From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 24 15:17:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18504 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ami.tom.computerworks.net (AMI.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.95.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18469 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com by ami.tom.computerworks.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0vRnmx-0021UqC; Sun, 24 Nov 96 18:16 EST Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA06615; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:23:02 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199611242323.RAA06615@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Replacing sendmail (Re: non-root users binding to ports < 1024 (was: Re: BoS: Exploit for sendmail smtpd bug (ver. 8.7-8.8.2 To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:23:02 -0600 (CST) Cc: peter@taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2872.848861218@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 24, 96 10:46:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Remove sendmail. Make it an option. Make qmail the primary mail transport > > agent on FreeBSD. If someone needs a really complex mail routing environment > Needless to say, this is a terrible idea. Why? sendmail will *never* be secure. You already have sysinstall options to load the pcnfs and apache ports, why not have another question. Something like: "Sendmail is a large, complex mail transport mechanism. Qmail is small, tight, and designed to be secure. Qmail provides most of the functionality of sendmail. Which mail transport should be installed by default?" For people who know what sendmail is, then they know enough to answer the question. For people who don't, well, qmail is a lot easier to understand than sendmail starting out fresh... > The user QA alone would murder us. You ever tried to explain to someone how to set up a virtual domain in sendmail?