From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 13 5:58:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maild.telia.com (maild.telia.com [194.22.190.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045D437B423 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 05:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25626 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 14:58:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03846 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 14:58:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15144 invoked by uid 1001); 13 May 2001 12:58:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:58:01 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Hugh Blandford Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running Stable on remote production server Message-ID: <20010513145801.A15090@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: Hugh Blandford , stable@freebsd.org References: <006c01c0dba7$f21a38c0$0bdea8c0@island.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006c01c0dba7$f21a38c0$0bdea8c0@island.net.au>; from hugh@island.net.au on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:26:32PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:26:32PM +1000, Hugh Blandford wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been reading the instructions for tracking stable and what is > recommended in the way of procedures. It seems from this that it would be > extremely hard to follow these recommendations for a remote POP. IE moving > to single user mode and on the whole messing with the machine for several > hours at a time. Several hours is a bit overstated. Maybe one hour at most. The part that takes most time is buildworld/buildkernel. That can be done in the background in normal, multi-user mode. The only parts that need to be done in single-user mode is the actual installworld/installkernel and running mergemaster. That should not take more than one hour, probably much less on a modern machine. I would recommend trying the whole procedure first on a machine that you have physical access to and which is not doing anything important, just to make sure that you understand the whole procedure. Oh, and remember to make backups beforehand. > > I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who is running a 24x7 > server who is tracking stable and how they cope. In my case I haven't seen > one of my servers for over a year. It is in a phone exchange and costs a > fortune to 'visit'. > In general I believe people who run 24x7 servers don't upgrade their machines unless there is some specific reason for doing so. ("If it ain't broke, don't fix it.") In the case of security holes that need to be fixed it is often possible to do so without doing the whole mke world thing. Instructions for doing so is often included in the Security Alerts. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message