From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 10:22:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC3AE37B424 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from host213-123-58-194.dialup.lineone.co.uk (HELO jmdoliv) (213.123.58.194) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2001 17:22:22 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:18:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: installation CD Message-ID: <3B080A6B.769.106336F4@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i dont think i have overlooked anything completely obvious, but i cant see an answer to this in any of the docs: I have a 3.x distribution from FTP, and access to a CD-burner, so what layout do i need to use to write the files onto a CD so that i can boot or just install from this (i'm not sure the motherboard supports CD-booting) thanks Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 11: 8:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f240.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5367F37B422 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:43 -0700 Received: from 24.130.49.190 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2001 18:08:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.130.49.190] From: "Ron Smith" To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation CD Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2001 18:08:43.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7B4E410:01C0E157] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to make the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the FreeBSD.org site. The following is an example: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ Ron >From: jmdupx@yahoo.com >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org >Subject: installation CD >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:18:19 +0100 > >i dont think i have overlooked anything completely obvious, but i >cant see an answer to this in any of the docs: > >I have a 3.x distribution from FTP, and access to a CD-burner, so >what layout do i need to use to write the files onto a CD so that i >can boot or just install from this (i'm not sure the motherboard >supports CD-booting) > >thanks >Mark > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 11:27: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.runbox.com (pluto.runbox.com [193.71.199.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F208E37B422 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ahtwang@runbox.com) Received: from [137.158.107.55] (helo=aht) by pluto.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 151Xun-0003rI-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 May 2001 20:26:53 +0200 Message-ID: <004201c0e15a$8bc19600$376b9e89@smuts.uct.ac.za> From: "Alex Wang" To: Subject: Question: stable vs release? Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:26:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All Could anyone tell me the difference between 'stable' and 'release'? I've only recently realised that there's a difference... :P And I heard that 5.0-release is due out this month....maybe I should hold off updating my sources and just install 5.0-release... Ah...my system is a mess... Regards Alex Wang ============================ Hsi-Ting (Alex) Wang, ahtwang@yahoo.com.tw wnghsi004@mail.uct.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 12:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8634C37B42C for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from host62-6-71-218.dialup.lineone.co.uk (HELO jmdoliv) (62.6.71.218) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2001 19:57:44 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: ronnetron@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:53:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: installation CD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3B082ED0.7811.10F16620@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a full ISO in several chunks ? thanx again Mark On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > From: "Ron Smith" > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: installation CD > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to make > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the FreeBSD.org > site. The following is an example: > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > Ron _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 14: 1:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28ABF37B43C for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 14:01:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from host62-6-71-218.dialup.lineone.co.uk (HELO jmdoliv) (62.6.71.218) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2001 21:01:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: jmdupx@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: installation CD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3B083DDF.27828.112C3963@localhost> In-reply-to: <3B082ED0.7811.10F16620@localhost> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'll jump in and answer my own question here - my bet is on the CD layout being an exact match of the ftp-tree thanx, Mark On 20 May 2001, at 20:53, jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: > any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a full ISO in several chunks ? > > thanx again > Mark > > On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > > > From: "Ron Smith" > > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: installation CD > > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to make > > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the FreeBSD.org > > site. The following is an example: > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > > > Ron > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 14:19: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin2.email.bigpond.com (juicer14.bigpond.com [139.134.6.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AD337B424 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 14:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.56]) by mailin2.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDNKSG00.1CN; Mon, 21 May 2001 07:24:16 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Eccentric-MailRouter V2.9c 5/4860042); 21 May 2001 07:18:29 Message-ID: <013101c0e172$77e52080$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: Cc: References: <3B083DDF.27828.112C3963@localhost> Subject: Re: installation CD Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:18:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 'fraid it isn't .... well not according to Greg Lehey's "Complete FreeBSD" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: Re: installation CD > i'll jump in and answer my own question here - > my bet is on the CD layout being an exact match of the ftp-tree > > thanx, > Mark > > > On 20 May 2001, at 20:53, jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: > > > any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a full ISO in several chunks ? > > > > thanx again > > Mark > > > > On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > > > > > From: "Ron Smith" > > > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > > Subject: Re: installation CD > > > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > > > > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to make > > > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.htm l > > > > > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the FreeBSD.org > > > site. The following is an example: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 14:19:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin3.email.bigpond.com (juicer24.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5F737B42C; Sun, 20 May 2001 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.56]) by mailin3.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDNKTO00.CTE; Mon, 21 May 2001 07:25:00 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Shy-MailRouter V2.9c 5/4860159); 21 May 2001 07:19:13 Message-ID: <013701c0e172$91ff6890$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: installation CD Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:19:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 'fraid it isn't .... well not according to Greg Lehey's "Complete > FreeBSD" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: installation CD > > > > i'll jump in and answer my own question here - > > my bet is on the CD layout being an exact match of the ftp-tree > > > > thanx, > > Mark > > > > > > On 20 May 2001, at 20:53, jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a > full ISO in several chunks ? > > > > > > thanx again > > > Mark > > > > > > On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > > > > > > > From: "Ron Smith" > > > > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > > > Subject: Re: installation CD > > > > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > > > > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > > > > > > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also > need to make > > > > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > > > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.htm > l > > > > > > > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the > FreeBSD.org > > > > site. The following is an example: > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 15:28: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9E437B42C for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4L9w3n44588; Mon, 21 May 2001 03:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:58:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: renzo sy Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'd like to install FreeBSD on my PC In-Reply-To: <20010520164823.34282.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please note that I've moved this to the freebsd-newbies list, probably the most appropriate list for new-user questions. You might also find the freebsd-questions list (for most general inquiries) helpful, as well. Freebsd-doc is really for the development of the documentation. On Sun, 20 May 2001, renzo sy wrote: > At present I only have one PC, with win95 installed, > I have no CDROM drive- but I really want to Download > from the internet a minimun installation of (FreeBSD > release 4.3 or 4.2) > > Can you give me informations as to how and what files > should i download to have minimum installation of 4.3 > release? The first thing you should do is take a look at the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook of particular interest, would be chapter 2, Installing FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > Can I use DOS partition as installation method? Using > all the files I will have to download? You may either download them to your DOS partition, then pont FreeBSD to there, or you can simply install directly from the internet by simply spliiting your DOS partition first, booting from a FreeBSD installation floppy, etc. Instructions for splitting your DOS partition using the FIPS utility are in the handbook. Take a look. I'm sure most of your questions will be answered by a thorough read of Chapter 2. > PS: this is my first time to install freebsd but I > have that burning desire to have it install on my PC That's the right attitude! :) We love to see new users. Go give it a whirl, and let me know if you have problems. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 15:29: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28AF37B63E for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 15:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4KMStk66216; Sun, 20 May 2001 15:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: installation CD Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c0e17c$415ecca0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3B082ED0.7811.10F16620@localhost> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You may want to investigate using the "reget" command under the FTP client. That way if you attemt an ISO transfer and it fails (or is killed) part way through, when you restart you don't have to download the entire part of the ISO file again that you already pulled down. (assuming that you saved the partially transferred file.) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of jmdupx@yahoo.com >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:54 PM >To: ronnetron@hotmail.com >Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: installation CD > > >any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a >full ISO in several chunks ? > >thanx again >Mark > >On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > >> From: "Ron Smith" >> To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org >> Subject: Re: installation CD >> Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 >> >> [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] >> >> I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also >need to make >> the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html >> >> You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the >FreeBSD.org >> site. The following is an example: >> >> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ >> >> Ron > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 20:15: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0848237B422 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 20:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA55817 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 20:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am just about finished with a first draft of this book, tentatively entitled FreeBSD: A Professional Operating System for Your PC. Then with a round of revisions, it should be ready to go to press. The Introduction and first 12 chapters are on my anon ftp site in pdf format (i.e., readable with Acrobat Reader). ftp andrsn.stanford.edu cd /pub/introbook I'm interested in comments from new users who might be especially interested in one or more chapters and also comments from expert who can pick up errors. It's organized as follows: Introduction: The book as a whole Chapter 1: FreeBSD and UNIX Chapters 2-4: Installing. If you've already installed FreeBSD, Chapter 4 might be of interest as it covers configuration from /stand/sysintall. Lots of screen shots of the installation process. Chapters 5-8: These chapters are introductory hands-on finding out about UNIX and FreeBSD--some of the stuff covered in my newuser tutorial in greater detail; looking around, getting around, finding out what's happening; also installing and setting up the bash shell, and editing files (ee, pico, but mainly vi). Chapters 9-11: Packages, ports, and software (run-down on applications from the various categories). An earlier draft of this the latter has been on my ftp site for a while, but has been removed. The highlighted applications are those of interest to new users rather than professionals running major installations, but some of these are mentioned also. Chapters 12-15: What I consider the "big four" that just about everyone wants to get working--connecting to the Internet, sound, X-Window, and printing. Chapters 16-17: Building a kernel and upgrading with cvsup (ports and the system). Chapters 18-21: Other resources; other tasks (getting out of trouble); miscellaneous. Appendix: Hardware Overall, this is directed toward people now using Windows, although there are some notes for linux users trying FreeBSD. Again, I'd really like comments and suggestions; meanwhile you may find it useful. If anyone wants it in a different format I'll consider what I can do. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 20 21:48:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pobox.inspire.net.nz (pobox.inspire.net.nz [203.79.89.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D46237B424 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 21:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bdh@inspire.net.nz) Received: from inspire.net.nz (d129-arthur.inspire.net.nz [203.79.90.129]) by pobox.inspire.net.nz (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4L4nOo10041; Mon, 21 May 2001 16:49:24 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <3B08A1FE.B62B2B77@inspire.net.nz> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:05:02 +1200 From: Bruce Harding X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Annelise Anderson wrote: > > Again, I'd really like comments and suggestions; meanwhile you > may find it useful. If anyone wants it in a different format > I'll consider what I can do. > Do you want feedback on spelling mistakes and grammatical errors as well (which I won't post to the list in future) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 0:45: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D0537B424 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 00:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA56594; Mon, 21 May 2001 00:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Bruce Harding Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3B08A1FE.B62B2B77@inspire.net.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I do want spelling, formatting, grammatical, everything if you like. It's hard to find all of those yourself. Thanks... Annelise On Mon, 21 May 2001, Bruce Harding wrote: > Annelise Anderson wrote: > > > > > Again, I'd really like comments and suggestions; meanwhile you > > may find it useful. If anyone wants it in a different format > > I'll consider what I can do. > > > > Do you want feedback on spelling mistakes and grammatical errors as well > (which I won't post to the list in future) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 14:59: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC5037B43C; Mon, 21 May 2001 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA71C9; Wed, 16 May 2001 14:12:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3B02EBCA.B29A2C4F@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:06:18 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ExBSD References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010513033434.A54250@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B001679.3172B050@acuson.com> <3B00E4F6.10DC397D@mindspring.com> <3B01767A.1C24A9D7@acuson.com> <3B023FFC.A1EC1F0C@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm getting too worked sup, so I'm going to summarize my "I'm leaving" feelings... a) Guilty as charged. I haven't using Windows in over two years. Maybe the current Windows XP is the target we should aim FreeBSD at. I don't know since I've never seen it. But I do know that Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT all sucked. I do not want FreeBSD to suck. b) Graphical installs. I done graphical installs for OS/2, Windows 95, Redhat, Corel, Mandrake, Caldera and SuSE. I have done non-graphical installs for DOS, DRDOS, GeoWorks, Debian, Slackware and FreeBSD. The two easiest OS installations I have ever done were Slackware and FreeBSD. You are never going to get a graphical FreeBSD install as easy to use as the OEM's "recovery disk" until you get the cooperation of the OEM. And the people building their own boxes will still be screwed (just like they're already screwed trying to install Windows on their homebuilds). If the user is going to be intimidated by a text-based installer, then maybe, just maybe, FreeBSD is not for them. c) Changing FreeBSD. I may have problems with the certain things in the current implementation of FreeBSD, but I have no problems with the direction in which I see it going. You will NEVER be able to please everyone. But feel free to fork off another version. That's what Mac OS X did. That's what Corel and Storm did with Debian. That's what Mandrake did with Redhat. d) I once was part of a tiny group exploring the possibility of forking off a Newbie-BSD OS. We spent a lot of time arguing over default desktops, graphical installers, etc. But the project faded away and died as we realized that what was really needed was more drivers, better drivers and better hardware detection. I never could get Corel LinuxOS to install on my system. The problem was that it kept trying to probe my video card. But the XFree86 documentation says never to probe my video card. I'm sure that Corel could have qualified as one of my easiest installations. Unfortunately, it made the wrong decision between ease of use and correctness. I hear Corel LinuxOS is all but gone now. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 15:17:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web11806.mail.yahoo.com (web11806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2F0637B43C for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010521221737.68046.qmail@web11806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.181.127.42] by web11806.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 May 2001 15:17:37 PDT Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: Hello To: Brian Raynes , Delmonik Contee , freebsd newbies In-Reply-To: <3B0423A5.FD1CEA82@dnr.state.ak.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While we're at it, I'd like to point out what I consider a highly undermentioned resource: /usr/local/share/examples After weeks of mucking around trying to get ppp working, I just copied the sample one (/usr/local/share/examples/ppp.conf.sample, I think,) to /etc/ppp/ppp.conf, and it automagically worked! Ditto cvsup and it's supfiles. --- Brian Raynes wrote: > Delmonik Contee wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I am extremely interested in educating myself > on the > > configuration and utilization of FreeBSD. I was > wondering if I could > > get some information on good beginners material. > > Start with the free documentation. The freebsd.org > website has links > to the Freebsd Handbook and some other good docs > that are newbie > specific. These contain some basic UNIX material > that will be > applicable with FreeBSD or other UNIX operating > systems. > > For more generic UNIX stuff that will apply to > actually using FreeBSD, > check out O'Reilly books. Another book that's good > is UNIX System > Administration by Evi Nemeth and others. It gets > lots of good > recommendations and I can say that it's been very > informative to me, > as a newbie. > > Special mention should go to Greg Lehey's "The > Complete FreeBSD". It > was last updated for the 3.x release branch, but is > still quite > applicable. The author is pretty active on the > freebsd-questions list > and many people can provide help where the 4.x > branch differs from the > 3.x branch. As a newbie, using Greg's book, I got > hung up on some > simple things that were due to these differences, > but was able to find > answers in the mailing list archives and the > Handbook. > > The handbook had some extensive updates done last > year that greatly > improved it's helpfulness to me. If you're feeling > like starting > cheap before shelling out bucks for books, start > with those free docs, > they're free but you get much more than you pay for! > > >I have a PC with > > Windows 2000 professional and was wondering if it > would be possible > > for me to set up a dual boot with FreeBSD 4.2. > > I can't help you specifically there, but there are > other docs that > cover sharing freebsd with other operating systems. > I'm not sure if > Win2K is covered there yet, but if not, I suspect > that the NT stuff > might apply. And I'm positive there will be similar > questions in the > archives of the freebsd-questions mailing list, > since the desire to > dual boot with Windows is very, very common. > > Good luck. As a newbie that has been lurking here > for some time, I > can tell you that a little reading of the available > docs, plus reading > Greg Lehey's regularly posted message regarding > asking good questions > on freebsd-questions, will go a long ways toward > getting help from > what I have found to be a very knowledgeable and > helpful group (when > treated nicely). > > Brian Raynes > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 16: 1: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin10.bigpond.com (juicer35.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2443E37B42C; Mon, 21 May 2001 16:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.56]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDPK6B00.CPJ; Tue, 22 May 2001 09:06:11 +1000 Received: from 144.137.128.187 ([144.137.128.187]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Provisional-MailRouter V2.9c 5/5337693); 22 May 2001 09:00:33 Message-ID: <014301c0e249$debd93f0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "David Johnson" , Cc: References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010513033434.A54250@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B001679.3172B050@acuson.com> <3B00E <3B02EBCA.B29A2C4F@acuson.com> Subject: Re: ExBSD Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:00:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From my point of view (having done a few hundred FreeBSD installs) there isn't much to pick from between Windows & FreeBSD installation. The difficulty comes trying to configure X / sound / printers / ppp / etc. There are two factors here ... firstly, the original use of unix appears to have been as a research / development tool rather than as a mass market desktop / gameplaying platform. Developers & other assorted geeks will accept horribly user hostile things like vi, lpr, X, ppp, etc, that certainly couldn't be described as "user friendly" to non-experienced users. I'm not suggesting FreeBSD can be (or should be) suitable for everyone ... there are even countless "levels of enlightenment" within the faithful. I'm quite impressed by its performance for webservers etc, but I couldn't imagine using FreeBSD in its current form as a workstation. For those of us wanting relatively basic functionality, X is a useless poxridden waste of space, vi is an exercise in needless complexity, lpr is an extremely messy abortion etc etc. Secondly, the traditional documentation was written by extremely experienced users who had long forgotten to mention the countless minor but critical points essential to someone less knowledgeable. Man pages may have relevance to the former but are utterly useless to the latter. Thankfully things have improved recently, at least the handbook has & various other books / resource sites have appeared to help fill the gap .... however man pages in general are still written in martian / venusian / whatever & following the time honored tradition of emulating "books with blank pages apart from chapter headings". FWIW, my thoughts are that "task based" documentation would help both newbies & "real world" sysadmins. People who are unfamiliar with the terminology / history / ethos / culture / blah blah don't always have the time / inclination / ability to devote days in a search for information needed to get something working "NOW". eg I wrote the Pedantic FreeBSD for people without the knowledge or time to read several books before starting an installation. The typical user here has little need to know more than how to boot, how to shutdown, & how to "adduser / rmuser", so why subject them to reading heaps of stuff that will go way over their head anyway ?? I think this is probably the main reason that "user-freindly" resource sites have proliferated ... they provide a means for users to do the task at hand without needing to become an instant expert. It may be that the present arrangement is the best overall .... the experts have their preferred docs format in the man pages & everyone else has the handbook / user-friendly resource sites. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: ExBSD > I'm getting too worked sup, so I'm going to summarize my "I'm leaving" > feelings... > > a) Guilty as charged. I haven't using Windows in over two years. Maybe > the current Windows XP is the target we should aim FreeBSD at. I don't > know since I've never seen it. But I do know that Windows 95, Windows 98 > and Windows NT all sucked. I do not want FreeBSD to suck. > > b) Graphical installs. I done graphical installs for OS/2, Windows 95, > Redhat, Corel, Mandrake, Caldera and SuSE. I have done non-graphical > installs for DOS, DRDOS, GeoWorks, Debian, Slackware and FreeBSD. The > two easiest OS installations I have ever done were Slackware and > FreeBSD. > > You are never going to get a graphical FreeBSD install as easy to use as > the OEM's "recovery disk" until you get the cooperation of the OEM. And > the people building their own boxes will still be screwed (just like > they're already screwed trying to install Windows on their homebuilds). > > If the user is going to be intimidated by a text-based installer, then > maybe, just maybe, FreeBSD is not for them. > > c) Changing FreeBSD. I may have problems with the certain things in the > current implementation of FreeBSD, but I have no problems with the > direction in which I see it going. You will NEVER be able to please > everyone. But feel free to fork off another version. That's what Mac OS > X did. That's what Corel and Storm did with Debian. That's what Mandrake > did with Redhat. > > d) I once was part of a tiny group exploring the possibility of forking > off a Newbie-BSD OS. We spent a lot of time arguing over default > desktops, graphical installers, etc. But the project faded away and died > as we realized that what was really needed was more drivers, better > drivers and better hardware detection. > > I never could get Corel LinuxOS to install on my system. The problem was > that it kept trying to probe my video card. But the XFree86 > documentation says never to probe my video card. I'm sure that Corel > could have qualified as one of my easiest installations. Unfortunately, > it made the wrong decision between ease of use and correctness. I hear > Corel LinuxOS is all but gone now. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 22:36:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA26937B422 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricky500r@home.com) Received: from ci83514a ([24.6.115.35]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20010522053634.KPKF4073.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@ci83514a> for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:36:34 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c0e281$984b1590$23730618@ci83514a> From: "RDWest Sr." To: Subject: is anyone on here? test Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:39:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org testing 1 2 3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 22:37:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f257.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245ED37B422 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:37:27 -0700 Received: from 24.130.49.190 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2001 05:37:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.130.49.190] From: "Ron Smith" To: jmdupx@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation CD Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:37:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2001 05:37:27.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[49750C00:01C0E281] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Mondays are rough :-(. Yeah, anyway. The ISO image I was refering to is a full 600MB+ down load, and it would include *all* of the install options (minimal to full blown with the ports and packages and everything). And, you don't have to worry about your computer supporting 'autoboot', in regards to the CD you would burn from the ISO, because of the boot floppies you would make. Ron >From: jmdupx@yahoo.com >To: ronnetron@hotmail.com >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: installation CD >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:53:36 +0100 > >any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a full ISO in >several chunks ? > >thanx again >Mark > >On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > > > From: "Ron Smith" > > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: installation CD > > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to >make > > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the >FreeBSD.org > > site. The following is an example: > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > > > Ron > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 22:39:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin7.bigpond.com (juicer38.bigpond.com [139.134.6.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1316C37B43C for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin7.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDQ2M500.8FH; Tue, 22 May 2001 15:44:29 +1000 Received: from 144.137.128.187 ([144.137.128.187]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Decisive-MailRouter V2.9c 9/13401386); 22 May 2001 15:38:52 Message-ID: <021901c0e281$8363fac0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "RDWest Sr." , References: <001801c0e281$984b1590$23730618@ci83514a> Subject: Re: is anyone on here? test Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:38:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You'll incur the wrath of someone if you post "test" messages to regular lists. There is a special "test" list for that purpose :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDWest Sr." To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: is anyone on here? test > testing 1 2 3 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 21 22:51:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f195.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0B237B422 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 May 2001 22:51:31 -0700 Received: from 24.130.49.190 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2001 05:51:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.130.49.190] From: "Ron Smith" To: jmdupx@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation CD Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:51:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2001 05:51:31.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[40A1E9C0:01C0E283] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tend to think not (I could be wrong). These are the ISO images I use myself when I do installs. It's probably the same image as the CD you could *buy* from BSDi, let's say. But, why would you do that :-). Ron >From: jmdupx@yahoo.com >To: jmdupx@yahoo.com >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: installation CD >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:57:51 +0100 > >i'll jump in and answer my own question here - >my bet is on the CD layout being an exact match of the ftp-tree > >thanx, >Mark > > >On 20 May 2001, at 20:53, jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: > > > any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a full ISO >in several chunks ? > > > > thanx again > > Mark > > > > On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > > > > > From: "Ron Smith" > > > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > > Subject: Re: installation CD > > > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > > > > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to >make > > > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > > > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > > > > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the >FreeBSD.org > > > site. The following is an example: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 0:11:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525FC37B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 00:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricky500r@home.com) Received: from ci83514a ([24.6.115.35]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20010522071132.KPNP4073.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@ci83514a> for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 00:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c0e28e$dcd628f0$23730618@ci83514a> From: "RDWest Sr." To: References: <001801c0e281$984b1590$23730618@ci83514a> Subject: Retail v4.0 Questions? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi yall, i got the retail v4.0 at best buy store a few months back... i'm haveing a problem with finding packages.... any support for 4.0? last question for now... lol i installed downloader that came on disk... if i can browse http and see a file, i can drag and copy to my desktop... but if i click any download link, it tries to show me a page... what package do i need for clk d/ling? sorry for my ignorace, i'm a noob :) tx in advance... RDWest Sr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 0:17:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90ECD37B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 00:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id DAA22011; Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:45 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d14.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d14.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.26]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id DAA23748; Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:15:37 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Annelise Anderson Cc: Bruce Harding , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 21 May 2001, Annelise Anderson wrote: > Yes, I do want spelling, formatting, grammatical, everything if you > like. It's hard to find all of those yourself. I sent the URL to your book to my Unix Mentor because you mentioned that, in the book, you spend more time with vi than other options as editors. So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then says you did it with $mswurd!??! What kind of statement is _that_? You do a book on FBSD, and use $ms tools to produce it? Tell me he is mistaken. I shudder to go look for myself as he's _never_ been wrong on this sort of thing. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 2:47:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shutdown.com (adsl-151-202-29-28.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.202.29.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B12537B422 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 02:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@shutdown.com) From: "John" To: Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:26:54 -0700 Reply-To: "John" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010522094755.4B12537B422@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey there, I found a great retail site with all kinds of products. Home decor, office decor, travel, outdoors, kitchen, etc... Take a look around at http://www.merchandisewholesale.com just click on the images of the product to enlarge it for a better view. Sincerely, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 7: 1:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDCA37B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 07:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id HAA09851 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 07:01:36 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id HAA24924 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 07:01:35 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 May 2001 09:01:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:01:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And why not use their own tools against them? Remember, the book is aimed at those who are coming from that environment! -- So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then says you did it with $mswurd!??! What kind of statement is _that_? You do a book on FBSD, and use $ms tools to produce it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 8:45: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from h24-69-46-74.gv.shawcable.net (h24-69-46-74.gv.shawcable.net [24.69.46.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D708C37B42C for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@327.ca) Received: from h24-69-46-74.gv.shawcable.net (localhost.gv.shawcable.net [127.0.0.1]) by h24-69-46-74.gv.shawcable.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f4MFm8P02012; Tue, 22 May 2001 08:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@327.ca) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Michael O'Henly" Reply-To: michael@327.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:48:08 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: Cc: ML Duke MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01052208480800.01995@h24-69-46-74.gv.shawcable.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 21 May 2001 23:15, ML Duke wrote: [...] > So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then > says you did it with $mswurd!??! > What kind of statement is _that_? > You do a book on FBSD, and use $ms tools to produce it? > Tell me he is mistaken. > I shudder to go look for myself as he's _never_ > been wrong on this sort of thing. He is mistaken. Not about the use of Word, but to think that it actually matters. As Freud is supposed to have said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Well, sometimes a word processor is just a word processor, and not a political statement. The world is full of people who will read a manuscript, say something dismissive about it being "not bad for a draft", then zero in on the software used to create it. You could find a better mentor, IMHO. M. -- Michael O'Henly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 9:57: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400B937B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 09:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4MGuck72393; Tue, 22 May 2001 09:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "ML Duke" , "Annelise Anderson" Cc: "Bruce Harding" , Subject: RE: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:56:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c0e2e0$2b00d380$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can look at the pdf to see what was used to produce it, worse than MS Word though is Adobe. ;-) However, keep this in mind, most publishers require submittal in electronic form, and MS Word format is frequently preferred over ASCII or other format. She may not have had any choice. Anyway, it's not like the UNIX community has no truck with MS Word format files - look at the wv program, and I think that the major wordprocessing programs (star office, etc) also digest the format. Also, one other thing - if everyone standardizes on Microsoft Word 97 format files, then it makes it incredibly difficult for Microsoft to be able to get away with changing the file format. I think that Orifice 2000 uses Word 97 format, and that the upcoming Orafice XP will use it too. Consider that one of the ways Microsoft has forced people in the past to buy new versions of Orafice was by changing the file format, and you can see how damaging it is to them if everyone forces compliance with a set format, no matter who creates the format. As of now no one has incentive to upgrade to the new version of Orafice so this really hurts their sales. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:16 PM >To: Annelise Anderson >Cc: Bruce Harding; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD > > >On Mon, 21 May 2001, Annelise Anderson wrote: > >> Yes, I do want spelling, formatting, grammatical, everything if you >> like. It's hard to find all of those yourself. > >I sent the URL to your book to my Unix Mentor because you mentioned >that, in the book, you spend more time with vi than other options >as editors. > >So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then >says you did it with $mswurd!??! > >What kind of statement is _that_? > >You do a book on FBSD, and use $ms tools to produce it? > >Tell me he is mistaken. >I shudder to go look for myself as he's _never_ >been wrong on this sort of thing. > >Duke > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 10:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F00F37B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 10:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA65CD; Tue, 22 May 2001 10:23:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:17:21 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ML Duke wrote: > So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then > says you did it with $mswurd!??! > > What kind of statement is _that_? Hee, hee. I can offer two comebacks, but not being the author, I can't say for sure. 1) If you know MSWurd very well, then it is going to be easier to write the book in MSWurd than in StarOffice or Applix. You will need to format the final document, and it's easier and faster to format in a WYSIWYG word processor than to use DocBook, TeX or groff macros. 2) Publishers accept submissions in MSWord only, for the most part. A publisher once wanted to contract with me to proofread and technical edit a Linux programming book. But the galley was in MSWord and I had submit all corrections and edits as inplace MSWord comments. Since the job wouldn't pay enough to cover a harddrive+Windows+MSOffice, I had to turn it down. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 11:31: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E398637B43F for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 11:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricky500r@home.com) Received: from ci83514a ([24.6.115.35]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20010522183103.KTUG4073.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@ci83514a>; Tue, 22 May 2001 11:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c0e2ed$ca24cdb0$23730618@ci83514a> From: "RDWest Sr." To: "David Johnson" , "ML Duke" Cc: References: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com> Subject: charset errors... plz help? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:34:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, could someone plz help me with charset errors... when i hit backspace, i get ^H... i've went into font properties and everywhere i can find... where do i fix this... when i log off, screen has WRONG CHARSET .... tx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 11:42:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8DC237B43C for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 11:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from host213-123-69-172.dialup.lineone.co.uk (HELO jmdoliv) (213.123.69.172) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2001 18:42:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: "Ron Smith" Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:37:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: installation CD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3B0AC006.24985.1AF906E1@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org .... how did i miss this - layout.txt seems to have the answer << If you want to do a CDROM, FTP or NFS installation from this distribution directory, all you need to do is make a pair of 1.44MB floppies >> so a part-burned CD looks like it is an option for some kind of basic install, as long as I burn using ISO thanks, Mark On 21 May 2001, at 22:37, Ron Smith wrote: > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Mondays are rough :-(. Yeah, > anyway. The ISO image I was refering to is a full 600MB+ down load, and it > would include *all* of the install options (minimal to full blown with the > ports and packages and everything). And, you don't have to worry about your > computer supporting 'autoboot', in regards to the CD you would burn from the > ISO, because of the boot floppies you would make. > > Ron > > >From: jmdupx@yahoo.com > >To: ronnetron@hotmail.com > >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > >Subject: Re: installation CD > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:53:36 +0100 > > > >any way to burn just a basic install to a CD, or to download a full ISO in > >several chunks ? > > > >thanx again > >Mark > > > >On 20 May 2001, at 11:08, Ron Smith wrote: > > > > > From: "Ron Smith" > > > To: jmdupx@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > > Subject: Re: installation CD > > > Date sent: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:08:42 -0700 > > > > > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > > > > > I would select the ISO mode for burning the CD. You will also need to > >make > > > the install floppies. Instructions on that can be found at: > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > > > > > You can also burn a CD from an ISO image you can access at the > >FreeBSD.org > > > site. The following is an example: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 12:46:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4267437B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scaturan@lomag.net) Received: from lomag.net (sdn-ar-003njhackP247.dialsprint.net [158.252.38.137]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26700 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:46:19 -0700 (PDT) From: scaturan@lomag.net Message-ID: <3B0AC28D.2C4B785C@lomag.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:48:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: charset errors... plz help? References: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com> <000601c0e2ed$ca24cdb0$23730618@ci83514a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies "RDWest Sr." wrote: > > hi, > could someone plz help me with charset errors... when i hit backspace, > i get ^H... i've went into font properties and everywhere i can find... > where do i fix this... when i log off, screen has WRONG CHARSET .... > tx > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 12:49:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell18.ba.best.com (shell18.ba.best.com [206.184.139.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DED37B43E for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phinger@shell18.ba.best.com) Received: from localhost (phinger@localhost) by shell18.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) with ESMTP id MAA27043 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam LaBarge To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: natd -redirect_port trouble Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am trying to redirect port 113 from my router running freebsd4.2. This is what I am trying, and the errors I am getting, any help is wanted. natd -redirect_port tcp from 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:113 the error is: form is missing port number I also tried /sbin/natd -n fxp0 -redirect_port tcp 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:113 error is: unable to bind divert socket.: address is already in use thanks -adam Windows 95 - All you ever wanted in an operating system, and less... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 12:58:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A630237B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from pobox3.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA04980 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:58:12 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox3.mot.com (MOT-pobox3 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA17910 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:52:01 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "'scaturan@lomag.net'" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: charset errors... plz help? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try the command % stty erase I am not sure it will fix all of it, it will make your terminal use the backspace perform the key's listed function. PS. They get mad with questions on this list. "RDWest Sr." wrote: > > hi, > could someone plz help me with charset errors... when i hit backspace, > i get ^H... i've went into font properties and everywhere i can find... > where do i fix this... when i log off, screen has WRONG CHARSET .... > tx > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 13:43:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FC937B422 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricky500r@home.com) Received: from ci83514a ([24.6.115.35]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20010522204307.KVGW4073.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@ci83514a>; Tue, 22 May 2001 13:43:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c0e300$3d65c9c0$23730618@ci83514a> From: "RDWest Sr." To: "Libby Charles-CCL044" , , References: Subject: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:46:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i spent 60 freaking bucks for this OS at best buy... it specifies in the BOOK for support to join this list.... i'm a newbie to bsd and i know everyone who has never even seen a unix-like os is going to ask some dumb questions... i've been useing win32 servers and would like to learn the bsd os... now since i can't find ports and packages for v4.0 retail, i d/led the iso of 4.3.... can i plz get some help here? i did a clean install... no errors.. installed and started up fine... i startx and right clk my desktop (or in any dir) and select NEW>dir it gives error saying( the template file /usr/local/share/templates/.source/emptydir doesn't exist ) can someone zip this templates folder up for me or let me know where to get it? rd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 14:29:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F8237B422 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA02661; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d19.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d19.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.31]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA08797; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:27:25 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Libby Charles-CCL044 Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Introductory Book on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 May 2001, Libby Charles-CCL044 wrote: > And why not use their own tools against them? Remember, the book is aimed at those who are coming from that environment! So typeset it with TeX and show them what a real document looks like. Duke > -- > > So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then > says you did it with $mswurd!??! > > What kind of statement is _that_? > > You do a book on FBSD, and use $ms tools to produce it? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 14:30:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5E037B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA03387; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d19.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d19.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.31]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA15311; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:28:20 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Libby Charles-CCL044 Cc: "'scaturan@lomag.net'" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: charset errors... plz help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 May 2001, Libby Charles-CCL044 wrote: > PS. They get mad with questions on this list. Let them. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 14:33:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin9.bigpond.com (juicer34.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E6337B43E; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:33:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.57]) by mailin9.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDRASX00.ETT; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:38:57 +1000 Received: from 144.137.128.187 ([144.137.128.187]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Vivid-MailRouter V2.9c 3/5185936); 23 May 2001 07:33:36 Message-ID: <00d401c0e306$d9942ed0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "RDWest Sr." , "Libby Charles-CCL044" , , Cc: References: <000a01c0e300$3d65c9c0$23730618@ci83514a> Subject: Re: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:33:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > i spent 60 freaking bucks for this OS at best buy... it specifies in > the BOOK for support to join this list.... What would you have paid for a Microsoft equivalent ?? eg W2K Advanced Server > i'm a newbie to bsd and i know everyone who has never even seen a > unix-like os is going to ask some dumb questions... i've been useing > win32 servers and would like to learn the bsd os... now since i can't find > ports and packages for v4.0 retail, i d/led the iso of 4.3.... > "packages" can be accessed from /stand/sysinstall ports can be accessed from /usr/ports/xxxxxx & run "make install" (assuming you've installed the ports distribution from /stand/sysinstall first) > > i did a clean install... no errors.. installed and started up fine... > i startx and right clk my desktop (or in any dir) and select NEW>dir it > gives error saying( the template file > /usr/local/share/templates/.source/emptydir doesn't exist ) > huh .... sounds like something in X (which I don't use) so maybe an X guru can answer that To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 14:36:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77D037B422 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA07412; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:36:32 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d19.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d19.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.31]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA11934; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:34:18 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 May 2001, David Johnson wrote: > 1) If you know MSWurd very well, then it is going to be easier to write > the book in MSWurd than in StarOffice or Applix. You will need to format > the final document, and it's easier and faster to format in a WYSIWYG > word processor than to use DocBook, TeX or groff macros. I would strongly disagree. > 2) Publishers accept submissions in MSWord only, for the most part. Last one I dealt with (Northlight Books) wanted plain ASCII text. Period. Duke > edit a Linux programming book. But the galley was in MSWord and I had > submit all corrections and edits as inplace MSWord comments. Since the > job wouldn't pay enough to cover a harddrive+Windows+MSOffice, I had to > turn it down. You could use WP for Linux and save it as a wordcrash file (dependent upon the version acceptable, mine will convers up to 6.0/7.0 without problems -- as long as you don't confuse wordcrash with good fonts). Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 14:39:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin3.email.bigpond.com (juicer24.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1580937B422 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.53]) by mailin3.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDRB3000.4TT; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:45:00 +1000 Received: from 144.137.128.187 ([144.137.128.187]) by mail0.bigpond.com (Claudes-Lean-n-Mean-MailRouter V2.9c 13/937269); 23 May 2001 07:39:37 Message-ID: <00e601c0e307$b202ad50$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "ML Duke" , "Annelise Anderson" Cc: "Bruce Harding" , References: <000101c0e2e0$2b00d380$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:39:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think that Orifice 2000 uses Word 97 format, and that > the upcoming Orafice XP will use it too. Don't think so ..... at least some of the 2000 formats have changed ... definitely Publisher but from memory Word / Excel / Access as well. Like you say its a good case for running StarOffice on the Win9x / W2K systems required for apps impractical to run with emulator / VMWare / etc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 14:52: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin6.bigpond.com (juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F12837B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 14:51:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDRBNJ00.B27; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:57:19 +1000 Received: from 144.137.128.187 ([144.137.128.187]) by mail7.bigpond.com (Claudes-Selfless-MailRouter V2.9c 15/14546733); 23 May 2001 07:51:55 Message-ID: <00fe01c0e309$6a574950$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "ML Duke" , "David Johnson" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:51:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org StarOffice forever !!!!!!! :) > > 1) If you know MSWurd very well, then it is going to be easier to write > > the book in MSWurd than in StarOffice or Applix. You will need to format > > the final document, and it's easier and faster to format in a WYSIWYG > > word processor than to use DocBook, TeX or groff macros. > > I would strongly disagree. > > > 2) Publishers accept submissions in MSWord only, for the most part. > > Last one I dealt with (Northlight Books) wanted plain ASCII > text. Period. > > Duke > > > edit a Linux programming book. But the galley was in MSWord and I had > > submit all corrections and edits as inplace MSWord comments. Since the > > job wouldn't pay enough to cover a harddrive+Windows+MSOffice, I had to > > turn it down. > > You could use WP for Linux and save it as a wordcrash file > (dependent upon the version acceptable, mine will convers > up to 6.0/7.0 without problems -- as long as you don't confuse > wordcrash with good fonts). > > Duke > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 15:10:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell18.ba.best.com (shell18.ba.best.com [206.184.139.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D5937B42C for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phinger@shell18.ba.best.com) Received: from localhost (phinger@localhost) by shell18.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) with ESMTP id PAA18695 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam LaBarge To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: getsock Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HI, I am trying to pipe one of my machines in my network. To limits its access to the cable modem. This is what I am trying ipfw add pipe 1 ip from 10.0.0.7 to any out the error is getsockopt(IP_FW_ADD) I looked this up in passed news postings and also on the net. All I can seem to figure out is that it might have something to do with conflicting versions of something. What that something is I am not sure. Also, do I need to have dummynet in my kernel. I have all other firewall options set up. Thank -adam Windows 95 - All you ever wanted in an operating system, and less... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 17:45:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD8037B43C for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA66204; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: ML Duke , Bruce Harding , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Introductory Book on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <000101c0e2e0$2b00d380$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 May 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > You can look at the pdf to see what was used to produce it, > worse than MS Word though is Adobe. ;-) > > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke > >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:16 PM > >To: Annelise Anderson > >Cc: Bruce Harding; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD > > > >I sent the URL to your book to my Unix Mentor because you mentioned > >that, in the book, you spend more time with vi than other options > >as editors. > > > >So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then > >says you did it with $mswurd!??! > > > >What kind of statement is _that_? > > > >You do a book on FBSD, and use $ms tools to produce it? > > > >Tell me he is mistaken. No, he's not mistaken--Word 97, Adobe Photoshop, Acrobat Distiller. But I don't like to debate this sort of issue, so in my own defense I offer only this, from the Colophon to _Unix System Administration Handbook_, Third Edition, Evi Nemeth et.al (a wonderful book, even for newbies): "We produced the first edition of this book with the UNIX troff package. For the second edition, we used a MacIntosh. We produced this third editon entirely on Microsoft Windows 95, 98, and 2000....We used Adobe FrameMaker for layout, with Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop for graphics and illustrations. We also used Adobe Acrobat throughout the production process. It allowed us to distribute chapters and graphic files to many different people without worrying about fonts or application compatibility. We delivered the final manuscript as an Acrobat file, too." Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 22 17:50:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDD137B424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801A96ACBC; Wed, 23 May 2001 10:20:42 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:20:42 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David Johnson Cc: ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010523102042.C76823@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:17:21AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 22 May 2001 at 10:17:21 -0700, David Johnson wrote: > ML Duke wrote: > >> So he has a look, says basically "not bad for a draft," and then >> says you did it with $mswurd!??! >> >> What kind of statement is _that_? > > Hee, hee. I can offer two comebacks, but not being the author, I can't > say for sure. > > 1) If you know MSWurd very well, then it is going to be easier to write > the book in MSWurd than in StarOffice or Applix. You will need to format > the final document, and it's easier and faster to format in a WYSIWYG > word processor than to use DocBook, TeX or groff macros. There are two issues here: 1. Ease of writing is not the same thing as document quality. I don't want to pick on Annelise: after all, this is a draft. You'll note, though, that the paragraphs are not right-justified. I suspect I know the reason for this, and it's a good one: MSword doesn't give you the control over hyphenation that more professional tools do. If I were constrained to write in MSword, I'd probably punt on the right justification too. 2. StarOffice and Applix aren't really alternatives. The issue with MSword is not so much that it's from Microsoft as that it's an "easy" solution rather than a "good" one. 3. (bonus :-) You can write DocBook in MSword. This is not exactly a typical use of the software, however. > 2) Publishers accept submissions in MSWord only, for the most part. A > publisher once wanted to contract with me to proofread and technical > edit a Linux programming book. But the galley was in MSWord and I had > submit all corrections and edits as inplace MSWord comments. Since the > job wouldn't pay enough to cover a harddrive+Windows+MSOffice, I had to > turn it down. Some publishers do indeed frequently prefer MSword. They're not usually the ones who produce the best-looking books. The ones I have spoken to have all been prepared to accept manuscripts in other formats. Remember that what we're looking at here is a draft; before publishing they'll do a lot of work on the format. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 1:54:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B7D37B42C for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 01:54:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4N8s4P22637; Wed, 23 May 2001 18:54:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:54:04 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "RDWest Sr." Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Message-ID: <20010523185404.A26132@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , "RDWest Sr." , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000a01c0e300$3d65c9c0$23730618@ci83514a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000a01c0e300$3d65c9c0$23730618@ci83514a>; from ricky500r@home.com on Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:46:13PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:46:13PM -0400, RDWest Sr. wrote: > i spent 60 freaking bucks for this OS at best buy... it specifies in > the BOOK for support to join this list.... It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if you like) what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters (descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > i'm a newbie to bsd and i know everyone who has never even seen a > unix-like os is going to ask some dumb questions... i've been useing > win32 servers and would like to learn the bsd os... now since i can't find > ports and packages for v4.0 retail, i d/led the iso of 4.3.... > > can i plz get some help here? Not tech support, no. If you want help, as for it in the right place. If you want to be passed around and fed whatever silly or misleading replies people feel like typing at you, then stay in this chat list and cop it sweet. Do you want support or don't you? If you do want support, write to freebsd-questions and you'll get it. When you don't want any help, but you really need to get something off your chest, you can do that here. But you already know that. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 2:38:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B50137B424 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 02:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramidi@otenet.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a066.otenet.gr [212.205.215.66]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4N9bwt22913; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:37:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4N9c9S06867; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:38:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramidi@otenet.gr) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:38:08 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Johnson , ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010523123808.A6659@hades.hell.gr> References: <3B0A9F21.6C6654F3@acuson.com> <20010523102042.C76823@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010523102042.C76823@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 10:20:42AM +0930 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 10:20:42AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > Remember that what we're looking at here is a draft; before > publishing they'll do a lot of work on the format. Yes, and thats why picking on Annelise for choosing one tool and not another does not have much sense, as you noted Greg. I mean, OK, my preference of TeX and/or troff, or even better SGML over some proprietary format that I cannot read in my Unix boxen... but hey, that was PDF; and I can actually *read* pdf files in X11 with gv (thank you port masters) :-) Come on guys (and girls). PDF was fine for reading a `draft'. At least for me. --giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 3: 7: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tina.tippnet.co.yu (tina.tippnet.co.yu [212.200.58.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A9E37B59E for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 03:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from szsolt@tippnet.co.yu) Received: from server.localnet.radiosubotica.co.yu (gateway.radiosubotica.co.yu [212.200.59.230] (may be forged)) by tina.tippnet.co.yu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA30384 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:07:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:06:02 +0200 From: Zsolt X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Educational Reply-To: Zsolt X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15310136265.20010523120602@tippnet.co.yu> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Logfiles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm new to FreeBSD 4.2 and have some questions about administration. I would like to set up my system to send me information about ftp, ssh and other progs usage. I want to know who is using my system resources, but actualy I just hate to do '#cat /var/log/messages |more' every morning. Is there any program to do this automaticly? Whitch log files should I check frequently and whitch not? -- Best regards, Zsolt szsolt@tippnet.co.yu http://members.tippnet.co.yu/~szsolt/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 3:37:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F0737B424 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 03:37:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael.radzewitz@freenet-ag.de) Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 152W1T-0008Cw-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:37:47 +0200 Received: from staff.freenet-ag.de ([62.104.227.5]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 152W1T-0008BK-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:37:47 +0200 Received: by staff.freenet-ag.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:37:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: Michael Radzewitz To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Logfiles Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:37:43 +0200 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I think logcheck will do a good job for that. Visit the psionic site for more information. http://www.psionic.com There is also a package for FreeBSD available. > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Zsolt [mailto:szsolt@tippnet.co.yu] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2001 12:06 > An: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Betreff: Logfiles > > > Hi, > > I'm new to FreeBSD 4.2 and have some questions about administration. > I would like to set up my system to send me information > about ftp, ssh > and other progs usage. I want to know who is using my system > resources, > but actualy I just hate to do '#cat /var/log/messages |more' every > morning. > Is there any program to do this automaticly? > > Whitch log files should I check frequently and whitch not? > > -- > Best regards, > Zsolt > szsolt@tippnet.co.yu > http://members.tippnet.co.yu/~szsolt/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 6:45:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0156B37B422 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 06:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx.my.domain ([62.31.194.122]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 23 May 2001 13:47:44 +0000 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Mailing list search Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:48:29 +0100 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks While the FreeBSD Mailing list search facility at: http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists seems a little broken eg: "The archive freebsd-questions contains the following items relevant to `ports': Nothing found." I've found an excellent Mailing list searcher at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=3D2 Enjoy. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 7:31:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from micro-mania.net (micro1.micro-mania.net [204.214.90.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EC337B42C for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zwade@micro-mania.net) Received: from micro-mania.net [204.214.90.149] by micro-mania.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC337400FC; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:41:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3B0BCA05.B1D03477@micro-mania.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:32:42 -0600 From: zwade X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i486) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies Subject: Re: ExBSD References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010513033434.A54250@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B001679.3172B050@acuson.com> <3B00E <3B02EBCA.B29A2C4F@acuson.com> <014301c0e249$debd93f0$0300a8c0@oracle> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Young wrote: > >From my point of view (having done a few hundred FreeBSD installs) > there isn't much to pick from between Windows & FreeBSD installation. > The difficulty comes trying to configure X / sound / printers / ppp / > etc. > > There are two factors here ... firstly, the original use of unix > appears to have been as a research / development tool rather than as a > mass market desktop / gameplaying platform. Developers & other > assorted geeks will accept horribly user hostile things like vi, lpr, > X, ppp, etc, that certainly couldn't be described as "user friendly" > to non-experienced users. I'm not suggesting FreeBSD can be (or > should be) suitable for everyone ... there are even countless "levels > of enlightenment" within the faithful. I'm quite impressed by its > performance for webservers etc, but I couldn't imagine using FreeBSD > in its current form as a workstation. For those of us wanting > relatively basic functionality, X is a useless poxridden waste of > space, vi is an exercise in needless complexity, lpr is an extremely > messy abortion etc etc. > Hello, I've been resisting the urge to say something. I can resist no longer. A couple of days ago I had my first experience with Sed. It took several hours to read the book, decide the regular expression syntax to use, write the scripts, then test them, and then....finally. YAHOOOOO!! Damn, I jumped up and down. I yelled. I called people on the phone and told them of this cool thing I had done. No, not one of them knew anything about Sed. They said, "oh? that's nice." But I knew. True, it took lots of time to learn. I don't know how much time it would have taken to make these global edits to the dozens of files I changed. But the euphoric culmination of all those efforts was far greater than anything I'd ever experienced with Winblows FAT systems. Just thought I'd share that with ya. I've been using Linux for years. I am now about to migrate to freeBSD. Have a nice day! Z. Wade Hampton -- My Cyber Space Home page: http://www.micro-mania.net/zwade UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven. --------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Young wrote:
>From my point of view (having done a few hundred FreeBSD installs)
there isn't much to pick from between Windows & FreeBSD installation.
The difficulty comes trying to configure X / sound / printers / ppp /
etc.

There are two factors here ... firstly, the original use of unix
appears to have been as a research / development tool rather than as a
mass market desktop / gameplaying platform. Developers & other
assorted geeks will accept horribly user hostile things like vi, lpr,
X, ppp, etc, that certainly couldn't be described as "user friendly"
to non-experienced users.  I'm not suggesting FreeBSD can be (or
should be) suitable for everyone ...  there are even countless "levels
of enlightenment" within the faithful. I'm quite impressed by its
performance for webservers etc, but I couldn't imagine using FreeBSD
in its current form as a workstation. For those of us wanting
relatively basic functionality, X is a useless poxridden waste of
space,  vi is an exercise in needless complexity, lpr is an extremely
messy abortion etc etc.
 

Hello,
I've been resisting the urge to say something.
I can resist no longer.
A couple of days ago I had my first experience with Sed.
It took several hours to read the book, decide the
regular expression syntax to use, write the scripts,
then test them, and then....finally.
YAHOOOOO!!
Damn, I jumped up and down.  I yelled.  I called people on
the phone and told them of this cool thing I had
done.
No, not one of them knew anything about Sed.
They said, "oh? that's nice."  But I knew.
True, it took lots of time to learn.  I don't know
how much time it would have taken to make these global
edits to the dozens of files I changed.
But the euphoric culmination of all those efforts
was far greater than anything I'd ever experienced
with Winblows FAT systems.
Just thought I'd share that with ya.
I've been using Linux for years.  I am now about to
migrate to freeBSD.
Have a nice day!
Z. Wade Hampton
-- 
My Cyber Space Home page:
http://www.micro-mania.net/zwade

UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven.
  --------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 14:19:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C39637B423 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from pobox3.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by motgate.mot.com (motgate 2.1) with ESMTP id OAA01458 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 14:19:11 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox3.mot.com (MOT-pobox3 2.0) with ESMTP id OAA23102 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 14:13:00 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 May 2001 16:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "'Sue Blake'" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if you like) what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters (descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition Chapter 1: Introduction Page 15 Paragraph Support "A good place to start is with the mailing lists FreeBSD-newbies and freebsd-questions respectively. To sign up sen a mail message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." I subscribed to this list because of this page as well. I just have lurked for a while so I have seen several flamed for asking questions, and I know to go to questions when I ask. Charles S. Libby Technical Instructor iDEN Technical Training Motorola (847) 576-0617 Rom 10:9,10 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 16:17: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lcmail2.lc.ca.gov (lcmail2.lc.ca.gov [165.107.12.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ED937B422 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 16:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drewt@writeme.com) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lcmail2.lc.ca.gov (PMDF V5.2-27 #40821) id <0GDT00101A0QCA@lcmail2.lc.ca.gov> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 23 May 2001 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tagalong ([165.107.42.244]) by lcmail2.lc.ca.gov (PMDF V5.2-27 #40821) with SMTP id <0GDT00COMA0PEI@lcmail2.lc.ca.gov> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 23 May 2001 16:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:16:53 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? In-reply-to: To: 'Libby Charles-CCL044' , 'Sue Blake' Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Libby > Charles-CCL044 > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:19 PM > To: 'Sue Blake' > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG' > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? > > > It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if > you like) > what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people > really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. > It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. > Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd > lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters > (descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > > > The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition > > Chapter 1: Introduction > Page 15 > Paragraph Support > > "A good place to start is with the mailing lists > FreeBSD-newbies and freebsd-questions respectively. To sign > up sen a mail message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." > > I subscribed to this list because of this page as well. I > just have lurked for a while so I have seen several flamed > for asking questions, and I know to go to questions when I ask. This is correct and I agree that it is somewhat misleading. However, if you continue reading a few more lines, it states "Please be sure to read the charters before subscribing or sending mail to any FreeBSD mailing list for an explanation of which topics are relevant for a given list and what types of postings are and are not allowed." From what I've seen on the message boards, Greg Lehey is working on a 4th edition of the book. Maybe this section could be rewritten to be a little clearer? Drew > > > Charles S. Libby > Technical Instructor > iDEN Technical Training > Motorola > (847) 576-0617 > Rom 10:9,10 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 18:16:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2909937B43C for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 18:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rootman@xmission.com) Received: from [166.70.6.29] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 152jjQ-0000Qs-00; Wed, 23 May 2001 19:16:05 -0600 From: Joe Warner Organization: Daemon News To: Libby Charles-CCL044 , "'Sue Blake'" Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:59:32 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01052319153700.00354@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 23 May 2001, Libby Charles-CCL044 wrote: > It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if you like) > what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people > really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. > It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. > Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd > lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters > (descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > > > The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition > > Chapter 1: Introduction > Page 15 > Paragraph Support > > "A good place to start is with the mailing lists FreeBSD-newbies and freebsd-questions respectively. To sign up sen a mail message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." > ...and Chapter 1: Introduction Page: 16 Pagagraph: Support ..says: "As the welcome message says, -newbies is a discussion group for people new to FreeBSD; it's not intended for real technical problems. Use -questions for that." Right above that, is text taken directly from the freebsd-newbies charter: FREEBSD-NEWBIES Welcome to FreeBSD! This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (NOT to the newbies list please) Full info and FAK http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ Resource list http://www.FreeBSD.org/projects/newbies.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 24 10:31:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (dced.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727A637B422 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.115]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GDUOOC00.5WA; Thu, 24 May 2001 09:31:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3B0D455A.4EC01B13@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:31:06 -0800 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson , freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Annelise Anderson wrote: > > On Tue, 22 May 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > You can look at the pdf to see what was used to produce it, > > worse than MS Word though is Adobe. ;-) > No, he's not mistaken--Word 97, Adobe Photoshop, Acrobat Distiller. > > But I don't like to debate this sort of issue, I don't blame you for that! > so in my own defense > I offer only this, from the Colophon to _Unix System Administration > Handbook_, Third Edition, Evi Nemeth et.al (a wonderful book, even > for newbies): This book has been a terrific help to me too. Reading it was refreshing because of how the only basis for advice was practicality and utility. There is a distinct lack of bias toward one vendor or another, compared to other books. Some that post to the mailing lists will find the lack of religious fervor for different UNIX only or free software only tools offensive, but the rest of us like hearing only what works and what doesn't in each respective option. The quote below is a perfect example of that. PDF format can now be _read_ by almost anyone on almost any operating system, with _free_ (as in cost) tools. Not to mention it's easy to print from, if you like that (I do). I use it work for sharing printed materials all the time. Even though everyone I work with uses MS Windows and MS Office at work, the versions of Office are not universal and PDF format overcomes this for Windows users too. > > "We produced the first edition of this book with the UNIX troff > package. For the second edition, we used a MacIntosh. We > produced this third editon entirely on Microsoft Windows 95, > 98, and 2000....We used Adobe FrameMaker for layout, with Adobe > Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop for graphics and illustrations. We > also used Adobe Acrobat throughout the production process. It > allowed us to distribute chapters and graphic files to many different > people without worrying about fonts or application compatibility. > We delivered the final manuscript as an Acrobat file, too." > > Annelise I look forward to being able to buy your book! Thanks for all the work on helping newbies in FreeBSD! Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 24 14:49:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate3.mot.com (motgate3.mot.com [144.189.100.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A8037B423 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 14:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate3.mot.com (motgate3 2.1) with ESMTP id OAA20801 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 14:43:09 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id OAA08914 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 14:49:26 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 May 2001 16:49:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: FW: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:49:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry Drew, I replied instead of forwarded. -----Original Message----- From: Libby Charles-CCL044 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:48 PM To: 'Drew Tomlinson' Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? I agree that section should be worded so it is clear this list is for discussion, not questions, Maybe we should do a newbee-questions list. I still feel intimidated and have not posted questions to questions as of yet. There is so much to read that I fear I will not have read something and will get flamed on questions. Charles -----Original Message----- From: Drew Tomlinson [mailto:drewt@writeme.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:17 PM To: 'Libby Charles-CCL044'; 'Sue Blake' Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Libby > Charles-CCL044 > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:19 PM > To: 'Sue Blake' > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG' > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? > > > It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if > you like) > what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people > really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. > It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. > Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd > lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters > (descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > > > The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition > > Chapter 1: Introduction > Page 15 > Paragraph Support > > "A good place to start is with the mailing lists > FreeBSD-newbies and freebsd-questions respectively. To sign > up sen a mail message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." > > I subscribed to this list because of this page as well. I > just have lurked for a while so I have seen several flamed > for asking questions, and I know to go to questions when I ask. This is correct and I agree that it is somewhat misleading. However, if you continue reading a few more lines, it states "Please be sure to read the charters before subscribing or sending mail to any FreeBSD mailing list for an explanation of which topics are relevant for a given list and what types of postings are and are not allowed." From what I've seen on the message boards, Greg Lehey is working on a 4th edition of the book. Maybe this section could be rewritten to be a little clearer? Drew > > > Charles S. Libby > Technical Instructor > iDEN Technical Training > Motorola > (847) 576-0617 > Rom 10:9,10 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 25 7:46:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3753737B423 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 07:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id HAA05400 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 07:46:25 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id HAA27181 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 07:46:23 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "Newbies List Freebsd (E-mail)" Cc: "'Fatkulin B. G.'" Subject: RE: FW: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:46:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a good idea. [CCL044@email.mot.com] There was talk about file formats (Word and etc) I found a good package that converts .doc's to ASCII It's catdoc -0.90.3 It requires tcl-8.2.3 and tk-8.2.3 When I installed it it worked very well. When somebody had sent me files in WORD it was so irritating because I couldn't read it and had to search for another computer. Now I find the solution. For those who has no Word this is a chance. Best Regards. Bulatovich, Russia [ Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, converting... ] > > Sorry Drew, I replied instead of forwarded. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Libby Charles-CCL044 > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:48 PM > To: 'Drew Tomlinson' > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? > > > I agree that section should be worded so it is clear this list is for discussion, not questions, Maybe we should do a newbee-questions list. I still feel intimidated and have not posted questions to questions as of yet. There is so much to read that I fear I will not have read something and will get flamed on questions. > > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Tomlinson [mailto:drewt@writeme.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:17 PM > To: 'Libby Charles-CCL044'; 'Sue Blake' > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Libby > > Charles-CCL044 > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:19 PM > > To: 'Sue Blake' > > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG' > > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? > > > > > > It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if > > you like) > > what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people > > really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. > > It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. > > Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd > > lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters > > (descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > > > > > > The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition > > > > Chapter 1: Introduction > > Page 15 > > Paragraph Support > > > > "A good place to start is with the mailing lists > > FreeBSD-newbies and freebsd-questions respectively. To sign > > up sen a mail message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." > > > > I subscribed to this list because of this page as well. I > > just have lurked for a while so I have seen several flamed > > for asking questions, and I know to go to questions when I ask. > > This is correct and I agree that it is somewhat misleading. However, if you > continue reading a few more lines, it states "Please be sure to read the > charters before subscribing or sending mail to any FreeBSD mailing list for > an explanation of which topics are relevant for a given list and what types > of postings are and are not allowed." > > >From what I've seen on the message boards, Greg Lehey is working on a 4th > edition of the book. Maybe this section could be rewritten to be a little > clearer? > > Drew > > > > > > > Charles S. Libby > > Technical Instructor > > iDEN Technical Training > > Motorola > > (847) 576-0617 > > Rom 10:9,10 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 25 7:52: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE87037B424 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (motgate 2.1) with ESMTP id HAA06917 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 07:51:59 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id HAA03135 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 07:51:58 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:51:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "Newbies List Freebsd (E-mail)" Cc: "'That Guy'" Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:51:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Questions could be broken down into several topics which would cut down the traffic on questions. Say one on Hardware issues, 0ne on network interface issues, and one on setup issues might fit the bill, but I am just a new-bee my self with lots of questions and still reading the reams of documentation. -----Original Message----- From: That Guy [mailto:thatguy_11@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:48 PM To: Charles.S.Libby Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Its in the Complete Freebsd, the Lehey book. It does mention that newbies isn't the place for seriously technical questions, but it does infer questions should be asked here. Anyway, what else do you want to do? Its not like this list has any traffic as it is. Tiering the questions list into a couple or 3 makes sense to me, simply because I can't handle deleting 200 emails a day from -questions. >From: Libby Charles-CCL044 >To: "'Sue Blake'" >CC: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" >Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? >Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:19:09 -0500 > >It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail if you like) >what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people >really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here, that's a shame. >It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. >Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd >lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters >(descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > > >The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition > >Chapter 1: Introduction >Page 15 >Paragraph Support > >"A good place to start is with the mailing lists FreeBSD-newbies and >freebsd-questions respectively. To sign up sen a mail message to >majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." > >I subscribed to this list because of this page as well. I just have lurked >for a while so I have seen several flamed for asking questions, and I know >to go to questions when I ask. > > >Charles S. Libby >Technical Instructor >iDEN Technical Training >Motorola >(847) 576-0617 >Rom 10:9,10 > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 25 8: 1:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate4.mot.com (motgate4.mot.com [144.189.100.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A5D37B422 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate4.mot.com (motgate4 2.1) with ESMTP id IAA10303 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 08:01:06 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id IAA18446 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 08:01:06 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 May 2001 10:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "Newbies List Freebsd (E-mail)" Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27Jukka_Simil=E4=27?= Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=what? Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:01:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, I did not know that. See I am a newbee -----Original Message----- From: Jukka Simil=E4 [mailto:jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:58 AM To: 'Libby Charles-CCL044' Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=3Dwhat? actually, they are. -multimedia, -network, -hackers, -mobile, -stable = et cetera et cetera.... for example, -multimedia is a place where you could ask a question = about problems with your sound card -=20 whether it is a problem with installation or question like "i'd like to stream audio from my tvcard to network - which tools to use?" - on the = other hand, it's a place to ask for a support stage for a specific device, = say, mpeg2-grabber card. so, questions are broken down to several topics, -questions is a place = for General questions, or for those that you didn't find an approppriate = place elsewhere.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Libby Charles-CCL044 [mailto:Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:52 PM > To: Newbies List Freebsd (E-mail) > Cc: 'That Guy' > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=3Dwhat? >=20 >=20 > Questions could be broken down into several topics which=20 > would cut down the traffic on questions. Say one on Hardware=20 > issues, 0ne on network interface issues, and one on setup=20 > issues might fit the bill, but I am just a new-bee my self=20 > with lots of questions and still reading the reams of documentation. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: That Guy [mailto:thatguy_11@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:48 PM > To: Charles.S.Libby > Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=3Dwhat? >=20 >=20 > Its in the Complete Freebsd, the Lehey book. It does mention=20 > that newbies=20 > isn't the place for seriously technical questions, but it does infer=20 > questions should be asked here. Anyway, what else do you=20 > want to do? Its=20 > not like this list has any traffic as it is. Tiering the=20 > questions list=20 > into a couple or 3 makes sense to me, simply because I can't=20 > handle deleting=20 > 200 emails a day from -questions. >=20 >=20 > >From: Libby Charles-CCL044 > >To: "'Sue Blake'" > >CC: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" > >Subject: RE: mad about questions? newbies list=3Dwhat? > >Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:19:09 -0500 > > > >It does??? Would you mind letting me know (in private mail=20 > if you like) > >what book that was, and exactly what words it uses? If people > >really are being told to ask _support_questions_ here,=20 > that's a shame. > >It would mean that they would be stepping outside the list charter. > >Keeping within list charters is a condition of using the freebsd > >lists. You should go to the authoritative source, the list charters > >(descriptions) on the freebsd.org web site. > > > > > >The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edition > > > >Chapter 1: Introduction > >Page 15 > >Paragraph Support > > > >"A good place to start is with the mailing lists FreeBSD-newbies and = > >freebsd-questions respectively. To sign up sen a mail message to=20 > >majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text ..." > > > >I subscribed to this list because of this page as well. I=20 > just have lurked=20 > >for a while so I have seen several flamed for asking=20 > questions, and I know=20 > >to go to questions when I ask. > > > > > >Charles S. Libby > >Technical Instructor > >iDEN Technical Training > >Motorola > >(847) 576-0617 > >Rom 10:9,10 > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 25 19:10:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD8037B422 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4Q2A1t49615 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105260210.f4Q2A1t49615@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 25 20: 2: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (pele.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D7437B422 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@wurldlink.net) Received: from wurldlink.net (station160.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.160]) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA40906 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:05 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from jon@wurldlink.net) Message-ID: <3B0F1B3D.EAB92FB3@wurldlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:55:57 -1000 From: Jon Yamashita X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: pine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, does anyone have a step by step instruction on how to set up pine and pico? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 25 20:18:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9937537B424 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 20:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9770318D6; Thu, 24 May 2001 20:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E6C18D5; Thu, 24 May 2001 20:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Jon Yamashita Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: pine In-Reply-To: <3B0F1B3D.EAB92FB3@wurldlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi all, does anyone have a step by step instruction on how to set up > pine and pico? > thanks Login root cd /usr/ports/mail/pine4 make all install clean (assuming you have an active Internet connection) Have a bite to eat, something to drink login as normal user type "pine" Have fun! :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 2:29: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pst.herzen.spb.ru (pst.herzen.spb.ru [194.226.212.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D6737B422 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 02:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from renat@herzen.spb.ru) Received: from SLAVA ([194.226.211.131]) by pst.herzen.spb.ru (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4Q9RNq16071 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:23 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from renat@herzen.spb.ru) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:30:38 +0400 From: renat@herzen.spb.ru X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Reply-To: renat@herzen.spb.ru Organization: herzen university X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <0562.010526@herzen.spb.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello freebsd-newbies, -- Best regards, slava mailto:renat@herzen.spb.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 2:47: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B01437B424 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 02:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ITServices@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from aliorhan ([213.48.196.62]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 26 May 2001 09:48:50 +0000 From: "Stuart Duckworth" To: renat@herzen.spb.ru, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:50:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: ITServices@cableinet.co.uk In-reply-to: <0562.010526@herzen.spb.ru> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <07e875048091a51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello to you too. I just read the list rules as posted by Sue. I've been lurking for a while on this list and wondering what to do. I'd just like to say that I have managed to install FreeBSD several times on my machine but it's not on here at the moment. I have Windoze as my default os at the moment because it's been that way for years. Like it often happens I Iost everything when playing with an install ... this time it was Linux. So I have to start again from scratch. I shall be downloading FreeBSD again and re- installing it soon. I found it safe and easy to install before. Getting X, ppp, printers, modem and so forth installed and running was not so easy, but as a complete novice I expect it to take some time. Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 4:26:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39CC37B423 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 04:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p66.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.66]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA766666; Sat, 26 May 2001 13:26:37 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00943; Sat, 26 May 2001 12:41:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:41:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Stuart Duckworth Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <07e875048091a51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stuart, > I found it safe and easy to install before. Getting X, ppp, printers, > modem and so forth installed and running was not so easy, but as > a complete novice I expect it to take some time. You got it running ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 5:14:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF1837B423 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 05:14:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ITServices@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from aliorhan ([62.30.68.157]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 26 May 2001 13:16:50 +0100 From: "Stuart Duckworth" To: Heiko Recktenwald , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:18:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: ITServices@cableinet.co.uk References: <07e875048091a51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <0fa755016121a51PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26 May 01, at 12:41, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > I found it safe and easy to install before. Getting X, ppp, printers, > > modem and so forth installed and running was not so easy, but as > > a complete novice I expect it to take some time. > > You got it running ? > I did :-))) I like the nuts and bolts feel of it. I have only a 2Gb drive for it, so I must be selective about ports. I want X and a window manager but don't really want a desktop for now. I've just today had a high speed cable modem installed: 512Kbps and permanently connected to my ISP. I want in time to go over as much as I can to FreeBSD. My work requires me, as do the habits of the rest of the world, to use MShorrors for a lot of the time, but I want to use Unix when I can. Do I take it from your question that you did not get it running? Stuart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 12: 6:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.wiu.edu (mail1.wiu.edu [143.43.222.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BD337B422 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 12:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from WM-Scace@wiu.edu) Received: from DRAGON.wiu.edu ([143.43.229.69]) by mail1.wiu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02628 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 12:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525171804.00b1fa30@pop3.wiu.edu> X-Sender: muwms1@pop3.wiu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:23:19 +0000 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dragon Singer Subject: Hello, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Gang, I'm really new to FreeBSD, so new in fact that I haven't had the courage to try and install it yet. I'm still learning Linux...LOL LOL Perhaps I'll work my courage up to try a FreeBSD install after I return from my race to the West Coast with the Grim Reaper (my Mother in law is dying). Anyway, just wanted to say "Hi" and let you know there is another potential Daemon lurking in Illinois. 73 de Wayne (K9DI) & Leader Dog Sequoia k9di@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 12:13:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A46137B423 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fredrik@speechcraft.com) Received: from d1o74.telia.com (d1o74.telia.com [62.20.224.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4QJDgc14284; Sat, 26 May 2001 21:13:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from molly.telia.com (t2o74p70.telia.com [62.20.224.190]) by d1o74.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09277; Sat, 26 May 2001 21:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:14:01 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Fredrik Olausson X-Sender: fredrik@molly.telia.com To: Dragon Singer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello, In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525171804.00b1fa30@pop3.wiu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And hello to YOU! I'm sure you will find the FreeBSD installation quite painless (once you figure out how disk slices work :) If you know your way around Linux it really isn't that big a step. -Fredrik On Fri, 25 May 2001, Dragon Singer wrote: > Hello Gang, > I'm really new to FreeBSD, so new in fact that I haven't had the courage > to try and install it yet. I'm still learning Linux...LOL LOL Perhaps > I'll work my courage up to try a FreeBSD install after I return from my > race to the West Coast with the Grim Reaper (my Mother in law is dying). > Anyway, just wanted to say "Hi" and let you know there is another potential > Daemon lurking in Illinois. > 73 > de > Wayne (K9DI) & Leader Dog Sequoia > k9di@arrl.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 16:10:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419C837B422 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ITServices@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from aliorhan ([62.30.68.157]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 27 May 2001 00:12:53 +0100 From: "Stuart Duckworth" To: Dragon Singer , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:14:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello, Reply-To: ITServices@cableinet.co.uk In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525171804.00b1fa30@pop3.wiu.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <057615312231a51PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 May 01, at 17:23, Dragon Singer wrote: > I'm really new to FreeBSD, so new in fact that I haven't had the courage > to try and install it yet. I tried installing Linux after several successfull FreeBSD installs. I found FreeBSD easier and safer to install. The Linux distribution I tried was RedHat and despite me clearly not wanting it to write to my primary drive, it did so anyway and trashed the partition table. I shall stick with FreeBSD in future. Good luck with the install. Try it. It's easy. Stuart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 19:15: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1477037B423 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 19:15:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA86829 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 19:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Introductory Book on FreeBSD: More Chapters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I now have chapters through 17 on my anon ftp site. What's left to do is mainly miscellaneous--other sources of information, handling crises, etc. The introduction has been relabelled Chap00 for convenience. Revisions of chapters that were there before are mainly corrections of typos and a little more formatting, nothing substantive. I've also fixed some stuff that prevented the pdf documents from printing. I want to thank those of you on this list and others who have taken the time to read this and send corrections. Bruce Harding and others. Annelise ps: url is ftp andrsn.stanford.edu log in as ftp send email as password cd /pub/introbook To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 19:40: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F192237B423 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@katana.amberskogg.dns2go.com) Received: from katana.amberskogg.dns2go.com (port90.tup.netdoor.com [208.137.140.154]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21071; Sat, 26 May 2001 21:39:52 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jim Couch Reply-To: jcouch@netdoor.com Organization: AmberSkogg Development To: Annelise Anderson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Introductory Book on FreeBSD: More Chapters Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:39:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01052621394300.14177@katana.amberskogg.dns2go.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What were you using to read it ? the pdf reader that I have is unable to open them??? Jim On Saturday 26 May 2001 09:09 pm, Annelise Anderson wrote: > I now have chapters through 17 on my anon ftp site. > > What's left to do is mainly miscellaneous--other sources > of information, handling crises, etc. > > The introduction has been relabelled Chap00 for convenience. > > Revisions of chapters that were there before are mainly > corrections of typos and a little more formatting, nothing > substantive. I've also fixed some stuff that prevented the > pdf documents from printing. > > I want to thank those of you on this list and others who have > taken the time to read this and send corrections. Bruce Harding and > others. > > Annelise > ps: url is > ftp andrsn.stanford.edu > log in as ftp > send email as password > cd /pub/introbook > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 26 23: 5:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from drake.host4u.net (drake.host4u.net [216.71.64.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D18E37B422; Sat, 26 May 2001 23:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsddiary@drake.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by drake.host4u.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25018; Sun, 27 May 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200105270607.BAA25018@drake.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-05-06 - 2001-05-26 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 24-May : Dual-homed NFS servers I tried. I failed, there must be an easier way... http://freebsddiary.org/nfs-dual-homed.php?2 21-May : Installing via wireless NIC The first, the best, you read it here! http://freebsddiary.org/wireless-install.php?2 20-May : Get your name in the kernel! Ever wonder why jkh gets his? http://freebsddiary.org/uname-a.php?2 19-May : New city, new LAN, new Laptop Ahh the fun that goes with relocating... http://freebsddiary.org/newlan.php?2 13-May : The trip north Packing, selling, giving, and flying http://freebsddiary.org/newjob2.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message