From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 16 19:17:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00204 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus (pm3-p35.tfs.net [206.154.183.227]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00193 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA15005; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:15:06 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199704170215.VAA15005@argus> Subject: Re: On Holy Wars, and a Plea for Peace [sorry Danny, wherever you are, but the title fits]... To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: jbryant@tfs.net In-Reply-To: <199704162357.QAA28419@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Apr 16, 97 04:57:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply: > I supposed this semantic attack serves me right for attempting to be > terse in my reponse in consideration of past requests by you, Jordan, > et. al.. If this is the use to which you choose to put my attempted > conformance to those requests... C'este la guerre. [etc, etc, etc, etc...] wake up, smell the coffee... the topic was changed to how to market FreeBSD, not filesystems, implementation issues, etc... let's hear some constructive comments on how such things as i outlined last night might be accomplished... i'll add another few items to my list from last night... 1). chop the price in half to $19.95. 2). drop the subscription priceing, if it's cheap to begin with, then there is no need for a subscription rate... 3). keep SNAP releases as a mail-order item, keep the experimenters happy, but don't confuse the dweebs, er, general public by putting SNAP cds on the shelves... if marketed as i outlined, this will sell more cds in one fell swoop than have been sold to date... the trick is to PUT IT ON THE SHELVES... AVAILABILITY IS WHAT MAKES DEVELOPERS TAKE NOTICE [in case you haven't noticed, that has been my point in the entire discussion]... FreeBSD should be the first *UNIX* to do this... Just ask around, people know about FreeBSD, or have heard of it, and upon learning a bit about it are willing to try it, but invariably the end result is that the user cannot easily get it... if the end user cannot easily obtain the solution, and other solutions are easily obtainable, the developers will pick the latter. QED jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@tfs.net - KC5VDJ 2M, 70cm, KPC-3+ - kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam