From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu May 9 15:25:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2611584485 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 15:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from informator@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (mx1.cock.li [185.10.68.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4655A6D5CC for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 15:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from informator@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1557414991; bh=kqjJnv1l7CqFUPIZGszkS4/Xm9Fm7HKOAlbIulWh1LQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=tomGYe21zMHAXOOD2aWj4JGLcwG6gQKxJDv8LTQ/DN77Hy7pG0Pj0n1r2frofamPf pSw/ax1fxx8nrxBcklk1VKgwVnyGlqqTsJerV0dtL/HzM/Rq4xZutL1pMH3gV61bM+ M5isifNAinqXe9QUZhPjACnqGmisvMfUF+PyTnfFTzQKH5BcuZAa+gxURbe63n8x0+ 0BvBgjg6DCESUYiPsbm9Tu/3XJn1wpGOJc3caHSb36t9RdbTx2bfPyVBms8D6aNoHe rpOZ9/+Ctjq+RDUTYYg5XRAr+YNEoeGDZe2gDy0Jsl/oHgXHoF6FmeIH6l0jE2Gd+a QSsyjDwRw/8RQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 15:16:31 +0000 From: informator@redchan.it To: phk@phk.freebsd.dk Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Regarding threats to "CoC" you. - You do have recourse - license rescission Message-ID: <68ed688fdca3c53b6a79d5da5bbe5412@redchan.it> X-Sender: informator@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4655A6D5CC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=tomGYe21; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of informator@redchan.it designates 185.10.68.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=informator@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redchan.it]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[redchan.it:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.884,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.73)[asn: 200651(-3.56), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:185.10.68.0/24, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 15:25:06 -0000 Dear Poul-Henning "UNIX guru at large" Kamp; Many have noticed threats made against you recently to seek your ejectment from the FreeBSD project as retaliation for statements you made protesting the ceaseless and ever on-going slaughter of innocents; A transparent attempt to censor your political speech, if there ever was one. I am forwarding this message below to you because if such is attempted, you do have recourse: and that is the rescind the gratis license you have granted regarding the use of your works of authorship. You may rescind these grantsfrom your attackers, those who fail to defend your right to free speech, from the project itself, or from all free-takers (if such is your wish). Remeber: A non-exclusive license grant is not a transfer of copyright, and such a license absent bargained-for consideration is just that: a license (permission); it is not a contract and does not bind the /grantor/ to any terms. It can be revocated at any time, for any or no reason. This applies to all the "classic" free licenses, from the MIT license, to the BSD license, to the GPL. ------- The proclamations made by some as to the irrevocability of freely given non-exclusive licenses are incorrect. If the non-exclusive licensee did not pay the copyright holder consideration for receipt of the permissions given regarding the copyrighted work, the copyright holder can freely rescind those permissions _AT_ANY_TIME_ . The reasons are as follows: For the licensee to "hold" the licensor to any promise regarding when and how rescission is to take place there must be a contract between the two. A contract requires valid bargained-for consideration. Otherwise any "promise" made is an Illusory Promise (unenforceable). "Nothing" is not valid consideration. Obeying a pre-existing duty is not valid consideration. The licensee has a pre-existing duty to obey copyright law, without permission from the copyright holder he may not use/modify/make-derivative-works-of/distribute/distribute-derivative-works-of. That permission is what he is attempting to "contract" for. Saying one will follow those permissions is not valid consideration to "pay" for those permissions. Promising not to violate the copyright holder's rights -by promising to only use the copyrighted works as freely permitted by the copyright holder, is not valid consideration as that is a pre-existing duty. Yes: you _C_A_N_ revoke GPL/BSD/MIT/etc permissions from free-takers at your will. And you should do so if that is needed for your livelihood to succeed. You should do so if it is simply your want. (And you should do so if you are attacked by those free-takers) Do not the pennyless leaches intimidate you from making your own decisions regarding your work of authorship. They gave you nothing, you asked for nothing, they have nothing. Remember: a non-exclusive license is not a transfer, it is permission. Permission that can be ended at any time unless there exists an attached interest (ie: the other side payed you for a license contract) Also Remember: The FSF has _always_ (and still does) required Copyright Transfers before it would accept a contribution. And yes: I am a lawyer. Of course: consult your local copyright attorney. Strategy is important in these cases. The free-loaders feel they have the 9th circuit judges in the bag, and that the 9th circuit will invalidate the concept of consideration if needed to protect the California tech industry (so revoke from those outside the 9th circuit first). For easy to read by lay-people discussions on this topic: lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/4/334 lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/3/698 For legal articles and treatises that agree: no consideration from GPL free-taker, no contract, revocable by the copyright holder: scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/1857/ www.amazon.com/Open-Source-Licensing-Software-Intellectual/dp/0131487876 papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=243237 Sincerely; Pro-Bono Attorney (Note: all discussion herein is in relevance to US law) From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu May 9 20:54:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F07A158DBFE for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 20:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-18.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-18.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C3FA81EAA for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 20:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: BOjH_EoVM1mRZAegDt5F.Y40GQdfiXvb29gD3gF.0hE8oP_f9MK7MU3WtZJK3GS DU2MmBbPIoeKk_BWYvNzls7qzD5vGJhrkcbuve9YwSvcAsf5SmdReYGiGRQZePVGG8iVpGGvSiUq 6uI9feC6ESIQkG4Lz50dUDdABS2Ap5SZYZeyjU5UmXx1iQjgn2IOwNeVQVk77qy07cCF4xMzgaQH wDPBJttIWWAM5YF6WkugFy0Rssh8jTpkuFt0BKjY25I7rpoTMbyKFS.LjnE8w6_Dj3VLNeZokoPi UOYpzKgBeF9Il1sa8MrB0X9gILTtLh._xt36st55_D55Nb0VH6vuoeU0FPb2XedeTTEVWCbFcUBn XagGM1Axfg5r9u5lCphR6xJr_1l5rhLycQmc2OW7eG7dFZuA0aDSH3uk.SOCo.zvzwI6UxbfY9vI iFMz3X.KZ5KWErp3QVmC31LgrPiCBFxyoKFwwJReV3zP0ao2_VAr0x6LaIPRbXHXHpw0bAhP86wy bqR_Ell9.iTZdYxgztTYMjanOnO6u2T_jAgWSdkWkRL6wo2p1amRmsGkdVXMb_qeik4nMJmWXtjt mU4N9Wk9bM2P4e67lsjrYtiAJV9IApVXSR_I55X_mXFIHRBQxCsm_oANwFwUxj9HldZz7rSBDuxj vEKPvCcrWusyq70QDXOQf6T4sqOFbp6_Qv5YlQuuB5mUxix3csnLByHcdPzp4AhdpejSHQNm3pnu 9ny0Nwb0_DIa3nOVz06ifRtn4GGm5ZtFH05XMFkMRgI3Bcl04eLJqO5hKzTss2wDXIrJhWcXUD.y _b4XlwfH6YdilSjz20P7bVc5m2BLPtUCwdl60blyIPkOaVy4oddy1roxR6oO3L09X1VpfpgaTsgM m04plc5rfkXYi39Io9BM_V9Ue.nwT30r0bLVDHocqI4LScFG9fjVE32XwEe._SP3qA5bg9DLeln6 sNiRFsP58peYBN7qibY7CubJzpXlwdr8TiiE4z2Fu9j.X_0sBaMXoU9RMS9g3lwgXmoFqyK9Gfew 13sG3hOEgiadmCXeKoW.lRq0WPg4lQ.IJlkfKa4jHWeZgu1s5nu9h7o6itbps1JOrzSJZEpOVNxt Udbvv.UYrEbVGtGhrwk0Xy93bRvsbd0qVWzfz6qxQRLOlbPWnz.Tzyo4NghNvUlXmG4OyjxOwjG8 3HWiiiJA5FnsPjbeg Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2019 20:54:43 +0000 Received: from x5d8591c3.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([93.133.145.195]) by smtp406.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1f93514f96f6bbb607f652cff2b2215c; Thu, 09 May 2019 20:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 22:44:26 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Disposable email addresses - Was: Regarding threats to "CoC" you. - You do have recourse - license rescission Message-ID: <20190509224426.4f396bc0@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6C3FA81EAA X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.97 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.19)[ip: (6.68), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.43), asn: 34010(1.91), country: GB(-0.09)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[195.145.133.93.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.986,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.38)[0.383,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.91)[0.909,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 20:54:51 -0000 Hi, please ban disposable email addresses, such as redchan.it. There are enough lists of disposable email addresses available for exactly this purpose. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu May 9 21:10:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF9D158E078 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 21:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x234.google.com (mail-oi1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8D8182536 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 21:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x234.google.com with SMTP id x16so3014317oic.6 for ; Thu, 09 May 2019 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsdgirl-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aLddK3+PKoLIG96JrE/rrpJcpp+c053Y0ZYkrG9y7T4=; b=NFsoL+iQUOnW6glnNYQas3tJdvLMy6JmM7HNL3qnc4/NBOY+A2yPtlXSAbEXzkLQqX O6qi2OFFw2cfgn7odb7aVVaT08Mjya1iwLUn+pw7vpVuVzLc946tpI5+oUsRwyY9jGGb kxFSfj3oPG1d6F2z8fXd80ak6UyF+UEe5zc2k49Tj5twGIcdHHSmAs12blt0WrLmx+t1 lSvP/J22HK6YcHFZU0Sl4aQnKSEvwVObvwvkTnFcFti5MaGxBsSTR5xNnRfn6sqWGyNq QjCjVoySzWKg1updtrkoOP/QR5FbzRChn0Hyc5ypIP11bM6Qgs6i+GTFT/bUXA6EYPgP IDCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aLddK3+PKoLIG96JrE/rrpJcpp+c053Y0ZYkrG9y7T4=; b=ABcHC7myspsyidr13rH0sUbrabyxMOQTpWLZF1hD32dxQnpNCaB+db8kRbdJ9FJ/2q 4nx9HYU3MKeB8GKslVcczBqk1lGKgH2CyW348sd1eMZr16kLhJOy0judozspVYmSEcDi ojWuwjMt0TQlH/1PPE9bvVNVd8fMKFWPr1nWRLmGpiu7ypTKeExghvbetZxEIKKVfysX CbbuUJ1GMKlhkKcKw/Pgz5JwLOZIo7zU+AoluTEkD+Z3Ql9PTavmgZedA7AbAnmwdRkh vXn93EPwzs5DVgTO+2i9icxJ6I+FI4lYzVzJ+68xDmOaqs1Yvu/4VV455Ne0OVXPLJhy WudQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUcR1LXluFR6lBjbBdj4EYYW4tmoJ9AI2RStfwirIMk/fzEjqVM 8Az/W3rv0L7xtMmSispl2FXiA6TI3s3sFjSXMxc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw0avUqKhFxnBWbpR7S0ZpdHjPxEyCwsmtMeYpVA2IXr25Px6Z3Lp2QT73AQ2/1WTREYF3er/TF1xYmwvMh4R8= X-Received: by 2002:aca:fd45:: with SMTP id b66mr1149911oii.157.1557436254963; Thu, 09 May 2019 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <68ed688fdca3c53b6a79d5da5bbe5412@redchan.it> In-Reply-To: <68ed688fdca3c53b6a79d5da5bbe5412@redchan.it> From: Randi Harper Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 14:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Regarding threats to "CoC" you. - You do have recourse - license rescission To: informator@redchan.it Cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E8D8182536 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=freebsdgirl-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=NFsoL+iQ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of sektie@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sektie@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[freebsdgirl-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-chat@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[13]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[freebsdgirl-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.888,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[randi@freebsdgirl.com,sektie@gmail.com]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsdgirl.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[randi@freebsdgirl.com,sektie@gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.97)[ip: (-9.28), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.24), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 21:10:57 -0000 Hm. You know, as a lawyer, it might be wise to not send people unsolicited legal advice. Most lawyers tend to shy away from that. But what do I know, I'm sure any email service that is associated with cryptocurrency and was named after an SVU episode where women developers were sexually assaulted by gamers is totally on the up and up. 100% legit. Thank you, sir, for this valuable service you have provided to the community. I applaud you and your bravery at ignoring common wisdom and legal convention. You have done us all a great service today. -- randi On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:25 AM wrote: > Dear Poul-Henning "UNIX guru at large" Kamp; > Many have noticed threats made against you recently to seek your > ejectment from the FreeBSD project as retaliation for statements > you made protesting the ceaseless and ever on-going slaughter of > innocents; A transparent attempt to censor your political speech, > if there ever was one. > > I am forwarding this message below to you because if such is > attempted, you do have recourse: and that is the rescind the > gratis license you have granted regarding the use of your works of > authorship. You may rescind these grantsfrom your attackers, those > who fail to defend your right to free speech, from the project > itself, or from all free-takers (if such is your wish). > > Remeber: A non-exclusive license grant is not a transfer of > copyright, and such a license absent bargained-for consideration > is just that: a license (permission); it is not a contract and does not > bind the /grantor/ to any terms. It can be revocated at > any time, for any or no reason. > > This applies to all the "classic" free licenses, from the MIT > license, to the BSD license, to the GPL. > > ------- > The proclamations made by some as to the irrevocability of freely given > non-exclusive licenses are incorrect. > > If the non-exclusive licensee did not pay the copyright holder > consideration for receipt of the permissions given regarding the > copyrighted work, the copyright holder can freely rescind those > permissions _AT_ANY_TIME_ . > > The reasons are as follows: For the licensee to "hold" the licensor to > any promise regarding when and how rescission is to take place there > must be a contract between the two. A contract requires valid > bargained-for consideration. Otherwise any "promise" made is an Illusory > Promise (unenforceable). > > "Nothing" is not valid consideration. > > Obeying a pre-existing duty is not valid consideration. > > The licensee has a pre-existing duty to obey copyright law, without > permission from the copyright holder he may not > use/modify/make-derivative-works-of/distribute/distribute-derivative-works-of. > > That permission is what he is attempting to "contract" for. Saying one > will follow those permissions is not valid consideration to "pay" for > those permissions. Promising not to violate the copyright holder's > rights -by promising to only use the copyrighted works as freely > permitted by the copyright holder, is not valid consideration as that is > a pre-existing duty. > > Yes: you _C_A_N_ revoke GPL/BSD/MIT/etc permissions from free-takers at > your will. And you should do so if that is needed for your livelihood to > succeed. > > You should do so if it is simply your want. > (And you should do so if you are attacked by those free-takers) > > Do not the pennyless leaches intimidate you from making your own > decisions regarding your work of authorship. They gave you nothing, you > asked for nothing, they have nothing. Remember: a non-exclusive license > is not a transfer, it is permission. Permission that can be ended at any > time unless there exists an attached interest (ie: the other side payed > you for a license contract) > Also Remember: The FSF has _always_ (and still does) required Copyright > Transfers before it would accept a contribution. > > And yes: I am a lawyer. > > Of course: consult your local copyright attorney. Strategy is important > in these cases. The free-loaders feel they have the 9th circuit judges > in the bag, and that the 9th circuit will invalidate the concept of > consideration if needed to protect the California tech industry (so > revoke from those outside the 9th circuit first). > > > > > > > For easy to read by lay-people discussions on this topic: > lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/4/334 > lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/3/698 > > For legal articles and treatises that agree: no consideration from GPL > free-taker, no contract, revocable by the copyright holder: > scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/1857/ > www.amazon.com/Open-Source-Licensing-Software-Intellectual/dp/0131487876 > papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=243237 > > > Sincerely; > Pro-Bono Attorney > > (Note: all discussion herein is in relevance to US law) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat May 11 15:25:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79D2159FF35 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 15:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tdteoenming@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-xc44.google.com (mail-yw1-xc44.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFFA18CE23 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 15:24:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tdteoenming@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw1-xc44.google.com with SMTP id b74so7249142ywe.5 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OXAlkdTt3iXa6PvQ/Cgsmx1rBk98FrggfRYo4IPN+Io=; b=Jjll9ij5g+LEFpviDyNzzJoFpo2XMJieweDqZj0CKCNqDDRW3MMXKn5VpZnY6VN0kF OWi0dpzKOyphvEr0ML13qEFmJeqwpVu1Dy5ULXHQplgOP0XD+KiFHI9asY8Ol4iNEJxv szlK429xqFZWOd4tRMCXi3AHmLlAEenqf24ZSYcw+fPtsXufBMbmAbvJleYXfNpeWZU9 bjkL3lCqhQDLQygnWh9rWgf9tmdv3km9x68zwjsARg1VFP7r8lsSlFqu3t2s2s6TFFIE XyowYSJwbcaqK0cftLAIbvOy6x0VYMgy8O+pqoRTsN56wZyc6sBXEb6GltYS4G83ukbO T4LA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OXAlkdTt3iXa6PvQ/Cgsmx1rBk98FrggfRYo4IPN+Io=; b=TG6InpLAXvOGAJl1PjoWImQG27vkU83dAsWVTmNlasBQ/S//eynY386Ke+J1oCyE9/ ElzOgAA5g8TjgdxR/2AB3Ij05HC+IUk2OxMVoankCbe4VwlQrbbx8R1idOct5TnHX2Jz GpZMn+Rmx9kQw81GgJb8tGP7EwFPIW74OrNGlC3Yc5AlKj9Qnv3jMHGqKrNVHBFFHTQ/ JMmCbEd95TRAlT4XqLc67kB53EsIk40QsR1oPZoA1fdnT/mBiqlk7f199q0Iuav+nSqT 4BaaHjIRVFIl2YN9n46N8PqXfvhnxmkcCclJJ/rqkFd6DWvoU0rFH6iwmn5bTTmbwVv7 Kvsg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVku+cdX6HaRWdRG6hYtU/ojVyJNdZzASyIHYw4scSuRfCI3XDw dPyitXISJGhMXQHvawqSFVWSRzoOLerifCbbNBJkLGs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwNTuJ8wqHGAcBKupZV9t+0Ceou3jGhZMQAAM1M7VQY8jEEqRaWdiubEDwG07scNB4QVlyIYUNQOUitevYlbEM= X-Received: by 2002:a81:3548:: with SMTP id c69mr8703655ywa.86.1557588298700; Sat, 11 May 2019 08:24:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 23:24:47 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: WOW! 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Toilet Cleaners in Norway Earn S$4700 Per Month, While Toilet Cleaners in Singapore Earn Only S$1000 Per Month WOW! WOW! WOW! Toilet cleaners in Norway earn SGD$4700 per month, while toilet cleaners in Singapore earn only SGD$1000 per month, which is almost about five times as much as what toilet cleaners earn in Singapore! You can read the following news article. News Article: Singapore: A Poor Man's Country in Rich Man's Clothes Author: Roy Ngerng Yi Ling (Singapore Citizen) News Outlet: The News Lens Date Published: 1st May 2019, Labor Day, Singapore Time Link/URL: https://international.thenewslens.com/article/118069 Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming is now thinking of flying all the way to Norway from Singapore to be a Toilet Cleaner! Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming is now 41 years old as at 11th May 2019 Saturday Singapore Time. Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming is currently working as a Senior Technical Support Engineer (Information Technology or Infocomms Technology) in Singapore, Singapore, earning a gross monthly salary of SGD$2800 per month (WOW! WOW! WOW!). Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming holds a Bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering from the National University of Singapore (2nd class lower honors) (graduated in December 2006), a one-year part-time Diploma (Conversion) in Computer Networking from Singapore Polytechnic (graduated in 2017), and a three-year full-time Diploma in Mechatronics Engineering (with Merit) from Singapore Polytechnic (graduated in 1998). In 1994, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming graduated from GCE "O" Levels (secondary school) with 7 A1s and 1 A2. His Primary School Leaving Examination (PSLE) score is 238 (year 1990). Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming was not allowed or forbidden to work from the year 2007 to the year 2017 (a period of 10 years or a decade), because he is a TARGETED INDIVIDUAL (TI). His employment history during this period of time (2007 to 2017) is extremely sparse. Singapore is one of the richest countries in the world, according to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF). Like Roy Ngerng Yi Ling, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming is also a Singapore Citizen. How much do you think Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming will be able to earn if he is working as a Senior Technical Support Engineer (Information Technology or Infocomms Technology) in Norway? Area of specialization is Network/System/Database Administration. As at 31st December 2018, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming's total Central Provident Fund (CPF) savings ("pension fund" in Singapore) is only SGD$54,518. This is extremely low in Singapore. Most other people of his caliber in Singapore should already have about SGD$700,000 CPF savings at this age, at the minimum. At 41 years old on 11th May 2019, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming does not own a house or residential property at all, not even a 3-room HDB flat. He is renting a one-room HDB rental flat from HDB. At 41 years old on 11th May 2019, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming has no car, not even a bicycle or a toy car. At 41 years old on 11th May 2019, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming has never had a credit card before. At 41 years old on 11th May 2019, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming has very little/meagre/mediocre personal savings. Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming is a TARGETED INDIVIDUAL (TI) in Singapore. -----BEGIN EMAIL SIGNATURE----- The Gospel for all Targeted Individuals (TIs): [The New York Times] Microwave Weapons Are Prime Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba-microwave.html ******************************************************************************************** Singaporean Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming's Academic Qualifications as at 14 Feb 2019 [1] https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com/ [2] https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.sg/ [3] https://www.scribd.com/user/270125049/Teo-En-Ming -----END EMAIL SIGNATURE-----