From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Tue Dec 17 22:55:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D11CC738 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 22:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47ctl26FFkz3NVD for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 22:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from John-Baldwins-MacBook-Pro-7.local (ralph.baldwin.cx [66.234.199.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88E48CC59 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 22:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> <20191205035843.GA3392@lonesome.com> From: John Baldwin Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=jhb@FreeBSD.org; keydata= mQGiBETQ+XcRBADMFybiq69u+fJRy/0wzqTNS8jFfWaBTs5/OfcV7wWezVmf9sgwn8TW0Dk0 c9MBl0pz+H01dA2ZSGZ5fXlmFIsee1WEzqeJzpiwd/pejPgSzXB9ijbLHZ2/E0jhGBcVy5Yo /Tw5+U/+laeYKu2xb0XPvM0zMNls1ah5OnP9a6Ql6wCgupaoMySb7DXm2LHD1Z9jTsHcAQMD /1jzh2BoHriy/Q2s4KzzjVp/mQO5DSm2z14BvbQRcXU48oAosHA1u3Wrov6LfPY+0U1tG47X 1BGfnQH+rNAaH0livoSBQ0IPI/8WfIW7ub4qV6HYwWKVqkDkqwcpmGNDbz3gfaDht6nsie5Z pcuCcul4M9CW7Md6zzyvktjnbz61BADGDCopfZC4of0Z3Ka0u8Wik6UJOuqShBt1WcFS8ya1 oB4rc4tXfSHyMF63aPUBMxHR5DXeH+EO2edoSwViDMqWk1jTnYza51rbGY+pebLQOVOxAY7k do5Ordl3wklBPMVEPWoZ61SdbcjhHVwaC5zfiskcxj5wwXd2E9qYlBqRg7QeSm9obiBCYWxk d2luIDxqaGJARnJlZUJTRC5vcmc+iGAEExECACAFAkTQ+awCGwMGCwkIBwMCBBUCCAMEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRBy3lIGd+N/BI6RAJ9S97fvbME+3hxzE3JUyUZ6vTewDACdE1stFuSfqMvM jomvZdYxIYyTUpC5Ag0ERND5ghAIAPwsO0B7BL+bz8sLlLoQktGxXwXQfS5cInvL17Dsgnr3 1AKa94j9EnXQyPEj7u0d+LmEe6CGEGDh1OcGFTMVrof2ZzkSy4+FkZwMKJpTiqeaShMh+Goj XlwIMDxyADYvBIg3eN5YdFKaPQpfgSqhT+7El7w+wSZZD8pPQuLAnie5iz9C8iKy4/cMSOrH YUK/tO+Nhw8Jjlw94Ik0T80iEhI2t+XBVjwdfjbq3HrJ0ehqdBwukyeJRYKmbn298KOFQVHO EVbHA4rF/37jzaMadK43FgJ0SAhPPF5l4l89z5oPu0b/+5e2inA3b8J3iGZxywjM+Csq1tqz hltEc7Q+E08AAwUIAL+15XH8bPbjNJdVyg2CMl10JNW2wWg2Q6qdljeaRqeR6zFus7EZTwtX sNzs5bP8y51PSUDJbeiy2RNCNKWFMndM22TZnk3GNG45nQd4OwYK0RZVrikalmJY5Q6m7Z16 4yrZgIXFdKj2t8F+x613/SJW1lIr9/bDp4U9tw0V1g3l2dFtD3p3ZrQ3hpoDtoK70ioIAjjH aIXIAcm3FGZFXy503DOA0KaTWwvOVdYCFLm3zWuSOmrX/GsEc7ovasOWwjPn878qVjbUKWwx Q4QkF4OhUV9zPtf9tDSAZ3x7QSwoKbCoRCZ/xbyTUPyQ1VvNy/mYrBcYlzHodsaqUDjHuW+I SQQYEQIACQUCRND5ggIbDAAKCRBy3lIGd+N/BCO8AJ9j1dWVQWxw/YdTbEyrRKOY8YZNwwCf afMAg8QvmOWnHx3wl8WslCaXaE8= Message-ID: <411df638-0f12-81af-eca7-181af93f0230@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:55:08 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191205035843.GA3392@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 22:55:11 -0000 On 12/4/19 7:58 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 05:34:46PM -0600, Joe Kozak wrote: >> I put my vote of support in for someone doing some updating if >> possible. > > Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in volunteer projects. > > I estimate it would take 1-3 months to fix the toolchain -- which > would only save us the existing systems (manufactured up to 2005). > When I last looked at sun4v (the newer systems) I estimated 3-5 > months. > > That's full-time activity from someone who *used* to do systems > work, but has not for many years, and would have to come up to > speed on 18 zillion things. > > mcl > > (fwiw I am a software engineer, ergo, my estimates suck.) Fixing the toolchain is probably less than 1-3 months. I have a freebsd-gcc9 port that I haven't posted for review yet, but it hits the same snag (assertion failure in ld.bfd) that freebsd-gcc6 hits. I think the assertion failure is wrong and needs to use >= instead of >, but I just haven't sat down and looked at it in a debugger to see the exact values at the time of the assertion failure. However, I think even once you get it building there might be a few more bumps with getting things like PCPU_* working in the kernel correctly. I probably won't get to it anytime soon, and sparc64 really needs multiple active folks to keep it viable. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Thu Dec 19 11:12:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D731DD46E for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alan@thelivingdogjournal.com) Received: from thelivingdogjournal.com (thelivingdogjournal.com [82.148.16.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47dq3m10XNz4Yhp for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alan@thelivingdogjournal.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thelivingdogjournal.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:List-Unsubscribe: Message-ID:Sender:From:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive ; bh=ru7uLnCsPqJC8P1MbnyLWzANTFxdwEete40s2UH3urw=; b=TQskOnh7s39CFbi9kVqnSGAu 6BvFYyGwprnGj2oQC9Dyh6ew0F3CKE21DbwHdOz4gnQ6HfbNZEaL0vfoKdSs47x8dHlDdyttJj2+7 l8qF4gJ5Avtqlag2R68uMJgw1yKh3dj6HoNgsoj4bcBlglaxxW8KdDk4XoLOMYNd8piLuM=; To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Get_started_and_discover_how_to_isolate_=E2=80=9Cresting_trends?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9D, _buy_them, _and_watch_them_snap_back_to_life?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:12:42 +0000 From: Quinn Silvester Sender: alan@thelivingdogjournal.com Message-ID: <21040556916.507984@thelivingdogjournal.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47dq3m10XNz4Yhp X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=thelivingdogjournal.com header.s=default header.b=TQskOnh7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=thelivingdogjournal.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of alan@thelivingdogjournal.com designates 82.148.16.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=alan@thelivingdogjournal.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[thelivingdogjournal.com:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RBL_MAILSPIKE_WORST(2.00)[19.16.148.82.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.10]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.986,0]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[thelivingdogjournal.com:+]; MIME_BASE64_TEXT(0.10)[]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[thelivingdogjournal.com,none]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(0.73)[ipnet: 82.148.16.0/22(2.04), asn: 50340(1.60), country: RU(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:50340, ipnet:82.148.16.0/22, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:12:53 -0000 SGkuDQpFbWFpbDogZnJlZWJzZC1zcGFyYzY0QGZyZWVic2Qub3JnDQoNCk91ciBJbnRlcm5hdGlv bmFsIGNvbXBhbnkgY29uc2lzdHMgb2YgYWJvdXQgMzUgSW50ZXJuZXQgcHJvamVjdHMgcmVsYXRl ZA0KdG8gY3J5cHRvIGN1cnJlbmNpZXMgYW5kIElDTy4gTm93IHdlIHJlY3J1aXQgc3RhZmYgZnJv bSBhcm91bmQgdGhlIHdvcmxkLg0KDQpDSEVDSyBJVCBPVVQgSEVSRSANCg0KUHJpbWFyeSBzYWxh cnkgJDIwMGsgcGVyIHllYXIgRS13b3JrZXJzIHdhbnRlZC4NCg0KLSBObyBTa2lsbHMgUmVxdWly ZWQNCg0KLSBObyBQcmV2aW91cyBXb3JrIEV4cGVyaWVuY2UgTmVlZGVkDQoNCi0gTm8gQ3J5cHRv IFRyYWRpbmcgRXhwZXJpZW5jZSBOZWVkZWQNCg0KT3VyIFJlcXVpcmVtZW50czoNCg0KPj4gSW50 ZXJuZXQgYWNjZXNzDQoNCj4+IENvbXB1dGVyIGtub3dsZWRnZQ0KDQo+PiBBIGZldyBob3VycyBv ZiBmcmVlIHRpbWUgZGFpbHkNCg0KPj4gU2hhcnAgTWluZA0KDQpBdmVyYWdlIGluY29tZSBpcyAk MzM0IHBlciBkYXksIHBhcnQtdGltZSwgbm8gc2V0IGhvdXJzLg0KDQpBdCB0aGUgbW9tZW50IHRo ZXJlIGFyZSAyMSB2YWNhbmN5IGxlZnQuDQoNCkNIRUNLIElUIE9VVCBIRVJFDQoNCkJlc3QgcmVn YXJkcywNCg0KR2FicmllbCBNb250ZXMNCg0KSFIgT2ZmaWNlDQoNClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlDQoNCkFy Y2FNYXggUHVibGlzaGluZywgSW5jLiwgNzI5IFRoaW1ibGUgU2hvYWxzIEJsdmQuLCBTdWl0ZSAx LUIsIE5ld3BvcnQgTmV3cywgVkEgMjM2MDY=