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I did a zfs send | zfs recv dance earlier this year, and I swear that one of the source pools had permission sets in them. No biggie, it was easy to recreate and assign the permission sets to their respective filesystems. -- Trond. 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[209.85.210.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r67sm34903040oie.35.2019.08.11.07.04.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Aug 2019 07:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f52.google.com with SMTP id q20so149950541otl.0; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 07:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5911:: with SMTP id t17mr24367586oth.159.1565532247922; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 07:04:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:03:55 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: current 350855 build error / intel hd 5500 / intel wifi 7265 / sierra em7305 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46611R2LG1z3ykl X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=SIjGZ5Oy; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::332) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.97)[ip: (-9.42), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.98), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:04:12 -0000 Hello world :-) I have switched to a Panasonic Toughbook CF-MX4 (i5-5300U based), which has problematic: 1. Intel HD 5500 GPU. Cannot see screen (DRM issue?). 2. Intel WiFi 7265. Load format error. 3. Sierra Wireless EM7305. Not recognised by U3G. None of them seem to work out of the box in 12.0-RELEASE-p9.. does anyone has any good experience with above hardware components? 1. Needs new DRM driver that does not build outside CURRENT. 2. Probably will work in CURRENT too? 3. Looks like VID/PID needs to be added to U3G module. On this machine I cannot successfully make buildkernel (KERNCONF=GENERIC), details below. Another question is how to build a package with kernel + modules on a separate more powerful machine in order to simply copy them to a target machine? root@0xCFMX4:/usr/src # uname -a FreeBSD 0xCFMX4 12.0-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p9 GENERIC amd64 root@0xCFMX4:/usr/src # svnlite info Path: . Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src URL: https://svn.freebsd.org/base/head Relative URL: ^/head Repository Root: https://svn.freebsd.org/base Repository UUID: ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f Revision: 350856 Node Kind: directory Schedule: normal Last Changed Author: delphij Last Changed Rev: 350855 Last Changed Date: 2019-08-11 08:26:03 +0200 (Sun, 11 Aug 2019) root@0xCFMX4:/usr/src # make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC (..) cc -target x86_64-unknown-freebsd13.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp -B/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/bin -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -g -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ck/include -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer -MD -MF. depend.ptrace_machdep.o -MTptrace_machdep.o -fdebug-prefix-map=./machine=/usr/src/sys/amd64/include -fdebug-prefix-map=./x86=/usr/src/sys/x86/include -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone -mno-mmx -m 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-DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mno-om it-leaf-frame-pointer -MD -MF.depend.sigtramp.o -MTsigtramp.o -fdebug-prefix-map=./machine=/usr/src/sys/amd64/include -fdebug-prefix-map=./x86=/usr/src/sys/x86/include -mcmodel=kernel -mno-r ed-zone -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -fwrapv -fstack-protector -gdwarf-2 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissi ng-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -D__printf__=__freebsd_kprintf__ -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-unknown-pragmas -Wno-error-tautologi cal-compare -Wno-error-empty-body -Wno-error-parentheses-equality -Wno-error-unused-function -Wno-error-pointer-sign -Wno-error-shift-negative-value -Wno-address-of-packed-member -Wno-format- zero-length -mno-aes -mno-avx -std=iso9899:1999 -Werror /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/sigtramp.S ctfconvert -L VERSION -g sigtramp.o cc -target 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-Wno-error-parentheses-equality -Wno-error-unused-function -Wno-error-pointer-sign -Wno-error-shift-negative-value -Wno-address-of-packed-member -Wno-format-ze ro-length -mno-aes -mno-avx -std=iso9899:1999 -Werror /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S:1817:2: error: instruction requires: AVX-512 ISA vmovdqa64 %zmm0, %gs:0x340 ^ /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S:1818:2: error: instruction requires: AVX-512 ISA vpxord %zmm0, %zmm0, %zmm0 ^ /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S:1821:2: error: instruction requires: AVX-512 DQ ISA vorpd (%rdx), %zmm0, %zmm0 ^ /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S:1822:2: error: instruction requires: AVX-512 DQ ISA vorpd (%rdx), %zmm0, %zmm0 ^ /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S:1834:2: error: instruction requires: AVX-512 ISA vmovdqa64 %gs:0x340, %zmm0 ^ *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src Any hints appreciated :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 14:51:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE7CBA8B1 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46623b6QgMz41nB for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.21.22]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MJmX3-1hhl8x2KCX-00K6YY; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:51:02 +0200 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:51:09 -0000 On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:00:46 -0500, Clay Daniels Jr. wrote: > Good info there. Just remember that the "\" backslash character is an > escape character. It's also possible to use '!11' (single quotes) to keep the shell from trying to expand the ! character (history retrieval). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[209.85.210.47]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c15sm700772otf.35.2019.08.11.22.05.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id j7so9783599ota.9; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:05:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5911:: with SMTP id t17mr26489583oth.159.1565586304059; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:05:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:04:51 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: current 350855 build error / intel hd 5500 / intel wifi 7265 / sierra em7305 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466P0z3zN1z3Ktb X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=ZnMyx1S3; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::332) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.97)[ip: (-9.43), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.97), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:05:08 -0000 On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 4:03 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I have switched to a Panasonic Toughbook CF-MX4 (i5-5300U based), > which has problematic: > 1. Intel HD 5500 GPU. Cannot see screen (DRM issue?). > 2. Intel WiFi 7265. Load format error. > 3. Sierra Wireless EM7305. Not recognised by U3G. > > None of them seem to work out of the box in 12.0-RELEASE-p9.. does > anyone has any good experience with above hardware components? > > 1. Needs new DRM driver that does not build outside CURRENT. > 2. Probably will work in CURRENT too? > 3. Looks like VID/PID needs to be added to U3G module. So far so good, it took some time, I managed to build CURRENT kernel after the buildworld in the first place :-) 1. GPU DRM CURRENT MADE MY INTEL HD 5500 WORKING THANK YOU! :-) 2. WiFi Intel 7265 needs both if_iwm and iwm7265fw modules, it works :-) 3. Will play with U3G in order to make Sierra EM7305 LTE working.. hope it wont need any firmware binary blobs.. The last question - are there any PKG package repositories for 13-CURRENT? It takes ages on my laptop to build everything from scratch (~9h for buildworld).. or I am left with PODRIERE? 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So you propose typing 4 characters rather than three? Heathen. In unix systems, brevity is the king. :-) On 12/08/2019 12:51 am, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:00:46 -0500, Clay Daniels Jr. wrote: >> Good info there. Just remember that the "\" backslash character is an >> escape character. > It's also possible to use '!11' (single quotes) to keep the > shell from trying to expand the ! character (history retrieval). > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 05:43:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15849CE6F9 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:43:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x62d.google.com (mail-pl1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466Ps06nX6z3MdS for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pl1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id z3so618748pln.6 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:43:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=M/GsU8X4qzf8Ab4OLObgwD1QeQp8hjvVvGZGpgPHDAw=; b=JBMr7tkajquRhCHl02olWUty38FstATMvpm1SZRVD4MAtZixU3sFkVYLX5hWQx0LlX UnTIxYLvgYgvulGYgpt8dQ7wqJSIjsVbbMjMLq1pCwrxf4c9e2htF+IPnaYv8VS9nD4q +WXtNsU+Bquv7n4IZ/botwzgqobVL0HQxHAajHsgRdHFPxo6PocCcUxSdHJY4ExOl96h VUyXMkm2jDPkh270IN+fN1Ctq2bbryc68T1MP+S9hF0xX7eBE//1hJaF/QxWXNlWISGe 2Cl8SalhYzzVE3bwNTlQs1YEDgaZY7j1pSqWromlvUxylcKyxFaqycdTD4jxFEe3fQ1M xXlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=M/GsU8X4qzf8Ab4OLObgwD1QeQp8hjvVvGZGpgPHDAw=; b=hZjpecdokBz9nlsAACP76m9cgqktdOiGNnisE/xaOXLinQ0yXDDsMhgPLkJ8PFb4Dn c2yaYNZLCN2tFNX26fFbvZl2QxcDQfuhErlH+BHQsjCJDCwGgymmvBbmrvlzyIxH4uIG CXQswto2JfGwg1JPyKmArhqEFYocrkHooDcoEKxPl08ze6EgQaH19VT/E3ct1th6C9Y7 aRubvvwjwVW7xXB/AyX4y0V3LXXeqbbk4v3/LwlisQYSi1NoGbi1Ji+EjcLOH0hzJt+O 06hNLnRMFHmOV91wF6hO3+u4lBj1gHBtThoSCntII04EkVs6bGeaVrTfxqOZIZqKgxTa EFXg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUixfXnY4A/83v6Y1Z2q5bQQ8mD45q/z7o5/8qHUClWfjcPQ88Z VLjqyArMljmRBMr2exmNj7y8hMdBehA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwSW0I7pHB35utaN5A8eZZdk3TZN2a9jOjhq8k/HDXVKW8Zh0GcRAK9g7nZ/uX4TdqGmq0HYA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:740a:: with SMTP id g10mr31862664pll.82.1565588595242; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (C-59-101-167-216.mel.connect.net.au. [59.101.167.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p8sm1048125pfq.129.2019.08.11.22.43.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: USB stick for msdosfs To: Polytropon , "Clay Daniels Jr." Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190810083139.GA3606@c720-r342378> <0ce32b01-8fd1-211b-5ef4-43ffa2b843cc@gmail.com> <20190811165101.7b2037de.freebsd@edvax.de> From: MJ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:42:34 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190811165101.7b2037de.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466Ps06nX6z3MdS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=JBMr7tka; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mafsys1234@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mafsys1234@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[216.167.101.59.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.78), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.97), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:43:18 -0000 Oops 5 v 4. Maths.... Proposition remains the same, less is better. On 12/08/2019 12:51 am, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:00:46 -0500, Clay Daniels Jr. wrote: >> Good info there. 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So you propose typing 4 characters rather than three? Heathen. >=20 > In unix systems, brevity is the king. >=20 > :-) Depends on your language and keyboard layout. On a german keyboard, for a \, you need Alt Gr + =DF?\, but ' is more convenient: Shift + #'. Keep your fingers healthy. ;-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I want a freebsd machine acting as a router and PPPoE client to obtain its ipv6 /64 from my ISP and dole out and route ipv6 addresses from my ipv6 /48 (also provided by/routed by my ISP). Does FreeBSD-12.0-R need anything from the pkg/ports collection to accompli= sh this end point or is everything required in base? Is there anything within pkg/ports specifically for ipv6 that might be desirable to have? The machine will also be routing for ipv4, but these IPs are static. There will need to be a mix of static ipv6 (and dynamic I guess). The other machi= nes on the DMZ will be dual-stack. These will definitely need "static" ipv6=20 addresses as they'll eventually have external AAAA records in DNS. thanks, --=20 J. --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl1RgugACgkQs8o7QhFz NAWtsg/+NF3AGZBiSWgwb+dIUqLBNgCIp7iYVlkh00aebq1okNxF+e0vE7eWZWKQ cCYXrCt4e/GnmuXiUdm+RN7Hrz7UIYmcVyDgV56tl+JTLnPLyL0H66MAzQxV0Fk1 6fI8yxeBMFR0kQ+49eBZhztceHN//KIRtlDJRdZVJNg0mm88FN6DvGR1xCCzXvfN 9K0WrTibx9+q1dBiaxoqEqX9S0StJZb0Yt0qVss33KZfSMhm5tjxoVX5Kqs4zwFi /V2Yzuej3JSfqtVscwMS9dlpwSoNd+5ZVPIN1N9FfCFG9X2pAyxwi5TfsVxWqphf maZEJBfOPDhaWOdav2wXErE88sDTT8O03bocfJDccO3M27EuDNWpytIdV9EM5sef fgD6oyqDFxglBViGqasXBxQ8xnWv61DZdm2NBUqxHmlxU38Ftbl30BzY7uX+MLs3 46voRaskiZ6fTZfDMITyAEV6/ZS1kdSaMaXWhD35QTaLmdN3tbSHCUIdPEWRCdVw mRqiRDHrzJB7MFMwYprZGiRqfazGJiHUKlL5zgkOIQ0/Vg83OdDla5tdBBr0akDH hcgGnJlv7I9QKl7di6Se5qpuZXgfC7SoHHvDmIrHVKessgB7PYOZ/+8UbkQTWiUd llmwXeHDiEEdkLAwv2QVUSaOC+PrwCtZz6VpmqAP7D2iakcNALA= =hciD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 15:38:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546D8B6EC6 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from mail.g4yg.de (mail.g4yg.de [85.16.78.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466g3H1gs0z4VBt for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from hw.v.h.gc-24.de ([192.168.220.17]) by mail.g4yg.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxCOQ-0004Di-Tt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:37:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:37:54 +0200 From: hw To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Firefox or what? Message-Id: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466g3H1gs0z4VBt X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hw@gc-24.de has no SPF policy when checking 85.16.78.202) smtp.mailfrom=hw@gc-24.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gc-24.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.986,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.86)[0.864,0]; IP_SCORE(0.50)[asn: 9145(2.53), country: DE(-0.01)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.972,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9145, ipnet:85.16.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:38:04 -0000 Hi, does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with kill -9. If Firefox is incompatible with FreeBSD, what's the alternative? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 15:48:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07F4B72D0 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466gGv52Jjz4VrN for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565624888; x=1568216888; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=O+5St5Wc/RWkw7ThoHa28UGQqEBgEYrYnJQJQRA4dNE=; b=mcBYftJNNQ3qrO7+nuBNoX+uxZlungvFCtDt4VivMFZXJGP5w0fiBTqUVijTwOyCM9mJ4XFHDI4w0ZnVIn/BoJ5wZLAPkWnsfWQbryIngQ8DWfJymduxv7o8wsC9Kn7KUYPMZiLH0Sjm/ck4jd+PIPps6lZ5YBl16XlpNKpkp8Y= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjcwMDAwMDI3NzU3YmEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:48:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:48:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hxCYC-000OGd-JE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:48:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:48:00 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-Id: <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466gGv52Jjz4VrN X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=mcBYftJN; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.831,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-0.52), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.22), asn: 7381(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:48:08 -0000 On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:37:54 +0200 hw wrote: > Hi, > > does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg > actually work? Yes I've been using Firefox on FreeBSD for a very long time now, always installed from packages. Currently I'm running Firefox 68.01 on FreeBSD 12 with no problems at all. > Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to > remember its settings, None of this. > to not show up at all when starting it other > than in the process list, Not sure what this means, I usually start it from a small script in .wmx (that's just how my window manager works) that just runs /usr/local/bin/firefox. Just typing firefox at a command prompt also works fine. > and it usually can't be killed even with > kill -9. Never seen that, and my home directory is NFS mounted. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 15:54:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27053B77C8 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:54:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466gQK0hfKz4WWw for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x7CFsRFa065505 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:54:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Firefox or what? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <07ac40e0-ee37-8965-a65a-d4edb1ef8bbb@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:54:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466gQK0hfKz4WWw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.52)[ip: (-5.11), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-2.56), asn: 30722(0.06), country: IT(0.03)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:54:34 -0000 On 8/12/19 5:37 PM, hw wrote: > Hi, > > does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg > actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to > remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other > than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with > kill -9. I'm using firefox-esr on 11.2/amd64 and I don't have so many problems (although it sometimes hangs and I've incurred in a couple of bugs). What FreeBSD version are you using? Did you read pkg message? Other details on your system? > what's the alternative? Now, that's a good point; so far my dislike of FireFox is constantly growing, by I failed to find an alternative. What I tried: _ Chromium: while I just don't like it in general (and I don't like FireFox more and more mimicking it), it's the OmniBar which make me avoid it at all costs; _ PaleMoon: more or less worked (altough some sites refuse it), but it's now gone like SeaMonkey; _ Falkon: seems quite light; unfortunately it hangs much more frequently than FireFox (I'll try again after the upgrade to 11.3). If someone comes up with other options I might be glad to try them :) bye & Thanks av. 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Message-ID: <20190812160212.GB13685@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ftEhullJWpWg/VHq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466gbD65bLz4X21 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=EznCnpaw; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=U9dZuNZC; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.28:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.47)[ip: (-9.81), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.82), asn: 11403(-2.68), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[28.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:02:17 -0000 --ftEhullJWpWg/VHq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 05:37:54PM +0200, hw wrote: >Hi, > >does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg >actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to >remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other >than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with >kill -9. > >If Firefox is incompatible with FreeBSD, what's the alternative? The version I'm using is 68.0.1 and freebsd is 12-stable r350717 and I have= no firefox issues. I'm using pkg but I build my own packages with poudriere-devel. Need more information from you regarding the issue before even guessing what might be wrong. What version of firefox is installed? if installed from packages, what does pkg info | grep firefox say? What freebsd version? Anything in /var/log/messages that might indicate a firefox problem? What's the spec of the machine? Saying all that, have a look at the last suggestion (dated 2019-08-03 14:48= :49 UTC) on this thread it might be useful: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D228855#c11=20 --=20 J. --ftEhullJWpWg/VHq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl1RjXsACgkQs8o7QhFz NAWGqBAAgFA2+uNHD1yJ/caAP6wXK5ebC+95cdehUrMRToIcKEdSequluIeIQZpn zSuE2FTbxu3tqDleCQlYQrlqaNjjz0UVi2QbNJIGlFi0QUpE2towYZQjXceG2ZpS B7QIY3D1SVEsRw0JQqAGgZQqOhL+JmiX3Vx4mNCHFmlBU188oH/ZZFqGd0+ugdvZ Uo72KUwmbUZ3646G2nji5+BvY1VselsKSUpd2O2Bp4vTQdRekgj1TYt66SJF/9RI OlMHCXk63Dn/GyijIKBqHRwsIW0VwvVLw7oKbUWqiNqme3PBZpkmo9bKyttamcDO md4C1jVDW9Zgr41zxW+G4bpofJ0Tw6hMRYzGAk9rncDgL7RBoCvtTK24FHqfNuWq gmir3M5dQHbK/VHnl3EndE04nJ0F2tqYJFawID0JS552mFz7m3kt758xo33S4W5M g0ST0CI5JHq7xCCXKL6Ym3Ka29SlDcVwDCfz7/kxp9qKNyi8sNxgpB21YvL7iIxN 9SgnnqLtrWqrH40RAoRcsuXOE8Mbn6xgVXck/lC0t7BtjeUOTsW53WE6gNn9T2en XpZKgjuJnsvffi072dvGBCNTopynY7U014mUqBIPXgRZq6toKl7XJE8BaRbPaVi7 2LFAs89MqsT98sO35x5MdbFKcmz0nLYKEA7al5hIfIrGPRtKsaY= =dqt3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ftEhullJWpWg/VHq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 16:21:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66998B8513 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466h161XnWz4Xx6 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.107.88]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MlNYj-1ii8jL04RJ-00lqHR; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:21:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:21:09 +0200 From: Polytropon To: hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to > remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other > than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with > kill -9. I have a FreeBSD 12.0-p7/i386 installation running Firefox 68.0, and I don't have any problems. I even tried "modern" web pages, and even though Firefox sometimes seems to run a bit too slow, no crashes or freezes. But what you're describing rings a bell. Just to make sure you're not suffering from an inconsistent file system, boot your system in single-user mode and perform a forced full fsck on all filesystems, especially those carrying /usr/local and /home. Make sure you have the following setting in /etc/rc.conf: background_fsck="NO" Inconsistent file system can definitely cause the kind of problem you're seeing, so make sure it's not the case. NB: Does only apply to UFS. ;-) > If Firefox is incompatible with FreeBSD, what's the alternative? It isn't. Things that do not build or run on FreeBSD are either marked "BROKEN", or aren't part of the ports collection. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 19:37:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4334CBE810 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (yggdrasil.evilham.com [46.19.33.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466mN43VtMz3MLZ for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (unknown [IPv6:2a0a:e5c1:121:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by yggdrasil.evilham.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 466m9S40D7z3wsm; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:28:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Evilham To: hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> In-reply-to: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:28:41 +0200 Message-ID: <16d0277d-e798-4cb1-9062-a7c450e71b1a@yggdrasil.evilham.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466mN43VtMz3MLZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=evilham.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of contact@evilham.com designates 46.19.33.155 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=contact@evilham.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.71)[asn: 196752(-3.58), country: NL(0.01)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.930,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[evilham.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:196752, ipnet:46.19.32.0/21, country:NL]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:37:57 -0000 On dl., ag. 12 2019, hw@gc-24.de wrote: > Hi, > > does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg > actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable > to > remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it > other > than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even > with > kill -9. > > If Firefox is incompatible with FreeBSD, what's the alternative? Confirming what others said: Firefox works just fine at least in 12-RELEASE and 13-CURRENT. Cherry on top of the pie: I even managed to recompile it in poudriere with sndio support (and no alsa / pulseaudio) and even like that it works beautifully :-). -- Evilham From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DC2C07B0 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5301::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466n6S1jF0z3yHF for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1565640669; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=YrUDEs68NQK9qUF7rW79rKKY3Oq1NYT5AfqFTvpQ+8c=; b=pGvoosCA+thspv1L9MOJRf7Pp4cs0BZlXA09nsAq37JWA08vIMxCfftJ6a3Rd3gFWg LmKfwkEoeIm8fOZCUoPDb7xcNLiBbhMIamiNQgAShC8L0WdT7YZKBVQs8WwWFCvhHXlg oKxSBPeI3aggiGRFfXMRgvXEQPeMl15hQa367GRpUr4nyRPXXuwRtoVKh2AX23Iq35RV /jcL8nMqj15laOoRuWKRj3rY9sbNoC74UROQB97e6SSglwhYNjqaa0xFbRHCo96acpqs V5HI7+PN1dg+1ezECH8/hxfwDzqaiU92s/JsMipcZmKzaDYWoA/VEJ8a2b2Ofty7nQFT muJw== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv7CKB93dU (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00010u-F5; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00025H-DT; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 From: hw To: Polytropon Cc: hw , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: <20190812182109.634721dd.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:21:09 +0200") Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:10:43 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87sgq616ws.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812182109.634721dd.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466n6S1jF0z3yHF X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=pGvoosCA; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5301::1) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.939,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.37), asn: 6724(-0.46), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 -0000 Polytropon writes: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:37:54 +0200, hw wrote: >> Hi, >> >> does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg >> actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to >> remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other >> than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with >> kill -9. > > I have a FreeBSD 12.0-p7/i386 installation running Firefox 68.0, > and I don't have any problems. I even tried "modern" web pages, > and even though Firefox sometimes seems to run a bit too slow, > no crashes or freezes. > > But what you're describing rings a bell. > > Just to make sure you're not suffering from an inconsistent > file system, boot your system in single-user mode and perform > a forced full fsck on all filesystems, especially those carrying > /usr/local and /home. Make sure you have the following setting > in /etc/rc.conf: > > background_fsck="NO" > > Inconsistent file system can definitely cause the kind of problem > you're seeing, so make sure it's not the case. > > NB: Does only apply to UFS. ;-) The /home directories are on the NFS server wich uses xfs on hardware RAID, and they work fine with the Linux version of Firefox when mounted by a Debian server. Other than that, you're right, the broken NFS implementation of FreeBSD kinda simulates a corrupt file system. >> If Firefox is incompatible with FreeBSD, what's the alternative? > > It isn't. Things that do not build or run on FreeBSD are either > marked "BROKEN", or aren't part of the ports collection. NFS should be marked BROKEN then. It's not only limited to exporting whole file systems, a bug which makes it unusable for almost everything, it is also unable to handle file locks. I will have to re-evaluate if it's a good idea to use FreeBSD for DNS servers. I'll probably be better off using Centos for that like for everything else. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69641C07B3 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466n6S1v2Dz3yHG for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1565640669; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=eq+sdRo55wWCWI8tfas5nIMvGI7Ho2i5cLrnzmbmP0g=; b=DXcjWuQ09qs1woIvXOTtKUgKtNa6pXmcI2qTYsjSEjNEX8utRXvHA3MXXu+DtGDOvZ sSZBRWXt5qzAUoiYeeI4IeEcXRHFhZ9DBgwjsPsyeiwCqrUIbvMigxE2p8TiGr3+w56U CWMP3ez4N1qjuONhrXTd+PYWt8KBLACLpkeM/WWosJeRccuB7XgDyrO1nGLij9PT1eeC e3sEvyUHbOJMF+72MRH/lLFuGoH4+0l07ZFtDpuzzEPl15j5fVrHuSYCrG1tdAVKE1Zq 4Dm8ScpozyEBPO8wgoXcOCZo1aRibODYIjQ62mkEWm/2OVhsVC4c9gKEX9tMANsfhWMo K8Xg== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv7CKB83dR (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00010f-9h; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-000252-6f; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 From: hw To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> (Steve O'Hara-Smith's message of "Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:48:00 +0100") Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:46:03 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466n6S1v2Dz3yHG X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=DXcjWuQ0; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::2) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.37), asn: 6724(-0.46), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:37:54 +0200 > hw wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg >> actually work? > > Yes I've been using Firefox on FreeBSD for a very long time now, > always installed from packages. Currently I'm running Firefox 68.01 on > FreeBSD 12 with no problems at all. ok >> Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to >> remember its settings, > > None of this. > >> to not show up at all when starting it other >> than in the process list, > > Not sure what this means, I usually start it from a small script > in .wmx (that's just how my window manager works) that just > runs /usr/local/bin/firefox. Just typing firefox at a command prompt also > works fine. it means Firefox doesn't bring up a window or anything >> and it usually can't be killed even with >> kill -9. > > Never seen that, and my home directory is NFS mounted. Guess what, it turned out that the broken NFS implementation of FreeBSD is unable to handle file locks. Apparently it is using some unexpected ports --- I don't know which ones --- because it kinda worked when I stopped firewalld on the NFS server. That NFS server is serving the same directories and others to other clients perfectly well with no issues. Then error messages showed up in /var/log/messages apparently concerning file locks, leading me to a bug report about it. At the end of the day, I decided to ditch FreeBSD for the server part because its NFS implementation is unusable --- and who knows what other issues may come up. It's probably still fine for the clients because it can be nicely PXE booted. And now you say you got it to work with NFS. How? Neither v3, nor v4 work. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE59C07B4 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466n6S26BKz3yHH for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1565640669; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=rRwSwtf78KMmW8SLG0gQsCDA8yDuJAP0wFeIjZ5rp04=; b=j33pWCc+JZaOdFnHLgFPpB227kwEpphIkblyRF9+uxQFAqDkaCHTPz43gB+2xr/ei1 jNGtCRYBe3vUxAIlOq33KZ/2eXXMeLy6GuCzo2CtSa1GMz9yl7VhIyo3e8VcqcwMv1QQ LvXAfvoydkfUhryXEJYY8fKLBhVqwNXnKKTh0h2vmcj254bdPGZhpf4695tC5o16z/IH E5zd7jCqwyBXPLROX3p8o++VGugDNVcXVFdB8HBXqrmWvYlOurx4DS3UVhmyf+88mIlW Tih8OUSvNVAfU7HxJZYqXR9d7yd6M8a9ha1nl1jyH3vial1OJlmt+YS1MLBKuF/bS5FI xH0g== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv7CKB83dQ (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00010e-9h; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGep-00024x-T1; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 From: hw To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? In-Reply-To: <20190810182607.208e49addf88b6238272fb50@sohara.org> (Steve O'Hara-Smith's message of "Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:26:07 +0100") Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:33:10 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87a7ce2n7t.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <878ssc5v3x.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802053434.6babd0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> <87y30b8h0v.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190803042205.550f5903.freebsd@edvax.de> <87pnllbxp7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190805070522.be1fb873.freebsd@edvax.de> <87sgqdq0nw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190809133419.3de9e65f.freebsd@edvax.de> <87pnlevzbb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190810133516.3254f6e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <874l2p9fpc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190810182607.208e49addf88b6238272fb50@sohara.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466n6S26BKz3yHH X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=j33pWCc+; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.936,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.37), asn: 6724(-0.46), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:56:47 +0200 > hw wrote: > >> OTOH, what is the programmer supposed to do when creating an error >> message? Users nowadays are incapable of reading anything, especially >> error messages, > > The user gets "Oops something went wrong" and a button to "Send > diagnostic information to $VENDOR", the grubby details go in the diagnostic > return and are only seen by programmers. The problem with that is that it keeps the users dumb. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695C8C07B2 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466n6S26Ddz3yHJ for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1565640669; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=Y6nqAV1viV2smJB+DIeU77N46eBLLH9WHjTkH78sqgA=; b=a6UhjKOBJCiJMwaMhUbYncsuoYXjCzXJIsdxklifBw3xurv1vTXN7iWTE4AnwA1Zi+ RICquNjdbbwumtay4jyGLqQb4KVfRv5QSZb/spSUddcQnxD22Ci+QYRdAqN713WcVyEN X/B3l03+QgMrAJivs5+kvOOKXZqrmWGp9rIq102TuYuHo63jbAhRp/zmWT3Qcgisfqwl JwqcEcTu3MLz/ck5jVlx1zaIR5P6OFW5RUstiHiuVOiWZMV7kmxxN9NGNjaAuJOId+7L gYiix6Aqn9qCzV3hH1mxgBuQ7XKoknIXbrn7v0g/gS+WauptpExs4nLTfvGS50TAljPU bLog== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv7CKB83dS (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00010g-AW; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-000257-8u; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 From: hw To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: <07ac40e0-ee37-8965-a65a-d4edb1ef8bbb@netfence.it> (Andrea Venturoli's message of "Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:54:27 +0200") Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:50:22 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <871rxq2mf5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <07ac40e0-ee37-8965-a65a-d4edb1ef8bbb@netfence.it> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466n6S26Ddz3yHJ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=a6UhjKOB; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.938,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.37), asn: 6724(-0.46), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 -0000 Andrea Venturoli writes: > On 8/12/19 5:37 PM, hw wrote: >> Hi, >> >> does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg >> actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to >> remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other >> than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with >> kill -9. > > I'm using firefox-esr on 11.2/amd64 and I don't have so many problems > (although it sometimes hangs and I've incurred in a couple of bugs). I tried both the "normal" version and the esr version, it made no difference. > What FreeBSD version are you using? 12 release > Did you read pkg message? Yes, and it's strange that so many things are disabled. For this particular application, it's probably an advantage. > Other details on your system? Well, FreeBSDs NFS implementation is broken, see my previous post ... >> what's the alternative? > > Now, that's a good point; so far my dislike of FireFox is constantly > growing, by I failed to find an alternative. > What I tried: > > _ Chromium: while I just don't like it in general (and I don't like > FireFox more and more mimicking it), it's the OmniBar which make me > avoid it at all costs; > > _ PaleMoon: more or less worked (altough some sites refuse it), but > it's now gone like SeaMonkey; > > _ Falkon: seems quite light; unfortunately it hangs much more > frequently than FireFox (I'll try again after the upgrade to 11.3). > > > > If someone comes up with other options I might be glad to try them :) Maybe Opera? Does it have a decent adblocker? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DE5C07B1 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5301::10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466n6S2pY7z3yHK for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1565640669; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=xrTwvBVyo+JJHwMkiNP/xHKMp9o38/pLob2ha5Gh8X0=; b=ZkF/xU1A6DgkIWvL5wNfYtx6me3rD3n6sSm8B/3r/WBsj6n8hPNMh1crnZvj5T/rV9 RCxxVa9u7PtN/e9pRm/JuQOuKnQsWqcD+xGqrDauHDW20P9o0WXcbUer4Fzu4FzmOjMP 1lxBAXMoZpvRORkni0gZluuhdXXU7e/9RMry94azk932o7sOydqDJMq4T0mHkFgoWPAJ DPkiPDNdOC5SDr9lkYfY6vC8QrGUWvMR62zldaPgzzOQEH/rsyHtlfJLaCkIADBVf8AS QdAAoAFk1rLqj1OFzbwBxjePMaYtYOpcUjKw/bGg+1av2Ec9rN3iCgRs45eTsxu0ViP/ +VwQ== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv7CKB93dT (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00010q-Cm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00025C-B9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 From: hw To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: <20190812160212.GB13685@bastion.zyxst.net> (tech-lists@zyxst.net's message of "Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:02:12 +0100") Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:57:10 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87wofi17jd.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812160212.GB13685@bastion.zyxst.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466n6S2pY7z3yHK X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=ZkF/xU1A; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5301::10) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.935,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.37), asn: 6724(-0.46), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 -0000 tech-lists writes: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 05:37:54PM +0200, hw wrote: >>Hi, >> >>does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg >>actually work? Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to >>remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other >>than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with >>kill -9. >> >>If Firefox is incompatible with FreeBSD, what's the alternative? > > The version I'm using is 68.0.1 and freebsd is 12-stable r350717 and I have no > firefox issues. > > I'm using pkg but I build my own packages with poudriere-devel. > > Need more information from you regarding the issue before even guessing what > might be wrong. What version of firefox is installed? if installed from > packages, what does pkg info | grep firefox say? What freebsd version? > Anything in /var/log/messages that might indicate a firefox problem? What's > the spec of the machine? > > Saying all that, have a look at the last suggestion (dated 2019-08-03 14:48:49 > UTC) on this thread it might be useful: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=228855#c11 Well, see my previous posts --- and this is like the next issue as I was afraid of ... All this tells me that FreeBSD is a bad choice for the purpose. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 11:13:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601A1AB616 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46796y4PMTz3DG4 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x7DBCkMv014632 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:12:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Firefox or what? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:12:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46796y4PMTz3DG4 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.50)[ip: (-5.07), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-2.53), asn: 30722(0.06), country: IT(0.03)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:13:00 -0000 On 8/12/19 9:46 PM, hw wrote: > And now you say you got it to work with NFS. How? Neither v3, nor v4 > work. Strange. I've been using FireFox with my home on NFS since about... 15 years or so. Now I learn it doesn't work... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 11:20:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B762ABA26 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.185.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4679Hb2jYwz3DVW for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: D2owwgYVM1ltDVWM6F_k9eigjab.uo0ULJFkApQLJnIa.L7nyJdXNQeQdY6qTHV gHxJhXe.2jV4Ht1VnfJFZxDPhd1VSEsmu.GDU8szs0XsaBDEX1P65kgUrMdxcq2bitMN3EBCGpzP 5v86ObbfsGQ455ALtCrT6S7nHV7te7z_7Ksw6UT7qvMOkzwr9tSDuV1QiCAjwmm1vtSyr5pqCIKk agXdW.aY9oIhvSgV8GaXV.CKo7BpXw.JfV8Y.X34vru47NHG5Fm2rkLDwF54cXa5KPKsE7jEJyM6 nW_g_.yzSIT5bdK.nTBhmk18e39DF0Z5t2w0mfQjU_2vDRdW7G_M1BEMF8aisGIIPS5.QxwFP9.o 5neo9lDXxQ.4JnXFU8Tv._FkGVxLKnRL8bi66vjNQLcUiG2zzbgA2I08yn0PQSdNkDK4XirXhtrL u3Sr8vmhdOydOC9eR7a0yoM4XrjK1rfZKHc_2FSChRkqGB3TOHosegWK7dp8v2C4UgT6a4SDr35w U8rHP1Uoj_KSZrxeSZoNdM9MQUX6kDUDDdtyCoZ8Rs8IdE1Ah6hsuU7isu5nfiBMTDceD1w84P9s ZEM04FgZ3vaj84I.SRhuPetGuEiHwdiMqF04R1gNxFuFkHj3QyjXAFakFqDgG6FwxwPEfZYhHOH6 Z4FzO5F4bb_yP9CZG37gTOx8haIFLsjvtp0q30TGbKntKw0._lq3dbpnDgjFU_p57gPzylFFlFD9 XVgAmmRrKneM6BXemR_pF8A7ToDEYy6iJcrHgTZL39EpCcVSBlx7Nl3XbIjT9ZIej7sASQlhY1ru U3c8QeolrFk5pmgaIz3043bTbhONNXTBk6yk6f5zYnmZ3Uq3hOqgesXafstSQ2fJARng59.Tzpzs b68Ff.RkQtWUhY9sraEhH2gWvGqbKUcHb.PhPnESCEdKgbGsa1arl74o6ayJWWYNeM7D4GB7msik Et8n1JErTxHUnSZDaqtlZ7Qfa3U_uSmCcGzY9vPNyh6hyXVDsvgyuGNElRE5dnA5GtVHUU6kSsKe LPcnWtdCTrW1QGolkCcPIYfSDkiyf.f2LtvN0nrC.7OByqhbGmcV8ZSHm5_wosclugMKpO9PEf5B SDRkJ187kwP93DpWCZtwuSFY_xkW05Q4Rsd9Kw18.Qk51yF900VFRk5V44OtFs_UBmTjCzb3QdPW D_O7.Qbj2gp3VNWx461WBy8fbwUt.dMdADbiytffH71EXz6J.Zq4..2KLw4rFTJbsOVBtFZ6h8.A SnRHGBaTlycRNUut3VTpUS0s- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:19:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, hw Message-ID: <768650735.4676355.1565695184448@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14097 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4679Hb2jYwz3DVW X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.940,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.938,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.821,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.185.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (5.04), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.27), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:29 -0000 Hi, Sadly, I don't believe you to be technically astute in that you seem to hav= e issues with everything that work 'out of the box' in FreeBSD.=C2=A0 I lov= e FreeBSD for exactly what it is:=C2=A0 highly stable, highly functional, p= roperly engineered, with very few 'issues' especially all the ones that you= describe as 'BAD'.=C2=A0 It's strange that Apple, NetApp, Isilon, Sony, et= c who I consider some pretty technically astute corporations, decided to go= in the direction of FreeBSD, due to the reasons I list above, and don't ha= ve these same issues.=C2=A0 I believe you need to troubleshoot what YOU are= doing wrong.=C2=A0 Or, again, please do uninstall FreeBSD because you seem= to be a troll and Linux fanboy. I make my living contracting out on CentOS and RHEL.=C2=A0 Quite frankly, t= hey are pathetic.=C2=A0 I'm happy they are so pathetic in that if it was Fr= eeBSD, it would probably take me half the time to build, configure, deploy = and get various apps working.=C2=A0 Also, the ongoing patching of everythin= g?=C2=A0 Really?=C2=A0 How many bugs are found in their OS in a year? 200+= =C2=A0 Windows, 400+?=C2=A0 FreeBSD < 20.=C2=A0=20 Oh, let me guess, so few bugs because 'no one uses it'?=C2=A0 Yeah, heard t= hat before. Apologies to the list, but this guy's has been taking up serious bandwidth = for the last two weeks on non-existent issues.=C2=A0 He makes a statement a= bout something not working and 5-10 respond 'works for me'.=C2=A0 That's th= e pattern of a troll.=C2=A0 I urge everyone to please stop responding unles= s he can come up with specific details on how he built things, what he did,= etc.=C2=A0 I don't believe anyone who can read could ever have these probl= ems unless there's a scar on his head or a lobotomy puncture near his eye. P. On Monday, August 12, 2019, 11:38:10 AM EDT, hw wrote: = =20 =20 Hi, does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg actually work?=C2=A0 Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with kill -9. 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ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.28.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:31:05 -0000 On 2019-08-12 15:33, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:41:01 +1000, MJ wrote: >> What? So you propose typing 4 characters rather than three? Heathen. >> >> In unix systems, brevity is the king. >> >> :-) > > Depends on your language and keyboard layout. On a german > keyboard, for a \, you need Alt Gr + ?\, but ' is more > convenient: Shift + #'. Keep your fingers healthy. ;-) On the other hand, in [t]csh (FreeBSD standard, right?:-) ' does *not* quote !, i.e. you *have* to use \: pluto 1> echo '!11' 11: Event not found. pluto 2> echo \!11 !11 So I guess using \ could at least be considered "safer" or "more portable"... --Per Hedeland From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 12:01:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B63AD54E for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:01:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467BBs3PNQz3Gst for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:01:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481CC21CFD for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, what's the best mailing list for asking about poudriere-devel questions/problems/issues? Or is it best to go to github itself? Or irc? thanks, --=20 J. --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl1SpogACgkQs8o7QhFz NAU3OBAAoUnYkiDz3nkGUl996Ypqzek/jDswVOwbpUq4uKE+xdxo8+1WCIzLCEHq 2aHrcVJDivT1x36Z7Wtz/mv1yLcdyv+aqtKegovqIMq6suM6BkGG5PX9VXUYCxlj qJFQkiJi0/oKx/HOxcAXrWNPbb3MnSiEPHZuCnjcXWld/ddcLNHfJN9tJBZ7vU10 mQu5f1lkO5A2oNujGmREQx+Cpe0P4LKkw81NK1t5V/IKMNI9scqqzmaC3HfHPCII cGhNpeUd2NgZby443rK743g8DdBBRwlkhEpVs8PhX+5pj29I20j1JmJtDUy46/pn 8qv5zRT0iD/dPw3n/Iv78MCE7n52lXIc5+/xWOXuAS0VYqlCb1l0/HXQpdDfjJ29 b2AGtAVAxPHNBz4cMddXx3wVxHYpmPuJxywYElLNFiiw55vJ42Lp7ySiIiFoTSSJ dJX2BnxjMgtvo85PnK1uzhtyDQqUhqoovTa/NILQ4MXLLSrZc0RGxy7o+VVuSF57 K2uqqCF0keuhsDf3Z5ArrmVfG3tX0DeLMYZyQLUWGKJhFn8V1XEbM1zTT8syUBJe BloTg0jTlYcfJn0y01xvTZMajp8fKnX5aP1tanAc+3aqocEi5HKekWwKN+U3I+TP IiNWQfofRyaeHPSk6w4chgzF0CgaMUgjK4a6UzoxK9ljRJ76azo= =q34R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 12:37:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E62AE2E4 for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 01:01:19PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: >Hi, > >what's the best mailing list for asking about poudriere-devel >questions/problems/issues? Or is it best to go to github itself? >Or irc? > >thanks, >--=20 >J. sorry for the noise, it's on the github: IRC: #poudriere on freenode Mailing list: freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org (lists.freebsd.org) --=20 J. --tsOsTdHNUZQcU9Ye Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl1SrvQACgkQs8o7QhFz NAVH1RAAoz83J/yTK9f5uYFHJVpbYkBwGFt6mvWtIqHxJk2I3Y+KJkO4PQyyF+R7 GTnRLXi0QOfZ9a6LYvCi9DaKRY9WN4m+CenJtx+6OTY8BsoZkKpGw+n/YcLudfj8 343NofcfR4ijHggMnBzrUOyPAc3RhozYtHqlnQ7C8VtKgeSw/iU5ymD4WfmM769C Gbvd1J0nkgmtyO34/gCvkeSu3GuZfCnf7HF3JIVKK2hhMB2abDMRkYEKgzdwg1Yk 0u4ZdnaPMCdOyA0tomrh3mnjQmn3E5YQkzk7ft2sfXdT+SWlTUnRvZZJRDdGu0+9 SnI2dfMJw/JPBISfUD+Zq4j0oPHAIzpGeMYPY/5Xhd+GlG2O4/590U43ACPPRzCd 3ca83KpbWmo2GalMHHpefDroQa7TLEe3xBCIflEqusCFqMBg8uCNeEXKDySuQ/yU TUnk6wYCOGG04xrE4Iz8U98N7XHVdEb6n+7c8mgyuKNdvhSCSQlPjg52WQ924s+s ycVlz7On/OZTikKhb/epGkvMo/+kU47sXAt1JFrPJYz8ZU4T95IBqDhkiLSytPlo owVvuXJYBrWYed0Ornqe/wUCWMiVUvACl+PgabR4raKpJGzKZ7rPEv/7vnIe/1IH PRZ8vZkG0dTChcL4JCajN3ypv4LpzgMMyP392Xou9S57gEBFHSU= =nBUY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tsOsTdHNUZQcU9Ye-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 14:18:56 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B0CB07AC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467FFV4tNXz3PRT for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:18:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.97.4]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N9dbx-1iKkxk0VYz-015XfE; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:18:45 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:18:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Paul Pathiakis Cc: Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions , hw Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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I think this is not the case here. The specific setup which involves NFS that is buggy for some reason might explain a lot of things, like "filesystem inconsistency lookalike". However, checking for the common things (actual filesystem inconsistency, defective RAM, buggy CPU, etc.) should always be the first thing to do. If "cross-checking" with other systems is possible, that also should happen. > Apologies to the list, but this guy's has been taking up > serious bandwidth for the last two weeks on non-existent > issues.=A0 He makes a statement about something not working > and 5-10 respond 'works for me'. That was _before_ the consideration of NFS came up. It might very well be the reason for the problems described, even though crashing and freezing is _not_ an appropriate action when there are problems accessing files, but... in "modern" software, you never know: one thread is started to open a file, another thread goes ahead and expects the file open, tries to read or write or whatever, and nothing happens... ;-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:49:05 -0000 Hi again, Just thought of checking if you received my earlier emails (pls see below). 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 14:58:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76645B1CE2 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mgm51.net (oneyou.mgm51.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:af30::100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "oneyou.mgm51.net", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467G704Vtdz3x7W for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:558:6017:94:89cc:e793:1fd3:2611]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mgm51.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467G6x21xwzhHdb for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:fdcf:b715:2f4d:1:547a:6b:5f03:32b7] (unknown [IPv6:fdcf:b715:2f4d:1:547a:6b:5f03:32b7]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467G6w2BZFz1wvF for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ipv6 and freebsd 12.0-R To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812151706.GA13685@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Mike Message-ID: <0c0f8cb9-9c4e-64e6-aaff-4f4ff89aab3e@mgm51.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:58:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190812151706.GA13685@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467G704Vtdz3x7W X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.56 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mgm51.com:s=mgm51-02]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[mgm51.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f2f8:af30::100]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[asn: 25795(-0.25), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[0.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.f.a.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mgm51.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mgm51.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.803,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:2607:f2f8::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:58:21 -0000 On 8/12/2019 11:17 AM, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I want a freebsd machine acting as a router and PPPoE client to obtain its > ipv6 /64 from my ISP and dole out and route ipv6 addresses from my ipv6 /48 > (also provided by/routed by my ISP). > [snip] If the IPv6 /64 address and the IPv6 /48 prefix are given out via DHCP, you might need to look at a suitable DHCP client. I've used the ISC DHCP dhclient with success. https://www.freshports.org/net/isc-dhcp44-client/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 15:00:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D33B1EE9 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467G9Z3r41z3xHl for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFED44EAA9 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:00:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Firefox or what? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <5ec1f284-b8e7-0e78-06c5-18327897d220@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:00:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467G9Z3r41z3xHl X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.901,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.129,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:00:35 -0000 On 2019-08-13 09:44, Eric wrote: > Mine will freeze and crash regularly as well. It was much worse at one time but I went to the configuration folder and moved it to a different name letting firefox set itself up again like it was first use. I forget where the folder was whether it was in .config or not. It helped a lot but didnt completely solve the problem. I'm using 11.2/amd64 so I'm hoping things are better in 12 when I take the leap. > Here is my observation based on using Firefox on FreeBSD workstation with 8 GB of RAM. Firefox is buggy, and bloated, sometimes has tiny memory leaks (very slow though). However, it doesn't "crash" as often as some people seem to say. I pretty much all the time have 20 instances (separate windows) with on average 5 tabs each. And I have those without Firefox crashing for several Months. These my observations are relevant to Firefox during last about 3 years. I would prefer nicer, cleaner and [much] slimmer web browser similar to what Firefox was some 9-12 years ago. That is, before the guy I knew as student here came to Mozilla foundation as production director, and they started rushing "releases" one after another adding "features", and not caring to debug code well before releasing it. I still couldn't find worthy replacement for Firefox. And I looked, trust me on that. Just my $0.02 Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 15:27:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6E0B298A for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467GmB4ghbz3yjY for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.97.4]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5FtF-1iP9k527in-011AIN; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:26:56 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:26:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Eric Cc: Andrea Venturoli , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-Id: <20190813172655.352a89b3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> References: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rqzyof00XVEDt2hR6lb+vohurIPmJyJYgECG8pO1Sf0AoVei+3u zSHzWMzdnDLlVW6XORUCGekWfgK484nxINNqj3h617aZXzjGvxfjdpSlBNB6gu762U9V19W emAt1q1KlejI7l96zfaL8sh8ejvN/a4DIXr8g7EYXhTBAtFN1tcwC582CvEo/sBhtQn+tkE rbvgwpLw5bLnr/fKnEImw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:EA+rWIqh8Dw=:8g2wH4LOOyQsGLz/88LFre DDN/xU4EgSU+kCvWwvg0ajk4MwIOrGpMh2KfG+TnqGYgJdsrRKzny96RzDfQlD9SVd3n2p1Jz 7Ke7GTUEDKtxQYpc26fPDAB+tvXR5mX6WBar6AsXZefI/a+iWOApjIKFdKih6VTIp3+ZTXYDN K5PuCgyFDb5Y9iwqszXZCxuO2Lckf205ORkyAZ2WRcsAg9aAeeznuZa1qoP6K2CBKJZPzE5iD kGowmSRQrWL5LqiYgx2Q8Azq4eZggPVVrXYKh7GNLCsriwshsZwWughcZ8gmLnlMwU4vXR0Ey FRljdIT4dOXuf2FYu6DKoxqNVvIzndG84lAD3Qe1qmqAjZQ6YK53v4XjN9Y2KVCiti5xr1GPP g8f4De2AMNF8HoM+rUGyb5kwqk1OVcQpvhHQr44wWUUey8iEqMHtgiHSQyK6aD3mVDyncAAkl lJcnzDXPAXm6OAeibhgqbVER3NIBQykX9cp/qlMYkhSJ8z1neyofZZgt407PyVbwPnhzQQ2U1 +fQw9Z+5Jy5N+DcLdrr9kvsvwkv8bSoacFuF7X52Rpi3NXClPmZpBeuQpr0YPd0E0IHsB7UMS mBg8pFDSH/k/l7BTjyGs1INa7FcZXPRNqgpHXCDxVLBLypmGJiB+TOdM/Zsa3GL+thrnwjRsd kimZcQxzo4QoQupUsZ1EMeLoBxQ4q07s0/adYgU0pPuCQLUjOjq5RL0rqIqgswZh8/tI3tbVl U5hCrjfVTTtRpFs6vqi1ROcNOt8W81GdukpTUuKIdUeL0PYHAxVH5NrfmoM= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467GmB4ghbz3yjY X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.135) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[4.97.102.188.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.75)[0.748,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.971,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.80)[0.797,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.32)[ip: (0.74), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.37), asn: 8560(2.26), country: DE(-0.01)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:27:07 -0000 On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:44:15 -0400, Eric wrote: > Mine will freeze and crash regularly as well. It was much worse at > one time but I went to the configuration folder and moved it to a > different name letting firefox set itself up again like it was > first use. You can use the profile manager to do this, without having to deal with configuration directories manually: % firefox -P % firefox -p % firefox -ProfileManager However, configuration "bugs" should not cause Firefox to crash. > I forget where the folder was whether it was in .config or not. It should be ~/.mozilla/firefox, with subdirectories for each profile that has been instantiated. > It helped a lot but didnt completely solve the problem. I'm using > 11.2/amd64 so I'm hoping things are better in 12 when I take the > leap. Check if a newer version of Firefox is available. In many cases, performing an update will help. Oh, and always check for filesystem inconsistencies... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 15:33:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA003B2EEC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467Gv224GRz40lt for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 886CC4E636 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:33:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Firefox or what? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> <20190813172655.352a89b3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:33:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190813172655.352a89b3.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467Gv224GRz40lt X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.908,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.938,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.15)[-0.155,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:33:02 -0000 On 2019-08-13 10:26, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:44:15 -0400, Eric wrote: >> Mine will freeze and crash regularly as well. It was much worse at >> one time but I went to the configuration folder and moved it to a >> different name letting firefox set itself up again like it was >> first use. > > You can use the profile manager to do this, without having to deal > with configuration directories manually: > > % firefox -P > % firefox -p > % firefox -ProfileManager > > However, configuration "bugs" should not cause Firefox to crash. > > > >> I forget where the folder was whether it was in .config or not. > > It should be ~/.mozilla/firefox, with subdirectories for each > profile that has been instantiated. > > > >> It helped a lot but didnt completely solve the problem. I'm using >> 11.2/amd64 so I'm hoping things are better in 12 when I take the >> leap. > > Check if a newer version of Firefox is available. In many cases, > performing an update will help. With Firefox doing updates is a must. They will fix known bugs and vulnerabilities (and may introduce new ones ;-) Crushes of outdated Firefox may indicate one is hitting websites that are trying to exploit known vulnerabilities (chances are small but do depend on one's browsing habits) Valeri > > Oh, and always check for filesystem inconsistencies... ;-) > > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 16:00:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C654B3CA6 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic308-9.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic308-9.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.187.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467HVS0V1Fz42Xy for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: cGIzXcUVM1mE2FI2JTI2YPloVgt1o7UlbLssUjTCrtmqJatA8FEGM6p2kpOpByP OgLF_T6zToGO2_HOliI2XoTdCz4ltAB8l2Mm4.Q3i3Qg8VYK23mLh2fEjt7Z0k2Fpi2hRG271XXA qx9iEZViyY4vEKnERGF8mOO9De9w6rBbJl.yqk9c_afUBb5hBNrI6XlsCHmJ1A7MmygvL5d.KGYD E0FnxXKL.YjGWZ_9Ia.t3ff45qokvyrSYV5JauxaxEy9EKcpBOyJFS.mKZJoIMgtZWc3PL2.K.Jl AuLpRfz4bPbjMSe9rkChqKhWdvB8jrxHmS75HqbxexfIGjDRRgRhZJCYYQlj16N_eV8WVXppLFm7 Wj6f4i6rMC5Ksqta3Bs45_kpTRtMSzehm5FKiLKrgkEXuLSY8FHSNI2AFosLpb2JbvoSfodiW3Bw 3AUcYG_wylVr01w6RNNghKiv2NswAk4AeGHYakvvpCHI86ALfYI8vtD2YTq7SRXDVoeaKhPgXjUd yUFk7OE1NFuWUDywX7bPbEXOsHUoijGsOkoaEvPysfWQQWk6vnGY3XMpVBClZluy3MM.DA3ZcriA BbsKgSVV7nd37Hcyy03.qUf_CmEzeYJsIH__ttMpZp5WKCjYBnjmdHEZsxbrGFUm9W4oNCxdnXTW FxBg4Me3OkWk2QSoG0W_Og7am7wt6hz1t7.ib7n0I6RnSXtkVViIaYPgLG9gd61QsGqRqBWpRqT_ sAx73rJoM8TEo4Rz5wKUInIYjJ1M0ATcdfyrRb8tyVVEhgAAWOema_6v6x197y_g_ZCRBrNdnWwS 4FirXr8IWaZwKUA3Wv8HgtWliuD33rF41I9VzQxHkxNRfQMAYWVDwKdgHpQhYC_keS9yN.HklBAK Y3jjp6iifA07W7fQ71qgBEBmXxn6fih.msGqz9dXHIQXg3evus4yxRbUY1aZX0gxKTNuQiTSbecy EBApD4iZjtbO8RVKr0b27hgOszHQWdSLvfGkePvm7avTejS6qTT7XgFkTY4aEcziMdOoOKEXmm74 Yw6N2scCywfUUDmCWD3tiSo108S3S_VAyWUYpYGXPDNwaE92QVtHj6bqxyIP8ZEfC2sto0719OK9 t8veqnhvET5EQ_5H9jqrhGw36ZTXcq9DVXeY92YDGObb0plV5mt5faNXFJlsnFVyKnsSM8VWNqCN G5rXqBM9e90BG00zsiScJFJuCs2.fVnfX1zmuD14yOV5w.2HkgdhmA7HenAb74dBqzOkON5h3R_t pgwEy4QCXxde7v2LZfip641zHfDSs2JEZ_tDWV.HrDtfX Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:00:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:00:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: Andrea Venturoli , Eric Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <94174381.4786965.1565712010541@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> References: <60D6EFE4-D594-4E61-8B57-D4E4876EAC83@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14097 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467HVS0V1Fz42Xy X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.60 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.937,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.91)[0.911,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.75)[0.748,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[32.187.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.80), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.27), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:00:17 -0000 I would suggest that we go into a very deep dive into what you're experien= ce. This list is extremely helpful in resolving issues. However, no one can help if the configuration/circumstances are unknown. Potentially, the setup of firefox, the location of the binary... is it bein= g used over NFS?=C2=A0 is the binary local?=C2=A0 etc If there is a bug, it needs to be resolved. P. On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 10:39:15 AM EDT, Eric wrote: =20 =20 Mine will freeze and crash regularly as well. It was much worse at one tim= e but I went to the configuration folder and moved it to a different name l= etting firefox set itself up again like it was first use. I forget where th= e folder was whether it was in .config or not. It helped a lot but didnt co= mpletely solve the problem. I'm using 11.2/amd64 so I'm hoping things are b= etter in 12 when I take the leap. --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: (Andrea Venturoli's message of "Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:12:46 +0200") Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:34:37 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467Qxc1g7Qz4S56 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=tQWYZMBK; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::4) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.939,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.36), asn: 6724(-0.48), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:35:49 -0000 Andrea Venturoli writes: > On 8/12/19 9:46 PM, hw wrote: > >> And now you say you got it to work with NFS. How? Neither v3, nor v4 >> work. > > Strange. > I've been using FireFox with my home on NFS since about... 15 years or so. > Now I learn it doesn't work... So how did you get it to work? After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD-NFS is incompatible with Centos-NFS. Have you tried that? What will you do when you run into bug 220004? 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Message-ID: <20190814083624.GF786@lena.kiev> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ec1f284-b8e7-0e78-06c5-18327897d220@kicp.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467jbx3KBQz40Lq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=lena.kiev.ua header.s=3 header.b=jCNrZiUf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lena.kiev.ua; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Lena@lena.kiev.ua designates 62.109.6.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Lena@lena.kiev.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.12 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[225.6.109.62.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[lena.kiev.ua:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[lena.kiev.ua,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.198,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[asn: 29182(1.37), country: RU(0.01)]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29182, ipnet:62.109.0.0/21, country:RU]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[lena.kiev.ua:s=3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[lena.kiev.ua.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:36:32 -0000 > I still couldn't find worthy replacement for Firefox. And I looked, > trust me on that. Palemoon. The only problem is to compile the latest version of Palemoon under FreeBSD. 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:58:12AM -0400, Mike via freebsd-questions wrote: >On 8/12/2019 11:17 AM, tech-lists wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I want a freebsd machine acting as a router and PPPoE client to obtain i= ts >> ipv6 /64 from my ISP and dole out and route ipv6 addresses from my ipv6 = /48 >> (also provided by/routed by my ISP). >> [snip] > >If the IPv6 /64 address and the IPv6 /48 prefix are given out via DHCP, >you might need to look at a suitable DHCP client. > >I've used the ISC DHCP dhclient with success. > >https://www.freshports.org/net/isc-dhcp44-client/ Hi, would you know -server and -relay are also required for my use case? thanks, --=20 J. --EP0wieDxd4TSJjHq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl1T4aYACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXoXg//f6PgXdOYnMfgwVsBhOVG+R4Z0LaT2RyrSE0Nlxv6jfIkLkxJs8Hl+Qvf fHvDLf1R7tiPYhGXry3au0mCg1AE1kTwiNGhnUXRi6pxlOQq0LmX7nswKYhWGY7N 1urRAv8mRF1PxId60sCrMXz0L7nwYD87vxegEDnH3kNLb4IFqpv6xqhs1AqaH6G8 Wtb672bawfRxGA/VQHNFEOPbQUShyL5au9zfn93dLH96iBwOBrdpJHJzB4fXcPgM NlEOsbNuuMeEjp8XwCUyH3vnRNePj0LRRRHxfXmuilvARnb6ccQ/Pu1EcrCdvqc0 LZhPKIdHUML8NwMPp3jynmND9rXrr8r3FE/Za+gIB1ejb6FchJWqf7kLkceW3XHP TJsgF5ubHrK7mWjn5aUWtd4DKD34A0j+nqBWEQvHv9hiRopkLCGzZPDRLtCGRdVZ J5Z1OQtG6QwSPFbEUjfSUpFCr6qt3D8Un5HHSqLRDWRVOjEAUxS090lqRJryZkUt uDMnl40YHzIvoTcj5r7uLyOHxcAPcPYRsntqC/419Kw3SqDGJX4NyXVPmE1Hh+v/ YD+BmDdq3cPX1p7OFNDPYdR45YRhMj4YqMj1kvftYHuwWYVFy+kDwtAplt+qap3+ 3c6NZNIv0pOwG/DSiOMuFOn6Wt2Nrx9tZ0vGTfpZTuX+DFB0S84= =mb9r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EP0wieDxd4TSJjHq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 11:21:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564A6CF5C8 for ; 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To: hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:21:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467nGN0s5Cz49lM X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-1.49)[ip: (-5.02), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-2.51), asn: 30722(0.06), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:21:33 -0000 On 8/13/19 11:34 PM, hw wrote: > So how did you get it to work? By following the instructions in the handbook and reading the manual pages. I've had this working for years with NFSv3 and it's working now after I switched to NFSv4. Perhaps if *you* post your configuration, we can look at it and see if something is wrong. > After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD-NFS is incompatible > with Centos-NFS. Sorry, but you didn't say that in your first post. Again, this might be a problem with FreeBSD, a problem in CentOS, a problem with how you configured them... We cannot tell if you don't provide info. Also, I'd be suprised if this only affected FireFox (which was the original subject), as several other programs wouldn't work then... > Have you tried that? No. Everything here is FreeBSD based. > What will you do when you run into bug 220004? I don't know. I'm not using 12 yet: I see .0 releases (of any software) as potentially immature and buggy and I'm absolutely not switching until 12.1 is out. These are bugs I've heard of and are one more reason I'm NOT moving to 12 yet. Then again, I'm happily working with 11.2 and 11.3 and I see no need to upgrade for now. If I ever run into it, I'll see what my options are. If you are stuck with it, I suggest you seek help on freebsd-net. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 11:33:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D6ECFA6A for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.191.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467nXR6hLdz4BNk for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: GDdhvkEVM1k_b9nsVJSq5Qk2SRv6EdnNqbX6sbb6HeMtu8DvZRswMYs8pul84sD T360i9Wr8QErq1xPjPD0V.vFsyoDp8RDKMOvguyomuJDhk8zFovA6a0mX6R4v6h0DklMv8btks5G mxaMmM4_5DXJLDgHFYcJ476SZW.J3.v8B0kfoMTHw8CXkcNfvjPRqHd7lkhsI7hG8RBBM5JM4afs 3EiqjVv.5kLj.NLJGnbV6FV5kSgFiBDckj5M.EduHXQPk70fea30BC12nq4wL7ZoG3cZz21_PYf5 2.z_MV5406cMBf5hVs2oNgjpKC8teeU1i_UwyunFwMtPlpYud84xn92WbzeRTq3kcDGtp5q.Q1YQ x0v4SimIYwTIKs0BtH1NsaPZB9C7qInphLH1NlLny80P_vuaNM.vXNefHb5l5YTFuRv8TB0pKzfx 8a4XnenS68BXlCNjBPrUIpobN0EV6uAUq5ecOHnBs3CFj._SWgpj2eZsgW_5avStqj7_M5M0RhaO gDdCybN5LZPROfqZ6xbGnosF6wOJhe7QVjd9IOAoIaip8IcT.QgVCy31rIHDjDTADc3mWXz5Sd5N d63M4HDXj3pYMFHD5CXSMQPlBim7Fca4oaR3Pzno..w3wuet4_d2m5dbF5vfuDGuwEVXbDst0jSN 3ZdB2xV_w4YdgEd8zCUhWPfQzb5bY20MDkHoBpx.HpDFyLxo.Ca.knz7rLythEV056V.65yYdSdf iUrn9A2wtxZ1XQewqXeUZFgHjdOEqXz80JePM37ulLQCZ7c7csKmGYd2cOP5q4iW31R4lXxA_YsC ZXYIDhkMwJJcDg9.WAIfl2V2APYorwCJZvCoNqI4sfPkhXeszaJCE9vVOPwy6Ccgj2RMlZ0dmk8v cyZzi9.4R0ZrqL8YGYG9tzjjPAagcjSZ2LbxdTfqUU0m30ypYMV4s3vaYOJR9yllRvJqZ2a_T1la 5.IHAUcEsQrLeUqUhXDTbeGn_7woDt213kkgUGxXs7IDKN9KfJwD7qhM4PumO7JfG9GUoqtePj9y VvM3Yc6dPv84AGYNxNgrFvPTJA7EiuOpUjNHuFK8zbpWFQzeurcfjIfYulY5Eg0X1ypHi972pk8H X7QOh04PqQThOPNqs1FVKGWYoSv2onq1QUL3lk1708nGq3tqvh3MY.Jc9dH3GnGV7T9ahAIcN8Wh 8gJ4ZXZzFo7lxw.di3UyIobYzHDGUnRCxPkqJ3oc.XQczCjAw6e3NpcxIFjK8bgOSMVCNVGGcO3g PjiAPv2FAFwlhoXM_IxMkxhYC7bEVWS9aM_mheQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:33:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:33:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: Andrea Venturoli , hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <314331581.5193473.1565782418212@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14097 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467nXR6hLdz4BNk X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.68 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.934,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.956,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.79)[0.786,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[147.191.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.70), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.27), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:33:46 -0000 Did you read that bug? It really has nothing to do with NFS.=C2=A0 It has everything to do with In= tel NICs and the IFLIB functionality.=C2=A0 NFS usage is a symptom that exp= oses it and nothing more. He may never run into that bug. Everything I read on that bug report seems to point that it is specific to = Intel chipset NICs and NOTHING else.=C2=A0 So, any of the incredible amount= of non-Intel type NICs out there, will, more than likely, never experience= the 'BAD" bug 220004. Also, since FreeBSD follows standards like POSIX, it is more than likely th= at it is the Linux implementation not following standards, again, that is a= problem when dealing with an issue (not related to this bug) of NFS compat= ibility. Linux clients have had multiple problems talking to NFS server implementati= ons that aren't Linux.=C2=A0 That's called 'platform or function incompatib= ility'. Again, I point to NetApp being the largest seller of NFS based appliances.= =C2=A0 Numerous times over the last decade Linux clients have had bugs expo= sed in their NFSv3 and NFSv4 implementations usually due to not following t= he specifications for implementation and/or being 'liberal' with the interp= retation of it. Finally, again, you're pointing out something that is irrelevant to make yo= ur point.=C2=A0 Try to do some objective research and ask relevant question= s.=C2=A0 The list will help.=C2=A0 Please stop throwing up your hands and s= aying this is 'BAD' 'BROKEN' etc Objectively state what you are doing and what the environment and setup is.= =C2=A0 No one can read your mind, know your setup, etc. Here's a list: hardware in use on BOTH sides=C2=A0 (when you boot FreeBSD what does it sho= w?)=C2=A0 Post the dmesg or /var/run/dmesg.bootexplain the configuration of= both the client and the server and connecting hardwarelocation of the info= rmation being accessed (local or NFS) what is being done when the error is encountereddebugging information - log= files, errors being generated, debug mode turned on for those processes, w= hat flags when you started the processes, etc So, please, although this list is VERY helpful, you have to present your is= sue so others can understand it.=C2=A0 Also, getting on a list that deals w= ith a specific project and bashing it right off the bat, not very helpful. = It's like walking up to a girl's father after your first date and telling h= im she's ugly, stupid and wouldn't put out.=C2=A0 Don't expect the father t= o be very receptive to you getting a second date.=C2=A0 There is netiquette= and many here still practice it.=C2=A0 I have breached netiquette because = I find you aren't responsive to it. Again, please start posting relevant information, or just please stop posti= ng as people are starting to get annoyed with the bandwidth consumption.=C2= =A0 If there is indeed an issue, the list will help you solve it and write = up a RELEVANT bug.=C2=A0 However, we don't even know if the bug posted is r= elevant to your situation. P. On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 5:35:56 PM EDT, hw wrote= : =20 =20 Andrea Venturoli writes: > On 8/12/19 9:46 PM, hw wrote: > >> And now you say you got it to work with NFS.=C2=A0 How?=C2=A0 Neither v3= , nor v4 >> work. > > Strange. > I've been using FireFox with my home on NFS since about... 15 years or so= . > Now I learn it doesn't work... So how did you get it to work? After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD-NFS is incompatible with Centos-NFS.=C2=A0 Have you tried that?=C2=A0 What will you do when you= run into bug 220004? _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 12:06:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928DCA91EB for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x631.google.com (mail-pl1-x631.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::631]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467pG53Bnnz4D4F for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pl1-x631.google.com with SMTP id c14so50528068plo.0 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:06:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kertZEFSXfJ48wIyyPMJvk7gYdbJjCvR4tboxdYBO7c=; b=j40sqiY9uRbhusiVEEDbeo50U6C/xINGmA1P7I+OCQRrTCTFaI/0pj0GsfwCbZ6qGa ZZjUMKE/WHnDo3EXNUtwZ3KCcWJxp7GZ0cvX8kv6jIl3HpYAYe5JMLs1zWAMF08bazje GLAoas9649XCBJHGKHbP0fEtVUDvDV5uvJlbQo4vqi8ltJvnSSA7VVD8izeY2lQUQyQL WfAepIUQnc+LFxVIln+nHfrYx4iDNkTuMiIzeQ0noCTImu3YqDr+mv9qHQIASgs7nagV s4P6GDz6a3OT1G+ZswRLqV4Cop8qCnGMk4qvRwE+y4HURLDYwobfzffhAvK3z5jCuJT3 nQtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kertZEFSXfJ48wIyyPMJvk7gYdbJjCvR4tboxdYBO7c=; b=JnClxqtfj33pR2LAQ734Gq3bPf24TrzeatEkedYBWH8zGR/tz+QyIsUsZh4CiBLM1R YtjUMUK4eHc6+DjnBmDNCEgTyaS+Nhnp5qLKx75VvVddmKB4k7WHT+Tt2U+JZUbhQ2NU KrKm0Gld4zpA9iaj0LkQbU46H8konoD/sPXpTubwJAW+9dFzI4cocLjRvP4jKlYhK96A COiDsj8tc81qCkSnOAldWNfsHVu6u154sTiH/dXddN9n/q6rQYBeqC7ULhH0q4h9KcIJ 2XAbH7Azvuj4v1hMsVwQ/0HbEV6jrrf2Ba+DAGuRXU+dS0LVveiZyINppaz9uuJHh1bU mLvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVOAW8YDaaWl6Cxi2bMd7jXR/e1+nX/Joj/FbdRvC+YnaAzyQyx pKSNtnA7Du7AEMZAHEh91/Zn69My X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy1C1Ydd0d7t4Ma3X0c8c6jNuiZG8rlaxJc3V8y9d8YPpavPHJ6+RhM/1QjCfWHvRhKd4uPkA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b604:: with SMTP id b4mr26775503pls.94.1565784379531; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (C-59-101-167-216.mel.connect.net.au. 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To: Andrea Venturoli , hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> From: MJ Message-ID: <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:05:30 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467pG53Bnnz4D4F X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=j40sqiY9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mafsys1234@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::631 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mafsys1234@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[216.167.101.59.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.08), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.97), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:06:22 -0000 Thanks Andrea for pointing this out. On 14/08/2019 9:21 pm, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 8/13/19 11:34 PM, hw wrote: > >> So how did you get it to work? > > By following the instructions in the handbook and reading the manual pages. > > I've had this working for years with NFSv3 and it's working now after I > switched to NFSv4. > Perhaps if *you* post your configuration, we can look at it and see if > something is wrong. I have to agree. While this list is for questions and there are many here that are eager to help where they can, it's almost impossible to answer questions like "It doesn't work; therefore FreeBSD is a failure". To hw@adminart.net may I suggest: A) we don't know what doesn't work, what you have tried and what configuration you have. Examples of configuration files, log messages, error codes and the like will help. Most people here are not clairvoyant. B) Searching through bug lists to find a potential bug that might occur in the sub-system you are utilising in FreeBSD seems a nonsensical approach. Your time would be better spent giving us the information needed to assist you. C) State what actions you have taken, what you have read, what confuses you. People can help if they know what your problem is. D) Be specific. There's never too much information that you can provide relevant to an issue. In the end, you're free to ask vague questions; the list is free to give you vague replies. 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To: Paul Pathiakis ,Andrea Venturoli CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Eric Message-ID: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467pVv1JgTz4Djg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dsB1C0dh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eteepfiles@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::331 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eteepfiles@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; 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To: Paul Pathiakis ,Andrea Venturoli CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Eric Message-ID: <575C1CB1-AE19-46AA-90F3-3805CFA6ECE6@gmail.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467q3g4pCDz4Gk0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=iSyEx2kZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eteepfiles@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eteepfiles@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've used freebsd for a long while but freebsd-update only relatively recently. I have always rebooted the server after freebsd-update install. I was wondering - is rebooting a requirement? thanks, --=20 J. --T6xhMxlHU34Bk0ad Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl1UIdIACgkQs8o7QhFz NAV9ghAAkXkQD2jl4eO1iwbRmxfTJnZyYcAW3NND+wSNcC80UUbgNqn08U1mUNut X/vphAm7HTUf43KnjxF0OcEZvaEsgIjzHdPNInjbUT2TOoeVP+gduGQuKuYnJ6qK 2uVSankIFq+utU7vZi5xq/7WUlzAoLE2jCD1nug2lNKGT9D1zooDuLghlyYRJDBp kn1CMQ4n9rLgcDcj6Wo+iphr0e3rveVd9CJ0piGizrVLaDhjeqOwxGh9XepLQYQx 2D+KJyqn9UcgoWaVqKjznJoF1QNBnlM1WcTfSmg9KwCXZddibs4VeoyaW/tI5Nm4 UWopvEuY4r2wcRrdZ/0QgatI/reP+/WIHbIBz1yiRfFgac9osH7nUDBIUau1FxXv ervNPINt1volE4z6P+qLcQWBVXARTSQ5k25ZoVFMdVs7Jnb6adFwZwgKJCq+E01r h/LoTgziYYqKaT1Ml58i+lvlKr3a/L2Ph53yaC7dPkAMjJctWpIRF318auIiXFp/ IjMEmFJVx3J1KI8yhp/xX9cmJp+QnSZuQUQURjRA3UM1fuOLxkDYOCh8fu7zQh9V D/8gurBqR7DmQPeTqJDoFI7Mkn84Tz0GOpnk3JkV+pJLAGnGQepSDAdrakugNcLc pHkjQuHQpxFFZb32hVCwC9N6y0XjotRcylEUfNdo8DlCz8o+D8U= =uqSX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T6xhMxlHU34Bk0ad-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 15:11:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0378DAF032 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467tMW6Hytz4RMf for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C855106A7; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:11:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: possibly silly question regarding freebsd-update To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Arthur Chance Cc: tech-lists Message-ID: <4f64ab9d-e0a8-5a0d-241e-82c75540d4e6@qeng-ho.org> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:11:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467tMW6Hytz4RMf X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.36)[ip: (-7.10), ipnet: 217.155.0.0/16(-3.55), asn: 13037(-1.05), country: GB(-0.08)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:11:21 -0000 On 14/08/2019 15:59, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I've used freebsd for a long while but freebsd-update only relatively > recently. I have always rebooted the server after freebsd-update install. > > I was wondering - is rebooting a requirement? If you've done a freebsd-update upgrade -r you need to reboot after the install and usually do another freebsd-update install to clean out old stuff. If you've simply updated because of a security announcement the announcement will say whether you need to reboot or just restart affected software, but it can be easier to reboot rather than restart a bunch of stuff. -- What do we want? A time machine! When do we want it? Errm ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 15:15:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEE8AF301 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467tSS6qrDz4RfZ for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:15:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565795742; x=1568387742; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=U1aiycFK1zgvS/79BnNjztLx2TxqFBOKnhlsVlPZtIo=; b=EL74DbMvQC5aw+dm5vqLqEHeOxj1qhIk0Ri63HJ/Z6gZ3eIaSVqFtiRcSmpvQLBqIeC2kpWeAD3WPIkDvjOCaiAZVLX6ZtpdbcZijZNAEdphD703wT1TMXhxvPu2raZpRS+f9jD3YWuUsKl/8wZmi4RiOQHfgNBNz+LW/LssHxY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjkwMDAwMDAwMDAxMjUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:15:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:06:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hxurh-000DI1-4Y; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:07:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:07:04 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: possibly silly question regarding freebsd-update Message-Id: <20190814160704.75a360eac1a39bbdf07e496d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> References: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467tSS6qrDz4RfZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=EL74DbMv; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.870,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-0.52), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.22), asn: 7381(-0.16), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:15:44 -0000 On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:59:40 +0100 tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I've used freebsd for a long while but freebsd-update only relatively > recently. I have always rebooted the server after freebsd-update install. > > I was wondering - is rebooting a requirement? Only if the update installs a new kernel, otherwise some restarting of services may be required depending on what changed. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 15:15:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2FAF317 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467tSd1xLhz4Rfc for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B7714EA8B for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:15:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: possibly silly question regarding freebsd-update To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:15:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467tSd1xLhz4Rfc X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.331,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:15:46 -0000 On 2019-08-14 09:59, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I've used freebsd for a long while but freebsd-update only relatively > recently. I have always rebooted the server after freebsd-update install. > > I was wondering - is rebooting a requirement? FreeBSD security advisory message will tell your if reboot should be last step of particular update. If you want to use your own brain, think along these lines: if anything inside kernel has changed, you do have to reboot (as you have to replace something that is always in RAM when system runs); if nothing has changed that is loaded into RAM with the kernel, then no reboot is necessary. An example of the last would be update to one of the binaries (utilities) that comes with the base system (not to be confused with stuff coming with pkg or port installation). I hope, this helps. Valeri > > thanks, -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 16:02:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB686B07B9 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mgm51.net (oneyou.mgm51.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:af30::100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "oneyou.mgm51.net", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467vW10Sgdz4TyL for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:558:6017:94:89cc:e793:1fd3:2611]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mgm51.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467vVx5MFpzhHXS for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:fdcf:b715:2f4d:1:24a6:1c8a:37e3:7554] (unknown [IPv6:fdcf:b715:2f4d:1:24a6:1c8a:37e3:7554]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467vVw5N9Tz1wvF for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ipv6 and freebsd 12.0-R To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812151706.GA13685@bastion.zyxst.net> <0c0f8cb9-9c4e-64e6-aaff-4f4ff89aab3e@mgm51.com> <20190814102551.GD73009@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Mike Message-ID: <146af497-a034-b2d8-5a97-1fa540d1ab43@mgm51.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:02:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190814102551.GD73009@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467vW10Sgdz4TyL X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mgm51.com:s=mgm51-02]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[mgm51.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f2f8:af30::100]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[asn: 25795(-0.26), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[0.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.f.a.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mgm51.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mgm51.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.807,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:2607:f2f8::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:02:53 -0000 On 8/14/2019 6:25 AM, tech-lists wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:58:12AM -0400, Mike via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On 8/12/2019 11:17 AM, tech-lists wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I want a freebsd machine acting as a router and PPPoE client to obtain its >>> ipv6 /64 from my ISP and dole out and route ipv6 addresses from my ipv6 /48 >>> (also provided by/routed by my ISP). >>> [snip] >> >> If the IPv6 /64 address and the IPv6 /48 prefix are given out via DHCP, >> you might need to look at a suitable DHCP client. >> >> I've used the ISC DHCP dhclient with success. >> >> https://www.freshports.org/net/isc-dhcp44-client/ > > Hi, > > would you know -server and -relay are also required for my use case? > > thanks, > I don't know enough of your scenario to answer that. I can tell you how it works in my case... My ISP (Comcast residential) provides the IPv6 address and prefix via DHCP. When my system boots up, it solicits a router advertisement. I run OpenBSD, and I put the following in hostname.if to solicit the router advertisement: inet6 autoconf Your OS may use the rtsol command or something similar. Then it runs dhclient, with the command below, to get the IPv6 address and the prefix (in my case a /62 prefix). /usr/local/sbin/dhclient -6 --no-pid -P -N --prefix-len-hint 62 --address-prefix-len 64 -cf /usr/local/etc/dhcp/dhclient6.conf -lf /var/db/dhcp/dhclient6.leases.wan em0 (note that if you are also using IPv4 DHCP, you'll need a separate instance of the dhclient command for IPv4) You probably need to contact your ISP to find out the correct sequence that you should use to obtain the IPv6 addresses you want. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 17:56:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CCCB428C for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467y1f6dL3z4fSm for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:56:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565805367; x=1568397367; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=8RPRuTiGe+Tcz7gTqK8LR9idtV++lb4U3gNoaJm2mYM=; b=gWFNhaT/Plv+FqnT1nwNrTXbZ0Wnqlk60kBY4dwBbStkIibAzgQcCItBEXrwrtJ4v3fbDqnwbqGlabDCVuViRaYGDZ5/vRenxOVNhgJF7BoD4YcJx7WgU63GtgCn+P9A+lpeoc/fUYk01gckdK8xtRaComEQzNa1PkjLTFAb9N0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjkwMDAwMDAwNTVlZmEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.86.145.87]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:55:57 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:55:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hxxV5-000Dyj-Cr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:55:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:55:55 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: possibly silly question regarding freebsd-update Message-Id: <20190814185555.d3c531487f3c3b41a9b817b5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190814165909.GA49486@neutralgood.org> References: <20190814145940.GE73009@bastion.zyxst.net> <20190814165909.GA49486@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467y1f6dL3z4fSm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=gWFNhaT/; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-0.51), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.22), asn: 7381(-0.16), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.881,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:56:07 -0000 On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:59:09 -0400 "Kevin P. Neal" wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 03:59:40PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've used freebsd for a long while but freebsd-update only relatively > > recently. I have always rebooted the server after freebsd-update > > install. > > > > I was wondering - is rebooting a requirement? > > You can't have a userland newer than the kernel or things will tend to > fall over. So the kernel is installed first, reboot, and then userland is > updated. Yes for an upgrade to a newer release but not for an update to the latest patch level, there old kernel should support the userland just fine (modulo bugs) and so a reboot is only needed if there is a new kernel. > So, yes, I'd go ahead and reboot after finishing the install. And there's > nothing freebsd-update specific about that advice. 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I have not particularly lived my life so well, as I never really cared for = anyone(not even myself)but my business. Though I am very rich, I was never = generous, I was always hostile to people and only focused on my business as= that was the only thing I cared for. But now I regret all this as I now kn= ow that there is more to life than just wanting to have or make all the mon= ey in the world. I believe when God gives me a second chance to come to thi= s world I would live my life a different way from how I have lived it. Now = that God has called me, I have willed and given most of my property and ass= ets to my immediate and extended family members as well as a few close frie= nds. I want God to be merciful to me and accept my soul so, I have decided = to give alms to charity organizations, as I want this to be one of the last= good deeds I do on earth. So far, I have distributed money to some charity= organizations in the U.A.E, Algeria and Malaysia. Now that my health has d= eteriorated so badly, I cannot do this myself anymore. I once asked members of my family to close one of my accounts and distribut= e the money which I have there to charity organization in Bulgaria and Paki= stan, they refused and kept the money to themselves. I will be glad if you = can assist me with my charity project since I am sick and unable continue w= ith it.Kindly get back to me I will be glad if you can get back to me, God be with you P Mancilla. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190814083624.GF786@lena.kiev> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <7763890d-07ce-2b7f-47ae-6cddc3b9be77@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:08:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190814083624.GF786@lena.kiev> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4682Hj4JyXz40jc X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.77)[-0.767,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.951,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.053,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:08:34 -0000 On 2019-08-14 03:36, Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote: >> I still couldn't find worthy replacement for Firefox. And I looked, >> trust me on that. > > Palemoon. The only problem is to compile the latest version of Palemoon > under FreeBSD. Thanks, Lena! I was considering palemoon as well, and ruled it out as it is just a fork of the same Mozilla's firefox code, so it will inherit most of the things I dislike which were introduced long ago. And it may have smaller developer base, but the last is just a wild guess... 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Message-Id: <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> In-Reply-To: <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468NDg56mwz3Cf3 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hw@gc-24.de has no SPF policy when checking 85.16.78.202) smtp.mailfrom=hw@gc-24.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.993,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gc-24.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.836,0]; IP_SCORE(0.48)[asn: 9145(2.42), country: DE(-0.01)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.971,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9145, ipnet:85.16.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:37:08 -0000 On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:21:18 +0200 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 8/13/19 11:34 PM, hw wrote: > > > So how did you get it to work? > > By following the instructions in the handbook and reading the manual pages. > > I've had this working for years with NFSv3 and it's working now after I > switched to NFSv4. > Perhaps if *you* post your configuration, we can look at it and see if > something is wrong. That's what I did. I tried lots of different configurations which I don't have anymore, so I could only post the one that was active when I gave up on it. > > After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD-NFS is incompatible > > with Centos-NFS. > > Sorry, but you didn't say that in your first post. It was neither relevant, nor known in the first post. If Firefox generally doesn't work with FreeBSD, that would have been an explanation, and that was what I wanted to know. Seeing that so many things are missing from the version FreeBSD uses is not exactly encouraging. That NFS doesn't work right was unexpected and unknown, and I was assuming that NFS is compatible with NFS since anything else doesn't make sense. > Again, this might be a problem with FreeBSD, a problem in CentOS, a > problem with how you configured them... > We cannot tell if you don't provide info. > Also, I'd be suprised if this only affected FireFox (which was the > original subject), as several other programs wouldn't work then... Firefox was the one I tried to get to work; if others didn't work either, I didn't get so far as to find it out other than a while ago when it turned out that NFS in FreeBSD sucks because it's incapable of exporting directories with the permissions as required. > > Have you tried that? > > No. > Everything here is FreeBSD based. So that is already a difference. > > What will you do when you run into bug 220004? > > I don't know. > I'm not using 12 yet: I see .0 releases (of any software) as potentially > immature and buggy and I'm absolutely not switching until 12.1 is > out. Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? I was trying to find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta? > These are bugs I've heard of and are one more reason I'm NOT moving to > 12 yet. > Then again, I'm happily working with 11.2 and 11.3 and I see no need to > upgrade for now. > > If I ever run into it, I'll see what my options are. > > If you are stuck with it, I suggest you seek help on freebsd-net. Fortunately, I'm not stuck with it. FreeBSD is fine for PXE booting diskless clients, and I don't plan on using it for anything else anymore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 10:46:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B6ACDB3D for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:46:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from mail.g4yg.de (mail.g4yg.de [85.16.78.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468NRG6qH2z3D4M for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from hw.v.h.gc-24.de ([192.168.220.17]) by mail.g4yg.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hyDGr-0000tO-1M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:46:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:46:16 +0200 From: hw To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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While this list is for questions and there are many > here that are eager to help where they can, it's almost impossible to > answer questions like "It doesn't work; therefore FreeBSD is a failure". The question has already been answered by most people saying that Firefox works. I found out that it is NFS that doesn't work and replied accordingly to those who answered. I'm not trying to fix the NFS problems FreeBSD has. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 11:45:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15CECE706 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from relacionamento@mktgrosario.com.br) Received: from mktgfarmalife.com.br (m2.mktgfarmalife.com.br [177.47.8.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Pl426Tqz3G2d for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from relacionamento@mktgrosario.com.br) Comments: 50356_4490712_2178_2175 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mktgrosario.com.br; s=k10; t=1565869303; bh=8B2Y+vMWoTUcbiefFzPEJMrtv35RnEGATE5FPRV6LnU=; h=List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:From:To:Reply-To:Date:Subject:From:To: Date:Subject:List-Unsubscribe; b=w73MN76HBr8gw20BI9w9cE8nt7Z4AeqavFmY+uGhZTGcsYesQUqjHEBAMpRSevUuK cZpFjQTHveQBbFL4Gi4nFk89OM5HbXf0jTWM0cBbodLgea1c5PFgG+zbHxgb3LDG6V USwoLhYTiy9VcjBgvVmn75vKtiH+dn+6MtX6FLys= Feedback-ID: =?utf-8?B?MTg3MzpmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9y?= =?utf-8?B?ZzpbMTkwNjgvM10gUk9TX05FV1MgSElEUkFUQU5URSBCRU0gQsOBU0lD?= =?utf-8?B?TzpEMTAwMA==?= DTM_EFFECTIVEMAIL.ANALYZER: 31613c47-1e54-454b-93ee-6a239beb1669 DTM_EFFECTIVEMAIL.ANALYZER.DISPARO.ID: 2178 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ros=C3=A1rio_Plus?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: faleconosco@drogariarosario.com.br Date: 15 Aug 2019 08:41:43 -0300 Subject: Janaina, sua pele merece esse cuidado. 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To: hw , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> From: MJ Message-ID: <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:46:56 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468PpG6Rlpz3GFq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PqgWPnPr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mafsys1234@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mafsys1234@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[216.167.101.59.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.58), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:47:51 -0000 On 15/08/2019 8:46 pm, hw wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:05:30 +1000 > MJ wrote: > >> Thanks Andrea for pointing this out. >> >> On 14/08/2019 9:21 pm, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>> On 8/13/19 11:34 PM, hw wrote: >>> >>>> So how did you get it to work? >>> >>> By following the instructions in the handbook and reading the manual pages. >>> >>> I've had this working for years with NFSv3 and it's working now after I >>> switched to NFSv4. >>> Perhaps if *you* post your configuration, we can look at it and see if >>> something is wrong. >> >> I have to agree. While this list is for questions and there are many >> here that are eager to help where they can, it's almost impossible to >> answer questions like "It doesn't work; therefore FreeBSD is a failure". > > The question has already been answered by most people saying that > Firefox works. I found out that it is NFS that doesn't work and > replied accordingly to those who answered. > > I'm not trying to fix the NFS problems FreeBSD has. No one was asking you to report a supposed bug/problem. Some on this list were just prepared to help you with your undisclosed issue concerning NFS. Back to Linux, hey. 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I was trying to > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be > 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta? It is a release, the first release in a major version that has been through all the normal release engineering process with particular care applied to new features and major rewrites as you would expect from any well run release engineering team. Many people prefer to avoid the first release in a major version of *anything* because new features and major rewrites often have unexpected side effects and bugs that don't come to light until after release. FreeBSD historically (I've been using it since 1.1.5) has been pretty good at .0 release (kudos to the release engineering teams - and let us draw a kindly veil over 5.0[1]) but nobody is perfect and expecting the worst of .0 releases is sensible caution. [1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 12:51:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C78AA8833 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468RCd51MHz3KZ1 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.18.144]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MeD1l-1iWkgz26ER-00bGyJ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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If Firefox > generally doesn't work with FreeBSD, that would have been an > explanation, and that was what I wanted to know. Seeing that so many > things are missing from the version FreeBSD uses is not exactly > encouraging. What do you consider "missing from FreeBSD's Firefox version"? Am I reading this correctly? Given that the FreeBSD version of Firefox version is essentially the Linux version of Firefox _ported_ to FreeBSD, I cannot imagine things are "missing" - except maybe those that heavily rely on Linux mechanisms that don't exist on FreeBSD, but then, the "Windows" version of Firefox would miss them, too. > That NFS doesn't work right was unexpected and unknown, and I was > assuming that NFS is compatible with NFS since anything else doesn't > make sense. As others have confirmed their NFS settings are working fully as expected, you should review your configuration. You already could confirm that it works among Linux systems, if I remember correctly. So FreeBSD is "the new part" here. It still leaves the possibility (!) that "Linux NFS" is broken in a way that it only works with Linux, and not entirely as expected with non-Linux systems such as FreeBSD. I've been running NFS setups with Linux, BSD, and Solaris, but that way mamy years ago. Maybe things have disimproved since ... ;-) > > Again, this might be a problem with FreeBSD, a problem in CentOS, a > > problem with how you configured them... > > We cannot tell if you don't provide info. > > Also, I'd be suprised if this only affected FireFox (which was the > > original subject), as several other programs wouldn't work then... > > Firefox was the one I tried to get to work; if others didn't work > either, I didn't get so far as to find it out other than a while ago > when it turned out that NFS in FreeBSD sucks because it's incapable of > exporting directories with the permissions as required. Could that be a configuration problem? Again, it would help if you could quickly describe your setup. What OS is the NFS server? What does it serve? What's the client? Where does the Firefox binary reside? Where the home directory of the user that starts it? > > > Have you tried that? > > > > No. > > Everything here is FreeBSD based. > > So that is already a difference. Definitely. Interoperability can lead to the "funniest" explorations... :-) > > > What will you do when you run into bug 220004? > > > > I don't know. > > I'm not using 12 yet: I see .0 releases (of any software) as potentially > > immature and buggy and I'm absolutely not switching until 12.1 is > > out. > > Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? Because (1) nobody noticed yet, and (2) because the attitude to not use .0 software is nothing "standard", but a specific preference of certain people (who probably have good reasons to do so). Personally, I've never been bitten by a .0 version of FreeBSD. I run Firefox successfully on 12.0-p7/i386, but there is no NFS involved. > I was trying to > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be > 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta? Because it isn't beta. FreeBSD has strong guidelines in place that prevent immature software to be released as a -RELEASE version: alpha, beta, release candidate(s), release version. But mistakes _can_ happen, and bugs might slip through. That's what the patches are for. So if you plan a new installation, you should use the current release, which is 12.0, and after installation, use freebsd-update to get the available patches. If you wish to use an older version, that's possible too, and that would be 11.3, which _also_ has the status of "production release", so it's _not_ legacy. More information here: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ Or you wait until 12.1, but that's probably not a solution here. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: FreeBSD questions References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <820b7785-4af0-138b-8f67-ed633772ebb3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:01:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468RQz5TfXz3Kvb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=VIgZhWuD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.151.66.79.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.12), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-3.03), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:01:17 -0000 On 15/08/2019 13:51, Polytropon wrote: > … What do you consider "missing from FreeBSD's Firefox version"? … I assumed it was re: this part of the package message: $ pkg query %M firefox Always: ====================================================================== Some features available on other platforms are not implemented: - Native audio (requires OSS backend, feature parity with ALSA or PulseAudio) - Encrypted Media Extensions (requires Widevine CDM binary) - Process sandboxing (requires Capsicum backend) - Reduced memory usage (requires mozjemalloc) - Crash Reporter (requires Google Breakpad and reproducible builds) - Performance profiling (requires GeckoProfiler) - Gamepad API (requires libusbhid backend) - WebVR (requires open source runtime) - TCP fast open - about:networking (requires link state notification) mentioned reading the message. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 13:54:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E49AA110 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic307-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic307-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.190.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Scs5pyzz3NFr for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: F441T3EVM1mGvMwC_ty9Uo6jDEeVvlwHeiXK58Q1NjD3u.gdkJ.vk2oNl_kztvk Ym1WnqIHh5oYTVQWql9mzoUAcENZLXEvJPNuFj8qt7th2_v4Zc30IJm_4dAB0KzZssKttLlurRDN lEfA4o6yjbNmcb9NuVMajiyTN3d8S1Ovr8XfDFjr09U_5Ud0HF0XUnzWxY3gtA_8gFyQUpx4kDi5 QFXjBlvMYwE5KQZfHCjTSsziVDQITUjJuCSgCgNTsd.SDIQDZmBxwjfraPPUn_HiwCEVkLTHZ2Io pZLCSXG.1Nb8umtlCsNU73SFHPYdRV5aLlhpE9eRkmtdSzEYjy9O_AGAViBV46H7vYBvumLnzmyw VvGRkVpXchxBQpZq62ZeMPmPCTYSytiRgrhv0CrGlk.iIWMegghQZLJwgNwtjt0Uh2fOlk6ci9s3 t1ZsQm2YQVvGM8diHYWOBcYEP_ADQXU.OoHPMOOXVj0z0QWME1OrHYvDpQrHTI5H3jMdQL3WAr8l FklvyPTUSuXgzw7gAcIbk2MfgfmyGn_EWEWu0PHx0k5He0XTPOKp16jxAyvPZ0ORcD2HlwkbacEA NQ0taJZ57_qpiT9V2uRBmm95O9tJET6Z254CNExFMFZIfkaMkAuyWx1jzEPsR0sG5yopwOk5RF1A gMizAm8jWypowVyUJXyBszsndYSt2iIGrm5RZlF69vpmkpV9gG1mF2DXdUOCH.Q2APFhuUlzOJdz sHFYZofF9ETXC27NZy5AOq0Tx9f0y6VwbEmydHP5vprKrSpGr9mwRICbQSytiot0kpXBrRZ6Sau5 HUSjq1XIJxILy8WvwMkbGtZ4GOeCm4fCIWEwnvT0s4b.r0wNbcATcS1gNFsViQ9VOeHMQuJ2DV6M owcUH6rkyGJpgSPTjmH9zs6OIXbBXWZSuRvpIkLQDVSmEYLh64_lY1NxH7MFJxvEy3nJkhBhspDP EJ_kknfA6lEo5JVamfk0MsdwfzwFKzhod_.4imTafPEAfPMSYs0Tz2TrEM3AMsfecXzTblBGtVVD 6PgEzsh5R8Wg7ZfU67XP5CJdIfAWbA_EXIfKkdOj2DoiH9k9Qo_7WTRA.56bBjyKgHbhMgm.sxtj .i7uVN9pZ4fGkScTQO_tdygRNTaa9wyp481RPnoi8aG7Sdw0U7DhhPhgg4Xxi3nzee1sb9OwidJl OGmNjoCQ_9bCmSVtNxJaChVzZ3bT_MQdoz_Xnihi2bn0omTn7puEnxHUl8tzizmeE_0OnrqrJiSZ ot0FbwMLBkgg2CACSUZGlUNPnoxuk Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:54:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:54:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Steve O'Hara-Smith Message-ID: <339518345.5751661.1565877287760@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20190815130549.a8dd5cbda66719d356fdf88f@sohara.org> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815130549.a8dd5cbda66719d356fdf88f@sohara.org> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14097 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468Scs5pyzz3NFr X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.65 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[13]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.915,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.93)[0.932,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.80)[0.799,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[31.190.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.12), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.28), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:54:55 -0000 Hi, I also, have no issues with .0 from FreeBSD. I entirely ignore all Linux kernel major releases for at LEAST 6 months to = get rid of the major issues. Then I wait for the functional and security exploit patches for the next 2-= 4 years. Again, calling a RELEASE a BETA without understanding the project, reading = the release process and the release notes. Quite possibly, maybe you don't = even understanding the difference of a BETA vs RC and the levels thereof.= =20 Refusing to produce any documentation regarding the environment, the config= uration, etc... QA, TEST, RELEASE, BUG TRACKING are all handled in the traditional (aka the= most painstaking manner of software engineering perfection) in the FreBSD = project.=C2=A0=20 You refuse to read.=C2=A0 You refuse to write.=C2=A0 You point at irrelevan= t bugs. Just a troll.=C2=A0 However, the interesting this is you remind me almost i= dentically of the same troll that shows up every 6 months on this list. Anyhow, here's your information and I hope that the very helpful people on = this list realize there are no problems here, just a consumption of resourc= es. DNS server handling your query: localhost DNS server's address:=09127.0.0.1#53 =20 Non-authoritative answer: gc-24.de=09mail exchanger =3D 10 mail.gc-24.de. gc-24.de =09origin =3D ns1.antagus.de =09mail addr =3D root.ns1.antagus.de =09serial =3D 1449586308 =09refresh =3D 10800 =09retry =3D 3600 =09expire =3D 604800 =09minimum =3D 3600 Name:=09gc-24.de Address: 46.227.95.21 gc-24.de=09nameserver =3D ns1.antagus.de. gc-24.de=09nameserver =3D ns2.antagus.de. =20 Authoritative answers can be found from: P On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:25:06 AM EDT, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: =20 =20 On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200 hw wrote: > Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this?=C2=A0 I was trying to > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be > 12 release.=C2=A0 Why call it release when it's still beta? =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It is a release, the first release in a major version th= at has been through all the normal release engineering process with particular care applied to new features and major rewrites as you would expect from any well run release engineering team. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Many people prefer to avoid the first release in a major= version of *anything* because new features and major rewrites often have unexpected side effects and bugs that don't come to light until after release. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FreeBSD historically (I've been using it since 1.1.5) ha= s been pretty good at .0 release (kudos to the release engineering teams - and let us draw a kindly veil over 5.0[1]) but nobody is perfect and expecting the worst of .0 releases is sensible caution. [1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster. --=20 Steve O'Hara-Smith _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 14:01:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46A8AA38C for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:01:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.191.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468SmF6DFmz3NWd for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: LqyXeEUVM1nMMiDn5RPWJX8Rd4N63jfkbmsVXV5PU97Bo0Eawc6akB.XgSTfAK9 xO8UbMr0bId7Zj4fOKL7nUQxiItDPB02wDmYfJwahYmu8ivLBkQLsf24st1LCiot0ITpNBfOpXCA 0jYHi02R.4Do2rvX8GQOzCI7TtEeuIJn7zuaeNENGyhfOQhdubkifurXKzihSwqnmGe8.WXhLkWr wyJogGMnTGBMOT5Q4RHmpD.3v8CcbIfygQsrpA_qG4sGHv0Ly2jUOplt2iFvelbqW20JIYjY57I2 U42h0mUYjXlFkhFENG8etaaXgVx_9U8GGxnJurfImctwddbmvexIJBVl5SVA3.X8T7NvQ21BE79j GcAI2bhiMQZuTdoBcMW6i0VJwDBKI5AOB1lSB5FmcJEBKAEzZlQPOKnyUlM701qJ1UB9rZRocXSm 56_CY2D7hj4GP39yIr4Dy1HCzuZEF82Q6S1IHVc4bcZMfsqsUlOEqX4I4vdoZHYt3KtosQIIOrMP 3siH1cxXzeqLakbWpkoTOSBHEqk.Wi3Mo1nu75eKVBPkrfOhqQGaehJHnyvGDfrS29nFk5YxcCyK FcCYfBEWwPMGyEr9aPLTAIW8vWEFaeJp6eeq3w0Us4tuRGCt_Im_hcV95GZwsuoqx1wZRpT1R1xU oqlzWWGAY.4e_Becn0mQCxpuDpSFWm.lQUct7HRsj7SNvVhiyDj4OSy.0B2zQTbwSMSEct463hsH UD8lasrY.FK4nt4y8uS8M6dj2gPcAtqweeN02OPJojAA0T_2Rl0LVbQ1KJOGFCRKqCzkonWMBPWS PvOuDQmlM0CSxSEC5C21BbcuTc_2QddtrnUGbUwVKh8fn1NXu7roHUYmDnl2idtzuiiqDNol_LqA k_TREXK9z_.hV1NZjthWsWW.HCos8g0RxcVGTxsy0b.xoc8aRusnmSXSKhLuLahYW1eM2M4AZlbp R0tMrfLjtMKXvYbb4vu2SeaqPz3FAm181UZ99HqiZq80fMVri195M5oiL24NE.3zb35Kuv7GhmND GVttOilI3H6mWD5KBSUwSomMWzWE2unntbFQFPs43N4EmqXQAswl_CmDIiLbR3UvmEpIRrfDOPWu sWbsw63ZT4MFWi4l9Kwrg2BMOD5bTi3RxHUVv8oKivxIMRGxMPbIDM.L7AHvQlhk6GlCRSkPTXbE MlwCIqxP8NcqLDjHnftOh0pwEsiv7cKtHqXR_w63XNwbwYxAOe0Sz0TnlrWTcp3WXVGw24tdDTmE 6zvqpr_TbUiKKfA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:01:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:01:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <351168444.5755609.1565877673847@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <339518345.5751661.1565877287760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815130549.a8dd5cbda66719d356fdf88f@sohara.org> <339518345.5751661.1565877287760@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14097 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468SmF6DFmz3NWd X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.81 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[13]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.918,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.973,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.69), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.28), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.921,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[147.191.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:01:18 -0000 Also, I appreciated the helpfulness of the people on this list.=C2=A0 Howe= ver, since there doesn't seem to be any issues that aren't relevant or made= up here, please take the ongoing issue offlist if possible. Have a conversation via e-mail with hw directly so the rest of us who want = to help people or have genuine issues they need help with can continue to d= o so. If you actually do encounter a real issue, it wouldn't be a bad thing to po= st a synopsis and resolution to the maillist after the fact. It's that simple. Thank for doing so, P. On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:55:04 AM EDT, Paul Pathiakis via freebs= d-questions wrote: =20 =20 Hi, I also, have no issues with .0 from FreeBSD. I entirely ignore all Linux kernel major releases for at LEAST 6 months to = get rid of the major issues. Then I wait for the functional and security exploit patches for the next 2-= 4 years. Again, calling a RELEASE a BETA without understanding the project, reading = the release process and the release notes. Quite possibly, maybe you don't = even understanding the difference of a BETA vs RC and the levels thereof.= =20 Refusing to produce any documentation regarding the environment, the config= uration, etc... QA, TEST, RELEASE, BUG TRACKING are all handled in the traditional (aka the= most painstaking manner of software engineering perfection) in the FreBSD = project.=C2=A0=20 You refuse to read.=C2=A0 You refuse to write.=C2=A0 You point at irrelevan= t bugs. Just a troll.=C2=A0 However, the interesting this is you remind me almost i= dentically of the same troll that shows up every 6 months on this list. Anyhow, here's your information and I hope that the very helpful people on = this list realize there are no problems here, just a consumption of resourc= es. 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[1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster. --=20 Steve O'Hara-Smith _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =C2=A0=20 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 16:23:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBA0ADF86 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:23:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from mail.g4yg.de (mail.g4yg.de [85.16.78.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Ww24zW3z437c for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:23:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from hw.v.h.gc-24.de ([192.168.220.17]) by mail.g4yg.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hyIWt-0003Tz-Jh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:23:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:23:11 +0200 From: hw To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-Id: <20190815182311.0c845c1b8f03875addc94a5c@gc-24.de> In-Reply-To: <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468Ww24zW3z437c X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hw@gc-24.de has no SPF policy when checking 85.16.78.202) smtp.mailfrom=hw@gc-24.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gc-24.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.996,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.839,0]; IP_SCORE(0.46)[asn: 9145(2.31), country: DE(-0.01)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.970,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9145, ipnet:85.16.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:23:15 -0000 On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:17 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200, hw wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:21:18 +0200 > > Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > > > > On 8/13/19 11:34 PM, hw wrote: > > > > > > > After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD-NFS is incompatible > > > > with Centos-NFS. > > > > > > Sorry, but you didn't say that in your first post. > > > > It was neither relevant, nor known in the first post. If Firefox > > generally doesn't work with FreeBSD, that would have been an > > explanation, and that was what I wanted to know. Seeing that so many > > things are missing from the version FreeBSD uses is not exactly > > encouraging. > > What do you consider "missing from FreeBSD's Firefox version"? > Am I reading this correctly? I'm referring to the list of missing things that is being displayed when you install the package. > Given that the FreeBSD version of Firefox version is essentially > the Linux version of Firefox _ported_ to FreeBSD, I cannot imagine > things are "missing" - except maybe those that heavily rely on > Linux mechanisms that don't exist on FreeBSD, but then, the > "Windows" version of Firefox would miss them, too. It's still not encouraging. > > That NFS doesn't work right was unexpected and unknown, and I was > > assuming that NFS is compatible with NFS since anything else doesn't > > make sense. > > As others have confirmed their NFS settings are working fully > as expected, you should review your configuration. You already > could confirm that it works among Linux systems, if I remember > correctly. So FreeBSD is "the new part" here. It still leaves > the possibility (!) that "Linux NFS" is broken in a way that > it only works with Linux, and not entirely as expected with > non-Linux systems such as FreeBSD. That is certainly a possibility. It's not relevant, though. > I've been running NFS setups with Linux, BSD, and Solaris, but > that way mamy years ago. Maybe things have disimproved since ... ;-) > > > > > > Again, this might be a problem with FreeBSD, a problem in CentOS, a > > > problem with how you configured them... > > > We cannot tell if you don't provide info. > > > Also, I'd be suprised if this only affected FireFox (which was the > > > original subject), as several other programs wouldn't work then... > > > > Firefox was the one I tried to get to work; if others didn't work > > either, I didn't get so far as to find it out other than a while ago > > when it turned out that NFS in FreeBSD sucks because it's incapable of > > exporting directories with the permissions as required. > > Could that be a configuration problem? No, it is a feature. There is even a bug report about it. > Again, it would help if you could quickly describe your setup. There is no way to describe it quickly. Multiple servers, PXE boot setups, VLANs and switches from different manufacturers are involved. > [...] > > > Everything here is FreeBSD based. > > > > So that is already a difference. > > Definitely. Interoperability can lead to the "funniest" > explorations... :-) That would be one of the reasons for which it would be unwise to use FreeBSD any more than I'm using it now. > > > > What will you do when you run into bug 220004? > > > > > > I don't know. > > > I'm not using 12 yet: I see .0 releases (of any software) as potentially > > > immature and buggy and I'm absolutely not switching until 12.1 is > > > out. > > > > Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? > > Because (1) nobody noticed yet, and (2) because the attitude > to not use .0 software is nothing "standard", but a specific > preference of certain people (who probably have good reasons > to do so). Personally, I've never been bitten by a .0 version > of FreeBSD. I run Firefox successfully on 12.0-p7/i386, but > there is no NFS involved. The bug is over 2 years old, so people have noticed. I'm usually not keen on using software right away the day it comes out and rather give it a while so bugs can be discovered and fixed. FreeBSD wasn't released the day I started using it and has a reputation. > > I was trying to > > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be > > 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta? > > Because it isn't beta. FreeBSD has strong guidelines in place > that prevent immature software to be released as a -RELEASE > version: alpha, beta, release candidate(s), release version. > But mistakes _can_ happen, and bugs might slip through. That's > what the patches are for. So if you plan a new installation, > you should use the current release, which is 12.0, and after > installation, use freebsd-update to get the available patches. That's what I thought. > If you wish to use an older version, that's possible too, and > that would be 11.3, which _also_ has the status of "production > release", so it's _not_ legacy. I like upgrading only so much ... > More information here: > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ > > Or you wait until 12.1, but that's probably not a solution here. Right, I needed the solution a couple weeks ago. At least it's finally in testing. And who says 12.1 would work better. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 16:42:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F7CAE61F for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic314-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic314-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468XLC1ks0z44Gf for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: oA9AQtoVM1kjrVLdmVxKwPSfOG93GZ0IlLcWSfYBslxfrRYuhfxM0oqKv1j_x6m Dtl_fRCOV0bdoMgv6n7lO3BPYpyKIsiXKj9d7flxIQcQsUsqSFlvo1IVZAbBnzyXVkhpygPSi3ax 80vhy7N1qPq1ED0F.1Bch7TmLpEBfLpcV4aZDLArH0KCDA.xhu9tZvwWIvX18zQO.ixC2D7CPZX0 GNm16quSgBLbtOwIJLvn9oHmZh0vFMH5w2mawAsa7AcPFLy20RGRTwWER51UDKLUDtX4i8926jrE bDHdbDBCx1oOW494reEIr6.xHnGfoLqJ5JNRrdMaD0DSJWIH47sTfsBFUO7pqaMHWLMsajyBnZF6 8UaoP1H_Pvo6GfBz_pagWt44eyazbr6HrekaE1FC38OKfYhPDPqVERUff4rc29FUyyHgqvlDDgZ9 FNb9s5dl8RwRyPj8D1WbGGNrhIjvQeQ3rJimf.q8KQHmk0LTaayOR6MeAWoKH1fXanzeo0CDt5Bj JNQam0VbunB1jUvB8T06wFaF9pSURBM_ViczFo_PHs8vMuvC_Xj1loKR4D95Wbcl85fR2aZKOuSb uFbjNCTYn2YWUUOwmK0Po1Fj_kCre2ZoQYUvTU6KBmQxt.YtFTAfeON6rSlq64oyU8.HaB30hdmA XGM4cUwAw6hZGpBWwB4JPTAwulhe_PQs_e5BULPkqSp2fo.TeX1XSJQeIUedXLUOfbZjcC.56YaG 8ODHkfBlfFG3rShonbo4AIB7Xf3Uk9VEQEfA5X1_zf2pFYwkl5GivnsokGo4BaggDFk0ZKDal9gH IPcBzdrcaxaPT4ea0xOJjUgmVnq3fGLkkO4gXfC0iCyLcMEAU_WgYeRv.C1nVlHoHfTYslslt.Oy Wqj3dP6qivNu.t5REF8t8.fUj.KqG8GdMY.zCS2e5h5ec_Ihy5PJMNzmP8FZIw1SBPKvKsdYAWd1 zANlthtRmGiRrpKKq95bf6msOKniMo95ZfIJvQEQihnSwNgWzdRhMo1vex7.Zrf9HveLagkL3ziQ Mzm3GWPA.o2HNLZyU26EaZBKk8628Rn7RAGrauiuXjZbIShNxdqcMGA438GRTv3vp0whyh63QFwN fh48vMKkIhkwCCb8.nWqAZ3UcjThCpyoDHIC1rklc8eGnFmiqQAMVLbFNPX5Wx9EdC98nOuesUrJ Q0WdrMCrGw8QJ2guaxwGPPtKBNjmj9qrM7mWaxyxz7jtQb_sN6kx4I5e_4Q.WIZxO7GAZ981Njj. 2U1ep5ysFE.Pzkig- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic314.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:42:25 +0000 Received: by smtp415.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3ab80a310399817d84a453dbe18006e0; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:42:20 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-ID: <20190815184220.3d7433e0@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190815182311.0c845c1b8f03875addc94a5c@gc-24.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190815182311.0c845c1b8f03875addc94a5c@gc-24.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468XLC1ks0z44Gf X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.75 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (5.92), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.23), asn: 34010(1.76), country: GB(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.844,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.29)[0.288,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.11)[0.112,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[145.177.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:42:28 -0000 On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:23:11 +0200, hw wrote: >I'm referring to the list of missing things that is being displayed >when you install the package. Hi, if I were you, I would copy and paste this list. The list _you_ might get, might differ to the list other might get. >It's not relevant, though. Since you know what is relevant and what is not, why do you still continue this thread? >There is no way to describe it quickly. Multiple servers, PXE boot >setups, VLANs and switches from different manufacturers are involved. Do you think it's faster, if subscribers gaze into crystal balls? However, if it's a complex, not easy to describe setup, chances are good, that you suffer from a pitfall, that is related to the complex setup. So much the more troubleshooting should begin with checking the setup. 2 Cents, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 17:04:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FE5AF014 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from mail.g4yg.de (mail.g4yg.de [85.16.78.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Xqn4lTdz45jt for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@gc-24.de) Received: from hw.v.h.gc-24.de ([192.168.220.17]) by mail.g4yg.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hyJAx-0003lx-SM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:04:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:04:35 +0200 From: hw To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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Some on this > list were just prepared to help you with your undisclosed issue > concerning NFS. Yes, and I appreciate the helpfulness. Quite a few people were asking for more information, and I haven't provided much because it would be way too time consuming to go into it. > Back to Linux, hey. Do you have a better idea? 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To: hw Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468XxB5SpZz46V0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZGpXZW22; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::834 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.44), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:09:19 -0000 On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 19:04 hw wrote: > > [...] > > > I'm not trying to fix the NFS problems FreeBSD has. > > > > No one was asking you to report a supposed bug/problem. Some on this > > list were just prepared to help you with your undisclosed issue > > concerning NFS. > > Yes, and I appreciate the helpfulness. > > Quite a few people were asking for more information, and I haven't provided > much because it would be way too time consuming to go into it. > Ahem... So you're saying it's OK to waste other people's time with vague statements w/o providing hard data, because it consumes too much of your time to provide sufficient data? If I'm mistaken, please correct my misconception! Regards Michael > > > Back to Linux, hey. > > Do you have a better idea? > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 17:12:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7650AF61A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic303-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic303-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Y0N6q4sz46n9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Pgjxv_QVM1nozZMa08CF2igO9ESQysU3shPsuXiScNyI2SIvtYuHLKPFiQDa4NA IC65Q2yhshOJzhQhFMadFNsilp37F6PG7pNB06aDws.6sztNq0je13m_xkBccbjdXMjUE0LRZ4Vu IG58joXDmTX4P7ZFJTkJVkn_vskDhnQucM0AsaOb.1fHJnQYcMwYgshScIDbhSE5yOcXki_fqRW2 w4GxqlXQUzkArmk8hUpywx6UoPp0S.8gICmU1ELzQ8YwYIrxdJ2gYnbcV0EDPE.X.WtxbvL7hxkc vd00d5o4BgjMihWyGqmgzgn574lQVqikWle3M1gqOh8uvSJVFp3iWsEtgO_KCPIFceEpbSYMs8P1 CMQ.VO_Z.2IOMP9j29Bd0TP4SPM39xMT3PdEeqx8FK3_1Bxo4dWOBKlrcZ2nT9juzWQH7uuiYy03 xzoZ8SmN.VubrarQf5FzgpFnuJpZ8WfswQlYYzj5ZiI4d3xKXpFIiYcfI4d0mYQlIzLfhuPyQfj_ TGAI9F9JxViwo9iyXBqyCprVH16ywO0ktVY6bmqOM9xlD70bfHw1YGC1CtCFs3Ut7LE04w9TNdi8 r0KVZRA04.yjUiYQ8Ujmn5pRlM0GZrZL0p6IWLDgwUQk3pw1PXJ_obONe5aTZkq9P_nrG.oC4uXw n40Xg9C60RhkMLEfum3fhdXjZdFm.QwsJ9BJYYcGi5YIrnOv3Jw2BEAqbszj2h_nM0gwFM_ufLE2 s.DgTJz2ua3J5pEJZeTQwv5dO2vcIE2P_ZlLwz7n0vP4aqNi9rj09CnSlxmLJSvYAarWGTNSzvBV YCCJTlWI17wL_Y7LNt8pHNScvbyUyNQyr7LRYP2iB.nbnpxrCc8Pj0PJOxotzkXekRhWaZwbVl7t 7RhOYvfJVlGaRXq_0G4a.rKxsGMmtle_6FMw7ipbL0G3e8Fbc0yH3DGqB49pPTZpTfxjQ8jkxYKx 3bB5U.GkVj25YxJY1IJ4AfSFzsJL1082gBEEyr9E4fuu9qrSGAEnHzAtjGMeOaC2F8DOwAaBOC04 hpmvlh2MZWGoUwz47uUoBjXkcYSI6yPu8vEPehbWj7oE0v09gR5RjOSPzwZyHmOBNXTmZU4OX2ER vKADpdNJ1NJMRS9_Qey33viGwTacvmTN5lcb_bmSgJf4O44xyI1lYDE.AvERkxhDNp.ckEDCaJtK 3sehkSn2JG2yW.roFR6FkuaCQ9GggueMHNvwXGltvPQ8gfTKubvwsUvKfICW13i64ykAGCjPwX8N dgKPVxkz2O8gIKx7KiyTDE0Y- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:12:03 +0000 Received: by smtp430.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 479026fa3153da936d24d3e70ec5d8b8; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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Well then? What's the purpose to continue this thread? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 17:33:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDDEB0253 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468YSZ63vzz48fC for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565890383; x=1568482383; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=mgd/txCWBfRWLwV3/BqJtfEKUErjyupYBWVKSZGvxYw=; b=R6q0jJHKO7PD8NtkLjiJH3u8YaZ+O5s2DQc+xdO1QY5U1EU9lNw4iCxeKhwyILi/9Xix51prBTe0Vr9zu5d4QsHBbMo45HsIa12hIDoLAaM4EQ2dzU+exjIq97CEtv4veinl6Jf2mKzVg4Ouvx5od28rDpBgmN6iw5TqQjgzQZw= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjkwMDAwMDAyNGY1Y2QuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.187.94.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:32:38 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:32:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hyJc2-000Ljx-Cd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:32:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:32:34 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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Multiple servers, PXE boot > setups, VLANs and switches from different manufacturers are involved. When you have a problem in a complex setup that you wish to solve the first step (after trying whatever may be obvious and quick to try) should be to reproduce it in the simplest possible setup that you can. Often attempting to do this will reveal the true cause of the problem. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 17:48:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02454B0D9C for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468YpT6ktvz4BgM for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10B9B4E640 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:48:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OT: Re: Firefox or what? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190815182311.0c845c1b8f03875addc94a5c@gc-24.de> <20190815183234.5bd7ab7e2e426a7ae32c9bfc@sohara.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <21c291c9-f385-f912-4a2b-98d65b07667d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:48:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190815183234.5bd7ab7e2e426a7ae32c9bfc@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468YpT6ktvz4BgM X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.84)[-0.844,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.934,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.14)[-0.136,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:48:35 -0000 On 2019-08-15 12:32, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:23:11 +0200 > hw wrote: > >> There is no way to describe it quickly. Multiple servers, PXE boot >> setups, VLANs and switches from different manufacturers are involved. > > When you have a problem in a complex setup that you wish to solve > the first step (after trying whatever may be obvious and quick to try) > should be to reproduce it in the simplest possible setup that you can. > Often attempting to do this will reveal the true cause of the problem. > This list is too generous. Many people are replying with attempts to help, even though IMHO the OP is not willing to do a "homework" Steve stated above, neither is willing to put some effort into providing complete description of everything which will be necessary if someone decides to reproduce the OP's problem. Long ago when I was starting to seek help on mail lists, I read someone's writeup on mail list etiquette. One of the first points was: before posting and asking for help you need to do your own troubleshooting and when formulating the problem, reduce your case to the simplest one that gives the example of the problem you can not solve yourself. In general, the advise was to keep in mind that you are soliciting help from busy highly skilled people, and if it is not clear that you did put sufficient effort into solving your problem, you may not receive any response. This whole thread I perceive as example of how generous the Experts on this list are. I hope, this helps the OP to find appropriate general approach to solving his/her problem. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 19:39:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A85B44D0 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468cFy0d7hz4LPJ for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:38:50 -0700 Subject: Re: zfstools zfs-auto-snapshot "KEEP" argument issue To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7d828758-faeb-4afa-766d-4f1fe1cae635@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <93352dce-dd9a-9592-b4ef-fba30407821d@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:38:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7d828758-faeb-4afa-766d-4f1fe1cae635@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468cFy0d7hz4LPJ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.51)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.47), asn: 6939(-3.04), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.958,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:39:03 -0000 On 8/1/19 9:29 AM, David Christensen wrote: > Creating a snapshot with INTERVAL=foo works: > > 2019-08-01 09:11:22 toor@soho ~ > # zfs-auto-snapshot foo 9 > > 2019-08-01 09:13:23 toor@soho ~ > # ls -l /bootpool/.zfs/snapshot/ | grep foo > drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel  3 May 23 22:21 > zfs-auto-snap_foo-2019-08-01-09h13 > > > But if I wait a minute and do another run, KEEP=9 is not honored > (previous snapshot is removed, when it should have been kept): > > 2019-08-01 09:13:38 toor@soho ~ > # zfs-auto-snapshot foo 9 > > 2019-08-01 09:14:21 toor@soho ~ > # ls -l /bootpool/.zfs/snapshot/ | grep foo > drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel  3 May 23 22:21 > zfs-auto-snap_foo-2019-08-01-09h14 I forgot about a zfs-auto-snapshot feature -- if the file system does not change when zfs-aut-snapshot runs, the old snapshot is kept and any new snapshots are thrown away before the KEEP option is applied. The filesystem must change for a new snapshot to be kept: 2019-08-15 12:25:03 toor@soho ~ # zfs create bootpool/foo 2019-08-15 12:29:06 toor@soho ~ # ls -l /bootpool/foo/.zfs/snapshot/ total 0 2019-08-15 12:31:57 toor@soho ~ # zfs-auto-snapshot foo 9 2019-08-15 12:32:11 toor@soho ~ # ls -l /bootpool/foo/.zfs/snapshot | grep foo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 3 Aug 15 12:31 zfs-auto-snap_foo-2019-08-15-12h32 2019-08-15 12:33:02 toor@soho ~ # touch /bootpool/foo/bar 2019-08-15 12:33:52 toor@soho ~ # zfs-auto-snapshot foo 9 2019-08-15 12:34:01 toor@soho ~ # ls -l /bootpool/foo/.zfs/snapshot | grep foo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 3 Aug 15 12:31 zfs-auto-snap_foo-2019-08-15-12h32 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 3 Aug 15 12:31 zfs-auto-snap_foo-2019-08-15-12h33 Sorry for the noise. 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Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1496565608 Hz quality 1000 Cuse v0.1.35 @ /dev/cuse random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 netmap: loaded module module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80ff4580, 0) error 19 random: registering fast source Intel Secure Key RNG random: fast provider: "Intel Secure Key RNG" nexus0 vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 550 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET3" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET4" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET5" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET6" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0 atrtc0: Warning: Couldn't map I/O. atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43,0x50-0x53 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1808-0x180b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 vgapci0: port 0xf000-0xf03f mem 0xf7800000-0xf7bfffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0 vgapci0: Boot video device hdac0: mem 0xf7d14000-0xf7d17fff irq 16 at device 3.0 on pci0 xhci0: mem 0xf7d00000-0xf7d0ffff irq 16 at device 20.0 on pci0 xhci0: 32 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA xhci0: Port routing mask set to 0xffffffff usbus0 on xhci0 usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 pci0: at device 22.0 (no driver attached) ehci0: mem 0xf7d1c000-0xf7d1c3ff irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 usbus1 on ehci0 usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 hdac1: mem 0xf7d10000-0xf7d13fff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0 pcib1: irq 16 at device 28.0 on pci0 pcib1: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcib2: irq 18 at device 28.2 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 re0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xf7c00000-0xf7c00fff,0xf0000000-0xf0003fff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci1 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: ASPM disabled re0: Chip rev. 0x2c000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00200000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0:  none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: 74:27:ea:f5:28:86 re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 ehci1: mem 0xf7d1b000-0xf7d1b3ff irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 usbus2 on ehci1 usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 ahci0: port 0xf0b0-0xf0b7,0xf0a0-0xf0a3,0xf090-0xf097,0xf080-0xf083,0xf060-0xf07f mem 0xf7d1a000-0xf7d1a7ff irq 21 at device 31.2 on pci0 ahci0: AHCI v1.30 with 4 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier not supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahciem0: on ahci0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 acpi_tz1: on acpi0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: on ppc0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] est0: on cpu0 est1: on cpu1 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 pcm0: at nid 20,27 and 24,25,26 on hdaa1 pcm1: at nid 21 on hdaa1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 ugen0.1: <0x8086 XHCI root HUB> at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus2 uhub1: <0x8086 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub2: on usbus1 ses0 at ahciem0 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 ses0: SEMB S-E-S 2.00 device ses0: SEMB SES Device ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number Z9A0PJJV ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) ada0: quirks=0x1<4K> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0a [rw]... cd0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device cd0: Serial Number K4KD7TF5503 cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA6, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed uhub1: 17 ports with 17 removable, self powered uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ugen0.2: at usbus0 ugen2.2: at usbus2 uhub3 on uhub0 uhub3: on usbus2 ugen1.2: at usbus1 uhub4 on uhub2 uhub4: on usbus1 uhub4: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered random: unblocking device. ugen0.3: at usbus0 ugen0.4: at usbus0 ukbd0 on uhub1 ukbd0: on usbus0 kbd2 at ukbd0 ukbd1 on uhub1 ukbd1: on usbus0 kbd3 at ukbd1 re0: link state changed to DOWN ugen0.5: at usbus0 re0: link state changed to UP ubt0 on uhub1 ubt0: on usbus0 uhid0 on uhub1 uhid0: on usbus0 ums0 on uhub1 ums0: on usbus0 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() WARNING pid 1032 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 WARNING pid 1033 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 WARNING pid 1034 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP ugen0.3: at usbus0 (disconnected) ugen0.3: at usbus0 re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP WARNING pid 17227 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 WARNING pid 17228 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 WARNING pid 17229 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP WARNING pid 33447 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 WARNING pid 33448 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 WARNING pid 33449 (python2.7): ioctl sign-extension ioctl ffffffff80087467 re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP ... net.local.stream.recvspace: 8192 On 8/14/19 5:20 PM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 14/08/2019 13:47, Eric wrote: >> … Let me know what other logs might be useful … > > To know whether you have worked around a known bug: > > sysctl net.local.stream.recvspace > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 06:29:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C25DC1909 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x62c.google.com (mail-pl1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468thr11Lrz3MHB for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pl1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id 4so2028716pld.10 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:29:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KgiG9SNBRIQXvbhAQbmUeIxqn8NlFxWB7zpAbE3QWkI=; b=D2pdJqhnY7ZXvB81ig0RT7mcqt5mNVHTMYarSk7SYzaWhuqXH3X+bklplTEK2tnASB kxCdNPKBGcbrDiNfJ/ftOhzh5BzPntuzF4hP/FSS9E6vC7ek542D5auyPiZLdOqI35gU 4gnoINynW+g4/nIhnaVo+FkZZApRUCh/1xPjofxIDI/Cp8SPXPfBO7LPF4V0ZHl0tR8N Cqpd0/8Zh4YrVpiDsa3dXYVtlX7SVjmcOpZ7m5Sv/J0VcPc+cJ2Ikpit4xI+QXwmwgjV CwMkpc+OiOpstXHzo1QoLyhQ0gOE0gMRCEBkB1LX9QOIbpjReGSufseFQQRNjAPjYGHq lChQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KgiG9SNBRIQXvbhAQbmUeIxqn8NlFxWB7zpAbE3QWkI=; b=U0QxwySUrmFG4qT6Cc8u5zZ8tbdpmsQ/cvB3UjKXfxWZwTfDFI1i4PXynOc9/SypvT 7FoJmvX6tuoDpRFOf9H/UL99w6WyhkJ3LYwCWELUxJNhHHnQ0C/7QrWa87v/+J8HFi4g /y33z4C2dATJsGGVt196Xn9usfpihoNbLHAtMu8aWN5CDK3yyAdC2YkDlpzelw9zX1Pr Mh2IAoAb6tce/oMOU4fFTvQ/BDBHmANT1r7yY1Sp0uuLvBkLoPOydMEHo9Ke8Wj16ycz cOXlATbMP9cgKhSwX3DqdPDF4stagnBPxUt9MNhOfR2edSa7cm86PTAl8YjHT4CjYOmS gTMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUXgYJHosUJEQE5XXSVLzc00BiiXuvcgXOdVcPE/DF8M/6YbVvc LQmf9hxoPPVlgZAlNgce7YxWXVNI X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwY4qDB/7vgkp1d56CAWnxsyhNSAwlOehUR+6zF3V8LV3CJeYjgZz9KEtRfs2NLL+qpixlmBw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b789:: with SMTP id e9mr7659443pls.294.1565936986277; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (C-59-101-167-216.mel.connect.net.au. 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To: hw , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> From: MJ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 16:29:38 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468thr11Lrz3MHB X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=D2pdJqhn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mafsys1234@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mafsys1234@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[216.167.101.59.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.89), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:29:49 -0000 On 16/08/2019 3:04 am, hw wrote: > > [...] >>> I'm not trying to fix the NFS problems FreeBSD has. >> >> No one was asking you to report a supposed bug/problem. Some on this >> list were just prepared to help you with your undisclosed issue >> concerning NFS. > > Yes, and I appreciate the helpfulness. > > Quite a few people were asking for more information, and I haven't provided > much because it would be way too time consuming to go into it. > >> Back to Linux, hey. > > Do you have a better idea? This isn't freebsd-advocate, so, no, you're free to use whatever suits your needs, knowledge and capabilities. If that's some distribution of GNU/Linux then go for it. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:29:17 -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-emulation stated: >I run head versions of FreeBSD under Hyper-V under >Windows 10 Pro (1903 in recent times), normally the >primary use of the Windows 10 Pro machine is for >running FreeBSD this way. (The same FreeBSD >installation can native boot, depending on BIOS >vintage.) > >I have had two Windows 10 Pro SYNTHETIC_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT >(0x1ca) bug checks while building ports via poudriere-devel >recently, the first such bug checks that I've ever gotten. > >I've no way to attribute causes so far, be it FreeBSD, >Windows 10 Pro, or whatever. The most recent such bug >check was while running head -r351102 today (2019-Aug-15) >but the prior was on 2019-Aug-7. Have you tried using the "Windows Feedback" app to report the error? 1) Login to your Windows 10 system. 2) Click on the Start button. 3) In the search box, type "Windows Feedback". 4) Click on "Windows Feedback" app that appears in search results. When the Feedback app launches, select a category from the left and then select a sub-category. Are you using the latest version of Hyper-V? --=20 Carmel --Sig_/VKeX1CHZo4aPZVYWoK/6ds/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl1WlvkACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQQdwf7BjVcp8aevlDuugCq3yC6hw3f2BaxQzMw5I/daEcjN3gLpVY/kY4XFSd0 dfDaSBktlEjLyNfFd0yYijh6FOaGQDH6xYgBPM7se1QbB0dvicL6hqY/nQFG3NP5 p7rXHgC5Nm6ZAdMUJTByKI2LFkk8V0g7fr67HEcX9cGOp+ddOMppsQ+Sl8P5muUI lr97o8mfAsjjTtDACaIYTchfsWFE8lx38yFSkFx8M/q4PAESGkbMtm6c21KkRd+f lW+BXaWQgGhvqY+qlhBjVOQ3LgfUMokb46837mrJY/repX5xP6JYmA9neolXeLcq 8rcyIslGFlu/BTtS2ZxWIYM8I4ANQg== =MQRo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/VKeX1CHZo4aPZVYWoK/6ds/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 04:06:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E51BA60D for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 04:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail8.networktest.com (mail8.networktest.com [192.73.244.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469RSj5d90z3x7G for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 04:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail8.networktest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail8.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303036F4264 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 21:06:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=networktest.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-language:content-type :content-type:mime-version:user-agent:date:date:message-id :organization:subject:subject:from:from:to; s=dkim; t= 1566014771; x=1566619572; bh=FL9VInxISKeiDfDMXUHqFdYvgiTF94dX3Bn tWhobzyU=; b=XToOuOE7vN87Yg05T5o0QE9dVWa9RwQzJAn6qK9dTqtkA62vjOE QhnlN8dDfoZXOGFhLY46PU6BqKAzh/ziYnMLv7kaA7n5VJSzaf5S8c9wY3CLeHud X81kMGzBl9E8X6jRi2zhhN2/QssmYc53m5iVrw2JEazg+s26cwo/Vpvk= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail8.networktest.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=x tagged_above=-100 required=1 WHITELISTED tests=[] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail8.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail8.networktest.com (mail8.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id SKYvXJsRuLrh for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 21:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tejay.local (cpe-75-82-86-131.socal.res.rr.com [75.82.86.131]) by mail8.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C660C6F4254 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 21:06:11 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Newman Subject: intermittent network failures with drill and icinga2 Organization: Network Test Inc. 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Asking because around 5x-10x per day, icinga2 returns an error because this system can't resolve a hostname to an IP address. However, the system is reachable by ssh during these error periods, and it _can_ resolve hostnames when using ping. Here's an example where drill doesn't work and ping does: [dnewman@hood ~]$ drill mail.networktest.com @puck.nether.net Error: error sending query: Could not send or receive, because of network error [dnewman@hood ~]$ ping puck.nether.net PING puck.nether.net (204.42.254.5): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 204.42.254.5: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=76.332 ms [dnewman@hood ~]$ drill mail.networktest.com @puck.nether.net Error: error sending query: Could not send or receive, because of network error The /etc/resolv.conf file points to two internal nameservers, both reachable: [dnewman@hood ~]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf search inf.networktest.com networktest.com nameserver 172.31.53.12 nameserver 172.31.53.13 Also, icinga2 resolves hundreds of hostnames but almost exclusively this problem occurs when doing a check on puck.nether.net. I don't think there's anything wrong with puck.nether.net DNS or reachability; even this system can ping it, and I can resolve it from any other host. Other host checks and networking on this system otherwise work fine. Thanks in advance for clues on what might cause these intermittent failures in drill and icinga2, and what to do to fix them. dn ps. This system is a VMware VM. I don't believe it's a VMware issue, however; aside from periodic inability to reach one host its networking works OK, and all other server VMs on the same VMware host with similar network configurations don't have this issue. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <5cf06276-5b83-dc43-9a66-6dd2489391de@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:23:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469brL1vBfz4Djc X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.51)[ip: (-5.08), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-2.54), asn: 30722(0.02), country: IT(0.03)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:23:47 -0000 On 8/15/19 7:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > Well then? What's the purpose to continue this thread? While continuing this thread down the slope it got (with useless arguments on netiquette, release engineering, supposed NFS incompatibilities, etc...) is a nonsense, I think half the OP's original question still holds, i.e.: what viable browsers (other than FireFox) do we have available in the port collection? Some times ago, when PaleMoon was removed, I felt the need to find an alternative. Searching the www categories and excluding text-only browsers, still yields a lot of results. Some are too lightweight (read: they can't make "modern" useless-javascript-crap-infested sites work), some just crash... trying them all would be a huge task. So I hoped to collect experiences on this. bye & Thanks av. 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Message-ID: <34e81f2a-83c5-6de8-a220-42aa9b9f1e7a@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:38:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469r7x5TKgz4fwQ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=fh5RSG8L; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of noneucgeo1854@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::431 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=noneucgeo1854@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[16.238.90.76.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.12), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.95), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:38:07 -0000 On 7/13/19 5:00 AM, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: >> When I use the following command, I get packages with timestamp >> installed in epoch Unix time. Is there any way to format that date into >> month, day and year? >> >> pkg query %n-%t > Judging from "man pkg-query", the %t information (timestamp > of installation) cannot be changed into a different format. > > But according to "man date" and "man strftime", there is a > solution, which is only_half_ a solution because my script > foo fails to provide a way to keep the package name, but hey, > the dates_can_ be converted. > > pkg query %n/%t | cut -d '/' -f 2 | xargs -n 1 -J @ date -j -f "%s" @ "+%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S" > > I didn't find a way to feed one information of the $n/%t > pair unaltered and uninterpreted (!) into date, but the > conversion of the date Epoch -> YYYY-MM-DD_HH:MM:SS works. > With an enclosing script it would probably be much easier, > but at the moment, I can only provide this one-liner as an > inspiration for further coding...:-) Here's a modified version of your solution in awk: # pkg query %n/%t | awk '{ print $1 } { system("date -j -f \"%s\" " $NF " 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