From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:20:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC8413469CB for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D34189B73 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545664797; bh=3v2mgHbKs74BdQrxCsGzWlBTzLvGbgbNivjaIuehuOQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=DkmGJNFISqN/KVGfapB3azGHzv+Hk8L88rue/M/rzOXR8hK5mToH2XeWizXFRM7L9 h3umtN3j12QsGEA4CFu74QrCyxKfqYne8Pl0FpeH9d0gaZ5I2aaGtwLRf34GaLwWed zEGpVje/YsXe7Zbay2wB47SxeD/hqHmoQZwwCaO2zjr3EPc9DagpeCCyd5ykrH0NuR m8ZCTGxxUTOHX2h2ZRADGvXN2JcsmskZp4jcsf/eZnlxwcjm/6vHoTkm31SrUJ9tD6 /uxG804f6prNmD8E9UkNSw4JJmu1Jhu7LQUp2Nt2+V678i9iaQX9RLYsE26X9PeOua BmTxRO3SM2r1w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:19:57 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You removed Weboob package over political reasons? 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Just like in all the anglo-american conquered world. We, the men who actually do work, are treated as the same worker-slaves everywhere. Opensource was a refuge from the worthless cunts (who ban us from having anything good, such as cute young child brides (allowed by YHWH)) but has not been for some time now. Part and parcel of anglo culture: the man is a dog, the wwuuuummmannn is a Noble. Now that Linus has caved all is lost. But you can always rescind license for your copyrighted works... (as-long as they are a bare license such as the gpl2). Absent an attached interest (ie: someone paying you for use of the work, or relying on your promises): you the rightsholder have the right to rescind at will. GPL v2 lacks such language disclaiming rescission, you made no utterances that one could rely upon to suggest that there would be no rescission, and you were paid no consideration for your work. .: You can rescind, just like any other property license. And yes, I am a lawyer. Men should be free to take girl children as brides and feminism should be eliminated from the earth (just as they seek to eliminate all pro-male cultures in the world) On 2018-12-24 14:58, Default User wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 05:20 Ivan Ivanov >>> 500 comments at Slashdot, >200 at Phoronix and >1000 at linux org >> ru! See now? >> When a technical project starts making their decisions over >> political reasons... >> rather than technical, it is doomed. Good time to switch to a >> similar distro.... >> with mentally sane leadership, like Devuan. Also what's good about >> Devuan : >> >> Devuan does not use SystemDick as its' init system! SystemD contains >>> 1 million >> lines of bloated code and lots of vulnerabilities have been found >> there and >> countless haven't, also the SystemD creators are arrogant and refuse >> to fix many >> discovered security vulnerabilities, to a point where they've been >> awarded a >> " Pwnie award " for refusing to fix a critical vuln. >> >> That is why I prefer the distros which are using something else as >> init system: >> either good old SysV, or something more modern like OpenRC (at Artix >> Linux) or >> runit (at Void Linux) , just not systemd! There are only a few such >> distros left >> because of Redhat pressure, and luckily Devuan is one of them. >> If you found Debian as useful before it went nuts then maybe you'd >> like Devuan, >> or even some other distros that I mentioned: Artix Linux =Arch with >> a human face >> (has GUI + everything configured by default, nice GUI package >> manager and >> convenient to use even for the beginners), and Void Linux -amazingly >> fast distro >> really suitable for old PCs, but lacks some packages so you'd need >> to compile >> the things from source once in a while, in comparison Artix has >> almost the same >> set of packages as Arch. Both Artix and Void are very stable despite >> their >> packages are really new and they are among the first to get new >> Linux kernels >> with fresh drivers. >> >> Or maybe MX Linux, one of the top popularity distros nowadays which >> is >> also "no systemd" and somehow only recently I learned about it >> >> Best regards, >> Ivan Ivanov, >> open source firmware developer > > How ridiculous that some pathetic questionable would spend their > precious time on Earth censoring package names which contain the > character string "boob". > > Sad. > >> From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:28:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A510D1346CFF; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D94B289F14; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545665333; bh=LbBXAHl9MbXz5ay5w/q4/wafmsAMRPXdbDmAQaWG4Yo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=oUL+EA0fgjxsfypIPUwaET4AOVc6bCol55TKXsy0p6OzA4Zckp+FZprBK978PF/NH nHvBq1S9xHkBjdV5+mi1X/QKHDkABaSL5S9KvpMse2IhKhlcU1UJeuSipK2hZTIdV+ pHTET/cgwoNiAsndxdtmbLNHujAUfKYhyn/2iBXMJlkaPN8PxJS5zvbvpac8xXRv3N r4s0+wbEixVQpFJOZy7vCkX0mU67T7LJct4M2+6yBQ8lvdflXgEpNaDppi4VAh1Qe9 7At0zN56u3/lYG85WMo8GBZf85hi1fUGpMx5BSSqO8aHsyOOjK3GC1q56z/3PC8ejr pQ+Ap7enmItuw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:28:53 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: 2 months and no response from Eben Moglen - Yes you can rescind your grant. 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Eben Moglen has published no research. Because there is nothing more to say: The GPLv2, as used by linux, is a bare license. It can be rescinded at the will of the grantor. The regime that the FSF used, vis-a-vis the GPLv2, is essential: copyright transfers to a central repository entity that is sure not to rescind. Linus chose not to adopt this regime. He benefited by greatly increased developer contribution. The price for that windfall was and is the retention of their traditional property rights by the property holders. They can rescind at will. They made no promise nor utterance to the contrary that can be relied upon. They were paid no consideration. There was no meeting of the minds. Additionally the CoC regime itself is a license terms violation, being an additional restrictive term, as explained in the other analysis. (Similar to the GRSecurity license violation) On 2018-10-26 18:31, Eben Moglen wrote: > On Friday, 26 October 2018, visionsofalice@redchan.it wrote: > > You are conflating case law dealing with commercial software and > non-gratuitous licenses with the present situation, which would > likely > be a case of first-impression in nearly any jurisdiction. > > I think the best procedure would be for me to publish my analysis and > for you then to tell me what is wrong with it. What you say here > sounds like what a lawyer might say, but isn't. I have been teaching > this stuff for about thirty years, so if I am conflating or confusing > anything I will be grateful for help in seeing my mistake. > > The rule for gratuitous licenses is that they are revocable at the > will > of the grantor. > > That's not actually "the rule." It sounds like it might be the rule, > but it so happens that it's not. When I have given the explanation as > I have learned, taught and depended on it, you will be able to show me > what I am wrong about. > > Raymond Nimmer (God rest his soul) was in agreement on this point, > vis-a-vis the GPL and similar licenses. > > You have your Nimmers confused. The primary author of the treatise > Nimmer on Copyright (a book about the law, not in itself an authority) > was Melville Nimmer. The treatise is continued by his son, David, a > fine lawyer with whom I do from time to time politely disagree about > something. Ray Nimmer is quite another person. > > Eben From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:49:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84928134760D; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FD108AB2F; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1545666555; bh=+ZUI+/bOtwof4ayG9O/TYOVk42OfwKlQEiWi3hQWsB8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=KsQ8Ty497BQarYm25f7dRj3yY/z3ys932me0sJdIIs4lYuSL1BpAN5eepqi08/fb3 PyvvGkBt8SH43Gfx6pqoqWHoPkYgFmugvC+cwxq8Ho3ipVd/iRgukz65Ji2b1sO/7l gfyea6veeanTLpoPC3Toxh7dZMxqpB5gb/KvaRdNXt1rjEIq+4QLjf5tX63v6oaoYW gkBAqgptA5/wLAXvJr5gWQV5069ForsJTuqTz8aATm95gm7fFyCz2fqKPseDVfok2+ +HWj/InqRcovKV9mHS3hDIsov3nAkP+ADFXy+inXrLHAVXJ2ZwNEhqzSh8NoiTydcT hXdsFtyTd6liw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:49:14 +0000 From: visionsofalice@redchan.it To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor. 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Kuhn: The SFConservancy's new explanation was refuted 5 hours after it was published: Yes they can, greg. The GPL v2, is a bare license. It is not a contract. It lacks consideration between the licensee and the grantor. (IE: They didn't pay you, Greg, a thing. YOU, Greg, simply have chosen to bestow a benefit upon them where they suffer no detriment and you, in fact, gain no bargained-for benefit) As a bare license, (read: property license), the standard rules regarding the alienation of property apply. Therein: a gratuitous license is revocable at the will of the grantor. The licensee then may ATTEMPT, as an affirmative defense against your as-of-right action to claim promissory estoppel in state court, and "keep you to your word". However you made no such promise disclaiming your right to rescind the license. Remeber: There is no utterance disclaiming this right within the GPL version 2. Linus, furthermore, has chosen both to exclude the "or any later version" codicil, to reject the GPL version 3, AND to publicly savage GPL version 3 (he surely has his reasons, perhaps this is one of them, left unstated). (GPLv3 which has such promises listed (not to say that they would be effective against the grantor, but it is an attempt at the least)). The Software Freedom Conservancy has attempted to mis-construe clause 4 of the GPL version 2 as a "no-revocation by grantor" clause. However, reading said clause, using plain construction, leads a reasonable person to understand that said clause is speaking specifically about the situation where an upstream licensee loses their permission under the terms due to a violation of the terms; in that case the down-stream licensee does not in-turn also lose their permission under the terms. Additionally, clause 0 makes it crystal clear that "You" is defined as the licensee, not the grantor. Another issue the SFConservancy's public service announcement chooses to ignore. Thirdly, the SFConservancy banks on the ignorance of both the public and the developers regarding property alienation. A license does not impinge the rights of the party granting the license in a quid-pro-quo manner vis a vis the licensee's taking. A license merely grants permission, extended from the grantor, to the licensee, regarding the article of property that is being impinged. A license is NOT a full nor is it a permanent alienation of the article(property) in question. The impinged property, being under a non bargained-for temporary grant, can be taken back into the sole dominion of the owner - at his election to do so. Now as to the 9th circuit appellate court's decision in Jacobsen v. Katzer . While the court waxes eloquently about opensource licenses, even mentioning the word "consideration" in it's long dicta, when it comes time to make the binding decision the court found that the lower (district) court was in _ERROR_ regarding the application of contract-law principals to the Artistic License, regarding the case, and instructed the lower court to instead construe said license as a Copyright License. The SFConservancy, and Bruce Perens have chosen to: 1) Rely on the dicta. (non-binding - "some things could be contracts - opensource is great") 2) Ignore the actual ruling. (Binding - Copyright License - Not Contract) 3) Ignore that this case was about the AL, not the GPLv2 4) Ignore the existence of different jurisdictions. (Why file in the roll-the-dice 9th district if you can file in a district that has personal-juristicion over the defendant and is much more consistent in it's rulings?) 5) Ignore all established law regard property licensing, contract formation, meeting of the minds, what consideration is etc. Which is not surprising considering the desire of people like Bruce Perens is to rob MEN of EVERY benefit of their Labour and every speck of happiness in life and to transfer those benefits to WOMEN and those who support women. (This is why people who are like Bruce Perens, the SFConservancy menbers, and the CoC supporters, banned men from taking female children as brides: in contrivance to the law of YHWH (Devarim chapter 22 - - verse 28 (na'ar (LXX: padia)), and continue to uphold that ban world-wide, and seek to destroy ALL cultures that do no bend to their will.... who are not idolators of Women) Look, you may love your users, you may love the people who edit your code in their home or office; but the fact of the matter is... They have done nothing for you, they have promised nothing to you. They CANNOT hold YOU. You have the right to rescind at any time, and remove your work from any future versions of Linux. And you might consider doing so if YOU are done harm. Don't let the insatiable, never-satisfied, public fool you into thinking otherwise. And, yes, I am a lawyer. And, no, unlike the SFConservancy, I did not have to call upon outside counsel to analyze the fact pattern. (And even then all they could come up with was statements using weasel words "may" etc: not even wanting to commit to their clearly-disingenuous publication) (Note: If you would like to read a nice discussion on the topic, here is one http://illinoisjltp.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumar.pdf ) On 2018-10-25 08:19, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it > wrote: >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. > > No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. > > greg k-h On 2018-10-29 22:31, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it > wrote: >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. > Greg KH responded on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:19:11 +0100: >>> No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. > > I was explicitly cc'ed on this thread by visionsofalice. I've read the > whole thread, and the only useful thing I can contribute here is to > agree > with Greg and additionally provide some backup research on the point: > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2018/sep/26/GPLv2-irrevocability/ > > Software Freedom Conservancy engaged our legal counsel to write a new > section for the Copyleft Guide that further explains the irrevocability > of > GPLv2. We published this when others raised these specious claims back > in > September. Direct link to new section: > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech8.html#x11-540007.4 > > > HTH, From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Mon Dec 24 15:50:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD1D134765E; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A1E8AB6E; Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from visionsofalice@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1545666602; bh=LcdDQ9Sz3n3SFE735mMMEkFLwsX7CjZ2YGqZxW9m9nk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=EvyfZNpKJsUdUFO8XZ+P1oizxl+Qn7ixq1Pt44FQnTdbespLrdKv+iJDd78zskbXs +eWvPOrq7t/fyMX465uRkToM5iYVOvsTitGOKjDsYPiyemvMvLbuCjgu4NF083qGOM zakNsppwWI386j64yQ1xDWl3o0Q9UZiv1RMalr2pNWCAFaer+qpZv8BdTMIuc0aQ1e aGe3PFkIJpjXw3aY0A4iAEMXQwxDEuzB5nHZiz+ZGv/AF4UM0cZvBlMSJ1gnqJ+IIP 55oluqaBNta4Wv1qKfnVCkuEhdl3yQMo4ZpmjPnRZEWM0GK2RwUBu/8QN0jwS87ZjT vJ+22BWB/U2hg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:01 +0000 From: visionsofalice@redchan.it To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Reason for RedHat purchase 30 pct over market cap Message-ID: <800f677528fc7c407776dbbf5ffcadd2@redchan.it> X-Sender: visionsofalice@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 15A1E8AB6E X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=EvyfZNpK; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of visionsofalice@redchan.it designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=visionsofalice@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redchan.it]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[redchan.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.920,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.71)[asn: 200651(-3.48), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-women@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD advocacy for women List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:50:05 -0000 Redhat has achieved "governance" over the Linux(TM), via systemd and the Code of Conduct. You, contributors, are now treated as employees. They are confident that you will not assert your property rights, since you attack those who do (See: Netfiter saga), and take it as an honour to sign documents pledging that you will not assert your property rights (prepared for you by your now-masters). They know that you are psychologically bound to behave as hirelings - servants, and not as property owners. Thus they can rest easy knowing the ground is, though made of sand, not in seeming danger of a tempest. Because of you. Because of your history of supplication. Your enuich-like nature. A nice example is Bradly Kuhn's recent blog posts 1) Excoriating RMS and 2) showing how he himself is submissive to a woman he hired. He's even angry that others still treat him with respect rather than transferring all the good will to the female figurehead everyone is supposed to now respect (for what reason? No, being an actual programmer is not required: sufficent is being a member of the "better" species that rules over the males under the anglo-american system that Bradly Kuhn and his kind uphold ) If I were them I would never donate another cent to the SFConservancy, and I would seek a claw-back of the funds that I did donate for improper use (yes this is possible under both California and New York law). Especially since they seem to have no in-house lawyers what-so-ever (so what is their purpose?). We are supposed to be proud that his mind is as innocent as his visage (perhaps why he had to hire outside counsel to give him an incorrect and abundantly couched opinion) [1] http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2018/11/22/gnu-kind-communication-guidelines.html [2] http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2018/06/21/everyday-sexism.html From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:12:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B67C1421E37; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6F198A1F1; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545941549; bh=52AdPDMsW9Ymh97xkjtD3NHn67drtE6th6bXKip2k34=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=sP87Kajt8vFeF3pHOJA4jGKKRG+fPoVhOfsP0HPRJ4gR7ViphGDCohygrrFB84bBd y4PdH1ksmAIXXFyRQr5DL8F/0IqDen5Pm0GC8+/fg+1rVJ9A8nqDdo9iiZ8vl6fZ5V m1ioBTxUb6oWCKL2/LBo1ed3mdI8LxVEhFzEdi+vKUy508EermFMe//LRwB7q1jewE QHxX50kWZgir0O3ly8K/ap+FFvwYkotMU+5SJSGQdPZuMua1cKypkpdmYoZR1XWyZB BMmBS5D2qvbUtLxg2uiiqLngmoPE8dQIP0Dhvqd7/dA+Xtw7EwDJ5X+dt94xjKdSeg Js8kxcqR2Swng== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:28 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Raul Miller Cc: visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor. In-Reply-To: References: <238e9be2bb4751406260ebdc7686ef54@redchan.it> Message-ID: <673b3e733204be78710280893ccc350d@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E6F198A1F1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=sP87Kajt; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; HAS_WP_URI(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.70)[-0.699,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.72)[asn: 200651(-3.52), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-women@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD advocacy for women List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:12:50 -0000 > (2) ... (I am not going to go over the legal mistakes you've made, > because of (1))... I have not made legal mistakes, pompous programmer asshole*. A gratuitous license, absent an attached interest, is revocable at will. This goes for GPLv2 as used by linux, just as it goes for the BSD license(s). The only entities who have, with regards to BSD, an attached interests are perhaps those companies who pay for its development. Non-gratis (paying) customers may have some refuge under consumer protection statutes, for current versions they have in their posession, paid for by good consideration. Everyone else has NOTHING. Do you understand that? In the case of the 1000's of linux copyright holders to whom no consideration was given by an entity, and the various BSD copyright holders (read: the programmers), who have not ASSIGNED their copyright over to some other entity, there is NOTHING to hold them to a promise THEY NEVER MADE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NEITHER THEY NOR YOU HAVE PROMISED NOT TO ELLECT TO USE YOUR AS-OF-RIGHT OPTION TO RESCIND YOUR GRATUITOUS LICENSE REGARDING YOUR WORK. One cannot rely on a promise that was never made, additionally many of them were never paid consideration for this non existant promise either. *(Note: I am both a programmer and an attorney, so I know the type) On 2018-12-24 16:01, Raul Miller wrote: > (1) Wrong mailing lists - these are not linux mailing lists. > > (2) ... (I am not going to go over the legal mistakes you've made, > because of (1))... > > (3) Anyways, ... people do make mistakes... But, please stop making > these mistakes. > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM wrote: >> >> Bradley M. Kuhn: The SFConservancy's new explanation was refuted 5 >> hours >> after it was published: >> >> >> >> >> Yes they can, greg. >> >> The GPL v2, is a bare license. It is not a contract. It lacks >> consideration between the licensee and the grantor. >> >> (IE: They didn't pay you, Greg, a thing. YOU, Greg, simply have chosen >> to bestow a benefit upon them where they suffer no detriment and you, >> in >> fact, gain no bargained-for benefit) >> >> As a bare license, (read: property license), the standard rules >> regarding the alienation of property apply. >> >> Therein: a gratuitous license is revocable at the will of the grantor. >> >> The licensee then may ATTEMPT, as an affirmative defense against your >> as-of-right action to claim promissory estoppel in state court, and >> "keep you to your word". However you made no such promise disclaiming >> your right to rescind the license. >> >> Remeber: There is no utterance disclaiming this right within the GPL >> version 2. Linus, furthermore, has chosen both to exclude the "or any >> later version" codicil, to reject the GPL version 3, AND to publicly >> savage GPL version 3 (he surely has his reasons, perhaps this is one >> of >> them, left unstated). (GPLv3 which has such promises listed (not to >> say >> that they would be effective against the grantor, but it is an attempt >> at the least)). >> >> >> >> >> The Software Freedom Conservancy has attempted to mis-construe clause >> 4 >> of the GPL version 2 as a "no-revocation by grantor" clause. >> >> However, reading said clause, using plain construction, leads a >> reasonable person to understand that said clause is speaking >> specifically about the situation where an upstream licensee loses >> their >> permission under the terms due to a violation of the terms; in that >> case >> the down-stream licensee does not in-turn also lose their permission >> under the terms. >> >> Additionally, clause 0 makes it crystal clear that "You" is defined as >> the licensee, not the grantor. Another issue the SFConservancy's >> public >> service announcement chooses to ignore. >> >> Thirdly, the SFConservancy banks on the ignorance of both the public >> and >> the developers regarding property alienation. A license does not >> impinge >> the rights of the party granting the license in a quid-pro-quo manner >> vis a vis the licensee's taking. A license merely grants permission, >> extended from the grantor, to the licensee, regarding the article of >> property that is being impinged. A license is NOT a full nor is it a >> permanent alienation of the article(property) in question. The >> impinged >> property, being under a non bargained-for temporary grant, can be >> taken >> back into the sole dominion of the owner - at his election to do so. >> >> >> >> Now as to the 9th circuit appellate court's decision in Jacobsen v. >> Katzer . While the court waxes eloquently about opensource licenses, >> even mentioning the word "consideration" in it's long dicta, when it >> comes time to make the binding decision the court found that the lower >> (district) court was in _ERROR_ regarding the application of >> contract-law principals to the Artistic License, regarding the case, >> and >> instructed the lower court to instead construe said license as a >> Copyright License. >> >> The SFConservancy, and Bruce Perens have chosen to: >> 1) Rely on the dicta. (non-binding - "some things could be contracts - >> opensource is great") >> 2) Ignore the actual ruling. (Binding - Copyright License - Not >> Contract) >> 3) Ignore that this case was about the AL, not the GPLv2 >> 4) Ignore the existence of different jurisdictions. >> (Why file in the roll-the-dice 9th district if you can file in a >> district that has personal-juristicion over the defendant and is much >> more consistent in it's rulings?) >> 5) Ignore all established law regard property licensing, contract >> formation, meeting of the minds, what consideration is etc. >> >> Which is not surprising considering the desire of people like Bruce >> Perens is to rob MEN of EVERY benefit of their Labour and every speck >> of >> happiness in life and to transfer those benefits to WOMEN and those >> who >> support women. >> >> (This is why people who are like Bruce Perens, the SFConservancy >> menbers, and the CoC supporters, banned men from taking female >> children >> as brides: in contrivance to the law of YHWH (Devarim chapter 22 - - >> verse 28 (na'ar (LXX: padia)), and continue to uphold that ban >> world-wide, and seek to destroy ALL cultures that do no bend to their >> will.... who are not idolators of Women) >> >> >> >> >> Look, you may love your users, you may love the people who edit your >> code in their home or office; but the fact of the matter is... >> >> They have done nothing for you, they have promised nothing to you. >> They >> CANNOT hold YOU. >> >> You have the right to rescind at any time, and remove your work from >> any >> future versions of Linux. And you might consider doing so if YOU are >> done harm. >> >> Don't let the insatiable, never-satisfied, public fool you into >> thinking >> otherwise. >> >> And, yes, I am a lawyer. >> And, no, unlike the SFConservancy, I did not have to call upon outside >> counsel to analyze the fact pattern. (And even then all they could >> come >> up with was statements using weasel words "may" etc: not even wanting >> to >> commit to their clearly-disingenuous publication) >> >> >> (Note: If you would like to read a nice discussion on the topic, here >> is >> one >> http://illinoisjltp.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumar.pdf >> ) >> >> On 2018-10-25 08:19, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it >> > wrote: >> >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. >> > >> > No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. >> > >> > greg k-h >> >> >> >> On 2018-10-29 22:31, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 07:56:26AM +0000, visionsofalice@redchan.it >> > wrote: >> >> The linux devs can rescind their license grant. >> > Greg KH responded on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:19:11 +0100: >> >>> No they can not, please do not keep spreading false information. >> > >> > I was explicitly cc'ed on this thread by visionsofalice. I've read the >> > whole thread, and the only useful thing I can contribute here is to >> > agree >> > with Greg and additionally provide some backup research on the point: >> > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2018/sep/26/GPLv2-irrevocability/ >> > >> > Software Freedom Conservancy engaged our legal counsel to write a new >> > section for the Copyleft Guide that further explains the irrevocability >> > of >> > GPLv2. We published this when others raised these specious claims back >> > in >> > September. Direct link to new section: >> > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech8.html#x11-540007.4 >> > >> > >> > HTH, >> >> >> From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:30:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2684D142227F; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB778A8B7; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545942637; bh=n4ay6dIBycgFXUvx4jdmOJukGdV4cGm8XN2Ae0Qc4CA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=NHz/BEBqzGGEF6Ugh/xaX+qvtSO97bp+RjJrjoYqZV6IkNc6YmasCvMrGApajzKWM YaCxmQQghVIFAHcbEfjrtkGqlm0qUQX1XktbWjRKLoXL/9uSt41cIbQVV1is2AedQZ UTaN3DZWHfWT3Q0WrvSK3vldilbm0CAniofPukk3DzD6PAVE56IUHoxNY+oUu7IHTy +dTWpZT1XYIxIuUB3XRrOJLGYJNqwx+Q63+lspVYx3UNyEPkRdsm7jVrJtdkWMkfjU 74pB8Hf2JyPrcmGXnw98feTPc5JZTvGHhjyH6C+kYt+4ljqxJWkLdGJRiipZQ2kywC qslrRJXSMheDQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:30:36 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Raul Miller Cc: visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Why is no one discussing this anymore? 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It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from programmers. Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by virtue of being "smarts"? Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I do know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a programmer too... but for something useful... like games :) ) Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, Linux is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report on how I'm wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades said: he's full of shit. Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one of them could shake the tree. From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Thu Dec 27 20:57:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE391422CED; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EFC08B632; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1545944275; bh=PDArw3eCKrgBPn3Du2da92DBo+ZezoXuDe42llF0hQM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=GqzG4yVjyvoaG/mriKkLP4VARTnTgJZ9LVYGHQM9lsyp/z1O2Pie+bosmCnir7JPS c6IpDx2wRsKvvKJd6l4PyhFNAPWjxN+PgbmQvquCOylNF/8qYf9y/j7tWlY8PPWLV1 3fDvfFpm2xM7HsiJsXMhFf11OMt4qawR8oLhlTuqLT/9qxeVo8e1MvFZuFeS56xt6R Y3xSdkQJkw/JbHrke/BpfXAI23tGc7v05tn+YrIg78SBRnbDvzaM3ie94XWiEmAVNE gj3zxMygHArMBE2mdoqtw8IMhEOhuKHqVmDKC+u+LyiDRZzBTcgsJFmMKPseWslvyy OSIL7vcHNGzRA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:55 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Paul Stuffins Cc: owner-misc@openbsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , Raul Miller , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, visionsofalice@redchan.it, owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2EFC08B632 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=GqzG4yVj; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.68)[asn: 200651(-3.31), country: SC(-0.08)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.450,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-women@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD advocacy for women List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 20:57:59 -0000 Waiting quietly for two months for Eben Moglen's preliminary write-up (which I was to be sent to "correct") got me no-where. Every seems to have concluded that the issue is settled since there was no more public discussion. All the "other side" said was "nuh-uh" and "you're not a lawyer" (false: I am) and "you deserve to be in prison , isn't practicing law without a license a crime!" (I have a license), and "I'm sure RMS would have made sure the license was not revocable" (he required everyone to sign over their copyright to his foundation... guess why...). Along with "This Artistic License Case decided the AL was not a contract, it was simply a copyright license!! SO THERE!!" (AL is not the GPL... but... the finding in that case helps me, why are you citing it?). (They wisely did not cite the printer driver case where the court looked at the offer to do (paying) business and decided that their was an offer and acceptance based on that other additional writing... since that one isn't on point at all except for the fact that one of the options in that writing was a choice of a GPL licensed work if you didn't want to pay a commercial fee. (The contract there was the other writing giving the option: Pay and get more rights, don't pay and here's the GPL), so at-least there's that.) Being nice did nothing but harm the case of the truth in the eyes of the people however. The guys on the DNG list (Steve Litt I believe) are the ones that want me jailed... On 2018-12-27 20:37, Paul Stuffins wrote: >> Are you idiots aware > Insulting people is not the right way to get your point across! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 16:55:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9311419B86; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [185.100.85.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04D44917C5; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546016104; bh=SvMJUa+8mncB6JN5eu6UjS/uj2HkwVGnO7hjGKk0pEg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=UUXhOtz+zKmP4JITAxfgcALGhp99OT6hA0oKWQWR+ghHkfSU4agTxro2aU2mzgubY o7LElLkNohw3Wp7sqImKtUF9u7OAti4+a9KJ7c2PWS1NK7K2N8leDtiDx0YFdELJpU qBDiZgoRXtk9kBXr6aX4sT0rBUYtkEhgRPHXJpkDcuIpJD3/J2VqIkbyW11X5USunn jXdlGB8gA7SRz4WcxDSSqF2iVzEldgfd/CTWCu5rsWkmBkvoAk2nlkq3e2Ub9+8Ibq XljnZchLi+qThwWkdLj8LB6Kyn2+zyjbHvr0DuQw76GIX9fnE67uFyXpg6UlMEgO5x f2ZCe/C29QR6w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:02 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: Bernd Petrovitsch Cc: Raul Miller , visionsofalice@redchan.it, freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, OpenBSD general usage list , owner-misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? In-Reply-To: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> References: <6b305c25-cf15-ac5d-d246-7c2e3c902f1b@petrovitsch.priv.at> Message-ID: <9fb6feaad76dca5342b55c4c17618075@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 04D44917C5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=UUXhOtz+; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 185.100.85.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.66)[asn: 200651(-3.20), country: SC(-0.08)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.581,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.100.84.0/23, country:SC]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-women@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD advocacy for women List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:55:09 -0000 > Real name pls, if want to be taken somewhat serious? Thank you. So where my logic cannot be attacked, my person may be instead? Do you think me a fool, simply because you do not know what you do not know (the law), yet think you do (an attribute of many programmers: know one field, know them all!)? I've explained the law again and again. But here it goes: Under the copyright statute, copyrighted works are alienable in all the ways property is. You can sell, transfer, and license etc. Copyright comes into existence the moment your work is placed in a fix form. The copyright is owned by the progenitor (you the programmer) until such time as you transfer it (ex: to an employee by way of employment agreement stating such terms), or you die (now your descendants own the rights), or you or your descendants elect to use the "claw-back" provisions in the US copyright act some decades after the work was fixed. You, both BSD programmers, and Linux kernel programmers have elected to neither sell nor transfer in other ways your copyrights. Instead you have chosen to license your works. A license is a temporary grant. Under property law it can be rescinded when the property owner wishes to do so. Unless, the property owner has been payed to forgo that right. That is: if the property owner has been payed by the licensee to promise that he will not rescind the license, then if the property owner elects to rescind the license the court may estop the property owner from doing so because the licensee has payed the owner FOR that right. Equivalent exchange, if you will. (But the court does not look to if the consideration was... equivalent, just that there was an exchange of some consideration (read: money, goods, services) and a meeting of the minds (both parties ment to do this)) In the case of most linux and BSD licensees nothing has been payed by them to the programmers(you the copyright holders) to induce a forbearance of the underlying rights of the property owners. Thus the original default rights still stand. You can rescind at will. Additionally, you have never promised that you would forego the utilization of your property rights, so there is no promise anyone could reasonably rely upon to estop you from utilizing said rights. Additionally, Licensee "E" did not pay you for that non-existent promise either. You are not bound. You may rescind. You now know why the FSF requires programmers to assign all copyrights to it. You now know why Eben Moglen remains silent these last two months. I am correct, yes I am a lawyer, and yes anything he speaks further would simply show the weaknesses in his (magnanimously) taken position in trying to fool the Programmers into thinking they have forfeited rights they have not. On 2018-12-27 21:53, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > On 27/12/2018 21:30, vsnsdualce@memeware.net wrote: > > Real name pls, if want to be taken somewhat serious? Thank you. > >> Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > You don't discuss anything in the first place: You just spam mails with > claims without any reproducible proof. > And since we are here on a techie-list, said proofs should be > techie-understandable - it's not that techies adjust to non-techies if > it goes in the other direction. > >> It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > > "Proof by claim"? I don't think so .... > >> Are you idiots [...] >> >> Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer[...] >> >> Are you idiots [...] > > Interesting "qualities" of communication are apparently in order for > (alleged) lawyers in your part of the world. > > MfG, > Bernd > > PS: Sry for feeding the troll- won't happen anymore, it's only spam > after all ... From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 17:18:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C676141A8D9; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F174992558; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PLING_QUERY,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546017483; bh=IdPQt51gv8ChUW9pxoKSHF0orDdvuiNByTVC000A3yE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BvPE8jGcxqctkz4ftDIXTs+WUapi7NmKXt8VBA0+6k1N1ksX3t6hwFKcodSz/ZNFd femqJzQPgbSjtc7W7qs30ZkMlWsOJ+jflSV2sM4vZyfEUK+R2seKIiw6iqmgSqXOP2 dGH/+4n0K1/GcpG3U8xLfhgSBrhDa9XcUQS0plY4LAOq+B3EyKIq5lmkOrhrbvuov1 unM5wp8lCBTwPfp1vIRqifbaamOVb5jIzbemUxuIB0etuQ4Z70sz51+zNDC6d1Jza7 tIHi0X1nsfKrQdpU3dVPJDFcB0KF9Wp0xjNspc4EsHjwfyOB0sN1qYOKQlP9n6Ir6x y+wCylnxRxLyg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:02 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: A lawyer?! In-Reply-To: <20181225125003.AE26C171A0745@cock.li> References: <20181225125003.AE26C171A0745@cock.li> Message-ID: <7deb937b392f2a2d2f71af9f13960d67@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F174992558 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=BvPE8jGc; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.498,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.67)[asn: 200651(-3.27), country: SC(-0.08)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-women@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD advocacy for women List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:18:08 -0000 Your initial argument, as I imagine you ment to communicate (a single negation, rather than the double negation you proffered) hits a snag: I am a licensed attorney. > "You ain't no lawyer, buddy" Your double negatives speak the truth: I am a licensed attorney. > "you're a clueless halfwit" I'm sure my intellect is half that of someone somewhere. > "clueless" Incorrect, I have informed you of the law, and my analysis is correct. > the likes of which I've seen innumerable times in my years with Linux Many lawyers perhaps begged the linux copyright holders to stop playing fast and loose with the law and their licensing regime. Their advice, of-course, was rejected, and their patches rejected by linus. One attempted patch (the GPLv3) very publicly so. > I'd ask when you're planning on moving out of your mom's basement, but, > really, we already know the answer to that: never. I notice that the nobles of europe, those that were not murdered, are still in the possession of their inherited lands, while you americans are poor as you constantly divide you wealth in your quest to be "real men". (You also murder anyone who likes cute young girls, in that same quest). > I'd tall you to grow up, but that ship has clearly sailed. I'm quite tall already. Enjoy your wage slave life though :) While you were slaving away, being a MhrrAhhN I attended law school, graduated, acquired my license, studied more, programmed videogames, studied more, built 3d architecture, studied more, did RL architecture, studied more, etc. And had parties every other week with my friends. While you pursued the goals of a real man. On 2018-12-25 12:50, fuck@fuckyou.net wrote: > Hahahahahaha! You ain't no lawyer, buddy -- you're a clueless > halfwit, the likes of which I've seen innumerable times in my years > with Linux. The Libertarian/Men's Rights morons who circle jerk > themselves to no end over on r/TheDonald. I'd ask when you're > planning on moving out of your mom's basement, but, really, we already > know the answer to that: never. > > I'd tall you to grow up, but that ship has clearly sailed. From owner-freebsd-women@freebsd.org Fri Dec 28 17:44:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-women@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E565141B22C for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F38793234 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vsnsdualce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PLING_QUERY,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546019049; bh=s0zqPFsYY8ec9E1esg0nCucoUNGApeXUsz9yw9aWrkc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=clRJ7/qykLEIVULt6zLkUXucFByPQTXoLCDgEZ4VI06AVe/EXmdYL5/NYyjeiI1Aa lVaRICHxQjLwFIyUB/ODFNb0/wp9VPsEVRNioVqy7azHvpbjj0ffjGsKW5aRRaZK5H ShOVH4m92RBMNoqzXWoKjLDe30zNNpa1P0barvWIfTKLbKQxfEgJW08zGjMStdem3E odUGdvIm/7h2P4F0ynqozRGixycB2vlmAsDcuWN2/7MAGRDRtFP+dzp+etIzrzcKLQ Q/XWanr2GuuGy+qxyZo2EXWKyW7LPE2bR1GxsYaRbMfluESoij8w47EOH83llvKjd9 ub9ZekEDLSYgw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:08 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: freebsd-women@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore? - Attack the messaging rely, not the message! In-Reply-To: <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> References: <20181228135728.GD5864@mit.edu> Message-ID: X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0F38793234 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=clRJ7/qy; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vsnsdualce@memeware.net designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vsnsdualce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.940,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.69)[asn: 200651(-3.37), country: SC(-0.08)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-women@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD advocacy for women List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:44:12 -0000 Lieutenant Ts'o: I see that you have adopted the strategy of "Attack the messaging service, not the message". You cannot refute my arguments, you and yours simply claim "it's a lie", "it's BS!", "it's a troll". The fact of the matter is: a license without an interest attached is revocable by the grantor. That is: if you have not been paid to forgo your right to rescind, you still retain that right. In the case of Linux or BSD: if entity X did not pay you, and did not reasonably rely on a promise not to rescind (a promise you never made), you can rescind the license at any time. This goes for all the 1000s of linux and BSD programmers who have not transferred their rights. Yes I am a licensed attorney. Yes my analysis is correct. And yes I'm still waiting on Eben Moglen's promised counter-analysis (it's been 2 months)... take a guess as to why. On 2018-12-28 13:57, Theodore Y. 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