From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 20:20:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0333A247802 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KhT92W6Fz3PLg for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581798045; x=1584390045; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=jhWiM2HsHO8vo7Ma8GAP2oX/BiNWCyUnwn65D1WbwkE=; b=fbCYACrF94EslUH0ESrz7p801S06e5E2zxINmvsj3Kh2PUzXhlXUufvofIlAvzTKRAQlop2m4xkwvM9z+o+Hj6yE2AuhqriIBuwwygH5W8A806Pyo74kffUA2cWMbLzo4JCm4IaW4rW0scf9M4d7MepTit5I9JIoiSU1fFwlIXU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi43NDAwMDAwMDUyMDA1YS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:20:35 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:20:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j33vV-000GxG-Bu; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:33 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200215202033.6c856b8f7639b304d96e68ce@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200215195303.464e585a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <1848571509.3253011.1581719423989@mail.yahoo.com> <20200215195303.464e585a.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KhT92W6Fz3PLg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=fbCYACrF; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.10)[ip: (-0.27), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.54), asn: 7381(0.27), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:20:46 -0000 On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:53:03 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Paul Pathiakis via > freebsd-questions wrote: > > If you're trying to convince management, I'd suggest researching > > who has based their products on FreeBSD....List of products based > > on FreeBSD > > That is a problem. Reason: > > FreeBSD's license, often criticized as a "rape me license", > allows using, modifying and redistribution software based > on FreeBSD without contributing back, or acknowledging that > FreeBSD played a significant role. The copyright notice has to be included so you can find out, for example it is no secret that Isilon OneFS is based on FreeBSD but there's a lot of proprietary code and commercial secrets in it which would be impossible under the GPL. > Of course > manufacturers won't admit they used FreeBSD when they can > advertise the software or firmware of their products as > their very own invention. :-) They do have to own up to it being there (by publishing the copyright message), they just don't have to share what they've added to it. Most do contribute back fixes and improvements that don't reveal their trade secrets partly because it's the right thing to do (the developer's reason) but perhaps mostly because maintaining patches against a moving target is a lot of work (the bean counter's reason). Enlightened self-interest is enough for most without something like the GPL to force things. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith