From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 13:00:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB61116A46D for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj@hcl-club.lu) Received: from 0b10111.de (hcl-club.lu [62.75.155.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A00513C467 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj@hcl-club.lu) Received: from spaceman.my.domain (d90-129-9-224.cust.tele2.lu [90.129.9.224]) by 0b10111.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F320872C1A8; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:00:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:00:30 +0200 From: Jona Joachim To: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Message-ID: <20070803150030.01f4d545@spaceman.my.domain> In-Reply-To: <20070802234658.GB2842@soaustin.net> References: <46B14894.8060408@tpnet.co.nz> <20070802235154.3d518c3d@localhost> <20070802234658.GB2842@soaustin.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.2 (GTK+ 2.10.12; x86_64-unknown-openbsd4.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:10:13 +0000 Cc: "Marcos Biscaysaqu - ThePacific.net" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Atheros Open Hal X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:00:34 -0000 On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:46:58 -0500 linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:51:54PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > Quoting from > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/people.html: > > "In order to develop FreeBSD, committers must have the ability to > > openly discuss matters that will be resolved before they are > > publicly announced. Frank discussions of work in progress are not > > suitable for open publication and may harm FreeBSD." > > Of course, the sentence you omitted that precedes the above is: > > "The FreeBSD developers mailing list is for the exclusive use of > FreeBSD committers." > > So you are taking the policy for *one single* private mailing list > and, by removing the context, making it appear that we are in some > way attempting to stifle discussion on the public lists. I reread the sentence twice to make sure I don't change its meaning by putting it out of context. Whether you communicate through one single mailing list, through 100 mailing lists or via snail mail doesn't really change anything. I didn't mean to make it look like a conspiracy. I provided the link so everybody can read the real thing. > The mailing list in question is more often used to hash out > disagreements (technical and otherwise) among developers than to hide > anything. For many people, it would be of little interest. Perhaps it would be good to update the committers guide because it really makes the developers mailing list look like a secret elite group that discusses evil stuff. > If you think that some kind of issue is not being addressed, your best > bet is a post to advocacy@. If you want to work on code, then > hackers@ is probably a better bet. I started the discussion on advocacy@ some time ago but no committers shared their point of view. Regards, Jona