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To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <72173.1589672025@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 03:01:52 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72173.1589672025@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Pj4P3mwkz4BRl X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=VQbHBplO; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=AhuNFw/Y; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 64.147.123.24 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.123.24]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fastmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.82), ipnet: 64.147.123.0/24(-4.92), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[24.123.147.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[24.123.147.64.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:01:58 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message <06696e14-e7e5-f212-4ef0-b89e7e78cde5@fastmail.com>, > Yuri Pankov wrote: > >> I'm interested in more details on this as I could be somewhat involved >> (see PR 202290). What release did you upgrade from/to? Could you >> provide a simple test case that shows the issue? > > Yuri, > > I've just read PR 202290 and I have added to it a one line attachment > which is a test case that demonstrates the issue/problem I have been > experiencing, which sounds like it is most probably the same issue > as in PR 202290. (But I would like your opinion on that.) > > The test case is just a From: line from am email sent to me by a > european correspondant of mine. (Note that I use NHM as a mail > client, and that it in turn invokes vi to edit new outbound > messages and replies, which is where I frequently encounter this > issue/problem.) > > I'm too embarassed to tell you what versions of FreeBSD I last did > an upgrade from. Let's just say that it was certifiably ancient. > My last full upgrade was to 12.0-RELEASE and that date on my local > vi is as follows: > > -r-xr-xr-x 6 root wheel 461872 Dec 6 2018 /usr/bin/vi > > I guess that I simply need to upgrade that in order to get your > fix for this issue (?) > > (Yes, I tend to be altogether too lax in keeping this particular > system upgraded.) No, it's not that bug after all. The issue is that (n)vi now (for quite some time :-) defaults to UTF-8 when it can't reliably detect the file encoding, so you'll just have to help it a bit adding the following to ~/.nexrc: set fileencoding=iso8859-1 This way (n)vi will check if file encoding looks like UTF-8, and if not, it will use ISO8859-1 as fallback. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 00:15:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E7F2DB239 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 00:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ypankov@fastmail.com) Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PjNP5vM8z4CHM for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 00:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ypankov@fastmail.com) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B6D79D; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 16 May 2020 20:15:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= subject:from:to:cc:references:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm2; bh=J brS1DHmfhyJHDkYTBKjckHSqBR3K8hv/hnDpdlflng=; b=Y4t3VcXdUzMjS8v0a PLEixFYTLstk5/e5ZY8jm3DwpOp18V37D+/aGD3KKFeleeiL/cJL2Gfy+HDE9iao fQ4brya/pEh5vTwgKvbHI/6qneOyuZIwPNU3hRyTkomt8A59FM9n6o095mfulzwK bodyhKySLXWitBaijv8DBJksgpi8JJWULuGefL4fG8/3oj7252b67NgOOB7czlUB EXLmmFiRfioGi0wkuYznjJ42lSgW8tBloZP5AYa3OmoMc0uNbP7bZljSdisT6XsN sPreH+Ob4JQUz3xdOb7EviUtsrMoo+b3/OSuF1AuKAJMYh0Yuzcy2/wUn0grChb/ XXD1A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=JbrS1DHmfhyJHDkYTBKjckHSqBR3K8hv/hnDpdlfl ng=; b=DjIt/Xx8OEMg/ZyI72IeIYqwmiOd0C/KJVMEs2XOJ/kg6QIIibwBMprgq 2Lf2vE6aQNUM9JRoFhh3LUSk85amGbgArLwqed147BOvQfzr3bvsaBSYkaBBGue8 UODjQtoWrzFVc775pW+UT123iEjooAlRCpeJGoXJw2+BBYetuXO2+GtwPUDc8Pel mqlKRORKf5onYDe0FPvqa3i9Fa1DKNH6ZwznwuHUQj7/eFr/rU3MzrOecY6h+BYq y/CG98Yvf+/szfjsODLLJ7emSG3JNe4tIQCDuqEj5XlwC/D5b5WSnvqpqydioT7a cnvuwhkm0dmJg7M2i9f40Yyulvt2w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedruddtuddgfeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuhffvfhfkffgfgggjtgfgsehtke ertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpegjuhhrihcurfgrnhhkohhvuceohihprghnkhhovhesfhgr shhtmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekfeevfeejheejleeltdeuge eihfetueetleegkeejvdejiedvieevtdeuteehudenucfkphephedrudefledrudekhedr ieegnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhephi hprghnkhhovhesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [5.139.185.64]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CF005328005E; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: (character) Conversion error (in vi) ? From: Yuri Pankov To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <72173.1589672025@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <910485e6-a5bf-8da1-55bb-2bc632d657e3@fastmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 03:15:45 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PjNP5vM8z4CHM X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=Y4t3VcXd; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=DjIt/Xx8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 64.147.123.24 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.123.24:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fastmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.82), ipnet: 64.147.123.0/24(-4.92), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[24.123.147.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[24.123.147.64.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:15:50 -0000 Yuri Pankov wrote: > Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> In message <06696e14-e7e5-f212-4ef0-b89e7e78cde5@fastmail.com>, >> Yuri Pankov wrote: >> >>> I'm interested in more details on this as I could be somewhat involved >>> (see PR 202290).  What release did you upgrade from/to?  Could you >>> provide a simple test case that shows the issue? >> >> Yuri, >> >> I've just read PR 202290 and I have added to it a one line attachment >> which is a test case that demonstrates the issue/problem I have been >> experiencing, which sounds like it is most probably the same issue >> as in PR 202290.  (But I would like your opinion on that.) >> >> The test case is just a From: line from am email sent to me by a >> european correspondant of mine.  (Note that I use NHM as a mail >> client, and that it in turn invokes vi to edit new outbound >> messages and replies, which is where I frequently encounter this >> issue/problem.) >> >> I'm too embarassed to tell you what versions of FreeBSD I last did >> an upgrade from.  Let's just say that it was certifiably ancient. >> My last full upgrade was to 12.0-RELEASE and that date on my local >> vi is as follows: >> >> -r-xr-xr-x  6 root  wheel  461872 Dec  6  2018 /usr/bin/vi >> >> I guess that I simply need to upgrade that in order to get your >> fix for this issue (?) >> >> (Yes, I tend to be altogether too lax in keeping this particular >> system upgraded.) > > No, it's not that bug after all.  The issue is that (n)vi now (for quite > some time :-) defaults to UTF-8 when it can't reliably detect the file > encoding, so you'll just have to help it a bit adding the following to > ~/.nexrc: > > set fileencoding=iso8859-1 > > This way (n)vi will check if file encoding looks like UTF-8, and if not, > it will use ISO8859-1 as fallback. For the sake of correctness, re-reading the code, my reply was not entirely precise: (n)vi first checks if file is valid UTF-8, and if it isn't and fallback encoding (as shown above) is not set, uses your locale's encoding which I guess is UTF-8, hence failing. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 03:23:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2738713B928 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PnXZ67sbz3b52 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id EB0E34E73E; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Yuri Pankov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (character) Conversion error (in vi) ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <72823.1589685787.1@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:23:07 -0700 Message-ID: <72824.1589685787@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PnXZ67sbz3b52 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:12 -0000 In message , Yuri Pankov wrote: >No, it's not that bug after all. The issue is that (n)vi now (for quite >some time :-) defaults to UTF-8 when it can't reliably detect the file >encoding, so you'll just have to help it a bit adding the following to >~/.nexrc: > >set fileencoding=iso8859-1 > >This way (n)vi will check if file encoding looks like UTF-8, and if not, >it will use ISO8859-1 as fallback. Ahhhhhh... I did what you said and yes, that fixed it! Thanks ever so much! This has been bugging me fofr quite awile. And my apologies for being to lazy/preoccupied to dredge deeply enough into the man pages to be able to find this solution on my own. If you were my fairy godmother, then I'd ask you to grant me one more wish, which would be to have (n)vi always be able to automagically correctly detect the content encoding in any given file it is asked to load. But you're not, so I won't. :-) Still, it seems like it out to be possible to do. It appears that a hnuman (you) didn't have much trouble figuring out the correct encoding type in this instance, so one would think that this one piece of software might be able to do a better job in this particular guessing game. (Should I bother to submit a PR / enhancement request for that?) Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 03:26:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CA213B873 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 03:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Pncr63ZQz3bFL for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 03:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id E527B4E73E; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Yuri Pankov cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (character) Conversion error (in vi) ? In-Reply-To: <910485e6-a5bf-8da1-55bb-2bc632d657e3@fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-ID: <72850.1589686011.1@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:26:51 -0700 Message-ID: <72851.1589686011@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Pncr63ZQz3bFL X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 03:26:53 -0000 In message <910485e6-a5bf-8da1-55bb-2bc632d657e3@fastmail.com>, Yuri Pankov wrote: >> No, it's not that bug after all.  The issue is that (n)vi now (for quite >> some time :-) defaults to UTF-8 when it can't reliably detect the file >> encoding, so you'll just have to help it a bit adding the following to >> ~/.nexrc: >> >> set fileencoding=iso8859-1 >> >> This way (n)vi will check if file encoding looks like UTF-8, and if not, >> it will use ISO8859-1 as fallback. > >For the sake of correctness, re-reading the code, my reply was not >entirely precise: (n)vi first checks if file is valid UTF-8, and if it >isn't and fallback encoding (as shown above) is not set, uses your >locale's encoding which I guess is UTF-8, hence failing. I am far from knowledgable when it comes to content encoding & character sets generally, but it would seem to me that if the fallback is the same as the encoding that was already tried and failed, then this simple-minded fallback strategy may perhaps be sub-optimal. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 06:25:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CBB13FD88 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PsZy4fgdz40n6 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:25:27 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> <12062767-7DF1-45FE-A464-C864F03CBDCF@thehowies.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <12062767-7DF1-45FE-A464-C864F03CBDCF@thehowies.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PsZy4fgdz40n6 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 06:25:32 -0000 On 16 May 2020, at 13:12, John Howie wrote: > Respectfully, the views presented are not in line with desired state. It is in line with reality. > We *should* be able to install s/w and forget it until the hardware = eventually fails. If the software is hardened and unmodifiable and there is no possible = way for it be exploited, sure. But that is pretty much a fantasy for any = complicated software like an OS. > We are building a house of cards with tiered dependencies and upgrades = are often fatal, resulting in prolonged outages. This leads = administrators to just leave systems be. That represents significant = risk. >=20 > We need to build better software, and that starts with simplicity. We = need to stop putting everything, including the kitchen sink, into = releases. We need to focus on code quality. Where we absolutely must = update a system we should, by now, be able to hot patch it. The fact = that as an industry we cannot is scandalous. We need to support = distributions for many, many years.=20 Software needs to balance between doing what is needed (which means. = Keeping up with new technology, new use cases, new media types, etc) and = being stable and secure. If you insist that every thing be perfect from the start, you have = nothing. Because perfect is the enemy of good. > These are not FreeBSD-specific issues, but these are golden = opportunities for FreeBSD to stand out from the crowd by releasing = minimalist distributions, with high-quality software that is supported = for many years, and includes the ability to hot patch vulnerable code. You make something that has so far proved to be basically impossible = sound super simple. If the software can be =E2=80=98hot fixed=E2=80=99 = then the software can be modified. If it can be modified, then it must = be secure. If it must be secure, you need to be able to fix bugs in the = security and fix new-found exploits and move to newer security models. There is a reason we no longer use SSL, and that is a good thing. --=20 'Yeah, well, I didn't sign up for world domination,' said Medium Dave. 'That sort of thing gets you into trouble.' =E2=80=94Hogfath= er From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 06:33:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DA22C8144 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Psmc0QBhz41dq for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:33:50 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> <20200516215437.4802660c.freebsd@edvax.de> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20200516215437.4802660c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: <2161E572-945A-44EC-9E70-35DA3552E8BD@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Psmc0QBhz41dq X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 06:33:52 -0000 On 16 May 2020, at 13:54, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:56:25 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> Otherwise, old OSes are porous insecure botnets-in-wait with >> dozens or hundreds or thousands of exploits. >=20 > That is true, but is significant only as far as those systems > interact with other things, especially over Internet. If the computer is air-gapped, that is one thing. If the computer is on = a network and that network is air gapped, that is something else. Oof = that computer is on a network and any machines on that network have = access to the Internet, then that old insecure machine should be assumed = to be on the Internet. Just look at the many exploits for non-Internet connected LAN printers. > I just want to provide an example that "younger people" (TM) > might find strange: In mainframe world, you can still compile > and run programs written in a way to read data from a punched > card reader and write data to a chain printer or a tape drive. > There is no need to modify the source in order to run such a > program on a current mainframe with a current OS. To a certain > extent, you even have native binary compatibility. And when you have old tools that allow you to, for example, load = information off a tape, you have an attack vector that probably hasn=E2=80= =99t been secure because it was written before we figured out that = security was important (because people suck) and no one has gone back to = look at how exploitable that code is on a modern system. --=20 What we have here is a failure to communicate. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 06:36:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112122C81FE for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Psql6R6tz41F6 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6CB10276A; Sun, 17 May 2020 08:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLYI3DKOZDoI; Sun, 17 May 2020 08:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.48] (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE35C102769; Sun, 17 May 2020 08:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:36:31 +0200 Message-Id: References: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: To: Mario Lobo X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17E262) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Psql6R6tz41F6 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.253.223:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 06:36:37 -0000 >=20 > Am 16.05.2020 um 22:57 schrieb Mario Lobo : >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, May 16, 2020 at 3:55 PM Christoph Kukulies > wrote: >=20 >> I need vboxvfs, which is in -additions. >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Am 16.05.2020 um 18:02 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, May 16, 2020 at 6:43 AM Christoph Kukulies >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> But=E2=80=A6 virtualbox-ose-additions fails: >>>>=20 >>>> Does it compile with you? >>>>=20 >>>> =E2=80=94 >>>> Christoph >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > vboxvfs.ko is used to mount virtualbox shared folders from the host, from > inside a freebsd guest vm. >=20 > I am just trying to understand what you need it for, other than using it > inside a guest. >=20 My requirement is: the VB guest is a Windows . I have (large) files in the FreeBSD hosts FS (my= home directory) which I want to make accessible in the Windows guests C: dr= ive ( or other drive letter).=20 =E2=80=94 Christoph=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 06:39:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648642C8476 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PsvF4hl4z41r8 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:39:36 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> <2F483113-2B65-4F95-9B7F-AC94F06795A5@mail.sermon-archive.info> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <2F483113-2B65-4F95-9B7F-AC94F06795A5@mail.sermon-archive.info> Message-Id: <3A0F0DE1-6579-4F0D-A89E-285964AAF560@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PsvF4hl4z41r8 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 06:39:38 -0000 On 16 May 2020, at 14:18, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > It only has a connection to an internal LAN. There is no internet = connection. This is a common mistake. If a computer is connected to a LAN and any = device on that LAN is connected to the Internet, exploits can reach your = LAN-only device. Is it likely in your case? No, but thinking it is = impossible is a dangerous road and one that has led to many serious = exploits. --=20 Granny Weatherwax didn't hold with looking at the future, but now she could feel the future looking at her. She didn't like its expression at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 07:20:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3972C900A for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 07:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=03nv=67=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PtpK5bdZz435d for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 07:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=03nv=67=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49PtpJ51yNz2fjQQ; Sun, 17 May 2020 00:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <3A0F0DE1-6579-4F0D-A89E-285964AAF560@kreme.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:20:24 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> <2F483113-2B65-4F95-9B7F-AC94F06795A5@mail.sermon-archive.info> <3A0F0DE1-6579-4F0D-A89E-285964AAF560@kreme.com> To: "@lbutlr" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PtpK5bdZz435d X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=03nv=67=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=03nv=67=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=03nv=67=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org, SRS0=03nv=67=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 07:20:27 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 23:39, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > On 16 May 2020, at 14:18, Doug Hardie wrote: >>=20 >> It only has a connection to an internal LAN. There is no internet = connection. >=20 > This is a common mistake. If a computer is connected to a LAN and any = device on that LAN is connected to the Internet, exploits can reach your = LAN-only device. Is it likely in your case? No, but thinking it is = impossible is a dangerous road and one that has led to many serious = exploits. It's a totally internal LAN. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 08:49:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2882CAC3D for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 08:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@thehowies.com) Received: from remote.thehowies.com (remote.thehowies.com [50.197.91.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "remote.thehowies.com", Issuer "USERTrust RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Pwmn1XGLz47Bw for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 08:49:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@thehowies.com) Received: from PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::497b:de8e:1045:4c2a]) by PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::6437:d031:7477:6451%10]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Sun, 17 May 2020 01:48:35 -0700 From: John Howie To: "@lbutlr" CC: 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DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.435]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[64.147.123.25:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.147.123.25:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 12:04:14 -0000 --TD8GDToEDw0WLGOL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:45:29PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: >No, nothing needs to be done with those. However if I were you, at >least until I had figured out why those files were missing, I would >wonder *what else* might be missing. I guess you can use mtree(8) to >compare against one of the other VMs, but it might actually be best >to do a full re-install from scratch of this one. I've found the same issue on another VM on another FreeBSD host, completely different hardware in a different geographical location, completely differe= nt VM, only similarity is it's kept up-to-date with freebsd-update. In this ca= se the server hosts 2x bhyve VMs. Both were brought up to 12.1-RELEASE-p5 with freebsd-update. Only one shows the problem.=20 This is definitely a FreeBSD problem. I don't have a clue what could be causing it though. --=20 J. --TD8GDToEDw0WLGOL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl7BKC8ACgkQs8o7QhFz NAWSdw//YYKH/FpO2ejsvg1S2ykNR1V1fae8msGtk2edUr16UafpPxuoDr6+d7gM jiT6KM9aw4oBKF6YR+0ucxnEfbujAKrtnyGaE5+f7hzQ9XQ2Rx4Tizm01sG/yqDN zbEB2XCtgJYSEn1mK3JxeJrUN7Nxtav5t8IJSfDoRe+7F3TWJtoeYdrFT3BwubgZ VTabD6sr4Or4++4Pq1orV1/cPePpYZn+XZY+olO4vNEVEOzJ9WPaqtsOgg+9J/Wy A1vTiG2no9aADJ5fKMuWpwpwZogI1j3aXOl3xy/G8bVwyWva40MsKhjEh6PUexQK UjdZ0DgRFPy7wO/AP9vQ/d7KK7rcZptpDFt1l17yAKADDPeTgmCCjbUm+fehqGtY TeZPJNJoEL1glkyAa/i43En+jQ0j3grM3lYLEgPwVE//5j0GL9EdVgOMQQtcLZUq 5uNxMptHAXEJYtNtGu+O6663EEREwtbwOUQM/UO0TOjlOALhFExUpWeNw6fwVIMG f6zijHv0029DCqvJ8OyHgnLJOy4cTP4fBIlyEG9VJEim1yzx8RSRw0fnI54Swmtx QR3lVv4H1W5PT9ea+tWxo/7xlLD1ybzi2rMTuHcDVi2WKWMi68ZAumFY/WUCilXN rHoYBiWjAsLNyNbA2RXogwl228SghFetSYPyM0X4Uz5W7s8f+9w= =xIgW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TD8GDToEDw0WLGOL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 15:41:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD052DCAE4 for ; 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RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[64.59.134.12:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.59.134.0/25]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[shaw.ca:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[shaw.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[shaw.ca,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.778]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.59.134.12:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 15:41:42 -0000 > As for =E2=80=9Cperfection is the enemy of good=E2=80=9D, please tell = me you will willingly step into a 737-MAX with its > original s/w because it is =E2=80=9Cgood enough=E2=80=9D. There are = plenty of real world examples where perfection > should be mandatory, and good is not enough. Fully agree in principle, although I would say "we" have learned just = demanding perfection (and testing for) is not practical, and instead = demand proof of _striving_ for perfection (i.e. safety regulated = industries and risk-based compliance requirements). > I may be wrong, but I get the feeling I have been in the software = industry longer than you, and maybe it is just m > age talking, but we are arrogant in thinking that we can get away with = Minimum Viable Product, and (shudder) > =E2=80=9Cfail forward=E2=80=9D Agile methodology.=20 Well said! I hope you don't mind if you hear me use your example. :-)=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Howie Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:49 AM To: @lbutlr Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Respectfully, you missed my points, and your counterpoints are the = regular industry talking points for why we cannot solve the problem.=20 As for =E2=80=9Cperfection is the enemy of good=E2=80=9D, please tell me = you will willingly step into a 737-MAX with its original s/w because it = is =E2=80=9Cgood enough=E2=80=9D. There are plenty of real world = examples where perfection should be mandatory, and good is not enough. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling I have been in the software = industry longer than you, and maybe it is just my age talking, but we = are arrogant in thinking that we can get away with Minimum Viable = Product, and (shudder) =E2=80=9Cfail forward=E2=80=9D Agile methodology. = Maybe, just maybe, we should take a step back and reconsider what we are = trying to achieve. John Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2020, at 23:25, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 16 May 2020, at 13:12, John Howie = wrote: >> Respectfully, the views presented are not in line with desired state. >=20 > It is in line with reality. >=20 >> We *should* be able to install s/w and forget it until the hardware = eventually fails. >=20 > If the software is hardened and unmodifiable and there is no possible = way for it be exploited, sure. But that is pretty much a fantasy for any = complicated software like an OS. >=20 >> We are building a house of cards with tiered dependencies and = upgrades are often fatal, resulting in prolonged outages. This leads = administrators to just leave systems be. That represents significant = risk. >>=20 >> We need to build better software, and that starts with simplicity. We = need to stop putting everything, including the kitchen sink, into = releases. We need to focus on code quality. Where we absolutely must = update a system we should, by now, be able to hot patch it. The fact = that as an industry we cannot is scandalous. We need to support = distributions for many, many years.=20 >=20 > Software needs to balance between doing what is needed (which means. = Keeping up with new technology, new use cases, new media types, etc) and = being stable and secure. >=20 > If you insist that every thing be perfect from the start, you have = nothing. Because perfect is the enemy of good. >=20 >> These are not FreeBSD-specific issues, but these are golden = opportunities for FreeBSD to stand out from the crowd by releasing = minimalist distributions, with high-quality software that is supported = for many years, and includes the ability to hot patch vulnerable code. >=20 > You make something that has so far proved to be basically impossible = sound super simple. If the software can be =E2=80=98hot fixed=E2=80=99 = then the software can be modified. If it can be modified, then it must = be secure. If it must be secure, you need to be able to fix bugs in the = security and fix new-found exploits and move to newer security models. >=20 > There is a reason we no longer use SSL, and that is a good thing. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > 'Yeah, well, I didn't sign up for world domination,' said Medium > Dave. 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I have (large) files in the FreeBSD hosts FS > (my home directory) which I want to make accessible in the Windows guests > C: drive ( or other drive letter). > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > > > Ahhh ... All you need is to install virtualbox-guestadditions in your windows guest. To do that, you must have the file : VBoxGuestAdditions_5.2.34.iso which gets pulled when you check [x] GUESTADDITIONS Build with Guest Additions in make config when building the virtualbox-ose port. Attach the iso to your windows guest and install it. After that, whatever folder you share from the host, will be accessible by your windows guest. --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 18:46:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5232F10E6 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 18:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49QB1z3Vwzz4lcM for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 18:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 12:46:28 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> <12062767-7DF1-45FE-A464-C864F03CBDCF@thehowies.com> <7BB197EB-5A5C-47D7-903A-BAE7E7F4D66F@thehowies.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <7BB197EB-5A5C-47D7-903A-BAE7E7F4D66F@thehowies.com> Message-Id: <2EB8C1A9-A889-47C3-BB8A-3BBA63CB3D90@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49QB1z3Vwzz4lcM X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.499]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:46:32 -0000 On 17 May 2020, at 02:48, John Howie wrote: > Respectfully, you missed my points, and your counterpoints are the = regular industry talking points for why we cannot solve the problem.=20 They are more than just talking points. > As for =E2=80=9Cperfection is the enemy of good=E2=80=9D, please tell = me you will willingly step into a 737-MAX with its original s/w because = it is =E2=80=9Cgood enough=E2=80=9D. It is obviously NOT good enough, which is why the entire fleet was = grounded. And there is such a thing as good enough. Uf you are cutting a piece of = wood for a shelf there is a vast difference between 30cm and = 30.0000000001 cm. Exactly (perfect) 30cm is the enemy of good (30cm=C2=B10.05). Now, in some cases, (not cutting a shelf, but other cases) you might = need something that is 30.00001=C2=B1.000005, but that is a much harder = goal to achieve, takes many more attempts, a lot more failure, and a = exponentially higher cost. And, is a total waste in cases where it is = not necessary. Are you designing parts for a NASA mission? Well, then = you know why these missions are so expensive. Perfect is absolute an unobtainable, good is relative and the goal. = Things that do not work, are dangerous, are insecure, or cause damage = are not "good" (though in some isolated cases, they may be "good = enough". For example, I have a script that I run on my mobile devices that sends = the URL of the page I am on to one of my machines. That machine parses = the URL and produces a markdown file and a PDF file of the page and puts = them into a folder that is synced to my machines. Basically a = roll-your-own Instapaper. It is secure (using key exchange to login to the server) but it is quite = exploitable and could cause damage if I sent a malformed URL that = exploited a failure in one of the libraries on the system. However, I am = exceedingly unlikely to do that, so despite the technical risk inherent = in my system, it is definitely "good enough" even if it is not "good" = (and certainly not perfect). > There are plenty of real world examples where perfection should be = mandatory, and good is not enough. Name one thing that is perfect. Just one. > I may be wrong, but I get the feeling I have been in the software = industry longer than you, and maybe it is just my age talking, but we = are arrogant in thinking that we can get away with Minimum Viable = Product, and (shudder) =E2=80=9Cfail forward=E2=80=9D Agile methodology. No one is suggesting that. > Maybe, just maybe, we should take a step back and reconsider what we = are trying to achieve. I prefer living in 2020 with 2020 computers, despite their flaws and = missteps, than going back to a "simple" age of 1970s machines that did = amazing things, but very limited by today's standards. The cost of = modern benefits is vigilance and updating very complex systems. It is something we are getting better at, and our systems are far more = robust AND far more capable. System V (back in the 80s) was relatively = trivial to get root rpiveldges on and do anything you wanted to the = system, something that happened quite often on the user machines I was = logging into at the time. While I have fond memories of those days = (mostly involving hunt, forums, rchat, and mTrek), I would never go back = to mid 80s computers; nor mid 90s computers, nor pre 2010 computers. YMMV. --=20 'Everything will be all right. =46rom History's point of view, that is. There really isn't any other.' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 17 21:25:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45022F6F91 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49QFXy44SGz3WY5 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40341A0606 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo13-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iQMUVOXxlDET for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 073139FE46 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04HLP2re081772 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 23:25:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> <8570e125-f34d-840a-5803-376d43bc9723@hedeland.org> <20200514011537.GC23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <0278cb1e-8084-6dce-5ac7-1e5297ff40d5@hedeland.org> <20200514110619.GD23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200517120341.GE23072@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 23:25:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200517120341.GE23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49QFXy44SGz3WY5 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.33 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[81.228.157.209:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.53)[0.527]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.68.202.10:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 21:25:07 -0000 On 2020-05-17 14:03, tech-lists wrote: > > I've found the same issue on another VM on another FreeBSD host, completely > different hardware in a different geographical location, completely different > VM, only similarity is it's kept up-to-date with freebsd-update. In this case > the server hosts 2x bhyve VMs. Both were brought up to 12.1-RELEASE-p5 with > freebsd-update. Only one shows the problem. > This is definitely a FreeBSD problem. I don't have a clue what could be > causing it though. It certainly seems so from the information you have provided - but on the other hand, a general problem that rendered 'netstat' unusable would probably have gained a lot more attention, since 'netstat' isn't just something that is run in the "daily report", but a very fundamental tool for examining all kinds of network properties. Personally I have 3 hosts with 12.1-RELEASE and one with 12-STABLE post 12.1-RELEASE, and none of them exhibit this problem. I don't use freebsd-update though, so one possibility might be that it caused this breakage - but a lot of people do use it, and AFAIK none of them have reported a problem like this. Additionally, AFAICS there hasn't been any updates to libnetgraph after 12.1-RELEASE - the last libnetgraph update on the 12 branch seems to be at svn r348827, while 12.1-RELEASE was at r354233 - i.e. it seems extremely unlikely that a broken freebsd-update update is the cause. I.e. it might be a FreeBSD problem, but if so, there is something specific to your environment that is triggering it... --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 18 01:06:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC82A2FAAE6 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 01:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49QLS45XkGz400w for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 01:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.91.75]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MFKX3-1jpcMz2jlp-00Fi2u; Mon, 18 May 2020 03:06:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 03:05:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200518030556.3283f631.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2161E572-945A-44EC-9E70-35DA3552E8BD@kreme.com> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> <20200516215437.4802660c.freebsd@edvax.de> <2161E572-945A-44EC-9E70-35DA3552E8BD@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Kerx4g+ola8UPgAk8d6mVodS857AYixz5yf+Ox2O5ulFe6jfjwi GLKeeaqUhRehRK6LzOOad9ggrJOHpZ9I2ASNwLcwyVtO1KsChqpG+lf9+a4k2G/xP0RkVQl J52jlQ9r7iMNZrsY8GzjnGetQlGpdbSJipLpP9hmipDySetIiAI2U1qWOuVzS2bZUjmUZm6 2Uupi0fRqHgYbin8rnflQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:iA7fOIpijbE=:n20ChCJ8dqdvVbl7NrLhGl xLlUViKhoQaZ0q/hTIcMuM63RidipBuEGfIlX/V1o+tCEs8802eBueZ3og/3Bfklk82OI53xa mdvQdeeAH1BuK7ANj3Xc8rMIbpTJlPb4uuLSSuI4i8JIqe8moj58n2Q7hEflqNEsfvdo3EamQ Hqbuz1b5UZUiVSpr2zJ3H3yG1hROu1vW0W/2KnHKN2k1q1XC9QzbTuj+suMs0jjfgatNIB+ka 418obi/3Jgb0lc1ALq+x7h/hYuyAugO5HiPheHYuzefl1VbMzK8eiwW/8Leo5wQELuhQxBjFk YVKl//VT5Fu1+ROrhOPanJ0pYJundu98RDWeZqxXzpgGAbDFgQVISA+79/vZNRYEcPT9QpvJW f1Zi8Fwoni2Tf+JjdW2I8c6p0zJ1yF1QTEbb4bq1nc65A4vyWUEnGrCz3mYYaP2/lGOU+ghw+ gcHUrWLTIkS1u8Sp3gYTTC4BladqurmkuND4rvD/+M0SUInh3wRI+gHVLj2nFcHmXwPHuva+k IzYmuh+IAMIrNCacB8HsBqopV3eb1wgBqnnQZNVZBZSbPN9rPV5nftQbc1YfHHk0wDN+qCoCp 8hKOX4QmaVapeuN7wz5sC7411Eh2rs0qAw6a50WvYgQQv2r9heCzGiAkzmM/qrB2xj7SQgrwe XWRXx50/791lcRjf91fAsKC1BiSVoOgqGVq497MaUxQl2Jc0pkri4h18D766e8Uyy49tFvgKX 0sMlHpV2azZI9aLHpbYvS9+5snmLH3KtO48R2/HQ29JYsmIBo/dRLUdvBNk2WVe1WQx4nE/GL f9rl6Zne/bJFnsLRXNZmhqFb3fgNznhrCqJnGXnOOT0LOhHJBw0JyamXjKqz038Fp4h+k0B X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49QLS45XkGz400w X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.54 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.14)[0.143]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.91.75:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 01:06:13 -0000 On Sun, 17 May 2020 00:33:50 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > On 16 May 2020, at 13:54, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:56:25 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > >> Otherwise, old OSes are porous insecure botnets-in-wait with > >> dozens or hundreds or thousands of exploits. > > > > That is true, but is significant only as far as those systems > > interact with other things, especially over Internet. > > If the computer is air-gapped, that is one thing. If the computer > is on a network and that network is air gapped, that is something > else. Oof that computer is on a network and any machines on that > network have access to the Internet, then that old insecure > machine should be assumed to be on the Internet. That is a fully valid opinion (and good description of reality). It depends on how good you can control all involved factors, and especially the "weakest links" in that chain. Luckily, for the setting I've been refering to, everything is under control. There are no "too intelligent" printers, but security-sensitive people using that specific kind of equipment. Data that goes in and out is quite restricted. There is no 100 % security, but you can at least actively try to achieve it (instead of stupid claims or "the PC told me I'm safe"). > Just look at the many exploits for non-Internet connected LAN > printers. Absolutely true. It also applies to battery chargers, fax machines or any other "smart" device that can connect to something else (!) on its own. But if your equipment is old enough, it probably won't be that "smart". ;-) A good countermeasure is to always keep complexity as low as possible. Don't obtain or store data that you don't need. Don't put functionality into the device that isn't neccessary. Test your software. Watch for compiler warnings and _act_ according to them. Check runtime warnings. Keep things simple and use established approaches to problems. Physical security is a plus. Know as much as possible about the things you're using. Understand how things work, don't rely on 3rd party services too much without proper understanding. Read the documentation. Write your own documentation. Don't add things for the sake of adding them. Think outside the box. Always wear a helmet. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 18 03:57:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D967F2FD94F for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 03:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49QQFG4BqCz4877 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 03:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 04I3uvvZ055597 for ; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: mysql 5.6 => 5.7 upgrade confusion Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 21:55:01 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 17 May 2020 21:56:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49QQFG4BqCz4877 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.31 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.014]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 03:57:07 -0000 When I upgraded a system to 11.3-RELEASE some time ago, I reinstalled all packages, which unfortunately installed mysql 5.7; I had been running 5.6. In trying to decipher the upgrade process, everything I see implies the server will start. When I attempt to start the server as a non-priveledged user (formerly possible) I get this: $ mysqld 2020-05-18T03:17:18.343412Z 0 [Warning] Insecure configuration for --secure-file-priv: Current value does not restrict location of g enerated files. Consider setting it to a valid, non-empty path. 2020-05-18T03:17:18.343569Z 0 [Note] mysqld (mysqld 5.7.29-log) starting as process 32850 ... 2020-05-18T03:17:18.348147Z 0 [Warning] One can only use the --user switch if running as root ... mysqld: Can't create/write to file '/var/db/mysql_tmpdir/ibA6vgIL' (Errcode: 13 - Permission denied) 2020-05-18T03:17:18.376691Z 0 [ERROR] InnoDB: Unable to create temporary file; errno: 13 So I tried starting as root, which created a whole new/different data and config directory (no surprise there) but failed with this: ... mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist 2020-05-18T02:05:35.875695Z 0 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. ... 2020-05-18T02:05:36.298788Z 0 [Note] Auto generated RSA key files are placed in data directory. 2020-05-18T02:05:36.298894Z 0 [Note] Server hostname (bind-address): '127.0.0.1'; port: 3306 2020-05-18T02:05:36.298919Z 0 [Note] - '127.0.0.1' resolves to '127.0.0.1'; 2020-05-18T02:05:36.298991Z 0 [Note] Server socket created on IP: '127.0.0.1'. 2020-05-18T02:05:36.300123Z 0 [Warning] Failed to open optimizer cost constant tables 2020-05-18T02:05:36.300238Z 0 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.user' doesn't exist 2020-05-18T02:05:36.300250Z 0 [ERROR] Fatal error: Failed to initialize ACL/grant/time zones structures or failed to remove temporary table files. 2020-05-18T02:05:36.300321Z 0 [ERROR] Aborting I'm confused as to how to proceed from here. I need to run mysql_upgrade as a normal user; but I clearly need to run it first as root; but I can't run it if the server won't start because of the plugin table issue reported above. confused, as usual... thanks for any enlightenment, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 18 23:18:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61412DFE46 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Qw1K0n1Hz4W7G for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Qw1B21Ynz29gyS for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpg.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by sacada.3dresearch.com (sacada.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1aPqifCnRDwJ for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.244.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: elettra@sacada.3dresearch.com) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Qw195VYlz29gyR for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bufftemp.3dresearch.com (unknown [10.61.70.200]) by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB92329A80 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bufftemp.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bufftemp.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BB7DD7AA5 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:17:31 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200518191731.80bda3b8f1bf183791f27bb6@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Qw1K0n1Hz4W7G X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of web@3dresearch.com designates 104.225.1.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=web@3dresearch.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ENVFROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[3dresearch.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.115]; FROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:smtpg.telissant.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.1.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.112.244.142:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 23:18:29 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 Doug Hardie wrote: > > [...] > > I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember > the confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but > it's not obvious to the new user. I was running production systems > and the name "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the > descriptions made me think that perhaps that was not the right > choice. I finally settled on "release" but it was quite a difficult > decision. After many discussions on this mailing list, I finally > understood the differences. I still find the names misleading, but I > can work with them. I do feel for anyone new to FreeBSD trying to > figure that out. It might be "obvious" to those who know, but it's > not for others. > > -- Doug How stable is *-STABLE? The closer it is to *-RELEASE perhaps? In my limited experience (a few dozen instances) since about 4.3 or 4.4, not once can I remember having to fall back to *-RELEASE. This is not to challenege the expertise of people on this list or the sound advice of the Handbook on which branch to use for what. May be I have been just lucky doing end-user stuff (dhcp, cyrus, postfix, apache, samba, etc.), but *-STABLE has been stable for me. More likely, this reflects the quality of work FreeBSD developers have been doing. -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 03:11:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B82F2F89FD for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49R1BW6Q8Dz3ZxQ for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 03:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.15.198]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M1pfy-1jd4WO15rc-002Ero; Tue, 19 May 2020 05:11:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 05:11:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Janos Dohanics Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200519051135.9424896e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200518191731.80bda3b8f1bf183791f27bb6@3dresearch.com> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20200518191731.80bda3b8f1bf183791f27bb6@3dresearch.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NrgfQA48VHu5St9unkhe+RvbJCkkSHSlPjfKY+c88dd1O+VuGjK 5H8Ti3geBTGxGqYStqxVKXYEBLCGR3tjclaIGkP9Ce1ChBLjMJsm3gwPiHyjKNQ4TKGi9yD VbTDqt2KBdbC4a1XIbRz5Qnrx2E/NYfSaQ9ADMLiFYUN9YB11tD1GUlOxIFGWVm9JtgJ2LZ COo78Va9PcyTesFAI+lFw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:SUEkuFz66gs=:+q4lCf5GgavGjwuSru1J6Z iBLIHkCNx1x37WSAfeF/Y5AyGM+K1EjMliSJ8Wwrc/+0CXUzuSPluOdnvLG2T5isMqpwap3eH uwkzyMaTx7QtKlPlltz/fsshUmQUalBnnkFUUF9zFKps/VP0p1PiQEBDtR1feoJh6YNZkJ4Ea FeFYCMVAz6FwY32JqLtmKzSu288uFeiEg5vRtPy/2o4PcFUmlQaKxDkKXNtL2AlnlVSraZ1O5 JJVPuhDenl/la3EeKyOK/WGxZcIoiK+S+WTW4VrO5BgK11o8dDxCAf2BYEUlQ6f+8zBit7UrF Ja8iKEiG2HF8xEeF10B2Wd9Ftn7LTkMJf/+IY/74xakpKiRlVLM87MXQfd1XvgJhapIKX0neZ 4+z1gaWveJbEdmnNCG8/khl0hEsTTgRd8QybNaoJ5rzLgwSJrnoK3E9QO6AjW9aQWhXSNCT/O 51X3Mifm6+idguJe8QNkU5+WfcXgKu+p7D0EGgW9jESI9AHCyhgN8wLq6pGM+/y0v5YahNBFy tI40kvgHzMbX1iwaXB1C6W+NnKAjsbnvnaMpqUUVgcvGBp9IAQV8U17zpqwLpfwZurNbIGhTA /q25NZKjdSc4WP+QAk49gcqF/j8JIXPSYhhzIIjCTI77Um6KRF2yPXR2QBZJJhTrFanzD3J69 LdRnZ3oQnTVjUwx1JuMDInD6j46ymBFdAQjOnbx2oVz80WjSnBQH+zWad0qlTs4pVmfnxr8iS BD6lfBe/lpQhBnT6jzhauPC5oZZ3QhEOioCpbirXhd3hu9Fn1lRi7Ld0X2B7B1ZLW78ARqy06 +5Q48n1dmbRc9b2JIfSXWGY2qvceCVG7e222U/qy6/qszqncrJbU6Fm6n//UpJZlc5G3rJa X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49R1BW6Q8Dz3ZxQ X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.63 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.230]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.15.198:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 03:11:49 -0000 On Mon, 18 May 2020 19:17:31 -0400, Janos Dohanics wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 > Doug Hardie wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember > > the confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but > > it's not obvious to the new user. I was running production systems > > and the name "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the > > descriptions made me think that perhaps that was not the right > > choice. I finally settled on "release" but it was quite a difficult > > decision. After many discussions on this mailing list, I finally > > understood the differences. I still find the names misleading, but I > > can work with them. I do feel for anyone new to FreeBSD trying to > > figure that out. It might be "obvious" to those who know, but it's > > not for others. > > > > -- Doug > > How stable is *-STABLE? The "potentially problematic misunderstanding" about STABLE is connecting it to stability. But STABLE means that the API and ABI are _stable_ ("the same" or "100 % compatible") for that specific development version during all of its snapshots. > The closer it is to *-RELEASE perhaps? That's hard to say. If you understand the FreeBSD development model as a kind of distillery, you cannot be sure about "near RELEASE"; imagine: Active development takes place in CURRENT / HEAD. Features get added and tested, features might also disappear. Sometimes it crashes, sometimes it doesn't even compile. From what testers confirm, further development happens. Those results arrive in STABLE for further testing and optimizing, heading toward a potential release. On this course, ALPHA, BETA, RC (release candidates) and PRERELEASE are generated, until the final version is shipped as RELEASE. From ongoing development in CURRENT (after RELEASE), the same process generates patches that then arrive in RELEASE-pX. As you will surely agree, "near RELEASE" doesn't say much if you take this model into account. > This is not to challenege the expertise of people on this list or the > sound advice of the Handbook on which branch to use for what. May be I > have been just lucky doing end-user stuff (dhcp, cyrus, postfix, apache, > samba, etc.), but *-STABLE has been stable for me. It _should_ be, as STABLE is not considered an "experimental branch" per se, it's more like "bleeding edge", where you get the latest results, but you still have the chance to cut your finger... ;-) > More likely, this reflects the quality of work FreeBSD developers have > been doing. Fully true. With such a development model, it's hard to imagine that severe mistakes "accidentally" arrive in a RELEASE, as "move fast and breat the users' things" is not the fundamental conceot of FreeBSD development. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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For virtualbox-ose you can simply use pkg. 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The APIs don't change. > The closer it is to *-RELEASE perhaps? It is a development branch, one that is treated with some care but nonetheless a development branch. > In my limited experience (a few dozen instances) since about 4.3 or 4.4, > not once can I remember having to fall back to *-RELEASE. You will usually be safe, heck you will usually be safe running -current but *usually* is important. When you want that usually to be 'nearly always' then -RELEASE is the way to go and know that you only get essential fixes and no surprises. Think of it as a risk choice - -RELEASE as risk free and unchanging as they can manage while still taking care of essentials. Strict policy on allowable changes keeps the risk very low. -STABLE as risk free and unchanging as they can manage while still adding new features. Fixed APIs and everything soaked in -CURRENT before merging keeps the risk down. -CURRENT as risk free as they can manage while changing the wheels on the moving truck, sometimes all at once along with the engine and transmission. Peer review and developer testing keeps the risk surprisingly low - but there was the year and a half it took to stabilise 5.0. > This is not to challenege the expertise of people on this list or the > sound advice of the Handbook on which branch to use for what. May be I > have been just lucky doing end-user stuff (dhcp, cyrus, postfix, apache, > samba, etc.), but *-STABLE has been stable for me. You have been lucky (technically speaking) - but such luck is not unusual. I recall only one spate of trouble for people following -stable that caused a bunch of "This isn't what I call stable it broke ..." with responses carefully explaining what stable means and that it is a development track and things can break - it's just rare enough that many mistake it for a release track. For a while just before 3.0 most laptop owners took to running -current because the APM support had started working there, we were lucky it was fine. > More likely, this reflects the quality of work FreeBSD developers have > been doing. Indeed, FreeBSD developers have always been careful with their tree. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 08:04:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AC52FE77C for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49R7hh0csNz49Nb for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7403E10276A; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H30nc2vKoggK; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 204BB102769; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:04:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <3706F292-B7EF-4223-9DC3-010CFF76F058@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A9378661-4785-4C98-976B-6BA9D7786987"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose-kmod (virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1)) Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:04:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: Graham Perrin References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49R7hh0csNz49Nb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.194]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.49)[0.490]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.253.223:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:04:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A9378661-4785-4C98-976B-6BA9D7786987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Am 19.05.2020 um 05:54 schrieb Graham Perrin : >=20 > On 15/05/2020 09:40, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> =E2=80=A6 another advice to stick with compiling the port since it = better matches the distributed kernel =E2=80=A6 >=20 > As far as I know this is true for the kernel module = (virtualbox-ose-kmod) but not for virtualbox-ose. >=20 > For virtualbox-ose you can simply use pkg. 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freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD63B2C8453 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 09:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49R9B918NSz4FDr for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 09:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA8410276A; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2eHpo9bKWeoR; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:11:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DC8B102769; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:11:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8D62403C-EC7E-4595-95C5-85C92553D75B"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:11:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: Mario Lobo References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49R9B918NSz4FDr X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.39)[-0.393]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.19)[-0.190]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.253.223:received] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:12:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8D62403C-EC7E-4595-95C5-85C92553D75B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Aah, thanks. That=E2=80=99s a good tip. (virtualbox-guestadditions) Will do that. =46rom what I see these the guest additions are in = virtualbox-additions, but these are exactly the ones that fail on me to = compile. vboxvfs is in there too and from the README GuestAdditions have to be = enabled in a dialogue. Compilation fails here: -o = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/f= reebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/alloc.o = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Runtime/common/alloc/alloc.cpp kmk: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... In file included from = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Runtime/common/alloc/heapsimple.cpp:39: In file included from = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/inclu= de/iprt/string.h:45: In file included from /usr/src/sys/sys/libkern.h:41: In file included from /usr/src/sys/sys/systm.h:140: /usr/src/sys/sys/pcpu.h:224:10: fatal error: 'machine/pcpu_aux.h' file = not found #include ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 error generated. kmk: *** = [/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/= freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o] Error = 1 The failing command: @c++ -c -g -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -Wextra = -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-unused -Wno-trigraphs = -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-unused-parameter = -Wno-language-extension-token -Wno-gnu-folding-constant = -Wno-gnu-anonymous-struct -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-nested-anon-types = -Wno-variadic-macros -Wpointer-arith -Winline -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing = -fno-common -fno-stack-protector -O2 -fno-omit-frame-pointer = -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -nostdinc -include = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/inclu= de/VBox/VBoxGuestMangling.h -m64 --param inline-unit-growth=3D100 = --param large-function-growth=3D1000 -fno-omit-frame-pointer = -mcmodel=3Dkernel -mno-red-zone -mfpmath=3D387 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 = -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -Wundef = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug/gen-sys-hdrs = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Runtime = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Runtime/include -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq = -I/usr/src/sys/../include -I/usr/include = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/dtrace = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/inc= lude = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug -DVBOX -DVBOX_OSE -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS = -DVBOX_WITH_REM -DVBOX_WITH_RAW_MODE -DDEBUG -DDEBUG_root = -DDEBUG_USERNAME=3Droot -DRT_OS_FREEBSD -D__FREEBSD__ -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 = -D__AMD64__ -DVBOX_WITH_DEBUGGER -DVBOX_WITH_HARDENING -DRT_LOCK_STRICT = -DRT_LOCK_STRICT_ORDER = -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" = -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE_ARCH=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" = -DRTPATH_SHARED_LIBS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" = -DRTPATH_APP_DOCS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" -DIN_RING0 -DIN_RT_R0 = -DHC_ARCH_BITS=3D64 -DGC_ARCH_BITS=3D64 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE = -DIN_GUEST -DIN_GUEST_R0 -DIN_RT_R0 -DRT_WITH_VBOX = -DRT_WITHOUT_NOCRT_WRAPPERS -DRT_NO_EXPORT_SYMBOL -DNOFILEID = -Wp,-MD,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.= 32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o.de= p = -Wp,-MT,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.= 32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o = -Wp,-MP -o = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/f= reebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Runtime/common/alloc/heapsimple.cpp kmk: *** Exiting with status 2 *** Error code 2 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions #=20 =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 17.05.2020 um 19:36 schrieb Mario Lobo : >=20 > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:36 AM Christoph Kukulies > wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> My requirement is: >>=20 >> the VB guest is a Windows . I have (large) files in the FreeBSD hosts = FS >> (my home directory) which I want to make accessible in the Windows = guests >> C: drive ( or other drive letter). >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > Ahhh ... All you need is to install virtualbox-guestadditions in your > windows guest. >=20 > To do that, you must have the file : >=20 > VBoxGuestAdditions_5.2.34.iso >=20 > which gets pulled when you check >=20 > [x] GUESTADDITIONS Build with Guest Additions >=20 > in make config when building the virtualbox-ose port. >=20 > Attach the iso to your windows guest and install it. >=20 > After that, whatever folder you share from the host, will be = accessible by > your windows guest. >=20 > --=20 > Mario Lobo > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:48:17 -0000 I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G of memory. Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux. It needed a new power supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange problem. The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason - reboot randomly. The former owner reports that this was also happening when they last had it running Win8. I've run very heavy loads on it with load averages up to almost 50 - no problem. I've run overnight memory tests which return 0 errors. I've run CPU stress tests flawlessly and temperatures were fine. One hint here: I can consistently force the problem to happen if I start a Linux installation and request full disk encryption as part of the install. I doubt it has anything to with encryption per se, but there is some kind of pattern of use that it causing the reboot. Has anyone else ever seen something like this and/or have resolution? Is there a known bug with that processor? My first instinct was to blame flakey memory (DDR 1600 2x8G Hynix) but - as I said - memory testing is flawless. Thoughts and ideas most welcome. TIA, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 13:52:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CE2D8443 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 13:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RHPk4zspz4Y6Q for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 13:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id l20so13431461ilj.10 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1zTb3uTEfQKjFt5BB6h+lDOIe7haTiFSrzCABuj6sLM=; b=WWod9HBhp8T7mO6ivI54kTMZKnLJbolIkYkkmvD9LFIpI56aLEHC60VTDtSuS+dG/C +5iJwgcwNTMroZo3bUGPRBAmEX0+zMd953beZH7mww7fqPX/oOkKB93rkvWYXoqnC3dc U7G3/FvGiAIyMIeq0sfe2UYGnoK7FXgFnvbzm3C5nXRbSJKRS0PvIDD7Xt88sCLr9viW oTv9lDAQcB7LYw4WAo9KsUkZQfAt5/WPDQ4ye1+pd9Ob6dRntGrpi0I3fCv51wGzvgdX ezNQmj2jmL3lHQxvoc8VCenHE3mflt0YIV8dqxpRmgNJMP7FEWifd3+Jk5GOidqyJiLR Xi2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1zTb3uTEfQKjFt5BB6h+lDOIe7haTiFSrzCABuj6sLM=; b=ktXqyM0zBVAlW6NjAocfJA6nvIr57WSmptMreP3w3035Aqr4EF0VPbW4krfZnMJpt4 3qPo298S3QWCLp62xmZktai6BpgNovwol3wmwIZA6qy3xgzecB8EMvm5BAh36ghDx0fG 1mRDvVrMnMCTmsz0x3cNOPJw4rkptsxPymbPYMNGAL73ENbvcGNHT8bdJ1UFZqmahzsL QtuU4I/SmIIQi6r3s3hh+6CamGRdQgSk8cRp5k+jptM9iy5bYJRzTpk8bKwByYow7auG jgJhniIfEal5qngP4YyCfMot4Dw+A//rY09tiWOPOb8yno3R7Xp3M60R4KGmXd7WJQaa dBtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533HDRkeIAttuE6qNghXEpELeG+OwyPk3fegB+R7SF/AkI6LRQty qxQ6UsbJn/nLUJ4h8raJAIGhSh9BRTvr2S//e92V4xSBi4w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxqw2RLTjO7mUBd9kO79VejqDLEL1oz3Bvj0HXrxSe7sJn5kwXuCn+bM6XSyctFZ0EQP5cxqYHuH8QCSip91iY= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d4cf:: with SMTP id o15mr12091687ilm.49.1589896345084; Tue, 19 May 2020 06:52:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> From: Michael Schuster Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RHPk4zspz4Y6Q X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WWod9HBh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.64)[-0.642]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::135:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.04)[-0.036]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:52:27 -0000 can you trigger the problem when you perform the linux installation with full disk encryption in a VM? On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 3:48 PM Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G > of memory. Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux. It needed a new power > supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange > problem. > > The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason > - > reboot randomly. The former owner reports that this was also happening > when they last had it running Win8. > > I've run very heavy loads on it with load averages up to almost 50 - no > problem. I've run overnight memory tests which return 0 errors. > I've run CPU stress tests flawlessly and temperatures were fine. > > One hint here: I can consistently force the problem to happen if I start > a Linux installation and request full disk encryption as part of the > install. > I doubt it has anything to with encryption per se, but there is some kind > of pattern of use that it causing the reboot. > > Has anyone else ever seen something like this and/or have resolution? > > Is there a known bug with that processor? > > My first instinct was to blame flakey memory (DDR 1600 2x8G Hynix) but - > as I said - memory testing is flawless. > > Thoughts and ideas most welcome. > > > TIA, > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 13:59:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87A22D89DC for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 13:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RHZN3THhz4Yyr for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F0110193; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:59:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:59:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RHZN3THhz4Yyr X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.69)[-0.690]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.346]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:59:57 -0000 On 19/05/2020 14:46, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G > of memory. Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux. It needed a new power > supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange > problem. > > The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason - > reboot randomly. The former owner reports that this was also happening > when they last had it running Win8. > > I've run very heavy loads on it with load averages up to almost 50 - no > problem. I've run overnight memory tests which return 0 errors. > I've run CPU stress tests flawlessly and temperatures were fine. > > One hint here: I can consistently force the problem to happen if I start > a Linux installation and request full disk encryption as part of the install. > I doubt it has anything to with encryption per se, but there is some kind > of pattern of use that it causing the reboot. > > Has anyone else ever seen something like this and/or have resolution? > > Is there a known bug with that processor? I've got an i7-4790K (I presume you missed the K) in my desktop and Intel announced the CPU had problems with the TSX instruction set extension shortly after I got it, and that those instructions should be disabled in the BIOS. Other than that I've seen no suggestion anything else is buggy. > My first instinct was to blame flakey memory (DDR 1600 2x8G Hynix) but - > as I said - memory testing is flawless. > > Thoughts and ideas most welcome. If you hadn't changed the power supply I'd have suggested you look at that, but otherwise not a clue. -- Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too much weight round the middle. 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The use case is this: 1. things like youtube videos, twitter multimedia, playable on firefox, 2. vlc for streaming etc 3. system noises like you'd expect from a desktop 4. 12.1-stable 5. pcm3 Realtek ALC1150 2+1 config Reason for the question is partly because there's all kinds of "sound syste= m" like pulseaudio alsa jack oss ... which is the best for my use case? The ot= her reason is there seems to be a lag between selecting something to play like a youtube video and sound coming out. Something like 2-5 seconds; it's annoyi= ng and I have no idea how to diagnose it or fix it. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z25sm12366011qtj.75.2020.05.19.07.38.47 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 19 May 2020 07:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49RJRB2Pw4zXqG for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:38:35 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem Message-ID: <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/XWs=1z7KOVwRcu0cxdI.e7S"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RJYk5kcYz4cn0 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=OfzX1WOm; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.29 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.225.250:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.38)[-0.383]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.271]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:44:27 -0000 --Sig_/XWs=1z7KOVwRcu0cxdI.e7S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:59:48 +0100, Arthur Chance commented: >I've got an i7-4790K (I presume you missed the K) in my desktop and >Intel announced the CPU had problems with the TSX instruction set >extension shortly after I got it, and that those instructions should be >disabled in the BIOS. Other than that I've seen no suggestion anything >else is buggy. Have you checked to see if an updated BIOS has been issued for your machine? --=20 Jerry --Sig_/XWs=1z7KOVwRcu0cxdI.e7S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7D72sACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQJfQf9Ev94GDIxSUlVWVWzZCIL4OQbLFqndp0nFpkxp3P+t63KlIyDk2TeyM0X xdMom1kd+/59crrBycsOOwXL2NFDI6IB7nA8d3l3phdpOM6IM+unrTyyVeZxfO66 RE9e924rlU+UH/lsIqZU06BQ5qR/viatzTd5HfEc4LqFwsnUmPocxx0YXbR5Q7Gu 7Hrk5VBzSYqo053MO6LMa1KhFud3sdji3Yrc90FFVhWYuNds0RQ0r2+zG1Rpzwt6 gfKtLnHUiaqABfH6xrubMaQwAJqjYSYWBdA2fBnqP/nPGiLSb40roMYMRnP1dkXS mnpxbP0QHENlZ/3bVpzsvL2U9AgBUQ== =RxWQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/XWs=1z7KOVwRcu0cxdI.e7S-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 14:52:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E137A2DAA8B for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49RJkj4DHgz4d2M for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.15]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 430F34E649 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 09:52:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:52:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RJkj4DHgz4d2M X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:52:13 -0000 On 5/19/20 9:38 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:59:48 +0100, Arthur Chance commented: >> I've got an i7-4790K (I presume you missed the K) in my desktop and >> Intel announced the CPU had problems with the TSX instruction set >> extension shortly after I got it, and that those instructions should be >> disabled in the BIOS. Other than that I've seen no suggestion anything >> else is buggy. > > Have you checked to see if an updated BIOS has been issued for your > machine? > Arthur's and Jerry's suggestions almost certainly cover everything. Were there not for them I would suggest to also open the machine and "re-seat" SSD or hard drive whichever device you have. (and RAM unless it is soldered to the system board). I know the contacts are gold plated but still they manage to oxydate somehow (not that much). Probably gold plating is porous sometimes, not contiguous layer of gold. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 14:52:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B412DAAA9 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RJlZ1fgLz4dLs for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JEpal8049066 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 09:51:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Michael Schuster Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <67ac6396-967f-1d76-0c6d-011d0799b6b7@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:51:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 09:51:37 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JEpal8049066 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, timed out) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RJlZ1fgLz4dLs X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.41)[-0.406]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.19)[-0.190]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:52:59 -0000 On 5/19/20 8:52 AM, Michael Schuster wrote: > can you trigger the problem when you perform the linux installation with full disk encryption in a VM? It appears not. It is installing right now and seems to be working just fine when I do the installation with disk encryption in an Oracle Virtualbox VM on that machine. > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 3:48 PM Tim Daneliuk > wrote: > > I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G > of memory.  Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux.  It needed a new power > supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange > problem. > > The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason - > reboot randomly.  The former owner reports that this was also happening > when they last had it running Win8. > > I've run very heavy loads on it with load averages up to almost 50 - no > problem.  I've run overnight memory tests which return 0 errors. > I've run CPU stress tests flawlessly and temperatures were fine. > > One hint here:  I can consistently force the problem to happen if I start > a Linux installation and request full disk encryption as part of the install. > I doubt it has anything to with encryption per se, but there is some kind > of pattern of use that it causing the reboot. > > Has anyone else ever seen something like this and/or have resolution? > > Is there a known bug with that processor? > > My first instinct was to blame flakey memory (DDR 1600 2x8G Hynix) but - > as I said - memory testing is flawless. > > Thoughts and ideas most welcome. > > > TIA, > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Daneliuk     tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key:         http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 14:53:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B7C2DAC0A for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RJlk0pbSz4dM5 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JEqvbx049096 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 09:52:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:52:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 09:52:57 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JEqvbx049096 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.092, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.81, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RJlk0pbSz4dM5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:53:06 -0000 On 5/19/20 9:38 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:59:48 +0100, Arthur Chance commented: >> I've got an i7-4790K (I presume you missed the K) in my desktop and >> Intel announced the CPU had problems with the TSX instruction set >> extension shortly after I got it, and that those instructions should be >> disabled in the BIOS. Other than that I've seen no suggestion anything >> else is buggy. > > Have you checked to see if an updated BIOS has been issued for your > machine? > yes, and it has been updated to latest -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 14:54:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42AA2DAC58 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RJnF5hcgz4dkH for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 14:54:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JEsIoj049170 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 09:54:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:54:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 09:54:19 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JEsIoj049170 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.094, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.81, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RJnF5hcgz4dkH X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.48)[-0.483]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.259]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:54:26 -0000 On 5/19/20 9:52 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Have you checked to see if an updated BIOS has been issued for your >> machine? >> > Arthur's and Jerry's suggestions almost certainly cover everything. Were there not for them I would suggest to also open the machine and "re-seat" SSD or hard drive whichever device you have. (and RAM unless it is soldered to the system board). I know the contacts are gold plated but still they manage to oxydate somehow (not that much). Probably gold plating is porous sometimes, not contiguous layer of gold. > > Valeri I have done all the above :( -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 15:14:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502A02DB518 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x129.google.com (mail-il1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RKDt4NxJz4g1F for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x129.google.com with SMTP id 17so13769502ilj.3 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:14:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wnsDyYHTSlrgYtGX1s8MZFdX4ZEMSKGWT526UehRNk8=; b=q9vg5v4ZB+eKU0qGMzyh6/d4KJOAKYoWDDSMck7kv7jrtE70E57iZIOQ/AicVevL9R 5/UfWRXGEpFYVb1XB1lYbm3jdaeLnv4mQtUj43ByNNN51VHWNontt8AHg9OnotZcgMqs aqsdg04REOOL3SuLhh3N/f5qAadFAjNP5zwJdUApFpOAkViL5SMlRV1prmkXR/s5zDny Q1eYO6bPXU8uCfhSbugQYznkg8wGS7h9wzydVWIzSvPIwahBzxYWX6euky2uXiEm+t1D rVgr/xsHyBeW5Z/9i29O+krf/YhC11kUZNAch2Fp4dtIWmxB5ZMdbSS97Er14H1P8agT xxcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wnsDyYHTSlrgYtGX1s8MZFdX4ZEMSKGWT526UehRNk8=; b=TyeLm1yn4106ZoMCqxXbfxxf3+wCEyCMpO3s86R9kNb/BGCyirPj10FEkM8rD5LNSf FVOlradk9qyxh1g9aKDrNRXZyyJOqtrmHnmuBTgWn+S76RG5l0E2J3iYDcbjfMM8wsYI 4/ZgoxE/caDTEMLIhqMAWL1ugBs2fAHGc+zR+wVDarvZKizRggkuHVUCZOfCQb/C5+bW JgwBVF0ADGSHXsYWMb2Cnnf1JMxU2P55xPH9fHDwQa+x7CyzzkGWiZYMfJumzCtzMPxd Hv2qJMeCjD9jJYlizZX3daUijdYmO/DsukBUNqm6gCBhGQq7IHdEyjLnz4uVCWfWWRdO bLrA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531/VSrF4WOckPIvRnnZXt+5BhvpRZCKWBd/Ec/1T2qO7V7W75EF PT8L2KUgJIqYsrEmCZn6tyVW+agKgROoWVU1bAQRn9Dl X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw7rG72n5tMXIULbRd/u+dPeFazLkISG4SU3r0TWx3ch/TsZ71OeqGfk/6iPlgiq9XYclODM6K+Le5puIxSuFU= X-Received: by 2002:a92:7f0e:: with SMTP id a14mr21888120ild.209.1589901293371; Tue, 19 May 2020 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> From: Michael Schuster Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:14:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: Valeri Galtsev , freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RKDt4NxJz4g1F X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=q9vg5v4Z; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.616]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.02)[0.025]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:14:55 -0000 Any chance of capturing a serial console? Sent On Tue, May 19, 2020, 16:54 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 9:52 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> Have you checked to see if an updated BIOS has been issued for your > >> machine? > >> > > Arthur's and Jerry's suggestions almost certainly cover everything. Were > there not for them I would suggest to also open the machine and "re-seat" > SSD or hard drive whichever device you have. (and RAM unless it is soldered > to the system board). I know the contacts are gold plated but still they > manage to oxydate somehow (not that much). Probably gold > plating is porous sometimes, not contiguous layer of gold. > > > > Valeri > > I have done all the above :( > > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 15:21:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A342DBB75 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49RKNM4fF1z4gDr for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.15]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EF0F4E676; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:12:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <31c596ff-777d-47ff-83e8-3db9b3430d92@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:12:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RKNM4fF1z4gDr X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.139.15:received]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.15:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.54)[0.538]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.28)[0.284]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:21:24 -0000 On 5/19/20 9:54 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 9:52 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> Have you checked to see if an updated BIOS has been issued for your >>> machine? >>> >> Arthur's and Jerry's suggestions almost certainly cover everything. Were there not for them I would suggest to also open the machine and "re-seat" SSD or hard drive whichever device you have. (and RAM unless it is soldered to the system board). I know the contacts are gold plated but still they manage to oxydate somehow (not that much). Probably gold plating is porous sometimes, not contiguous layer of gold. >> >> Valeri > > I have done all the above :( > Next what I will try is put the machine in the freezer for half hour (whatever time is necessary to cool it to the core), the after taking out of freezer attempt to reproduce the trouble. The above is related to the micro crack(s) in the circuit board(s). Next, I would investigate all places where heat syncs are supposed to have heat contact to chips. Overheating some of the components on the circuit board can trigger something like that. While the thing is stripped I will carefully investigate boards for suspicious areas. First thing that happened after everyone went "lad-free" soldering was: soldering alloys were not flexible, and some places where components were supposed to be soldered were not reliably soldered. These days it is overcome, but it just may be some unlucky board... Which I hope it is not. Basically, stressing things, like you are making it use encryption of filesystem which is accessed constantly during installation may reveal that sort of trouble by non-uniformly heating (some chips become much hotter than everything else). When we needed to test CPU/RAM for that compiling world or kernel was good test. Incidentally, is your new AC adapter attached to machine during the test? What if you repeat it on battery (make sure to disable power saving where possible). Dell smartly detects AC adapter attached, and I can suspect something coming from AC adapter may trigger the same (e.g., reboot). Good luck, and keep us posted. Valeri > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 15:38:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EDA2DC895 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RKmP5QHpz3TXq for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.15.198]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MIMXE-1jpJON3zDo-00EMxD; Tue, 19 May 2020 17:38:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:38:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop Message-Id: <20200519173839.8e758dc3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Z9F97uM05krczk86yPoDpOk9HexngTj9uU/Ti39Meaffyf7CiVf hBVucybY7HNNE71gPRNvKgJwl2lnBC033OYdqkqOig7K2EILnhnwNHBo/4r3Doklp+g8LH+ A+lE4y9Y792zsr0gI5oc/47dxmslCtvNC5d5QoebpMGCvLOa8HcDRVNLaIq+Nzh5tJ3AJJy 2OtFi5KrGUY/CngW/XTFA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:l7JKaUUtsDI=:WztMOEtTU4MDqBwG3Na3rc xKsFZJpLR/2pwU7E3D9i70r4xH34ejQ8ZJXgMPt8acO/HbRZWFVYjR9UdD8UmoSpW3XJjKjht u0w5v3O7W9VslODYbCqYzT/MJLR91klqowIfYbadrNou1bpIyfB2QY9tnxLB6GKNlosdyFrBQ V338ihFazdOAUn54CkFYIxL5qg0fI1QK8+6YqqcelHTemKhZesJbZrZ7/+7m8eUcanV8eNIG9 wdxqwxXp04QIYcbMzVD3luIQ1ruijxoko/zYD6qIZswSilFv6yhQxRExXJm9RGibozjHTw7HO OPrRWL8dSbDCzzOnlDN8hCj8/2WrcZlDKJXcCP9758Xe/g1TRHzSBT/1H5r1Lp9n2lkNY0SnG lAHcJDmWfOCHEM6TL6kEUMHzPMTFue+wxb4joeDOb9yhcVm1HdCzDvByrzSx26uO7sEhR9i9G BH/x4QsQdA0PaVHeJxCanyAyancfdpoziiaUWHEvHsvS37N6k/kvSo41M+vPrbt3eZml8xaA+ PQlG088ghoH7UrDMGZLObGCu41PIWahTRBl2yhrerrfWaD7AbpboNdrMUV2r8ME26yIoDlHmC bkuwrDmB+XHP+OldIxlhRIJohUuHVwIFbpA5jtVwGWR6eHc5MwsPNh25fNEZXA1UJR3RpZQde 4kHue2oOV9lOIAuqLrdNbdxdAfSH+eD3zt0b09LCsh+ryaK1OZojsQbYoeQ/V41z9FXdLueFg o4e1vrLiP7nA/Z6Nvbt01jk6ijyo6C77/CyNqV23fs/ui186oBKseIBKmkERE55gjDVO0PJo1 pJnNwxCOh/zDFXkdn4LIqyexl3Sg08d+G1OhL9UgNmOQwaU0qet2K2p02z9xoGgmfOLGQ3v X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RKmP5QHpz3TXq X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.135) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.39 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.40)[0.400]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.59)[0.587]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.135:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.15.198:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:38:47 -0000 Personal opinion follows. On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:19:14 +0100, tech-lists wrote: > What's in thes list's opinion would be the "best" sound setup for a freebsd > desktop? The use case is this: > > 1. things like youtube videos, twitter multimedia, playable on firefox, Works fully as expected. > 2. vlc for streaming etc No problem. > 3. system noises like you'd expect from a desktop Depends on the desktop environment you use, and how it is configured to entertain, erm annoy the user. I don't expect a desktop to make any noises, unless the head is banged onto it. :-) > 4. 12.1-stable > 5. pcm3 Realtek ALC1150 2+1 config Doesn't look non-standard. :-) > Reason for the question is partly because there's all kinds of "sound system" > like pulseaudio alsa jack oss ... which is the best for my use case? Probably OSS, because as far as I'm aware of, most programs default to OSS (on FreeBSD) anyway. All the other "sound systems" are just specific one-off cases for certain applications that depend on them. You also forgot to mention ESD and SDL. ;-) > The other > reason is there seems to be a lag between selecting something to play like a > youtube video and sound coming out. Something like 2-5 seconds; it's annoying > and I have no idea how to diagnose it or fix it. Any clues please? That looks very strange. Do you have significant load problems on your machine (check with convenient tools like htop)? Is this just a "YouTube in the browser" problem? Does it lead to unsynchronized playback (audio is 5 seconds behind video)? If you download something from YT using youtube-dl and then play the file with mplayer, do you see the same problem? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 16:01:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6123B2DCAFD for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RLGH3sLBz3VmH for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:01:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JG0f64051027 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 11:00:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> <31c596ff-777d-47ff-83e8-3db9b3430d92@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <17b8e84b-1bcd-e160-4fe5-c303059f42c5@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:00:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31c596ff-777d-47ff-83e8-3db9b3430d92@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 11:00:42 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JG0f64051027 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.095, required 1, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.81, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RLGH3sLBz3VmH X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.31)[0.305]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.48)[-0.479]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:01:12 -0000 On 5/19/20 10:12 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Incidentally, is your new AC adapter attached to machine during the test? What if you repeat it on battery This is a desktop tower -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 16:02:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F612DD1AA for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RLHD4t9Tz3Vxq for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JG1pX6051078 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 11:01:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Michael Schuster Cc: Valeri Galtsev , freeBSD Mailing List References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <06484655-6e1f-7ddd-561e-3ff896f8c646@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:01:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 11:01:52 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JG1pX6051078 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.096, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.80, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RLHD4t9Tz3Vxq X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.38)[0.381]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.39)[-0.387]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:02:01 -0000 On 5/19/20 10:14 AM, Michael Schuster wrote: > Any chance of capturing a serial console?  Difficult. I'm not sure it would tell me much, though. 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I don't expect >a desktop to make any noises, unless the head is banged >onto it. :-) The bell, aka as PC speaker beep, could be a useful desktop sound, unless the user does run vi. Vi is obviously used much on the bridge of the Enterprise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBvaOLDem0 Joking apart, desktop sound is not just an annoyance, it is also a serious risk, especially if different sources could access audio output at the same time. Imagine you set the wanted level for the trash bin sound, after that you watch a very silent video. You increase the volume of the amplifier much, to listen to the video and after watching and listening the video, you move it to the trash bin, without decreasing the volume first. The trash bin sound could blow the speakers. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 16:11:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8A92DD4D6 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49RLV04MZ9z3Wfk for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.15]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 05F234E649; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk , Michael Schuster Cc: freeBSD Mailing List References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> <06484655-6e1f-7ddd-561e-3ff896f8c646@tundraware.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <0292461d-c23e-4faf-34cf-9fd394c3bab6@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:11:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06484655-6e1f-7ddd-561e-3ff896f8c646@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RLV04MZ9z3Wfk X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.139.15:received]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.61)[0.614]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.38)[0.383]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[tundraware.com,gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.15:received] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:11:21 -0000 On 5/19/20 11:01 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 10:14 AM, Michael Schuster wrote: >> Any chance of capturing a serial console? > > Difficult. I'm not sure it would tell me much, though. When this happens, > the machine just does an instantaneous hard reset as if I had hit a button > to do so. > What if you replace power supply with new one speced twice as powerful as the original one? (borrow from someone for a day or two if you don't have one on the shelf) These things may happen when the power supply is marginally enough powerful for the machine. Also with age electrolytic capacitors are loosing capacitance, which leads to the same (both capacitors on AC adapter or on system board may be the culprit for slightly different reasons. I would inspect system board very carefully, especially around CPU, for any of capacitors bulging, or any traces of capacitors leaked. Those are filtering ripple on PCI[-x/e,...] bus, and ripple there hitting slightly above some threshold will make the machine just reboot. Please, keep us posted. Valeri > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 16:19:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFCE2DDD12 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RLfq4Dq7z3X9b for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.15.198]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MMoKq-1jIRbc3uZ2-00IkVR; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:18:53 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:18:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop Message-Id: <20200519181851.3bc181a1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200519180547.4802dc7f@archlinux> References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200519173839.8e758dc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200519180547.4802dc7f@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JLbKK5yOPwoL0PKpacVEh5Fja/ze16IEMceVEIffWwPUh4wmAzF W+nMotONV/iuax5y9u9aIJFmKwOppYlS+ShP8wJUz1C2GjJg7i3rYfu8F6iIEGdkZ7h4Z4t vTp30fb1vZBb79/EnmV5T4q3OoS2o+vditf6v7L7ScvcI3xrc4ETUuai44ye50pY2k0CwK1 6O79jbJJzWPVWU2NWarmg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:neFHW4cogyw=:iN+VEjiVsDsGS1v/ZOzDFt X/Y5XbXCKNglsx5tK1m0xfA3wNN89nM01yKuKHF4FEq71YLKR1DasCLtikN+wecnleIdpzmFy 3ZFVv9WU6LxuT35flMvIw/mlHU1+csxi/F1yT/6YVn3tthUVfQqeApV7vPCOXM8fqraPkaVdQ I8tSghriJo5FeRe5f3bKf5ckzphaheOL9IeaWCsicaaKDVmGma3qxZBNIcxmwbPjJ3hXyBMDE 2BNM8y22luPEUC4ZiczOSxTCbLdbgA17Iu3eDnHoJUNpw68FRD505gjkBJL5C+ARbClNhTPDF s2Rv5n/BGZOTMhW6GxPsOYVJ6n/OzrOssOYptsKsWGAjobxkcTgoxRbOwhNr0F+k8E98l8WD2 YV2ZNaMVWUHN3gH2BT6ZzoLV6Hkf3rJax1RCSEUT/iTSP7tmVKbXYSzE0hIujtdYOq1zq8wx+ OqP2eOC7xjKF2VQjNrAs1osB+pppsW7oVRwU4tLN0ORZUMa2S8Qvd3rHL7CtHmzFeekMdr5XY GJtI65wbIMGAP/tn1NGxB07TGeEs4q1jA2OwtUfGNMDhTiw4lhRkhZ0imOxaSpbrOUQmX7zk1 z5f5lxS40M/bK1rA542ZvcitZAp9oDMeSflSF0CMtMcEKD8JvVj/6sd7t/1VgXJeq7gjKAjPL oGOGbzl88AC9E7Eg0G23kN9bZ8z0TGHQaACE+HgtYJV8KSD1X7OzK3mbFUlAxE/L2GYS0xhfx GcqHaVoWAmyc+j2PfgiyNMUTjO7gBQIT2X7CJPnOzCBO3RcdENOBjggZHDl1Y5zAwWikuxLxq cptOJtxpvIWM8OYrcRwNqonQ8kgt2+brPztJHgwf/Unp70FR26yRMj84qtTiz9EMUQecGKL X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RLfq4Dq7z3X9b X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.47 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.15.198:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.452]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.62)[0.619]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:19:00 -0000 On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:05:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 17:38:39 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >> 3. system noises like you'd expect from a desktop > > > >Depends on the desktop environment you use, and how it is > >configured to entertain, erm annoy the user. I don't expect > >a desktop to make any noises, unless the head is banged > >onto it. :-) > > The bell, aka as PC speaker beep, could be a useful desktop sound, > unless the user does run vi. In X, you can even configure what the bell sound should be (using something like "xset b 100 1000 15"). With xbiff, it says "You have mail!". And certain MUAs can even define their own media files for things they want you to hear. NOW PAY ATTENTION TO ME! YOU HAVE NO NEW MESSAGES!!! :-) > Joking apart, desktop sound is not just an annoyance, it is also a > serious risk, especially if different sources could access audio output > at the same time. Programs, if configured properly, can deal with that. For example mplayer can have its own volume setting independent from other sounds. The master volume can be used as a "ceiling value", even if PCM is at 100. > Imagine you set the wanted level for the trash bin sound, after that > you watch a very silent video. You increase the volume of the amplifier > much, to listen to the video and after watching and listening the > video, you move it to the trash bin, without decreasing the volume > first. The trash bin sound could blow the speakers. And curious people can hear things they're not supposed to hear and to know: "Please enter your secret password." "Eytsh you en tee ee are two." Shhh! "You entered the password hunter two. Is that your password?" Um... "Please speak louder into the microphone. Is hunter two your password?" Yes? "You have confirmed your password hunter twelve. You are now logged in to Facebook. Now enter your credit card number and secret PIN to confirm your identity." Erm... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 16:24:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0B62DDF6E for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RLml6mFNz3XyK for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.15.198]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MgiPE-1j7X6M0hSe-00h46G; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:23:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:23:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: Michael Schuster , Valeri Galtsev , freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem Message-Id: <20200519182353.3f6e325e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <06484655-6e1f-7ddd-561e-3ff896f8c646@tundraware.com> References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <20200519103835.00003914@seibercom.net> <65f0c2dd-b431-9b9a-d256-1acf4801c771@tundraware.com> <06484655-6e1f-7ddd-561e-3ff896f8c646@tundraware.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JqPYtnviPNB1nfkOMEnXssLwqUIa6Fduo9G+jwkayc72cfkiXCs 2QQvu/Z1FDryFcN5fcqf9XMoo5ObLh2d6a1hj1SAPqZCUwNayoM7a42+LOGG3BFtQdRxsv3 fBGau0jUxPEZWcwE86YYMt+kERXnGwzqZYCZ/Km/0JlyViXPuV3mwQBH7UK1SV7v0ODY8DH LndT4g3tACloWSqR1J88g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:6FKGSydkqNY=:N0wHPAF6T+VuMkM0N4gSd/ pZtdWu67p+VBFR7hts818gS+UdtZScZ6VoH5bB5MYutIn28E9Q3Id/9DjccB8toDWmCoC8dN/ o0Oo32c21pzLeFJZSdGwKX6PJ6LrmavcCgq9rHx3G1tcpyHJl05HlQ497NbcnxnKtPet51KOF iD1VTZz8697seKCGBNE7wGQzs5k/A/lIygYlgAr7hII2dZAtoexOkVcDvTAt9fkEi82deaXpG OO7yYoKH2JuFUV2Ah4yKMt7rVeCdtKpM63WIpqyCZzvXtAOZECj2PeiFGdpkFw9zIPeF2nAYZ EFZd17e718Mj7dliRhl3FFZ2enK6DiWr2bDz6DkPBceYmbBbNqj83Xb4hjGCbsFnIeWbG97EF FXAHEwh/seshJfjB1c3c8tnUETueTn7mwErUJZYc+Y+791kyeic3WQk4J3KHxUTbVaqRRXFd3 3zU1wqhEMVjVzNetlYrte32ckjhiIunUE+s97sQaDaaHwCix8/PNVmJ8Uzt9OXYhUQMA1WMsW nKY4xlVCmtH5/ZRBRuVxQTRfCrM1+JHEja6OwH/KqrZZ7HqRe/+IwiO9DC4t4tpW0Dt/loCCq kE/RLS2YejRH6wHuS4VciquIXlHnJbRrCuqcBKJChlXc6auV0kZl8yi4+aY3UULHwg5duQmap ziVXmd8qrUmd4qqnAvTR5NNQ4YGDg4D6CwmOp20gWzvhVFAnABJGBTxobRc7IBseGI4ewYq9Z n5JlyNc6ZHcECF9uD7C7tQH8bJ18P57K2fyMVqIGRE1dLvu60LS860bmOQFXIEzAE7kNESyN+ vqsvlNU5wN8kY4FUO1d0vlP9BPL9fynJVpagFmq5VWkSOM7FzUwAtqRe6asZm8awZiIrqff X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RLml6mFNz3XyK X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.135) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.15 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.15.198:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.222]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.52)[0.523]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.135:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,kicp.uchicago.edu,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:24:09 -0000 On Tue, 19 May 2020 11:01:46 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 10:14 AM, Michael Schuster wrote: > > Any chance of capturing a serial console?=A0 >=20 > Difficult. I'm not sure it would tell me much, though. When this happen= s, > the machine just does an instantaneous hard reset as if I had hit a button > to do so. I had a machine with exactly that problem (which is comparable to what you're describing). This instant reboot could not be intendedly triggered, but it often happened when playing media files. As I assume, it was a faulty graphics card. Certain games would halt the system (and the last audio samples would loop in the sound card, making a buzzing sound), and it could also instant reboot when using mencoder to convert a media file from one format to another (for example, AVI to MP4). When run in headless mode (with the graphics card removed), the system did not reboot, crash, or halt anymore. Maybe you can do an "exchange test" with the components of the system? One at a time - replace power supply, RAM, main processor, graphics card, hard disk / SSD). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <72824.1589685787@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <5c384499-c87a-e121-2337-3598adf7fef0@fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:01:35 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72824.1589685787@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RMqD3rm6z3bXV X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=vkxN5+JS; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=YMl1PTrO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 66.111.4.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.33 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:66.111.4.28:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.28:from]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[fastmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.10)[-0.104]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[95.153.134.233:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[95.153.134.233:received]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.28:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.53)[0.534]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:11:21 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message , > Yuri Pankov wrote: > >> No, it's not that bug after all. The issue is that (n)vi now (for quite >> some time :-) defaults to UTF-8 when it can't reliably detect the file >> encoding, so you'll just have to help it a bit adding the following to >> ~/.nexrc: >> >> set fileencoding=iso8859-1 >> >> This way (n)vi will check if file encoding looks like UTF-8, and if not, >> it will use ISO8859-1 as fallback. > > Ahhhhhh... I did what you said and yes, that fixed it! > > Thanks ever so much! This has been bugging me fofr quite awile. > > And my apologies for being to lazy/preoccupied to dredge deeply > enough into the man pages to be able to find this solution on > my own. > > If you were my fairy godmother, then I'd ask you to grant me > one more wish, which would be to have (n)vi always be able to > automagically correctly detect the content encoding in any given > file it is asked to load. But you're not, so I won't. :-) > > Still, it seems like it out to be possible to do. It appears > that a hnuman (you) didn't have much trouble figuring out the > correct encoding type in this instance, so one would think > that this one piece of software might be able to do a better > job in this particular guessing game. (Should I bother to > submit a PR / enhancement request for that?) I do agree that falling back to user locale's encoding that is UTF-8 doesn't make much sense as we already know that it will fail. I'll put a change that makes us try ISO8859-1 (as it seems to be the most widely used single byte locale?) instead if we fail all of the checks below (as added to the code): 1. Check for valid UTF-8. 2. Check if fallback fileencoding is set and is NOT UTF-8. 3. Check if user locale's encoding is NOT UTF-8. 4. Use ISO8859-1 as last resort. As for the autodetecting the single byte encoding, I don't think it's doable in base without adding too much dependencies -- there are tools in ports for this, but if you really need it, can I just say the magic word, "vim"? :-) The review is at https://reviews.freebsd.org/D24919. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 18:23:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA5C2F0E71 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RPQs06ZZz3gmb for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:23:40 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:23:40 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RPQs06ZZz3gmb X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.44)[0.444]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.960]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:23:52 -0000 On 2020-05-19 06:46, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G > of memory. Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux. It needed a new power > supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange > problem. > > The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason - > reboot randomly. The former owner reports that this was also happening > when they last had it running Win8. > > I've run very heavy loads on it with load averages up to almost 50 - no > problem. I've run overnight memory tests which return 0 errors. > I've run CPU stress tests flawlessly and temperatures were fine. > > One hint here: I can consistently force the problem to happen if I start > a Linux installation and request full disk encryption as part of the install. > I doubt it has anything to with encryption per se, but there is some kind > of pattern of use that it causing the reboot. > > Has anyone else ever seen something like this and/or have resolution? > > Is there a known bug with that processor? > > My first instinct was to blame flakey memory (DDR 1600 2x8G Hynix) but - > as I said - memory testing is flawless. > > Thoughts and ideas most welcome. I have not seen these suggestions yet: 1. Have you tried connecting the system drive to another port? 2. Have you tried replacing the SATA cable? 3. Have you tried replacing the system drive? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 18:34:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE6C2F15BD for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RPfg0Mwfz3yTk for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JIWiGq053973 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 13:32:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:32:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 13:32:44 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JIWiGq053973 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, timed out) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RPfg0Mwfz3yTk X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.59 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.187]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.48)[-0.478]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:34:03 -0000 On 5/19/20 1:23 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > I have not seen these suggestions yet: > > 1.  Have you tried connecting the system drive to another port? > > 2.  Have you tried replacing the SATA cable? > > 3.  Have you tried replacing the system drive? 1. and 2. are next on my list of things to try. I did try 3. albeit with the same SATA cable and port - no difference. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 18:46:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF9E2F1E5D for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:46:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RPwb2NnYz40jt for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:45:57 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:45:56 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RPwb2NnYz40jt X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.76 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.90)[0.897]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.963]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:46:08 -0000 On 2020-05-19 11:32, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 1:23 PM, David Christensen wrote: >> >> I have not seen these suggestions yet: >> >> 1.  Have you tried connecting the system drive to another port? >> >> 2.  Have you tried replacing the SATA cable? >> >> 3.  Have you tried replacing the system drive? > > > 1. and 2. are next on my list of things to try. > > I did try 3. albeit with the same SATA cable and port - no difference. Another: 4. Have you tried installing an HBA and connecting the system drive to that? 5. Have you tried resetting the CMOS settings to defaults via Setup? Via the motherboard jumper? 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Versions are as follows: MATE: 1.22Firefox: 76.0.1_2,1FreeBSD: 12.1-StableGstreamer plugins:=C2=A0 1= .16 (and a whole bunch of plugins) HW: Ryzen 5 2600X16 GB RAM cat /dev/sndstat Installed devices: pcm0: (play) pcm1: (play) pcm2: (play) pcm3: (play/rec) default pcm4: (play/rec) pcm5: (play) No devices installed from userspace. Here's the problem: I can stream Flash, HTML5 etc, etc.=C2=A0 YouTUBE is fine, etc HOWEVER, my gf found two sites that are HORRIBLE regarding voice audio. It sounds like bitrate/sampling is incredible off. I have found the common factor:=C2=A0 JW Player.=C2=A0 Both sites are versi= on 8.0.{8,12} and trying to play them is painful. Is this a well known problem?=C2=A0 Has a bug been filed/created?=C2=A0=20 I couldn't find anything but I don't want to replicate. Thank you, Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 20:08:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D895E2F3E9C for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 20:08:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-il1-x12c.google.com (mail-il1-x12c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RRm22mL2z45V5 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 20:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-il1-x12c.google.com with SMTP id 18so709773iln.9 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 13:08:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gOvn8P1Zgwg0Nw0Mk0glaFduDAphZBHg3r/5C9P4uCY=; b=fwWcEGXNHPTNwd2NF7DG1r8OAO02YmA2SSmEBEgu8v/kIUcAs9FxD2dXBQrqtQZgU9 bbfYSckD8LD7LY2ZpMVM5pqiMmEZic1qHi0Pro779Z4csVcAcbbfn6Vr7w6h/fRCSkdc gAOX6ff1Nx6ID5L9hAMoOriuUR6Rnv6EMk0/0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gOvn8P1Zgwg0Nw0Mk0glaFduDAphZBHg3r/5C9P4uCY=; b=b7YHIMJLfrHsndX24v4att3MjefcYgsKtYj1qiA8AcG95NgO2/2cmWNsFvEOAcdLQG vPC1kQorh8RxCYzDKZtGVHZA2hvrylDEmssShFgN6ClP4zhx1cyVtLNzHxmn0et7V/Ja MqD1h4f9B8oPZWh+JRU9QuR8XuqwViWth4o6B+62vBEWrIgfy6O873rfq8V4frirz4Qc +swK4wCu9m4wk+Tmz9C7u8cb8iqsLQWQX75pnFMZHvE/tlPozPL8XKAHebphnqlTWnjO KWd0Fwtj/bPCCVrDqiI9MZxwjq4+TwcHIrzwV67sGcKCAlcvqWC89xr8BF6zBMix3GwD T8ww== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533aEjhQdCbD90b8hHEQ4J6ExezdNIPcZvN6FrPqdzAVMbI5EtRk LBbWx4jz3QUHlYAcpqlnH8WRAxR+bgBu2aZaUT8mGdgtmdE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz8lkvsJ7mmEhqzqgLr8QeX+C0vOHus2BoyFasoah0gfdOdFGQv+Zt8OhgaCHMJEh/4BQSbJioxqpkXchll1gM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d40a:: with SMTP id q10mr768448ilm.87.1589918928361; Tue, 19 May 2020 13:08:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mario Lobo Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:08:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RRm22mL2z45V5 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=fwWcEGXN; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.58 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.34)[-0.337]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.26)[0.257]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:08:51 -0000 Christoph; I think you didn't fully understand what I was saying. There are 2 different scenarios: 1) FreeBSD is your main desktop/server OS on the physical machine, and you run all your VMs in it using VirtualBox (whatever they are) In this case, you do not need to compile the virtualbox-ose-additions port. It isn't needed when you run VMs with FreeBSD as their host. When you install VirtualBox on your FreeBSD physical machine, it comes with an .iso file (VBoxGuestAdditions_5.2.34.iso) that you should attach to your VMs (windows ot linux) so you can install guest additions on them. Here, vboxdrv.ko,vboxnetadp.ko and vboxnetflt.ko take care of EVERYTHING concerning the VMs (shared folders, network, video, etc...) 2) You have whatever OS (BSD,Windows,Linux, Mac) for your desktop/server, you installed VirtualBox on it, and you want to run FreeBSD AS VM on it. That is the ONLY occasion you are gonna need to compile the virtualbox-ose-additions port. INSIDE the running FreebSD vm! This is the ONLY place where vboxvfs.ko is gonna of service. You should never compile this port on FreeBSD as host. ONLY as a VM! The port not compiling IS a problem, but only if your scenario is number 2) --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:12 AM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Aah, thanks. That=E2=80=99s a good tip. (virtualbox-guestadditions) > Will do that. From what I see these the guest additions are in > virtualbox-additions, but these are exactly the ones that fail on me to > compile. > vboxvfs is in there too and from the README GuestAdditions have to be > enabled in a dialogue. > > Compilation fails here: > > -o > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/= freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/alloc.o > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/= VBox/Runtime/common/alloc/alloc.cpp > kmk: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... > In file included from > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/= VBox/Runtime/common/alloc/heapsimple.cpp:39: > In file included from > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/incl= ude/iprt/string.h:45: > In file included from /usr/src/sys/sys/libkern.h:41: > In file included from /usr/src/sys/sys/systm.h:140: > */usr/src/sys/sys/pcpu.h:224:10: **fatal error: **'machine/pcpu_aux.h' > file not found* > #include > * ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* > 1 error generated. > kmk: *** > [/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o] > Error 1 > The failing command: > @c++ -c -g -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -Wextra > -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-unused -Wno-trigraphs > -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-unused-parameter > -Wno-language-extension-token -Wno-gnu-folding-constant > -Wno-gnu-anonymous-struct -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-nested-anon-types > -Wno-variadic-macros -Wpointer-arith -Winline -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing > -fno-common -fno-stack-protector -O2 -fno-omit-frame-pointer > -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -nostdinc -include > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/incl= ude/VBox/VBoxGuestMangling.h > -m64 --param inline-unit-growth=3D100 --param large-function-growth=3D100= 0 > -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=3Dkernel -mno-red-zone -mfpmath=3D387 -m= no-sse > -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-table= s > -Wundef > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/ou= t/freebsd.amd64/debug/gen-sys-hdrs > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Runtime > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Runtime/include > -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/../include > -I/usr/include > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/ou= t/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/dtrace > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/in= clude > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/ou= t/freebsd.amd64/debug > -DVBOX -DVBOX_OSE -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS -DVBOX_WITH_REM > -DVBOX_WITH_RAW_MODE -DDEBUG -DDEBUG_root -DDEBUG_USERNAME=3Droot > -DRT_OS_FREEBSD -D__FREEBSD__ -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 -D__AMD64__ > -DVBOX_WITH_DEBUGGER -DVBOX_WITH_HARDENING -DRT_LOCK_STRICT > -DRT_LOCK_STRICT_ORDER -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox= \" > -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE_ARCH=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" > -DRTPATH_SHARED_LIBS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" > -DRTPATH_APP_DOCS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" -DIN_RING0 -DIN_RT_R0 > -DHC_ARCH_BITS=3D64 -DGC_ARCH_BITS=3D64 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -DIN_GUEST > -DIN_GUEST_R0 -DIN_RT_R0 -DRT_WITH_VBOX -DRT_WITHOUT_NOCRT_WRAPPERS > -DRT_NO_EXPORT_SYMBOL -DNOFILEID > -Wp,-MD,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2= .32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o.de= p > -Wp,-MT,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2= .32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o > -Wp,-MP -o > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/= freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/RuntimeGuestR0/common/alloc/heapsimple.o > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/= VBox/Runtime/common/alloc/heapsimple.cpp > kmk: *** Exiting with status 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions > # > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > > Am 17.05.2020 um 19:36 schrieb Mario Lobo : > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:36 AM Christoph Kukulies > wrote: > > > My requirement is: > > the VB guest is a Windows . I have (large) files in the FreeBSD hosts FS > (my home directory) which I want to make accessible in the Windows guests > C: drive ( or other drive letter). > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > > > > Ahhh ... All you need is to install virtualbox-guestadditions in your > windows guest. > > To do that, you must have the file : > > VBoxGuestAdditions_5.2.34.iso > > which gets pulled when you check > > [x] GUESTADDITIONS Build with Guest Additions > > in make config when building the virtualbox-ose port. > > Attach the iso to your windows guest and install it. > > After that, whatever folder you share from the host, will be accessible b= y > your windows guest. > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 22:48:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A0D2F73AE for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 22:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RWJk6B8Rz4G3K for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 22:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 15:48:51 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:48:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RWJk6B8Rz4G3K X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.63)[0.630]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.961]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 22:48:56 -0000 On 2020-05-19 11:45, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-05-19 11:32, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 5/19/20 1:23 PM, David Christensen wrote: >>> >>> I have not seen these suggestions yet: >>> >>> 1.  Have you tried connecting the system drive to another port? >>> >>> 2.  Have you tried replacing the SATA cable? >>> >>> 3.  Have you tried replacing the system drive? >> >> >> 1. and 2. are next on my list of things to try. >> >> I did try 3. albeit with the same SATA cable and port - no difference. > > Another: > > 4.  Have you tried installing an HBA and connecting the system drive to > that? > > 5.  Have you tried resetting the CMOS settings to defaults via Setup? > Via the motherboard jumper? Another: 6. Open multiple terminals, say by booting the machine with a live distribution with a graphical desktop or by using another machine with a graphical desktop, opening multiple terminals, and connecting via SSH. In one terminal, issue commands or run programs to exercise the HDD/ SSD -- 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=foo bs=1M count=1k', 'dd if=foo of=/dev/null bs=1M', etc.. In another terminal, watch for kernel error messages -- via dmesg(1) or files in /var/log. (I have more practice doing this on Debian.) David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 22:49:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2B22F6E64 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 22:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RWKP3hVDz4G27 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 22:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JMm8sY057864 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 17:48:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <61bacc26-ef32-092a-b280-5315e648ee66@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:48:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 17:48:08 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JMm8sY057864 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, timed out) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RWKP3hVDz4G27 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.48)[-0.479]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.304]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 22:49:30 -0000 On 5/19/20 1:45 PM, David Christensen wrote: > Another: > > 4.  Have you tried installing an HBA and connecting the system drive to that? No > > 5.  Have you tried resetting the CMOS settings to defaults via Setup? Via the motherboard jumper? Yep > David -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 19 23:08:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0BB2F77BD for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 23:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RWlf6xbRz4GTD for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 23:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04JN8J4q058244 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 May 2020 18:08:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <40b15687-e203-8f20-76d3-a408820a0763@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:08:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 19 May 2020 18:08:20 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04JN8J4q058244 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.099, required 1, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.80, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RWlf6xbRz4GTD X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.06 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.48)[-0.484]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.280]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 23:08:47 -0000 On 5/19/20 5:48 PM, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-05-19 11:45, David Christensen wrote: >> On 2020-05-19 11:32, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >>> On 5/19/20 1:23 PM, David Christensen wrote: >>>> >>>> I have not seen these suggestions yet: >>>> >>>> 1.  Have you tried connecting the system drive to another port? >>>> >>>> 2.  Have you tried replacing the SATA cable? >>>> >>>> 3.  Have you tried replacing the system drive? >>> >>> >>> 1. and 2. are next on my list of things to try. >>> >>> I did try 3. albeit with the same SATA cable and port - no difference. >> >> Another: >> >> 4.  Have you tried installing an HBA and connecting the system drive to that? >> >> 5.  Have you tried resetting the CMOS settings to defaults via Setup? Via the motherboard jumper? > > Another: > > 6.  Open multiple terminals, say by booting the machine with a live distribution with a graphical desktop or by using another machine with a graphical desktop, opening multiple terminals, and connecting via SSH. In one terminal, issue commands or run programs to exercise the HDD/ SSD -- 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=foo bs=1M count=1k', 'dd if=foo of=/dev/null bs=1M', etc..  In another terminal, watch for kernel error messages -- via dmesg(1) or files in /var/log.   (I have more practice doing this on Debian.) > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > That's fine idea, actually. I have a nice heavyweight compile job I can run in parallel in docker containers and watch to see what error output looks like -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 00:01:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A523F2F94AD for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 00:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com (mail-oi1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RXwm4Jtjz4Q3H for ; 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.60)[-0.603]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 00:01:45 -0000 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:08 AM Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 5:48 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > On 2020-05-19 11:45, David Christensen wrote: > >> On 2020-05-19 11:32, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >>> On 5/19/20 1:23 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I have not seen these suggestions yet: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Have you tried connecting the system drive to another port? > >>>> > >>>> 2. Have you tried replacing the SATA cable? > >>>> > >>>> 3. Have you tried replacing the system drive? > >>> > >>> > >>> 1. and 2. are next on my list of things to try. > >>> > >>> I did try 3. albeit with the same SATA cable and port - no difference. > >> > >> Another: > >> > >> 4. Have you tried installing an HBA and connecting the system drive to > that? > >> > >> 5. Have you tried resetting the CMOS settings to defaults via Setup? > Via the motherboard jumper? > > > > Another: > > > > 6. Open multiple terminals, say by booting the machine with a live > distribution with a graphical desktop or by using another machine with a > graphical desktop, opening multiple terminals, and connecting via SSH. In > one terminal, issue commands or run programs to exercise the HDD/ SSD -- > 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=foo bs=1M count=1k', 'dd if=foo of=/dev/null bs=1M', > etc.. In another terminal, watch for kernel error messages -- via dmesg(1) > or files in /var/log. (I have more practice doing this on Debian.) > > > > > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > That's fine idea, actually. I have a nice heavyweight compile job I can > run in > parallel in docker containers and watch to see what error output looks like > > -- Another idea may be applied if you can find a thermal camera . During computer working loaded heavily , you may inspect mother board , cables , or other related parts , carefully with a thermal camera . If any point on a circuit connection line , or a circuit component , there is (are) significantly hot point(s) , it may be likely that such point(s) is ( are ) causing cracks or loose connection(s) separated to discontinue the current sufficiently long time to cause a boot ( i.e. , reset ) the computer . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 06:26:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64352C8181 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 06:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RjSh5JQnz3W7w for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 06:26:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 23:26:25 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 23:26:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RjSh5JQnz3W7w X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.61)[0.608]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.960]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 06:26:30 -0000 On 2020-05-19 20:47, Ben Brink wrote: > Hi David, > > This sounds like a power supply issue.. where the powersupply has just > enough to run operation within normal range, but any demand sends it > over lowering capacity threshold, subsequently causing a brief power > outage and subsequent reboot. I had it happen to numerous machines over > the years.. was quite a drain on time to figure it out, because I > assumed it was software, and then didn't have the electronics equipment > to check. > > You should be able to rule out a powersupply issue by loading the power > supply with a few extra peripherals. > > Just know that if it is the powersupply, be sure to keep backups of your > work, because the power dips can damage the data on storage. > > Powersupplies are a common failure point due to short capacitor life. > These are the weak points in common consumer electronics. > > best wishes, > Ben I have also seen power supplies that were marginal and/or that had partial failures (one bad rail). Thankfully, the components they were powering did not appear to be permanently damaged once I replaced the power supply. I am not the OP -- I was attempting to give suggestions to the OP that I had not seen posted yet. The OP stated that he had installed a new power supply, and Arthur Chance has already mentioned the power supply. Without information about the loads, the original power supply, and the new power supply, we cannot verify the OP's choice. I can only assume that the OP selected a "correct" part for his application. Of course, the OP could do more testing with yet another power supply as a double-check. A 500+ Watt ATX2 power supply should be adequate overkill for a desktop box with a motherboard, an optical drive, and one or two HDD's. Without full engineering information and (expensive) test equipment, our efforts are limited to "monkey see, monkey do". We throw ideas at the OP, he tries what he wants, and perhaps he'll get lucky. Understand that this is an obsolete low-end consumer-grade Dell product, albeit with big CPU and memory options. It was designed for casual Windows Home users, not Linux/ FreeBSD madmen like us who want to flog it like a workstation and server. ;-) Perhaps it is time to cannibalize the good parts and junk the rest -- FCLGA1150 motherboards are still available new, and some are made with high-spec parts (for gamers). But, a new motherboard may require a new case, as I believe Dell uses the uncommon BTX motherboard form factor. Alternatively, Inspiron 3847 motherboards start at $40 on eBay. That said, given the shrinking margin of memory and storage sizes vs. bit error rates, and the increasing risk of bit rot, I now put my money into computers with ECC memory. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 09:38:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5092CBE32 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 09:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Rnk26DzSz3yfh for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 09:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7701126A46 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:38:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985AFD8DFA for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:03:08 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> <20200513201932.8dd2cc135c50d54dc8daff0c@sohara.org> <20200515071622.ff5bfebae44c174ee2cc2e8b@sohara.org> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:03:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200515071622.ff5bfebae44c174ee2cc2e8b@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Rnk26DzSz3yfh X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.51 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.65)[0.650]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.961]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.13.200.26:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:38:20 -0000 Here is the strange part. I've exported SOURCEDIR via /etc/profile and it is set. However, mergemaster does not recognize it. Then I export the same variable again on the command line and it works: # echo $SOURCEDIR /clutter/src # # # mergemaster -Ui *** /usr/src was not found. Found Makefile.inc1 in the current directory. Would you like to set SOURCEDIR to /clutter/src? [no and exit] **** No suitable /usr/src found, exiting # SOURCEDIR="/clutter/src" # export SOURCEDIR # mergemaster -Ui *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot This is currently a little beyond my understanding? Am 15.05.20 um 08:16 schrieb Steve O'Hara-Smith: > On Fri, 15 May 2020 07:47:16 +0200 > Ede Wolf wrote: > >> Basically you are right. For makebuild[world|kernel] that is correct, it >> is just that setting SOURCEDIR saves a question during mergemaster: >> >> # mergemaster -Ui >> >> *** /usr/src was not found. >> Found Makefile.inc1 in the current directory. >> Would you like to set SOURCEDIR to /clutter/src? [no and exit] > > Ah it's an environment variable used by mergemaster, you learn > something every day :) > >> But if one decides to define it, it has to be in the shell environment >> (export SOURCEDIR...), as src-env.conf or make.conf do not seem to work, >> unless I've missed something. > > That makes sense it isn't being picked up by make. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 09:52:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B32F2CC0BE for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 09:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Rp1t3R81z40Nb for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 09:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4757E25511 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:52:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F3FD9072 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:52:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ede Wolf X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:52:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Rp1t3R81z40Nb X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.44 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.65)[0.653]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.89)[0.890]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.13.200.26:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:52:03 -0000 > That makes sense it isn't being picked up by make. Sure, once you think about it. But here is the strange part. I've exported SOURCEDIR via /etc/profile and it is set. However, mergemaster does not recognize it. Then I export the same variable again on the command line and it works: # echo $SOURCEDIR /clutter/src # # # mergemaster -Ui *** /usr/src was not found. Found Makefile.inc1 in the current directory. Would you like to set SOURCEDIR to /clutter/src? [no and exit] **** No suitable /usr/src found, exiting # SOURCEDIR="/clutter/src" # export SOURCEDIR # mergemaster -Ui *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot This is currently a little beyond my understanding? Am 15.05.20 um 08:16 schrieb Steve O'Hara-Smith: > On Fri, 15 May 2020 07:47:16 +0200 > Ede Wolf wrote: > >> Basically you are right. For makebuild[world|kernel] that is correct, it >> is just that setting SOURCEDIR saves a question during mergemaster: >> >> # mergemaster -Ui >> >> *** /usr/src was not found. >> Found Makefile.inc1 in the current directory. >> Would you like to set SOURCEDIR to /clutter/src? [no and exit] > > Ah it's an environment variable used by mergemaster, you learn > something every day :) > >> But if one decides to define it, it has to be in the shell environment >> (export SOURCEDIR...), as src-env.conf or make.conf do not seem to work, >> unless I've missed something. > > That makes sense it isn't being picked up by make. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 10:08:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78CF2CC9F3 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100067dc06c.c8f1733e80f90e1c2650ce73bbec729c@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RpP726D9z41Jg for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100067dc06c.c8f1733e80f90e1c2650ce73bbec729c@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1589969323; x=1592561323; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=bnYpuWLO6Ln/RKrzgxvJgonJLBjqWewHbKDqaqOKVI4=; b=c7RdJGND528gBVdUcDSBXJUH78L6MTSDnjE/VELXkHCdka1wTdx7tRFNaJ+x1zI7EJrgJJBEyIZ3OxPJO0dEiOvXcdMQtKLzZ2eQCn/9Xc5vHvwccGe3b5td+IVpDG9i7sqPi9s4CuQsnoQxc2VYcAUenE3fYMpDOCKIIIKukOc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDY3ZGMwNmMuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP; Wed, 20 May 2020 06:08:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 20 May 2020 06:08:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jbLeL-000O4w-6d; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:08:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:08:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Message-Id: <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RpP726D9z41Jg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=c7RdJGND; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100067dc06c.c8f1733e80f90e1c2650ce73bbec729c@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100067dc06c.c8f1733e80f90e1c2650ce73bbec729c@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.001]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.738]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100067dc06c.c8f1733e80f90e1c2650ce73bbec729c@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100067dc06c.c8f1733e80f90e1c2650ce73bbec729c@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:08:44 -0000 On Wed, 20 May 2020 11:52:00 +0200 Ede Wolf wrote: > > That makes sense it isn't being picked up by make. > > Sure, once you think about it. > > But here is the strange part. I've exported SOURCEDIR via /etc/profile Which means that it will be picked up by /bin/sh. > and it is set. However, mergemaster does not recognize it. > Then I export the same variable again on the command line and it works: By default root login uses /bin/csh which doesn't load /etc/profile but rather /etc/csh.cshrc and /etc/csh.login. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 10:11:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9492F2CCDAB for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49RpST2nDtz41NP for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E359F10276A for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:11:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oaumoXV_bBap for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:11:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 797D2102769 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:11:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C4D60293-FABE-4417-BDB9-76408C252CBC"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: smartd logs unreadable (pending) sectors Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:54:12 +0200 To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RpST2nDtz41NP X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.37 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.57)[0.566]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.408]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.253.223:received] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:11:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C4D60293-FABE-4417-BDB9-76408C252CBC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m getting all of a sudden: May 20 10:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently = unreadable (pending) sectors May 20 10:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline = uncorrectable sectors May 20 11:08:21 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently = unreadable (pending) sectors May 20 11:08:21 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline = uncorrectable sectors May 20 11:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently = unreadable (pending) sectors May 20 11:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline = uncorrectable sectors $ dmesg | grep ada1 ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device ada1: Serial Number WD-WMAV50596027 ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) $=20 Do I have to be concerned? 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, List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:22:05 -0000 On Wed, 20 May 2020 11:08:33 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 2020 11:52:00 +0200 > Ede Wolf wrote: > > > > That makes sense it isn't being picked up by make. > > > > Sure, once you think about it. > > > > But here is the strange part. I've exported SOURCEDIR via /etc/profile > > Which means that it will be picked up by /bin/sh. If invoked as a login shell; "man sh" says: Invocation If no arguments are present and if the standard input of the shell is connected to a terminal (or if the -i option is set), the shell is considered an interactive shell. An interactive shell generally prompts before each command and handles programming and command errors differently (as described below). When first starting, the shell inspects argument 0, and if it begins with a dash (-), the shell is also considered a login shell. This is normally done automatically by the system when the user first logs in. A login shell first reads commands from the files /etc/profile and then .profile in a user's home directory, if they exist. If the environment variable ENV is set on entry to a shell, or is set in the .profile of a login shell, the shell then subjects its value to parameter expansion and arithmetic expansion and reads commands from the named file. Therefore, a user should place commands that are to be executed only at login time in the .profile file, and commands that are executed for every shell inside the ENV file. The user can set the ENV variable to some file by placing the following line in the file .profile in the home directory, substituting for .shrc the filename desired: ENV=$HOME/.shrc; export ENV Maybe it helps setting SOURCEDIR in /root/.shrc, assuming that root will execute the commands (and uses sh for that). > > and it is set. However, mergemaster does not recognize it. > > Then I export the same variable again on the command line and it works: > > By default root login uses /bin/csh which doesn't load /etc/profile > but rather /etc/csh.cshrc and /etc/csh.login. That was my suspicion too, but in case it was a C shell, the commands for re-setting and re-exporting SOURCEDIR would have failed, as csh requires a different syntax. So it seems that it's really sh. :-) However, the presented behaviour is quite strange. It has been shown (!) that $SOURCEDIR is somehow set, but mergemaster requires it to be set again? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 11:17:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843E82CE23C for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RqwF2J7Sz4541 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C0D322564A for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ADED90F9 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:17:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RqwF2J7Sz4541 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.45 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.57)[0.570]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.978]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.13.200.26:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:17:18 -0000 My bad. Very sorry. I totally forgot to mention, that root has changed it's login shell to /bin/sh. I do not use csh at all. So /etc/profile is being read and the SOURCEDIR is a valid environmental variable, as can be seen from the first echo $SOURCEDIR. It somehow does just not get handed down to mergemaster - unless exported again on the command line. I'll have a more in depth read through the explanation of Polytropon and sh(1) and certainly will give that a go. Very likely mergemaster calls it's own /bin/sh and that would then require the .shrc. Even though I still maintain, an export in [.]profile should be handed down to every subshell, unless overwritten. But I'm afraid, stubborness does not get me any further, unfortunately. Tanks again, I'll report back. > > By default root login uses /bin/csh which doesn't load /etc/profile > but rather /etc/csh.cshrc and /etc/csh.login. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 11:31:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B9C2CE473 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x743.google.com (mail-qk1-x743.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::743]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RrD44M9Qz45nl for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x743.google.com with SMTP id s1so3094170qkf.9 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 04:31:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=KtZMZOCuEUatzrPwgRSi2YkLqe9DQT7trXgkTLYijPg=; b=D3fHx78YAo2JqxrMA8zLjTj1fmgDy3Lik7G0Ek/NS4mvyYRjhLF8tdmY3QqFq12jLF A30pr7Zrq5Cn27rJNAIgZtbFBpkjpqIziJoXO9b8J7spfgTsgfZaRxwoFrydfNlmZoCH MJvve0SYCKr2s9qJ2/CeZyWRVeCF82hB3cEvU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=KtZMZOCuEUatzrPwgRSi2YkLqe9DQT7trXgkTLYijPg=; b=htKjHfEO8xxaupQjA2c7Y/gHb0+7O+PSamHe5THliUyjMEttKgEN9SQ79SQind9+uG f0FxjL8T6dNhV5PtzWhue+uoewrBfhVZN9xo/IIZpGT5QrdUehqQQH/lCWevomgWqKvQ U5fJ9QcRjmI/oLEGu+5RZqbN8U6qQmnFS7xjwOo/AYrfNe9w1Oua1WX1F4nzvmFCJEHr DDjUGjfagMdFqYdtMDm9ool9Zrb9AbVv4bt4I6cluHcdjnEJN6Rr0dmZWgJN62wKz8yd 7DY/FmUa7X+6HWu3S2hb7RHaMBPrEpCZZ5wcP9KfK5579ELai+AwDKud9a7eZMHmqPYI c3wA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532DTKhdfajtwPl0dP1HWz+P8uAEO2AHt0JF010j6yVLVUEQm5N5 YGRvvIvMQvmL1go/ktP/sX+EnSut8QU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxM/cA0Qgkr0unsa0AVfGTHnwoqrpIXGdhthYhAYojvdAXdv+2bGHIBIZ0eiPHPQCy5s9V3TQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:a93:: with SMTP id v19mr4112907qkg.416.1589974259303; Wed, 20 May 2020 04:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w9sm2038582qtn.29.2020.05.20.04.30.58 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 20 May 2020 04:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49RrD13d5zzYkk for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 07:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 07:30:48 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smartd logs unreadable (pending) sectors Message-ID: <20200520073048.000042a8@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/xIhMX_4ZgQVi5TFYLSWW1FI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RrD44M9Qz45nl X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=D3fHx78Y; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::743 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.99 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.225.250:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.42)[-0.425]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.02)[0.016]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::743:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:31:01 -0000 --Sig_/xIhMX_4ZgQVi5TFYLSWW1FI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 20 May 2020 11:54:12 +0200, Christoph Kukulies commented: >I=E2=80=99m getting all of a sudden: > >May 20 10:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently >unreadable (pending) sectors May 20 10:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: >Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors May 20 11:08:21 >pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) >sectors May 20 11:08:21 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 >Offline uncorrectable sectors May 20 11:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: >Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors May 20 >11:38:20 pc235 smartd[790]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline uncorrectable >sectors > > >$ dmesg | grep ada1 >ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 >ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device >ada1: Serial Number WD-WMAV50596027 >ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) >ada1: Command Queueing enabled >ada1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) >$=20 > >Do I have to be concerned? Kick out the drive? > >=E2=80=94 >Christoph I have had problems like that with Seagate drives tool. After posting on the manufacturers forum, I was informed it is mostly just useless information. In any case, I used the Seagate manufactures' tools to 'fix' the problem. In your case, you have a WD drive. Go to this URL and follow the instructions: https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=3D2 The instructions for creating the bootable USB drive are for a Windows system. You could either use a Windows machine to create the disk, or attempt to do so from your PC. I leave the exercise up to you. Report back. I would be interested in your results. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/xIhMX_4ZgQVi5TFYLSWW1FI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7FFOkACgkQOHMGOIfe xWS5uggAwQvGb/gj3bfSfqIg47coNTlkt0kfKxtAqxVpRWn7j9CFIyJxYhhG0r/H Qgnt+tLCmgNcg6y6Z1G/a3lm2gocg5kVQG+HdxbMqGOUnNow5YhUc8FNLlVlGlbz 6xQ/ijXXnDYRPY+U2fZsKB7h+meGbmRVCB4J9VcTJ11w9xvJNP8U82tQCwflThu/ m23W4jpYOTY3dcl9bm6ViDP/6Zu2Loncd81BC5K6wCzVIOHCxqNNMgXuVkJ4XnUb sOq4MggYbDEPKbkilQs4TD7uzTG4cu/WoTyLByv+OuSA8ah6gI6lWP6WqxqXOhrF vfalMeNxKZuwzD5kQspz2fwItTpELg== =Ygog -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/xIhMX_4ZgQVi5TFYLSWW1FI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 11:32:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14802CEA1E for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RrFH34Drz46GP for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FD5C159F for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2WJ6V60uU4Lq for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 249FAC0A1D for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04KBVx1p091623 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:31:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <0b98639e-e714-412c-950e-7d20be5d1147@hedeland.org> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:31:59 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RrFH34Drz46GP X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.72 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[81.228.157.209:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.12)[0.123]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.79)[0.794]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.68.202.10:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:32:04 -0000 On 2020-05-20 13:17, Ede Wolf wrote: > My bad. Very sorry. I totally forgot to mention, that root has changed it's login shell to /bin/sh. I do not use csh at all. > > So /etc/profile is being read and the SOURCEDIR is a valid environmental variable, as can be seen from the first echo $SOURCEDIR. To be pedantic, 'echo $SOURCEDIR' does *not* show that SOURCEDIR is set in the *environment*, only that it is set in the shell *or* the environment. You might want to double-check with $ env | grep SOURCEDIR > It somehow does just not get handed down to mergemaster - unless exported again on the command line. > > I'll have a more in depth read through the explanation of Polytropon and sh(1) and certainly will give that a go. Very likely mergemaster calls it's own /bin/sh and that would then require the .shrc. > > Even though I still maintain, an export in [.]profile should be handed down to every subshell, unless overwritten. But I'm afraid, stubborness does not get me any further, unfortunately. Leaving the vagaries of different shells and their rc files aside, I'd say that "*a variable set in the environment* should be handed down to every *subprocess*, unless overwritten (or explicitly excluded)". --Per Hedeland From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 11:49:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9732CED75 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RrdG6g3Tz46pg for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8252026AB1 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FB2D910F for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> <0b98639e-e714-412c-950e-7d20be5d1147@hedeland.org> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:49:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0b98639e-e714-412c-950e-7d20be5d1147@hedeland.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RrdG6g3Tz46pg X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.41 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.54)[0.541]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.973]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.13.200.26:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:49:23 -0000 Sometimes, being pedantic helps quite a bit: ... (fresh login) # echo $SOURCEDIR /clutter/src # env | grep SOURCEDIR # # SOURCEDIR="/clutter/src" # export SOURCEDIR # env | grep SOURCEDIR SOURCEDIR=/clutter/src Even if this distinction is currently raising more question than it answers, it at least explains the behaviour. And I know I need to rethink my understanding of shell vs. environment variables (and the corresponding files). Thanks for the heads up, with that in mind I'll reread the comment on sh(1) and .shrc from before and, well, have a talk with my favourite search enginge. Am 20.05.20 um 13:31 schrieb Per Hedeland: > On 2020-05-20 13:17, Ede Wolf wrote: >> My bad. Very sorry. I totally forgot to mention, that root has changed it's login shell to /bin/sh. I do not use csh at all. >> >> So /etc/profile is being read and the SOURCEDIR is a valid environmental variable, as can be seen from the first echo $SOURCEDIR. > > To be pedantic, 'echo $SOURCEDIR' does *not* show that SOURCEDIR is > set in the *environment*, only that it is set in the shell *or* the > environment. You might want to double-check with > > $ env | grep SOURCEDIR > >> It somehow does just not get handed down to mergemaster - unless exported again on the command line. >> >> I'll have a more in depth read through the explanation of Polytropon and sh(1) and certainly will give that a go. Very likely mergemaster calls it's own /bin/sh and that would then require the .shrc. >> >> Even though I still maintain, an export in [.]profile should be handed down to every subshell, unless overwritten. But I'm afraid, stubborness does not get me any further, unfortunately. > > Leaving the vagaries of different shells and their rc files aside, I'd > say that "*a variable set in the environment* should be handed down to > every *subprocess*, unless overwritten (or explicitly excluded)". > > --Per Hedeland > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 11:51:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4144E2CF46A for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RrhB4WBJz472P for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KBpnNW084853 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 May 2020 13:51:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: smartd logs unreadable (pending) sectors To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kuku@kukulies.org References: <20200520073048.000042a8@seibercom.net> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:51:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200520073048.000042a8@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RrhB4WBJz472P X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:51:55 -0000 On 2020-05-20 13:30, Jerry wrote: >> Do I have to be concerned? Yes! > In your case, you have a WD drive. Go to this URL and follow the > instructions: > > https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=2 Or you could downlowad Ultimate Boot CD (which can be written to a CD or USB key): it will include the above. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 12:33:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D428E2D86FD for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Rscb4QjLz49CC for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.22.33]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MBE3k-1jloIc2E8M-00Ch9z; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:33:48 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:33:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Message-Id: <20200520143348.7de38012.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:IDwz+jTqWIxnLKNR3xrArkdMatt7sfcF+I7AzBtixriUlKUTjiV gGFud2RetceC/ZooIi8BbfUlBX4ZCXKnvMMnm1CiO4Mm1rfc1JNPiZ0cuNaUXmR7Dr4ABo5 Ew4CmdGa4BD42eAPaaayCR2+5LHc5/zZkOJp7Q03GVazafCi1IbtUlyyXfhfoROc7ysGRfq sJRA2iYqpXGaJLK7kkT8g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:5E0RUBNtL24=:fTJz/cCs4Y6IxGiGyaV2Q1 lVkV7aSqKe+CjAWmP2OsaAkdlycxE0ky1XR+nzNtN+R+pzsBuY5B9CSBBi9NqdZrVIXgNRmk/ a+tfB7rOz5HUQDcTW8jDA3iRnE7mhwB1XkPILr6oK2DEj7B6Euhv2ujpREmwwdS9rs2wQJxnB 2VLrDuF0cPQB//6oM0G9e77koUQFQ+lfo7oVjjT9jPumggW42YQJiT249rIyaWluN21tCSxqs xyJRdM+gO1hYGrUwq6ASLfWtEJ8wcd82SZ8pvWF/k6+2eJvxtrIVLavupToIKkuhyop2wUvzA Zsdqzh7znkkbqEuUgzRD9wKLKtBNpBTOLBrEHz96xf0G5pvUvg2aT8AVO/+LEoPxbO5diQz+1 FKWkjAE3y92fs4JU217dRolIFVd/jjGMl9jq8VAnN72wiruB24U3T2gQ0sHL/t1rDMRFOJVJ/ 0Vz5ojkJfOhd86DjGH5Sh+iPjzo5VSEmY6BFRM4qAeWAff0CtsyBwKVAwMAIBAdSf9m0+Orvp xmEEafMrE/9k0H7RuDB1oMEuN0Ao71DTrBd5yhOalwJLcvxaWLgG8rOqi3znKev1Yx1RWX5zB 7xHKZQ9va35I1JcnB9H3TDy8PfSNoEmcLbYfqH1RrBsKGnvY7zG3JhfAZXQdpi/7MDdI2Tx4Z guTHtkpRewrLMxkp2RmLiF5rB3TDLp9Ss8tsheEJpJBduUUNm08yHPZ0a/rgl0o9jhHGiNj8/ KR4WE/UMDvrPoYbHsxX5ASXnPaN0iMdFyH/lFFHslNXN2TWWYbzJgl8YDpYUerbuBKKMU5nnM r3233DFaHQ0RbuYQDFterUt5bYMUAg4uERek2mEgHxpBsKyjhvBkn/RuAVYCuXOvLfDqC/D X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Rscb4QjLz49CC X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.06 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.22.33:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.35)[0.351]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.308]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:33:52 -0000 On Wed, 20 May 2020 13:17:14 +0200, Ede Wolf wrote: > I'll have a more in depth read through the explanation of Polytropon and > sh(1) and certainly will give that a go. Very likely mergemaster calls > it's own /bin/sh and that would then require the .shrc. > > Even though I still maintain, an export in [.]profile should be handed > down to every subshell, unless overwritten. Exactly. And even if you take into mind that mergemaster is a sh script, it's strange that on first invocation - $SOURCEDIR has been set during shell initialization - it doesn't work, but on second invocation - $SOURCEDIR has been set manually to the value it already had - it works as expected. It's probably hard to explain why this could be considered expected behaviour... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 12:45:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568BD2D88E8 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RstY2jHmz49wt for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.22.33]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MQ5f4-1jOH6h1FTM-00M5pr; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:45:55 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:45:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Message-Id: <20200520144555.2e935417.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> <0b98639e-e714-412c-950e-7d20be5d1147@hedeland.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:uh4U4Nws6Iy5Al/kdDHBH+m1fj8x3tAJB8hoVmP0F0U5fbIMOIT Mk4SaLCvRBD6xO7OZcvS0G+XfikKYT6gwoJpnjNDMBABk0ipPSVzA1sDxfVAFq0e/rw/kXQ DFjDyp81jTIrGKunKFq6zLRvBNqRQRSVJ48h9n4khvqEx3mUZUqK2yhyKKDUlnnMK6loLgw yZj1/6r/zdAyToXgvV+8Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Xly+MqJKORc=:7oUpYJOrrRrPnx+HAANQUR MX+xuQZfatjNiwbZMFJSffwrhC7m69mMIxQgrc4q3fude/y9w4BgFqcnVXrjM5Mti6311EzVo dxYUu6m+HkqfHGQx/RlF1HH2RruFDmuuXdd3MXbXWWrXcrHeUbNSeC8YYgmE0O9yh7QIshRbr ya6rA2AetgHeyZOXOKvyuLFK96F/F00sF1u2ze0TtK3zIU5iMFXs7N/YZyq4KHfGIQx1Zb4sO 2+UErSvRk8eCgVtYFVXxev/hapqoh3UO3S5aq/GltmEdnXTRYMowV3Tye+eMejpuK5m0+8gLT 3EeIUtBbDpiY/tQktXCJtoBc8k4MEoOphIIhq+HrgSjJMqYTuohOD+5rQlwT0buSw4WYgRWwA /ITIb+kEEJUH6rKdJImD/WUxSuHEP76yX+hc6YWwp4+u/EjZDoMkJwBx1I6PWXdW3Z9QljzM2 Zze6EyKYch8cl2tfpx8sJ3yZ4YfMOjsZnABA8ubhbFRPjE8jakuNr+wI+092tcIun3/8/m75i DevxUeCP1u+UH4ZLmc98PkLcFd9JJ79Fmi32Nl6/jX2T0jpehNsdlr03EqL5VAPL/DGxAzmQM JKNfxABO/IEFWyXXMUBFKQnTZoiE7ILHFlarv1/dO/gaGj0s4qqR72HWqOabtJxlaIOJpANRs +m5IvIFRfFQEDp79wc3TH73x37R9c7I2qrbZmJgdWN6udvh76a5mlsmxc+Ly9HkqnKcPA0MQY Xtwfoi77Or4SohIjnofHEu+k9LBpZ0azwIH3sRv7r/TlKjZnK/n03driLEYTsERoUc5Dp99rQ M6NBwUUraJ5xwMRh/acWR4RWkDZKscNCpQWtLrQuX7IBfEjpxjkfUtxB3Zqy6DZw8t+LJJb X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RstY2jHmz49wt X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.06 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.22.33:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.35)[0.351]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.312]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:45:58 -0000 On Wed, 20 May 2020 13:49:19 +0200, Ede Wolf wrote: > Sometimes, being pedantic helps quite a bit: > > ... (fresh login) > # echo $SOURCEDIR > /clutter/src > # env | grep SOURCEDIR > # > # SOURCEDIR="/clutter/src" > # export SOURCEDIR > # env | grep SOURCEDIR > SOURCEDIR=/clutter/src > > Even if this distinction is currently raising more question than it > answers, it at least explains the behaviour. It does. My assumption (and therefore not thinking about this possibility) was that you had set and exported (!) the variable to the environment. The common forms FOO="bar" export FOO and export FOO="bar" are the forms typically found when you want to modify tne environment, and _that_ is what's being passed from one instance of the shell to the next instance (subshell). Regular variables do not get passed that way: $ FOO=bar $ echo $FOO bar $ sh $ echo $FOO $ _ If you use "export" here, you can easily see the difference: $ FOO=bar $ echo $FOO bar $ export FOO $ sh $ echo $FOO bar $ _ The mentioned form $ export FOO=bar would lead to the same effect. Checking with "env" is a good idea if you want to explicitely (!) confirm that a certain variable is set in the environment, not just as a mere shell variable. This doesn't just apply to shell scripts invoked by shell scripts, but also to program that query *envp[], the (optional) third parameter of the standard main() function. > And I know I need to rethink my understanding of shell vs. environment > variables (and the corresponding files). The files can set shell variables and environmental variables. The case for _which_ kind of shell this applies (login shell, interactive shell, scripting shell) depends on the file name, as explained in "man sh", section "Invocation". > Thanks for the heads up, with that in mind I'll reread the comment on > sh(1) and .shrc from before and, well, have a talk with my favourite > search enginge. It's a search engine, not a listening engine. ;-) However, it is not a bad idea to visit fundamental knowledge and shell basics from time to time. It makes life easier, especially for those corner cases where you expect a certain behaviour, but it strangely does not happen. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 12:56:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE41F2D9886 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from lime.woodcruft.co.uk (woodcruft.co.uk [81.187.27.248]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Rt722xxqz4BBm for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 12:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5C0A773CEF; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:56:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:56:39 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem Message-ID: <20200520125639.GA64538@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Ring-Status: 'Complete' X-Organisation: 'Woodcruft Ltd.' X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Rt722xxqz4BBm X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank@woodcruft.co.uk designates 81.187.27.248 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank@woodcruft.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.07 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frank@woodcruft.co.uk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[woodcruft.co.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.42)[-0.418]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.351]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:56:47 -0000 On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 11:26:24PM , David Christensen wrote: > > > I have also seen power supplies that were marginal and/or that had > partial failures (one bad rail). Thankfully, the components they were > powering did not appear to be permanently damaged once I replaced the > power supply. > > > I am not the OP -- I was attempting to give suggestions to the OP that I > had not seen posted yet. The OP stated that he had installed a new > power supply, and Arthur Chance has already mentioned the power supply. > Without information about the loads, the original power supply, and the > new power supply, we cannot verify the OP's choice. I can only assume > that the OP selected a "correct" part for his application. > > > Of course, the OP could do more testing with yet another power supply as > a double-check. A 500+ Watt ATX2 power supply should be adequate > overkill for a desktop box with a motherboard, an optical drive, and one > or two HDD's. > > > Without full engineering information and (expensive) test equipment, our > efforts are limited to "monkey see, monkey do". We throw ideas at the > OP, he tries what he wants, and perhaps he'll get lucky. > > > Understand that this is an obsolete low-end consumer-grade Dell product, > albeit with big CPU and memory options. It was designed for casual > Windows Home users, not Linux/ FreeBSD madmen like us who want to flog > it like a workstation and server. ;-) > > > Perhaps it is time to cannibalize the good parts and junk the rest -- > FCLGA1150 motherboards are still available new, and some are made with > high-spec parts (for gamers). But, a new motherboard may require a new > case, as I believe Dell uses the uncommon BTX motherboard form factor. > Alternatively, Inspiron 3847 motherboards start at $40 on eBay. > > > That said, given the shrinking margin of memory and storage sizes vs. > bit error rates, and the increasing risk of bit rot, I now put my money > into computers with ECC memory. > > > David I'm in agreement with David on this one. It's a Dell, dude... What one has to remember is that we are technical people and are thus prone to behaving like a dog with a bone when we come across a technical problem, more often than not much to our own detriment. Of course, we all know about our 'sunk cost' cognitive bias but it's still very hard not to be a victim to it. So we end up expending time, money and energy chasing problems like this down which means that we then don't have the money to buy decent hardware; recurse. Tim, for the sake of your sanity as much as anything, spend some money! If you haven't got any money then do the usual: sell kids into slavery, wife into prostitution etc. If you haven't got a wife or kids then steal your neighbours. Regards, -- Frank --* The Machine stops. *-- \verb# infinity # ----------------> $ \infty $ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 13:13:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045502D9E2E for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RtVb0knfz4C3n for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9B77A26859 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 15:13:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3A5D9136 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 15:13:40 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8d48921e-7af1-9313-0781-4ba4bd9c1f10@nebelschwaden.de> <20200520110833.f47610a48f0f28dd563c13aa@sohara.org> <2c3bd26c-aaa3-9998-e5e5-e3f4f3796ffc@nebelschwaden.de> <0b98639e-e714-412c-950e-7d20be5d1147@hedeland.org> <20200520144555.2e935417.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <690ef022-1afe-645a-aec9-30f9d84561f6@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 15:13:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200520144555.2e935417.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RtVb0knfz4C3n X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.42 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.54)[0.539]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.979]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.13.200.26:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:13:44 -0000 Hi all, Mea culpa. I think I have found my mistake. In /etc/profile I forgot to actually export the variable. It was just defined, even though I would have sworn to death, I've done this. Polytropons post made me recheck, however. So exporting the variable in /etc/profile as it should have been done in the first place makes at least "env | grep SOURCEDIR" work and also explaines, why it did not get handed down to mergemaster. Makes perfectly sense even with my old view of variables and environment. Rebuilding world now, will take a good day, but I am confident, it will now work as expected. Thanks all for your time an in depth explanations and sorry for the noise on this one. Should have checked before, but I was absolutely shure I had done the export, because I always do. Well... Nietzsche holds true again: "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." Am 20.05.20 um 14:45 schrieb Polytropon: > On Wed, 20 May 2020 13:49:19 +0200, Ede Wolf wrote: >> Sometimes, being pedantic helps quite a bit: >> >> ... (fresh login) >> # echo $SOURCEDIR >> /clutter/src >> # env | grep SOURCEDIR >> # >> # SOURCEDIR="/clutter/src" >> # export SOURCEDIR >> # env | grep SOURCEDIR >> SOURCEDIR=/clutter/src >> >> Even if this distinction is currently raising more question than it >> answers, it at least explains the behaviour. > > It does. My assumption (and therefore not thinking about this > possibility) was that you had set and exported (!) the variable > to the environment. The common forms > > FOO="bar" > export FOO > > and > > export FOO="bar" > > are the forms typically found when you want to modify tne > environment, and _that_ is what's being passed from one instance > of the shell to the next instance (subshell). Regular variables > do not get passed that way: > > $ FOO=bar > $ echo $FOO > bar > $ sh > $ echo $FOO > > $ _ > > If you use "export" here, you can easily see the difference: > > $ FOO=bar > $ echo $FOO > bar > $ export FOO > $ sh > $ echo $FOO > bar > $ _ > > The mentioned form > > $ export FOO=bar > > would lead to the same effect. Checking with "env" is a good > idea if you want to explicitely (!) confirm that a certain > variable is set in the environment, not just as a mere shell > variable. > > This doesn't just apply to shell scripts invoked by shell scripts, > but also to program that query *envp[], the (optional) third > parameter of the standard main() function. > > > >> And I know I need to rethink my understanding of shell vs. environment >> variables (and the corresponding files). > > The files can set shell variables and environmental variables. > The case for _which_ kind of shell this applies (login shell, > interactive shell, scripting shell) depends on the file name, > as explained in "man sh", section "Invocation". > > > >> Thanks for the heads up, with that in mind I'll reread the comment on >> sh(1) and .shrc from before and, well, have a talk with my favourite >> search enginge. > > It's a search engine, not a listening engine. ;-) > > However, it is not a bad idea to visit fundamental knowledge > and shell basics from time to time. It makes life easier, > especially for those corner cases where you expect a certain > behaviour, but it strangely does not happen. > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 13:50:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8D82DA7B3 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RvKH4dh5z4F1f for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KDnJch003425 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); 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RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.81)[-0.814]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.59)[-0.590]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.17)[0.168]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:50:44 -0000 On 5/20/20 7:56 AM, Frank Shute wrote: > Tim, for the sake of your sanity as much as anything, spend some money! I actually have a new PS ready to go. I've just been incrementally eliminating other possibilities. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 14:35:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8151D2DB81B for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@chthonixia.net) Received: from mail1.g14.pair.com (mail1.g14.pair.com [66.39.4.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RwK95X6Rz4HFD for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@chthonixia.net) Received: from mail1.g14.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g14.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E070223D76 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghostyhead.chthonixia.net (cpe-108-176-147-163.nyc.res.rr.com [108.176.147.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g14.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DA1B223D3D for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:35:37 -0400 From: "Joe A." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem Message-ID: <20200520143537.GA69534@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> <20200520125639.GA64538@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> <2c5dbc8b-c22b-8360-54e8-996db569424d@tundraware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2c5dbc8b-c22b-8360-54e8-996db569424d@tundraware.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RwK95X6Rz4HFD X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@chthonixia.net has no SPF policy when checking 66.39.4.16) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@chthonixia.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.30)[0.297]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[chthonixia.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.83)[0.828]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.679]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:66.39.0.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.39.4.16:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:35:42 -0000 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 08:49:14AM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > I actually have a new PS ready to go. I've just been incrementally > eliminating other possibilities. As long as you have everything disassembled, perhaps you may wish to consider replacing the thermal paste between the CPU and its fan assembly? Regards, Joe From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 14:53:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92FF2DC177 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Rwk45Tt7z4JKw for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KEqOuI004440 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 May 2020 09:52:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: "Joe A." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> <20200520125639.GA64538@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> <2c5dbc8b-c22b-8360-54e8-996db569424d@tundraware.com> <20200520143537.GA69534@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> From: Tim Daneliuk Autocrypt: addr=tundra@tundraware.com; 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I've just been incrementally >> eliminating other possibilities. > > As long as you have everything disassembled, perhaps you may wish to > consider replacing the thermal paste between the CPU and its fan assembly? Possibly, but I've been monitoring temps as I stressed the machine and they were unremarkable. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 15:51:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6222C2DD263 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 15:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ry0m0fKWz4MqS for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 15:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KFoEku005473 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; 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RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.47)[0.469]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.181]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.15)[0.145]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 15:51:37 -0000 On 5/19/20 8:46 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G > of memory. Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux. It needed a new power > supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange > problem. > > The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason - > reboot randomly. The former owner reports that this was also happening > when they last had it running Win8. All signs point to an inadequate power supply. When I initially got the machine, I had to replace the onboard supply because the fan bearings on it were bad and loud. The former owner reported that the machine had - in fact - been experiencing random reboots of late. I replaced the old supply with a "good" used 500W ATX supply and the reboot problem was still noted as above. This morning, I pulled the used supply and put the only new PS I have in stock - at 350W ATX unit - and tried to recreate the problem I'd been able to force consistently before during Linux install. Voila! It worked. Now I need to monitor this thing for the next day or so to ensure that the problem is - indeed gone. Interesting that a new 350W supply does the trick when an apparently working 500W didn't. As someone pointed out, this could well be old electrolytics not holding the rail voltage well under stress. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 16:07:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9202DD886 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49RyMJ385Bz4P4y for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.142.165]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 470DB4E676 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 11:07:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:07:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RyMJ385Bz4P4y X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.03 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.142.165:received]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.142.165:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.89)[0.891]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.217]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.817]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:07:41 -0000 On 5/20/20 10:50 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/20 8:46 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> I was recently given a Dell Inspiron 3847 which has an i7-4790 and 16G >> of memory. Perfect for multibooting BSD and Linux. It needed a new power >> supply but now that this is installed, it's exhibiting a very strange >> problem. >> >> The machine will work for hours flawless and then - for no apparent reason - >> reboot randomly. The former owner reports that this was also happening >> when they last had it running Win8. > All signs point to an inadequate power supply. > > When I initially got the machine, I had to replace the onboard > supply because the fan bearings on it were bad and loud. The former > owner reported that the machine had - in fact - been experiencing > random reboots of late. > > I replaced the old supply with a "good" used 500W ATX supply and > the reboot problem was still noted as above. > > This morning, I pulled the used supply and put the only new PS I have > in stock - at 350W ATX unit - and tried to recreate the problem I'd > been able to force consistently before during Linux install. Voila! > It worked. > > Now I need to monitor this thing for the next day or so to ensure that > the problem is - indeed gone. > > Interesting that a new 350W supply does the trick when an apparently working > 500W didn't. As someone pointed out, this could well be old electrolytics > not holding the rail voltage well under stress. > Yes, it was I who mentioned electrolytic capacitors. And that goes about both PS and system board (the last mostly the ones situated around CPU). The trouble is: not filtering well enough ripple on the power leads of buses. Second problem (electronically related) would be: older components, mostly hard drives, start consume more power with age, i.e. higher current, thus increasing the level of ripple as ripple is mostly the voltage change after capacitor gives out some charge Dell is known to build workstations without much reserve on PS capacity (I have a feeling I told this already on this thread). Which means, older Dell workstations are more likely to be pushed to the "just marginally not powerful enough" power supply. Especially as parts inside PS age as well. And capacitors are more likely to leak electrolyte thus loosing capacitance if they are overheated. Instability with age will be more likely in machines with large number of mechanical hard drives, so storage servers build with PS of just right power are more likely to become "unstable". Bottom line: measure what your machine consumes, and give it PS twice as powerful as its maximum consumption under stress load. I'm happy you solved it! Valeri > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 17:09:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B653F2DEA7E for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Rzkn6Jvgz4SRk for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:09:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D5828604 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:09:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PcUCUpzzfWaH for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 57BB5285F9 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:09:34 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:09:34 -0400 Subject: FreeBSD as an Active Directory Domain Controller From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Rzkn6Jvgz4SRk X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.25 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.528]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.028]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 17:09:38 -0000 I have a AD-DC running Samba43 on FreeBSD-10.3 in a Bhyve vm. I wish to move it off of that platform and onto a Samba410 or 411 in an iocage jail running on FreeBSD-12.1. I can create and provision a DC inside the jail. I can have a samba410 instance in the jail join the domain as a DC. What I cannot seem to have happen is to replicate the existing DC onto the new DC. I have discovered that this also seems to be the case for the original DC on a UFS based bhyve jail. I cannot replicate between two FreeBSD-10.3 UFS vms either. By replication I mean the ability to transfer the sysvol, USERS, and PROFILES directory trees between systems and maintain the windows acls already in place. What I would like to find out is whether it is at all possible to have a samba-4.10 (or 4.11) based AD on FreeBSD using ZFS with multiple DCs and replication. Is someone has this working I would appreciate being told how it is done. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 17:16:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9552DF134 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RztL49xFz4StM for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KHG5Zo010316 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 19:16:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an Active Directory Domain Controller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <0318bf67-5f60-e420-61ff-ea90a0669454@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 19:16:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RztL49xFz4StM X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.91 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.28)[-0.282]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.51)[0.512]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.34)[-0.345]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 17:16:11 -0000 On 2020-05-20 19:09, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > What I would like to find out is whether it is at all possible to have a > samba-4.10 (or 4.11) based AD on FreeBSD using ZFS with multiple DCs and > replication. Is someone has this working I would appreciate being told how it > is done. Hi James. Sounds like the same question you asked ten days ago, which I already answered briefly (I use rsync). Perhaps you could tell what you tried, how you did it and how it is going wrong? bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 17:42:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C832DFEA8 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49S0SC3JMjz4Vbp for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KHfYqd007553 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 May 2020 12:41:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <2a2afa7a-cbb9-4664-3b6b-4c955565e947@tundraware.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:41:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Wed, 20 May 2020 12:41:35 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04KHfYqd007553 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.104, required 1, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.80, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49S0SC3JMjz4Vbp X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.82)[-0.818]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.59)[-0.595]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.223]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 17:42:04 -0000 On 5/20/20 11:07 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Yes, it was I who mentioned electrolytic capacitors. Yeah, I am painfully aware of these issues, having started my career as an analog circuit designer :) What made this one so weird is that the PS that isn't working on the Dell, worked just fine on another machine that had _more_ drives in it and an old power hungry AMD chip in it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 18:02:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5E42F068E for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 18:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49S0wH3fLrz4XVq for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:17c2:4dd:f846:ca97:b1ab:7638] (unknown [172.58.139.189]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5D084E65A; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:02:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> <2a2afa7a-cbb9-4664-3b6b-4c955565e947@tundraware.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:02:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2a2afa7a-cbb9-4664-3b6b-4c955565e947@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49S0wH3fLrz4XVq X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.26)[-0.264]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.70)[-0.696]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.666]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.189:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 18:02:56 -0000 On 5/20/20 12:41 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/20/20 11:07 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Yes, it was I who mentioned electrolytic capacitors. > > Yeah, I am painfully aware of these issues, having started my career as > an analog circuit designer :) > > What made this one so weird is that the PS that isn't working on the Dell, > worked just fine on another machine that had _more_ drives in it and an > old power hungry AMD chip in it. > If you mean AMD CPU, then I can tell you that these CPUs opposed to Intel ones are awfully robust. You can literally boil water on AMD CPU, and it will keep running without glitches. I had once to have AC filters replaced in small server room VAC system which only could be done if all AC (air conditioning) is switched off. That took almost two hours during which main servers and number crunchers were left running. The temperature in the room was 96 F (36 C) - like on a beach in Honolulu. Few Intel based boxes got sick (not all if them but significant portion). None of AMD CPU based machines failed, they just kept running. Another factor: older CPUs have higher internal voltages. As you know, internal logics, like ALU, run at much lower voltages than those supplied to CPU. Though these are not directly related to external voltages on CPU pins, still... they quite likely will be more tolerant to higher voltage ripple in case of higher internal voltages. Valeri > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 18:05:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FEA2F0923 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 18:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49S0z64WYYz4XfM for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 18:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04KI5DfT008065 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 May 2020 13:05:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> <2a2afa7a-cbb9-4664-3b6b-4c955565e947@tundraware.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: <72a05905-37d2-dce6-2f59-a5a43e393f5d@tundraware.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:05:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Wed, 20 May 2020 13:05:14 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 04KI5DfT008065 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.105, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 0.80, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49S0z64WYYz4XfM X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.06 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.81)[-0.814]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.59)[-0.594]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.356]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 18:05:24 -0000 On 5/20/20 1:02 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Another factor: older CPUs have higher internal voltages. As you know, internal logics, like ALU, run at much lower voltages than those supplied to CPU. Though these are not directly related to external voltages on CPU pins, still... they quite likely will be more tolerant to higher voltage ripple in case of higher internal voltages. I hadn't thought of that, but this could well explain the issue. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 18:16:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36BA2F0FD4 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 18:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49S1CZ6BzNz4Y5c for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 18:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:17c2:4dd:f846:ca97:b1ab:7638] (unknown [172.58.139.189]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E25D54E65A; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:16:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> <2a2afa7a-cbb9-4664-3b6b-4c955565e947@tundraware.com> <72a05905-37d2-dce6-2f59-a5a43e393f5d@tundraware.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <4e2ba82d-ba77-d028-9650-cfddfb7a29a4@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:16:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72a05905-37d2-dce6-2f59-a5a43e393f5d@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49S1CZ6BzNz4Y5c X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.52 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.26)[-0.264]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.69)[-0.693]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.664]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.189:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 18:16:11 -0000 On 5/20/20 1:05 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/20/20 1:02 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Another factor: older CPUs have higher internal voltages. As you know, internal logics, like ALU, run at much lower voltages than those supplied to CPU. Though these are not directly related to external voltages on CPU pins, still... they quite likely will be more tolerant to higher voltage ripple in case of higher internal voltages. > > I hadn't thought of that, but this could well explain the issue. > Yes, theoretician in me likes to explain issues. Though I grew both as theoretician and experimentalist. Anyway, every time I am trying to bring reason under observed phenomenon, I remember the joke about the difference between theoretician and experimentalist: Experimentalist describes to theoretician his observation, and theoretician immediately explains, that it is simple, this is because ...[and there goes the explanation] Experimentalist then tells, oh, wait a moment I made a mistake in my description, and what I actually observed in a opposite to what I've said. And theoretician immediately replies: Oh, then it is even simpler,... [and gives new explanation]. I'm glad you fixed your equipment. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 19:25:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D210E2F2D89 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 19:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49S2lg58dMz4fV6 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 19:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.142.165]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDEB74E65A; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: "Kevin P. Neal" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <8b13e2f5-6ff4-ecc2-7036-c88cff0f5b6b@tundraware.com> <8732b894-0962-3546-4697-4c2ae0658cb8@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200520182154.GA87305@neutralgood.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <7409ea12-1743-a691-4ec0-49a7534d4231@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:25:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200520182154.GA87305@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49S2lg58dMz4fV6 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.81 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.142.165:received]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.45)[-0.453]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.18)[0.184]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.018]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.142.165:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 19:25:36 -0000 On 5/20/20 1:21 PM, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Yes, it was I who mentioned electrolytic capacitors. And that goes about >> both PS and system board (the last mostly the ones situated around CPU). >> The trouble is: not filtering well enough ripple on the power leads of >> buses. > > Since we're on the subject, will problems with capacitors appear with a > power supply that is boxed up unused? > It is less likely, but not fully excluded. It is safe to consider PS sitting on the shelf for some 7- 10 years as having some 30% smaller power rating. Capacitors (electrolytic) age faster when they are heated, and and do a lot of charge/discharge big swings. That said, whether given electrolytic capacitor will deteriorate a lot, or almost not at all depends much more on its design, and after some period of using really poorly designed capacitors, manufacturers started shying away from them, and production of them diminished, mostly switched to better ones. If you look at the system board ("motherboard" is common jargon for almost 30 years), you will see some capacitors are pre-cut on their top (but not cut through fully), others are not at all, and have smooth flat top. The first ones are the ones that are more likely to leak, and pre-cut top allows to not let build up high pressure, just break the top open at lower internal pressure if electrolyte boils in it. This prevents capacitor from exploding badly - I've seen the result once in ancient tube based radio once. Mess! So, the one's that have smooth flat top would usually be more robust. > I have a five year old machine that I use for working from home. I was > considering collecting parts for it so if I need to fix it quickly I can. > But if those parts are going to go bad on me regardless of use then there's > less incentive to spend money today. > This whole thing is not as awful as it may be, and significantly depends on how unlucky you are with your parts. I too collect old parts, and re-use them for diagnostics or repair. I have seen leaked out capacitors on some video cards, which I disposed of right away. So, visual examination helps. If some capacitors are bulging, or have brown residue (which is leaked dried electrolyte), then they are bad. On occasion I even did a repair by replacing such capacitor (it was only one looking bad on that board) with good one. But that was some generic PCI[-*** whichever] board, probably video card, not system board. I didn't invest time into fixing system board by replacing leaked capacitors, usually they are too old at that point, it is just cheaper to get new machine. I hope, this helps. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 00:06:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507FA2F8758 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 00:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from lime.woodcruft.co.uk (woodcruft.co.uk [81.187.27.248]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49S9092V5wz41fF for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 00:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8075873D6B; Thu, 21 May 2020 01:06:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 01:06:47 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop Message-ID: <20200521000647.GA10349@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200519173839.8e758dc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200519180547.4802dc7f@archlinux> <20200519181851.3bc181a1.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200519181851.3bc181a1.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Ring-Status: 'Complete' X-Organisation: 'Woodcruft Ltd.' X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49S9092V5wz41fF X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank@woodcruft.co.uk designates 81.187.27.248 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank@woodcruft.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frank@woodcruft.co.uk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.80)[-0.801]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[woodcruft.co.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.757]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.24)[-0.243]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 00:06:50 -0000 On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 06:18:51PM , Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:05:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Tue, 19 May 2020 17:38:39 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > >> 3. system noises like you'd expect from a desktop > > > > > >Depends on the desktop environment you use, and how it is > > >configured to entertain, erm annoy the user. I don't expect > > >a desktop to make any noises, unless the head is banged > > >onto it. :-) > > > > The bell, aka as PC speaker beep, could be a useful desktop sound, > > unless the user does run vi. I'm afraid I'm with Polytropon on this one. I don't want any PC making noises at me unless I instruct it to. Which is why I have: # We really don't want a bell ffs! kern.vt.enable_bell=0 in sysctl.conf > > In X, you can even configure what the bell sound should > be (using something like "xset b 100 1000 15"). With xbiff, > it says "You have mail!". And certain MUAs can even define > their own media files for things they want you to hear. > NOW PAY ATTENTION TO ME! YOU HAVE NO NEW MESSAGES!!! :-) Careless talk like that can cost lives, for heaven's sake!! Somebody will have read that and are now programming 'Son of Clippy' to inflict on an unsuspecting public. The horror! The horror! > > > Joking apart, desktop sound is not just an annoyance, it is also a > > serious risk, especially if different sources could access audio output > > at the same time. > > Programs, if configured properly, can deal with that. For > example mplayer can have its own volume setting independent > from other sounds. The master volume can be used as a > "ceiling value", even if PCM is at 100. I've always found the sound subsystem to be excellent on FreeBSD. I don't know what it's like on Linux nowadays but 15 years ago it was well beyond hideous. Nowadays, I tick the 'sndio' option for the ports I use. I think most of the commonly used ports that can emit noise have that option nowadays. > > > Imagine you set the wanted level for the trash bin sound, after that > > you watch a very silent video. You increase the volume of the amplifier > > much, to listen to the video and after watching and listening the > > video, you move it to the trash bin, without decreasing the volume > > first. The trash bin sound could blow the speakers. > > And curious people can hear things they're not supposed > to hear and to know: > > "Please enter your secret password." > > "Eytsh you en tee ee are two." > > Shhh! > > "You entered the password hunter two. Is that your password?" > > Um... > > "Please speak louder into the microphone. Is hunter two your > password?" > > Yes? > > "You have confirmed your password hunter twelve. You are now > logged in to Facebook. Now enter your credit card number and > secret PIN to confirm your identity." > > Erm... > > ;-) Then it's just one small step to: "I'm sorry I can't do that, Polytropon." Am I right or am I right? ;-) Regards, -- Frank --* The Machine stops. *-- \verb# infinity # ----------------> $ \infty $ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 03:28:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970182FEFD6 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 03:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic303-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic303-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.131.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SFTL6Mbjz4GC6 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 03:28:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: raaHEFwVM1kyoV13kmQjIdLaUy5kAuj9eTEKJW.NPyMBM2OIojJc5jfMoe95e9d VxzJeYPaeS5.GJizURrKZazurAnU3SOmMDagik050RhUVmYODCpOSaG01j8.lj9xRjPn73r.nUAO N_qML1PIxigL1bDpxrgYMWYPzDdT2ITJs8sfHe4SGN1YiFLbAuAftiiqFrjbQcTVKvvEfloEg7BX Tfg3nYm0DIrKSmYcV9p0Ixz6TK7RBHWvi1CVoJJumkQgtXNJvi1Aah8HJ336jleyeCYegvZwuOkh IIrgOveElyRuxXtn9bjMBAoU3B9ftl4QDqikt1sFpVH8LEbKxl9rL.tN5l.xz.xkQvRjds50EfZE 8p9I57brQ_nYIx9GEqOgLdZl7SCZkkfwbzr_Pk1u1CUZ.GPgFi7vie07Y5UbtvHoVTupKUhJfEKv 4FZOrGjpVvcNAr9wWrzT_KW9aowfLX6HSmlqbfwvtQXm03hXX6bRs4vc5VgsU4TdvDrgLyVBg2i. cSVjBfF1X9dvONkEcYVozPPZ84v8IruDN3RoLnrHjkh0vpYXHOprE9S6xL0rYwMRzIcN.2l_Znfq OJ3M9axTmFg3HeUA44RxrlYnnTVAUHUtFDgBeYHJHnXn9swT8RxBkEULh6aikbsqJW11X7M_9Boa am.UJW_bkE2huHp5_dd_wpIgHU1rY9VJBDA_sV9hpe5rujixnNgvrDvNiAW559FZ.5VlzR1NblbD sams__83IgLbbEbjH2Fd5LwJdebqY_Fte6VGk7C4b475hEX68w.nWbW26JXVPUbIRT8xxc4m5bho SNTCekzlK2zhlcAZbZhQUOfnI8VhjodL3afPVlNb84XuEX.U7LO.MNy3UWHWs.hD..ZGcNWNpRJP q5p1gsj98sc.psLNNp05dEA7tpN9qjbb.8Xul_akCGKYWEPhBglmrNkYXOsk1nANj34eydgof_SE _RR1CP55orxKH2dDwqs9INIPSV1YjO.4pFWEQxL.GA6bNXu1jwxGOJySTH9MxhZrjZZ.29JnVflv jQPBjHfFEh6uy4fb7O42snyjnllakF85L6ZweXJgoa9fOSmiU4TAnxaDmqOHthdmXrYAJZxDxxSQ CRuAv16NQYeFI5H0XJHjXdW7WMVqO.fzrN71QPOzHYXMT16srJGPElVTqdbY90JK91DCTLUcHN7K .aX04b9WH9_vFSk6jBPfDNVk9tWmQU2Dzlbb1L5P7c_kiMCXulSKxAHP2GMCXxMNXLae48DpOZtJ 9hHZjJnwQk6ED0jAyXHsgftPcJjVTHnHpcdkLbj7FfgTZjPItHhu6pxfWo7nuT7xg8t4xOCa0lB8 LBXu2lDlBLsvITc534.f_ewV.6zvFOaNbJ5ircifpdjSu Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2020 03:28:53 +0000 Received: by smtp426.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 67d6637bd96ae52684a176746a4b6a55; Thu, 21 May 2020 03:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 05:28:48 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop Message-ID: <20200521052848.6fd0ed31@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200521000647.GA10349@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200519173839.8e758dc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200519180547.4802dc7f@archlinux> <20200519181851.3bc181a1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200521000647.GA10349@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49SFTL6Mbjz4GC6 X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.31 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.10)[-0.096]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.131.40:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.082]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.81)[-0.808]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.131.40:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 03:28:56 -0000 On Thu, 21 May 2020 01:06:47 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: >Then it's just one small step to: > >"I'm sorry I can't do that, Polytropon." "I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen." Yesterday I got a "suggestion" from Siri. Not a spoken suggestion, "just" a loud signal and a box with text. I thought I already disabled this "feature". "Something" enabled it against my will. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 04:07:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1EC2FFDAD for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 04:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SGKm1T6Zz4HyJ for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 04:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.90.49]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M4K2r-1jbLVM2Hqr-000Im9; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:07:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 06:07:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop Message-Id: <20200521060717.a4f9eba4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200521052848.6fd0ed31@archlinux> References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200519173839.8e758dc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200519180547.4802dc7f@archlinux> <20200519181851.3bc181a1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200521000647.GA10349@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> <20200521052848.6fd0ed31@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5QknnSfH6I14aYyh02wBa5V5LH6w9WKal0Wv9cPOBZyAIBqhUWX 2qKAKDl2sy2ZEwIzTf6UaPBnXYHQSep+kFVt4kA3u9YFgGRyKRRICS0oZSbeS9RYtQh3MiJ PWHkNeumZiBfyHKruBnYjjuHTi8RgZmXG3JbtC9oX9zlBsfu0lt4auesQBbDBmH/coF9y/7 JAy5K1SPfSa1ETgcDaA7w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:H8aIijgc8nQ=:7gsYGoKeKXUMKIwpNhxTof mN1yYcU6NLUMgpwK/MaNtXb53FOAzizP4zsgcSOfuOUNzJ6Libh0VqS3b4og6Xmcyb7feXVJl na7FL2c93p0rgLqZBCq8ml1xh8dwlXaq6imqABXtAbMf1b4cVkb2vkO9CQqGJG2g4FdqC142I QuRssKZjkvm6OFVBe/LffcustyoWa6zbeosWjBNf5+J0UQzjqXPVfEznJPumAO5kyUav5R432 62xVWfbeVSlwwBJeW/P661Oh04R6bKPw7oQ5oAedBueCL0jsa+UgxQ0BZnysekbmARBTKoCAY pC2yyHMFlbr5sDLnZLPygAk27ZZaqeVboZADZ4Gm2Of5Thex2i6diEUTbj1nMFCcB9kl025/l GwdYofjY1/Ba8KIUIOhc5VmPFidFpWSdSl9dC2eVyW/5br3L7hk/Vt+ofkr1/bWr4OS5W837I Wazg7jPHAwz8waz/qNa3bBos2xk+Ug1crR5xc4P5uMGSWuC/LAElsG5+deygZvOpyY2yOIzDZ tvuPZNwSfBoAZFnsJUKAPORP7mZd4sqI3tdi3UaSpGwJN8w2/0uebxCwKftafBsfjVrZGz86J nYRlvJilH12UdlUzGj1LPdXkflLLmOxHhBf4WhWmKCq6gkY4WjucHCF+40QzUaZ/sBLwcHRHE gN7gIa9AalXn3egI+XhI8H+crijFokj3WtnzRYxXBVFt+U/+OWecx1Ce6AkUnFa8M583IM9KE r3V9WJCyIW0ZnyoBxqVeD68Nl1i9THhOjHjNL0Beshl319vLGy2G82ixoRnZeUvuPOJDcE861 u4njAULGuP2PhkLiKQx/JcC36I6n2zqC/JjQojP8wLO6Sp2/3pPcx8BtkNEJagnRVBVycX4 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49SGKm1T6Zz4HyJ X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.77 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.90.49:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.013]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.938]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.42)[0.416]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 04:07:25 -0000 On Thu, 21 May 2020 05:28:48 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 21 May 2020 01:06:47 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > >Then it's just one small step to: > > > >"I'm sorry I can't do that, Polytropon." > > "I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm > afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen." "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over." - as taught in HR management 101. ;-) > Yesterday I got a "suggestion" from Siri. Not a spoken suggestion, > "just" a loud signal and a box with text. I thought I already disabled > this "feature". "Something" enabled it against my will. That is completely normal in the PC and smartphone world. It is what customers have been trained to expect. It is called "value". And isn't it so much more convenient when the computer knows better than you, especially if it comes from the office of Siri? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bdXctq7DM https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/532gmg/my_neighbor_just_let_himself_into_my_locked_house/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/09/22/siri-opens-smart-lock-to-let-neighbor-walk-into-a-locked-house/ Hey - better than replacing your expensive smart locks because the manufacturer shut down the control server! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 10:41:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06D02C8F19 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 10:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic315-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic315-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SR4H0hTrz4kmL for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 10:41:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: wVss1uMVM1mUZkLj9jtUl1fxoy6VzVduXWi6VoKbT.RjUg13TUkid1FcBOct9nA c4UFKECAIZZcn1d7bFIsUWCcrZskZcTYlP7vLNLetRgF87Mg5O8xouhZSf0sVhYLr5YELqG82kKj 7hPBdLLfaGssPEFEgsk1vKJxmK_g8IhDQmV4mmh4OjbTIPBPiYqq5ESUBBbAtZFlxKIwJpldd6FL ckEhi8I6ysrq7UnRYz.Mw50FURQKYyZsTyGfM9g.ggmdgH.QSMOqfjFcyp46eILiC_pOcaNW11C. 5odWRboi7Uv8djUIu2FQtBLEGTAwriWqmG_U8FX73EI6O_ZQgLsyy1HQOsv42ue0BiLF0ldQlaO. aYQwpL4jqvCM4pox8B8Ym725GModKKtdW7sqPLotg.qA9JGrUFtmmoyTmXdhC1ZZh8Qz7b4MQ7Jv L5FFpty2U5ddMTy7fCzo6CDLjAG.s3f.hfdRYKSrNPFo0EC4BKTg3EIVqGiZZq3_VPPvXPX4o.w7 HTHRqZdo37sVAHh65jKUbjw_i.zO3LaIxSjj.fL1h7L8I0LBhdZE9PLgydoYD3OdLV3IinIXZYs0 6Xb02tWGxkHieX.mzjMuBVto78XNYBX51jRb5JDzDi5_ruMJUvOTbxrOEeJp1fmN4Q476bg2dIVD VNa7dZ_Lo_GI3T5ZN9RvSJaq5uvbby1TJApl.7Bknfk9sJpHIoibcRhSZ2kIGqHmBqQRbtzAvLU1 28JVQtgi2rFuGSocCG_lFJlq_AnbclTH65PSpOCXUFinHnVVVW7A4KnyaxqmkQUSs9oY58cMQ2DF Fm0FBOEYMDEpG4izbpTdbhPKJfkytAD2NaCwgWSMYUMcjpWalaqtQfzZe6pNFH16ofBNSsnsWi9g N9jqUPCBt79k2bHfRG9Kt_DzpAABBYHFaiJDzUS6HarE3p.e0OCcVCdbUPuoiEH7.yFk2oClB7JQ 5rnPesvkNcd.PLm6IG5NjsvrcBzXFJ9Rq3W7j.pjT6uCLDUiPFd3VA7hnquhWXbt1I2YEefs6p2B wf60VucLeAPHNV_QigmWfEzXgQQoopNMnK9btZz_o03U0XpakLoF.CUMmx..9oNXblQ2Uoo9WwRE 6b0Mk4rixacu2Dn9CVVEQD_kbR12HvRugC7_nCETGHvArxBHLtSur4g5TYYQ9X3WdNMUd3oX_dAb iGaBJ_wOGwnl6HzAeFTvEfAYxyZPy8oNoNIY0Vdfw801xaIfvqvmqtQINpWEDXe2wXJZ.Mta8_hI sVvjMppayNL6Sn4kKyTZv8YcRKfHXtm8wJrtLW_CniKRI1aEiOg1fsOU8x0OrfCXTINujWl5V36H hcwYYeKSVM._QbT3mFZR6UuYjUQv41LXtVXOMT1f4fGsxhWrpwBrWINq5TOVsDdatw5P2aVbkLEB vnds95sQ_2jRZJxK04muC3B0- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2020 10:41:17 +0000 Received: by smtp404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3e6f160ddaeb248357a8e293b09090d9; Thu, 21 May 2020 10:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:41:14 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: [slightly OT] Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop Message-ID: <20200521124114.7ebefa52@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200521060717.a4f9eba4.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200519173839.8e758dc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200519180547.4802dc7f@archlinux> <20200519181851.3bc181a1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200521000647.GA10349@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> <20200521052848.6fd0ed31@archlinux> <20200521060717.a4f9eba4.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49SR4H0hTrz4kmL X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.94 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.134.125:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.51)[-0.512]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.134.125:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 10:41:19 -0000 On Thu, 21 May 2020 06:07:17 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >Hey - better than replacing your expensive smart locks >because the manufacturer shut down the control server! :-) I'm not the kind of person who believes in friend of a friend myths or conspiracy theories. However, it is plausible that we are cave dwellers who came across a crash landed flying saucer somewhere in southern Nevada. We found some technology we don't understand. In the absence of imagination we made hand axes out of the computer technology, that is laying around in the desert sand. What could we do with computers that by far superseded computers we once used to fly to the moon? We could break the touch screens of those computers and use a broken piece to skin a mammoth. Unfortunately the mammoth died out. What else could we do? We could use it to roll stones, to lock and unlock the entrances of our caves. "Open Sesame!", "Open Siri!" It's beyond beliefe that a life form has the skills to invent such technology and then mostly to use this technology to take selfies, photos of meals and to get suggestions to drink enough water, to count the steps we walked, because we don't walk enough, if we use it as a remote control to turn the light on and off, so we need a fitness app, a climbing machine, virtual reality glasses for the "virtually turn light on and off workout program". 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Yes, install it from ports: x11/nvidia-driver. 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You might like to refer to the steps : 1) pkg install \ nvidia-driver nvidia-texture-tools nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig 2) As root, run /usr/local/bin/nvidia-xconfig 3) Add to /etc/rc.conf : kld_list="/boot/modules/nvidia.ko /boot/modules/nvidia-modeset.ko" Reboot. That should be it. 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>> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > The nvidia driver works with all FreeBSD versions, AFAIK. > > You might like to refer to the steps : > > 1) pkg install \ > > nvidia-driver nvidia-texture-tools nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig > > > 2) As root, run /usr/local/bin/nvidia-xconfig > > > 3) Add to /etc/rc.conf : > > kld_list="/boot/modules/nvidia.ko /boot/modules/nvidia-modeset.ko" > > > Reboot. > > That should be it. > > > Regards, > Manish Jain If you are installing a FreeBSD desktop, you might like to use the port sysutils/mkdesktop - it will configure everything for you, graphics included, and set up your desktop with just a few simple questions. Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 11:41:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875792CAE54 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 11:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SSQC37n5z4qjZ; Thu, 21 May 2020 11:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) Received: from AndanteMaNonTroppo.lan (dynamic-adsl-84-221-211-180.clienti.tiscali.it [84.221.211.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: salvadore) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6288017463; Thu, 21 May 2020 11:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:41:54 +0200 From: Lorenzo Salvadore To: Manish Jain Cc: nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Does the nvidia driver work on freebsd-current? Message-ID: <20200521114154.GA41232@AndanteMaNonTroppo.lan> References: <1590058411.832754056@f399.i.mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 11:41:55 -0000 --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2020-05-21 16:44:14 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2020-05-21 16:23, nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru wrote: > >=20 > > Does the nvidia driver work on freebsd-current? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" > >=20 >=20 > The nvidia driver works with all FreeBSD versions, AFAIK. >=20 > You might like to refer to the steps : >=20 > 1) pkg install \ >=20 > nvidia-driver nvidia-texture-tools nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig >=20 >=20 > 2) As root, run /usr/local/bin/nvidia-xconfig >=20 >=20 > 3) Add to /etc/rc.conf : >=20 > kld_list=3D"/boot/modules/nvidia.ko /boot/modules/nvidia-modeset.ko" >=20 >=20 > Reboot. >=20 > That should be it. In case you wanted to use nvidia-driver with i386-wine{-devel}, please have a look at this bug report: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D245496 We have a conflict with nvidia-driver and i386-wine{-devel}. We have not fixed it yet, but we have a workaround: install nvidia-driver AFTER i386-wine{-devel} (and reinstall nvidia-driver each time you update i386-wine{-devel}). 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Depends. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Message-Id: <20200521202419.76e459664500c64de92a9ca1@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <1590081838.942300188@f537.i.mail.ru> References: <1590081838.942300188@f537.i.mail.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Sfgs2RMHz49yK X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=JQxtnQoP; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c10006b7de72.07ec92062a31d451893a890b87e80c58@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c10006b7de72.07ec92062a31d451893a890b87e80c58@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.983]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.034]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.70)[-0.701]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.ru]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10006b7de72.07ec92062a31d451893a890b87e80c58@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10006b7de72.07ec92062a31d451893a890b87e80c58@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:24:26 -0000 On Thu, 21 May 2020 20:23:58 +0300 nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru wrote: > What is faster: freebsd or Linux? Oh dear - time to drag this one (from 2006) out again. HH> >> Which is better tea or coffee? HH> >Beer. HH> Scotch. THC. But seriously the question is meaningless unless you add some specifics. Fictitious but reasonable demonstration of why: Two individuals A and B are arguing over the relative merits of their favorite systems OSA and OSB. Both are happy with what they have, but they agree to try the other and soon find that they were both right OSA is better for A and OSB is better for B. But they want to know which is *best* even though anyone with sense might stop at this point. Careful analysis reveals that OSA happens by default to be configured in a way that suits the hardware and workload that A has, but this configuration does not suit B's rather different setup and load as well os OSB does. Experts are called in to tune both OSA and OSB properly for each site. They test again. Lo and behold OSA is a clear winner, both settle on it. The argument is over ... or is it ? B gets some new hardware and calls in the same expert to tune up OSA for it. The performance is not what was hoped, just for fun he tries OSB - it flies better than was expected for OSA. A gets involved again, they realise that the two systems they originally tried had a major component in common (motherboard say) and the new box has a different one. They spend a fortune and buy every type of processor, motherboard, disc controller, disc drive, etc, etc. They set up a massive test with a fancy benchmark suite and test OSA and OSB across all this hardware variation and make a big graph (it only takes a decade or two but hey they *want* to know). They find that OSB wins on most setups and OSA wins on quite a lot, OSB is delcared the overall best. Settled ... or is it ? They publish their results in a million dollar report (got to pay for that hardware somehow), and as soon as it is published everyone in the industry criticises the benchmark as being totally unrealistic compared to real world use. Other point out that almost all the hardware they tested is now obsolete and the new stuff is very different. ----------------------------------------------------------- Yes, you really could go through all that and *not* answer the question. I have seen smaller scale insanity performed quite often, usually it sells magazines. However if you have a real job to be done and real hardware to do it in, then just try both and use the one you wind up liking best - or pick one and use it unless it barfs or irritates in which case try something else. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 19:31:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B593E2F2746 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SfrQ4Yclz4BZ0 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE9129BB0; Thu, 21 May 2020 15:31:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UrzQ3LaskO51; Thu, 21 May 2020 15:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31ECC29BA2; Thu, 21 May 2020 15:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2020 15:31:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1d6dd578eadaf13def02280d06f37ffe.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:31:42 -0400 Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an Active Directory Domain Controller From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Andrea Venturoli" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49SfrQ4Yclz4BZ0 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.05)[-1.051]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.004]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.29)[-1.290] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:31:51 -0000 On Wed, May 20, 2020 13:16, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 2020-05-20 19:09, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> What I would like to find out is whether it is at all possible to have a >> samba-4.10 (or 4.11) based AD on FreeBSD using ZFS with multiple DCs and >> replication. Is someone has this working I would appreciate being told how it >> is done. > > Hi James. > Sounds like the same question you asked ten days ago, which I already > answered briefly (I use rsync). > > Perhaps you could tell what you tried, how you did it and how it is > going wrong? > I have a DC that was setup on FreeBSD-10.3 using samba-4.3 and UFS. At the time samba on FreeBSD could only be set up on ufs. Samba-4.4 and later removed support for nt style acls, that samba on FreeBSD required. Samba43 disappeared with the update to 10.4 and Samba-4.4 did not work, so that system could not be updated. Fast forward to now. Samba410-4.10.15 on FreeBSD-12.1p5 and using ZFS now can be provisioned as a DC so acls obviously must be working on ZFS, I created a Samab410 instance, checked that it could provision, undid that work and reinstalled samba and used samba-tool to join the existing domain. I then attempted to replicate the sysvol using rsync. However, I get acl error messages when I do that and the resulting permissions do not resemble what I see on the DC. rsync -XAavz --delete-after --rsh='ssh' [192.168.8.65]:/var/db/samba4/sysvol /var/db/samba4 receiving file list ... done rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol, ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol/brockley-2016.harte-lyne.ca, ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol/brockley-2016.harte-lyne.ca/Policies, ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) I have gone down different routes to get around this block but I keep being stymied by one incompatibility or another, to the point where today I installed Debian on a BHyve vm to see id rsync behaves any differently on it than on FreeBSD. What I am looking for some guidance as to what is supposed to work and has been observed to work by someone running a multi DC environment of FreeBSD and zfs. I presume that if I can provision a new domain on samba41 then I can likewise set the acls using rsat. However, if one can only have one DC in that configuration because replication via rsync does not work on FreeBSD then that is no better than what I have now. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 20:01:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C021B2F31EC for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49SgVw72L7z4F17 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:2a5:eed3:f846:ca97:b1ab:7638] (unknown [172.58.142.223]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3B2F4E677 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 14:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: What is faster: freebsd or Linux? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1590081838.942300188@f537.i.mail.ru> <20200521194755.99cb3b25.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200521191005.GC82425@mithril> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <88a02583-f447-277c-2191-8974bc1c7abf@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:54:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200521191005.GC82425@mithril> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49SgVw72L7z4F17 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.69 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.142.223:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.06)[1.065]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.142.223:received]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.72)[0.719]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.80)[0.805]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:01:45 -0000 On 5/21/20 2:10 PM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Le jeudi 21 mai 2020 à 19:47:55 (+0200), Polytropon à écrit: >> On Thu, 21 May 2020 20:23:58 +0300, nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru wrote: >>> >>> What is faster: freebsd or Linux? >> >> Depends. > > Wind speed, weather conditions, kind of vassel, etc… > I am faster than both: wherever I go both of them: FreeBSD and Linux (and MS Windows as well) are always behind me. On my laptop in my backpack. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 21 20:02:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3EE2F3891 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from esa4.hc3631-84.iphmx.com (esa4.hc3631-84.iphmx.com [139.138.38.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "esa4.hc3631-84.iphmx.com", Issuer "HydrantID SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SgX71nkbz4FMM for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-RemoteIP: 198.209.56.28 X-IronPort-MID: 12533955 X-IronPort-Reputation: 5.2 X-IronPort-Listener: IncomingMail X-IronPort-SenderGroup: ExchangeServers X-IronPort-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-SBRS: 5.2 IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3A9vdI9BVBlHOOJaiJ36VtpTlY6M/V8LGpbCIww6?= =?us-ascii?q?AM0uoRIPzn05HrJkfl6P5qllObFZ2O7fVChq6eq6v8DDVYudLJq2hXNNRFWx?= =?us-ascii?q?wEjJAM20QpG9aLXFe/ZOT3ZnkJXItHSVNg9muwdFJYAMHke0b6p3yp9jkPAB?= =?us-ascii?q?S5OAZoaaC9Q9aO35noibjzztnVZANF3mDvSK5uLBiwsQTav9UXho0nEKsq1x?= =?us-ascii?q?/VuSIRJ7Zb3mo0Y1KYxEinv4LgoNhi6yRVq7Qq8MsTGb7icfEARKdDRC8jL3?= =?us-ascii?q?hz4cTqsRfZSg7a/WcRSmUblDJNAhPe6wzgX9H8vjap/uZ40TORaNX/Vqt8GS?= =?us-ascii?q?z36aBtRVfkiTxSMTk//SCfhpl1jblApw+7plpyz5PZ?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2GDAACU3cZemBw40cZlGwEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BBQEBARIBAQEDAwEBAUCBR4IlgU0wLAqEGpBjJYNzl3ICGQEtAgQBAYREAhe?= =?us-ascii?q?BfCQ4EwIDAQEBAwIFAQEGAQEBAQEFBAICEAEBAQEBBg0LBimFXguGRgEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?CARIREUoLAgEIGAICJgICAjAVEAIEDQYCAQEegwSCTAMOIKQSAYEoPgIjAT8?= =?us-ascii?q?BDIEFiQp2gTKFUYM8AQmBTYEOKoxCGoIAgTgMgl0+hDAeF4J9gmAEjwmCV6F?= =?us-ascii?q?BCoJTmEwjglEBmyOQSZ1cAgICAgkCFYFpgXlyE4MkUBgNkFqOLkMxNwIGCAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAwl8ikABgQ8BAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2GDAACU3cZemBw40cZlGwEBAQEBAQEBBQEBARIBAQEDA?= =?us-ascii?q?wEBAUCBR4IlgU0wLAqEGpBjJYNzl3ICGQEtAgQBAYREAheBfCQ4EwIDAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?wIFAQEGAQEBAQEFBAICEAEBAQEBBg0LBimFXguGRgEBAQECARIREUoLAgEIG?= =?us-ascii?q?AICJgICAjAVEAIEDQYCAQEegwSCTAMOIKQSAYEoPgIjAT8BDIEFiQp2gTKFU?= =?us-ascii?q?YM8AQmBTYEOKoxCGoIAgTgMgl0+hDAeF4J9gmAEjwmCV6FBCoJTmEwjglEBm?= =?us-ascii?q?yOQSZ1cAgICAgkCFYFpgXlyE4MkUBgNkFqOLkMxNwIGCAEBAwl8ikABgQ8BA?= =?us-ascii?q?Q?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.73,419,1583215200"; d="scan'208";a="12533955" Received: from ex2-n18.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.28]) by esa4.hc3631-84.iphmx.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 May 2020 15:02:45 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.22) by EX2-N18.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1979.3; Thu, 21 May 2020 15:02:43 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) by EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) with mapi id 15.01.1979.003; Thu, 21 May 2020 15:02:43 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: What is faster: freebsd or Linux? 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I don't want any PC making noises > at me unless I instruct it to. You can make xterm flash instead of beep: XTerm*visualBell: true -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 01:11:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFD22FA592 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 01:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (024-240-198-186.biz.spectrum.com [24.240.198.186]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "dweimer.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49SpNm3ktpz4Zbk for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 01:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received-SPF: pass (webmail.dweimer.net: authenticated connection) receiver=webmail.dweimer.net; client-ip=10.9.5.1; helo=www.dweimer.net; envelope-from=dweimer@dweimer.net; x-software=spfmilter 2.001 http://www.acme.com/software/spfmilter/ with libspf2-1.2.10; Received: from www.dweimer.net (pfsense.dweimer.me [10.9.5.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04M1BiEa098515 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 May 2020 20:11:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:11:39 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: Andrea Venturoli , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an Active Directory Domain Controller Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: <1d6dd578eadaf13def02280d06f37ffe.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <1d6dd578eadaf13def02280d06f37ffe.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.4 Message-ID: <67e6f02205a0f4e87de826c61ef75f6d@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net Organization: dweimer.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49SpNm3ktpz4Zbk X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dweimer@dweimer.net]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dweimer.net:s=2017.01.31]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:24.240.198.184/29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dweimer.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dweimer.net,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.08)[-0.080]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.030]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20115, ipnet:24.240.196.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 01:11:53 -0000 On 2020-05-21 2:31 pm, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 13:16, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> On 2020-05-20 19:09, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >>> What I would like to find out is whether it is at all possible to >>> have a >>> samba-4.10 (or 4.11) based AD on FreeBSD using ZFS with multiple DCs >>> and >>> replication. Is someone has this working I would appreciate being >>> told how it >>> is done. >> >> Hi James. >> Sounds like the same question you asked ten days ago, which I already >> answered briefly (I use rsync). >> >> Perhaps you could tell what you tried, how you did it and how it is >> going wrong? >> > > I have a DC that was setup on FreeBSD-10.3 using samba-4.3 and UFS. At > the > time samba on FreeBSD could only be set up on ufs. Samba-4.4 and later > removed > support for nt style acls, that samba on FreeBSD required. Samba43 > disappeared > with the update to 10.4 and Samba-4.4 did not work, so that system > could not be > updated. > > Fast forward to now. Samba410-4.10.15 on FreeBSD-12.1p5 and using ZFS > now can > be provisioned as a DC so acls obviously must be working on ZFS, I > created a > Samab410 instance, checked that it could provision, undid that work and > reinstalled samba and used samba-tool to join the existing domain. I > then > attempted to replicate the sysvol using rsync. However, I get acl > error > messages when I do that and the resulting permissions do not resemble > what I > see on the DC. > > rsync -XAavz --delete-after --rsh='ssh' > [192.168.8.65]:/var/db/samba4/sysvol > /var/db/samba4 > receiving file list ... done > > rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol, ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid > argument (22) > > rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol/brockley-2016.harte-lyne.ca, > ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) > > rsync: set_acl: > sys_acl_set_file(sysvol/brockley-2016.harte-lyne.ca/Policies, > ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) > > > > I have gone down different routes to get around this block but I keep > being > stymied by one incompatibility or another, to the point where today I > installed > Debian on a BHyve vm to see id rsync behaves any differently on it than > on > FreeBSD. > > What I am looking for some guidance as to what is supposed to work and > has been > observed to work by someone running a multi DC environment of FreeBSD > and zfs. > I presume that if I can provision a new domain on samba41 then I can > likewise > set the acls using rsat. However, if one can only have one DC in that > configuration because replication via rsync does not work on FreeBSD > then that > is no better than what I have now. > > -- > *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** > Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail > Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail > > James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca > Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca > 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 > Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 > Canada L8E 3C3 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Did you make sure to set your zfs data set aclmode and and aclinherit options to passthrough? I am running Samba 4.11.8 on two FreeBSD 12.1p5 systems I did the initial install on 12.1 not sure which patch at the time with Samba 4.10 and then switched to 4.11. Though this was setup as a test system and only has a few accounts on it. Syncing at 5 minute intervals with rsync -XAavq --delete-after -e "ssh" --progress root@samba1.dweimer.me:/var/db/samba4/sysvol/ /var/db/samba4/sysvol Its not returning any errors, but then again there is not a lot of changes occurring. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 03:55:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10252FD17E for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 03:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wesley@freenetMail.de) Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [IPv6:2001:748:100:40::2:4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.freenet.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49St143bqgz3V8s for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 03:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wesley@freenetMail.de) Received: from [195.4.92.165] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jbylx-0008Un-36 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:55:01 +0200 Received: from [::1] (port=34834 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jbylx-0000dP-2R for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:55:01 +0200 Received: from sub8.freenet.de ([195.4.92.127]:48528) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jbyji-0000W6-F7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:52:42 +0200 Received: from [113.106.251.87] (port=47956 helo=[172.20.59.136]) by sub8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:256) (port 587) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jbyji-00023e-2s for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:52:42 +0200 Subject: Re: What is faster: freebsd or Linux? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1590081838.942300188@f537.i.mail.ru> From: Wesley Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:52:37 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1590081838.942300188@f537.i.mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originated-At: 113.106.251.87!47956 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49St143bqgz3V8s X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wesley@freenetMail.de has no SPF policy when checking 2001:748:100:40::2:4) smtp.mailfrom=wesley@freenetMail.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.01 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.38)[0.376]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freenetMail.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.87)[0.866]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.87)[0.871]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2001:748:100:40::2:4:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5430, ipnet:2001:748::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 03:55:05 -0000 nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru wrote: > What is faster: freebsd or Linux? It depends. different use cases can cause different results. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 08:46:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894A032A5BB for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 08:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@mail.fo) Received: from mail0.internet.fo (mail0.internet.fo [212.55.32.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T0T13TFrz41M8 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 08:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@mail.fo) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; t=1590137171; x=1590741971; s=m298; d=mail.fo; c=relaxed/relaxed; v=1; bh=HyDEAmGFwqfD/YAbCfQnkolZZ7TMJe3l83qAvb2O1TA=; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IoNAgQDeV6eZJ4YJ2AVbsEmOMecrLq0ZBulAaKPv9BGQlz5C9oWxQATrdumxm7wl2UcDvRP6VT7s1aiWfNh4RGpEh4eS0Tq1y0MY+PWboAy+y1PStwjAUywNltk1acbPjTlF/WKwF67s/VO60oR5x9Ob6q1QGIX7RsmYtQ440O6pOZ/5Zqhig3bVvmDTaa3yQ8rLfpNjTjrlTi5neLIf/d2ov6dE6tLMtzV6M6NQEfU/OojiXDZW0siK+y17FEbIFdw7Oh42cgoH+VcoGZ/OY8yB1JjnhPE4GTZ1NXGkGf5ElFEvy1dHmxdumijCdI6d6XNaNnsiYafZnT5FoN5Wag== Received: from [192.168.178.26] ([88.85.58.50]) by mail0.internet.fo (12.1.1 build 3 DEB8 x64) with ASMTP (SSL) id 202005220946107057 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:46:10 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Gabrielsen Subject: Faroese keyboard Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:45:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T0T13TFrz41M8 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=mail.fo header.s=m298 header.b=IoNAgQDe; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of christian@mail.fo designates 212.55.32.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=christian@mail.fo X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.883]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mail.fo:s=m298]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.86)[-0.858]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mail.fo]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.33)[0.331]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mail.fo:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15389, ipnet:212.55.32.0/19, country:FO]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:46:14 -0000 Hello mail-list, I am new to FreeBSD, but I have used Linux for many years. I am living in the Faroe Islands. Therefor I need a faroese keyboard. In Linux it is easy to find. But I cannot find it in FreeBSD. A clue will be much appreciated. Thank you Christian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 08:57:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AE132A85C for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 08:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wesley@freenetMail.de) Received: from mout3.freenet.de (mout3.freenet.de [IPv6:2001:748:100:40::2:5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.freenet.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T0jb2ZcFz420v for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 08:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wesley@freenetMail.de) Received: from [195.4.92.163] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jc3UF-0001Op-Bl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:57:03 +0200 Received: from [::1] (port=44342 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jc3UF-0008Cg-Aw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:57:03 +0200 Received: from sub3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.122]:47782) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jc3S3-0006nV-NA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:54:47 +0200 Received: from [154.213.3.118] (port=4468 helo=[172.21.88.124]) by sub3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:256) (port 587) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jc3S3-00017a-FX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:54:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Faroese keyboard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Wesley Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:54:43 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originated-At: 154.213.3.118!4468 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T0jb2ZcFz420v X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wesley@freenetMail.de has no SPF policy when checking 2001:748:100:40::2:5) smtp.mailfrom=wesley@freenetMail.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.91 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.47)[0.470]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freenetMail.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.67)[0.672]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.86)[0.864]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2001:748:100:40::2:5:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5430, ipnet:2001:748::/32, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:57:08 -0000 Christian Gabrielsen wrote: > Therefor I need a faroese keyboard. In Linux it is easy to find. But I > cannot find it in FreeBSD. Maybe a keyboard setting for Denmark language? regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 09:47:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB28332BD55 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T1qx6y8Gz44XN for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1DF00255BA for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 11:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA66D950E for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 11:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: best sound subsystem for freebsd for a desktop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <9bfbb6e7-9d04-bc5e-d196-9c70f59f6528@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:47:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200519141914.GF23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T1qx6y8Gz44XN X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.83 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.273]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.79)[0.793]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.86)[0.865]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.13.200.26:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:47:42 -0000 Just a clarification maybe, as you have mixed those up. And hopefully additional private lessons for me. If I am not mistaken, there are two soundsystems in FreeBSD: OSS and the newer pcm. OSS may just be layer ontop of pcm, these days. Those soundsystems speak to the hardware. Think of this as the drivers basically. With some added magic. Then on top of that one may have a sound server, running in userspace. Most popular nowadays being pulseaudio, the successor of ESD. Or jack, popular for low latency audio work. A sound server abstracts the low level audio api and allows stuff like multiple audio streams (like "you have new mail" and listening to bsd now on youtube), in case the hardware (or the underlying sound system) does not. Now the FreeBSD audio subsystem, to my little knowledge, allows for mixing multiple streams. The question is, does this need a special setup for typical desktop applications? I do not know. If not, you may skip using a soundserver. Due to the popularity of linux, most applications will be fine with using pulseaudio and, while not using it myself, I suspect it will run out of the box on FreeBSD. Pulseaudio is said to work quite well out of the box these days, after a couple of, um, let's say, problematic years. Decades? Deping on your choice of windowmanager or desktop environment, it would get started automatically or you may have take care of that yourself. I stand happy to be corrected in every aspect, I am aware of the thin ice I am walking on, but I suspect, the issue of terminal bells has not been the primary focus of this question ;) And of course, terminal bells are annoying. Notwithstanding, they often do contain more information than your typical youtube video, but that's another story. Am 19.05.20 um 16:19 schrieb tech-lists: > Hello, > > What's in thes list's opinion would be the "best" sound setup for a freebsd > desktop? The use case is this: > > 1. things like youtube videos, twitter multimedia, playable on firefox, > 2. vlc for streaming etc > 3. system noises like you'd expect from a desktop > 4. 12.1-stable > 5. pcm3 Realtek ALC1150 2+1 config > > Reason for the question is partly because there's all kinds of "sound > system" > like pulseaudio alsa jack oss ... which is the best for my use case? The > other > reason is there seems to be a lag between selecting something to play > like a > youtube video and sound coming out. Something like 2-5 seconds; it's > annoying > and I have no idea how to diagnose it or fix it. Any clues please? > > thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 10:14:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7529B32C7A2 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-f171.google.com (mail-lj1-f171.google.com [209.85.208.171]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T2Qm2HSyz45rx for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-f171.google.com with SMTP id z18so11916110lji.12 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 03:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pPQ5NxFsZ5P1QeSbZ19S+U4VxJ9LztsUmcIiHrB55nQ=; b=Ov3uCyQD7Ec08vy6g8q0NwiQSBE+4pecDvEMVw7ClAWPWUbzirV4t5idt4+GUTMvoS sfKDSOnKZII0Ztxgpa9p+U0LsIOtgbcs/f/GDYhOaUyvcuuIbZOKifkP9uPXcyDrRgKf IRDc7aaAnI/RjPCLHuODDrB8VqyRVgY4mDDwCTvfiiSH/f08w3UqqgcEGF4Wk+493Bop EKr/5sbjaENg7HcWMVq5xYNXVpi4zz1as8n3WmknL7JyR4/bh8EOBF3NRNxwwq5KvikX OhwXboEnNvD9/SuVDGIYMWgN8IVLfRaJWxxBKJT55Y8BGGQZxPzcfrRlxX5ViMqX2LW1 EAPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531+2FY/LYPYp6loCNJPOnbinl+PCwjdK3o1yf2phL35LbxSlhSp 9VKK0fxLFGHMkU0H7LboCJVPQRxWGYYiysKlFx13JI0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx4DSibkLrKLe9s37M75fv6W7q9vZA5p/7/7IWg4wlFcWdCWJ5hKShjTA9gObGaaVG/aJG7gfbFZn/uqz7f2Vw= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9648:: with SMTP id z8mr4731717ljh.451.1590142461850; Fri, 22 May 2020 03:14:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Belics Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 05:14:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is faster: freebsd or Linux? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T2Qm2HSyz45rx X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=belics.com (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of robbelics@gmail.com designates 209.85.208.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=robbelics@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[belics.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.856]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.25)[0.247]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.80)[0.797]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.208.171:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rob@belics.com,robbelics@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.208.171:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rob@belics.com,robbelics@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:14:25 -0000 Without a doubt, FreeBSD, because Netflix has a need for high speed delivery of video to millions of customers and they chose FreeBSD. So there is authoritative, documented proof. 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Byrne" To: dweimer@dweimer.net Cc: "Andrea Venturoli" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T6Mz0cLNz4HxB X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.95 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.24)[-1.238]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.020]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:12:16 -0000 On Thu, May 21, 2020 21:11, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > > Did you make sure to set your zfs data set aclmode and and aclinherit > options to passthrough? Yes, the samba410 instances are installed on iocage jails and the properties are set to: zfs get all zroot/iocage/jails/samba-0{2..3} | grep acl zroot/iocage/jails/samba-02 aclmode passthrough inherited from zroot/iocage/jails zroot/iocage/jails/samba-02 aclinherit passthrough inherited from zroot/iocage/jails zroot/iocage/jails/samba-03 aclmode passthrough inherited from zroot/iocage/jails zroot/iocage/jails/samba-03 aclinherit passthrough inherited from zroot/iocage/jails > I am running Samba 4.11.8 on two FreeBSD 12.1p5 systems I did the > initial install on 12.1 not sure which patch at the time with Samba 4.10 > and then switched to 4.11. Though this was setup as a test system and > only has a few accounts on it. Syncing at 5 minute intervals with > rsync -XAavq --delete-after -e "ssh" --progress > root@samba1.dweimer.me:/var/db/samba4/sysvol/ /var/db/samba4/sysvol > Its not returning any errors, but then again there is not a lot of > changes occurring. > My problem is that I cannot tell if the issue is with rsync or not, whether the switch between samba43 ntacls on ufs and samba410 acls on zfs is the cause, or if something is inherently wrong with samba running on top of zfs. If it one of the former two then, although painful, it is possible to set up a new domain entirely on FreeBSD and copy the the users and their profiles over. This is how we moved from Windows server to FreeBSD. But I cannot do this if the issue is that I cannot get replication working. I have set up a Debian vm using byhve and I am going to see if rsyncing to it from the DC gives the same errors. If rsync continues to throw errors then the issue lies with the acl implementation on 10.3 and there will be nothing I can do to salvage the domain. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:15:08 -0000 Greetings. I'm having difficulty finding consistent documentation and debugging = tools for NFSv4. Is there some handbook-like source that I'm missing? = Or some layer of documentation for configuration or debugging that I've = failed to find? I've never had major problems with NFS and the associated RPC services, = but I currently find myself in a situation where some combination of v4 = exports from FreeBSD servers (11.3 and 12.1) and heterogeneous Linux = clients is behaving in a rather inconsistent way (in a context where I = can't just reboot everything in sight, which often sorts out NFS = problems...), and I'm having great difficulty diagnosing the current = service status: is server A offering what I think it is? is client B = asking for what I think it is? Normally some combination of netstat and = tcpdump would make some headway, but SunRPC is blacker magic than that. Oddnesses include the handbook [1] not mentioning NFSv4 at all, neither = starting up NFSv4 support (with nfsv4_server_enable=3DYES) nor mentioning= = V4 in exports. It's therefore hard to be sure what counts as good = practice here. nfsv4(4) is comprehensive, which is good, but exports(5), though = comprehensive, is sometimes far from clear. Also, nfsdumpstate(8) = refers to 'the NFSv4 experimental server', which isn't reassuring, and = the state which it dumps is clearly low-level and not illuminating. I = anticipate visiting bugs.freebsd.org with some docbugs, once I'm more = confident I know what 'correct' is. I see with rpcinfo that program 100003, for NFS, advertises versions 2 = and 3, but not 4, and I can't work out, from any manpages I can find, = whether this is correct or not. Pages I can find on the web seem to = suggest that I ought to expect to see a version 4 here (though these are = mostly referring to Linux NFS servers), and RFC 3530 ([4] page 266) does = seem to mention a version 4 identifier associated with program 100003. = But relevant posts on the FreeBSD forum (eg [2, 3] from 2012 and 2018) = illustrated apparently working configurations which advertise only = versions 2 and 3. Would the forum be a better place to ask, than here? Any advice warmly received, Norman [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-nfs.html [2] = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/nfsv4-problem-rpc-remote-system-error-= operation-timed-out.34550/ [3] https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/nfs-server-access-denied.57514/ [4] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3530.txt -- = Norman Gray : http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/norman/it/ Research IT Coordinator SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK Charity number SC004401 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 14:21:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89532CA401 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T7vt06y6z4Mxf for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0D2A094 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oFwgTku9CgiU for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AFC552A08B for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:26 -0400 Message-ID: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:26 -0400 Subject: debian in bhyve on freebsd From: "James B. 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Ok, I need to test rsync on Debian in relation to another problem. I have created a bhyve vm for this OS, an OS I have never before used, and find that the networking does not, work. On the debian byhyve console I see this: ip a show . . . 2: enp0s5: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether 58:9c:fc:06:84:ab brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.8.165/24 brd 192.168.8.255 scope global enp0s5 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever inet6 fe80::5a9c:fcff:fe06:84ab/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever I do not recognize the i/f name enp0s5. I expected something like vtnet0 instead. I am sure that this has something to do with systemd but whatever the cause I cannot get this vm to talk to the network. The config for this vm is: loader="grub" cpu=4 memory=8G network0_type="virtio-net" network0_switch="public" disk0_type="ahci-hd" disk0_name="disk0.img" grub_run_partition="1" grub_run_dir="/boot/grub" uuid="79d40e25-9b67-11ea-aba7-7085c2da884f" network0_mac="58:9c:fc:06:84:ab" What should the virtual interface be called? How do I get this set properly? Is this a byhyve problem? A debian problem? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 14:38:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB402CA86A for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (yggdrasil.evilham.com [46.19.33.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T8Hk17d2z4NQS for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by yggdrasil.evilham.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49T8Hg3PyGz11kW; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:38:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=evilham.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=mail; bh=A8xHCmFnMN/03XPMtwb+hu0SP3c=; b=oh22xm GJTR9JRCTBtJC5RIkLTmN8AaemKB6ucK0Bu2/BLHRhnphczsWj+HVSGjbju2P/kQ AUdaU6FUbkJRULNRDfPVB/2tsCQKZ970WH/34H7N03LmGmBQ1vtkKL6BZd3VWsAF p8SfPXANJfWjTEkFxeF6d4StsSb3SWDYSi8j4= Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (unknown [IPv6:2a0a:e5c1:121:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by yggdrasil.evilham.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49T8Hf6mPjz11kV; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:38:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Evilham To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: debian in bhyve on freebsd References: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-reply-to: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <03478242-51fe-49ec-997f-5262c2b97327@yggdrasil.evilham.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T8Hk17d2z4NQS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=evilham.com header.s=mail header.b=oh22xm G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=evilham.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of contact@evilham.com designates 46.19.33.155 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=contact@evilham.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.23 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.006]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_REJECT(0.00)[evilham.com:s=mail]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.972]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[evilham.com:-]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[evilham.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.451]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW_WITH_FAILURES(-0.50)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:196752, ipnet:46.19.32.0/21, country:NL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:38:43 -0000 On dv., maig 22 2020, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > debian-10.4.0-amd64 > FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-p5-amd64 > vm-bhyve-1.4.2 > > This is so tedious. Ok, I need to test rsync on Debian in > relation to another > problem. I have created a bhyve vm for this OS, an OS I have > never before > used, and find that the networking does not, work. > > On the debian byhyve console I see this: > ip a show > . . . > 2: enp0s5: mtu 1500 qdisc > pfifo_fast state UP > group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 58:9c:fc:06:84:ab brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 192.168.8.165/24 brd 192.168.8.255 scope global enp0s5 > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > inet6 fe80::5a9c:fcff:fe06:84ab/64 scope link > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > > I do not recognize the i/f name enp0s5. I expected something > like vtnet0 > instead. I am sure that this has something to do with systemd > but whatever the > cause I cannot get this vm to talk to the network. > > The config for this vm is: > > loader="grub" > cpu=4 > memory=8G > network0_type="virtio-net" > network0_switch="public" > disk0_type="ahci-hd" > disk0_name="disk0.img" > grub_run_partition="1" > grub_run_dir="/boot/grub" > uuid="79d40e25-9b67-11ea-aba7-7085c2da884f" > network0_mac="58:9c:fc:06:84:ab" > > What should the virtual interface be called? How do I get this > set properly? > Is this a byhyve problem? A debian problem? There are several questions you are raising here. A few are Debian-specific: - Interface names: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames TL;DR: You have "new" names (default), like the one you are seeing and "old" names like "eth0". Since you are using `loader="grub"`, you may be able to set net.ifnames=0 to get the "old" naming scheme back. man 8 vm has pointers to that. - Networking: AFAIK bhyve itself and vm-bhyve don't take care of networking but instead make everything, so you have the OS tools to set that up. In your case it looks like DHCP is working (the interface has an IPv4), make sure your firewall (in the host and in the guest) isn't standing in the way and that basic networking works (ping / netcat/telnet...) Depending on your setup you may need to setup ip forwarding in the host. - Finally, make sure the guest system is exposing rsync / rsync over ssh properly. All in all, one of the things I've been liking about bhyve (and vm-bhyve) is that you don't have to re-learn networking, it just uses the same things a regular network does and uses the same tools. Good luck, hope that helps. -- Evilham From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 14:44:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A298D2CA921 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T8Qg6s8jz4NrV for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=1MtW/dDHbx1OYzQdTE4v8u5njgyIXKrD0mhoCjEzC3o=; b=FcMI76aWK5PQNP4Qfv2gHnfR45 B6Mzr7zfgt9gFqIsa4LYUPc1RGXyN6o7TZayf7oCQ9AQm2uUnBMyCQl/tT6UCb92GLkFLVLGl8yzM /ZqMBbM6GFyu3M6/pVMk3fcvd+Bqt5vM7GmpQjvZDKWR1O0RpOmg/FWfg0g1mB/W0rds=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jc8ug-000Nqt-G3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 21:44:42 +0700 Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:44:42 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: debian in bhyve on freebsd Message-ID: <20200522144442.GA91589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T8Qg6s8jz4NrV X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=FcMI76aW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.002]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.054]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:44:44 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > debian-10.4.0-amd64 > FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-p5-amd64 > vm-bhyve-1.4.2 >=20 > This is so tedious. Ok, I need to test rsync on Debian in relation to an= other > problem. I have created a bhyve vm for this OS, an OS I have never before > used, and find that the networking does not, work. Works fine for me (Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) under bhyve/FreeBSD 12.1).= =20 >=20 > On the debian byhyve console I see this: > ip a show > . . . > 2: enp0s5: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast st= ate UP > group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 58:9c:fc:06:84:ab brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 192.168.8.165/24 brd 192.168.8.255 scope global enp0s5 > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > inet6 fe80::5a9c:fcff:fe06:84ab/64 scope link > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever >=20 > I do not recognize the i/f name enp0s5. I expected something like vtnet0 > instead. I am sure that this has something to do with systemd but whatev= er the > cause I cannot get this vm to talk to the network. Who cares how the interface is called? It has the same name in my virtual Debian: 2: enp0s5: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast stat= e UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether 58:9c:fc:09:55:61 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.246.52/24 brd 192.168.246.255 scope global dynamic enp0s5 valid_lft 78243sec preferred_lft 78243sec inet6 2001:470:ecba:2:5a9c:fcff:fe09:5561/64 scope global dynamic mngtm= paddr=20 valid_lft 2591870sec preferred_lft 604670sec inet6 fe80::5a9c:fcff:fe09:5561/64 scope link=20 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever but it works fine and even got an autoconfigured IPv6 address from the FreeBSD host, as you see. >=20 > The config for this vm is: My config: loader=3D"uefi" cpu=3D2 memory=3D1G network0_type=3D"virtio-net" network0_switch=3D"main" disk0_type=3D"virtio-blk" disk0_name=3D"disk0" disk0_dev=3D"zvol" # VNC graphics=3D"yes" graphics_wait=3D"auto" graphics_res=3D"1280x720" #graphics_port=3D"5909" =20 graphics_listen=3D"192.168.4.1" xhci_mouse=3D"yes" uuid=3D"2069962f-78b3-11ea-a89e-5404a6b49a66" network0_mac=3D"58:9c:fc:09:55:61" >=20 > What should the virtual interface be called? How do I get this set prope= rly?=20 > Is this a byhyve problem? A debian problem? I don't give a @#$ how it is called while it works. Linux has always had interface names quite different from *BSD. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJex+VaAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0/8oH+gPDMb/u+dWNwnTbgnRFHtVA FddamsMNiN+npyaM8MI3A46NBiHC5sn+S9p6cvLoi0+gxsp71SGzPaQBWcYs4lKv MFATyzAxAclezhdhPBd/Ovw7hDpNnNSjtaQRymL3ZyaksA1WIaZ+pNd3RjHaCVG9 SbNr5gzc6EuRiIj755pBL35vVWz4oSUQAnTN/upatG7+KdI/Ip7LJPC8AUYTcWXU OCqEWOcRsfPPKTEQ9lvPRnQB1jT48HnRuM3IkK3zEmu856OYbPl6vnWU8CfpeLjf 8LnRKRCgHUUWomPuTb1etVAcY0hJjRjdwz6qcK1hJ8OJ6vqxM83ce+O5QZpW4Vg= =5ueb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 15:21:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8542CB52C for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 15:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49T9Dn3bPnz4Qwk for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04MFL1EP077899 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 22 May 2020 17:21:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an Active Directory Domain Controller To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1d6dd578eadaf13def02280d06f37ffe.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <99ac30a7-126d-c0dd-6fab-e8fe445927f0@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:21:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1d6dd578eadaf13def02280d06f37ffe.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49T9Dn3bPnz4Qwk X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.974]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.300]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:21:14 -0000 On 2020-05-21 21:31, James B. Byrne wrote: > Samba-4.4 and later removed support for nt style acls, Could you elaborate on this or give a pointer? I looked into 4.4.0 release notes, but found no mention of this removal. From the Samba Wiki, a Samba AD DC requires "Windows ACLs" (as opposed to POSIX ACLs). What do you mean with "NT style ACLs"? > Fast forward to now. Samba410-4.10.15 on FreeBSD-12.1p5 and using ZFS now can > be provisioned as a DC so acls obviously must be working on ZFS, I created a > Samab410 instance, checked that it could provision, undid that work and > reinstalled samba and used samba-tool to join the existing domain. I then > attempted to replicate the sysvol using rsync. Just to be sure, you are now: _ connecting via SSH from the *new* DC to the old DC; _ copying from UFS to ZFS; _ from a jail to a jail. > rsync -XAavz --delete-after --rsh='ssh' [192.168.8.65]:/var/db/samba4/sysvol > /var/db/samba4 > receiving file list ... done > > rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol, ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) > > rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol/brockley-2016.harte-lyne.ca, > ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) > > rsync: set_acl: sys_acl_set_file(sysvol/brockley-2016.harte-lyne.ca/Policies, > ACL_TYPE_ACCESS): Invalid argument (22) Just a shot in the dark: you're not using the stock rsync package, do you? At least in the past, an ACL patch was needed to support ACLs and that option is not on by default. I'm not sure it's still the case, however; now the patch states: > This patch adds backward-compatibility support for the --acls option. > Since the main release has never had ACL support, the trunk doesn't > need this code. If you want to make rsync 3.0.x communicate with an > older (patched) release, use this. I don't find the above particularly clear... if someone with more insight could step in... In any case, possibly you'll need to recompile rsync with that patch enabled (on both sides?). Or maybe again, this is not true anymore. Failing that, could you choose a sample file and report what ACLs are on the source and what you get on the target? bye av. 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Carter wrote: > > The interface name looks normal to me, DDG provides a page > that might be helpful: > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration > The problem was with bhyve. Well, with me really, bhyve is innocent. I neglected to run 'vm switch create public && vm switch add public igb0'. So there was no virtual network for the guests to connect to. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > The problem was with bhyve. Well, with me really, bhyve is innocent. I > neglected to run 'vm switch create public && vm switch add public igb0'. So > there was no virtual network for the guests to connect to. I also found first contact with bhyve a bit complicated and confusing. Maybe creating a simple GUI like VirtualBox already has would be beneficial to the users? :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 16:29:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC3C2CD57B for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:29:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [192.111.144.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49TBlq4kmNz4XNf for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 62365FC; Fri, 22 May 2020 12:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:29:37 -0400 From: Greg Veldman To: Norman Gray Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Documentation and debugging for NFSv4 Message-ID: <20200522162937.GJ1068@aurora.gregv.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TBlq4kmNz4XNf X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gregv.net has no SPF policy when checking 192.111.144.138) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gregv.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.05)[-0.053]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gregv.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.00)[0.004]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.327]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31863, ipnet:192.111.144.0/20, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:29:44 -0000 On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:15:01PM +0100, Norman Gray wrote: > I'm having difficulty finding consistent documentation and debugging > tools for NFSv4. Is there some handbook-like source that I'm missing? > Or some layer of documentation for configuration or debugging that I've > failed to find? > > I've never had major problems with NFS and the associated RPC services, > but I currently find myself in a situation where some combination of v4 > exports from FreeBSD servers (11.3 and 12.1) and heterogeneous Linux > clients is behaving in a rather inconsistent way (in a context where I > can't just reboot everything in sight, which often sorts out NFS > problems...), and I'm having great difficulty diagnosing the current > service status: is server A offering what I think it is? is client B > asking for what I think it is? Normally some combination of netstat and > tcpdump would make some headway, but SunRPC is blacker magic than that. What symptoms are you seeing? Does it mount at all? If not does it give you an error message? Does it mount but is it not usable? Does NFSv3 work or is any version broken? FYI NFS problems in general usually come down to either firewall settings or MTU mismatches. If there are any firewalls between the client or server you may wish to temporarily disable them to test (or add an allow all rule). Also check that the MTU is the same for the whole path. NFSv4 introduces a couple of new things that can also be issues. The first is the v4 tree root, and the second is the concept of ID mapping to avoid the need to sync UID/GID numbers. If you can make it work with v3 but not v4, I'd start looking there. Specifically make sure you have a "V4" line in /etc/exports on the FreeBSD server, and make sure nfsuserd is running and configured with the same domain name as in /etc/idmapd.conf on the Linux side (and make sure rpc.idmapd is running on Linux). -- Greg Veldman freebsd@gregv.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 16:37:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B972CDD81 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72a.google.com (mail-qk1-x72a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TBxJ0k2Wz4Xkd for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72a.google.com with SMTP id b27so1320877qka.4 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+M1k2Ia1rFh8OueOTFpr26eg5iqSKWJ3/uAqYE1fr5U=; b=cjRZr3eBykDWw+P/M4mOMgkb4LhFzFvvGHtI8TBg1As7OuPBtatUIuxDPi4SUS8HOU pv3fqIMXGI/RxfZCqdxZhNJpwiybrJfE06aNreVqSmVpDiKtDoAWhryvn9praOlOsaJS cWDbZTEOqj5Vsoda6AL060YS12LHF4oVnpPHbAVXo2ntUbTORBTOZ+vsWTqjl3hqgbTl HKHE1IGrN5xgChfOxCiJ3e5uhvnm7XXnk2gnE09MvQTq5bwyst2uF0uXZEuasOYXhy/N im/JjaYwiwyB4z86EKu5r9AHEXGgWHloRbFkwApiu4HbrqPJFLfq1XLjs9ZILHLFd4SA 3FoA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+M1k2Ia1rFh8OueOTFpr26eg5iqSKWJ3/uAqYE1fr5U=; b=DCyfu4Fa1A//l/2Sd+ySZU0WFrXmnWvHt9A+c72Rt8B7n4Sf7IXx9poTZ1mtD9NfZ0 4O9uNXZJq59t5sE2VaICFtA9VKDBcbR/3HuJiroItbIhMaVcJTeuXx246VlhnGt/pTG9 U1qme/yTnjH2NK4T+8f60ixW5PD+hj5XBrKskbcMHueWoCA0zZFMwGG7olb8nAng33k4 IDrcXTVE45ThNcurPyfcsC7ChyAwqH2hdosbfJdHeu+42DT4nF2NJ6T9w3G2byzqZzRW a72yub/WE4L8zfBJDGVwxEDvCtN3TopzM1s5nlh3iScSaJhPPdfV6jToorahRN42gZ5R Bhzw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Jg+R5oNJwg5CKGfxx8kB7ZKcjuIUnu2zIYVA84iqFI0yFtUVA //RW3AO7hQVrAc8rHUxHJvSXVBgZ43L1tnvznQ2d X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzQe1ugJfbYJKlnSCWGB8CJCuf0mUol2tp1ge4faYQNupoRy8YVe2yMz2Kcoz6ngUExpEK6vCCqhQzBbXlGUgQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:b903:: with SMTP id j3mr15883657qkf.356.1590165475325; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <313b2342-acc4-37ac-f5c9-a2f2cbc80d0d@pinyon.org> In-Reply-To: From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:37:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: debian in bhyve on freebsd To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TBxJ0k2Wz4Xkd X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=cjRZr3eB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shamimshahriar@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shamimshahriar@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.016]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.005]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.149]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:37:57 -0000 None of my servers have GUI, I have no need for that. Having said that, at least FreeNAS (maybe there are others) offers a web based management interface so you don't have to worry about things. That web interface makes allowance for VM and jail, maybe your will find it more useful. Hope this helps. On Fri, 22 May 2020, 17:29 Tomasz CEDRO, wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:25 PM James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > The problem was with bhyve. Well, with me really, bhyve is innocent. I > > neglected to run 'vm switch create public && vm switch add public igb0'. > So > > there was no virtual network for the guests to connect to. > > I also found first contact with bhyve a bit complicated and confusing. > Maybe creating a simple GUI like VirtualBox already has would be > beneficial to the users? :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 16:38:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20A02CDA36 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:38:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ypankov@fastmail.com) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TBxh5lxMz4XqV for ; 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> The problem was with bhyve. Well, with me really, bhyve is innocent. I >> neglected to run 'vm switch create public && vm switch add public igb0'. So >> there was no virtual network for the guests to connect to. > > I also found first contact with bhyve a bit complicated and confusing. > Maybe creating a simple GUI like VirtualBox already has would be > beneficial to the users? :-) I *think* there was some work done to add bhyve support to libvirt/virt-manager? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 16:42:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E532B2CE206 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TC2Y1nG9z4YLC for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id v19so3433286wmj.0 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eHkOoFPk2DhrgwQf4pBaSVI093kVsVPmXzxg4LlQea8=; b=WGrEZdYBllWTPFTPm6kuUEBKrlDV0v7yU/omGJXzv2qgV9BB6c0AOVcjzrKldLIlfU cqn+5GOnEJBRnygmvTXgjFd1VE0vph/bWHNx5QRtdUlrPVuF4GLbssamjrCi/V/ZXqBC gTMUK8IO9SOW+EKwEgr1xtP/sq3mrBHkcdtA41lm6FNIcyTZ1gu1XhDnwWZN5li7ndIo EJePQ8UkMsM/xDPwudE/IPOBTGqGqdgP/GAVP+twzLdTRbjV8Mlb1oKLrEn+herjY4mL 9jNgMfkZm4aaxBQCpmrtbHtkXKYxePQktjDeWvYdlrvYs7DKmOxb0u2a8TGZSby3P7vT BwSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eHkOoFPk2DhrgwQf4pBaSVI093kVsVPmXzxg4LlQea8=; b=a/Yaax54daKdWSV/gTaQ5R/g+idLV3KDekwLNcUrbFyR1hFlvEk1fsMeGN6jR6iFXU soPWGgYWuvcBXRSIU7OGDDtZn75SlmVEq2lW1hisUdgQopj500WtCCg5WmTYiHQF7ERz j0G0KcESuf1q5sY46kTpP8t5mNGa0VUOuJcj3Gc0w4CD+aFLAVL6D70Mq6XzXNXyGZnS wnBanvV6sO8TsvieNkOS2rYSTm1pxKsNl9TzEBel+H3f/yxQJndDFJ97PSF4OxCw0I27 ay9f3x6cfiB/Y1+2oq0pKLyLNFEwRbjc5m1CmaOHfJm5i8no550jkTBhn3fFu6IMPb8p a1NQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532PkZBvBUsuew94daExpdJJ8vuJVRjU+MJyg8G3cIJjaLGwtnH9 7CIgUZC1jyFByznvvIL02E9paVlEuS80GYN+UzD5Hw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz3O/ODlUfvkG2ElHtcwxRnAFbA3lsJabpHimpuD27HUTeUOR1ZpP3/pgW0ItJsNSzmnTYbzrK92MPqvHmGdUo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2dd0:: with SMTP id e16mr15080539wmh.121.1590165747719; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <313b2342-acc4-37ac-f5c9-a2f2cbc80d0d@pinyon.org> <9c3384f6-0cd1-0474-59e2-a8806e8c0461@fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9c3384f6-0cd1-0474-59e2-a8806e8c0461@fastmail.com> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:42:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: debian in bhyve on freebsd To: Yuri Pankov , Shamim Shahriar Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TC2Y1nG9z4YLC X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=WGrEZdYB; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32f) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.41 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.936]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.75)[-0.746]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.072]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32f:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[fastmail.com,gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:42:30 -0000 On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:32 PM Yuri Pankov wrote: > I *think* there was some work done to add bhyve support to > libvirt/virt-manager? Thank you Yuri for GUI hints :-) https://libvirt.org/drvbhyve.html https://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/libvirt/virt-manager.html On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:37 PM Shamim Shahriar wrote: > None of my servers have GUI, I have no need for that. > Having said that, at least FreeNAS (maybe there are others) offers a web based management interface so you don't have to worry about things. That web interface makes allowance for VM and jail, maybe your will find it more useful. Thank you Shamim for WebGUI hints :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 16:47:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD9B2CE2BE for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TC8f4MFzz4YjW for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:47:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru) Received: from forward103q.mail.yandex.net (forward103q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:50:0:640:b21c:d009]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id A40AC4D40879 for ; 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Fri, 22 May 2020 16:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [IPv6:2607:5600:bd::1:1000]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49TCQb5nwPz4ZRT for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 16:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E87DEF8; Fri, 22 May 2020 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:59:44 -0400 From: Greg Veldman To: Norman Gray Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Documentation and debugging for NFSv4 Message-ID: <20200522165944.GK1068@aurora.gregv.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TCQb5nwPz4ZRT X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gregv.net has no SPF policy when checking 2607:5600:bd::1:1000) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gregv.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.01)[-0.013]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gregv.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.06)[-0.055]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.01)[0.006]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31863, ipnet:2607:5600::/32, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:59:53 -0000 On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:15:01PM +0100, Norman Gray wrote: > I > anticipate visiting bugs.freebsd.org with some docbugs, once I'm more > confident I know what 'correct' is. Interestingly, this statement knocked something loose in my own brain on the subject. I know this isn't really the right place to ask, but since it's germane to the topic and I'm assuming there are at least a few FreeBSD developers on this list, could someone with a docs commit bit take a look at bug #238506 that I submitted last year? The option described therein has been useful to my own use of NFS on FreeBSD, and would probably be good to mention in the manpage. Thanks. -- Greg Veldman freebsd@gregv.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 18:15:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797652D8278 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TF6L2d5Yz4fyD for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.35.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MJW5G-1jITT440l6-00Jsi1; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:15:51 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:15:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Is there a ps2 emulator for freebsd? 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Yes, it's called "pcsxr" and available in the ports collection. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 18:26:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F072D8668 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:26:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TFLq2HsRz4gC0 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4282C9; Fri, 22 May 2020 13:26:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id E96D682C8; Fri, 22 May 2020 13:26:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:26:35 -0500 From: Doug McIntyre To: Norman Gray Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Documentation and debugging for NFSv4 Message-ID: <20200522182635.GA4515@geeks.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TFLq2HsRz4gC0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of merlyn@geeks.org designates 2001:4980:3333:1::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=merlyn@geeks.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.981]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.959]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.24)[-0.236]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:2001:4980::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:26:44 -0000 On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:15:01PM +0100, Norman Gray wrote: > I'm having difficulty finding consistent documentation and debugging tools > for NFSv4. Is there some handbook-like source that I'm missing? Or some > layer of documentation for configuration or debugging that I've failed to > find? I think in general, that NFSv4 is not widely deployed outside of hetrogenous linux environments. Given the state of things, I'd imagine it is downgraded to NFSv3 more often than not in other use cases of mixed OSes. > Normally some combination of netstat and tcpdump would make some headway, > but SunRPC is blacker magic than that. NFSv4 is a big change, most implementations I've seen operate over TCP instead of UDP whereas TCP was optional in v2 and v3. NFSv4 doesn't need rpc portmapper, nor other helper daemons. The IDmapper is a big change as well, no more UID passed through, but all UIDs have to be mapped back and forth on both sides. Make sure you use V4 definitions in /etc/exports. From what I remember even connecting as a client needed 'V4: /' in there to connect right to a linux NFSv4 server, but I could be misremembering. 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RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:43:09 -0000 Greg, hello. Thanks for your questions. I didn't describe the problem in detail in the first message, to keep it shorter. On 22 May 2020, at 17:29, Greg Veldman wrote: First things first: > FYI NFS problems in general usually come down to either firewall > settings or MTU mismatches. If there are any firewalls between > the client or server you may wish to temporarily disable them to > test (or add an allow all rule). Also check that the MTU is > the same for the whole path. There are no firewalls in between, and indeed on one pair of machines they're on the same subnet. I'd be surprised it's an MTU problem (though I'm not ruling anything = out) because I can do some mounts, so I _think_ that rules that out? > What symptoms are you seeing? Does it mount at all? If not > does it give you an error message? Does it mount but is it > not usable? Does NFSv3 work or is any version broken? The following is a description of a sequence of things more-or-less working as expected, followed by the now-clearer puzzle below '----'. server:/etc/exports /tank/home -maproot=3Dnobody -network=3D172.16.45.0/24 /tank/home/astro -maproot=3Dnobody -network=3D172.16.45.0/24 /tank/home/astro/norman -maproot=3Dnobody = -network=3D172.16.45.0/24 V4: /tank/home -network=3D172.16.45.0/24 There are numerous other lines in the exports file, and each of the above lines is almost duplicated, to refer to the networks for the machines `client1`, `client2` and `client3` below. I don't _particularly_ want /tank/home and /tank/home/astro exported, but I learn in exports(5) that if I'm exporting ZFS filesystems (which these are) then intermediate FSs must be exported as well. The V4 line 'turns on' the NFSv4 server, and marks /tank/home as the 'root' for this purpose. server:/etc/rc.conf mountd_enable=3D"YES" nfs_server_enable=3D"YES" nfsv4_server_enable=3D"YES" rpcbind_enable=3D"YES" server# rpcinfo -s program version(s) netid(s) service = owner 100000 2,3,4 local,udp6,tcp6,udp,tcp rpcbind = superuser 100005 3,1 tcp,udp,tcp6,udp6 mountd = superuser 100003 3,2 tcp6,tcp,udp6,udp nfs = superuser Ie, no version 4 for the 'nfs' service. On the client (CentOS 7.8, Linux automount version 5.0.7-109.el7): client1# mount -tnfs server:/astro/norman /mnt client1# mount | grep norman server:/astro/norman on /mnt type nfs4 = (rw,relatime,vers=3D4.1,rsize=3D131072,wsize=3D131072,namlen=3D255,hard,p= roto=3Dtcp,timeo=3D600,retrans=3D2,sec=3Dsys,clientaddr=3D172.20.45.184,l= ocal_lock=3Dnone,addr=3D130.209.45.61) (note 'absolute' path relative to NFS root), and norman@client1$ flock /mnt/try.lock echo hello hello That is, this is mounted as NFSv4, and file-locking works. Good. The same is true with an Ubuntu12 machine ('client2') also running = automount v5.0.6 (yes, Ubuntu 12; this work is part of a sequence of steps to let that machine out of the dungeon it's currently in for its own good). client# mount -tnfs server:/astro/norman /mnt The same thing works with the mounted filesystem given as `server:astro/norman` (ie, without the leading slash). This was the result of a hint on some other forum post (and the exports(5) page doesn't make it clear which one is correct). This also seems to work in this particular case, but an anomaly is that the mount command shows this as server:/astro/norman as if it were an absolute path. If, in contrast, we do client1# mount -tnfs server:/tank/home/astro/norman /mnt client1# mount | grep norman server:/tank/home/astro/norman on /mnt type nfs = (rw,relatime,vers=3D3,rsize=3D131072,wsize=3D131072,namlen=3D255,hard,pro= to=3Dtcp,timeo=3D600,retrans=3D2,sec=3Dsys,mountaddr=3D130.209.45.61,moun= tvers=3D3,mountport=3D780,mountproto=3Dudp,local_lock=3Dnone,addr=3D130.2= 09.45.61) and norman@client1$ flock /mnt/try.lock echo hello =2E..hangs for a 4 minutes (what timeout is this?). Also, this appears to be a NFS3 mount. I do not think I would have been able to predict that would happen. nfsv4(4) says "setting [rootdir] to anything other than ``/'' will result in clients being required to use different mount paths for NFSv4 than for NFS Version 2 or 3.", but it doesn't say why, or what the different paths might be, which is frustrating. So what's happening here is something like the client, in the first case, trying a v4 mount of /astro/norman with success, and then, in the second case, trying a v4 mount of /tank/home/astro/norman, which fails, so the client falls back to a v3 mount of that path (which doesn't work for me, because of the different flock semantics in NFSv4). Again, I don't know if this is a sane heuristic, or if the manpages are telling me I should have predicted that. So far so good. Client1 and client2 are two different Linux distros, on two different subnets (albeit with almost the same automount version, slightly surprisingly), and both can mount the server filesystem. For what it's worth, the same thing works when using an automount map appropriately configured via LDAP. I haven't tried any FreeBSD clients here: I'm serving almost exclusively CentOS clients (plus occasional legacy rogues, of course). ---- I now go to another CentOS 7.8 machine client3# mount -tnfs server:/astro/norman /mnt client3# mount|grep /mnt server:/astro/norman on /mnt type nfs4 = (rw,relatime,vers=3D4.1,rsize=3D131072,wsize=3D131072,namlen=3D255,hard,p= roto=3Dtcp,timeo=3D600,retrans=3D2,sec=3Dsys,clientaddr=3D130.209.202.212= ,local_lock=3Dnone,addr=3D130.209.45.61) client3# ls /mnt ls: reading directory /mnt: Input/output error Nothing! The same thing -- an apparently successful mount, and then an I/O error -- happens when I let the automounter do the work. If I try client3# mount -tnfs server:/tank/home/astro/norman /mnt mount.nfs: Stale file handle that is, the server path that should end up with a v3 mount, I get a separate NFS problem. So: My real problem is that at this point I have run out of techniques to diagnose this. The server looks... OK (modulo the 100003 3/4 version puzzle I've mentioned above), and some mounts work (including on another CentOS machine at the same OS version, which I've not knowingly configured significantly differently). There's nothing relevant in the logs. I have a suspicion that if I simply rebooted everything, I'd clear out some caches and this might start working as I expect (as it happens, client3 is scheduled for a reboot tonight anyway, so we'll find out), but that's never been a fully satisfactory solution even if it worked. I've always felt uncomfortable with the (perceived) lack of NFS diagnostics for this sort of situation, but in a good number of years, this is the first time it's really bitten me. > NFSv4 introduces a couple of new things that can also be issues. > The first is the v4 tree root, and the second is the concept > of ID mapping to avoid the need to sync UID/GID numbers. If > you can make it work with v3 but not v4, I'd start looking there. > Specifically make sure you have a "V4" line in /etc/exports on > the FreeBSD server, and make sure nfsuserd is running and > configured with the same domain name as in /etc/idmapd.conf on > the Linux side (and make sure rpc.idmapd is running on Linux). I haven't done anything clever with user mapping, because I don't _think_ I need to (do I?). All of the machines in question refer to the same LDAP directory for account and mount-map information. Is this something I should care about nonetheless, whether or not it's related to this mount problem? Thanks for reading this far. Best wishes, Norman -- = Norman Gray : http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/norman/it/ Research IT Coordinator : School of Physics and Astronomy // My current template week for IT tasks is: Monday, Tuesday, and Friday From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 20:41:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696442DC0E8 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TJLG5rcZz3c7b for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id v79so1970722qkb.10 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IsNGG1fidrvrZdDMef0GmI4AFN9Gt7N58oZL9UbOYAU=; b=LpV507TGU2S6t9knv2/RRegt+9JhUWoIra3bEQ27bBBu3gnqJvJk5ZrPG0oW5o/jCC OqBUs/BlLCNRD7ZttqWge8yEfY0BJ8pbm0uL7+RJLGrzryrx71anpF+lsoOYJwoZ6IGl 8FkIzo9r/MUZD9F8Bl6rzEfuVJ93uzj29foA1zBnFzR3eAxwI2Dpq1bd2UQdo6ceD/0J p//66TuVR5IaUJROX3+6HeOI6VnM02k3kDqVQ6FWwuy8gdlAq9hL4u0BUc9hJEln4Tmo 9MMbpJ+p+Nvi+0Pw2eZYH+bAOUeugT/H44YGIUafpCv1Q8OICdBrD8xA0wUTj3j9V9yA 3WTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IsNGG1fidrvrZdDMef0GmI4AFN9Gt7N58oZL9UbOYAU=; b=aUUDaFJgxSSwZx6/S3jn4YnDOO3LmXbp3/u+mpEasgba3UYA/eFfRe25O4raAWe5aR Oygc+1qN8xK1/qWYvBMZGWIKbxRzt8/gBSOT8I4JHteQnYPLoDJui9ymTgfjQoYQARCw +XwuZGWgzHwEVi6PwYVPKRGD0Gi8Yav4awlReVoTXKGDSeZGSqYcO3YTZKp+I5j1HAbV NSspuHrhz3b2SkEd1E/xcohhEOQD6SJZVJAdnHEUAnl5uib3dVhKsje72gPL3T0+8i48 gopoxPF8GQnC/5Ligv96SYV4WvWOTQuHbzQyQzSGjmPx97gM7SKXDncwqBRRMMlYyBAS Z0pQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337vWzKaHPvYUDZ9Yxd1hlwa/F3nsjeuIww/ivAxaAXrYQ3ZLO1 Kddx4Lt0eyDYaVJusXHTg2c0nHVb4LXRvQ824ZYjd9OCcKY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJygjn7rjcFgSinBD6AjWcpODU1XBGbDodbWO//dUaXUYgNxlhB/ALy4x0cWwzOTUz4JZqJqAwXHJf7FDsLCQ7o= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6854:: with SMTP id d81mr17586400qkc.436.1590180085748; Fri, 22 May 2020 13:41:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Sierchio Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:40:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Faroese keyboard To: Wesley Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TJLG5rcZz3c7b X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=LpV507TG; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b) smtp.mailfrom=kudzu@tenebras.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.01 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.89)[-0.888]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.05)[0.046]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.87)[-0.865]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:41:27 -0000 The orthography is actually closer to Icelandic. On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:57 AM Wesley wrote: > Christian Gabrielsen wrote: > > Therefor I need a faroese keyboard. In Linux it is easy to find. But I > > cannot find it in FreeBSD. > > Maybe a keyboard setting for Denmark language? > > regards. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahm=C4=81 said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is = no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 22 20:45:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D922DC002 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:45:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from upuaut.luckyhands.nl (upuaut.luckyhands.nl [IPv6:2a01:7c8:aac0:539::1337]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TJRC4rrkz3cGg for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:45:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from mbpremy.hd.luckyhands.nl (83-162-251-253.ip.xs4all.nl [83.162.251.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by upuaut.luckyhands.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8C4811F82D for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:45:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Remy Zandwijk Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6433EA87-4F09-4939-B275-FD00E1915F77"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Documentation and debugging for NFSv4 Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:45:35 +0200 References: To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TJRC4rrkz3cGg X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of remy@luckyhands.nl designates 2a01:7c8:aac0:539::1337 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=remy@luckyhands.nl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.22 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.215]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[luckyhands.nl]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.76)[-0.756]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.78)[-0.781]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:7c8:aac0:539::1337]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20857, ipnet:2a01:7c8::/32, country:NL]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:45:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6433EA87-4F09-4939-B275-FD00E1915F77 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > mountd_enable=3D"YES" > nfs_server_enable=3D"YES" > nfsv4_server_enable=3D"YES" > rpcbind_enable=3D"YES" Is nfsuserd running? 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Therefor I need a faroese keyboard. In Linux it is easy to find. But I >>> cannot find it in FreeBSD. >> >> Maybe a keyboard setting for Denmark language? Do you mean the keyboard layout in console? X? Something else? 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FreeBSD supports USB HID so it should work. I was working in Blender with DualShock4 controller for PlayStation4 over USB cable. Not all features were available such as accelerometer or touchpad but all of the digital buttons, analog buttons, and both analog sticks worked fine. Maybe it would be even possible to make it work with bthid (Bluetooth HID) but I did not try that. There is also a very interesting new project that brings new HID infrastructure to FreeBSD, its called IICHID, and we had a discussion on adding full featured support for DualShock4 controller, some initial work is done: https://github.com/wulf7/iichid/issues/33 Best regards :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 03:13:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDC02F62A3 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 03:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TT2p3nc4z4GFb for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 03:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id c11so12835974ljn.2 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LAlrKPVFnqfG3cNrEgh5u67II94v3a1wY4hZwlMJuiE=; b=j+qfatri5BGZuKpDjMcIr0OFQcUu0DkXpHZnD2E5EduqU8TXQeOLyGaXL8eh/dVaCR itOMHLXiIvn7OBB8voDGsxVbbYgwlOar/WhBN/dVrLZ2GOvKBl4SYL0dnDbtlXDeZDHi wGYzyK+pgP/KKzAFyJq8M9Ri2PE6t2u/Vpdoz9yY/1nUa6x4+5urNcriE0X7Dxi4bj0V oT2MA0P7v3cpEVfRmf+9HKS+FQwThOfqTdewetuGSBnhmZOhMm11mUZFx008Qn38jFG+ QGKQ13gB3P2zbNrtkzlFU5ntU4wYtS0zyMXE6SVOxZPf1ZPpPKzvxab7LFT/Bve7iMZt l0CA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=LAlrKPVFnqfG3cNrEgh5u67II94v3a1wY4hZwlMJuiE=; b=gfs0JOiGzVKWkIuYPuQ7AHMbE1NWR0amJfFfpAsfrPVTP0KXEKUrtJxrgQVU8iSDkw K0sGooZNOWCSsZOT9aWhbcwf+FyTruDs0ic5FPjBIh7jdxuTDRX6gr9j1DXzTSNv4IyE EoidtBSfA93yNggz9abUseCilnzDGor5sgCCDgdn/zLbvg+8p37CYqVweJj/8BhBSITr D6siyzdMDARE1eIg5nMZuFwahCQ2vr2rlFIN6BKSo2z4rSRhMIz9AVLcPiKLJ6jlhueZ S6SwuinYXQQwOFV/rZCN2A+rlXTf1FYRzPPmxhYh5kvByyoWfznWNNByi6S3HOwwrANz LUyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533n7e9xAuv1EVYdRy58shJyW7bYebDY/u9mpM2v9NXv7L53b2xk YeQ5BbJmpWbkPiso0b+6i9ijQcPl2a3XDg1MNbDFAufI X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw6gYmcaC9BRbTLjZJh+CmY2xDQ1BZc5eaIqa2G3yuKspQYsD3M72v19+U4M990K2sLx3snIbZ1TqPSmCmD9Ak= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8755:: with SMTP id q21mr3102774ljj.123.1590203615197; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:13:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6742:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com From: Donald Wilde Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:13:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TT2p3nc4z4GFb X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=j+qfatri; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.75 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.56)[-0.558]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.47)[-0.475]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.29)[0.288]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22c:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 03:13:40 -0000 Hello, good Beasties - It is my pleasure to be back! I am trying to re-establish a FreeBSD presence on my servers and I am having problems installing it on my development laptop. I'm using 12.1R, installed via the bootonly.iso DVD. This is a hardwired Dell generic i3 laptop, which has successfully been running Linux. The installation -- whole disk, AUTO, GPT, all options selected -- downloads everything and appears to match all checksums and complete successfully but when I reboot, it goes immediately into the PXE boot, failing with no DHCP success. I've tried both Legacy and UEFI BIOS mode and it refuses to recognize the hard drive installation either way. I have tried both 11.3 and 12.1 releases, but have no joy. I have reviewed the errata and I don't see anything describing this major a problem. I didn't see anything in the booting sections of the Handbook, either. I did see one entry in a DuckDuckGo search that said I should use gpartd to associate my ada0 partition with boot0 but I cannot find that listing again. I thought I was using every automatic option possible, but I seem to have missed something. What am I missing? What can I try? -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 04:11:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34152F7500 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 04:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TVKW2b01z4Jr4 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 04:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 21:11:18 -0700 Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:11:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TVKW2b01z4Jr4 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.70)[0.700]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.858]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.968]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 04:11:28 -0000 On 2020-05-22 20:13, Donald Wilde wrote: > Hello, good Beasties - > > It is my pleasure to be back! > > I am trying to re-establish a FreeBSD presence on my servers and I am > having problems installing it on my development laptop. > > I'm using 12.1R, installed via the bootonly.iso DVD. This is a > hardwired Dell generic i3 laptop, which has successfully been running > Linux. Dell service tag? > The installation -- whole disk, AUTO, GPT, all options selected -- > downloads everything and appears to match all checksums and complete > successfully but when I reboot, it goes immediately into the PXE boot, > failing with no DHCP success. I've tried both Legacy and UEFI BIOS > mode and it refuses to recognize the hard drive installation > either way. > > I have tried both 11.3 and 12.1 releases, but have no joy. I have > reviewed the errata and I don't see anything describing this major a > problem. I didn't see anything in the booting sections of the > Handbook, either. I did see one entry in a DuckDuckGo search that said > I should use gpartd to associate my ada0 partition with boot0 but I > cannot find that listing again. > > I thought I was using every automatic option possible, but I seem to > have missed something. > > What am I missing? What can I try? Download the memstick installer and burn it to a USB flash drive: FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img Zero fill or secure erase the target system drive. Power up the laptop, enter CMOS setup, reset the settings to defaults, confirm, save if available (newer firmware saves automatically), exit, power off. Power up, set the firmware to BIOS/ Legacy mode (or whatever you laptop calls it), save, and exit. Power off. Power up. Enter CMOS setup again and verify all settings. Power off. Insert the FreeBSD installer USB flash drive. Power up and press whatever key brings up the boot menu. Boot the FreeBSD installer USB flash drive. Install FreeBSD. On the "Partitioning" screen, for item "Partition Scheme", choose "MBR (BIOS)". The last step of the installer is to reboot. Wait for the installer to shutdown and the firmware POST to begin. Power off the laptop. Remove the USB flash drive. Power up. The laptop should boot FreeBSD from the SSD/HDD. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 04:49:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DCF2F7B74 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 04:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TW8s02F6z4LCG for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 04:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id l15so14754492lje.9 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 21:49:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=i2v5NIQwevh2HwXJR0ZMwi+xRBwv8qdO18fzoWPYeac=; b=mHaOY27cefKYcEvAwYAr1/HAVP5JrY3cO1mEIsZ+nCYylOwq3vJzFDLBpm+ThHSWt1 JN+yn3eGAhC81DgY1l3FPH//6n0a6UuT4bIkNBvASnBFKDbpJwAP9d+wQxnlFt7mJxOu 5Wkx1ePs5mImraa0O430mr2n2OSAvtviOgSUuqMAd1I8OlhPHzQYMjUnCcrEhIFtrJj6 EeyFuTPdx1R6Mfc4/XRbVJSDhXwYJj/QZEf/QwsbWNfU2JzSiwK7wYTrgyEKxSFiY63R LSLtFSNtrOHVlggMXgdNzMEXbFRbr3SwXN31RYu0aOkmtg9vzn04ksyZkjy/38SZma/J okGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i2v5NIQwevh2HwXJR0ZMwi+xRBwv8qdO18fzoWPYeac=; b=fM3EpAZML253QMfWOo4D2sUuREclDr/b1454s66ER8Dvd/GgfHCoQ5PQPgy7xR8S7r zCq9AGZMmDJJv2I6OIh7iO55MknMl5xJhNDq8fWuvXLfeoDiuCQ4O60rJ8KPTPBQZiu1 0dhaLo5eHUAeM6KsecgBLdve1NkdOkClT8uPwEc/iLJqD0xnBHW4lf6SuFARF3sgABU9 86cgfHE12rw2dn2KMogfkvlEGR5Yr4XrvHsxcwnmH5aN6cCfng8csiSUGKAugiQyEenh R2GnwLJrMHeYlsR6HTl2YO8ksJnOPYVlzGmHnkc488o14TRCljiF4xgHeoXfkwxHAoTj 06pQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530nVplJyT2TTrXs8U/eQ+H+Sg6N9PB8brtZ7GM2J49WynQsxWiv HfOQltHDVBlnXl6XYF5/S4qRBOkswPhDwXS3VKXGrDjx X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwB1He8L53qjXtCkRGkCTfMDHAPNfHsUnad4qTV81i19RhtWm3NqxC1NqQOEELDtW1tUTXFiZ/YshL5oE6em30= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c3c5:: with SMTP id t188mr9021646lff.149.1590209023639; Fri, 22 May 2020 21:43:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6742:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2020 21:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Wilde Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TW8s02F6z4LCG X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=mHaOY27c; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [10.49 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.04)[1.039]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.936]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.02)[1.016]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::231:from]; URIBL_BLACK(7.50)[holgerdanske.com:email]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 04:49:02 -0000 Service tag 5K8W162 I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. Do I need to erase my USB key and only put the key-version ISO on it? Why would that be superior to using a DVD, other than the waste of plastic? The only other possible problem I can see is that I simply named the machine, and did not create a meaningless FQDN (in my NAT). Thank you for your answer, and I WILCO. On 5/22/20, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-05-22 20:13, Donald Wilde wrote: >> Hello, good Beasties - >> >> It is my pleasure to be back! >> >> I am trying to re-establish a FreeBSD presence on my servers and I am >> having problems installing it on my development laptop. >> >> I'm using 12.1R, installed via the bootonly.iso DVD. This is a >> hardwired Dell generic i3 laptop, which has successfully been running >> Linux. > > Dell service tag? > > >> The installation -- whole disk, AUTO, GPT, all options selected -- >> downloads everything and appears to match all checksums and complete >> successfully but when I reboot, it goes immediately into the PXE boot, >> failing with no DHCP success. I've tried both Legacy and UEFI BIOS >> mode and it refuses to recognize the hard drive installation >> either way. >> >> I have tried both 11.3 and 12.1 releases, but have no joy. I have >> reviewed the errata and I don't see anything describing this major a >> problem. I didn't see anything in the booting sections of the >> Handbook, either. I did see one entry in a DuckDuckGo search that said >> I should use gpartd to associate my ada0 partition with boot0 but I >> cannot find that listing again. >> >> I thought I was using every automatic option possible, but I seem to >> have missed something. >> >> What am I missing? What can I try? > > > Download the memstick installer and burn it to a USB flash drive: > > FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img > > > Zero fill or secure erase the target system drive. > > > Power up the laptop, enter CMOS setup, reset the settings to defaults, > confirm, save if available (newer firmware saves automatically), exit, > power off. > > > Power up, set the firmware to BIOS/ Legacy mode (or whatever you laptop > calls it), save, and exit. Power off. > > > Power up. Enter CMOS setup again and verify all settings. Power off. > > > Insert the FreeBSD installer USB flash drive. Power up and press > whatever key brings up the boot menu. Boot the FreeBSD installer USB > flash drive. > > > Install FreeBSD. On the "Partitioning" screen, for item "Partition > Scheme", choose "MBR (BIOS)". > > > The last step of the installer is to reboot. Wait for the installer to > shutdown and the firmware POST to begin. Power off the laptop. Remove > the USB flash drive. > > > Power up. The laptop should boot FreeBSD from the SSD/HDD. > > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 05:26:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44522F89BE for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 05:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62f.google.com (mail-ej1-x62f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TX0g0Bf0z4N3f for ; 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Fri, 22 May 2020 22:20:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clay Daniels Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 00:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: dwilde1@gmail.com Cc: David Christensen , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TX0g0Bf0z4N3f X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=plNqBkBK; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of claydanielsjr@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=claydanielsjr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.98 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.255]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.78)[0.779]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.96)[0.956]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62f:from]; URIBL_BLACK(7.50)[holgerdanske.com:email]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 05:27:00 -0000 I would second all of David's suggestions, but would like to also recommend using GParted to clear & write a new partition table, be it MBR or GPT. GParted lets you take control of the drive. It's Gnome Partition Editor & free: https://gparted.org/ On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:49 PM Donald Wilde wrote: > Service tag 5K8W162 > > I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once > the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead > of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and > ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. > > Do I need to erase my USB key and only put the key-version ISO on it? > Why would that be superior to using a DVD, other than the waste of > plastic? > > The only other possible problem I can see is that I simply named the > machine, and did not create a meaningless FQDN (in my NAT). > > Thank you for your answer, and I WILCO. > > On 5/22/20, David Christensen wrote: > > On 2020-05-22 20:13, Donald Wilde wrote: > >> Hello, good Beasties - > >> > >> It is my pleasure to be back! > >> > >> I am trying to re-establish a FreeBSD presence on my servers and I am > >> having problems installing it on my development laptop. > >> > >> I'm using 12.1R, installed via the bootonly.iso DVD. This is a > >> hardwired Dell generic i3 laptop, which has successfully been running > >> Linux. > > > > Dell service tag? > > > > > >> The installation -- whole disk, AUTO, GPT, all options selected -- > >> downloads everything and appears to match all checksums and complete > >> successfully but when I reboot, it goes immediately into the PXE boot, > >> failing with no DHCP success. I've tried both Legacy and UEFI BIOS > >> mode and it refuses to recognize the hard drive installation > >> either way. > >> > >> I have tried both 11.3 and 12.1 releases, but have no joy. I have > >> reviewed the errata and I don't see anything describing this major a > >> problem. I didn't see anything in the booting sections of the > >> Handbook, either. I did see one entry in a DuckDuckGo search that said > >> I should use gpartd to associate my ada0 partition with boot0 but I > >> cannot find that listing again. > >> > >> I thought I was using every automatic option possible, but I seem to > >> have missed something. > >> > >> What am I missing? What can I try? > > > > > > Download the memstick installer and burn it to a USB flash drive: > > > > FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img > > > > > > Zero fill or secure erase the target system drive. > > > > > > Power up the laptop, enter CMOS setup, reset the settings to defaults, > > confirm, save if available (newer firmware saves automatically), exit, > > power off. > > > > > > Power up, set the firmware to BIOS/ Legacy mode (or whatever you laptop > > calls it), save, and exit. Power off. > > > > > > Power up. Enter CMOS setup again and verify all settings. Power off. > > > > > > Insert the FreeBSD installer USB flash drive. Power up and press > > whatever key brings up the boot menu. Boot the FreeBSD installer USB > > flash drive. > > > > > > Install FreeBSD. On the "Partitioning" screen, for item "Partition > > Scheme", choose "MBR (BIOS)". > > > > > > The last step of the installer is to reboot. Wait for the installer to > > shutdown and the firmware POST to begin. Power off the laptop. Remove > > the USB flash drive. > > > > > > Power up. The laptop should boot FreeBSD from the SSD/HDD. > > > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 06:39:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0772F936F for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 06:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TYbk6GkZz4QYL for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 06:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 04N6cpEE026813 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 02:38:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 02:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: updating a FreeBSD workstation Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Sat, 23 May 2020 02:38:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TYbk6GkZz4QYL X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.51)[-0.511]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.032]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.03)[0.033]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 06:39:00 -0000 Thoughts/questions on updating a FreeBSD desktop. This comes out of the "FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life" thread. It seems to me there are two distinct sets of users: server and desktop. There have to be a few like me with a foot in each camp. My server problem was largely of my own making (no serial console and the data center was a 4+ hour drive at the wrong time of day). Solved that one. For me I have have no real issues keeping production servers update to date. My main issues have been with MySQL and PHP, not FreeBSD. The desktop is a whole different thing. My solution has been every so often start fresh because I can not afford the time to risk a non-working desktop. When the ports moved to being based on the release head I had high hopes. I think I did not understand what that actually meant. My environment is xfce with enough stuff to give me something close to my partner's OS/X system. In addition to the "normal" stuff for me this means having, firefox, chrome, libreoffice, mysql and tigervnc. This ends up with 625 (or so) ports and packages. I did my current system in December. In this environment, I have never been able to update firefox or the xfce desktop/panel components to correct bugs or get a new feature. The EOL thread prompted me to figure out the common libraries. This turns out to be a much smaller set that I would have thought. One problem is the list below is likely not a static set. For my Dec 11.3 build the common libraries are: -- xfce :: firefox -- -- thunar :: firefox -- atk-2 28 1 atk-2 28 1 cairo-1 16 0,2 cairo-1 16 0,2 desktop-file-utils-0 24 desktop-file-utils-0 24 gdk-pixbuf2-2 40 0 gdk-pixbuf2-2 40 0 gettext-runtime-0 20 1 gettext-runtime-0 20 1 glib-2 56 3_6,1 glib-2 56 3_6,1 gtk3-3 24 10 jpeg-turbo-2 0 3 libX11-1 6 9,1 libXdamage-1 1 5 libXext-1 3 4,1 libXfixes-5 0 3_2 pango-1 42 4_3 pango-1 42 4_3 startup-notification-0 12_4 So for example, when glib-2 56 3_6,1 is updated to glib-2 56 3_6,2 or later, I can not update using pkg or ports. So I guess the question is, is this a Make file issue, or is the next version really not compatible? As long as the answer is, either who knows, or it's the same thing, I am pretty much forced to follow my pattern of all or nothing updating. This has not really been an issue for me, I've had no security issues as these systems have always been behind a router and I also use a basic ipfw configuration. So all of this is to ask is the update problem totally a technical one, or a natural consequence stemming from how the FreeBSD project organized? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 07:48:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866D52FAE23 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 07:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x32f.google.com (mail-ot1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tb7f4BzZz4VLk for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 07:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id v17so10097145ote.0 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L5verrmKXnHrAMFM38F0zbS+Fp6hEyfgNrhdNKaCMJw=; b=V6kkmgOUWfBUx1Y6hn+MAPNVd1bjVIDHz8xyPjkPxQt3Msd8UqWz7MWotKFJB44jSk T79cu2yfYVBcvxvQOB7qVL31EA7++qstW2F9+X3lnW+yOhdlc4po2zGJ5o48bSGa9CvY VZqy/IkAA6UzVzeZdHLdhGhSC3cnB/ISlhztUcdV85B6G0vcau95WUkC260peWbPxY6l QRSeQ6Ny642MdtMc0FbI1EPhGEW54cP0f64unJOrXprGILmDK5QsuwAqUD51sRmhsZ4l XiTrFffNI5KrdzYdJnXWjl9pETezZVRWDNmtNOvCoQCyThltcZioFe1835u5uTJuDtp4 lfqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L5verrmKXnHrAMFM38F0zbS+Fp6hEyfgNrhdNKaCMJw=; b=gX8//9lS1VL/IYYPMUp2RjQpyON6Sx/cXALw1fVbMDwTz+egZ1yWBFdfenyiMmReJ6 0gxGyhZy+4wCdKEbKLl3HNZ8kUX6IysPEF5dhYuv01X091+XV5NKyh8Seif5KUQRRj7U PCLjRd+SnEW1v4vEEXCThtx+qv+vsrPdI/cXMO1OTXiiwdpjN1KLsaHsM0Picc3UvWYQ 6gADiAbBg5GqdwLdaoaIqwldAs/+vi4w3ljZ/qA1JKA4ATpHTCI5mjlKRSXSFt6rzfD4 zLRMtKtvwfUJSzB8u1gt4UStTRKf51vaD0Hnj08JNMb5kH6ZUhpkmVarXFSxzdMc02pG couA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533BAYiBBFsT+z609KOADAaAnzH1wiF8KN4FvrwG9xMESGAnx59b YBRNaoarvl7Bk7wXhEq20np+EPwdVz9vU3f8ya23hVKbZV4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxdNIIku/4VThEkG91ZUsGOVe5bdxqWP9VSs1+iMn/THfYIm5aLdDHc3frB/hcSufKr95PYWVBCxVgNwW4mPYE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:c28:: with SMTP id 37mr3758295otr.26.1590220092626; Sat, 23 May 2020 00:48:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:47:37 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation To: Doug Denault Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tb7f4BzZz4VLk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=V6kkmgOU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of odhiambo@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=odhiambo@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.032]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.984]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.52)[-0.519]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 07:48:15 -0000 On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 09:39, Doug Denault wrote: > Thoughts/questions on updating a FreeBSD desktop. > > This comes out of the "FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life" thread. It seems to me > there > are two distinct sets of users: server and desktop. There have to be a few > like > me with a foot in each camp. My server problem was largely of my own > making (no > serial console and the data center was a 4+ hour drive at the wrong time > of > day). Solved that one. For me I have have no real issues keeping > production > servers update to date. My main issues have been with MySQL and PHP, not > FreeBSD. > > The desktop is a whole different thing. My solution has been every so > often > start fresh because I can not afford the time to risk a non-working > desktop. > When the ports moved to being based on the release head I had high hopes. > I > think I did not understand what that actually meant. My environment is > xfce with > enough stuff to give me something close to my partner's OS/X system. In > addition > to the "normal" stuff for me this means having, firefox, chrome, > libreoffice, > mysql and tigervnc. This ends up with 625 (or so) ports and packages. I > did my > current system in December. > To be honest, unless one has a lot of time on their hands for messing around, FreeBSD is not what you want for a Desktop environment. Use your Linux of choice and have a foothold in both worlds. Look at it this way: Ardent FreeBSD guys started PC-BSD, which was quite good for the Desktop. They then changed to TrueOS (just the name) and finally decided that TrueOS is better left to be their server version and https://project-trident.org/ to be their Desktop version. The later is based on something called Void Linux (I am hearing about that for the first time today after your post prompted me to look for PC-BSD, TrueOS). So either head to Project Trident or just identify some Linux for the Desktop. You will have and an easier life. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 08:02:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8A22FB1DA for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 08:02:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TbRl1x9Sz4WN5 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 08:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.35.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MCsDe-1jlEnB36H2-008q6Z; Sat, 23 May 2020 10:02:01 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:02:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: Doug Denault , User Questions Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation Message-Id: <20200523100200.04579e5d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SoAYQhLrZSdTwqpSkp53ODbIM5foxbeJEgLJu7/uTG2eRKyqwIM rcbdl6fR2OBlTO4OkY2hOMUr+XqG2HUP6mA32QVFuynEJCmN1Dppplw9UDisblWeUW75lqG WDRzUNzurDOMgyEGy6bqir6CErvHZIELnLPyBWUTBQP7iG3/fgujzSkfCzjA7ehEBsai319 rWYHp4hUjRqIsEN9H5P0A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:+dTLtVWWxTk=:Q58OC0Hkocf/fLy+mqlHF8 5Yf2CLThLJpC2h0b62fYzkKWAUWIpNLcKo0cksQLLjxRfUcdtE2OQBjb0O4DQCL69Tg4BLbcp apEP7E9FOMH7RTdYBkf89uRrqXzkjKVeAzmrDMsU6coPArNZYIYveu/iLzPIS4szLRWK58Gxh g5nY4UWuailWwZf4Y9byVV4AwXtJZRXPDwQshP43Z/MARKpZ9rJAQ1032gYVXc1hun54I8GrK tOa+a/8PwZouBiUMqXX41q25Ji6StjsB6wTzqKBBUYch9I+IIqy6e0d+PQ6DPyDZRlk5O6Lj3 KlfPmNmXoGEvSpBtBZs5/ViyYkxsEyVaWxTGZcKXEZJGaAxNnLyUVvofE+ubRlnkTwW2RFXsr 6+PILV1ifUjyjRcF6VDxHD7KC5NKvZVDFWjICsZuOwe4L6t+I6Jd4Z93UVzTERQylPgzldJT5 ETJiiGS8cZuFWlMd3zdFHJxWEUNb0cEk12hl+bJIBuOFWeUVht1259iM2wWoQ22vLlGKT+FH7 hVBAlpG1G76UlQUO3gS5UWtlue0NYlFJDg0937m0siZUfRxmiJqdPG4LGWRxl4WGIfF1+xSwA /bcRFghLDoAW5OmGwHj3ffhsqpEG4/66HZvC2Gp6HNvkkztMF2w6dy5x4Dycm9ssfBkFQL4XC meJVL2RpKk4goQCOEOw6daeka9SGdCkIs5JEwQGR1Nq3YGSAOdmvTt7UmBddulscGQxcGO8W0 LCn+GzEJgKaPiK9E+5UYhcsUOnHaOiM+jJDxNmCgpXsfk7VUZVqP+VgGelpCRdsBcMDPGJzf7 oOhzXSWHlaFxkRrSasnpV+/Z6YktBhKIYpROjIAVzSOo5pRYM/pzkZdqNn5dt8eKqCHHQwq X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TbRl1x9Sz4WN5 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.01 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.35.23:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.25)[0.247]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.64)[0.639]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.72)[0.722]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:02:12 -0000 On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:47:37 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Look at it this way: Ardent FreeBSD guys started PC-BSD, which was quite > good for the > Desktop. They then changed to TrueOS (just the name) and finally decided > that TrueOS > is better left to be their server version and https://project-trident.org/ to > be their Desktop > version. The later is based on something called Void Linux (I am hearing > about that for > the first time today after your post prompted me to look for PC-BSD, > TrueOS). > So either head to Project Trident or just identify some Linux for the > Desktop. You will have > and an easier life. Additionally, what about Lumina? FreeBSD was supposed to get a native desktop environment that better suited the needs for working with FreeBSD (as the OS) than desktops ported from Linux, which still don't really offer a consistent and useful interface to FreeBSD system functions and configuration. Of course, this would only cover the desktop - not any application program (like web browser, office suite, vector graphics program, photo manipulation or video editing tool), which are again coming from Linux, and therefore carry a lot of specific dependencies where the gap of "FreeBSD vs. Linux" seems to be increasing. I mentioned system functions: Lumina was supposed to offer GUI interfaces to system configuration, hardware management, networking, OS and application updates, diagnostics, and so on, things that most users would probably expect to be integrated in a desktop. So I'd say, if you want a "just works", use Linux. You'll find all things mentioned in an integrated form, working. Because it was made for Linux, it will work on Linux. That is not a statement that suggests that it's impossible to get an excellent desktop with FreeBSD (I know it - I'm using them for decades). There is even a port "mkdesktop" that does most of the work for you: You select which desktop you want, and the port will take care of the dependencies. The core problem is: "the desktop" means different things to different people. What does it include? Just a GUI file manager and icons on the wallpaper? Or bundled applications? And what about integration with the OS, so you can configure your system? The "problem" with choice: Whatever your definition is, you'll definitely find something that suits your needs. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 09:01:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922BA2FC457 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 09:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from mail.vex.net (mail.vex.net [98.158.139.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Tclw3j7Wz4ZWv for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 09:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from dilbert.druid.net (unknown [216.105.80.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: darcy) by mail.vex.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 380B683D4E for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 05:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: D'Arcy Cain Autocrypt: addr=darcy@druid.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXno+ARYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAR2o17zm/M442SONWLjdQ/8Jpro8TbnUm/m1r4MHhygS0 HUQnQXJjeSBDYWluIDxkYXJjeUBkcnVpZC5uZXQ+iJYEExYIAD4WIQQZ0YBgv7psnnP4U/Hh AAd6d7lwwgUCXno+AQIbAwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDhAAd6 d7lwwvvTAQCfxQvyB5M06arZ2cL4LDj0wVxG9ay0PTR+qrQQ9DhevAD+I7W9XlbX6qL3gfDe A0wmuPKWrdSRWEcagXI1sGSC3Ay4OAReej4BEgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdAbPzu0iryH2ph9hjN L+Cu1Wo85QbDLV174RHCnjmD5WMDAQgHiH4EGBYIACYWIQQZ0YBgv7psnnP4U/HhAAd6d7lw wgUCXno+AQIbDAUJCWYBgAAKCRDhAAd6d7lwwhb/AQD/8Vd7zTK1s3g4bFCApa3W4zSqUa3/ 9trMr0wfaEOngAEA8iWgHnExoVEdLo9542+dJ8K0L7ntWdfIZLgCXK/2OQ8= Message-ID: <7230ccba-340f-5769-305a-b77e6c03b9d0@druid.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 05:01:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="U8hWqqR8yy8N0YeOb2UKUZe3RaaKRmwxW" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tclw3j7Wz4ZWv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of darcy@druid.net has no SPF policy when checking 98.158.139.68) smtp.mailfrom=darcy@druid.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.07)[-0.066]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.36)[0.358]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[druid.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.01)[0.006]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19842, ipnet:98.158.139.0/24, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:01:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --U8hWqqR8yy8N0YeOb2UKUZe3RaaKRmwxW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="DW5cyNEb4gK0jVeiQyU0OdnrjSkkXJZL3" --DW5cyNEb4gK0jVeiQyU0OdnrjSkkXJZL3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2020-05-23 00:43, Donald Wilde wrote: > I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once > the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead > of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and > ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. This is exactly what I found when going from Linux to FreeBSD. Just run dd(1) with input file /dev/zero on the raw disk before starting your installation. You have to completely wipe out the Linux boot blocks. --=20 D'Arcy J.M. Cain | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 788 2246 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner. 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PCSX2 What is PCSX2 For Unix? PCSX2 For Unix is a project that is aiming to get PCSX2 - The Playstation 2 Emulator - run on as many Unix platforms as possible such as Linux and FreeBSD and hopefully even more *nix platforms. Why another PCSX2 project? PCSX2 For Unix and the orginal PCSX2 project is not enemies. We have setup this project to give PCSX2 better support for Unix systems. Source: http://pcsxii4unix.sourceforge.net/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 12:13:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2DF2C9DE4 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 12:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tj1S3NWVz3dN9 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 12:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DD810196; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:13:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: debian in bhyve on freebsd To: Tomasz CEDRO , byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <60e7d910e1eb13643ee3c60080e96766.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <313b2342-acc4-37ac-f5c9-a2f2cbc80d0d@pinyon.org> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <8427ea0d-339d-de66-814c-d0ac3ce1e7ed@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:13:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tj1S3NWVz3dN9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.026]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.938]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.573]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:13:17 -0000 On 22/05/2020 17:29, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:25 PM James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> The problem was with bhyve. Well, with me really, bhyve is innocent. I >> neglected to run 'vm switch create public && vm switch add public igb0'. So >> there was no virtual network for the guests to connect to. > > I also found first contact with bhyve a bit complicated and confusing. > Maybe creating a simple GUI like VirtualBox already has would be > beneficial to the users? :-) > The sysutils/vm-bhyve port (which James obviously has) is command line only but I find it very useful at taming bhyve's complexity. -- Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too much weight round the middle. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 14:26:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABF52CC7AC for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 14:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tlz91F9Pz45HK for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 14:26:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04NEQNAG037308 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 23 May 2020 16:26:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Documentation and debugging for NFSv4 To: Remy Zandwijk , FreeBSD Questions References: From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <7087de49-27b2-036b-7a93-8a56b5d4121f@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 16:26:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tlz91F9Pz45HK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.975]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.033]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.481]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:26:30 -0000 On 2020-05-22 22:45, Remy Zandwijk wrote: > On my systems, I also have lockd and statd running. Agreed on nfsuserd, but none of my NFS v4-only systems is running lockd or statd; those are for NFS v3. bye av. 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Thanks for your additional observations. On 22 May 2020, at 19:26, Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:15:01PM +0100, Norman Gray wrote: >> I'm having difficulty finding consistent documentation and debugging >> tools >> for NFSv4. Is there some handbook-like source that I'm missing? Or >> some >> layer of documentation for configuration or debugging that I've >> failed to >> find? > > I think in general, that NFSv4 is not widely deployed outside of > hetrogenous linux environments. Given the state of things, I'd imagine > it is downgraded to NFSv3 more often than not in other use cases of > mixed > OSes. That doesn't seem to be the case with me. Even an Ubuntu12 client seems happy to make an NFSv4 mount from this server (though I think it's 4.0), and I have a CentOS 7.8 machine similarly happy with 4.1. But it's another CentOS 7.8 client which refuses to make the connection. (there's an aha below...) It also turns out that a FreeBSD 11.3 client can't mount this unless -overs=4 is explicitly provided on the mount command (this is actually explained in the mount_nfs(8) manpage (!), which says that the default strategy is to try 3 then 2). Succeeding: ubuntu12# mount -tnfs server:/astro/home /mnt centos78@a# mount -tnfs server:/astro/home /mnt freebsd113# mount -tnfs -overs=4 server:/astro/norman /mnt Aha... Failing: centos78@b and Ubuntu14@b.... aha. I have FINALLY found some consistency to the machines which fail: they're all in a different DNS (sub)domain to the server, though in the same netblocks as the machines which succeed. Specifically, they fail during the ls: the client sends a PUTFH and a READDIR opcode, and the PUTFH succeeds but the READDIR fails, with a NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, which seems to suggest that the FH that the PUTFH sent wasn't saved (if I'm understanding RFC 3530 for NFSv4.0 and RFC 5661 for v4.1, correctly). In the case of the machines which succeed, in subdomain @a, the corresponding NFS request looks pretty much identical, but the response is successful. (An odd thing is that in the _successful_ cases, Wireshark shows a lot of 'TCP ACKed unseen segment' warnings, but I can't see how this might be relevant) This is the only consistency I can see, but I can't see how this is relevant to anything. * NFS works at the TCP layer, after resolution of DNS names * There are no domain names that I can see in the tcpdump traffic * The only mentions of domains in RFC 5661 are irrelevant to this. The domain names in the context of owners and groups are not, I think, relevant. >> Normally some combination of netstat and tcpdump would make some >> headway, >> but SunRPC is blacker magic than that. > > NFSv4 is a big change, most implementations I've seen operate over TCP > instead of UDP > whereas TCP was optional in v2 and v3. As I read RFC 3530, NFSv4 is TCP-only (well, TCP and SCTP), and doesn't use UDP at all. > NFSv4 doesn't need rpc portmapper, nor > other helper daemons. The IDmapper is a big change as well, no more > UID passed > through, but all UIDs have to be mapped back and forth on both sides. Also from Remy: > Is nfsuserd running? According to the man page, it is needed for NFSv4 > to work properly. I think the string-based user and group information is strictly optional, though usual/recommended. nfsv4(4) indicates that that the wire protocol can have strings or numbers-containing-strings (and cf RFC 5661 Sect.5.9). At any rate, I see the _same_ behaviour both with and without nfsuserd running on the server. When it's running, I see domain names in the responses to GETATTR requests, but nowhere in the requests that are failing. This is however the best clue so far, since I can see that `nfsidmap -d` produces different results on the two sets of client machines. I wonder if this worked by accident -- due to a default configuration -- without nfsuserd before. It appears that I'll need to learn more about what role that has in the protocol. I wonder if the relevant id is somehow encoded into the (I thought opaque) filehandles that are passed back and forth. > Make sure you use V4 definitions in /etc/exports. From what I > remember even connecting as a client needed 'V4: /' in there to > connect right to a linux NFSv4 server, but I could be misremembering. That's right. The presence of the 'V4' in the /etc/exports appears to be what enables NFSv4 service (exports(5) seems to vaguely suggest this without being explicit). Thanks for your thoughts; any others most welcome. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/norman/it/ Research IT Coordinator : School of Physics and Astronomy // My current template week for IT tasks is: Monday, Tuesday, and Friday From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 18:52:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A075D2DABCC for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TstQ4J0jz4T3Q for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 11:52:42 -0700 Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <4671487d-2a25-3c9b-05c5-523bbfed48d8@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:52:41 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TstQ4J0jz4T3Q X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.64)[0.639]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.59)[0.588]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.95)[0.949]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:52:47 -0000 > On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 09:39, Doug Denault > wrote: > >> Thoughts/questions on updating a FreeBSD desktop. >> My solution has been every so often start fresh because I can not >> afford the time to risk a non-working desktop. On 2020-05-23 00:47, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Use your Linux of choice On 2020-05-23 01:02, Polytropon wrote: > ... if you want a "just works", use Linux. +1 I have been using Debian for desktops for many years (currently Debian 9 amd64 xfce). I try very hard to keep my installs as close to OOTB as possible. Xfce has more features and is better integrated on Debian. Almost all of the software I need is available as binary packages. By choosing hardware with Intel graphics, I avoid problems with proprietary graphics drivers. Debian, plus Ubuntu and other derivatives, have a large enough install base that some software projects/ vendors release binary packages and/or operate package servers (Google, Mozilla, Oracle). Minor version updates/ upgrades are easy, and rarely fail. (I backup/ wipe/ install/ restore for major version upgrades.) That said, there are non-trivial differences between FreeBSD and the various GNU/ Linux distributions. It is not uncommon that you have to learn two ways to accomplish the same goal -- one for each platform. For interactive terminal use and for shell scripts, I install GNU tools on FreeBSD. The FreeBSD feature I miss the most on Debian is ZFS. While I can install ZFS on Debian and use it successfully for data disks, using ZFS for a Debian system disk has too many costs and risks. 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Could NOT get a GPT-based installation to work, period, even after zeroing the entire drive with dd or performing the process Manish described. On 5/23/20, Donald Wilde wrote: > The MBR boot after wiping the disk was successful. YAY, Beasties! TYVM > for all the advice. :D > > Taking your thought to heart, D'Arcy, I'm going to try again with GPT > now that Linux is gone, gone, gone! :D > > On 5/23/20, D'Arcy Cain wrote: >> On 2020-05-23 00:43, Donald Wilde wrote: >>> I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once >>> the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead >>> of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and >>> ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. >> >> This is exactly what I found when going from Linux to FreeBSD. Just run >> dd(1) with input file /dev/zero on the raw disk before starting your >> installation. You have to completely wipe out the Linux boot blocks. >> >> -- >> D'Arcy J.M. Cain | Democracy is three wolves >> http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on >> +1 416 788 2246 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner. >> IM: darcy@VybeNetworks.com, VoIP: sip:darcy@druid.net >> >> > > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 20:04:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCBB2DCC81 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 20:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49TvTb3BsHz4ZlK for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 20:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:04:49 -0700 Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:04:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49TvTb3BsHz4ZlK X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.46)[0.461]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.67)[0.672]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.967]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:04:52 -0000 On 2020-05-22 21:43, Donald Wilde wrote: > Service tag 5K8W162 > > I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once > the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead > of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and > ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. > > Do I need to erase my USB key and only put the key-version ISO on it? > Why would that be superior to using a DVD, other than the waste of > plastic? > > The only other possible problem I can see is that I simply named the > machine, and did not create a meaningless FQDN (in my NAT). > > Thank you for your answer, and I WILCO. On 2020-05-22 22:20, Clay Daniels wrote: > I would second all of David's suggestions, but would like to also recommend > using GParted to clear & write a new partition table, be it MBR or GPT. > GParted lets you take control of the drive. It's Gnome Partition Editor & > free: > > https://gparted.org/ On 2020-05-22 23:03, Manish Jain wrote: > I think we are using a nuclear missile to kill a mosquito ! > > The FreeBSD installer can do everything needed by itself. > > 1) Boot from the FreeBSD CD/DVD > > 2) Choose Install > > 3) At the disk setup page, choose Manual > > 4) Remove all existing partitions. When done that, press 'd' again (for > delete) with ada0 selected. That will delete the partition table itself. > > 5) Press 'c' (for create) to create a new MBR (DOS) partition table. > > 6) Create partitions as needed and install. > > That should be it. On 2020-05-23 02:01, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > [Zeroing the disk] is exactly what I found when going from Linux to FreeBSD. Just run > dd(1) with input file /dev/zero on the raw disk before starting your > installation. You have to completely wipe out the Linux boot blocks. On 2020-05-23 08:06, Donald Wilde wrote: > The MBR boot after wiping the disk was successful. YAY, Beasties! TYVM > for all the advice. :D > > Taking your thought to heart, D'Arcy, I'm going to try again with GPT > now that Linux is gone, gone, gone! :D I'm glad the BIOS/ MBR install worked. :-) That looks like a decent daily driver laptop, especially if you maxed out the RAM and installed a good SSD: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-aUlCTHJhMTkzWUs5S1dMQjN2WGdIdz090/overview My 2007 Inspiron E1505 gave me many years of service (with repairs and upgrades). It still works. I zero my USB flash drives before burning them with an installer image out of sheer OCD, but it should not be required. (I wrote a Perl script to only write zeros to dirty blocks, to conserve write cycles.) Most every x86 computer made in the last 30 years will have a USB port. Many newer computers, especially portable computers, do not have optical drives. It is easy to make changes to an installer on a USB flash drive, and you don't have to burn a disc for every edit-compile-test cycle. I hacked my FreeBSD USB installer to slice and partition system disks the way I like them. I have boogered installs many ways, including the hostname, FQDN, network name, and/or network settings. The FreeBSD installer offers you a root shell into the installed image near the end. If you know what file(s) to edit, you can fix those mistakes. Alternatively, some installers let you re-run specific steps. TIMTOWDI. I image my system disks regularly. Zero-filling them before an install saves image storage space. Partition editors within installers typically do not zero-fill. (I need to figure out how to zero unused blocks beneath GELI and ZFS prior to imaging; does anyone know how?) David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 20:27:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1052DCD47 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tvzd4HwKz4cCh for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id z18so16639470lji.12 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=DMRU9UAr1kFl6nW7UiHNld6PzJKFt0WTa73Q9PUR/OY=; b=QjFbAgyrChopoV23y2+Uj7+yAwIusiAnkrNULYJNclERppXT35D4OtePOGBUy/r1YB K+vjSzqWFWPtO9f1i33GV22oviLvNQJbnHaA5VTKSYD1aD9pWgJN8B51UybbroGAXCIz LwuVlQyPcR0e8hMY2aCDBavmBZcVmgVsQG7LK9uOQ+Tyle2eYhnW5lkdz+FEjcpHv2tV rq6hVRCytepC6xfhqM3GczfaY1UxcONonuYoPA0kQwLM+pQlR//sqWV2TvmJFCmL2pe/ pDEN1dS6Krr7VaTgAAaGeMfiokUHomAOeppTVz8NODBnNyjbsuCW2Z2PSaNV2uy3ApXa Y6rw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DMRU9UAr1kFl6nW7UiHNld6PzJKFt0WTa73Q9PUR/OY=; b=RXCNKWEnAsij7WrDFVQYoCKKhtnk6Rjoo0x+6B3D8C8LfI6C+GgbHd1dWBrnco+c9Q sIuCpGxQGLJgewMCR3WTef9KZr4iL6IqQfk2T+OBFdiT1zIvcItRAgC4t6Ty9Kibn2ew 7SbnHswANMiLrqcDEwK9x7WcfcOfAJyspqvPBqrdPEEfK/oymdwJIbocMksRKVU+eR8B 1QRdFwt3teH+bmWq5WRR6CXlKMDxdAnFd23iJicl3fCHUurf8G04sv6A3G/jxeQEzL2A 8DSfht2/CgENc/PQ/+YB6iUfGEfjKB/1SsyxNGBsGiFwxJiNEYNCUBwbfwN1AnMPjVrI cRBA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531O4CsAa2LZBWLH8nzyDTSi/1expcBhPQ82tIjjzb6zjLoicMQe zjEREONLpOBIXiLwyhHXoeHaOk2sSYJ32UcReOw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyIyW4FxSC3FxPRkxJzmqp3l6F6JNLHQJ0fEfFz8I5D+laG/rWVzIKX/pObutIvxI0JNw1nthIiDdp1UHXxgeo= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7007:: with SMTP id l7mr4082103ljc.74.1590265643581; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6742:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Wilde Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tvzd4HwKz4cCh X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QjFbAgyr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.88 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.838]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.019]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:26 -0000 Mine (the laptop) is not quite 2007 vintage, although my Dell i7 tower is. :) IIRC it's about 2012 or so. Still going fine although it's just a HDD-based mule. Upgrading it now to 12-STABLE. I am using it as a "refresher" on FreeBSD; I was paid by Bob Bruce 1998 to 2000 to do "advocacy" for FreeBSD. I orchestrated the 3-way press conference between the FreeBSD and NetBSD projects and Apple at the release of DARWIN... time does pass... I have a relative who's asked me to make a specialized social network for his business, and I've decided to return to using FreeBSD. Not all hosting corps will support FreeBSD servers, but since I intend to purchase and support everything through the business, that isn't an issue. I'll buy Intel's fancy Optane caching boards when I buy servers for the project, and every "drive" will be SS except for a portable boot drive. On 5/23/20, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-05-22 21:43, Donald Wilde wrote: >> Service tag 5K8W162 >> >> I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once >> the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead >> of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and >> ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. >> >> Do I need to erase my USB key and only put the key-version ISO on it? >> Why would that be superior to using a DVD, other than the waste of >> plastic? >> >> The only other possible problem I can see is that I simply named the >> machine, and did not create a meaningless FQDN (in my NAT). >> >> Thank you for your answer, and I WILCO. > > > > On 2020-05-22 22:20, Clay Daniels wrote: > > I would second all of David's suggestions, but would like to also > recommend > > using GParted to clear & write a new partition table, be it MBR or GPT. > > GParted lets you take control of the drive. It's Gnome Partition Editor > & > > free: > > > > https://gparted.org/ > > > > On 2020-05-22 23:03, Manish Jain wrote: > > I think we are using a nuclear missile to kill a mosquito ! > > > > The FreeBSD installer can do everything needed by itself. > > > > 1) Boot from the FreeBSD CD/DVD > > > > 2) Choose Install > > > > 3) At the disk setup page, choose Manual > > > > 4) Remove all existing partitions. When done that, press 'd' again (for > > delete) with ada0 selected. That will delete the partition table itself. > > > > 5) Press 'c' (for create) to create a new MBR (DOS) partition table. > > > > 6) Create partitions as needed and install. > > > > That should be it. > > > > On 2020-05-23 02:01, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > > [Zeroing the disk] is exactly what I found when going from Linux to > FreeBSD. Just run > > dd(1) with input file /dev/zero on the raw disk before starting your > > installation. You have to completely wipe out the Linux boot blocks. > > > > On 2020-05-23 08:06, Donald Wilde wrote: > > The MBR boot after wiping the disk was successful. YAY, Beasties! TYVM > > for all the advice. :D > > > > Taking your thought to heart, D'Arcy, I'm going to try again with GPT > > now that Linux is gone, gone, gone! :D > > > I'm glad the BIOS/ MBR install worked. :-) > > > That looks like a decent daily driver laptop, especially if you maxed > out the RAM and installed a good SSD: > > > https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-aUlCTHJhMTkzWUs5S1dMQjN2WGdIdz090/overview > > > My 2007 Inspiron E1505 gave me many years of service (with repairs and > upgrades). It still works. > > > I zero my USB flash drives before burning them with an installer image > out of sheer OCD, but it should not be required. (I wrote a Perl script > to only write zeros to dirty blocks, to conserve write cycles.) > > > Most every x86 computer made in the last 30 years will have a USB port. > Many newer computers, especially portable computers, do not have optical > drives. > > > It is easy to make changes to an installer on a USB flash drive, and you > don't have to burn a disc for every edit-compile-test cycle. I hacked > my FreeBSD USB installer to slice and partition system disks the way I > like them. > > > I have boogered installs many ways, including the hostname, FQDN, > network name, and/or network settings. The FreeBSD installer offers you > a root shell into the installed image near the end. If you know what > file(s) to edit, you can fix those mistakes. Alternatively, some > installers let you re-run specific steps. TIMTOWDI. > > > I image my system disks regularly. Zero-filling them before an install > saves image storage space. Partition editors within installers > typically do not zero-fill. (I need to figure out how to zero unused > blocks beneath GELI and ZFS prior to imaging; does anyone know how?) > > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 21:20:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C5C2DE62E for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 21:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x144.google.com (mail-lf1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tx8P5JDcz3ScH for ; 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.852]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.017]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.018]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::144:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 21:20:06 -0000 I use Ubuntu 18.04 as my desktop-of-choice and recommend it for my corporate clients for non-rack applications. Raw Debian might be better -- especially with a lighter-weight desktop like XFCE -- but the ease of just clicking "Ubuntu" when installing a package is monumental when you need a "just works" system to introduce people (especially Doze-heads) to the UNIX-like system world. I scraped Doze off a laptop for my housekeeper and she's now completely satisfied with Ubuntu and LibreOffice! That says a lot. FreeBSD and Linux _are_ very, very different, which is why I'm now loading a mule machine with 12-STABLE prior to building racks with gobs (warning: technical term) of FreeBSD servers. For servers I can't see CentOS or SUSE as being as good as FreeBSD in terms of either performance or customization potential, and I suspect that that will stay true with the sustenance FreeBSD has from the corporate user community. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************