From owner-cvs-all Thu Oct 12 12:47:35 2000 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06737B502; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9CJkai25741; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001012151124.H37870@jade.chc-chimes.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin q To: Bill Fumerola Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc inetd.conf Cc: Matt Dillon , Warner Losh , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, Doug Barton , Tony Finch , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , Jordan Hubbard , John Hay Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 12-Oct-00 Bill Fumerola wrote: >> Does the cron process give you the heebee-jeebies? What about the "scary" >> ones like vmdaemon, pagedaemon, syncer, and swapper? Come on, think with >> your head. > > Do any of the above have a history of providing {remote,local} root into > machines > that goes back further then before both of us were born? No. Ummm. If the sendmail process is sleeping waiting for a SIGALARM it isn't running so that it can be rooted. Please. Go learn about how this stuff works before spouting off inaccuracies. >> > Doesn't the word "cron" pop into everyones head when someone says "I'd >> > like >> > to run something once every X timeunits". >> >> Cron has uses for some things, but not for all things. Also, this change is >> much less painless to a) other MTA's, and b) to sysinstall and descedants as >> the only change is to sendmail_flags in rc.conf, rather than having to try >> to automate editing of files. > > a) they should provide their own hooks into queueing ($PREFIX/etc/rc.d[2], > etc) So we want rc.d scripts that edit crontab? Hmm? Wouldn't these scripts probably do the equivalent of a 'sendmail -q1d' or whatever instead? Isn't that much easier than having each port/pkg install have to go editing cron files and other silliness? > b) limitations of our installer shouldn't prevent other subsystems from doing > things right. Lack of knowledge about how the system actually works shouldn't cause us to use inefficient, wrong hacks. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message