From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 2 00:30:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BB215A4233 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 00:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa34.google.com (mail-vk1-xa34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8204C845A7 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa34.google.com with SMTP id p24so2241694vki.5 for ; Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:30:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KVF1l2he536YUG/jvKDA+uRQ4OhcxAxCqEyi6asVclc=; b=tWfmjse/usOHn/ZGYsdbvUQXULayD4w6jBleqla2hYCqylUb8mTUAiPdQaHL9aYiXx JPgtQ7EH1jC0tTZrAyqZDeTNqGPFQIwgCMBELSt7MnzZSbO00iayWEnT2mtINq1mnQ+k vB8BGdlEh4AmvrTpZQj7y1WpeVAmvU2XR0Qjf5T94u9WyaOknE/boNUmmcbpKO9DBuYI rbPOas6GxYbs2rveenHACV2VuFa6QJvCEZxHMK3dYj3CDkRXDP6JfP91dCmcd9n8EtV8 6+glyXKn57gmOCt9RIZhHtN2KgTdyIbj/v9CL4mROxu033GATN2mM+rTUm0kDkrwt2tt nIdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KVF1l2he536YUG/jvKDA+uRQ4OhcxAxCqEyi6asVclc=; b=ct1jj2isQyG8S/ke1cKnKZPP8HniQ3EiuX1nHklX5DJkIAhJap7LxhkHI9/rNaiD+u rj65ToUqi2OshrizEaHZTlh2mvRUpf1Ue5/8Ln5c5t+XJLVvJsb0HBiz5JBayhek/0yP jjKqNqBRXsdTXT4GiJEvM8xvmeSIUqnvgjCGOA8vY6nCJgB2le8yIlErAw+GXyc806aW RpSPvMi+C3faZZr/Z0NxtWYON/yShi0oeQPADq/cGCD/kePmQZjEIEWyXekd8OoJI6xp e4+j2L64KdhFFQ/1w0uokYMP+0oyYREyEku5Ipi46iNfXDb09vNakEiRokhemjE71rEH KRVw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXQHiIYqt8dKxUqCtVbnmk3QnYUmYM2mZBXtGtB66BQuzY+4vWx H/Jzv6Eeoc5MMlyoEr9/ebqBYUwldvYg2BtsgmeKHpBk X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxq+x6T8h47PC4gdkLpkN4No0z0kvzE6XdOmSgPnG2dVHxls3gXI7La62YkkRD8WapdMkBeappatSIU9qQEtwo= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:a003:: with SMTP id j3mr3179748vke.74.1559435431525; Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:30:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:32c1:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 20:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: to jail or not to jail To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8204C845A7 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=tWfmjse/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::a34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.934,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.04)[ip: (-9.57), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.27), asn: 15169(-2.28), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:30:34 -0000 Hello, I've got a newly installed FreeBSD 12 vps. It's going to be running a web server/php hosting multiple sites, with letsencrypt tls certificates for each. It's also going to be running an email server, postfix, dovecot, rspamd, mysql database backend, again with the same letsencrypt tls certificates. Previously I've had all this on one host. What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services, I've got a zfs setup, still trying to wrap my head around that, and am wondering should I run the database in one jail, the webserver/php in another jail, and the email server in a third jail? If I do this how would I get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum automation. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 2 02:43:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B6A15A8038 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 02:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDC678789A for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 02:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-lf1-f47.google.com (mail-lf1-f47.google.com [209.85.167.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58BE64469 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 02:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-lf1-f47.google.com with SMTP id a9so9497458lff.7 for ; Sat, 01 Jun 2019 19:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV39xynHPHs572bqHnUyKWBUe2QfBhKlo8gUnj7gpu9SdOq/dCF O7JXvnRFpH0aM3N8Oqt6Ymd+auS0ku3EzsZJN0w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqycuUj1vBQtwL+z7kXr0dQc0Rl2OSt2+qxZqloJFZxFycmYr8HzYrbgXKLUgkiC3JWc0S7urNKV+Ls7uAyiJis= X-Received: by 2002:a19:9156:: with SMTP id y22mr4431932lfj.43.1559443421785; Sat, 01 Jun 2019 19:43:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kyle Evans Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 21:43:30 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BDC678789A X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:96.47.64.0/20, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 02:43:44 -0000 On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 7:30 PM David Mehler wrote: > > Hello, > > I've got a newly installed FreeBSD 12 vps. It's going to be running a > web server/php hosting multiple sites, with letsencrypt tls > certificates for each. It's also going to be running an email server, > postfix, dovecot, rspamd, mysql database backend, again with the same > letsencrypt tls certificates. Previously I've had all this on one > host. > > What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services, I've got a > zfs setup, still trying to wrap my head around that, and am wondering > should I run the database in one jail, the webserver/php in another > jail, and the email server in a third jail? If I do this how would I > get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum > automation. > I have a similar setup to this- DB, webserver/php, mail server is a good separation. My acme setup has a /usr/local/certs on the host that I've null mounted into the jails that need it, but I haven't quite worked out logistics for signaling my xmpp jail when webserver jail's updated the certs. Perhaps a flag file in /usr/local/certs that the host looks for would be sufficient. 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It's going to be running a > web server/php hosting multiple sites, with letsencrypt tls > certificates for each. It's also going to be running an email server, > postfix, dovecot, rspamd, mysql database backend, again with the same > letsencrypt tls certificates. Previously I've had all this on one > host. > > What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services, I've got a > zfs setup, still trying to wrap my head around that, and am wondering > should I run the database in one jail, the webserver/php in another > jail, and the email server in a third jail? If I do this how would I > get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum > automation. My approach has been to jail all the things, and run haproxy & do TLS stripping within that. I then redirect traffic into the appropriate app jail based on either HTTP host headers (HTTPS only) or SNI fields (generic TLS wrapped TCP services). This gives me one place to open to the internet, with very nice logging and internal stats, and only 1 place to update TLS certificates with lets encrypt. I also look after a few more complicated setups, where we use wild card ACME generated certs (DNS-01 auth) and ansible fiddles with the DNS, then propagates the new certificates to all the cluster nodes that need it. IMO this is the nicest of all the setups, but it is somewhat more complicated. A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 2 08:43:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4753315AEFA7 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 08:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2A46900DD for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 08:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x528KwYS098334 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:21:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <8311ce78-d07b-0b3f-ac79-a553284c1578@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:20:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E2A46900DD X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailserver.netfence.it]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.845,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; IP_SCORE(-1.01)[ip: (-3.03), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-1.52), asn: 30722(-0.53), country: IT(0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 08:43:35 -0000 On 6/2/19 2:30 AM, David Mehler wrote: > What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services IMO yes, you should. > If I do this how would I > get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum > automation. I use acme.sh on the base host: of course it has access to jails' filesystem, so it simply puts each certificate into place (as if it was in base but with /usr/jails/.../ prepended). bye av. 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 09:54:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --lBX21JVCKUDiifgOOOA5WMZJhbcYYh3GN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="O1RG1d1hzIN7Y2KTKQTTt0HG2mSZ1UmKz"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9783db6e-959e-b177-89d5-84af47fd5c3f@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail References: In-Reply-To: --O1RG1d1hzIN7Y2KTKQTTt0HG2mSZ1UmKz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/06/2019 01:30, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I've got a newly installed FreeBSD 12 vps. It's going to be running a > web server/php hosting multiple sites, with letsencrypt tls > certificates for each. It's also going to be running an email server, > postfix, dovecot, rspamd, mysql database backend, again with the same > letsencrypt tls certificates. Previously I've had all this on one > host. >=20 > What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services, I've got a > zfs setup, still trying to wrap my head around that, and am wondering > should I run the database in one jail, the webserver/php in another > jail, and the email server in a third jail? If I do this how would I > get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum > automation. I too run a mail system with much the same components as you describe. Well, postgresql rather than mysql, but otherwise pretty much the same. And similarly I've split everything out into jails. It's more complicated to set up, but actually running things where you have a set of nice simple jails with one specific service in each makes things easier to cope with day-to-day. It's docker-esque, if that's something that interests you. I split things up as: - SMTP server (postfix) - IMAP server (dovecot) - SPAM filter (rspamd) - Database (postgresql) except the the database is still running in the host system for historical reasons and a dearth of round tuits. I hook various functions (DKIM, DMARC, rspamd) into postgresql using milters, and I considered jailing off each milter separately, but ultimately ended up just running all the milter processes in the same jail as postfix. In terms of running PHP bassed web-apps, I'd dedicate a separate jail to each application running under php-fpm, and then have a single frontend running nginx to act as a reverse proxy / TLS endpoint / Layer-7 traffic router. For letsencrypt purposes, I use a DNS-01 challenge because that seemed to make the most sense given I wasn't going to deploy most certs on web servers. Then I just wrote a custom deploy hook script to copy certs into the jail filesystems and restart servers. Although I've created at lease a separate ZFS for each jail, I haven't gone down the route of using 'zfs jail ...' to hide them from the main host system, as it makes copying things into jails from the host that much easier. I'd also think about using vimage jails on 12.0, as that makes the jails seem a lot more like just regular VMs, and gives you the ability to effectively create a private virtual switch inside your server, rather than having services appear on external interfaces. Beware though that there are currently some quite severe bandwidth limitations on this sort of internally virtualized networking under FreeBSD, so this is not suitable for a high-traffic system. 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Sun, 2 Jun 2019 07:41:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.6-555-g49357e1-fmstable-20190528v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <1231820b-830b-4a22-8b08-37242226d276@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9783db6e-959e-b177-89d5-84af47fd5c3f@FreeBSD.org> References: <9783db6e-959e-b177-89d5-84af47fd5c3f@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 11:41:58 +0000 From: "Dave Cottlehuber" To: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C9768952BF X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=skunkwerks.at header.s=fm2 header.b=UyER5kVO; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=P5O2O4KH; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dch@skunkwerks.at designates 66.111.4.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dch@skunkwerks.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[skunkwerks.at:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.27]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[skunkwerks.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: in2-smtp.messagingengine.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[skunkwerks.at:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-3.52)[ip: (-9.73), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.68), asn: 11403(-3.15), country: US(-0.06)]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[27.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 11:42:07 -0000 On Sun, 2 Jun 2019, at 10:00, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > For letsencrypt purposes, I use a DNS-01 challenge because that seemed > to make the most sense given I wasn't going to deploy most certs on web > servers. Then I just wrote a custom deploy hook script to copy certs > into the jail filesystems and restart servers. Although I've created at > lease a separate ZFS for each jail, I haven't gone down the route of > using 'zfs jail ...' to hide them from the main host system, as it makes > copying things into jails from the host that much easier. Minor clarification - when a jailed zfs dataset is mounted inside a running jail, it is accessible from the host server. This host server has a zroot/jailed parent to ensure that jailed datasets can't inherit a mountpoint from the host system, and also to remind me that they are indeed supposed to be jailed and not locally available: # zfs list -o canmount,mounted,readonly,name,jailed -r zroot/jailed CANMOUNT MOUNTED RDONLY NAME JAILED off no off zroot/jailed off on yes off zroot/jailed/couchdb2 on on yes off zroot/jailed/couchdb2/views on on yes off zroot/jailed/mu on on yes off zroot/jailed/www on # ls /jails/www/var/www/ ... It's only when the jail is not running, that the dataset is not available to the host system: # zfs mount zroot/jailed/www cannot mount 'zroot/jailed/www': dataset is exported to a local zone But you can deliberately bypass this temporarily via: # mount -t zfs zroot/jailed/www /mnt I wrote a minimal example of using "raw" jails as opposed to iocage driven jails a few years ago, this may be of use as it shows how to provide DNS, pf.conf settings, etc behind a single NAT IP: https://git.sr.ht/~dch/diy-jails/tree/master/zjail only try it on a test VM! If applications support it, you can run a jail that only contains a single process - there's no inherent need for cron, syslog (use the host's syslog directly via UNIX socket or via UDP), sshd, ntpd, sendmail etc. > think about using vimage jails on 12.0, as that makes the jails seem a > lot more like just regular VMs, and gives you the ability to effectively > create a private virtual switch inside your server, rather than having > services appear on external interfaces. Beware though that there are > currently some quite severe bandwidth limitations on this sort of > internally virtualized networking under FreeBSD, so this is not suitable > for a high-traffic system. Matthew, anything you can point me to about this limitation? A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 2 22:18:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EF215C1E6B for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 22:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F33A83032 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 22:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA69419334E; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 22:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x52MImBr061765; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x52MImkk061762; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: John Johnstone cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh timeout question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8daaed74-b18c-7b3d-12ff-baa76f894bfc@tridentusa.com> <3C8F1DFF-55B0-4A05-9B7B-B05B64676999@kreme.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2F33A83032 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@safeport.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watson.org]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[fledge2.watson.org,cyrus.watson.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.55)[ip: (6.78), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(3.39), asn: 11288(2.63), country: US(-0.06)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 22:18:57 -0000 On Fri, 31 May 2019, John Johnstone wrote: > On 5/28/19 3:00 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >> On 28 May 2019, at 05:37, John Johnstone >> wrote: >>> I also now have a Verizon G1100. I still have my .ssh/config file with >>> ServerAliveInterval set to 30 and I'm able to maintain ssh sessions for >>> many hours as long as the laptop is not set to sleep. >> >> It's not a bad idea to at least test this, but I do not have ~/.ssh/config >> at all and my Mac maintains a ssh connection for weeks at a time. >> Basically, unless I reboot my FreeBSD server or reboot my Mac, the >> connection stays up. > > I put the ServerAliveInterval in place a long time ago and didn't test the > need for it after that. I removed it and yes, connections are staying up > without it. Packet monitoring shows TCP Keep-Alives are being sent every 2 > hours. It's hard to talk about this without naming names. With Verizon and a router model. For me no connection is timed out using model Fios-G1100 unless the connection is running pine. In this case the connect is timed out, usually within 3 hours. I have not tried all the remedies suggested here as the work demand >> irritant level. I will eventually do this and report back. 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I have a fairly new Dell Latitude laptop that is dual booted with Windows 10 and Linux. I have Linux on another machine so don't have to keep Linux on the laptop. I'm thinking I'd like to replace Linux on the laptop with FreeBSD 12. Do you have any advice or links for me? Thanks. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 3 02:28:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59F015C656C for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 02:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodbrian77@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12d.google.com (mail-it1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C470789787 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 02:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodbrian77@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id a186so24939681itg.0 for ; Sun, 02 Jun 2019 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YFTUTNmqgEuJijNdbZdnPtHTukYRMJ9tstli56DTaqM=; b=ikC5jWiQ4a5+4bT9j8bsZUI8+jlS1MfblqwR/+3+mfWGvlXiNGDNvCcM3MnjKMwPa0 hfRZVD+NU9UqJrrFJO0UwuNcopwr39RBVXY2T/60TjYGpsjjkHVULMcsWCsLuvWs93fL KQTK0MTdmTI9I8V8Mcxdn9qYbcAoPS6Y20iBAgKSJ4XgSflVdVGIU1U+bThKeTRUaCOk Jjr8vullrdjW3nme/+tGyBuzBfhEAoadI15YqzVb2R6h3jWkxN1Nwz7DL6OXBtvOrb9r 5kxX7iWPQzD4czouCUfGr4b7/xNQlyFqgzpcyVmQYHyvCrPn4RWzL4MQL2AZ3G/Ov2zS I5Dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YFTUTNmqgEuJijNdbZdnPtHTukYRMJ9tstli56DTaqM=; b=tVOD8vOl1ewtDhqHuEcSKcLzchHXg0YxQs9wh79gkVSbb0eBlbWQJZJUnTqbaiofzU AXF4wmJA4vpXwyBqlpePirfOFqQ/6U5erSrTeoFww8rcMMHF781CN+C/V6TERaZexkjW Ai1bt8yk8Qt7SfNjbynD4r5yama9f8gGujb1RpAd0wY8yXYCLd7NsdyKheeChUmLk31S 6f+ycbYuWAHL8t+qfTxlL4G+LyHbp0XrLnJ3ubn/2Nk4neKjmoLPCdMUDYkUzE0rGwU5 D6rwXq3NnTTcHKCNQlHceVcJqMzrSeb+agoRuPdIae43UEFPOm166J9+JNFB0Ob3eO8g SXiA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVmZPEx6rlotPFUJ4uDUISzTtby1rvigHkgOK6y8BdDBi8155od YezDM72Acpdkk8B5k7+BGHRq5+ts0l2/OBLGXqFa+w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxDhImwldlrvrqBW31zT1K4G2fv+rpbOjm9I3nXwXx33XBEyLddroLGvE4RxE0kI9/ujMB9HovIpiCf08IBpzE= X-Received: by 2002:a02:ca19:: with SMTP id i25mr5100973jak.6.1559528903855; Sun, 02 Jun 2019 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Brian Wood Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dual booting To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C470789787 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ikC5jWiQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of woodbrian77@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=woodbrian77@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.87)[ip: (-8.76), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.26), asn: 15169(-2.28), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.734,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 02:28:26 -0000 On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:17 PM Brian Wood wrote: > Hi. I have a fairly new Dell Latitude laptop that is dual booted > with Windows 10 and Linux. I have Linux on another machine > so don't have to keep Linux on the laptop. I'm thinking I'd like > to replace Linux on the laptop with FreeBSD 12. Do you have > any advice or links for me? Thanks. > > Forgot something. My first choice would be to put Trident or HardenedBSD on the laptop. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 3 08:33:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0723B15A886A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:33:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DB206CE90 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D30611706 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.212.184.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D1E11FC for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/1D1E11FC; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9783db6e-959e-b177-89d5-84af47fd5c3f@FreeBSD.org> <1231820b-830b-4a22-8b08-37242226d276@www.fastmail.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <5d9af532-45fc-b088-893d-ec413460b2ff@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 09:33:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1231820b-830b-4a22-8b08-37242226d276@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8DB206CE90 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:2610:1c1:1::/48, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 08:33:27 -0000 On 02/06/2019 12:41, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: >> think about using vimage jails on 12.0, as that makes the jails seem a >> lot more like just regular VMs, and gives you the ability to effectively >> create a private virtual switch inside your server, rather than having >> services appear on external interfaces. Beware though that there are >> currently some quite severe bandwidth limitations on this sort of >> internally virtualized networking under FreeBSD, so this is not suitable >> for a high-traffic system. > Matthew, anything you can point me to about this limitation? Kristof Provost talked about it during his presentation at BSDCAN -- the video of that is not turning up in my searches, but here's probably a very similar talk from linux.conf.au: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2neDPNIcrBk In short the problem is that there's a single thread for handling all the internal traffic. (Possibly a single lock as well?) Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 3 08:41:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2921D15A8BDF for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=Nl+t=UC=vega.codepro.be=kp@codepro.be) Received: from venus.codepro.be (venus.codepro.be [5.9.86.228]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.codepro.be", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F0916D3E1; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=Nl+t=UC=vega.codepro.be=kp@codepro.be) Received: from vega.codepro.be (unknown [172.16.1.3]) by venus.codepro.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CCA36AE1; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by vega.codepro.be (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 85246E48D; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:41:20 +0200 From: Kristof Provost To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail Message-ID: <20190603084120.GA10541@vega.codepro.be> References: <9783db6e-959e-b177-89d5-84af47fd5c3f@FreeBSD.org> <1231820b-830b-4a22-8b08-37242226d276@www.fastmail.com> <5d9af532-45fc-b088-893d-ec413460b2ff@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5d9af532-45fc-b088-893d-ec413460b2ff@FreeBSD.org> X-Checked-By-NSA: Probably User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.4 (2019-03-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3F0916D3E1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=Nl@codepro.be designates 5.9.86.228 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=Nl@codepro.be X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:5.9.86.228]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-1.97)[ip: (-8.47), ipnet: 5.9.0.0/16(0.33), asn: 24940(-1.72), country: DE(-0.00)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[228.86.9.5.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.9.2]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx2.codepro.be,mx1.codepro.be]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.76)[-0.755,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[kp@freebsd.org,SRS0=Nl@codepro.be]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:5.9.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[kp@freebsd.org,SRS0=Nl@codepro.be]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[t=UC=vega.codepro.be=kp] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 08:41:28 -0000 On 2019-06-03 09:33:25 (+0100), Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 02/06/2019 12:41, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > >> think about using vimage jails on 12.0, as that makes the jails seem a > >> lot more like just regular VMs, and gives you the ability to effectively > >> create a private virtual switch inside your server, rather than having > >> services appear on external interfaces. Beware though that there are > >> currently some quite severe bandwidth limitations on this sort of > >> internally virtualized networking under FreeBSD, so this is not suitable > >> for a high-traffic system. > > > Matthew, anything you can point me to about this limitation? > > Kristof Provost talked about it during his presentation at BSDCAN -- the > video of that is not turning up in my searches, but here's probably a > very similar talk from linux.conf.au: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2neDPNIcrBk > > In short the problem is that there's a single thread for handling all > the internal traffic. (Possibly a single lock as well?) > if_bridge contends on a single mutex. Expect no more than ~1.2 million packets per second through a bridge, regardless of how many cores you have. That's actually a fairly substantial amount of traffic, it may or may not be a practical concern for you. Note that that's unrelated to vimage as such. It's just a very common way to set things up. If you avoid if_bridge the performance impact of vimage is trivial, and you pay it even if you don't use vimage jails. Best regards, Kristof From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 3 10:19:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C350815AB953 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=o76H=UC=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D0770B07 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=o76H=UC=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from home.lan (unknown [77.109.103.113]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B53F1D4FFC4; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:19:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:19:17 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail Message-ID: <20190603101917.GA76784@home.lan> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.4 (2019-03-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 81D0770B07 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=o76H=UC=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be designates 193.191.208.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=o76H=UC=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.78 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.bebif.be,mx2.bebif.be]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.955,0]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=o76H=UC=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=o76H=UC=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[perdition.city]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.208.191.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.82)[ip: (-8.54), ipnet: 193.191.192.0/19(-4.27), asn: 2611(-1.26), country: BE(-0.00)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 10:19:35 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 01, 2019 at 08:30:31PM -0400, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, Hello, >=20 > I've got a newly installed FreeBSD 12 vps. It's going to be running a > web server/php hosting multiple sites, with letsencrypt tls > certificates for each. It's also going to be running an email server, > postfix, dovecot, rspamd, mysql database backend, again with the same > letsencrypt tls certificates. Previously I've had all this on one > host. >=20 > What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services, I've got a > zfs setup, still trying to wrap my head around that, and am wondering > should I run the database in one jail, the webserver/php in another > jail, and the email server in a third jail? If I do this how would I > get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum > automation. >=20 I would highly suggest to jail everything, not only for the added security, but also for maintainability. Suggestion: - Script everything with some CMS (I highly recommend SaltStack) - Use ZFS (and clones) and two datasets per jail: one for the things you deploy with your CMS and one for the "data" (=3D things generated by the installed applications within the jail), with some nullfs mounts from the HOST into the jails. It will facilitate the updates a lot. At the end the goal is to be able to zfs destroy tank/jails/your_jail and re-create it from scratch with one command. - With VIMAGE, tagged VLANs, some orchestration tool (SaltStack), and ZFS snapshots send/receive your can achieve nearly real-time migration. - Use HAProxy and SNI, and manage certs from there. At work we have an orchestration script which 1) generate Let's Encrypt certificates in somejail (certbot.lan) and if it succeed 2) rsync them on the HAProxy nodes Julien > Thanks. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.61)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 104.236.64.0/18(-4.26), asn: 14061(1.16), country: US(-0.06)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[denninger.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 10:47:55 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040703050604070707070105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/3/2019 05:32, Karlo Kuna wrote: > i have recently tried to install freeBSD and linux on the new dell G5. = I > wanted to use UEFI and i failed miserably! > i was able to that eventually by having two separate efi partitions (on= e > for linux one fo freeBSD). So just remember > if UEFI is something that you need/want, then going with two efi > partitions is easiest solution that i could find but > not elegnat one. > > If someone managed to install linux with freeBSD on single efi partitio= n i > would be courious about which exact > method was used > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 4:29 AM Brian Wood wrote= : > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:17 PM Brian Wood wrot= e: >> >>> Hi. I have a fairly new Dell Latitude laptop that is dual booted >>> with Windows 10 and Linux. I have Linux on another machine >>> so don't have to keep Linux on the laptop. I'm thinking I'd like >>> to replace Linux on the laptop with FreeBSD 12. Do you have >>> any advice or links for me? Thanks. >>> >>> Forgot something. My first choice would be to put Trident >> or HardenedBSD on the laptop. 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(I think) ipv6 address also public. Right now I've got a cloned interface and a pf nat setup so that any jailed hosts on that interface will get out to the internet and internet traffic can get to them. Currently just a web server is up and I've only atempted to get to it via ipv4, which works fine. My questions, are my pf is not doing anything with ipv6 packets at the moment so does that mean what I'm thinking that the block all rule explicitly blocks them? Second, also on pf I want to have a rule pair, for each ipv4 rule that allows access i'd like to have an ipv6 rule that also allows access. Also, how do I assign an ipv6 address to this host? The realm of ipv6 is quite new to me. Thanks. Dave. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[26.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:48:05 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, context: recent 12-stable, amd64, desktop What I'd like to do is to have a default console font that's not blocky. The default seems to be 640*480. My screen is 1920*1024. I'd like something like the default console font that OpenBSD uses. Thing is, there aren't any (it seems - I can't find them) *recent* complete instructions how to do this on *recent* FreeBSD12. Confusingly,=20 both sc and vt are in the default kernel. What is best to use?=20 This is a desktop system, and it runs X fine. It has an nvidia graphics=20 card, and is using the latest drm-kmod for FreeBSD12. I don't want the=20 console configuration interfering with the working X setup. But I'd like=20 a fon't that isn't huge for the times I don't want to start X. If I follow the console section in the handbook and for instance try # kldload vesa I get this error: module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff836c6000, 0) error 19 = =20 sysctl_unregister_oid: failed(22) to unregister sysctl(vesa) or # vidcontrol -i mode (no modes displayed) Basically all that I'm looking for are instructions about: 1. whether to use sc or vt 2. how to change resolution 3. how to change console font please would anyone advise? thanks, --=20 J. --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAlz1JQYACgkQs8o7QhFz NAU8qg/+PfE1dsYZE2bnxY8Na6+WDnqsungs1ivj2uAMjqDHfT8jGu8FZ7sP7qDe 3nDREFp7K9x6+iYB3CeFQX0bnjdwl0ofH8E5we547ERl7mZV7kFY3qX6YJspGlRa 7rYnptFyHcwizMcQHR8yJuPt+K+BRYTQNzbFUCHvJ2yuQsCTthjVTkkwIs33Ci7P pbNhgQkbg34nRc1pBp01B+DUP9KNeas3Cce9PqGeiyOMTUqQVeBx4QxKEECAvuK6 +y4/tI4mTOR8Pwsr/MYlDyC05yCGDMPlTgxuuxY3yj/67wQkht2MlKwnyxrbvpKd mcxX9zOWe9dh9qdpF3xhhP+PjrFhjNAJpCa7SddJKTtISWjIbpeQZ7Lc9pyARYw7 bTSBvWATfuOLrTgfzs4kpWG5u9PpF+n3x6QKY06bsZA8sEK6qnzxhC0/+BWYt0i/ ZbU73EvVn4Tiw+4thZcAwBRsmhSBqfOWBKI0FOf9+0opREaR4JXXE+SCuS6eLK45 3374JfJYfXueyScmmPzwoGoooLE/tbHb11WIDb9OwBnkEJLjcu7wcNRxBdm3EuIz Mia6rQRFTx/oGI73pEQhDxHAbZu1Erh+/M03HSSBnwhL30FmCqrb7pf8UkCrNuSX fKr94zhhFXBpAwYFJKc5wvVEjQBorOwVtm/4bJwHgaZxpg+MzjA= =sPvP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 3 16:50:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C366915B6B31 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay1-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay1-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.182]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EAFC89BF9 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date:in-reply-to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=TYAsafMtblMsVXtCtPi35RQbAuOiAHMs8pdCH7hBJBs=; b=TeTrHl8Ekm3i6q0v1sCDuMwkGV/h36vPl4E8Mxyr33aNgjCwf8QGhyZMJFUaGe+HNq5BVSneuWmPf e5jBPMM1Xt1ObJnn4A30vVV+tcAnhM6fV4vhw/ovh5Cs5rA7yJO7EtTwoEhPrBvrSbR51P+KegOHk3 +pDbUTgOpKt4NHUE= X-HalOne-Cookie: b03eaefa4c589063898d7d7f518fe360b833c37f X-HalOne-ID: 76f26d62-861d-11e9-bc29-d0431ea8a283 Received: from [100.97.7.126] (unknown [176.11.7.127]) by mailrelay1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 76f26d62-861d-11e9-bc29-d0431ea8a283; Mon, 03 Jun 2019 16:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: non-blocky console font From: Matthias X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15B93) In-Reply-To: <20190603134759.GA52553@rpi3.zyxst.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 18:34:31 +0200 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20190603134759.GA52553@rpi3.zyxst.net> To: tech-lists X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3EAFC89BF9 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=smormegpa.no header.s=20140924 header.b=TeTrHl8E X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[smormegpa.no:s=20140924]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.75)[-0.749,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.960,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[smormegpa.no]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.185,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[smormegpa.no:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[182.210.30.46.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx2.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx3.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ipnet: 46.30.208.0/21(0.39), asn: 51468(0.30), country: DK(-0.02)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51468, ipnet:46.30.208.0/21, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 16:50:49 -0000 > Am 03.06.2019 um 15:47 schrieb tech-lists : >=20 > Hello, >=20 > context: recent 12-stable, amd64, desktop >=20 > What I'd like to do is to have a default console font that's not blocky. > The default seems to be 640*480. My screen is 1920*1024. I'd like > something like the default console font that OpenBSD uses. >=20 > Thing is, there aren't any (it seems - I can't find them) *recent* > complete instructions how to do this on *recent* FreeBSD12. Confusingly, b= oth sc and vt are in the default kernel. What is best to use?=20 > This is a desktop system, and it runs X fine. It has an nvidia graphics ca= rd, and is using the latest drm-kmod for FreeBSD12. I don't want the console= configuration interfering with the working X setup. But I'd like a fon't th= at isn't huge for the times I don't want to start X. >=20 > If I follow the console section in the handbook and for instance try >=20 > # kldload vesa >=20 > I get this error: > module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff836c6000, 0) error 19 = sysctl_unregister_oid: failed(22) to unregister sysctl(vesa) >=20 > or >=20 > # vidcontrol -i mode > (no modes displayed) The Handbook is not up to date on that topic. > Basically all that I'm looking for are instructions about: > 1. whether to use sc or vt VT is the modern (e.g. support for UTF-8) successor of SC and has been the d= efault for quite some time now. Stick with VT. > 2. how to change resolution Look for vt.fb.default_mode in man(4) vt > 3. how to change console font kbdcontrol -f (in /usr/local/share/vt/fonts) > please would anyone advise? >=20 > thanks, > --=20 > J. >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 3 18:41:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E1315BA0C9 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 18:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3A18FA15 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 18:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.28.116]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MzQc2-1gcl0C3QlU-00vKs2; Mon, 03 Jun 2019 20:41:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 20:41:12 +0200 From: Polytropon To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: non-blocky console font Message-Id: <20190603204112.e750bc75.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190603134759.GA52553@rpi3.zyxst.net> References: <20190603134759.GA52553@rpi3.zyxst.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kIMc+URjKSEmxd/ffCGQzdmaWIlkMJQtjhCsDGBa4DB6YQiCkxn H+ZIsQinaSpOADhqkEWS/Oh6jQutorhc7rzsgVhEOF7FecmAU4P+DsqhuEUT8Q15xmAdNBp KnGMkMdvSZKejQiof9gjrehITZIE9DrY88x+uZrXve+8Gkt/JDqGbZOOF/AbZ42F1cRvUN0 SzNuWk4fiG55IyHfqQafA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:aPRccmLNy1M=:DPPJ6SuYhAa+ceuZXywNhU ZlWIW6dvZiHQtIWJ8gssNp5mo67h0cA3jzlvQuO4hXqEiw4XlZFZZPT4klKtYUVKBg+aWR75k C7HfdbpwYL9k6HW8EJCSkjmrtuUsjyLQ7VjA8hQcfV/KSItDpsGVccWt/O8+E9pjkzIzXzJXG MrggSHhdUHMYOE08d24aDPcapqtMXEbkKeWE7QXyxu039KAuujDMhgORfdBJPpa/46OtxbN4H K5pS8sW2FEhBa1KshcKB1+afdtR9dzwBGtQMcsKKJ92ZS12ifZ6FnKP2Z/yrOsAmO5PukdO6k xUgC8g4vSjwwjqABn5JCgwqDteS33I8iRvsafwkHpkhRb2WMryl76M7wxs5MZJbsG9IAhU5tm dJtg6YudBAbrvvEDv+IXU+vriyoVISI2s726/5HS8RBj/7pqLbMLOPZtELn2z3x95siFfTa6+ j0fDxbSczenKW5hcQ3U3zdCCjC+agvKcmf+76HLZhjAWu97nhKCvOX2jFzQXYIyFmQWj4J11e dCNdc8FQqo7uyKbk1tslKMFB2A9VFJufNfHE8TjBThila0AV1/tuWpES0ZnBk+WfCs53voQlD d75IJztRaj6KQYAv4srqNFuOIlmW2CLaCp5fmZ8uIhg2/K7DEL7/NIlBhDSdYMQXZCwHxjRy6 KS4k58KB+94rxQEYIR1NVjbs5i9EGHQ/iFf+qxho+X0ArKhSdjp5D4dCBKBgjfKG9ExH4dr+P eHNOplSUN6V2YnGh1rTBPp/ksd9LDuL+0PMqzPpWVROg070vKqMKVR6uWjs= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AD3A18FA15 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.27 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[116.28.222.94.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.32)[0.324,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.52)[0.516,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.95)[0.952,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.09)[ip: (-0.66), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.46), asn: 8560(2.56), country: DE(-0.00)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 18:41:30 -0000 On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 14:47:59 +0100, tech-lists wrote: > Thing is, there aren't any (it seems - I can't find them) *recent* > complete instructions how to do this on *recent* FreeBSD12. Confusingly, > both sc and vt are in the default kernel. What is best to use? The decision is simple: If you want to be able to use X on that system, you will have to use vt. If you only want to use traditional text mode, and you don't have a requirement for UTF-8 (maybe you're using ISO-8859-1 or something like that - that's okay), you can use sc. Keep in mind that vt's functionality hasn't arrived yet at where sc has been for decades. Many things don't work as good as they do in sc. Especially the documentation isn't fully up to date. You can find several threads about how to set a readable font in vt in the mailing list's archives. My individual opinion: I've given up on text mode (which. in vt, isn't even a text mode anymore, it's a graphical mode), and use X with much better font support (in xterm and others). > This is a desktop system, and it runs X fine. This means you're already using vt, which is the default in FreeBSD 12 anyway. > It has an nvidia graphics > card, and is using the latest drm-kmod for FreeBSD12. I don't want the > console configuration interfering with the working X setup. But I'd like > a fon't that isn't huge for the times I don't want to start X. This attitude is no longer supported. ;-) > If I follow the console section in the handbook and for instance try > > # kldload vesa > > I get this error: > module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff836c6000, 0) error 19 > sysctl_unregister_oid: failed(22) to unregister sysctl(vesa) > > or > > # vidcontrol -i mode > (no modes displayed) That is correct. VESA is an "extension" to sc which allows you to use "graphical fonts". With vt, "graphical fonts" are the norm already, so no need to deal with VESA. > Basically all that I'm looking for are instructions about: > 1. whether to use sc or vt Use vt. You're already using it. :-) > 2. how to change resolution That's complicated. :-) > 3. how to change console font That's easy. However, the font doesn't always look as you would expect it to look, because there is no real interface to tell the system "I want a screen of 80x25" or something like that in terms of columns x rows. What you need to find is a combination of screen size ("resolution") and font that works for you. First, make sure that you have /boot/loader.conf with the following settings: kern.vty=vt kern.vt.fb.default_mode="1280x1024" The 1st line is optional, but it's a good reminder that we are in "vt land" now. The 2nd line should be the size of the display you're using. In /etc/rc.conf, you can define the font you want to use. For example: allscreens_flags="-f vgarom-8x16" But before you do so, experiment with the following command: vidcontrol -f vgarom-16x32 You can use font names from the /usr/share/vt/fonts directory; names without ".fnt" appended will work, like: vidcontrol -f gallant The choice of fonts is limited at the moment. Maybe you can use font files from an OpenBSD installation? Sidenote: You can use the loader ("Ok") prompt to issue the command gop list as well as gop set to tell the kernel about the screen mode. This will affect how the kernel will display messages, before a user font is loaded. Further sidenote: The _resolution_ of your screen is fixed, as it has one physical size (pixels horizontally x pixels vertically), which cannot be changed (leaving "software scaling" aside). While the display size is often provided in pixels, the resolution is a value of "pixels (or dots) per inch" and can be provided for X and Y separately, like "75 dpi" or "600 x 300 dpi". Additional sidenote: CRTs actually _can_ have more than one resolution, as the logical size (in px) changes, while the physical size (in inch or cm) stays the same. :-) You can find more information here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/kernel-boot-resolution.53150/ See "man vidcontrol" for details. Also check the mailing list archives. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I have a fairly new Dell Latitude laptop that is dual booted >> with Windows 10 and Linux. I have Linux on another machine >> so don't have to keep Linux on the laptop. I'm thinking I'd like >> to replace Linux on the laptop with FreeBSD 12. Do you have >> any advice or links for me? Thanks. >> >> Forgot something. My first choice would be to put Trident > or HardenedBSD on the laptop. > > I've removed Linux and the dual booting from my laptop. It's back to where it boots into Windows 10. Now I want to dual boot it with Trident or FreeBSD 12. 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I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark background of my terminal. Thanks, Amit From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 08:09:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9766C15A77E3 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F38E8C514 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id b18so2236629qkc.9 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 01:09:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=B+YJIhXWaW4J3M17Vffs+Ur2aWCuDbpe8T3KdlFnYHM=; b=vYQIcp/eQMM9RvmQbs3nJf+oXUiun/Ohcxu0FaYRWYzDmyle1PGWUMiMXixvvbeI43 /bkgCuRtFqEMvXUbwAuacRCmQF7LGBYAppy9lxD1dv0zZ5OHd4x429wcHAnBT6cnYgsC mXbUczh9JEODuPn82JQI+9snc01fjxH2Mci5tkC1aNSiEakhbK456a32YFgnPN50CLiw dhCRk7P+b878ClizExc1YqAPEekP6E1dnUYfGU0nuSfqfb2nAbR6LKUefKJi64DhBOIL TKWrrnN5/U1PQcgXDWliltpZr46Hqj3/MsUIdmWbg/voDDKVIxOHrzc2THTOjkj8ip+s LNAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B+YJIhXWaW4J3M17Vffs+Ur2aWCuDbpe8T3KdlFnYHM=; b=EB36C7Oo7hlT9E2CTohlZjRce74P36n1eh7lZznQ+VYGdus/tY4tSxRyfOcIeX2o4Q RQQ5zSbCYx6h8PZ8fJh8e5kWN0yVFDXO3tdrV0a2TRGQp0Bvz8LkFoESv7ZJek/ER7IS IYBP4nMS0bQkm09v8/r8f4XNHBkREP/UMApjLolMXGdLKoaZqKtBZZjRABgPjQFN1/GD H0cSGEhgzpXQlFDc5lFaVhfgIaxfL/L1FcOnqvwLnjV2yuBH9PQRHb4Bi2ES2adqjP4B tsEfuZ5pjmvJ1LbhznMWghDUrw80Ys01Q5sfLAOBa576tXAD3wOQcSHg31s/DzZeX1cl lCDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIBqUJ5qWIFEB5+V/Zfyo25xNfX+ITYxU1NjV/IYgx3HgJPzSE x1+HiM8jsy/YP28cRFkEI6cxS8iXfUSRUzIoB+vFNJoxgWM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqweyXHtc63WfizMPksZRWQ+LdouOIkY3jiDX5qEiPwJhjBjMOa0Q40T228ovjgHEtUqbZskl5wZWbn4oG0fB4E= X-Received: by 2002:a37:8007:: with SMTP id b7mr6788976qkd.102.1559635791432; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 01:09:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 10:09:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Editing LSCOLORS To: Amit Yaron Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7F38E8C514 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=vYQIcp/e; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::730 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.01 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.01)[ip: (-9.48), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.24), asn: 15169(-2.29), country: US(-0.06)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:09:53 -0000 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=editing+environment+variable On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:08 AM Amit Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS in > FreeBSD 12.0? > I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark > background of my terminal. > > Thanks, > Amit > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 08:24:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9591715A7FFA for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amit@phpandmore.net) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4931C8CE2D for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amit@phpandmore.net) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id 16so9419780wmg.5 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 01:24:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pfY2JPLkS4x2LfuBqiRG19ZrKiYHIpS2KiY8oOV2KXg=; b=SbSLOka/wIQNYezz8uXWYJY4i1yD31UReFqKfEc59WRba/ZtNttgbn31zqbjbRfuf5 d2erFpeVSusxoxWgaIXQfAn+itHdzYDViP3x7qHcXcsX7NpBQ+EFSa68BFxpvFMMAZ7+ QcWfbwuw2DxuxFQomCLfQjVsW3Zq0MKqQ4K+pS9+topzrIqzNOAlis8dRrb9y7N4uXlc z4C6baSiOWLY2qbiWL9Gl3bNR2cfYYD5QYtLDRgMsCAjMq2DCwSTDjvV/I4yCRQ7Gutz LnIEdxBp4xEi5ngQ8+DvEg62PIbOUYBgsNO+2X5xyQUBGrOMKD628oGE/vD7QUs2UeQj ApBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pfY2JPLkS4x2LfuBqiRG19ZrKiYHIpS2KiY8oOV2KXg=; b=uf/NETuCC8q/MN2JLAoNb9NDb93EJQmaXwtI2tXHNlo7zvzceOlckrCftAd/WNvK4h 88CjlejW9Tf6V9XPbtd0qIfDLhW/l8yJtZIlM4YiCntionQIhHCMoiprcmwNdaGWTMaU 9+1LI7JsXNSc2BK/WQr8BhKJTt8KG9Yy+ceA5qo4tXm/sq2i7Pg7+m3nbLagUcKQoVqe mGI2r28ADhemNj9uBJm2ZOd7GIoMBnR9gQ0yJJqydm4XcAADFJmqvsgjfw3JoA0RGQ2y 7pLTxjx09nhdatBBXkvmJuU/yC0RaHuW5WE4u1zqv2oz2+Qh5bdaYZA8OEym5KKrKKYo 787w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVSM4bW/QNAio+ct2wAfrhc+ifocUAogUeqD0YarZhk50kjXi5d PNWh4WvBw3pqv5pAxjjEvrs7oFkZGWg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzsA2TcZ7ZLxFnd8SEZE49SLCedZMGmJI7bXmSc3i1zyDiRocs7v9zDkp+sztUYLtiY9hMCJg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9813:: with SMTP id a19mr16890607wme.11.1559636655624; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 01:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2a02:ed0:5290:cd00:3a60:77ff:fe2e:af49? 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I don't use Google but DuckDuckGo 2/ If I had found it on the web, I wouldn't have published my question. On 4.6.2019 9:09, Michael Schuster wrote: > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=editing+environment+variable > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:08 AM Amit Yaron wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS in >> FreeBSD 12.0? >> I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark >> background of my terminal. >> >> Thanks, >> Amit >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 09:00:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6874015A91BB for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdunix99@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12e.google.com (mail-it1-x12e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CD068E276 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdunix99@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id s16so31122658ita.2 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 02:00:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qKDpx5uGIHq8XHHpIfX00z+tuGJDL6Bn82VO3YoSPdE=; b=NneyjC/5uByxyyqOp39G86oTN36EQmMDmmja8EUN5afsmDrPh3jThiUgEpadBnc3gw SJjRsAGZSXnQim3Lznc3MzRBKXO9XbKqgUNjTWG7Mwy6z8xrVD1KR/ssxDM0MPirKnT8 XeSLlv1cJ57eOMauJi78WtmZUW6rKaqJW1lRbyALVEaq7S2w/z2GQtSIe+3LQseUTroK afy5yUBtPQBSk2PVynQPiAkuy/qv3jyjlsD8uDiL+Aw8cwFL+ELdoOgRcHRkOeNmqHgC r9+qToJjT9h7XJa3aj4c4u837ZvS9Q6TaPfq783ls8Ku6qGBV5KR/iJNl93OShWGfp2g gzHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qKDpx5uGIHq8XHHpIfX00z+tuGJDL6Bn82VO3YoSPdE=; b=eA3Ky0KTNxOQO9JpLdhkgHZFYNpoiXww0yVj2esz8lJv0dkxUNgThTGuYWr9zr+n3r 4y52c7V++yao+KTObQzL0B1OOfW+XuFYs0DrjDq5mnHbBdTsIFI5/yQRslt6H32Fd18O TDOKVAxQxTUfyd71kPVYNxnYEKi6busrHL5bDhVmgON46bUp6tXEpHAgET3BWIIOmpT6 XRVLsGysOm0wgLbXtyfGEhOG3L585RbrL8jTHjPxHi8Boyr+TBW0HhxLXNOrh36sEBd4 PlJwutgKo9s8LqiCmyQNEHNeJmrMXqfC82krETsvDcl4PDIVkfPuArCP1uP97ZaNhiJc tYwg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW1AZJwtcktwkxWl7KW1b8LLgYEt45WDkqF3uSij9BfhOoSM9QK hgMhWLzWT5b++fe+4QziXYZbVYHUPmJV0aQZZIowtw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw17uS8pVo6FqcYhCAiktirMY7PAjCx6YVIiUT9k1Dw+SXnWsfc42CH3ZGVilQwVUYzjTUjtF457uBJN+xSdrs= X-Received: by 2002:a02:2b1d:: with SMTP id h29mr20147376jaa.76.1559638850371; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 02:00:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alexandru Goia Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:00:38 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: syctl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7CD068E276 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NneyjC/5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsdunix99@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bsdunix99@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.88)[ip: (-8.82), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.24), asn: 15169(-2.29), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.939,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 09:00:52 -0000 Greetings! Where can I find the complete list of those about 5 hundred sysctl variables? Thank you! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 11:01:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC5815AC006 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic317-34.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic317-34.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.184.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8CFD927C1 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: hEcWJDIVM1mqpPHOD2PiHys7Yg1w_nadWbajUPb5IG_Mgxv_Fm.4XqDhAhGRfjV xga8zwkr96eCzQdXYogj5DeLcLCROiQHAdxyDmPwjQhZQFXpSNpcv7KXm2k4_PksindtPLuTb2m3 Woa91FvSwcbiOc04xb0nDAuFzMfdWZoIBzABeyjl9aJM39I_zzVvh6QEfy2Hs7SmN5VdQtPD_vI2 QQJjcFa16rFnU.gBbVAVRIKUkTVKOSmIu0TNh4fiq4SfdofWT39lrdAayRaNt9klW6.RqbqNmw9J GnqiHeegL7y7RJFpVb3iqUclNd.tWXWcxFxpGKwlY2FNsbfot.0dNnQ_kDy.Zwosswlkoh0xwpQX cEgJnEG5cjzTp98veicAWzvuE3VouVnAArLim7Y7kAjbLHDQs9vh1FQPYdKGRhEUObaosjTmD1U0 Untgodv4NCIAhhDAXNxhn5sWIvHqXbkC7yYcrEHNyjPo4VoUU90t.olWR6V6B8b99QDPtdwa7ADi LYWFsuwfteruv4BJuUlqn0fEYCakOKUh016MM74qSazq_YF0TLkOnRof0pg333ud8ZFmdI7Tsm8d 2mJLORfccF7BJS2sF7_xBJOAr3zzVbCqwPgERevpMOjutNonsnPTkFrNvtBqXHyz0mookrxwCDEE lQyYVYK.p_LwhCoMoxCINs1_WiCuk_cJdu3LAOt64c_GhaHJGtCGSIeUtP_lpDOv3dwLSyokQwyB cmds0QR5kXUmWPWID8p5LB55AhI5jYU30NdFKVKshxgW7FCrAo_8Ft51FfljFCzbkAnm3rNYpv1U PExDG1vo9ziDhx4rxkIuaPHXA0MT60ylS6xgSPy6WnXQfOjAM_M1jvhqx9TcZ2gu_13rExK7J73B 545.9RjkNzZTQmw0YvC95kk48QDrQppQSLGmpGbNc3oayLVCZbI9uGpTDSC3LoK16BmJNHSINSmb JfcMkr3lpjEUerLV5evbk_6TqiI9ri9s4kfyytXVkr5X6cy30WoAIHbNk_Xy9v2Qez.zfff8Q7L9 4dYaf7617ILv7gW0Bsp8Fy1izc4_b5mDvihE4b5hTEbRimz4TSpHdGE9B6iCl3JjFodvB5os9_Sn nsSnPLWKPBYaZqlZmtNSLTGgV2Rv6GlEXSiRyIiDI1ybe6Wqxwx4x3oB3_ER5v7uOrxVEm6XXsZb CH6nhHnntzUnTcodwWMq0UVuZmSNwarVMdEAjAYNX8UnIPid0wD.9p6bxwrXDz2KJyZI5iR4gxXd b3rppUFnc8Tc- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:01:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:01:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Alexandru Goia Message-ID: <777679320.326320.1559646096164@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: syctl MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.13797 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B8CFD927C1 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.77)[0.770,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[45.184.163.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.88)[0.884,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.937,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[45.184.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(1.33)[ip: (4.24), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.36), asn: 36646(1.09), country: US(-0.06)]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 11:01:45 -0000 sysctl -a It will give you a list of all of them.... There's over 6000 sysctl variables. P On Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 5:01:46 AM EDT, Alexandru Goia wrote: Greetings! Where can I find the complete list of those about 5 hundred sysctl variables? Thank you! _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 11:17:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D852E15AC7FD for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbernhard@inti.gob.ar) Received: from sbg-out.inti.gob.ar (sbg-out.inti.gob.ar [200.10.161.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.inti.gob.ar", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8B5093130 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbernhard@inti.gob.ar) X-AuditID: c80aa145-403ff7000000718f-53-5cf64fc1db05 Received: from smtp-ldap.inti.gob.ar (smtp-ldap.inti.gob.ar [172.18.1.89]) by sbg-out.inti.gob.ar (SMTP_INTI) with SMTP id 7A.36.29071.1CF46FC5; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:02:25 -0300 (-03) Received: from informatica27.inti.gob.ar ([172.18.142.46]:61386) by smtp-ldap.inti.gob.ar with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hY7D0-0000vp-6r; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:02:26 -0300 Subject: Re: Editing LSCOLORS To: Amit Yaron , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Juan Bernhard Message-ID: <05d632b9-a3f6-95b2-e3ea-6007bf9484b0@inti.gob.ar> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:02:25 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsWyRogxUveg/7cYg1WzuC12PX/GbvHy6yYW ByaPGZ/ms3jMnLKILYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSvj8rrdTAXf2SpmvdnD1sB4g7WLkZNDQsBE 4tPHN+xdjFwcQgI7GCWav3YxQjjdTBIHPj8HynBwCAvISvT9qgUxRQScJVpmpIL0Cgk4Ssz8 0sMGEmYT0JZYdiQJJMwrYCexdFs7M4jNIqAi8ef7BUYQW1QgVuLdjTssEDWCEidnPgGzOQWc JE61fQOrZxYwk5i3+SGULS+x/e0cKFtc4taT+UwTGPlnIWmfhaRlFpKWWUhaFjCyrGIULk5K 180vLdEDhmGmXnp+kl5i0SZGYDie4FrouoNx7zr1Q4wCHIxKPLwGeV9jhFgTy4orcw8xSnAw K4nwJt7+EiPEm5JYWZValB9fVJqTWnyIUZqDRUmcd4vAnRghgfTEktTs1NSC1CKYLBMHp1QD Y+t2rbrP9yedzi69bSyrb+LQ2vvxXyjLDdaPOVPvSlt9aTw2eTf3kQzRbQ0Pi8pCj52587WN xcm8/s8+pxBjlfL9FnukBazMv0SHHuR/yeanOfGqn/iL/tv6pTmeXg/NeROSc+cd525y/Hbt iOQvB43vzDcYXmy50O+8NTKsq2fXFLEGMa9LSizFGYmGWsxFxYkAOrcXVkMCAAA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E8B5093130 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jbernhard@inti.gob.ar designates 200.10.161.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jbernhard@inti.gob.ar X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:200.10.161.69]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inti.gob.ar]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.inti.gob.ar,mail2.inti.gob.ar]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.668,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.06)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10753, ipnet:200.10.161.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 11:17:41 -0000 Hi, you have to change the value of the LSCOLORS environment variable. For example: $ LSCOLORS="cxfxcxdxbxegedabagacad" ls -G Will show directories in green Check here to have the full meaning of these values https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?ls And to michael, ill recomend this search: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+stop+been+an+asshole Cheers, Juan. On 4/6/2019 5:07 AM, Amit Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS in > FreeBSD 12.0? > I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark > background of my terminal. > > Thanks, > Amit > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 11:31:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30015AD065 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amit@phpandmore.net) Received: from mail-wr1-x442.google.com (mail-wr1-x442.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::442]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4242E93925 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amit@phpandmore.net) Received: by mail-wr1-x442.google.com with SMTP id x4so15437491wrt.6 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 04:31:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u585QM/PymkPUKDT9uUFs/ZDlDNdfVxjIrWQ2tN5Hvw=; b=J3VN5lDtEEuwBXvJ64aP9Cw8gRWCeH9MyqzXcW0v+KmjK69TRGKhTNY4kQfXDkPmA5 o5pb3itFeW6/juSspfcBdLnhwkpPGzrdPIDBri7lbdj0RXigEm7h2pAd63S415txAgG0 7pqyNyR4KoCvDXdy6TD+Y4hJVjzVURtYwm8l3ByAO4+8hxdhy2y2CGZDjSY14VgH6V0l ii3FyX2xK6KHCRmnuqliIxdgwAV1brAgQ6iVau04HZ/4xYFINNlPi/8vp7rm5afWzzgE LEewzRn3TMj2pM7PA4rRufwHX0MahJlnDhnCqifaC10tKChsbrR1kghbV6uTUAtBtRE8 UhtA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u585QM/PymkPUKDT9uUFs/ZDlDNdfVxjIrWQ2tN5Hvw=; b=k7pi/ScKDwBKHD9SvMtvOZX7MYCE6/4/4Ysd4KuKXpBU/pnRThpXfuxN0LADQkht6d alXljl9QdTD1e6lTR/7PTEUqRQW0nanfqfgYyTjzD/uHLSLWSbL4nBJa4VKCE8TtUVfU MUC08O04QIqxicjVW6js87udCTYRCYVtltBAIcXyiivyIliXK0ewNiAW9oDLfLJpJqO7 PniMlyS3B2dOZL2TQkJNvO6zN/g/sfkOJuDeNvbJlXl/keYwjw2n6NMNxVYKv9I2MJ0J pO/yB2r006nPJoXkW4LAKNA3jJmOMJrpSNH7E2SyUU38VDg9HEsW/IJEzZ685BYCe/JZ leYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVwRlZaM71mWCGBExPdVpuoEijQdpp7zqDcwj8sFUMvh22DjzFf q2S8PQKMlTyitWkBAWSnu2AhBbL4bTU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw1jobkTK4GBtr4b7YNnMsj8as2X+LKvp9cNkSYpvcseQhKHmwAqKJwSWjoBb2sNFEApLzTzQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6acc:: with SMTP id u12mr10828879wrw.349.1559647910284; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 04:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2a02:ed0:5290:cd00:3a60:77ff:fe2e:af49? 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I have actually added the environment variable to my ~/.bashrc On 4.6.2019 12:02, Juan Bernhard wrote: > Hi, you have to change the value of the LSCOLORS environment variable. > For example: > > $ LSCOLORS="cxfxcxdxbxegedabagacad" ls -G > > Will show directories in green > Check here to have the full meaning of these values > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?ls > > And to michael, ill recomend this search: > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+stop+been+an+asshole > > Cheers, Juan. > > On 4/6/2019 5:07 AM, Amit Yaron wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS in >> FreeBSD 12.0? >> I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark >> background of my terminal. >> >> Thanks, >> Amit >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 13:35:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9239715B0D60 for ; 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Don't search the web for information you have available in your default installation: "man ls" (to find out the values for $LSCOLORS), "man login.conf" (to see how to set environmental variables), and maybe "man csh" (to see how to do this for the C shell, FreeBSD's default dialog shell). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 4 13:38:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C8E15B0E63 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 13:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24E7897D32 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 13:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.111.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M1HuU-1hZoFW2mks-002mbB; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 15:32:56 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 15:32:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Amit Yaron Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Editing LSCOLORS Message-Id: <20190604153256.d04077c5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qybl0W9xd2iuW8hDJ4C1JFMZyBDIv+iPiV16gX3R9ee5n2g3Rbk ZP0nv9X+dhxgNCTs3TrVQj75NfpD0w5AZEkhBXiwimzEK8R9qKGwannvV63xPBwmMXUO8jj XscmsDQARRESupLGqMcCTauSemdchsIqCKU7XQW2LGZ0IB+4+e0hfPsJqQfb67Bdb8YUsMk 9F8/1sRhInWzhY8Fbn8vQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:O9/DGcaG7Fo=:l24tsrwIDZhyTqYDODwZQ0 iQC+JT3KTSSNLrq4qAwvpjl5TcTbdtrMJ83OS8teL3xu21KGrUfrccx6Jqo+h30KMl40Ljgnc xW7D9K93zcYGMxxqczz/HEyn48aALHTa+Cn+nwCzvp58La6pgWBGmydcWeliemRoqQKVDDbiW vBg9FtSlEGvCuJqZg4yMcUBepZtt8fWfJdo1Y4amCu5AeJbp2Y+2tBUqbRVGVcZiMbI/rjtfR oCq2dBWgLAaN9u5DovprDA/tW3Av8jkEoCBby7tyM8e8q8fQ76xthj/wz4F0yyL+RJjbu6G4L FFAOzcmIYri9U6RMe/lVH74N7TGgxmzmC7AApdMrVUHYsbtCbNJ8VY8FobqSX8uIO40tNApDK cFQZOqO0rxXBXIg2tLI+IcuH9hVhs/sc9dvqwkI+nZpAs8egTtMFNdxy284Pu/uUKK7JqZwtw BE3qvItMhUQ/gEZjmgCQj81F00O8BGDcBDerXT/UZP5dtMpaZuZuKVvCMMnNqPjYEOdr19jgt B9jKkBHN4vKPFjFFFEdTcsE/Xn4c2djyxcsY+JKYi0MaX+UOIle26uulOmsStvf+RBl8HTNZp MbgQYvh3Zj64/i06WhJWr9eh40db/6KVR2YUmmRWj6Emkpy6ijAcUB8SQs8O1ruiun7ZwNv+h MzYY+VuKKvvR+T7jXAAnA6G0nil5CchmAc4wq6Umd39TDIMP2R/S2YaSrmunuIRwJoE1/JgrK SsAC8VoX1dLE7zONpuLN/p49vRaKVFNFXVlh7MSM3EDQe5sxXJ1OWFNQFEI= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 24E7897D32 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.56 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[146.111.102.188.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.61)[0.612,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.988,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.57)[ip: (1.73), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.44), asn: 8560(2.55), country: DE(-0.00)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 13:38:27 -0000 On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:07:00 +0300, Amit Yaron wrote: > Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS in > FreeBSD 12.0? Just set the environment variable according to your needs. There are several ways to do so (typically ~/.login_conf for shell-independent settings, or your shell's interactive initialization file, for example ~/.cshrc for the C shell). > I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark > background of my terminal. I have setenv LSCOLORS ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxeg in my ~/.cshrc which resembles the color scheme of an older Linux version. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I've set it in my ~/.bashrc Just wanted a user-friendly tool with which I can edit the variable. On 4.6.2019 14:35, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:24:13 +0300, Amit Yaron wrote: >> 2/ If I had found it on the web, I wouldn't have published my question. > > Don't search the web for information you have available > in your default installation: "man ls" (to find out the > values for $LSCOLORS), "man login.conf" (to see how to > set environmental variables), and maybe "man csh" (to > see how to do this for the C shell, FreeBSD's default > dialog shell). > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 03:52:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0806715C3F69 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 03:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7C0C6A0BA for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 03:52:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.33.231]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MFsdD-1hLNrm0dVX-00HOXD; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 05:52:21 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 05:52:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Amit Yaron Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Editing LSCOLORS Message-Id: <20190605055220.661acb4b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <57bf43fe-9ec2-4e10-0aa0-be054364d4a3@phpandmore.net> References: <4299ac8a-ddb9-9f55-69c8-121bf9632cc8@phpandmore.net> <20190604153505.86f4c58d.freebsd@edvax.de> <57bf43fe-9ec2-4e10-0aa0-be054364d4a3@phpandmore.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yneuJ3w+kh7iRlco2Pc5Rxx18ucHCMqKwCoVid+GMbgCXbS5AsH HZIW7W2yqJISLFN0ZWQTEGY6nCW4lm/U5YXqJF5j+2osw4O9NGey6m5dDNWPeRqDHG8Vcdy 0aYQ4Y/XIQ/LSLI0NGza7pJ0tfb83QJya6zoOLgvLE6xoXZX9SWl+R/BN0HshD4tRibNuz1 gOHpUGzvJhgsm1tlhq9eQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:kHR0wKeJU1U=:dbDSCgLdjgsfWbfWmOGjIS MRl+Ouzlr4t17dLL1ds323KTCcNP+rxsQEIvayc0FsNd7eqkAjO/hrFgAf5jAswKXhn0YlFLd jAOJGLR/SKv5V9tJO+Nrh7npywzlUg0K5VisNTwc12mNtumxNGFtRvXY7Im/LsM7r1T95J3SQ BbhjXoGfGwrYxQalm8SYB8UMggSw+FLdaFzF0IfZXo/P4p2HsmP2cPDaMlhIIsEDLLpsqaOvs 1BumYoQAk84fP5/BMj9pawhFDBDle32h19NvudRwkJT3apzB1UYXWJdwtoIaZxH75jYSePP34 ArTcXqTHIgTUAfOGf0GsXH02JAL8m81aYr6s6eMI5wCVx5FF2QzQsdMGI62/FDwMc9FHelLWy sMragVyocoaSx0GTy/906IMZAsZ+eKuuYy4Z3tjeECJoxVNeoMXH7p4lmdrEBTqhJd3KZHDuq dseEMzAjNHUAaG2t9KJalL9e2B8h3lHSkQo+fU2cj+ewb8r7ZBUOHO7E4oqPcpm6lGdhA8Gd1 weczWRU0WFxXo9oU7JYuluazesvNQArlCdSkagh6bzFTlu/RwbTrFgwQX+pSARNzWk5eK0kxN RJHONGRf1PzxqcPjOu+xO0pmYl1jklxuOWczn/RMZf0JLqI3FcH8Pe/y9IkMildUznQDlALq7 V8UnkXREm4RWZGBhuZbi+CGHZhnrImx8zGB3MvbwqjKivhZrKBF9QyKg9UURaRV0XReWSO6Z0 TPJdMncM2UjqPNArMIBHac+PG/u0LIbuQKcGcGMPezRIDek2ErNb8mZQy0c= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B7C0C6A0BA X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[231.33.12.178.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.95)[0.948,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.971,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.56)[ip: (1.69), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.44), asn: 8560(2.55), country: DE(-0.00)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 03:52:27 -0000 On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 16:52:04 +0300, Amit Yaron wrote: > Thanks! > I've set it in my ~/.bashrc > Just wanted a user-friendly tool with which I can edit the variable. As this variable is optional (for the operation of the ls program), there is no such tool. Except of course you consider your editor of choice as such a tool, which edits _files_ that have an effect on setting the variable. Or you can see the line editing feature of your shell as such a means... as both are very user-friendly. ;-) However, when you have set $LSCOLORS once, there is hardly any need to change it several times a week. The color codes and the positional parameters that form the variable's content can be found in "man ls". Do some experimenting in your shell, and save the final result to ~/.login_conf or your shell's startup file, which in case of bash is ~/.bashrc (for interactive shells; see section "INVOCATION" in "man bash" for details). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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There's a handy online LSCOLORS generator by Geoff Greer that I discovered a few weeks ago: https://geoff.greer.fm/lscolors/ FreeBSD's ls is a bit limited, but GNU ls can be installed with the sysutils/coreutils port. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190605044713.nztgi4tfufcnayeu@ozzmosis.com> From: Amit Yaron Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:25:25 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190605044713.nztgi4tfufcnayeu@ozzmosis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 919516C856 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=B2R+W1Rl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.52)[ip: (2.08), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.32), asn: 15169(-2.30), country: US(-0.06)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.384,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 05:25:32 -0000 Thank you very much! On 5.6.2019 5:47, andrew clarke wrote: > On Tue 2019-06-04 11:07:00 UTC+0300, Amit Yaron (amit@phpandmore.net) wrote: > >> Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS in >> FreeBSD 12.0? >> I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark background >> of my terminal. > > There's a handy online LSCOLORS generator by Geoff Greer that I discovered a > few weeks ago: > > https://geoff.greer.fm/lscolors/ > > FreeBSD's ls is a bit limited, but GNU ls can be installed with the > sysutils/coreutils port. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 06:18:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AA115C711B for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 06:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C5A6DEE4 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 06:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BB93AF39 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 23:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C4C5A6DEE4 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.tristatelogic.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.12)[ip: (-8.24), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.12), asn: 14051(-3.17), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 06:18:50 -0000 During install of my fresh new 12.0-RELEASE system, I was asked if I wanted to enable ntpd. I clicked the little box to enable that. Now I have the system up and running, and yesa, the date/time isn't set right.... off by several hours. I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. 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([2a02:ed0:5290:cd00:3a60:77ff:fe2e:af49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r131sm8623391wmf.4.2019.06.04.23.33.58 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Jun 2019 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Editing LSCOLORS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.questions References: <4299ac8a-ddb9-9f55-69c8-121bf9632cc8@phpandmore.net> <20190604153505.86f4c58d.freebsd@edvax.de> <57bf43fe-9ec2-4e10-0aa0-be054364d4a3@phpandmore.net> <20190605055220.661acb4b.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Amit Yaron Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:33:56 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190605055220.661acb4b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 866D16E770 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=myI+ljci X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.09 / 15.00]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.963,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[phpandmore-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.39), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.32), asn: 15169(-2.30), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 06:34:05 -0000 Or... ask a question here, and get a great answer with a link to a site that help you construct the value of the environment variable. On 5.6.2019 4:52, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 16:52:04 +0300, Amit Yaron wrote: >> Thanks! >> I've set it in my ~/.bashrc >> Just wanted a user-friendly tool with which I can edit the variable. > > As this variable is optional (for the operation of the ls program), > there is no such tool. Except of course you consider your editor of > choice as such a tool, which edits _files_ that have an effect on > setting the variable. Or you can see the line editing feature of > your shell as such a means... as both are very user-friendly. ;-) > > However, when you have set $LSCOLORS once, there is hardly any need > to change it several times a week. The color codes and the positional > parameters that form the variable's content can be found in "man ls". > Do some experimenting in your shell, and save the final result to > ~/.login_conf or your shell's startup file, which in case of bash > is ~/.bashrc (for interactive shells; see section "INVOCATION" in > "man bash" for details). > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 07:29:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E61B15C8328 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 07:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay1-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay1-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.182]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD2146F94A for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 07:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=437k1zZ876x4Xao+6u+KkjjjZgrCEfOjybHb162GQzI=; b=rlxJxAHTYgwv7H1G9FTf0QpArY70lNjooKFFXV3BJF+bsGeQi3OwGtktqCTHp68Hi8zOJGjeQe3Y5 TAZfeLRstM9GSoKpekcwyEfDt2ojpZXGK8V/g8SzfYh+JD6TdzM9AiYFeHu3ueWjM1/GBYzdH5xsH3 UVXKZiM3sqECFNaY= X-HalOne-Cookie: 06f28d4d1bf5002bf67514ad0a49e1742fd6ff9e X-HalOne-ID: 9cdbfa9a-8763-11e9-bc29-d0431ea8a283 Received: from phlatboks (unknown [85.166.11.66]) by mailrelay1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 9cdbfa9a-8763-11e9-bc29-d0431ea8a283; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 07:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery From: Matthias Oestreicher To: "Ronald F. 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Guilmette: > During install of my fresh new 12.0-RELEASE system, I was asked > if I wanted to enable ntpd. I clicked the little box to enable > that. > > Now I have the system up and running, and yesa, the date/time isn't > set right.... off by several hours. > > I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly > enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the > Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during > install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. > NTP works out of the box, but does not accept big time changes unless you run it with the -g option. I think it's not ntp's fault. The very first thing you should check is, if the empty file /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists. It must only exist, when your computer's BIOS clock is set to local time or you will experience offsets in time. Though, it is recommended to have the BIOS clock set to GMT (and not to localtime) and /etc/wall_cmos_clock removed in case it exists. 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Guilmette wrote: > > During install of my fresh new 12.0-RELEASE system, I was asked > if I wanted to enable ntpd. I clicked the little box to enable > that. > > Now I have the system up and running, and yesa, the date/time isn't > set right.... off by several hours. > > I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly > enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the > Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during > install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. Some easy things: Make sure ntpd started okay; next check the time zone and run tzsetup if it's wrong; add [ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"] to your rc.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 15:12:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4469115B0CE2 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 780F38712C for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD45F222F3; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 11:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 05 Jun 2019 11:11:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:in-reply-to; s=fm2; bh=lBFR0bgG7YktZtev3uEj02lepdN xQvFk6ER5AjIrtiI=; b=WMknG2R3J6HueU10DsSOQmbPZ6p6zuuhwi18o7S5+j+ IUSvIuQcKUlNq6IMXNRljJLWRL6/p1reMzFwzLKG0TKd5wQzKzAKoQTBvEceTX0Q 1sdXREhHYJoo1+wanfLIJcSK9JuOTrXVRnco5n+33e3HiFbt4kCGLTRWYeXyPkhS xfO+NH5XoEi00VuunBrNwGUBsfQ/3yAHnpQMG0JfkYdLO5+CIPHnwhO4nErKNjwE ZR1iM8K8YJxmgI7atL9fWsEC+JLg7sj2I/CqijzA/rqHhLpOINDgKGxDQcrL7Tdf nGFcTWzTwzEEyaDr4pRfoNXPbsE5/EcSbWDqB2s2Gug== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=lBFR0b gG7YktZtev3uEj02lepdNxQvFk6ER5AjIrtiI=; b=QreYpgs/l9g4iUxWSKDTCW fpJmhDwlDiY/7PIdOHyE4cy1LKxTm3mDfn7YcsbEKueiJR41LcZMZMiBDYu9Z8sR +yxidLv19BjR/KkOpyAclmtHisS3gga0H/DjwCaUVoEuqiJ+w888jDWw19y2WA5n QOyQFtL3DkwDqBXhIfw5/uxLuKqeov+WpA767qs8qFvTZ+LooZIeDkaIPjXcBFUq BZJ+iZR39QtocZkA9VO3rIo0t+dH390c4uETA1gOHY3TxHdygmXe6yNmO2mH+Nr/ IHpUQe3HF2az9CZ+b8vJpkzjxKPHh9mT491w8I9xQqzgX1DC85yHfPqJc8iYLq2w == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudegvddgkeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujggfsehgtd erredtredvnecuhfhrohhmpehtvggthhdqlhhishhtshcuoehtvggthhdqlhhishhtshes iiihgihsthdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeekvddrjedtrdeluddruddtudenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomhepthgvtghhqdhlihhsthhsseiihiigshhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhs thgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from rpi3.zyxst.net (rpi3.zyxst.net [82.70.91.101]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 98384380088; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 11:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 16:11:55 +0100 From: tech-lists To: "J. 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Altman wrote: >Hi... > >I'm not subscribed to the freebsd-questions list; so this is >outside the thread you started. > >I use this: > >vidfont > >This is in my rc.conf: font8x8=3Dvgarom-8x8.fnt > >If you type vidfont in a terminal, you'll see >some choices; I was able to use Gallant in a >different version of FreeBSD with a different >graphics card; but with my current setup and >the changes in X impacting FreeBSD, I can only >use the 8x8 font. > >You may have a different experience; so I suggest >using vidfont at a command line to see what you get. > >Also, if you could, please Cc: the list in your reply >so that this info becomes available...I've not seen >any one else offer it for the past several months, >so it seems like no one knows about vidfont...but I >could be wrong about that. > >Best of luck, > >Joe > Hi, [I've Cc'd to the list as requested] Thanks for this. Was suprised there were so few fonts though. I thought the nicest ones were Gallant and if only terminus-b32 (I guess the 32 is the font size) could be 12-point I'd use that. Hopefully there's a way of adding more fonts. thanks, --=20 J. --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAlz327IACgkQs8o7QhFz NAUEZw/9G8LfykgmdyeYptDTUUV9tREQhW2ysef7g3X9bUEWACM+mmWgP+AETMzx MqsN6YQm334nkWs7rCNjOEHUjUpMpjdCR3KUY1Nqzmk6dOGrPFWBoZqVn6DE8QeI m7MrcNSXSkT9YPBCA/zGE7MTaYFVBXSXPEAlAMlU9ktCuKCkleuP8wzb7VxDlypb dK5oIDf3cWVpULI2lByFwclz6eVzou2jf4gEJnRy02kLFphvCV2ptkKaE2HnB8RY utdgSea+ymc4n8i8GWZJjUqFt2eYSf/gpokFNPsmbC97xcYsULY1kC+rMrQqSmVT xczCxnPlWi8Q+VtKNYNpXEF6kz7vgHVAJDGuwhFXCjPt0talFkLK4hfMlqv5O3zM 4XAnjSLy0/NE0wsKGOINn9NEPCJ+iSn7AVEzH3R9+nZwrMpwZxQo7jDAabitaass vDl90cAVZA/usoUBI8iU3L1VnQ/6U/+n/B5+tIlEE9J13AY4YV9Bu1tEbGzq0NJr 7G6KezgRMa9l4oxf5ywlKH1YxydoU7d3nQAXrJFIbySLJfss+fyTZ3ok0HS2Y2uN vC7ZtZ251eZ2biCqQCqI9fQ1t/oTk2afoagc+cnUmwFAQrY/3bwGN2oPGMl6tVQm lZFpqXEADxbIbNgQ4pc1K/oq+E8U4evqkFurPan3KvNhSaiRn94= =1+61 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 17:28:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1953A15B3E93 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 17:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAA58BDE3 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 17:28:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924093AEFE; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 10:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Matthias Oestreicher Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 10:28:13 -0700 Message-ID: <51500.1559755693@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EDAA58BDE3 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.tristatelogic.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.881,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.16)[ip: (-8.34), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.17), asn: 14051(-3.23), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 17:28:16 -0000 In message , Matthias Oestreicher wrote: >NTP works out of the box, but does not accept big time changes unless you run it with >the -g option. I think it's not ntp's fault. OK. Thanks. It now appears that this was indeed the issue, and I did need the -g option. The ntpd daemon -was- dying entirely, shortly after starting up, but now I have run it manually with the -g option and also with the other options that it normally gets when it has been started via "/etc/rc.d/ntpd start" and now all seems to be well. (Apparently, adding ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" to /etc/rc.conf is the particular magic that should be used to cause ntpd to always be started with the -g option, which suits me just fine. I'm not sure why this isn't used by default, but I guess that some folks are a lot more worried about their time getting set wrong somehow than I am.) Just one more small thing... The man page for ntpd says, very explicitly, undetr the description of the -g option, that when and if ntpd finds that the time adjustment needed is too big, it will exit *and* also write a message (presumably explaining why it did that) to "the system log". I am assming that for a fresh new system that has not yet been fiddled too much, that means the message in question... which explains why ntpd has elected to commit suicide... should appear in the /var/log/messages file. Certainly I *am* seeing other messages from ntpd in that file. But I am quite certainly *not* seeing any message in that file and tagged with the name "ntpd" that mentioned either that ntpd was electing to commit suicide *or* the reason why it might be doing so. Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 19:41:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBDA15B73B7 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay4-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay4-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.185]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FBE56A353 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=qrUgBoT+n6Z08WoYOR3+164kijMT44vNREhsgfWzlCw=; b=pr64YyVIw1s/w5PzwR2IjwVJjEz9soeGk3wSjuPmrl+XRpOl+58dWLkLDW3DJvmxV92Gz5H6c+cac VayUGnS0or7nZNurAMShvAFugvyQsp5jeKZnzz1s4Je3MqDYctpqIGckMYvdKVHIXq/3/cvV1k52qm 2glqiHuuPMzphBV8= X-HalOne-Cookie: ebe034bb57914eae977e0f09e13aaa5e9bb21cef X-HalOne-ID: a1ee899c-87c7-11e9-abcc-d0431ea8bb10 Received: from phlatboks (unknown [85.166.11.66]) by mailrelay4.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id a1ee899c-87c7-11e9-abcc-d0431ea8bb10; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <58688a77362d7caad70df844d5077d0916f7f944.camel@smormegpa.no> Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery From: Matthias Oestreicher To: "Ronald F. 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Guilmette: > In message , > Matthias Oestreicher wrote: > > > NTP works out of the box, but does not accept big time changes unless you run it > > with > > the -g option. I think it's not ntp's fault. > > OK. Thanks. It now appears that this was indeed the issue, and I did > need the -g option. The ntpd daemon -was- dying entirely, shortly after > starting up, but now I have run it manually with the -g option and also > with the other options that it normally gets when it has been started > via "/etc/rc.d/ntpd start" and now all seems to be well. > > (Apparently, adding ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" to /etc/rc.conf is the > particular magic that should be used to cause ntpd to always be started > with the -g option, which suits me just fine. I'm not sure why this > isn't used by default, but I guess that some folks are a lot more > worried about their time getting set wrong somehow than I am.) > > Just one more small thing... The man page for ntpd says, very explicitly, > undetr the description of the -g option, that when and if ntpd finds > that the time adjustment needed is too big, it will exit *and* also > write a message (presumably explaining why it did that) to "the system > log". I am assming that for a fresh new system that has not yet been > fiddled too much, that means the message in question... which explains > why ntpd has elected to commit suicide... should appear in the > /var/log/messages file. Certainly I *am* seeing other messages from > ntpd in that file. But I am quite certainly *not* seeing any message > in that file and tagged with the name "ntpd" that mentioned either that > ntpd was electing to commit suicide *or* the reason why it might be > doing so. > > Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? Sorry, I've never seen ntpd exit due to too big offset and I don't know how that would show in /var/log/messages. Anyway, even if it seems to work now, I'd check if your time is based on localtime or GMT. It's recommended to use GMT, I never use localtime personally. In your original question you said:"off by several hours" and that's usually caused by having FreeBSD configured to use localtime, while the hardware clock in the BIOS is set to GMT (or maybe the otherway around). This happend to me once, when I accidentally chose localtime during install, while I had BIOS clock set to GMT. I was totally confused and wondered where that offset came from, until I got the hint to remove /etc/wall_cmos_clock on the forums. That said, check if the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists and if, remove it (it's an empty file). Normally, neither the -g option nor sync_on_start should be needed, if the hardware clock in your computer's BIOS is correctly set to GMT. Doesn't hurt to use them, but if ntpd does not work without, I'd check the clock. Open www.greenwichmeantime.com on your cellphone and set your BIOS clock to what it shows under "GMT now". Then you'll normaly get no more then a few seconds off, which ntpd handles without the need to accept big changes. Hope this helps you a little bit to understand what's going on. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 19:42:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B3F15B7560 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E080A6A4FC for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015063AEFE for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 12:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery In-Reply-To: <58688a77362d7caad70df844d5077d0916f7f944.camel@smormegpa.no> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 12:42:02 -0700 Message-ID: <52339.1559763722@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E080A6A4FC X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.tristatelogic.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.13)[ip: (-8.24), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.12), asn: 14051(-3.21), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 19:42:06 -0000 In message <58688a77362d7caad70df844d5077d0916f7f944.camel@smormegpa.no>, Matthias Oestreicher wrote: >> Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? >Sorry, I've never seen ntpd exit due to too big offset and I don't know how that would >show in /var/log/messages. It would appear that, most probably, nobody knows what the ntpd suicide log messages look like, because it doesn't actually produce any (contrary to what the man page says). >Anyway, even if it seems to work now, I'd check if your time is based on localtime or >GMT. It's recommended to use GMT, I never use localtime personally. For me, I prefer local time. When I type "date" I don't really give a flying fig what time it is in London. I'm in California. >In your original question you said:"off by several hours"... I don't think I said anything like that, but anyway,. yes, it is possible that my BIOS clock was set way way off. (I actually think that it was set quite close to actual local time, but I could be wrong about that.) >and that's usually caused by >having FreeBSD configured to use localtime, while the hardware clock in the BIOS is set >to GMT (or maybe the otherway around). Yes. Most likely the other way around in my case. >This happend to me once, when I accidentally >chose localtime during install, while I had BIOS clock set to GMT. I was totally >confused and wondered where that offset came from, until I got the hint to remove >/etc/wall_cmos_clock on the forums. > >That said, check if the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists and if, remove it (it's an >empty file). Well, *that* is bloody confusing. I thought that someone here just recommended to me that I make suere that I *do* have this file... *not* that I don't have it. >Normally, neither the -g option nor sync_on_start should be needed, if the hardware >clock in your computer's BIOS is correctly set to GMT. Doesn't hurt to use them, but if >ntpd does not work without, I'd check the clock. See above and my various other messages. I need to keep the BIOS clock set to local time for reasons having nothing to do with FreeBSD. Anyway, no worries. I'm a happy camper now. Ntpd is running and all is well with the world. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 20:03:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4AF15B7E9E for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:03:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay4-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay4-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.185]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D3506B1A2 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=UIBDa2sfwPANq8hwcCd20r5uij6UY/lWySL3mrwoLy8=; b=e/SvjbKn0VIdSykYxN22GaYKW7Bw01Cqa9YJH+aJDj/zHdybJZDP7VkbYDWf/h95CbkkaHtKo2bT7 jH8jJxBK3X+reLadcw+2W6fdgJvnJrjV4PS6BWCIdfnEr2Tqp82rcGMgfV3Ekb7Oq9iSIhF20mur9h aMqqyHr1Adi5vXV0= X-HalOne-Cookie: 11115433f67289b6732b36134b2bfec563bc38a6 X-HalOne-ID: 07aba033-87cd-11e9-abcc-d0431ea8bb10 Received: from phlatboks (unknown [85.166.11.66]) by mailrelay4.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 07aba033-87cd-11e9-abcc-d0431ea8bb10; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7a7d9f28d498b1a06c0bb9185ea61d224fb5710b.camel@smormegpa.no> Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery From: Matthias Oestreicher To: "Ronald F. 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Guilmette: > In message <58688a77362d7caad70df844d5077d0916f7f944.camel@smormegpa.no>, > Matthias Oestreicher wrote: > > > > Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? > > > > Sorry, I've never seen ntpd exit due to too big offset and I don't know how that > > would > > show in /var/log/messages. > > It would appear that, most probably, nobody knows what the ntpd suicide log > messages look like, because it doesn't actually produce any (contrary to > what the man page says). > > > Anyway, even if it seems to work now, I'd check if your time is based on localtime > > or > > GMT. It's recommended to use GMT, I never use localtime personally. > > For me, I prefer local time. When I type "date" I don't really give a > flying fig what time it is in London. I'm in California. > > > In your original question you said:"off by several hours"... > > I don't think I said anything like that, but anyway,. yes, it is possible > that my BIOS clock was set way way off. (I actually think that it was set > quite close to actual local time, but I could be wrong about that.) > > > and that's usually caused by > > having FreeBSD configured to use localtime, while the hardware clock in the BIOS is > > set > > to GMT (or maybe the otherway around). > > Yes. Most likely the other way around in my case. > > > This happend to me once, when I accidentally > > chose localtime during install, while I had BIOS clock set to GMT. I was totally > > confused and wondered where that offset came from, until I got the hint to remove > > /etc/wall_cmos_clock on the forums. > > > > That said, check if the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists and if, remove it (it's an > > empty file). > > Well, *that* is bloody confusing. I thought that someone here just recommended > to me that I make suere that I *do* have this file... *not* that I don't have > it. > > > Normally, neither the -g option nor sync_on_start should be needed, if the hardware > > clock in your computer's BIOS is correctly set to GMT. Doesn't hurt to use them, > > but if > > ntpd does not work without, I'd check the clock. > > See above and my various other messages. I need to keep the BIOS clock set > to local time for reasons having nothing to do with FreeBSD. > > Anyway, no worries. I'm a happy camper now. Ntpd is running and all is > well with the world. > > > Regards, > rfg > I didn't mean to confuse. 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Guilmette" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery In-Reply-To: <51500.1559755693@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <51500.1559755693@segfault.tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 41B436D571 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com does not designate 204.107.128.30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@fledge.watson.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.945,0]; REPLYTO_DN_EQ_FROM_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[bucksport.safeport.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; IP_SCORE(2.53)[ip: (6.74), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(3.37), asn: 11288(2.61), country: US(-0.06)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 21:12:17 -0000 On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message , > Matthias Oestreicher wrote: > >> NTP works out of the box, but does not accept big time changes unless you run it with >> the -g option. I think it's not ntp's fault. > > OK. Thanks. It now appears that this was indeed the issue, and I did > need the -g option. The ntpd daemon -was- dying entirely, shortly after > starting up, but now I have run it manually with the -g option and also > with the other options that it normally gets when it has been started > via "/etc/rc.d/ntpd start" and now all seems to be well. > > (Apparently, adding ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" to /etc/rc.conf is the > particular magic that should be used to cause ntpd to always be started > with the -g option, which suits me just fine. I'm not sure why this > isn't used by default, but I guess that some folks are a lot more > worried about their time getting set wrong somehow than I am.) > > Just one more small thing... The man page for ntpd says, very explicitly, > undetr the description of the -g option, that when and if ntpd finds > that the time adjustment needed is too big, it will exit *and* also > write a message (presumably explaining why it did that) to "the system > log". I am assming that for a fresh new system that has not yet been > fiddled too much, that means the message in question... which explains > why ntpd has elected to commit suicide... should appear in the > /var/log/messages file. Certainly I *am* seeing other messages from > ntpd in that file. But I am quite certainly *not* seeing any message > in that file and tagged with the name "ntpd" that mentioned either that > ntpd was electing to commit suicide *or* the reason why it might be > doing so. > > Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? I'm not sure. Somewhere in the ntp docs it says ntpd will not change the time if the offset is too large. On the server where I either connect to a local ntp server or to a set I define, ntpd starts but in affect does nothing. Using the current FreeBSD setup I find that sometimes ntp will not start. For me this generally has meant ntpd got started before DNS got going. At least that's the errors I have in /var/log/messages indicate. You can use ntpq to check the status of things ntp. There are lots of "neat" commands, I just use lpeer. That will give something like: > ntpq ntpq> lpeer remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== +ntp.wdc1.us.lea 130.133.1.10 2 u 903 1024 377 6.661 2.560 2.170 *ntp.your.org .CDMA. 1 u 131 1024 377 27.607 -1.345 2.149 +103.105.51.156 195.195.221.100 2 u 835 1024 377 67.670 -2.897 1.770 ntpq> If ntp is not running you get something much less informative. As for the time zone setting I have since FreeBSD day 1 (1996) said no to the system install prompt that says "answer no ..." and set the time zone to the physical locale of the server. I sometimes go to the UK, then I use tzsetup to change the time zone to zulu (local time). I've never had any reason to vary this setup. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 21:25:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DA415B973C for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CF96DA44 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C513AEFE for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 14:25:36 -0700 Message-ID: <52802.1559769936@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C8CF96DA44 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.tristatelogic.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.939,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.14)[ip: (-8.28), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.14), asn: 14051(-3.23), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 21:25:46 -0000 In message , doug@fledge.watson.org wrote: >> Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? > >I'm not sure. Somewhere in the ntp docs it says ntpd will not change the time if >the offset is too large... Yes. Here is the exact quote from the current man page for ntpd: -g, --panicgate Allow the first adjustment to be Big. This option may appear an unlimited number of times. Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log if the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ offset exceeds the panic threshold, which is 1000 s by default. So either I need new glasses or else that part underlined above is just plain wrong. Because even after my ntpd died several times, I was unable to find -any- message telling me that ntpd had chosen suicide, let alone what the reasons for that might have been. At least not in /var/log/messages. >You can use ntpq to check the status of things ntp. There are lots of "neat" >commands... Yea. I know. But thank you. Alas, that command/program isn't really all that informative if ntpd isn't even running. 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(jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@192.168.249.6) by mail.tridentusa.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2019 17:27:48 -0400 Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <52339.1559763722@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: John Johnstone Message-ID: <0d9aacc3-3ec1-edef-1aa3-924eee172b1b@tridentusa.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 17:27:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52339.1559763722@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9E0A26DAF5 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jjohnstone.nospamfreebsd@tridentusa.com designates 96.225.19.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jjohnstone.nospamfreebsd@tridentusa.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.22)[-0.217,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tridentusa.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.82)[-0.820,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.42)[0.424,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail1.tridentusa.com,mail.tridentusa.com]; IP_SCORE(0.24)[asn: 701(1.24), country: US(-0.06)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:96.225.0.0/17, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 21:27:56 -0000 On 6/5/19 3:42 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <58688a77362d7caad70df844d5077d0916f7f944.camel@smormegpa.no>, > Matthias Oestreicher wrote: > >>> Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? >> Sorry, I've never seen ntpd exit due to too big offset and I don't know how that would >> show in /var/log/messages. > > It would appear that, most probably, nobody knows what the ntpd suicide log > messages look like, because it doesn't actually produce any (contrary to > what the man page says). On recent FreeBSD versions I've seen it just silently fail to start and stay running. After powering up several HP ProLiants and setting the hardware clocks to local time before booting a FreeBSD 12 installation USB drive, I've answered No to the "CMOS clock set to UTC?" question. After picking a timezone and finishing the installation, the system completes it's first boot up but NTP is not running. Observed by service ntpd status as well as a ntpq -c sysinfo. Doing a date shows the system time set to be UTC even though it's configured for a local timezone. Manually setting the system's clock with date and starting NTP gets NTP running and synchronized after that. - John J. 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(jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@192.168.249.6) by mail.tridentusa.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2019 17:44:21 -0400 Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <52802.1559769936@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: John Johnstone Message-ID: <573da67f-6b21-cdcc-351c-b0ff4026982b@tridentusa.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 17:44:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52802.1559769936@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7CF036E3D2 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jjohnstone.nospamfreebsd@tridentusa.com designates 96.225.19.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jjohnstone.nospamfreebsd@tridentusa.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tridentusa.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail1.tridentusa.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.63)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 96.225.0.0/17(-4.77), asn: 701(1.23), country: US(-0.06)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:96.225.0.0/17, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 21:44:24 -0000 On 6/5/19 5:25 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > doug@fledge.watson.org wrote: > >>> Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? > So either I need new glasses or else that part underlined above is just plain > wrong. Because even after my ntpd died several times, I was unable to find > -any- message telling me that ntpd had chosen suicide, let alone what the > reasons for that might have been. At least not in /var/log/messages. The reason > ntpd assumes something must be terribly wrong and the only reliable > action is for the operator to intervene and set the clock by hand. is just further down in the man page. By default NTP will only adjust time gradually. So if the time discrepancy is too large it will take a really long time for the adjustment to complete. It certainly would be better though if messages were produced when it exits. - John J. 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Guilmette wrote: > >Anyway, even if it seems to work now, I'd check if your time is > >based on localtime or GMT. It's recommended to use GMT, I never use > >localtime personally. > > For me, I prefer local time. When I type "date" I don't really give a > flying fig what time it is in London. I'm in California. What the CMOS clock is set to only affects the time you see when you boot into your motherboard's configuration. It doesn't determine what date(1) displays. Traditionally UNIX runs on UTC and converts to local time as necessary. Running on local time is supported for dual booting with Windows. 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Guilmette" References: <52802.1559769936@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <11728008-40bb-4ff6-5a93-5ebf28ce4735@hedeland.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:10:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52802.1559769936@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CEB4A6F5E1 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outbound.mailhop.org header.s=dkim-high header.b=u0DxSnWE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outbound.mailhop.org:s=dkim-high]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.11)[ipnet: 54.148.0.0/15(-4.14), asn: 16509(-1.34), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outbound.mailhop.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.210.149.54.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.20.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[hedeland.org,mx2.mailhop.org]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[78.155.228.81.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:54.148.0.0/15, country:US]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:26:49 -0000 On 2019-06-05 23:25, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > doug@fledge.watson.org wrote: > >>> Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? >> >> I'm not sure. Somewhere in the ntp docs it says ntpd will not change the time if >> the offset is too large... > > Yes. Here is the exact quote from the current man page for ntpd: > > -g, --panicgate > Allow the first adjustment to be Big. This option may appear an > unlimited number of times. > > Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log if the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > offset exceeds the panic threshold, which is 1000 s by default. > > So either I need new glasses or else that part underlined above is just plain > wrong. Because even after my ntpd died several times, I was unable to find > -any- message telling me that ntpd had chosen suicide, let alone what the > reasons for that might have been. At least not in /var/log/messages. I know that the underlined part *used to* be correct, since I have seen those messages in the distant past (on FreeeBSD they would indeed be in /var/log/messages, but that is OS-dependant). I don't remember the exact wording though, and doing a quick test, I can confirm your observation - nothing at all is logged by the ntpd version included in FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE when it commits suicide due to the offset exceeding the panic threshold. So I guess the logging was lost at some point. https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130 https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2410 Unfortunately the activity seen in those bug reports, including not even applying a provided patch, is probably typical for the maintenance of the "reference implementation" these days. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 5 22:34:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5583615BB1A0 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 22:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112A26FCDE for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 22:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C13AEFE for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery In-Reply-To: <11728008-40bb-4ff6-5a93-5ebf28ce4735@hedeland.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 15:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: <53069.1559774060@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 112A26FCDE X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.tristatelogic.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.956,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.16)[ip: (-8.31), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.16), asn: 14051(-3.25), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:34:23 -0000 In message <11728008-40bb-4ff6-5a93-5ebf28ce4735@hedeland.org>, Per Hedeland wrote: >> Yes. Here is the exact quote from the current man page for ntpd: >> >> -g, --panicgate >> Allow the first adjustment to be Big. This option may appear >an >> unlimited number of times. >> >> Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log if the >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> offset exceeds the panic threshold, which is 1000 s by default >. >> >> So either I need new glasses or else that part underlined above is just plai >n >> wrong. Because even after my ntpd died several times, I was unable to find >> -any- message telling me that ntpd had chosen suicide, let alone what the >> reasons for that might have been. At least not in /var/log/messages. > >I know that the underlined part *used to* be correct, since I have >seen those messages in the distant past (on FreeeBSD they would indeed >be in /var/log/messages, but that is OS-dependant). I don't remember >the exact wording though, and doing a quick test, I can confirm your >observation - nothing at all is logged by the ntpd version included in >FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE when it commits suicide due to the offset >exceeding the panic threshold. So I guess the logging was lost at some >point. Thank you for confirming. so I now know that I am not crazy... or at least not *entirely* crazy. :-) >https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130 >https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2410 > >Unfortunately the activity seen in those bug reports, including not >even applying a provided patch, is probably typical for the >maintenance of the "reference implementation" these days. Well, there is the reference code, and then there is the FreeBSD version thereof. Anyway, I already filed FreeBSD a PR on this: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238352 I will now attach to that the links you provided also, and then just hope for the best. 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Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:57:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <53069.1559774060@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:57:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53069.1559774060@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7D5A471291 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outbound.mailhop.org header.s=dkim-high header.b=nT7azr/S X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outbound.mailhop.org:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: hedeland.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; 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Guilmette wrote: > > In message <11728008-40bb-4ff6-5a93-5ebf28ce4735@hedeland.org>, > Per Hedeland wrote: > >>> Yes. Here is the exact quote from the current man page for ntpd: >>> >>> -g, --panicgate >>> Allow the first adjustment to be Big. This option may appear >> an >>> unlimited number of times. >>> >>> Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log if the >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> offset exceeds the panic threshold, which is 1000 s by default >> . >>> >>> So either I need new glasses or else that part underlined above is just plai >> n >>> wrong. Because even after my ntpd died several times, I was unable to find >>> -any- message telling me that ntpd had chosen suicide, let alone what the >>> reasons for that might have been. At least not in /var/log/messages. >> >> I know that the underlined part *used to* be correct, since I have >> seen those messages in the distant past (on FreeeBSD they would indeed >> be in /var/log/messages, but that is OS-dependant). I don't remember >> the exact wording though, and doing a quick test, I can confirm your >> observation - nothing at all is logged by the ntpd version included in >> FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE when it commits suicide due to the offset >> exceeding the panic threshold. So I guess the logging was lost at some >> point. > > Thank you for confirming. so I now know that I am not crazy... or at > least not *entirely* crazy. :-) > >> https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130 >> https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2410 >> >> Unfortunately the activity seen in those bug reports, including not >> even applying a provided patch, is probably typical for the >> maintenance of the "reference implementation" these days. > > Well, there is the reference code, and then there is the FreeBSD version > thereof. True of course, but AFAIK the FreeBSD developers (like most OS distribution developers) are (understandably) not very keen on having local fixes to "contributed" software, at least when such fixes don't address FreeBSD-specific issues. This does seem to me to be a worthy case for an exception, though. > Anyway, I already filed FreeBSD a PR on this: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238352 > > I will now attach to that the links you provided also, and then just > hope for the best. You have my support.:-) --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 04:41:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1301915C24A1 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 04:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F37884013 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 04:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id t5so908363wmh.3 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 21:41:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Uqr7SHcGO3aIGAI7+yqYdQMA8KNXGvI3U7qETMsYbLU=; b=vZOHRKTnlmS0fkVLhjDhyG6FdBgOlyX7vUhDp5nr9Xt69kLQVHJYfpstOKAQMUNFtB l8HVfBNEY6mt0auVUuLuh1mpaPbSw/KlHQ/8hjrlwH2+DpXObTsKzhyUSnbWm7drm83S AgAsn4MV5gt+GwIOK0qLNQgM2UEfsfM5qQa8lifwklMKZHIeRe77jJlC8hHro9Emh3k4 /oYleb5mfTTx1TQWT7/vU7goKpFYv5AsaRNvaoBzJ3NexBf+R4KSU6BRAKBaYXjQ0Nh5 pneqm7H8nYK813aUsqY4gUezdJQmtYVT1qod9q+jN11PBmQMVjRjzBArYzxgs/KGwpWq g24A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Uqr7SHcGO3aIGAI7+yqYdQMA8KNXGvI3U7qETMsYbLU=; b=DPFGrZ8+DTMrIC/zaAVU6im5B5gi3C8XhlRWVZVPpDQbNzXEVkc9zE5G3bGUl/vs9R Woq+i2mJghhRTVtbIoal6CuegBnqaPLAzitI13/1yZX+SZtznhzR1viOrUQb1b3fB3gK lOxcC3ssqLk0UR2tQDmNMgQ6IP0wAKfTFjQu7/TfkLIlsMrsIsOwiSU968iMylclwgBT eljSfe9vhIc5fEJCFvi7ktnmHoQAMZT9X6zRoRbr1S+SC/zmCIddNG5Gl+75/wdKHA1U df7kNXncbxcoaLowkj2BoKxRUKUvIU5hqMo0MjPlHqdt9EzkV6BhwCVBh8L/GIfQfbZQ ErPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXHe4ZPgA2WMsm4DEulEDeRAgUyu6XEs6HNPfJFeuXfcM7gVUAG GBuWTWD9+wjzJDtdni0+UEsFaP8Rprjcy6t5S5ar5x3K X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyw8Snvsd56a1D+sNb0dvYrPGXzrPYY9Hln4OtTUtCU6oUfaYsIJ8jtB53VYixVLC7SNskmbYwtQtPTjC9aZU0= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cd84:: with SMTP id y4mr25712934wmj.41.1559796079214; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 21:41:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:a709:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:41:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20190603101917.GA76784@home.lan> References: <20190603101917.GA76784@home.lan> From: David Mehler Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail To: Julien Cigar Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9F37884013 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=vZOHRKTn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::336 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.79 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.967,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.39), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.33), asn: 15169(-2.30), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 04:41:23 -0000 Hello, Thanks for your suggestions. That's way over my head. I don't have zfs going on this setup. I do have a /16 ipv6 host-address. So what I am needing help with and i'm sure these are beginner questions: 1. how do I divide the /64 ipv6 address so that each jail can have an ipv6 address as well as an ipv4 address. 2. I'm needing each jail to log to the host machine. I'm wanting to do this because I've got fail2ban going on the host and want to ban addresses that are hitting on the jails. Thanks. Dave. On 6/3/19, Julien Cigar wrote: > On Sat, Jun 01, 2019 at 08:30:31PM -0400, David Mehler wrote: >> Hello, > > Hello, > >> >> I've got a newly installed FreeBSD 12 vps. It's going to be running a >> web server/php hosting multiple sites, with letsencrypt tls >> certificates for each. It's also going to be running an email server, >> postfix, dovecot, rspamd, mysql database backend, again with the same >> letsencrypt tls certificates. Previously I've had all this on one >> host. >> >> What I'm wondering is if I should jail off these services, I've got a >> zfs setup, still trying to wrap my head around that, and am wondering >> should I run the database in one jail, the webserver/php in another >> jail, and the email server in a third jail? If I do this how would I >> get the tls certificates in to each jail, I'm looking for the maximum >> automation. >> > > I would highly suggest to jail everything, not only for the added > security, but also for maintainability. > > Suggestion: > - Script everything with some CMS (I highly recommend SaltStack) > - Use ZFS (and clones) and two datasets per jail: one for the things you > deploy with your CMS and one for the "data" (= things generated by > the installed applications within the jail), with some nullfs mounts > from the HOST into the jails. It will facilitate the updates a lot. > At the end the goal is to be able to zfs destroy tank/jails/your_jail > and re-create it from scratch with one command. > - With VIMAGE, tagged VLANs, some orchestration tool (SaltStack), and > ZFS snapshots send/receive your can achieve nearly real-time > migration. > - Use HAProxy and SNI, and manage certs from there. At work we have an > orchestration script which 1) generate Let's Encrypt certificates in > somejail (certbot.lan) and if it succeed 2) rsync them on the HAProxy > nodes > > Julien > >> Thanks. >> Dave. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > Julien Cigar > Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) > PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 > No trees were killed in the creation of this message. > However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 06:39:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4427015C798C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 06:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3D9F87BBA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 06:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x566dU2u032410 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Jun 2019 08:39:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dave.mehler@gmail.com References: <20190603101917.GA76784@home.lan> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <4d1e0daa-90c6-1729-6ccd-b44200d87034@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 08:39:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A3D9F87BBA X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailserver.netfence.it]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.70)[-0.698,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.06)[ip: (-3.23), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-1.61), asn: 30722(-0.52), country: IT(0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 06:39:49 -0000 On 6/6/19 6:41 AM, David Mehler wrote: > 2. I'm needing each jail to log to the host machine. I'm wanting to do > this because I've got fail2ban going on the host and want to ban > addresses that are hitting on the jails. In the jail: _ add syslogd_enable="NO" to /etc/rc.conf; _ service syslogd stop. In the host: _ add "-l /usr/jails/{myjail}/var/run/log" to syslogd_flags in /etc/rc.conf (or whatever if you use other files); _ service syslogd restart. Standard security considerations apply. bye av. 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Guilmette wrote: > I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly > enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the > Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during > install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. Adding ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" to /etc/rc.conf is one way. Enabling ntpdate is another way. The installer gives us an opportunity to set the time and date, so maybe the installer should include a menu item for running ntpdate. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 15:16:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE1915B6608 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 15:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7463D70DD3 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 15:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x55IDpnv015480 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:13:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1559758431; bh=RQe2AZ17C7BxrKGFhMZr5Ub3O8weIRam2hsWYzvK47s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=WdSowcU8yF4CupGq5miVn0M5/GKzO0GIz2hGvDTbMZThTiHvhdEimmUi7MJcVIUbu Hg3eovVJhKpSOQMJS1FS6Vb77KbWW0Ph7nvRix/b/a+vIEB+mbH5QKNqbgF6FT2IIZ r0vsg6DdqDVQkOmiPZl9E98h52GG1cxsyZJuhOOlygW8q12EQjc6BKsk7RfSc9XSBn Dc++vu+QYq9m6o8iU0fRfkKnANUju086DCdB4gTPnco3Vl7AGHVpbQjmIFIFSdgr1U hReqb3cpAUsMDFN+wSYqAwaIjBmGzoXM29aEzu+OqrXgTvjt5OcjQ1cCauNOF2/j+V 5hWu1Rmp4cksg== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x55IDpLR015476 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:13:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:13:51 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery In-Reply-To: <51500.1559755693@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <51500.1559755693@segfault.tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 15:16:39 -0000 On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 10:28-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Did I just miss those ntpd death messages somehow? I don't use /dev/ttyvb much, so I let syslogd also write all messages to this device. E.g.: *.*;mark.* /dev/ttyvb -- Trond. 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Romania > > Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp > http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=monkey_rewards&aid=e78bd13d928ab6764080f70fc&afl=1 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 16:11:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A6415B8527 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C952736C5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id 22so543211wmg.2 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 09:11:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=COo6cJNu3UvrUXGbv6OSyqZfcLNpXJ10r6SNCMMFWmE=; b=TWkV5vxLIeg7YUEFOdk0tus2ucotjcNbiKFiMOjpsnsB/fd9EQvDC8cgjsgM4oVZnE L6ryN7rDnpeyJ9BCV4xkQZr+dQ00B015Q+L61SwdvMsG3dIYx6HjXwEULY2mU2VzgE// zr2ZosXXv2u1WZ+4pWBPdDKg3qYn/quvSvbowkniTBT6WY4q1FO0xxk4H6POXpXnaJpP +vnWEcIRqvVilQxlL25/DAEoskmWtcLPvbW58NqKdKM96zON9zbDCk7DjS64rTZlEqdD s6fE0sMwf9UoBD98ElYZRCciUguym5o2zv5etmpggAJOQY4Yln1SbjXFsqoob5C0J0Iq pLDA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWlx/nW0Cvp/T39bglMB3Cyz61MdjNiVf8QaBzLfABKacHZFUvv non84Gu8fYHH+K71DIeXoP8OjQgI X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz0ZiEY2t+eUK5ZFICUW6t6xw/lSTTl4bLZwiYDG2l+/O4vgs2LqIAkSKJMVG0o9aKksq/J0Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2182:: with SMTP id e2mr545893wme.55.1559837482769; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.217.168.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a62sm2182463wmf.19.2019.06.06.09.11.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 06 Jun 2019 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:11:20 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery Message-ID: <20190606171120.29f7fd85@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2C952736C5 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:11:25 -0000 On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >=20 > > I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly > > enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the > > Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during > > install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. =20 >=20 > Adding >=20 > ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES" >=20 > to /etc/rc.conf is one way.=20 Perhaps it should be the default.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 16:35:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA70415B8FFE for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E5FD74DD7 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4973BD714 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.212.184.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9508775B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/9508775B; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <52339.1559763722@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <1e1c3403-fa5e-b540-e7b5-5b88af234947@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:35:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52339.1559763722@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8E5FD74DD7 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:96.47.64.0/20, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:35:40 -0000 On 05/06/2019 20:42, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> Anyway, even if it seems to work now, I'd check if your time is based on localtime or >> GMT. It's recommended to use GMT, I never use localtime personally. > For me, I prefer local time. When I type "date" I don't really give a > flying fig what time it is in London. I'm in California. That's not actually the effect removing /etc/wall_cmos_clock has. Without /etc/wall_cmos_clock, the internal system clock is simply synchronized to the cmos clock at boot, and the cmos clock is synched back from the system clock at intervals when the system is running and on shutdown. The cmos clock is the small, fairly cheap but not astonishingly accurate clock that runs off the battery on your motherboard, even when your machine is completely unplugged from the power, while the system clock is the kernel's idea of the current time based on a rather more accurate reference frequency generated from a quartz crystal resonator -- and that depends on the system being up and running to function. Now, Unix-oid systems generally run their system clock in UTC. They then calculate the time-of-day you see displayed in your shell by applying the appropriate offset calculated from the timezone setting -- either derived from /etc/localtime or from setting TZ in your environment. Windows runs the system clock as the local wall clock time -- or at least, it used to. No idea if that's still the case or not. The advantage of the Unix way is that each different user, or even each different process, can easily run with a different timezone setting. The effect of /etc/wall_cmos_clock is to tell the kernel to apply the timezone offset when it either updates the cmos clock, or updates the system clock from it. Basically it's a hack to support dual-booting between Windows and FreeBSD, and if you never want to do that then your best choice is simply to keep cmos and system clocks synchronized on UTC so that there's no offset to calculate. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 16:47:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA6615B9334 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D02975276 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2941D83B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.212.184.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96FB875E for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/96FB875E; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: to jail or not to jail To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190603101917.GA76784@home.lan> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:47:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1D02975276 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.979,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:2610:1c1:1::/48, country:US]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:47:33 -0000 On 06/06/2019 05:41, David Mehler wrote: > 1. how do I divide the /64 ipv6 address so that each jail can have an > ipv6 address as well as an ipv4 address. Just assign IPv6 addresses in much the same way as you'ld assign IPv4 addresses. The syntax in /etc/rc.conf or /etc/jail.conf is very similar to the IPv4 case, and pretty clearly explained in the man pages. For traditional jails, you will need to assign addresses manually, but for vimage jails you should be able to use SLAAC. The hard part about assigning IPv6 addresses is that you have so many to choose from. There are many different schemes for IPv6 address assignment out there, but the one I like is just 'choose an address at random out of the /64 range.' I wrote a small perl script to do just that many moons ago: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/articles/hotchpotch/#rand-aaaa.pl Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 6 20:31:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5ED015BF61E for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olspookishmagus@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B76186EFE for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olspookishmagus@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E08D215BF61D; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C27315BF61C for ; 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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.903,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:31:51 -0000 On 6/6/19 10:15 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > Sorry for spamming the list... but this spam I couldn't resist. DON'T reply to SPAM emails. DON'T participate in SPAM threads. DON't play with spam. Please DO report it and, please DO train your infrastructure against it. And if you can't resist, then later (or way later) DON'T feel like you had been misjudged if you ended up blacklisted. Sophoklis From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 7 06:27:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF3A15C9B93 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 06:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C0F96339 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 06:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3992D15C9B90; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 06:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175FD15C9B8F for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 06:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out3-4.antispamcloud.com (out3-4.antispamcloud.com [185.201.18.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9398E96338 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 06:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from srv31.niagahoster.com ([153.92.8.106]) by mx62.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ7zJ-0009AU-L7; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:04:31 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mTJnEK5WPn5Y/MwFbyHvTUZnDT/Jw7Wqonphdl4QAEc=; b=S1Mc4hC9jtkKAw6wt6vVJ5dpz4 hHawGF61AV53PsnOekW/GIs/8zBBfWIScbSe6w0VtYVMhkVwGFOS5pi3r8FqvancZfxhaksMnoyTa W0LaEmuTh9rOWExIN0ytwsFyhv+2ea+MWVjNuPoouh0CpIYkzlR7v2qYTe9azTHHFdFC3HhtZAXQ0 v2pRxntkGu/LcQukOQDMyTc8XqV8Xqs1a5jA/dxcDbc+mYG3v3wi/RU+e+yJRYWA4mCsDVySCzt8V rUwEyVgeWooToWo6Z0id3UTtJM6zD+cNRGvt5u7fXYVzU1Uji//eRj90LZ4sIKU9qhEWKhQ48TBO/ LNY26GHw==; Received: from [114.125.118.59] (port=41267 helo=Ryzen1.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ7yT-0000H5-1L; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 13:03:43 +0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:03:35 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Sophoklis Goumas Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To those who are considering replying and/or playing along with spammers Message-ID: <20190607140335.1feff326.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-Spampanel-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-Spampanel-Username: niaga X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.15) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Mvzo4OR0dZXEDF/gcnlw0WF37iHSchYgKnNGmAxHYR+pSDasLI4SayDByyq9LIhVUZbR67CQ7/vm /hHDJU4RXkTNWdUk1Ol2OGx3IfrIJKyP9eGNFz9TW9u+Jt8z2T3KedFKpZCt1oq7rik3+nv8CE1m Nxpu8BtFBe1NkBsU4CLyY9uWxC/c+10BSk4Y/iesB6Ngrg4QU4EP4UaW8Ajoht6OF3YhWJFuSCLc pAe46FRxyJjbPiGrtKpcAmsAajDkg8CBO1Snvm6qXHQp7O9kdf0H+WXKoRCpgVDiX8HhEazm73rn 17OPh8rBrJyIdcg6AOly6qEWUuBwQYcY1kfCh2zMvVM/Sg4dIVoBHgMKAyJGxvFKMfx9XmFLWWX6 l5flhl4u+GU4yx96gmHbJAqZn94KLrG4DX8Ytkd7hS72T/yGNp8dXMR9x1Pj3Uiu/ZRsZcAiKiBU v5hQ3cAcj/cb5Kgux18SgkjQE1RDgqlo3I0LAao5RzCtd/nkTxNvxuZerjIfxK2tug+mEO2au1ST CVnhNXrZS1QTTBGlJEzGzGqRVYKU9W9tbmVXJBqdHHDmt1jatbnR93V6RoOmYhZzVWa3eafExNAx BZu8GoReyRNCfpRJiz3wiaf6Vld7d3Bh+BUHXGjp0J8FpT+J6AFTxjYe6NcN1gqUSLKMa0ztdhMo LH6TmAGXGFHhql8ZoqeByfHgBQMYUH7i4BmizhdOKjrLDJectHNUoD092GjfV00BS9ntDp1ko7br /dC1187gRK0rNF96MqE3PI/6O6rpcekBeesYDgIM1rkmRFMP2RalLAq+e5aCPolDsYPIeSCF4eQq rEptZtLyFkpz1pjIdCSmOeXwu9axkD7k9RG4KLtkFlla0dyVdcDcGQW67yT5qItS3jKnLRwnp0hy o+WUY/Uf9oDBqtClgM5jH/om1Q7ZvMCt1L+wYCiXZeDtnSHQ/CY2Y0Bi1cYTKrrPEaekaCZpD/LN RwnyyjltRdqITyfwBTL1+6vDOMemz/4I88NDoIIUGMGVSwpSKa6DYtVjNEWqhwppZZXD0a8gmA7r 0DtL628ueU5Q57PmqreKveEmMS+4ayUpOtEhdxekWDmK9g== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine10.antispamcloud.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9398E96338 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 06:27:50 -0000 Hi, just relax. I did not see dead bodies on the road caused by this. Erich On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:31:26 +0300 Sophoklis Goumas wrote: > On 6/6/19 10:15 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Sorry for spamming the list... but this spam I couldn't resist. > > DON'T reply to SPAM emails. > DON'T participate in SPAM threads. > DON't play with spam. > > Please DO report it and, > please DO train your infrastructure against it. > > And if you can't resist, then later (or way later) > DON'T feel like you had been misjudged if you ended up blacklisted. > > Sophoklis > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 7 08:01:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3761D15CB558 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-17.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-17.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE4E969F1E for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: qWiFajMVM1lmV_3tuECyOam1I2OzuqgRnIEuAXV697ZwUvxXvv7Pqjk5Q6vzkMQ 3xnVfkAlR8.PZRuIujhaqzhMLvMtrmIvAUjY.ulqM8dPBKprMbnivH.r113Frtlm9U0jb0EqAEmt zgR0GsFSPeudjKKQmYVNk9pnog8LYxQ_wcZJSQ8FXLDveheSk9q9jOvXVD4usIU1nZcizTnGJ6uE 7OrKKJInarBi4K7XgJxXgESIkQmT1b79hjPIzWtoxyRqDJrP4KPbcxWmQHtykqO3Uv._FFZIwjL5 9wcGtnQr2AgHLzbVD3quqRc5n6AKiWE8iIiPYXpv4JCRURFt574Ne_fksyfUJcOC9ygKCVs7d1Ff s1g2mXbiAewTHYXPeX.4WvGhQOuNIBYhLTH7R3UFlU55EIKt711WLuhB9zZfP0_Q.b8mn2neyCyh 8lFiOb2qvIGjy1_La8O2brbbVfxCZ6ff0aC81t7MSpoYwi6.5t0vDQV3a25VBMTvwEe1FwmKrppE 12ewPQfWLUqN83BXF0gNh7EMu98mFbARDNzGhM2tFH9I3Qm_.sgbRciuG61.iyvN5utr1ayJ8Xqp n33RXtwXXXfGsbSAICByYj3MkOR9VoN2VhBsdxd.oWeBg31.qBBgai.TUGk73GId8hBFQZmAE6pH LlWTEQSB8_00uBDFf4_F4kIiG3B.pbakcKC7FeKgU9T4i6B9Co1GUn4AvVq3NuK5_fhmYWHGg5rm fIwc6o89OZJFAVrj86YK2_SzT3yHR.VntdRr5oXmdyul8.XfSRwDsWRrZpJaN45xQ41PPR1D6TsA QZw9BVzqjxy5sE6vi8DuNUgtmD2NQwSOTkJs.PP.0xABiMqoP9CPs6ly4.wV16v5xOxUUijKlP1T k_lcncOIrIPSZ7PC37CELUYexAUDY8oCsxdtaaU8ic4MDP03.S4gA4A80xt9cBa7RZFxrylFW_WN YSoOObKISYoDpDTLW8JWFRO7NizEorhB8TQJiu3qJROoTF5sa3CvaS_elZuvqjX9Z3s3Gw9YytNH gqrVRWtSlMXVI4gApIT_esG7nZJOfl4c7QWDdFkA3B7pD7DKneu3cuglrfucLnjhke.1GqFXa4W4 _I7vvd.tugdiJXlDUAS1U.gJRnn10GBvwy_moiisUCaCeuF4_o0sz8wyaBGt50tZX73_AR9syaaB esoPnIhFNX45n7tAMDV0uzzfvdHIRunpeHERzXIs- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:00:57 +0000 Received: from x2f39032.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([2.243.144.50]) by smtp429.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 58212a3d67c2b90ede62476fcfcc0fbd for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 07:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:50:49 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To those who are considering replying and/or playing along with spammers Message-ID: <20190607095049.428bff83@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190607140335.1feff326.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20190607140335.1feff326.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AE4E969F1E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:01:05 -0000 On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:03:35 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >I did not see dead bodies on the road caused by this. Oh, my God! They killed Kenny! You bastards! 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[26.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:57:11 -0000 On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, at 18:14, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) > Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >=20 > > > I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd proper= ly > > > enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to t= he > > > Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during= > > > install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. =20 > >=20 > > Adding > >=20 > > ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES" > >=20 > > to /etc/rc.conf is one way.=20 >=20 > Perhaps it should be the default.=20 It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late for 11.3R. https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dntpdate mentions: DESCRIPTION Note: The functionality o this program is now available in the ntpd= (8) program. See the -q command line option in the ntpd(8) page. Afte= r a suitable period of mourning, the ntpdate utility is to be retired f= rom this distribution. Perhaps a revision that uses ntpd_flags would be better? --panicgate [2]: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dntpd [1]: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&revision=3Dr326095 Author: manu Date: Wed Nov 22 15:27:47 2017 +0000 bsdinstall: Add ntpdate option When you install a computer for the first time, the date in the CMOS= sometimes not accurate and you need to ntpdate as ntpd will fail a the time di= fference is too big. Add an option in bsdinstall to enable ntpdate that will do that for = us. Reviewed by: allanjude Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D13149 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 7 14:04:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE20215ADD38 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 645BF73B61 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A7D1037A; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:04:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: Dave Cottlehuber , freebsd-questions References: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20190606171120.29f7fd85@gumby.homeunix.com> <37c862b6-f623-4210-9c77-c404e31f4808@www.fastmail.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <2ac65d8d-731e-45f6-18ba-c215704b32d9@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:04:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37c862b6-f623-4210-9c77-c404e31f4808@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 645BF73B61 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.mythic-beasts.com,mx2.mythic-beasts.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.963,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.50)[ip: (-7.57), ipnet: 217.155.0.0/16(-3.78), asn: 13037(-1.04), country: GB(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 14:04:55 -0000 On 07/06/2019 09:57, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, at 18:14, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) >> Trond EndrestÞl wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>> >>>> I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly >>>> enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the >>>> Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during >>>> install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. >>> >>> Adding >>> >>> ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" >>> >>> to /etc/rc.conf is one way. >> >> Perhaps it should be the default. > > It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late > for 11.3R. > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ntpdate mentions: > > DESCRIPTION > Note: The functionality o this program is now available in the ntpd(8) > program. See the -q command line option in the ntpd(8) page. After a > suitable period of mourning, the ntpdate utility is to be retired from > this distribution. > > Perhaps a revision that uses ntpd_flags would be better? There is one advantage to using ntpdate_enable="YES" rather than ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" and that's the fact that ntpdate is blocking. When the rc script finishes you know the clock is correct, whereas with ntpd_sync_on_start the time step can be some time after the script has returned. If you run a daemon like dovecot that objects to time going backwards (and dies) that can be a problem. > --panicgate > > [2]: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ntpd > [1]: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=r326095 > > Author: manu > Date: Wed Nov 22 15:27:47 2017 +0000 > > bsdinstall: Add ntpdate option > > When you install a computer for the first time, the date in the CMOS sometimes > not accurate and you need to ntpdate as ntpd will fail a the time difference > is too big. > Add an option in bsdinstall to enable ntpdate that will do that for us. > > Reviewed by: allanjude > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D13149 > -- What do we want? A time machine! When do we want it? Errm ... 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Guilmette wrote: >>>> >>>>> I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd properly >>>>> enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, hunbly, to the >>>>> Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, once enabled during >>>>> install, just worked, you know, right outta the box. >>>> >>>> Adding >>>> >>>> ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" >>>> >>>> to /etc/rc.conf is one way. >>> >>> Perhaps it should be the default. >> >> It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late >> for 11.3R. >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ntpdate mentions: >> >> DESCRIPTION >> Note: The functionality o this program is now available in the ntpd(8) >> program. See the -q command line option in the ntpd(8) page. After a >> suitable period of mourning, the ntpdate utility is to be retired from >> this distribution. >> >> Perhaps a revision that uses ntpd_flags would be better? > > There is one advantage to using ntpdate_enable="YES" rather than > ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" and that's the fact that ntpdate is blocking. > When the rc script finishes you know the clock is correct, whereas with > ntpd_sync_on_start the time step can be some time after the script has > returned. If you run a daemon like dovecot that objects to time going > backwards (and dies) that can be a problem. Yes, this is a very big advantage - it can take a *very* long time for ntpd to get the clock correct, with or without the -g option a.k.a. ntpd_sync_on_start, and there is no straightforward way to find out when it has happened. But in fact the reference implementation folks do not suggest that 'ntpd -g' can be a replacement for ntpdate - as you can see in the ntpdate man page excerpt above, it points to the *-q* option to ntpd. This option is not something you can put in ntpd_flags though, see the ntpd man page - i.e. the idea is that you run 'ntpd -q', which is blocking, and "pretty fast", instead of ntpdate, and when it completes you start the ntpd daemon with whatever *other* flags you want (-g can still make sense there, in case the 'ntpd -q' failed somehow). However ntpdate is still typically significantly faster than 'ntpd -q', and in case ntpdate ever gets removed from the reference distribution (it's still present in the latest version of their development branch), I would actually hope that FreeBSD retains it and continues to make it available as an rc.conf option. --Per >> --panicgate >> >> [2]: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ntpd >> [1]: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=r326095 >> >> Author: manu >> Date: Wed Nov 22 15:27:47 2017 +0000 >> >> bsdinstall: Add ntpdate option >> >> When you install a computer for the first time, the date in the CMOS sometimes >> not accurate and you need to ntpdate as ntpd will fail a the time difference >> is too big. >> Add an option in bsdinstall to enable ntpdate that will do that for us. >> >> Reviewed by: allanjude >> Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D13149 >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 7 15:36:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0257215AFF88 for ; 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:36:38 -0000 On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 10:57:01 +0200 Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, at 18:14, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) > > Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: > > =20 > > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > > =20 > > > > I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd > > > > properly enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, > > > > hunbly, to the Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, > > > > once enabled during install, just worked, you know, right outta > > > > the box. =20 > > >=20 > > > Adding > > >=20 > > > ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES" > > >=20 > > > to /etc/rc.conf is one way. =20 > >=20 > > Perhaps it should be the default. =20 >=20 > It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late > for 11.3R. That affects the istaller, but it's still off in defaults/rc.conf. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 7 15:48:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC2E15B03D4 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from colo1.denninger.net (colo1.denninger.net [104.236.120.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50DA17766B for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from denninger.net (ip68-1-57-197.pn.at.cox.net [68.1.57.197]) by colo1.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ED621109D for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.21.139] (24-180-102-120.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com [24.180.102.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21B0010A464 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 10:47:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20190606171120.29f7fd85@gumby.homeunix.com> <37c862b6-f623-4210-9c77-c404e31f4808@www.fastmail.com> <20190607163631.461dc2b1@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Karl Denninger Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 10:47:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190607163631.461dc2b1@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms050806000105020403040609" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 50DA17766B X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[px.denninger.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.877,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.61)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 104.236.64.0/18(-4.27), asn: 14061(1.13), country: US(-0.06)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:104.236.64.0/18, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[197.57.1.68.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[denninger.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:48:31 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050806000105020403040609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/7/2019 10:36 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 10:57:01 +0200 > Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, at 18:14, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) >>> Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: >>> =20 >>>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd >>>>> properly enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, >>>>> hunbly, to the Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, >>>>> once enabled during install, just worked, you know, right outta >>>>> the box. >>>> Adding >>>> >>>> ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES" >>>> >>>> to /etc/rc.conf is one way. >>> Perhaps it should be the default. >> It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late >> for 11.3R. > That affects the istaller, but it's still off in defaults/rc.conf. Losing a way to synchronously (with a reasonable timeout) set the time=20 on boot is IMHO a nasty reversion and will bite people hard. 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(envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20190606171120.29f7fd85@gumby.homeunix.com> <37c862b6-f623-4210-9c77-c404e31f4808@www.fastmail.com> <20190607163631.461dc2b1@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <23d69427-948a-b39e-9864-4bbf097b1a53@hedeland.org> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:59:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D1E518F9C8 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outbound.mailhop.org header.s=dkim-high header.b=YbkFm7KE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.37 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; 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questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 23:59:21 -0000 On 2019-06-07 17:47, Karl Denninger wrote: > > On 6/7/2019 10:36 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 10:57:01 +0200 >> Dave Cottlehuber wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, at 18:14, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) >>>> Trond Endrestøl wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>>>>> I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd >>>>>> properly enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, >>>>>> hunbly, to the Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, >>>>>> once enabled during install, just worked, you know, right outta >>>>>> the box. >>>>> Adding >>>>> >>>>> ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" >>>>> >>>>> to /etc/rc.conf is one way. >>>> Perhaps it should be the default. >>> It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late >>> for 11.3R. >> That affects the istaller, but it's still off in defaults/rc.conf. The installer obviously creates the initial /etc/rc.conf, and AFAIU, the change referenced earlier in the thread provides an option for the installer to add 'ntpdate_enable="YES"' (*not* 'ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"') to that rc.conf. Seems 100% good to me. The default for both parameters remains "NO" in defaults/rc.conf AFAIK, which is as it should be IMHO - unconditionally subjecting all users to inverted default values in defaults/rc.conf without an *extremely* strong motivation is not the FreeBSD way, I think. > Losing a way to synchronously (with a reasonable timeout) set the time on boot is IMHO a nasty reversion and will bite people hard. There are plenty of things that react VERY poorly to the time going > backward; Dovecot is one of the more-popular ones (it EXITS if that happens!) so this sort of change IMHO needs careful consideration or a cold reboot of a server is likely to lead to services that do > not come back up. While I agree 100% with what you say here, I don't understand what you are referring to - I am not aware of anyone suggesting or any change amounting to "Losing a way ...". --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 8 00:25:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A109315BB172 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 00:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E471D69A06 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 00:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2A8301FD for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:25:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OOfcezifvHyK for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 36A56301F2 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: <57d278f4ca2da5d8a515b2eb3766cd7b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:25:06 -0400 Subject: DNSSEC question From: "James B. 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We have run into a problem with a couple of our domains that use DNSSEC. Specifically we have started to see this error when loading those zones: 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (unsigned): loaded serial 2019070706 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 dns_master_load: file format mismatch (not raw) 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (signed): loading from master file /usr/local/etc/namedb/master/harte-lyne.ca.hosts.signed failed: not implemented 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (signed): not loaded due to errors. I have searched for a solution to this for hours and the only solution that I found for this specific error is to add the clause: masterfile-format text; to the zone declaration block in named.conf. However, this changes nothing. The error persists. What is it about the hosts.signed file that BIND complaining about? I need to get this fixed but I am out of ideas as to what is really wrong. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/06/2019 01:25, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > We are running a DNS master using the BIND-9.11 pkg for FreeBDS-12.0p5.= >=20 > We have run into a problem with a couple of our domains that use > DNSSEC. Specifically we have started to see this error when loading > those zones: >=20 > 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (unsigned): > loaded serial 2019070706 > 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 dns_master_load: file format mismatch (not raw= ) > 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (signed): > loading from master file > /usr/local/etc/namedb/master/harte-lyne.ca.hosts.signed failed: not > implemented > 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (signed): not > loaded due to errors. >=20 > I have searched for a solution to this for hours and the only solution > that I found for this specific error is to add the clause: >=20 > masterfile-format text; >=20 > to the zone declaration block in named.conf. However, this changes > nothing. The error persists. >=20 > What is it about the hosts.signed file that BIND complaining about? >=20 > I need to get this fixed but I am out of ideas as to what is really > wrong. >=20 Hmmm... the 'file format mismatch' error message may be a bit of a red herring. Bind is working fine for me with DNSSEC enabled, text format files and nothing in the config declaring what the zone file format is. The one thing that leaps out at me from your log extract is that you seem to be loading both an unsigned copy of the harte-lyne.ca zone: > 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (unsigned): > loaded serial 2019070706 and then a signed copy: > 07-Jun-2019 19:58:56.342 zone harte-lyne.ca/IN/public (signed): > loading from master file Does named-checkzone(8) (or named-compilezone(8)) give you any clues? Also, be careful of any journal files named creates -- if you have any of the automatic zone maintenance functionality of bind enabled or you are using dynamic updating at all, then you should 'rndc freeze zonename' the zone before replacing the zone file, and then 'rndc thaw zonename' afterwards. 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This has been no problem in the past (with an old laptop and a VGA->Video converter called "Creative TVCoder External"). Even though I get a signal on a video screen (a b/w TV with a video input), the transmitter result is garbled. My assumtion, also judging from the slightly distorted control signal on the TV, is that there's something wrong with the VGA signal, and probably something "too high" because of too "modern" devices or settings. I could easily get X to output 640x480, which is what the converter will happily accept and which is fully sufficient for my needs. However, according to xvidtune, I have a horizontal sync of 31.47 kHz and a vertical sync of 59.94 Hz. What is the recommended way to control those values for X? Let's say, I want to tune down vsync to 60? I think I need to "reduce signal quality" in order to get the transmitter (or our local relay's digital enconder?) to accept my signal. The retransmitted signal is all "out of sync", while normal camera input to the transmitter is correctly retransmitted by the relay (as expected). Dealing with modelines has been standard knowledge decades ago, but during all the years I forgot so many things... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...