From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 27 00:37:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F49314B4D39 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 00:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 432CB7550A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 00:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.226.69]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MQdtO-1gZiYG0TzS-00NfXy; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 01:37:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 01:37:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: JD Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless interface Message-Id: <20190127013705.3e8cd5f3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5C4CE8B8.4030608@gmail.com> References: <20190126213957.adfeb61c.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C4CE8B8.4030608@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:mNMC2B4CUmHI/pKKINBubyRBZDUSiElqj3eXGPddofyDc7DEzYp cHjFA+C7FeA/fAWiYAO0cofCbQQhwwB4h1w7t2eWje1lTMnS3zZ58L937QTZ4KEA28vlHDY pST7obEEQaddreedO1r0lN2KbEsnGZmMdZjMxsHEWHFCYLKGf6Ifrz3GnT9Ae1ju8epyEpK gsfN6gnvVpkUGdoynNX2Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qGtYeU2TtJc=:2p5Mu1mRt6ryjdCXqVoVLx fibmf2ISMIQD0WFjThRdyVEX3AAmdgRjcZsg0cXmajqJH+J4T8K0Dez7UZTVsswDozTzTlYCX A8aamuCht2YZq3CNtSZuGR7QJdnP3V8PJC5OaoRO2QcPe4BmMRDiP+jbqRGAa6M26eWwrlnrk SII2dD/7YlSsCgxgS1rp/toShDZyxjtcddNWP0GT+GXJYGgeA/EGL/9DtQ6hBVUhNm6QrxsFW wg4tUEz8QcGyL1Mpv2rONqZys1niqjG6mEx0eymHFoHwJiXTzKSZF1fHv6uZERg2fc3OsNKU3 ZfX0IvKW9vAfnemO8etvreOuGbWljl0gTJwSZOmIKEYk+iCSg09ZXWP0r/Yg4VmV6a7WHNZqG FQMGh9vE468GN4Fmh1lExszLD37ir1OA8X87j5JsPRkAYqlL9eAL76X/XT8AMYoUKwY46/Y7c 2dQDV1AbUbMEgB2cMGdZ/N/Im4xg9Q3BYHmHz7cnxn3BqVyUCHUqvtyaB+S5W67dKn0NS45xv kwnlazH40XqDLq/a92422BzN6uRCO0BI7jqjKJu7nKupujDk/dgeYDE5rMjORkHPFW+1uus2s Cjos9DrgsU+wnoCdLsXQVjoTb1IT13f+QfZBoHcaHmDI/zG2u7q0VOmM1EjghaZBT55FLBzpp vZUrvgkdsynCokjo/mQAN9rS0WuriV1RxqZj5koBBhLx7+5G//AY/KTwbpg9MS9Y6nZCI2bCj IF6zZUfdfzKjhVMlEar1HBzXjVgzmyRofUdxJvdUJKm43AUVoISYriyeyEU= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 432CB7550A X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[69.226.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.52)[0.524,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.991,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[134.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[134.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.59)[ip: (1.45), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.66), asn: 8560(2.18), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 00:37:10 -0000 On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 16:09:44 -0700, JD wrote: > IMHO, today, there are no OS'es available to the public, > sans backdoors, spyware and other malware. What does make you believe this is true? Taking FreeBSD as an example, in how far does it include either a backdoor, a piece of spyware, or a piece of malware? I'm explicitely _not_ talking about something that you can install afterwards, or you can be "talked into" installing. I'm also not talking about web technologies for tracking and spying, because they use the web browser and its complexity, which is comparable to the complexity of a whole OS. And I'm not talking about the means an ISP can use to track its users or modify their traffic. Regarding backdoors, considering exploitable errors (which we don't know of yet) is different from mechanisms intendedly placed into the OS to circumvent security barriers provided by the OS or added by the user. This is not a sarcastic question. I'm really asking myself (and you) why FreeBSD could _not_ be considered to be available to the public _without_ containing backdoors, spyware, or malware. Sure, as soon as you add a web browser to the mix, you can get at least the commonly accepted (!) "crap of the web" if you wish - but that's not something the OS will contain in a default installation. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...