From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 12 03:01:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A85A106063E for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 03:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from mailout4.ceti.pl (mailout4.ceti.pl [62.121.128.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F36374C7C for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 03:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout4.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08804C013378E; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:01:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout1.ceti.pl Received: from mailout4.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.44]) by localhost (mailout1.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6CQcMjw8szN; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:01:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout4.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D05DC0133787; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:01:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id 60F1D960946; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:01:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:01:11 +0200 From: Tomasz Rola To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180812030111.GB28109@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <20180731014358.GA925@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180731195608.40cee639.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180801024324.GA20419@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180801165950.6bb77eabf97c862866d13ecf@sohara.org> <20180808161156.GA66626@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180808172413.9759288eaa75f6a8024417c8@sohara.org> <20180808163722.GA67368@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <2b5cf789-e846-aac0-d33a-39dd71d55f65@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20180808194846.61e5e0de.freebsd@edvax.de> <1d0a7981-e564-5726-1d20-bdade411c184@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1d0a7981-e564-5726-1d20-bdade411c184@kicp.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 03:01:43 -0000 On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 01:00:15PM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 08/08/18 12:48, Polytropon wrote: [...] > >work, simply because gdm says "FSCK YOU!" and continues > >doing its own startup, tied to the Gnome 2 desktop. ;-) > > > > Wow, Herr Polytropon, you made my day by using filesystem check > command in very unusual way. Made me laugh for several minutes ;-) On alt.sysadmin.recovery they were doing lots of those "checks" on pretty much everybody and everything. That was twent...uhrrumphugh so many years ago. It looks like the group is still alive but apparently they curse too little, I have no idea if they are real. As of display managers, I disable those every time I can, as well as few other things (hal and one or two other daemons whose names I forgot). The price for it is horrible: this is single user system, running outdated Linux (I am going to upgrade, of course, but I am afraid it will not be Linux this time). Also, I start X using startx. When I shared system with my sister, she was able to learn everything needed, like to type "startx -- :1" or switching via Ctrl-Alt-Fn but users are so spoiled these days. I think this comes from them hearing "UNIX is hard to use" - in the past, users were told what to do and they just did it if they wanted to use a computer, without arrogant expectations. My own alternative to Gnome3 is FVWM. But I cannot recommend it to everybody. Myself, I am very happy however. I almost do not use menus at all - run everything from terminal emulators. If anything goes bonky, at least there is something to read about it. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com ** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 12 11:16:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC25106CA3A; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB58E8330E; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4031520F02; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:16:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=wBLZDDtC5sQj/4V2w5Vqq5ZXfirwjWhaqbzpvvNtJH8=; b=NHBmEptG 0gIgsbdfjEtlhsHDrwaIe8/Z7LzqqUsHoWHJBZ5zk5s5Ll9GaF6KI2z0REdksjvd keRLzs9IcBUiSUzAwd1S0npx+WqQiZXJn4Spfuju+rzbGEk7ni61JCnEs7CJX1db ETB8LfAAzoi/uHxD/IhC3pPI7ux81kvkqdRpTGnMsR8T+VMsISMSr6xm7KfFd0Xy 16HI+5Xo9l23NgFQGwiwy8Ecb5+WpKcyZEEWrJvl/8ldNeeTKOy8/OMA1JOJcjkQ SM1H7dB5tuym6IZggliN1fJlumeYECIVQO4V859SXu5y0e1Hm28y5sO++gyIexWc v3xdpzW8LGvMbA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=wBLZDDtC5sQj/4V2w5Vqq5ZXfirwj WhaqbzpvvNtJH8=; b=aopIPTHSSQKQqT3vWbKbLE6NDYFRr9y1xwwH57rIcdUt5 VlF3hmT+J3JmuWcQJm1sNOSCNLJ1h3VxX+jPwscQ7fbKjmnamyS3/BWGOwW9QN6v aZYRsklhpnQuZrHE9oQsLrl6pMIeB/ZF3zw+snReY2JQR/gOwPTmbLWpsvGtu08a gxgHtpnbDAa/wgE3JgJMnmAAQbDQoRNrMN23HqjQITquijh6lX6bjqGEoe8ULu+T M8B954EmniMi0APWIDn39+c5xIUcBXSp/E7Y8GWtgo9UBl6vj+AiVeFMcWTB0HYn z4BpT+lCnqRnEisv2IpOJo0bIPWgKJnzn/zmS587g== X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from desktop.local (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 816F01025C; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:16:35 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: tech-lists Subject: upgrading from php56 to php72 via ports Organization: none Message-ID: <2042d5ad-b58a-b1e3-614a-122e246ee91c@zyxst.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:16:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:16:37 -0000 Hello lists, Is there an approved method of upgrading php56 to php72? This system uses source builds, ie the ports tree, so I guess flavours isn't available. Context is freebsd 11.2 amd64. Portupgrade is installed. thanks, -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 12 14:39:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EC01072607 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick_dkt@yahoo.com.hk) Received: from sonic309-19.consmr.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (sonic309-19.consmr.mail.sg3.yahoo.com [106.10.244.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 748178B002 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick_dkt@yahoo.com.hk) X-YMail-OSG: Mb3XbZQVM1lc7njEzjGBchisTA3SPkc4aU..exokMVZHiG8xzWB7RnENT.GSkjf tx8cb0MXNMMH46t0lD88GxzGTYyQUVehLk6FnKdcPez9QjPtkrP6ySzdFxuxZilfd5ZZSClgfilm pMeYyHkJZo.x.VkvLcz3fkG_Ae4Le3XPeXJJZe1BMJpYsLu8yuvtutct4H4y1kHwRMRUZHS8P6Ba UaFH2B0Lr.x4K2JLfkfc5_WrBzus4ZiBxekdSnzkGi7NWKoK6YuQsElg8KRfkt7UPf.y28vuPPlU vLuS8mddS8kPFfPhdTFbUe06LCL9UcJ_u5DeT_clqZEPqM1uHr3uhIRATVjxSl2a6sav9s.r9kLD p5C6bEDVuyq45gZNFaljkttlwXCrI2qzmIKOejWJw7jFKzunkkKEx4F6IKVbpE4W1AcZXMEWlr_L XhJPiShznNhaWcAiXlgDEmWuerWB.bxu7haMDcRYozhL.AJgxbsRQQDTLqYgln3m2CUTcLnwYUWG NPORRZoH3wTSSM.dvUgb4KfPrkOcRB10mTApFCduW3KPnJR34Uryl_C3YqCS_SsYYgqrR1ocjL3o W84.8mDpUQl6EsPehiHptNHX_0HNO6kcv2sqUZU.b154LbB0R7LLYEZVCjHiEZGbFzOPTDghxRxm uiIliZgXWh.LjiY9sjXTuGShLaRt5YRs.EenGz08li7W3uBPaIUI9DNBS8MmANIo1vX8sZi726Ds bs16FAGR8.76ORX02JW6u7_GPWs6Z7oRfSfshfkHPSRC89d.KORNLlfEvq.fK2nyDPGtMzzDUXj8 eI4wPr4_1qZ9knbybns30WZdVhRxzqZdX5J9Ch55eVj_E_S838WEuAVhNb3sZYndbv5nM7xMqqZv An9dD1VgudGQEGZw_IitegfApVpNgi8lswbFppyCu2b9Zna8IwOmao5IEEHcU6gaNuDABVqLFXbk sVgfAOGHSftvtdbRlDwAFyKAz3whi7zLvQA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.sg3.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:39:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:29:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick Dung To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <390738685.5860710.1534084162025@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Suggestion on some programs or libraries that could be included in FreeBSD base OS MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <390738685.5860710.1534084162025.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12206 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:39:50 -0000 Hello, I understand that the base system should be keep small. I had some programs or libraries in mind that they may be integrated into the base OS. Let's discuss. 1) SASL and GSSAPI support Sendmail and Heimdal (a Kerberos implementation) are already in base.But since SASL is not in base, these programs do not have SASL support. Looks like the Cryus-SASL license https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-sasl/blob/master/COPYINGis a BSD like license. If SASL is included in base, then it would save time for installing or rebuilding Sendmail / Heimdal from ports for SASL/LDAP (see below) support. 2) LDAP client/library supportThere are several LDAP client library like:a) OpenBSD ldap server/clientb) Mozilla C-SDK LDAP (https://github.com/dogtagpki/ldap-sdk/tree/master/c-sdk)Looks like it's multi licensed MPL 1.1/GPL.c) OpenLDAP (http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html)Looks like a BSD like license. 3) If the LDAP client / library is in base, then possibly name service switch and/or PAM with LDAP support could also be developed or included. I hope I am not asking for too much. Since most of the above programs can be installed from ports. Finally, I am not a lawyer. Individual licenses should be read and proper legal counsel should be consulted as needed. Thanks,Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 12 18:04:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA810788B3 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp3.cretaforce.gr (smtp3.cretaforce.gr [78.47.184.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 459BA73FCD for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by smtp3.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89353E8DC for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:04:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix, from userid 109) id B9C8F27351; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:04:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (athedsl-4448562.home.otenet.gr [79.129.209.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F01212732E; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:04:32 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: upgrading from php56 to php72 via ports From: Christos Chatzaras In-Reply-To: <2042d5ad-b58a-b1e3-614a-122e246ee91c@zyxst.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:04:31 +0300 Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5E678BB3-AB13-4429-8654-74BECA9F7D9A@cretaforce.gr> References: <2042d5ad-b58a-b1e3-614a-122e246ee91c@zyxst.net> To: tech-lists X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Bogosity: Ham X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: B89353E8DC.AFEF9 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:04:48 -0000 portsnap auto pkg del php56=20 cd /usr/ports/lang/php72 && make install clean cd /usr/ports/lang/php72-extensions && make install clean and maybe some more software: cd /usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin && make install clean cd /usr/ports/mail/roundcube && make install clean cd /usr/ports/devel/ioncube && make install clean > On 12 Aug 2018, at 14:16, tech-lists wrote: >=20 > Hello lists, >=20 > Is there an approved method of upgrading php56 to php72? This system = uses source builds, ie the ports tree, so I guess flavours isn't = available. Context is freebsd 11.2 amd64. Portupgrade is installed. >=20 > thanks, > --=20 > J. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 12 18:12:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9A21078D0C for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norman@astro.gla.ac.uk) Received: from smtp84.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (smtp84.iad3b.emailsrvr.com [146.20.161.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E53CC74458 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norman@astro.gla.ac.uk) Received: from smtp11.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B5A4040079; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:12:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: astro@nxg.name Received: by smtp11.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: astro-AT-nxg.name) with ESMTPSA id 5E2C340071; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:12:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: astro@nxg.name Received: from [169.254.20.184] (164.70.2.81.in-addr.arpa [81.2.70.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:12:06 -0400 From: "Norman Gray" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolving package conflicts (pkg set -o?) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:12:04 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.3r5509) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> References: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:12:13 -0000 Or (the same question more compactly expressed) is there a general strategy for dealing with package conflicts, where two packages install files at the same path? On 10 Aug 2018, at 18:10, Norman Gray wrote: > Greetings. > > When installing the 'ceph' package, I get an error: > > pkg: openldap-client-2.4.46 conflicts with openldap-sasl-client-2.4.46 > (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: > /usr/local/bin/ldapadd > > I'm not sure how best to resolve this. Can anyone offer advice? > > This happens because I've installed the openldap-sasl-client package > in preference to openldap-client (or rather, the nss-pam-ldapd-sasl > package installs the former rather than the latter). I take it that > the two packages would be broadly equivalent in function from the > point of view of dependencies. However I'm not sure what the real > difference is between these two alternatives. > > One way of resolving this appears to be to use pkg set -o > net/openldap24-client:net/openldap24-sasl-client, as mentioned in a > UPDATING entry of 20121212 (I haven't tried this yet). > > However the pkg-set(8) manpage suggests this is deprecated, I can't > find any way to reverse this if I mess up, and the discussion at > suggests > this is a rather desperate measure, in the sense that (I quote) > 'there's no going back', and there seems to be no way to discover > later what fixes have been applied. That is, this sounds highly > breakable, and pretty clearly not TRTTD. > > Section 4 of the handbook doesn't seem to cover this situation. > > I can't think of where else to look. > > I (vaguely) imagine I could get round this by installing ceph's > dependencies via pkg by hand, and then building net/ceph using > portmaster. Though I see that that has an 'R-dep' on openldap-client, > so that might just be a longer route to the same problem. > > I don't really want to build ceph from source. 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I downloaded ports and in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg did a make 2. The make completed with a warning about exiting on some signal, but a check of the work directory showed the libpkg.so.4 to be present. So 3. I did make deinstall; make reinstall clean. And now pkg works. 4. pkg info pkg shows -- >pkg-1.10.5_1 >Name : pkg >Version : 1.10.5_1 >Installed on : Wed Aug 8 18:49:33 2018 SGT >Origin : ports-mgmt/pkg >Architecture : FreeBSD:11:amd64 >Prefix : /usr/local >Categories : ports-mgmt >Licenses : BSD2CLAUSE >Maintainer : pkg@FreeBSD.org >WWW : https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng >Comment : Package manager >Shared Libs provided: > libpkg.so.4 >Annotations : > FreeBSD_version: 1102000 >Flat size : 12.0MiB >Description : >Package management tool >WWW: https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng 5. I am happy. Thanks and Regards Richard KHOO Guan Chen >----Original Message---- >From : khoogc@singnet.com.sg >Date : 18/07/2018 - 16:50 GMT+8 >To : steve@sohara.org >Cc : freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject : Re: pkg version libpkg_1.4 > > >>----Original Message---- >>From : steve@sohara.org >>Date : 17/07/2018 - 18:14 GMT+8 >>To : khoogc@singnet.com.sg >>Cc : freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject : Re: pkg version libpkg_1.4 >> >>On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:25:32 +0800 (SGT) >>khoogc wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have upgraded to 11.2 from 11.1 and now find I cannot use pkg. When I >>> call pkg as root, I get "/usr/local/lib/libpkg.so.4: version LIBPKG_1.4 >>> required by /usr/local/sbin/pkg not defined" >>> >>> Help. How do I rectify this? Thanks >> >> Try this: >> >> pkg-static upgrade -f >> >>-- >>Steve O'Hara-Smith >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > Sorry earlier message incomplete. > >----below is the complete run ----- >root@fbsd110:/usr/home/khoogc # pkg-static upgrade -f >Segmentation fault (core dumped) > >root@fbsd110:/usr/home/khoogc # gdb pkg-static >GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] >Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are >welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. >Type "show copying" to see the conditions. >There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. 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Thanks, Rakhi Singh From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 13 11:31:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC81E106F6A1 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from dd14614.kasserver.com (dd14614.kasserver.com [85.13.136.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5029F755C1 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from [10.254.163.152] (pd95ba13a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.91.161.58]) by dd14614.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65F0643C1B0D for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:31:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Philipp Vlassakakis Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: NFS + ZFS - Base System readonly Message-Id: <82BCE4D6-69DF-49E0-8648-4E9F3767D089@lists.vlassakakis.de> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:31:45 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15G77) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:31:54 -0000 Hi, has anyone experience in mounting a base system via PXE + NFS as readonly an= d then mount ZFS datasets r/w on top of the base-system? I would like to boot a basesystem (which is stored on a NFS share) via PXE a= nd mount ZFS-Datasets on top of that, so i can rollout specific configs (hos= tname, services...) per Host and give user the ability to edit config files (= apache, mysql...) and store data on the ZFS-disks, which will not be wiped d= ue to a Host reboot. Is this possible? Thanks, Philipp From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 13 13:00:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C3F1071D75 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A4B780A3 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.89]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w7DCgEl8029032 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:42:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Philipp Vlassakakis cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS + ZFS - Base System readonly In-Reply-To: <82BCE4D6-69DF-49E0-8648-4E9F3767D089@lists.vlassakakis.de> Message-ID: References: <82BCE4D6-69DF-49E0-8648-4E9F3767D089@lists.vlassakakis.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2018/08/09 19:19:10 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2018/08/13 06:33:00 #8764576 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:00:12 -0000 On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Philipp Vlassakakis wrote: > Hi, > > has anyone experience in mounting a base system via PXE + NFS as > readonly and then mount ZFS datasets r/w on top of the base-system? > > I would like to boot a basesystem (which is stored on a NFS share) via > PXE and mount ZFS-Datasets on top of that, so i can rollout specific > configs (hostname, services...) per Host and give user the ability to > edit config files (apache, mysql...) and store data on the ZFS-disks, > which will not be wiped due to a Host reboot. We have been doing this for many years, for a score of systems. We have a detailed description of our procedures at: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/FreeBSD-diskless.html It works very well for us. Good luck. Daniel Feenberg NBER > > Is this possible? > > Thanks, > Philipp > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 13 13:09:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A604910722EF for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wes.frazier@members.fsf.org) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.posteo.de", Issuer "StartCom Class 3 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2979C786AA for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wes.frazier@members.fsf.org) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B8820FDA for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:09:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 41px0C3QY1z6tm6 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:09:47 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: wes.frazier@members.fsf.org Subject: Re: Resolving package conflicts (pkg set -o?) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> From: wes Frazier Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=wes.frazier@members.fsf.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFnkGS8BCADFsuOK5MoYG9ngr5avBVEZ3M2YWFYqhFnrnegeC6gFP7CEEEhFlAlGFRJa 2lomWr9vkG19OpxtbiJVnXfmgquN5niDm3rx00So2EmpspHIp8/mOFE7Gx8tupQcOU6kVt4A 7i3U4KF+E1adev2BzVTxLOJPoaKRsA+puHdPH8jZ1a3y0YEtvLF8UUKiSEsECrjk30fQVKEl pGwNZUk5T30zWQWEIJXdYSviCbJmbzbf8DUQbHAxfcADYbMPm83XIOo14YbBjym8owNP1zhF M8ZOOxI0tQSh8Y+5U9Yn7pCm4FbIflLAIfV2dpoqeLgjQjOUDna+bo0HaWDt1bQQtUczABEB AAHNKVdlcyBGcmF6aWVyIDx3ZXMuZnJhemllckBtZW1iZXJzLmZzZi5vcmc+wsB/BBMBCAAp BQJZ5BkvAhsDBQkCky4ABwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQFO57iiyrSi6Q KAf+Pv/4HBh7Pk/NpjwaxdwK4Sxd4kO54VwcEcNmeGKMLPqD3ctDslETRBPyzA5Uvyckn5cE 6B8CbNKPEzpRRgr0kDHT5lzoHFaaubnl5ncYe419HMs8Dk3PXpwkjZ8KMotzJFvNVaaZ7Q7X B+r4godvMkDIZAz9GDBbyHKeK/1yqWQgquWJ7vxf2wSWWE6NqqENgcXQNUp54Ay4H+r3qEhT E72xbKFycmZ9idB7bzIKaf801M3AnbiUlvLcMXenFORtqhWXFYJqv/N/io9DN0nQfBpr9Fyc h50MNG4yVw/5jAtlnr6pXbTHPfAzp3/mv1NsrpLR6cRhXU5PW+jqyqLM7M7ATQRZ5BkvAQgA vIxBTKdST8TjalLJ45i2VO6x6FiTuS7FNwhlWinbmLrVqBOyuMU7Foxbps0BSjSY0+6tGUfJ bUdnbZ4EzzrVT1lPpj86vv4ukj9n7XzggAZJopzTj66ghqmiUfrZu5K5ClQUtosxYiUtIO7z 1BRf1xC5UNmqFEWxafEk81AVr6Us9J7BbyW4SdMh2ReHF+zgSs1CSzjobCZ/sA4v5uYp1hiq V08ZLawLIQoKQQFDorwMDPuX0ZL2O6ux2pX9tI04pGem2JVfQwxgfoE1Tj47MIvftmlzJ5uC O1y9zpkPjw00AngJgHKaIb0Xe6z4dJKotbAygB2tD/EM+2QJfBZ7aQARAQABwsBlBBgBCAAP BQJZ5BkvAhsMBQkCky4AAAoJEBTue4osq0ou3+8IAI/lD29qvdz2qmN0O68h9sE3r7qaqTpq 9LNgNIeTEJ7H6EfO9xU7TnPrBEm49V7fBJZLhkpyhA1XDwXPFgnQU+1dln9zGmm5qRySY71y zVvttW0k9FffhqvJy8yekcBHi8LIJVGV+FhrNixICs0zzPquWKtlcTSYQt80zuLND6XQYHb+ 7nq80Ij2h9e1b3sZ34Ceo0fjvIogieVXdmrg6K/fWKZ+yKOx0LBI60wB9pzb0T7WjuO0svxt lq3NfAji6+fadgIyWCDPx0aJx0/+LXvxkK0+1c4E9KjqmEfRSR1fdwasqLN43eD7x465JIIv DaE+1+8RUdzR93Ym3iKR3/Y= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:09:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:09:58 -0000 I am curious about this too. I am currently living with a conflict between lang/chicken and lang/mono over the 'csi' binary; and I would appreciate knowing what the proper solution is. On 08/12/18 14:12, Norman Gray wrote: > > Or (the same question more compactly expressed) is there a general > strategy for dealing with package conflicts, where two packages install > files at the same path? > > On 10 Aug 2018, at 18:10, Norman Gray wrote: > >> Greetings. >> >> When installing the 'ceph' package, I get an error: >> >> pkg: openldap-client-2.4.46 conflicts with openldap-sasl-client-2.4.46 >> (installs files into the same place).  Problematic file: >> /usr/local/bin/ldapadd >> >> I'm not sure how best to resolve this.  Can anyone offer advice? >> >> This happens because I've installed the openldap-sasl-client package >> in preference to openldap-client (or rather, the nss-pam-ldapd-sasl >> package installs the former rather than the latter).  I take it that >> the two packages would be broadly equivalent in function from the >> point of view of dependencies.  However I'm not sure what the real >> difference is between these two alternatives. >> >> One way of resolving this appears to be to use pkg set -o >> net/openldap24-client:net/openldap24-sasl-client, as mentioned in a >> UPDATING entry of 20121212 (I haven't tried this yet). >> >> However the pkg-set(8) manpage suggests this is deprecated, I can't >> find any way to reverse this if I mess up, and the discussion at >> suggests >> this is a rather desperate measure, in the sense that (I quote) >> 'there's no going back', and there seems to be no way to discover >> later what fixes have been applied.  That is, this sounds highly >> breakable, and pretty clearly not TRTTD. >> >> Section 4 of the handbook doesn't seem to cover this situation. >> >> I can't think of where else to look. >> >> I (vaguely) imagine I could get round this by installing ceph's >> dependencies via pkg by hand, and then building net/ceph using >> portmaster.  Though I see that that has an 'R-dep' on openldap-client, >> so that might just be a longer route to the same problem. >> >> I don't really want to build ceph from source.  I doubt that'd be hard >> to do, but it'd be annoying to maintain (and hence errorprone). >> >> I can't be the first to have this type of problem, so I expect I'm >> missing something pretty obvious. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Norman >> >> >> --  >> Norman Gray  :  https://nxg.me.uk >> SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 13 13:53:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9160E10734AB for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Norman.Gray@glasgow.ac.uk) Received: from plockton.cent.gla.ac.uk (plockton.cent.gla.ac.uk [130.209.16.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31B167A93A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Norman.Gray@glasgow.ac.uk) Received: from cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.14.164]) by plockton.cent.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1fpDHy-0001iz-4V; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:53:42 +0100 Received: from [130.209.45.140] (130.209.45.140) by cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:53:41 +0100 From: Norman Gray To: wes Frazier CC: Subject: Re: Resolving package conflicts (pkg set -o?) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:53:41 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.3r5509) Message-ID: <9734C9CF-6AB1-4D78-AB92-5827B3C168CA@glasgow.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [130.209.45.140] X-ClientProxiedBy: cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) To cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:53:51 -0000 Wez and all, hello. On 13 Aug 2018, at 14:09, wes Frazier wrote: > I am curious about this too. I am currently living with a conflict > between lang/chicken and lang/mono over the 'csi' binary; and I would > appreciate knowing what the proper solution is. Also, I think there are two distinguishable problems here: 1. Two packages install incompatible programs with the same name; eg, Wez's case of chicken and mono both having a binary called 'csi', and the two 'csi' programs have nothing to do with one another. 2. Two packages install 'the same' program built different ways; eg, my case of openldap-client and openldap-sasl-client both installing a slapd daemon. Since the two packages in case 2 install software built with different options, there will be at least some cases where the installed programs _aren't_ functionally 'the same', so perhaps these cases aren't as distinct as they appear at first. Case 1 could be partly handled by installing with a prefix, thus chicken-csi and mono-csi. However, that would only work for packages where there isn't a dependency which depends on particular programs being present. This clearly isn't a trivial issue, but I hope there's a best practice recommendable. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 13 14:44:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1709E1074A74 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63C97CD79 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9FC718087 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:44:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: name resolution puzzle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5cbb1cc0-8e3f-2736-755e-d182abfd90e6@kicp.uchicago.edu> <403d5d4b-a342-947b-069d-149f1f8232e9@FreeBSD.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:44:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <403d5d4b-a342-947b-069d-149f1f8232e9@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:44:39 -0000 On 08/04/18 01:02, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 03/08/2018 22:41, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> So, it appears, that the commands "host" and "nslookup" go directly to >> DNS server, and do not look into /etc/hosts first which I have expected. > > > host(1), dig(1), delv(1), drill(1) and nslookup(1) are all specifically > tools for doing lookups in the DNS. 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Bedford Road New York City New York 10549 United States http://onestopsmtp1.com/mw/index.php/lists/zw977r4bwh7de/unsubscribe/vn686p4k1n081/cy809clccv087 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 13 20:56:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD737107D807 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from dd14614.kasserver.com (dd14614.kasserver.com [85.13.136.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60CBB8CF30 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from [192.168.3.57] (p5496E1D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.150.225.208]) by dd14614.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68A4943C116F; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: NFS + ZFS - Base System readonly From: Philipp Vlassakakis In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:56:51 +0200 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <82BCE4D6-69DF-49E0-8648-4E9F3767D089@lists.vlassakakis.de> To: Daniel Feenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:56:55 -0000 Hi Daniel, it=E2=80=99s working, thanks. Now I still have to make some changes to the configuration files, fixing = entropy-file per host etc. but so far it looks very good.=20 Do you also use NFS? If so, what is your speed? Did you tried ZFS already? Thanks again! :) Regards, Philipp > On 13. Aug 2018, at 14:42, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Philipp Vlassakakis wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> has anyone experience in mounting a base system via PXE + NFS as = readonly and then mount ZFS datasets r/w on top of the base-system? >>=20 >> I would like to boot a basesystem (which is stored on a NFS share) = via PXE and mount ZFS-Datasets on top of that, so i can rollout specific = configs (hostname, services...) per Host and give user the ability to = edit config files (apache, mysql...) and store data on the ZFS-disks, = which will not be wiped due to a Host reboot. >=20 > We have been doing this for many years, for a score of systems. We = have a detailed description of our procedures at: >=20 > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/FreeBSD-diskless.html >=20 > It works very well for us. 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[212.159.80.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 66-v6sm22965507wmw.34.2018.08.13.14.25.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Fresh install of 11.2 hung at boot - no login prompt reached References: <6afd9eb9-982a-66e1-4641-2fe846592d92@gmail.com> From: Kaya Saman To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <6afd9eb9-982a-66e1-4641-2fe846592d92@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10da9fc7-91bc-0347-3e3b-f2643326b735@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:25:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6afd9eb9-982a-66e1-4641-2fe846592d92@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US-large Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:25:29 -0000 Just in case anyone stumbles across this with the same issue I figured out part of the problem! The reason why the system didn't get to the login prompt was simply due to the ZFS root being wrong. The mountpoint for the filesystem zroot should have been /zroot and not / . zfs get all zroot: zroot  mountpoint            /zroot                 local virtually I just cross-compared the output with a different server. Of course a few errors came up as the edited files were all in /zroot mount point now. So a quick and easy fix was to backup the /etc directory and then restore the modified one in /zroot/ ; also the /usr/local directories were all under /zroot/ too... so cp -r /zroot/usr/local across to its correct location then rebuild all @ports just in case something didn't go to plan. Unfortunately I am still getting these errors: read 264 from 384 to 0x7c0f5f80 .... until final message: error: 0x10 which seem to indicate CRC errors?? https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=boot&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+11.2-RELEASE+and+Ports Towards the bottom: *DIAGNOSTICS* When disk-related errors occur, these are reported by the second-stage bootstrap using the same error codes returned by the BIOS, for example ``Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x12345678)''. Here is a partial list of these error codes: 0x1 Invalid argument 0x2 Address mark not found 0x4 Sector not found 0x8 DMA overrun 0x9 DMA attempt across 64K boundary 0xc Invalid media 0x10 Uncorrectable CRC/ECC error 0x20 Controller failure 0x40 Seek failed 0x80 Timeout perhaps I just need to redo the bootstrap? gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada1 --K -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fresh install of 11.2 hung at boot - no login prompt reached Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 18:59:49 +0100 From: Kaya Saman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Hi, I've just performed a fresh install of 11.2: 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #0 r335510: Fri Jun 22 04:32:14 UTC 2018 Basically as I have a custom partition layout I decided to install ZFS on Root manually. # gpart show ada0 =>       40  468862048  ada0  GPT  (224G)          40       1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)        1064    2097152     2  freebsd-swap  (1.0G)     2098216   14679256        - free -  (7.0G)    16777472  233292168     3  freebsd-zfs  (111G)   250069640  218792448     4  freebsd-zfs  (104G) This is mirrored with ada1 in the zroot: # gpart show ada1 =>       40  468862048  ada1  GPT  (224G)          40       1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)        1064    2097152     2  freebsd-swap  (1.0G)     2098216   14679256        - free -  (7.0G)    16777472  233292168     3  freebsd-zfs  (111G)   250069640  218792448     4  freebsd-zfs  (104G) The zpool has been constructed as such: # zpool status zroot   pool: zroot  state: ONLINE   scan: none requested config:     NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM     zroot       ONLINE       0     0     0       mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0         ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0         ada1p3  ONLINE       0     0     0 errors: No known data errors As there seems to be little documentation on customized or manual install of ZFS on root as the installation medium partitioner utilizes the whole disk, I am a little lost! The information on the Fbsd wiki: https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/ZFSBootPartition is outdated and later steps are not relevant any more as there is no more 'sysinstall'. The steps I followed are off a thread in the forum: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/installing-freebsd-manually-no-installer.63201/ This works so long as I boot the kernel from my installation USB drive using the steps: ok unload ok load /boot/kernel/kernel ok load /boot/kernel/opensolaris.ko ok load /boot/kernel/zfs.ko <-- for me iscsi.ko, if_lagg.ko, iscsi_initiator.ko, ctl.ko, cfiscsi.ko ok set vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" ok boot Now if I try to boot directly from the system (I have already installed the kernel and issued: gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada(x) for both drives ada0 & ada1) the system I think at Boot Stage 2? following: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/boot-introduction.html comes up with: BIOS drive [...] read 264 from 384 to 0x7c0f5f80 .... until final message: error: 0x10 Then finally shows the Beastie pic with menu which I think is Stage 3? then boots the kernel. I get messages complaining about some /dev devices not being accessible or writable then it complains about not being able to read the /etc/defaults/devfs rules file. Afterwards I see the standard kernel messages until the date/time is shown after which the boot process hangs and no login prompt appears. Is there anyone who is familiar with the boot process who can help me out here....?? I'm not sure if I missed configuring something in the boot loader or if I need to map /dev to the system or something..... Anyway, it is a fresh install so nothing I think is corrupted, as the pool is fine. Just something to do with booting and loading things I think?? Many thanks in advance. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, monthly@freebsd.org, info@freebsdfoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:59:16 -0000 What happened to them? It's now approaching a year since the last effective date. While such things should be voluntarily oppurtunistic to avoid nagging, and news based, and varied in format... yet having no central open blog-ish for even the news media and non user / participant / subscriber follower space seems perhaps missing an oppurtunity to capitalize and capture therein. Nor does it seem many might browse out to the foundation domain for such news, for say the Journal... after all freebsd.org is the domain most observe, and journos / interested parties might not "subscribe" (truth: pay) to follow. Which is not to say that that isn't also an equally valid / overlapping / supplementary model. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 14 06:39:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0440E106DE61; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 06:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3248114E; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 06:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36EFFAB01A; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 06:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w7E6dbaS032078; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:39:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w7E6dbla032075; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:39:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:39:37 -0400 (EDT) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: tech-lists cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading from php56 to php72 via ports In-Reply-To: <2042d5ad-b58a-b1e3-614a-122e246ee91c@zyxst.net> Message-ID: References: <2042d5ad-b58a-b1e3-614a-122e246ee91c@zyxst.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 06:39:39 -0000 On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, tech-lists wrote: > Hello lists, > > Is there an approved method of upgrading php56 to php72? This system uses > source builds, ie the ports tree, so I guess flavours isn't available. > Context is freebsd 11.2 amd64. Portupgrade is installed. > > thanks, > -- > J. Using pkg or /usr/ports, the approved FreeBSD way is to uninstall 5.6 + extensions + other dependencies and reinstall. PHP can be coaxed into another directory, say /usr/local/lib/php72. The extensions however will only install into /usr/local/lib/php. PHP and its extentions can be installed into alternative directories using the install from php.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 14 15:56:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9508D107C2B1; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu [18.9.25.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B83D763A4; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) X-AuditID: 1209190d-897ff70000005b1d-d0-5b72fa6a7117 Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 99.64.23325.A6AF27B5; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id w7EFp5pL031878; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:51:05 -0400 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id w7EFp0Y5025266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:51:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:51:00 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, monthly@freebsd.org, info@freebsdfoundation.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Status Reports / Blog? 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I got appointed as an IETF Security Area Director, which doesn't leave enough time to keep them going. There is recognized interest in getting some form of replacement going and some efforts underway, though I am (unsurprisingly) not directly involved in them. -Ben > It's now approaching a year since the last effective date. > While such things should be voluntarily oppurtunistic to > avoid nagging, and news based, and varied in format... > yet having no central open blog-ish for even the news media > and non user / participant / subscriber follower space seems > perhaps missing an oppurtunity to capitalize and capture therein. > Nor does it seem many might browse out to the foundation > domain for such news, for say the Journal... after all freebsd.org > is the domain most observe, and journos / interested parties might > not "subscribe" (truth: pay) to follow. Which is not to say that that > isn't also an equally valid / overlapping / supplementary model. 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When I run pkg update it says that nothing is updated: # pkg -d update DBG(1)[24136]> pkg initialized Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... DBG(1)[24136]> PkgRepo: verifying update for FreeBSD DBG(1)[24136]> Pkgrepo, begin update of '/var/db/pkg/repo-FreeBSD.sqlite' DBG(1)[24136]> Fetch: fetching from: http://pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/latest/meta.txz with opts "i" DBG(1)[24136]> Fetch: fetching from: http://pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/latest/packagesite.txz with opts "i" FreeBSD repository is up to date. All repositories are up to date. My pkg config file points to "latest" not quarterly, so I expect it to update within a reasonable time. Historically, that has been every few days. Checking pkg-status.freebsd.org, my reading says that the latest build for FreeBSD 11 was completed yesterday, August 14. However, the files that pkg tries to fetch on my system were last updated August 9: # curl --head http://pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/latest/packagesite.txz HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: nginx Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:14:06 GMT Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Length: 6688548 Last-Modified: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:03:33 GMT Connection: keep-alive ETag: "5b6c65d5-660f24" Expires: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:14:06 GMT Cache-Control: max-age=0 Cache-Control: private Accept-Ranges: bytes I'm running FreeBSD 11.2-p2/amd64. My pkg config file points to the url "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest". Is something stuck in updating the public package repo? Is there some other place I should look for status about this? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 14:18:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712FE10552FE for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2f.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF0888F097 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2f.google.com with SMTP id v197-v6so910317ywg.3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:18:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=2M+8mbTv/zO9KF0g6LVK/bFIm5/RcW2DWAX1gj7vuqk=; b=kgQHqLZndIsKig26FVvVmTESgjNpWUmXfGHnr13QrAonBip0+y8+dMgkyswaabCUPH 5UZ/bZX8joCLT8CCrKYDmaW51Ok9oH5WKBNkOwS0oq7dqwuLZCcXM7PSbadU/zyOh+zd e80O0ibCcDjq3srTyq2g3MZXn8du3MdhRUqc763mvAEhT/Jo0liIWpNBDWHkXpkk6PDt 4z5OA8hQe/bHJ/OGR4pFVxQ7V/wOYtfCOkDLtgDVYbTUWC3fRUJhQ8Bh7kgWBgDcnKaS C1eW2AtkLjnX2k9932Lmjbv/ZMM7WgKpSaBJ6x3SSAA7+hxl89wSWNAacn5EIYDXMgZP xcfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=2M+8mbTv/zO9KF0g6LVK/bFIm5/RcW2DWAX1gj7vuqk=; b=txps51yLHsF7V645emm+3D7gy/K05dVb5u2m9bAWpOS1xQ9fh4fv+MnGfKWGkODafM 4R648nq2G9IgKogn16C5eN/eWWBr6dD8syKiunCgYQIhfsc0sYJfnKeXYaYdiRS5LMcz QL8ej66NNFBVJrrZPsU3z+3scvR3V8Ve6sujQfB18MIJmp+0B82M/KcnSd5Xzj955VDv 0oQlPTssb5yHOcZzzrMgEC69/s2Y3yNsLphMrhUz0qZmuBLsoKdeF15l2x9th6Y7IIvS qrcCesPFO/N8Y5Z/K/TQYZA/n0PzgX4mk1nCkSd6zPxr7kXq84p4NTKFMOJBpUR01CrH 093w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEvFWK01vYg4kCvfWQXRgBBY7tIihbtzq/BguLvruGzNqGWyvaS mmMsO7dcUNy5OQWsySn2SpOmGldJt3hUDNmxNr3NVdTc X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPychhxw8PaipFEil9bCgrOazvGbsUrap/mi5DlU/QZgSIO/iq+6Fl2OYefrJlYmkP/p/gkjTh5iNJGmbM0Q8l8= X-Received: by 2002:a25:b94c:: with SMTP id s12-v6mr13802020ybm.91.1534342726963; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:18:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:2003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: William Dudley Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: py27-certbot broken with pkg upgrade To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:18:48 -0000 I'm running 10.3. (Yes, still). Responding to security vulnerabilities email from my system, I upgraded some python packages using: pkg upgrade py27-cryptography certbot broke as a result. I upgraded py27-certbot, figuring it'd all work out: pkg upgrade py27-certbot certbot still broken. I don't know enough python to have the slightest idea how to fix this. certbot --help Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 6, in from pkg_resources import load_entry_point File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3098, in @_call_aside File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3082, in _call_aside f(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3111, in _initialize_master_working_set working_set = WorkingSet._build_master() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 575, in _build_master return cls._build_from_requirements(__requires__) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 588, in _build_from_requirements dists = ws.resolve(reqs, Environment()) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 782, in resolve raise VersionConflict(dist, req).with_context(dependent_req) pkg_resources.ContextualVersionConflict: (idna 2.7 (/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages), Requirement.parse('idna<2.6,>=2.5'), set(['requests'])) I've got a bunch of certificates and I'd very much to not lose them. How can I fix this? Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 14:54:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ACA10589CC for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E30C190D74 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com with SMTP id q129-v6so988161ywg.8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=srfKOITEjvgaV8lCweRRMAP3t+MiwW8t4UpyuJ/fens=; b=jJdVgQW0BXuUu2+qNDDnk3lPcMbWXaLI/Gpo45I2mIcdj1trtomLrpOBTUVxWY3czV TIKuA1nJZtV26NCeNeXdVezLA99NKThBoVMFAmBEic/fnLUVX0Gei5g0NmklYLiA2CiX ase9DyCd/ROfWE759wM0S8semiS3hOwvFfEvi+nXoM7K8KtH75LsPW3tALZW0wf0pglr lP/uZgz5YmhMznHSYobjUzTeRuOeFbv96evURfHGKzBgiIDuaBAzSRXRh0pe+32xZE63 E/h07gzhPpLmUcm6WW0E4bxHEDvDlTkiSEIPIlorTSSXl7q4V9BucBCCcyMrhQq2XLZG KixQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=srfKOITEjvgaV8lCweRRMAP3t+MiwW8t4UpyuJ/fens=; b=IhDW0P2W/w5z9JraP23XOU+ISxPeOqfeSEWWjZ5SttwWpId99qCVqjCifNH5cS4wuy y6LZykGTPW4h+5S0HKGeIFDsCruiyMj047miMwicHb1CRvA/vtYL/2BIXkYO6k2i8Y9x /oz1DZNVvrgimLaLG62ccRku3D8Lp634NCfjWGhoPveBiSKnPe8GwHT8NirCc7Yq3dXG Wn5uo3qfwidB04q3apCq2RVXE9UukTt9iBhXec+1mqnIVru2JL6KRSlvMtbcZ2k7p8Ww LyrhbJYDXr0wXZXISBcLCMWbOMmbfKE7hLVifME9zVyR/8/puoJsb5ZucWSEGlOzGItM 0uwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHQO1cgEulngRCvc0Kss+aiGcwW1j65kJ8lPq5tZ0AreoKwTbHW 6sbUS4vv9ol/KWE0d2R67uZhQ99Dp5gi6k2nUWbrUM6x X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPx7006t9P6QP/VtFqc6kx27UQtIlheXKdqLcuGsv7s8g0/FFk4Zu8zOZjHHHHfoJjQokpII2XxK4wIwiWYALvE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:b298:: with SMTP id k24-v6mr15173379ybj.481.1534344889981; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:2003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: py27-certbot broken with pkg upgrade To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:54:51 -0000 answering my own query, for the archives: Upgrading the rest of the python packages has solved the problem. Specificially: pkg upgrade py27-urllib3 pkg upgrade py27-requests pkg upgrade py27-pycparser pkg upgrade py27-libxml2 Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:18 AM, William Dudley wrote: > I'm running 10.3. (Yes, still). > > Responding to security vulnerabilities email from my system, I upgraded > some python > packages using: > > pkg upgrade py27-cryptography > > certbot broke as a result. > > I upgraded py27-certbot, figuring it'd all work out: > > pkg upgrade py27-certbot > > certbot still broken. I don't know enough python to have the slightest > idea how to fix this. > > certbot --help > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 6, in > from pkg_resources import load_entry_point > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", > line 3098, in > @_call_aside > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", > line 3082, in _call_aside > f(*args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", > line 3111, in _initialize_master_working_set > working_set = WorkingSet._build_master() > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", > line 575, in _build_master > return cls._build_from_requirements(__requires__) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", > line 588, in _build_from_requirements > dists = ws.resolve(reqs, Environment()) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", > line 782, in resolve > raise VersionConflict(dist, req).with_context(dependent_req) > pkg_resources.ContextualVersionConflict: (idna 2.7 > (/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages), Requirement.parse('idna<2.6,>=2.5'), > set(['requests'])) > > I've got a bunch of certificates and I'd very much to not lose them. > How can I fix this? > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 15:01:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123191058D85 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B3591214 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472D8718086 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:01:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: py27-certbot broken with pkg upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <9dde2bd8-7f77-6628-7623-4eb7778d5924@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:01:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:01:23 -0000 On 08/15/18 09:54, William Dudley wrote: > answering my own query, for the archives: > > Upgrading the rest of the python packages has solved the problem. It is always a rule of a thumb to upgrade all packages installed on your system. This is the only way to keep your software coherent if you stick to packages. If you build and install what you have from ports, then you can in most cases ignore the above. But not for the case of using binary packages. Valeri > > Specificially: > > pkg upgrade py27-urllib3 > pkg upgrade py27-requests > pkg upgrade py27-pycparser > pkg upgrade py27-libxml2 > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:18 AM, William Dudley wrote: > >> I'm running 10.3. (Yes, still). >> >> Responding to security vulnerabilities email from my system, I upgraded >> some python >> packages using: >> >> pkg upgrade py27-cryptography >> >> certbot broke as a result. >> >> I upgraded py27-certbot, figuring it'd all work out: >> >> pkg upgrade py27-certbot >> >> certbot still broken. I don't know enough python to have the slightest >> idea how to fix this. >> >> certbot --help >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 6, in >> from pkg_resources import load_entry_point >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", >> line 3098, in >> @_call_aside >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", >> line 3082, in _call_aside >> f(*args, **kwargs) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", >> line 3111, in _initialize_master_working_set >> working_set = WorkingSet._build_master() >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", >> line 575, in _build_master >> return cls._build_from_requirements(__requires__) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", >> line 588, in _build_from_requirements >> dists = ws.resolve(reqs, Environment()) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", >> line 782, in resolve >> raise VersionConflict(dist, req).with_context(dependent_req) >> pkg_resources.ContextualVersionConflict: (idna 2.7 >> (/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages), Requirement.parse('idna<2.6,>=2.5'), >> set(['requests'])) >> >> I've got a bunch of certificates and I'd very much to not lose them. >> How can I fix this? >> >> Thanks, >> Bill Dudley >> >> This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 16:29:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593A41066958 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from normanchan@hkma.com) Received: from smtp.fr.pl (smtp.fr.pl [91.224.60.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7AC9950F3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from normanchan@hkma.com) Received: from www-6.ecenter.pl (unknown [91.224.60.27]) by smtp.fr.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B9369295F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:28:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by www-6.ecenter.pl (Postfix, from userid 1091) id 887946E006F; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:16:26 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Hello... 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Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:51:04 -0000 Interesting scam. The from domain hkma.com is very old and seems legit (1999) and has no Web presence so they found a perfect cover. The reply-to is forged to a new domain hkmaonline.com which was registered last month by someone apparently in Toronto through tucows. It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that train their employees to spot these) fall for these scams every day. Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big business! On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Mr. Norman Chan wrote: > Hello, > > I want to make a Donation, reply to this email for Details. > > Mr. Norman Chan > 700 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:05:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6438106AB1F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:05:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antranigv@freebsd.am) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5520D71D91 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antranigv@freebsd.am) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id b15-v6so3422497oib.10 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd-am.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HXVwHDsTrb86TXgYAfd0kilALxuvV4jxNeNtDkz7pJc=; b=ajrzqIt2vVIPowlzYMzmW6nYqXYD8D7EvDdMPbDXZpCuN0dOwIsfQkqqAG2tXRCesd nv3+iPc9lJLKqL9VGB6hVQ5VD4dgrPo2eyjTMg0dMdDBxELb2RcKIqdkVuAExjpD2hSp 6SCK+Zrf9zvYulUORau1D+AVfnUqbYEO3hRTxUwIGlLotp8dtztCX5d4AGgJ+QhDSdCe 1yf//v78pcbjV8FG/Zf8fdOsCRoZtLo5GsL2haEDE6xyNFP3J1zsN1BWbaEt8flG1Wux y/M05/V5wyxoG8KLyY+d5dEs8+KtkAqemaCUfdQaqah80RqxwJJv1Bj1l3BdYLdRZosi jLtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HXVwHDsTrb86TXgYAfd0kilALxuvV4jxNeNtDkz7pJc=; b=SkmI78QMH1gqzN/np74XHD6z8/VQYlYmhM02p0GApVigWIzuk3htrdaHonDQQ4IS7X vVttUTvmjgrDNn9Imdi+4R3jAHyqw6oVdIIjCy9gLmN8V7LPVNA7V2+Yii/Hq26ELO6A LhoO1j/WPYyv3Ei33ytuIfopKYcpgbPz9nIW43jVm9vKEYLLPOiA4D8uRLEeZ7P3BjxU zN2R7KOa49fSS6qwwCY3gSqN5v6twbbIiDJpQVrdk44AJl5S8f7moj8W56MudPkXeMuy 5vlJNG8BH1BV5Sj5/9dGWp1mz6Va2xTSarmny1z0xReGRsocwDrqVI+7KVAuhnbKLjyQ xIwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlH89+Tt63yIEt6YQFN+Q4gI+ve5/LsFWfbvVRKxoLv6BS8uUkp2 32NEeQmUOe1mKo0cOTo0lqxhHYwv8mdu+zjEG30Fqw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPy3z6mBjGCNlAEoqaULX1m7CArMaawDr0TRuj2Ynk7L0PgKoxx4paKHfvksSmEbySapOIJWWeUcM3omY24EIoQ= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4141:: with SMTP id o62-v6mr25803503oia.24.1534356314407; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:05:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:22c8:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:05:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> From: Antranig Vartanian Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:05:14 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:05:17 -0000 I have noticed that there are a lot of scams in the mailing lists (not only FreeBSD). Is there any reason why such thing are not filtered (or maybe those do pass the filters?) On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Interesting scam. > > The from domain hkma.com is very old and seems legit (1999) and has no > Web presence so they found a perfect cover. > The reply-to is forged to a new domain hkmaonline.com which was > registered last month by someone apparently in Toronto through tucows. > > It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that > train their employees to spot these) fall for these scams every day. > Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big > business! > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Mr. Norman Chan > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I want to make a Donation, reply to this email for Details. > > > > Mr. Norman Chan > > 700 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:13:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E399106AFD3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22e.google.com (mail-vk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F1367240B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id b78-v6so97608vka.12 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:13:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Hs/FthkWcJT3xNdOLNczci8M2uhrVdy6pTDBPw0AAnE=; b=AGINOA3CUI9oJmaCHxjUcigSoxiJI2zdoD8RtGIXqWDP5wBB4E9zS/42rNzaQrpxy+ bKDcHnQQ8u7V7+1a+/rAWRI/KzCoSMm6+PTKzjtoirPGhy4NcOWjbIjeODeXg/omskQ0 hhHDB0nsW+CJSEz94GRIIRbvOBTt7+eZl+7O0vAFZFr+hdJr3CEl4z+wxY8FUdmY9Xsi B1mGptKJY8WpQ+QwIfXaUBlouSmalHCCTNL+6E0QVrWpNEixx1ay+I3lBU3vQDMAE4wY boVDRyC1Ga4Mq/fwmbl14hB3ejx8WOkN9XbnUOEzeex7vNCIIobXmeXnpwWY9OmLrMOH 49GQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Hs/FthkWcJT3xNdOLNczci8M2uhrVdy6pTDBPw0AAnE=; b=rZMnyOSmWXs2xRvozGKLlkJJURu0lhl2jWDZPwLL1uB+h4BXHMc7F4espOB4/dDuit J3ZjlkJXFA2ruuIHcSO8PlUmWRA7bJ4Ks9Jpq8ezmtFwvtE9zAJHJKwz3CbAEEdBfjFu sOGpJgJIcXc3OmGUNJx9HTpNaZc5HdB5LPu139/9PQZWKDDyKII58aCN/o6QSUAP7Kj5 enfQEOk3BWzOVMfwegUcy9q+a9f3Q1ztdFJr1MXo5MqNNMcCL33QdKR6+5jSu7ZyxUcY AKHltglOXmbPo7vvg7db1+qx5HOwXhSh6Kr/dwlh+aEjm+6x5vjiDCVpgq7HmFS7CMi6 tMYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEdLffchsamvUOicIm31XdYpSGqkUydxWVV9MgZhvlifLF1ki13 w+l13gEFKESAQjgvdXfZy9w0bYBOUPOpZqwN9Hbk+BO9WzE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPxeUjnMbCZikjs4NYwmhHu6slju1bwO5aqzWuL6kMv8Y0Z0W4oKsbb3fh4qavRPtPZL/MsL95AzLdNjTXAsJJw= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:5c7:: with SMTP id 190-v6mr17536730vkf.47.1534356801616; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:2f0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: Antranig Vartanian Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:13:22 -0000 It's a controversial topic so expect some heated debate. or not. Mailing lists are really hard to maintain so it's just easier to erase all the spam and scams which are not really that many at least on this list. On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Antranig Vartanian wrote: > I have noticed that there are a lot of scams in the mailing lists (not only > FreeBSD). > Is there any reason why such thing are not filtered (or maybe those do pass > the filters?) > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Alejandro Imass > wrote: >> >> Interesting scam. >> >> The from domain hkma.com is very old and seems legit (1999) and has no >> Web presence so they found a perfect cover. >> The reply-to is forged to a new domain hkmaonline.com which was >> registered last month by someone apparently in Toronto through tucows. >> >> It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that >> train their employees to spot these) fall for these scams every day. >> Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big >> business! >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Mr. Norman Chan >> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I want to make a Donation, reply to this email for Details. >> > >> > Mr. Norman Chan >> > 700 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:22:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0277B106B3F6 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9040672A97 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fq0Qt-0007Ta-2V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:22:11 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fq0Qs-0006g4-VI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:22:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:22:10 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:22:20 -0000 El día Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 01:51:02PM -0400, Alejandro Imass escribió: > ... > > It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that > ... > Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big > business! IT-educated people do not top-post. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ 📱 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 13. August 2018: Manchmal möchte ich nun einen AUSREISEANTRAG stellen. August 13, 2018: Sometimes I'd like to ask for an exit permission now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:28:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03559106B65C for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 997D072E55 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1534357702; x=1536949702; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=EYW30uPC+FEliBZOslvXfcBwnYbVw52/rossc+aneWM=; b=JEDRd4nIY1wdePQM6jaFvkw06iOsctWiB1p2rpdFjJjbwRqYyBRmXX3YIimu34SVJF63jKMpZ+Pe5Aaz6w70YWj0r7uCLecjYxrnrL5RTzgV51qK+ys91kJtXth6/TG+Qyv3eIHJp/KfWz9rEbTSBe9i1rd5eJcKzYmKcrNUwrQ= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOTkwMDAwMDAwM2E0OGIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:28:05 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:28:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fq0WU-000Fmw-Oz; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:27:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:27:57 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Alejandro Imass Cc: Antranig Vartanian , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Hello... Message-Id: <20180815192757.77f9c43a1cdd50d12acd19ae@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:28:22 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:13:21 -0400 Alejandro Imass wrote: > It's a controversial topic so expect some heated debate. or not. > Mailing lists are really hard to maintain so it's just easier to erase > all the spam and scams which are not really that many at least on this > list. Reminds me of a bank response to an audit revealing a vulnerability that if exploited would allow almost unlimited mischief - the response was yes we know about that one, securing against it would cost more than our total fraud losses so we're not going to. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:30:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FCA106B7AA for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x92d.google.com (mail-ua1-x92d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86F8873057 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x92d.google.com with SMTP id m13-v6so2145898uaq.7 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qa0gmhdfod5EWryn3HiSkbWH8tKB90HuT61nhDChrQA=; b=N+Zov7g1N7czboIS86+6gvGFEu0m/mgNc4o4fBqHv1/kSAnFWSUlVpYknPA9xai+pb 6atT29Khft8ILsBccG0AWg/Wg3y1Rt1edcV4O0RpnEK9aSAYVPrB/ggKfeYrgRC4Wv21 r3H5iypHyqWEYoa8AcXN2KDsT43Z9v89Sr8zUZs0iGe5Eocs1jWzLUICTvKwFT+lZ+sI +p4TC9qArc3XWjvgl4JjDwp6apjTpuKr+zPfR79hzCgfe1VgK9eruE10p7Zw2dMr8oZ8 /PyqLHUMG320gFe38+l1GH4vYLAiicpfrNhICjfbDgtGymH8zTsVtQsgaodk6AGPScGC x6Kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qa0gmhdfod5EWryn3HiSkbWH8tKB90HuT61nhDChrQA=; b=mWeW4fWk1A5+z8UfElEyQr9fAdqMWpaP7tddpfAn1iMEeh1VU44tvXrgJ/G5jvVOVq UtssgtqCs3XsNfCFm1OhiJzO2ddLWfGNV5yLuh+iT5b8WIDHTX+iQka5fYbif0qejoWk VQ/VpWAgFyk4/NfnQsZpwMuCKEQDagiEJ6kSj9pEhpa/V6PNdhJX78oVpeU97OsLbjwD PzgJu9+AGixBsJKY/URVw8/KYh5LVen9AXGwrJ7p4d2GOQkfHtEz7OzWNhWcOytte7D6 zNpQdbFCgyYjqM1yt7v3K3x8ZVgn6lDuQS3WR8bi+EW7iTjg7DUpdcoHzUJTYssc8HwD c0qA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGWQ64aGYLq1QuUgJEq+mSGxzfwMjljXLBAS8Az+3WIWDPbrVcO ZOSxRY8NJLeNNIPd03epwX6kAWP3nMrwW+Bag6r/4s0egYMwIA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPwF73RcVUr+xkunBQHWwxhNnFF7RzgaHynG33Kc0JwrCfxVLJ26qDe8fyICllND/Zl44C3Hg8wBoAnQ/Oisrmg= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:53db:: with SMTP id l27-v6mr17603308uaa.194.1534357823074; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:2f0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:30:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:30:24 -0000 Nobody is religious about top posting anymore and most MUAs don't support it nor in-line editing either. get over it it's almost 2020 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 01:51:02PM -0400, Alejandro = Imass escribi=C3=B3: > >> ... >> >> It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that >> ... >> Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big >> business! > > IT-educated people do not top-post. > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea= .de/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > 13. August 2018: Manchmal m=C3=B6chte ich nun einen AUSREISEANTRAG stelle= n. > August 13, 2018: Sometimes I'd like to ask for an exit permission now. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:35:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06934106BBA2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x231.google.com (mail-vk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 948CA735A9 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:35:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id o82-v6so130574vko.8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0aG1icqumyr/KyMjQjfrIp5DuhZpLW/S8Tc/QzllqEk=; b=ziDILKbLlTv7ABbaaCRPtL8LlcN6pzdL8I2c9zevYzgxHSJ80SUQboZVDXOAaa4sPG /cSwMyoIC+zYl87s5RhJnDQztTOw6dLw+mAbq9WskcnTAVJ/DgDyJhSSr0fvKPhLXwVs 8tsq7SAb4E8dPbLTbbsLMwP40wM7cijW2B0UeuXcjNkagw7YdeTJPajw2nzKyOdLa8ma 0mqCveubDwq4/DSP603gGFPLtmaXhM3XMQs9gpmY7CaTpn7fLgIifH8EYwhQu947js2B 4lNwJtVRUk3vgAHesYyuWHb94wjlPev2GObbswR2IwJ0YyIKkINzsHoJweuipvttnU/M EYxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0aG1icqumyr/KyMjQjfrIp5DuhZpLW/S8Tc/QzllqEk=; b=li7XInijz4Vc7fJlo64gI9k1RtUKlunk5T6EEPGEC/YK7lqhTnQ0UAscadPbTEpG9Z 5tm2G1H+FE4JDkpg0vg79FCsM9PW1+sbPSNtfeam3KhilFmdkqgkB4Y3zB5VIzg8QgmJ so9Ztp6V5BNDFlS/AV3mlB+i7bQH1AdrbQtT0DnMgD/S8rX18OHuHATYs4WJ1i1cKAxy k+nBIjQCv6cs3g29BQk8l9Vhw6nedbkZ1TPeeZ4XVoI+tcwL5mT239hXPZLzO3UrvZkW MhlC+EmDYODBVcffrNbCxkzZO3VMQ6f1qDUsrPWwn7jvu1swHDni86F1vp5PERqzj31B vD1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHW2v+3wRh1DDadS9zNZv25CtNmTrA+xa2swJirtwgVhIohBsBx 6dC9h8rbHO8dfPXGLbAUe/sXIurVTr9B6mG24/bfWE3l+OY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPzb3jbe4CS05L8DNO05CyCEe7lbdNRfHyvDCJm2wtc5rewx//U1HVRcWRf97/qqvVSQgzeu+RgE0vHSLs4eQYs= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:dc3:: with SMTP id 186-v6mr2392440vkn.103.1534358112815; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:2f0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180815192757.77f9c43a1cdd50d12acd19ae@sohara.org> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815192757.77f9c43a1cdd50d12acd19ae@sohara.org> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:35:14 -0000 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:13:21 -0400 > Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> It's a controversial topic so expect some heated debate. or not. >> Mailing lists are really hard to maintain so it's just easier to erase >> all the spam and scams which are not really that many at least on this >> list. > > Reminds me of a bank response to an audit revealing a vulnerability > that if exploited would allow almost unlimited mischief - the response was > yes we know about that one, securing against it would cost more than our > total fraud losses so we're not going to. > bottom posting not to feed the trolls anyway, your point is exactly it. bottom line is a cost benefit analysis much the same way fraudsters think too. you can spend a tons securing your systems but we don't pay our sysadmins enough money so they are much more easily corruptible and cheaper than trying to hack your way in from the outside. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:57:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D49106C342 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33CA874094 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fq0yd-000808-0x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:57:03 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fq0yc-0002yx-UE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:57:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:57:02 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:57:06 -0000 El día Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 02:30:22PM -0400, Alejandro Imass escribió: > Nobody is religious about top posting anymore and most MUAs don't > support it nor in-line editing either. Then I suggest: use another MUA and not Google mail. > get over it it's almost 2020 And in 2020, true will be false, or what? matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ 📱 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 13. August 2018: Manchmal möchte ich nun einen AUSREISEANTRAG stellen. August 13, 2018: Sometimes I'd like to ask for an exit permission now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 19:03:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C082106C76A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:03:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1010A74540 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: Received: from hokkshideh.dream-tech.com (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.4]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w7FJ0SBK078397 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:00:28 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815120028.4e90ebf2@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 5.1) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.1 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:03:34 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:30:22 -0400 Alejandro Imass wrote: > Nobody is religious about top posting anymore This is not true at all. A fair number of older sysadm ... er IT people are quite religious about this practice. Perhaps the lack of observable religion in your case stems from the idea that older people tend to refrain from witnessing their religion more often than younger ones? Neither methodology appears more "correct" to me. Top posting gets to the reply quicker, but bottom posting preserves the conversation flow in what is considered by some to be a logical manner. The real problem here is the religion of it, not the posting habits or preferences themselves. > get over it it's almost 2020 Your implied assertion that "newer is always better" is a fallacy. You'll also note that I try to address my comments to the phrase you typed that is relevant. This is the real benefit to quoting someone else: making sure your replies are in context. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< It is no accident that those cultures which most strongly and often affirm the value and individuality of people are the ones which do the most towards automatizing people. 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To: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:05:23 -0000 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 02:30:22PM -0400, Alejandro = Imass escribi=C3=B3: > >> Nobody is religious about top posting anymore and most MUAs don't >> support it nor in-line editing either. > > Then I suggest: use another MUA and not Google mail. > >> get over it it's almost 2020 > > And in 2020, true will be false, or what? > Man, if you can't beat them then adapt or die. I was religious about this shit too but only to discover the ignorant assholes are making all the money so screw that. If the mainstream MUAs are not following, and it's not just Google, it's Apple Mail, Outlook and many more, so if the mailing list archives can't deal with change then it's the latter's fault and they will just fade away. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 19:21:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B16C106CD88 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2EE474D9F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [89.204.130.3] (helo=[10.59.238.3]) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fq1Lh-0003Qu-4Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:20:53 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Subject: Re: Hello... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:20:53 +0200 User-Agent: Dekko/0.6.20; Qt/5.4.1; ubuntumirclient; Linux; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.130.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:21:02 -0000 On Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:05:21 CEST, Alejandro Imass=20 wrote: > .... > Man, if you can't beat them then adapt or die. I was religious about > this shit too but only to discover the ignorant assholes are making > all the money so screw that. If the mainstream MUAs are not following, > and it's not just Google, it's Apple Mail, Outlook and many more, so > if the mailing list archives can't deal with change then it's the > latter's fault and they will just fade away. In the last reply I used mutt as MUA. now Dekko on my Ubuntu smartphone.=20 Both do correct quoting fine. It's your fault using a bad MUA. matthias --=20 Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 19:25:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC983106D25B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x92e.google.com (mail-ua1-x92e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485C5752C2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x92e.google.com with SMTP id c12-v6so2249778uan.3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:25:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=p2QN7aYYkYl8Klpfes4vRfUPdpirD/8/SCt1/r1YSVo=; b=SorShildpiCRkppla1V+ttCrrF1masQm9vIniZKVKc79ubOR14N/VD5LiQaZaCIBx0 n5wpmEMtdPi9toTO8NOZehHoye/sFjPSq3OCd4VEq0e5gAdqvpcfp3rBytWmWCRaUeEZ p60AZ8qQZ6rh12o10WLIvtEG7La/5KtIOh3sgkmBwES0oOzJbwr1LjuwRofwIXrMrUa2 04riX4vQUu+jLrQb+2CuuC7zKuSAC01xQRd27tW4hsjPXr89QJwLMDUWtp93syj+4e9F BMHZ6qkMCCC9QH5fP38OF9BV2x6AM95Wch/kxUU9jEx67vaYRpR148lU+NBYKDPzw3rR c++A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=p2QN7aYYkYl8Klpfes4vRfUPdpirD/8/SCt1/r1YSVo=; b=mqTHYsfIcKmU+O7Eat9aOBHekG/6Z52lMF7Hvt1VVpVj4ZM6yb5ReP9vkkAfetAPux zhJYmLpgqMipZUToE0U0vTZNEvg6TS+eE58umhgFEfqd5qcYX18iS3j/7nss/a1jFnkZ 3TPyLOMiOflNYyT9nNmyMFcKSsmQIF9ao9O/xL3Rz/4IP4klgkhWy+Ve+aTmKgs7UsAa xotWZk/Skaw2h1nsxjKKhf6KkgZoU96Qew5zxcsA89AImqXjMK3Iot3NgVfQSWM5rQPY p/JxieyuyWTY9oRRcyOfcTRKYPS7GwGsjlMcBdCaqV9NtywDtKtLzCLAZO0iDnLeh8YU xJUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGFtyNGwsSiOBgSXaLTwhL+p+2M0QfBGGlUyIjtgHbdAs28a/r4 RL4nFrrBTjePEIui5wVssULpjju/ghmhospa72yYHILUETtktw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPw/xmcuBJ7U4AhmhZDC1Gj3CjOuGF3XEDGw2F+BHsdkAX4NHS16vPeg5RYkAe62+vOUam+w9MtAJG7dJY1gFKY= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:3d1a:: with SMTP id l26-v6mr17780384uai.29.1534361110652; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:25:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:2f0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:25:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180815120028.4e90ebf2@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815120028.4e90ebf2@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:25:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:25:11 -0000 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:30:22 -0400 > Alejandro Imass wrote: >> Nobody is religious about top posting anymore > > This is not true at all. A fair number of older sysadm ... er IT people > are quite religious about this practice. Perhaps the lack of > observable religion in your case stems from the idea that older people > tend to refrain from witnessing their religion more often than younger > ones? > No. I am an older sysadmin as well and just tired of going against the tide for religious customs that are mostly tied to past technological limitations. [..] >> get over it it's almost 2020 > > Your implied assertion that "newer is always better" is a fallacy. > That is not my implied assertion. What I am saying is that you cannot force the whole world to follow some dogmatic practice when the rest of the world is moving in another direction. Unless of course, you want to retire being a grumpy old timer that no one listens to. > You'll also note that I try to address my comments to the phrase you > typed that is relevant. This is the real benefit to quoting someone > else: making sure your replies are in context. Contextual answer is mostly useful on a technical or long discussion. For a quick general response, a top post is actually clearer. Anyway, this is not the first and certainly not the last holy war on mailing list nettiquete. My point is that these dogmatic norms need serious revision and adaptation to new trends in technology. People using smartphones and tablets generally don't have the luxury of neither bottom posting nor contextual answering, so what? we should stick to antiquated practices and ignore the vast majority of newer users on these devices? Really? good luck with that. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 19:37:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A652106DF1B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x92f.google.com (mail-ua1-x92f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFB2E771FE for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x92f.google.com with SMTP id w7-v6so2251891uan.9 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=w4CZBPEoVcYpr1arq+oJpQNa8U+GpbewJOTCwG7shLI=; b=yxMr0cSmShMv1MHh8TyCO8u7m2iIsAWJZteAPQS5mPPhes0DQVdImWDmnJtSQ1uKm0 Gq60pH/6DeBBKldSOM9TDtevsM/t4EXzp6IBrsnoNAFoOQhU+H0+ShCM+q5Ne6mvVz+O Uwbl669z/inwOtvJlCVd5H+5StUfdcQ0CdVTCflVh0/SCn9J3rmnULUhfNzNnaNrxniX pCDUdYRfEMMmWCYvTjMR+Lu+aSBYd3FyZKvWacUwvuukj6eZ4Tqn9BdwmIC43ZItvuyA XbxDjm6yhfqOEltXsKWbUQHLEizGvbn5ctBoMeJ1AL/SZyv5kCBbHW3DmCVmCCx92gEL 3PPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=w4CZBPEoVcYpr1arq+oJpQNa8U+GpbewJOTCwG7shLI=; b=a7b/VSSN0A6djdU9+8nY1VLiZcbuuP3bzQ1yn/+Jynj5kdZ8VX52nAWS7mPfqXWsUD NI7HpKEroN5Zv/2w6fuIKmUDLv9CGeB6lKLtM9B5O4N+9L6+IY2E9gJvubUsetxdf87D Hy2PDcLrzLnmPzLNhGgya6u8lLcAqJP5VyGBRZI9z1BZnPjhESOAabLxN5B6SowabUEb MozHthVjIDnEtrE3/dB952TAZgQdOGU1c0QMn+Uf0Quj18MqGJCKOixRaaDvz78D+73w gw4g+5Fd2SuuV7o1mauSph66vUxy9Oi905l0rcWVMoFjvNcyQwDh5j08FetgZfgx43nt 4BZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFCNhCPfnIQEAomm+jPNljqqQoZ97UHvVy8YblbmOK5ZXQ8UfmR zYu/7RE4aWZ+UmR6Exsd8OCgiSWb+Cbs9ZBZQ7G8Jw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPzCIXARlExH83Ziv7tEIzH3PpzWTnQQ+WJnwWqUEVDR5rO9czz46ZOJLRAF6Fq3lm19G+g9MEtsbiofztKXMzE= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:4a10:: with SMTP id q16-v6mr17716767uae.98.1534361835526; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:2f0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:37:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:37:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: Matthias Apitz Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:37:16 -0000 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > On Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:05:21 CEST, Alejandro Imass > wrote: >> >> .... >> Man, if you can't beat them then adapt or die. I was religious about >> this shit too but only to discover the ignorant assholes are making >> all the money so screw that. If the mainstream MUAs are not following, >> and it's not just Google, it's Apple Mail, Outlook and many more, so >> if the mailing list archives can't deal with change then it's the >> latter's fault and they will just fade away. > > > In the last reply I used mutt as MUA. now Dekko on my Ubuntu smartphone. > Both do correct quoting fine. It's your fault using a bad MUA. Ok, you win. I respect your point of view but I don't agree. This is the kind of idiosyncrasy that has allowed AWS, Linux, Java, PHP etc. to take over the world and leave great things like FreeBSD, Perl and other great long time technologies behind. The world is about eye candy and our refusal to change and adapt is what's hurting or perhaps even killing these great projects. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 19:41:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06613106E222 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB96775E5 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25FB718093 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:41:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Hello... To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815120028.4e90ebf2@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:41:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180815120028.4e90ebf2@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:41:43 -0000 On 08/15/18 14:00, Dave Hayes wrote: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:30:22 -0400 > Alejandro Imass wrote: >> Nobody is religious about top posting anymore > > This is not true at all. A fair number of older sysadm ... er IT people > are quite religious about this practice. Wow, that apparently disqualifies me from "older sysadmins". I do avoid top posting on mail lists (just respecting other people point of view that someone may be reading just this message). I do, however, have my reply to all other mail exchanges above everything, that is what the recipient needs to read when gets that message: what I am writing this time. Valeri > Perhaps the lack of > observable religion in your case stems from the idea that older people > tend to refrain from witnessing their religion more often than younger > ones? > > Neither methodology appears more "correct" to me. Top posting > gets to the reply quicker, but bottom posting preserves the > conversation flow in what is considered by some to be a logical manner. > > The real problem here is the religion of it, not the posting habits or > preferences themselves. > >> get over it it's almost 2020 > > Your implied assertion that "newer is always better" is a fallacy. > > You'll also note that I try to address my comments to the phrase you > typed that is relevant. This is the real benefit to quoting someone > else: making sure your replies are in context. > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 20:03:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B43106EC1B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic310-13.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic310-13.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82889786C8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: ffoDo1QVM1nvK1Kvk_vX1rKlMameowaPOglNv9DlHcuIHwm12uhmnhR_I8eiKJn 7s50zjIdG3Kqz2p.EXEvqNwiLOpxU0lBszv0..3t1Ttrd7uPWhfvK2D3waKWgB0plHKZj9.s3vXJ qEVD1U_jiiRjs3DIxGmPRAhTvuru2Jlmw5p9QpsB3dDI7YmUBQnRKYYXYjM5vPd_1PO9JoUSmV4D w4FcO4kYz06G4WiMj8aAWoqSC3kZf3PhO3OLbGr68CxqpPn1gdxIl43Xx.KzO45dT0Czpc.JYd8C yQLRF0gxC1qJ_9CTD0W0OJckrDxd6HcXpjNplPwh.GnDS4qXs7hDYGJJPzM6LY2n_IWrayyUMXd_ Qjz7kle7zdf.QnJE3CBEMSIQfT7rss6W4brrIMOYjN9fUKw74xbehssysJyWL5hqKMpSvvoyyGO8 I4dfW0xQxQm3khL_JSu0hqcuNArjE4zDaMvjR5BkAWyI_WF5fglZHaFOejMIVmEAEXDdt5f40E98 Zft6d1oLXSos77MwE4J7OiRSeAn7MQjIktqZDSdeIjOmk4FScB_iOJfNiPGwf0C551e6YwgJlslr byY8FxyUhZZ7t8liU6vIOLOabgTKuMi6jCW9r7xi5pubPMJ0V8r3BQ52eDjFUPOZCer7DNJS7I_q W4CZ.CzkTX7YIEi0QVh4sqG4HvbKxuEiNmNPcbIOwLyjEWhlIqkGcTnnQj1SV0K9.KdIO97o1N.x AapoKo6l7UynhdlRsuvqg2upS_BOoOD8Ykx5Ls1VaqXRCH8X10Qvon397VCXhvciTKZ65iuSubW5 XlTc2_khPhYXwnHTtX.zhP2NtbaE3t97.oTLMJp06lyegO9gKW9vGCt5yE.MWWyA5r91pW4GA2zU 8QDRGBfWjme4X9NiqH_89yxwNvay.z9VBr55hJcF50duS6b2qFJ.L_uIVHzMxYXewR1au06yx_lt GGunLheLvJ3cSoMmA5iO53rMl.gtjY8ZeXNweTZh1aamNc_D.uxQGlfGB3bKM3RevWTbvaulogi0 fbWveMg0- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:36 +0000 Received: from x5ce1f24a.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([92.225.242.74]) by smtp410.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d5ab2d6db75f174d3116f53a76cc4842 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:53:28 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815215328.7345a809@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git213 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:39 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:05:21 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: >Man, if you can't beat them then adapt or die. I was religious about >this shit too but only to discover the ignorant assholes are making >all the money so screw that. If the mainstream MUAs are not following, >and it's not just Google, it's Apple Mail, Outlook and many more, so >if the mailing list archives can't deal with change then it's the >latter's fault and they will just fade away. This time I could resist to reply to the junk mail topic and I even was able to ignore the posting style topic for a while, but please stop swearing. Some of us, including myself, sometimes offend netiquette. No hard feelings! While we're on it, interleaved posting and bottom posting is preferred on most, if not all mailing lists related to FLOSS operating systems and mailing lists for software written for those operating systems. I'm not aware of any MUA for those operating systems, that doesn't provide bottom posting as the default for replies. Indeed, if I use my iPad I need to move the cursor to the bottom, which isn't really hard to do, let alone that trimming quotes and interleave posting anyway is what most of the times is done, so the default position of the cursor most of the times is irrelevant. On FLOSS MUA mailing lists, e.g. Evolution, subscribers sometimes mention bugs of proprietary MUAs, e.g. Outlook Express, and they ask the developers of the FLOSS MUAs to fix issues caused by those bugs by mails sent from the proprietary MUAs, instead of reporting the bug to upstream of the proprietary MUAs. Instead of adapting something wrong and complaining at the wrong place, consider to send a feature request to the right addressee. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 20:46:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3600F1070007 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:46:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic307-7.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic307-7.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B4E27AB08 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: FhPN7o0VM1n_jGOqecfQ64mgI.VIXczpxZgcL4V7XZF7G0Smp1volpn_M1KHywk Xlc_w.bdizaDf_KQnc6x1M3c7pvpzhkKUaeKph9dxDnfP3.lMO1uSBoiq0kxiHfeiV3Li1OoEKO6 wGgHPFW0kOMr1_mmLrNmhbXHyQXRA_C3UDT9PLw9o98dx7ITotoAoHMnJDFQytBkfRRXyT2wV8_v OcfueGrjjpB6reFRr5gR9GdxIwCFj_Dv8OXYF1vNtN0nPKiNRVtwVMZNryZcRhQvCDJ9gdwVobNM 0Eq46ljCHTfJDmZylDQDEfs_E54KKUgjdNRzuUt2qWUMXI1wrQhBbvR8fRpx1pWCkI8b6__5x4to OYfKlYBWzmdbn6WNzNMsdY8QAGf8eQyCywIeaqVbnK1NDpZ0kRhj.fcdZpw3dE6xTCRAZGu1SUpw 66is9xpKljvWEpQXqg12lA4VxFRkIM2V9995GQFHL3T_9nmO1WikJVyXfW8BgzUOegpr7pI_MDoq 9t.KEtt4Qj6UpftVacy_VA3xQMpJtHG6NzX62Eq7GBFuKDMNhyCnRKwbNuKC7fsY6HYfDNgjKW2r bOJA3_xa6kn.kSjvJSSh4jEiOUiT8JFyTXfXimELUENBmQ6FDq50.ecCCEbwsQ_XQ8TziIIX2wrh MFEhQwFJJGCzlWG48IE3iuPejdKFbQKOZKUici4vu9dBGLsCVSA.zqz43xqObytqMvWCtkrGov.q bZAKl0dJylgicKXS8BxheA5DGz__0xyvpoeF1BHDHQASCtEd1vgdqTr2BMfka8.RP5vJw6PiAFEt a3_vg0kQsAEnwy1En9pCMigg2nHjssnmL1OuhWo8kq843x71XfukVwHtNCczmjKRp7LEAg6Ad2XJ ccXlMzCwsYXgnbfy3jMa1MRO6Vol3fbkG1FajLHw1eQj6DIBhtJK7Q9uQRYpsH_1SfGb74QuoMUO rhQl.19hd9dZ07_jAh2rrGLeBSu3K_a.wD4bkl2R2ijznLXUPOgFL70uqfEEeIUw3BsRIUCLFgJa hvpQ6AIM- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:46:34 +0000 Received: from x5ce1f24a.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([92.225.242.74]) by smtp415.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a53513b943823450046c7d296b74e4d1 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:36:25 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815223625.250e2896@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git213 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:46:36 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:37:14 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: >Ok, you win. I respect your point of view but I don't agree. >This is the kind of idiosyncrasy that has allowed AWS, Linux, Java, >PHP etc. to take over the world and leave great things like FreeBSD, >Perl and other great long time technologies behind. >The world is about eye candy and our refusal to change and adapt is >what's hurting or perhaps even killing these great projects. You blame other to be "religious", but actually I haven't read something that dogmatic as your claim for a long time, let alone that it's manipulative. Make up your mind. Is FreeBSD great or is it behind the times? Different proprietary as well as different FLOSS operating systems have their pros and cons. Not one of them is usable for everything. You are using exaggerations, such as "killing", this implies that asking for bottom posting on this mailing list is asking for killing FreeBSD. I can't take you seriously. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 21:00:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798E110706E2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E93F67B59C for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hokkshideh.dream-tech.com (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.4]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w7FL0KGm085595 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:00:20 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815140020.435ac9b8@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815120028.4e90ebf2@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 5.1) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.1 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:00:23 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:25:10 -0400 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:30:22 -0400 > > Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> get over it it's almost 2020 > > > > Your implied assertion that "newer is always better" is a fallacy. > > > > That is not my implied assertion. I'm fairly sure you didn't mean to imply that. Nevertheless, the implication is there to be read. > What I am saying is that you cannot force the whole world to follow > some dogmatic practice when the rest of the world is moving in another > direction. That's a statement that does convey your sentiment clearer. However, I daresay many of us here are not moving with the "rest of the world", or (e.g.) we'd be using Windows. So perhaps this is an inappropriate audience for that sentiment? :) > Unless of course, you want to retire being a grumpy old > timer that no one listens to. In general, I have observed that people do not listen ... period. This is despite the age, emotional state, credentials, or experience of the speaker. Most people fail to listen to themselves, why would anyone expect that they would actually listen to someone else? > My point is that these dogmatic norms need serious revision and > adaptation to new trends in technology. I would agree, but only if that change comes from one's own perspective and not the perspective of peer pressure. I have been trying to convince people that convincing people of anything is futile...but somehow my efforts in this regard are not working at all. ;) > People using smartphones and tablets generally don't have the luxury > of neither bottom posting nor contextual answering, so what? we should > stick to antiquated practices and ignore the vast majority of newer > users on these devices? Really? good luck with that. If you are talking about technological trends, one could also call into question the practice of giving the masses smaller, less usable devices under the pretense of reducing entry cost. These devices, you'll note, simply rose in price until they are about the same cost as the devices they replaced. Of course, this is another topic entirely. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< The treasure house within you contains everything, and you are free to use it. You don't need to seek outside. 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:08:16 -0000 Dave Hayes(dave@jetcafe.org)@2018.08.15 14:00:20 -0700: > I have been trying to convince people that convincing people of > anything is futile...but somehow my efforts in this regard are not > working at all. ;) > I'm convinced. -karl From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 23:28:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA80110740F7 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D984826C9 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 48075 invoked by uid 110); 15 Aug 2018 23:22:02 -0000 Received: from ool-43549577.dyn.optonline.net (HELO desktop1) (simon@optinet.com@67.84.149.119) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2018 23:22:02 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Karl Young" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:22:07 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;3) In-Reply-To: <20180815210813.GH13174@mailboy.kipshouse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:28:44 -0000 Life's too short to worry about top or bottom of an email! learn to pick battles wisely :) PS: toilet paper should be front-facing ;) On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:08:13 -0700, Karl Young wrote: >Dave Hayes(dave@jetcafe.org)@2018.08.15 14:00:20 -0700: >> I have been trying to convince people that convincing people of >> anything is futile...but somehow my efforts in this regard are not >> working at all. ;) >> >I'm convinced. >-karl Life's too short to worry about top or bottom of an email! learn to pick battles wisely :) PS: toilet paper should be front-facing ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 23:43:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E77610746D0 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D345830F2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.8.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Md4Fu-1fZ6Yo02La-00IG6j; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:43:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:43:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Hello... Message-Id: <20180816014323.b6325a66.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YYUlv4+uGiSsBdxY+UjvKOxAqtSTYgoQMe6oMWRAwpuUvT/1vt1 sXmX5nK9DBPbMGo/juSiRIOYNmneC8earaPYGgyMmXIXRrFYBYEO1nWqsfKT92mXmHCHL58 9gKiJ/v/5EQ7Opx1VjgAdR6H51KhpDShQ0HWf7E43GZwPoZHlrHSbaWU0XBsZbab7hTyUyb 7x6pi67vBvaXlkmGxxlfA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:nRENm90CaVg=:j2Jrg9+ZMmiTAHzt+ZpT1+ BoCvemEtfzu1ygEGCR6sMjHEPYQw7FhnDwzt/0E9BqAy13IP99yJq/L56SRisOz7hrkHBXsDq a1lPfkqd0leUq4vtjSZy0+OUixtxR4Lxmm4P11nrpB8K2K6ButJfSsc7FxP5jhE14KuqKLMqK 42iYFmP9rZVnNYJsk93S9Efzlr/fROstnlnMfjQQdG6Evd8qBewn7ADbCmsDtdLY9BMyg/jYv BkQll5ZY91147/7XRLVXweQmQ8N459J5GERhiuVVgqJpmhdPS8RwljIhEm/bfWafp3zri7Qan dLMqrEhyLFHmgbioM6CPgw/YGtOSLzkaR8YrMMS/G2ywx5JBY0jNOQmZQ/sUD0aMMXIhepEQb cKdR+o2ee2Q0pHz2ZZ56QBrol0HzsRw4bOKNXRQEqcjs3E4i3nFqrkb8f6itfjHkq389fuFyv lKaO5zYM+ImIgM/0mQEVkKYam1g8Qx1LtYU6kecgndIfz2ZmCi4x7vcGqAAg0R2JzuV29mv4A 6QpdsJ7JhdhoZTU3zQs/UQeo6yLVPmYoMKrojXfI8zYBJrQw0hPX+XLwdJJbn5sUb5t8GSg5l 4cN8ocGb8Rr48jfBa70NDPHwtE1JV9qqDXpq4rcKGdh5z8iv4ZCfedOXfdukRGy0yTWkPoj7l w/q8fymo5wN91kNXUi4cqdzbN4rO7Sus1n1vFQEMlV4v5eAedPlCqUlILW92NsGnMA6wG7uk6 +8vezb5k3esiL98A X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:43:33 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:57:02 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 02:30:22PM -0400, Alejandro Ima= ss escribi=F3: >=20 > > Nobody is religious about top posting anymore and most MUAs don't > > support it nor in-line editing either. >=20 > Then I suggest: use another MUA and not Google mail. >=20 > > get over it it's almost 2020 >=20 > And in 2020, true will be false, or what? No, that will happen in 1984. :-) Remember: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Top-posting. What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? And: Yes. Are you sure? Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Why is top posting frowned upon? See: http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 23:47:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993C6107482F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic308-12.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic308-12.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.187.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34A03832B4 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: hkj3yvwVM1kY67WpwfuPbErKYYhC7wm8kBCufJGSrz_bBnk_.oppmbh6IM6OUJd HY5P02IHiMXRz.ycEsVUl0jS7rKXOeHAYNSemol3kTc__tnK39GOTOvDP.qr8Spp8hwarRPDXSbI vCQjsfUA2OFwRkqNo9wbBnnQ6fHnmKquKlsNvcjc8mGR04ithBFs3eWyX3BL.rhbl22yobq4d7n5 EjQaeNl2hZ84g0yopn8Nsquhn_MOhjaHz3g.zImx9PaYvBuJ_LYXIm6GXUotVjYDk_t2JCuvuXS4 AHRsl2YK4xTPIdnh4sF5Uaih5bVle3s7K_aNPpnfMZsXmSQd6.sTuFBDKvEERKtU_kgiYn50OGjw EusumH8fUJ5Pz2gInmQZkORIN.7o1KQp0Xt3J1nopHjLNk_68x3B7dwpGrYT2D_t11LwYi9rhi86 U6XsTaoVFZluEEHjJcS38YIa7_j1hjK9w5etRC_R6dFV4cN3RFSuaYYRR9S9Tm0usDu8m8xVl7vB 8A_f3VJ.ttgUUpcVH7.Zpx_cTqJkIFkLMKt2v_V83.0MA6hV3hOshkPQB215GtD7d4pQiGNFgMSI .h657lN0xIAX6Ru073qPJRxBOxQa9hUt7FWBNprKS8qEOWWi48KT5hH1KMwmH9APrc297Wszk36W bFI2jdVf.pfM8XPVzfkvi36nTmpt3gKSgJXShFiveJS54JMYvdCvXRXDb5rIIXKCLw0egRwdQlDv o9pSY8YMRqBipWItIOTcVK.tSw.NH_8.Ol_Imt6QeAMO1EgkJ5n3rCtqHdV_ATM2r7F3nt2SxiHh _2IzevP7bPM.Y0plJTS29U99jXClQjjZeIBkTjicXIReUH_hJ32UM.7pRaMDbn.6FDF03ImRXza4 n2agXooHh1zdrXi6RF7fukKszKLYxw4OzRcGhXvJ0m5AKzqQ.0MkU711pVAkazVDtZijq4OFesLj QXslnV7SLw1nwz_u1_0giNB.zio6JAaMDvJZgfkk29Q-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:47:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:47:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: Matthias Apitz , Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <738401676.7494211.1534376828821@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20180816014323.b6325a66.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180816014323.b6325a66.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: Hello... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12206 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:47:16 -0000 LOVE THIS!=C2=A0=20 Probably the most logical, in-your-face reasoning that shows how easy it is= to misinterpret the meaning of what is being said due to a lack of true, t= op-down iteration. P. On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 7:44:30 PM EDT, Polytropon wrote: =20 =20 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:57:02 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 02:30:22PM -0400, Alejandro = Imass escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > > Nobody is religious about top posting anymore and most MUAs don't > > support it nor in-line editing either. >=20 > Then I suggest: use another MUA and not Google mail. >=20 > > get over it it's almost 2020 >=20 > And in 2020, true will be false, or what? No, that will happen in 1984. :-) Remember: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Top-posting. What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? And: Yes. Are you sure? Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Why is top posting frowned upon? See: http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 00:45:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AD3107626C for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 00:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com (mail-it0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A466B8543E for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 00:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id v71-v6so4468209itb.3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4/qR3wefdVfpjOIFyQx3Qr2jDjOcUWooGuMoeaEiB3I=; b=YBxUMEVxHB+Q8yB4eERYbsRCKJjVlMaIANx6KmuOwA0ALob+cT3+3dMn5AfsyLvawU BmT9PRfmM5VuLM2IzZvN8C2lUyl6u3w+q+ezmltLqp1w7GjuhsLPvyMIiKqVh851LGd2 yfTJO/uAIH7dXvRreTjQSchkrQksYFdx7mAXzlK5oi2aIhY7b9Ij3T5zrxuaWGv6UsKr jWc+Wiw/nOulZ8zq1mXSKB9T801G8138W5uxtZxNxFWZoEMoPuUrO1xMAYprKGsm27+A KQ2GunoL37z6DLPDRWGw4QEMJcpDFwwUy0omvPUZPvXgi9dlHIooutE4GryZL7j/yGAE QBeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4/qR3wefdVfpjOIFyQx3Qr2jDjOcUWooGuMoeaEiB3I=; b=ev2Y8Zzup8ot1S7jY4uAkBgw6UCHDYwd4kzuX8o9T75zkzbb3TjrxU6YRBisgPMdpi opSa9AWwZnScug4NreRaX97PIWgWSwd8u2P0oIhdfN23L+RGMrC1+/2BokxNcLZn17kj hXTDk/CRk94JmOJXGJYDkatYXwIS9VU4WVFlbRuPiQsnA/wfZbNvB0smOl4Hl4gFpaBV RrCIFiWVPA2CJsR4VRK+DysrEgyd/MMhJ1UXOs+CH4bcEF8y2gFSRWcIDJ9ZwQ3i918s qjO73/Zs3wj0nIR701jEJY21GOcPJ9rUMaMf5Z0LCGwnHhV0msh8zGl2IiNkDXTmcWmf p/BA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHTnMjTfbrvz5V+sKwb3gKlW5HvMVh8hARGaXTISe65DRExCsn3 Fxy3GcuwiJy8uloXwcRvW51nBJxQy+XOp6dOIxG0eA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPx9bbFKZsRrMv3wtZC1Pl932gI4V8qmYmcU286gaMj2AiioRf3yqJOvGfZwsV3W7rK4Kl+TXfw2bOnjybPYLXI= X-Received: by 2002:a24:4ecb:: with SMTP id r194-v6mr20237563ita.39.1534380324960; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:45:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> In-Reply-To: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:45:13 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: antranigv@freebsd.am Cc: aimass@yabarana.com, FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 00:45:26 -0000 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:08 AM Antranig Vartanian wrote: > I have noticed that there are a lot of scams in the mailing lists (not only > FreeBSD). > Is there any reason why such thing are not filtered (or maybe those do pass > the filters?) > FreeBSD questions wants anyone to ask general questions, but other FreeBSD mailing lists require registration and have a lot less spam. I think that's reasonable because there's nothing more annoying that having to join a mailing list to ask a question. > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Alejandro Imass > wrote: > > > Interesting scam. > > > > The from domain hkma.com is very old and seems legit (1999) and has no > > Web presence so they found a perfect cover. > > The reply-to is forged to a new domain hkmaonline.com which was > > registered last month by someone apparently in Toronto through tucows. > > > > It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that > > train their employees to spot these) fall for these scams every day. > > Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big > > business! > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Mr. Norman Chan > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I want to make a Donation, reply to this email for Details. > > > > > > Mr. Norman Chan > > > 700 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 01:18:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF071076F85 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C61DC86A0C for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Mz44TzYVM1kIAP7Cg2cLzoVnKsSHlMy592lyFWzb6LNWRBN7S_jKSJT8M_v0D9K RjW3t4idnYAXKJCV5JgCWexlkbuKmXQ.9SLolOFjtEUVm3D7f.a0lBfrqtKPaPUftx6043A7YP.. 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Message-ID: <20180816031833.47dc0e64@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git213 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:18:34 -0000 On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:45:13 +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: >I think that's reasonable because there's nothing more annoying that >having to join a mailing list to ask a question. That's a matter of opinion. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Interleaved reply style without trimming, e.g. keeping 3 quotes of the mailing list footer, a common cold or foot fungus for some subscribers might be more annoying than subscribing to a mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 01:48:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DAE107803E for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mason@blisses.org) Received: from phlegethon.blisses.org (phlegethon.blisses.org [50.56.97.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77450886BE for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mason@blisses.org) Received: from cocytus.blisses.org (cocytus.blisses.org [64.223.129.151]) by phlegethon.blisses.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC24194EBF; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blisses.org (acheron.int.blisses.org [10.0.1.10]) by cocytus.blisses.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9AB680AB5; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:48:44 -0400 From: Mason Loring Bliss To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180816014844.GB18637@blisses.org> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180816014323.b6325a66.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180816014323.b6325a66.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:48:47 -0000 --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 01:43:23AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > Remember: >=20 > Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > Top-posting. > What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? >=20 > And: >=20 > Yes. > Are you sure? > Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > Why is top posting frowned upon? I want to steal all of this now. Thank you. From my perspective, anything other than interleaved posting is = an abomination. Bottom posting containing pages of cruft is just as bad as top posting. If our tools make it hard to write email properly, we need better tools. Th= en again, maybe people need to have a better introduction to good tools. Maybe documentation is the answer. > http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html \o/ --=20 Mason Loring Bliss (( If I have not seen as far as others, it is because mason@blisses.org )) giants were standing on my shoulders. - Hal Abels= on --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIbBAEBCgAGBQJbdNf8AAoJEJ6yV3B27yVVgI8P9junI20bEPUpIw8/PsCTOB5l DEOJh26I2lVIJRIKvM008R+s//YbFtQMiZZk4cm+LAKzZLieKtLojfXLnCQhz1CE x7SMk5tjiiN4a9nDqLQTGn6EsFeXQggsdZKpDLggQUq6hPd4JTSqvSLzKyiQ/bK8 d/Zk27p3kSL6nV/hdok9u/mTLAPxa+VsqdQedXblDNVih2VOeRX6QgA+ztyD4TGv 4KbkXu9cBXWUaDQ20H1iEG3kR5rkRhhO3v1jxSrQgm9ReHS1axVSSVD/5ChgGBb/ mPqWVye0VnD6QyT66m/6MW0JXACJMGdRP3ZdgYC7bIaNim5pShz+M5QNdmoXYM4V aWtaY4vPk0Wqr3HTi6dnzj3JdOpMiVtsgcw1Cwezohp+6ww9UQob69O1AE9/j8d7 mHzy38b++GJ03W+ddd2jJqJ5uI7WKxzgASQmE7zzQM9S4YnADWTCG4s4UCjjBrw0 86wnb9JKOWML532khddILwelcfbtw6W3Kc0eyS0MEPx0rIAIRrezX3IsKYMmQ4AF GfZABW3OtwwBUtFSBkEI81ADpuLmaAe/StWgJX0x4mfrVMbPyjpP7z2Adg8h2gca bsUC4KF0SSw4VBiDIuk9KLUNZo5B0b3EVA6ZvILgFeAtl0oGqMQvoCmxG+WJV35Q bwHnB9J8TmO0CcAXz70= =GvmZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 01:52:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA9E1078380 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7277E88B71 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id q4-v6so2613923iob.8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dfuaeXFKRkUQVWw20chjtZaxKyRIpSQRyRgYaJ3f3Jc=; b=ONJq1hZ/0sWMRcRIqVxiWt2+KbsxRiXwiaG3k6//9hLNK2o/XbkD/u/bp4IGop7Aly BpgUFCCDIrx8eX4Loax2UpUjfEHtj3t5FGk4OyW4twN0kSD5LmT67oU7JO/MpvzkffGC 7Ytj+iuiEq8On/tlV7NQIqc8ob4ybAIASLGdrgu2BplsLd2Sh+ZXMp4APO9qXqNHlo9n 40LGpS3avbxB7bWMnSVSYChVWW6NQNyM7eBwKpEtqucQnrnknnzRpXVP0owPEQEt9OXI sjrgbid1dS/q1u7fDgdpuixgi9Fpefhh9HZUsNj+orUZfbByAj/IBoaKulrUTh/FOyz3 v3KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dfuaeXFKRkUQVWw20chjtZaxKyRIpSQRyRgYaJ3f3Jc=; b=LrGbr3he8u32cC/3wW7wTQ8etX2eOVAmZSUE/FAgddOX6gNMm8dS9aQ4qwvTSE0OVR Pwmbv1ocDPrUxl99D94nPZT+3SAuouw0cIeCWldZnQGfaeCabikdVFYiDn5ByPs352Ok c8aTjxVXzvISMm/ODqsqjQHuCQDKAahwA5isPGwxNoE4gHWhX7f5VNrIp1FX9olNpW9a bmALqlOrBrzWePkn6SDj8VwNZFPB8EhLNuCds1VpfYoAnp+6depnB2kjMzceL3crDz8U Qsz7/17aIB/PCfReuUnVg/CErqpyNu5gOc8V4c35WvZDY3bnDNb1dm8em/9N9xLkKg3u 62RQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFZpCRoNHG/yUmBlNOYKB8qpHzduYyxo1yKVnmLRKMK0TXnIM/N kVvO6g0YW/UZJwYKUwoH9JSLuxDCqv38zu6hbeY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPwV+PiNfNRT7LCo5vqWOxDUj5+21PJX7WlJvUkRkQuMh8xK5wA9f1L2HoaSVAXPB924o5Tb3TMjbAoGQW15tg0= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:2c82:: with SMTP id s124-v6mr23290539ios.136.1534384354828; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:52:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180816031833.47dc0e64@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180816031833.47dc0e64@archlinux> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:52:42 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:52:36 -0000 means Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 09:21 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:45:13 +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > >I think that's reasonable because there's nothing more annoying that > >having to join a mailing list to ask a question. > > That's a matter of opinion. > In case you missed it or English isn't your first language the phrase "I think" means exactly that it is my own opinion. The mailing list admins also seem to agree with me as well since that's the ongoing policy. But hey if you don't agree change it or leave; either way have a nice life. > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > >> > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > >> > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Interleaved reply style without trimming, e.g. keeping 3 quotes of the > mailing list footer, a common cold or foot fungus for some subscribers > might be more annoying than subscribing to a mailing list. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 03:01:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EBB107A6A0 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 896B28AB51 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.8.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue006 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LpDlp-1gJzeA30Zp-00fAlG; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:01:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:01:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Mason Loring Bliss Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-Id: <20180816050122.f37f7953.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180816014844.GB18637@blisses.org> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180816014323.b6325a66.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180816014844.GB18637@blisses.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NsobtnMbaISgy4K0M0Lo4/ugRClhOfZiKyvMST666DTnNxaYISJ 8zed3tTdaYIuIzml5DIHvDgtCYWhlMYgkyanPmveXjLyiup07lzAxcWic+frEAISHd2dUd9 aqNQJQWNS2phb4v2kFLDDvzxDz9LTn8PtftyWqROK3zfI7i6QMnZhumvV+Ne7gshH6juNWr qlIDcbWi4hwYH7VNqXiuQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:hKIAifw33F8=:d14YGqk1UDhm+Rp9apFzTZ bbZ0DiTC3yoSCLPojKQh+8wsYy/Ad1E0DhKO56iPXUwn0NgJ0rq3YK1/31kvq8tNr6Q0OYS/f mCqyY75+yyOB1op0rCaQnux0swHCXg2w02d/SwtGkg7rpdAvZsPnGrvOifE72Vhs/F39qr+At lYLWwY7Nqwy/a2RKmY+jTWMKd5s/mLxTKK+aNVTz2u0wYRGRCNs5BjI4uZcwo4wJEUNxztswQ VpGi8kf5+bLjzkGVTj/GzeF6+LZnEPwiEkvlqh1piMtchU5ehuRJHqhKYQgPJEgi5pKQcnV0y +2hOnLtmNCVtTF4DrFyvkPe6JXQurjLVU6z5FA36NQ4bsCi6Zb4Peaot6wBS+PFoqCKyWhfzH 7+gk4QUHth8FVI8BZwwZIG9r+IATyNvhocP1NnjSnM3808N1fVXqcwJ/h67kP8cq2hYg4pRYr MYDJWH67YciV5+grkAR+YJLWS6iWqANyuZcLXg+6G0SS3NlpHvCHB5/mVgLyB0ErZ5v6AZlub A+2OyAWvErwUdJ9OKV8NDWAoX779iG3DIl4beCSzLZZudAZ+DJ6eRIcmY01TTEqgGsGxaRYtq ovB1wg9VAPyisHtI/kUHb+/DzUJfESdthNCH0t9k7tVnGX/adYaLDAFIYgukhurWwBafBYGxk /UrQRzJB5ko3yKv4BniNOYzqazvskr6zWKTvfy/2lplKrvM/dt63SeW1XTAlvORtJ4bdC3Yo/ ZejB/Z0uZ0KzEA3+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:01:35 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:48:44 -0400, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 01:43:23AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > Remember: > > > > Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > > Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > Top-posting. > > What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > > > And: > > > > Yes. > > Are you sure? > > Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > Why is top posting frowned upon? > > I want to steal all of this now. > > Thank you. From my perspective, anything other than interleaved posting is an > abomination. Bottom posting containing pages of cruft is just as bad as top > posting. All this highly depends on the matter that is discussed, with whom it is discussed, and the context (informal, technical, personal, etc.). Trimming a message to what should be in there is subject to "thinking before writing". It often happens in technical discussions that more than one question is handled within one message, and maybe even several threads (or topics) are being dealt with in one message. It's also good for reference purposes in public mailing lists when you can just read the last message of a thread in order to learn how the result came to be, for example, from a problem description through diagnostic material and suggestions for repair up to a working solution - in _one_ message. While the typical use of top poisting is yes/no questions in business context, while keeping all the cruft (which nobody reads) at the bottom. This is what people in offices seem to expect and demand, so they provide it. Strange world... On the other hand - and I can only speak for myself, of course -, investing some time into properly formatting a message, dealing with the text I reply to, and writing my own text with paying attention to at least the most basic rules of spelling, grammar, and punctuation, is to show _respect_ for my conversational counterpart. Just barfing some misspelled words infront of a message is - in my opinion - a sign of disrespect, and it doesn't get any better when it happens the same way at the message bottom. Of course this all depends on context; sometimes a quick reply in a hurry is fully valid. Mailing lists are an ecosystem where participation often encourages you to follow some rules or suggestions, and the quality of your contributions is judged by how good you do on all levels of content and form. A technical mailing list such as this one has of course different standards than your typical teenager neighborhood party mailing list. :-) > If our tools make it hard to write email properly, we need better tools. Then > again, maybe people need to have a better introduction to good tools. I think this is the key. Knowledge of good tools _and_ the ability (and willingness) to learn them makes conversations via email enlightening, useful, entertaining - whatever they need to be in a given context. Tools matter a lot. Just like programming languages, some of them make it hard (or even impossible) to follow certain recommendations, and that makes them bad tools. If you have the ability to choose your tools, exchange bad tools for better tools. People who deal with physical objects to this all the time. This is the reason nobody really uses a saw to drive a nail into the wall, and suggesting to do so just because "everyone else" does it that way will only result in a strange shaking of the head. :-) > Maybe documentation is the answer. In my opinion, "mind share" is important. Nobody wants to read dry documentation. Sadly, "everyone" is subjected to the use of web mailers (and Google's in particular), so it might _seem_ there are no alternatives. Older people *cough* *cough* will know better, of course, as they have started using email with non-web tools in many cases, and their mind is often more open and accessible for new thoughts. It is interesting why the generations who have grown up with certain technology aren't interested in learning more about it in order to benefit from it in a better (faster, more efficient, more comfortable, or easier) way... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 03:09:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A976B107ACDF for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic310-14.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic310-14.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C16F8B094 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 8v7lMqUVM1kgRIU0PdZKHzvRvcJMjNmdsp.kqnT6URlr4UKPeuzaPj3BydppHoj xvEO.OC.u1BKAnh5jVOSo9ekb1Uk8j5w63mie_6u7TyHD_iiNbMe.2kLaOLd.I8enkeAhpxmwt_p KIGFB7TUrOKVQFLGCWVPM5MJUXCAbAW93LHHfMylkjRqntfkxsp2h1GVVBKcgJXSEG0lOs3FWVfn tHsQgIlyPR_DRnOZNOGY.aBloYIpjqZGXZOVcydhLKnxW8KW1DxCXI8IiLILv1VXRv7VI52XVxcB 9y.97i9_5fMPJdDiFbXRJeHk0DAW7rQqK8iSaC5x8cziw5xPErsjiruroY3Ovu4SOLQYUgki4bLA b5tWxuZRq_HDCWHIShIPYsc0dnyEiTrmwkAgfHVGC6A5qNSGvBuhM7XsjnHPZzDOsnoITR2_NhFc aX7V73Ws_Co14cqHDIeA5Fh5MKEKdlfxkKJzWERCgKG48hnvqZR8_ieFQo40.4szcIB7fhnFesa9 Rmg6yKdz5LITx5PmDFj1kthc_ew8dSTRSqjQcs5t4X6h_P8KuxF0Af30PEYJDYLany918RiawLb7 qSGr1p4XsDvOWnBfnCIc8fQFmDc7BgYc7cK.vr_8hkNVuToCRwuesBgdHkWyQQ14onIu06CV4Dhs dtQ5taLV3i.5CLLpV81ePrnABLRXyXZufqNTx6qLpR9ns5ERyyY5L3IYRxxIWapZfsc2eOH9r68S NlJCd7pg11eZWZFLrHT7CnHavAD_hOTatSr4EbsvGB1JfskGb0ET1SKQp5lgQHFSkDXYKTSBXbjS 5LiBzSUd2gqvIRMICzTuCh0EiFX_6_nGVHUuNn0o7mS3Y3i4r9.JuMazUM3fwQawzZaw2Wj02T5j sUzg2IIWsedkzeLej9.AIxin74I73Y6e9lmhWXSg0RbIT_wqA51JV.ITBcSKg3ftCLJKsrefeo9R rdYzfpCsGelNzxf1XbhGh2Q7EzG3R4vSZelt2mh24Gokr.rHiAKu0cKHVA7bochY6pepMWRMLtT1 DdJ16olE- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:09:13 +0000 Received: from x4db58c2f.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([77.181.140.47]) by smtp424.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5289b1c4221ae129b370ba1431f73c27 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:09:13 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180816050913.4294f70c@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180816031833.47dc0e64@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git213 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:09:21 -0000 On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:52:42 +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: >The mailing list admins also seem to agree with me as well since >that's the ongoing policy. But hey if you don't agree change it or >leave; either way have a nice life. To advocate an open mailing doesn't necessarily imply that subscribing to a mailing list might be annoying. I don't disagree with advocating an open mailing list. I disagree that nothing should be more annoying than having to join a mailing list to ask a question. There's no reason for me to change anything or to leave, since I'm not against an open mailing list. You assume the hidden agenda of those who run the list is your thought. I don't know, but perhaps it isn't, at least there seems not to be such a policy or an agreement with your point of view, see "Also note that the mailing lists have traditionally been open to postings from non-subscribers. This has been a deliberate choice, to help make joining the FreeBSD community an easier process, and to encourage open sharing of ideas. However, due to past abuse by some individuals, certain lists now have a policy where postings from non-subscribers must be manually screened to ensure that they are appropriate." - https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/index.html#idp54997832 Making it easier to join the community, isn't necessarily the same as agreeing that it's the most annoying thing in the universe to subscribe to a mailing list. However, we all are bikeshedding now, so at least I'll stop continuing this thread. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 05:00:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F58F107D044 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62E78D975 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hokkshideh.dream-tech.com (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.4]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w7G50jZE013121 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:00:45 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: "Simon" Cc: "Karl Young" , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815220045.770b2c88@hokkshideh.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: <201808152329.w7FNTCNw094385@fedex2.jetcafe.org> References: <20180815210813.GH13174@mailboy.kipshouse.net> <201808152329.w7FNTCNw094385@fedex2.jetcafe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 5.1) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.1 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:00:48 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:22:07 -0400 "Simon" wrote: > PS: toilet paper should be front-facing ;) Regardless of which way it faces, it will most certainly get used. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< Listening to eyewitness descriptions of an event you saw yourself, you might begin to wonder about this thing we call "history". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 05:59:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB954107E452 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:59:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 01010165414d6c21-bcac7d73-99cf-4c05-888e-06cceb0af35e-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com) Received: from a27-34.smtp-out.us-west-2.amazonses.com (a27-34.smtp-out.us-west-2.amazonses.com [54.240.27.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C4F68F15C for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:59:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 01010165414d6c21-bcac7d73-99cf-4c05-888e-06cceb0af35e-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=4nphvxivhgsntfxkzsopqsdbvjscuhxm; d=vmeta.jp; t=1534398917; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID; bh=zjP4PvayaIk/enIrsw02CFv2sSPsXzsZdW3+v4T7qf0=; b=MAQciG6M/zPxb3H2epr6fdqFgCkCRukkrSkRmvWsyfJ9nVBBJpx9+pMaL1Ei2G3+ WFea6p7rVlQvRkk0G1WYj4anvJf/LFYQanJHnhqyumBLaX0B9Ktu6aHuW1w8yWpxvAj ASW9VG06AsF7gAjcQg07HdfASgBM+QOYsE4xg6V4= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=7v7vs6w47njt4pimodk5mmttbegzsi6n; d=amazonses.com; t=1534398917; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID:Feedback-ID; bh=zjP4PvayaIk/enIrsw02CFv2sSPsXzsZdW3+v4T7qf0=; b=G9KAtejUD5ieEhd590AFoXSxJ1RTj5WBO+3+91MdpSqOtueAJ4oeV5g3iXgdE+Gu NIHlN56PhmovPfw82kqk0eEuQ0awsnbP3fiLpjS3af1H6RKaa6opCTYI92/cde5E2vy 2xIceTle58zUEiye22lvouH7f6+xOQ7l2tZTI+/w= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on glory.vmeta.jp X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:55:17 +0000 From: Koichiro IWAO To: David Newman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xrdp configuration and xfce4 In-Reply-To: References: <7d12e2d7-e8e6-53d0-3c62-d3ca8868f9be@networktest.com> <20180808013151.sia5lgegjcxu2pr3@icepick.vmeta.jp> <3d2a1aa3-94de-e4e7-bb1d-a54ff7a92f94@networktest.com> <010101651cc2eaf1-3b1f8145-18bd-4665-bdf9-767470f85a3d-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> <0101016521032eb2-f262b8e9-b49d-4698-b7fa-b164846438d8-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <01010165414d6c21-bcac7d73-99cf-4c05-888e-06cceb0af35e-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> X-Sender: meta@vmeta.jp User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.7 X-SES-Outgoing: 2018.08.16-54.240.27.34 Feedback-ID: 1.us-west-2.ngRt4x2U/cWqug8pbfjwMxB6pcDw1fmN73bGmMLYyRI=:AmazonSES X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:59:08 -0000 > Thank YOU, Iwao-san, for your help with this. > > The behavior is exactly as you described, but only if we replace the > startwm.sh script supplied with the pkg with the two-line version you > suggested: > > #!/bin/sh > startxfce4 > > The startwm.sh script supplied with the package has three different > cases for Linux distributions (lines 66-88) but nothing for xfce4 on > FreeBSD. > > Thanks again for your help with the startup issue, and in advance for > pointers on debugging the clipboard issue. Then, your issue is identical to a bug some other people already reported. Please be patient until we fix the bug. For the moment, specifying DefaultWindowManager by full path might be a workaround. And one more, xrdp pkg/ports installs startwm.sh but it is an example for Linux. You're supposed to create your own startwm.sh that fits your environment and need. It is unkind but I suppose FreeBSD users are more skilled than ordinary GNU/Linux users. Regarding the clipboard issue, I will send you another post later. -- `whois vmeta.jp | nkf -w` meta From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 06:07:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EFB107E714 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0101016541521676-3e1ebb83-0795-44a6-9a24-36b5d03aecc6-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com) Received: from a27-38.smtp-out.us-west-2.amazonses.com (a27-38.smtp-out.us-west-2.amazonses.com [54.240.27.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFF4B8F53B for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0101016541521676-3e1ebb83-0795-44a6-9a24-36b5d03aecc6-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=4nphvxivhgsntfxkzsopqsdbvjscuhxm; d=vmeta.jp; t=1534399223; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID; bh=/x1iQl1c971a9SKRu9ResskWoVv3KLZpnuMKQHim5xo=; b=Sqpq3TAoIQMZD6ftHB2kGex0lDxxPc2NCY5NwXT3m81alATtpi1lrKwjEoRy6QMU C/NRBBGQRkfJjgISGNjln1Ru4QPOE+J1zrWmXwi3WD1G9mii5gBUjQ6vLsQ1Oz9hd86 zpJxasn40KpVzFoMYAIM9u6ZPS9YN/d69cXiON0w= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=7v7vs6w47njt4pimodk5mmttbegzsi6n; d=amazonses.com; t=1534399223; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID:Feedback-ID; bh=/x1iQl1c971a9SKRu9ResskWoVv3KLZpnuMKQHim5xo=; b=UIBxeniRw3aJtP3GQ7lDaT4IvVztwJLYhkZ8PymkX4V49G5X8j9B+vkz2twls0e2 zhxMKiuXxCNI/3U7+QLgwGGbxNLQYeD9KR5fFelJqjy16dLUSImGflG9TgMHLQcynkR X7Yj3DhHwqHCXJHULbHU9MYzbVhKW9CNixxyekio= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on glory.vmeta.jp X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:00:23 +0000 From: Koichiro IWAO To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: dnewman@networktest.com Subject: Re: xrdp configuration and xfce4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0101016541521676-3e1ebb83-0795-44a6-9a24-36b5d03aecc6-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> X-Sender: meta@vmeta.jp User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.7 X-SES-Outgoing: 2018.08.16-54.240.27.38 Feedback-ID: 1.us-west-2.ngRt4x2U/cWqug8pbfjwMxB6pcDw1fmN73bGmMLYyRI=:AmazonSES X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:07:09 -0000 Regarding clipboard issue, add this to your SessionVariables section in sesman.ini. > CHANSRV_LOG_LEVEL=LOG_LEVEL_DEBUG Then xrdp will produce more debug logs. See `~/.local/share/xrdp/xrdp-chansrv.*.log` and what happens when you copy something to clipboard. -- `whois vmeta.jp | nkf -w` meta From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 09:49:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBE51084361 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM03-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092008011.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.8.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT TLS CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 475F677912 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=osPHwnhy9hPuEg8pMdHbLRt4uu65TKH82GCaEnTTkl0=; b=lJj4fCpnPVAWBxBX/KUUFNFh7AXoKwAbUor9BrxXD9LIKukUjESn/lMuqzh+i3UbIUWABNTxqucXwJ6J4+Fp/AyduBQ+UPYRGN4uBe/E+V0LJIp66cZZlZMB1SsCYJEXg4BKptkKO6fNQPyMrrDBtUpm2XBqT3a85gA6tvJNWF9XJlj8mQTQhTybo37GrLf9iUxMw0SDAQ7k7tLuZv2aanAwGAb3Se4mpBC9RwjfqnmEqWvXkaqoGGS4CCyJunqkIVC804QbXuSlfu4eCX3y0RVjdXhY25RCxMeDYTBe1eI6jAn7gazWbzwC3pdMc2ONB+BrHtwqZt7rYaKUvdId7w== Received: from CO1NAM03FT038.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.80.52) by CO1NAM03HT175.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.81.114) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.1059.14; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:03 +0000 Received: from SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (10.152.80.60) by CO1NAM03FT038.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.81.212) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.1059.14 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:03 +0000 Received: from SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::3842:d077:d677:4c86]) by SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::3842:d077:d677:4c86%2]) with mapi id 15.20.1059.017; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:03 +0000 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Hello... 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I find getting bombarded with Spam far more offensive than having to regist= er prior to being allowed to post. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 11:49:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDF2108706B for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC7577D62A for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1534420176; x=1537012176; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=a0rBCAz1ElCUEnfIOcr5EIwrJqaFPwD8sSofuDs5QUw=; b=G2kVvtPIzoehBiZImCOfo5NZPjt2FIfW9Ez62qu8RdQs+gTn9P4thUKs/qnaeubjiFINJex0rZ4B05an0vQ0r5H/PDIOp2xkxYRczrINt2rpXhFSNVF5g7zLIiIs97izFTgwtjkcXQSZzA2mgv/kQo2gPISG7aMKp8dlzZ/Cb7I= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOTkwMDAwMDAwZDM2ZDQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.187.94.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 16 Aug 2018 07:49:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 16 Aug 2018 07:49:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fqGmR-000MeA-09 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:49:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:49:29 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-Id: <20180816124929.680c5c2f7ff059236695cdfb@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:49:36 -0000 On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:03 +0000 Carmel NY wrote: > I find getting bombarded with Spam far more offensive than having to > register prior to being allowed to post. You're not getting bombarded with spam, you're getting bombarded with people complaining about the tiny amount there is - and they're registered! -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 13:19:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156DA105B44B for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEFA81A80 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-162-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.162.197]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BF27180A6 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:19:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Hello... To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <31f4d4fc-db5e-e82e-ad4a-6b4a605132e9@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:19:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:19:49 -0000 On 08/15/2018 07:45 PM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:08 AM Antranig Vartanian > wrote: > >> I have noticed that there are a lot of scams in the mailing lists (not only >> FreeBSD). >> Is there any reason why such thing are not filtered (or maybe those do pass >> the filters?) >> > FreeBSD questions wants anyone to ask general questions, but other FreeBSD > mailing lists require registration and have a lot less spam. > > I think that's reasonable because there's nothing more annoying that having > to join a mailing list to ask a question. Not exactly. It was always advised that one does put fair effort in saving his problem on one's own before asking for help. Signing up for the list is part of the effort. The one who asks for help at lest realizes others will put effort on their side to provide that help. Of course, experts on this list are much more unselfish than people anywhere else. What IS annoying for me is when some place like facebook demands I sign in or create account before showing anything (and leaving their banner taking 30% of area if I don't). Valeri > >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Alejandro Imass >> wrote: >> >>> Interesting scam. >>> >>> The from domain hkma.com is very old and seems legit (1999) and has no >>> Web presence so they found a perfect cover. >>> The reply-to is forged to a new domain hkmaonline.com which was >>> registered last month by someone apparently in Toronto through tucows. >>> >>> It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that >>> train their employees to spot these) fall for these scams every day. >>> Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big >>> business! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Mr. Norman Chan >>> wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I want to make a Donation, reply to this email for Details. >>>> >>>> Mr. Norman Chan >>>> 700 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 13:40:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232021066347 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:40:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C444382D89 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22E210DF1; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjfYehAZn_V6; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1CB310DE0; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 142.177.130.191 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:40:13 -0400 Message-ID: <63cd39cb82f9eb0efdd3a5d46133f841.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:40:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello... From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Matthias Apitz" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:40:26 -0000 Wrong. On Wed, August 15, 2018 14:22, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, August 15, 2018 a las 01:51:02PM -0400, Alejandro > Imass escribió: > >> ... >> >> It's unbelievable how many IT-educated people (in corporations that >> ... >> Extrapolate that to the general population and this stuff is big >> business! > > IT-educated people do not top-post. > > matthias -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9MyWRSNEWc32MCGnQ5SOMKtkIdSQ3Hssr" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:44:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9MyWRSNEWc32MCGnQ5SOMKtkIdSQ3Hssr Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="m1LVnrP6MHiYP3oiAssuSeRvJbndficKx"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <5ecba90f-c3fd-e244-bdaa-b749ca8c4905@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Resolving package conflicts (pkg set -o?) References: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <03EF2AAC-B928-4B82-BB14-3AF4C009E5E5@astro.gla.ac.uk> --m1LVnrP6MHiYP3oiAssuSeRvJbndficKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/08/2018 18:10, Norman Gray wrote: > When installing the 'ceph' package, I get an error: >=20 > pkg: openldap-client-2.4.46 conflicts with openldap-sasl-client-2.4.46 > (installs files into the same place).=C2=A0 Problematic file: > /usr/local/bin/ldapadd >=20 > I'm not sure how best to resolve this.=C2=A0 Can anyone offer advice? >=20 > This happens because I've installed the openldap-sasl-client package in= > preference to openldap-client (or rather, the nss-pam-ldapd-sasl packag= e > installs the former rather than the latter).=C2=A0 I take it that the t= wo > packages would be broadly equivalent in function from the point of view= > of dependencies.=C2=A0 However I'm not sure what the real difference is= > between these two alternatives. >=20 This is a pretty well-known and longstanding problem with pkg(8) and using the standard project compiled packages. What happens is that pkg records dependencies very strictly -- on the specific version of a package. This means you cannot just substitute one package with a similar equivalent -- ldap-client for ldap-sasl-client. So if you install package A that depends on ldap-client and then want to install package B that depends on ldap-sasl-client you are going to be a very unhappy bunny. Now, there are two possible solutions to this. The first is to build your own packages. That way you can make sure everything depends on your choice of whatever dependency you prefer and pkg(8) won't be nagging you about CONFLICTS. Which is not really a satisfactory response when all you want to do is quickly install something and have it working P.D.Q. The second is the new 'flavours' mechanism. This exists for eg. python or php or various other possibilities. The result is that eg. any python application will be available from the pkg repository for either python-2.7 or python-3.6 and as an end user you can switch between the two fairly easily. The problem here is that no-one has yet implemented an LDAP flavour. Sorry. Cheers, Matthew --m1LVnrP6MHiYP3oiAssuSeRvJbndficKx-- --9MyWRSNEWc32MCGnQ5SOMKtkIdSQ3Hssr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAlt0VdRfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcACgkQAFE/EOCp 5OfdORAAgSQKzNK57yfp0SPTL7jupvpKQIOxxq1YT/+jBJ/mD6t4uZNM7akK6ksf 114D3hGzYrwJUFt8jCUU2HGjiYVjv9MP5iBE2/0F+PIDO0Q7ac6Z3dAbUw0Mjgv4 L27ns8mRThGg0d+BWnfqFsrXQfNjfQMrKKsor+s6B0xk/kBRYCokpL2F7VJqSssJ VP0izgyHm8QoWeRQaqiYdNNDWUjIEFvDInuCbsKRY0XKEdjPOLCc8bie2Zi4AsRF aBmuNnd0pLvH7u622w2DrpK7NI5ldVG71eyKiGBTHmhVipMpzjR0owzMevDULSv0 oQO3+LjMFwjkYgN7mEnhbQJgVK101r1DPxsCkILJg7eAl9CXhPOst06hdbXQ8jhJ Wfjx/oZR6dDSL4tKFxNcmLk64t6CyyFXOvVWZQ4nGo7mJrnLoYTlQSQD+RyO/Om2 uvW+i0bhQlTGW4vwiMJhdWQmpmlkw2rub3f8M8+PUA1KMSR7n2Gmn46bvWhbMt0Q 6UWxawO0aSIJmeM7IT8zGSebtkgzhqMDjyjaYoY7uhc6iHrgk0nW8WJ5ijrWdCEX lFgXfidyW9XYOZ3akSBhUlJU9r69cKOxA8S0yM6r9hr1sTxlDUgnU1b//GRcxr9B NqvLgFa0XwwDsKeYRI0sRQdiEc2VJBCxRwUGOopCFilJLQIFnao= =H/0X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9MyWRSNEWc32MCGnQ5SOMKtkIdSQ3Hssr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 16 13:49:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B823210669C3 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E96283505 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6C3110AB; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GPg-YVVrnuNz; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D2CD110A0; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 142.177.130.191 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:49:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello... From: "James B. Byrne" To: "blubee blubeeme" Cc: antranigv@freebsd.am, aimass@yabarana.com, "FreeBSD" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:49:59 -0000 On Wed, August 15, 2018 20:45, blubee blubeeme wrote: > FreeBSD questions wants anyone to ask general questions, but other > FreeBSD mailing lists require registration and have a lot less spam. > > I think that's reasonable because there's nothing more annoying that > having to join a mailing list to ask a question. 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Subject: Re: xrdp configuration and xfce4 Message-ID: <06cc41dc-1d05-c457-accf-ec5290dad23f@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 22:08:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0101016541521bce-e8f82c4f-ae28-46c6-8593-43b1953a79f3-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 02:09:06 -0000 >> And one more, xrdp pkg/ports installs startwm.sh but it is an example >> for Linux. You're supposed to create your own startwm.sh that fits you= r >> environment and need. It is unkind but I suppose FreeBSD users are mor= e >> skilled than ordinary GNU/Linux users. Hi Iwao-san, I'll generally agree that FreeBSD users are a skilled lot but I don't want to engage in OS flame wars. On 8/16/18 2:00 AM, Koichiro IWAO wrote: > Regarding clipboard issue, add this to your SessionVariables section in > sesman.ini. >=20 >> CHANSRV_LOG_LEVEL=3DLOG_LEVEL_DEBUG Done. [Chansrv] ; drive redirection, defaults to xrdp_client if not set FuseMountName=3Dthinclient_drives [SessionVariables] PULSE_SCRIPT=3D/usr/local/etc/xrdp/pulse/default.pa CHANSRV_LOG_LEVEL=3DLOG_LEVEL_DEBUG >=20 > Then xrdp will produce more debug logs. See > `~/.local/share/xrdp/xrdp-chansrv.*.log` This was no ~/.local/share/xrdp directory after restarting the xrdp and xrdp-sesman services. 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I try running make installworld and I get the following error: # make installworld make[1]: "/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/toolchain-metadata.mk" line 1: Using cached toolchain metadata from build at eggs.local on Fri Aug 17 17:17:15 BST 2018 Illegal instruction (core dumped) rescue/sh check failed, installation aborted *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src This happens regardless of whether I use 11-stable sources or, as now, 12-current sources. I start the build like this, in /usr/src: 1. rm -rf /usr/obj 2. mkdir /usr/obj 3. rm -rf /ccache 4. mkdir /ccache 5. make cleanworld 6. make cleandir 7. make clean 8 make -j2 buildworld 9. make -j2 buildkernel 10. make installkernel 11. mergemaster -p 12. make installworld /etc/src.conf looks like this: KERNCONF=MYKERNEL WITH_CCACHE_BUILD="TRUE" WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG="YES" WITHOUT_ATM="YES" WITHOUT_AUDIT="YES" WITHOUT_BLUETOOTH="YES" WITHOUT_BOOTPD="YES" WITHOUT_BSNMP="YES" WITHOUT_CUSE="YES" WITHOUT_DMAGENT="YES" WITHOUT_FINGER="YES" WITHOUT_FLOPPY="YES" WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE="YES" WITHOUT_HAST="YES" WITHOUT_HYPERV="YES" WITHOUT_INETD="YES" WITHOUT_IPFILTER="YES" WITHOUT_IPX="YES" WITHOUT_IPX_SUPPORT="YES" WITHOUT_ISCSI="YES" WITHOUT_JAIL="YES" WITHOUT_KERBEROS="YES" WITHOUT_KERBEROS_SUPPORT="YES" WITHOUT_LPR="YES" WITHOUT_NDIS="YES" WITHOUT_NETGRAPH="YES" WITHOUT_PORTSNAP="YES" WITHOUT_PPP="YES" WITHOUT_QUOTAS="YES" WITHOUT_RADIUS_SUPPORT="YES" WITHOUT_RBOOTD="YES" WITHOUT_RCMDS="YES" WITHOUT_ROUTED="YES" WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS="YES" WITHOUT_TALK="YES" WITHOUT_TFTP="YES" WITHOUT_TCP_WRAPPERS="YES" WITHOUT_TESTS="YES" WITHOUT_UNBOUND="YES" WITHOUT_WIRELESS="YES" /etc/make.conf looks like this: MALLOC_PRODUCTION=YES MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3 WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=YES CCACHE_DIR=/ccache WITH_MANCOMPRESS=YES OPTIONS_SET+= OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS OPTIONS_SET+= ICONV #DEFAULT_VERSIONS+= ssl=port CPUTYPE?=penryn USE_LOCALE=en_GB.UTF-8 # Disable sendmail! NO_SENDMAIL=true I'm going to try again without src.conf or make.conf. Is there anything else that could cause this error? thanks, -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 18 13:15:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B28106C9C4; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 13:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B161591633; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 13:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.99.237]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lzna3-1fwSbb1SEd-01507D; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 15:15:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 15:15:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: John Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with installworld Message-Id: <20180818151503.7da44655.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1534585160.3056848.1478206184.0EBD80FB@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1534585160.3056848.1478206184.0EBD80FB@webmail.messagingengine.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:B5R4Lr4L0Nl7wXN488hOaspHBYHBGrYfkxNa4hzLR1zTNw0NLPo x7cPLkXlvBPxswNPnWcmWj34Fx+6zVbRFsU71Nuzf4e1dTilwEUstzcMbF1VFAkc6aJD4Se JHzSAuiT+c60Zak/YTBvH3yVR43w1xucr/FXQK7BzNpRXtAiGNOwCut6T3XL1PmIYKVrOWW 0Z/xyxSR/LwENGnvZ4Oqw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Ks9c2hcv/5o=:Di3qUiMSkxlhZ/9GPme02w E4+HIlKf4UNr2g3/+E3jAxjnSSs5GjAT2hw+PqPdLd5p4rGkrBwyGm2NXbrw0dPW4FP6Klu9d ePQaE3H5HPfq80bcdk2FYQ8mX9rtwT/lZDSSthZDk9l2oVsj+pKnJbFCWKOHVhpdteSeripHS 9TG6bpib26cx9daHkyg+BvWi7LeKgpjVk/hL+cFH2xNXEv3jU0/mhxkiEeJY8FKn+ofldLKQl a4f8L6f+hw8ft5HHFBpAEIEwCd0mC6YdU8NMehzblE+tY8DIN7j1vQqdGgQMEO5Wtd0f3K4kB 2Ze4L/RRJBvSvObUB1D44KjMveIemvr5ZiiY+ezadfTYJFaldY0bKKU2YG9wPi6SdjpbufwPN w8y3R+Jy7ssItV+6CC5asJCVQUgG/WE1Sh9HGcKSOT9wmrSh4GIL2e1AQin+WdDYdoU6O7YcC Vbvcym5ourHyUu30C7xS4S+ESM0CdVzjQydL6Dt4RXOf826KEHtTGjg1ZYXaMc/+JtGoOhX9J Sjzhu/XvL8iqoyi/la0gYUbXLx5auPRx1VXYXvnI9tjkOleQBF22Ekj+lkK04/y2AtPq+l2FZ /Dc7cMc4U08ML22xm0w2HI1ZvOvK6MU/NfUHGNWl4IhvOjJqS9ClZm92CjGkA0WGhIRygJGyg Yj1GP+ZkHh3QB9CLR6oBJnLnnaJ+iLdTJ76N71q+lnBvHUhBUPo+KtN4L4gTboq4B2eQHgco9 vjl4qyaox5CH6SgR X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 13:15:16 -0000 On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:39:20 +0100, John wrote: > Hello lists, > > context: 11.1-STABLE #0 r331421 > > Source build: make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel > all work. I try running make installworld and I get the following error: > > # make installworld > make[1]: "/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/toolchain-metadata.mk" line 1: > Using cached toolchain metadata from build at eggs.local on Fri Aug > 17 17:17:15 BST 2018 > Illegal instruction (core dumped) > rescue/sh check failed, installation aborted > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/src > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/src > > This happens regardless of whether I use 11-stable sources or, as now, 12-current sources. > > I start the build like this, in /usr/src: > > 1. rm -rf /usr/obj > 2. mkdir /usr/obj > 3. rm -rf /ccache > 4. mkdir /ccache > 5. make cleanworld > 6. make cleandir > 7. make clean > 8 make -j2 buildworld > 9. make -j2 buildkernel > 10. make installkernel > 11. mergemaster -p > 12. make installworld Try to follow the instructions on top of /usr/src/Makefile (comment header). Before you perform "make installworld", make sure you have rebooted the system into single-user mode (with the new kernel). Also see "man 7 build" for details. > I'm going to try again without src.conf or make.conf. Is there > anything else that could cause this error? Hardware problems. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 18 20:27:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9741074C27 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from dd14614.kasserver.com (dd14614.kasserver.com [85.13.136.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2166D74880 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from [192.168.3.57] (p5496E1D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.150.225.208]) by dd14614.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13ACB43C0311; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:27:41 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: NFS + ZFS - Base System readonly From: Philipp Vlassakakis In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:27:40 +0200 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0595E83D-5E70-44B1-ACB5-A84261FB4A6D@lists.vlassakakis.de> References: <82BCE4D6-69DF-49E0-8648-4E9F3767D089@lists.vlassakakis.de> To: Daniel Feenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:27:50 -0000 Is there a way to have a separate passwd file for each client and not to = use the one of the template? I want to set up independent machines with different users. (NIS is not = an option) Regards, Philipp > On 13. Aug 2018, at 23:54, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >=20 >=20 > We have been using zfs for the exported OS partitions (indeed for all = FreeBSD partitions) for many years now with no problems. NFS speed is = pretty much the same as a local hard disk. >=20 > Daniel Feenberg >=20 > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Philipp Vlassakakis wrote: >=20 >> Hi Daniel, >>=20 >> it=E2=80=99s working, thanks. >> Now I still have to make some changes to the configuration files, = fixing entropy-file per host etc. but so far it looks very good. >> Do you also use NFS? If so, what is your speed? >> Did you tried ZFS already? >>=20 >> Thanks again! :) >>=20 >> Regards, >> Philipp >>=20 >>> On 13. Aug 2018, at 14:42, Daniel Feenberg = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Philipp Vlassakakis wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> has anyone experience in mounting a base system via PXE + NFS as = readonly and then mount ZFS datasets r/w on top of the base-system? >>>>=20 >>>> I would like to boot a basesystem (which is stored on a NFS share) = via PXE and mount ZFS-Datasets on top of that, so i can rollout specific = configs (hostname, services...) per Host and give user the ability to = edit config files (apache, mysql...) and store data on the ZFS-disks, = which will not be wiped due to a Host reboot. >>>=20 >>> We have been doing this for many years, for a score of systems. We = have a detailed description of our procedures at: >>>=20 >>> http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/FreeBSD-diskless.html >>>=20 >>> It works very well for us. Good luck. >>>=20 >>> Daniel Feenberg >>> NBER >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Is this possible? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Philipp >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>=20 >>=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 18 21:55:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142481077270 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:55:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [88.198.212.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EB27792B6 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from x220.lan (c-24-60-168-172.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [24.60.168.172]) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D827C2EAF80 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: missing perl module Lib::Text To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180810091228.GA10802@sh4-5.1blu.de> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=citrin+bsd@citrin.ru; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFjFfacBCAD1iyEIAXFiLT+egdxB4APkoLh9lWHv7OavCsIwaktbGpvx/FY1tm50Pt6n mF4pNrxrpIjATqWm9Tzl7EieFBeiFqXuq5Kx0zs73BgyXzxMnrzR7vrAc+E9NTr6BXu5Pbhu N4oSUxmSm6MDLoGv/LXEEIDUPaWXG5rXGOs2b0apHsKktrxSHczwLpT8DktnhGUTrsIsrFiv YwxoOmRcIqhmoRvc0blyj1W4fqTBSWfFOGHgbfemG6qWCuFD2nhngYj57FOpH7l3SO0Jd2b9 8/bOr/Jq+7EycTCFGk/48Z/hNmjZ6hizC9GHgRK5idruHggaWeonkwLbrA7RwjHkvQCpABEB AAHNI0FudG9uIFl1emhhbmlub3YgPGNpdHJpbkBjaXRyaW4ucnU+wsCUBBMBCAA+FiEEIzyn DGuZSu1g7YtSkaEDRZW7kZYFAljFfacCGwMFCQWjmoAFCwkIBwIGFQgJCgsCBBYCAwECHgEC F4AACgkQkaEDRZW7kZbyeQgAxG9G5DpXJJAJw8GMXQ9I2488w/Pv2jXsmjr8OsP8g4KOw/RW qjqCThLp2ge0EQxrNyWYd+bFuy3olnTucCwWC/oenSTrPg9JjFsq58mghcCquL/+64ScudRK sxC7pV8NS5UBthohJOAtmT7M68UuuQ5WhngRlRfrrvZ/tUxEQWkc2OFwyMDqAsBAvQzVHjya YmYO8zDY1jjzucqFN/rpmNKTzb4LpJ42Y5C0ap54nKfSbSFQClMPEdDRitCfu6GPKIqYd8Mx 3/1dylT1G7HimeRivcBq55Y02CXwp8tSEBpq4uac1bClQOImhs/UkwUhOU3Iqm3E7q3OOZ/g jQa8Ec7ATQRYxX2nAQgA1WAbaTVz010cXDYZcwzWcgTNnHcFAtMTHjNiioJU72tUphhdnOxw uHcAfDOjsg9d3wQZJORuKfnfeHz9e3rGTooGVJU+7i6A4mEjcM01R7EpqGZzFdCYfoVD0I4S eDOvVTUo1/Tho9MjZ9zLISchp//t+tCcw9513ZtVnXnC6PQ7eHkcAvBCMbUwPmJV4CG4ILR7 DwwjXLYTMPLXPOnld+3TrgH+is2+pf+n1m5pOKkop28/XkpHYKW5yP6Fj6DV/ChzdGGOq1Bi obm1dXSLcdMgw6fWHWAFfszMOxFEdIExNU9fi4lItO3j/4xYZ7CI08cSqldDt9sl0p9G4RdI PwARAQABwsB8BBgBCAAmFiEEIzynDGuZSu1g7YtSkaEDRZW7kZYFAljFfacCGwwFCQWjmoAA CgkQkaEDRZW7kZbPtggA3WigDCXtFSBa3/EnHojgHtp88jSTIuGruqa0ZyMm7Nci0hBBfkWw 9jNVxurRPAnsJ6SnWrdeUno1aOkzizi3yUpPj4Myovr7Kk+PiMM2DWkavlza5YwxFrgOqwmb fddrl4YBijdXe1WK/Nz3mYyx7Olg7WPxzJ8xjslv/D+a05qV2H4IQsTpj24pE6TUur81yxij dNXMowfW2/A2S4OJkHU54rRgOvcjz38Xcb2TU62vb7ulTqdU+bcbOKGdgnd7LMJEi5oJ0q8j q6ijwb2Eh+J2K/I41AUMvkPng59kdrB1AZlULlbTYeDz8yenX3lJ+REVt6eUhPXpPADIjnp8 tQ== Message-ID: <774720d8-d72b-49c7-6e7d-9681521d39a7@citrin.ru> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:55:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180810091228.GA10802@sh4-5.1blu.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1534629321; bh=Y45IXZC5tmPnuUA0fMfqQhGV/JyQqOvp79WJLVEBJrc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G00CmmIIv9XCyoQS5JE1+3gDCm9/vh2wdjd75KiQaqgZEELWxr3LYnHnvZ9QaBb6nseT+3Mn4Cxlqmqp2dTBYkkJJHrFGgIPQDDCFeZHNJb7syQvmyfK7qBYHOgWJDtAxiHbBS2OMbgEsu+CEylp6CKXuj1i+c82rYdWex927nM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:55:30 -0000 On 8/10/18 5:12 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I have a 3rd party perl script which says: > > $ ./magzett_PclToPs.pl < lp.test > lp.ps > Can't locate Lib/Text.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Lib::Text module) (@INC contains: /usr/local/sisis-pap/lib/perl5 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.24 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.24/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.24 .) at ./magzett_PclToPs.pl line 120. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./magzett_PclToPs.pl line 120. > > > WHat is the way to know which of the /usr/ports/*/p5-* is missing? Most perl modules have name with :: replaced by - so Lib::Text should have name p5-Lib-Text and currently there is no such port. Also I dind't found Lib::Text on cpan.org, probably it is some local module... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 18 22:50:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391521078268 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EBD7AA0E for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.89]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w7IMoQuO088529 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:50:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:50:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Philipp Vlassakakis cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: NFS + ZFS - Base System readonly In-Reply-To: <0595E83D-5E70-44B1-ACB5-A84261FB4A6D@lists.vlassakakis.de> Message-ID: References: <82BCE4D6-69DF-49E0-8648-4E9F3767D089@lists.vlassakakis.de> <0595E83D-5E70-44B1-ACB5-A84261FB4A6D@lists.vlassakakis.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2018/08/17 16:02:44 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2018/08/18 15:42:00 #8740877 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:50:35 -0000 On Sat, 18 Aug 2018, Philipp Vlassakakis wrote: > Is there a way to have a separate passwd file for each client and not to use the one of the template? > I want to set up independent machines with different users. (NIS is not an option) In the FreeBSD diskless booting process, each client receives the default /etc overwritten by whatever files we want to differ across clients with client specific files. We overwrite fstab on nearly every client and passwd on a few. I understand why you might want to avoid NIS. NIS was unreliable and undiagnosable when we used it, so we stopped using it. LDAP wasn't any better. It is a great relief to have an actual password file to examine. I couldn't find any information about this process in the Handbook, but the man page - "man diskless" or on the Web at: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=diskless&sektion=8&manpath=freebsd-release-ports does have this information, as does: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/FreeBSD-diskless.html Daniel Feenberg NBER