Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: <scanner@jurai.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BSDi's replies to why BSDi sucks... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103120558210.18282-100000@sasami.jurai.net>
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I was about to go to bed early this morning when one billh (Bill Huey) from BSDi comes waltzing in. And right after someone on the FreeBSD project just happened to get me steamed about his comments towards FreeBSD commiters. So I woke up enough to beat him with a cluebat about wtf is up with BSDi. Very litte is quoted mostly paraphrased. What is quoted is quoted. I found out pretty much nothing I want to know. This biggest thing's I found out were the follwing: o FreeBSD has no management. By FreeBSD I mean the OSD side. None. Zip. Zero. He said it was implied Jordan was supposed to take the reigns for that he but never did. And so they are not managed because no one is stepping up to the plate from the OSD side. o There is alot of friction between the BSD/OS side and the OSD people. Mainly because of stupid things the OSD wont accept and that should never have happened. o I asked him why the management of BSDi is NOT funding or supporting the the OSD people or FreeBSD? His reply was as noted in point one, no one has stepped up to manage the OSD people. And until someone does.. He also noted like I said Jordan was supposed to manage the OSD side not just be a "release engineer". But either Jordan didnt quite understand that or there was miscommunication when WC was purchased. o The reason they were waiting on someone from the OSD side to step up and manage the OSD side was because they thought it would be viewed as a threat if the BSD/OS side managed OSD. He said the BSD/OS side has funding and similiar problems but that *they* have a manager to GET them these things. "Stuff can happen if folks step up to the role". o He is claiming to talk to the FreeBSD populous which I gather is why he was on IRC to "clear some of the air and confusion about BSDi". Sounds like PR to me. If things are looking bad PR over it. o When I asked him isn't the BSDi side *curious why* almost all of your OSD people have *quit*? I told him because of no support and no funding. He is aware of the lack of funding and support. He said "we'll have to pressure some folks lightly and see what happens". Sounds REAL convining. Dont try so hard! o I also asked him why FreeBSD is not being pushed. I mean promoted and really put out there. He said see point one again. Lack of OSD management. o So I said Nothing gets fixed till someone from the OSD side steps up and *manages* the OSD people? "Yeah, that's the preferred solution, yes" "but it's beginning to look like it's going to have to come from the commercial systems group. which wasn't supposed to happen since we don't know many of the FreeBSD folks." o He also acknowledged alot of problems in upper management. But said that those that could do anything are still tired from the AT&T lawsuit. That leaves like what 2 or 3 people from the CSRG that are *at* BSDi? So basically I guess he is saying they are to tired to give a crap as BSDi gows down the drain. Cant be bothered to fix the problems. I don't know how much of the above is accurate he seems to be on the left. And the OSD folks on the right. But as many people have noticed. FreeBSD is bringing in a LARGE chunk of change for BSDi and they are just pissing away the developers and resources for FreeBSD. So if management is really the problem on the OSD side why has this not been resolved? If it isn't true tell me so I can rebut that fact to him. I just want to try and get things fixed. Im pretty sure it had very little to do with management of the OSD people because FreeBSD never had people quitting in droves when it was WC in the captains chair. *grumble* ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tommorow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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