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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g66sm15644504qkb.122.2020.05.25.14.59.43 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 May 2020 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49W9xC0cTGzc3n for ; Mon, 25 May 2020 17:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 17:59:34 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation Message-ID: <20200525175934.00006d04@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20200523100200.04579e5d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/uJQo_xxSBGHSM6mU0P3+zjS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49WB5K5ndSz3Sr7 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=rJR/lUWD; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::729 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.55 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.225.250:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.936]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.016]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.105]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::729:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 22:06:46 -0000 --Sig_/uJQo_xxSBGHSM6mU0P3+zjS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 25 May 2020 14:31:23 -0400 (EDT), Doug Denault commented: >To that end, I really believe in the thing I read somewhere (maybe >Richie) that the Unix philosophy is "I will not stop you from doing >something incredibly stupid, because that may stop you from doing >something incredibly clever". The PHP project is the exact opsite of >this. "It is not the computer's job to stop you from shotting yourself in the foot, but rather, to deliver the bullet with the utmost accuracy." --=20 Jerry --Sig_/uJQo_xxSBGHSM6mU0P3+zjS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7MP8cACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQA0AgAw/636oBFB232oAbvBwIQRGEuuT0Gfsl9MUd8rqBQqoOldTZwBb2M/CI8 HEMmrr7w5OTnL0OBqirhaj8yb45Rn6j1EZT84YRTYRrWDy6xp0Tl+4w+KZKTLkMQ OG1+lHxHIlGmlStCHmUlDZUB3nVEMa7wd8dbksftsUCwNhxYg1PWWnbzlkQBr4cr Ks+VXLHhZQt7VV4vnYk/BNBYKuEu0JE+gGerWM3MphjCV+z5NYBYxoobVmQAOXBW 1j5Fu2Fed4+sn5HNjajPxd8Ds/EPC2EqXRuCZEFca3U5Ar3j9auysjX7g+YtWDQb 0qK8rNw9tfMX5XdU39RcIKFut13nhQ== =Y4cy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/uJQo_xxSBGHSM6mU0P3+zjS--