From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 03:13:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7693109FEDB for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 03:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EC198DDC3 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 03:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 139-v6so6599482itf.0 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 20:13:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=B7rkPvLIblHQX5V6H/IG/JdAtfitk6v+ruRndr5o49c=; b=p3jiUlbEf++eAOec9EugEuYAP4kvU+64WWXj3jJbYpveWyLuCQRpBxJTPKdLLIcZcb 49e2bVMJOB8LWF/AGqrA4tBBwIxzq/nAdFWVkoEBDxLLIZd6uSuqAoMqjV9zq04PWEH/ GeHL5Sw0m1U49DvrXU5OsPvNVriHY7IpYpIWXUCEDLC1XUH6u6mv/6Inb2EiS+cFqdhN AzN3E+5P73RhxWZkMEQsOsSoKjUyh6Virah13CnpR/wv/Dtcs0baNp7SliDQvy1jzFN7 Rk2ddHmqXMIUaG8ff+waULqWGWkFn53HaqDuqgKXKm42feR312t1JxxppxJ+AVrvFqd/ 1UTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B7rkPvLIblHQX5V6H/IG/JdAtfitk6v+ruRndr5o49c=; b=Zx4wlc5hAJS7F+o6vjZdhyLaFpQjXmGH/Gm96mG3ltTQwQRS/5/BZpoWZdf1+dBS0v pqaHZd6UgsnZ8oYxIJ1wlELDXrF+MfRlnpn/376F5TjG/6kIzHEMiwglqdCwWapNU9a5 yL47NiHEJc9p+vagACLOGWC0JYMgy0o3Zp4yU4gENp+5ibIEXVgnCoRTKeOKCOcEKAMc u7K8qQE2Uw44aeOu7VM31M6dy9yrIz6II9v+QRRreLcSE/Lh2n6jFz0uUbdyi7q2Ag3f 187sfHYXSCPSPS7NfcYIT6wizLv09yaPs6RXCGvso9mPN0995vBpcmqG7mOF53gE+dvN pnNA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CBCHN9o7JJkegtdshQblT0cbNnctvZ7kj6GzXLn2ShxRWARYYx cpPol82Ko/VxZs71Bpb7hIeskhdal9HNfsAa3gBZxFNAgjU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdakH8IaHdM1tnZ/w7TPA61x5qJj/QPcaFE0+ZEpmTu2+i9bQf9HYzdDD6clUKjH8aoAr2x11fjo34mautb/p0k= X-Received: by 2002:a24:7f94:: with SMTP id r142-v6mr3002578itc.137.1535253220553; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 20:13:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <20180825090623.GA1342@ptrace.hagen.corp> <1535211270.43712.1485939120.7028945E@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:13:29 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: cpghost@cordula.ws Cc: FreeBSD current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 03:13:42 -0000 On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 10:51 AM cpghost wrote: > On 8/25/18 5:34 PM, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 5:09 PM Stefan Hagen < > sh+freebsd-current@codevoid.de> > >>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:43 AM Kris Moore wrote: > >>>>> I've been personally using the new DRM bits since almost day one. I > >>>>> haven't found it to be unstable in the slightest. Compared to not > >>>>> having it and being forced to run 5+ year old hardware, it's been a > >>>>> huge blessing for those of us who care about running FreeBSD as a > >>>>> modern desktop / laptop. > > > > Ditto. I'd like to express my heartfelt thanks for all the people who > have been > > working on the drm-next code for over 2 years now. It's fantastic and an > > incredible piece of effort to pull it all together. > > Same here. A big THANK YOU to the Graphics Team for drm-next. > I've been running it on STABLE with amdgpu driver on an RX 580 > at 4K res, and had ZERO issues with it so far... except for broken > opencl on drm-stable-kmod, but I can live with that until its fixed. > > > A+++++++++++ > > Dave > > -cpghost. > > > > There's a whole lot of cheerleading and that's wonderful keep it up. Enjoy building and applying your patches no one will take that away from you guys. Although the way you guys continually dodge, deflect and run away from 3 simple questions is astonishing, see below. You guys can keep on cheerleading but that still doesn't answer the questions that I have asked numerous time. Cheerleading does not solve engineering problems, it's just noise. I'll post this again to keep the focus on the issue at hand. If The Graphics team has already done these tests, show us. If The Graphics team has not, then maybe they should take some time to do the work required get the code submitted upstream. =============================== 1) Take a [test] system with the current graphics stack installed and working. 2) Apply your patches to remove the drm from base to create a port 3) update the working [test] system after applying your changes How does your changes affect a [test] system that is already up and running? Have any of you guys tried that? Do you have any documentation on how it'll affect users. You guys want to remove things from the current system but you come with; it works for us hobbyists. Where do users go to get steps to do all of this stuff? You've repeatedly said what you want to do sure, but have you tested it?