From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 26 01:06:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BB0376243 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 01:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDlBf4gz1z3dJh for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 01:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.142.216]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BA6B34E674 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <04df312d-9b2b-1873-2117-79a49e089bd9@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:06:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDlBf4gz1z3dJh X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.142.216:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.29)[0.293]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.02)[0.021]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.44)[0.439]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 01:06:36 -0000 On 7/25/20 12:25 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:18:08 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> Prime example is >> all the crap that FreeBSD has had to import from Linux to make X work has >> made it incredibly unstable (I have to reboot 3 or 4 times a day if I am >> using KDE, Gnome or any other Linux originated desktop software usually >> due to it slowing to a crawl for no apparent reason [has to be resource >> leak of some kind]). > Hmm... I run FreeBSD workstation for Months (6 Month at least till security update really requires reboot), with Mate desktop. No trouble, nothing slows down. And I am not even considering myself lucky. Maybe you have some piece of software with memory leak (Oh, I just noticed you have said it yourself), and big enough swap space (like recommended 4 GB), and your machine starts swapping a lot. That can bring any machine to its knees. Until swap is exhausted, and system kills the offender. Incidentally, I've got question for experts. How "Out Of Memory" situation is handled by FreeBSD. I only dealt with [memory] "leaky" things under Linux, and OOM killer there really does its job well (and its way of judgement I do know). Valeri > Yeuch, but it has nothing to do with making X work, X works just > fine for as long as you care to leave it running. I can't speak for Gnome > or KDE I don't use them, but with a simple WM X is as rock solid as it has > ever been. > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++