From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 05:37:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532B5154DEAE for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [IPv6:2607:f440::d85c:e745]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2CB96A7C6 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6D88A536E; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 01:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:37:13 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2CB96A7C6 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org does not designate 2607:f440::d85c:e745 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailwash31.pair.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.183,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:2607:f440::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.68)[ipnet: 2607:f440::/32(-2.75), asn: 7859(-0.60), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:37:23 -0000 I have 17 old-and-new systems running for a development LAN, wherein I = will be developing cross-platform/platform-independent GNU-licensed = software. With the more-open installations I see the logic of picking a system = AFTER picking an OS is safer in terms of driver support and general = compatibility. I've had problems with 32-bit TrueOS (aka GhostBSD) on an old Dell = Dimension 4550; likewise with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny) on an old = HP Pavilion 6465 (p6400). My Ubuntu 16.04 desktop is running on a Dell Precision 5820 Tower, and = my Ubuntu 16.04 server is running on a Dell PowerEdge T300 server. In terms of platforming FreeBSD, I've decided to stay away from systems = of old, which have compatibility-availability-support issues galore. However, I do not want to trade in the problems of older systems which = have drivers covered for newer systems which may not as yet. So, I am pursuing the "reverse engineering " methodology by fitting a = system to an OS rather than shoehorning an OS onto a "hardcoded" system. I have my Dell account to work with and am looking for a dual internal = HDD (1TB each) workstation with 32GB memory and 1 NIC. Since it's known that NVIDIA is directly-connected to CIA shenanigans = which smells of a backdoor security breech from the get-go -- and, I see = numerous issues on FreeBSD and Ubuntu forums revolving around NVIDIA -- = I am opting for AMD graphics. I can be persuaded.... Nevertheless, I would appreciate a word from the experienced installers = (and post-install users) w/r/t their assessment of the "best fit" Dell = for a FreeBSD desktop installation (perhaps the post-PC-BSD TrueOS' or = the DesktopBSD rendering). My goal is a system whereon I can develop and test python3, pyqt5, and = sqlite3 based software. I'm uncertain whether PyCharm now officially supported/released for = FreeBSD, so if anyone has insight on that (or other quality free-to-low = cost IDEs), I'd appreciate and value your input. Thanks. I have the following $2,107.33 (every system over the cost of maximizing = ram and upsizing the internal hdd hurts) configuration in my "shopping = cart" but am still leery unless I review some "hmm", "uh-oh", and/or = "voila" comments beforehand, so that I may modify my choice(s) before = pushing a "buy" button. If you've seen systems that quite childish, and the elitist views that = feign dictatorial censoring "strength" only show cowardice and a an = embracing of ignorance, "fake" awareness, and pseudo-tolerance. So, give = me your from-the-hip truthful shots and all, even if at Dell. Sadly, = only [cr]Apple offers credit (through barclayCard) but they cann'yt = write an OS to save their SJW-converged company at all.. preferring to = fire or ban or censor criticism instead. Who needs merit anyway?! QA = only hurts bad programmers' feelings so it's bad and/or "privileged" os = some other excuse for generalized drooling. ;-) Okay, back top my starting point system: Precision 3630 Tower - VR Capable ( $1,679.00 ) = SYSTEM CFG QUERY SYSTEM CFG SELECTION ------------------------------- = ------------------------------------- Precision Workstation T3620 MT Dell Precision Tower 3620 XCTO BASE Processor 7th Gen Intel=C2=AE= Core=E2=84=A2 i7-7700 (Quad Core 3.6GHz, 4.2Ghz Turbo, 8MB, w/ HD = Graphics 630) Operating System Ubuntu Linux 16.04 Microsoft Office No Productivity = Software Chassis Options Dell Precision Tower = 3620 Up to 90% efficient 365W Chassis, v2 Video Card Integrated = Graphics included Memory 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 = 2400MHz UDIMM Non-ECC Systems Management No Out-of-Band Systems = Management Wireless No = Wireless Internal Hard Drive Configuration C2 SATA 3.5, 2 HD HDD Controller Integrated Intel SATA = Controller Boot Hard Drive 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA = Hard Drive 2nd Hard Drive 1TB, 3.5" SATA (7,200 = RPM) Hard Drive 3rd Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive 4th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive 5th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive Optical Drive 16x DVD-ROM = drive and 19-in-1 Media Card Reader Hard Drive RAID No RAID Keyboard Dell KB216 Wired = Keyboard English Black Mouse Dell MS116 Wired = Mouse Black Network Card 1Gbit NIC add-in card = (PCIe- Intel) Thunderbolt Card No Thunderbolt Add in = Card Serial Port / PS2 Adapter No Serial Port/PS2 = Adapter Power Cords US Power Cord Placemat Documentation = MUI Resource DVD Dell Precision T3620 = Resource DVD Operating System Recovery Options OS-Windows Media Not Included Energy Star Energy Star Optical Software PowerDVD = Software not included Dell Threat Protection and Endpoint Security Suite=E2=80=8B No Dell = Data Protection | Endpoint Security Suite Software Storage Volume No Raid Configuration = over 2TB Canada Ship Options Non-Canada orders only Packaging Dell Precision = Packaging Driver No Wireless LAN = Card Regulatory Label Tower 3620 = Regulatory Label DAO Documentation / Disks Safety/Environment and = Regulatory Guide (English/French Multi-language) Non-Microsoft Application Software Ubuntu Linux Cables and Dongles Video Cable, = DisplayPort-to-VGA, One VGAConnection, One Adapter UPC Label No UPC Label Hard Drive Software No Intel Technology = enabled Processor Branding = LABEL,INTEL,CI7,7,SML,KBL Stands and Mounts No Stand Hardware Support Services 5 Years ProSupport Plus with = Next Business Day Onsite Service IEEE 1394 No Firewire Card Speakers and Soundbars No External Speaker I figure it easier to re-install on an Ubuntu ws than a Windows 10 one, = esp. when I do not want to pay a fee to Mictrosoft just to erase it. Many of us would like to be so well-off to do that... most of us are = not. thanks for your suggestions, Frank frankfenderbender@council124.org