From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 00:12:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC40C2D636C for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 00:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTF1d0Bqmz4TSk for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 00:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c66a4599 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 8 Nov 2020 00:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Helping understand cause of SIGSEGV To: Patrick Mahan Cc: questions list References: <0764e7ef-bd81-a6c5-47c4-7cd539a428f5@nomadlogic.org> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <46c6e046-8786-8142-0e4f-7c5ec407b3f4@nomadlogic.org> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:12:18 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTF1d0Bqmz4TSk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.23 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.075]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 00:12:22 -0000 On 11/7/20 11:57 AM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 9:59 AM Pete Wright wrote: > >> >> On 11/5/20 9:44 PM, Patrick Mahan wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 PM Pete Wright wrote: >> >>> >>> On 11/5/20 4:01 PM, Patrick Mahan wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> | thread #1, name = 'fluent-bit', stop reason = signal SIGABRT >>>> * frame #0: 0x000000004087100a libc.so.7`__sys_thr_kill at >>>> thr_kill.S:4 >>>> frame #1: 0x00000000407e6c84 libc.so.7`__raise(s=6) at raise.c:52:10 >>>> frame #2: 0x000000004089a5d9 libc.so.7`abort at abort.c:67:8 >>>> frame #3: 0x000000000034a7a8 >>>> fluent-bit`flb_signal_handler(signal=11) at fluent-bit.c:418:9 >>>> frame #4: 0x00000000406d1c20 >>>> libthr.so.3`handle_signal(actp=0x00007fffdfffc600, sig=11, >>>> info=0x00007fffdfffc9f0, ucp=0x00007fffdfffc680) at thr_sig.c:303:3 >>>> frame #5: 0x00000000406d11ef libthr.so.3`thr_sighandler(sig=11, >>>> info=0x00007fffdfffc9f0, _ucp=0x00007fffdfffc680) at thr_sig.c:246:2 >>>> frame #6: 0x00007fffffffe193 >>>> frame #7: 0x000000000036fe0c fluent-bit`tasks_start [inlined] >>>> output_params_set(th=0x00000000416091c0, data=0x000000004165d980, >>>> bytes=128, tag="random.0", tag_len=8, i_ins=0x0000000040e58000, >>>> out_plugin=0x0000000040e2dfc0, out_context=0x00000000416051e0, >>>> config=0x0000000040e19180) at flb_output.h:429:5 >>>> >>> I would look at what is happening here in output_params_set(). Something >>> is accessing out of bounds memory. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks for your response Patrick i really appreciate it. >>> >>> So here is where output_params_set() is defined - with an interesting >>> comment that i haven't chased down yet: >>> >>> 521 /* Workaround for makecontext() */ >>> 522 output_params_set(th, >>> 523 buf, >>> 524 size, >>> 525 tag, >>> 526 tag_len, >>> 527 i_ins, >>> 528 o_ins->p, >>> 529 o_ins->context, >>> 530 config); >>> 531 return th; >>> 532 } >>> 533 >>> >>> and the frame from the backtrace is this for reference: >>> frame #8: 0x000000000036fd14 fluent-bit`tasks_start [inlined] >>> flb_output_thread(task=0x00000000416410a0, i_ins=0x0000000040e58000, >>> o_ins=0x0000000040e5b000, config=0x0000000040e19180, >>> buf=0x000000004165d980, size=128, tag="random.0", tag_len=8) at >>> flb_output.h:522 >>> >>> and then later on line 429 of flb_output.h it does this: >>> 428 FLB_TLS_SET(flb_libco_params, params); >>> 429 co_switch(th->callee); >>> >>> like i said i'm not really sure how to grok this, but it sounds like one >>> of the params in output_params_set isn't being set correctly. hopefully >>> the code snippet makes the error more obvious :) >>> >>> >> Okay, I don't know lldb very well. But according to the GDB to LLDB >> command map it uses the same commands >> to move between frames. So at startup you want to ensure you are in thread >> 1 (thread select 1). That should place you in the last frame on the stack >> (frame #0). You just move up the stack using the command 'up' until you >> are in frame #7. >> >> Once there you need to dump the contents of 'th' using the command 'p *th' >> or 'frame variable -T *th'. I suspect the value of th->callee is >> incorrect. The next frame on the stack is - >> >> frame #6: 0x00007fffffffe193 >> >> This is different from the rest of the stack addresses. So I suspect it >> is out of bounds. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> that's totally it - thanks Patrick! >> >> frame #7: 0x000000000036fe0c fluent-bit`tasks_start [inlined] >> output_params_set(th=0x00000000416091c0, data=0x000000004165d980, >> bytes=128, tag="random.0", tag_len=8, i_ins=0x0000000040e58000, >> out_plugin=0x0000000040e2dfc0, out_context=0x00000000416051e0, >> config=0x0000000040e19180) at flb_output.h:429:5 >> 426 params->th = th; >> 427 >> 428 FLB_TLS_SET(flb_libco_params, params); >> -> 429 co_switch(th->callee); >> 430 } >> 431 >> 432 static FLB_INLINE void output_pre_cb_flush(void) >> (lldb) p *th >> (flb_thread) $0 = { >> caller = 0x00000000406b2950 >> callee = 0x000000004169f640 >> data = 0xa5a5a5a5a5a5a5a5 >> cb_destroy = 0x0000000000000000 >> } >> (lldb) >> >> i guess the next question to answer is why is this out of bounds. i'm >> gonna poke around and see what i can learn today. >> >> > The value of th->callee should be a function, I think. That is just from a > cursory glance at libco. > > Good luck. interesting - so it looks like fluent-bit includes their own version of libco under lib/flb_libco.  i didn't observe any major differences from it's upstream via a cursory glance.  the included doc has this to say about co_switch(): void co_switch(cothread_t cothread) Switch to specified cothread. Null (0) or invalid cothread handle is not allowed. Passing handle of active cothread to this function is not allowed. looking through their flb_thread_libco.h file the implementation looks like this: #define flb_thread_return(th) co_switch(th->caller) static FLB_INLINE void flb_thread_resume(struct flb_thread *th) {     pthread_setspecific(flb_thread_key, (void *) th);     /*      * In the past we used to have a flag to mark when a coroutine      * has finished (th->ended == MK_TRUE), now we let the coroutine      * to submit an event to the event loop indicating what's going on      * through the call FLB_OUTPUT_RETURN(...).      *      * So we just swap context and let the event loop to handle all      * the cleanup required.      */     th->caller = co_active();     co_switch(th->callee); } the above code is old (from 2016) so i don't think that's the issue. thanks for your help on the Patrick - i suspect to make much more progress i'll need someone from the fluent-bit team to take a closer look as to what's happening. cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 16:51:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DA1466107 for ; 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FF Open: SYSTEM MEMORY SUMMARY: mem_used: 8104103936 ( 7728MB) [ 47%] Logically used memory mem_avail: + 9075765248 ( 8655MB) [ 52%] Logically available memory -------------- ------------ ----------- ------ mem_total: = 17179869184 ( 16384MB) [100%] Logically total memory After closing FF: SYSTEM MEMORY SUMMARY: mem_used: 2423656448 ( 2311MB) [ 14%] Logically used memory mem_avail: + 14756212736 ( 14072MB) [ 85%] Logically available memory -------------- ------------ ----------- ------ mem_total: = 17179869184 ( 16384MB) [100%] Logically total memory firefox-82.0.2,2 -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 17:16:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B08466FF2 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTglX2J54z4Slj for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTglL2n24zFmg8 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 09:16:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1604855790; bh=7Lgq2xL/b8yp/Ad9Prw7SzUmG7wz1/hmwuu6HOYS1gs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=RCH5GIwJRyMK++VYMpq94F87c6OE4U2GJ+EGGeP2cgSma+Ym7dNhSl1nzWufTr6TZ Fr+SuLtTURqdqcJHCKWiyecsctY25H9xo/UMFCLSlclL8jQe5nHhv3g6aakbOqKHW0 FKOkcMCzJUihWl4vPXdh/GPfsxbBYD8cLuEE/Htk= X-Riseup-User-ID: 1B2FFD124152901C61108CADF8C7B361845A0DF99A66F92EB09D275BC4EDFF20 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CTglK4gwCz8tqN for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 09:16:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:16:15 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage Message-ID: <20201108181615.3c9ce7f0@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTglX2J54z4Slj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=RCH5GIwJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 17:16:42 -0000 On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 13:51:43 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: >Has Firefox just become a major memory gobbler ? If I run Firefox (on Linux) with extensions and themes disabled and just one tab with the Google search engine opened, it's less resource hungry. Try safe-mode and just open something like Google. Maybe an add-on or a website is fishy. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pkill -9 firefox; free --mebi; firefox --safe-mode & sleep 20; free --mebi; firefox --version total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7850 1655 1991 71 4203 6046 Swap: 2064 101 1963 [1] 184131 total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7850 1934 1670 117 4245 5720 Swap: 2064 101 1963 Mozilla Firefox 82.0.2 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 17:17:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC797467045 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTgm35GQlz4SwD for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 7d334e80 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: Mario Lobo , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <907cd12d-9f9c-3d64-748e-71de64782ab6@nomadlogic.org> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 09:17:05 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTgm35GQlz4SwD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 17:17:08 -0000 On 11/8/20 8:51 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: > Hi; > > Has Firefox just become a major memory gobbler ? I've observed this as well.  I am not sure if it's just firefox or some of the webapp's i have to use for work (gsuite/google docs, atlassian and other javascript heavy sites). i can't even run slack in firefox as it slows down and eventually causes my system to start swapping. regardless i've been needing to restart firefox usually by midweek to get memory free'd up so the system doesn't go down. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 18:04:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863302D1456 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CThq304PCz4hMZ for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id o11so7539890ioo.11 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 10:04:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lGsbFASPOwfCzcuq63ZMJYLP9+iROKzsas9r+VLEn/E=; b=GM/r0jxCcfwe0R+kxbpvRuroencSEKH4P5tpyaPa3V968CFfDVoXVrksYBdU04kTqH Ly5U2ytal5LSd4H0eyn4Q5TQblvAFLdrR9YbAHg7kS6mioTQi6f63+h0/SuOnr9lLowy lCDYgHDqwiM97P+M/om7cLl3Nxq5T8kde/og8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=lGsbFASPOwfCzcuq63ZMJYLP9+iROKzsas9r+VLEn/E=; b=ORMXRUhbdd/jtf7JJ/lXaQ3xRpM/mmXDGcyqqdna0iMZ/SJFWN6UgcC6VSdmIdJp2X wvFPyJVIfMTn8fYsuZKxyB4jjaCTItRV/tL/oPxA07faIOnSMCI+fsEDZDOwiEsMzdAm au7clYWDTjoa6xkcrKI7YAyz+z+uR/uiv9Xb/mzrgLpattzhuenJOOWe36Gxe1j321dO yqPtwZLnp4yano++I8smcl4Lb0vAEhs18JP0QHsaqjwI2+9BiNmCPBjsZ6lRK0O2WeOu HFTZhhw2X2PSPTBqvO9uIzygmMLcPmJ/Y/h6RTdh9H4cNBz7+r9gtYpvJRvP97NHscz9 uwgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532vwe11uo8jm/6yF5/56u033j592vomzv8weH4Zew3aAFFtTpjD fvLo1fytDxTCyEu8/jNLMznjnEv0AVUmDSXEdizc4b8roO8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJykorB8zY3Jry6noAagtayUjxRCjOe3ruHRAQQ2989YiBui0b5avyvKsv+6UMsPv+ppWNH6xx0BmsNBG8kpkl4= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:be46:: with SMTP id o67mr7307332iof.133.1604858684353; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 10:04:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <907cd12d-9f9c-3d64-748e-71de64782ab6@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <907cd12d-9f9c-3d64-748e-71de64782ab6@nomadlogic.org> From: Mario Lobo Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 15:04:33 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CThq304PCz4hMZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=GM/r0jxC; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.854]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 18:04:48 -0000 On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 11/8/20 8:51 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: > > Hi; > > > > Has Firefox just become a major memory gobbler ? > > I've observed this as well. I am not sure if it's just firefox or some > of the webapp's i have to use for work (gsuite/google docs, atlassian > and other javascript heavy sites). > > i can't even run slack in firefox as it slows down and eventually causes > my system to start swapping. > > regardless i've been needing to restart firefox usually by midweek to > get memory free'd up so the system doesn't go down. > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > > Well .. I've always had several tabs opened and with versions 7x wasn't like this. It became like this with 8x versions. For the record, it doesn't consume this much right from the start. It starts at 1,5 G and within about 40 min open, it jumps to 5+ G, even if I don't touch it. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 18:28:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386EC2D1E3B for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x343.google.com (mail-ot1-x343.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::343]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTjLb3wnGz4jK2; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x343.google.com with SMTP id l36so6575679ota.4; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 10:28:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YkM3pwyU/3sB7CccXZUeoqheCMljglU4xhbhzZOT9fE=; b=L/urLN6T5waLEkUOg2x2sVwfHbh9xLZitpNf7N2ZqYmCUrDLiLjW5oEpdL9V9IA2/q KPmApGYprSjLUfpYHOyC0bkZNaeHwfHya3U1tfAHy1/pKHjSXq189/ppCzosI/O8oB4v euY4l74fPx9oUiUWrpW2oU8ryyjsRLOJFJ9+Ifb6wmITsgkvBk6t+O+T0hgFbvz3dL38 9LAiTiRIChnn5Bm+vHgiftTG2dGf31Ssw2PWaTAtw3BkhlXN1gqUFNQ8iY327KpGItgk VmmYFpWe9IZ6Rugn90EwfHHXksdLa+epIe2TfO0tkV2U7/a8UuonmyLLo3Ase70uPf26 cHmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YkM3pwyU/3sB7CccXZUeoqheCMljglU4xhbhzZOT9fE=; b=fqLpvx/oyGqHcL0aM+8yJIrZ0A5XdyszPDBxbN62rsyQYjdm/WPfyTl9Jph/ICj6mR UsiRzSV22BCojD76GKnoObI9eIB+bAr706m33kjoztAC6moWaT9bXTCwPQ08rA86S7LF 259maCB8SrF1xIjXU7RZjHbz6IEx2XTLEjYsHRtrC2nn7DKu3g2yFFrYytx/0lAoUoEI 1+JmdodR67VIG2bnzBxiOw/EmToeWogcwfRTQ7yQF8cgauHanq+NS8evJnM2up3LWi8f xzfNzBZiFx7Q3unFdFzdFLuIoIhK+02MwN5RJb2UW2GEXx0+tVTqTWRAnFphpL8rc3xG zM2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Yy1E3QlfwXA0lNbXtcXEsSQaYl8Zn2dIq1sBgvDbJtEpKmUQE DEMstacr/VXJbC63jC0M+XwlAH7AiIUZWQTguG0Bd1IX+YY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8bzFqQ1vBz0OUUPnlNH5rEiaIQ5YdyT568c3tTnbN5mypiBPD/9p5eoiobwsbLXm/efjh/0nZ807iX/l2A08= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1158:: with SMTP id x24mr5491532otq.331.1604860117320; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 10:28:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: William Dudley Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 13:28:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Bug 242729] mail/openwebmail generates lots of perl errors; some prevent it from working To: freebsd-questions , crees@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTjLb3wnGz4jK2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=L/urLN6T; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wfdudley@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::343 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wfdudley@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::343:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::343:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::343:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 18:28:40 -0000 I'll fix openwebmail errors. I've been doing it to my own installation for years. HOW do I submit fixes for openwebmail? It can't be harder than getting another webmail working. (Note: I'm not crapping up the bugzilla log for the original problem with this email.) Speaking of which: roundcube might be nice if it worked. Sadly, a fresh install fails DURING post-pkg-install setup, with this error: Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function filter_var() A google search finds that others are having this problem. The roundcube forum is apparently down, and a google cached copy of the relevant reply yields this nugget: "This function is part of php-filter extension which is usually enabled. You're the first person with this disabled/not-installed. I guess, we should mention that in the INSTALL file." (December 2019) Sadly, there is no such mention in INSTALL, and I haven't the faintest idea how to enable this thing. Freebsd pkg php74-filter is installed. Is this an Apache problem? A php problem? Beats me. So there's 60 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Bill Dudley =EF=BF=BC Logged This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:33 AM wrote: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D242729 > > --- Comment #2 from commit-hook@FreeBSD.org --- > A commit references this bug: > > Author: crees > Date: Sun Nov 8 13:33:04 UTC 2020 > New revision: 554462 > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/ports/554462 > > Log: > This software is unfortunately no longer developed > > It throws warnings because its syntax is dated, and there are several > alternatives. Most other distributions no longer include openwebmail. > > Try mail/roundcube instead for a modern and high-quality experience. > > PR: ports/242729 > > Changes: > head/mail/openwebmail/Makefile > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You reported the bug. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 20:45:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCC92D4C85 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 20:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTmNy2Mc9z4qK3 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 20:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.223] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 32848231 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 20:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <907cd12d-9f9c-3d64-748e-71de64782ab6@nomadlogic.org> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <2b179660-fcfb-c676-b030-bff6abfd48a4@nomadlogic.org> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 12:46:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTmNy2Mc9z4qK3 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 20:45:55 -0000 On 11/8/20 10:04 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Pete Wright wrote: > >> >> On 11/8/20 8:51 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: >>> Hi; >>> >>> Has Firefox just become a major memory gobbler ? >> I've observed this as well. I am not sure if it's just firefox or some >> of the webapp's i have to use for work (gsuite/google docs, atlassian >> and other javascript heavy sites). >> >> i can't even run slack in firefox as it slows down and eventually causes >> my system to start swapping. >> >> regardless i've been needing to restart firefox usually by midweek to >> get memory free'd up so the system doesn't go down. >> >> -pete >> >> -- >> Pete Wright >> pete@nomadlogic.org >> @nomadlogicLA >> >> > Well .. 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 22:52:50 -0000 what is more. something has changed in Xorg recently (1..2 year) that makes it less responsive..? especially when the CPU is consumed by stuff like Firefox sometimes i need to click one thing several times. like the input was polled by delays and not using interruptus. maybe evdev? i have i5 5gen cpu 8gb ram intel graphics. even when i used bare vesa framebuffer around 2010 it was not that bad. did anyone observe such issues? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 23:46 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > yuupp i even close it quite often and clean up tabs but my Atari was > faster :-( > > welcome to the brave new world where first better website is probably more > complex (in terms of frameworks and dependencies and memory footprint) than > the OS itself ;-) > > also ~80+ Firefox introduced some nasty ideas such as "profile downgrade > protection" so i can only imagine what kind of team took over the project > :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 23:02:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E3C2E0801 for ; 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([2600:1702:2771:1060:e23f:49ff:fe45:91e6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v8sm678665ooh.6.2020.11.08.15.02.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Nov 2020 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: Pete Wright , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <907cd12d-9f9c-3d64-748e-71de64782ab6@nomadlogic.org> <2b179660-fcfb-c676-b030-bff6abfd48a4@nomadlogic.org> From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" Message-ID: <0ace370f-804c-109a-c170-314aca953b39@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 15:02:31 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2b179660-fcfb-c676-b030-bff6abfd48a4@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTqQm2Wcyz3FFS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kYENWKq/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jguojun@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jguojun@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 23:02:41 -0000 On 2020-11-08 12:46, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 11/8/20 10:04 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Pete Wright wrote: >> >>> >>> On 11/8/20 8:51 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: >>>> Hi; >>>> >>>> Has Firefox just become a major memory gobbler ? >>> I've observed this as well.  I am not sure if it's just firefox or some >>> of the webapp's i have to use for work (gsuite/google docs, atlassian >>> and other javascript heavy sites). >>> >>> i can't even run slack in firefox as it slows down and eventually >>> causes >>> my system to start swapping. >>> >>> regardless i've been needing to restart firefox usually by midweek to >>> get memory free'd up so the system doesn't go down. >>> >>> -pete >>> >>> -- >>> Pete Wright >>> pete@nomadlogic.org >>> @nomadlogicLA >>> >>> >> Well .. I've always had several tabs opened  and with versions 7x wasn't >> like this. >> >> It became like this with 8x versions. > %100 agree - i have observed that as well. > > -p > In my observation, the 47 was a lightweight and stable version. Since it does not handle new features, new browser is needed. 5x starts chewing more memory when loading certain pages on both FreeBSD and Linux. 54-57 seem having a bug that can take Nx100% CPU when loading some pages (consume all cores). Not used any 6x, but when upgrading to 7x, Firefox starts slower, and 8x starts even slower. The latest Chrome starts slow as well. Not clear if this is related to new web features, Xorg, or browsers. -Jin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 8 23:19:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53B42E0940 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 23:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hmurray@megapathdsl.net) Received: from ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net [64.139.1.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CTqpL0NwQz3Fwx for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 23:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hmurray@megapathdsl.net) Received: from shuksan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A39640605C; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 15:19:30 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: Tomasz CEDRO cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , hmurray@megapathdsl.net From: Hal Murray Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage In-Reply-To: Message from Tomasz CEDRO of "Sun, 08 Nov 2020 23:52:36 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 15:19:30 -0800 Message-Id: <20201108231930.8A39640605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTqpL0NwQz3Fwx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hmurray@megapathdsl.net has no SPF policy when checking 64.139.1.69) smtp.mailfrom=hmurray@megapathdsl.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[64.139.1.69:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[megapathdsl.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[64.139.1.69:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4565, ipnet:64.139.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 23:19:38 -0000 tomek@cedro.info said: > what is more. something has changed in Xorg recently (1..2 year) that makes > it less responsive..? Somewhere in the past year or 3, Firefox started calling home to see if the host you are about to connect to is on their phishing and malware list. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-malware-protection-w ork It's an option. There is a way to enable/disable it in their preferences stuff. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 00:01:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE5E2E184C for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 00:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CTrkF5m73z3HgP for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 00:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:6e3c:fecb:5ddc:915b:67ba:6525] (unknown [172.58.62.174]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 236944E6A7; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:01:09 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:01:07 -0600 Cc: Mario Lobo , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <496048F5-98C2-44AE-AFF1-35243648BA8F@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: To: Tomasz CEDRO X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTrkF5m73z3HgP X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [10.61 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.62.174:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.62.174:received]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_CSS(4.00)[172.58.62.174:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 00:01:10 -0000 > On Nov 8, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >=20 > yuupp i even close it quite often and clean up tabs but my Atari was = faster > :-( >=20 > welcome to the brave new world where first better website is probably = more > complex (in terms of frameworks and dependencies and memory footprint) = than > the OS itself ;-) >=20 The worst parts about today=E2=80=99s websites is: they are not = self-sufficient. You go the a website and your browser goes to up to a = dozen different places collecting some scripts from one, some images = from another, some =E2=80=A6. you name it. Not to mention mighty bog = brother google (=E2=80=9Canalytics=E2=80=9D)... In the past it was considered a bad practice to force browser of your = visitor go to some places outside of your website/ URL /domain. Valeri > also ~80+ Firefox introduced some nasty ideas such as "profile = downgrade > protection" so i can only imagine what kind of team took over the = project > :-) >=20 > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 00:04:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872252E1E68 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 00:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CTrpH2LjFz3JWW for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 00:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.62.190]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6326A4E67E; Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:54:39 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20201108231930.8A39640605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 17:54:37 -0600 Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8147520B-1173-4443-8E26-D181D8A27DF0@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20201108231930.8A39640605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> To: Hal Murray X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTrpH2LjFz3JWW X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.62.190:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.62.190:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.990]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 00:04:40 -0000 > On Nov 8, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Hal Murray = wrote: >=20 >=20 > tomek@cedro.info said: >> what is more. something has changed in Xorg recently (1..2 year) that = makes >> it less responsive..?=20 >=20 > Somewhere in the past year or 3, Firefox started calling home to see = if the=20 > host you are about to connect to is on their phishing and malware = list. >=20 > = https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-malware-protect= ion-w > ork >=20 > It's an option. The nasty part is it is =E2=80=9Copt-out=E2=80=9D stile of option, = pretty much as majority of options that are set by default in = mozilla=E2=80=99s creatures. Any time I am configuring firefox I have to = turn off pretty much all that is on by default. The worst part hit me just recently: if you give firefox URL: = http://[site], and [site] doesn=E2=80=99t listen to port 80, firefox = without saying a word just gives you: https://[site]. It stopped being = a tool that can be used by people (like me) who sometimes need to deal = with problems. But I still didn=E2=80=99t find acceptable replacement for firefox and = thunderbird. Valeri > There is a way to enable/disable it in their preferences=20 > stuff. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > These are my opinions. I hate spam. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 04:29:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730062E6F1F for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 04:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CTyhG3Lhhz3mRg for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 04:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.5.255]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MdNwm-1k2dzf1Wvw-00ZMqn; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 05:29:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:29:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Mario Lobo , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage Message-Id: <20201109052945.6fcfaf70.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:U/WZo7DJBPJgnKVSngjNEa5r2TljZX/QwJkXM8Kg3zDnVayzIBl 8fgqdaofkHdg9ziU5tLPRGV5CDSZFMGz533gl1C7pfW+vPe1/9zZeA1jOSA1o1yciDIHEqA WHEtyAQbTygoUbPIy7Ztu1Xk9eOn2384luc2librBnRILYUlQVswUOiXGksyHF3hOt0PkXM ivd7wYcXNSbalANk/LqhQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lvG56wdklNc=:3SifRR9EcdK99WIgnC0nHY y9j4u0sxRaeMjCaHjLgYOrFcd43lXpdqgT2J+37QiAVT/DtHNMyNtx83/1KlAa+wSpWL7qO4h 6DbQKE944drdP9YetHrB2kwE2EvFJlO/30zHnzRX6eDzCLrTIwbI2aq1+OI53dvnr9vxkLif9 /4nDy1o/wVpsCqytAAMdp6NCXWCyPBUuVmDluN5PDL0wD88IrxUlK5wCHWfmi1dvUq4OJz/Ix PQihyRpbMV4XKUwoUxsSWMBKgrwvOYm5xme4HcbFqKUveyuWzQWhehtBodumriDGKvn+HlT6O uQ2j+vtDF1UvXsQJXD7tDBP8O1RRTIS5c5Ecoc6eyRbR36QegeIEsbwV6W8666vIN2L78uIMK jOUHYQQaJdsFYCu+U0Vxu8QKJ0CBkmYAi+CA0OtLiMrrmVqMGyJmd1iMdCsXr X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CTyhG3Lhhz3mRg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.56 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.956]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.5.255:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 04:29:51 -0000 On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 23:46:06 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > yuupp i even close it quite often and clean up tabs but my Atari was faster > :-( > > welcome to the brave new world where first better website is probably more > complex (in terms of frameworks and dependencies and memory footprint) than > the OS itself ;-) Don't confuse modern web browser with "programs that display web pages" - their complexity is like a whole operating system, as they share concepts and implementation of those. That is the _first_ complexity - and on top, as you mentioned, is the _second_ complexity of websites taking advantage of all that power: primarily JS, its many frameworks, external resources and dependencies, lots of local computation and storage. It's quite funny that all the disadvantages associated with "Flash" now have become even more significant with JS. Many years ago, I tried opening 70+ tabs in Opera with "Flash", each one playing some video. That was on a dual-core machine with 2 GB RAM. With the 75th tab open, swapping started, but Opera still was responsive (albeit sluggish), so I could close the tabs, and system came back to normal. Funny thing: It seemed to be more I/O load than CPU load, and looked like this (copied from a terminal - yes, this was still possible): 1 [|||| 7.9%] Tasks: 73, 0 thr; 1 running 2 [| 2.6%] Load average: 0.38 0.70 0.42 Mem[|||||||||||||||||||1601/1990MB] Uptime: 00:52:33 Swp[||||| 275/2047MB] Now try _that_ today - with today's resource-intensive websites, with today's resource-intensive web browsers. Use a recent PC, put 64 GB RAM in them. Probably you won't even reach 50 tabs open... :-) > also ~80+ Firefox introduced some nasty ideas such as "profile downgrade > protection" so i can only imagine what kind of team took over the project > :-) Combine this with "use our online services and store your stuff in our cloud"-mentality... "our customers"... yes, definitely what I want from a "simple" program that displays web pages... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[90.156.31.193]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v9sm1663466lfb.203.2020.11.09.00.08.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 09 Nov 2020 00:08:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 09:07:03 +0100 From: Serpent7776 To: Polytropon Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , Mario Lobo , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage Message-ID: <20201109090703.4642059f@DaemONX> In-Reply-To: <20201109052945.6fcfaf70.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20201109052945.6fcfaf70.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CV3Xh02Bqz4RrS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ouvqpgiX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of serpent7776@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=serpent7776@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12e:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12e:from]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 08:08:37 -0000 On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:29:45 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > > 1 [|||| 7.9%] Tasks: 73, 0 thr; 1 running > 2 [| 2.6%] Load average: 0.38 0.70 0.42 > Mem[|||||||||||||||||||1601/1990MB] Uptime: 00:52:33 > Swp[||||| 275/2047MB] > > Now try _that_ today - with today's resource-intensive > websites, with today's resource-intensive web browsers. > Use a recent PC, put 64 GB RAM in them. Probably you won't > even reach 50 tabs open... :-) Seems I'm alone here with not having much issues with running firefox. Currently I have *two* instances running with total of ~60 tabs (with lazy loading tho, not all tabs fully loaded) and also qutebrowser with 18 tabs. This is my current cpu/mem usage: 103 processes: 1 running, 102 sleeping CPU: 27.0% user, 0.0% nice, 1.6% system, 0.6% interrupt, 70.8% idle Mem: 3157M Active, 3341M Inact, 563M Laundry, 1011M Wired, 490M Buf, 3855M Free Swap: 14G Total, 14G Free Never seen swapping caused by firefox. Some of the opened tabs are: slack, discord, rocket chat, twitter, linkedIn. Tho only extensions I use are uBlock origin, Disconnect and vimium. Also not using any desktop env, only herbstluftwm. I'm still on 11.4-RELEASE-p4. -- /* * Serpent7776 */ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 11:25:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9A82EEFA0 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 11:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ed1-x52a.google.com (mail-ed1-x52a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CV7vv46x2z4fyR for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 11:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ed1-x52a.google.com with SMTP id p93so8313541edd.7 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 03:25:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5bncISe4a8iHcfWtk7DErMQrhNU0+a++pdCykWAv1Fk=; b=LMh/Eph6fxRrEzBGLZJU6PdSZknJh0vhE9Ngm5w6D4xrYuLpIbrIKRSKx5qN46SutX nXW7wEOduBy7PSpUIfVh0j0LzONxh8AnBAGRiPFLf29WdoydE8/bENC8gnGz9JfODcUB 128c1qckx90dOAAQIh9UzzWrXeZNIigq0K5CAx6Db+/4iaqQaA6qeEqUcIi93/xhsgve iHxWIbq1xiqtEhmTCf4qAsTst/acJwDRQjiuVbix18lMoERH6jBOi6ubphaVFpEeB+Ph 8qUBzz65NkTIPPhQVLbrGJGTZaHum/36quo5JReXCDhh5eig5jpp9iPkzgiQWdpqGWiZ CjYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5bncISe4a8iHcfWtk7DErMQrhNU0+a++pdCykWAv1Fk=; b=ib0+aVsatAAQEijTthpZK6i+xrPPb9SZAXGqUcmKvBlhqWtEKPeEaoydcN/7OCCtpm giudnVrPIsTxXngE1xk2t09GdbbptRSB/yW9h+RFfB9acdsVVK1Perwn6YSwPtDQK+hE ceAncxkOp4XZmxD4RXvPOKyQPlaA1nJeAri3MiLm9VhCuEaMoib8o+BN/elBGagMHOA9 J1C3OK0pX2vtjyyCCSZ4pXI79WKe3NVQOkEB/oBNM3dnfcvSCzVRhfWv3rccgN7xBKYD FXnNpcJxaMDG4wTCVpzLl6B5jaEKK3fkHlYaBaV7bcqvjIZK80DaAW9B0YvgMhosff3g yqqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531dtbBNt38rOE6Q9mtAd6cL0yPLzvsvwgm/jk0j281iSpfaXa3i Zm3DMCqprOjr7D9R+7q7EB1kI47Qd2Jvyb3isyLkjw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYl3zbghfYhYFMuVPi4gUDMMTH/oozKnq2xijfswRnh+/GDJHe4m7dvl6R9pcClwnWAFz5YJdipINce51iMQ4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1042:: with SMTP id e2mr15209725edu.320.1604921128585; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 03:25:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201109052945.6fcfaf70.freebsd@edvax.de> <20201109090703.4642059f@DaemONX> In-Reply-To: <20201109090703.4642059f@DaemONX> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 12:25:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: Serpent7776 Cc: Polytropon , Mario Lobo , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CV7vv46x2z4fyR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=LMh/Eph6; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::52a) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52a:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52a:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 11:25:32 -0000 On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 9:08 AM Serpent7776 wrote: > Never seen swapping caused by firefox. Some of the opened tabs are: slack, > discord, rocket chat, twitter, linkedIn. Tho only extensions I use are uBlock > origin, Disconnect and vimium. Also not using any desktop env, only > herbstluftwm. > > I'm still on 11.4-RELEASE-p4. I am not sure where did the change come from and what is the change exactly but modern computers and OSes are less responsive than 10 or 20 years ago. Maybe it is the switch between 11 and 12. I was using macOS since 2013 and all was fine until somewhere around 2017 I noticed those responsiveness lags. Like the input mechanisms was changed, interrupts replaced with polling (it seems like that from an electronics perspective). The computer seemed slow and I did not like enforcing changes, so I have moved to FreeBSD for good also on my desktop. But for some time it also get "the same way slow" here on FreeBSD. Is it something with memory management or task scheduling that changed substantially around 11 or 12 in FreeBSD? Can I change that? Maybe the way input is handled changed? Maybe this is Intel hardware sharing resources between CPU and GPU so when CPU gets buty all system gets laggy.. very slight changes like milliseconds but disturbing the closed feedback loop of interaction missing clicks etc. The hardware is the same but the experience is far worse with time. I also work on a desktop based FreeBSD workstation with AMD CPU and RADEON GPU also the Enlightenment WM and I can see no impact like this in preformance-vs-experience. There is a 16GB of RAM in a desktop pc instead 8GB as in a laptop pc but the laptop has M2 SSD and 20GB of swap. Swap is on a separate dedicated partition. All ZFS is ELI encrypted. I have no fun of working on this machine anymore and I don't really need to buy a new machine just to get things running smoothly. For working compiling and calculations I have a dedicated machine with 24CPU and 128GB RAM. These are not the basic hardware requirements for modern desktop everyday tasks OS right? Best regards :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 14:18:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019D8464C35 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mouf.net (mouf.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:4400:216:3eff:fe69:33b3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mouf.net", Issuer "mouf.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVCkv6D8Wz4sfc for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from lrrr.mouf.net (cpe-76-182-16-135.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.16.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by mouf.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id 0A9EHjEJ024171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:17:51 GMT (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: Mario Lobo , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Steve Wills Message-ID: <20f8fdce-7867-7805-c3b9-2b49abb5b62a@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 09:17:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mouf.net [199.48.129.64]); Mon, 09 Nov 2020 14:17:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=4.5 tests=KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS, NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mouf.net X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mouf.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVCkv6D8Wz4sfc X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 14:18:01 -0000 I find something along the lines of: limits -m 8g -v 8g firefox helps a lot. Steve On 11/8/20 11:51 AM, Mario Lobo wrote: > Hi; > > Has Firefox just become a major memory gobbler ? > > FF Open: > > SYSTEM MEMORY SUMMARY: > mem_used: 8104103936 ( 7728MB) [ 47%] Logically used memory > mem_avail: + 9075765248 ( 8655MB) [ 52%] Logically available memory > -------------- ------------ ----------- ------ > mem_total: = 17179869184 ( 16384MB) [100%] Logically total memory > > After closing FF: > > SYSTEM MEMORY SUMMARY: > mem_used: 2423656448 ( 2311MB) [ 14%] Logically used memory > mem_avail: + 14756212736 ( 14072MB) [ 85%] Logically available memory > -------------- ------------ ----------- ------ > mem_total: = 17179869184 ( 16384MB) [100%] Logically total memory > > firefox-82.0.2,2 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 14:19:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9557464DD9 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [85.215.255.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVCmQ6Kwvz4ssv for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1604931555; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=laverenz.de; h=In-Reply-To:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=DNklBdmhvA2jVYGIgQGptD21EK5r1gMnY59f9b8bX9Q=; b=NWPXrw7vX+9Z9Z2wHypbeXKPLFVIsU9u9qp5iQDkRBiNs7wmWPnk7TQ3v1sr0AQrd2 3CDh4N4DuGdYCCIVV0zQ7MbzdNSr1SLNcBNLrg78v77s1/D4uL0pJ8Zud9MYH7LJX5na hikmxPYapuu453GVElt44fOWvd+5/Ov36CLuZ6CM1GWPbXciT7A5F5ry6Rw5y2VTXts2 ReVNCm2wXe48Ce8VmoHkScenxBcowuarhP/1K3WPWfbszavHnCeTTlHZoks/GNRrKGF8 2If1AZ2meTrf9Fm8sNFmShPYm5SvNR1Ds9eF7/eEiKTKkEC5tpwdo21CrxUSX7SDF6tB jB8A== X-RZG-AUTH: ":OXsBVUypbfpT6qxpIFUXA72d7llIsX3z+WHwYj8H6IbCIawpmk4RBvMpjs6eeBclb4A=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from [10.0.32.158] by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 47.3.3 AUTH) with ESMTPSA id D053fcwA9EJF7ZL (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:19:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201109052945.6fcfaf70.freebsd@edvax.de> <20201109090703.4642059f@DaemONX> From: Uwe Laverenz Organization: private site Message-ID: <0489c069-c4d9-ab63-69fc-dcd0b5be9133@laverenz.de> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:19:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVCmQ6Kwvz4ssv X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=laverenz.de header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=NWPXrw7v; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of uwe@laverenz.de has no SPF policy when checking 85.215.255.22) smtp.mailfrom=uwe@laverenz.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.56 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[85.215.255.22:from]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[laverenz.de:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.263]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[85.215.255.22:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:85.215.255.0/24, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[laverenz.de:s=strato-dkim-0002]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[laverenz.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[85.215.255.22:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.215.255.22:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 14:19:20 -0000 Hi, Am 09.11.20 um 12:25 schrieb Tomasz CEDRO: > I also work on a desktop based FreeBSD workstation with AMD CPU and > RADEON GPU also the Enlightenment WM and I can see no impact like this > in preformance-vs-experience. Maybe the slowdowns you see on Intel CPUs are due to the many fixes that became necessary because of the spectre an meltdown side-channel problems. AFAIK Intel CPUs are affected more than AMD CPUs. cu, Uwe From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 15:40:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA394664AC for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:40:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVFYZ4v10z3DSG for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54B099B5 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:39:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SLdKCEfJ3-qd for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 60DEC99A2; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1604936381; bh=pUyuPPtSgRTKxElggtm7N2QLtMDRcWZxtwtL93Wpc1A=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=NvfpKLN89Vkdv8BGnUWW0/bJA8C4jKPIjVSB3cqY6UIfQej5qpJVMBY+V7OsJY4/O 5EOASOs4tJgInXwGlebr2NzvUocXgxXEmxYYDD2cjDhGx+CMt0F322chM5AvWScZkO E32Pg6kdnY/bTPGJL5SOV+ZhArQEbkPr2v8yYkJY= Received: from mithril.localdomain (unknown [IPv6:2a01:cb10:8e64:fe00:4aa4:72ff:fe9e:65a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C8309999 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:39:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1604936379; bh=pUyuPPtSgRTKxElggtm7N2QLtMDRcWZxtwtL93Wpc1A=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=Br8R1004N4C6nW047DJxc7bt7vSWJHQoURlrecMR2J9aQlIVi6hJMaj55g/NCEqE4 anYNOlF+RP+i67L9+FbNgi542r9C9NPnyKjsA3EioIVcCyQzdCtVuwVBlvRp5n1Y4q 7Z02wcvSVNf+j1J/Hq/gDgRA00cxXMAoqyFzCTbk= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC0768217 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:39:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:39:38 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Sound issue Message-ID: <20201109153938.GA81006@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVFYZ4v10z3DSG X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=NvfpKLN8; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=Br8R1004; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 15:40:03 -0000 Hello folks, I use a Lenovo Thinkpad X280 with FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE, i3wm as window manager, and I can't have a satifaying sound system. I installed Virtual OpenSound. I could have sound with caja, sometimes with firefx, but never with iridum or vlc. I cannot find an up to date tutorial :-( my /boot/loader.conf is very simple for sound part: hw.snd.latency=7 snd_hda_load="YES" On /etc/rc.conf: virtual_oss_enable="YES" and in /etc/syctl.conf: hw.snd.default_auto=1 dev.hdac.0.polling=1 Did someboy succeded to have working wound with interneal laptop sound system and jack plugged headset? Each time a have an online meeting my sound is over. Very annonying. 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MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 15:56:02 -0000 Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello folks, > > I use a Lenovo Thinkpad X280 with FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE, i3wm as window > manager, and I can't have a satifaying sound system. > > I installed Virtual OpenSound. I could have sound with caja, sometimes with > firef¤x, but never with iridum or vlc. Why? > I cannot find an up to date tutorial :-( > > my /boot/loader.conf is very simple for sound part: > > hw.snd.latency=7 Why? > snd_hda_load="YES" Not needed, snd_hda is in GENERIC. > On /etc/rc.conf: > > virtual_oss_enable="YES" Why? > and in /etc/syctl.conf: > hw.snd.default_auto=1 > dev.hdac.0.polling=1 Why? > Did someboy succeded to have working wound with interneal laptop sound system > and jack plugged headset? > > Each time a have an online meeting my sound is over. Very annonying. Sorry, but you have only described what you did, but not the problem you are trying to solve. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 16:22:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D014676E7 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVGVj4WPLz3Hb1 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:22:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE119A29 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:22:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w61NZksjGiVX for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id CE0EF9A07; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:22:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1604938941; bh=WlhRt3375Ue/GcTjNzJRui5Qqi7aPtOpB3BGrCEQ2zk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=tweHAiP9o1M0N3iqF+QOtATyUbMxxu/+JyFB+i0HnUVl4T6B4sb3BWvvYVzuB7N5+ 9SFfO2wizin8cL0HrLGWMzkhs7uuFnzqLOuaTnTsLWcfCxOpi0GpQsYPURxLn/aJGs n2SMr/9AQkwv232tE2yWMR4Gk6ZkUWy0qgWu6yl8= Received: from mithril.localdomain (unknown [IPv6:2a01:cb10:8e64:fe00:ea6a:64ff:fe07:95a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5769899FF; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:22:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1604938939; bh=WlhRt3375Ue/GcTjNzJRui5Qqi7aPtOpB3BGrCEQ2zk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=X8WzDMUH11RisS6B5RaiyBeINasUysr1jmMWkFcO0Zod0khk8ALOWHOhhJRr++ScX 656V3yAGeFIZMXk39p/XwblJghlSB13i3NqppkPdOOpXKqoGktxXqxJQWt8wyyVCRi C1tQTj462RdsQZrlWNNrYE+mfBMNa2I84YdgrzOE= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89506680AF; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 17:22:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 17:22:18 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: Yuri Pankov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound issue Message-ID: <20201109162218.GB81006@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: Yuri Pankov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201109153938.GA81006@mithril> <97acc95c-a7c7-28d3-577b-e1f210b24be4@xsmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <97acc95c-a7c7-28d3-577b-e1f210b24be4@xsmail.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVGVj4WPLz3Hb1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=tweHAiP9; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=X8WzDMUH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[xsmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 16:22:38 -0000 Le lundi 09 nov. 2020 à 18:46:12 (+0300), Yuri Pankov à écrit: > Jacques Foucry wrote: > > Hello folks, > > > > I use a Lenovo Thinkpad X280 with FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE, i3wm as window > > manager, and I can't have a satifaying sound system. > > > > I installed Virtual OpenSound. I could have sound with caja, sometimes with > > firef¤x, but never with iridum or vlc. > > Why? Because it seems to be toe correct way as I read in many websites/forums‥ > > > I cannot find an up to date tutorial :-( > > > > my /boot/loader.conf is very simple for sound part: > > > > hw.snd.latency=7 > > Why? See belong. > > > snd_hda_load="YES" > > Not needed, snd_hda is in GENERIC. Ok I will remove it. ` > > > On /etc/rc.conf: > > > > virtual_oss_enable="YES" > >Why? See belong. > > > and in /etc/syctl.conf: > > hw.snd.default_auto=1 > > dev.hdac.0.polling=1 > > Why? … > > > Did someboy succeded to have working wound with interneal laptop sound system > > and jack plugged headset? > > > > Each time a have an online meeting my sound is over. Very annonying. > > Sorry, but you have only described what you did, but not the problem you > are trying to solve. Well, I try to use correctly, without random issues, good sound on each side, my jack plugged headset it order to listen to music, see videos form many sources (YT, peertube, vlc,…) and participate to online meetings by earring each participant and be eared by each participant. Btw, my /dev/sndstat is: Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default pcm1: (rec) pcm2: (play) Installed devices from userspace: dsp: (play/rec) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 16:50:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6545468014 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVH736Ptkz3Jlp for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVH6p1kDgzFpNq for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 08:50:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1604940631; bh=8wNqoqrORB8oXXxBqLMNFzdsgBWXQd77u56BO9l2m7s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=cmuC+tYG6fOyCplD6oOzuN21PIjHnACPMfeW+2sUgL9a12J3caiyGiZuHSr4nI+Kr HEAsNNG3DDIzzMETKA9uH4P2U7vOx1rQ5K4f+sNrJ8lElC/wMd/k23UyVWOq5TEx+P Y1qo6IVIQqKraZNPOxTYAI72EINLQyGsR4UsCi74= X-Riseup-User-ID: 565C28F826461E46B50CF9AD55B993382A5D2ABFD85033B1A0A65E486EF65C34 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CVH6n5XD3z8ty6 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 08:50:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 17:50:18 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage Message-ID: <20201109175018.2eb98d36@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <0489c069-c4d9-ab63-69fc-dcd0b5be9133@laverenz.de> References: <20201109052945.6fcfaf70.freebsd@edvax.de> <20201109090703.4642059f@DaemONX> <0489c069-c4d9-ab63-69fc-dcd0b5be9133@laverenz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVH736Ptkz3Jlp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=cmuC+tYG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 16:50:41 -0000 On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:19:15 +0100, Uwe Laverenz wrote: >Maybe the slowdowns you see on Intel CPUs are due to the many fixes >that became necessary because of the spectre an meltdown side-channel >problems. AFAIK Intel CPUs are affected more than AMD CPUs. I don't think so, more likely X11 and GTK related issues might be culprits. OTOH a lot of issues didn't happen before Meltdown and Spectre _and_ just disabling all mitigations not necessarily brings back old fast paths. Due to the mitigations Linux lost probably one or the other fast path, but it seems not to have that much impact on resources or performance. The mitigations seem to be mostly provided by the kernel, not by the microcode, so it indeed could be different on FreeBSD. However, some Intel and X users experience issues with new Linux kernels, that are seemingly related to the graphics driver. If I'm using a Linux kernel 5+ and launch Firefox, then the graphics does freeze for several seconds and the machine is unresponsive for this seconds. Other experience crashes that force them to reboot. This issue does effect other software, too, but Firefox is most prone to cause this issue on my machione. I stay with Linux 4+ to get rid of this issue. There's still another X related issue common on some Linux machines. Apps tend to crash all the times with `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost'. Mostly GTK2 apps are affected and often migrating to a GTK3 branch of the same app solves the issue, but sometimes it happens to GTK3 apps, too. Too funny, I planed to completely migrate to FreeBSD to get rid of those new Linux issues, but seemingly it's all the same when using FreeBSD. OTOH I'm not surprised, since when opening a GTK3 app even on the fastest, modern computers, the window shows the GTK widgets first as visible black boxes, it's at least noticeable as a kind of flash. Btw. I migrated from AMD to Linux a while back, since all my machines were AMD and a PITA, at least for pro-audio usage. With my Intel machine I got rid of most, if not all issues, but a while ago upstream step by step does introduce new issues. To some extend it's better when using proprietary software on iPadOS. By paying upstream does remove one bug by another and serious bugs usually don't last for long. Upstream of gratis FLOSS software often tends to put the blame on other and then to close a bug report. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 9 20:40:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA29546CBFD for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 20:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVNDd19Psz3rsD for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 20:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 0A9Kefa2061358 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:40:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 0A9Kee2F061357; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:40:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:40:40 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: matti k Cc: questions list Subject: Re: Ran gpart bootcode ... now system won't boot Message-ID: <20201109204040.GD22730@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20201106203524.GB22730@rancor.immure.com> <20201106220747.GC22730@rancor.immure.com> <20201107143745.110b5059@ws1.wobblyboot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201107143745.110b5059@ws1.wobblyboot.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVNDd19Psz3rsD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.77 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[108.84.10.9:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.026]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[108.84.10.9:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 20:40:50 -0000 Well, I wound up having to reinstall my system since the BIOS didn't recognize the drive as being bootable following the gpart bootcode update. I'm going to be extremely nervous about ever running that command again. Bob On Sat, Nov 07, 2020 at 02:37:45PM +1100, matti k wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 16:07:47 -0600 > Bob Willcox wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 02:35:25PM -0600, Bob Willcox wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I believe I just hosed up one of my systems to the point that it no > > > longer can boot. I updated my zroot zfs pool following an uprade of > > > the system from 12.1-stable to 12.2-stable. When I did the 'zpool > > > upgrad zroot' it prompted me to run this command: > > > > > > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 > > > > > > So, I adjusted the command to be this since my root is on an nvme > > > drive: > > > > > > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 nvd0 > > > > > > That ran ok (no errors) however when I now try to boot the system > > > it drops into BIOS claiming that there is no boot disk. > > > > > > So, can anyone tell me what I did wrong here and how can I recover > > > from it? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Bob > > > > I noticed that I likely used the wrong index value, 1, when I ran the > > command as I doubt that that is correct for my drive. I'm not sure > > since I haven't been able to boot the system from a thumb drive yet > > (work getting in the way), but will be doing that. Is it likely that > > updating the wrong partion (wrond index) would cause the BIOS to not > > find a boot drive? > > > > Thanks, > > Bob > > Hi Bob > > Is it booting to a mountroot prompt? > > I had a similar issue after upgrading 12.1-RELEASE to 12.2-RELEASE > using freebsd-update > > It would boot to a mountroot prompt more times than not, you can just > hit the return key at the mountroot and it will reboot > > I did try upgrading the motherboard (AsRock) BIOS and the bootcode > using zpool upgrade zroot but this did not help - in my case value 1 is > efi and value 2 is freebsd-boot so used 2 > > What did fix it was going into BIOS setup and changing the first boot > device from UEFI to the NVMe drive (basically stopped using UEFI boot) > > Cheers, > Matti -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. 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It's a command that seems to be installed by default in Linux, do you know where I can get it for FreeBSD? TIA, Olivier -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 10 07:31:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720952E555E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c50007434d6e.3e378826d3cf8ecb7531c9e873bc98b2@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVfgM3qLSz3Dl4 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c50007434d6e.3e378826d3cf8ecb7531c9e873bc98b2@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1604993478; x=1607585478; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=VXK/+501KYqWB/XiA+DnFZevUT1YLkAeFCVjKHJQpNQ=; b=EN541zkDE5sS6j6Iy+irc/5uAkmptdXgZJb6GOJzXSDI3ZagHPZlNJNt0/QgUEngpTznFzha5saiaw9J+bCzn2cEImvbdFycO8h9AzUkpZ5kaLPx9x0nyDL+VuhRXqijjjqymGtBvi+nfGnf2PJT9nqLqpzzqu+WG1hW2Bhaj4c= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjNTAwMDc0MzRkNmUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 10 Nov 2020 02:31:16 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 10 Nov 2020 02:30:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1kcO7d-000OLd-8w; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:31:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:31:20 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Olivier Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Socket Statistics Message-Id: <20201110073120.23a3a4ed671330429663b02c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVfgM3qLSz3Dl4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=EN541zkD; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c50007434d6e.3e378826d3cf8ecb7531c9e873bc98b2@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c50007434d6e.3e378826d3cf8ecb7531c9e873bc98b2@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c50007434d6e.3e378826d3cf8ecb7531c9e873bc98b2@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c50007434d6e.3e378826d3cf8ecb7531c9e873bc98b2@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:31:28 -0000 On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:25:29 +0700 Olivier wrote: > Hello, > > I am playing with a product needs the sommand socket statitics (ss). Is that anything like sockstat ? If so you'll find it in the base system. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 10 07:34:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590842E5C81 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x433.google.com (mail-pf1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVflN2Hbgz3F72 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x433.google.com with SMTP id e7so10600964pfn.12 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 23:34:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Rf5e1ePzNJvwTOTRujgTZZvwOogTREzF0aH3brW0Bbs=; b=LY2pZdE6HYPoXvNGjSSmaSjWPIkjETLx1j3xBL0ro4tU5r+QCn0IwYr1BfDPnaVnzy jESAFDRQfFIKjIBf1RFrytiWMf6BibfiwwsRMT1PNx+jifpzO8Ti2tCxiQij02ti1Jbz 2TGAcKNnLNgHysVRbkBrm+KUORBRrSeC0n+Xa87h+kbYTN51ZLvGPY7yQvrXQ40xQcUw 6fR029/jhzRcqDWhwz13HsuK1bJEi6iP4+mLcsnnl3PBwAAkEGikT1CevVuhs5jsCWxk 1c/SSb5cc3rSCBpkiCrVUyKIKgjLdsaSsF6WDFco+SCxDV5RLTHLbb5IJHC5D/1Vgjqy BH9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Rf5e1ePzNJvwTOTRujgTZZvwOogTREzF0aH3brW0Bbs=; b=m0P/7O4P7qrhzvCklHayd+wVJkXMwrnuXiPMPdGmM9Sr7qwIpXmRBOTwc42NWGnBCg aFEnxHeOZgxdvtAdAH5FGLMIPuO3DEY0e0ds0c60Yd7IQoGYzrWIkHpQYBFgR0YcSMxn oG4hnA06um/bI2+1yhy96waPsbCoOGKrgPfF8qN4UA/nN2bxsjUBeq2khYDcHdVfgBUY a7d59PjrIYBf2rHC+zN6MWIVnTDRCUDEqutbSfZhaa7JlpkPo/ZSe2KAvT71JfPIjXNS f192g73bLlEM2iHzbkOpoO/quUdoAFRUHZHAHnU5Jozo8F34+GVcYdd5gEnFOARqK21J 8d6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533L2G7fZWHJq2BHKd5T9HQPF3IdBhihPX2zUQZ41cdpdTJvhstJ nyjURcl12dWaAlmsAMoYnWwPsUYMTrTSE841x8LnPWB+TmGM X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxtd4qjtDCghc+TBDlPNHOMjuvOUgJdBSBCZEg4DR3qkye1jKxTYOVSf6hMNy53kDDFnlAM02IXopb7THtbBbU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:b013:: with SMTP id x19mr1386399pjq.236.1604993694744; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 23:34:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 02:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Socket Statistics To: Olivier Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVflN2Hbgz3F72 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LY2pZdE6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::433 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::433:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::433:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::433:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:34:57 -0000 ss isn't in base nor am I sure it's available and would compile on any of the BSD's. >From the linux manpage for netstat: This program is obsolete. Replacement for *netstat* is *ss*. netstat is available, the very utility that linux abandoned. ~Paul On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:25 AM Olivier wrote: > Hello, > > I am playing with a product needs the sommand socket statitics (ss). > > It's a command that seems to be installed by default in Linux, do you > know where I can get it for FreeBSD? > > TIA, > > Olivier > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 10 07:46:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EF12E60A7 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVg096WXGz3FmP for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9D1112503 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:45:58 +0700 (+07) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received:received :received; s=selector1; t=1604994357; x=1606808758; bh=Lt2FB2BGb 0l+uaQ7qIwFrLUrKUKDsbEuvqimywoxw4E=; b=cSsb224no/79yRrPTX9ibyJWo Wl5yx8jPWOaL29NC0BQhGhyIN1wIDhpfXfiHmcx7RMK4iEZZKQ3lF/ia2kjFLwV6 HewFVLhuKBbxWppAIIBD0sGMNz9Lg50knRFlIkndUS30LSYufGGYs0UzAtT7QQa5 iCKIhRYpFp8Yi/zeHM= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 5fAZ9xP3VOMU for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:45:57 +0700 (+07) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93E26112501 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:45:57 +0700 (+07) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 0AA7jvs7066646; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:45:57 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Socket Statistics In-Reply-To: (message from Paul Procacci on Tue, 10 Nov 2020 02:33:39 -0500) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:45:57 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVg096WXGz3FmP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cs.ait.ac.th header.s=selector1 header.b=cSsb224n; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cs.ait.ac.th; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th designates 192.41.170.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cs.ait.ac.th:s=selector1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cs.ait.ac.th:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[192.41.170.16:from]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cs.ait.ac.th,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4767, ipnet:192.41.170.0/24, country:TH]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:46:02 -0000 > ss isn't in base nor am I sure it's available and would compile on any of > the BSD's. > >>From the linux manpage for netstat: > > This program is obsolete. Replacement for *netstat* is *ss*. > > netstat is available, the very utility that linux abandoned. > Thank you all of you for your quick answers. That summarize what I was fearing, it is another thing that Linux has broken... And I cannot use sockstat or lsof unless I modify something I don't really know, because that think is written specifically for the syntax of ss. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 10 08:31:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43B22E6ECA for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 08:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVh0d0Q93z3HmC for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 08:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kcOym-000395-Od for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 09:26:16 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ottavio Caruso Subject: Re: Socket Statistics Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 08:26:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.3.1 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVh0d0Q93z3HmC X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [9.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_REJECT(2.00)[yahoo.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,reject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[116.202.254.214:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[116.202.254.214:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 08:31:29 -0000 [X-posted to ports@] On 10/11/2020 07:25, Olivier wrote: > Hello, > > I am playing with a product needs the sommand [sic] socket statitics (ss). > > It's a command that seems to be installed by default in Linux, do you > know where I can get it for FreeBSD? ss is in the iproute2 package on Debian: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/networking/iproute2 I wonder if one could make a FreeBSD port out of it, as it might use Linux kernel specific calls. -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 10 19:16:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E257A461FAF for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosha-necr@yandex.ru) Received: from forward106p.mail.yandex.net (forward106p.mail.yandex.net [77.88.28.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVyJZ5Sj9z4ml1 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosha-necr@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback28o.mail.yandex.net (mxback28o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::79]) by forward106p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id B52A41C810EB for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:16:11 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback28o.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id WpDObxRAWn-GBhue8jT; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:16:11 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1605035771; bh=Jgr0H6AFfx190IP5MGfA5k8o2zYfZOkvBMI0EAbBhGA=; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; b=N6QlftK40oMIJ69ERuxFMr5v7/dCNlFNx4qJ2Xy66V7yEPdTwzjLp3yk1FbeVxhOJ LU8XZK1blhDX2QjxxzcdzTA/Inhg1wAfRXaSmVSnk062s2+T6aB1kKFsHIVKyq+CB2 LhmbMklaaF40ba7C8EEVNUt8Ej+alduvXj8SPw6M= Received: by myt6-674c1815a2f0.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:16:10 +0300 From: Gosha To: freebsd-questions Subject: How get kms console with Intel GMA 3600 (PowerVR) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:16:10 +0500 Message-Id: <348131605035336@mail.yandex.ru> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CVyJZ5Sj9z4ml1 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yandex.ru header.s=mail header.b=N6QlftK4; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yandex.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gosha-necr@yandex.ru designates 77.88.28.109 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gosha-necr@yandex.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.18 / 15.00]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[77.88.28.109:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.ru]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:77.88.0.0/18]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.ru,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[77.88.28.109:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.ru]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:77.88.0.0/18, country:RU]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[77.88.28.109:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yandex.ru:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.ru:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[77.88.28.109:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.925]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:16:15 -0000 Good day! Can anyone help me with getting FullHD kms console on a old nettop with Intel Atom D2700, with Intel GMA 3600 videocard? Please help! -------------------------------------------- Sincerely, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 10 19:26:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B720E46264F for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosha-necr@yandex.ru) Received: from forward501o.mail.yandex.net (forward501o.mail.yandex.net [37.140.190.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CVyXT5Mzhz4ncc for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosha-necr@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback20j.mail.yandex.net (mxback20j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::114]) by forward501o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id B4E171E80718 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:26:30 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback20j.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id lD2wtNsV1S-QUoSTPIY; 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An organization I work with has a need for something more secure than google docs. Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the level offered by google docs. Mostly word-type documents and spreadsheets. Barring that, just more secure sharing options still appreciated. Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 02:51:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072952D2E4C for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 02:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CW8PV1Xxfz3kHK; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 02:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d804897c (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 11 Nov 2020 02:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: Steve Wills , Mario Lobo , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20f8fdce-7867-7805-c3b9-2b49abb5b62a@FreeBSD.org> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:50:57 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20f8fdce-7867-7805-c3b9-2b49abb5b62a@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CW8PV1Xxfz3kHK X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.79 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.51)[0.509]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 02:51:12 -0000 On 11/9/20 6:17 AM, Steve Wills wrote: > I find something along the lines of: > > limits -m 8g -v 8g firefox > > helps a lot. thanks for your input here Steve, i set this today on my primary workstation and have observed noticiably better performance of firefox as a result.  i'm going to also dog-food this on my lower powered laptop tonight.  i wonder if there is a good place to store this koan of knowledge, not sure it'd be appropriate for a pkg message but maybe in the tuning wiki? -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 05:56:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CCC2D57CD for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 05:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWDW32fzTz3rxh for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 05:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.233.82]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mzhar-1kPIvU0yBt-00vhjy; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 06:56:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 06:56:12 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gosha Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How get kms console with Intel GMA 3600 (PowerVR) Message-Id: <20201111065612.ce1a9b58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <348131605035336@mail.yandex.ru> References: <348131605035336@mail.yandex.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:vO5vDNYU+jVrvPVHjr/evMfA2YtQ3Qm0A1jw3rAIHhW1WYxG+Uq F21K+o1zRy7M1k/cexr9CqN4eJ+t0tgtzLRTBeyEMJDDekesGkUBgXP1srn0QA9YJ39Jlr7 D+BqLmkEgPT3PJ+Tz+nA1BkMlbSX5Tmx4OmbdZIf9n4K8HCxzp12ZlU8YJogvTVk3uf56oU Xqoc3ZLkpaII26aCk00vQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qQ/dxEQQ9CE=:BitsZHcJUwaS+0yOgcom9f 0JmHn4PV4aWOTsGDYkAjbncwZ5NElaZkUUNJtCWJ4AGVeEIFTsbTCkba0XxyKfqvwsOvkTyaA faLn7uLe2kvn37EMNRj9Cf76xYMBJiF2jafccc2VTmdzetFA0wrBaC6Up5Txq6IXFyN03Icnu 0NK9c3ZHwcWgI2LQrX5YxD8b/KEKUkhzperzB7SkEwDxz2MvFTF2ecWcF7vRYKcFLtqZ5glpa GstgNnYaAfVZebvTmWBPbUH/w7fghD5u8AvPLFc0O754b+MgCUJ6Ren0ixyL3upE6AnLeGOf+ nD/4e/1AZUQYSbu2gHjgWZiJJHK5kjJLeWLYHHaeFdvAc88kh6T3cTy2ZGaixJdvYK+rknLCx nKMi7sNMO0X9J0lwRdBIwQPd98uxlbLtXQ38qQCWltucfnLKdG1YzIN7izEJc X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWDW32fzTz3rxh X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.ru]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.233.82:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 05:56:16 -0000 On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:16:10 +0500, Gosha wrote: > Can anyone help me with getting FullHD kms console on a old nettop > with Intel Atom D2700, with Intel GMA 3600 videocard? Did you try compiling graphics/drm-legacy-kmod and using it like this in /etc/rc.conf: kld_list="/boot/modules/i915kms.ko" Also check that you have /boot/loader.conf with the following entry: kern.vty=vt There are optional entries to that file you could experiment with, such as: kern.vt.fb.default_mode="1280x800" kern.vt.fb.LVDS-1="1024x768" Of course you'd have to adapt the values to match the actual size (in px) of the physical display. Good luck! :-) Further resources: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/Intel-GPU-Matrix https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/no-support-for-intel-gma-3150.73909/ PS. I have a HP dm-1 "netbook" mini-laptop myself with Atopm CPU, but that one uses AMD graphics with a shiny screen 1366x768 px at 10x6" - works fine with FreeBSD 12. The console text is so small and crappy it's not readable anymore, even by ants, so yes, pure FullHD joy! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 07:08:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1150B2D6DEA for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWG6m1M5Cz3wKG for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:08:36 -0800 Subject: Re: secure file sharing service options To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:08:36 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWG6m1M5Cz3wKG X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:08:49 -0000 On 2020-11-10 18:44, Gary Aitken wrote: > Can anyone recommend secure file-sharing services?  An organization I > work with has a need for something more secure than google docs. > > Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the level > offered by google docs.  Mostly word-type documents and spreadsheets. > Barring that, just more secure sharing options still appreciated. If you want the equivalent of a file server share available over an intranet and/or the Internet, sshfs(1) comes to mind. If you want the backing store automatically encrypted, add encfs(1). Both appear to be available for BSD, Linux, Windows, and macOS. 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On 11 Nov 2020, at 2:44, Gary Aitken wrote: > Can anyone recommend secure file-sharing services? An organization I > work with has a need for something more secure than google docs. > > Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the level > offered by google docs. Mostly word-type documents and spreadsheets. > Barring that, just more secure sharing options still appreciated. I use Tresorit . It doesn't do google-doc-style collaboration, but it does do file sharing. They make a point of advertising their attitude to security. They're end-to-end encrypted, and do 'secure sharing' (which I put in quotes simply to acknowledge that's a tricky term to define). They're not free (as in beer or speech), but I spend my own money on buying a service from them. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/norman/it/ Research IT Coordinator SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK Charity number SC004401 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 16:36:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02DF2EE9DC for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWVjQ56b4z3F1t for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id r9so2903507ioo.7 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 08:36:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SUK0QqEG7UL/WvpSYLswVd9t3kIxXKhDDCxC3+kzNVo=; b=c49azlv9iI+OTtY0dUwmK8/PEQRCwo4sRcqcVVGo+Z2mzXVZ8hHRoyD0JfRGLhJWR7 aGyuTnx4mfVDvzq4ILsOQUB1JJTw01ThCjAV+0x05NuZuGVakO4y+yFSXpwKi7f+ECzy ePHhjNKWtuFFsnjKdmzhK1rNitiDnI3kKymWI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SUK0QqEG7UL/WvpSYLswVd9t3kIxXKhDDCxC3+kzNVo=; b=scJyKyWpYWpfvbVqH0TGYGKRL2BsSDFIQ4SKLzPPggt4D6fgZKr4/TR7+vjzmgK1sP kTiDTAlJezxWR+VEJ2v0xw3vcig78hyZwA0xslM71ANBY9MQfiRAkz1zChq5esvs2aR+ gDt0ZznsVF/nlmqBkiSq552LWKAwBxXJSNl4133xuM7kqeOvEt1pHit/+zdgMgwhkjrs CJmoAMoVWZ0cIdm7z0UYWqU6UZCh6p0bALmHg8U0nOQEQA5M2/v/ynGKNZ2am8RZAWzh JAN+ARt7hUpeVjr8oShS+ontCb9AUqRVLKORfuyg6OzFTmza0Y39VI/NT59hqL9OLIAj nZZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530b6G4FegP/j8y4xaFZAUDEB0WTahsB2GI/KfbSp0iq0J72csbV X1CO6jxHxvfjSIgkAQAOA4lFxEWVa3CkBxgRRiuQ1M3ePOE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzatKHqrgv4UBCzHYxGKdkS8HGTs0qQ56+XHcuOKr3Ca9VHyfOVIVAI6ZUYkypSYqYKkgWq7IaN4Uuub4vtYmo= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:850b:: with SMTP id i11mr17911462ioj.8.1605112568500; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 08:36:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20f8fdce-7867-7805-c3b9-2b49abb5b62a@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: From: Mario Lobo Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 13:35:57 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox memory usage To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWVjQ56b4z3F1t X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=c49azlv9; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.26 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.76)[0.759]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:36:11 -0000 On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:51 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 11/9/20 6:17 AM, Steve Wills wrote: > > I find something along the lines of: > > > > limits -m 8g -v 8g firefox > > > > helps a lot. > > thanks for your input here Steve, i set this today on my primary > workstation and have observed noticiably better performance of firefox > as a result. i'm going to also dog-food this on my lower powered laptop > tonight. i wonder if there is a good place to store this koan of > knowledge, not sure it'd be appropriate for a pkg message but maybe in > the tuning wiki? > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > > WOW! +1 here. This improves firefox A LOT! Thanks for that! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 20:00:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0764649A2 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (jacobs.geeks.org [204.153.247.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWbFJ2DCKz3kwl for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B345784B7 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 14:00:27 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 7ECAC78473; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 14:00:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 14:00:27 -0600 From: Doug McIntyre To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: secure file sharing service options Message-ID: <20201111200027.GA42996@geeks.org> References: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWbFJ2DCKz3kwl X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of merlyn@geeks.org designates 204.153.247.1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=merlyn@geeks.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.08 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.153.247.1:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.153.247.1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.777]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:204.153.244.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:00:37 -0000 On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 07:44:15PM -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > Can anyone recommend secure file-sharing services? An organization I > work with has a need for something more secure than google docs. > > Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the level > offered by google docs. Mostly word-type documents and spreadsheets. > Barring that, just more secure sharing options still appreciated. I've put in NextCloud (or OwnCloud) for several orgs that wanted that. Of course available in ports/pkgs. NextCloud has Collabora integration available, so people can use it as a replacement for Google Docs. (LibreOffice based). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 00:21:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFD146AD27 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWj275xtwz4VR5 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:21:09 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] References: Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: <2a729ceb-5520-c64f-ffdc-ac0c88f07859@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:21:08 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWj275xtwz4VR5 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:21:21 -0000 debian-user & freebsd-questions: Follow-up from Seagate regarding my previous thread. David -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 20:05:19 +0000 (GMT) From: discsupport@seagate.com To: dpchrist@holgerdanske.com Hello David Christensen, Thank you for your email response. We apologize for the delay in our response; we have had staffing cuts due to the pandemic. We tried to contact you by phone xxxxxxxxxx, but were unable to reach you. We understand that you are requesting a binary image of Seagate SeaTools Bootable available. We regret this, but it is not possible for us to generate this, the tools we have certain features and some things are out of our reach. But we want to help you and understand your needs, if you are trying to test the drive, then we need to know the reason or the issue that presented the drive: Could you tell us if the disk has any fault? I already try to use it in another device or use another SATA cable? This drive serial number 6VV842DN is designed to be used in DVR devices for video recordings, are you using it for this end? Can access the data in the drive? I have reviewed serial # 6VV842DN and it appears the warranty coverage has expired since 02/22/2014. Are you able to attach a copy of the purchase receipt? This would allow us to also explore other options that could be beneficial to you. We look forward to receiving your response with the aforementioned details, or contact us at xxxxxxxxxx. We will be happy to help you from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM Central time, Monday – Friday. We thank you for your continued trust in our products and services and hope you have a wonderful day! Regards, Mariana Seagate Support ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 01:43:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C32246F472 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 01:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWksB35hmz4cs5 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857F7112503; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:43:36 +0700 (+07) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received:received :received; s=selector1; t=1605145415; x=1606959816; bh=wNccFJIu3 fqTjUW6DVxWpDlPsql8i0tEJnMrImbPmGs=; b=no01qbN6ZBDyxvYdtuIGkzScS YO/0pAEPGmlHLD/eTacUIM8LjlHzWOiFhQDhXvCW7pLdhACbtlurBAcy2jVkt8h6 FRpXCEGH+X7+bK7IZNmVd6PDd7SN8Zx857oeACNjCa+GVuf4nZ3YAoi9BXMlkzCB VFDs6LaF8H3V/5AnpA= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id aQtM18FpgmOJ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:43:35 +0700 (+07) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C2AA112501; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:43:35 +0700 (+07) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 0AC1hY6N056812; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:43:34 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier To: David Christensen Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] In-Reply-To: <2a729ceb-5520-c64f-ffdc-ac0c88f07859@holgerdanske.com> (message from David Christensen on Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:21:08 -0800) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:43:34 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWksB35hmz4cs5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cs.ait.ac.th header.s=selector1 header.b=no01qbN6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cs.ait.ac.th; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th designates 192.41.170.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cs.ait.ac.th:s=selector1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[192.41.170.16:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cs.ait.ac.th:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cs.ait.ac.th,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4767, ipnet:192.41.170.0/24, country:TH]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 01:43:44 -0000 Hi David, > We tried to contact you by phone xxxxxxxxxx, but were unable to reach > you. We understand that you are requesting a binary image of Seagate > SeaTools Bootable available. We regret this, but it is not possible for > us to generate this, the tools we have certain features and some things > are out of our reach. I missed your original messages so I am not 100% sure what you are looking for. As far as I remember, Hiren used to have the SeaTool included in their earlier versions (when they had a lot of pirated stuff), I am talking version 10 or 12. Maybe that is what you are looking for? Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 05:32:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0212D6F89 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWqxS1nKkz4rVJ for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 0AC5WZq0085402; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: secure file sharing service options To: "Kevin P. Neal" , Doug McIntyre Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> <20201111200027.GA42996@geeks.org> <20201112023452.GA84943@neutralgood.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <714d2c5c-789d-7cef-6300-72057886b0ad@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:28:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201112023452.GA84943@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:32:35 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWqxS1nKkz4rVJ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:32:45 -0000 On 11/11/20 7:34 PM, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 02:00:27PM -0600, Doug McIntyre wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 07:44:15PM -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> Can anyone recommend secure file-sharing services? An >>> organization I work with has a need for something more secure >>> than google docs. >>> >>> Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the >>> level offered by google docs. Mostly word-type documents and >>> spreadsheets. Barring that, just more secure sharing options >>> still appreciated. >> >> >> I've put in NextCloud (or OwnCloud) for several orgs that wanted >> that. Of course available in ports/pkgs. NextCloud has Collabora >> integration available, so people can use it as a replacement for >> Google Docs. (LibreOffice based). > > Do we have a port for that? cd /usr/ports /usr/ports$ find . | grep nextcloud | egrep -v "Makefile|distinfo|files|pkg" ./deskutils/nextcloudclient ./mail/nextcloud-mail ./net-im/nextcloud-talk ./security/nextcloud-end_to_end_encryption ./security/nextcloud-passman ./security/nextcloud-twofactor_totp ./security/nextcloud-twofactor_u2f ./www/nextcloud-appointments ./www/nextcloud-calendar ./www/nextcloud-circles ./www/nextcloud-contacts ./www/nextcloud-deck ./www/nextcloud-forms ./www/nextcloud-groupfolders ./www/nextcloud-notes ./www/nextcloud-tasks ./www/nextcloud Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 07:37:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6512E1B0F for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CWtjQ509jz3DKj for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 23:37:14 -0800 From: David Christensen Subject: Re: Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 23:37:14 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CWtjQ509jz3DKj X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:37:31 -0000 On 2020-11-11 17:43, Olivier wrote: On 2020-11-11 18:59, Felix Miata wrote: Thanks for the offers of help. Any competent Linux or BSD user understands that copying a USB flash drive with a live Linux distribution and a diagnostic application to a raw image file is easy. Apparently, Seagate has no such users. I should have stated that the subject post was for the historical record only -- caveat emptor. Please do not reply. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 13:58:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586592EB137 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mouf.net (mouf.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:4400:216:3eff:fe69:33b3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mouf.net", Issuer "mouf.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CX39D0J0zz3qKr for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from lrrr.mouf.net (cpe-76-182-16-135.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.16.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by mouf.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id 0ACDwAVl052022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:58:21 GMT (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: secure file sharing service options To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> From: Steve Wills Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:58:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mouf.net [199.48.129.64]); Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:58:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=4.5 tests=KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS, NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mouf.net X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mouf.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CX39D0J0zz3qKr X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:58:40 -0000 Hi, On 11/10/20 9:44 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > Can anyone recommend secure file-sharing services?  An organization I > work with has a need for something more secure than google docs. > > Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the level > offered by google docs.  Mostly word-type documents and spreadsheets. > Barring that, just more secure sharing options still appreciated. Perhaps syncthing (net/syncthing, https://syncthing.net/) will meet your needs. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 15:45:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F742ED2B5 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CX5X913X2z4RKx for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.143.16]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 116614E6AB; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:35:54 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: secure file sharing service options From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20201111200027.GA42996@geeks.org> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:35:48 -0600 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <743F27A5-4742-43BE-9967-CAE6615DF625@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> <20201111200027.GA42996@geeks.org> To: Doug McIntyre X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CX5X913X2z4RKx X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [11.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.143.16:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.143.16:received]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_CSS(4.00)[172.58.143.16:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.75)[0.747]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.308]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:45:13 -0000 > On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Doug McIntyre wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 07:44:15PM -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >> Can anyone recommend secure file-sharing services? An organization I >> work with has a need for something more secure than google docs. >>=20 >> Ideally it would allow some form of collaboration similar to the = level >> offered by google docs. Mostly word-type documents and spreadsheets. >> Barring that, just more secure sharing options still appreciated. >=20 >=20 > I've put in NextCloud (or OwnCloud) for several orgs that wanted that. > Of course available in ports/pkgs. I would second that, I run owncloud server for almost decade a a half, = switching to nextcloud now=E2=80=A6 Valeri > NextCloud has Collabora integration available, so people can use it as > a replacement for Google Docs. (LibreOffice based).=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 00:13:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235F9468F5A for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 00:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXJp829WSz4wDG for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 00:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [89.45.7.206]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 958DA304010F for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 01:13:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 01:13:00 +0100 From: Christian Baer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Feedback for a small server project Message-ID: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> User-Agent: Claws Mail 3.17.5 [GTK+ 2.24.32; FreeBSD (aarch64)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXJp829WSz4wDG X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de does not designate 85.13.135.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.51 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[85.13.135.53:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.40)[-0.405]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[85.13.135.53:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.997]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.13.135.53:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.983]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[uni-dortmund.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.135.0/24, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 00:13:05 -0000 Greetings Programs! :-) This is not exactly a FreeBSD question, so please don't throw rocks at me! :-) FreeBSD will however most likely be utilized for this project! Because of the lockdown here in Germany (I know, in many other places too), I have way too much time on my hands. And since I haven't had the chance to really spend any money since April, I can afford to spend a little. Don't go crazy, everybody! :-P I would like to build a little server for my own use. This server is to be reachable from the outside, so this is not really a home NAS thing. A few things I'd like to run: - Webserver (Apache or nginx) - Nextcloud - Jitsi - Dovecot - maybe an XMPP (like Prosody) - maybe a Matrix server I am currently using Nextcloud on shared hosting but would like to port that to hardware I control, not so much due to trust issues but because some of the NC-apps use a few more CPU-cycles than my ISP likes. While the performance for up- and downloads is more than fine, phonetrack is pretty laggy. This would be the first service I would set up. I currently also use XMPP, Matrix and IMAP, but on external servers and this works fine for me. So Jitsi would probably come next. But I do want to run all services in the long run. My internet connection is fast enough to run this sort of thing for my purposes. I am thinking about doing this using an ODROID N2+[1], the 4GB version. I have two main reasons for this: - ludic drive Doing this on an ARM is way more exciting than on an AMD64. :-) I have alread got a case for everything (an old modem from the early 80s). It would look pretty cool. :-P - energy cost Electricity is annoyingly expensive in Germany (a kWh costs ~30 Eurocents). So the fact that this computer needs a relatively small amount of electricity (compared to the alternative) is a good factor for me. The alternative would be a computer I still have standing around here. It's an AMD A10-7800 with 32GB of RAM on an Asus ROG board. It was bought for a special (non-gaming) purpose (hence the high amount of RAM), but never really got used, so it currently just collecting dust. The usage scale of this project is pretty minute actually. We are talking between a dozen an two dozen users at the most - closer to the one dozen, probably even less. It would be my family (including my brother and his family), maybe one or two people from work and a couple of friends. Most of the time, the system would be used for file storage, text messages (possibly photos or media messages). Video calls may cause some slightly higher loads. I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. What do you guys think? Would the SBC be able to deal with the said tasks or would it be worth using the machine I already own and deal with the electricity bill? I do want to have some reserves, so I do not have to turn anyone down, who may wish to join the club, but I do not want to go for an overkill either. Please give me your thoughts! Best regards und stay negative! Chris [1] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 02:03:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87B246B1A9 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 02:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXMDz6Rykz51j9 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 02:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 18:02:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Feedback for a small server project To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 18:02:47 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXMDz6Rykz51j9 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.11 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 02:03:01 -0000 On 2020-11-12 16:13, Christian Baer wrote: > Greetings Programs! :-) > > This is not exactly a FreeBSD question, so please don't throw rocks at > me! :-) FreeBSD will however most likely be utilized for this project! > > Because of the lockdown here in Germany (I know, in many other places > too), I have way too much time on my hands. And since I haven't > had the chance to really spend any money since April, I can afford to > spend a little. Don't go crazy, everybody! :-P > > I would like to build a little server for my own use. This server is to > be reachable from the outside, so this is not really a home NAS thing. > A few things I'd like to run: > > - Webserver (Apache or nginx) > - Nextcloud > - Jitsi > - Dovecot > - maybe an XMPP (like Prosody) > - maybe a Matrix server > > I am currently using Nextcloud on shared hosting but would like to port > that to hardware I control, not so much due to trust issues but because > some of the NC-apps use a few more CPU-cycles than my ISP likes. While > the performance for up- and downloads is more than fine, phonetrack is > pretty laggy. This would be the first service I would set up. I > currently also use XMPP, Matrix and IMAP, but on external servers and > this works fine for me. So Jitsi would probably come next. But I do > want to run all services in the long run. > > My internet connection is fast enough to run this sort of thing for my > purposes. > > I am thinking about doing this using an ODROID N2+[1], the 4GB version. > I have two main reasons for this: > > - ludic drive > Doing this on an ARM is way more exciting than on an AMD64. :-) > I have alread got a case for everything (an old modem from > the early 80s). It would look pretty cool. :-P > > - energy cost > Electricity is annoyingly expensive in Germany (a kWh costs ~30 > Eurocents). So the fact that this computer needs a relatively small > amount of electricity (compared to the alternative) is a good factor > for me. > > The alternative would be a computer I still have standing around here. > It's an AMD A10-7800 with 32GB of RAM on an Asus ROG board. It was > bought for a special (non-gaming) purpose (hence the high amount of > RAM), but never really got used, so it currently just collecting dust. > > The usage scale of this project is pretty minute actually. We are > talking between a dozen an two dozen users at the most - closer to the > one dozen, probably even less. It would be my family (including my > brother and his family), maybe one or two people from work and a couple > of friends. Most of the time, the system would be used for file storage, > text messages (possibly photos or media messages). Video calls may > cause some slightly higher loads. > > I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will > probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a > difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more > power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much > better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. > > What do you guys think? Would the SBC be able to deal with > the said tasks or would it be worth using the machine I already own and > deal with the electricity bill? I do want to have some reserves, so I > do not have to turn anyone down, who may wish to join the club, but I > do not want to go for an overkill either. > > Please give me your thoughts! > > Best regards und stay negative! > Chris > > [1] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/ What ISP do you have? What Internet plan? I assume your NextCloud is running on a virtual private server (VPS). Which provider and what plan? How many users are connected when CPU cycles run out? What about memory? Storage? Network I/O? What about the other services? CPU cycles? Memory? Storage? Network I/O? Are you thinking one machine with all services running on one hardware OS instance? Jails? Virtualization? 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I've search engined around and all I can find most of the time is multi-booting with Windows, which I ,left behind when XP came out, or rambling non-specifics and vague references. Is installing gptboot the go, then hitting a key to gain interactive mode, then choosing a partition to boot from, or is there something a little more automated available? Thanks for any time and trouble entered into. 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DMARC_NA(0.00)[fatti.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:51:26 -0000 Hi Chris, make sure you have enough upload bandwidth for your project. In my office I have an FTTC access that is supposed to have an upload bandwidth of 2 Mbit/s. At the beginning I had that bandwidth. Starting from january 2020 I realized that my ISP slew my upload bandwidth down to 0.6 Mbit/s. Enrico Migliore On 13/11/2020 01:13, Christian Baer wrote: > Greetings Programs! :-) > > This is not exactly a FreeBSD question, so please don't throw rocks at > me! :-) FreeBSD will however most likely be utilized for this project! > > Because of the lockdown here in Germany (I know, in many other places > too), I have way too much time on my hands. And since I haven't > had the chance to really spend any money since April, I can afford to > spend a little. Don't go crazy, everybody! :-P > > I would like to build a little server for my own use. This server is to > be reachable from the outside, so this is not really a home NAS thing. > A few things I'd like to run: > > - Webserver (Apache or nginx) > - Nextcloud > - Jitsi > - Dovecot > - maybe an XMPP (like Prosody) > - maybe a Matrix server > > I am currently using Nextcloud on shared hosting but would like to port > that to hardware I control, not so much due to trust issues but because > some of the NC-apps use a few more CPU-cycles than my ISP likes. While > the performance for up- and downloads is more than fine, phonetrack is > pretty laggy. This would be the first service I would set up. I > currently also use XMPP, Matrix and IMAP, but on external servers and > this works fine for me. So Jitsi would probably come next. But I do > want to run all services in the long run. > > My internet connection is fast enough to run this sort of thing for my > purposes. > > I am thinking about doing this using an ODROID N2+[1], the 4GB version. > I have two main reasons for this: > > - ludic drive > Doing this on an ARM is way more exciting than on an AMD64. :-) > I have alread got a case for everything (an old modem from > the early 80s). It would look pretty cool. :-P > > - energy cost > Electricity is annoyingly expensive in Germany (a kWh costs ~30 > Eurocents). So the fact that this computer needs a relatively small > amount of electricity (compared to the alternative) is a good factor > for me. > > The alternative would be a computer I still have standing around here. > It's an AMD A10-7800 with 32GB of RAM on an Asus ROG board. It was > bought for a special (non-gaming) purpose (hence the high amount of > RAM), but never really got used, so it currently just collecting dust. > > The usage scale of this project is pretty minute actually. We are > talking between a dozen an two dozen users at the most - closer to the > one dozen, probably even less. It would be my family (including my > brother and his family), maybe one or two people from work and a couple > of friends. Most of the time, the system would be used for file storage, > text messages (possibly photos or media messages). Video calls may > cause some slightly higher loads. > > I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will > probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a > difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more > power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much > better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. > > What do you guys think? Would the SBC be able to deal with > the said tasks or would it be worth using the machine I already own and > deal with the electricity bill? I do want to have some reserves, so I > do not have to turn anyone down, who may wish to join the club, but I > do not want to go for an overkill either. > > Please give me your thoughts! > > Best regards und stay negative! > Chris > > [1] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" -- Questa e-mail =C3=A8 stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast anti= virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 08:59:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20242D32CC for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from p-impout006.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout006aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXXTD6zs7z3NTd for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.177.163]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id dUjGkkx5NW7uzdUjGkxemi; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:46:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=FKplONgs c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:117 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=DBwwDor5xuMA:10 a=xNf9USuDAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=Jqrrswe85JWVIkdTZYoA:9 a=SEwjQc04WA-l_NiBhQ7s:22 a=Z5ABNNGmrOfJ6cZ5bIyy:22 a=QOGEsqRv6VhmHaoFNykA:22 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Booting multiple BSDs. 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I can't read them as anything rational: look like hexadecimal codes. I run FreeBSD and NetBSD, using GPT and no traditional BSD disklabels that would drive me crazy. I find OpenBSD not compatible on my system. LiveUSB OpenBSD from liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.net can't read or recognize my GPT-partitioned hard drive, and didn't recognize my Realtek Ethernet chip, 8111E/8168, haven't fully tested with wi-fi since I copied necessary firmware using FreeBSD. I usually use Super Grub2 Disk, available on earlier versions of the System Rescue CD written to USB stick, but am trying to move over to UEFI boot, need to more deeply study what I can do at FreeBSD loader prompt or NetBSD boot prompt. What/where is the gptboot you might want to install? Is it in FreeBSD ports, base system, or somewhere else? I notice FreeBSD >= 12.x has efibootmgr in base system, not avaliable in NetBSD base system or pkgsrc. I notice /boot/gptboot in FreeBSD base system, that would not be a separate installation. 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I can't read them as anything rational: look like > hexadecimal codes. Basically an image made up of dots. > I run FreeBSD and NetBSD, using GPT and no traditional BSD disklabels > that would drive me crazy. I find OpenBSD not compatible on my > system. > > LiveUSB OpenBSD from liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.net can't read or > recognize my GPT-partitioned hard drive, and didn't recognize my > Realtek Ethernet chip, 8111E/8168, haven't fully tested with wi-fi > since I copied necessary firmware using FreeBSD. > > I usually use Super Grub2 Disk, available on earlier versions of the > System Rescue CD written to USB stick, but am trying to move over to > UEFI boot, need to more deeply study what I can do at FreeBSD loader > prompt or NetBSD boot prompt. > > What/where is the gptboot you might want to install? Is it in FreeBSD > ports, base system, or somewhere else? I notice FreeBSD >= 12.x has > efibootmgr in base system, not avaliable in NetBSD base system or > pkgsrc. > > I notice /boot/gptboot in FreeBSD base system, that would not be a > separate installation. Apparently it handles booting as part of the base install, and automatically passes off to the bootloader, but if you hit any key within 3 seconds, apparently it defaults to interactive mode and you can select any partition to boot from. So, if it recognises the partitions of other installations, I thought that might be one way of doing it if you had multi-installs. Cheers! 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To: Thomas Mueller , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <3c5506c0-9727-4773-43c9-5afe9767ad9f@xsmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:04:54 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXXkf6fKtz3P0P X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=xsmail.com header.s=fm1 header.b=xQYXtHjA; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=N3PhuF+A; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=xsmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@xsmail.com designates 66.111.4.229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@xsmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:66.111.4.229:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[xsmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[xsmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[xsmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.03)[-0.026]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[twc.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.229:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[xsmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.111.4.229:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[91.240.124.157:received]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[xsmail.com:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.111.4.229:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:10:51 -0000 Thomas Mueller wrote: >> What's the best way of going about this? >> I've search engined around and all I can find most of the time is >> multi-booting with Windows, which I ,left behind when XP came out, or >> rambling non-specifics and vague references. >> Is installing gptboot the go, then hitting a key to gain interactive >> mode, then choosing a partition to boot from, or is there something a >> little more automated available? >> Thanks for any time and trouble entered into. > >> Harry Weaver > >> -- >> �\200⣴� �� �⢶⣦� \2_ONE(0.00 >> ⣾� \201� � \222� \200⣿�\201 Debian - The universal operating system >> ⢿�\204� \230� �� \232� \213� \200 https://www.debian.org >> � \210� ��\204� \200� \200� \200� \200 > > What are those strange characters in the footer of your message, after the "--" line? I can't read them as anything rational: look like hexadecimal codes. Those look correct here -- ascii-like debian logo -- even in console (vt with terminus font), are you using non-UTF-8-capable MUA yet? 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Message-Id: <20201113094107.a72519b38953234d8d436da3@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <202011130859.0AD8xJ02002746@mail.lan.sohara.org> References: <202011130859.0AD8xJ02002746@mail.lan.sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXYPp6PZXz3Qlv X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=l1XA7rvz; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c60000030249.7d1906f016492d97cb370ada45014413@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c60000030249.7d1906f016492d97cb370ada45014413@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[twc.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c60000030249.7d1906f016492d97cb370ada45014413@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c60000030249.7d1906f016492d97cb370ada45014413@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:41:19 -0000 On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:59:19 GMT "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > What are those strange characters in the footer of your message, after > the "--" line? I can't read them as anything rational: look like > hexadecimal codes. Your mail program is not parsing the Content-Type header and treating the content as UTF-8. They render as an array of dots to me. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 09:49:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE262D578A for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JbHc=ET=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CXYZs0fMzz3hQ5 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JbHc=ET=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from x1 (unknown [77.109.105.242]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E5E3C1D4FCE1; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 10:49:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 10:48:59 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Feedback for a small server project Message-ID: <20201113094859.u7vft3kzq3b7zbbs@x1> Mail-Followup-To: Christian Baer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXYZs0fMzz3hQ5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=JbHc=ET=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be designates 193.191.208.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=JbHc=ET=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[193.191.208.90:from]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[perdition.city]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[193.191.208.90:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=JbHc=ET=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[77.109.105.242:received]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=JbHc=ET=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:49:10 -0000 On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 01:13:00AM +0100, Christian Baer wrote: > Greetings Programs! :-) > > This is not exactly a FreeBSD question, so please don't throw rocks at > me! :-) FreeBSD will however most likely be utilized for this project! > > Because of the lockdown here in Germany (I know, in many other places > too), I have way too much time on my hands. And since I haven't > had the chance to really spend any money since April, I can afford to > spend a little. Don't go crazy, everybody! :-P > > I would like to build a little server for my own use. This server is to > be reachable from the outside, so this is not really a home NAS thing. > A few things I'd like to run: > > - Webserver (Apache or nginx) > - Nextcloud > - Jitsi > - Dovecot > - maybe an XMPP (like Prosody) > - maybe a Matrix server > > I am currently using Nextcloud on shared hosting but would like to port > that to hardware I control, not so much due to trust issues but because > some of the NC-apps use a few more CPU-cycles than my ISP likes. While > the performance for up- and downloads is more than fine, phonetrack is > pretty laggy. This would be the first service I would set up. I > currently also use XMPP, Matrix and IMAP, but on external servers and > this works fine for me. So Jitsi would probably come next. But I do > want to run all services in the long run. > > My internet connection is fast enough to run this sort of thing for my > purposes. > > I am thinking about doing this using an ODROID N2+[1], the 4GB version. > I have two main reasons for this: > > - ludic drive > Doing this on an ARM is way more exciting than on an AMD64. :-) > I have alread got a case for everything (an old modem from > the early 80s). It would look pretty cool. :-P > > - energy cost > Electricity is annoyingly expensive in Germany (a kWh costs ~30 > Eurocents). So the fact that this computer needs a relatively small > amount of electricity (compared to the alternative) is a good factor > for me. > > The alternative would be a computer I still have standing around here. > It's an AMD A10-7800 with 32GB of RAM on an Asus ROG board. It was > bought for a special (non-gaming) purpose (hence the high amount of > RAM), but never really got used, so it currently just collecting dust. > > The usage scale of this project is pretty minute actually. We are > talking between a dozen an two dozen users at the most - closer to the > one dozen, probably even less. It would be my family (including my > brother and his family), maybe one or two people from work and a couple > of friends. Most of the time, the system would be used for file storage, > text messages (possibly photos or media messages). Video calls may > cause some slightly higher loads. > > I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will > probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a > difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more > power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much > better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. > > What do you guys think? Would the SBC be able to deal with > the said tasks or would it be worth using the machine I already own and > deal with the electricity bill? I do want to have some reserves, so I > do not have to turn anyone down, who may wish to join the club, but I > do not want to go for an overkill either. > > Please give me your thoughts! > > Best regards und stay negative! > Chris > > [1] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/ I do the same here, everything is running on a SM SuperServer 5029A-2TN4 (https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/midtower/5029/SYS-5029A-2TN4.cfm), with 64GB of RAM, ZFS with raidz2, and jails for everything (scripted in Saltstack), works like a charm and consumes ~40 watts (I live in Belgium and electricity is quite expensive too here). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 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Any suggestion would be much appreciated. Thanks a lot! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 12:06:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500192E1A26 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CXcdQ6S1Sz3qMX for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 0ADC6VnU012647 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:06:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg To: "Kevin P. Neal" cc: Christian Baer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Feedback for a small server project In-Reply-To: <20201113020501.GC2121@neutralgood.org> Message-ID: References: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> <20201113020501.GC2121@neutralgood.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 1970/01/01 00:00:00 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2020/11/13 05:59:00 #11336189 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXcdQ6S1Sz3qMX X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of feenberg@nber.org designates 198.71.6.79 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=feenberg@nber.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.71.6.79:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nber.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[198.71.6.79:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26287, ipnet:198.71.6.0/23, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:06:36 -0000 On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > > I tried using a hard drive connected through a USB hub once. I got burned. > I haven't tried it since. OK, this was on MacOS X, but still... For the last 2 months I have been doing offline backups to 2.5" USB drives from Toshiba, Seagate and Western Digital in 1GB to 5GB capacities. I just took whatever Microcenter had cheapest. There have been no problems with any of the 7 drives. These are mostly (all?) SMR drives, and you can feel the head moving for a while after the computer stops sending data. Presumably that is data being copied from the non-SMR cache to its final resting place. I haven't investigated what would happen if the power went off during that process. It is annoying that the vendors aren't more explicit but I have been quite pleased by the reliability so far. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 12:47:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A042E288B for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXdXz2JxLz3scH for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6654B2FEDA; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:47:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Booting multiple BSDs. To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <202011130859.0AD8xJ02002746@mail.lan.sohara.org> <20201113094107.a72519b38953234d8d436da3@sohara.org> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:47:38 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201113094107.a72519b38953234d8d436da3@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXdXz2JxLz3scH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:47:48 -0000 On 13/11/2020 09:41, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:59:19 GMT > "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > >> What are those strange characters in the footer of your message, after >> the "--" line? I can't read them as anything rational: look like >> hexadecimal codes. > > Your mail program is not parsing the Content-Type header and > treating the content as UTF-8. They render as an array of dots to me. > Way off topic, but they look like Braille characters. -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 15:53:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BF72E5FF0 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXjgL5PHPz4Y7r for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B242FEDF; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Feedback for a small server project To: "Kevin P. Neal" , Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> <20201113020501.GC2121@neutralgood.org> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <0675c354-0271-e8bc-060b-10dc8234fb94@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:53:22 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201113020501.GC2121@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXjgL5PHPz4Y7r X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:53:35 -0000 On 13/11/2020 02:05, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 01:13:00AM +0100, Christian Baer wrote: >> I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will >> probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a >> difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more >> power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much >> better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. > > I tried using a hard drive connected through a USB hub once. I got burned. > I haven't tried it since. OK, this was on MacOS X, but still... > The ODroid board he mentions has USB 3.0 which makes disk access reasonable in my experience. (3.1 & 3.2 can be even better of course.) -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 16:40:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D33D2E706E for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXkjd0sZZz4bGD for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8D02FEE0; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:40:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Feedback for a small server project To: Christian Baer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <21a12488-de72-464f-1b02-71fb72e60552@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:40:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXkjd0sZZz4bGD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.20 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.903]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:40:38 -0000 On 13/11/2020 00:13, Christian Baer wrote: > Greetings Programs! :-) > > This is not exactly a FreeBSD question, so please don't throw rocks at > me! :-) FreeBSD will however most likely be utilized for this project! > > Because of the lockdown here in Germany (I know, in many other places > too), I have way too much time on my hands. And since I haven't > had the chance to really spend any money since April, I can afford to > spend a little. Don't go crazy, everybody! :-P > > I would like to build a little server for my own use. This server is to > be reachable from the outside, so this is not really a home NAS thing. > A few things I'd like to run: > > - Webserver (Apache or nginx) Personally I prefer nginx to apache, it's very efficient and with the Lua extension remarkably flexible. > - Nextcloud Good call. That's the next thing I'm setting up at home. > - Jitsi I recently looked at setting up my own Jitsi server at home but the big killer appears to be bandwidth rather than CPU power. With end-to-end encryption the bandwidth scales as the square of the number of users. I've currently got a 70 Mbs down/20 Mbps up FTTC link and decided the uplink would get swamped for some of the (not very large) Jitsi calls I make. There's a company putting in fibre in my neighbourhood that will offer 900 Mbps symmetric but it's not here just yet. When it arrives I'll reconsider Jitsi in house rather than hosted. Another thing to consider is that with E2E encryption, the encryption load on the server also scales as N**2. Does the ODroid have hardware support for crypto? > - Dovecot I use it, it works well. Do you want web mail access as well? If so, take a look at roundcube. > - maybe an XMPP (like Prosody) > - maybe a Matrix server I have no experience with these so can't comment sensibly. > > I am currently using Nextcloud on shared hosting but would like to port > that to hardware I control, not so much due to trust issues but because > some of the NC-apps use a few more CPU-cycles than my ISP likes. While > the performance for up- and downloads is more than fine, phonetrack is > pretty laggy. This would be the first service I would set up. I > currently also use XMPP, Matrix and IMAP, but on external servers and > this works fine for me. So Jitsi would probably come next. But I do > want to run all services in the long run. > > My internet connection is fast enough to run this sort of thing for my > purposes. > > I am thinking about doing this using an ODROID N2+[1], the 4GB version. > I have two main reasons for this: > > - ludic drive > Doing this on an ARM is way more exciting than on an AMD64. :-) > I have alread got a case for everything (an old modem from > the early 80s). It would look pretty cool. :-P > > - energy cost > Electricity is annoyingly expensive in Germany (a kWh costs ~30 > Eurocents). So the fact that this computer needs a relatively small > amount of electricity (compared to the alternative) is a good factor > for me. That's about twice what I pay. (I'm in the UK.) I find CPU power is generally less of a problem than that everything around the CPU. It's surprising how much energy networking can use when it's on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, and when active my current monitor puts out more heat than the computer it's attached to. > The alternative would be a computer I still have standing around here. > It's an AMD A10-7800 with 32GB of RAM on an Asus ROG board. It was > bought for a special (non-gaming) purpose (hence the high amount of > RAM), but never really got used, so it currently just collecting dust. > > The usage scale of this project is pretty minute actually. We are > talking between a dozen an two dozen users at the most - closer to the > one dozen, probably even less. It would be my family (including my > brother and his family), maybe one or two people from work and a couple > of friends. Most of the time, the system would be used for file storage, > text messages (possibly photos or media messages). Video calls may > cause some slightly higher loads. > > I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will > probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a > difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more > power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much > better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. If you do use the old board and usage is intermittent, run powerd to drop the CPU frequency whenever you can. Also use SSDs rather than spinning rust to reduce power requirements. > What do you guys think? Would the SBC be able to deal with > the said tasks or would it be worth using the machine I already own and > deal with the electricity bill? I do want to have some reserves, so I > do not have to turn anyone down, who may wish to join the club, but I > do not want to go for an overkill either. > > Please give me your thoughts! I suspect the only way to find out is to try it. Given that you would like to play with a new architecture the ODroid isn't that expensive. > Best regards und stay negative! > Chris > > [1] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/ -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 18:51:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D302EA954 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXnd24XWfz4l4T for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 72370a53 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Helping understand cause of SIGSEGV From: Pete Wright To: Patrick Mahan Cc: questions list References: <0764e7ef-bd81-a6c5-47c4-7cd539a428f5@nomadlogic.org> <46c6e046-8786-8142-0e4f-7c5ec407b3f4@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 10:51:43 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46c6e046-8786-8142-0e4f-7c5ec407b3f4@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXnd24XWfz4l4T X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.31 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:51:51 -0000 On 11/7/20 4:12 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > > > thanks for your help on the Patrick - i suspect to make much more > progress i'll need someone from the fluent-bit team to take a closer > look as to what's happening. > Just to revive this thread, Artyom Davidov was nice enough to chime in on the freebsd bug i filed for this (https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=250825) and we made some progress.  it looks like the SIGSEGV is only reproducible on 12.x and newer FreeBSD builds - he is unable to reproduce the issue on his 11.4 system. I guess my next question I'll need to answer is what major changes happened b/w 11 and 12 that could trigger this error.  At first I was wondering if it was an issue with llvm, but this port is built using gcc, so that helps narrow the gap a little bit.  i reckon it's also good that we at least have a version of freebsd that is functional, so there is a reference point to start from. since it is looking like a threading issue perhaps i should start splunking around that area...unless others have some good hints. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 20:48:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49352ED05F for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXrDB1WQQz4t70 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from [10.0.10.15] (unknown [10.0.10.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 435E226C56 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 13:48:49 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pinyon.org; s=dkim; t=1605300529; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=+KZj82RY2Th+oK9qcnGI8QklnhhhEzyIbdk8Zclvyy4=; b=sxNzHWxmWHVX28pE6uId0TRjQ/GOxlDaSzAVKa59afHpmlTdt410EeGX/DgDt6lVIHEt59 TpSWIhbTr7GZ/FQ968xttxdll9wAZ/lC0ABzdKjqRPSXA+ZEpw20b+F51STExfabaUCC+e UR6zbj9aR0i+XALjKhyUPSBB7E20Bkk= Subject: Re: Feedback for a small server project To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: <43087629-148f-7496-fa9f-2beb36477044@pinyon.org> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 13:48:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201113011300.0291aebb@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.06 X-Rspamd-Server: h2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXrDB1WQQz4t70 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=pinyon.org header.s=dkim header.b=sxNzHWxm; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pinyon.org:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:48:59 -0000 On 11/12/20 5:13 PM, Christian Baer wrote: > Greetings Programs! :-) > > This is not exactly a FreeBSD question, so please don't throw rocks at > me! :-) FreeBSD will however most likely be utilized for this project! > > Because of the lockdown here in Germany (I know, in many other places > too), I have way too much time on my hands. And since I haven't > had the chance to really spend any money since April, I can afford to > spend a little. Don't go crazy, everybody! :-P > > I would like to build a little server for my own use. This server is to > be reachable from the outside, so this is not really a home NAS thing. > A few things I'd like to run: > > - Webserver (Apache or nginx) > - Nextcloud > - Jitsi > - Dovecot > - maybe an XMPP (like Prosody) > - maybe a Matrix server > > I am currently using Nextcloud on shared hosting but would like to port > that to hardware I control, not so much due to trust issues but because > some of the NC-apps use a few more CPU-cycles than my ISP likes. While > the performance for up- and downloads is more than fine, phonetrack is > pretty laggy. This would be the first service I would set up. I > currently also use XMPP, Matrix and IMAP, but on external servers and > this works fine for me. So Jitsi would probably come next. But I do > want to run all services in the long run. > > My internet connection is fast enough to run this sort of thing for my > purposes. > > I am thinking about doing this using an ODROID N2+[1], the 4GB version. > I have two main reasons for this: > > - ludic drive > Doing this on an ARM is way more exciting than on an AMD64. :-) > I have alread got a case for everything (an old modem from > the early 80s). It would look pretty cool. :-P > > - energy cost > Electricity is annoyingly expensive in Germany (a kWh costs ~30 > Eurocents). So the fact that this computer needs a relatively small > amount of electricity (compared to the alternative) is a good factor > for me. > > The alternative would be a computer I still have standing around here. > It's an AMD A10-7800 with 32GB of RAM on an Asus ROG board. It was > bought for a special (non-gaming) purpose (hence the high amount of > RAM), but never really got used, so it currently just collecting dust. > > The usage scale of this project is pretty minute actually. We are > talking between a dozen an two dozen users at the most - closer to the > one dozen, probably even less. It would be my family (including my > brother and his family), maybe one or two people from work and a couple > of friends. Most of the time, the system would be used for file storage, > text messages (possibly photos or media messages). Video calls may > cause some slightly higher loads. > > I am guessing that the "real" computer (as apposed to the SBC) will > probably have more CPU-power and the extra RAM will also make a > difference, but with a 65W TDP CPU, it will [probably] also *need* more > power. :-) I have also considered that the "real" computer has much > better connectivity for HDDs, which do not have to be connected via USB. > > What do you guys think? Would the SBC be able to deal with > the said tasks or would it be worth using the machine I already own and > deal with the electricity bill? I do want to have some reserves, so I > do not have to turn anyone down, who may wish to join the club, but I > do not want to go for an overkill either. > > Please give me your thoughts! > > Best regards und stay negative! > Chris In your place I would build and debug the services on the existing machine with its plenty of RAM. 4GB won't be enough, I suspect. I would spend some time looking at the RAM requirements for the mature services configuration, even watching htop is helpful. Then if the energy costs were vexing I would replace the energy hog with something that exceeds your peak memory loads. Someone mentioned a Supermicro SuperServer, that looks great. There are many systems like that, and in my experience for maintainability there's nothing better than a case that is big enough to get your hands into. I have only a few systems that are as small as what you want. I got a used Facebook 32 thread xeon motherboard with 128GB and discovered it gave me capabilities I hadn't thought of. For instance, weekly or even daily poudriere runs over a 1700 port set are feasible. Overall I am killing the planet at about $100/month. This supports four "large" servers, 3 boundary routers, a nice 24 port PoE 1Gb switch, which serves some Unifi access points and a couple of video cams (all are little servers too). Ubiquity runs on obsolete debian versions, and it turns out bhyve is perfect for hosting those. 128 GB is ample for 32 threads running 200 poudriere thasks (I never touch swap) and a few bhyve vms. Since I live in the country I have to keep some spares (power supplies, drives) around. The big servers make noise so go in a closet. This needs a fan. The fan needs a spare. All this sounds awful I suppose but I think it's fantastic for the flexibility. I can access a lot of hardware trivially with multiple operating systems. I have a lot of redundancy on my border servers, so dovecot/postfix setup is for instance replicated. I purposely stay as stupid in my replication as possible because conceptual and algorithmic complexity seems to explode as you try to google-ize everything. Anyway I read those threads on Hacker News about the FAANGs taking all of the fun out of living an entire physical compute life on an Apple laptop, and I just shake my head. I just want to encourage your project. From what I have seen, the "cloud" works fantastic for all the reasons people say, and it is even, in general, the most perfect vehicle for hosting a trunk to stuff all its customers into, with hatch closed and the key locked in some corporate vault. Good luck with your project, Russell > [1] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 13 21:43:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9CF2EE530 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXsRF37tsz3D08 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 892d9bf0 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:43:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ef45d749 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:43:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 586b5368 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:43:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id bad1801b (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:43:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:43:25 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: it is bizarre Message-ID: <20201113164325.21913af1@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXsRF37tsz3D08 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:43:38 -0000 Hi! Does someone know why Firefox developers switch from llvm 9 to 11 now? And how many different version we should have now. Thank you. -- The society that loses its grip on the past is in danger, for it produces men who know nothing but the present, and who are not aware that life had been, and could be, different from what it is. Aristotle From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 00:16:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D3D461942 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXwqm1qywz3LQF for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:16:34 -0800 From: David Christensen Subject: Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Message-ID: <16125c2a-be30-ea63-61d0-48b599983b4a@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:16:34 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXwqm1qywz3LQF X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.007]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:16:37 -0000 freebsd-questions: FYI. Please do not respond to this message. David -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:45:22 +0000 (GMT) From: discsupport@seagate.com To: dpchrist@xxxxxxxx.com Hello David Christensen, Thank you for contacting Seagate. This is a final email. We would like to inform you that due to the time frame and lack of response to our previous emails, this case will be closed. Feel free to create another online ticket if you need assistance and we will be happy to help you. Seagate places great value on all our customers. Alternatively, you can call us at 1-800-SEAGATE (1-800-732-4283). Regards, Mariana Seagate Support ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 00:48:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91000463B27 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXxY25p9Dz3P37 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:48:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Booting multiple BSDs. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:48:42 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXxY25p9Dz3P37 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:48:55 -0000 On 2020-11-12 21:42, Weaver wrote: > What's the best way of going about this? > I've search engined around and all I can find most of the time is > multi-booting with Windows, which I ,left behind when XP came out, or > rambling non-specifics and vague references. > Is installing gptboot the go, then hitting a key to gain interactive > mode, then choosing a partition to boot from, or is there something a > little more automated available? > Thanks for any time and trouble entered into. > > Harry Weaver In workstations/ servers, I install 2.5" SATA trayless racks and have a stack of SSD's with one OS each. The only hassle is remembering to reset the CMOS clock before and after running a Windows SSD. In laptops with one drive, I install VirtualBox and have one VM for each OS. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 01:09:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963BC4641D9 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXy0Z49jNz3Qmx for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:09:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id 23so12169593wrc.8 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:09:18 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XpWnA+KsTG4TW/o4q+LxWrqL6S9I8sraNY60MRMuMiQ=; b=mFucDRiKYEMZDwuWSet3SZuyi0KOJkKKKApgd2PM4MyX4jS7FRKqjLrW1U7D7cQiz5 U2vqw/1xL1DbgmxyhS9ONxjdWXe3KZrNBrlKjjNzm2pd1RNtC0SU5FJczwkWPwZJ96Zo jwbi0WKIInuHvTWcc1JRGlH3Mkb889y3rWkgBG1C8XRfvL6hA/GLNp+rwh2vP7PCjfIB AU02dOLbOAVNPuLAMEx/ag4DvSWg7YGHo9JvhhzFehq3LoisdV3YdX667Y5IVib8ZeSt wyP8fN4Ct7mNuGkX+XG/i7OrLWSJOh2VzEppyTTnxl8Y9t4ciYUxz7siTqDL7o3EuNhE YiGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533gYSjI/q0ayL958CuEVvnPPy/5bgJmMi9dU47wB6Y6Pd2Aw1Kd utsIMDKI2OfWP7Ybv9U73tfksIDRirqGzg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWQe6lXDpkkUzYDHU7Sqt4cAc5YApr2sVe2LKm8UarlJz9HW0XeLpowBQDZAEq3CuzgcW8lQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4703:: with SMTP id y3mr6823643wrq.416.1605316155845; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.220.21.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e5sm11547125wrs.84.2020.11.13.17.09.14 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:09:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:09:11 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting multiple BSDs. Message-ID: <20201114010911.2d0f2cf2@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXy0Z49jNz3Qmx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.220.21.54:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::436:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::436:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::436:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:09:19 -0000 On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:48:42 -0800 David Christensen wrote: > > In workstations/ servers, I install 2.5" SATA trayless racks and have > a stack of SSD's with one OS each. The only hassle is remembering to > reset the CMOS clock before and after running a Windows SSD. If you create the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock FreeBSD can run with the cmos clock on local time. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 01:58:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427A52D0079 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXz5s2QSKz3m9p for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXz5h0DLJzDsfP for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:58:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1605319128; bh=bWtDEqFqpE8yrtmzHtvSoakEHe8jgSfEm/oMp4c+3YU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=K3A+wIb3gS65z3Xs9MIPROdfJb4W+a6U7yGr4F9zQbLrxSBi/oyWNnT5YaJ3DWLdI rsvpsdKp4oWE+r0FNt/LV3AcOSVe5mC3AzZ1yEefFvXeCKxPLvSBJ+0rMq9E8msRKI jU4rZznR+V8Mz5Ouv2ZqYHfIvNGg3zgerdD7h2Yg= X-Riseup-User-ID: DCD3AEB01C916BE23299D180EC355EC02E31E78098C5617F7FB32DA6115B0533 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CXz5g6fQBzJqj7 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:58:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:58:47 -0800 From: Weaver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting multiple BSDs. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3e235e4f8da5018abbd1d05a1976c7a9@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXz5s2QSKz3m9p X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=K3A+wIb3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of weaver@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=weaver@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 01:58:58 -0000 On 14-11-2020 10:48, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-11-12 21:42, Weaver wrote: >> What's the best way of going about this? >> I've search engined around and all I can find most of the time is >> multi-booting with Windows, which I ,left behind when XP came out, or >> rambling non-specifics and vague references. >> Is installing gptboot the go, then hitting a key to gain interactive >> mode, then choosing a partition to boot from, or is there something a >> little more automated available? >> Thanks for any time and trouble entered into. >> >> Harry Weaver > > In workstations/ servers, I install 2.5" SATA trayless racks and have > a stack of SSD's with one OS each. The only hassle is remembering to > reset the CMOS clock before and after running a Windows SSD. > > > In laptops with one drive, I install VirtualBox and have one VM for each OS. This will be in a small tower with 4 different drives, each with a different OS on each one. I am just wondering if there's a bootable partition on each one, is there a boot-manager that will pick up each one and give me a choice as to which one to boot? -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 02:38:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0FD2D2070 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 02:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.antonovs.family", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CXzzr4VdCz3q4p for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 02:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: by mail.antonovs.family (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id ed2a843d (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 02:38:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Ihor Antonov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Results 2020 Survey Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:38:38 -0800 Message-ID: <2174261.ElGaqSPkdT@tycho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CXzzr4VdCz3q4p X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.79 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[100.25.240.195:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[100.25.240.195:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 02:38:49 -0000 Hello FreeBSD Users, Some time ago there was a survey conducted by the Core team. As with 2019 Survey - there are no publicly available results. At least none that I could find. If you know if/where 2020 results exit please share. Thanks ------ Ihor From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 03:02:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D6B2D2F64 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CY0WL2LbMz3rf0 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Booting multiple BSDs. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3e235e4f8da5018abbd1d05a1976c7a9@riseup.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:29 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3e235e4f8da5018abbd1d05a1976c7a9@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CY0WL2LbMz3rf0 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:02:39 -0000 On 2020-11-13 17:58, Weaver wrote: > On 14-11-2020 10:48, David Christensen wrote: >> On 2020-11-12 21:42, Weaver wrote: >>> What's the best way of going about this? >>> I've search engined around and all I can find most of the time is >>> multi-booting with Windows, which I ,left behind when XP came out, or >>> rambling non-specifics and vague references. >>> Is installing gptboot the go, then hitting a key to gain interactive >>> mode, then choosing a partition to boot from, or is there something a >>> little more automated available? >>> Thanks for any time and trouble entered into. >>> >>> Harry Weaver >> >> In workstations/ servers, I install 2.5" SATA trayless racks and have >> a stack of SSD's with one OS each. The only hassle is remembering to >> reset the CMOS clock before and after running a Windows SSD. >> >> >> In laptops with one drive, I install VirtualBox and have one VM for each OS. > > This will be in a small tower with 4 different drives, each with a > different OS on each one. > I am just wondering if there's a bootable partition on each one, is > there a boot-manager that will pick up each one and give me a choice as > to which one to boot? I am confident that there are several boot managers, likely one for each of those four OS's, that can find multiple bootable OS drives/ slices/ partitions and allow you to boot the OS of your choice. But, my experience is that keeping them all running is an exercise in "infinite bug propagation" I can afford US $45 mobile racks and US $20 SSD's. My time and mental bandwidth are more valuable. I would remove three of those drives and run one OS at a time. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 08:56:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B2A2E39D3 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 08:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x62d.google.com (mail-ej1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CY8Ml1S6zz4h49 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 08:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id me8so17293480ejb.10 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:56:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cC3XMqEghNeLcpSaXxIMsvHIUn+DVa8zkmHHHdP9V/w=; b=iuB3+6SFPBWhDF7zabzL6mn8Wy5U6Nux1vFCw7qeOt7l+C44GYfzgyOWwibWUyuJ6g W8YxfnTd5T9lCm8JH53QcqnvZhhJg0Qb29RA+7Bz1pbth6/cYMLgupmQD2jpHDQndWHy e5ktsvn3YMLuPFdrXYIS7UR0+UsNnS3Fkx5Kl3wqcv6hrAtnzhSvm0HE9Uf4ZINWMmHo kCA+lsjoQbtR3EjiUOLa9+Is/ASA2Klhr6sXali1E7rGOQ2/fQppLUPU/tDqtMLjsVzR m91JyhG3fyr/RzsMYNi7AR9ERAuxN36g81iuCArlYsc36Vst8FeZWzA5MXB47CUoCmiH kbrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cC3XMqEghNeLcpSaXxIMsvHIUn+DVa8zkmHHHdP9V/w=; b=MNRYr53XvavgfncFrp6ZgUAK0CvTOsDbsu9phrUfn84luq1ecQbyIm2D5vxH8TQWHL NurcmE1Wiup6L+5prCh+Jf4fxd9s2mXlPODb4HrQG/L18YD64+zH1IY0E10qGbQBIc3F fO49+kq9f+EFOCun6bmaoWWr6M/U7MzwUSNqfWWvViPJoaLhQVXrNq27TkmV2LS5H2Af pmGWasMsjZhOf7EUqKaVOnZEly+bPJPPawE+D1qa8eQPSrkdJa1l/oGXK1E1B3c7os8v 9fPQLIM9/jAEI8OE2veATvoTHcoABdIqMUPNvSyrLsPmAz9tEaPHYksJw4Ih2vgXLKED wpFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531xA4l6WtVP5Mc593yVWxHHizyYBpZNXLzcF3HsSgj/3NBkqhcM 1+fuAvbTMtd4XW8fn6mWeEl0dO1VYknvKG0DiyCBaR0yURw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYUCoXjC4fpQetAFP12Kgawx3RbUNS6sCpK4uGyrL3mUz46u9NOx43xhgDzkELcaA/vWJZx41Dggr2328zrVs= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:a996:: with SMTP id jr22mr5925255ejb.463.1605344192681; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:56:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3e3f751c-7644-7fb3-adff-c79be0707645@dreamchaser.org> <20201111200027.GA42996@geeks.org> <20201112023452.GA84943@neutralgood.org> <714d2c5c-789d-7cef-6300-72057886b0ad@dreamchaser.org> <20201113015504.GB2121@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20201113015504.GB2121@neutralgood.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:56:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: secure file sharing service options To: "Kevin P. Neal" Cc: Gary Aitken , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CY8Ml1S6zz4h49 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=iuB3+6SF; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::62d) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.56 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.74)[0.745]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62d:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 08:56:36 -0000 On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 02:55 Kevin P. Neal wrote: > Yeah, "locate nextcloud | grep /ports/ | more" works also. I don't see > Collabora in there, and I guess you are telling me that's because it isn't > in there. Since I'm not willing to do the work to create a new port then > I'm not in much of a position to complain. *shrug* > How about https://mattermost.com/ ? :-) Its already here https://www.freshports.org/www/mattermost-server :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 10:30:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E352E5E9B for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CYBSB1hz4z4lq2 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.233.82]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MJV9M-1ktMLK40cq-00JroP; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:30:27 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:30:26 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting multiple BSDs. 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First of all, it's important to understand the different stages of OS booting, as well as the previous stage, likely involving UEFI. In order to select (!) from multiple operating systems, certain things must be neatly prepared or nothing will work as intended. There is a nice write-up by Manish Jain that deals with multi- booting FreeBSD, Linux, and "Windows", but in case you do not want a "Windows", leave out the corresponding parts - it will work in a similar way with multiple BSDs or Linusi, Linuxens, or Linuxera. ;-) Document here: https://github.com/bourne-again/TripleBoot-UEFI/blob/master/00-TripleBoot-UEFI.pdf In case you do _not_ have UEFI (i. e., you're using BIOS-based systems), tools like Grub2 can be really helpful as boot manager. It's easy to configure. > But, my > experience is that keeping them all running is an exercise in "infinite > bug propagation" "Get the worst out of all worlds!" :-) It doesn't matter if you have a multi-OS setting based on bare metal or in VMs - each OS you run will require a certain amount of attention if you want to actually _use_ it for a specific purpose instead of just "booting it". > I would remove three of those drives and run one OS at a time. In ye olden times, when BIOS was the thing in PC world, some BIOS vendors had a drive management option integrated: You could simply logically switch off drives, so they were still powered on, but not detected anymore, so the only drive (and maybe the data exchange drive) active were recognized, and the OS was thinking it was the only one available. Go to BIOS, switch off disk 1, switch on disk 2, and reboot - a totally different OS boots, with no possibility to interfere (!) or to "repair" (!!!) other system's disk content. Today, you have PF12 boot selection. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 19:25:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBEA463B24 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doralitze@chaotikum.org) Received: from mail.chaotikum.net (mail.chaotikum.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:160:3067::9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CYQKs4RPdz3rDp for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doralitze@chaotikum.org) Received: from cryingsilvertomb.technikradio.org (p5b3eca47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.62.202.71]) by mail.chaotikum.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8451A206E4 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:25:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: Filesystem Passthrough to FreeBSD guest on libvirt/KVM References: <8cdb3c6b-1ecf-43f2-185f-72556762872d@chaotikum.org> From: Leon Christopher Dietrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <8cdb3c6b-1ecf-43f2-185f-72556762872d@chaotikum.org> Message-ID: <27cd9036-70d4-c090-7511-02d8111d0dea@chaotikum.org> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:25:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8cdb3c6b-1ecf-43f2-185f-72556762872d@chaotikum.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CYQKs4RPdz3rDp X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doralitze@chaotikum.org has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:4f8:160:3067::9) smtp.mailfrom=doralitze@chaotikum.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a01:4f8:160:3067::9:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a01:4f8:160:3067::9:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[chaotikum.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[91.62.202.71:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:25:55 -0000 Hi there, I'm hoping I'm on the right mailing list with my question. I'm currently running a FreeBSD guest on an libvirt and KVM based hypervisor. On said machine I'm mounting a folder located on the hv using SMB. I've used NFS in the past but switched to samba for performance reasons, which helped a lot but it's still a bottle neck. So I thought about using virtio's 9p mapping. I'm aware that there is currently an ongoing effort on porting 9pfs to bhyve in order to serve Linux guests with a file system pass-through but after an extended amount of research I couldn't find information on how to mount a 9p shared directory within a FreeBSD guest. Is it possible to do so? If so: could anyone point me to appropriate documentation please? If not: Is there any better way to do so? Thanks in advance! Doralitze P.S. I've got root privileges on the hypervisor and installing packages on that machine is possible but I'm afraid switching to VMWare or Virtualbox isn't an option. 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In-Reply-To: <20201114113026.5e093b5f.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <3e235e4f8da5018abbd1d05a1976c7a9@riseup.net> <20201114113026.5e093b5f.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <0b9db732acb3c77674566a189cc387b4@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CYQV73mVzz3rgP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=XB3CFM/w; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of weaver@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=weaver@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:33:04 -0000 On 14-11-2020 20:30, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:29 -0800, David Christensen wrote: >> I am confident that there are several boot managers, likely one for each >> of those four OS's, that can find multiple bootable OS drives/ slices/ >> partitions and allow you to boot the OS of your choice. > > First of all, it's important to understand the different stages > of OS booting, as well as the previous stage, likely involving > UEFI. In order to select (!) from multiple operating systems, > certain things must be neatly prepared or nothing will work > as intended. > > There is a nice write-up by Manish Jain that deals with multi- > booting FreeBSD, Linux, and "Windows", but in case you do not > want a "Windows", leave out the corresponding parts - it will > work in a similar way with multiple BSDs or Linusi, Linuxens, > or Linuxera. ;-) > > Document here: > > https://github.com/bourne-again/TripleBoot-UEFI/blob/master/00-TripleBoot-UEFI.pdf > > In case you do _not_ have UEFI (i. e., you're using BIOS-based > systems), tools like Grub2 can be really helpful as boot manager. > It's easy to configure. > > > >> But, my >> experience is that keeping them all running is an exercise in "infinite >> bug propagation" > > "Get the worst out of all worlds!" :-) > > It doesn't matter if you have a multi-OS setting based on > bare metal or in VMs - each OS you run will require a certain > amount of attention if you want to actually _use_ it for a > specific purpose instead of just "booting it". > > > >> I would remove three of those drives and run one OS at a time. > > In ye olden times, when BIOS was the thing in PC world, some > BIOS vendors had a drive management option integrated: You > could simply logically switch off drives, so they were still > powered on, but not detected anymore, so the only drive (and > maybe the data exchange drive) active were recognized, and > the OS was thinking it was the only one available. Go to BIOS, > switch off disk 1, switch on disk 2, and reboot - a totally > different OS boots, with no possibility to interfere (!) or > to "repair" (!!!) other system's disk content. > > Today, you have PF12 boot selection. :-) Great! Thanks for that. Harry Weaver. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀