From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 5 17:02:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB5E1DADD7 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml-ktk@netlabs.org) Received: from r2-d2.netlabs.org (r2-d2.netlabs.org [213.238.45.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47rQ1V1WQ5z4VMT for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml-ktk@netlabs.org) Received: (qmail 66049 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jan 2020 17:02:35 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 66045, pid: 66047, t: 0.0307s scanners:none Received: from unknown (HELO whiteroom.metropolis.netlabs.org) (ml-ktk@netlabs.org@213.144.156.18) by 0 with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2020 17:02:35 -0000 Subject: Re: phpMyAdmin can't find hash() in Apache 2.4 with PHP 7.4 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5363c3c4-6374-b15e-cd1b-b84469724d20@netlabs.org> From: Adrian Gschwend Message-ID: <76981365-396d-7bfb-28cc-9e67b644e215@netlabs.org> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:02:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5363c3c4-6374-b15e-cd1b-b84469724d20@netlabs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47rQ1V1WQ5z4VMT X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml-ktk@netlabs.org has no SPF policy when checking 213.238.45.90) smtp.mailfrom=ml-ktk@netlabs.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.56 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netlabs.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.93)[0.927,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.45.238.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9211, ipnet:213.238.32.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.73)[ipnet: 213.238.32.0/20(4.85), asn: 9211(3.82), country: DE(-0.02)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:02:39 -0000 On 03.01.20 18:34, Adrian Gschwend wrote: > And I get a hash as expected. However, if I run the same file from > Apache 2.4, I get "undefined function" as well, same like the > phpMyAdmin error message above. FYI I solved the issue, if I would have payed better attention to the version string in phpinfo() I would have noticed, that I somehow installed mod_php72 instead of mod_php74... All good now with correct mod_php version. regards Adrian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 5 17:39:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127B81DF431 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi) Received: from box.zxas.fi (box.zxas.fi [IPv6:2a05:b9c0::1:0:a4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47rQrD0Hryz4XJx for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.111.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by box.zxas.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B84D7E4E2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:39:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.111.174]) by zero.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972D333C42 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:39:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.111.174]) by thunderbolt.my.domain (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 005HdM9s094801 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:39:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ejk@thunderbolt.my.domain) Received: from authenticated-user (box.zxas.fi [185.87.111.174]) by thunderbolt.my.domain (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 005HdM8e094800 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:39:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ejk) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:39:22 +0200 From: Esa Karkkainen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poudriere erased my system Message-ID: <20200105173922.GA45584@pp.htv.fi> Mail-Followup-To: Esa Karkkainen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200104085443.000007ab@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200104085443.000007ab@seibercom.net> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47rQrD0Hryz4XJx X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: FI(-0.09)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zxas.fi:~]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[zxas.fi,quarantine]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[zxas.fi:s=mail]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[freebsd.lists@zxas.fi,a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:201057, ipnet:2a05:b9c0::/29, country:FI]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[freebsd.lists@zxas.fi, a199e59c87e914e7b5fdb9459865d66e@zxas.fi] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:39:41 -0000 On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 08:54:43AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > Well, another day, another ordeal. “poudriere’ hosed my system. What is or was BASEFS set to in your poudriere.conf file? Best regards, Esa -- "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams 1952 - 2001 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 5 19:36:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358161E3D18 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic311-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic311-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.131.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47rTQd75dPz4fxH for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-YMail-OSG: yA5kPzgVM1lpttCtxkMzcwLj1_9B2VOREutOlNYMJSJrp6K98re43GsuUbEqaXU FXQvXIDcaY3vVrUPCj2o5IqOrpdXncTx3ksC9twHAJT1UGJ2nvLN9JVu6cqJrXfRqaO3aLSnYdky m_KiPYCbjFlsXCy6Vw_.VzZaqQ7ziO_2.ujQWCniiJtUSDtBJF4ySOIZO_uY2bGr8Q8VAM0qDoFm QRmD8.e3lPdKc2.3DRD3p6nh1esdXgS7.u8f7H.VQBURb1jqwf8v8cPltkACBhA6A2oETia2.8pY G74m6tnYGmnYschZ9H4hb3I1EZBthIYFolCvu3_e5l02R0wTH.Bmz2ic2rqq3Af1uDR4JF0ZR.XZ C0P80l85UaBq1WJA6YiGmhLEbQgwberHh9TJ5_wDDTr6fEB2mNwDvhTnB_Nl8PutXpGthVb_IV3S Q42bW6xWEKofTmx8QU4lg_IcXIJkInMw.KFIazURBzW6ijU030ST4H8HcZC6_BxdliZMO3jXmCmM usISwNj0zLGTNd2OxI10iY4brIeVJNBMiqfXbI0_sa2F0c_Q8zm0ezVZRWDnYKZOBlI60VHuOWzt Cm3vFWK4oALO3JJl.Km3iiIOCPXkl15t6WxV9HP0_ZuvTiUw13OdeTm6Vh2eekNGjIgItxKdLPUa h3m5NvRZPAE3ItfL59ieJWCh_Yjp9jrAq06H9RGSGejCl7ZqABEtKjfXERxolZ1fAWv5zlox06Mr aVfykbJjc9SsW1zYGcUHrHYtK9lJh3A0LopZfw.DAnj0pS_CPToLoi6pW_ezr2n3fArAVitTp3gN aI47VIuVAxpMwtTcislYpqq9U5wQzPEhNEeuZGpkVJJEbHcdzCHwR8xRvCPeuhIcK67BXTjFjuwk tA6jz1n13HqvFgSsOAxFjDgePg7b_zBe.iUH7Clk5RVClYxzKSyWRBMb.u1c6uiY94TYAnfrK75j ANZpD_EKbLXVSFaBODbmbk8UaQc08x9Zjo2HEnfJNsSnE8Do933bW1rYnE0TzHCFpX7T_nttOCJL XuMhszLp0j6LAutIbBRM8b0_it5twHRdEH6b2gM.OJeb74CZaTu44vydcuOLov9w27AfiguxOowc mhTyxmXpkZ2kNurEAHACkm8lOF1bSi.5dbPxLk8EO9D4kv.hTV_F0W6uzeSUVE9S2X0bgKod8Bij 24v4c3WtmBXqSJoA0R4lkx.apSPKlJ1hx2PfOwaG6DqR.imlgF87_Aq7Q5f7MTWIKWEaLI.m.2hp gvZpQPhgfE4tK8rb.EzFfhJmJ3UpBUfQWRkyX7eiKDEh_aVKWsPQJgrfddr2of3FSObBVy9mbwHi ZKFfojIIFwrYJpG.bNvwVBzQsDGOKZaMn1YdlFGFJ.7oIQQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:36:08 +0000 Received: by smtp432.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 939c353cea681e55a4fa82ca800f9d18; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 19:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 14:36:05 -0500 From: "Vlad D. Markov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: I do not understand this Message-Id: <20200105143605.ff59d3ed0aedcfcc727495ff@aim.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20200105143605.ff59d3ed0aedcfcc727495ff.ref@aim.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47rTQd75dPz4fxH X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.470,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.64)[-0.635,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[124.131.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.21), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.31), asn: 26101(1.05), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 19:36:11 -0000 I moved my desktop from Debian to FreeBSD. In my previous .xinitrc I would start Sylphhed like so: sylpheed & I noticed after moving to FreeBSD that sylpheed would often just lock up meaning it would not respond to the mouse or key presses. I changed the invocation to: sylpheed >/dev/null 2>&1 & No more problems after that. Firefox would lock up when invoked by the fluxbox keys. Again changing the invocation from "firefox &" to firefox >/dev/null 2>&1 &" solved the problem. I have no idea of why that worked nor why the behavior is different in FreeBSD than Debian. The only commonality I see is that my problem apps all used GTK. -- Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. 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Markov via freebsd-questions" yazm=FD=FE: >=20 > Firefox would lock up when invoked by the fluxbox keys. Again > changing the invocation from "firefox &" to firefox >/dev/null 2>&1 > &" solved the problem. > I only start xscreensaver and window manager via .xinitrc file. Rest is run from a window manager's menu. It works that way. >=20 I assume FLUXBOX is the windows manager tah tsi running on FreeeBSD.=20 > > I have no idea of why that worked nor why the behavior is different > in FreeBSD than Debian. >=20 It is better to start appilications (GTK or QT4/5 etc.) from Fluxbox menu. I had similar issiues with Fluxbox espcially when I wnat to run anapplication from "Fluxbox Command". 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 07:57:36 -0000 Hello Everyone, I am Saurabh Sihag, new to the developers world. I would like to start contributing to open source and start working FreeBSD. I am highly proficient in C++/C, python and Docker(for deployment). Can you suggest me the skills I should start working on so that i can start contributing in FreeBSD, also some good beginners bug. Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 6 11:24:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91CE1D1990 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:24:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47rtSW4fGsz4b5D for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.89.229]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MA7Om-1iyu5S3cF8-00BcIf; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 12:24:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:24:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Saurabh Sihag Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seeking guidance for contribute in FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200106122408.d56ff02c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XtROb+kRpG7PlCbYLtg5NW+Q0kEecSlyJtFnVvbC3hPZpuSz8aW Tg9fQ/B9TX0RazDHlXZSVd6BloSjKBlKo9MHN6R5tAXcQ8k/oFKNmRlmfF/kPxUC6IrJ6Sg /7oLug8LgM006p8JyvUmHwbGMoDNJIaX6y+mdc+Fc38dM+2pF1pRTzFmQ+PUFKyvArWqXs/ yPm9keNGqzA4gYIlrUbZg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:+q7wxIKsj2s=:WdBENa8+s1wuBQyfzfYvfH 6hIO0Bu6ZAV7v0sxp2W2LRYm2Ya1tSsJKtcRDyrLupO/wOujeVMBiq449FESj15kFlLasJRdg b+cjJlfi4sLuF8oppNbg2DTVnpDMErlVNk0IBRHR239E0agXGA6J31rJgMVn/Fhi3BMku6U1n zxoC25ZQbym9JesusGfuWf1tMuwlq94t8Izgb6woNvtq+kcU8Z2hlFz8QB6x+X+m8+hrC9+HC X1Erf2+A+nVy551/ScDi+EOF/mta+hn5mzix+j2+BlSzJ4PkaxTECrHQdDQXs9/0xQZo6QIgY 9x17JnUv9fVAhloFeYyawWxhBBtoAKu9s9P4kJA0zzsyDMSWE4aKJ5KXrAvLZ6aXoOZAdTk6i U1SsXcbCJaJ4t5+snBuPy/SO1KeAkudgQozhCW1I6mQyu5L8bkl2HcHRbRfG4LnU3mLx3gjKF dC3Nc3yfba3u/GvTqYn0yRmKEgPEe5uSfhI6uFIMr3THqtE5VVkClWL5HihfOgeAH6v6DJrv6 eTL3WPYCjlnk18Q41jlOpq5TpDxSY9oR4ZF667r1xvHDzfwEMWinFZwBt77siHSIUFMIVn8YQ 85XBhLF9249lmpVwuWEJvnunW1ot4Ix1o7NEE8DD1lFKEmNeZFY4gxwvinM46MIGgGAzwvLpV IU3aX3Sh+ytgXIHymUVXtsZfOfe2qT1/jR24zjxME/Z0kH6MQqNKu6wagxirjeK2GUXsP4WCY VMWc27/rKkC3NHNPYl8elp/kHEmpJP/Xe5A/Iiv3h9p4NCNgizOgno4CevwkfB09oztF9Bno7 /QejvLVkT7Nx9Vq24o8I/GfVwfhdlUbJuGe8E/pdoMrgyo3e6QhfWI8kA+r+hRyNtsrRBOG/v srRHegHu+wyeh9EnjT6w== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47rtSW4fGsz4b5D X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.04)[ip: (-0.85), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.15), asn: 8560(2.23), country: DE(-0.02)]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[229.89.5.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.34)[0.338,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.924,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 11:24:13 -0000 On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 13:27:21 +0530, Saurabh Sihag wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I am Saurabh Sihag, new to the developers world. I would like to start > contributing to open source and start working FreeBSD. > I am highly proficient in C++/C, python and Docker(for deployment). > Can you suggest me the skills I should start working on so that i can start > contributing in FreeBSD, also some good beginners bug. For the basics, I'd suggest to have a look at the following resources: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ This should provide a good introduction on the toolchains and workflow. Rquipped with this knowledge, you should have a good starting point within FreeBSD development and contribution. General overview on contribution possibilities: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html Furthermore, the FreeBSD source code is of high educational value, so studying interesting parts of it is helpful. Regarding bugs: https://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/query.cgi?format=advanced -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I would like to start > contributing to open source and start working FreeBSD. > > I am highly proficient in C++/C, python and Docker(for deployment). > Can you suggest me the skills I should start working on so that i can start > contributing in FreeBSD, also some good beginners bug. First - welcome to FreeBSD! I _believe_ there are suggestions at "https://www.freebsd.org/handbook". If not, others will point you to the right location. 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I would like to start > > contributing to open source and start working FreeBSD. > > I am highly proficient in C++/C, python and Docker(for deployment). > > Can you suggest me the skills I should start working on so that i can > > start > > contributing in FreeBSD, also some good beginners bug. > > For the basics, I'd suggest to have a look at the following > resources: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ > > This should provide a good introduction on the toolchains and > workflow. Rquipped with this knowledge, you should have a good > starting point within FreeBSD development and contribution. > > General overview on contribution possibilities: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html > > Furthermore, the FreeBSD source code is of high educational > value, so studying interesting parts of it is helpful. > > Regarding bugs: > > https://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/query.cgi?format=advanced Hi, I have similar questions and some of them are already answered, thanks Polytropon! I am Linux refugee, seeking asylum from systemd menace:) I am planning in installing FreeBSD on my Lenovo X1 Extreme laptop. In particular are there any similar resources about kernel? I am interested in studying kernel and drivers development so any high-level overview of the kernel subsystems and their interconnection would help a lot. Thanks! -- Ihor Antonov https://useplaintext.email From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 6 18:53:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB5E1E0759 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pbnet.dk) Received: from fedtmule.pbnet.dk (fedtmule.pbnet.dk [95.154.31.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47s4QX0xQwz44Lr for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pbnet.dk) Received: from [172.19.10.12] (pmh-pc.mh.local [172.19.10.12]) by fedtmule.pbnet.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7240D80FAFC for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:53:00 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Poul_M=c3=b8ller_Hansen?= Subject: Unable to link port graphics/gdal Message-ID: <1fbf1447-3334-4008-ab38-93be37bbd290@pbnet.dk> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:52:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: da X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47s4QX0xQwz44Lr X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pbnet.dk:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.979,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pbnet.dk:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[pbnet.dk,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.69)[asn: 39642(3.45), country: DK(-0.02)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:39642, ipnet:95.154.0.0/18, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:53:10 -0000 I have no success in making the latest version of gdal-2.4.3_1, it fails when linking. # freebsd-version 11.3-RELEASE-p5 c++ -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -fstack-protector-strong gdalinfo_bin.o -L/disk1/ports/graphics/gdal/work/gdal-2.4.3 -lgdal -lcrypto -lproj -ljson-c -ljasper -lgif -ljpeg -lgeotiff -ltiff -lpng -llzma -lz -L/usr -L/usr/lib -lpthread -lm -lrt -ldl -L/usr/local/lib -o gdalinfo /disk1/ports/graphics/gdal/work/gdal-2.4.3/libgdal.so: undefined reference to `EVP_MD_CTX_new' /disk1/ports/graphics/gdal/work/gdal-2.4.3/libgdal.so: undefined reference to `EVP_MD_CTX_free' c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) gmake[3]: *** [GNUmakefile:82: gdalinfo] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/disk1/ports/graphics/gdal/work/gdal-2.4.3/apps' gmake[2]: *** [GNUmakefile:112: apps-target] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/disk1/ports/graphics/gdal/work/gdal-2.4.3' *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /disk1/ports/graphics/gdal *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /disk1/ports/graphics/gdal The symbols 'EVP_MD_CTX_new' and 'EVP_MD_CTX_free' is present # nm -gDC /usr/local/lib/libssl.so | egrep "EVP_MD_CTX_new|EVP_MD_CTX_free"                  U EVP_MD_CTX_free                  U EVP_MD_CTX_new So I guess the problem is, that it uses the systems openssl version when linking # openssl version OpenSSL 1.0.2s-freebsd  28 May 2019 # pkg info openssl openssl-1.1.1d,1 How can I have it using the ports version? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 7 12:02:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7341D840B for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 12:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdasyg@ieee.org) Received: from mail-ot1-x32b.google.com (mail-ot1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47sWGZ0w46z4485 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 12:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdasyg@ieee.org) Received: by mail-ot1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id a15so76129235otf.1 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 04:02:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ixmexBKMQcDLahJq5zlWOUYqn5wsLS5JyMlOeFHRKtE=; b=P6pExFKcxAQ9cHVDTD10EYD2NIjKAp/1ybB4qkBiQfJU6P3DKmnKZtnvpxbGlbW4HB Q0/48bFa54hwqj6BwT/9ofMEDvli5lzQJT2sip2hIa80g+G4y9wXFweckFDPqf6fXyzs 21DGzrEBSvAs80FvNAXpGHUqmmvO/w/T10hso= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ixmexBKMQcDLahJq5zlWOUYqn5wsLS5JyMlOeFHRKtE=; b=CZVERWqkRGHEqxFluHFU8yca7R7gZdazr3X5sLplLQp5TicLPAua/fTRfvtf+Gv2W1 QXTe+gW4542RJv1Bbf5X/QSSBTuGtakCwnU2T3QOaP95niJDRhgHZzwd4ktzcawa5D+A oI5Aysmtt5QUqiGa0Eo5fwoBb2zQ8SonMcDMTObmBn4AHf9DmesYrgje6ZJAXHQcLKRg vmDvHfLYxS4EELjoIvtZ1X1o33FopFm0+iX6N6n5F/H9sIaxN2t4PZM9cVTUe3676uFT kFabVK5HSkvIcG/iV4+JZCkReLUkiLm3/KJvtArd6c4Jp5qG7e3mmZCEyrNWdQo9UrzS xyeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXfobjpydg4RW1ft3mnw4XxHnRFlhmlvoTe/KWfCYosemRgJZHH e8r/xM99GfBU5udzAqrXi1MjGSOaZGPcs38u9J1QlZlQwAM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzzG7P3ovv0YHroh8ryecCT//ASV40zA6dReaTbjDXM8mgWVTsiufevKk/4gwRp82TgpmWviNL2iYK8pm6XN9s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:9a:: with SMTP id a26mr112771401oto.131.1578398564585; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 04:02:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Minas Dasygenis Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:02:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: New Tool: Map bad blocks g_vfs or smartmon LBA_of_first_error to files To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47sWGZ0w46z4485 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ieee.org header.s=google header.b=P6pExFKc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ieee.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mdasyg@ieee.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mdasyg@ieee.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ieee.org:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[ieee.org.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.9.2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ieee.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ieee.org,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.42)[ip: (-8.06), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.12), asn: 15169(-1.85), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 12:02:47 -0000 Dear all, I am releasing a tool that I have created for my FreeBSD servers, that can check /var/log/messages and smartctl output and locate automatically the file that carries the bad sector (if there is). Many times I needed a tool like this when I was a novice FreeBSD user, and I was not able to find it. Only some expert tips on using a plethora of tools, but a complete example was missing. So I decided to contribute to FreeBSD. It is written in pure sh. Feel free to send me patches to post them. It has been tested in some of the FreeBSD 12 servers that I administer. It is located at the link http://arch.ece.uowm.gr/mdasyg/misc/hard_disk_locate_bad_sector_from_vfs_smartctl.sh in my page http://arch.ece.uowm.gr/mdasyg/mdmiscellaneous.php --- Dr. Minas Dasygenis Electrical and Computer Engineer From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 04:31:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8E11FB3DB for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 04:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47sxBy61zXz43XJ for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 04:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:31:03 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: Request for help troubleshooting FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p5 panic Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:31:03 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47sxBy61zXz43XJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(0.70), asn: 6939(-3.57), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 04:31:07 -0000 freebsd-questions: I have a Dell PowerEdge T30: 2020-01-07 19:50:20 toor@soho ~ # freebsd-version 11.3-RELEASE-p5 2020-01-07 19:50:40 toor@soho ~ # uname -a FreeBSD soho.tracy.holgerdanske.com 11.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Tue Nov 12 08:59:04 UTC 2019 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 This machine (soho) previously ran FreeBSD 11.2 RELEASE. I created a ZFS pool using 11.2 and put several filesystems on it. Following end of support for 11.2 around Halloween, I built another machine (soho2) with FreeBSD 11.3 RELEASE and created a ZFS pool using 11.3. I replicated the filesystems from soho to soho2, migrated services, and shelved soho. Last month, I put a blank system drive in soho and installed FreeBSD 11.3 RELEASE. I have noted messages about the previously existing ZFS pool: 2020-01-07 19:56:38 toor@soho ~ # zpool status p1 pool: p1 state: ONLINE status: Some supported features are not enabled on the pool. The pool can still be used, but some features are unavailable. action: Enable all features using 'zpool upgrade'. Once this is done, the pool may no longer be accessible by software that does not support the features. See zpool-features(7) for details. scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 02:29:34 with 0 errors on Sun Aug 18 14:59:03 2019 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM p1 ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/p1a.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/p1b.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors One of the drives in soho2 has failed, so I am now trying to replicate the filesystems from soho2 back into soho. Replication works for smaller snapshots, but larger snapshots that take ~10 minutes or more cause a panic and reboot. /var/log/messages from today has some examples: http://holgerdanske.com/pub/dpchrist/issue/freebsd-11.3/20200107-panic/var-log-messages.log How do I troubleshoot this? TIA, David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 05:35:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5701FC735 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 05:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47sydJ3ztfz46TB for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 05:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; bh=vd5WIG/KTGqBqWcuPI2p9rEPuSWakTBp03odjfuUYBc=; b=nnayDpY6/SxhEK8psceOl3H6SB kYsXR2H1VCJhjvfn/bprEcW+c9K64/Fqn4MfhYKpumUeESdroVnfcjOd1iaJOEdWadZUKHGFpQpQ6 /kUa5aVS8unOm/lDOG3zQv1+7E7GMkj7zdLr8q4JFJ8JV6HAS69tFfsX35shdePk0JdI=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ip405-000D3Z-E0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:35:25 +0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:35:25 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-ID: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47sydJ3ztfz46TB X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=nnayDpY6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.26)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.44), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 05:35:34 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Xfce users, By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, rotating...)? Gimp would be an overkill. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeFWodAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0I38H/10aE30IZWPtggGFoaII9dUq eM2lOhBWdrNbZoDSGp1tZvDWMgfLgCc6DzADUm8cv4TQTPeo/neyByzx+9OKt8p5 DIh0Edt+dPj1UB6hCPanem0ozEbfl8kCGtGY2/uHDV+gBSeELBynwNag9viJcD04 EPGmklfYqHIh8LUew+eqsstVsAuf4qyBU1Lw217ppeLdBbOGqzNYqTyg5pNkhobY hXbk6K/1LAJeCwjh08zAvKTfIX1ERPo7ihQfc7HyNopDHCRXJjXY8HqFsxtSxVGg eDQ27uxm5zpwJoCsq/kYBItQLjQF/6GPhXZWK+z0YJ/O2xWBsEvY015SVelpmNE= =GLfZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 09:10:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2B91E82F5 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47t3PB6xRsz4GDV for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id D076C4E727; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 01:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Independence of file descriptor flags across forks (or lack thereof) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <94416.1578474619.1@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 01:10:19 -0800 Message-ID: <94417.1578474619@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47t3PB6xRsz4GDV X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-3.06)[ip: (-8.03), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.01), asn: 14051(-3.19), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:10:24 -0000 Having recently found a FreeBSD kernel bug that allegedly has sat unnoticed by anyone since circa 2005, I am now emboldened to think that perhaps I may have found yet another subtle kernel bug, or perhaps two, depending on one's point of view. Before I get too cocky however, I would very much appreciate another set of eyes on this, and maybe two or three. The "bug" (or non-feature), as I perceive it, exists in two quite similar flavors, one affecting good old fashioned file descriptions (associated with good old fashioned plain files) and another quite similar issue affecting POSIX message queues, whose interface was modeled after regular file operations. The following two short example programs attempt to illustrate the problem. Checking the independence of file flags (for ordinary files) across forks: https://pastebin.com/raw/AKuWJvyS Checking the independence of file flags (for mssage queues) across forks: https://pastebin.com/raw/AKuWJvyS Quite simply, I started some development work recently with the (apparently naive) belief that when a process forks, and its child process get its own "independent" copy of all of the file descriptors that are currently open in the parent process, the child would also get its own independent copy of the system-maintained "flags word" for each of those inherited file descriptor copies. The above two programs, in particular the first one, appear to disprove this theory, and may perhaps illustrate some deviance from either the letter or the spirit of relevant POSIX standards. (The second one cannot even be executed on unpatched FreeBSD kernels dating from 2005 to the present due to the other kernel bug I found recently, but both can be tried also on Linux, where they both also appear to be to display non-standards-conformant behavior, IMHO.) Very simply these programs open a regular file, or a POSIX message queue, respectively, with the flag O_NONBLOCK set on the open file or message queue. Then fork() is called, and just after that, the child fiddles it's copy of the file flags (by un-setting O_NONBLOCK) and magically, like Werner Heisenberg's famous "spooky action at a distance", the file flags over the parent process also apparently change... rather unexpectedly, at least in the caes of me personally. So dear friends, I must ask you, am I delusional? Is this all just some massive misunderstanding on my part? Is this really the way things are supposed to work, accordiding tp POSIX? Or have I discovered a heretofore unknown "quantum entanglement" of file flag words across process boundaries that actually shouldn't be there? If there is a real bug (or two) here, I'll certainly be filing at least one formal Bugzilla report. Regards, rfg P.S. Just for reference, here's the other kernel bug I just found that is preventing the second example program lined to above from executing very much at all on an unpatched FreeBSD kernel: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=243103 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 11:41:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46C31EBA23 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47t6m13bK5z4PNp for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.100.99]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M6lxe-1imNE33iQw-008FaX; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:41:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:41:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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In the past I've been using xzgv (here: "xzgv -tzf ", to be exact), but the versions after 0.8_9 have been continuously disimproved. That's why today I'd say EOG or Geeqie; I hope I got the spelling right because it's not that easy to remember all those strangely spelled made-up names... Both support manual and automatic "slide change" as well as fullscreen modes. > Gimp would be an overkill. I'm using Gimp. ;-) Have you considered trying Krita? There's also Pinta and DigiKam, but I have never used them, so I cannot provide a recommendation - I'm merely mentioning them because I remember their names in this context. :-) In the past I maybe would have suggested Xpaint, but I assume this does not longer exist, or does not support today's image format without external converting. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Independence of file descriptor flags across forks (or lack thereof) Message-Id: <20200108114244.b431a9ae0170ec947e6fb7d8@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <94417.1578474619@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <94417.1578474619@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47t6nF4nybz4PXL X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=uimw7B2W; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.922,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[ip: (-0.36), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.69), asn: 7381(0.41), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:42:58 -0000 On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 01:10:19 -0800 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > Quite simply, I started some development work recently with the > (apparently naive) belief that when a process forks, and its child > process get its own "independent" copy of all of the file descriptors It does - but file descriptors are just integers - see the open manpage. > that are currently open in the parent process, the child would also get > its own independent copy of the system-maintained "flags word" for each > of those inherited file descriptor copies. The fork manpage tells you that the descriptors reference the same underlying object. It is that object (the open file) which holds the "flags word". > So dear friends, I must ask you, am I delusional? Is this all just some > massive misunderstanding on my part? Yep. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 11:58:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50BA1EC0B5 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic307-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic307-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47t76v1HBpz4Q76 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:58:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-YMail-OSG: kevQ57sVM1mIbuXHVKxTvRj2GeX05GrSPylOx0_BRHIy_M8iCEqlFp8vcAiJs8W bVdqZbOPaPJmQKUd8m8u3KNxLNnRUmndbWETCZ7kusCgjYjJT_axPKGaoGT7kZC2hpfMgR5f0XBz BHuXk.InFn3nC4wibOdj6nXxqZsF48figtVSE.iDb8Z4IrYNRkd5HFu8Lw8KRsHzE_Qlsjf26TmT W3KtETnEya1F3t1jlncTv4YLipciUnTL9myRpa5CN5al8GRcAsETdS2EFkwFvkdfDyFxcbL7jUTr OgR_B0vBA3MJ7tKXr9J2qHHVHRI8PHV5aed3BeP2U.0JD7589l71nZLYUsaPffMxXrj9d961gvtZ xOTL6Feuhq7altZ82_WC4RdgKwTWJ3hPeg3MN_aCV_vITkKfJDZZoxR0Bw51Us.aJMXZt7eUNEBD rI78i1DXYM0fP4ivvy.NcZC75okD5ClS_pIhWC.yjVRpLQ7T_.Jc9HgiEX8jWEPhTDvzCc52howz IJAndmKaEAG14LG2gWFrjq_2_sy2D8TJmQWH5tgJoDryaLjCxUGfyUwnprIJu1JOEeya4vKnyM.W Eo7.iz.cphHEJRfwGH0zhcglbUXRhmtyxWB86T6krgpTTelasae.ZId.x4HX5v1OXbW_nvxdK4EO nbmVCk3aFT_TJjLavdfCcenK2DNU5QWp1dv7ejMk4ESI.kyAT60wMBVZ5cstPjhtSTnzlZYota0z ifOwpFZMFgcU8uCD61PD2qdaWZIMIvKFfbKOdto5xHQVEFz8vLcCckIhPlQRHeFG9_KkkakFC..f FaUKVHk.jQVLaRgTG7TfTycN8C5fPwX5Zov2lS.NXgFAAQ2Bv.fO6TGcri8DJgDn2JIfuKzEKRXZ hQfYZg36ba0fCUIItAgchcIQpROKtaariNc1CVbKExTp7XUkb_AKrx_Kw.FNZ6YECdNMFh8Vqgaj 0RkoZ3zfVTdApVOV1Zf6IU6ynlqntPOaw.xgeNjtIAgRxQS8PR6FhQMPmxkeo.8WBBRgubXZoc7L rlLsFyKBZNpntQi28xtlD0.FthVx0ZiUfN33BnA6jAMys.85UimTB9A8wBpzr7rnz3BEy4IQvUOG qqLQVk0H2NaVAUn8eXpZWDW85FAhBIBqeWtsfUZglUeQe8cVHSA7qi4vsKiQyZfjHsIzNHFIMvNb eG7ZVHD96U3LZOsBs7qCjzp57nK_kCZilOHNzGyD5Yy87QVs6dXXiOsOIa8hqRwtViLraB18HfDy pU0jeDPD0LNIFH9WfLKBUaObI3bKXqb45f7oAxB1Y9wDYokcSNiPa.KK8phN3KaM3Amq0u0eoptu OSjvYO4KeeVJDkTGtqRXsFWrQiaAzspPtbpfHfokm_HV3pAkH0MMYqh_tpKS3PH_HCOo- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:58:13 +0000 Received: by smtp432.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c4c9051850dd0d8dc4507297756ead62; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 06:58:11 -0500 From: "Vlad D. Markov" To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-Id: <20200108065811.5c561c07f4279c7df6d8b6bd@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47t76v1HBpz4Q76 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.48)[0.479,0]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.134.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.22)[0.216,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.00), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.31), asn: 26101(1.05), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:58:16 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:35:25 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Xfce users, > > By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a > convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, rotating...)? > Gimp would be an overkill. > > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ I use ImageMagick. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 14:12:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069441EFFB4 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 14:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes-maria@t-online.de) Received: from mailout11.t-online.de (mailout11.t-online.de [194.25.134.85]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tB5d1hgYz4Xcb for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 14:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes-maria@t-online.de) Received: from fwd37.aul.t-online.de (fwd37.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.137]) by mailout11.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id B1EEE420FE32 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:12:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from t-online.de (E4j8goZJ8hxT9pGOu4tn24ShX8xYHsWditdHp98pPd1AJbD4WZXjen3qhbxvYVZZTN@[194.140.113.141]) by fwd37.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1ipC4H-0THyz20; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:12:17 +0100 Received: by t-online.de (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) johannes-maria@t-online.de; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:12:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:12:16 +0100 From: Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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I am using xv since 1990 and think it's still the best for viewing and basic tasks. (Note that this program is shareware except for personal use only.) 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It's quirky but it gets the job done and it's nice and light. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 15:30:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C581F2491 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47tCqW3sh4z3DDk for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id 6B5994E71D; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 07:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Independence of file descriptor flags across forks (or lack thereof) In-Reply-To: <20200108114244.b431a9ae0170ec947e6fb7d8@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <99920.1578497412.1@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 07:30:12 -0800 Message-ID: <99921.1578497412@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tCqW3sh4z3DDk X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-3.07)[ip: (-8.05), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.03), asn: 14051(-3.20), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 15:30:16 -0000 In message <20200108114244.b431a9ae0170ec947e6fb7d8@sohara.org>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> that are currently open in the parent process, the child would also get >> its own independent copy of the system-maintained "flags word" for each >> of those inherited file descriptor copies. > > The fork manpage tells you that the descriptors reference the same >underlying object. It is that object (the open file) which holds the "flags >word". I am not persuaded. I do not wish to be impertinent, but can you point me to the place in the UFS file system specification that will show me where the per-file blocking/ non-blocking bits are stored? >> So dear friends, I must ask you, am I delusional? Is this all just some >> massive misunderstanding on my part? > > Yep. I am sorry to disagree, but I am still not persuaded. Yes, the underyling thing is the same for the child and parent processes, but this fact alone does not imply that both the parent and child have the exact same view of that underlying thing -or- the exact same capabilities with respect to that underyling thing. If one or the other, parent process or child process, closes the file, then is the file also closed as far as the other process is concerned, from that time onward? Of course not. This fact alone proves that a given process' relationship with a file descriptor (or a message queue descriptor) is different and distinct from the underyling file itself. There must be maintained (somewhere) an open/closed bit which is a characteristic not of the underlying file itself, but rather of one particular process' current relationship with and to that underyling file. So there is clearly (a) the underlying thing, and then there is (b) each process' relationship to, and current capabilities in relation to that underlying thing. A file itself is neither blocking nor non-blocking, even if the underyling thing is some FIFO, pipe, or socket. It is still just a thing which can be acted upon by some process. One process can act on the thing, e.g. attempting to read from it, in a non-blocking manner, while the other process may elect, for its own reasons, to read from that some underlying thing with blocking semantics, i.e. waiting for data to be present before returning from the call to read() or mq_receive(). There is no contradition here, and indeed, I have found an instance in which what I habe just described is quite pragmatically useful. Unfortunately, neither of us have so far cited to any authority which might settle this matter definitively. I will now cite to an authority, but if I am to be intellectually honest then I will have to admit that even what I will now cite to may not clearly or definitively settle the matter. All I really have to go on, here with me, is a very old and yellowed hardcopy of IEEE "POSIX" 1003.1b-1993. In this hardcopy document, Section 6.5.2.2 seems most relevant, since it discusses various file attributes that can be read or written with the fcntl() system call. The fcntl operations and their respective descriptions that seem mosty directly relevant are these: F_GETFD F_SETFD F_GETFL F_SETFL Of course, the document that I am looking at dates from 1993, and thus may have been totally superceeded and rewritten by now, but I have also done a search for "fcntl" in the "system interfaces" section at this location: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ and I assume that this gives me more up-to-date information on the current semnatics of "POSIX-conformant" systems. Sadly however, all I get back in this case is something that looks an awful lot like a man page for fcntl() and it largely or entirely just repeats the same text as is present in my old hardcopy copy of the 1993 POSIX standard. Here are relevant passages: F_GETFD Get the file descriptor flags defined in that are associated with the file descriptor fildes. File descriptor flags are associated with a single file descriptor and do not affect other file descriptors that refer to the same file. F_SETFD Set the file descriptor flags defined in , that are associated with fildes, to the third argument, arg, taken as type int. If the FD_CLOEXEC flag in the third argument is 0, the file descriptor shall remain open across the exec functions; otherwise, the file descriptor shall be closed upon successful execution of one of the exec functions. F_GETFL Get the file status flags and file access modes, defined in , for the file description associated with fildes. The file access modes can be extracted from the return value using the mask O_ACCMODE, which is defined in . File status flags and file access modes are associated with the file description and do not affect other file descriptors that refer to the same file with different open file descriptions. The flags returned may include non-standard file status flags which the application did not set, provided that these additional flags do not alter the behavior of a conforming application. F_SETFL Set the file status flags, defined in , for the file description associated with fildes from the corresponding bits in the third argument, arg, taken as type int. Bits corresponding to the file access mode and the file creation flags, as defined in , that are set in arg shall be ignored. If any bits in arg other than those mentioned here are changed by the application, the result is unspecified. If fildes does not support non-blocking operations, it is unspecified whether the O_NONBLOCK flag will be ignored. As I say, all of the above is almost entirely just a reprint/reiteration of almost identical text which is present also in the hardcopy of the 1993 POSIX standard document that I have here. The only possibly relevant difference is that the POSIX document I have here, in its description of F_GETFL and F_SETFL makes explict reference to the attributes listed in table 6-5, where table 6-5, on the preceeding page, includes all of the following: O_APPEND O_DSYNC O_NONBLOCK O_RSYNC O_SYNC I believe that my position, i.e. that flags (such as O_NONBLOCK) must be maintained separately for each separate file descriptor, including even those that are derived from a "parent" file descriptor, is supported by the passage, reproduced above in relation to F_GETFL, that says explicitly: File status flags and file access modes are associated with the file description and do not affect other file descriptors that refer to the same file with different open file descriptions. Why else would the authors of this standard have included such stilted and, admittedly, imprecise language as that if they were NOT attempting to say exactly what I have said? And just to reiterate, what I have said is that the standard appears to me to require that there must exist a unique set of attribute bits, associated with each and every open file descriptor, -and- that POSIX requires that such a set of attributs must be maninated -separately- for each FD in each process, even for a pair of file descriptors that happen to be related by blood (i.e. one descending from the other). That is my reading of it anyway. Furthermore the section of this same standards document that talks about the fork() system call is at pains to say explicitly that the forked child obtains "a copy" of the parent's file descriptors, NOT the parent's file descriptors themselves. Based on that, after a fork(), if the parent had one FD, then there now exist *two* FDs in its place. And likewise, if the parent had two FDs, then after the fork() we can say that there now exist four FDs. This makes clear, I think, the special meaning of the phrasing "... do not affect other file descriptors that refer to the same file ...". After a fork() there are now twice as many FDs as there were before, and they are all separate and distinct things, in and of themselves, and fiddling the flags (such as the O_NONBLOCK) flag on one is *not* supposed to affect the setting of that same flag in any of the others. That is my interpretation anyway. But I welcome any reasonable challenge to the above reasoning. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 15:55:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86541F2E65 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (mail.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tDNP4nFDz3FlF for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1ipDfo-0002sn-TV; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 16:55:08 +0100 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 008FrVth092243 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:53:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 008FrVmU092242 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:53:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: Substituting horizontal tab characters in vi Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:53:31 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <61189.1577922242@segfault.tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tDNP4nFDz3FlF X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of news@mips.inka.de has no SPF policy when checking 2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c) smtp.mailfrom=news@mips.inka.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.940,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.995,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inka.de]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:202113, ipnet:2a04:c9c7::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; IP_SCORE(0.47)[ip: (1.24), ipnet: 2a04:c9c7::/32(0.62), asn: 202113(0.50), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 15:55:18 -0000 On 2020-01-01, "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > Quiet simply, it used to be possible to use vi to make substitutions for > horizontal tab characters, say for example in the current line, by just > typing : (colon) to get to the vi "command prompt" and then typing "s" > (substitute command) followed by some delimiter, e.g. forward slash, > and then just hitting the tab key on my keyboard, followed by a closing > delimiter and then my substitution text followed by yet another closing > delimiter. The tab character is the default setting for the filec (file path completion) option. To disable this feature, set filec to an empty string: set filec="" See vi(1), filec. 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Guilmette" wrote: > In message <20200108114244.b431a9ae0170ec947e6fb7d8@sohara.org>, > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > >> that are currently open in the parent process, the child would also get > >> its own independent copy of the system-maintained "flags word" for each > >> of those inherited file descriptor copies. > > > > The fork manpage tells you that the descriptors reference the > > same > >underlying object. It is that object (the open file) which holds the > >"flags word". > > I am not persuaded. From man open: ----------------------------------------- RETURN VALUES If successful, open() and openat() return a non-negative integer, termed a file descriptor. They return -1 on failure, and set errno to indicate the error. ----------------------------------------- That's pretty clear - the file descriptor is the integer returned by open. From man fork() ----------------------------------------- • The child process has its own copy of the parent's descriptors, except for descriptors returned by kqueue(2), which are not inherited from the parent process. 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Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Independence of file descriptor flags across forks (or lack thereof) Message-Id: <20200108161544.76f64dd6eb0d1edb134a5b0f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <99921.1578497412@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <20200108114244.b431a9ae0170ec947e6fb7d8@sohara.org> <99921.1578497412@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tDr73fXLz3HGR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=egfDY2dz; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ip: (-0.35), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.67), asn: 7381(0.40), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 16:15:52 -0000 On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 07:30:12 -0800 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > File status flags and file access modes are associated with the > file description and do not affect other file descriptors that > refer to the same file with different open file descriptions. > > Why else would the authors of this standard have included such stilted > and, admittedly, imprecise language as that if they were NOT attempting > to say exactly what I have said? OK I can explain this: fd1 = open ("/some/file", O_RDONLY); fd2 = open ("/some/file", O_RDWR); Now I have two file descriptors referring to the same file with different file access modes. I can set flags on fd1 and fd2 independently. That is what the precisely phrased paragraph above is referring to. Each file descriptor (with values like 3) refers to a table which identifies the kernel data structure representing the open file. It is that kernel data structure that holds such things as the file position, mode, flags etc. Now if I fork this process then the table of open file descriptors gets copied so now two processes are sharing the same kernel data structures. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 16:54:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE961F4315 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tFhv5Jwlz3KQg for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:54:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 008GscVn014537 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:54:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:20:59 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Installing libreoffice Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: Doug Denault ReSent-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG ReSent-Subject: Installing libreoffice ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:54:39 -0500 (EST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tFhv5Jwlz3KQg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.89)[ip: (-4.49), ipnet: 198.74.228.0/22(-2.25), asn: 11288(2.33), country: US(-0.05)]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 16:54:41 -0000 It was time as my workstation was 10.3. It all went suprisingly easy. My only issue was not with FreeBSD but rather with libreoffice. They the package requires the version of MySQL they specify. The package installs mysql56-client. Because MySQL server and client must match this will uninstall a non matching version. If you build the package the only way to avoid changing the installed version of MySQL is to edit the Makefile. My question is can the package requirements be chaged to accept the installed MySQL?. If the very least, I think the package should list that MySQL will be replaced. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 18:55:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BB61F7D6F for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (mail.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tJMx59z3z418K for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1ipGTy-00018Y-Ii; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 19:55:06 +0100 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 008Is4Ai096108 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:54:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 008Is472096107 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:54:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: Substituting horizontal tab characters in vi Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:54:04 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <61189.1577922242@segfault.tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tJMx59z3z418K X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of news@mips.inka.de has no SPF policy when checking 2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c) smtp.mailfrom=news@mips.inka.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.93)[0.935,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.994,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inka.de]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:202113, ipnet:2a04:c9c7::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; IP_SCORE(0.46)[ip: (1.22), ipnet: 2a04:c9c7::/32(0.61), asn: 202113(0.49), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:55:11 -0000 On 2020-01-08, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > The tab character is the default setting for the filec (file path > completion) option. To disable this feature, set filec to an empty > string: > > set filec="" My bad, that sets filec to the double quote character. This is correct instead: set filec= Note that the set all command will misleadingly display filec="", with quotation marks. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 22:13:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916961FCBC9 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tNmH5jSfz4Dbg for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 008MCto1024968; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:12:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? In-Reply-To: <20200108141216.GA7572@localhost.org> Message-ID: References: <20200108141216.GA7572@localhost.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tNmH5jSfz4Dbg X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@monochrome.org has no SPF policy when checking 71.163.255.121) smtp.mailfrom=chris@monochrome.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[monochrome.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.71)[0.713,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.925,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[t-online.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:71.163.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[asn: 701(0.77), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 22:13:04 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach wrote: >> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:35:25 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a >> convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, >> rotating...)? Gimp would be an overkill. > > I am using xv since 1990 and think it's still the > best for viewing and basic tasks. A big "me too" on xv. It does basic editing: crop, rotate, mirror, scale, gamma, probably more. For slideshows, I use feh. They are both old, therefore lightweight and fast. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 22:25:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE571FCFAF for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tP2G6KLjz4F7F for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.100.99]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MHX3R-1iu0ji0WNV-00DWaT; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 23:25:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:25:06 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chris Hill Cc: Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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Gimp would be an overkill. > > > > I am using xv since 1990 and think it's still the > > best for viewing and basic tasks. > > A big "me too" on xv. It does basic editing: crop, rotate, mirror, > scale, gamma, probably more. And I (ab)use it to set the X desktop wallpaper (backdrop) independently from window manager or desktop system (which I don't use). :-) > For slideshows, I use feh. They are both > old, therefore lightweight and fast. Sadly, many other programs bearing those properties have been updated and disimproved, so their names shall be forgotten in this context. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jan 9 05:30:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C767F229B96 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 05:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47tZSd06BHz4dN9 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 05:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id 4A3EA4E71D; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Independence of file descriptor flags across forks (or lack thereof) In-Reply-To: <20200108161544.76f64dd6eb0d1edb134a5b0f@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8430.1578547799.1@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:30:00 -0800 Message-ID: <8433.1578547800@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tZSd06BHz4dN9 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-3.08)[ip: (-8.08), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.04), asn: 14051(-3.21), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 05:30:09 -0000 In message <20200108161544.76f64dd6eb0d1edb134a5b0f@sohara.org>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > OK I can explain this: > > fd1 = open ("/some/file", O_RDONLY); > fd2 = open ("/some/file", O_RDWR); > > Now I have two file descriptors referring to the same file with >different file access modes. I can set flags on fd1 and fd2 independently. >That is what the precisely phrased paragraph above is referring to. Each >file descriptor (with values like 3) refers to a table which identifies the >kernel data structure representing the open file. It is that kernel data >structure that holds such things as the file position, mode, flags etc. > > Now if I fork this process then the table of open file descriptors >gets copied so now two processes are sharing the same kernel data >structures. All I can say is that the kernel implementors of both FreeBSD and also Linux seem to agree with your viewpoint. I myself am not persuaded that the two file descriptors that exist after a fork should behave any differently from the two in your example above, but they do, so I guess I just have to deal with it. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 03:08:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61844221B91 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47v7Gb254Dz44rT for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; bh=HgXae4SZCQnUFfK5UqpKxgLucuXHcf+hak2EmMjrRCI=; b=eYpeG2rUof0eCc4RakzPapMlT9 Gw5Tymr/eM8e2u5R2zQ2ZNOx7GZRMsxq6VMVdiYPm7T4H4pH7J9JsxZF+tUjV8l+uc4XYoXizJBwm lSmJD6ka/8P2Lj/JG7Z6+zUkrH1TUSuOBg+aexhnJ8E2QaTe1ff2N6VP9ij+nnY+7yLk=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ipkel-000HiM-T2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:08:15 +0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:08:15 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Child process pid=67810 terminated abnormally: Bus error Message-ID: <20200110030815.GA67842@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47v7Gb254Dz44rT X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=eYpeG2rU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.27)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.50), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:08:24 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, On one of my VMs, I get the following error: $ pkg info > /dev/null Child process pid=3D67810 terminated abnormally: Bus error I've tried "pkg update -f" suspecting the repo database being corrupt or out of sync, but this did not help. How can I try and find the cause of the error? I've tried "ktrace -i pkg in= fo", there is the output: https://termbin.com/8nw5 --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeF+qfAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0dawH/2nmqR0lOiG1OiSSIo894PGh 7xKpJdqRu1QN9/vcq9z3mMp21jlrGTSrTRZzgxPwH+BP7KgC9IkRZF5+kZojZifA 7m0p8WFxiW0BoD2vrcexmLMLaEccAxu06J1UOd+T3HalMQTAoA38BaLuaNnvn50x uTVgw1Ci9f6AskT9TwG2FVerKNvVZcQCKPP/Z1X/gK66AmmmXVE8UGyqZdAWVJAI qrGybkPci9/iXJXglKdSdDkLoSM4jLK1AxnnTNDocTyYjH17mmJ9+IdhTHm6ZuU9 x4vrMEJMPWBwM9uECTzSPGrycpeGmeN4kDy4JwgPEIaB1zviwq8pHix6u9CJsKM= =6zuy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 03:50:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E632222B38 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47v8Bp3K1Nz47VR for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=gAbA3h5mXns3aA4RcVJqz6W5uZSlSAuv0S+AEfNUU20=; b=CF3ygSbBsrgGyFwWhYNZ+lep4f GhZBSU0XmwyvmnOdt/kXJg4VmYeOAtqKDriohupBucLlwLuOpVD3fP4DMdx4U9H+5IGE89N4eIO6p j9I87jjEp5BbQs6ty7qaWUm7ACujdrw8vU17S+ab8ChelWzDSbLyWXPq3E9+xOiA6EBw=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iplJJ-000IJ9-37 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:50:09 +0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:50:09 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replacement of security/ipsec-tools Message-ID: <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47v8Bp3K1Nz47VR X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=CF3ygSbB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.28)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.50), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:50:11 -0000 --mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Grimm wrote: > [X-posted, please chose the relevant ML for such a thread] >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I am running ipsec-tools to implement a VPN tunnel (esp) between two host= s for years now. >=20 > But this statement on http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net makes me think a= bout an alternative: > The development of ipsec-tools has been ABANDONED.=20 > ipsec-tools has security issues, and you should not use it. Please switc= h to a secure alternative!=20 >=20 > Could you provide me with links where I could find more details about the= above mentioned 'security issues'? I want to find out, if my specific setu= p has security issues at all. Thanks. >=20 > What would be a secure alternative if one is needed?=20 > #) security/racoon2 > #) security/strongswan > #) something else? There was also security/isakmpd but is marked as BROKEN now. I've been told that strongswan works on FreeBSD. I've tried installing strongswan, but it looks too complex and tricky in comparison with racoon. If you ever find good documentation/howto for strongswan on FreeBSD, please share with me. >=20 > What do I need? > #) a VPN tunnel between two hosts > #) both local networks reachable from the remote host That is what kernel IPSec is for, you can even do it on static keys without any ISAKMP daemon like racoon. See an example in if_ipsec(4). --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeF/RxAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY09CgH/Rxr25IH/4E6Ckm7OMbuKo4s 8tE0RqQ/VVivGh88n3t9kcfecv8wKpj/FIospjXbZmNRgG5cXHU0z/jD9Y5z0h/f BqNZIRxEOBryvdB0U9NFFLI9lJlqxPXBRlesUxRAittojLvjDi2jCXQigmmLUma/ g3itSpbAaLUlyQV0uGtT+6fQvlOInoPNKaI4hHU8fRX36YRk3yfs8OHxJL29OBz0 K+7kIL06xrvU4og+uKxL+mxqPZYvqoTB4SIthCMeBIA2dYAOSQjo4cOHxPZCQkVA vk1/23wA6pF7zUljC9xxVi96MxvydV6o3amav31Tu2BXC/XXZleLJnop3TgaJhc= =IYIF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 06:51:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF46225E59 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vDD44hn3z4GkC for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=+9DFH5bXDPGzyn3SNkCn3yM2ZXOiEgWMSrPxcmqdov4=; b=N01Twb49rtwcoSjvS1KZyCcWZY ss0tdEqHJWqbZIpBsjvGPDCTFpUz411mATxY01iiwbCCO5WDVfeYR9Di+zCUaMyU87CHqs0WPYx99 lumj9cVpecQZxM9/BGbnQFXb6gG8EtjBNA0vWbjglP4l+hvHjKueVaWElB2BVawqoWvw=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ipo8p-000Kt7-53 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:51:31 +0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:51:31 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replacement of security/ipsec-tools Message-ID: <20200110065131.GA79879@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vDD44hn3z4GkC X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=N01Twb49; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.28)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.52), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:51:33 -0000 --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > If you ever find good documentation/howto for strongswan on FreeBSD, > please share with me. Really, please! I know there are people present here using strongswan. I would like to try and replace racoon with it. To begin with, I don't need much from it, just creating Security Associations (based on pre-shared keys or X.509 certificates) when SPD are already present in the kernel (set up by if_ipsec or "setkey spdadd"). No advanced topics like authentication, SPD creation, road warriors etc. so= far. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeGB7zAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0txMIAK56G2KMDj1a78rjNZN0JFYT y8xB6tbTw0Q2oBnsJDL04F6nYKHLeozkLv7CreBdYzLUaI1J5hp4lNkA5+CLJGNv /mrPOE5GH0HY9nOYFVx0Bgy0JAoTfBN/LzohrQr4yah9xNits9WJdsa2spYAsLtE xqQL0mZBz97e91wLAWlDXB5p4hV3SOPNphSMvx5niYvLmcmcFQQUYgrOuKHaK4i/ uAFOBUq+n8nq0otRMiB99KSAc2P+pVgTYpVnvrg7bl8qx5JsGtgizIaPAV+zm4db l9/ysRCr2MHgt7PaK1HVTkmzDzTmu89mucbcIXZnGBHJ1S9J87T/XKF37RKMOuw= =Y+pL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 15:23:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DCE1EA639 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vRbL3mC8z3F0X for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EDE275F for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:23:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZfSJfWCW7TnC for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DCF02754 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:23:45 -0500 Message-ID: <0dbba1cf7eeb52e8f398d61434eaceb4.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:23:45 -0500 Subject: /bin/sh save history From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vRbL3mC8z3F0X X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.77)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.93), asn: 12021(-3.95), country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:23:59 -0000 Is there no way to specify a history file for /bin/sh and automatically save / merge the session hitory with that of previous and concurrent sessions? I have searched the man page and done the online thing but cannot seem to find any reference to a means to save the session history of /bin/sh. Is it just not possible? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 17:11:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EFC1ECC79 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vTzD0FByz3LHn for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 64011 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2020 17:11:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fa08.5e18b030.k2001; i=printer-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=rX18KZ4RPZ9OVhVyPqrxxHvKL2aiU5ykPSND8zO3CD8=; b=fnA/NdE8t1eqBY+Utjq2KFK9tLyuO8WqABPEPjK+bKAkcJUqqn8leuH4AcupfSutR+xbRRy8t0Ud71UzTRvHfs3IDqJc1WAKFLYoMSFwMifuwodd+J627QxUf1klYpq9jH0lJEO7tRbDOKipjwMOBVE2uHBDbjOi+CKJIw4hyBKVgWl9IUYOaZSSw6YQTBMIvlbnfo+UFdje8qFiCXWIHWWQ3euIIV2adBKSpCU40qkCfh2gpPpPgFTQ9F1/tsb5 Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPSA (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD, printer@iecc.com) via TCP6; 10 Jan 2020 17:11:12 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id E14751225C9C; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:11:11 -0500 (EST) Date: 10 Jan 2020 12:11:11 -0500 Message-Id: <20200110171111.E14751225C9C@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Subject: Re: /bin/sh save history In-Reply-To: <0dbba1cf7eeb52e8f398d61434eaceb4.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vTzD0FByz3LHn X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=fa08.5e18b030.k2001 header.b=fnA/NdE8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=fa08.5e18b030.k2001]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[iecc.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.64)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.67), asn: 6939(-3.57), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:11:21 -0000 In article <0dbba1cf7eeb52e8f398d61434eaceb4.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> you write: >Is there no way to specify a history file for /bin/sh and >automatically save / merge the session hitory with that of previous >and concurrent sessions? No. For that you need bash from ports or packages. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 18:05:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C7B1EE203 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vW9j1s1Rz3NtS for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 88793 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2020 18:05:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=15ad7.5e18bce8.k2001; i=johnl-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=KZpD1vNI3pyXebBNR4OXc9cO/v+MfeaSE8Kw/Sk9yqo=; b=kQDCHacNPO+ATedrLL4c698Swaygfj4S/bxF8lsuk3V827HRr6PEc6TkihQoDpuF5MFPMZnzRc67zkl+/DUa8TpoOekB9Jk+K2P2rijMvsnMIapf/KY81q01cVI+kbWvaAPkIYKxVj2dtEY0MULt8lCSWjyZek22dz7ZdzEvDKvSgQ0f8rHIZ++EJKo0lJ51VjAMggqhPUgBylDxvYyqWQrhtFn/U+NmdDtgU31pdAwy4jiSwck4NkLXdvR1Mbzt Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPSA (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD, johnl@iecc.com) via TCP6; 10 Jan 2020 18:05:28 -0000 Date: 10 Jan 2020 13:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Ottavio Caruso" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Subject: Re: /bin/sh save history In-Reply-To: References: <0dbba1cf7eeb52e8f398d61434eaceb4.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20200110171111.E14751225C9C@ary.qy> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.99999 (OSX 374 2019-10-27) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vW9j1s1Rz3NtS X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=15ad7.5e18bce8.k2001 header.b=kQDCHacN; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[iecc.com:s=15ad7.5e18bce8.k2001]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[iecc.com,none]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[iecc.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; IP_SCORE(-3.64)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.67), asn: 6939(-3.57), country: US(-0.05)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; URIBL_PBL(0.01)[jl.ly]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:05:30 -0000 >>> Is there no way to specify a history file for /bin/sh and >>> automatically save / merge the session hitory with that of previous >>> and concurrent sessions? >> >> No. For that you need bash from ports or packages. > > /bin/tsch in base system has a ./.history file and can be configured > to scroll history back and forth like bash: Yes, but that uses csh syntax rather than sh syntax. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 18:07:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6EE1EE350 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vWDN71KPz3P0X for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 89496 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2020 18:07:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=15d96.5e18bd74.k2001; i=johnl-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=GtO7c1TNxR6taagjTwGVCetF12GS2BhDIno+CMvmeC0=; b=N1Geec2ntSZXwAu/EqALNCWpSazyDUMqf5Zdm90Az/y5jVxc/e6MrPpZhnaragH3ro7JfIXuqqCIYS/J4BURQL0HB6cOAvpgdf1ntRuei3vDI7bDrUBmw/Rru1jUz1Rt+8bSNT5LwfHOTMqrI3PMX9ZdETieyU4pwNw312KK8GfONNWuaeQe6kTKsRPG8hnJ4PA52NN4/Kf6iP/rBb35rKaTEIOEr8e8phGUVq1WXcb8DN9ug1xOL18cMVcHIooe Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPSA (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD, johnl@iecc.com) via TCP6; 10 Jan 2020 18:07:48 -0000 Date: 10 Jan 2020 13:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. 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You must be thinking of some other system. 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Levine wrote: > > > /bin/tsch in base system has a ./.history file and can be configured > > Hey, wait, there's no tsch in FreeBSD 11 or 12. You must be thinking of > some other system. It was a misspelling: tcsh. oc@fbd:~ % uname -a FreeBSD fbd 12.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE r341666 GENERIC amd64 oc@fbd:~ % type tcsh tcsh is /bin/tcsh -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 18:34:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995001EF462 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42e.google.com (mail-wr1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vWqh6H4hz3Qwx for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id b6so2776077wrq.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:34:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+vMJQMVzN1JF9YHy58uMitQdMr2xpHWNqMtAAlGw29g=; b=KrX21r40DXXz4XiE/InAbXGcsBfZfJLc9+aWGn7Y0xI571FQxb/Gjd5kkiKIUvLSLz yKLmO2pyaPP/3qf0BJx4LRNXrmrgU6hlMQB0nH93kPFTbke/cENfZ3neLRYuMoxcr/lH Nmhp4keUDfBMwONd0rZqFJL5r2lOrHogHYczVQlkhmRGDeUJ0KXhG53qDwCsnL9MHkjX S6rWRgp1ImDO77Bu8DamVAE7SypBVNSTGIQMvCuaBAgRSrNU7REVp4fkE9Qb8wgZuW0y gOYZbqoCNmOu5My8x20g0lCiahFyCIfIqK3I4dxOeZnkgIPEZqmGyhvIyktZI8ZJSnoH sUWw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW9xV3zdti5P2DsnNYMGIWyxORTD1ECD5AY16ttFTycUxEwTSvZ iXZV6ZDt8mQRMYkz9Kdot8ke7S/p X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxjHzXAo3p70Zc2M5WF+TQpEnL2E9BnEQb4hg2XJCDfmurYdU4nUAD9RNdtwX4bYuS95jLByw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9c8a:: with SMTP id d10mr4890119wre.156.1578681294386; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.221.16.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n67sm3258706wmf.46.2020.01.10.10.34.53 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:34:51 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /bin/sh save history Message-ID: <20200110183451.7b6a364a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0dbba1cf7eeb52e8f398d61434eaceb4.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20200110171111.E14751225C9C@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vWqh6H4hz3Qwx X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[6.16.221.2.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.08), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.60), asn: 15169(-1.84), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:34:57 -0000 On 10 Jan 2020 13:07:47 -0500 John R. Levine wrote: > > /bin/tsch in base system has a ./.history file and can be > > configured > > Hey, wait, there's no tsch in FreeBSD 11 or 12. You must be thinking > of some other system. I presume tsch is a typo for tcsh, which has been in /bin/ for a long time. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 19:35:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DAF1F17CC for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vY9z22STz43Sc for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.107.138]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mlejs-1jYRVV1Pso-00io8M; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:35:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:35:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: "James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > Is there no way to specify a history file for /bin/sh and > automatically save / merge the session hitory with that of previous > and concurrent sessions? According to "man sh", this isn't supported by the shell. However, /bin/sh never really was intended for interactive use - it's FreeBSD's default _scripting_ shell, and, per preconfiguration, the emergency shell you get in single user mode (which typically doesn't stop you to launch a more user-friendly shell in case there's more interaction ahead). > I have searched the man page and done the online thing but cannot seem > to find any reference to a means to save the session history of > /bin/sh. Is it just not possible? Doesn't seem to be possible, but re-check with "man sh". Of course the C shell (tcsh in FreeBSD), FreeBSD's default interactive shell, does have this feature which you can control with ~/.cshrc: set history = 200000 set savehist = (200000 merge) It will maintain a ~/.history file. Now of course is the time to remind you that there are shells better suited for interactive use, such as bash or zsh, but as a long-time C shell user I won't mention anything else. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 11:21:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A60225DE1; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from mx2.enfer-du-nord.net (mx2.enfer-du-nord.net [87.98.149.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vy8c71d0z3RK2; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from [IPv6:2003:fb:4f0a:6c01:e934:fbc9:fc77:2a2d] (p200300FB4F0A6C01E934FBC9FC772A2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:fb:4f0a:6c01:e934:fbc9:fc77:2a2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.enfer-du-nord.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47vy195txwz13lQ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 12:14:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.1 at mail.enfer-du-nord.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: replacement of security/ipsec-tools From: Michael Grimm In-Reply-To: <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 12:14:35 +0100 Cc: Victor Sudakov Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HELO_NO_DOMAIN, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS,RDNS_DYNAMIC,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.3 (2019-12-06) on mail.kaan-bock.lan X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vy8c71d0z3RK2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trashcan@ellael.org has no SPF policy when checking 87.98.149.189) smtp.mailfrom=trashcan@ellael.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ellael.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RBL_MAILSPIKE_WORST(2.00)[189.149.98.87.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.10]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.64)[ipnet: 87.98.128.0/17(1.12), asn: 16276(2.06), country: FR(0.00)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:87.98.128.0/17, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:21:05 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Michael Grimm wrote: First of all, I'd like to thank all of you for your input, which helped = a lot. >> I am running ipsec-tools to implement a VPN tunnel (esp) between two = hosts for years now. >>=20 >> But this statement on http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net makes me = think about an alternative: >> The development of ipsec-tools has been ABANDONED.=20 >> ipsec-tools has security issues, and you should not use it. = Please switch to a secure alternative!=20 >>=20 >> Could you provide me with links where I could find more details about = the above mentioned 'security issues'? I want to find out, if my = specific setup has security issues at all. Thanks. Well, now I do know that security patches have been applied to = security/ipsec-tools. Thus one can ignore "Please switch to a secure = alternative!" >> What would be a secure alternative if one is needed?=20 >> #) security/racoon2 >> #) security/strongswan >> #) something else? >=20 > There was also security/isakmpd but is marked as BROKEN now. >=20 > I've been told that strongswan works on FreeBSD. I've tried installing > strongswan, but it looks too complex and tricky in comparison with > racoon. >=20 > If you ever find good documentation/howto for strongswan on FreeBSD, > please share with me. Sorry, but I never tried strongswan as a replacement, mainly due to the = reasons you mentioned as well: I couldn't get it running. Thus I used = racoon instead. Kurt mentioned wireguard. I could get the tunnel running, but I failed = in getting the routing at both sites running (in my preliminary tests). Then this mail made my day: >> What do I need? >> #) a VPN tunnel between two hosts >> #) both local networks reachable from the remote host >=20 > That is what kernel IPSec is for, you can even do it on static keys > without any ISAKMP daemon like racoon. See an example in if_ipsec(4). I did install my IPSEC/racoon tunnel many years ago and missed the = recent implementation of if_ipsec completely.=20 Victor, thank you very, very much for pointing me to this interface. = Now, my tunnel is far less complicated to implement[1], and I will no = longer need security/ipsec-tools at all!=20 [1] Following if_ipsec(4) and = https://github.com/opnsense/core/issues/2332#issuecomment-379181820, = because the example with "right" and "left" notation helped to = understand if_ipsec(4) better (for me). Thanks and regards, Michael=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 11:23:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29883226279; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:23:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vyC61GP8z3wyk; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=JKfIxn+sm8/ktAhrFuzQm8M/cK3DNuMmIZGrF2KOncs=; b=liF2qYhkmn9RcLvR4VxEHT7xoX RFLXec5AzrFScreX2c1Nqf5fcd5At1W3oxymj1qljZAlykKziG0J3TFvR04zqKLOr/2CAuAWEwkwD 2DzjW8yd/uqB6Ip4uRNCUko8i0dRJF6WtUTlWE5vqmzShTHoM8uNJMeXYNXXX4NZ8ijM=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iqErD-000GGe-D0; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:23:07 +0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:23:07 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: replacement of security/ipsec-tools Message-ID: <20200111112307.GA62210@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200110065131.GA79879@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200110065131.GA79879@admin.sibptus.ru> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vyC61GP8z3wyk X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=liF2qYhk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.28)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.54), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:23:15 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Sudakov wrote: > >=20 > > If you ever find good documentation/howto for strongswan on FreeBSD, > > please share with me. >=20 > Really, please! I know there are people present here using strongswan. >=20 > I would like to try and replace racoon with it. Now thanks to Sergey Matveev and some good docs on https://wiki.strongswan.org/ , I have some working examples of strongswan usage. I must admit it is rather elegant. But for this bug-or-feature: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi= ?id=3D242744=20 I could even easily and elegantly secure all communications between my FreeBSD hosts (I can't of course due to the above bug, but this is not strongswan's fault). However, not the same with Windows. By much experimenting, I once created a working configuration for IPsec transport mode between FreeBSD and Windows with racoon: remote "win2012" { exchange_mode main; my_identifier address; peers_identifier address; remote_address 192.168.246.12; proposal_check obey; proposal { encryption_algorithm 3des; hash_algorithm sha1; authentication_method pre_shared_key; dh_group 2; } = =20 } = =20 sainfo anonymous { pfs_group 2; lifetime time 1 hour; encryption_algorithm aes,3des; authentication_algorithm hmac_sha512,hmac_sha384,hmac_sha256,hmac_s= ha1; compression_algorithm deflate ; } = =20 But now when I try to replace racoon with strongswan, the following configuration does not work: conn Win2012 keyexchange =3D ikev1 ike=3D3des-sha1-modp1024! esp=3D3des-sha1-modp1024! left=3D192.168.246.1 right=3D192.168.246.12 type=3Dtransport compress=3Dyes authby=3Dpsk auto=3Droute In Wireshark, I see ISAKMP exchange between 192.168.246.1 and 192.168.246.12. Also "service strongswan status" reports that there is a SA: Security Associations (1 up, 0 connecting): Win2012[5]: ESTABLISHED 114 seconds ago, 192.168.246.1[192.168.246.1].= =2E.192.168.246.12[192.168.246.12] but in fact there are none: # setkey -D No SAD entries. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeGbAbAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0VUQH/2gYBYu96I9B6K5cuoy/0KO+ qqIqPqLrWJt8GtTsCMAURfMTmqz7DhFQ/ZJnJVhuqAu82vFP2RrerWs1ATIRD/q1 Jr1Ex1x2AQfQ7P83irsrjka8sOg9unhugAVNLYHtQAxFLHZhoRlFaP4xctQ9T+/G T1QtFEsSZ4p6k34YIqctfTrT0jkVwEBx1jO5as7CoBGuXst2NnI153BF4OLSigex RWMgHEbDwEM4nEg1kFBpo41BbNjiqRnK3d3LwVEXcaKGp7NQiTP3o0rXCjse2Pt5 AHSZfKg+H/zoLo1cV4M1NOdj0txHCvovShLaNTPchH0x06GE73kv0cFDhPQcmYw= =9EW9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 11:23:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0402A2263BD; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vyCl39lNz3x83; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=Sua4B46rMeoElTTCjsMdrkHHiwg9Ali9x4LJXu79rk0=; b=nOo251oLb5JY6OReo66ByQfaVv unJreu+v5HfChQZZnbA7u0C/ghrg1PP4iRpwGsHDOBkjv34RG8tEJm7I/1Ku4vSDA2jh/2m62640M D8QVE1736rQCT+p1iauvBYg67YDDYPakhOk5Chsw5rFgwRODynnYPX48n0/ZJwC0NUx0=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iqErp-000GHF-Rx; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:23:45 +0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:23:45 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Michael Grimm Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Subject: Re: replacement of security/ipsec-tools Message-ID: <20200111112345.GB62210@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vyCl39lNz3x83 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=nOo251oL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-3.28)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.54), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:23:48 -0000 --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Grimm wrote: [dd] >=20 > Then this mail made my day: >=20 > >> What do I need? > >> #) a VPN tunnel between two hosts > >> #) both local networks reachable from the remote host > >=20 > > That is what kernel IPSec is for, you can even do it on static keys > > without any ISAKMP daemon like racoon. See an example in if_ipsec(4). >=20 > I did install my IPSEC/racoon tunnel many years ago and missed the recent= implementation of if_ipsec completely.=20 >=20 > Victor, thank you very, very much for pointing me to this interface. > Now, my tunnel is far less complicated to implement[1], and I will no > longer need security/ipsec-tools at all!=20 You are welcome. But maybe one day you'll want to change your IPSec keys more often than in a manual setup, then you'll return to some ISAKMP implementation. I've been trying out strongswan for the last 2-3 days and must admit it's not that scary when you grasp the concept. But it is not without its problems either, see my another post about it. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeGbBBAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0de4IAJvjbwvFGUBYkg3Hx7Iy9Z6r AyF4FoYlQOBQtW5oYhq//cR05o3ThaQFvgVOMM3sIeqM5jfnaC+KRz9MYjY/kBLv 1LIQrVO+CcQIiZx8EZ5yEnNEGIOgFxzJSnJddvuyt2LOmzmUAwTnbrVLdjtcib5h sJiDQYLAQUKgleWW8svvHNd5crLzlKf8+z7FUicxk8e5khuRLiHwJeHhg8iZeUm/ bP1Jph7cSGMbMWC3vcRMflLzZDBsplIFPWoxBWygNtIPdqbvFgPKgNtNVwpcOwYP hknKFx79ifUVivh5jv50kQsdpzu4IEnRsOp0tvjaINwPgtMytGP5QnxOeLuH4O4= =3kzw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 13:36:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94A61EA53B for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vit@otcnet.ru) Received: from mail.otcnet.ru (mail.otcnet.ru [194.190.78.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47w18d6SSsz44wG for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vit@otcnet.ru) Received: from MacBook-Gamov.local (unknown [195.91.148.145]) by mail.otcnet.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 008EA6E73B for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:36:09 +0300 (MSK) Subject: Re: replacement of security/ipsec-tools To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <50378AC0-0A0A-4E33-961F-3D180987A8C1@ellael.org> <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Victor Gamov Organization: OstankinoTelecom Message-ID: <04c75aaa-d844-2ddc-a437-e2bcab2a7b22@otcnet.ru> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:35:34 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200110035009.GB67842@admin.sibptus.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w18d6SSsz44wG X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vit@otcnet.ru designates 194.190.78.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vit@otcnet.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mail.otcnet.ru]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[otcnet.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.25)[ip: (-8.55), ipnet: 194.190.78.0/24(-4.27), asn: 50822(-3.42), country: RU(0.01)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:50822, ipnet:194.190.78.0/24, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:36:19 -0000 I successfully use strongswan about 2 years to connect FreeBSD-FreeBSD and FreeBSD-Cisco Configuration is simple: ===== /usr/local/stc/rc.conf.d/netif/ipec2001: cloned_interfaces="$cloned_interfaces ipsec2001" create_args_ipsec2001="reqid 2001" ifconfig_ipsec2001="inet 10.10.01.2 10.10.01.3 netmask 255.255.255.254 tunnel up" ===== ===== /usr/local/etc/ipsec.conf conn tmpl_AES256_SHA256 left = leftsubnet = 0.0.0.0/0 rightsubnet = 0.0.0.0/0 authby = psk keyexchange = ikev1 ike = aes256-sha256-modp2048 esp = aes256-sha256 ikelifetime = 28800 mobike = no installpolicy = no lifetime = 3600 auto = start conn REMOTE1 right = reqid = 2001 also = tmpl_AES256_SHA256 ===== ===== /usr/local/etc/ipsec.secrets : PSK "super-secret-PSK" ===== On 10/01/2020 06:50, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Michael Grimm wrote: >> [X-posted, please chose the relevant ML for such a thread] >> >> Hi, >> >> I am running ipsec-tools to implement a VPN tunnel (esp) between >> two hosts for years now. >> >> But this statement on http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net makes me >> think about an alternative: The development of ipsec-tools has been >> ABANDONED. ipsec-tools has security issues, and you should not use >> it. Please switch to a secure alternative! >> >> Could you provide me with links where I could find more details >> about the above mentioned 'security issues'? I want to find out, if >> my specific setup has security issues at all. Thanks. >> >> What would be a secure alternative if one is needed? #) >> security/racoon2 #) security/strongswan #) something else? > > There was also security/isakmpd but is marked as BROKEN now. > > I've been told that strongswan works on FreeBSD. I've tried > installing strongswan, but it looks too complex and tricky in > comparison with racoon. > > If you ever find good documentation/howto for strongswan on > FreeBSD, please share with me. > >> >> What do I need? #) a VPN tunnel between two hosts #) both local >> networks reachable from the remote host > > That is what kernel IPSec is for, you can even do it on static keys > without any ISAKMP daemon like racoon. See an example in > if_ipsec(4). > -- CU, Victor Gamov From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 17:27:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB431EFF5D for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w6HB3XbJz4HtN for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:27:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=ZH+U8/CQLKCrgjvyv7LCLKdYRvhdNzgYdurmTnY1jmY=; b=Bx+/ExfbCaNi5XSumVHbiGo7Gn 1bttOXHD++bkogRJdirMEHsqecRlcyq6CCdzhypaxVHyknPBF7qAJIF4Hivvn+gVUhYjlTpkcYFSE uXt1fbRnsNQ3YRcsZ9xTBdwh8X5eme0hai1mCJbzWFKWxO3+dplsEW+mKk0l9rt5gIEY=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iqKXc-000Kio-LL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:27:16 +0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:27:16 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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Markov via freebsd-questions wrote: > >=20 > > By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a > > convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, rotating...)? > > Gimp would be an overkill. > >=20 > > --=20 > > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ >=20 > I use ImageMagick. Unless I missed something, its GUI viewer "display" is very rudimentary and uncomfortable. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeGgV0AAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0SwkH/2TQ9P+JqNc50kvg1DSe2VZc CF82/Rnzfrp7LeTp0ySUnRsV4+Ij33YWQrtbbaCSlf9ubrZjFOpXSHiD6D+1Vy9V qmD0W3Fcj58WatOw4S+fNRqpNc59KCkpOGLUUxyHqohR5pJAQRXnmg8sI+hychqM E1P7M4ejZqh0b7bsTOLzVJPW7+gFYSB63M1CFWH4Nv3I2XHM/E24DoJtqXETW6Ri Jsha6Ffs3fhCgO7fCd5kGrNp46LTnqTD6mYsDGrQSG+ApQBWSTbEzCHyW9V0pz5F H8TY1Khih/r0TtyrJb3mrDYUDkweefKkjYxKL6sNExIvDbMUJFmYt+l47k16w+w= =xCzk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 17:40:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623F71F03C6 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w6Yx4FTRz4JV3 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=zEHoL7Y2lhBkp19TrwzZhTawPsGpIE3Z8/aMEk5HCaM=; b=Lv2CFLtM5Bn30NIBmqXeaxgZGR xdL6IgRTd3uvFVKYSEHVeshh5Oa8ZhuAYvO2/zJDIegIjmdVJfefiguo0pvRyEP+kEjp/LP8ooeeP Ah/7e/fJTyLlbF5+bW3JXbBY+r0oZGIQISgpEUEu2ksKrRPbrGGPl8myinxVpVxsafyI=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iqKk0-000Kqu-0u for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:40:04 +0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:40:04 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-ID: <20200111174004.GB79597@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200108124148.20eab510.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="98e8jtXdkpgskNou" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200108124148.20eab510.freebsd@edvax.de> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w6Yx4FTRz4JV3 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Lv2CFLtM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.29)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.56), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:40:06 -0000 --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > > By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a > > convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, rotating...)? >=20 > In the past I've been using xzgv (here: "xzgv -tzf ", > to be exact), but the versions after 0.8_9 have been > continuously disimproved. That's why today I'd say EOG or > Geeqie; I hope I got the spelling right because it's not > that easy to remember all those strangely spelled made-up > names... >=20 > Both support manual and automatic "slide change" as well > as fullscreen modes. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Gimp would be an overkill. >=20 > I'm using Gimp. ;-) >=20 > Have you considered trying Krita? >=20 > There's also Pinta and DigiKam, but I have never used them, Wow! They have so many dependencies, I'd rather use gimp :-) Still, it's too complicated. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeGghzAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0dckH/iqSRs3pMerjmCENq0Jnb9Zg mV4bOZHs8KGiZ6r5V1FMkTqRmDKrtAItF2+B2b9PRGxpGNHNNEm3tN8PN1tpufW9 CPFU9vy/Nq0nzwI+1J0YQk7euE4VVhN+7HpOfoIjIZRnK8d5L+YxAvbWsvDuOqVW CteEdDSpWh2OqPQkNIRBccM3Ts9+e/yiVZiiLHS1rAM5m6FmTtZP1PmtA9/kN0fQ FuSvB/1PS9jaNcujTYpsTfaTUkPooheQk/N3E+WZLFwCgojwLcrJk6lUdP3qLFuX Bj7ZImGWJNyVqQBBUNNlRdF5YlUfvvz6xZIIfU1R5obXIgtSU+4bUTq47qT8toE= =TLsn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --98e8jtXdkpgskNou-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 17:45:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19EF1F0782 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w6gx4zGnz4K4K for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=AczD29kfWyX78PLM17+Bh3oEDmRSGHqP1iKmPsGAynE=; b=Nyj2mR5JQl78mOVJljQ4oEXntY 5EaI/gUmQv2Nn1t9cM4M7SQOeSnYr23quUABfBqMfe9LEBuag5zHmeklU0NXsnQLM53uQD4c3gPoa p6m/jSMfHL2M0rQd0I5zN0RrsCjWXSEGilTnF65bNbqPg0yKt77G0jeDTq3I1MgYYMH8=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iqKp2-000Kua-7y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:45:16 +0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:45:16 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-ID: <20200111174516.GC79597@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200108141216.GA7572@localhost.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200108141216.GA7572@localhost.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w6gx4zGnz4K4K X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Nyj2mR5J; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.29)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.56), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:45:18 -0000 --V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:35:25 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a > > convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, rotating...)? > > Gimp would be an overkill. >=20 > I am using xv since 1990 and think it's still the > best for viewing and basic tasks. Oh, I forgot about xv. I did use it 20 years ago. Glad it's still there. Thank you, I'll go with xv for editing, just have to hope it does not corrupt more recent JPEGs. I've also found graphics/ristretto to be a decent viewer. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeGgmsAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0klwH/0CyUEmWHZ+X9pX7wll0RJsL zWNKHVjjEvYipaln/X3GMue9S96xygO0TOf+GEhpqjkPoLtWbJZsJDX0B0sHAwGT KBli1ESuiHQ82RNwQOwlGR5+dqw7D9ktAn3kSCQ573vAASqtBozYF4hS83tNvvvs WS5n4plHKK9ozd1SqlO032Va3z0hS/XaVDoAXm2rQiK3qxtiYxh14A7uqk90F8Bz nPJTxnBzSaw2wuyS46y0E2QmW1xKts5/Z+3KPq2pqtkpRA5Ugyd/m+qWfTJfDSSd +y8+DyYyt8tVNI1kPchP2AlfVE8IKa33VCsV99VGN5my3hJUyEjEC6fBCJyv3r0= =Eobq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 18:19:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044C31F123A for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w7Rq3ZzDz4LVV for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: o7ORDBIVM1mjjr6SVYcNcCWkGecy_sg3Hyef7qIZ7t95YfVCKpCR.wnOs9424CO i0G6VqSbqcCnAEaSKYPLXhahga1raFRV94OXkLLYrD.JHmvLlApG9eVqXpyevqoZKMPuFP7aWmok Qi7qQnLLA9xJSJul.2e2aQRV3Pf7zupxEGvjkQFwZMw8Y.AaWRBYKoM_TgQKreMzXO6QtmXVpmiZ vU4FFKCcCYED6OmYDvJaNIKLvVyDUaiEDzsDe.9sWpvRydoVNMWGP1odOC81hvLSP9Lffvzt83JN sjXWtwnNccP6AkGJqt82Wcb3WaqkfaX_W5YKUJHCiwnCog.ugP9ThFAMov3mM9jatKTXuk3kfBTO DL8S54IFmGMJaaVG0aj2ywojKB0xiQ6wZpbBrHYFN0xK5FdJakAK7TxeL15t2sgNLTrylceJNFJo pGm6nhWMKdOzH04ghZZvYYkIiFlWpDl5vTtSol3EEcEIEMxTS7zhzW9yL0xDXLHb56g45nG.6Nv3 GtkK8H65C_VDgiv3kln7r81cofU4_iDkAp3EjL2GjFuLG75hTwfqUxqD.23O_ubVGhTE_SM2aMTv 7Kq4ey6BBkI2do6N.FrCNBpElFx4emxYq_VaBjGPY65FRpDo3kly_YhpuoavGdOyUY.Q4Lg04Xv4 THsB2rkbaGJhcNVr2H.7vIWr9vSDriaj62AsRimRjgCMbWveA50ESJvjejnP2ieHC6sSBP8MKUDt A8XgqhyeMtziLMgqytUshbD7Qm9.Vb2WW2Hls.iH4ll5LouYWn.kNN0R6UIfa_HnLz5.blU7LnRC nRuhtNhnfHV24wQcG13lhGTkTMVBEMOX5BJfyYf2KfCUUJbcH.iAGxIVLtSsFoXTyJDiQwXRnhiK Xy1UpkRtvSl86qnzNm50npApL5k.n_FeCYxINAO3JnUxl2yf8Pdxcv284WJyVZbmxPlej9fwaiwI ASgepcQ75VxJvW_f.5Zc5kg5_v2MD5HmAE4jFg0WFxVifJW32W47uhOf9V3LMAj4zfetVJ2Hggjy O7FgQq.5c3oV0RGdIPSEsbNmQK46.4ifeQKyrW4Qvqb7Twje2_FFteg0gG3OGFki9cj47AntxRJs LMpxaGzY_VqMSjxmQkWf42KecYY_K8yR9vExzXO5QJJMW1QS7BShtl_KFsJkoUKyIYBUdvnvCO.C JZTjl9_t2nTiod10tlJ_TYGCkPbWl2Cxla36DUDfjzqNiOpLDxyqYkoOlYuW_Cp1i..eZ0MbZEHB dFEHqvnpMhJgkXBtpbDz07_FD6lqGfos1wpGks8eJJsxuNQe5CBaLy.NGQQ0gfZl8MyRYsv8R8pR Fn3jy0X61lJuEcd4IpBpDq.6de1p3HZPjCPNJnlAfNnPaKxv9YC700GKRnsYspBMx4ktZcHp.XCS .Naz48Gc- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:19:48 +0000 Received: by smtp401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6ef6ecb03f2f73d809824b810eaaba7c; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:19:51 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-ID: <20200111191951.1eae72e7@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200111174004.GB79597@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200108124148.20eab510.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200111174004.GB79597@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w7Rq3ZzDz4LVV X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.77 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.02), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.21), asn: 34010(1.74), country: GB(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.699,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.57)[0.565,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[206.176.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[206.176.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:19:54 -0000 On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:40:04 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >Polytropon wrote: >> > By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a >> > convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, >> > rotating...)? >> >> In the past I've been using xzgv (here: "xzgv -tzf ", >> to be exact), but the versions after 0.8_9 have been >> continuously disimproved. That's why today I'd say EOG or >> Geeqie; I hope I got the spelling right because it's not >> that easy to remember all those strangely spelled made-up >> names... >> >> Both support manual and automatic "slide change" as well >> as fullscreen modes. >> >> >> >> > Gimp would be an overkill. >> >> I'm using Gimp. ;-) >> >> Have you considered trying Krita? >> >> There's also Pinta and DigiKam, but I have never used them, > >Wow! They have so many dependencies, I'd rather use gimp :-) Still, >it's too complicated. > If disk space isn't an issue, don't care about the amount of dependencies. In my experiences with Linux, _not with FreeBSD_ machines_, GIMP way more often tends to be broken, than Krita does. OTOH Krita's pitfall are display colour settings. Unlikely GIMP or Krita will be to complicated for your propose after using them a few times to crop and rotated pictures, but unfortunately they are a PITA to use as an image viewer, since it takes way to long to load a picture. I've got nearly all available Linux viewers installed, non of them is to my taste. However, if you want to do simple editing and fast viewing, consider to sync with a smart phone or tablet PC ;). A problem with at least iPadOS is the HEIC format and while I'm on a rolling Linux release (Arch Linux), I still needed to build... $ sudo pacman -Syu [snip] warning: ifuse: local (1.1.3.r6.ge75d32c-1) is newer than community (1.1.3-6) [snip] ..ifuse myself. Not necessarily needed to sync pictures, but other sync options come with pitfalls, too. Using it is a PITA, but fortunately iPadOS allows to connect to a shared external drive. I don't know if iOS and Android allow this, too. I do understand that you want to do it with FreeBSD. I would like to do it with Linux. Since FreeBSD and Linux software doesn't provide what we want to do, this is a workaround. One machine not necessarily needs to do a good job for everything. My dishwasher isn't that good, when using it as a sandwich toaster. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 18:32:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799621F16DC for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w7kb1Dn5z4MBb for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Ht9KqFsVM1nohxj6EpQgC67IMr.EitfhNHvOAtJj2Ivq8BDXxC19htLq.bDjQb. lXAqpQ0DkP71mpe03KRAD0WTlh0V_GlHIEXWxggAUh1K3GFtmHBFbigcpKdqSHywFUpjHRe4cgT3 6UuJA.b.9hZN_bBJNKJdw8Px7Neal17UQk8dShRXimEqkJZRZd3C29iO5.6P73C5rgVT1xCEUpsa drQLfGgQstUPyFLFuBb5gnXJpehy6x35YaTQ4Ty_NIU7tP_2Jd8Xa7AKBE2xIcsrDWP1McFYYF3f _4XgjUFPhh8E10OFCTeZ4i8H41MhCKpgHrOnoIMx3wSHomTUZOpcGuDnZGaV_Gbc8EdM3JRivItB dGIhh.m.P_JZ1XK4SxNlnPkkUuCC4AEYknZbSZhoh_Wzvc60Iu7.jY2IKC4bGf5tMUZ6rSqpS63Y VuqPWIs_efmVM39TZ1jlxzeHCXi49JQ7DDQUliqbv4GfBs7Sqxy2a47TL3vNvDpWO0OecxkOiefv JdSpwhCoLYpyoAfU8fy1__b0niwwVCggEjD1RmNCah6lv0yVcWE4riwz5Xgk2PLx1pAoQqB.UpDU 8gl.ZM293EhfYciGyqKQO_iDVXgp_kGzJyX0hUMSt.VIbzrvYRsTmPliZL7DFeOh_jtTFffjO7gm R3nW3Dvh2NU8c6AQXo.LqHyCR1kHxMewyyvuOVZRUS0Hw.WfVONmG62SItRYB8Z7HhVISwEyYlUo LJpAA8Rs6VoTkqaY.qLoiln1NETofmMqWFsij49zryzu6DW1Kn3YNl2KFtXCNComZP6gulgDpnZc l2rtrBoYWML77d6A8jkxfeIUzj3NtVKWGOg0LBcAfy58JPyJd5qvDwJDFwgoE93VquQ2uZYLEhzE 45ohGN_JliNwfQNfUoiVwpTlQCuVbdZjQVolFDiaXA2zQewXEjQFqFowBXAUk76jEI91mk4ne2q0 bo.KKek9X_1gZ7KiEzn3k_0Rk5tOT8Vr66ralkiXxtsToaJhqULj_.N0LOAMPkrD9TCzce3sD2aw rVtCgHYuzJtmuUIelK.xqhRFnJSttqeFquW8Q4Mm3Pb8FqcY4ukmsd.WZxwZwH3056YJ.q1UPbv_ f15Nv0oPrel4bh_2vxmw5N6J9ZA0scm6KL5EG69I14_nMiAAE9YA5Spdr26FSyI._cntoxUH1bmx xY2gO0m3CTKi07A9VobyCX03K0uc.c6A5pe4u7NNyx5pAWTM03874ZRi.2TLMagImr1_fJSJnd6b kgNOiIkza.h76TQ4RlutBrt.WjGvOXBc1fc3XSz0aD75dGBonNvqarjAk_FHrvSY_J5Yz1vr61H1 d7i5X4U7dc28Ug1gddjMNwLGborUlyTlySK16ajPcqLPg58pGotRNjBUrRIitDnLAeq.mZMPKIfQ YckUCehZ7.7cu1w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:32:36 +0000 Received: by smtp432.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 85d20460c4ef8d8215f5d0f263187de5; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:32:39 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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I doubt that it will corrupt those JPEGs, I suspect it will simply not accept them in the first place. Actually I do not know, if it's a problem for this particular software. I experienced modern JPEGs as a big problem with all the software I'm using with Linux as well as iPadOS. Some JPEGs can't be displayed by some software and some pics that could be displayed by all of the used software, can't be displayed anymore with all software, after I edit them. Some of the Linux software is still able to display them, while non of the iPadOS software can do so. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 18:57:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1402A1F2008 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w8HQ6SwPz4NV2 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 00BIvWkF039398; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: Victor Sudakov cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? In-Reply-To: <20200111174516.GC79597@admin.sibptus.ru> Message-ID: References: <20200108141216.GA7572@localhost.org> <20200111174516.GC79597@admin.sibptus.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w8HQ6SwPz4NV2 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@monochrome.org has no SPF policy when checking 71.163.255.121) smtp.mailfrom=chris@monochrome.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[monochrome.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.82)[0.818,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.923,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:71.163.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[asn: 701(0.77), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:57:40 -0000 On Sun, 12 Jan 2020, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach wrote: >>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:35:25 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >>> By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: a >>> convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, >>> rotating...)? Gimp would be an overkill. >> >> I am using xv since 1990 and think it's still the >> best for viewing and basic tasks. > > Oh, I forgot about xv. I did use it 20 years ago. Glad it's still > there. Thank you, I'll go with xv for editing, just have to hope it > does not corrupt more recent JPEGs. I've been using xv for many years, and I have never had a problem with it failing to read JPEGs. For me, the only thing close to an issue is that xv will not "play" animated GIFs, but just shows one frame. As problems go, that's pretty close to zero. > I've also found graphics/ristretto to be a decent viewer. I could go for a nice shot of espresso :^) > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ > -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 19:11:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6AE1F23E6 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w8bs3mvbz4PCG for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com with SMTP id dc14so2312314qvb.9 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:11:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:face:mime-version; bh=5sJpb91hQ5lFfo2D3Gt0q8j73iZS562mOvnR5W6g5Kw=; b=halZQsuyHjLyAe0wEYNOLPvbNNOOGVEw4BEj+i7flSiDPjSJfRgiDbTLaJ3D+X0gDy Il+vQzJSGxSmXtSCeIA7c41F8rtnGzpjatI3kcMkvtIPVyZn/huh3lP2W+SEvMaUi7BX JlyLuolEiwZ4jQg9kv8Bbg1jRRi+WqwnKof2o= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:face:mime-version; bh=5sJpb91hQ5lFfo2D3Gt0q8j73iZS562mOvnR5W6g5Kw=; b=lxpaZfj/IIP4L89x0a9Pd3Pne1DpkT1jHpcvkMkHr+2Wd9U4tIDP7WVwWAH7RKGqVC 3zO5B3WcZ1i40HO0kSPIjqcr8WRGVpR5oXEmzaVZf21LQAabOeHYrZo9dsuSWHUfV3K1 u+LqS0czXhpIjbbKfOxFE7Rvmfd1a39R7j9PUGhy9Hmf9AHiIAwafv/U5ApRewq3eQpc N5BkRmQddCMvBZG/0oK5srNkFR0YAgSzZzGicDDnQPAZ6t0H5wGO3GuzFcyatJhbjzEU w6jG8qREQBVjEJgdoaJO+opuPvooe2/N3HFUGJQYSjUYKbfTnJpe4dh4OiS3n4TzDxJW y2Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXo7rgHrF3LRCixVpHtBo5vuIdzzm8vQ1chqAiFmncD4drssVFP JshNMwrziL427kLD0b+DYVrlHixfjt0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx613aGgmy+D4AI3MkPm9497CpoNPqyuGSYuYjCO+cVxAV6n7mEgCzd6RKYeIGlfg+KgYqx4w== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:13a3:: with SMTP id h3mr8808857qvz.212.1578769907300; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. 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That's why today I'd say EOG or >>> Geeqie; I hope I got the spelling right because it's not >>> that easy to remember all those strangely spelled made-up >>> names... >>>=20 >>> Both support manual and automatic "slide change" as well >>> as fullscreen modes. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> > Gimp would be an overkill. =20 >>>=20 >>> I'm using Gimp. ;-) >>>=20 >>> Have you considered trying Krita? >>>=20 >>> There's also Pinta and DigiKam, but I have never used them, =20 >> >>Wow! They have so many dependencies, I'd rather use gimp :-) Still, >>it's too complicated. >> =20 > >If disk space isn't an issue, don't care about the amount of >dependencies. In my experiences with Linux, _not with FreeBSD_ >machines_, GIMP way more often tends to be broken, than Krita does. >OTOH Krita's pitfall are display colour settings. >Unlikely GIMP or Krita will be to complicated for your propose after >using them a few times to crop and rotated pictures, but unfortunately >they are a PITA to use as an image viewer, since it takes way to long >to load a picture. >I've got nearly all available Linux viewers installed, non of them is >to my taste. However, if you want to do simple editing and fast >viewing, consider to sync with a smart phone or tablet PC ;). >A problem with at least iPadOS is the HEIC format and while I'm on a >rolling Linux release (Arch Linux), I still needed to build... > >$ sudo pacman -Syu >[snip] >warning: ifuse: local (1.1.3.r6.ge75d32c-1) is newer than community >(1.1.3-6) >[snip] > >..ifuse myself. Not necessarily needed to sync pictures, but other sync >options come with pitfalls, too. Using it is a PITA, but fortunately >iPadOS allows to connect to a shared external drive. I don't know if >iOS and Android allow this, too. > >I do understand that you want to do it with FreeBSD. I would like to do >it with Linux. Since FreeBSD and Linux software doesn't provide what we >want to do, this is a workaround. > >One machine not necessarily needs to do a good job for everything. My >dishwasher isn't that good, when using it as a sandwich toaster. I have used a lot of different image viewers and editors over the years. I always find myself coming back to Adobe Photoshop. It is not free of course; however, there are numerous cost effective leasing plans available. The only real downside is that it is not compatible with FreeBSD. The question you have to ask yourself is which is more important to you, cost or usability? --=20 Jerry --Sig_/bhJRpYeKQZSecvuy=DNW61E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl4aHesACgkQOHMGOIfe xWSrHQf/fNoBEyI3FZQPoiLkCqb2RXG8nYmJOH6H0r+NcU+udJRkj6gE7JTCCtWK tpkscweXLg0bwkmvxJSSAlTJQzGqj+7kVjJ5MXOoJF65m1kWLywhwHOG3dYY+xnR troKiBNdPsBnqFFxgKwp9+CYFLO+2FRpAF/2NCEwAGlgWaF2G60PxI+6FBGdHgXy B+oDfb4ruZCnT9lnSYVo2+x/WlNXQNge/ur8MDLSwUMvmyCoSr64oOo14/1JAF1o JYvWssMHNkBEWSEyYzHzybgejExGWSkVL00m91TgihNMMHiuut9IOARnNxMNCEeg 0/3fDK17j+wgydl1IsMdXoAq76QyGg== =z8SV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/bhJRpYeKQZSecvuy=DNW61E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 19:16:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5BC1F275E for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic304-23.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic304-23.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w8hq3mX4z4PdR for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: jfbDjIgVM1kZIJ9mGKfcru_HPCVeBKE6n.ejgjUCj4fC418CHP2krVGxDCn6XbP ONX_KgrvQ0arwfs34nLnQzEoSxDYMMDyEcox_S.21f_yYW2OVpL53AR0IM9ZHXvKhmnQQMCjc1Ne qXVCETb1nXMgrM1alOLRh5DCs7f0FMHPr_me1S.s4l00QyXNmo5qKooxSU_9L2jTZV5WKKdcXfyz FciiTnTwgD39AEMQqT6btSytPT7DwoCn.xdZ5LpsD6GxeFZtaIBWjF5pNeaTeG5qCSmf9xB6AF0h pSgcLIYxSMJ.5LD7DpzVwIxwJZZ9hV8wEx4Gvvmey9ZGlMqJUVA8IJ4ex3DEFKYljBs0MYeZVlX5 ORTbw14afhmk_L5CqJ0ecDbvS.fuGghmukd7dIIELvLbvpUNEJPqN_KBae82nhdPceRbL31J1xfg SgJTF89_emaFCnPzG7PlF58jbVhmOkSRoLc9PODZezuxVbw6aD2Wq8x9bEk.HPo4g69RY.1PTWAt nG2vUNRxkBvIbRZNN8fu7_hXNkuhK6CLXHqS5VnKzbuGB4s0l1PF_YFq7R1YjMX4jyGBT5I2u1kS jnYQljB0QqEtKNZYTlVvDNZ94cGn45jN5PMJ3UU39dYqPOcGvEOgph1Z9fvIuCIT7Ohsg7zXm5ky L1YXP023y79lTB7E_x2g9_vkDDINqpWpZAGkmgKmJgoyyi28DB4eJzvSTIrYGHqCyN1LdS140LpG 2nYNwKesvBTTw6Lv2LcXDGkOmL1ZGho0jF0mJzhbNcBYdTTRWdZMt_w3TYtgzn6UIAXMxIibH_wS ZRk1qtMbgGURdzotKl3zTbLWTyFvB4gYuipbGjKweDSI0Oi54vAkrpCePLv2lOqDvYYxm7MrqwSo Qm9F5vQ1xU_9BIJZGuhnIKIG5Q0lI0_pHN2lCYAh.gxDw.NZ.AC975etVVr4aywsPL7aBHTIEDQ_ cwPl9rV5IEkaQx.3x06faeU8eontxYCEgU6rNqrnt5OKhiJtOJlPMPfBcu.KLbmkqKTa5brcH6XA JXkN1zryiczQlBEjQOEFFCwL0ggl7G5WJp9Sc3w.yQ0pNFsCZwvDFERIokg2hs3iHYHRioNJ.wH9 lEInRxiPWwcWN0qereeMww6GQfttHzHnbsAmTDmgpgfhbU.RBTWEB4PgusIexv8Ef5ltPJloiK_a j9hxmqO76a8b5fb2eKhmfJ80KDGx2298xbq.ofzBgLD49ZU7P1mIfXsQcOYciDHs.5Hn7hQpj3nT EZ5BoeXl9Ml7kj8M8_fn_lSi4onaWgt7PDEHL7P1H0QuuJfPOw02wcGlCvSJvYz7UBAA32xWKPHQ 52Vxx1iL.rbQ4yCFfjP5VIWe_quqrF_TbvIGFNe3Ura81zDkJ.hrZLFgRuwuOR4nJSCJpWSrlbac LLwUL62JdV74E Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:16:09 +0000 Received: by smtp406.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2587009f6d2aa6a8830971c2c8d2cc58; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:16:12 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subject: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-ID: <20200111201612.53ef4330@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20200108141216.GA7572@localhost.org> <20200111174516.GC79597@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w8hq3mX4z4PdR X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.698,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.62)[0.621,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.88), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.21), asn: 34010(1.74), country: GB(-0.08)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:16:12 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:57:32 -0500 (EST), Chris Hill wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jan 2020, Victor Sudakov wrote: >>Thank you, I'll go with xv for editing, just have to hope it >> does not corrupt more recent JPEGs. > >I've been using xv for many years, and I have never had a problem with >it failing to read JPEGs. I can't comment on xv. I don't know when I noticed the very first time issues with JPEGs, maybe it's around half a year ago. A lot of software that worked for years, too, nowadays can't display all JPEGs anymore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 19:29:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C48E1F2DEE for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w8zm3kFYz4QJZ for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [100.68.146.170] (183.sub-174-192-149.myvzw.com [174.192.149.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00BJQtS5025502 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:27:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) From: Tim Daneliuk To: , Jerry Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:26:46 -0600 Message-ID: <16f9612b4f0.27bc.0b331fcf0b21179f1640bd439e3f4a1e@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <20200111141138.3aa68c51@scorpio> References: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200108124148.20eab510.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200111174004.GB79597@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200111191951.1eae72e7@archlinux> <20200111141138.3aa68c51@scorpio> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.22.0-1511 (build: 102200004) Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:27:46 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 00BJQtS5025502 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, timed out) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w8zm3kFYz4QJZ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:29:08 -0000 GIMP On January 11, 2020 1:13:28 PM Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:19:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions > stated: >> On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:40:04 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >>> Polytropon wrote: >>>> > By your personal experience, what software do you use for photos: >>>> > a convenient viewer/slideshow, and a basic editor (cropping, >>>> > rotating...)? >>>> >>>> In the past I've been using xzgv (here: "xzgv -tzf ", >>>> to be exact), but the versions after 0.8_9 have been >>>> continuously disimproved. That's why today I'd say EOG or >>>> Geeqie; I hope I got the spelling right because it's not >>>> that easy to remember all those strangely spelled made-up >>>> names... >>>> >>>> Both support manual and automatic "slide change" as well >>>> as fullscreen modes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Gimp would be an overkill. >>>> >>>> I'm using Gimp. ;-) >>>> >>>> Have you considered trying Krita? >>>> >>>> There's also Pinta and DigiKam, but I have never used them, >>> >>> Wow! They have so many dependencies, I'd rather use gimp :-) Still, >>> it's too complicated. >>> >> >> If disk space isn't an issue, don't care about the amount of >> dependencies. In my experiences with Linux, _not with FreeBSD_ >> machines_, GIMP way more often tends to be broken, than Krita does. >> OTOH Krita's pitfall are display colour settings. >> Unlikely GIMP or Krita will be to complicated for your propose after >> using them a few times to crop and rotated pictures, but unfortunately >> they are a PITA to use as an image viewer, since it takes way to long >> to load a picture. >> I've got nearly all available Linux viewers installed, non of them is >> to my taste. However, if you want to do simple editing and fast >> viewing, consider to sync with a smart phone or tablet PC ;). >> A problem with at least iPadOS is the HEIC format and while I'm on a >> rolling Linux release (Arch Linux), I still needed to build... >> >> $ sudo pacman -Syu >> [snip] >> warning: ifuse: local (1.1.3.r6.ge75d32c-1) is newer than community >> (1.1.3-6) >> [snip] >> >> ..ifuse myself. Not necessarily needed to sync pictures, but other sync >> options come with pitfalls, too. Using it is a PITA, but fortunately >> iPadOS allows to connect to a shared external drive. I don't know if >> iOS and Android allow this, too. >> >> I do understand that you want to do it with FreeBSD. I would like to do >> it with Linux. Since FreeBSD and Linux software doesn't provide what we >> want to do, this is a workaround. >> >> One machine not necessarily needs to do a good job for everything. My >> dishwasher isn't that good, when using it as a sandwich toaster. > > I have used a lot of different image viewers and editors over the > years. I always find myself coming back to Adobe Photoshop. It is not > free of course; however, there are numerous cost effective leasing > plans available. The only real downside is that it is not compatible > with FreeBSD. The question you have to ask yourself is which is more > important to you, cost or usability? > > -- > Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 19:43:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968431F3385 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:43:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic313-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic313-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47w9Hy2r0dz4R98 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: C52FB.oVM1mqIgsOTnQpVzhRTT_gIaoLYDL5LGMlp5GAYikb66VjRINej_q2wRM NfvR8VXGZ9b4hWkrI6e23LRxvG0_Ie7L5ZWpCfV5CQpkXQG.wBAYkuUGwf2z1.9S22L7NibtjhO. y.DYHlNVEUdVBd.xnx89czKltEDh4wiho9B5a20B9MDp9ucK5BQvhwm2gN7S1sNr6JZcprVoRYY3 QSMgzg3r8st.22bzMbRJWQ.KltCKLj5XM9drj6VBJHvZqJzkRDTlLypF.uMbcK6YNuAJJpNy2HLX nA0vBkSE4JCm4DVW.SIgEmkZ7.g4hpIeXck3zJDd2NkBEJPQ91Rc5XRuGj3Fne7UEneHDLassi5u XjTBLy3CSEpW9dKe9AFTRRG0sV0Rz5AykWYXDyrcxcWLwRmJOXxUc6iHqQTYRr1rZ0Vpm5TwsFTN kQyYjKEBSDL7q6Wk5zlK0gqRy7XCA8vPHAJE3XQgZ8ACoXNG1zWycjZaWs25ewzMfc6W.TmSo7d4 dFfMd3X4i1wn46m0I6pV8CdNScBBTfksKdhWMAsIfLZ6kVY47uZlMlN.khDh32xS7.IMsRB7zD83 plfT4ftxpB0XvQq.Xnn0V2YPSjRvBUKZep7wdWIfenjW9oNrIuB0mqzaN8UTb946GCKsCDBdBesP 6mlJP4VYRdgFjp.hTqSgpkkLzBjOE02_Z4pW3MI5YYtde2pMmUstdlnvy5tBMKmuz6cdPZHnSIpT Bl8otzAL_Y0GTGEAj.YwhGyz3FgZoSsEvIBbpDZkJc_a1hX3d3xWvLNPjq.Ho6A63cOwPw42U_4z T5O7LbBU3NCv4NEHA4UC66SuGzX3R_PfO0LAALNYaMa.IMiPQiOoHt8AOTTOhaWdy_JeTRS6myep Zs4ivMcLYug82a8YI.DyYJmslWOtCiB178Fr6LPK7gC.ssTyy9G18vDtjip3zqsqqD2vZ50NQxAA KW21mOU.eoOToUA75QYKq2Uu7qTQi2CYF4czabQIvA0QcyVYCfYg9mZQR6uU5gSqrkjUwNRPy2k2 WHmehatNxWJMyQJ.hMKEKr358qLtuVVdGTskHwO7fUXkWWOzXuuM0QYULBMP_xr30LEGiK4uF_Kh jK35GCiA2GWzFw653q29ve9psII5bQFLxOmPOvvZcUbI1h14tCZ7RmTaS3R.rYVKKGpn7LRv_S8l lCb.CBTkH9yyAdlgv0WLcS6C5hxc9sjSzLTReyMbPqfkpKNGvWI2qWKrqQKBAe_k564gsXYLi4ej rTrkTvI1yE28B5oC6p4R1Z3XVsIcqxAq.2tY4rA0qDXLfDnnlKYmkAzpIi2kI1k_OuZW74HUL8AA Fw5eVGVk9zjqesHDdwxyrPiM4nHpcD5JRENcMjNvnrfEt6dw.Exb8m9sn7FOzO7QYoe2weBxJlGP 8e6gMygGB63N30Q-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:43:08 +0000 Received: by smtp403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b29f31c96e7e5db91d3f51c3fc690772; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:43:10 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? Message-ID: <20200111204310.62c97ccc@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200111141138.3aa68c51@scorpio> References: <20200108053525.GA50045@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200108124148.20eab510.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200111174004.GB79597@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200111191951.1eae72e7@archlinux> <20200111141138.3aa68c51@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47w9Hy2r0dz4R98 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:43:10 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 14:11:38 -0500, Jerry wrote: >The question you have to ask yourself is which is more >important to you, cost or usability? Unfortunately there is a third question. Are we willing to stand a restricted proprietary policy? I'm willing to pay for the software that provides the wanted usability. I would do this for FLOSS software, too. Unfortunately I need to pay for restricted proprietary solutions, since FLOSS is decades behind restricted proprietary software in the domain that is most important to me (music production). Regarding images FLOSS as well as restricted proprietary software has got it's pro and cons. FLOSS isn't that bad in that domain. I prefer a restricted proprietary solution over FLOSS regarding the hardware. Using a 12.9-inch iPad Pro with an Apple pencil 2 and even cheap software, you/I only need to pay just one time, instead of paying a high monthly rent, works out of the box. I wonder if a graphic tablet compatible with FreeBSD and/or Linux, with an integrated monitor and a usable pencil works with reasonable latency OOTB and at the same time is not more expensive, than an iPad Pro. If so, I never heard of it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 20:22:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC01F3EDF for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47wB9D0Q1Cz4Sjs for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00BKL30L026351 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 14:21:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.51)[-0.506,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.33)[-0.334,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; IP_SCORE(0.50)[ip: (-3.38), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(4.27), asn: 14061(1.66), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:22:25 -0000 On 1/11/20 1:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 14:11:38 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> The question you have to ask yourself is which is more >> important to you, cost or usability? > Unfortunately there is a third question. > > Are we willing to stand a restricted proprietary policy? I have been a serious photographer for over 4 decades. I still shoot mostly film and process it myself in a wet darkroom. When I do shoot digital images, I use a pro-level Nikon D FX series camera. I find GIMP (and Darktable) not restrictive in any meaningful way. These tools far exceed my photo manipulation requirements. The ONLY reason to use Photoshop is that it is the default go-to for professional studios and production houses. That's where the pro ecosystem was built and remains. This doesn't make it better, it's just the standard among pros. There are limitations to GIMP. If you're shooting with a 16bit/color, 100Mpix back on a $50,000 digital camera, yeah, GIMP will be limiting. But for the 99.9999% of people who are manipulating far lower end imagery, GIMP is just fine. But in this case, you're likely working on a Mac, not reading freebsd-questions :) In any case, the effort very few people bother with that makes way more of a difference than photo editor: Calibrating their monitor and printer (if they print their own stuff). Color space matching is crucial if you want to get a final result that looks like what you see on screen. P.S. I would also note that most people vastly over manipulate their images. I have seen more garish dreck produced with excessive HDR and color saturation adjustment than the most stoned filthy hippie painter in the 1960s could have imagined ... P.P.S. A few examples of my work - some with fairly low rent equipment. All of the digital stuff and scans of the silver prinnts edited with GIMP on an unremarkable Linux desktop: Digital: https://www.tundraware.com/Photography/MyPhotographs/DigiPix/ Analog: https://www.tundraware.com/Photography/MyPhotographs/Silver/ -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 20:23:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760351F3FA8 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47wBB45C01z4Spn for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id d139so6805740wmd.0 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 12:23:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wWfeKRxTcs1RQp/qccyGm8ugcuPgotkUDuHzU/9MEY0=; b=m87zjQMdGVzsc/wRNaRhWrDOWxyWYKVFjtFIg+FmbLaK6BGGSiaKZF5t/w+a7D0LLN tkRA2gxHDnNEK5XPHG/28M7HDdKEuP7z+0GiJR5g2O4ZGf3vXVhBKKl3FNBHaDFm2vI/ R25FAcslYwptFjAWOjwEF1eQVuGdURYyknaW7ep8opHRVifWdwgQPT16G+c0KkWUtdMs ZYcx3c0z+Wc4Ww+0gA9qq6QHkSCAWlEy/4kNLlpFW0hn1cYtE0kFyu6Hr1NMmSmXAfb5 RT7LBbdFYMIMJEcG/zNMIexD4fZCUu8XJAg60HeQT9/kFdIh1X1psScYh55jZhOVjDXz zXaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wWfeKRxTcs1RQp/qccyGm8ugcuPgotkUDuHzU/9MEY0=; b=CpL8vjUa7F7c0x65PYRwAUFycuGI1uQDEW2DzSC9Hm1DpQjrjI444e8B1+/WnCFQrZ gTxCM4n7lt7NWOWmbCKJty5qPfx1pljU0eCuhgaHWxR3YJmCzDGFjSjDMLqTksts0n4V t/kFI/f+XuAOeGBnlHpSYkaUTZzyXc25X1qMJlIlmhAOn91aABAtyO3E2aIvD5tGx6mi bOXcQtKEu0jVGStrKb/dbhO653jjQ5ivYKRSY4borlwz3QLW51liIZWdKJCYvE4ZsJTx ovNp048/roQ8PoLxAWYB5ZxpIUvxLlwTZffLCeKClmeJRiNCaLVLrhd4PEOjjQRBHJRt 8qTw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVjXtl07PC2FH6YBIPFJ2bSmVt3f+BRLQVEwntJVXDtkTw7lHk2 y/u5DkzOSKcP9EGay+61SG9zoyUx1VxzUj66LMRn330a X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx3gswZOIGjDLSqhULwYk4P7TuedCItfMfC3WvlYfb5Quqq9rUKTpsmuBPxrxzcVvP8HIrvOwtC/FO8RgpO6ns= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2298:: with SMTP id 24mr11805786wmf.65.1578774186208; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 12:23:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:dec5:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 12:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Mehler Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 15:23:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: to users of roundcube specifically v1.4.x To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47wBB45C01z4Spn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=m87zjQMd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::332 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.18), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.60), asn: 15169(-1.84), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:23:09 -0000 Hello, I'm using FreeBSD 12.x. To users of roundcubemail how are you using plugins with it? Are you running all extensions as well as the primary app via ports or are you using composer to install plugins? If the latter how did you get that going? If the former any port-compatibility issues from 1.3.x to 1.4.x? Thanks. Dave. 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[snip] Hi, I moved my reply to freebsd-chat, https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2020-January/007383.html . Regards, Ralf