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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.34)[-1.337]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.96.131.37:received] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 21:02:52 -0000 >Writing good documentation is both an art and a science. But, the author must first understand the language of the subject. The common language of FreeBSD and CS/E is C. >The canonical C book is: >https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/program/Kernighan-C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/PGM54487.html >Once you can read C, then you will be able to read the canonical FreeBSD book: >https://www.pearson.com/store/p/design-and-implementation-of-the-freebsd-operating-system-the/P100001308622 The link you sent me for the c programming language is from 1988. Wouldn't it be better to use a newer study book? Should I look for something newer? > > On Jun 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > > On 2020-06-04 01:14, Brandon helsley wrote: > I started using FreeBSD about 2 months ago and have purchased books like absolute freebsd and have learned a lot. > I can set up a desktop environment that has all the programs I need, so that's not the problem. It's that I want to progress past simple editing of configuration files and minor system administration tasks like the crontab. I want to try and stick with FreeBSD as my main and probably mostly only OS. Meaning, I would like to skip the ubuntu step. It seems as though the FreeBSD docs is the way to go. Just read it over a few times, as well as the porters handbook. I'll get straight to it so I can contribute to ports and docs, even if it takes a couple years!!! Writing good documentation is both an art and a science. But, the author must first understand the language of the subject. The common language of FreeBSD and CS/E is C. The canonical C book is: https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/program/Kernighan-C-Progr amming-Language-2nd-Edition/PGM54487.html Once you can read C, then you will be able to read the canonical FreeBSD book: https://www.pearson.com/store/p/design-and-implementation-of-the-freebsd-operating-system-the/P100001308622 David _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 21:15:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A0A3323EC for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 21:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22f.google.com (mail-lj1-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dJTq6WF0z3y1F for ; 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But, the > author must first understand the language of the subject. The common > language of FreeBSD and CS/E is C. > >>The canonical C book is: >>https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/program/Kernighan-C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/PGM54487.html > >>Once you can read C, then you will be able to read the canonical FreeBSD > > book: > >>https://www.pearson.com/store/p/design-and-implementation-of-the-freebsd-operating-system-the/P100001308622 > The link you sent me for the c programming language is from 1988. Wouldn't > it be better to use a newer study book? Should I look for something newer? > Actually, besides being THE go-to reference on C, it's the best-written C book out there and the most elegant presentation of the basic concepts. I have a bunch. While the bits and pieces AROUND C have evolved, C itself really hasn't. I prefer the K&R braces over GNU, myself, even though most of the 'NIX world is tilting towards the GNU landslide. Thank you for interspersing your comments as I asked, Brandon. You have shown the whole Project that you can learn and WILCO without complaint! Good coder, GOOD! :D -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************