ub0c7RMGIob1 PmB6i5QPIy7PJt2svMBIFiirgCUj5znb1bFaDhkiGekrMydzi1WJG+4BYLJVefv6MHoU QqgA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDMhTeB9hFOJR6rSpp7ttmi2cnMlLx4hC4v4Gm5OLCHoaH+6J12 R5S11IdNAkEDSo2RErQacevCxKteJrRQvZmhDeo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225PBqE1KGsgkTOlEur5dOsMKfrrP3of85M9rQVDtKa1ljZpRaRsUsC1h335P2MsN579+RyU6Hqlb5RaiwITMXw= X-Received: by 10.107.78.5 with SMTP id c5mr7662665iob.120.1518776615226; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:23:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.73.79 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:23:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> From: krad Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:36 -0000 if its just file why not use an sftp client on the tablet to push them to freebsd? Assuming you have control of the tablet. On 16 February 2018 at 09:47, Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > > Attaching the iPad shows ipheth0 and ue0 devices. > > I have installed the imobiledevice and fusefs-ifuse packages > via pkg. > > With the command > > # idevice pair > > execute twice (with confirming the trust dialog on the iPad) > I got the system to print the iPad's device ID. But any of > the other idevice* commands just leads to an error: > > # ideviceinfo > ERROR: Could not connect to lockdownd, error code -3 > > Mounting attempts fail as well: > > # ifuse -d -u /mnt > Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device. > Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device. > > I did as instructed (repeated command, rebooted iPad), but no > success. > > It does not matter if /var/lib/lockdown is mode 777 or what > it initially was. It also does not matter if the commands are > being executed as root or as a normal user. > > > > I have also tried gtkpod, but it doesn't detect anything at > all. Manually configuring the iPad doesn't help, it does not > connect, and the error message ("unsupported checksum type") > doesn't help. > > > > I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able > to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with > their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why > the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: > > 1. I won't buy a Mac. > > 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". > > 3. I won't give out any personal identification information > to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". > > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. > > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. > > Honestly, what's the problem of not presenting the device as > a USB mass storage device? Even Android devices can do this > (with specific limitations)! Shouldn't the iPad be easier to > use, more advanced, more professionsl? ;-) > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 10:26:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38E9F04B1E for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [178.254.11.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 729A3711E1 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:25:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1emcrp-0007Gh-Sy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:03:45 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:03:45 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180216100345.GA25370@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:26:01 -0000 El día Friday, February 16, 2018 a las 10:47:03AM +0100, Polytropon escribió: > I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able > to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with > their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why > the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: > > 1. I won't buy a Mac. > > 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". > > 3. I won't give out any personal identification information > to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". > > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. > > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. My suggestion: Don't use an iPhone. Use an OpenSource mobile like UPports running Ubuntu, see https://forums.ubports.com/ , or Purism's librem-5, see https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-4/ I have the first one since 2015 (and you just SSH into it) and ordered the 2nd one too. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ 📱 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 10:34:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0553AF056E0 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BC8A71926 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:34:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MLTC2-1em57V1Ja6-000YQS; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:34:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:34:47 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216113447.75b94874.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180216100345.GA25370@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216100345.GA25370@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ARpMU31DY9P0nAYTBoywAJZmVddvrtAw9ECRNFzgZDZU9MQwKRU IZ07YwabaJWu5mhKo0mMveAby6r0sxhISowPjj9vAeN/VD5EB/1VUVuNoZpgKgEYXF46OXG u/nX9q3CTQeSLSt3Zu1efJq2Di/XQHkBmduz2G/LFiwy3zbuHGmM/RDUVJ3omibxZea+WAo NMTHJWM+5GyxCiVYAxdBA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:uMANzLqsLuE=:PznnMGIo0biYOsgVzdy34A RD1drwwp3UnC7iQ8TddnPP/SsK7H+BVq6U3D+QXAlHCu2IaoiOx4xlEwwYrCQxpfQe2E6rW2n pMwOx2blLr/ASFhcdzuRzU2eCOr2G3PiptdqthxAQ/NuvN6lpJQhGqM7vxp2GgusVU9GNE/ty XXjl0F2CQmaKPBvDlDJ0B4FVgJPjnmagHUW5c9z1nJQOmcQ0dy2C9viRhQHBxE9VgBWo/v5JT fF/bFa/2H9r6pLOoJc5UiFLEcWoDOt8qGHIRzmFOVgykDcnOJE8T8JO0ZQdGBX/J5+575A9JR E29wyofkA58pP9mfF5Wmp2ATiO4sc6vPDYFFz0XPKaFXJyHJSv2q68OtI+wMcV9CmAfsPcqyS xnzZXtw58MiRwBQff43LO51huCxmGhd+4HNoM0835bioW5kX42OOgd+0+sx5RILewmaTke0e1 UojrnJYyWspXyPfZKJjzycQLWsZiyLVpy/aFp/MsUOtcNJMokvfdutEL2k32Kz6LNzEltdKkY I8mdYZtd/n7OwnL8ZHy/uKWLBglg6SxmPdfq6tNrJQw2JsITc/dABk90JsUsdYRPYdn54bp07 nzHrKq6m4i0rcKoFxqPOBvuDjm9+Hcu+jpC3Rg54GqV0wSRjHKeE6EGvaoNBQCMBFLdT//ubJ DHN42pQwI0pQ7+mpuTTHo34yUXvoRe5vz1/X1IrYij0QHBx8BD8uqlti0fpsuLMzzZ4Qd6G33 FjbWMP2FgiwMOEvPbwfEytoZAt+1rQeb8Qx6cJgzpUoHvq7YPthEAl54yBQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:34:55 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:03:45 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Friday, February 16, 2018 a las 10:47:03AM +0100, Polytropon esc= ribi=F3: >=20 > > I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able > > to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with > > their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why > > the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: > >=20 > > 1. I won't buy a Mac. > >=20 > > 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". > >=20 > > 3. I won't give out any personal identification information > > to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". > >=20 > > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. > >=20 > > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. >=20 > My suggestion: >=20 > Don't use an iPhone. This is not an option as the iPad (!) does already exist and it has photos on it which should be transfered to a FreeBSD system. Being able to transfer files _to_ the device (like PDF files to read) would be a nice bonus, but for the current problem, this is out of scope. Sure, I know, I could e-mail 1 - 3 photos from the iPad to an account I can access with a normal computer (IMAP or POP3 using a MUA like Thunderbird, or plain old fetchmail), but due to the amount of images and the disability to send several hundred MB in one message, this just isn't feasable. > Use an OpenSource mobile like UPports running > Ubuntu, see https://forums.ubports.com/ , or Purism's librem-5, see > https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-4/ >=20 > I have the first one since 2015 (and you just SSH into it) and ordered > the 2nd one too. This is what I would _personally_ do (first think, then buy), but this doesn't change the problem at hand. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 10:38:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3F5F05BBB for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7570F71C8D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MceKO-1f4IoO2rAG-00HdJz; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:38:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:38:04 +0100 From: Polytropon To: krad Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/ed3P/Px8E0lvliuWCSMuDFG6fkDt+JN2LHdzut1Y5nV9Ng0iI4 MpM2jVdDzmSds7SEQn4FG9OcT5KkLMUTIbljk3/DMkMaB0wmP7CUuoMuXXE3C2WHxjRusiz LoaTIxLpTGAy3TEu91MAQn6a57iA64B47DjN3x3i1kPsRwfTBfYPZ13dcz62tRuf9n8aL9R BtoYkkuB8jYJysu506nNQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:WJRvJIxlhro=:ALuOeNSTX7UfLrib/fxBQY guYr3kVkkvwxMi0mocLIXcbOB3za9FlLqg1aq2UN2QPGVRni6i0LKY7DxiIcvAHj1AFICRaSL V1N6IsbaT1SSUe9bwyLDS6CsSknkFiGqYZIyPIhnC6H8mHbhhKdkU+g2bW3Lo4h5xeSILIQrq nORIwD+RnQlXCi5JmA8vf2XXxfAq8xcSjSiuCHFIdvjAkAiekCjBd0B7iW8dKiMT8wyIn+AeE ZWDigUAUhhjyIIBYvTVunRfl+Y3rLSrDSXXTXF8g5hIcaYgPO4+S9xa+pAAAGhd4mGUGPpOfq RD63UCrSOjUTXjDmiUgUI+kYN/HXG0xKKjCLwQUlPy1RClhJ6wXnUebJzhm/M0eX5LwbQvpFr UpbNyTp9GoSvU3kn/Fjkcd1unsYJ0NY2H81lapC2AHfLS13Y8opDmIsFpXVdkfVcMBc9arWsX MN/NzgQGBSPog2XEceDMeA08z4HM2X29btVaqeDmZZp/JnlgQrwqqV0MpwMybNOeC0gDTHEsP KWbcWQJ76ep/1x74slH0x9JmRW7phR9OA4CIQchE8NjstKIIKQQBS0EGKTUhI9nLrhiOszqpF 3GmTMhtUCybXHDwsIH3GTRjeZqhVh+84wZau1TbT3hQCBramuTZ/77HQ7Ick1NzOy5QiYSghg fdFLU3ezbWq3PEKXi3SpTgfu/PS4mwwkPDaOlkm/yJHCPKWji3xWWVInuCTraS5Mc3YuHJFRE 9gI9xElla5ZzHXmnrDtMsORhdeQz6Vdtf/GTBlPwFUE/fRvxy+5kVVVXYaU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:38:07 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:34 +0000, krad wrote: > if its just file why not use an sftp client on the tablet to push them to > freebsd? Assuming you have control of the tablet. You mean, across the Internet (or at least through WLAN)? Interesting approach. Still, I did hope that the USB cable could be used and control is exercised from a normal computer (the one running FreeBSD). I don't think installing 3rd party apps should be required just to get one's photos from the iPad to a PC (see notes regarding not buying a Mac and not buying a new PC and licensing a "Windows")... I don't have much experience with iPads so I wouldn't even know what to install, or how. It's not as easy as using "adb install appname-apk" on Android. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 10:41:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE165F061D1 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antranig@vartanian.am) Received: from mail-lf0-x235.google.com (mail-lf0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BA2071F86 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antranig@vartanian.am) Received: by mail-lf0-x235.google.com with SMTP id q69so3423307lfi.10 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:41:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vartanian-am.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:subject:to:references:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4C6UhF+Pz4nz0RNaEHbKj/3ifPQMfD0JUkXxURlwy/A=; b=zQykZclY/FuVbOyVaeF2M5ifUwFhjZrLVkGlgIX2ivWK6YXEGTJ0SXQEUrREJghTrz +dY+p4rf5gNojY/LdmU7WcqMJAbdtgE53CRlFhyRey+MkQ/O+RyMNHg8fYy3I6mlpU7K LpJKsSv39b2dcHXChuP3T+qI/sPsALfHaMjUKyvJwtF/Xasb41lPJRmFwVi4m2cWGRTD GU519yyfLsRkJulMa6sr699Q9UfZNq2POG7z4RtYVlM5vYT9rvbRx1Yq22gUn51qnY5n irwLc/L4d6wlMW3KnTsawi3usJAoLuDFhwPqneFWX2kwPD+5iMklUzEZhAlQnBaaDtqb N4kQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4C6UhF+Pz4nz0RNaEHbKj/3ifPQMfD0JUkXxURlwy/A=; b=io4f+jqlawPhI6T45UbksAv+XstUaizrt3LCAmHVgdsZ0qg2yZyJiF2gAjVxg+rgzx +o6Mtbe4tyQO0T59o2PP1Ca5FdxE5o/k1zFrPnKxytP+DQpcbHE46+L01p44ULFqT5we xkJJ5hlzJFPFDgqrHu/L/o5zybxDkyAVisWFoxA+Q3NTLM6E/gVdc7h3dwcfVOn0wm1N 1kRqm25CSVD1V2HoM/CmlyEYwTmyKu6383jVJh1WM3SlkkUjY5a7xcPsnUhzspQsX+In NU50+6v6G6jES+O4WjNjoQLHeY6Il4uJ/hqxhdWxW9xNloUpeP1SUeXxY/ocZx65KNZ1 QHPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPArWSznKlf4A25z7V2yKlSr9rUZRhl7Bc0LUr7SjLiXRlKSl/lL RS02tcXedlfltLtQQ7FDxrTQmEAy28Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225ACZ+phNXHeC/DGPih+rxm/Ap07mWB+Xsd9yddKETz7f+C7EkNAtNKzC8cxto0O2+N5wWIjA== X-Received: by 10.46.83.2 with SMTP id h2mr1045763ljb.54.1518777693223; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zvartnots.loc ([212.42.192.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l77sm3431052lfl.56.2018.02.16.02.41.32 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: antranigv X-Google-Original-From: antranigv Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <07005a4b-2fb6-878c-63d2-fef2ae9ae8c4@evnbug.org> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:41:31 +0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:41:37 -0000 wondering, is there an NFS or Samba/SMB client for iOS? what if you just transfer it using the network? antranigv https://antranigv.am/ | PGP Key ID : 0xDAB81456 /* do one thing and do it well */ On 02/16/2018 13:47, Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > > Attaching the iPad shows ipheth0 and ue0 devices. > > I have installed the imobiledevice and fusefs-ifuse packages > via pkg. > > With the command > > # idevice pair > > execute twice (with confirming the trust dialog on the iPad) > I got the system to print the iPad's device ID. But any of > the other idevice* commands just leads to an error: > > # ideviceinfo > ERROR: Could not connect to lockdownd, error code -3 > > Mounting attempts fail as well: > > # ifuse -d -u /mnt > Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device. > Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device. > > I did as instructed (repeated command, rebooted iPad), but no > success. > > It does not matter if /var/lib/lockdown is mode 777 or what > it initially was. It also does not matter if the commands are > being executed as root or as a normal user. > > > > I have also tried gtkpod, but it doesn't detect anything at > all. Manually configuring the iPad doesn't help, it does not > connect, and the error message ("unsupported checksum type") > doesn't help. > > > > I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able > to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with > their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why > the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: > > 1. I won't buy a Mac. > > 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". > > 3. I won't give out any personal identification information > to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". > > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. > > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. > > Honestly, what's the problem of not presenting the device as > a USB mass storage device? Even Android devices can do this > (with specific limitations)! Shouldn't the iPad be easier to > use, more advanced, more professionsl? ;-) > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 10:56:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DBEF073C0 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B81C972AEA for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MHKKd-1ezVzX0TeF-00E9E4; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:39 +0100 From: Polytropon To: antranigv Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216115639.f5f7ec4e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <07005a4b-2fb6-878c-63d2-fef2ae9ae8c4@evnbug.org> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <07005a4b-2fb6-878c-63d2-fef2ae9ae8c4@evnbug.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:QNd52KpY+3mKYMSSmFV3uXsTL8XqUAeH/zSnpb6xqQzNxi241M0 52JTBXIHw8XUAfxWWGqq4xmHsu/2alLzqxuj8AfQPjE+AkIBsXaoFVvaLiQepLvm6vAS5zA 2Clmnw3FJmATuVMp4vDhL1xvJQ4643KIfS6QjtihBMGnhP21T5t3/pv+napYHtC/3Q6yx4a 3LGHR8sUzfXOIVRdKbBJg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:OZWuLXoI6d0=:nQ17v16Iflmo4KELc/FI6k MIT0ekd4vQYlh/iuljtJS7hhxJvn9CgVqyRINAlvhzfGJZVr0IuH4SeKY3L48coL1VPEIloje MfR8Gsc32kw+oZ7+eA3R694tgBelVqbGFiZRNrxCzRqtE40MyTaRZF9MPzvnJDBl4xn5F/rD6 8C3zDhzYZTgJdrQUL/bLXBjkU0ux90zwvvgDeJ2gq5B7eMKZAKQUruT3oCIRU9g0zGj48w5E4 lkrofqdSNRaLXdWfk81maabH9WKGsxnAUGUyiJXYDDWd8vNYXf+sxorbBwmvtRJuX9NQThl5G tHeaSYAoy1rjJiKSOzy/HxUD/Jtl0y87z0DR5IV9s0HJr3oWml6klMFscocivH+PIuUpQwZTf cPgrcPVsj4oeCY00entaB1AIWY51FzOTf95SIYankeVAe3GkzPGRyMTThrjolNDSwo6PTWEO7 B+OsIDtRIBIXbefkt4NeuXcBW06Y96Ht05ChcSI6GGrpoN/eHoR7HQMXMbbWqdKwjIkqR3I49 +m8NRJ9omHC76axa/USPKnACOUckgNDqGU/4m5C4z0C9y6rJcGXuS7CXdox7gDTwiuSeC4fN8 z8qBxqPYMPgjb9j2IgsSF1lFv4b6nQysJn6X/57Qo29zX0DZaLNnQoWeE9ZY6lhqyJv6J2WdQ UUlzoYZLxCtc4dakju48eT7KmtZouunfWO6TpBO+3zxLJRxULRBiqfG8vaQOD6YGF2xILGGIP Z09NnVpSFB7FRxY671vr38PMuNWgdEku8Ct2jxQWE4Oa4AbsSN4fDX5gKGw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:56:49 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:41:31 +0400, antranigv wrote: > wondering, > > is there an NFS or Samba/SMB client for iOS? what if you just transfer > it using the network? There is no way I can connect to the ue0 device. Also, accessing the network (for example via NFS or even using plain old FTP) is not supported natively by iOS, which implies that searching and installing a 3rd party app is required. This sounds very complicated. Basically, I read that people using Linux got it working. I have the most recent software on my FreeBSD machine, so I _assume_ that it should be possible there as well. However, I also read that there have been problems after iOS updates and others related to OpenSSL / GnuTLS, which again should not be a problem anymore as those discussions happened years ago. Still - no solution... Can it be that hard?! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 11:00:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F06F077A3 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=0x+x=fk=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842CE72C63 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=0x+x=fk=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zjVXn2ZNyz2fjSX; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 03:00:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 03:00:09 -0800 Cc: krad , FreeBSD Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:00:16 -0000 > On 16 February 2018, at 02:38, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:34 +0000, krad wrote: >> if its just file why not use an sftp client on the tablet to push = them to >> freebsd? Assuming you have control of the tablet. >=20 > You mean, across the Internet (or at least through WLAN)? > Interesting approach. Still, I did hope that the USB cable > could be used and control is exercised from a normal computer > (the one running FreeBSD). I don't think installing 3rd party > apps should be required just to get one's photos from the > iPad to a PC (see notes regarding not buying a Mac and not > buying a new PC and licensing a "Windows")... >=20 > I don't have much experience with iPads so I wouldn't even > know what to install, or how. It's not as easy as using > "adb install appname-apk" on Android. ;-) Installing an app in a iPad is quite easy. Use the App Store app and = search for what you want. However, you do have to be registered with an = apple id. I have tried to do what you need for a long time. The obvious = approaches are not supported. Connecting via USB to a Mac gives you = several options. The best is Image Transfer app on the Mac. However, = there is yet another way: Setup a dropbox account and you can easily = transfer the images through it to any computer that supports drop box. = I had to go this way for one client. It's not speedy, but it works. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 11:36:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE3BF0AB29 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1FC974B14 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:36:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M7hEO-1eZGGm1F2W-00vOG9 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:36:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:36:40 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Questions Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:JdFEXcQx3GMoIdNMS79L/DBHZEDqh3Zrclib3aNLZoyle/eE5+h 7tkjZOp54JpMSHFYSe1XYA5gJIphqekN0KjWRSroqIXTtV/sLmT8BZrLgENKiS5f4WYH+hE f7jewwyCh/g4M5Ubvx277Rvr9ExZE+vE5uUqrVgMbmolT7QAdK0qguDojw66Y+LhH/byYZ+ yKUibteNz7znpyQQt2wtw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8VOlN7KkOB8=:J6jgfZk+F+y+QkA/h6bpj2 0LOCAmwYUO1Z89xITbdkMD9CxV9c7lH1YeydOcoQPRzGLLN9IGASs0nrURCMFccbO/fQSWeGZ Kql6MhF9v4hFOcWkXjVhd/iye+0Td7Fk3zO3Nq2QwhU/p5M682hEFYcoSNoZYnLlu1+P3UNWs DkANugzb/9B9ZkRDOAkztEZQ490dFZta1ENSuhR5y4/XaiHwp9vFChvP28IWcH6i09c7cyXlc tE2gMQNz9I+dF7tnIuOjcenmDQ6Z+ycYFVzzBgF3ns3e7R+g5XJuWAhBiWoYhzIo2Y3ZVtxdE s4bG+ThjI4Qr4aQDK2s3c6moLyW+rrxWtGfk+Mes0L2+n4OL5lSBi3otdcTlLXW400eEopca0 GL4H1vV2q6IhKYVT13Ocz45fm2wLDamrl8OLz2+6FGzv+XHpKKHHKynjz9ZKooxojxBUv/GGP 51/+z8cg8z80cAKxZpRBSGPV8LFWMxWolJgMm8e29K/Mz9rTKi0teidZkb3B3YhcjUlChzHtR gBDRWtqF7tFL/0WNxjIAyYTxg+b6V0qzQJEUn4wIgYLng6dG17TZSj/W4EMNgTyKdhV8x6HTF yhNf/2T1LUBFHadTWbyWe/anoEgJ5/dBmTIZplxI2phn1jw1Jh9nysCe1cp59vSZRjZ304Vej NfAFkHSA3mbfO2tqWvqCNwXrSZGmdk+8NjLM/9jXuM3o0gssLGSjT1EcRGV2jBXiwO08MmjMh A5Ihzwpjp65LIztB6e56TbGuPVOtTTWUUN2pnv9bBeOTxZju6ieyYFVbngY= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:36:42 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 03:00:09 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: > > > On 16 February 2018, at 02:38, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:23:34 +0000, krad wrote: > >> if its just file why not use an sftp client on the tablet to push them to > >> freebsd? Assuming you have control of the tablet. > > > > You mean, across the Internet (or at least through WLAN)? > > Interesting approach. Still, I did hope that the USB cable > > could be used and control is exercised from a normal computer > > (the one running FreeBSD). I don't think installing 3rd party > > apps should be required just to get one's photos from the > > iPad to a PC (see notes regarding not buying a Mac and not > > buying a new PC and licensing a "Windows")... > > > > I don't have much experience with iPads so I wouldn't even > > know what to install, or how. It's not as easy as using > > "adb install appname-apk" on Android. ;-) > > Installing an app in a iPad is quite easy. Use the App Store > app and search for what you want. However, you do have to be > registered with an apple id. That is the problem: registration. I do not own the iPad. The few mobile devices I have are not connected to me with personal identification data. I avoid companies that want my name, address, bank information or phone number. And just for transfering fotos, that's too much to ask for. :-) However, I will check (next week) if the iPad has been registered, and how the "purchasing" of apps from the App Store is to be performed. The upcoming problem I see is that... I don't know! Can a FTP or NFS client on the iPad access the fotos taken by the camera? "App sandboxing" and "use only with app"? Hmmm... > I have tried to do what you need for a long time. The obvious > approaches are not supported. Connecting via USB to a Mac gives > you several options. The best is Image Transfer app on the Mac. I do not have trusted access to a Mac. > However, there is yet another way: Setup a dropbox account and > you can easily transfer the images through it to any computer > that supports drop box. I had to go this way for one client. This is also a problem. I do not trust Dropbox with personal identification data, nor do I trust Dropbox with the images I want to transer. > It's not speedy, but it works. Speed doesn't even matter. An easy solution within a trusted WLAN would not be a problem, even if transfering the images should take a few hours. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 11:56:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11447F0C414 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 886107595E for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1518782214; x=1521374214; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=uRcJhC/7/8uoUP7qn1IiiRS9BTltGHYCNlGX2wbxBrc=; b=OPO/qp3pyYlkPseFa6SqbpuYm91ynykBZkfgyhBI1h0oD3LKsNiKqZ0CfIYGxGaYGdvwUKEeZLGXxt9c7AByQ6pSM0+SFqAdyZq3mf5Lik4AxJM9AXKWUf9+73bj+6UgDHIppxeLb+hsy/ZV9WFk4t+LNmxbkO1L0mROMgHiTc8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45MDAwMDAwMDE0ZDAwMS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.86.145.87]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:56:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:56:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1emed1-0000ey-8n; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:35 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216115635.73fcdb3df7e5dc0653974f79@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:53 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:47:03 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. Never tried it, but you could try photobackup which is free in the app store, it uses rsync to back up the camera roll - there are a couple of iPhone addicts in the house who use it to back up their photos to the house NAS where a cron job links them into to directories by year and month. The Android users use acrosync for the same purpose. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 12:52:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02214F10FED for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FCAE7820E for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518785516; bh=q5UMvSpQ1RtZNAdoWgoo5BdKsKyrEwAceCANivrcslk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=LjhZT5J8JhUZk2KAMN9GDPd4/6BV03wSZ20pw/LPYymSAg7NgbIhniY0WdVhRwPZ4 FS+VuLCgIFFgY4ch204lPqcsW3Jz7USufsq+SyDiFgIENNobfEd03GzHuelQUI40OZ WW4ZBL7X/9CMKPz+wHUn0ZU5nVZfW9QczWq3SBQA= Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:51:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:52:06 -0000 On 02/16/18 10:47, Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > Hi, I got curious when I read this and tried myself on a fairly recent 11-STABLE amd64 system. I can report that I successfully have accessed an iPhone 5SE and is able to transfer images from it. This was done with fusefs-ifuse and libimobiledevice. idevicepair pair (with screen unlocked) kldload fuse ifuse -d -u <40 digit id> /mnt Don't know what is different with your system though, but at least there is proof that it *can* work. Cheers, //per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 13:52:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794CAF15909 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 180D97A920 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAB062544 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D7wxoa00e2Ua for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD7DE8A34F for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6756962544 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V5b0K1LKb6Yk for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89CB162543 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:43 -0500 Subject: Administrative email from FreeBSD jails From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:52:58 -0000 I have the relocated WebDAV site running in a jail on FreeBSD-11.1. The question I now have what is the simplest method to redirect all email generated in the jail to our smart hub. I am conversant with doing this using Postfix but that seems a bit of a heavyweight solution in this instance. Is the any simpler software package that can forward all application and system generated email from a jail to an external hub? How do other people handle this requirement in their jails? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 14:31:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E9BF18BD2 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [IPv6:2607:5600:bd::1:1000]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558287C53D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@gregv.net) Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1127A61FBF; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:31:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:31:20 -0500 From: Greg Veldman To: antranigv , Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180216143120.GM72092@aurora.gregv.net> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <07005a4b-2fb6-878c-63d2-fef2ae9ae8c4@evnbug.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <07005a4b-2fb6-878c-63d2-fef2ae9ae8c4@evnbug.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:31:21 -0000 On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:41:31PM +0400, antranigv wrote: > wondering, > > is there an NFS or Samba/SMB client for iOS? what if you just transfer > it using the network? I use FileExplorer for this purpose. There is a free version and one that costs a couple of bucks, the main difference is the free one only supports one server connection (which should be sufficient for the use case at hand). It can speak SMB and FTP directly to your FreeBSD host, and can access the photos on the device if you grant it appropriate perms to do so. Of course the device still needs to be sufficiently registered to be able to install apps from the store, which may or may not help you, Polytropon. -- Greg Veldman greg@gregv.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 14:34:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15408F19022 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B20287C9D4 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:34:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57956255A; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DD9IOXYI8o-7; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 143EA6254C; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:36 -0500 Message-ID: <93d4d0a36d76f54902d7f2c4bc2b096d.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:36 -0500 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Polytropon" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:34:40 -0000 On Fri, February 16, 2018 04:47, Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > I have successfully moved images from an iPhone running IOS 11.x to A FreeBSD-11 host using gphoto. That is as close as I can come to your requirements. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 14:40:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E693FF199B0 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 809477CF4B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ADA62543 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kPIYyFNcCI1B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676E68A3FF; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA26762543; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qrGx7x37YCi; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:27 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: delayed 1907 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:25 EST Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-186.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dweimer.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.dweimer.net (opnsense.dweimer.local [10.9.5.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w1GE8T1l006129 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:08:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=dweimer.net; s=2017.01.31; t=1518790109; bh=2/dxPnfbQsneDa9YyrYam2EgSOJdF0+txv8rGWPOerI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Reply-To:In-Reply-To:References; b=RZAv34udezPWmBn0/SY/EfgykcFJvuFoCKMgy/+RqOkzJIX74YLjWpVh7u1t/jlCF HMxEnRp6J2ED7rMtGjN3dzpVmwiQS6ZEw8kA+tM5OpYjZl8vW4jNlymTwPVJ39Bi1D SRZUPmHNV6UWkqR8pWCbmm7O04OtDBjZnPFbhJ3bd3cfEZ30ExtZqDHJlerqzh/U5m 2H+xymwh/xHs/dn09efB1TS528MFE2o6/5JgPNR/MgblHRvQkvyAq+r1qXOWwLhi8b SwhVwBm1Goo0OHdAfmMUPmlZdV+YNhDdB4gr/bB3vXHVNr9QDaztsmN5euQ4VZ8Gx8 Uhy9c1TeIsoaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:08:23 -0600 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Administrative email from FreeBSD jails Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Message-ID: <09f70d8be56b28d756c5d1412f2e033d@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:40:40 -0000 On 2018-02-16 7:52 am, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I have the relocated WebDAV site running in a jail on FreeBSD-11.1. > The question I now have what is the simplest method to redirect all > email generated in the jail to our smart hub. I am conversant with > doing this using Postfix but that seems a bit of a heavyweight > solution in this instance. > > Is the any simpler software package that can forward all application > and system generated email from a jail to an external hub? > > How do other people handle this requirement in their jails? > I just use the mailertable feature of sendmail. Edit the contents of /etc/mail/mailertable To do all mail put a single line in it. . smtp:[yourmail.server.net] Then run make && make restart from the /etc/mail directory, Sendmail will then forward all mail to the mail server specified. You can also add secondary server using a : as a separator. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 14:52:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAE4F1AB9F for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (mail.dpedia.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 747C57DB6C for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.127.249] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1emfwz-0001sR-7R for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:21:17 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id w1GDLDMf002603 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:21:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id w1GDLCco002602 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:21:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:21:11 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180216132111.GA2570@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216100345.GA25370@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180216113447.75b94874.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180216113447.75b94874.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.127.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:52:40 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El d=C3=ADa viernes, febrero 16, 2018 a las 11:34:47a. m. +0100, Polytropon= escribi=C3=B3: > This is not an option as the iPad (!) does already exist and UBports (Ubuntu Touch) runs on the tablet BQ M10 and on the mobile phones BQ E4.5, E5 and other devices. Sorry that I have mixed iPad and iPhone.=20 matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub Thanks to the Soviet Army for the Victory in Stalingrad! -- =D0=9F=D0=BE=D0= =B1=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0 =D0=B2 =D0=A1=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B3=D1= =80=D0=B0=D0=B4=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B9 =D0=B1=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5! --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlqG2sQACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRG2qg/+Njwmre4sJzaUnMcfx7UElqFiwuuNE36+CVtUC7kP6mkawqpnp4P16rwk H7YjciLBJcThG7OO5VriqpEF1zeBiO/a0I6P0yft7AV8DIoe12QYjigCHlKySm35 dxKV6yojlRxq4InIhxk2JfOc3FV4mxKz0uM40K1wIXIrReBX2YpEN3JKefq1Ly8G LNnor6ypUu99C+A59iOD5BXrgMEaenxC4yESyKx6a/KqdkJA0Y4S+tgeQbFvLsFN /6/U6tYy6xlLLKg2oZBO31FP3Nl2TqhWyjfCuwTWP6zKiztNvlOhhbJ1cRKhCg4i ziiCxazuGJ3quwx+/2LLt/Np7E47WKHWAFsGhHvgeE81cijBz73PY+A0cubLKx+H J1bO0v7oP7UyHXwC9R+l98ywVbdbrp8xKZEmy21FmxdgSsCJsfbQ2pBBXcJYpR8S rtaa4HIGDwln7IFtPzgMBb3qctoPrpoS/qb1YaS3JdyzurBWZD3AWYV5fkD1vLzJ QBML1pS4SMF6C+Uq7K6gT0rMw1reTPfSCdxAfAbPM6gpL+/idq0Kb2S8fhwR6CXm jw4P5HcD2QuaLjvCb2gVAfFhc6eVYMi/MhH4C1KZQiFcqYks8SFAr2CNLdOemjoc 7FzWe1/zafr7wL/ZgOucu+xPCFT6Jp2lWr4AiTojxEWFlb6o/mc= =b49F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 15:40:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30183F1EA18 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp207.alice.it (smtp207.alice.it [82.57.200.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BC680574 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (87.18.51.42) by smtp207.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 5A7AC03F04195098; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:47 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1GFekuP094587; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: freebsd@edvax.de References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:40:56 -0000 On 02/16/18 12:36, Polytropon wrote: > Speed doesn't even matter. An easy solution within a trusted > WLAN would not be a problem, even if transfering the images > should take a few hours. Can BlueTooth be an option then? I "share" pictures from an Android phone to a FreeBSD machine running comms/obexapp. Probably an iCrap can do the same. HTH. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 15:48:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC370F1F92C for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86E1A8201D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w1GFmeuE037211 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:48:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: Andrea Venturoli , freebsd@edvax.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <3f6175bd-0d2b-0e64-a357-05827357167e@tundraware.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:48:35 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:48:40 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: w1GFmeuE037211 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.898, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.11, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.01) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:48:56 -0000 On 02/16/2018 09:40 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 02/16/18 12:36, Polytropon wrote: > >> Speed doesn't even matter. An easy solution within a trusted >> WLAN would not be a problem, even if transfering the images >> should take a few hours. > > Can BlueTooth be an option then? > > I "share" pictures from an Android phone to a FreeBSD machine running comms/obexapp. Probably an iCrap can do the same. > > HTH. > >  bye >     av. Drobox -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 16:27:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016D9F226AC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E3E83E2B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8423F6254C for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xn-sTWjoaR8f for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A13D8A47D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2136254C for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XkUBWGvQrtIS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:42 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: delayed 1408 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:42 EST Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683F0718043; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:54:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Administrative email from FreeBSD jails To: dweimer@dweimer.net, byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <09f70d8be56b28d756c5d1412f2e033d@dweimer.net> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:54:13 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <09f70d8be56b28d756c5d1412f2e033d@dweimer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:27:12 -0000 On 02/16/18 08:08, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > On 2018-02-16 7:52 am, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> I have the relocated WebDAV site running in a jail on FreeBSD-11.1. >> The question I now have what is the simplest method to redirect all >> email generated in the jail to our smart hub.  I am conversant with >> doing this using Postfix but that seems a bit of a heavyweight >> solution in this instance. >> >> Is the any simpler software package that can forward all application >> and system generated email from a jail to an external hub? >> >> How do other people handle this requirement in their jails? >> > > I just use the mailertable feature of sendmail. > > Edit the contents of /etc/mail/mailertable > > To do all mail put a single line in it. > > .       smtp:[yourmail.server.net] > > > Then run make && make restart from the /etc/mail directory, Sendmail > will then forward all mail to the mail server specified. You can also > add secondary server using a : as a separator. As I replace sendmail with postfix since forever... I just have jails built so that sendmail is disabled in them, and if I have anything inside jail that only is capable to localhost as smtp setver, then I run postfix instance inside such jail. Similarly to what Dean does: running smtp server inside particular jail, only using postfix instead of sendmail. I do like in that case to have postfix listen to localhost inet interface only. I don't know if that is started by ezjail script, but in jails I build - by the book - I have to configure local inet interface in particular jail configuration, then postfix does have local interface to listen to, otherwise it will not start. Good luck! Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 16:40:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44279F237B7 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AE784819 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C536B718043; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:40:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:40:18 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:20 -0000 On 02/16/18 03:47, Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > > Attaching the iPad shows ipheth0 and ue0 devices. > > I have installed the imobiledevice and fusefs-ifuse packages > via pkg. > > With the command > > # idevice pair > > execute twice (with confirming the trust dialog on the iPad) > I got the system to print the iPad's device ID. But any of > the other idevice* commands just leads to an error: > > # ideviceinfo > ERROR: Could not connect to lockdownd, error code -3 > > Mounting attempts fail as well: > > # ifuse -d -u /mnt > Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device. > Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device. > > I did as instructed (repeated command, rebooted iPad), but no > success. > > It does not matter if /var/lib/lockdown is mode 777 or what > it initially was. It also does not matter if the commands are > being executed as root or as a normal user. > > > > I have also tried gtkpod, but it doesn't detect anything at > all. Manually configuring the iPad doesn't help, it does not > connect, and the error message ("unsupported checksum type") > doesn't help. > > > > I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able > to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with > their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why > the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: > > 1. I won't buy a Mac. > > 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". > > 3. I won't give out any personal identification information > to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". > > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. > > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. I have 100% sympathy to all requirements above. However, withing these constraints it probably isn't possible, except for sending stuff to email address. The reasons are (as far as I know them): 1. you on iOS device are in jail. Therefore you have no access to filesystem, except the way Apple gave you 2. Exporting filesystem over USB is something that Apple does its best to not allow. They do their best to make it so that only iTunes is capable to talk to iOS device connected via USB. All reports of people able to access filesystem of iOS device are considered security breaches by Apple, which they "fix" as soon as the can 3. Accessing filesystem of iOS device connected via USB is how these iOS devices are jailbroken. The last is violation of agreement with Apple you sign when you first touch the darn device 4. Any application - free or not - can only be installed on iOS devices through "Application store" owned by Apple - to use which you have to have Apple account, and disclose to them your information. At some point they were as nasty as requiring to have your valid, verified by them to work credit card number, even if you only install free applications. I do not know if they became less nasty. My workaround was: my credit card company allows me to create "virtual accounts", I was giving Apple that one, and after that I immeditely closed that virtual account. Taking into consideration all above, one option is emailing stuff to yourself. You can set up your own mail server accepting huge messages, and listening to your home network only, and make that iOS device on the same home network, and send huge e-mails with very many photos in each. Another option somewhat violating your requirements is to install open source equivalent of "dropbox" on your machine: I use owncloud, which I set up for the Department some 3 or so years ago. Then you will have to use apple store once, and buy for $0.99 mobile owncloud client. Mind though that you need decently new version of iOS, owncloud client coming through apple store will refuse to work with older versions of iOS. Almost all applications coming through apple store will refuse to install on older version of iOS. Thus, iOS devices are planfully (painfully for us, stupid, who paid for them) obsoleted by Apple: they do not let you upgrade to latest iOS rather old devices. Once you acquire iOS device discarded by someone else, to take it into your possession you have to reinstall iOS (and present your valid appleID at first boot). But after that you will not be able to install pretty much none of applications through apple store, as apple controls that apple store, and almost all applications will refuse to install on older system. There you have it. Trash your [cr]Apple gadget. And now that you became cleverer - which resembles less that 5% of people on my observation - you hopefully will not buy anything from this vendor, not from Microsoft either, and hopefully not one of "googloids" (Androids). Which leaves you with almost only - great though - choice that Matthias told about: Purism smartphone, or laptop... Which will be my choice as soon as I have to discard one of my current devices. Valeri > > Honestly, what's the problem of not presenting the device as > a USB mass storage device? Even Android devices can do this > (with specific limitations)! Shouldn't the iPad be easier to > use, more advanced, more professionsl? ;-) > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 17:13:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3463DF00F9A for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9E93868AA for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949EB62509 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id au4DiC6lOeRc for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9C5C8A4AA; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A153562509; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3_O0T7od6bW; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: delayed 411 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:13 EST Received: from mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (mx1.enfer-du-nord.net [91.121.41.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [IPv6:2003:e9:7f01:d701:9597:eb60:c6e0:1885] (p200300E97F01D7019597EB60C6E01885.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:e9:7f01:d701:9597:eb60:c6e0:1885]) by mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zjfgC2PNdz5ZB; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:06:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.3 at mail.enfer-du-nord.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: Administrative email from FreeBSD jails From: Michael Grimm X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:06:13 +0100 Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:13:19 -0000 James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions = wrote: > Is the any simpler software package that can forward all application > and system generated email from a jail to an external hub? >=20 > How do other people handle this requirement in their jails? I did substitute sendmail by DragonFly Mail Agent in mail/dma some time = ago. It runs at the host and in all those jails not running postfix. = Easy setup [1], fine replacement of sendmail. [1] in my case it's a two line config (your milage my vary) with = 10.1.2.3 running my postfix MTA: # Your smarthost (also called relayhost). SMARTHOST 10.1.2.3 # The internet hostname dma uses to identify the host. MAILNAME kaan-bock.net Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 18:35:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEB3F06D31 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55C616A9EB for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1518806099; bh=6YeAopt8x9fwaNTzhXIOCUJZBmkQrsfEol/nddfrCvo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=BAFCId8vt2ga1k1NyQv0OX6SxvVq/wvzq0nMEiFv//DRvStXY3jcU+ATWGF7PpgTX buinXTc6E/LWkFOmQ3kS9PsiGfvwU23ZTYsiqBdVlvrcvSO3KZFEg18b7c8go3+ib1 NQHU2+UKd4agpaFtRbciaHHjFjFskZ6YjFkChkQo= Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: Valeri Galtsev , Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: <1a5b3e68-fadc-017a-b565-b8ea8d8f89e6@nethead.se> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:34:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:35:04 -0000 On 02/16/18 17:40, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 02/16/18 03:47, Polytropon wrote: >> Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ >> a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this >> should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an >> iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. >> >> Attaching the iPad shows ipheth0 and ue0 devices. >> >> I have installed the imobiledevice and fusefs-ifuse packages >> via pkg. >> >> With the command >> >>     # idevice pair >> >> execute twice (with confirming the trust dialog on the iPad) >> I got the system to print the iPad's device ID. But any of >> the other idevice* commands just leads to an error: >> >>     # ideviceinfo >>     ERROR: Could not connect to lockdownd, error code -3 >> >> Mounting attempts fail as well: >> >>     # ifuse -d -u /mnt >>     Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device. >>     Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device. >> >> I did as instructed (repeated command, rebooted iPad), but no >> success. >> >> It does not matter if /var/lib/lockdown is mode 777 or what >> it initially was. It also does not matter if the commands are >> being executed as root or as a normal user. >> >> >> >> I have also tried gtkpod, but it doesn't detect anything at >> all. Manually configuring the iPad doesn't help, it does not >> connect, and the error message ("unsupported checksum type") >> doesn't help. >> >> >> >> I also fully understand that Apple doesn't want me to be able >> to easily transfer files from (or to) the iPad except with >> their tools, but I don't care what Apple wants. That's why >> the "recommended solutions" don't work for me because: >> >> 1. I won't buy a Mac. >> >> 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". >> >> 3. I won't give out any personal identification information >>     to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". >> >> 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. >> >> So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. > > I have 100% sympathy to all requirements above. However, withing these > constraints it probably isn't possible, except for sending stuff to > email address. The reasons are (as far as I know them): > > 1. you on iOS device are in jail. Therefore you have no access to > filesystem, except the way Apple gave you > > 2. Exporting filesystem over USB is something that Apple does its best > to not allow. They do their best to make it so that only iTunes is > capable to talk to iOS device connected via USB. All reports of people > able to access filesystem of iOS device are considered security breaches > by Apple, which they "fix" as soon as the can > > 3. Accessing filesystem of iOS device connected via USB is how these iOS > devices are jailbroken. The last is violation of agreement with Apple > you sign when you first touch the darn device > > 4. Any application - free or not - can only be installed on iOS devices > through "Application store" owned by Apple - to use which you have to > have Apple account, and disclose to them your information. At some point > they were as nasty as requiring to have your valid, verified by them to > work credit card number, even if you only install free applications. I > do not know if they became less nasty. My workaround was: my credit card > company allows me to create "virtual accounts", I was giving Apple that > one, and after that I immeditely closed that virtual account. > > > Taking into consideration all above, one option is emailing stuff to > yourself. You can set up your own mail server accepting huge messages, > and listening to your home network only, and make that iOS device on the > same home network, and send huge e-mails with very many photos in each. > Another option somewhat violating your requirements is to install open > source equivalent of "dropbox" on your machine: I use owncloud, which I > set up for the Department some 3 or so years ago. Then you will have to > use apple store once, and buy for $0.99 mobile owncloud client. Mind > though that you need decently new version of iOS, owncloud client coming > through apple store will refuse to work with older versions of iOS. > >   > Almost all applications coming through apple store will refuse to > install on older version of iOS. Thus, iOS devices are planfully > (painfully for us, stupid, who paid for them) obsoleted by Apple: they > do not let you upgrade to latest iOS rather old devices. Once you > acquire iOS device discarded by someone else, to take it into your > possession you have to reinstall iOS (and present your valid appleID at > first boot). But after that you will not be able to install pretty much > none of applications through apple store, as apple controls that apple > store, and almost all applications will refuse to install on older > system. There you have it. Trash your [cr]Apple gadget. And now that you > became cleverer - which resembles less that 5% of people on my > observation - you hopefully will not buy anything from this vendor, not > from Microsoft either, and hopefully not one of "googloids" (Androids). > Which leaves you with almost only - great though - choice that Matthias > told about: Purism smartphone, or laptop... Which will be my choice as > soon as I have to discard one of my current devices. > > > Valeri > >> >> Honestly, what's the problem of not presenting the device as >> a USB mass storage device? Even Android devices can do this >> (with specific limitations)! Shouldn't the iPad be easier to >> use, more advanced, more professionsl? ;-) I disagree that it is "impossible" or "very difficult" to access an iOS device over USB, as I wrote earlier today, and that phone is not jailbroken, it is very standard iPhone version 10 something. I also believe that Apple does all the above not only to make our lives difficult, for a "normal" user things does in fact work pretty well, but as you and others mentioned, it means that your are giving them access to a lot of personal info. This is a choice I suppose we all have to make today. 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Best regards. kamal M/S TOSHIN ENTERPRISE Cal:+8801815400289 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 20:45:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D73F10974 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:45:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB6F1715D3 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MeBmY-1f9ILO3bSQ-00PwMe; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:44:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:44:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216214448.d638d2b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180216115635.73fcdb3df7e5dc0653974f79@sohara.org> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216115635.73fcdb3df7e5dc0653974f79@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:PTLxcD5jFG/T0XTTcs2Opa35dp6qSqq1HDfmlbyyOcsnU0TWesU AXUSNGGGn7bA0l7P8iG5BMDno+JERvzm3P/9kWMws9+tCnwm6yONIM8MXL79Q5/spShN1L3 IGT3+rgRWFo5ubrPCXv9flA/ZxVkdR+C3GnFNlvOVMbQzoTlM5LGy0Mf/cB8RwS7LAKTVsi xHX6hA/no+hSUUd8fMErg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:or+CDcGqUmc=:l8QqpcCn75GrgEekvNoj8p gPKdsDyUPysw1SxW9PVbepWh0D8tn2LoGAUqp1qJr1xJZoV+lfbh+xXTIiCPXiM7ND2cP1OiY HbnK1mr/NYPytbn5TkK2EIrBnsd8k3kfZ9jcYRhITG+Ut/yRnQrKkI92l8M8SovSSgS49hE8M 80YqmPlmvMg7Mrtlck/sVi0f5zOtmuU7Y0KPI4AhyvsPTem3w1j4QMtnJ1gilBXqZHZ9UyDtX p4mFKfZgz6n/4n8pVRZ3nGB6rVDr/jCj1qfbmfGOHRbKmyBNbSgkQxdTIagWetbygYTYkDJlg 0o1VBfB5DFy+6nxww3Eq9lKKZmVt4o4Y/DgTKpQVfXhg3a5KwaiDZWyj5t+wIMqvVxYqejSvO 0QmFvrE3fxwRR5kssjQX/tMQZFVOr8tXMm+yOhhr8V84R06uRZnAL8oSbo3SU9QADDKyn7s0P jp827UJCI6NHTWJX2KIWRe6cZL9D7V0G1E4sBiFz1Bs+C+YUoMoMxPAkxnNhYi42daKrASA7T iSJFJS4EwyPzp5eIoRfspFV3MCg4sso2aIN0J1eYAVcN/8X4ipCazglU2Ia6v6kz/ajJscnX8 6dr7Y9GR+h3+S4U+3bIpZpMRktk0eFNVsaldzE4yG7rEMhBMjwB8Fu3oVcXRpV6/5O+0I7KF3 wBANlQytSIELNMLoqQnBmdG2qkdzUF9dRk3vqNm+OlREvFecmKMAaQ//zsM1IgV37JxBAUjMA kPY3X50HhaNR7/nyRzA+sMmBsAP8XcpuX+nxk9KyMJFYUvhsdtYz1AW7NuI= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:45:00 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:56:35 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:47:03 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > > Never tried it, but you could try photobackup which is free in > the app store, it uses rsync to back up the camera roll - there are a > couple of iPhone addicts in the house who use it to back up their photos to > the house NAS where a cron job links them into to directories by year and > month. The Android users use acrosync for the same purpose. Thanks for this specific (!) app suggestion! I will definitely try this next week (if I can conform there is a registration to the Apple app supply mechanism). Do you know if there is anything "non-obvious" that I have to prepare on the FreeBSD system for this to work? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 20:47:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E723BF10C86 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4460F719DD for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lx6wD-1ekRQU1Pdh-016jJJ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:46:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:46:54 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Per olof Ljungmark Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216214654.00ead88b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:bkA1UPyiJgeENGERAiBhvGxvI+J5L4MElUrJnWTrHO41biU9/hQ BgIqmRbKsva4DjhT/p46XO9xonf8I8bjelGQAV2lvu1NIgJrw2fBBPreKZYEwp9Cba5j8Bu n8qfEpcbKGLtBW7bkeiUJY2jI65k7dN7RFj+p4rJIUpKGe5c8+uCAQGEp6yeIYFDeHhBvLA 7YAP7k0SlOpXEh//g7MCA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:CIb2+WaFM50=:uFkm6rrRfeHsbGy9bCBFRj M0A0xTuIjEVIt/ZywrOR75zRn8cZ6GV4m7OVncbz413prXI+rthKzxn3hqwzjzkyqXeVPUnOr th0z+dmRr7nxFpIEYy/z6JBzZX59NXMEkXzdTEVtIgXPbviFIWJF4cuuMmwERV3OcYxACpXKk XI5tIXRNyz2DTpC89/XRMF8fo0kVpeIs/pxbsYJ2CKS2VnImegefkoJrOBCN84eNZxzq4i30V lHZ3agLuQJpXYmmguDpRP/rXkmJQ1MYv0ExfSoHK/gRzYqkpBW8genaVetSoWkB+RAJkDGRZx AM9tRd2fhq6KSpa/qGGoUqJr6Lxuy91AIBY4jZOVTEsUBkofXXHOsiBgNPSAfP2nK+icovZEz 4b5JJlBQmxfFwfItWnvKgmdzG1Bogd1+mE0rWn29LMJ86zauWizgJTdQpXvf6TXepmkbEgszz VJMpZPy30JMJqOVUb/ib15mYdHvQM3X/BF1xiRVu2giDpXqx63b6z69gcPiTHVRtBXJ/YgxcR Rtnd4Hsk91uN1Ftx26HE7+dt6wJ1lgyMJ/aaeENbBGxRJXCgTJqVMII+cgHdEJj0mSjcE0HGt CdSfsRRHN2XilZLLlqRJ5PV+JSUrhc6Q1Ur11kPE0afrY9Bu4Ju2KiFkZZpCC6d8PeurqjIYE xxkoq/8V3OEl3QicWZPmOFjmxYmlPxgaR7ziihp0TKG0WAb6zqMXfrnbjwU/Co3GJZji1boxt aQmPywGQximQIkvtP+FvEvP4p5bkfbF6FpB1IKVbszANajbE3cL1iJ3UIoY= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:47:04 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:51:54 +0100, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > On 02/16/18 10:47, Polytropon wrote: > > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > > > > Hi, > > I got curious when I read this and tried myself on a fairly recent > 11-STABLE amd64 system. > > I can report that I successfully have accessed an iPhone 5SE and is able > to transfer images from it. This was done with fusefs-ifuse and > libimobiledevice. > > idevicepair pair (with screen unlocked) > kldload fuse > ifuse -d -u <40 digit id> /mnt > > Don't know what is different with your system though, but at least there > is proof that it *can* work. Cool! Maybe I need to update to FreeBSD 11... however, I have installed the latest packages via pkg, and I assume (!) the USB stack and libraries are the same, but I don't really know. Maybe this is the problem... On the other hand, maybe iOS on iPad and iOS on iPhone behave differently when presented with the same external situation? This is all black boxes. You'll never know. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 20:48:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6447CF10F95 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4B2671B57 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MDPP3-1f0sMD3bun-00GmxT; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:48:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:48:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Greg Veldman Cc: antranigv , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216214819.915bec85.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180216143120.GM72092@aurora.gregv.net> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <07005a4b-2fb6-878c-63d2-fef2ae9ae8c4@evnbug.org> <20180216143120.GM72092@aurora.gregv.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:GpEcvRGF/dd3UzsMmleBnymVZOPi3EmgQwbw7KCTCaQu7coABwI OgSdwtosq5wHozHh9E4Pc0O5YJ7VzpP85ETa+BC/YXb7trqBSu1N+6I2Km9EPXxQ2E8slVj WCj+OZmQlrWnoZvRuGIxfG0v18EZgXmgzEg1mmGWmtuFnNcnsF8oG4XG6kGy5jCNPbzKrdf dB/xrcoGA4oumbPWMNxtg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/l8/gN+512Y=:WcNFLgB9WuWtiXK7ZQnkI1 C6xQEPIvFPpsLfHNceAGS7XdC2Qr07L8HmXBISqKbrcpx9FX3SiZoYWJlTm5HmZfBUU2mICyl 0+H2LW8v81xaH4AogXN1YmqkYBmdqp1czFhb95YzuauaO5VgWAHbeJv/VoM7P2Sc7nV5hqwDk LoUPtCpW0rJJamjp1ywCrdUuxF9/OJb+dd9Yqaisr+pEcSkrlmMCfPBCE1h2Q4Wrlrlwg4E+d deA4TBtUrb9FBmFFa7Cg7aGoni7GCDki7UBR5OqD+fz1eQxKaecd9zuMlmycITqi+R2H2ET/A SDi6xGKPXLo/JH9Wnf8w+Jgv9VuYDom0JRjN2cHQuzWzcxSbtp2GMWPK14YVEyJOM9+0tGUcR SOREvlUsvmEYLJU70FQKO29czxfR6wje5WObVdrnVZJbcmZobcuKZGGSP412mfvajEsJ+72BX n+8BmgdYQJf6JjtC0UFW4VQrbYiiHW+PbfUQlZ+wEOPFNU2I73FzjzstHTveDAJQS0RLiTEmX icwiAttq63n+pUqa/1pzgm9mII4Ci9CT7QiFuV/3ZoEUibIkou2RQ33iXNm1eunJTcZ6uX91n baKrCdTeQ0bA/VutUsTY6RzB7sL/SPQYIh5Pso0XhRf//d8xAUi6NisHMIEIV24hWASu8NBZQ UkmnNFCN9oE9LCPCnvtTNfh8JwcR+gE0OZP7h3GPVMXYBXAFbac54OPs58WGe0ulC15Z2Y+yH egbnHi+A36yeOA77yRt1MdTr+SVWL19uKFMzVc8b0tdn06B8YyiBQSrv3Fw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:48:31 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:31:20 -0500, Greg Veldman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:41:31PM +0400, antranigv wrote: > > wondering, > > > > is there an NFS or Samba/SMB client for iOS? what if you just transfer > > it using the network? > > I use FileExplorer for this purpose. There is a free version > and one that costs a couple of bucks, the main difference is the > free one only supports one server connection (which should be > sufficient for the use case at hand). It can speak SMB and FTP > directly to your FreeBSD host, and can access the photos on the > device if you grant it appropriate perms to do so. Another great app recommendation. I will note it and check next week. > Of course the device still needs to be sufficiently registered > to be able to install apps from the store, which may or may not > help you, Polytropon. This is something I have to verify first. I have never checked if the device is registered with Apple. I _assume_ it, but I don't actually know. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 20:50:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4543F11232 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4567871CB5 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LeM29-1eRoIB0efl-00qAOj; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:50:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:50:17 +0100 From: Polytropon To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216215017.dd30db97.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <93d4d0a36d76f54902d7f2c4bc2b096d.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <93d4d0a36d76f54902d7f2c4bc2b096d.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VBRPnF9WZaRI0f+sCA+lL2FpaKj2UeuO50RxsSmjNiocVEtFhwg dOwJ87CnkGIXfUplXDPXmia4q6H8aIRhQSTPGnAmrPFuuA0VuMtwuiUo/d0mT1RyR77Kk9Z xUUw6gkLcp3nnSQpHo0DZWIzN9q/x29o8rKSpaHVWigsPDaVyC8AehZxtcuLbst5f7DvTgN 69LodFzXZSzZbpLEzTeAQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/X5cNoLfTKI=:JjhKMugwPZxHYOzIRf0gWi UBGX9UASmZQenx5qmAuX3PGPtB4v39sobAK2I1KA+ErGxKSvdem8DLmRAAK2TBocx+m2Hbrxz TOlZX6ol600w+p38ehITj04B+Lv3AnNnhW4tTw6jPrQq/6kDYkqkR9sRSzYMD7TqZ+11RsY1Q CXmh1pDqNRvfGIMn0N73AzVAeCl0bmk4/OkP43RDjlVUYQwE9rIUbe2kX9xHYMZ+cDeWGpsGb JGVQHAm+1QzbabeZfmnT8XPe+eZsEPVW096BFJLsUJKVC8DvdaY0ChrQomd1FTQF+xIz3k3Ja Pz92gA8O3778PIUiNHUstAJS/Oq73XfZd0ns1IrANDYI/7BGwf9tOcB6DMn6EqtJsNXzBiB3z 3luQ7h2NwH/RMi1RcnMQR2nMOVCJ18x3TtwYW1WCKSNXbUE19fivazXWpHYrswOHrJ8Ssfvvo EnqTReKbHJtqZiYFTf5Ck/ZMV++LytKyjdbDlGXj566ztKjUVn1PBlkjjcrC8E4GYVQgbuLa7 Y675jMNDFy82TtDkdSWspRdKuDqDS7NTxBe8uoUVxMcq8AC1w+0glakUZeCFY8rq77jdalxR5 Yxdq/NxI4vzUKDrxPg+ZVzTvAJ7zZ1dckWp9vJwKdb6BdcswJus93TUpqkWSYHACWrm+JDsN0 JOZpMtmI/WfnFUAriWL0XZ1+zSt6MEttlKj0EsnzWFYOHDrqw7l0MxBM7MxaugZ1qYAGKbSzI NoA+KJwgA4Cy4SJ5VQ6Po/YIFb2/NSsMfeip7NigP4E2MoXpLg8xgy9e170= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:50:25 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:36 -0500, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Fri, February 16, 2018 04:47, Polytropon wrote: > > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. > > > > I have successfully moved images from an iPhone running IOS 11.x to A > FreeBSD-11 host using gphoto. That is as close as I can come to your > requirements. I didn't know gphoto could work with iDevices. Another thing to check next week. I've been using both gphoto and gtkam (both using the same library) many years ago to get images from a camera that didn't have the ability to be used with the direct access (da) driver (i. e., no mass storage was exported), but with those tools, it was very easy to copy or move files (or all files) from the device. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69501F11732 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1B37720E8 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LilXp-1eEYiD22hh-00cyUK; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:52:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:52:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:jpM9C7s1m3UFXVPz2EuQvKKG2sxrqd21wrDE2LOQChVCgleyEnL lO6cK1vIZw3wt+wizoegdlylcVvEbjR9SjRcK8742Le7ngohS3e2hAqzU5EBhoLRNWc/qao Htecso9Jko5bybaPBy0DUADwFa9zY0Y2KWn3QCK5oLlFVAseRxf+/wIcyZ1tnF6QgL5FJdK 85ynLKdOkD8AcxvY/CoIw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZgWYX2i9ngc=:kbea5rsRH/2nyYNPPDSCFZ hyYzLtRBHlYq0FSI1CBT/aBq89h7we9Y4NN6x70qu7nsWJ5OSOu34QbcgGZMMmBxmOnN5VUMZ 6UCBQsm+06qiEw0PENm1Dh9HI96KUbU0RCfJsD3PpzPm6GxzbiXB1L6kzaWos11CmuwnPTXYW fa0nOC1cCUg0KzzsG/csVOSe8slQ2N2LHfPoUrAdPwreAiCQy+fLZ0R31gGaBYDM3fZRCRQpx KIDEeaz1KUbtyxRHCeTeNQpat2Ii/l0r83aQgtuplaDxMxhOPDNeigu9Izj9BChkfmGuEcZjj WN0hkklWxMirzgL5cJb0ToF41rwySNd+CIG8KvAKAdUbq10xMRcwvQQS89gUdVshBYwAIVt3B P9YoFWL3pCaXO3l8y0z6ywiAu0Z+5K0RR/7HxMWq4CD4LTpU678oUlyT1qlrBUmblTjlHM23l SVraQSAf1lLSsuaC7ACOndY+xpE3ZBDt/dbD49xBdsZ0Qz2+zRXocD+sl1S7Pe6ZPaYYU8pP6 ZaM9WOoLahszkk85Hmkioegu9fobGd32dFqXO74Nngqga3x+p+0qj5+uOUh8HUBVrXgyHAIi/ ni5E0isphIwlu+sA1PK3E2DajraewirXol698XrIa5IuXj2NSDgZCm5krfA1tk1cF7QTUKLW/ OPje/6Ty5q5vNSQSkchH1Qwibs/yCMk1qtZzLbKFixuZm6g+EjwQOqv+qoadaQEXtOt74F2fH ayGRhZvFiCyjpdcuFwLWT3MMPAmXWxmStTZ+DmnBCJDIijGytXU3lbPgrhk= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:52:51 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:41 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 02/16/18 12:36, Polytropon wrote: > > > Speed doesn't even matter. An easy solution within a trusted > > WLAN would not be a problem, even if transfering the images > > should take a few hours. > > Can BlueTooth be an option then? I know that BlueTooth does exist, but I have never (!) used it before. So there definitely will be a learning curve. :-) > I "share" pictures from an Android phone to a FreeBSD machine running > comms/obexapp. Probably an iCrap can do the same. When I install obexapp, what machine will be in control? The iPad or the FreeBSD laptop? As I said, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do here. :-) The laptop in question is a Lenovo R500 which I think has BlueTooth installed, so that won't be the problem. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 20:57:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9636AF11DBE for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (mail.dpedia.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398FC7245D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.209.224.150] (helo=[192.168.2.109]) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1emn4S-0008RF-NY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:57:28 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:57:27 +0100 User-Agent: Dekko/0.6.20; Qt/5.4.1; ubuntumirclient; Linux; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42097551-63d3-4b44-abe9-3d4fe8645369@unixarea.de> In-Reply-To: <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.209.224.150 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:57:32 -0000 On Friday, 16 February 2018 17:40:18 CET, Valeri Galtsev=20 wrote: >=20 In the GOD=E2=84=A2 we said "Give me UNIX, or give me a typewriter." Nowaday= s=20 it's: Give me an OpenSource mobile device, or give me a Nokia 3310 which=20 can't spy me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 GOD=E2=84=A2: Good Old Days matthias --=20 Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 23:08:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71FFF1B240 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63F2B773BA for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: LuKreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:08:55 -0700 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5178f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:08:59 -0000 On Feb 16, 2018, at 02:47, Polytropon wrote: > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. Sorry for the double reply, but it may be possible to use iTunes via wine. Also, if I remember correctly there is an image grabber for windows that can= get images off an iOS device, which also might work under wine. But I real= ly don't do windows, so I may be a decade or half out of date. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 23:09:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF554F1B28E for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E049773D9 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: LuKreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:02:38 -0700 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <06845259-A0AC-42F9-9D05-EC8ECF8B55D5@kreme.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5178f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:09:14 -0000 On Feb 16, 2018, at 02:47, Polytropon wrote: > 1. I won't buy a Mac. >=20 > 2. I won't buy a new PC plus a license of "Windows". Fair enough. > 3. I won't give out any personal identification information > to Apple or MICROS~1 in order to "register". Not necessary anyway, at least with iOS/macOS. Sure, there are many convenie= nt features that don't work without setting up some sort of account, but it d= oesn't require *your* information and if you don't need those features, the d= evices are just fine without iCloud. This is less true of google services on Android which often block off featur= es to punish you for not using a google account. > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. Then I have to wonder why you have an iPad? This is trivial to do, but I think you've excluded all the trivial ways to d= o it. However, given your constraints what I would do is setup a Synology wi= th its "cloud" (as in, on your own device on your own network) and then sync= that to your FreeBSD with rsync or something. Synology Drive is supported o= n iOS and works very well. I use it to move files from Dropbox to the Synolo= gy for processing. The one thing that is least likely to work is trying to get FreeBSD to talk t= o the iPad directly. Even if you get it to work once, it can stop working at= any point since it is not at all supported. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 23:13:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E2F1B939 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 106927789A for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: LuKreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:13:03 -0700 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <460BCCBC-D739-486A-9BD1-3A94367739D9@kreme.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5178f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:13:05 -0000 On Feb 16, 2018, at 09:40, Valeri Galtsev wrote:= >=20 > to use which you have to have Apple account, and disclose to them your inf= ormation. No, you have to create an account with an email address attached. Any email a= ddress. Any information. > At some point they were as nasty as requiring to have your valid, verified= by them to work credit card number, No, that has never been true, though it is an oft-repeated bit of misinforma= tion. You do not, and never have, need to have a credit card to have an iClo= ud account. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 16 23:18:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FD8F1C027 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D9F477C03 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: LuKreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:18:38 -0700 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5178f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:18:40 -0000 On Feb 16, 2018, at 09:40, Valeri Galtsev wrote:= > Almost all applications coming through apple store will refuse to install o= n older version of iOS. I still have a device with iOS 4 and two with iOS 9. I can instal;l; apps ju= st fine in iOS 9, including for most apps, the older versions that run on iO= S 9 even when there have been updates to iOS 11. If an app no longer makes t= he old version available, that is because the *DEVELOPER* (not Apple) decide= d that. > you have to reinstall iOS (and present your valid appleID at first boot) No, you do not. You can setup an iOS device with no AppleID. > But after that you will not be able to install pretty much none of applica= tions That is certainly not my experience. > through apple store, as apple controls that apple store, and almost all ap= plications will refuse to install on older system. Again, if an app won't install on an older OS it is because the developer of= that application made that decision.=20 There are many valid reasons for a developer to make that decision, by the w= ay, primarily not getting reviews or support requests from people running ol= d versions, but also if changes to the back-end are no longer compatible wit= h older versions. I'm sure other reasons I can't think of. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. 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[92.111.79.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 58sm1183291edt.70.2018.02.16.15.18.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:18:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Administrative email from FreeBSD jails To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca References: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Johan Hendriks Message-ID: <28e7c4e1-939e-934f-2d6b-43fe55036214@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:18:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:18:55 -0000 Op 16/02/2018 om 14:52 schreef James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions: > I have the relocated WebDAV site running in a jail on FreeBSD-11.1. > The question I now have what is the simplest method to redirect all > email generated in the jail to our smart hub. I am conversant with > doing this using Postfix but that seems a bit of a heavyweight > solution in this instance. > > Is the any simpler software package that can forward all application > and system generated email from a jail to an external hub? > > How do other people handle this requirement in their jails? > I used ssmtp to get my mail of the host, but it did not always format the mail right. Maybe you can try mail/msmtp. https://www.freshports.org/mail/msmtp/ I did not use it yet but will try it on my new jails, for now i replaced ssmtp with postfix. regards Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 02:07:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B9DF03519 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 02:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1D7F251 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 02:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 99874CB8D26; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:07:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from 107.77.207.170 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:07:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3088.107.77.207.170.1518833251.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <460BCCBC-D739-486A-9BD1-3A94367739D9@kreme.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <460BCCBC-D739-486A-9BD1-3A94367739D9@kreme.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:07:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "LuKreme" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 02:07:38 -0000 On Fri, February 16, 2018 5:13 pm, LuKreme wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 09:40, Valeri Galtsev > wrote: >> >> to use which you have to have Apple account, and disclose to them your >> information. > > No, you have to create an account with an email address attached. Any > email address. Any information. > >> At some point they were as nasty as requiring to have your valid, >> verified by them to work credit card number, > > No, that has never been true, though it is an oft-repeated bit of > misinformation. No, that is true as I twice had to give Apple credit card number just to start using apple store on iPhone. It was about 7 years ago, and two my cases are separated by at least 4 Months. In my book a statement "was never done" is overturned by a single example showing it had been done. It was done to me twice, I stand by my original statement. You do not, and never have, need to have a credit card to > have an iCloud account. > I never meant iCloud, I never used iCloud. My apologies if my insufficient command of English language prevented me from expressing unanbiguously that I am talking about apple store. Valeri > -- > My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective > ways to reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 07:37:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7307EF17078 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic301-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic301-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E564A6C901 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 12MYb28VM1l5L0trRs4L764sK7trA0P0p13xVCTxUsWelYGIOujphUMyhKFanNZ N7mbQf3OdlUmDhdkDGSml2ZxdAx95QUd8DNzoRdKqX7klqgq8f6xdGAB617mvduEwdoNbkkQdIq7 O.g4ewfhQ.tPQHarXHEBQ8Eep2xw08R6dlRyS1ZofLqbFAYXD41F8ylXdy8a.wAXyeZdg.p_E8JY vWvzP4.lyRJ6crWr31yBICLuZTXiN00WjRNCo_1n9pUuKq8V.RWdAUYhv9l5L3DTWJk2W9DNsqts kV9.x6oDPhGa3u87Rr4GR4_Ta1pvTAfax9vToxd_33jEhTnkQ6a4rDS6EK3.tXN0m6D7NWYi8I53 t6Qh7TWOCoKOr5bCP8gEZ2mCp8e1NAxrDV6nDVA6tOs8A0FwOd_DOn3YEBH8qGGCIqjkr4gLggqV 6teCHFFpNzntIHnhStVzXPjzVnKf8t.CHbGjBvuAYmy2BXwdyhNqkvw3Z64kWRYKrcoKB_HM_oVI HQNps50vrSazpKYUlLwWuxh03UBwIyabv75IRI66IvvjYaOA.GAk- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:37:21 +0000 Received: from smtp170.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.37]) by smtp415.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 1bbba5ca01597fd084cec4a03ea6d4f0; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:37:22 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180217083722.52d9c8be@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20180216100345.GA25370@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216100345.GA25370@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:37:30 -0000 Off-topic: On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:03:45 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: >My suggestion: > >Don't use an iPhone. Use an OpenSource mobile like UPports running >Ubuntu, see https://forums.ubports.com/ , or Purism's librem-5, see >https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-4/ > >I have the first one since 2015 (and you just SSH into it) and ordered >the 2nd one too. An iPad is not the same as an iPhone, however, no other tablet PC is real-time audio capable, excepted of the iPad, let alone that companies such as Arturia provide the best value for money, the ratio is much better than when using free as in beer FLOSS software, since companiers such as Arturia offer top-level products for a few EUR. Just gettinmg software for free as in beer, doesn't mean that you get things done with this software in a reasonable time, if at all. To keep a long story short, it's just one example, why users are willing to take all the disadvantages of an iPad, resp. of Apple's restrictions. It might depend on the country, but indeed, even to use an iPad without accessing the store, you need to give critical information to Apple, since the Apple ID e.g. is generated from bank account number and email adresse. That an app requires an iOS upgrade could be an app developer's decision, but that Apple does discontinue supporting a few years old iPads, by not providing iOS upgrades, is an Apple decision, not done for technical reasons, without doubts it's done out of sheer greed for profit. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 18:16:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735ACF0097E for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C39588CA12 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:16:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lpijq-1eK5jK0OHO-00fTtN; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:15:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:15:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: LuKreme Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:h1CHpHva1p01tDzZNy05NQHp6TiuYp4CZcV6ghDNMt4gaYSuAk8 smNyZgLlt5NNR8uo0YxiFxrsi3n3NbJxS/mFHPWtLTaXy0EbnL9mIDeAUp0PmugMPMFPpyK Jstd2WFU3ygCL+TeEMshO45EqXwKg/IKZY25I+wVT08UePVUF8oH2XbBZPPQwVbkeSshSs+ mgCqZcILmZU0NWiltF+4Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:mrtYlMXbFkg=:c3vMJpihxmZFAi/JT+14Bc qKvCoxJPgsmG2QptK5E5WiUT1z7MEcnKVY1Y5Br7+6xb+AorvmWspxiZEc8xyO3FTCWii/ClE w2/Qw3CAusHk0Ouq6Ih5PWnvXptEJIZikfk4++iL7GLFlsCW8I4BK/SEYXhZJzvCRQ37EMkoa 2u78HZPxN+FN8wDfVXEjxBFuwEeozFAwqVrMdym+XCZ+u+1GHdwVTJ5bO2IfpXtDXRCaNuV0J wVly+H/Z/pdp2fe2HXAaK/YJyFO8jCjfBUQuoWPeZkniux6oZPPla/pe/5O8gzreM0YUO9rMY 1d9u5WMJU1314p1U7M9I5owYwIooN7gHj1gYh+bozni/DaH+GzIpvnwSTUoiLhfYe0Jh/1+TA h4M9YEVmjieHBkJCJJvk0nkr6AHcyVIcpbAlpsKMTw9jRu5PeC7pYE5mS1HVv4/kzsySt7OQo YOND4cdXXbffK96Bs4KBXj2m47F4OX9PYL0kZ6LrnGEOZ5S2DpL/JwFooKXbQwaUdzKXupwqi Yj7w8Zka1PmxnnFJsVz9RxIC/taWSbKv17XNs3tfUt1UAVppXWRG3coYJTeqdeIgw5Rv3iHxH CbQXtdsg7DwcW1HObV9NL/KBsNiKSBJhMog4/OZGJWNH2ebIqKdbvwFG/7BKVwctbL2PjBEeR QmQzcUVJpCyTtBc0PLG/JWBkhXQYmJIiEu9NIu4NCeCJxhUO7fhsQtyLpUE4vpcFrHSvJHoaO M4BhENnKkM3Z8Z95mrF5RTO2wzYpQFJerZ0929qcTooOXSFgiwzHgJ3xPKg= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:16:03 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:08:55 -0700, LuKreme wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 02:47, Polytropon wrote: > > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. > > Sorry for the double reply, but it may be possible to use > iTunes via wine. Interesting suggestion, I'll put that on my list, too. And as macOS is "somehow UNIX or even BSD", why doesn't Apple provide a native iTunes program for FreeBSD? That would make them look more professional - and me happy. :-) > Also, if I remember correctly there is an image grabber for > windows that can get images off an iOS device, which also > might work under wine. But I really don't do windows, so I > may be a decade or half out of date. Without at least the name of that program, who knows if it still exists - and works, as things tend to stop working as soon as a "Windows" update happens... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 18:18:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE418F00C45 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 510FC8CB1E for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue006 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MOYWP-1essHB22s9-005p7x; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:12:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:12:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: LuKreme Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180217191250.f3f655ea.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <06845259-A0AC-42F9-9D05-EC8ECF8B55D5@kreme.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <06845259-A0AC-42F9-9D05-EC8ECF8B55D5@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Cy1iWslxKhmIWxlCpBQv6jhaa1foJR1FWetHoorpuAndsEghESR L9ZcbFyELQbvhen4+ir6FkNWSxYH8Wivaetd8Sr0taAh+V/bumhTDnNJMk2zxy9rWYgGmjq ZH7Td/vwmS0RC81+/+82JtNJNUmQ+MCHJiJJVN0YcQkVggiaRcwadO8EwIkDvTPAMBdqluY v/MvOEE/Evv69zJRkbsvQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:TCtmE808dt4=:93udcS2mZnlCCZwlPs6c0F SvSSwIrnZ4WAyHd4s7jm/hi1NZCIFwFgresTMyJWOqn1xDaTY6YADjldrzAxgNCu0LnMd+C4a hA2zbprBjv+vpMAPQDH5QJHOFVkGy2vmKlOpPece0Q8dTceEeOzZx/NHpWcGVtX/gzT8Z9jnK 9PlYN+dyknvWu9Ok7Vu2ca9BZvH2scifLsUHPu9kzh97AQ2s0jSIwB0x41sq6IvoC7al9sMIa F1lMCG/mj8utild7ME+uHyN3fpu4LrlkzGQR+5dbqeQ8KScP7QcvlRSjFgHcqYMIWcuvLT63d P/nPcrG9qApwdx398EWrdcGLLSdqTgXRSiX+qSXELkPLKmfRfMn5/Fo2gEL1R/b1uzzRg6qfj X+YnYgE8UqjfsHOuh2sQCjXYr1JrZZhzwQ+yLpX4eZrBTTiBd5wJY3JqaUVjUAvBqa8hvg5bb iFCSEQ0nPQD8/u2MfazgnE9uNaH5MGwlgBaiQ/CnLEEglgVZZ+N8HlnbOtvsf4+3ai9VcJ/X4 vOUikKHJc8OdXZ63wTIIg3Xc5YlB4TGfvTTp/MTOtHJWDWrNocKrxmHun6fZ3Ix3kvV8455kC Wln3kEnol1krHIApnADaEcxiiTRkb7TaBY1VjOSeQASaUitVAKeBoe3BXFDB//Enum87fXQgL a9Ly18E4cHYNGzmB+ubPNTCHtsFhKscuEkpY/W7od8jzxlxf7kGae11J2xad5FOnwA1J8OIgI sKGAB1wcKHyBrNMK47z4cLQqGVgPEcFrhqmajDFpf/uETx6HFfD7imy26oo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:18:29 -0000 On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:02:38 -0700, LuKreme wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 02:47, Polytropon wrote: > [...] > > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. > > Then I have to wonder why you have an iPad? Is there a required relationship between "owns an iPad" and "is using a cloud provider"? Sidenote 1: It's not my personal iPad. I would probably never buy one. :-) Sidenote 2: I'm rolling my own "cloud" infrastructure for decades, so no need for 3rd party services. :-) > This is trivial to do, but I think you've excluded all the > trivial ways to do it. However, given your constraints what > I would do is setup a Synology with its "cloud" (as in, on > your own device on your own network) and then sync that to > your FreeBSD with rsync or something. Synology Drive is > supported on iOS and works very well. I use it to move files > from Dropbox to the Synology for processing. This sounds far to complicated, given the assumption that you can easily transfer files using a USB cable, with the source device being compatible to the long-ago established mass storage access standards. As I know now, this assumption is _wrong_, due to the work Apple put into designing the internals of iOS. > The one thing that is least likely to work is trying to get > FreeBSD to talk to the iPad directly. Even if you get it to > work once, it can stop working at any point since it is not > at all supported. As you can see from one answer in this thread, someone got it working (even though with an iPhone, not an iPad, but with iOS 11 as well), so it's at least worth the try. Sidenote 3: Printing from the iPad to a printer with enabled wireless interface worked quite nicely (via WLAN). But I will not print all the images and then scan them! ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 18:44:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FE5F02F29 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA1F8E0BB for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 96226CB8D28; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:44:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from 108.68.161.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:44:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:44:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "LuKreme" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:44:47 -0000 On Fri, February 16, 2018 5:18 pm, LuKreme wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 09:40, Valeri Galtsev > wrote: >> Almost all applications coming through apple store will refuse to >> install on older version of iOS. > > I still have a device with iOS 4 and two with iOS 9. I can instal;l; apps > just fine in iOS 9, including for most apps, the older versions that run > on iOS 9 even when there have been updates to iOS 11. If an app no longer > makes the old version available, that is because the *DEVELOPER* (not > Apple) decided that. This is not what I said. At least, not what I intended to say. I had to reinstall iOS on old device for somebody because the device was purchased in a state that it was locked with password, and there was no other way to recover it (except for old user to unlock the device, but there was no way to get hold of old owner). Incidentally, for me as for sysadmin it is often situation, people bring for recycling old devices they haven't used for ages, which they don't remember password for. My duty is to wipe the storage clean, so I do know that there is the only way to access such device to wipe it which is to just reinstall the system on it. Now comes the fun part. On old Apple devices you only can install the version of iOS the device was released with, and maybe upgrade it to slightly later version. There is no way to upgrade the device to latest version of the system that exists now. And here is the part where we two will fundamentally disagree. The truth is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given application. Which effectively prevents you from installing most of applications on device on which you reinstalled older iOS. You are willing to blame application developers. I disagree here. There was a version of application that worked on that older version of the system. It is apple store that gives me incompatible later version of application, disregarding the version of system apple store client comes from. And there is no way I could find to request from apple store older version of application, the version that was compatible with that older system. Of course, apple store and friends are proprietary things thus there is no information about them for us to substantiate any argument. However, it is Apple who locked iOS users into installation of applications through apple store, therefore it is they to blame for the situation like the one I described, at least in my book. I know there are many Apple fanatics, who will yell that you are wrong, and just go and buy Apple's latest and greatest. There is no way to yell louder than they do. There are some people, however, who still don't buy disposable cardboard wrist watches, and wear wrist watch (the good quality one) they purchased some 20 to 40 years ago. The same goes about almost any other hardware. If you got good quality one, and it still works, and it still (as hardware) fulfills all tasks it is supposed to, then there is no need to obsolete, retire, replace it. The iOS device I had to reinstall system on for somebody, on which we were not able to install any of applications person usually uses on iOS devices, because of mere reason that the system is considered obsolete [by Apple], but the latest iOS can not be installed on that device. Thus Apple (offer someone else to blame if you can make sane argument) effectively obsoleted their hardware which still works, but you are barred by App store from reinstalling the system and then reinstalling all applications. So, long time ago when I passed my iPhone to somebody else and switched to Nokia N900 (running descendant of Debian), I was commenting that I was in [Apple] jail, and now I'm not, and that person who got my iPhone is in jail now ;-) Just my humble opinion. Valeri PS Apple is great in a sense that on one hand they are monopoly, as if you want to have great system which is fantastic UNIX (or almost as strictly speaking they didn't pay AT&T loayalties...) underneath with excellent GUI interface. And you can have OS 10 only on Apple hardware. But being monopoly (in that sense), they still fiercely compete with themselves and develop new great hardware. Except few flops like titanium macbook, or MacBook Pro 2012 - in last case I'd rather blame NVIDIA whom, BTW Apple dropped after that. But anyway, they are just doing really great job, and this is also my humble opinion, which by no means contradict what I said above about planfully (and painfully for customer) obsoleting older devices. > >> you have to reinstall iOS (and present your valid appleID at first boot) > > No, you do not. You can setup an iOS device with no AppleID. > >> But after that you will not be able to install pretty much none of >> applications > > That is certainly not my experience. > >> through apple store, as apple controls that apple store, and almost all >> applications will refuse to install on older system. > > Again, if an app won't install on an older OS it is because the developer > of that application made that decision. > > There are many valid reasons for a developer to make that decision, by the > way, primarily not getting reviews or support requests from people running > old versions, but also if changes to the back-end are no longer compatible > with older versions. I'm sure other reasons I can't think of. > > -- > My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective > ways to reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 19:05:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3113DF04C19 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C559A8F10A for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 0520FCB8D29; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:05:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from 108.68.161.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:05:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <55659.108.68.161.195.1518894354.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:05:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Polytropon" Cc: "LuKreme" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:05:56 -0000 On Sat, February 17, 2018 12:15 pm, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:08:55 -0700, LuKreme wrote: >> On Feb 16, 2018, at 02:47, Polytropon wrote: >> > So please no suggestions to "just" use iTunes. >> >> Sorry for the double reply, but it may be possible to use >> iTunes via wine. > > Interesting suggestion, I'll put that on my list, too. > > And as macOS is "somehow UNIX or even BSD", why doesn't > Apple provide a native iTunes program for FreeBSD? That > would make them look more professional - and me happy. :-) > Nope. Apple has only this small software developers group that would make all work with MacOS (no tooooo old version though), and with MS Windows (given a share of people who use MS Windows). People who use FreeBSD (and even Linux) are too small for them to be significant part of potential buyers of their gadgets, so it economically is unprofitable for them to do something UNIX/Linux folks can use. And that group (probably) is less likely to buy their gadgets (but I may be wrong attempting to guess apple's market opinion here). I agree, they will look more professional. In your and my opinion, and we are really tiny small minority, let's face it. They do look brilliant as they are for huge majority of people (including well educated brilliant university professors). And they (Apple) are great indeed (with small exemptions people like us face every now and then). Valeri > > >> Also, if I remember correctly there is an image grabber for >> windows that can get images off an iOS device, which also >> might work under wine. But I really don't do windows, so I >> may be a decade or half out of date. > > Without at least the name of that program, who knows if > it still exists - and works, as things tend to stop working > as soon as a "Windows" update happens... ;-) > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 19:27:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03CAF06958 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048968FF59 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:27:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp118-210-0-26.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([118.210.0.26]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2018 05:57:21 +1030 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <3e8cae85-532a-c3db-934f-6fedc84ad778@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:57:19 +1030 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:27:29 -0000 On 16/02/2018 20:17, Polytropon wrote: > Did anyone succeed in transfering files _from_ an iPad _to_ > a FreeBSD machine using the USB cable? The setting where this > should work consists of a FreeBSD 10.3-p24 (32 bit) and an > iPad 32 GB with iOS 11.0.3 15A432. While I haven't used them, you can find a few free apps like WiFi Photo Transfer which starts a http server on the ipad that you then connect to and download the photos. > 4. I won't register at a "cloud" storage provider. Have you looked at starting your own cloud? While you will have to install the client app from the apple store, (surely they have an apple store account), you then connect to your machine - so no third party "cloud" sign up. While OwnCloud charges $1 for their app, NextCloud is a free app. Both server sides are available in ports, so you just have to install www/nextcloud, install the ios client and sync your files to your machine. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Sharing Data Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 22:17:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132E4F155F2 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward105o.mail.yandex.net (forward105o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::608]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 971CA6FD3C for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback1g.mail.yandex.net (mxback1g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:162]) by forward105o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 651274443760 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:17:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp1p.mail.yandex.net (smtp1p.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b6:6]) by mxback1g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id aQXuJlnKtx-HeKO9cEw; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:17:40 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1518905860; bh=T6iMVWRHuviSVT0hUie+iHQWROIIsyOq6BPHcbJPmCY=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=Wnqijyr92QUC7TlpLqMOKyt/GqEdDZxyYMLcfnGse39RRHgfbpViqdHr473e0mWck J2us5zchPcy6R9QiPYSp0WCnpBAmHaTlZzN23ruq5OgbtUqLyxy+NsOAz0K6qcAAmd BeNkrQB0In4+YTdAjFlbkf06LZUlxxuR5JiwjRBg= Received: by smtp1p.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id D0K4kyGc4y-Hd80XQ2V; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:17:39 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1518905859; bh=T6iMVWRHuviSVT0hUie+iHQWROIIsyOq6BPHcbJPmCY=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=AzictqwYfni46DrWo3CHWnoeXXREdXiQqsxLZ9igTtOM8j7vcJEEY2+fxa+IQuj6F PQHtL+a031yiWzFns07OeNM1Ib/keMb+LmtSWpatqzhBsUQeClXPvMFUAWOpH1c2bw jHH3nq+3ZvBZFmz706rs0h23ewyVqPDprFOYgmRk= Authentication-Results: smtp1p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Message-ID: <1518905856.89579.1.camel@yandex.com> Subject: ipfw firewall From: Stari Karp To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:17:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:17:44 -0000 Hi! I am using FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64), single desktop computer. I try to setup a IPFW firewall and I am confused about logging settings. In /etc/rc.conf I have: firewall_enable="YES" firewall_quiet="YES" firewall_type="workstation" firewall_logdeny="YES" firewall_logging="YES" When I start computer I got about firewall: ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, default to deny, logging disable In /var/log/security is: newsyslog[28503]: logfile first created How should I know if firewall works? I had to use pf firewall and I had so many logs related to "igmp query v3". Thank you. SK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 23:25:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D89F1AD8B for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8800F72C11 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue007 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Mfepz-1f7rFB2EkF-00P4Pi; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Stari Karp Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ipfw firewall Message-Id: <20180218002522.1f24754f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1518905856.89579.1.camel@yandex.com> References: <1518905856.89579.1.camel@yandex.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:34NQFYFDZ41HoUvFIsAAINYOH9vve3UJkAegTxpPW4ZkhARsFbW QUri6GVkIK1KzaLsFlH44BehOSYBiYFPNd+R36Jo2f8R00/ckekHi6tV24CYkksA9gDyTa5 3it9p+JSoZ9C1DCcRaYEpJXoz3S7Yv8S8UMhpJFNLgtP1IvBWeCNQ5gNj03s5UgjOX8rP8/ Rm8IQ6yP6Mz04N9+5Br9g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:E13JBnNeP4U=:/uJu2bqphjHO/Ude+A8CaQ ATAAyiQf8x7o8hlOIgB8zwMABXdjiA1RDsDYp0hsPaeUozKdx8ezFo6Q72pOzhApPXpQ3Rj5v PyJ3cZsR4+pL4LUbMsCGm6qUT15RMcIjDPr8nZPQBUPIAlFC5tVpUxLbJ1kjxeMmikqLXPQqs R2lSNq7C7kutTf93ZYH6EehobtnTUqrYiuW2ZEKFC1+9HxPUFquc9x59tcEpQW5BkYt2IhaSg GnFi+UVpUNoFcxN27iHjmujx8DTBeBjqnJmh9ZB4TYGqlo2BuWl388A9yIlc8lrd86laWhebe NblAsLapUe9783HteOvqisnMT8MYXRHt+LMTJvGFgNEe/dxG4acD5SzCfhMZrdmsfqM/aTZQa YMwBaXD9Tmna+NRXFQ9m1fkFtjnm7iOqFmkJnao2FFdw4SkGBCkUNlpuKQZwdFEjdBWt3jFMD 40XxrSXqicWWWv6iKpEn/BQX1FeDCiDzPyP7Ly2yQZvxct1qGcaE40iVDhSlHW9nnz1R++4YX A81gADJtkwgWFcRwzULgB5sOdBigAc8669JcIywjQZ2OHuexqBkE3OOCkdKwSyEOvgJW0P9k1 YCgT8ztxT2oIPeSr8fryRTo2+N2sbaQajD1tNwy8+zDnRDNNnVM+m9ib7ijAldS51P7QyIsTD 58VRpYQSjw/qmuQPfH/PZj7ZlNPJ7Sq+7tA5D7TwfiSzmp0jGjqWkgQMH7sAhQkSOMPSldZKI L1ZSbIUgLSgmTOXG0aDwOTZZT9c/2stLzTCQO5D9QSP1eaIwTQTjx92BjNQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:25:30 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:17:36 -0500, Stari Karp wrote: > Hi! > > I am using FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64), single desktop computer. I try > to setup a IPFW firewall and I am confused about logging settings. > In /etc/rc.conf I have: > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_quiet="YES" > firewall_type="workstation" > firewall_logdeny="YES" > firewall_logging="YES" > > When I start computer I got about firewall: > ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, default to > deny, logging disable > In /var/log/security is: newsyslog[28503]: logfile first created > > How should I know if firewall works? Easiest way: with an external test, for example with nmap. > I had to use pf firewall and I had > so many logs related to "igmp query v3". You can set IPFW's default logging at kernel compile time (example from an older system): # Firewall, NAT options DUMMYNET options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=500 options IPFILTER options IPDIVERT Today, those can probably be configured dynamically. I don't know if there is a "kernel tunable" for those setting, but it probably is. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 23:47:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67C1F1CC46 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic311-32.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic311-32.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6F5773A57 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: OVbW8qgVM1kDkIBIRiJuPkB6G4IhltjAcbY3c0ZAf.axbOSX2S6_w7ULWQ2hNY4 UtegKgjppLhTwM5VUAEotsfcqkRspfeqQb27_YipomZK_lrPdb7GoUyjgz.Ww0y14BGAfHu_fUYd Gd_hgwcmSYAEBvS30_9sd8PxCDjZArY2LfVyn.qSGcDRxUP54CU580CU68vl7b3qF7p8bkQuFKgv NDYfz8i4E_DY7wxaxnWTCj6Z.q70umxtFLJi109ahWSGTlWojVQ5oVb_vB2ClLpQQXRuLbT47kfy vJ7T_ysvqJRotdntcNKtk0Dchy_PX_D_RGVld6PEEkffJj3FH5TQ1lst2GKjYnh46lhOZ9GP9IRN KmtwwNX46.QDYTOxLWnliV.kgYt5Oa5rmBEqZTncfw2KoyR_VHM0FQA0yliWjlaPRgultJJjLs_O bBFKCYYhWY37dVoluXTIBN5b2EawCEKCwRuKlo0sZv25G_AKK04hsw5a62CRucI1pLheWqcJllkQ R6jF_UMHNzDMuj87oPrvWWFfpG6Dn.e3F_4Dwpm43FqcWCPcoohk- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:47:02 +0000 Received: from smtp158.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.121]) by smtp409.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 2896129dcff4ba14a38ade861809167c; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:47:05 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180218004705.23d647da@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:47:13 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:15:51 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> Sorry for the double reply, but it may be possible to use >> iTunes via wine. > >Interesting suggestion, I'll put that on my list, too. That doesn't work, that's the reason why I run iTunes in a VM, first on Windows XP and since Apple dropped support, now on Windows 7. On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:12:50 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >Is there a required relationship between "owns an iPad" and >"is using a cloud provider"? I never used iCloud. I didn't follow the whole thread, however, if I don't want to use iTunes, I use emails to share files between my PC and my iPad. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 17 23:57:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165E6F1DCF0 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90408742FD for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Ty2HVDgVM1n.D84bFNEpwAVnWb6jvDeJRIMENO2sywGCUzf2D.03_e5lSaGwbsn PxAU4DXyAJvOOpqrguTfXUF6IuI5q6teuQ4Vj7ULtLg1W42eeHET6j7.NLMMDYBu4bTGY.PXhj9c uNMe8ytO.WiRGQeEMmZfz5wW.KOuKRr.fnt0Z0mL29oG61fmWIPWUrzHRyxkI_dqVXDiFv0kB7we NJWnKT_bMPYtRRTpXLsONfn1um3qgEuN1zJE1oskitIj_m65BIw_331oFnzzON10jPHfIEMqoQU. WZEfNSlF0q0cRKEuMMaZGL9pwhHQOiekJeM5iThQEZC1qZRuJnOyHnWo0xhGW2NlglhdYzKq0rBZ yla3O8U.CyB59JpW_fH1YD8SOOdFgn3b_q2sVGYbEQ2e67GJA2F6O1vPUC2n4kVvso.KiYyBeeFd ZRN5Z4MW6.q2WJoVA2u0mR7D7muWAFNuDQvo_KT8h98ePbUDJ14zL537flIP2zqpc05U9_LgthWz 7lzzxA9CCd4U_P5rmq5mjX_Pf1v9sQap6wSb2mXOO61LhWMh6l70- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:56:58 +0000 Received: from smtp161.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.124]) by smtp401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID dfdf4129b2d717591a6b32d68d98b539; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:46:56 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:57:06 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:44:44 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >The truth is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given >application. Which effectively prevents you from installing most of >applications on device on which you reinstalled older iOS. You are >willing to blame application developers. I disagree here. There was a >version of application that worked on that older version of the >system. It is apple store that gives me incompatible later version of >application, disregarding the version of system apple store client >comes from. And there is no way I could find to request from apple >store older version of application, the version that was compatible >with that older system. Of course, apple store and friends are >proprietary things thus there is no information about them for us to >substantiate any argument. However, it is Apple who locked iOS users >into installation of applications through apple store, therefore it is >they to blame for the situation like the one I described, at least in >my book. That is a serious issue when owning an iPad. Apple should allow to make backups. Actually what they call a backup via iTunes is not a backup. They don't backup all apps, they just store some purchased meta-thingy and there even is no backup of data available. If you accidently deleted an app with some important data, reinstalling the app, if possible at all, doesn't bring you back the lost data, a sync with an iTunes "backup" would require to manually restore data by the file sharing option, but not all apps support file sharing, IOW here is no way to backup all user data.