From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 00:51:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B5716A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B1D13C428 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1246971fka for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:50:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ItnuXjIo/QnPmU3fB0zk2EgijQwzMdoqO+d6jy8sAkkS+6LLlWNV3jL3YmPjDHlFht9Gq/Tp25CBcscWFgCdad5g+C1szRdEdfUDpHimJ4BPCT/HtL0sSuyjgmaZbV1Rva2r/hmFBbNE74cF3FhUzcOtnll5bC0zS1lXOMXf6xQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZxewQYmUBrEvFQgvsAKzL2TmVwgs/AkA6N06BeqYugFnlFTQpyPBGfhPSaDLGPwQFI4TAvwqb62a+nhxBpAeRnYzweD+RwXzr+LIvmtDjSDjBC6xzjCG50gQneMZHoVAabvaba7cM7C0h0vSebD0EC0PPuVzWUcVwww76bThuMY= Received: by 10.82.100.1 with SMTP id x1mr4720176bub.1186275059652; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:50:59 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Damian Vicino" In-Reply-To: <46B4E8D7.4060700@dc.uba.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46B4E8D7.4060700@dc.uba.ar> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Using Smart-Fail HD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:51:01 -0000 On 04/08/07, Damian Vicino wrote: > Hello. > Im Having FBSD running in a P3 with 4.3GB HD, and got 2 extra 80GBs HD > that fails the SMART check. > I did a full HD scan with tools provided by the HD's developers and over > 90% of the HDs are safe. > I want to use those HD for home of the lowrank users, and keep the > critical data in the 4GB HD. > Do u know any pretty safe FS for this kind of unstable hardware, i was > thinking in something with software RAID maybe. > Thanks for any suggestion, im pretty new on FBSD world (and > english-speak world too). > BTW, if the solution can be applied to DFBSD, it will be very nice, > becouse i got another machine P1 runnning it, and all HDs i can get for > it use to have a lot of failures already. It, more or less, depends on the errors. I think, though, that I would use some sort of mirroring, gmirror for FreeBSD. That way, if you lose a drive you can at least fall down somewhat gracefully rather than a panic and no more data. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 02:02:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F7D16A418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7038C13C46A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) id l7522cMo059889; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:02:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:02:37 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Damian Vicino Message-ID: <20070805020237.GE77822@dan.emsphone.com> References: <46B4E8D7.4060700@dc.uba.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46B4E8D7.4060700@dc.uba.ar> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Using Smart-Fail HD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:02:48 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 04), Damian Vicino said: > Im Having FBSD running in a P3 with 4.3GB HD, and got 2 extra 80GBs > HD that fails the SMART check. If those drives fail a SMART check and they are under warranty, send them back for replacement. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 02:41:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0357016A418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jackbarnett@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF9813C428 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jackbarnett@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so2122539pye for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:41:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gxgturjGmm+5MiLbTf0nv1ugnNmCDIRVxe8kmJxEv0zYsnEjgLkp6fM7MzIsCv2dFpwzIdVzdKA91jIPOqgGmMLoKN0SPe1euwyvVb2B9E09zG73QR+UzuFSXsyeofaFpg1t6J5YBYyqrmarpTkshX5z9UG2r2oF3iECmljr7Jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YYoydbezW9+PAy3VFGO0dgqlebXuqTqq7/r2UcF7OgoJLt1QlgHRzlexCgFoDQaNaE/WV0/bvfm/I3m9z2k/iGqqNiYTPX7//GTKTMev2rS80CAZLFT2VWJ6QdVCPxtJTC6WwumXLV34JJzG6A24zyT95eAjx4nX1Xc6GCwL428= Received: by 10.35.111.14 with SMTP id o14mr7459753pym.1186281707139; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.17.10? ( [67.190.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm17862130nzk.2007.08.04.19.41.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B538E8.7060602@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:41:44 -0500 From: jbarnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Iomega Ditto Max Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jackbarnett@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:41:48 -0000 Hello, I have this drive: Iomega Ditto Max (Professional) Model: IO 1000 - PX It has a parallel port interface. Included are a bunch of 5/10 Gig [uncompressed/compressed] tapes and also a few 3.5/7 Gig [uncom/com] tapes. I was wondering if this would be usable under the FreeBSD? Version: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386 Thank you kindly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 02:44:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFD816A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nico-freebsd-questions@schottelius.org) Received: from denkbrett.schottelius.org (ch126.ha.eof.name [62.65.155.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6800D13C461 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nico-freebsd-questions@schottelius.org) Received: by denkbrett.schottelius.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9477C147112; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:57:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:57:51 +0200 From: Nico -telmich- Schottelius To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070804235751.GA4010@schottelius.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: echo $message | gpg -e $sender -s | netcat mailhost 25 X-Unix-Info: http://unix.schottelius.org/ X-Netzseite: http://nico.schottelius.org/ X-System-Info: denkbrett running Linux 2.6.22.1-rsbac-denkbrett on i686 Subject: Raid Monitoring: a summary X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:44:44 -0000 --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello guys! As we've some Freebsd servers at work and we need to control the status of the raid-systems I started to write a page describing how to monitor the different raid-systems. It cat be found at http://nico.schottelius.org/documentations/freebsd/freebsd-raid-monitoring/ I know that there are some systems missing (at least adaptec), because I just documentated what we've here or what I searched for anyhow. So if you've additional information, please tell me, so I can put them on that page. My aim is to have all supported raid systems documentated, so there's a central documentation available about how to monitor all raid systems. Sincerly Nico --=20 Think about Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). http://nico.schottelius.org/documentations/foss/the-term-foss/ PGP: BFE4 C736 ABE5 406F 8F42 F7CF B8BE F92A 9885 188C --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGtRJ+uL75KpiFGIwRApItAKCPMsR5o+dfhj87YLM3gHjtSKKSngCgtMbv vbK5YZy0qH84nqjWv8GDZB4= =GopH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 02:57:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B4A16A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786FD13C428 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from localhost (jn@ns1 [69.55.238.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l752vi2r012233; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:57:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, jackbarnett@gmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:56:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46B538E8.7060602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46B538E8.7060602@gmail.com> X-Face: #X5#Y*q>F:]zT!DegL3z5Xo'^MN[$8k\[4^3rN~wm=s=Uw(sW}R?3b^*f1Wu*.<=?utf-8?q?of=5F4NrS=0A=09P*M/9CpxDo!D6?=)IY1w<9B1jB; tBQf[RU-R<,I)e"$q7N7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708042256.50421.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: Iomega Ditto Max Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:57:45 -0000 On Saturday 04 August 2007, jbarnet wrote: > Hello, > > I have this drive: > Iomega Ditto Max (Professional) > Model: IO 1000 - PX > > It has a parallel port interface. > > Included are a bunch of 5/10 Gig [uncompressed/compressed] tapes and > also a few 3.5/7 Gig [uncom/com] tapes. > > I was wondering if this would be usable under the FreeBSD? > > Version: > FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386 The vpo(4) manpage does not mention this device, but if it uses the same parallel-to-SCSI interface as one of the other Iomega products listed then it might work. vpo is not part of the default GENERIC kernel so you'd either need to load it as a module or build a custom kernel to include it. You'll also need scbus(4) and sa(4), but they are included in GENERIC. JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 03:23:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7021C16A41A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdprakash@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E06E13C45A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdprakash@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so772034rvb for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:23:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LHIbjaEwOkDobvqFiMQ1NN3lwrUazTqK0DES2LICOMtW25R21AICVQTGRX+rEmofeVzeKtpQR+ux2bcqmsyEwvw2SCw0E4RcUMuI/NBDFBCxtlHi5hJii0bqnVlyMmgYAKewHEqWnp1hdKuWkTgkQsZm/yFkxUWbyPd3slwXYMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VyX5ehgV4gVch9RswoJqSfCb+TuBAAGA2ojz89QZTgys0n+CNIquSBpoptHLeA8xFvSKwq5mNw0spsv4YuM428b47p4qvVUbU752+0wUgwWWDDKxjCeHPcEnkD1Zudgi2J0DumMPR4nNzNkIPSh3p+FIl3kIor47ak3PELb4F1U= Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr194646wfh.1186284196799; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.2 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:08:16 +0545 From: "Prakash Poudyal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 03:23:17 -0000 Hello everybody, Can any body tell how to see the size of RAM memory in freebsd. ? Thank you Sincerely Prakash From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 03:54:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FA716A41A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D2513C459 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from t60.mydomain.home (cpe-72-231-141-22.nycap.res.rr.com[72.231.141.22]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20070805034357113008v60ve>; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:43:58 +0000 Message-ID: <46B5477B.4030001@att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:43:55 -0400 From: "Arend P. van der Veen" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <46AA4CBB.4080605@dwinner.net> <46AA5D1A.5020207@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46AA5D1A.5020207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "David J. Neu" , dwinner@dwinner.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: emacs22 and portsdb X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 03:54:17 -0000 Hi, I have been having trouble with emacs22 also. I am using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7. I did the upgrade as described in the updating notes. I use emacs plus auctex slime quack emacs-w3m Everything was upgraded properly. However, no portsdb -Uu generates errors. Therefore, I have remove EMACS_PORT_NAME=emacs22 from /etc/make.conf and now portsdb -Uu works without a problem. However, if I remove any of the ports such as auctex and then reinstall it, portinstall will try to install emacs21 again which conflicts with emacs22. I am stuck. If I leave EMACS_PORT_NAME=emacs22 in /etc/make.conf then dependencies work but portsdb -Uu fails. If I remove EMACS_PORT_NAME=emacs22 from /etc/make.conf then portsdb -Uu works but the dependencies are messed up. I even went as far as to delete emacs with pkg_delete -r emacs-22.1 and tried installing everything from scratch. However the dependencies are still messed up. Does anybody have a solution to this problem? Thanks, Arend van der Veen Matthew Seaman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Duane Winner wrote: > >> We've been having a problem with generating the ports Index ever since >> upgrading to emacs22. >> >> As per /usr/ports/UPDATING, we added EMACS_PORT_NAME=*emacs22* to >> /etc/make.conf > > Errr --- that should probably read: > > EMACS_PORT_NAME=emacs22 > > You certainly don't need the asterisks there. > > In any case, setting this variable will screw up indexing, because a > number of e-lisp ports will try and append the EMACS_PORT_NAME to > their package origin if it is set. However not all the ports that > do that also have a slave port 'foo-emacs22' hence the problems with > building the INDEX. > > The best answer is don't set EMACS_PORT_NAME in /etc/make.conf -- > emacs22 is the default now anyhow. The INDEX will build just fine, > and the various e-lisp packages seem to work OK as well, so long as > you've reinstall all the e-lisp packages once you've upgraded from > emacs21 to emacs22. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > - -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > Kent, CT11 9PW > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGql0a8Mjk52CukIwRCJkgAJ0fh9qkl4eWFQRwrrG8DIwAOqUmlACeMT19 > 8AWFPYKQdh8Fvko14TCwyxs= > =vZLj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 04:00:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0927316A41A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E848F13C459 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so773200rvb for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zl24kTIp3KqSRXaEbQrJ2BGD4mIUpvVTJ8lzZOKKgTKv5MptNH/Djdhnh9RHZxNAP8rNXm8OfpiK8jCRCCHL0Dr7G2z34Ll9D1P3hk3EDyQBwc54gugGbyyMsUvkX4QrkfcT/05FTHx/MGqAGG//SZndDvtTyMf6ZPqxGYBr5ys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IW7CW639vCA4lZlqly8ax0MLVm3U90FAZeNnKMYpzhiPNBw9NawvIK0mRfkUSDmlPoP+13Llvi3zn9r2s3lk8Yf6dSgfD+3naCShKl0Qebc11T6zwETKPMmU9JfeRKZ5PlNRZ+3kZv00ytGYD8eml38v98uVLcaWQ/sSWyHsr/A= Received: by 10.141.63.20 with SMTP id q20mr1258782rvk.1186286426490; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.170.12 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64c038660708042100jdf7db91qbb92a6c663857627@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:00:26 -0600 From: Modulok To: "Prakash Poudyal" In-Reply-To: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:00:27 -0000 On 8/4/07, Prakash Poudyal wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Can any body tell how to see the size of RAM memory in freebsd. ? > Thank you > > Sincerely > > Prakash It should be displayed early in the dmesg(8) output shown during the boot process. You may review this by executing the dmesg(8) command. Among the output will be listed: dmesg | grep "memory" real memory = 2146304000 (2046 MB) avail memory = 2087034880 (1990 MB) You could also check the appropriate sysctl(8) variables as follows: sysctl hw.physmem sysctl hw.usermem sysctl hw.realmem To get memory usage statistics you can use ps(1) and top(1): ps -u top -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 04:10:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4C916A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F9613C457 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E101C50886 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bi9jBziP8clm for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F360E50848; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070805041002.F360E50848@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-07-15 - 2007-08-04 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:10:14 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 1-Aug : IBM ThinkPad T41: Upgrading RAM and HDD Things are getting tight and slow... http://freebsddiary.org/ibm-thinkpad-t41-hardware-upgrades.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 04:15:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D21A16A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AB213C45A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from [192.168.1.29] (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4DF5C1F; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:44:11 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <46B5478A.7060609@hdk5.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:44:10 -1000 From: NetOpsCenter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060417 FreeBSD/i386 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Prakash Poudyal , questions@freebsd.org References: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:15:57 -0000 Prakash Poudyal wrote: >Hello everybody, > >Can any body tell how to see the size of RAM memory in freebsd. ? >Thank you > >Sincerely > >Prakash >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > dmesg -a | more This will get you all the stats from boot up. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + noc@hdk5.net + + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* + "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 05:13:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3DF16A41A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-239-216.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.239.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DB13C4D5 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (localhost.home.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l74KwwEk008364 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:58:58 -0700 Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id l74Kwwr4008361 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:58:58 -0700 Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id UAA25769; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:57:03 GMT Message-Id: <200708042057.UAA25769@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:57:03 +0100 From: Dieter Subject: Re: USB drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:13:36 -0000 > Hi, I'm thinking of getting a couple USB drives to use in > backing up my 6.2-RELEASE-p4 system. Any suggestions or > warnings on brands of USB hard drives? If you go the external box route, be sure to get one with reasonable cooling. I have a JM20337 which works fine with FreeBSD 6.2, except for: I haven't found a way to set the mode of a USB disk's write cache. PR usb/113977 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 05:35:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735916A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD21513C459 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so897222wxd for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=PqPyiWQiF4LsCvz+rAwO7vvFswIgEptsvh4c4v6VnwoMndauw4Fh1KdUKDfRqB7QmiYin97MD3SxVRGybPTw3CDOl4pxm2otgKgin85X+AzU6g9gv6CmflTxz2RzTa0JUuOK+EtUO+mW5Z6Ig8TPQRk2EDyq91TMd+9swI9/vmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=Rea74UKwQDZEqirG/yCGvzL2bAnq9auZ5tvoMroSrsgvr5VpPJ/24u+QHTYnWCJ2Z7taQV9ZHnJ5Sj7pwBPEEbi9fMR2XoH2omz7extw3I0cpQxhAPIgFp5zbKjo4Adk9QMubDDEQ8gf0YSsZOENrGZieSLB2dGoT/30d2S5DDA= Received: by 10.70.11.5 with SMTP id 5mr7733719wxk.1186292157749; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m33sm5551673ele.2007.08.04.22.35.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scrat.home.rakhesh.com (scrat.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.31]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A22211420; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:32 +0400 (GST) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:32 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@scrat.home.rakhesh.com To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <46B0F17C.2010506@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20070805091932.B67919@scrat.home.rakhesh.com> References: <499c70c0707260136hea82f27s87dfa53432d0e409@mail.gmail.com> <94c6ae7ae570814564d364bfe9aad8ea@szalbot.homedns.org> <20070801030504.GA3773@bifrost.agrussell.com> <426DE541-FB51-44FF-B7F4-B34E0F9A7861@goldmark.org> <46B0DB5F.4020401@FreeBSD.org> <60BEAECB-C72A-46B3-90D7-F3AB8778605D@goldmark.org> <46B0F17C.2010506@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "A.G. Russell IV" , Jeffrey Goldberg , Freebsd questions Subject: Re: Waiting for BIND security announcement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:35:59 -0000 Hi! Was going through this slightly old thread and wanted to clear somethings up for myself. >> >>> If you want to stay as close as possible to 6.2-RELEASE but also >>> include the fixes that the security officer deems important enough to >>> release widely, use the tag RELENG_6_2 (usually in your supfile for >>> cvsup or csup). If you want the latest code for 6-stable, which will >>> eventually become 6.3-RELEASE, use just RELENG_6. I use 'freebsd-update' to keep my 6.2 installation up-to-date. So that means I would be following the RELENG_6_2 tag, right? > In addition to security issues, the ports give you a greater degree of > flexibility in how BIND is configured. If you're going to be offering > a public name server (and by that I hope you mean authoritative, not > recursive) on 6-stable you're probably better off using 9.4.x anyway, > with the threading option disabled. > >> Are there other things in /usr/src/contrib that follow this pattern? > > Sure, lots. Too many for me to list without having to think hard about > it and potentially leave something out. This has probably been asked before, but if BIND is available in ports then why is it also available in contrib? Are there any benefits in choosing the one in contrib over the one in ports? Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 05:13:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D49F16A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-239-216.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.239.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A0013C4D3 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (localhost.home.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l74NcVtV009250 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:38:31 -0700 Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id l74NcVLf009247 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:38:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id XAA04646; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:04:00 GMT Message-Id: <200708042304.XAA04646@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:04:00 +0100 From: Dieter X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:43:43 +0000 Subject: Re: 6.2 not compatible with new sata drives ?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:13:36 -0000 > I got 2 new 160GB drives last month, and my system has been > unstable ever since. I have swapped cables, purchased a > brand-new sata150 controller (as opposed to the year old > sataII), and the results are always the same. What make & model controllers? What make & model drives? Some combinations of controller and drive do not play well together. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 06:49:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEAD16A418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ED613C465 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l756mxV0013821; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:48:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l756mwdb013818; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:48:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:48:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070805084850.N13728@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating an ext2 file system on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:49:11 -0000 /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Hi again. Is there a FreeBSD equivalent of Linux's 'mke2fs'? I want to create > a disk image that is in ext2 format. On Linux, I would do: > dd if=/dev/zero of=some.img bs=1M count=1 seek=1024 > /sbin/mke2fs -F -j some.img > Can I do something similar on FreeBSD? > > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 06:49:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CB716A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4417513C48A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l756naYv016528; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:49:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l756naBY016496; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:49:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:49:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Prakash Poudyal In-Reply-To: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070805084918.R13728@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:49:42 -0000 dmesg |grep memory On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, Prakash Poudyal wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Can any body tell how to see the size of RAM memory in freebsd. ? > Thank you > > Sincerely > > Prakash > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 06:50:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431E016A41A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F31813C48A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:50:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l756onjH021795; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:50:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l756ogOr021640; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:50:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:50:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dieter In-Reply-To: <200708042304.XAA04646@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: <20070805085018.A13728@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200708042304.XAA04646@sopwith.solgatos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 6.2 not compatible with new sata drives ?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:50:54 -0000 bought month ago ad4: 305245MB at ata2-master SATA150 on amd64 server - no problems On Sat, 4 Aug 2007, Dieter wrote: >> I got 2 new 160GB drives last month, and my system has been >> unstable ever since. I have swapped cables, purchased a >> brand-new sata150 controller (as opposed to the year old >> sataII), and the results are always the same. > > What make & model controllers? What make & model drives? > Some combinations of controller and drive do not play well > together. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 07:18:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3511416A418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2D513C458 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so778624rvb for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:18:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=krg+OW070NaEozqaJBaPhCU+K01YpRZdOGDASJQQWU6WIXK4tuFsy+O/sjZK23xxKvgw3Hg6SE+1h44FFxejJdIiuE4WEhPwFxUxiqDBjV32VSajDeMC22RnjYa8n6FLa9WpbJWzbb1hi/qWqaz4v+rFIQ/7csTZTcbTTddrwWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AZdbXujRrF+NasU3O2bZx4EaG4/iDvslCY942RVjov5vqDPyvEJGMo4GKkzDy1+WHwk4i4EyWVW+Ac6Alcem3i46cLEToAN64BUcPDl4+0PFiSGbWQPRG1dYcx7gsa9gA5cerfKPbworAbV1Xkb7fVtcKbPJUU6Rlm4k/A2qTos= Received: by 10.141.52.5 with SMTP id e5mr1692856rvk.1186296708956; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [121.247.78.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm8607657rvf.2007.08.04.23.51.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:51:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> References: <1428d0e80708042023k3b5bec4cs4683a92f84d3f521@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Shantanoo Mahajan Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:21:40 +0530 To: Prakash Poudyal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 07:18:23 -0000 On 05-Aug-07, at 8:53 AM, Prakash Poudyal wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Can any body tell how to see the size of RAM memory in freebsd. ? you may try: sysctl -a | grep -i mem shanatnoo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 14:38:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E4416A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6175213C46B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from t60.mydomain.home (cpe-72-231-141-22.nycap.res.rr.com[72.231.141.22]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with ESMTP id <20070805143850111002llb5e>; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:38:50 +0000 Message-ID: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:38:48 -0400 From: "Arend P. van der Veen" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: portsdb and cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:38:51 -0000 Hi, I have recently been having trouble with running portsdb after cvsup. I am running 6.2-RELEASE-p7. The approach that I had been using was: /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 0 /usr/sup/supfile /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Uu This had worked great until the emacs22 update. Now portsdb crashes due to the emacs entry in /etc/make.conf. However, I see very little chatter on the lists about this. I have started to wonder if the bulk of the community may be updating their ports differently. Upon some limited research I found that I could use: /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 0 /usr/sup/supfile /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Fu This work fine for me. I can then use tools such as pkg_version, pkg_delete, portinstall and portupgrade without any problems. My open ended question is what does the rest of the community do to update their ports collection? Thanks, Arend From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 14:51:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C832516A46B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F013C46E for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75EpObC025642 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:51:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:51:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20070805041002.F360E50848@nyi.unixathome.org> In-Reply-To: <20070805041002.F360E50848@nyi.unixathome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708050951.24220.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-07-15 - 2007-08-04 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:51:27 -0000 On Saturday 04 August 2007 23:10:02 Dan Langille wrote: > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > archives > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > > These are the articles posted during this period: > > 1-Aug : IBM ThinkPad T41: Upgrading RAM and HDD > Things are getting tight and slow... > http://freebsddiary.org/ibm-thinkpad-t41-hardware-upgrades.php?2 dan, saw your article. hold tight if you havent bought anything yet... we have a ton of ibm t4x laptops, which are nearing decommission. the ones that are still in service have a minimum of a gig of ram, and some might have more. i know we have a ton of discarded ram modules, and i *might* be able to come up with something that might be worth donating. i will check what we have first thing monday morning, and let you know if im able to send something over. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 15:00:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D193416A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B5E13C465 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1643809waf for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TcStRlromHGpH02N5fQieacZ2TuN0ksvi1CMt5jj8opXzyC84mdbcDAmN6elX1dfbf38NZzjxHIBeoX/jdrEa6Uc/1mhFiwW5c6ekwOQCs2nu14TGaD/K6+pyaqa5AkL/pAec54xvAr49XlQZuqzLoZAJCiyVL1KUD++9nM2gSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mTtSvMMq3gAtnRYI9qCOOy5ozH59i5hGc+mz0i6h5NsdwUI+NjSTgpfTp3Wv+YNY0Y7puUAp8Da2y5uJfnpNk6bWN43IiEW1bJrgfWVP1YSfeMARTf5qDBk26aQ0CuGk6ESLrhnvndpp0if9EdAKCmpERDv1GR1Eprz9ReKqLS0= Received: by 10.114.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr4777060wac.1186326011922; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z60m.optimlabs.com ( [210.213.197.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l37sm5462265waf.2007.08.05.08.00.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:00:06 +0300 From: OutBackDingo To: Jonathan Horne Message-ID: <20070805180006.083fb477@z60m.optimlabs.com> In-Reply-To: <200708050951.24220.freebsd@dfwlp.com> References: <20070805041002.F360E50848@nyi.unixathome.org> <200708050951.24220.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.2 (GTK+ 2.10.13; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-07-15 - 2007-08-04 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:00:12 -0000 Hrmm odd cause my Z60M lenovo said the largest drive i could buy was 120G, but sensing the fact that was only due to specs i opted to buy a 250G SATA i plugged it in and it worked fine. might be the specs were based on drive sizes available at the time ? On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:51:24 -0500 Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Saturday 04 August 2007 23:10:02 Dan Langille wrote: > > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people > > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > > archives > > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > > > > These are the articles posted during this period: > > > > 1-Aug : IBM ThinkPad T41: Upgrading RAM and HDD > > Things are getting tight and slow... > > http://freebsddiary.org/ibm-thinkpad-t41-hardware-upgrades.php?2 > > dan, > > saw your article. hold tight if you havent bought anything yet... we > have a ton of ibm t4x laptops, which are nearing decommission. the > ones that are still in service have a minimum of a gig of ram, and > some might have more. i know we have a ton of discarded ram modules, > and i *might* be able to come up with something that might be worth > donating. > > i will check what we have first thing monday morning, and let you > know if im able to send something over. > > cheers, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 14:12:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD6F16A421 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcrazym@yahoo.com) Received: from web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC03013C4B7 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcrazym@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74518 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2007 13:45:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bDgIxjIU0h2woSX15ufVZPeJXB3qiLIt8BJCiaptsmUY3rSFi4vK3FOBiqY9jzjiHpLWbirW8YeeDd5d4x5i1kCIoErm3taB49Q4ooItFqkapNHMJQ6HWqo8idctCE4x+6AWFUfJkMfwM0lxLvthMzAyTQJwmk/GpLbl6xTecUA=; X-YMail-OSG: nMuY1AQVM1l2gYOWnigSFBlMxAwM3N2svoxs6OIgUQ_3eSql6PTwfvXSTG7.sg0ZDaXn0mbcKAPOBBKp2.kdbMbFcPmE8hj.922Bs5D_Y9HQ.FluM.aazs3MFl7woA-- Received: from [86.108.102.159] by web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:45:40 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Galya." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <424139.73619.qm@web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:09:42 +0000 Cc: Subject: Cross Compiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:12:22 -0000 hello, i need if i can make cross compiling for bsdlite while im running freebsd , if there is any kind of help for this , cross compiling , and all about how to make it done plz help me.. /` | \] (| | (| \/ (| / ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 15:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0413E16A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (Mail-03.name-services.com [64.74.223.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F3213C45D for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from laptop ([76.190.247.202]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:51:49 -0700 From: "fbsd2" To: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:49:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2007 15:51:49.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[89091670:01C7D778] Subject: RE: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:49:03 -0000 I tried what people said to do and I get different values that do not match what the bios say. Why is there so large a difference? How can this be explained??? # /root >sysctl -a | grep -i memory Virtual Memory: (Total: 2871K, Active 91444K) Real Memory: (Total: 37324K Active 12756K) Shared Virtual Memory: (Total: 15088K Active: 9864K) Shared Real Memory: (Total: 3284K Active: 2700K) Free Memory Pages: 20896K # /root >dmesg | grep -i memory real memory = 67108864 (64 MB) avail memory = 56094720 (53 MB) bios show base 640k extended 64512k cache 384k total = 65536k -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Shantanoo Mahajan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:52 AM To: Prakash Poudyal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory On 05-Aug-07, at 8:53 AM, Prakash Poudyal wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Can any body tell how to see the size of RAM memory in freebsd. ? you may try: sysctl -a | grep -i mem shanatnoo _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 15:58:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A77116A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:58:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from forget_about_aj@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986B813C469 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:58:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from forget_about_aj@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY124-W55 ([207.46.11.218]) by bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:46:37 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [86.108.102.159] From: Ahmad Hamad To: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:46:36 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2007 15:46:37.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEB580B0:01C7D777] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:18:20 +0000 Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:58:36 -0000 Hello,=20 I'm trying to compile 4.4BSD-lite under FreeBSD 6.2, and I'm trying to comp= ile gcc-2.3 that comes with 4.4BSD-lite so I have to make a cross compiling= , but Unluckily I couldn't find any cross-linker or cross-assembler to run = under FreeBSD So I tried to compile Binutils for that but when I compile bi= nutils I got compilation errors, when I searched about it I found that binu= tils that's incompatible with FreeBSD,my question is is there any cross-lin= ker or cross-assembler or binutils dedicated for FreBSD. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go with BackOfMyHand.com http://www.backofmyhand.com= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 16:49:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADAD16A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx22.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9CDA13C46E for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 7739 invoked by uid 399); 5 Aug 2007 16:42:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 5 Aug 2007 16:42:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <46B5FE07.5080004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:42:47 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rakhesh Sasidharan References: <499c70c0707260136hea82f27s87dfa53432d0e409@mail.gmail.com> <94c6ae7ae570814564d364bfe9aad8ea@szalbot.homedns.org> <20070801030504.GA3773@bifrost.agrussell.com> <426DE541-FB51-44FF-B7F4-B34E0F9A7861@goldmark.org> <46B0DB5F.4020401@FreeBSD.org> <60BEAECB-C72A-46B3-90D7-F3AB8778605D@goldmark.org> <46B0F17C.2010506@FreeBSD.org> <20070805091932.B67919@scrat.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070805091932.B67919@scrat.home.rakhesh.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "A.G. Russell IV" , Jeffrey Goldberg , Freebsd questions Subject: Re: Waiting for BIND security announcement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:49:31 -0000 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > This has probably been asked before, Heh, no, never. :) > but if BIND is available in ports then why is it also available in > contrib? Couple of reasons, of relatively equal importance depending on who you speak to. BSD systems have "always" (I haven't verified this, but people who should know have told me) shipped with dns stuff on board, so there is resistance to the idea of stripping it out for that reason. The other thing that is a concern to a lot of people is that BIND is more than just named. Take a look at the WITHOUT_BIND* knobs in src.conf(1) in 7-current or make.conf(1) in 6-stable to get an idea of how things break down. I have a standing offer to either remove BIND from the base, or flip the defaults for some of those knobs to "NO" if the community wants it that way. > Are there any benefits in choosing the one in contrib over the one > in ports? Advantage to the one in contrib is that it's right there, and the new default named.conf (and associated files) makes it possible to start up a local resolver "out of the box." If you want a greater degree of freedom in build-time configuration, or you want a version other than what is in your base (for example, you want to use 9.4.x but you're on a 6-stable machine), then you can use the ports. The ports also have an option to overwrite the files in the base if that makes things easier in your environment. hth, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 17:13:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0897D16A418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-239-216.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.239.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D124413C45D for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (localhost.home.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75GZmA9016657 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:48 -0700 Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id l75GZmIZ016654 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:48 -0700 Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id QAA17703; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:33:12 GMT Message-Id: <200708051633.QAA17703@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:33:12 +0100 From: Dieter Subject: Re: 6.2 not compatible with new sata drives ?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:13:35 -0000 >> I got 2 new 160GB drives last month, and my system has been >> unstable ever since. I have swapped cables, purchased a >> brand-new sata150 controller (as opposed to the year old >> sataII), and the results are always the same. > > What make & model controllers? What make & model drives? > Some combinations of controller and drive do not play well > together. I just found your other posting "ad8: FAILURE - device detached". I assume that the new failing disks are >>> ad4: 157066MB at ata2-master SATA150 >>> ad8: 157066MB at ata4-master SATA150 and that they are Hitachi? I still don't know what controller you are using, but I read that nforce4 plus Maxtor or Hitachi disks gives data corruption: http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t8171.html I have been using nforce4-ultra with Seagate disks with no data corruption problems. It is not immediately obvious how data corruption would cause your device detached problem, but there could be more than one bug. If your controller works well with your Samsung drives, you could return the Hitachis and get more Samsungs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 17:17:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC1016A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1186764244.bc8078@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7734813C46E for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1186764244.bc8078@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75Gi5wY089160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1186764244.bc8078@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.14.1/Submit) id l75Gi5tG089159 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1186764244.bc8078@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1186764244.bc8078@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:44:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:44:04 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070805164403.GA88838@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: David Banning X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3863/Sun Aug 5 10:45:33 2007 on 3s1.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on 3s1.com Cc: Subject: apsfilter setup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:17:20 -0000 I am setting up a new installation of apsfilter to a network printer. There a re the install options I have set during apsfilter setup. (D) Available Device Drivers in your gs binary (R) Read Ghostscript driver documentation (devices.txt) (1) Printer Driver Selection [ljet4] (2) Interface Setup [samba] (3) Paper Format [letter] (4) Printing Quality [high] (5) Color Mode [gray] (6) Print Resolution in "dots per inch" [600x600] (7) Default Printing Method [auto] I go to print a test page, and it's successful; Printing Test page using: gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER -r600x600 -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sPAPERSIZE=letter -sOutputFile='/tmp/apsfilter88754/test_page.aps' setup/test.ps Ok to print testpage? [y/n] y I creates and entry in /etc/printcap; lp|ljet4;r=600x600;q=high;c=gray;p=letter;m=auto:\ :lp=/dev/null:\ :if=/usr/local/etc/apsfilter/basedir/bin/apsfilter:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: But it will not print with the command ls | lp or ls | lpr or lp -dlp I installed samba without CUPS printing support. # lpc stat all lp: queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries in spool area printer idle Any ideas how I can bridge from a working test to a non-working print setup? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 17:24:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C109316A420 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F4A13C461 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so958452wxd for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=JXvbu5v2eZkhCSpPaFhGS7MuaKRKr+RrPk7G26uQ2WelQijiQfv27gguQ/DoA99rz4eeOP5p2wRteOTFddAdaODwLSOLt+rmnmGKaVUHbP5AmrwujNQvhF6IRwtEBGEf29LguYBF74YSSOpmz2hgdNAqvBq+M6omCpNEeSKxHtE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=OAgfS2+zpoBSDFNKrGZXAyYM0KqEtc1adgbBvwUZs++3QIG61uTmRfOHScis4z2b0DylaNQQiAakKj2RdfJ2WDW2Dsvf3LuCYm6jJOZKW1oc4dmlnj+JPYkv0W1K6Pz+T5ikq0AdtwzA4Wx0/tK4MrDTlZ/xFpmMGNIOGFYVgTg= Received: by 10.70.32.10 with SMTP id f10mr8449909wxf.1186334649257; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28sm6140273ele.2007.08.05.10.24.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.home.rakhesh.com (asterix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.23]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC7111420; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:23:47 +0400 (GST) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:21:52 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@asterix.home.rakhesh.com To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <46B5FE07.5080004@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20070805211059.P77032@asterix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <499c70c0707260136hea82f27s87dfa53432d0e409@mail.gmail.com> <94c6ae7ae570814564d364bfe9aad8ea@szalbot.homedns.org> <20070801030504.GA3773@bifrost.agrussell.com> <426DE541-FB51-44FF-B7F4-B34E0F9A7861@goldmark.org> <46B0DB5F.4020401@FreeBSD.org> <60BEAECB-C72A-46B3-90D7-F3AB8778605D@goldmark.org> <46B0F17C.2010506@FreeBSD.org> <20070805091932.B67919@scrat.home.rakhesh.com> <46B5FE07.5080004@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:30:28 +0000 Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Rakhesh Sasidharan , "A.G. Russell IV" , Jeffrey Goldberg , Freebsd questions Subject: Re: Waiting for BIND security announcement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:24:10 -0000 > >> This has probably been asked before, > > Heh, no, never. :) That's a relief. :) >> but if BIND is available in ports then why is it also available in >> contrib? > > Couple of reasons, of relatively equal importance depending on who you > speak to. BSD systems have "always" (I haven't verified this, but > people who should know have told me) shipped with dns stuff on board, > so there is resistance to the idea of stripping it out for that > reason. The other thing that is a concern to a lot of people is that > BIND is more than just named. Take a look at the WITHOUT_BIND* knobs > in src.conf(1) in 7-current or make.conf(1) in 6-stable to get an idea > of how things break down. I have a standing offer to either remove > BIND from the base, or flip the defaults for some of those knobs to > "NO" if the community wants it that way. Makes sense. So to summarize the answer to my question: * BIND is there in contrib coz lot of stuff depends on it and so its best left there. * BIND is also there in ports coz the one there offers you a lot more build time options, is newer, gets updates faster, and is also easier to get up and running with out of the box (in some situations atleast). Neat! :) >> Are there any benefits in choosing the one in contrib over the one >> in ports? > > Advantage to the one in contrib is that it's right there, and the new > default named.conf (and associated files) makes it possible to start > up a local resolver "out of the box." > > If you want a greater degree of freedom in build-time configuration, > or you want a version other than what is in your base (for example, > you want to use 9.4.x but you're on a 6-stable machine), then you can > use the ports. The ports also have an option to overwrite the files in > the base if that makes things easier in your environment. > > hth, Thanks! Rakhesh > > Doug > > -- > > This .signature sanitized for your protection > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 17:45:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38B816A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjudd2k@yahoo.com) Received: from web62413.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62413.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3AFD13C428 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjudd2k@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90209 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2007 17:45:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UVKvw+y3kIzUkD2Qig4sZxUZTwoYHetQV34UHzkzmoA8uERmy9mtkoJuvepw4JqMb6velpCaC3ogxkCDoEvNPqgAS/hpjTwLJTN047xEETgD+FsAQ3RoFunYnzZmgGce2i3cnspvOcCn8CR4jigIdyOnVI/nu4+7FMPKo/VNFN4=; X-YMail-OSG: SfnuuwMVM1n08Q.8ppoyETVyVf1nN2FMy1NdVqnxTrRyVJw9P6vqmr9535yIj9LRZ7gEytpwIZxPOG37QySvVdjr6fXj4JUA.DmUCsbmp2ZgvGB2x8E4rq97.KvBLMlO Received: from [68.35.175.118] by web62413.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:45:05 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Judd To: Damian Vicino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <573460.89378.qm@web62413.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Using Smart-Fail HD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:45:07 -0000 I'm on the digest list. I have copied/pasted the OP ---------------------QUOTE: Message: 17 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:00:07 -0300 From: Damian Vicino Subject: Using Smart-Fail HD To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <46B4E8D7.4060700@dc.uba.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello. Im Having FBSD running in a P3 with 4.3GB HD, and got 2 extra 80GBs HD that fails the SMART check. I did a full HD scan with tools provided by the HD's developers and over 90% of the HDs are safe. I want to use those HD for home of the lowrank users, and keep the critical data in the 4GB HD. Do u know any pretty safe FS for this kind of unstable hardware, i was thinking in something with software RAID maybe. Thanks for any suggestion, im pretty new on FBSD world (and english-speak world too). BTW, if the solution can be applied to DFBSD, it will be very nice, becouse i got another machine P1 runnning it, and all HDs i can get for it use to have a lot of failures already. See ya Sdäv --------------------/QUOTE Damian, You might find Steve Gibson's SpinRite a really useful purchase. It recovers most drives it works on, and a single purchase can be use on any of your personal drives. It is it's own bootable floppy or CD, and works very well. http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm I recommend using that now, and then tread lightly until you feel confident about the drives again. If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door. "I can" is a way of life. More and Bigger is not always Better. The road to success is always uphill. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:31:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA90616A41A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3484213C442 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70343.home.otenet.gr [87.203.156.21]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l75IUsvN027285; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:30:55 +0300 Message-ID: <46B6175E.8010408@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:30:54 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:31:01 -0000 fbsd2 wrote: > I tried what people said to do and I get different values that do not match > what the bios say. > Why is there so large a difference? > How can this be explained??? > > # /root >sysctl -a | grep -i memory > Virtual Memory: (Total: 2871K, Active 91444K) > Real Memory: (Total: 37324K Active 12756K) > Shared Virtual Memory: (Total: 15088K Active: 9864K) > Shared Real Memory: (Total: 3284K Active: 2700K) > Free Memory Pages: 20896K > > > # /root >dmesg | grep -i memory > real memory = 67108864 (64 MB) > avail memory = 56094720 (53 MB) > > bios show > base 640k > extended 64512k > cache 384k > total = 65536k > > > Though the answer from sysctl maybe somewhat confusing, the answer from dmesg is exactly what you get from BIOS: 64MB = 65536 K just like your bios reports. As for the base / extended /cache distinction in the BIOS, these belong to the ancient "DOS" era and have nothing to do with modern operating systems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:12:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A9F16A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1694113C480 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75JCAxu032919; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:12:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l75JC9oY032916; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:12:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:12:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Manolis Kiagias In-Reply-To: <46B6175E.8010408@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <20070805211139.P32915@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46B6175E.8010408@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:12:33 -0000 >> # /root >dmesg | grep -i memory >> real memory = 67108864 (64 MB) >> avail memory = 56094720 (53 MB) this is true - 64MB From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:19:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AB716A418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBFA13C461 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75JJ86o032991 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:19:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l75JJ8u4032988 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:19:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:19:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070805211444.N32915@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: using mouse wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:19:15 -0000 i just bought some cheap PS/2 mouse (A4 tech) 3-keys while middle key is a wheel that can be both pressed and rolled no rolling works both in text and xorg moused_enable="YES" in rc.conf and Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection in xorg.conf do i have to add something? my friend uses USB mouse and scrolling works as is. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:42:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD6616A421 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A15213C45B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AE751910 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:42:48 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070805204248.4479676e@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20070805211444.N32915@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070805211444.N32915@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: using mouse wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:42:53 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:19:08 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i just bought some cheap PS/2 mouse (A4 tech) 3-keys while middle key > is a wheel that can be both pressed and rolled > > > no rolling works both in text and xorg > > moused_enable="YES" > > in rc.conf > > and > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" > EndSection > > > in xorg.conf > > do i have to add something? Try running xev. Put the pointer over the test window, and rotate the wheel backwards and forward to see its button numbers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 20:25:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D84616A494 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vss@73rus.com) Received: from tail.lionet.info (tail.lionet.info [216.218.215.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C03B13C46A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vss@73rus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (adsl-68-124-190-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.124.190.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by tail.lionet.info (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l75JvAK2026676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vss@73rus.com) Message-ID: <46B62B95.1080309@73rus.com> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:57:09 -0700 From: Vlad Skvortsov User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (tail.lionet.info [216.218.215.226]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Subject: encore pci controller card usb 2.0 showing up as usb revision 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:25:11 -0000 Hi! I'm a bit puzzled by the behavior of my FreeBSD 6-STABLE: 11:47 [root@bear] ~ # uname -a FreeBSD bear.escuela 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #2: Sun Jul 8 22:21:10 PDT 2007 root@tiger.escuela:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEAR i386 I've installed a USB2.0 PCI card by Encore (http://www.encore-usa.com/product_item.php?region=us&bid=2&pgid=18&pid=40) but it shows up as "USB revision 1.0": uhci1: port 0x1020-0x103f irq 10 at device 16.0 on p ci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0x1060-0x107f irq 11 at device 16.1 on p ci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered The data transfer rate from the attached drive also seems to be USB1-ish: 11:54 [root@bear] ~ # !513 dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=10 10+0 records in 10+0 records out 10485760 bytes transferred in 10.137750 secs (1034328 bytes/sec) Any clues? -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 21:49:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B978816A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (Mail-03.name-services.com [64.74.223.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A764513C457 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from laptop ([76.190.247.202]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:52:05 -0700 From: "fbsd2" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "Manolis Kiagias" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:49:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070805211139.P32915@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2007 21:52:05.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCF89800:01C7D7AA] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:49:18 -0000 What is the meaning of the 67108864 number? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 3:12 PM To: Manolis Kiagias Cc: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory >> # /root >dmesg | grep -i memory >> real memory = 67108864 (64 MB) >> avail memory = 56094720 (53 MB) this is true - 64MB _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 21:51:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF9816A419 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C899513C465 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so2347277pye for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:51:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BT+4EoUErEYr485fv6wiapkWCtngvdXXe0JANpcBfr2GmCVXBlgmXdvBoktVfWgr6tpi3KZ/C/oOLjx4NeDhzxRFciCPneah4RycZUptHQFbPQn6AjHeRzSKb+3hvjk5SdxcESSBwKK02klw3NTxgd+O/CnWqBjVTw+45Bwtg9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O9cL1jiRxzOUmTkhcFbs/GANtILNYklwb0mdC9R87wIKrOHCiqkv5M0l5d8Hi47sacZ0GQK7QWRiCmXLKU4i07zkWIQCBIQQ5V2Cwx2etHu7TzQykZeWemse+Jf0QvDLxI7GF2u0fWyh5tv6Bz5MrWYpFkMuMw95J8T0yODHMTA= Received: by 10.65.51.4 with SMTP id d4mr7814381qbk.1186350678839; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708051451t3a9cbe2fs2c20f99fd76b0476@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:51:18 -0500 From: Novembre To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3b47caa90708041410s30f87f52g4d928c928e5f0eb0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b47caa90708041410s30f87f52g4d928c928e5f0eb0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: keyboard layout change in Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:51:20 -0000 On 8/4/07, Novembre wrote: > > I have Xfce 4.4.1_1 on top of X.org 7.2 running on FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASEinstalled on a Pentium III-S > 1.4GHz machine. > The problem is that the ALT keys are not working when using XkbLayout > option in xorg.conf when I put the following lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > > Option "XkbLayout" "us,ir" > Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" > > With these options, single ALT keys do not work, and I mean not just in > changing the keyboard layout, but anywhere! For example, ALT-TAB which > should change the current window does not work anymore. I have found out > that in this case, i.e. using XkbLayout option, if I press both ALT keys > at the same time, it'll do work! So, LEFTALT-RIGHTALT-TAB changes the > current window, and LEFTALT-RIGHTALT-SHIFT changes the layout. I have no > idea why, and I see no reason why, since I told X that the layout needs to > be changed when I press only ONE of the ALT keys (and I have not mentioned > which one, so both should be okay) and the SHIFT key. It's very troublesome, > and I don't want to hold down both ALTs instead of just one of them. The > same setting used to work when I was using Xfce 4.2 on top of X.org 6.9. > Any ideas? > > Thanks a lot > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 23:52:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1AF16A417 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EAD13C46A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from trapper.homedns.org (213.114.40.248) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 46AF6456001BB6F4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:31:24 +0200 Received: from trapper.homedns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trapper.homedns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75NVNqt001112 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:31:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Message-ID: <46B65DCB.8020307@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:31:23 +0200 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: USB mouse issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:52:00 -0000 Hi, My new USB mouse (a Logitech G5) works fine both in the console (with moused) and under X (both with moused and directly)... For the most part... However, once in a while it just dies (the lights indicating the DPI setting on top and the lights underneath it goes off and it stops responding). Since, according to the ehci man page, the USB 2.0 driver is quite buggy, I tried disabling it, but the problem didn't go away. I've also tried connecting the mouse to different USB connectors without luck. Every time it happens I get two lines in the /var/log/messages file: Aug 6 01:03:50 trapper kernel: usb1: host controller process error Aug 6 01:03:50 trapper kernel: usb1: host controller halted Now for my questions: Does anyone have any suggestions as to what causes this? The mouse itself? The USB host controllers (then all four controllers on my motherboard are faulty)? Buggy USB driver (if that is the case, both ehci and uhci are buggy)? Any other possibilities, that I haven't considered? I'd apprectiate any help, since this annoys the hell out of me. -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 00:29:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1715316A420 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from straycat.dhs.org (c-24-63-86-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.86.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBD913C46C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from [192.168.1.127] (bofh.straycat.dhs.org [192.168.1.127]) by straycat.dhs.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l760BaRY013322; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom McLaughlin To: Jeffrey Goldberg In-Reply-To: <0A638D13-F341-4645-B750-33B08730EDA7@goldmark.org> References: <0A638D13-F341-4645-B750-33B08730EDA7@goldmark.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:36:28 -0400 Message-Id: <1186342588.5848.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: stty: unknown mode: doofus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:29:05 -0000 On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 08:47 -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > During an installation, ports/lang/python24, I did a > > sudo make install > > And was prompted for my password. I entered it (probably miskeyed it > as I was leaning over the keyboard from a strange position and got a > response back of > > stty: unknown mode: doofus ins_csops.h:28 "stty: unknown mode: doofus", My first reaction was, "$#%@, what did I miss now?" Then I did some hunting to find that was an actual insult and not an error from sudo. :) tom -- | tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org tmclaugh at FreeBSD.org | | FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 00:42:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10FC16A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E48B13C48A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from philip.office.rws (74.93.213.162) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.730.1; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:42:53 -0700 Message-ID: <46B66E8C.3080506@riderway.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:42:52 -0400 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Rideray Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "fbsd2@a1poweruser.com" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Manolis Kiagias Subject: Re: How to know the size of RAM memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:42:54 -0000 fbsd2 wrote: > What is the meaning of the 67108864 number? Its 64MB in bytes. [08:42 PM](ttyp0)pgollucci@philip.office.rws j0 h2 c502 /usr/home/pgollucci> bc 64*1024 65536 .*1024 67108864 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 01:42:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A0C16A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DA213C442 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:42:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from philip.office.rws (74.93.213.162) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.730.1; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: <46B67C90.3010603@riderway.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:42:40 -0400 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Rideray Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Unbelievably bad RAID-1 performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:42:51 -0000 while writing to the disk gstat screenshot http://people.apache.org/~pgollucci/disks.png If I move the location to '/' (da0s1a) which AFAIK is at the center of disk(smaller thus faster rpms) should be faster, performance is at least 100times worse which is the opposite I would expect. Is there anything I can do to help this out. I'm likely going to chuck the raid card in the trash and just use one disk and reply on backups which I already have going. Dell PowerEdge 1435SC Dual Intel Core2 Duo 2.4GHz 4GB RAM RAID-1 Config with 2 disks@240GB each FreeBSD 6.2-release-p5 amd64 custom kernel. mpt0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xeffec000-0xeffeffff,0xefff0000-0xefffffff irq 35 at device 8.0 on pci7 mpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED] mpt0: MPI Version=1.5.12.0 mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x16 mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x16 (ACK not required). mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x12 mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x12 (ACK not required). mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x12 mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x12 (ACK not required). mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x16 mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x16 (ACK not required). mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0xb mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0xb (ACK not required). da0 at mpt0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device da0: 300.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 237464MB (486326272 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 30272C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 02:22:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E507116A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6531F13C442 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1539041fka for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ClP2c0LPLv2UTbpO75WV4Yg4shwsO2PdCT712ugqMo/kWH3EvkMf2xqgP9FU2TFRBBaVBSB/3puhwKRsYheegEdGsInQm+wefv8kg4JvR/8vGb+Zj8xmyY0yTa9mcsEi7afOLLm0YsUaKV6J8GgVcMx//h+2YNV51ohIiu/Qa4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TO2GSIHC3GXHUEpgW3TJnWa4FyaRY3guj6INUHHN8Hen121//OO67SJwJBuYqjSKD0YCAHh4qHfOGWyMpm1i0JaOBrBDX3ERRwp0F+Ogv2eOeqSf2qrA/4hvkhOM6QMgAeKBYDalFjvprfm41XPR/dUjr11MnBuiQrCVyg2m7t0= Received: by 10.82.151.14 with SMTP id y14mr5065675bud.1186365327286; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.170.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:55:27 -0700 From: "Jeff Mohler" To: "Philip M. Gollucci" In-Reply-To: <46B67C90.3010603@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46B67C90.3010603@riderway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Unbelievably bad RAID-1 performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:22:30 -0000 The EDGE is faster byte wise, not the center. The distance between traditional or perpendicular sectors remains the same, just more of them around the drive at a given distance from the center, than at the center. So..because RPM remains the same at all distances from the center, you will read more sectors per second at the edge, than center. Although..that wont make a 100x difference in speed..I wouldnt think. On 8/5/07, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > > while writing to the disk > > gstat screenshot > http://people.apache.org/~pgollucci/disks.png > > If I move the location to '/' (da0s1a) which AFAIK is at the center of > disk(smaller thus faster rpms) should be faster, performance is at least > 100times worse which is the opposite I would expect. > > Is there anything I can do to help this out. I'm likely going to chuck > the raid card in the trash and just use one disk and reply on backups > which I already have going. > > Dell PowerEdge 1435SC > Dual Intel Core2 Duo 2.4GHz 4GB RAM > RAID-1 Config with 2 disks@240GB each > FreeBSD 6.2-release-p5 amd64 custom kernel. > > mpt0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem > 0xeffec000-0xeffeffff,0xefff0000-0xefffffff irq 35 at device 8.0 on pci7 > mpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > mpt0: MPI Version=1.5.12.0 > mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x16 > mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x16 (ACK not required). > mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x12 > mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x12 (ACK not required). > mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x12 > mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x12 (ACK not required). > mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x16 > mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x16 (ACK not required). > mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0xb > mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0xb (ACK not required). > > da0 at mpt0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device > da0: 300.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled > da0: 237464MB (486326272 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 30272C) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 > Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com > 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF > > Work like you don't need the money, > love like you'll never get hurt, > and dance like nobody's watching. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 02:56:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04D116A41B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F1A13C458 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: by Dr.Web (R) daemon for FreeBSD, v4.33 at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [172.16.138.125] (account sudakovva@sibptus.tomsk.ru HELO admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 8362292 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:56:15 +0700 Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l762uFmk021416 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:56:15 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru using -f Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:56:15 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: User Questions Message-ID: <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://vas.tomsk.ru/vas.asc Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:56:20 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > What is it? Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the problem? Here is another example: [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape expected next file 267, got 4 expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 03:10:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E337516A480 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 03:10:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24C513C480 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 03:10:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l763AlQU061910 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l763AgqC025647 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:10:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l763AgsF025646 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:10:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200708060310.l763AgsF025646@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:10:53 -0000 Hi, I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing that CF chip. Thanks, Tuc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 04:23:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62A716A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 04:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E9513C442 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 04:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292191A4D7C; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D87FAC1D2; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:23:30 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-ID: <20070806042330.GA30245@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <200708060310.l763AgsF025646@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708060310.l763AgsF025646@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:23:31 -0000 On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > Hi, > > I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update > the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to > actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? > With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a > killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing > that CF chip. Please show us how you came to this conclusion. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 04:29:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706F716A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 04:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from eunet.yu (smtpclu-1.eunet.yu [194.247.192.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F201713C46B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 04:29:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-213-46.eunet.yu [213.198.213.46]) by eunet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l764Toou007190; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:29:51 +0200 Message-Id: <200708060429.l764Toou007190@eunet.yu> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:24:57 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: David Banning In-Reply-To: <20070805164403.GA88838@skytracker.ca> References: <20070805164403.GA88838@skytracker.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apsfilter setup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:29:55 -0000 (I apologise if this pops-up twice but it seems that sending to questions@ -- and not to freebsd-questions@ -- doesn't work for me.) On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:44:04 -0400 David Banning wrote: > I am setting up a new installation of apsfilter to a network printer. > There a re the install options I have set during apsfilter setup. >=20 >=20 > (D) Available Device Drivers in your gs binary > (R) Read Ghostscript driver documentation > (devices.txt) >=20 > (1) Printer Driver Selection [ljet4] > (2) Interface Setup [samba] > (3) Paper Format [letter] > (4) Printing Quality [high] > (5) Color Mode [gray] > (6) Print Resolution in "dots per inch" [600x600] > (7) Default Printing Method [auto] >=20 >=20 > I go to print a test page, and it's successful; >=20 > Printing Test page using: > gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER > -r600x600 -sDEVICE=3Dljet4 -sPAPERSIZE=3Dletter > -sOutputFile=3D'/tmp/apsfilter88754/test_page.aps' setup/test.ps >=20 > Ok to print testpage? [y/n] y >=20 >=20 > I creates and entry in /etc/printcap; >=20 > lp|ljet4;r=3D600x600;q=3Dhigh;c=3Dgray;p=3Dletter;m=3Dauto:\ > :lp=3D/dev/null:\ > :if=3D/usr/local/etc/apsfilter/basedir/bin/apsfilter:\ > :sd=3D/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ > :lf=3D/var/spool/lpd/lp/log:\ > :af=3D/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: >=20 > But it will not print with the command >=20 > ls | lp >=20 > or =20 >=20 > ls | lpr >=20 > or=20 >=20 > lp -dlp >=20 >=20 > I installed samba without CUPS printing support. >=20 > # lpc stat all > lp: > queuing is enabled > printing is enabled > no entries in spool area > printer idle >=20 >=20 >=20 > Any ideas how I can bridge from a working test to a non-working=20 > print setup? Hello David, You should let apsfilter SETUP program to add the entry in printcap (you wrote that you added it yourself). It should be marked with something like: # APS1_BEGIN:printer1 # - don't delete start label for apsfilter printer1 # - no other printer defines between BEGIN and END LABEL [...] # APS1_END - don't delete this Apart from this, your printcap details seem good. However, the problem you described could be related to permissions. You run SETUP program as root, but you try to print as an ordinary user, I guess. Please check permissions/ownership of samba-client configuration file under /usr/local/etc/apsfilter/. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 04:49:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024F316A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 04:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B813C442 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 04:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l764ncho063615; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l764nWRB031998; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:49:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l764nVxW031996; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:49:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200708060449.l764nVxW031996@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: kris@obsecurity.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:49:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20070806042330.GA30245@rot26.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:49:44 -0000 > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update > > the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to > > actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? > > With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a > > killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing > > that CF chip. > > Please show us how you came to this conclusion. > > Kris > "script" output from a recent update : ---> Upgrade of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:00 -0400 ---> Upgrading 'bsdstats-5.3' to 'bsdstats-5.3_4' (sysutils/bsdstats) OK? [yes] ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:09 -0400 ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats' ===> Cleaning for bsdstats-5.3_4 ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> Extracting for bsdstats-5.3_4 ===> Patching for bsdstats-5.3_4 ===> Configuring for bsdstats-5.3_4 ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats ended at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:10 -0400 (cons umed 00:00:00) ---> Updating dependency info ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/ImageMagick-6.3.2.0/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/ORBit-0.5.17_3/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/ORBit2-2.14.3/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/OpenEXR-1.2.2_1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/OpenSP-1.5.2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/Xaw3d-1.5E_1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/aalib-1.4.r5_2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/acroread7-7.0.8,1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/acroreadwrapper-0.0.20060221/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying 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Modifying /var/db/pkg/iso8879-1986_2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/ispell-3.2.06_18/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/jackit-0.102.20/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/jade-1.2.1_9/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/jasper-1.900.1_5/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/javavmwrapper-2.1_3/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/jbigkit-1.6/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/john-1.7.2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/jpeg-6b_4/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/kbproto-1.0.3/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/kdehier-1.0_11/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/kermit-8.0.211/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/kexis-0.2.2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/kismet-200701.r1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/ksh93-20070628/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/lame-3.97_1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/laudio-0.4/+CONTENTS (etc) ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xpdf-3.01_3/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xproto-7.0.10/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xterm-222/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xtrans-1.0.3/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xv-3.10a_6/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xvattr-1.3_2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xvid-1.1.3,1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/xword-0.07_2/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/yasm-0.6.1/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/zh-chm2html-0.1a/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/zip-2.32/+CONTENTS ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/zsh-4.3.2_1/+CONTENTS ---> Uninstallation of bsdstats-5.3 started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:29 -0400 ---> Fixing up dependencies before creating a package ---> Backing up the old version ---> Uninstalling the old version ---> Deinstalling 'bsdstats-5.3' pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/usr/local/etc/periodic' pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is incorrectly specified?) [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 625 packages found ( -1 +0) (...) done] ---> Uninstallation of bsdstats-5.3 ended at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:47 -0400 ( consumed 00:00:18) ---> Installation of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:47 -0 400 ---> Installing the new version via the port ===> Installing for bsdstats-5.3_4 ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if sysutils/bsdstats already installed (etc) Tuc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:22:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D007316A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:22:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: from mail.mraentertainment.com (243-145-222-203.static.techex.net.au [203.222.145.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E362713C480 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: (qmail 60901 invoked by uid 89); 6 Aug 2007 05:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.187?) (hburton@mraentertainment.com@192.168.1.187) by mickey.mraentertainment with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2007 05:22:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: From: Hartleigh Burton Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:21:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:22:09 -0000 Hi Everyone, I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE amd64 on a new boxen... and just realized that I am missing just a 'little' bit of storage space ;) The raid array is as follows: 3ware 9650SE-8LPML Controller 1 x 76GB OS RAID 1 Array (2 x 80GB drives) 1 x 3.4TB DATA RAID 5 Array (6 x 700GB drives) In order for FreeBSD to even see the controller, I had to download the 3rd party drivers from the 3ware site and follow their instructions. The installation went very smoothly, I could clearly see the 1 x 76GB array & the 3.4TB array, which I successfully partitioned and labeled in the FreeBSD setup. I was required to recompile the kernel post installation so that FreeBSD would continue to see the array. There seemed to be no issues during any of the installation/post installation compile. However now it appears that I am missing a fair bit of space... or it is not reading correctly, I don't know exactly. This is the first time I have worked with volumes this large, certainly in FreeBSD. Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 496M 62M 394M 14% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/da1s1d 1.4T 42G 1.2T 3% /db /dev/da0s1e 496M 16K 456M 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1f 59G 1.8G 52G 3% /usr /dev/da0s1d 4.8G 115M 4.3G 3% /var devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 507630 63730 403290 14% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/da1s1d 1466903074 43775300 1305775530 3% /db /dev/da0s1e 507630 16 467004 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1f 61443272 1846112 54681700 3% /usr /dev/da0s1d 5060654 117282 4538520 3% /var devfs 1 1 0 100% /var/named/dev As you can see /db is reading as 1.2T, whereas during the installation partition/label process this was at ~ 3.4T, which is what I am expecting. If anyone could provide some input as to where the rest has gone that would be greatly appreciated! Regards, Hartleigh Burton. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:22:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE0716A4EF for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7894E13C465 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCD91A4D7C; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AC952C1D2; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:22:13 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-ID: <20070806052213.GA30845@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070806042330.GA30245@rot26.obsecurity.org> <200708060449.l764nVxW031996@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708060449.l764nVxW031996@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:22:14 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update > > > the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to > > > actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? > > > With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a > > > killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing > > > that CF chip. > > > > Please show us how you came to this conclusion. > > > > Kris > > > "script" output from a recent update : > > ---> Upgrade of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:00 -0400 > ---> Upgrading 'bsdstats-5.3' to 'bsdstats-5.3_4' (sysutils/bsdstats) > OK? [yes] > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:09 -0400 > ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats' > ===> Cleaning for bsdstats-5.3_4 > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> Extracting for bsdstats-5.3_4 > ===> Patching for bsdstats-5.3_4 > ===> Configuring for bsdstats-5.3_4 > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats ended at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:10 -0400 (cons > umed 00:00:00) > ---> Updating dependency info > ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS Is it actually writing to these files, or just examining them to see whether they need to be updated? Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:23:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FD816A474 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay005.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay005.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3594113C4CA for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from 135.195-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.195.135]) by mailrelay005.isp.belgacom.be with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2007 07:23:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:21:35 +0200 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806052135.GA60888@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: boot problem after custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:23:11 -0000 Hello, After making some changes to my kernel and rebuilding (traditional way), my system does not boot anymore. I tried to boot from the GENERIC kernel following the instructions in the handbook. First 'unload kernel' followed by 'boot /boot/kernel.GENERIC/kernel', but it mentions that it cannot find the kernel. I'm trying to boot from the USB drive. If I go to the command prompt and verify currdev and loaddev are set to disk1s1a, which I believe is correct. When I boot the 'new' kernel, I get the mountroot prompt which asks me for a manual root filesystem. What can I do to boot my GENERIC kernel so I can rebuild from it and my system will boot normal again. Thanks, Alain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:26:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A110416A420 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8311E13C49D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from home.p6m7g8.net (68.55.4.133) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.730.1; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:26:20 -0700 Message-ID: <46B6B13D.2060108@riderway.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:27:25 -0400 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alain G. Fabry" References: <20070806052135.GA60888@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20070806052135.GA60888@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: boot problem after custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:26:21 -0000 Alain G. Fabry wrote: > First 'unload kernel' followed by 'boot /boot/kernel.GENERIC/kernel', but it mentions > that it cannot find the kernel. try, at loader prompt: unload kernel load /boot/kernel.old/kernel boot -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:27:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE66F16A41A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37C713C442 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from home.p6m7g8.net (68.55.4.133) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.730.1; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:27:11 -0700 Message-ID: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:28:17 -0400 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hartleigh Burton References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:27:12 -0000 Hartleigh Burton wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE amd64 on a new boxen... and just > realized that I am missing just a 'little' bit of storage space ;) sudo sysinstall -- does it still read as 3.4 TB ? aka a df bug ? not likely -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:28:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D375316A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:28:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCBC13C459 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:28:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so1043413wxd for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=SgMHCTEmjWdyQ12BkkUuGYtYk77Vxu78Cxq+F9JVYKpcg6jJ2plim1RFJ/9ClfdjU894mfLmdRdfR9uD9tRupLyREUeMeWPahBMzXBXxrZKXDD/ZSqbj2FhXcKqh8OZLTnTk1xB0RWBqqa1/VJFgYTkPdsyu8zF8lrxJxCsRddk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=DtZrZZvwkyC4EGDJR6WPS9EzFOUtY+tGMYLG+YuM8hUoDbev10aMpJ/Sout3sKNnKAGMRfbPsYTvDZrQ3Z+f53A8i76aYLnr6DzUMN0IDu3ERxHi+I9VEWPKQ4hPT5Uzh5aa6frq5UrkWC9dFZR5/nxt5gbI604592eBKoV18uU= Received: by 10.70.80.6 with SMTP id d6mr9182590wxb.1186378122202; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v26sm6707223ele.2007.08.05.22.28.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FF811420; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:59:57 +0400 (GST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:59:36 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: "Arend P. van der Veen" In-Reply-To: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> Message-ID: <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb and cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:28:43 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: > The approach that I had been using was: > > /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 0 /usr/sup/supfile > /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Uu > > This had worked great until the emacs22 update. Now portsdb crashes due to > the emacs entry in /etc/make.conf. However, I see very little chatter on the > lists about this. I have started to wonder if the bulk of the community may > be updating their ports differently. Upon some limited research I found that > I could use: > > /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 0 /usr/sup/supfile > /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Fu > > This work fine for me. I can then use tools such as pkg_version, pkg_delete, > portinstall and portupgrade without any problems. > > My open ended question is what does the rest of the community do to update > their ports collection? > I don't run portsdb at all. :) What I figured from the portsdb manpages is that if you don't run it manually then it gets run upon using one of the portupgrade tools. I don't mind the 30s or so delay that causes and so I don't run portsdb manually. During my first few days with FreeBSD, however, I used to run ''portsdb -Fu''. My understanding is that that would fetch the INDEX-6 and update INDEX-6.db (since I am on FreeBSD 6.x) but I don't see why I should do this coz the INDEX files are updated when I update the ports tree anyways! (If I have understood this incorrectly, someone please correct me). I tried ''portsdb -Uu'' just once. To see what it does. Took a long time and so I never tried it again. From the manpage I understand that it creates/ updates the INDEX files by running the ''make index'' command, but the reasoning behind that didn't make sense to me ... So that's my story. 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( [58.174.74.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f28sm11070025rvb.2007.08.05.22.29.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B6B1AA.9010905@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:29:14 +1000 From: Paul Fraser User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alain G. Fabry" References: <20070806052135.GA60888@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20070806052135.GA60888@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot problem after custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:29:35 -0000 Alain G. Fabry wrote: > First 'unload kernel' followed by 'boot /boot/kernel.GENERIC/kernel', but it mentions > that it cannot find the kernel. > > What can I do to boot my GENERIC kernel so I can rebuild from it and my system will boot > normal again. Hi Alain, Try replacing 'kernel.GENERIC' with 'kernel.old' in your example. If you don't remember actually making a copy of your kernel and naming it kernel.GENERIC, you'll be more likely to succeed with kernel.old. -- Regards, Paul Fraser // Independent Technical Consultant // Ph: +61 405 341 905 // furyc0de.net This correspondence and any related attachments are confidential. Distribution, reproduction, or release (public domain or otherwise) without the author's prior written consent is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Failure to distribute any of the aforementioned without this footer (intact and unmodified) is also STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Failure to abide by these terms and conditions can result in legal action. 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PGP KeyID: 0x64E635B1 Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu:11371 Key fingerprint: CDA3 0797 68B9 0EC1 D4D3 A7B9 D7D7 4924 64E6 35B1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 05:45:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D9E16A420 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: from mail.mraentertainment.com (243-145-222-203.static.techex.net.au [203.222.145.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A38C13C461 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: (qmail 63385 invoked by uid 89); 6 Aug 2007 05:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.187?) (hburton@mraentertainment.com@192.168.1.187) by mickey.mraentertainment with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2007 05:45:30 -0000 In-Reply-To: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> References: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <1918FC18-18E2-4163-A78A-6EA4A807BCE5@mraentertainment.com> From: Hartleigh Burton Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:45:09 +1000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" Subject: Re: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:45:32 -0000 OK, in the FDISK Partition Editor da1 reads as 3576219MB. So that looks to be ok and around what I am expecting. In the Disklabel Editor da1s1 has 0MB free, and da1s1d is the only da1s1 label with a size of 1444GB. Regards, Hartleigh Burton On 06/08/2007, at 3:28 PM, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > sudo sysinstall -- does it still read as 3.4 TB ? aka a df bug ? > not likely From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:01:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350AA16A41B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BF613C469 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7661vho064782; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7661p7A054337; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:01:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l7661pfS054336; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:01:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200708060601.l7661pfS054336@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: kris@obsecurity.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:01:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20070806052213.GA30845@rot26.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:01:58 -0000 > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update > > > > the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to > > > > actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? > > > > With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a > > > > killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing > > > > that CF chip. > > > > > > Please show us how you came to this conclusion. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > "script" output from a recent update : > > > > ---> Upgrade of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:00 -0400 > > ---> Upgrading 'bsdstats-5.3' to 'bsdstats-5.3_4' (sysutils/bsdstats) > > OK? [yes] > > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:09 -0400 > > ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats' > > ===> Cleaning for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > > ===> Extracting for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > ===> Patching for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > ===> Configuring for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats ended at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:10 -0400 (cons > > umed 00:00:00) > > ---> Updating dependency info > > ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS > > Is it actually writing to these files, or just examining them to see > whether they need to be updated? > > Kris > I was truthfully only going by what I believed it was saying, that it was really modifying them. I upgraded fetchyahoo tonite after I emailed this, and if I do an "ls -lt" in /var/db/pkg I see : -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 15891456 Aug 6 00:59 pkgdb.db drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 fetchyahoo-2.10.9 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Compress-Zlib-2.005 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Crypt-SSLeay-0.56 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.005 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-libwww-5.805 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 openssl-0.9.8e_1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Authen-SASL-2.10_1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-MD5-2.36 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-MIME-Tools-5.420_1,2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Net-1.21,1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.005 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-GSSAPI-0.24 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-HTML-Parser-3.56 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-HTML-Tagset-3.10 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.005 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Convert-BinHex-1.119 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-1.15 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-stringy-2.110 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-MIME-Base64-3.07 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Mail-Tools-1.74 (etc) drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 bsdstats-5.3_4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 Hermes-1.3.3_2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ImageMagick-6.3.3.5_1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit-0.5.17_3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit2-2.14.8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 OpenEXR-1.4.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 OpenSP-1.5.2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 Xaw3d-1.5E_2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 aalib-1.4.r5_3 I thought the timestamp of a directory only changes if a file was added or modified in the directory. If I do the "ls -lt */\+CONTENTS", I see : -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2386 Aug 6 00:59 fetchyahoo-2.10.9/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1113 Aug 6 00:59 xset-1.0.2/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 976 Aug 6 00:59 xsetmode-1.0.0/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1003 Aug 6 00:59 xsetpointer-1.0.0/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1204 Aug 6 00:59 xsetroot-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1597 Aug 6 00:59 xsm-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1149 Aug 6 00:59 xstdcmap-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5124 Aug 6 00:59 xterm-228/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1157 Aug 6 00:59 xtrans-1.0.3/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3097 Aug 6 00:59 xtrap-1.0.2/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6643 Aug 6 00:59 xv-3.10a_7/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 4629 Aug 6 00:59 xvattr-1.3_3/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 414 Aug 6 00:59 xvid-1.1.3,1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1689 Aug 6 00:59 xvidtune-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1017 Aug 6 00:59 xvinfo-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1104 Aug 6 00:59 xwd-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1149 Aug 6 00:59 xwininfo-1.0.2/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5062 Aug 6 00:59 xword-0.07_3/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 777 Aug 6 00:59 xwud-1.0.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3627 Aug 6 00:59 yasm-0.6.1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 349 Aug 6 00:59 zh-chm2html-0.1a/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 441 Aug 6 00:59 zip-2.32/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 78239 Aug 6 00:59 zsh-4.3.4_1/+CONTENTS (etc) -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 301 Aug 6 00:58 bsdstats-5.3_4/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2156 Aug 6 00:58 Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 64643 Aug 6 00:58 ImageMagick-6.3.3.5_1/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8741 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit-0.5.17_3/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 7005 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit2-2.14.8/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10787 Aug 6 00:58 OpenEXR-1.4.0/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18170 Aug 6 00:58 OpenSP-1.5.2/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10272 Aug 6 00:58 Xaw3d-1.5E_2/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20576 Aug 6 00:58 aalib-1.4.r5_3/+CONTENTS So I'm still going with the file being modified. I guess even if its opening the file, reading it, and then writing it back out unmodified, its still disk operations that the CF especially can't handle. (Then again, the laptop isn't doing too well. Aug 6 01:45:53 himinbjorg smartd[727]: Device: /dev/ad0, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Aug 6 01:45:53 himinbjorg smartd[727]: Device: /dev/ad0, 3 Offline uncorrectable sectors (Thats only started too since it was pounded during Xorg upgrade) I still really would only like it to touch the files it REALLY needs to. Thanks, Tuc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:07:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B1416A41B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EEF13C461 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1573950fka for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U9iHDzrLm6eu7xeTkSwA8gyrkOyUh4hItY27eUQ3LfPotfAinOUPCROM0aLnOv+VCu3CfICISF560sEJZoimc8dsaUS8O4WMQde10YXGlpI2aOkjk/2md2fo1IZZK/V2BoSW+LsrcHLdC0kSFRoFV0oGhv6lt4UAIBpWevXwPKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B1Vy4gwjBgJBT04KsC1PWHcaXlTa5FAKIrtrgvdEn9pQytToHdH7aSg6gfSC8zpTNuQHufK8xoh1MiAJTMLmX1ri+dSxBUopNjieNs4b25XjIy3rLiaNCY6mQUI9i1RPB8mnhgaeosmp9fEfsmjcKzP9rJ2USSFbWG6NKrBeK5A= Received: by 10.82.112.3 with SMTP id k3mr5116973buc.1186380438222; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:07:18 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Hartleigh Burton" In-Reply-To: <1918FC18-18E2-4163-A78A-6EA4A807BCE5@mraentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> <1918FC18-18E2-4163-A78A-6EA4A807BCE5@mraentertainment.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Philip M. Gollucci" Subject: Re: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:07:20 -0000 On 06/08/07, Hartleigh Burton wrote: > OK, in the FDISK Partition Editor da1 reads as 3576219MB. So that > looks to be ok and around what I am expecting. > > In the Disklabel Editor da1s1 has 0MB free, and da1s1d is the only > da1s1 label with a size of 1444GB. > The output of % bsdlabel da1s1 might be very enlightening here. As an aside, you might spend some time learning the command line utilities. % man 8 fdisk % man 8 bsdlabel -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:17:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6610B16A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB91913C461 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1576202fka for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M6Xnl+Vvy3nv8LHbxUguDi7q5QsSJUV4z0Ijavw456wvWWq6zgeHiYTje+eGhdy11g4KpxTBHf27s71qDrDoWFJDIvYs/LjBJ9laHg1Y79BXi2WI9e9N6nEiywqwFMPpGXmNjKb9j31sb4I3YS+oVnH/ipoG5B8Xiqr7ix/YLNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S34KWX4lRZvilJdNlRGsWhEuleHikGR8xoIwBLSRaw2X/KubwCq34FVRi2nC8Mh1zGBq4jVNJAQXKtxeFW5/AmRYTKcGwS9Oq6ypBoQi0bYqF/AVYzlAtoSk4I1FGCPv5O1EhqlGyP9THx3WBSeTI3E3LIcfT7QYLR4lkofvUDU= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr744192buc.1186381044686; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:17:24 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Rolf G Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <46B65DCB.8020307@lazlarlyricon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46B65DCB.8020307@lazlarlyricon.com> Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: USB mouse issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:17:26 -0000 On 05/08/07, Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > Hi, > > My new USB mouse (a Logitech G5) works fine both in the console (with > moused) and under X (both with moused and directly)... For the most part... > However, once in a while it just dies (the lights indicating the DPI > setting on top and the lights underneath it goes off and it stops > responding). > Since, according to the ehci man page, the USB 2.0 driver is quite > buggy, I tried disabling it, but the problem didn't go away. > I've also tried connecting the mouse to different USB connectors without > luck. > > Every time it happens I get two lines in the /var/log/messages file: > In my case an old microsoft balless usb mouse did just the same thing. Would work for 15 seconds to 4 or 5 days and then not work*. Replugging would usually make it come back. Throwing it away worked best. Never had any other usb problems on that machine. *Never gave any error messages either, just went dark. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:22:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F6416A41A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A6413C4A3 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:22:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1577077fka for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:22:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eAbs3HHrGustoxOSbukHqlxELdDOROUMYHvijWUZH0Ml0XjprWKVuH5VioBj/w/yC+y1A09qE3/On52MiqFNhwlytJwTXYW4oPWSmMfAqWgs/QgvnTiHRM/mEG7rTbqB0ElAHzkZVbBNA6EXelEgmeJ+6GVgzNQGeM/s3UK3k3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KExpen/+fKkbmJA9fM1tbM7nyyZYwO8X+7YsgIjnBa0NIgSCP+oAEAecPMudnCJ375dQi5O4qJknJo4si9qgiW+KMvoPH7h6TJaLkfI+cEY2YDoQsetzK0JNeEIbPUE9Wv5+PtI2AbWFcuMaWc5lnyFeNnInecwC4dl8fbEPjHM= Received: by 10.82.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr5107839buc.1186381325069; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:22:05 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Victor Sudakov" In-Reply-To: <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:22:07 -0000 On 05/08/07, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > What is it? > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > problem? I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, though. I just tended to assume it was either harmless or the world was going to end, neither of which cases I could seem to rule out definitively. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:29:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DC216A420 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: from mail.mraentertainment.com (243-145-222-203.static.techex.net.au [203.222.145.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1F413C491 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: (qmail 67432 invoked by uid 89); 6 Aug 2007 06:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.187?) (hburton@mraentertainment.com@192.168.1.187) by mickey.mraentertainment with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2007 06:29:37 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> <1918FC18-18E2-4163-A78A-6EA4A807BCE5@mraentertainment.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <98148EE5-2AE8-4EF3-8CF3-225CAF8C07C9@mraentertainment.com> From: Hartleigh Burton Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:29:15 +1000 To: illoai@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:29:39 -0000 Thanks for the tip. # /dev/da1s1: 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 3029130401 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, don't edit d: 3029130401 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 Unfortunately for me, I do not really know what I am looking at here. Regards, Hartleigh Burton On 06/08/2007, at 4:07 PM, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 06/08/07, Hartleigh Burton wrote: >> OK, in the FDISK Partition Editor da1 reads as 3576219MB. So that >> looks to be ok and around what I am expecting. >> >> In the Disklabel Editor da1s1 has 0MB free, and da1s1d is the only >> da1s1 label with a size of 1444GB. >> > > The output of > % bsdlabel da1s1 > might be very enlightening here. > > As an aside, you might spend some time learning the > command line utilities. > % man 8 fdisk > % man 8 bsdlabel > > -- > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:42:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDB216A420 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BE113C48E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056691A4D7C; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 207B5C1D2; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:42:20 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-ID: <20070806064220.GA31573@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070806052213.GA30845@rot26.obsecurity.org> <200708060601.l7661pfS054336@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708060601.l7661pfS054336@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:42:21 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 02:01:51AM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update > > > > > the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to > > > > > actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? > > > > > With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a > > > > > killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing > > > > > that CF chip. > > > > > > > > Please show us how you came to this conclusion. > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > "script" output from a recent update : > > > > > > ---> Upgrade of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:00 -0400 > > > ---> Upgrading 'bsdstats-5.3' to 'bsdstats-5.3_4' (sysutils/bsdstats) > > > OK? [yes] > > > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:09 -0400 > > > ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats' > > > ===> Cleaning for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > > > ===> Extracting for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > ===> Patching for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > ===> Configuring for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats ended at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:10 -0400 (cons > > > umed 00:00:00) > > > ---> Updating dependency info > > > ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS > > > > Is it actually writing to these files, or just examining them to see > > whether they need to be updated? > > > > Kris > > > I was truthfully only going by what I believed it was saying, that > it was really modifying them. > > I upgraded fetchyahoo tonite after I emailed this, and if I do an > "ls -lt" in /var/db/pkg I see : > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 15891456 Aug 6 00:59 pkgdb.db > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 fetchyahoo-2.10.9 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Compress-Zlib-2.005 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Crypt-SSLeay-0.56 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.005 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-libwww-5.805 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 openssl-0.9.8e_1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Authen-SASL-2.10_1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-MD5-2.36 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-MIME-Tools-5.420_1,2 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Net-1.21,1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.005 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-GSSAPI-0.24 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-HTML-Parser-3.56 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-HTML-Tagset-3.10 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.005 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Convert-BinHex-1.119 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-1.15 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-stringy-2.110 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-MIME-Base64-3.07 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Mail-Tools-1.74 > > (etc) > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 bsdstats-5.3_4 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 Hermes-1.3.3_2 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ImageMagick-6.3.3.5_1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit-0.5.17_3 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit2-2.14.8 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 OpenEXR-1.4.0 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 OpenSP-1.5.2 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 Xaw3d-1.5E_2 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 aalib-1.4.r5_3 > > I thought the timestamp of a directory only changes if a > file was added or modified in the directory. > > If I do the "ls -lt */\+CONTENTS", I see : > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2386 Aug 6 00:59 fetchyahoo-2.10.9/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1113 Aug 6 00:59 xset-1.0.2/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 976 Aug 6 00:59 xsetmode-1.0.0/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1003 Aug 6 00:59 xsetpointer-1.0.0/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1204 Aug 6 00:59 xsetroot-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1597 Aug 6 00:59 xsm-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1149 Aug 6 00:59 xstdcmap-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5124 Aug 6 00:59 xterm-228/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1157 Aug 6 00:59 xtrans-1.0.3/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3097 Aug 6 00:59 xtrap-1.0.2/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6643 Aug 6 00:59 xv-3.10a_7/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 4629 Aug 6 00:59 xvattr-1.3_3/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 414 Aug 6 00:59 xvid-1.1.3,1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1689 Aug 6 00:59 xvidtune-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1017 Aug 6 00:59 xvinfo-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1104 Aug 6 00:59 xwd-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1149 Aug 6 00:59 xwininfo-1.0.2/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5062 Aug 6 00:59 xword-0.07_3/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 777 Aug 6 00:59 xwud-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3627 Aug 6 00:59 yasm-0.6.1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 349 Aug 6 00:59 zh-chm2html-0.1a/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 441 Aug 6 00:59 zip-2.32/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 78239 Aug 6 00:59 zsh-4.3.4_1/+CONTENTS > > (etc) > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 301 Aug 6 00:58 bsdstats-5.3_4/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2156 Aug 6 00:58 Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 64643 Aug 6 00:58 ImageMagick-6.3.3.5_1/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8741 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit-0.5.17_3/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 7005 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit2-2.14.8/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10787 Aug 6 00:58 OpenEXR-1.4.0/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18170 Aug 6 00:58 OpenSP-1.5.2/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10272 Aug 6 00:58 Xaw3d-1.5E_2/+CONTENTS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20576 Aug 6 00:58 aalib-1.4.r5_3/+CONTENTS > > So I'm still going with the file being modified. I guess even if > its opening the file, reading it, and then writing it back out unmodified, > its still disk operations that the CF especially can't handle. (Then again, > the laptop isn't doing too well. > > Aug 6 01:45:53 himinbjorg smartd[727]: Device: /dev/ad0, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors > Aug 6 01:45:53 himinbjorg smartd[727]: Device: /dev/ad0, 3 Offline uncorrectable sectors > > (Thats only started too since it was pounded during Xorg upgrade) > > I still really would only like it to touch the files it REALLY > needs to. OK, talk to the maintainer. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:55:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5409F16A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE3E13C46C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l766teho065387; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l766tYbh055102; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:55:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l766tYah055101; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:55:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: kris@obsecurity.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:55:34 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20070806064220.GA31573@rot26.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:55:45 -0000 > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 02:01:51AM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed that recent version(s?) of portupgrade seem to update > > > > > > the +CONTENTS of *EVERY* package on my system, not just the ones it used to > > > > > > actually make a difference to. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour? > > > > > > With 915 ports (WAS only around 600 before the recent Xorg upgrade) its a > > > > > > killer. On my Soekris with a CF drive, and only 57 ports, its still killing > > > > > > that CF chip. > > > > > > > > > > Please show us how you came to this conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > "script" output from a recent update : > > > > > > > > ---> Upgrade of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:00 -0400 > > > > ---> Upgrading 'bsdstats-5.3' to 'bsdstats-5.3_4' (sysutils/bsdstats) > > > > OK? [yes] > > > > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats started at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:09 -0400 > > > > ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats' > > > > ===> Cleaning for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > > > > ===> Extracting for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > > ===> Patching for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > > ===> Configuring for bsdstats-5.3_4 > > > > ---> Build of sysutils/bsdstats ended at: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:10 -0400 (cons > > > > umed 00:00:00) > > > > ---> Updating dependency info > > > > ---> Modifying /var/db/pkg/Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS > > > > > > Is it actually writing to these files, or just examining them to see > > > whether they need to be updated? > > > > > > Kris > > > > > I was truthfully only going by what I believed it was saying, that > > it was really modifying them. > > > > I upgraded fetchyahoo tonite after I emailed this, and if I do an > > "ls -lt" in /var/db/pkg I see : > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 15891456 Aug 6 00:59 pkgdb.db > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 fetchyahoo-2.10.9 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Compress-Zlib-2.005 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Crypt-SSLeay-0.56 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.005 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-libwww-5.805 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 openssl-0.9.8e_1 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Authen-SASL-2.10_1 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-MD5-2.36 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-MIME-Tools-5.420_1,2 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Net-1.21,1 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.005 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-GSSAPI-0.24 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-HTML-Parser-3.56 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-HTML-Tagset-3.10 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.005 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Convert-BinHex-1.119 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Digest-1.15 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-IO-stringy-2.110 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-MIME-Base64-3.07 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:59 p5-Mail-Tools-1.74 > > > > (etc) > > > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 bsdstats-5.3_4 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 Hermes-1.3.3_2 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ImageMagick-6.3.3.5_1 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit-0.5.17_3 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit2-2.14.8 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 OpenEXR-1.4.0 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 OpenSP-1.5.2 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 Xaw3d-1.5E_2 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 00:58 aalib-1.4.r5_3 > > > > I thought the timestamp of a directory only changes if a > > file was added or modified in the directory. > > > > If I do the "ls -lt */\+CONTENTS", I see : > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2386 Aug 6 00:59 fetchyahoo-2.10.9/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1113 Aug 6 00:59 xset-1.0.2/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 976 Aug 6 00:59 xsetmode-1.0.0/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1003 Aug 6 00:59 xsetpointer-1.0.0/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1204 Aug 6 00:59 xsetroot-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1597 Aug 6 00:59 xsm-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1149 Aug 6 00:59 xstdcmap-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5124 Aug 6 00:59 xterm-228/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1157 Aug 6 00:59 xtrans-1.0.3/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3097 Aug 6 00:59 xtrap-1.0.2/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6643 Aug 6 00:59 xv-3.10a_7/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 4629 Aug 6 00:59 xvattr-1.3_3/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 414 Aug 6 00:59 xvid-1.1.3,1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1689 Aug 6 00:59 xvidtune-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1017 Aug 6 00:59 xvinfo-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1104 Aug 6 00:59 xwd-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1149 Aug 6 00:59 xwininfo-1.0.2/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5062 Aug 6 00:59 xword-0.07_3/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 777 Aug 6 00:59 xwud-1.0.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3627 Aug 6 00:59 yasm-0.6.1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 349 Aug 6 00:59 zh-chm2html-0.1a/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 441 Aug 6 00:59 zip-2.32/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 78239 Aug 6 00:59 zsh-4.3.4_1/+CONTENTS > > > > (etc) > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 301 Aug 6 00:58 bsdstats-5.3_4/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2156 Aug 6 00:58 Hermes-1.3.3_2/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 64643 Aug 6 00:58 ImageMagick-6.3.3.5_1/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8741 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit-0.5.17_3/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 7005 Aug 6 00:58 ORBit2-2.14.8/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10787 Aug 6 00:58 OpenEXR-1.4.0/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18170 Aug 6 00:58 OpenSP-1.5.2/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10272 Aug 6 00:58 Xaw3d-1.5E_2/+CONTENTS > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20576 Aug 6 00:58 aalib-1.4.r5_3/+CONTENTS > > > > So I'm still going with the file being modified. I guess even if > > its opening the file, reading it, and then writing it back out unmodified, > > its still disk operations that the CF especially can't handle. (Then again, > > the laptop isn't doing too well. > > > > Aug 6 01:45:53 himinbjorg smartd[727]: Device: /dev/ad0, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors > > Aug 6 01:45:53 himinbjorg smartd[727]: Device: /dev/ad0, 3 Offline uncorrectable sectors > > > > (Thats only started too since it was pounded during Xorg upgrade) > > > > I still really would only like it to touch the files it REALLY > > needs to. > > OK, talk to the maintainer. > Ok. But I part of my question to people , and reason for posting it here, is the old "Is anyone else seeing this". When/if you use portupgrade, does it do the same for you? Or is it just something that I happened some how to inherit on atleast 2 of my machines? Thanks, Tuc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:56:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB3016A469 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3578213C4D5 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1584241fka for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:56:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rfwbTdDWOjWQSGaNHuiwNS7GmQNNaDePu0UC56LSHcUytVNgwj2HT3F/bon8LNtKtliikzIoRQxFBqFQ8AabC4KLRP0BHh6zR7V5VnTYeAiOJo6pa8SvZ9eokDo2rjHCQbPmo0W2I+IGAeqTWSYh5Y7p3gM+xhtFjjdlzp0nQWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A/tyjG8MMwRJ7ndPM9HsLdYnYNhFhqM9wRhEhx5u8FaXkGTRYgoZd9We97dZaod5n+h48fwLrHDSPYg/gFW1trKzAf1znJ2ubSJ6PWuqJuTWJvPQ/lcIvEciyipAy4/mHaUMVDb77YkqlScPu8kcXTu5SYQSgMrxtWp8eHuD/9I= Received: by 10.82.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr5140842buf.1186383362827; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:56:02 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Hartleigh Burton" In-Reply-To: <98148EE5-2AE8-4EF3-8CF3-225CAF8C07C9@mraentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> <1918FC18-18E2-4163-A78A-6EA4A807BCE5@mraentertainment.com> <98148EE5-2AE8-4EF3-8CF3-225CAF8C07C9@mraentertainment.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:56:07 -0000 On 06/08/07, Hartleigh Burton wrote: > > Thanks for the tip. > > # /dev/da1s1: > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > c: 3029130401 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, > don't edit > d: 3029130401 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 > > Unfortunately for me, I do not really know what I am looking at here. > I just noticed from man 8 bsdlabel: COMPATIBILITY Due to the use of an u_int32_t to store the number of sectors, BSD labels are restricted to a maximum of 2^32-1 sectors. This usually means 2TB of disk space. Larger disks should be partitioned using another method such as gpt(8). I suspect this applies to amd64. man 8 fdisk makes no mention of data size problems, but I would suspect it as well. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 07:12:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D895A16A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758A013C45B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from 135.195-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.195.135]) by mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2007 09:12:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:10:35 +0200 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806071035.GA61219@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> References: <20070806052135.GA60888@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> <46B6B1AA.9010905@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46B6B1AA.9010905@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: boot problem after custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:12:12 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 03:29:14PM +1000, Paul Fraser wrote: > Alain G. Fabry wrote: > >First 'unload kernel' followed by 'boot /boot/kernel.GENERIC/kernel', but > >it mentions > >that it cannot find the kernel. > > > > > > >What can I do to boot my GENERIC kernel so I can rebuild from it and my > >system will boot > >normal again. > > Hi Alain, > > Try replacing 'kernel.GENERIC' with 'kernel.old' in your example. If you > don't remember actually making a copy of your kernel and naming it > kernel.GENERIC, you'll be more likely to succeed with kernel.old. > > -- > Regards, > > Paul Fraser // Independent Technical Consultant // Ph: +61 405 341 905 > // furyc0de.net > > This correspondence and any related attachments are confidential. > Distribution, reproduction, or release (public domain or otherwise) > without the author's prior written consent is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. > Failure to distribute any of the aforementioned without this footer > (intact and unmodified) is also STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Failure to abide by > these terms and conditions can result in legal action. > > If you have received this correspondence in error, or believe any of > these terms have been breached, you are requested to contact the author > immediately and take steps to destroy all copies in your possession. > Thanks, it works. Somehow I though since the old seems to be in italics that you needed to change it with the old kernel name (which in my case was GENERIC) Back up and running. Alain > PGP KeyID: 0x64E635B1 > Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu:11371 > Key fingerprint: CDA3 0797 68B9 0EC1 D4D3 A7B9 D7D7 4924 64E6 35B1 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 07:19:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF7316A468 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4FA13C47E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: by Dr.Web (R) daemon for FreeBSD, v4.33 at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [172.16.138.125] (account sudakovva@sibptus.tomsk.ru HELO admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 8364628 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:18:58 +0700 Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l767IwV7023848 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:18:58 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru using -f Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:18:57 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://vas.tomsk.ru/vas.asc Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:19:01 -0000 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > > > What is it? > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > problem? > > I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the > same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, I gave an example below. The file "wins.dat" was not dumped. It is indeed missing from the tape. If this is not a data loss, what is it then? [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape expected next file 267, got 4 expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 09:25:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE88316A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wilkinsa@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C2813C47E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wilkinsa@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from ednmsw510.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednmsw510.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.68.11]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7690RAV021428 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:30:27 +0930 (CST) Received: from ednex510.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex510.dsto.defence.gov.au) by ednmsw510.dsto.defence.gov.au (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:41:10 +0930 Received: from obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au ([203.6.60.208]) by ednex510.dsto.defence.gov.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:41:10 +0930 Received: from obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l769AYlF063075 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:10:34 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from wilkinsa@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: (from wilkinsa@localhost) by obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l769AYWO063074 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:10:34 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from wilkinsa) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:10:34 +0800 From: "Wilkinson, Alex" To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806091033.GA57676@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Organisation: Defence Science Technology Organisation User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2007 09:11:10.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[BACA3DB0:01C7D809] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1526-5.0.1021-15340.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No-1.061900-0.000000-31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: setfacl(1) - Can FreeBSD's ACLs contain groups from NT/AD domains ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:25:14 -0000 Hi all, I have "FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #1: Wed Jul 25" authenticating successfully against active directory via samba's winbindd(8). I need to manage samba shares via FreeBSD ACLs and CIFS ACLs. From my reading of setfacl(1) I should be able to set group permissions using the syntax of DOMAIN\group-name. For example: #setfacl -d -m g:"MYDOMAIN\mygroupname":rwx test However, when I do this on FreeBSD -CURRENT I get the following error: #setfacl -d -m g:"MYDOMAIN\mygroupname":rwx test setfacl: g:MYDOMAIN\mygroupname: Invalid argument >From a quick Google it looks like Linux ACLs can do the aforementioned [http://www.techtutorials.net/blogs/index.php?mode=viewuser&user_id=7]. Does anyone know ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 10:06:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14A116A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D31813C4B6 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (dpm.xs4all.nl [213.84.11.61]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l76A6mFG070342; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:06:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:06:46 +0200 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB19BC14@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: setfacl(1) - Can FreeBSD's ACLs contain groups from NT/AD domains ? Thread-Index: AcfYDAif0/2UTcepTVGnwrCEEalcpgABTRcw References: <20070806091033.GA57676@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: "Wilkinson, Alex" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: setfacl(1) - Can FreeBSD's ACLs contain groups from NT/AD domains ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:06:55 -0000 >Hi all, >I have "FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #1: Wed Jul 25" authenticating successfully = against >active directory via samba's winbindd(8). I need to manage samba shares = via >FreeBSD ACLs and CIFS ACLs. From my reading of setfacl(1) I should be = able to >set group permissions using the syntax of DOMAIN\group-name. For = example: > #setfacl -d -m g:"MYDOMAIN\mygroupname":rwx test >However, when I do this on FreeBSD -CURRENT I get the following error: > #setfacl -d -m g:"MYDOMAIN\mygroupname":rwx test > setfacl: g:MYDOMAIN\mygroupname: Invalid argument >From a quick Google it looks like Linux ACLs can do the aforementioned >[http://www.techtutorials.net/blogs/index.php?mode=3Dviewuser&user_id=3D= 7]. >Does anyone know ? As far as i know and the way i do it is leaving the Domain part out just = the group name. Wbinfo -g shows the groups if all is ok. Regards, Johan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 5-8-2007 = 16:16 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 10:08:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCA116A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk (custompc.plus.com [81.174.174.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2FB13C45E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk (localhost.cpcnw.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l76A8P7s001376 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:08:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: (from admin@localhost) by 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l76A8PNc001375 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:08:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk: admin set sender to admin@cpcnw.co.uk using -f Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:08:25 +0100 From: Graham Bentley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806100825.GB893@cpcnw.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: USB Phone Charging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:08:50 -0000 Hi All, Still not got to the bottom of this one ; My Blackberry mobile phone refuses to charge from USB when logged into FreeBSD. dmesg -a shows; ugen1: Research In Motion Blackberry Device etc usbdevs -v shows ; Controller /dev/usb1: addr 1: full speed, self powered, config 1, UHCI root hub(0x0000), VIA(0x0000) rev 1.00 port1 powered port2 addr 2: full speed, power 100ma, config 1, blackberry Device(0x0000) Research In Motion(0x0fca), rev 1.04 Perhaps 100ma isnt enough for charging ? Any ideas ? Thanks ! -- admin@cpcnw.co.uk www.cpcnw.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 10:43:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFCD16A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A8C13C428 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so1495034mue for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=t2/v0mgkNVqPJXRtrHOkDamVFFtnPm78KbjNOMaoS3qgMJV5FydDeYtLFM2hZAx2c4D9zc3V42u3F+IN8/xEE27VvSlPbgpl0IFLvgdG0c9eGUj7YWOB+Ggepef1oGBhst/vl/qPNQ9qaltN16RzMhOV10n4jDmznvwpJRiBobc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=JJ4sYXs3X4gHQHWJPKgGeLD5gesm4LDuLDO1j7dEyyY+w6dsaDjdejvjZ4CZMWP7zxH5+1RNXRcDsJx+YegmuQq4+NuRvyY8fs4pVXZpSDpCE4W5bR0id4lcPJ9BIwdd4bNr6C/aAh/p3RMeSsqKHWLpS+jE27gICjJ8737BTnY= Received: by 10.86.4.2 with SMTP id 2mr4278104fgd.1186397023335; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persephone.orchid.homeunix.org ( [84.10.173.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm12353494fkr.2007.08.06.03.43.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B6FB45.5010608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:43:17 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" References: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> In-Reply-To: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF37229BCE225BE82C9D4E0AC" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: karol.kwiat@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:43:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF37229BCE225BE82C9D4E0AC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > Ok. But I part of my question to people , and reason for posting it > here, is the old "Is anyone else seeing this". When/if you use portupgr= ade, does > it do the same for you? Or is it just something that I happened some ho= w to inherit > on atleast 2 of my machines? 2 machines (7.0-CURRENT and 6.2-RELEASE, i386), same behaviour: $ cd /var/db/pkg $ ls -l */\+CONTENTS | wc -l 556 $ ls -lt */\+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 15736 Aug 6 10:38 mplayer-0.99.10_13/+CONTEN= TS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 571 Aug 6 10:38 xf86dgaproto-2.0.2/+CONTEN= TS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 544 Aug 6 10:38 xf86driproto-2.0.3/+CONTEN= TS [...] -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1232 Aug 6 10:37 adns-1.4/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 61306 Aug 6 10:37 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.37+2.8.= 28/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1154 Aug 6 10:37 apg-2.3.0b_1/+CONTENTS $ pkg_info -Ix portupgrade portupgrade-2.3.1,2 FreeBSD ports/packages administration and management = tool s $ portupgrade portupgrade 2.3.0 (2007/07/03) HTH, Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP 0x06E09309 --------------enigF37229BCE225BE82C9D4E0AC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRrb7TAhgT0HIecD5AQi7wwgAgeCLG9c0tTUNvZ028vMxF8ebvl/f5IfK F1ghvR8J5Rv5XZPh1yBti9vFw12Lw5a6c7Wl+j7R230Czx3IGji+uIL00htQWyAQ uvwcZSqx7XjpWqfSFIYrgagpRmCfOSN+VRCxK0UZOBofwTbOkPx1yMQGB9li08f/ JrwS6q1+0So5N5qrz6sy4p/UlBBl/sw7DjOnuCm0A00+PdAhg3WwwBhz5x2DAgCN b1LJeZSTkIIFj8hFuf7Y5MkB6unSmLQGHrEUBwmzW88qfTmoGEld/30bIFlQHf3B eQ2tWhoE+bFGnziRF+l3+LGSph8pSJwc/rgVLCI5WerfYyNBuWVrLA== =W+VQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF37229BCE225BE82C9D4E0AC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 11:02:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BB216A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA3213C478 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB281DF2E0; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:01:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:05:18 +0200 From: cpghost To: Victor Sudakov Message-ID: <20070806110518.GA8074@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:02:38 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 02:18:57PM +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > > > > > What is it? > > > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > > problem? > > > > I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the > > same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, > > I gave an example below. The file "wins.dat" was not dumped. It is > indeed missing from the tape. > > If this is not a data loss, what is it then? > > [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN > ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape > expected next file 267, got 4 > expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 Uh-oh :-(. I have no idea how the code works, but just a wild guess: what happens when a file is being created and a snapshot taken at the same time? Isn't there a tiny window between inode creation and directory update? Or is file creation an atomic operation w.r.t. snapshots and dump? > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 11:08:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE8B16A468 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D62613C4A6 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so1093076wxd for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.71.9 with SMTP id t9mr9684702wxa.1186398504500; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.189.230.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i11sm5700082wxd.2007.08.06.04.08.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:08:39 -0400 To: User Questions Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> References: <20070806064220.GA31573@rot26.obsecurity.org> <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20070806070640.7F02.GERARD-SEIBERT@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.31 [en] From: Gerard Subject: Re[2]: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: User Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:08:26 -0000 On August 06, 2007 at 02:55AM Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: [snip} > Ok. But I part of my question to people , and reason for posting it > here, is the old "Is anyone else seeing this". When/if you use portupgrade, does > it do the same for you? Or is it just something that I happened some how to inherit > on atleast 2 of my machines? I have noticed the same behavior. I have some 815 ports installed; however, I had not noticed any significant deterioration in performance. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 11:39:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BA016A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D0713C461 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from t60.mydomain.home (cpe-72-231-141-22.nycap.res.rr.com[72.231.141.22]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20070806113943113008v647e>; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:39:44 +0000 Message-ID: <46B70876.9040809@att.net> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:39:34 -0400 From: "Arend P. van der Veen" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portsdb and cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:39:44 -0000 Thanks for your story. The only reason we used -U was that we were not sure what they meant got special macros. The man page for portsdb status that you only use -U if you have special macros in /etc/make.conf. All we have in there is version information so I think that does not apply to use. Thanks again, Arend Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: > >> The approach that I had been using was: >> >> /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 0 /usr/sup/supfile >> /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Uu >> >> This had worked great until the emacs22 update. Now portsdb crashes >> due to the emacs entry in /etc/make.conf. However, I see very little >> chatter on the lists about this. I have started to wonder if the bulk >> of the community may be updating their ports differently. Upon some >> limited research I found that I could use: >> >> /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 0 /usr/sup/supfile >> /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Fu >> >> This work fine for me. I can then use tools such as pkg_version, >> pkg_delete, portinstall and portupgrade without any problems. >> >> My open ended question is what does the rest of the community do to >> update their ports collection? >> > > I don't run portsdb at all. :) > > What I figured from the portsdb manpages is that if you don't run it > manually then it gets run upon using one of the portupgrade tools. I > don't mind the 30s or so delay that causes and so I don't run portsdb > manually. > > During my first few days with FreeBSD, however, I used to run ''portsdb > -Fu''. My understanding is that that would fetch the INDEX-6 and update > INDEX-6.db (since I am on FreeBSD 6.x) but I don't see why I should do > this coz the INDEX files are updated when I update the ports tree > anyways! (If I have understood this incorrectly, someone please correct > me). > > I tried ''portsdb -Uu'' just once. To see what it does. Took a long time > and so I never tried it again. From the manpage I understand that it > creates/ updates the INDEX files by running the ''make index'' command, > but the reasoning behind that didn't make sense to me ... > > So that's my story. > > Regards, > Rakhesh > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 12:35:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6772616A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2554F13C465 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so1108366wxd for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=uGbWUL52RKorpobMxVTLGbrNKB/tVm3Y7IxNBrsN7OiDB4Y4xDBBtu85eC0E6/jM1iCM0Kv0wRZose/LASPL5fy2UyobVf8EnqAZhS78AHCmD3RoViY3Wym/GH7pRRZdWy9goYui7Okn/XHOinydzdm/6XRukaQ1AItYg6RD6bo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=HUmmKwM4LyH5q/LA8kaHj3f5RqKatCF8a5AULXB3dIESFn2TkUmGYrEf7XChs7aURRqUJmgCVWTffGyNU0DlkH0qcMB+vY0DgEuSjyFN/cU603UlVqy7finOKIIPGz1BvNZgVv0ti78qHAEBU13dRbLONqjLdGY0z4nrLS0VnXg= Received: by 10.90.93.6 with SMTP id q6mr4481316agb.1186403738119; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v26sm7060141ele.2007.08.06.05.35.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747B811420; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:35:12 +0400 (GST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:34:51 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Josh Carroll In-Reply-To: <8cb6106e0708011457q4b468723x7ecee0bf70c52809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070806162354.N11304@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <499c70c0707260136hea82f27s87dfa53432d0e409@mail.gmail.com> <94c6ae7ae570814564d364bfe9aad8ea@szalbot.homedns.org> <20070801030504.GA3773@bifrost.agrussell.com> <8cb6106e0708011457q4b468723x7ecee0bf70c52809@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "A.G. Russell IV" , Freebsd questions Subject: Re: Waiting for BIND security announcement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:35:39 -0000 On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Josh Carroll wrote: > You need wait no longer...the security advisory just went out with a patch: > > http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-07:07.bind.asc I'm on FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4. If I do a freebsd-update shouldn't I get this? Or will there be a delay coz binary patches have to be prepared for freebsd-update? # freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7. Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 12:42:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E693A16A41A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E9713C461 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:42:28 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l76Cg1lN007998 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:42:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:42:01 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806124201.GA7838@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2007 12:42:28.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FBEEDF0:01C7D827] Subject: FreeBSD Qemu host with 5-8 virtual machines for Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:42:06 -0000 Hello, I'm using Qemu (0.8.2) and kqemu (1.3.0.p11) in my FreeBSD 6.2-REL laptop, but only from time to time, mostly to edit some Winword docs when the addressed people don't like OpenOffice stuff. We are a software company and need to test our applications in Linux environment. Actually this is done on some Linux host with 6 GByte RAM and VMWare Workstation 4.5.2. It seems that there is some limitation not allowing more RAM for the guest systems as real RAM in the host, i.e. 6 GByte as max. I'm thinking in reinstalling this server with FreeBSD and using Qemu for the VM's. The idea is to have at least 5-8 VM's running at the same time, each with 1-2 GByte (virt.) RAM. Any comments on this? Thx Matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ OCLC PICA GmbH, Geschaeftsfuehrer: Christine Magin-Weeger, Norbert Weinberger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Oberhaching, HRB Muenchen: 113261 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 12:46:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1907016A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjk32@cam.ac.uk) Received: from ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF29713C46C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjk32@cam.ac.uk) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from gw.cjkey.org.uk ([88.97.163.222]:1636 helo=[192.168.2.186]) by ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.159]:465) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:cjk32) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1II1yD-000113-V8 (Exim 4.63) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (return-path ); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:46:01 +0100 Message-ID: <46B71809.4040704@cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:46:01 +0100 From: Christopher Key User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD Installation Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:46:05 -0000 Hello, I'm about to install FreeBSD for the first time on a new machine and have a few questions: 1) The motherboard is an Intel DQ964GF, which uses the ICH8 chipset. Is it better to use this in IDE or AHCI mode? (The system will be booting from a S-ATA disk) 2) Are there any good documents discussing the relative merits of using i386 / amd64? 3) Does anyone have any good suggestions on how to perform the installation. The machine has no floppy or CD-ROM drive, and it's not really convenient to temporarily add them as I may well end up going through the install procedure several times. The options seem to be either a USB flash drive (any thoughts on how to get a UFS file system and FreeBSD MBR on there using only WinXP), or via the network. Any advice much appreciated, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 12:54:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4097E16A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2855C13C46A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (sky_cpfw-1.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.130]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3791A0641; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46B719F0.2000803@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:54:08 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ross Penner , User questions Subject: Re: Installing from USB Flash Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:54:14 -0000 Written by fbsd2 on 08/04/07 07:42>> > I was really taken with the idea for using a USB flash stick disk drive to install FreeBSD from. I used the script from the mentioned URL below as the starting point. After some changes to the script I got it to work. I was able to boot off the USB flash stick disk drive, But then was faced with a show stopper. During the sysinstall process after it asks for hard drive fdisk and bsdlable info it asks you for where to get the install files from (IE: cdrom, remote ftp, floppy, dos partition, ECT) there is no option to tell the sysinstall program to use USB-dd as source location. > > So in summary, this idea is un-usable until the sysinstall program gets updated to include an option to use USB-dd as an install source. This brings to light another problem. That is using floppies to install FreeBSD from. PC manufactures are no longer building systems with floppies drives included. Combining the FreeBSD floppy images to a single USB-dd image would be away to continue to offer this method of installing FreeBSD. > > Included below is my working script to populate a 1GB USB flash stick disk with the FreeBSD cd1 iso file. > > > #!/bin/sh > #Purpose = Use to transfer the FreeBSD install cd1 to > # a bootable 1GB USB flash drive so it can be used to install from. > # First fetch the FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso to your > # hard drive /usr. Then execute this script from the command line > # fbsd2usb /usr/6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso /usr/6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.img > # Change system bios to boot from USB-dd and away you go. > > # NOTE: This script has to be run from root and your 1GB USB flash drive > # has to be plugged in before running this script. > > # On the command line enter fbsd2usb iso-path img-path > > # You can set some variables here. Edit them to fit your needs. > > # Set serial variable to 0 if you don't want serial console at all, > # 1 if you want comconsole and 2 if you want comconsole and vidconsole > serial=0 > > set -u > > if [ $# -lt 2 ]; then > echo "Usage: $0 source-iso-path output-img-path" > exit 1 > fi > > isoimage=$1; shift > imgoutfile=$1; shift > > # Temp directory to be used later > #export tmpdir=$(mktemp -d -t fbsdmount) > export tmpdir=$(mktemp -d /usr/fbsdmount) > > export isodev=$(mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ${isoimage}) > > ISOSIZE=$(du -k ${isoimage} | awk '{print $1}') > SECTS=$((($ISOSIZE + ($ISOSIZE/5))*4)) > #SECTS=$((($ISOSIZE + ($ISOSIZE/5))*2)) > > > echo " " > echo "### Initializing image File started ###" > echo "### This will take about 4 minutes ###" > date > dd if=/dev/zero of=${imgoutfile} count=${SECTS} > echo "### Initializing image File completed ###" > date > > echo " " > ls -l ${imgoutfile} > export imgdev=$(mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ${imgoutfile}) > > bsdlabel -w -B ${imgdev} > newfs -O1 /dev/${imgdev}a > > mkdir -p ${tmpdir}/iso ${tmpdir}/img > > mount -t cd9660 /dev/${isodev} ${tmpdir}/iso > mount /dev/${imgdev}a ${tmpdir}/img > > echo " " > echo "### Started Copying files to the image now ###" > echo "### This will take about 15 minutes ###" > date > > ( cd ${tmpdir}/iso && find . -print -depth | cpio -dump ${tmpdir}/img ) > > echo "### Completed Copying files to the image ###" > date > > > if [ ${serial} -eq 2 ]; then > echo "-D" > ${tmpdir}/img/boot.config > echo 'console="comconsole, vidconsole"' >> ${tmpdir}/img/boot/loader.conf > elif [ ${serial} -eq 1 ]; then > echo "-h" > ${tmpdir}/img/boot.config > echo 'console="comconsole"' >> ${tmpdir}/img/boot/loader.conf > fi > > echo " " > echo "### Started writing image to flash drive now ###" > echo "### This will take about 30 minutes ###" > date > dd if=${imgoutfile} of=/dev/da0 bs=1m > echo "### Completed writing image to flash drive at ###" > date > > cleanup() { > umount ${tmpdir}/iso > mdconfig -d -u ${isodev} > umount ${tmpdir}/img > mdconfig -d -u ${imgdev} > rm -rf ${tmpdir} > } > > cleanup > > ls -lh ${imgoutfile} > > echo "### Script finished ###" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ross Penner > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:34 PM > To: User questions > Subject: Installing from USB Flash Drive > > Hi everybody, > > I'm trying to install a system on a machine that doesn't have an optical > drive. I plan on using a USB flash drive to do the job and found a > messages from hackers@freebsd.org > (http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org/msg55434.html) > about just such a thing. The script provided converts the CD image into > one suitable for a flashmemory stick. I used and coverted it without > issue. The instructions say to use dd to prepare the flash drive so > executed > #dd if=flashbsd.iso of=/dev/da0 > I'm not entirely confident that that was the correct procedure, as I'm > quite unfamilar with dd. Unfortunetly, I can't seem to get the drive to > boot. I can mount the filesystem so it seems that prepareing the drive was > succesful. I'm using a via chipset and yes, the bios is set to boot from > USB-FDD. I used the 6.2 boot only image. > > Thanks for any insight you can provide me. > > Ross > > -- > sig ho! Please don't top-post. You are correct, there is no option for a USB flash drive for your installation media. However, it is not a show stopper - you have the "file system" media option. You should mount the flash disk and use this option. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 13:32:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A6E16A41A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F9913C49D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so1625973aga for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:32:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=f4wqTDzLcHsbnrwpzOd2YecN1qoOkDXVCHRdjmQjRukzaaVVemlEdS/PpTIwWfeC26neCD62R6c5mA3ViqPbNL2oVevazNR9S/UMIASOj4NhpgDgSjLp7hoYEckGDQyFMl54dIijP/6y/WMIRUZPhKAIfaAo7H5Z4UsZiGPyzBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=q1J0m+6X9gw2FX2Ah7VD4GgJmBNLHBPDoMLGpCnOhrtCc+AqfyItC9I/M9pvEoY+s8Havnz59En1dSdcSSZY7MAMqo7oxBTqnsmGhiHjnI3A1RZIXmcF2TrEx2tmQn812MB9f9GrXAu6fmgC2lBUAS6srXl5W2gcWZ3uV47L0bY= Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr4573424agb.1186407174305; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm7117138ele.2007.08.06.06.32.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29A711420; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:32:32 +0400 (GST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:32:12 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: vuthecuong In-Reply-To: <46B452D0.5050701@fpt.vn> Message-ID: <20070806172333.G15231@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <46B426F0.2040201@fpt.vn> <46B4292E.5010903@infracaninophile.co.uk> <46B452D0.5050701@fpt.vn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not start phpmyadmin after upgrade to 2.10.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:32:55 -0000 >>> Today when after upgrade phpmyadmin through portupgrade from 2.10.2 to >>> 2.10.3 >>> when I browse to phpmyadmin page, it said: >>> >>> >>> phpMyAdmin - Error >>> >>> Cannot start session without errors, please check errors given in your >>> PHP and/or webserver log file and configure your PHP installation >>> properly. > [Sat Aug 04 17:13:50 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down > [Sat Aug 04 17:15:37 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured > [hint: SSLSessionCache] Are you accessing using phpMyAdmin over an HTTPS link? The above line in the log file seems to indicate some problem with the HTTPS configuration. (Possibly not, I'm just asking to eliminate that). I would also suggest turning ON some logging in your php.ini file. That way we could get more info on what's causing the error. (That's what I'd do if I had an error message like this). Hope that helps. Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 13:57:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F0A16A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-5.eunet.yu (smtpclu-5.eunet.yu [194.247.192.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C7813C469 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:57:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-213-46.eunet.yu [213.198.213.46]) by smtpclu-5.eunet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l76DvAqO013620; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:57:12 +0200 Message-Id: <200708061357.l76DvAqO013620@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:52:20 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" In-Reply-To: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> References: <20070806064220.GA31573@rot26.obsecurity.org> <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50, TW_BG, TW_GT, TW_RW, TW_WX, TW_XG, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.4 X-AVAS-Spam-Level: x Cc: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:57:20 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 02:55:34 -0400 (EDT) "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" wrote: [...] > Ok. But I part of my question to people , and reason for > posting it here, is the old "Is anyone else seeing this". When/if you > use portupgrade, does it do the same for you? Or is it just something > that I happened some how to inherit on atleast 2 of my machines? Interestingly, I see this behaviour only _partially_ with %ls -d /var/db/pkg/portupgrade* /var/db/pkg/portupgrade-devel-2.3.1 I've just upgraded the following ports (extract from build script): =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for sudo-1.6.9.3_1 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for jasper-1.900.1_6 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for intltool-0.36.0 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for cups-base-1.2.11_3 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for libglade2-2.6.2 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for ffmpeg-2007.07.12_1 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for libgnomeprint-2.18.0_3 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for py25-tkinter-2.5.1_2 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for xpdf-3.02_2 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for gstreamer-0.10.14 =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for gstreamer-plugins-0.10.14,3 However: %ls -lt /var/db/pkg/*/*CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 50114 Aug 6 11:28 /var/db/pkg/wxgtk2-common-= 2.8.4/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 9772 Aug 6 11:28 /var/db/pkg/wxgtk2-unicode= -2.8.4/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 35998 Aug 6 11:27 /var/db/pkg/aMule-2.1.3_4/= +CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20786 Aug 6 11:26 /var/db/pkg/gstreamer-plug= ins-0.10.14,3/+CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 992 Aug 6 11:13 /var/db/pkg/xwud-1.0.1/+CO= NTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 21020 Aug 6 11:13 /var/db/pkg/yelp-2.18.1_1/= +CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 28133 Aug 6 11:13 /var/db/pkg/zenity-2.18.2/= +CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 441 Aug 6 11:13 /var/db/pkg/zip-2.32/+CONT= ENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 440 Aug 6 11:13 /var/db/pkg/zoo-2.10.1_2/+= CONTENTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1765 Aug 6 11:13 /var/db/pkg/xsm-1.0.1/+CON= TENTS [...] [all other +CONTENTS files are in 11:13 and 11:12] This means that upgrading of gstreamer-plugins affected only ports depending on it (aMule and wxgtk2*). But this is obviously not the case with some other ports. However[2]: %ls -lt /var/db/pkg | head total 23198 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:28 gstreamer-plugins-0.10.1= 4,3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:28 wxgtk2-common-2.8.4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:28 wxgtk2-unicode-2.8.4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:27 aMule-2.1.3_4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 21974016 Aug 6 11:26 pkgdb.db drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:16 gstreamer-0.10.14 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:16 libXft-2.1.12 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:16 xorg-libraries-7.2_2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 6 11:16 libXcomposite-0.3.2,1 I haven't recently noticed any significant change in performance. (The times in the above lists are not relevant since couple of demanding things were running at the same time.) Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 14:08:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727B316A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (Mail-03.name-services.com [64.74.223.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6857913C46A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from laptop ([76.190.247.202]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:11:05 -0700 From: "fbsd2" To: "Reid Linnemann" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:08:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <46B719F0.2000803@cs.okstate.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2007 14:11:05.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0C51230:01C7D833] Cc: User questions Subject: RE: Installing from USB Flash Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:08:18 -0000 >You are correct, there is no option for a USB flash drive for your >installation media. However, it is not a show stopper - you have the >"file system" media option. You should mount the flash disk and use this >option. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Reid Linnemann Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:54 AM To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com Cc: Ross Penner; User questions Subject: Re: Installing from USB Flash Drive When booting the USB flash drive which contains the install cd1 iso you go into sysinstall by default. There is no way to stay in the sysinstall pgm and issue a mount command for da0 that I can find. Exiting sysinstall just causes a reboot and you are right back at point you just left. Please explain how to mount USB flash drive when it's all ready used to boot from. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 14:26:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7111816A47D; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0355E13C45B; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AE62D2989; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:26:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5B513ED68; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:26:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (dslb-084-061-167-191.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.167.191]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840133027E4; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:26:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.8.11] (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l76EQMtR070488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:26:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <46B72F85.70205@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:26:13 +0200 From: Michael Nottebrock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Novembre References: <3b47caa90708041410s30f87f52g4d928c928e5f0eb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3b47caa90708041410s30f87f52g4d928c928e5f0eb0@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig59A76D7AE7D6961EDD8DE31E" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3877/Mon Aug 6 12:18:31 2007 on mail-in-07.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keyboard layout change in Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:26:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig59A76D7AE7D6961EDD8DE31E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Novembre schrieb: > I have Xfce 4.4.1_1 on top of X.org 7.2 running on FreeBSD > 6.2-RELEASEinstalled on a Pentium III-S > 1.4GHz machine. > The problem is that the ALT keys are not working when using XkbLayout o= ption > in xorg.conf when I put the following lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > > Option "XkbLayout" "us,ir" > Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" > > With these options, single ALT keys do not work, and I mean not just in= > changing the keyboard layout, but anywhere! For example, ALT-TAB which > should change the current window does not work anymore. I have found ou= t > that in this case, i.e. using XkbLayout option, if I press both ALT key= s at > the same time, it'll do work! So, LEFTALT-RIGHTALT-TAB changes the curr= ent > window, and LEFTALT-RIGHTALT-SHIFT changes the layout. I have no idea w= hy, > and I see no reason why, since I told X that the layout needs to be cha= nged > when I press only ONE of the ALT keys (and I have not mentioned which o= ne, > so both should be okay) and the SHIFT key. It's very troublesome, and I= > don't want to hold down both ALTs instead of just one of them. The same= > setting used to work when I was using Xfce 4.2 on top of X.org 6.9. > Any ideas? > =20 Are you running the latest version of the x11/xkeyboard-config port (1.0_1)? The most recent update fixed a number of isses related to keyboard layouts. (See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D947832+0+/usr/local/www/db/= text/2007/cvs-ports/20070729.cvs-ports ). Cheers, --=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --------------enig59A76D7AE7D6961EDD8DE31E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGty+HXhc68WspdLARAkIvAKCC6gwGqE2VOl4k5y0RRkM2uXIFewCgjWuy GjLyB/R+RPC8UyKq1vz7Cpo= =ZVT/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig59A76D7AE7D6961EDD8DE31E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 14:36:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EB016A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@chrismaness.com) Received: from ns1.kq6up.org (adsl-76-238-148-145.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [76.238.148.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F8113C4A8 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@chrismaness.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([192.168.1.2]) by ns1.kq6up.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l76Ea2Sn065574 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@chrismaness.com) Message-ID: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:35:56 -0700 From: Chris Maness User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: The best photo gallerie software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:36:06 -0000 What is the best ap for producing photo galleries in the ports. I would like to have one that can accept users and create separate albums that can either be public or private. Thanks -- Chris Maness (909) 223-9179 http://www.chrismaness.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 14:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5756016A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [81.2.252.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0F213C478 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C6AA49B3D; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:39:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RilJ1Px11iDI; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.186] (catv-5063f539.catv.broadband.hu [80.99.245.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1ACA499BB; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46B73288.6040803@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:39:04 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Maness References: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> In-Reply-To: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The best photo gallerie software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:39:54 -0000 Chris Maness escribió: > What is the best ap for producing photo galleries in the ports. I > would like to have one that can accept users and create separate > albums that can either be public or private. > I love www/gallery2. Unfortunately I cannot show you my album, as I'm facing DNS issues, so my page is unreachable, but if you google for it, I suppose you will find something. Regards, -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org .:|:. gabor@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:00:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1823716A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDF913C461 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l76EvSbH064803; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:57:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l76EvQcr064802; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:57:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:57:26 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Victor Sudakov Message-ID: <20070806145726.GA64755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:00:50 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:56:15AM +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > What is it? > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > problem? > > Here is another example: > > [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN > ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape > expected next file 267, got 4 > expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 Using 'dump -L' doesn't prevent you or something running on the system from deleting a file after the directory has been created and written. The first thing dump does is create a list of files (including directories) to dump. It creates a list of inodes for the files and then does all the dumping from that list of inodes. If a file is then deleted after that inode list is made, then it will not get written to the dump media. But, the list will still have the inode for the file. When restore looks for files, it searches in inode order and makes a note if an inode is missing from the media that it expected (because of the list) to be there. It is only a true error if that file really should have been there and wasn't. The only time I have had that happen was when the media (tape) couldn't be read properly. Usually then you also get other errors. ////jerry > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:16:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC9016A420 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3526213C45B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l76FGjho075706 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l76FGeYM063900 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l76FGefQ063899 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200708061516.l76FGefQ063899@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20070806070640.7F02.GERARD-SEIBERT@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:16:46 -0000 > > On August 06, 2007 at 02:55AM Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > > [snip} > > > Ok. But I part of my question to people , and reason for posting it > > here, is the old "Is anyone else seeing this". When/if you use portupgrade, does > > it do the same for you? Or is it just something that I happened some how to inherit > > on atleast 2 of my machines? > > I have noticed the same behavior. I have some 815 ports installed; > however, I had not noticed any significant deterioration in > performance. > Ok, so someone else is seeing it... Its not "performance" I'm worried about though. For the laptop, its just sitting and watching it go through 915 files for an update to a small program that doesn't rely on anything but perl. For my Soekris, it IS bothersome. CF cards have a limited life, and all those rewrites decrease it. So I guess its the new way it does it then. Tuc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:18:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8368416A46D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@violetlan.net) Received: from mail.violetlan.net (ns2.violetlan.net [80.81.242.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C2113C4B3 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@violetlan.net) Received: from mail.violetlan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.violetlan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5471144C; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:18:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.violetlan.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 240431144B; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:18:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on scurvy.violetlan.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 Received: from www.violetlan.net (mbali.violetlan.net [10.0.100.150]) by mail.violetlan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B58E11448; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:18:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 192.33.238.14 (SquirrelMail authenticated user freebsd@violetlan.net) by www.violetlan.net with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <31695.192.33.238.14.1186413498.squirrel@www.violetlan.net> In-Reply-To: <46B73288.6040803@FreeBSD.org> References: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> <46B73288.6040803@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:18:18 +0200 (CEST) From: "Reinhold" To: "Gabor Kovesdan" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The best photo gallerie software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:18:15 -0000 I will also recomment www/gallery2 I'm using it on my site with a custom theme. I also have a few users that makes use of it to host there images and then linking them to forums. You can find more info on there website at http://gallery.menalto.com/ and if you want to have a look at what I've done you can go to http://gallery.violetlan.net/main.php On Mon, August 6, 2007 16:39, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Chris Maness escribió: > >> What is the best ap for producing photo galleries in the ports. I >> would like to have one that can accept users and create separate albums >> that can either be public or private. >> > I love www/gallery2. Unfortunately I cannot show you my album, as I'm > facing DNS issues, so my page is unreachable, but if you google for it, I > suppose you will find something. > > Regards, > > > -- > Gabor Kovesdan > FreeBSD Volunteer > > > EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org .:|:. gabor@kovesdan.org > WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:28:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC73B16A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84DD13C46A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B325EBC78; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:28:01 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <20070806112801.986d8609.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20070806145726.GA64755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806145726.GA64755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions , Victor Sudakov Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:28:03 -0000 In response to Jerry McAllister : > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:56:15AM +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > > > What is it? > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > problem? > > > > Here is another example: > > > > [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN > > ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape > > expected next file 267, got 4 > > expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 > > Using 'dump -L' doesn't prevent you or something running on the system > from deleting a file after the directory has been created and written. > > The first thing dump does is create a list of files (including directories) > to dump. It creates a list of inodes for the files and then does all > the dumping from that list of inodes. If a file is then deleted after > that inode list is made, then it will not get written to the dump media. > But, the list will still have the inode for the file. When restore > looks for files, it searches in inode order and makes a note if an > inode is missing from the media that it expected (because of the list) to > be there. It is only a true error if that file really should have been > there and wasn't. The only time I have had that happen was when the > media (tape) couldn't be read properly. Usually then you also get > other errors. Ok, but using -L causes dump to create a filesystem snapshot, which is read- only, meaning that nobody can delete a file from it during the dump process. My guess would be that something is causing the snapshot to fail, which will cause dump to issue a warning and then continue without making a snapshot. Can you provide the output of dump while doing the dump? -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:46:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8B916A4E5 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:46:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39F813C467 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:46:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: by Dr.Web (R) daemon for FreeBSD, v4.33 at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [172.16.138.125] (account sudakovva@sibptus.tomsk.ru HELO admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 8370813 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:46:45 +0700 Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l76Fkiqm027917 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:46:44 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru using -f Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:46:44 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806154644.GA27829@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806145726.GA64755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20070806112801.986d8609.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070806112801.986d8609.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://vas.tomsk.ru/vas.asc Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:46:50 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > > > Here is another example: > > > > > > [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN > > > ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape > > > expected next file 267, got 4 > > > expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 [dd] > > My guess would be that something is causing the snapshot to fail, which > will cause dump to issue a warning and then continue without making a > snapshot. It is not likely. > Can you provide the output of dump while doing the dump? [root@big ~] dump -b64 -0La /var DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Mon Aug 6 22:43:07 2007 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/mirror/gm1s1f (/var) to /dev/nsa0 DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 21553084 tape blocks. DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:51:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6226916A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E5013C48D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: by Dr.Web (R) daemon for FreeBSD, v4.33 at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [172.16.138.125] (account sudakovva@sibptus.tomsk.ru HELO admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 8370864 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:51:43 +0700 Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l76FphXg027958 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:51:43 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru using -f Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:51:42 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070806155142.GB27829@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806145726.GA64755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070806145726.GA64755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://vas.tomsk.ru/vas.asc Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:51:48 -0000 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > > > What is it? > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > problem? > > > > Here is another example: > > > > [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN > > ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape > > expected next file 267, got 4 > > expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 > > Using 'dump -L' doesn't prevent you or something running on the system > from deleting a file after the directory has been created and written. Excuse me? 'dump -L' creates a snapshot which is (or should be) a frozen copy of the filesystem, and then dumps the snapshot. > > The first thing dump does is create a list of files (including directories) > to dump. It creates a list of inodes for the files and then does all > the dumping from that list of inodes. If a file is then deleted after > that inode list is made, then it will not get written to the dump media. How can a file be deleted from a snapshot? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:53:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E2216A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21D613C45B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (sky_cpfw-1.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.130]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB6BA081A; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:53:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46B743DE.4010205@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:53:02 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User questions Subject: Re: Installing from USB Flash Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:53:06 -0000 Written by fbsd2 on 08/06/07 09:08>> > > >> You are correct, there is no option for a USB flash drive for your >> installation media. However, it is not a show stopper - you have the >> "file system" media option. You should mount the flash disk and use this >> option. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Reid Linnemann > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:54 AM > To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com > Cc: Ross Penner; User questions > Subject: Re: Installing from USB Flash Drive > > When booting the USB flash drive which contains the install cd1 iso you go > into sysinstall by default. > There is no way to stay in the sysinstall pgm and issue a mount command for > da0 that I can find. > Exiting sysinstall just causes a reboot and you are right back at point you > just left. > > Please explain how to mount USB flash drive when it's all ready used to boot > from. > > As I recall, the system starts up a shell on ttyv3 and you also have the root menu option "Fixit" to enter a shell. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 16:36:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E0E16A41B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (Mail-03.name-services.com [64.74.223.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FDB13C465 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd2@a1poweruser.com) Received: from laptop ([76.190.247.202]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:38:59 -0700 From: "fbsd2" To: "Reid Linnemann" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <46B743DE.4010205@cs.okstate.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2007 16:38:59.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[49E703F0:01C7D848] Cc: User questions Subject: RE: Installing from USB Flash Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:36:12 -0000 Written by fbsd2 on 08/06/07 09:08>> > > >> You are correct, there is no option for a USB flash drive for your >> installation media. However, it is not a show stopper - you have the >> "file system" media option. You should mount the flash disk and use this >> option. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Reid Linnemann > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:54 AM > To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com > Cc: Ross Penner; User questions > Subject: Re: Installing from USB Flash Drive > > When booting the USB flash drive which contains the install cd1 iso you go > into sysinstall by default. > There is no way to stay in the sysinstall pgm and issue a mount command for > da0 that I can find. > Exiting sysinstall just causes a reboot and you are right back at point you > just left. > > Please explain how to mount USB flash drive when it's all ready used to boot > from. > > As I recall, the system starts up a shell on ttyv3 and you also have the root menu option "Fixit" to enter a shell. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Reid Linnemann Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:53 AM To: fbsd2@a1poweruser.com Cc: User questions Subject: Re: Installing from USB Flash Drive I already tried that. Fixit starts tty4 and I issued mount /dev/da0 /mnt and got "mount not found" Alt f2 is the default debug session and mount /dev/da0 /mnt worked from there, but still no joy. When sysinstall try's to get the source to install it says unable to transfer distribution source from ufs. Still looks like a showstopper to me. I am ready submitted a bug report to add USB-dd as supported install media in sysinstall. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 17:09:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF0616A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34BD13C45D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so457425nzf for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Jx5OyaUVwQaLHmRtFFZPoXypfJV6eIv9uc71X0yuSw2ZLcmKfrVVePZ1Z6TOAuUUc8QBZwg+8UelGpNKMdSnRDNyjL4zal7E8/2RydP4I2beR0DQsxZtn8qKRhr+9dCdYvpdLcjlowve898hmxy13vIuAlJH5XApRXrkvYPX10Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Xn6AVD6ibjSWS50p6j8ecKaa6L8MOuf5MvHRVYb+cF0C4hNan91BCVGMF3KgKzxBErL6Z5PcGnaPyHCiiEwVPIIsOYARbFm9VHb9faa/MaY0zA9SI2RqrD9Q18jgV5e7Ky8thQZRzu+7gEOr6hbrK7diMGC/XCsarbhY0sr9Grw= Received: by 10.65.194.13 with SMTP id w13mr9152836qbp.1186420168820; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708061009h6a61b7c4s78bf821ad8a9a077@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:09:28 -0500 From: Novembre To: "Michael Nottebrock" In-Reply-To: <46B72F85.70205@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b47caa90708041410s30f87f52g4d928c928e5f0eb0@mail.gmail.com> <46B72F85.70205@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keyboard layout change in Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:09:30 -0000 On 8/6/07, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > Novembre schrieb: > > I have Xfce 4.4.1_1 on top of X.org 7.2 running on FreeBSD > > 6.2-RELEASEinstalled on a Pentium III-S > > 1.4GHz machine. > > The problem is that the ALT keys are not working when using XkbLayout > option > > in xorg.conf when I put the following lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > > > > Option "XkbLayout" "us,ir" > > Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" > > > > With these options, single ALT keys do not work, and I mean not just in > > changing the keyboard layout, but anywhere! For example, ALT-TAB which > > should change the current window does not work anymore. I have found out > > that in this case, i.e. using XkbLayout option, if I press both ALT keys > at > > the same time, it'll do work! So, LEFTALT-RIGHTALT-TAB changes the > current > > window, and LEFTALT-RIGHTALT-SHIFT changes the layout. I have no idea > why, > > and I see no reason why, since I told X that the layout needs to be > changed > > when I press only ONE of the ALT keys (and I have not mentioned which > one, > > so both should be okay) and the SHIFT key. It's very troublesome, and I > > don't want to hold down both ALTs instead of just one of them. The same > > setting used to work when I was using Xfce 4.2 on top of X.org 6.9. > > Any ideas? > > > Are you running the latest version of the x11/xkeyboard-config port > (1.0_1)? The most recent update fixed a number of isses related to > keyboard layouts. (See > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=947832+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2007/cvs-ports/20070729.cvs-ports > ). > > Cheers, > -- > ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org > (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org > \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org > > > > Thanks so much. I did a 'portupgrade xkeyboard-config' to the latest version, and that fixed the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 17:31:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308A516A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB24D13C45B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so2767268pye for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N7DHcijeVztM+q02AxdSbaV5s8AQbmz2sJ1J2l/EYDbHCO2RNJW7houdMUzw076AdwyIDZOzMS1/RfTa2BYSPrjCuf0XMvC0axRQOPb++2nWkMyEZ/YFsNXqKbeNNCKqI7ITgq5F/2Qde28fbNbe2GDK0GOSuFVSGy2Uv7LPyPU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p8WF0cWBbRXTu94FnOMQADkLOzUl5pEVozFF9QSIeACnKb4FyGBUhJylObOzRgcXxplpwlCrfAkh0DjWkadplSKIwBS1rDuk1k2GSohG1Tm4n1Fv8J/yJ/KS3dzNjaJlvevSkNxuFJUbXnGAqMGEIekS94u3ihuRjCxy3Ydz8d0= Received: by 10.35.62.19 with SMTP id p19mr10162410pyk.1186421493096; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.67.17 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <105fa37b0708061031k3579ed16ycfd14c5a4239dcbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:31:33 -0400 From: "Hakan K" To: "Chris Maness" In-Reply-To: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The best photo gallerie software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:31:34 -0000 Top ranking galleries on SF... http://gallery.menalto.com/ http://coppermine-gallery.net/ http://linpha.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Thanks Hakan http://dominor.com On 8/6/07, Chris Maness wrote: > > What is the best ap for producing photo galleries in the ports. I would > like to have one that can accept users and create separate albums that > can either be public or private. > > Thanks > > -- > Chris Maness > (909) 223-9179 > http://www.chrismaness.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 18:08:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00D516A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgmayo@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (mail.bloomfield.K12.MO.US [204.184.27.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BFD13C46E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgmayo@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (localhost.bloomfield.k12.mo.us [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605279581E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 204.184.27.217 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sgmayo) by mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4092.204.184.27.217.1186422675.squirrel@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:51:15 -0500 (CDT) From: sgmayo@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: reconfigure php with a port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:08:35 -0000 I installed php with the ports option. I see in the php.ini file where I can turn Zlib on, but this has no effect. From what I have read I assume that I need to reconfigure php --with-zlib. I tried a 'make config' from the ports directory, but it tells me that there are no options to configure. I guess that I need to know exactly how to pass the '--with-zlib' to the port configure or how to get an option so that I can choose zlib. Thanks. Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 18:13:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA7B16A418 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4126713C469 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76IDYbh062477; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:13:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1186424015; bh=JxmQwH8pP80EwM AdObou7EBDclSKwuPYRbWd+PQrPOg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Organization: User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc: Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version: References:To; b=ah8hRr7mJDPOadwqRtda9KN6zqpl2kkDT0YI/Il18eFNTfQik HgmsS6UHbLBeAnjwApCbyVJ2mvGs70dJU22XmCL/U0KBYW7ytYz5RrTpshbz7by1WbO ZltavB+UT2jivIGGzp78tWGuf3pGjb1uiOF2ApG5IrW5L2AXBws7c8U= Message-ID: <46B764CE.3070401@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:13:34 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgmayo@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us References: <4092.204.184.27.217.1186422675.squirrel@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us> In-Reply-To: <4092.204.184.27.217.1186422675.squirrel@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:13:35 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3878/Mon Aug 6 17:24:41 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reconfigure php with a port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:13:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 sgmayo@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us wrote: > I installed php with the ports option. I see in the php.ini file where I > can turn Zlib on, but this has no effect. From what I have read I assume > that I need to reconfigure php --with-zlib. > > I tried a 'make config' from the ports directory, but it tells me that > there are no options to configure. > > I guess that I need to know exactly how to pass the '--with-zlib' to the > port configure or how to get an option so that I can choose zlib. php in FreeBSD is modularized. Simply install the archivers/php5-zlib port and restart Apache. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGt2TO8Mjk52CukIwRCN6iAJ0dDuVjHyGr8Zz7Qcfwne/TAQljLQCeIGiQ wBaLQ8dMZ6IoN8300muIyYw= =8ZLI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 20:01:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3012016A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp8.server.rpi.edu (smtp8.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6D113C47E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp8.server.rpi.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76Ii1Xk023591; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:44:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> References: <200708060655.l766tYah055101@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:44:00 -0400 To: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam scanning disabled X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.228 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: portupgrade modifys EVERY +CONTENTS now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:01:31 -0000 At 2:55 AM -0400 8/6/07, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > > Ok. But I part of my question to people , and reason for >posting it here, is the old "Is anyone else seeing this". When/if >you use portupgrade, does it do the same for you? Or is it just >something that I happened some how to inherit on at least 2 of >my machines? I've noticed it, but I've also noticed that it does not happen every time. I had one case were I did a portupgrade of a specific set of components, and later I noticed that all the directories under /var/db/pkg had been modified. I did a 'portupgrade -f' of the exact same components, and this time the only directories which changed were the ones which were upgraded. While the behavior seems odd, it has not caused any problems for me, so I haven't done much investigation of it. (the above paragraph describes almost all of the investigation that I have done...) Warner Losh also stumbled into this, in a recent case where he ended up losing all subdirectories of /var/db/pkg due to a system crash during a portupgrade. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosehn@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 20:08:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA7016A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:08:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mse_software@charter.net) Received: from mtao02.charter.net (mtao02.charter.net [209.225.8.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D3E13C465 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mse_software@charter.net) Received: from aa04.charter.net ([10.20.200.156]) by mtao02.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070806200856.WYGO16610.mtao02.charter.net@aa04.charter.net>; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:08:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.101] (really [71.92.114.191]) by aa04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070806200856.XJQQ1254.aa04.charter.net@[192.168.10.101]>; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:08:56 -0400 From: "Michael S. Eubanks" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46B764CE.3070401@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4092.204.184.27.217.1186422675.squirrel@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us> <46B764CE.3070401@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:08:55 -0700 Message-Id: <1186430935.998.21.camel@yak.mseubanks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: Subject: Re: reconfigure php with a port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mse_software@charter.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:08:58 -0000 On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 19:13 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > sgmayo@mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us wrote: > > I installed php with the ports option. I see in the php.ini file where I > > can turn Zlib on, but this has no effect. From what I have read I assume > > that I need to reconfigure php --with-zlib. > > > > I tried a 'make config' from the ports directory, but it tells me that > > there are no options to configure. > > > > I guess that I need to know exactly how to pass the '--with-zlib' to the > > port configure or how to get an option so that I can choose zlib. > > php in FreeBSD is modularized. Simply install the > archivers/php5-zlib port and restart Apache. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > - -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > Kent, CT11 9PW You may want to take a look at the php5-extensions port as well under lang/php5-extensions. You may select Zlib in addition to other php5 extensions with a simple make install. -Michael S. Eubanks mse_software@charter.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 20:17:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DC116A419 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cb@severious.net) Received: from ion.gank.org (ion.gank.org [69.55.238.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9718713C459 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cb@severious.net) Received: by ion.gank.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4081810F4E; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:17:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:17:15 -0500 From: Craig Boston To: Graham Bentley Message-ID: <20070806201702.GA16758@nowhere> Mail-Followup-To: Craig Boston , Graham Bentley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070806100825.GB893@cpcnw.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070806100825.GB893@cpcnw.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Phone Charging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:17:16 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 11:08:25AM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: > My Blackberry mobile phone refuses to charge from USB > when logged into FreeBSD. For some reason that I'm not 100% clear on, the USB configuration has to be activated before the blackberry will charge. My first thought was that the port would go into a power-save mode if there was no driver attached. However those little USB lamps and such manage to bleed quite a bit of power off the port and don't require a driver, so I'm not so sure... In any case, OpenBSD has a dummy driver that I ported over a while back. It's in my local tree; here is a copy that's been extracted so that it can be compiled standalone: http://www.severious.net/uberry.tar.gz Just extract the tarball, cd into the uberry dir, and run 'make'. It will create a .ko file that you can put in your /boot/modules/. Load it like any other kernel module and you should be good the next time you plug it in. Craig From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 23:01:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597D516A417 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: from mail.mraentertainment.com (243-145-222-203.static.techex.net.au [203.222.145.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7B813C45A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:01:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hburton@mraentertainment.com) Received: (qmail 22323 invoked by uid 80); 6 Aug 2007 23:01:09 -0000 Received: from 203.206.217.188 (SquirrelMail authenticated user hburton@mraentertainment.com) by mail.mraentertainment.com with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:01:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <49525.203.206.217.188.1186441269.squirrel@mail.mraentertainment.com> In-Reply-To: References: <46B6B171.5000708@riderway.com> <1918FC18-18E2-4163-A78A-6EA4A807BCE5@mraentertainment.com> <98148EE5-2AE8-4EF3-8CF3-225CAF8C07C9@mraentertainment.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:01:09 +1000 (EST) From: hburton@mraentertainment.com To: "illoai@gmail.com" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large Volumes - 2.2TB missing... expecting 3.4TB! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:01:14 -0000 Thanks for the help. I will look into that further ;) > On 06/08/07, Hartleigh Burton wrote: >> >> Thanks for the tip. >> >> # /dev/da1s1: >> 8 partitions: >> # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] >> c: 3029130401 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, >> don't edit >> d: 3029130401 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 >> >> Unfortunately for me, I do not really know what I am looking at here. >> > > I just noticed from man 8 bsdlabel: > > COMPATIBILITY > Due to the use of an u_int32_t to store the number of sectors, BSD > labels > are restricted to a maximum of 2^32-1 sectors. This usually means > 2TB of > disk space. Larger disks should be partitioned using another method > such > as gpt(8). > > I suspect this applies to amd64. man 8 fdisk makes no > mention of data size problems, but I would suspect it as > well. > > -- > -- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 00:17:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B7016A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:17:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1186876815.7ac832@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8468513C481 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1186876815.7ac832@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7700F4H028956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:00:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1186876815.7ac832@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.14.1/Submit) id l7700Fwx028955 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:00:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1186876815.7ac832@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1186876815.7ac832@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:00:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:00:10 -0400 To: Nikola Lecic Message-ID: <20070807000010.GA28680@skytracker.ca> References: <20070805164403.GA88838@skytracker.ca> <200708060429.l764Toou007190@eunet.yu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708060429.l764Toou007190@eunet.yu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: David Banning X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3878/Mon Aug 6 12:24:41 2007 on 3s1.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on 3s1.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apsfilter setup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:17:21 -0000 > You should let apsfilter SETUP program to add the entry in printcap (you > wrote that you added it yourself). It should be marked with something > like: > > # APS1_BEGIN:printer1 > # - don't delete start label for apsfilter printer1 > # - no other printer defines between BEGIN and END LABEL > [...] > # APS1_END - don't delete this I didn't post the whole thing - but it actually does have the apsfilter start and end entries. > Apart from this, your printcap details seem good. However, the problem > you described could be related to permissions. You run SETUP program as > root, but you try to print as an ordinary user, I guess. Please check > permissions/ownership of samba-client configuration file > under /usr/local/etc/apsfilter/. # cd /usr/local/etc/apsfilter # ls -tl total 46 -rw-r----- 1 root daemon 416 Aug 6 19:47 SETUP.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18750 Aug 6 19:45 perf.log lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 26 Aug 6 19:42 basedir -> /usr/local/share/apsfi lter drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 3 17:22 aps1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 7 2006 lp drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 7 2006 brother drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Jan 24 2006 lp2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Jan 24 2006 aps2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 22 2003 raw2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 22 2003 raw -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8794 Aug 22 2003 apsfilterrc I tried to print as root also, but so luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 01:50:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6DD16A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 01:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB8B13C45A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 01:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: by Dr.Web (R) daemon for FreeBSD, v4.33 at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [172.16.138.125] (account sudakovva@sibptus.tomsk.ru HELO admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 8374344 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:50:39 +0700 Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l771odJr039378 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:50:39 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru using -f Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:50:38 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070807015038.GA39353@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806110518.GA8074@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070806110518.GA8074@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://vas.tomsk.ru/vas.asc Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:50:42 -0000 cpghost wrote: > > > > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > > > > > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > > > > > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > > > > > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > > > > > > > > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > > > > > > > > > What is it? > > > > > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > > > problem? > > > > > > I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the > > > same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, > > > > I gave an example below. The file "wins.dat" was not dumped. It is > > indeed missing from the tape. > > > > If this is not a data loss, what is it then? > > > > [root@big ~] restore -b64 -rN > > ./spool/samba.lock/wins.dat: (inode 2829098) not found on tape > > expected next file 267, got 4 > > expected next file 2828988, got 2828987 > > Uh-oh :-(. I have no idea how the code works, but just a wild guess: > what happens when a file is being created and a snapshot taken at the > same time? I would very much like to know that. Creating a snapshot can take several minutes on a large modern HDD. Many files can be changed during those minutes. > Isn't there a tiny window between inode creation and > directory update? Or is file creation an atomic operation w.r.t. > snapshots and dump? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 02:04:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B473516A468 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F45A13C46E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7724TMU061192 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:04:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:04:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46B71809.4040704@cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <46B71809.4040704@cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708062104.29424.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:04:32 -0000 On Monday 06 August 2007 07:46:01 Christopher Key wrote: > Hello, > > I'm about to install FreeBSD for the first time on a new machine and > have a few questions: > > 1) The motherboard is an Intel DQ964GF, which uses the ICH8 chipset. Is > it better to use this in IDE or AHCI mode? (The system will be booting > from a S-ATA disk) > > 2) Are there any good documents discussing the relative merits of using > i386 / amd64? > > 3) Does anyone have any good suggestions on how to perform the > installation. The machine has no floppy or CD-ROM drive, and it's not > really convenient to temporarily add them as I may well end up going > through the install procedure several times. The options seem to be > either a USB flash drive (any thoughts on how to get a UFS file system > and FreeBSD MBR on there using only WinXP), or via the network. > > Any advice much appreciated, > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" i was in process of building a system on that same board (but mine was 965?) last week, and tho i didnt take the time to troubleshoot the issue, i never could get the actual install to copy the data to the drive. the cdrom drive kept saying acd15 (or something like that, instead of the norm acd0). long story short, i picked my board from from ebay, and the thermal sensors were trashed. the board always read 85-87C, and had a chronic thermal'ing problem. (thankfully, the seller took it back with a refund). but, the problem i was having wit the cdrom drive was not looking like it was going to be a pleasant one. -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 02:59:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF33F16A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A950F13C465 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so2995430pye for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:59:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CNgPqCsJOaoP7lFXBhYwtk86JSvzCf0oakDzr35C02HGZiJ8pKoT970y3wezBJkYDA2ooxNLRJwdy43OgOFUL1uTNWB6zJi6crZOcZnjXqrvNZU9hTHVlQfnRI8xjTITuHEaSaxeh1LdS7jhBTbnQFrnPHp97LAK97wCl/BceTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=i4larbRu7r8leahPPsVsiJMcxSw4dWX2BzMHHSNab1HdXkNLIcmYUPUQQsRfDOYvlVLWYa06hkDtDp/QOnEmpDcJtuJdhSWEf+qincD+s1n3HJjyXmAT/9FsmSkCN/F6K4spX04NpccD1ikqk9TXY4tgdU6sFw1O24c+pqS0mqY= Received: by 10.65.189.20 with SMTP id r20mr9886898qbp.1186455591235; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:59:51 -0500 From: Novembre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:59:53 -0000 Hi, I have a problem mounting my NTFS partition at boot using ntfs-3g. A little search got me to add the following ntfsmount startup script to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ ---------- #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: ntfsmount # REQUIRE: fusefs . /etc/rc.subr name="ntfsmount" rcvar=`set_rcvar` command="ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows && ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows -o locale=en_US.UTF-8" load_rc_config $name run_rc_command "$1" ---------- and then to run " chmod +x /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ntfsmount " in order to make it executable. After that, I added the line ntfsmount_enable="YES" to my /etc/rc.conf, and then rebooted. I did not see any error messages during boot, but the partition was not mounted. However, if I run ntfs-3g from the command prompt to mount the windows partition, it works. I am using fusefs-kmod-0.3.0_5 fusefs-libs-2.7.0_1 fusefs-ntfs-1.710 Any ideas what's going on here? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 04:19:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E185416A421 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from exhub015-1.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-1.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6504213C459 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from home.p6m7g8.net (68.55.4.133) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.730.1; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:19:56 -0700 Message-ID: <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:21:12 -0400 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Novembre References: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:20:00 -0000 Novembre wrote: > rcvar=`set_rcvar` That should be rcvar=${name}_enable Because of this, your script did not run because the rc system didn't detect it correctly. Try setting rc_debug="YES" and/or rc_info="YES" in /etc/rc.conf to see more of whats happening. > command="ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows && ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 > /mnt/windows -o locale=en_US.UTF-8" Also $command is special, you should use another variable $command_args (which is also special) for the arguments/options. Of course, you can circument these if you know what you are doing. When in doubt, look at other rc scripts like apache22's or others that might seem like they would do a lot. Finally, in /etc/rc.subr is _very_ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 07:04:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBB516A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771D713C428 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 3604 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2007 02:04:20 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Aug 2007 02:04:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:04:13 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Hakan K" Message-ID: <20070807170413.646a6465@localhost> In-Reply-To: <105fa37b0708061031k3579ed16ycfd14c5a4239dcbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B731CC.3040606@chrismaness.com> <105fa37b0708061031k3579ed16ycfd14c5a4239dcbd@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chris Maness , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The best photo gallerie software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:04:21 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:31:33 -0400 "Hakan K" wrote: Gallery is nice, but if you plan to run it in a shared hosting environment, be careful because it uses extensive amount of system() calls - which, at least in my servers, are forbidden. Maybe they've changed that recently, but it was like that when I test it. > http://coppermine-gallery.net/ CPG is really good - u can have different users,etc. worth the time learning how to set it up. _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "It's not what you do, it's the love you put into it." Mother Theresa. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 07:10:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094AE16A420 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8522013C4A6 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1889596fka for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:10:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J+61LazKzeDX6gfa/ap8eZvq5X7v4Xe8BhVxSIEelurpLaO1phzN6Sw3/XR5aZMo7RAVXTF7qUDQpt+u4ikg7Zlk6b3AfIksgO1NfY6qHZS66OdvZ87/hYBFFGO2f39aOUje+twmKy3C+NsHni6+c4u2/txq6br+VTGSAIOAkb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k5uX3Wtap/rGq2DBSeSynGiXbptHegAXuB8SIMX46s2lSo/I4w00F7fNWpu0OlZzLlN30NxVvWzMNq8lalC1U2dKXX3W8GnfKP01LMMRHhhU/M3QokOQjHWqtl2RsTrMoVQe+/WxgP8RyrX4fe20OfEpikj05f2XMU8ksk0u08o= Received: by 10.82.181.10 with SMTP id d10mr6326734buf.1186470618026; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:10:17 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Victor Sudakov" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070807015038.GA39353@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806110518.GA8074@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <20070807015038.GA39353@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Cc: Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:10:20 -0000 On 06/08/07, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the > > > > same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, > > > > > > I gave an example below. The file "wins.dat" was not dumped. It is > > > indeed missing from the tape. > > > > > > If this is not a data loss, what is it then? > > > Not to perpetuate an argument for its own sake, but I suppose I meant "data loss" to mean the loss of files that _should_ exist, as opposed to files that _could_ exist. A fine line, but in my /laissez faire/ universe a quite salient one. As to whether wins.dat should exist is beyond me. If you believe it should, then that would be data loss by my metric. I apologise for any confusion, -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 07:18:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F4A16A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92EE13C458 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: by Dr.Web (R) daemon for FreeBSD, v4.33 at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [172.16.138.125] (account sudakovva@sibptus.tomsk.ru HELO admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPSA id 8378940 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:18:06 +0700 Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l777I6D2042508 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:18:06 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru using -f Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:18:05 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070807071805.GA42466@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806110518.GA8074@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <20070807015038.GA39353@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://vas.tomsk.ru/vas.asc Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:18:10 -0000 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the > > > > > same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, > > > > > > > > I gave an example below. The file "wins.dat" was not dumped. It is > > > > indeed missing from the tape. > > > > > > > > If this is not a data loss, what is it then? > > > > > > Not to perpetuate an argument for its own sake, > but I suppose I meant "data loss" to mean the loss > of files that _should_ exist, as opposed to files that > _could_ exist. A fine line, but in my /laissez faire/ > universe a quite salient one. > > As to whether wins.dat should exist is beyond me. > If you believe it should, then that would be data loss If it (or any other file) does exist in the filesystem, it should exist also in the backup. Otherwise we have a defective backup. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 08:52:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531C316A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFE313C457 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l778qAGj016606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:52:10 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id l778qAwt062574; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:52:10 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:52:10 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Sudo clears the environment variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:52:18 -0000 Hi, On a new system that I am installing, I found out that the new version of sudo version 1.6.9p3 clears the environment variables. It was not the case on previous version like version 1.6.8p12. I tried to understand what is the configuration to perform like it was before, I tried to add the SETENV: tag like in on ALL=(ALL) SETENV: ALL but it is not working? Any clue? Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:04:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD6D16A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6007C13C478 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7794B6Z017136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:04:11 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id l7794BEO064504; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:04:11 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:04:11 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200708070904.l7794BEO064504@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: jhary@unsane.co.uk In-reply-to: <46B83486.3040203@unsane.co.uk> (message from Vince on Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:59:50 +0100) References: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <46B83486.3040203@unsane.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sudo clears the environment variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:04:14 -0000 > env_reset now seems to be on by default. you could turn it off if you > need to or fiddle with the env_keep and env_check lists. That's what I mean, how to turn it off. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:26:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6D116A468 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vps1.solepartners.com (vps1.solepartners.com [85.233.167.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3704013C45A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21549 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2007 08:59:51 -0000 Received: from 150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net (HELO prawn.unsane.co.uk) (212.84.117.150) by vps1.solepartners.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2007 08:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: <46B83486.3040203@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:59:50 +0100 From: Vince User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sudo clears the environment variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:26:33 -0000 Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > On a new system that I am installing, I found out that the new version > of sudo version 1.6.9p3 clears the environment variables. > > It was not the case on previous version like version 1.6.8p12. > > I tried to understand what is the configuration to perform like it was > before, I tried to add the SETENV: tag like in > > on ALL=(ALL) SETENV: ALL env_reset now seems to be on by default. you could turn it off if you need to or fiddle with the env_keep and env_check lists. Vince > > but it is not working? > > Any clue? > > Best regards, > > Olivier > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F66016A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174C113C480 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1920404fka for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BUsqjKM+2iZx3ZyXpcO3JRYGOCL/62Ev4DxHVvOEI426YZEIxZP/oNrCm3Dfwp+lywqdvM5fcD9ztKOM/Ca4wcNbpaymART4mC5gcQxSL/pb3rfcpicqFB1JP9vL3j9FuHTWSyQyzifCLF7JNK9iidgZy2WQFrhm1Fmq2hKMopY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rlylpmdwuGvavizCbYsyTIPuD5hJIIWdjxfJfHYJQVwqSKKh28nGf1dsUoGxw/sN9mi9T7tYNpaUHMc/EeV+ysUb8pB3VmPpCI23PdQuuY1QZCVL2GkZWRK9cykkU4fMJ9InbCumSqvU3NI+lz0/5QzenCbWrNEkxQD/xzCYBoc= Received: by 10.82.126.5 with SMTP id y5mr6479908buc.1186478919186; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:28:39 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Victor Sudakov" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070807071805.GA42466@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806025614.GA21368@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806071857.GA23813@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070806110518.GA8074@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <20070807015038.GA39353@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070807071805.GA42466@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Cc: Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:28:41 -0000 On 07/08/07, Victor Sudakov wrote: > illoai@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does nobody know the answer, or am I the only one experiencing the > > > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, but I get essentially the > > > > > > same behaviour. I have never seen any data loss, > > > > > > > > > > I gave an example below. The file "wins.dat" was not dumped. It is > > > > > indeed missing from the tape. > > > > > > > > > > If this is not a data loss, what is it then? > > > > > > > > > Not to perpetuate an argument for its own sake, > > but I suppose I meant "data loss" to mean the loss > > of files that _should_ exist, as opposed to files that > > _could_ exist. A fine line, but in my /laissez faire/ > > universe a quite salient one. > > > > As to whether wins.dat should exist is beyond me. > > If you believe it should, then that would be data loss > > If it (or any other file) does exist in the filesystem, it should > exist also in the backup. Otherwise we have a defective backup. You are begging the question. The functional definition of a live filesystem is one in which you cannot guarantee the state to be determineable across time. Snapshots might make it more likely, being faster, but they still have to work in time*. To put it another way: by the time any part of the system knows the state of any part of the system, it is wrong. I would like to point out that I am not saying that dump does not have a bug, but that this is not evidence in and of itself for it. *And no matter what anyone tells you, time is not infinitely divisible. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:31:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3245816A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vps1.solepartners.com (vps1.solepartners.com [85.233.167.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836E913C45E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5800 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2007 09:31:38 -0000 Received: from 150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net (HELO prawn.unsane.co.uk) (212.84.117.150) by vps1.solepartners.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2007 09:31:38 -0000 Message-ID: <46B83BF9.6040906@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:31:37 +0100 From: Vince User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <46B83486.3040203@unsane.co.uk> <200708070904.l7794BEO064504@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200708070904.l7794BEO064504@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sudo clears the environment variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:31:39 -0000 Olivier Nicole wrote: >> env_reset now seems to be on by default. you could turn it off if you >> need to or fiddle with the env_keep and env_check lists. > > That's what I mean, how to turn it off. > Sorry, a line like Defaults !env_reset in sudoers ought to do it or you can do it on a per user basis. see /usr/local/share/doc/sudo/UPGRADE Vince > Olivier > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:31:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066F916A41B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7F13C458 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l779Vfo1028591; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l779VfIV028588; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:31:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Victor Sudakov In-Reply-To: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Message-ID: <20070807113116.W28568@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:31:54 -0000 > > I always use "dump -L" to dump a live filesystem. > However, when I restore the dump, I sometimes get messages like > "foo.txt (inode 12345) not found on tape" or > "expected next file 12345, got 23456" i had it too, sometimes even restore is unable to restore well -1-9 dumps :( > > I thought this should _never_ happen when dumping a snapshot. > > What is it? > > Thanks in advance for any input. > I am ready to provide additional info if required to understand the > problem. > > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:32:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840E016A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D4B13C491 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l779W3k4028598; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:32:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l779W3fa028595; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:32:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:32:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20070724134431.GA57022@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> Message-ID: <20070807113147.O28568@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070724115401.GA1355@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20070724134431.GA57022@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions , Victor Sudakov Subject: Re: dump -L X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:32:15 -0000 >> "expected next file 12345, got 23456" > > I'm seeing this too. It's always exactly one inode per file system. not one, sometimes even tens. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 09:32:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237F716A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23A813C46A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1921252fka for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CaJzmgJT25Gla7NWWaxrHZOWO7lhqa98MA3ltXE/X3pw9gux3Y3rAPAx1X+mT/ZjLujjb4sV4xslHtvx/oRbJwgHuTHk4lUAzJ1cA40fUGa+GaKbKID03qCMwoWq3wWiZwGazDvFcim1KKI0+Ad5Ncm98oVgiwWvDrgN0Lq51Zc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TsIrf1k2H//lpA/5QVILoWy4n6K5izOpilt7siZThof+2BtbyaZuBC2sY5loUvfQ71pD7m71fDFRMuysOmGlensUzNMd9iAXM4FJLnACmt6rXJKonSAybvBGBPh+nHRx7HCUdbzQPYqg1RI6bz4Pi8hyMlJ+sE6wn2Ko7WYKig8= Received: by 10.82.181.10 with SMTP id d10mr6499055buf.1186479154528; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:32:34 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Olivier Nicole" In-Reply-To: <200708070904.l7794BEO064504@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <46B83486.3040203@unsane.co.uk> <200708070904.l7794BEO064504@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Cc: jhary@unsane.co.uk, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sudo clears the environment variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:32:36 -0000 On 07/08/07, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > env_reset now seems to be on by default. you could turn it off if you > > need to or fiddle with the env_keep and env_check lists. > > That's what I mean, how to turn it off. I added the line Defaults !env_reset to sudoers. You might want to put more restrictions on it. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 11:13:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4B016A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:13:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB51913C465 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from t60.mydomain.home (cpe-72-231-141-22.nycap.res.rr.com[72.231.141.22]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with ESMTP id <20070807111346111002li2ve>; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: <46B853E8.9040904@att.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:13:44 -0400 From: "Arend P. van der Veen" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "illoai@gmail.com" References: <200708070852.l778qAwt062574@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <46B83486.3040203@unsane.co.uk> <200708070904.l7794BEO064504@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , jhary@unsane.co.uk, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sudo clears the environment variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:13:58 -0000 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 07/08/07, Olivier Nicole wrote: >>> env_reset now seems to be on by default. you could turn it off if you >>> need to or fiddle with the env_keep and env_check lists. >> That's what I mean, how to turn it off. > > I added the line > > Defaults !env_reset > > to sudoers. You might want to put more > restrictions on it. > Hi, After "# Defaults specification" We added then line: Defaults env_keep=* Is this equivalent? Thanks, Arend From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 12:19:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BF116A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344CF13C47E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2333651waf for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:19:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tA87rmC8CY9IIT038053hPJO52GXnv3VAaWiNO/+OSdD823p4PxFLxiUkV4SRbMNPrT5npB7Uc7dKClAmG3Wtihc/ETYJa/NlChSmxoJPE0+rjq+n5mgPK/fjj/Yc1W93EV4lKu/C86Y8OiR9Q1Qcvc34/MfyYrBGSolvZhg5wQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ejc0sZGs1LXUKe78tIxIpUnpHhbMpTGQD9gLIQk2quY9sJEgH5QLt/qbhM1EBFleg+lbfdlIrhfluK7Wor6iD+ovWMFIf6nV15OlPe5aiLb33M6EreJZMuAp4dz2+LtvnXvTbazEqjPxoNMyEQvI0t6+iOrvEf0mbEL5JxjPVzE= Received: by 10.114.136.1 with SMTP id j1mr6671235wad.1186489153406; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.77.8 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 05:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:19:13 +0000 From: Subhro To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Frequency Stepping crashing Notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:19:14 -0000 Hello, I am running FreeBSD 6-STABLE on my notebook which is a HP nc6400. Everything was working fine till I enabled powerd to dynamiacally manage the CPU frequency. Since then the system has been crashing with 3 mins of completing booting. There is not errors indicated in the system log. Is there any known issues? Thanks Subhro -- Subhro Kar Software Engineer Dynamic Digital Technologies Pvt. Ltd. EPY-3, Sector: V Salt Lake City 700091 India From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:00:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF0F16A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BFF13C483 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from [192.168.1.37] (a89-182-11-238.net-htp.de [89.182.11.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2977A44529 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:57:50 +0200 (CEST) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:00:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> Subject: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:00:14 -0000 Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted to have a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... -- Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:02:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA42C16A421 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:02:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xyin@bluebottle.com) Received: from mi0.bluebottle.com (mi0.bluebottle.com [206.188.25.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95C413C468 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:02:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xyin@bluebottle.com) Received: from fe1.bluebottle.com (internal.bluebottle.com [206.188.24.43]) by mi0.bluebottle.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77D2D2R030353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:02:13 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=bluebottle.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:date:from:x-x-sender:to:subject:message-id: mime-version:content-type:x-trusted-delivery; b=DJaluAXEznslC6EX2veH/hnSs8DPNevHzS7ANvWYQJjdkyxAcm5Se+NBiOm2+KIMG MSoYMk5BwS8p0V7CgE7re0WqJwCkx9/+zVNIydY8x+uosDajM5DI/zYqIuK725N Received: from OHD12-8386.nws.noaa (ohd-8-124.nws.noaa.gov [140.90.8.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by fe1.bluebottle.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77D1wnO010516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:02:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:01:54 -0400 From: Xihong Yin X-X-Sender: CuiZ@OHD12-8386.nws.noaa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trusted-Delivery: <166560ba20383d7dc3f5a7c21d4682f7> Subject: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:02:14 -0000 How can I restart my network card without shutdown/reboot? I use DHCP. Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:03:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088DD16A469 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walsimou@walsimou.com) Received: from dns.walsimou.com (walscop001.walsimou.com [82.228.201.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4F113C46C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:03:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walsimou@walsimou.com) Received: from wals001FBSD.walsimou.com ([192.168.1.240]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by dns.walsimou.com with esmtp; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:03:28 +0200 id 000173A4.0000000046B86DA1.00001437 Message-ID: <46B86D7B.1020909@walsimou.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:02:51 +0200 From: Gaye Abdoulaye Walsimou User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> In-Reply-To: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:03:31 -0000 Heiko Wundram (Beenic) a écrit : > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted to have > a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... > > Yes it is I think regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:04:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ACB16A46B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) Received: from mail.familycareintl.org (mail.familycareintl.org [68.167.21.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1321613C45A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3A85D7EF44E1C744BF6434691F5659E9702DB9@www.fcimail.org> In-Reply-To: <46B86D7B.1020909@walsimou.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: www.freebsd.org down? Thread-Index: AcfY82YlxUvOB6CrTt2N1I6+gF5CqAAAAsdQ From: "Jean-Paul Natola" To: "Gaye Abdoulaye Walsimou" , Cc: Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:04:20 -0000 Working perfectly here -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gaye Abdoulaye Walsimou Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:03 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? Heiko Wundram (Beenic) a =E9crit : > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted = to have=20 > a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... > > =20 Yes it is I think regards _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:07:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE55716A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ACA13C46A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from t60.mydomain.home (cpe-72-231-141-22.nycap.res.rr.com[72.231.141.22]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20070807130701113008ut4se>; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:07:01 +0000 Message-ID: <46B86E73.60705@att.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:06:59 -0400 From: "Arend P. van der Veen" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" References: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> In-Reply-To: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:07:02 -0000 Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted to have > a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... > I have not been able to access www.freebsd.org all morning also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:07:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7D416A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7460F13C45A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from [192.168.1.37] (a89-182-11-238.net-htp.de [89.182.11.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20564A44529 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:05:11 +0200 (CEST) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:07:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> In-Reply-To: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708071507.30545.wundram@beenic.net> Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:07:33 -0000 Am Dienstag 07 August 2007 15:00:09 schrieb Heiko Wundram (Beenic): > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted to > have a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... Forget this. It's back up for me. -- Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:08:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098C816A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2EC13C45A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so3196888pye for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:08:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ql+y4WF0vps+wCgrI1X8EOhm3wg7zLyqINRs/nfcxWZu6RDauEwQ3HrnIyEzjPqjlDd9WcK2OtGxlbT2zr+HYpwjJVzlvjMiy7eAFrCciRZIlNVY0reXjScHBa4Q01/OsKFMxXqpTBd3PZsNEe2ehnsxUcVu+sj7aMJQGmynABQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qMhrcX2Ae8fRW1G9cKdfd8VPxPSEVDzVzpHrY7INfzPFh6Glkod9aH9XJuhnvoKA3H3o5ma7SKzIRxW8KjRGmsvDSChzE4/aHUvpd+CEYhEMpa0e/G8Saosb9ldJEWzG3PQPgQTf+azcCtsPr4VfQ1tSu/38Kj5duDdH1uXcqeY= Received: by 10.35.110.13 with SMTP id n13mr11621877pym.1186492117810; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.67.17 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <105fa37b0708070608t66099b81r1c6026dc87269998@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:08:37 -0400 From: "Hakan K" To: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" In-Reply-To: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:08:39 -0000 Nop, Pretty fast also .. :) Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/7/07, Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: > > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted to > have > a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... > > -- > Heiko Wundram > Product & Application Development > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:10:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F2816A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B662513C468 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so3197596pye for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:10:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BuZoUrJ0YJgPTD6HQ4qX+/A6RzoEEqoG54NkMGEIq2RoxRBW+39Z842Y61i/ba2tUIdogsNSrmCWBVQORIx2LYs8vXWkZQKjHj/E4H8gIgA4urcXxnSss5U/9vic694k0SB57Q52pTFnNsV7fq+3KQGdKrKeB+Kj3o/LPgR7ol0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Wtlk3LthJY8nWpXchFAgu4Te8Ize5c8xiejBjkveeUb6ty1iBuWTvbz2Lpoe22SMZ7y+q/axiZrIpOHyZbFymVF5/HUTB/cYTnCTk7BtI9u3njocQJ6LjGSGHfLQwhU04GYjkZr1/LDN6RqrHZgnjo5VUsH+qDBc46l2HtSHmpk= Received: by 10.35.36.13 with SMTP id o13mr11634180pyj.1186492222855; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.67.17 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <105fa37b0708070610i19e4af0fi1cfbed489e13a120@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:10:22 -0400 From: "Hakan K" To: "Arend P. van der Veen" In-Reply-To: <46B86E73.60705@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> <46B86E73.60705@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Heiko Wundram \(Beenic\)" , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:10:24 -0000 Locations.. ? I am located in Miami.. The site works ok ... Try to play with your DNS www.opendns.com Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/7/07, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: > > Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: > > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just wanted > to have > > a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... > > > I have not been able to access www.freebsd.org all morning also. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:11:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D9F16A421 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) Received: from mail.familycareintl.org (mail.familycareintl.org [68.167.21.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0989A13C45B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3A85D7EF44E1C744BF6434691F5659E9702DBA@www.fcimail.org> In-Reply-To: <105fa37b0708070610i19e4af0fi1cfbed489e13a120@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: www.freebsd.org down? Thread-Index: AcfY9Fp2eAHCSNMjS6y7+0oHWs0s5wAAA/Qw From: "Jean-Paul Natola" To: "Hakan K" , "Arend P. van der Veen" Cc: "Heiko Wundram \(Beenic\)" , FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:11:35 -0000 NYC here Try it by IP http://69.147.83.33/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Hakan K Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:10 AM To: Arend P. van der Veen Cc: Heiko Wundram (Beenic); FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? Locations.. ? I am located in Miami.. The site works ok ... Try to play with your DNS www.opendns.com Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/7/07, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: > > Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: > > Is anybody else experiencing www.freebsd.org to be down? I just = wanted > to have > > a look at the online handbook, but couldn't get at it... > > > I have not been able to access www.freebsd.org all morning also. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:13:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED5016A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walsimou@walsimou.com) Received: from dns.walsimou.com (walscop001.walsimou.com [82.228.201.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E61B13C469 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walsimou@walsimou.com) Received: from wals001FBSD.walsimou.com ([192.168.1.240]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by dns.walsimou.com with esmtp; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:13:58 +0200 id 000173A4.0000000046B87016.00001525 Message-ID: <46B86FF1.3050406@walsimou.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:13:21 +0200 From: Gaye Abdoulaye Walsimou User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <200708071500.09791.wundram@beenic.net> <46B86E73.60705@att.net> <105fa37b0708070610i19e4af0fi1cfbed489e13a120@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <105fa37b0708070610i19e4af0fi1cfbed489e13a120@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:14:00 -0000 It works fine for me now (from France). regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:33:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E2216A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1550113C45E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter99.comcast.net ([204.127.197.199]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070807132303m1200dht1ie>; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:23:03 +0000 Received: from [199.20.118.42] by rmailcenter99.comcast.net; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:23:03 +0000 From: bob.middaugh@comcast.net (Bob Middaugh) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:23:03 +0000 Message-Id: <080720071323.1290.46B87237000872190000050A221352857308099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Ym9iLm1pZGRhdWdoQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:33:34 -0000 I can get to www.freebsd.org, but not http://www4.us.freebsd.org/ (USA/2) or http://www2.us.freebsd.org/ (USA/1) and http://www5.us.freebsd.org/ (USA/3) gives me: It works! Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:36:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30D716A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walsimou@walsimou.com) Received: from dns.walsimou.com (walscop001.walsimou.com [82.228.201.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC7613C428 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walsimou@walsimou.com) Received: from wals001FBSD.walsimou.com ([192.168.1.240]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by dns.walsimou.com with esmtp; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:36:18 +0200 id 000173A4.0000000046B87552.000015DE Message-ID: <46B8752D.6080309@walsimou.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:35:41 +0200 From: Gaye Abdoulaye Walsimou User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <3A85D7EF44E1C744BF6434691F5659E9702DBA@www.fcimail.org> In-Reply-To: <3A85D7EF44E1C744BF6434691F5659E9702DBA@www.fcimail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:36:19 -0000 I have the following error now, when I try to search a port in http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ Regards Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request /GET /cgi/ports.cgi /. Reason: *Could not connect to remote machine: Connection refused* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 14:07:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123F016A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:07:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erazorbg@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2C413C465 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erazorbg@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so464568nfb for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EOSD5pG/quG6enyxkM7xM2+1Q5NZi1OqyZJ9SCeVGA6rWTbWRgqOA4dYEYzhaYnmkEUikXFPQ2q3d540rOSRuqA1/nVouhDBx/i/6UPXz4UeabLWDy+5Dbw8MLOdirsi0STlyyEZRkXzWlcXsWN8OTLfLkeNzjxkqS1QKs9xyMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EpjCrC2dC4ctF5tbDkQDgubGkE/VVQNFA2Rh7+vJMCFuNcknXwiuPW2TZFHDezVyHWxk5mzJNR60yOfqd7PBSSqNZvFl6PCG7dJgj6rf2D5d0B9GhTCHftuvEtzSCNtvAmy0rjG7K27pCY6HfJrMkH2T6zRiEbVK4Nx0B5YKhJQ= Received: by 10.78.193.5 with SMTP id q5mr1758297huf.1186493941129; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.191.10 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7cc8007f0708070639r4d9d7502naade1cf43cb3389d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:39:01 +0300 From: "Dimiter Ivanov" To: "Bob Middaugh" In-Reply-To: <080720071323.1290.46B87237000872190000050A221352857308099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <080720071323.1290.46B87237000872190000050A221352857308099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:07:36 -0000 On 8/7/07, Bob Middaugh wrote: > I can get to www.freebsd.org, but not http://www4.us.freebsd.org/ (USA/2) or http://www2.us.freebsd.org/ (USA/1) and http://www5.us.freebsd.org/ (USA/3) gives me: It works! > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Same here for the URLs u gave. The "It works!" is the starting page for apache22 i think.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 14:12:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F9616A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027C713C46A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l77D53ZV023952; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:05:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fbsd6xvm.omniresources.com (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l77D76hI009235; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:07:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Message-ID: <46B86E7A.1060802@polands.org> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:07:06 -0500 From: Doug Poland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070611) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xihong Yin References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/3880/Tue Aug 7 05:49:57 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:12:30 -0000 Xihong Yin wrote: > How can I restart my network card without shutdown/reboot? I use DHCP. > try /etc/rc.d/netif restart -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 15:19:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261F716A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ngharibyan@mail.ru) Received: from mx6.mail.ru (mx6.mail.ru [194.67.23.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD01513C46C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ngharibyan@mail.ru) Received: from [91.103.27.104] (port=49817 helo=sis2w001) by mx6.mail.ru with asmtp id 1IIQqG-000JVw-00; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:19:28 +0400 From: "Narek Gharibyan" To: "'Xihong Yin'" References: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:19:09 +0500 Message-ID: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcfY80KjywU5Dl1tSwq1ng88BTmggAAEqHgg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:19:31 -0000 I think the best way is /etc/netstart but when you try it via ssh connection it outputs an fatal error and your ssh hangs up. You cannot connect again via ssh. But you can do it via console and everything will ok. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Xihong Yin Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:02 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: restart network without shutdown How can I restart my network card without shutdown/reboot? I use DHCP. Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 15:27:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B06616A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md_ghalib@yahoo.com) Received: from web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.121.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24F9C13C469 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md_ghalib@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70721 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2007 15:27:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=p2P+AVMZvZvZseA7v14siQUYvL5oRTVPO6wZVzFC++V4Tp9K47lQDN8DPpvoPDMdNuqEjh03IcP5Z3edoL/B9EtHFbiVm6z6AGvKG5/EvLy/eHnFXZkY5JDhnYUHEKSNSkOF7S4TmgLdBaGeqnlvX6Nmjfn75ncf+yDeErzDsbM=; X-YMail-OSG: wmNuOhgVM1mEiJV2LNOdBnKXnqbgKlOa7xXfnZiBJc0zk7c0fwSEAU3ikIOsxBKySWGxWRDT_ivJa8zTP7na1ey1ouk- Received: from [69.147.84.254] by web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:27:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.47 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mohd Ghalib Akhtar To: Narek Gharibyan , Xihong Yin MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <797587.70682.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:27:27 -0000 /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart=0A =0ATake care=0AMohd.Ghalib Akhtar=0A(In= dia.M)9899868681=0A(Africa.M) +255787896861 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Narek Gharibyan = =0ATo: Xihong Yin =0ACc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org= =0ASent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:19:09 PM=0ASubject: RE: restart network = without shutdown=0A=0A=0AI think the best way is =0A=0A/etc/netstart =0A=0A= but when you try it via ssh connection it outputs an fatal error and your= =0Assh hangs up. 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( [74.95.66.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm12680570pyb.2007.08.07.08.42.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> References: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Crist Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:42:11 -0500 To: Narek Gharibyan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'Xihong Yin' Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:42:15 -0000 Install screen from ports, run it from within screen. You'll still get disconnected, but you should be able to reconnect after it's done. Screen will allow the script to complete, whereas your ssh session is killing it half/part way through... HTH Eric Crist On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:19 AMAug 7, 2007, Narek Gharibyan wrote: > I think the best way is > > /etc/netstart > > but when you try it via ssh connection it outputs an fatal error > and your > ssh hangs up. You cannot connect again via ssh. > > But you can do it via console and everything will ok. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Xihong Yin > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:02 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: restart network without shutdown > > How can I restart my network card without shutdown/reboot? I use DHCP. > > Thanks, > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. > http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 15:55:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63C616A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marko.kobal@email.si) Received: from www1.email.si (www1.email.si [81.24.97.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481B613C458 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marko.kobal@email.si) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (neonka.arctur.si [193.77.124.79]) by www1.email.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD28F8BC7C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:33:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46B890DE.3070803@email.si> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:33:50 +0200 From: Marko Kobal User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD as host OS for VMware X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:55:57 -0000 Hi, Many of us would like to see FreeBSD as host OS for VMware. If there would be enough of us to push onto VMware company, maybe someday this could actualy happen. Check out (and give your vote) here: http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=10322 -- Kind regards, Marko Kobal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:07:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304CA16A41B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:07:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C2A13C465 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l77G7ZTv049998 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:07:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l77G7ZbI049995 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:07:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:07:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070807180521.I49974@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: using geom_vinum X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:07:46 -0000 is someone here actually using it in production on FreeBSD/amd64 (or i386). it will be very useful for me (+jails i use), but i must be sure it will be usable in the long run. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:08:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B16F16A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ngharibyan@mail.ru) Received: from mx27.mail.ru (mx27.mail.ru [194.67.23.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946A213C458 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ngharibyan@mail.ru) Received: from [91.103.27.104] (port=50174 helo=sis2w001) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1IIRbe-000PLL-00; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:08:26 +0400 From: "Narek Gharibyan" To: "'Julian Elischer'" References: <017001c7cf86$daa2ad10$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AAED33.1070307@elischer.org> <005901c7d101$9ab0f7d0$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AB8AEA.5030409@elischer.org> <006601c7d147$18087880$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AB9D65.4020409@elischer.org> <006701c7d1b6$e49ee4a0$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AC5471.2090209@elischer.org> <006801c7d1e5$4cefac00$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AD0058.3020107@elischer.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:08:23 +0500 Message-ID: <001701c7d90d$304d8f20$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcfSI7Gtx41dbnIOQDeQMJ68jvt+VgG5840g In-Reply-To: <46AD0058.3020107@elischer.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Policy - based Routing problem Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:08:29 -0000 Thank you very much, Relaying on your help reach to success but rules differ from yours a little bit. My working rules listed below: ipfw add fwd A all from ${inet1}:${imask1} to any out recv ${iif1} ipfw add fwd B all from ${inet}:${imask} to any out recv ${iif} ipfw add fwd G all from any to ${inet1}:${imask1} out via ${iif1} ipfw add fwd H all from any to ${inet}:${imask} out via ${iif} ipfw add fwd A all from ${onet1}:${omask1} to any out ipfw add fwd B all from ${onet}:${omask} to any out ipfw add fwd A all from ${inet1}:${imask1} to any out ipfw add fwd B all from ${inet}:${imask} to any out The only problem last is when someone (from provider A) try to access ftp server via B it connects but didn't do "Get Directory" command. Ipfw doesn't matter I checked. I think it is specification of ftp- data 20 port (connection opening problem). Can you describe me how it take place via 20 port or find the wrong line in ipfw fwd rules? Best regards, Narek -----Original Message----- From: Julian Elischer [mailto:julian@elischer.org] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:02 AM To: Narek Gharibyan Subject: Re: Policy - based Routing problem Need help Narek Gharibyan wrote: > Yes your written rules are correct, You think exactly > I want to do ALSO > > 1. Packets coming from ISP-B (B network)into C SHOULD go out only via xx0 > (as they came) # make sure WE can talk to the back nets # and ourself ipfw add 1 allow ip from any to any via lo0 ipfw add 2 allow ip from me to G ipfw add 3 allow ip from me to H # the next 2 rules are not actually needed as any packets # going to G and H will go the right way anyhow. # ipfw add 4 fwd (G) ip from any to G out recv xx0 # ipfw add 5 fwd (H) ip from any to H out recv xx1 # The next rules ARE needed. ipfw add 6 fwd (A) ip from G to any out recv yy0 ipfw add 7 fwd (B) ip from H to any out recv yy1 ipfw add 8 fwd (A) ip from (C) to any out ipfw add 9 fwd (B) ip from (D) to any out > 2. Packets coming from ISP-A (A network) into D Should go out only via xx1 > (as they came) > > Saying by another words packets should leave my network via interface they > came. > > 3. Packets coming from E should go out via xx0 > 4. Packets coming from F should go out via xx1 > > Also I try from inside to forward packets without default gateway using via > A or B with the commands > > Ipfw add fwd A all from G to any xmit (or via) xx0 > > and it didn't work, I've compiled my kernel with IPFIREWALL, > IPFIREWALL_FORWARD, and set net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 in sysctl.conf. Surely > I will try your configuration on Monday, but it seems ipfw fwd nothing do > forwarding. So how to write for reaching the results (1.,2.,3.,4.)? > > Regards, > Narek > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Elischer [mailto:julian@elischer.org] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:49 PM > To: Narek Gharibyan > Subject: Re: Policy - based Routing problem Need help > > Narek Gharibyan wrote: >> The right drawing is that one below >> >> _______ ___________ >> -[ISP-A](A)----(C)[xx0 yy0](E)--(G)[NAT ] >> [ FBSD ] [ Windows ](X)-----LAN >> -[ISP-B](B)----(D)[xx1 yy1](F)--(H)[NAT ] >> ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> We can't use only FreeBSD box, we need also use Windows box, due to our >> company's policy. So you suggestion is not an option. I think we need a >> different solution. > > ok. > > now that we have established the exact layout, > what is it exactly that you want to do? > > I gather that you want packets that come into D to go out of F > and packets that come in through C should go out via E > > this is achieved by: > ipfw add 1 fwd (G) ip from any to G out recv xx0 > ipfw add 2 fwd (H) ip from any to H out recv xx1 > > what else do you wish it to do? > >> Regards, >> Narek >> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:09:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D98216A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553E913C468 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so554722nzf for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Coe+FkeMvAg0stwzzD3vl7rVvHsa3syXU+3LvvG2t6sMasN+FHyGvoiHtI6XZjUIBfCzgLXyartpf3I1oZEXtkIaP8+3QH/JW38+7QQCItD6KvHPGp0cSy1Kl9UQ3WMskm/+wjIDf3UGkuvLYOMxAh7XP7Wl1aZUhBj8La7HJZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CrWNhrRhqSxJCrzlndS0W49UGNNEi0NOQzEYZlZyt4w9jrw+hCka+9H2qWFXBBiDx7O5b/18uIJo04d8uvSZhaiwq4zOAQ4/ufhSlnnTTOBEz5X8ZL5TY3jnBKF4aVvcsIXzFnV23blHqoo54RXHkPkkEzPBxYy2K7g3pXez+nk= Received: by 10.143.160.1 with SMTP id m1mr306205wfo.1186502983159; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.10.17 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26ddd1750708070909j466c94dfo6b9f6ce75de0b1b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:09:43 -0400 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: "Marko Kobal" In-Reply-To: <46B890DE.3070803@email.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46B890DE.3070803@email.si> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as host OS for VMware X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:09:44 -0000 On 8/7/07, Marko Kobal wrote: > Hi, > > Many of us would like to see FreeBSD as host OS for VMware. If there would be enough of us to push onto VMware company, maybe someday this could actualy happen. Check out (and give your vote) here: > > http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=10322 Sadly I think that a lot of the VM products are ignoring FreeBSD. I don't think VMWare is at all interested in supporting this OS. There is a similar thread over on Parallels forums. People keep asking and keep getting ignored. I have no idea why. I'm still waiting for the day when I can run FreeBSD as my main desktop OS, and have a virtual machine with Win XP and 3D acceleration for gaming. Don't like dual-boot setups, but I don't see any progress being made for the VM solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0514216A46B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sironside@interfone.net) Received: from loqui.caffetine.org (87-194-185-79.bethere.co.uk [87.194.185.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826CF13C48E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sironside@interfone.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.69.1.6]) by loqui.caffetine.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l77Fd8TX068977 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:39:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from sironside@interfone.net) Message-ID: <46B892B1.9030305@interfone.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:41:37 +0100 From: Simon Ironside User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How to use the rum(4) driver in 6.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:09:58 -0000 Hi all, How can I use the rum driver in 6.3-RELEASE? The online man pages show that the driver is available in 7. Every USB 802.11g adapter I've bought on eBay so far has been one of these instead of the ural supported device I've been looking for! Thanks, Simon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:39:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5837A16A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2794613C48E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.23.2] (62-31-10-181.cable.ubr05.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.10.181]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97542E000550; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:38:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46B8A022.3010706@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:38:58 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061205 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Goldberg References: <499c70c0707260136hea82f27s87dfa53432d0e409@mail.gmail.com> <94c6ae7ae570814564d364bfe9aad8ea@szalbot.homedns.org> <20070801030504.GA3773@bifrost.agrussell.com> <426DE541-FB51-44FF-B7F4-B34E0F9A7861@goldmark.org> <46B0DB5F.4020401@FreeBSD.org> <60BEAECB-C72A-46B3-90D7-F3AB8778605D@goldmark.org> <46B0F17C.2010506@FreeBSD.org> <0D4A505C-5934-48AE-AB79-05D6D47DD668@goldmark.org> In-Reply-To: <0D4A505C-5934-48AE-AB79-05D6D47DD668@goldmark.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Freebsd questions Subject: Re: Waiting for BIND security announcement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:39:00 -0000 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > But since I'm masochistic, I figure that I should inflict problems > on myself like remembering to update the serial numbers myself. (Big > shouting reminder comments at both ends of the zone files seem to do > the trick) emacs zone-mode will do it automatically for you. Still helps to have the reminders for the times you don't use emacs :-) --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0380216A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sironside@caffetine.org) Received: from loqui.caffetine.org (87-194-185-79.bethere.co.uk [87.194.185.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818CC13C48A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sironside@caffetine.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.69.1.6]) by loqui.caffetine.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l77Grw3U069242 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:53:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from sironside@caffetine.org) Message-ID: <46B8A43B.8080207@caffetine.org> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:56:27 +0100 From: Simon Ironside User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46B892B1.9030305@interfone.net> In-Reply-To: <46B892B1.9030305@interfone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to use the rum(4) driver in 6.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:09:58 -0000 Simon Ironside wrote: > How can I use the rum driver in 6.3-RELEASE? Oops, I of course meant 6.2-RELEASE. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:10:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AE516A421 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from outE.internet-mail-service.net (outE.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0A713C46B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:59:21 -0700 Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (home.elischer.org [216.240.48.38]) by idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D17125CB4; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B8A4E7.9080803@elischer.org> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:59:19 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Narek Gharibyan References: <017001c7cf86$daa2ad10$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AAED33.1070307@elischer.org> <005901c7d101$9ab0f7d0$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AB8AEA.5030409@elischer.org> <006601c7d147$18087880$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AB9D65.4020409@elischer.org> <006701c7d1b6$e49ee4a0$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AC5471.2090209@elischer.org> <006801c7d1e5$4cefac00$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46AD0058.3020107@elischer.org> <001701c7d90d$304d8f20$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> In-Reply-To: <001701c7d90d$304d8f20$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy - based Routing problem Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:10:18 -0000 Narek Gharibyan wrote: > Thank you very much, > > Relaying on your help reach to success but rules differ from yours a little > bit. My working rules listed below: > > ipfw add fwd A all from ${inet1}:${imask1} to any out recv ${iif1} > ipfw add fwd B all from ${inet}:${imask} to any out recv ${iif} the following two rules shouldnto be needed if your routes are correct. > ipfw add fwd G all from any to ${inet1}:${imask1} out via ${iif1} > ipfw add fwd H all from any to ${inet}:${imask} out via ${iif} I don't know what onet is.. > ipfw add fwd A all from ${onet1}:${omask1} to any out > ipfw add fwd B all from ${onet}:${omask} to any out > ipfw add fwd A all from ${inet1}:${imask1} to any out > ipfw add fwd B all from ${inet}:${imask} to any out > > > The only problem last is when someone (from provider A) try to access ftp > server via B it connects but didn't do "Get Directory" command. Ipfw doesn't > matter I checked. I think it is specification of ftp- data 20 port > (connection opening problem). Can you describe me how it take place via 20 > port or find the wrong line in ipfw fwd rules? ftp is a problem as it negotiates new ports for data. That is why people use Passive mode FTP. it doesn't do that. > > Best regards, > Narek > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Elischer [mailto:julian@elischer.org] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:02 AM > To: Narek Gharibyan > Subject: Re: Policy - based Routing problem Need help > > Narek Gharibyan wrote: >> Yes your written rules are correct, You think exactly >> I want to do ALSO >> >> 1. Packets coming from ISP-B (B network)into C SHOULD go out only via xx0 >> (as they came) > > # make sure WE can talk to the back nets > # and ourself > ipfw add 1 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > > ipfw add 2 allow ip from me to G > ipfw add 3 allow ip from me to H > # the next 2 rules are not actually needed as any packets > # going to G and H will go the right way anyhow. > # ipfw add 4 fwd (G) ip from any to G out recv xx0 > # ipfw add 5 fwd (H) ip from any to H out recv xx1 > > # The next rules ARE needed. > ipfw add 6 fwd (A) ip from G to any out recv yy0 > ipfw add 7 fwd (B) ip from H to any out recv yy1 > ipfw add 8 fwd (A) ip from (C) to any out > ipfw add 9 fwd (B) ip from (D) to any out > > >> 2. Packets coming from ISP-A (A network) into D Should go out only via xx1 >> (as they came) >> >> Saying by another words packets should leave my network via interface they >> came. >> >> 3. Packets coming from E should go out via xx0 >> 4. Packets coming from F should go out via xx1 >> >> Also I try from inside to forward packets without default gateway using > via >> A or B with the commands >> >> Ipfw add fwd A all from G to any xmit (or via) xx0 >> >> and it didn't work, I've compiled my kernel with IPFIREWALL, >> IPFIREWALL_FORWARD, and set net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 in sysctl.conf. > Surely >> I will try your configuration on Monday, but it seems ipfw fwd nothing do >> forwarding. So how to write for reaching the results (1.,2.,3.,4.)? >> >> Regards, >> Narek >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Julian Elischer [mailto:julian@elischer.org] >> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:49 PM >> To: Narek Gharibyan >> Subject: Re: Policy - based Routing problem Need help >> >> Narek Gharibyan wrote: >>> The right drawing is that one below >>> >>> _______ ___________ >>> -[ISP-A](A)----(C)[xx0 yy0](E)--(G)[NAT ] >>> [ FBSD ] [ Windows ](X)-----LAN >>> -[ISP-B](B)----(D)[xx1 yy1](F)--(H)[NAT ] >>> ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> We can't use only FreeBSD box, we need also use Windows box, due to our >>> company's policy. So you suggestion is not an option. I think we need a >>> different solution. >> ok. >> >> now that we have established the exact layout, >> what is it exactly that you want to do? >> >> I gather that you want packets that come into D to go out of F >> and packets that come in through C should go out via E >> >> this is achieved by: >> ipfw add 1 fwd (G) ip from any to G out recv xx0 >> ipfw add 2 fwd (H) ip from any to H out recv xx1 >> >> what else do you wish it to do? >> >>> Regards, >>> Narek >>> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:12:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660F916A420 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1043513C442 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so680514wri for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=mTah3KEnM/TmVn7sAwzfniDLxd/Uf24D8rCUmKNndKcpUFAfboCuJAi81R2IiXYg47lovHRmFIDlOuyH75HWyJ4Yp4zwvwWLiJw9IZ3I20nnJ9HKDM5ZFUIHD0OFEz4Wobk+x+aHvWtH2jp9D6kCmVD1U6Cf57DM8TtSBX8YFzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=Efk4XJEeGi7Mca1vdAhA5wbS4ZMazQfCdz2G56TCe/S7jetUwfwPAQZv3kzBVITGtDNu08URr2PTdYOnmyIbmQTsq7V4wmUzVO/g4oA+wVLdoS0oatJtsTp6uM+sx5IWkCLuGmngQcwRHRLwti9bfyo7uTTLZXMW9+Xd1+8/d3o= Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr6274224agb.1186506747056; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m33sm8868768ele.2007.08.07.10.12.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AC311420; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:11:47 +0400 (GST) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:11:29 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Eric Crist In-Reply-To: <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070807210914.P84583@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: Narek Gharibyan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'Xihong Yin' Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:12:28 -0000 Eric Crist wrote: > Install screen from ports, run it from within screen. > > You'll still get disconnected, but you should be able to reconnect after it's > done. Screen will allow the script to complete, whereas your ssh session is > killing it half/part way through... > > HTH > Just curious -- how come screen works in such situations? I recollect someone else too recommending screen a few days ago (instead of "watch" to connect to another terminal) coz it doesn't get cut. The SSH session in which screen runs gets disconnected, but screen still works ... useful! Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:15:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2391E16A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B658613C45A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so559462ika for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=FNRuocIl+fGmvi+YoIemgsnXV5xvUNT178HdXSRykVd6Ez+9N0lktHHfArisA6Ei6DETGDJX6X0Zhq+ZhBil/KLImZum/7ZEFo4+y7iweFsV2e1nDyXL4FoZZCCzI38cwhtoYbVo7OWQQCu5FatxTLEGvwnHJy+HvM3fi2QLgPw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZlNza9mEVnNcXrZObVTa7dco0JaeKZ6pSCGjHZKIB/qBnDf67IGEWZaR/ZOnRWcwemprX8VSEvhaXA7uVtm9YcORxNUuOBtSN7SRuzDacq242/p3vNsPnsZ9UK9SypI97A8hQ/hmEIhEy5fKLXl8HP8hxSsclbZvv2lEUYFKDQg= Received: by 10.78.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr1868576hug.1186506911111; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.12 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <539c60b90708071015t611011cft8d69e37597f71a80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: cdcd21cf0b1e472e Subject: pkg_add -r from 6-stable instead of 6.2-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:15:13 -0000 occasionally I feel like a total idiot asking a really dumb question, but I'm pretty much out of ideas and I've wasted hours messing with PKGROOT, changing the 'options' in sysinstall, and I can't seem to get things I can see right in 6-stable. I'd just fetch it myself, but it has about 100 dependancies... Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:17:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D58716A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1D313C459 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so681444wri for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=TgCr0VMyvQ5W5BC0sNXbXSMMn8m188oEOWVFkjbouf3dCJLbSMlyfugPY9lNAbQOJMYnyA64PW2JMBZiasnkNo5qF0OKAZu0EmTtJmVlPFXIWBJcr0wRHQw23B5Mjs7F8auVcdXTBXUdNcbw7EVSf17k7qjIkGt0L9leX6ErJ94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=AQhHJs9DTuaJnuy1ubR1m21WFrZ8FZt1uOobtv77GJ3VbJss+PZIiIW6nzu7FgAv/m5+zw/RkmPlnajbjL7BVxFOAJn+59XFzOw93Ol7guWuAoGZudugyZ6QSk7i0+bUbICaA3c+995q8pUCnAH0QhAJa4Q0lfgPhaxUwuCbSnM= Received: by 10.90.118.8 with SMTP id q8mr6259089agc.1186507018730; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i27sm8872984elf.2007.08.07.10.16.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592BA11429; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:16:25 +0400 (GST) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:16:07 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Josh Carroll In-Reply-To: <20070806162354.N11304@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Message-ID: <20070807211251.Q84583@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <499c70c0707260136hea82f27s87dfa53432d0e409@mail.gmail.com> <94c6ae7ae570814564d364bfe9aad8ea@szalbot.homedns.org> <20070801030504.GA3773@bifrost.agrussell.com> <8cb6106e0708011457q4b468723x7ecee0bf70c52809@mail.gmail.com> <20070806162354.N11304@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: Freebsd questions Subject: Re: Waiting for BIND security announcement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:17:00 -0000 Just bumping this question of mine. I tried a "freebsd-update fetch" just now, but I still have no updates! And my system is still on 6.2-RELEASE-p4. Is that normal or should I be concerned? $ freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7. $ uname -a FreeBSD obelix.home.rakhesh.com 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr 26 17:40:53 UTC 2007 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Josh Carroll wrote: > >> You need wait no longer...the security advisory just went out with a patch: >> >> http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-07:07.bind.asc > > I'm on FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4. If I do a freebsd-update shouldn't I get this? > Or will there be a delay coz binary patches have to be prepared for > freebsd-update? > > # freebsd-update fetch > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. > Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Inspecting system... done. > Preparing to download files... done. > > No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7. > > Regards, > Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:18:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0D016A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnslinky@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8FE13C46E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnslinky@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so3313506pye for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fcH/7DNTpysReohuBzm6rba9V4U46/4vkrXqjBLD/0hkgLSmxiCxj2v5AfmsqqLrRQpIMuNqsEre8mSoux0fOs6RJ6yy1i1GWaBljJsmzcSgnKg+AdNVSmZ9bUz8Tf4/ua2xotKmsrNIt9ooFEmzbynInWoPGNzhQM1hHPxGGas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I2zMmo5oQo+QySudpPG80sOzshVnSjkGtht2C8GxppZ7spEvv8nRKd0YadzDfgtHMXKmTgeKX7x58cquVHAEzMciYFg7lDqkjPALwGnkFryD/KwD5wJ+6uKG4rfHNkCrWnJcAnhJlH5n7YPEUCoH/huixJ/Oxua75k5jJiLhktE= Received: by 10.35.87.8 with SMTP id p8mr11977595pyl.1186507086172; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.14? ( [74.95.66.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f78sm12889377pyh.2007.08.07.10.18.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:18:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070807210914.P84583@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> <20070807210914.P84583@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <006F1C69-C0CC-4837-B22D-CBA39B1067D8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Crist Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:18:01 -0500 To: Rakhesh Sasidharan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: Narek Gharibyan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'Xihong Yin' Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:18:07 -0000 On Aug 7, 2007, at 12:11 PMAug 7, 2007, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > Eric Crist wrote: > >> Install screen from ports, run it from within screen. >> >> You'll still get disconnected, but you should be able to reconnect >> after it's done. Screen will allow the script to complete, >> whereas your ssh session is killing it half/part way through... >> >> HTH >> > > Just curious -- how come screen works in such situations? I > recollect someone else too recommending screen a few days ago > (instead of "watch" to connect to another terminal) coz it doesn't > get cut. The SSH session in which screen runs gets disconnected, > but screen still works ... useful! > Screen can detach and run in the background. Processes which start from within screen don't get killed, because, screen, the parent process, is still running. The reason the script dies when you get d/ c'd is that your shell, the parent process, has died. HTH Eric Crist From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 17:39:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFAE16A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E9613C46A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACDB1A3C1A; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3EF63BA55; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:39:36 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Steve Franks Message-ID: <20070807173936.GA55968@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <539c60b90708071015t611011cft8d69e37597f71a80@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <539c60b90708071015t611011cft8d69e37597f71a80@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: pkg_add -r from 6-stable instead of 6.2-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:39:37 -0000 On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:15:11AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > occasionally I feel like a total idiot asking a really dumb question, > but I'm pretty much out of ideas and I've wasted hours messing with > PKGROOT, changing the 'options' in sysinstall, and I can't seem to get > things I can see right in 6-stable. I'd just fetch it myself, but it > has about 100 dependancies... See pkg_add(1). PACKAGESITE is probably what you want. 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Please click here if you would like to unsubscribe from this Distribution List: http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,3d8t,1,dm3e,7yr0,diyr,1w0d&MLM_UNIQUEID=9a1431584d&MLM_MID=157133&MLM_MLID=1&MLM_JOBID=2214 Or you may go to http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,3d8t,1,8pzr,jvsi,diyr,1w0d or write to: Jupitermedia Corporation, Attention: Announcement Lists, 23 Old Kings Highway South, Darien, CT 06820 __________________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 18:28:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AEF16A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D3713C4B4 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from rigel.publicis-usa.com ([167.246.36.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l77ISfo6080392 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:28:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:28:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <539c60b90708071015t611011cft8d69e37597f71a80@mail.gmail.com> <20070807173936.GA55968@rot26.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20070807173936.GA55968@rot26.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708071328.34856.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.6 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_XBL, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: pkg_add -r from 6-stable instead of 6.2-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:28:46 -0000 On Tuesday 07 August 2007 12:39:36 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:15:11AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > > occasionally I feel like a total idiot asking a really dumb question, > > but I'm pretty much out of ideas and I've wasted hours messing with > > PKGROOT, changing the 'options' in sysinstall, and I can't seem to get > > things I can see right in 6-stable. I'd just fetch it myself, but it > > has about 100 dependancies... > > See pkg_add(1). PACKAGESITE is probably what you want. > > Kris ive used PACKAGESITE recently as well, i used it like this: setenv PACKAGESITE ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/ you have to specify it as far as the directory you want it to pull the files from. ../All/ would also be acceptable. now that im about to click send, i actually cant recall if i specified the trailing slash or not... so be prepared to reset and try again. good luck, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 18:30:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043F716A418 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916AA13C4D5 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so576185ika for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=t9XJ1q7n60Oj974SXkC/7A0mFg5IjIJ9ibBdWPpcNc0Utsq2MgpSChkPbTMoCFsOeHsDIY8zirddCnqTI1TKskgKeTVVDttTisZw+SMx0rn27NfgMnFoeN/mu9qM13TkWJAFPgvG0svAmjNviWmkKBIhYaCETi9td4xI49AzQQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nAeXzS24x9RvU+TEw8ndK9vIgzYBcKZxV3nmoHFXcKqzKvaU3tIm2pLmBqHnxE0btK/fznkyEWGBC4u+olRB/k7sjqFXKDO4pow3+MxN5UablM3WMyyBRZ/jaAMI21d9PLX9465w6MmzIIkRUkDj9fPSodtGXVT+zJSHTvjEIVY= Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr1910328huf.1186511444941; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.12 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <539c60b90708071130w30fb687bu3cce040ec21a889@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:30:44 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "Jonathan Horne" In-Reply-To: <200708071328.34856.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <539c60b90708071015t611011cft8d69e37597f71a80@mail.gmail.com> <20070807173936.GA55968@rot26.obsecurity.org> <200708071328.34856.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2986570466952795 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_add -r from 6-stable instead of 6.2-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:30:48 -0000 I think I was missing the '/latest'. Thanks for the example. Sometimes that's key. Steve On 8/7/07, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Tuesday 07 August 2007 12:39:36 Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:15:11AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > > > occasionally I feel like a total idiot asking a really dumb question, > > > but I'm pretty much out of ideas and I've wasted hours messing with > > > PKGROOT, changing the 'options' in sysinstall, and I can't seem to get > > > things I can see right in 6-stable. I'd just fetch it myself, but it > > > has about 100 dependancies... > > > > See pkg_add(1). PACKAGESITE is probably what you want. > > > > Kris > > ive used PACKAGESITE recently as well, i used it like this: > > setenv PACKAGESITE > ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/ > > you have to specify it as far as the directory you want it to pull the files > from. ../All/ would also be acceptable. > > now that im about to click send, i actually cant recall if i specified the > trailing slash or not... so be prepared to reset and try again. > > good luck, > -- > Jonathan Horne > http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org > freebsd@dfwlp.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Steve Franks, KE7BTE Staff Engineer La Palma Devices, LLC http://www.lapalmadevices.com (520) 312-0089 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 19:10:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECC316A417 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1301D13C45D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so1231604rvb for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CsffZh1jIIZCT193cTSWmHlROi4/XXR2vzEjPMWQ5EZ+Kn2A/Ln1uag1w9DJV8xNmlXwSIQO7EqZpKxoyHRShdBffmXm5KVc11/h0ng2nYY5w/fbi8OMbuoj52IJd8RZvM0szzJI3S/T5yfOpEjzCxgpM9XgJjd5TNe0+arMYpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZVe0xNJreyyaBXSKEQ7pLBWYXtKk8cT77sFFeYIsoc6sAs3vypLXlAtW0sjicO4tLW5KtEAyEL1CfzBGxSskkKQDIyporosVesZOr21vbGX/qjb5NOPydhe4oM0gqlAS8t12f3gXCtdAFSwWmn8TqSpZmyKz6QusubE61uHBPgA= Received: by 10.141.185.3 with SMTP id m3mr2661193rvp.1186513856716; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.170.12 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:10:56 -0600 From: Modulok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:10:57 -0000 I have a bizarre entry in the routing table on one my machines. What is it, and how do I delete it? The output of "netstat -rnf inet" is shown below: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire 0&0xc0a80132 link#1 UCS 0 0 bge0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 557 lo0 ... QUESTIONS 1. The first entry, it's not IPv4, IPv6 or a MAC address that I've ever seen, what format is it? 2. How do I delete it? According to route(8) it is not a "valid address" and when I attempt to delete it, route(8) gets very upset: root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 [1] 37343 route: writing to routing socket: No such process delete net 0: not in table 0xc0a80132: Command not found. [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 Thoughts? -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 20:31:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4295116A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0F313C442 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so3395078pye for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fWhIvooDAjLV72qLfNspcQIGHWnriSscR6rvP1YC2rukKIQ3W0ua1gwgs9DfCFkDzERevUUZ+D7Zj0hARYfgLICak9pa/YGunjkzg8WlihzBgxjI+aPu/puxnrqFbkY1oXJGLB4YH0XJeW6Lz8H6gC19x+gyVvtGfsDYAfITR10= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NE/SHUPEznrIAo+aD2YAHrmmhXW4sM4SqPjIszCcKmOFes/9FxaDeOn3qYBrr2BbPSLUyljKZcm5l87262Y8zHxUvVj1oq9N7QQAfOZQsIcqo6okEssOCdxMSm4pI6o5mY7iLuu4NYVMXOD0OoNTBAwzYgZjtPHLoAG6ATocniU= Received: by 10.35.49.4 with SMTP id b4mr12228550pyk.1186518693668; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.107.14 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0708071331v47c866beh2296110c75a846c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:31:33 -0700 From: "Josh Carroll" To: Modulok In-Reply-To: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh.carroll@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:31:35 -0000 > root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 > > [1] 37343 > route: writing to routing socket: No such process > delete net 0: not in table > 0xc0a80132: Command not found. > [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 > root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 > > [1] 37343 > route: writing to routing socket: No such process > delete net 0: not in table > 0xc0a80132: Command not found. > [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 I've no idea whether that is a valid route or not, but the reason you're getting that funkiness is that the shell is eating the & and thinks you are sending the route process to the background. Try: route delete '0&0xc0a80132' And see if it lets you remove the entry. Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 20:40:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE9716A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (wintermute.cepheid.org [64.92.165.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB96C13C46A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id DB5D31714D; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:40:45 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Eric Crist Message-ID: <20070807204045.GA86926@idoru.cepheid.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erik Osterholm , Eric Crist , Narek Gharibyan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'Xihong Yin' References: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Narek Gharibyan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'Xihong Yin' Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:40:47 -0000 > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Xihong Yin > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:02 PM > > >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > >Subject: restart network without shutdown > > > > > >How can I restart my network card without shutdown/reboot? I use DHCP. > > > > > >Thanks, > On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:19 AMAug 7, 2007, Narek Gharibyan wrote: > >I think the best way is > > > >/etc/netstart > > > >but when you try it via ssh connection it outputs an fatal error > >and your > >ssh hangs up. You cannot connect again via ssh. > > > >But you can do it via console and everything will ok. > > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:42:11AM -0500, Eric Crist wrote: > Install screen from ports, run it from within screen. > > You'll still get disconnected, but you should be able to reconnect > after it's done. Screen will allow the script to complete, whereas > your ssh session is killing it half/part way through... > > HTH > > Eric Crist I'm generally a big screen advocate, but in this case, wouldn't nohup work as well? And it's in base. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 20:43:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C215816A420 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EF713C48A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay5.apple.com (relay5.apple.com [17.128.113.35]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEFFDCE06E; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 5FEF729C002; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807123-a6246bb000007d99-22-46b8d9743809 Received: from [17.214.13.96] (cswiger1.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay5.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 502D630400D; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:43:31 -0700 To: Modulok X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:43:32 -0000 On Aug 7, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Modulok wrote: > I have a bizarre entry in the routing table on one my machines. What > is it, and how do I delete it? The output of "netstat -rnf inet" is > shown below: > > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use > Netif Expire > 0&0xc0a80132 link#1 UCS 0 0 bge0 > 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 557 lo0 > ... > > QUESTIONS > 1. The first entry, it's not IPv4, IPv6 or a MAC address that I've > ever seen, what format is it? It looks a default IPv4 route using a non-contiguous netmask. It's almost certainly the result of running route with the wrong arguments, rather than something you would intend to do. > 2. How do I delete it? According to route(8) it is not a "valid > address" and when I attempt to delete it, route(8) gets very upset: > > root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 > > [1] 37343 > route: writing to routing socket: No such process > delete net 0: not in table > 0xc0a80132: Command not found. > [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 The "&" is confusing the shell; you can probably do a "route delete default" to nuke it. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 21:56:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D42916A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF6E13C4A5 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so148366uge for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=PMDAsp4MHoCsKGjxx9GLJAvPZxnxt/zdAgtasBPF7MdNbh15e7N1gfBB8yO9oBiTSFPh6S0v+Srx9IOtT8ZeJbs1D7vaG0Nc83UUk5SW8rjg/2Uh96bl/Kos27iLJzwPTzfEUE4E5Gs4zh2BADPjObPjn63ZzzUaybisjSzuj2c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=aAv/NlzuS5q0kBlcRzaugOv/2bBT1f7wcsD2pKM/AVeIlNSv55v2aWSBuE1iZkcwavDJE8IgAxzrU7IgRcpbcAz4i6mKJoVsYokXIKmuwmN0mT4fAVqDIOhbd6vBeMYIHTfJZ0wHH0WsS/AnCj048xhI/J1bZp+kLrGKPgZfeDQ= Received: by 10.78.159.7 with SMTP id h7mr1978564hue.1186523795202; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b30sm15393830ika.2007.08.07.14.56.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B8EA90.1000305@crackmonkey.us> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:56:32 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rakhesh Sasidharan References: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Cc: "Arend P. van der Veen" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb and cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:56:37 -0000 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > During my first few days with FreeBSD, however, I used to run ''portsdb > -Fu''. My understanding is that that would fetch the INDEX-6 and update > INDEX-6.db (since I am on FreeBSD 6.x) but I don't see why I should do > this coz the INDEX files are updated when I update the ports tree > anyways! (If I have understood this incorrectly, someone please correct > me). Hi Rakhesh, What you say about the -F and -u flags sounds right. It's my understanding that "portsdb -Fu" is only required when the ports database gets a little bit messed up and the system prompts you. It's an easy one to remember, because as Dru said in that article, you may be thinking something similar at the time. ;) Regards, Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 22:13:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0C516A41A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C3413C480 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so150174uge for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=X3kvl9OINnnOKWplxucWgGzM7aKKMAkkhBYFIZ6Zw5Ta9iRFwN3O2dh7pV7CLDvlzqXeLOcbHkhHtzvT2Ua7z39m/bZx06qhDXJ+xS11lyXekhrUYYb5R4ARL2kQ5YaaGAkQzttn9ViQLvmzovXSGMPAKfycTmarUgPxJ+c1x7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=JOXX4hmQE9nNTWY13aaRh/sxHKA1rvw19YdcR+Nr9NrxGhAwjU4jn9V8N5Iic9s5WAWAKw1pB/0WtNT0FM95mlCa66vTSgxYx0oS69l1L6mPZn+fL2LsbALP2DW5ZuU4dsTkrnsD4yyMHxAYZybrnNKzVvg002JgSKX9E3/AuJI= Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr813029ugm.1186524802927; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b30sm15417048ika.2007.08.07.15.13.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B8EE80.7000905@crackmonkey.us> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:13:20 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Modulok References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:13:24 -0000 Modulok wrote: > 0&0xc0a80132 link#1 UCS 0 0 bge0 > 1. The first entry, it's not IPv4, IPv6 or a MAC address that I've > ever seen, what format is it? Hi Modulok, It's possible to represent IPv4 addresses as a single number. I don't recall the algorithm for converting that four byte dot-delimited group into an integer, though, so I can't tell you what number it is. Perhaps you can Google the algorithm and do the math to figure out what it is. HtH, Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 22:37:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18CF16A419 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C7913C442 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay8.apple.com (relay8.apple.com [17.128.113.38]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96163E293BC; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay8.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay8.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 6CA9E40053; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807126-a7c49bb0000007e3-00-46b8f43fbf13 Received: from [17.214.13.96] (cswiger1.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay8.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 5E291400B1; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:37:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46B8EE80.7000905@crackmonkey.us> References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> <46B8EE80.7000905@crackmonkey.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <86731548-011A-4BFF-8D52-25819C00735B@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:37:50 -0700 To: Adam J Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:37:52 -0000 On Aug 7, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Adam J Richardson wrote: > Modulok wrote: >> 0&0xc0a80132 link#1 UCS 0 0 bge0 > >> 1. The first entry, it's not IPv4, IPv6 or a MAC address that I've >> ever seen, what format is it? > > Hi Modulok, > > It's possible to represent IPv4 addresses as a single number. I > don't recall the algorithm for converting that four byte dot- > delimited group into an integer, though, so I can't tell you what > number it is. Perhaps you can Google the algorithm and do the math > to figure out what it is. aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd => 0xAABBCCDD, where AA = hex(aaa), BB = hex(bbb), etc. In particular, 0xc0a80132 is the hex equivalent of 192.168.1.50. An IP address + netmask can normally be represented in the routing table via the slash notation-- say 192.168.1.50/24 meaning a 255.255.255.0 (or 0xffffff00) netmask. Non-contiguous netmasks are represented by "address & netmask", but since no normal network ever uses such a netmask, they almost always represent a misconfiguration-- someone confused the arguments such that the route command interpreted the gateway IP as a netmask instead. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 00:43:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3736516A468 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@buzbox.net) Received: from buzbox.net (85.133.233.220.exetel.com.au [220.233.133.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B761113C48A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@buzbox.net) Received: (qmail 20969 invoked by uid 81); 8 Aug 2007 10:16:45 +1000 Received: from 220.233.133.84 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pauly@buzbox.net) by email.buzbox.net with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:16:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <54865.220.233.133.84.1186532205.squirrel@email.buzbox.net> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:16:45 +1000 (EST) From: "Paul Myjavec" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: Out of date mirrors. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: paul@buzbox.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:43:25 -0000 FreeBSD, I have just purchased a new workstation and have just completed a fresh install. One thing this install has taught me is how out of date a lot of mirrors around the world are, particularly in my case the Australian mirrors and doing a bit of reading I discovered that so many fellow Australians are simply turning to FreeBSD main sites for all there Ports needs. Upon emailing hostmaster@au.FreeBSD.org to find out what the story was I received a bounce back message? Can something be done about this, I for one would be happy to help out if at all possible. Regards, Paul. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 00:50:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C4716A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0392513C459 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B72D1A4D7E; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD552C23A; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:50:14 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Paul Myjavec Message-ID: <20070808005014.GA62309@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <54865.220.233.133.84.1186532205.squirrel@email.buzbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54865.220.233.133.84.1186532205.squirrel@email.buzbox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Out of date mirrors. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:50:17 -0000 On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 10:16:45AM +1000, Paul Myjavec wrote: > FreeBSD, > > I have just purchased a new workstation and have just completed a fresh > install. > > One thing this install has taught me is how out of date a lot of mirrors > around the world are, particularly in my case the Australian mirrors and > doing a bit of reading I discovered that so many fellow Australians are > simply turning to FreeBSD main sites for all there Ports needs. > > Upon emailing hostmaster@au.FreeBSD.org to find out what the story was I > received a bounce back message? > > Can something be done about this, I for one would be happy to help out if > at all possible. Talk to kensmith@FreeBSD.org, he might be able to put you in contact with the operators of the specific mirrors that are out of date. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 02:14:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011FD16A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@earth.parts-unknown.org) Received: from earth.parts-unknown.org (earth.parts-unknown.org [66.93.170.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49D5413C458 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@earth.parts-unknown.org) Received: (qmail 35564 invoked by uid 501); 8 Aug 2007 02:12:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:12:22 -0700 From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline X-gnupg-public-key: http://www.parts-unknown.org/gnupg/export-0DD1D1E3 X-stardate: [-29]8015.44 X-moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (26% of Full) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:14:07 -0000 --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I would really like the "open link" function to work under gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration and a Google search comes up empty. It worked out of the box under Ubuntu, opening up a new tab in Firefox. That's what I would like it to do under FreeBSD. So what or where is the secret? Thanks! --=20 David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGuSaGUd+dMw3R0eMRAq6DAKCZqGkz2VPi8hulf+vE0YOiPho+MgCgg/BP zAqCEdGKReRllJhGiXuwacM= =6son -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 02:42:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EBE16A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250213C457 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l782gfjk091120 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:42:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:42:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <54865.220.233.133.84.1186532205.squirrel@email.buzbox.net> In-Reply-To: <54865.220.233.133.84.1186532205.squirrel@email.buzbox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708072142.41598.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: Out of date mirrors. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:42:50 -0000 On Tuesday 07 August 2007 19:16:45 Paul Myjavec wrote: > FreeBSD, > > I have just purchased a new workstation and have just completed a fresh > install. > > One thing this install has taught me is how out of date a lot of mirrors > around the world are, particularly in my case the Australian mirrors and > doing a bit of reading I discovered that so many fellow Australians are > simply turning to FreeBSD main sites for all there Ports needs. > > Upon emailing hostmaster@au.FreeBSD.org to find out what the story was I > received a bounce back message? > > Can something be done about this, I for one would be happy to help out if > at all possible. > > Regards, > > Paul. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" im curious to know if you are referring to taking your fresh install of 6.2, and doing something like say: pkg_add -r kde and watching it install kde-3.5.4 ?? or perhaps it was some other package, but the point is that the packages-6.2-release folder does not hold the same things as package-6-stable folder. or.. what exactly are you referring to, as being out of date? cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 02:53:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFE816A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB6413C45D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so61031pye for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:53:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EdpvyneZhWir+QovS6U0CBREQR0wfkiKfaFVGpV5gqGGuTrndsxRIhq3UlY1nugjGTMuP36gLtQrWH69hRQqe1HpKadcbg3AQBiZ8N3kqWMOGiMWFXL6/VKQp87vSdiyJb/kMO081t+C6XA3rbvNAS4VWyyOcYFG8MRuygAWpxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BpgDmMYj33vWilVpGo6HGL8EZvuha6WTS9lBY/zA89vop+9qY5TJAlmSlyRYkC5IOssTfL9vU6nPU9neSO8HQWnmOv3ypGH0O4HY8e3542/MRELkVIlhJewXetpS/bcqQTuDCUdYmUihOHvAe3A10XXPqjMql1kVyzIL1+HO2oo= Received: by 10.65.59.11 with SMTP id m11mr442680qbk.1186541606164; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708071953t515be42etef87a9c72c00dd54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:53:26 -0500 From: Novembre To: "Philip M. Gollucci" In-Reply-To: <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:53:29 -0000 On 8/6/07, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > > Novembre wrote: > > rcvar=`set_rcvar` > That should be > rcvar=${name}_enable > > Because of this, your script did not run because the rc system didn't > detect it correctly. > > Try setting > rc_debug="YES" > and/or > rc_info="YES" > in /etc/rc.conf > > to see more of whats happening. > > > command="ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows && ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 > > /mnt/windows -o locale=en_US.UTF-8" > Also $command is special, you should use another variable > $command_args (which is also special) for the arguments/options. > > Of course, you can circument these if you know what you are doing. > > When in doubt, look at other rc scripts like apache22's or others that > might seem like they would do a lot. > > Finally, in /etc/rc.subr is _very_ > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Philip M. Gollucci (philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 > Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com > 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF > > Work like you don't need the money, > love like you'll never get hurt, > and dance like nobody's watching. > Hi, I did not write this script myself. I was searching the net for a solution to this problem, and I found a thread on ntfs-3g forums where somebody had posted this script. Apparently, it had worked for him and some other people. I just copied and pasted the script. But since I wanted to know more about startup scripts, I looked at the manual page for rc.d, and a sample script there looked exacly liked this one. That's why I thought that the script that I have is going to work as well. I made the changes and am going to reboot the machine now. If they work, i'll post the results... Thanks a lot :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 03:31:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3002016A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D386813C428 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so75151pye for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:31:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cVde8uCLC3B3leeIH0qyuy0rb7a0yCoNhe9eins+ibDJS8MygGoTrQIDJyM2g5aXibMzr2BpJSGWs5TuugOVh3CVIl8U5EvrWQKLnH0RucvA0TTZf7tatS69uXiOyL1ZVLQcd4G9+upWYO7PondrlSXg3OzeFZvYWN1RBZfzibI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dranq0kAZnOZDN/QtcRomHotLchjFaQ6BrjMoFBnl4LL23krzrbRweeFLk2PF6rWfB/jD2Mj+sieVF7/R15bD7vP42ffSS21qkAgo/RyloNW6+NW7l9HVv4tily6SyjuDp2t1okW6C4/1hhss8xh3cHWznAFRBlVAFfrll3XJ04= Received: by 10.65.138.4 with SMTP id q4mr856846qbn.1186543860795; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708072031x5aca7c5ncd7f6780b70a7f4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:31:00 -0500 From: Novembre To: "Philip M. Gollucci" In-Reply-To: <3b47caa90708071953t515be42etef87a9c72c00dd54@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> <3b47caa90708071953t515be42etef87a9c72c00dd54@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:31:04 -0000 On 8/7/07, Novembre wrote: > > > > On 8/6/07, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > > > > Novembre wrote: > > > rcvar=`set_rcvar` > > That should be > > rcvar=${name}_enable > > > > Because of this, your script did not run because the rc system didn't > > detect it correctly. > > > > Try setting > > rc_debug="YES" > > and/or > > rc_info="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf > > > > to see more of whats happening. > > > > > command="ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows && ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 > > > /mnt/windows -o locale=en_US.UTF-8" > > Also $command is special, you should use another variable > > $command_args (which is also special) for the arguments/options. > > > > Of course, you can circument these if you know what you are doing. > > > > When in doubt, look at other rc scripts like apache22's or others that > > might seem like they would do a lot. > > > > Finally, in /etc/rc.subr is _very_ > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Philip M. Gollucci ( philip@riderway.com) 323.219.4708 > > Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com > > 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF > > > > Work like you don't need the money, > > love like you'll never get hurt, > > and dance like nobody's watching. > > > > > > Hi, > > I did not write this script myself. I was searching the net for a solution > to this problem, and I found a thread on ntfs-3g forums where somebody had > posted this script. Apparently, it had worked for him and some other people. > I just copied and pasted the script. But since I wanted to know more about > startup scripts, I looked at the manual page for rc.d, and a sample script > there looked exacly liked this one. That's why I thought that the script > that I have is going to work as well. > I made the changes and am going to reboot the machine now. If they work, > i'll post the results... > > Thanks a lot :) > > Okay, here's an update. I changed the script to the following ---------- #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: ntfsmount # REQUIRE: fusefs # . /etc/rc.subr name="ntfsmount" rcvar=${name}_enable command="/usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g" command_args="/dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows" load_rc_config $name : ${ntfsmount_enable="NO"} run_rc_command "$1" ---------- and have also put rc_debug="YES" and rc_info="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, and the result is the following ---------- /etc/rc: DEBUG: checkyesno: ntfsmount_enable is set to YES. Starting ntfsmount. /etc/rc: DEBUG: run_rc_command: _doit: /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/w indows fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory ---------- I don't exactly know what it means by "fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory" since /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g exists, /dev/ad0s1 is my Windows 2000 partition, and I have created /mnt/windows myself. Any ideas? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 04:14:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F077516A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 04:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7796913C45D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 04:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so162883uge for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=JbEo5nnpQLZ3hXVLxiGEkacQMm5CKvZpHkInPPYB0jEK1R9w0ku5JtZcVXM4XK2UMg5HUmIIFcFi3p1MBYIXTkj32zhiHK1Fiz6Q0+3d/WHsO4+BIPWLDm8i+AFW0SAHlnzRn+Or0bu8TRgZ/vHx0MHjKanibaxNjSxARBeEiB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=Gj0+Fl4u4Cp//AnHYOl5LptvQPLEcbCurQ0YbDrJ6pjEixH1BYDHbYfVys/e3tjLzsgiMgVEmFxLZbGvVhsXSA3OqZt3vCRHM9fllBV+hf4Hf2ghn1cr0UHgeQnQ3dcSBi5+W+Mlir74C/5sudnsQi8QN2uOYcnPGtlR/XnxY/I= Received: by 10.78.190.10 with SMTP id n10mr422286huf.1186546486993; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z30sm57362hub.2007.08.07.21.14.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB3511420; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:14:21 +0400 (GST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:14:04 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Novembre In-Reply-To: <3b47caa90708072031x5aca7c5ncd7f6780b70a7f4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070808081245.D37694@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> <3b47caa90708071953t515be42etef87a9c72c00dd54@mail.gmail.com> <3b47caa90708072031x5aca7c5ncd7f6780b70a7f4b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:14:49 -0000 > Starting ntfsmount. > /etc/rc: DEBUG: run_rc_command: _doit: /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 > /mnt/w > indows > fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory > ---------- > > I don't exactly know what it means by "fuse: failed to exec mount program: > No such file or directory" since /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g exists, /dev/ad0s1 > is my Windows 2000 partition, and I have created /mnt/windows myself. Why is the mount point /mnt/windows broken over two lines? If that's the actual output from fuse (and not broken coz of some wrapping while emailing) then that could be the problem. Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 04:19:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C9616A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 04:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D83713C469 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 04:19:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so9065nfb for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:19:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=UpRtIN/XnR8ifJfnIcvq8JpzlmukYgmN+fo1rAVzA5wmwNpgcgzq33tBCJBwc+lhKdx404jDWgFL9a4jekJHplxeoVfDpAeZcDneYZAG8ZohyKahCpiKmKklRzEjpAsZI4ahPTeY5Q6TiEhYTdCM3yXvxcuF0fkZab5BJ95mig8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=Xcd9Y9dXjP7eRgUH9i+8OCxPHbHjQFf23Zq1izVFDrrucPaZii4/B20L55f6rR0X80GbZlDZRjOikN5wvOpqIGZlEr5KReYXnGsaQ25Mb7nMc6suB0MQS8gn60ClDxrwHgz0i2JjgN96d5nI39gCRJlUQtrE662D26Us2spZnZg= Received: by 10.78.172.20 with SMTP id u20mr2287hue.1186546750935; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm57702huf.2007.08.07.21.19.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0374411420; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:18:48 +0400 (GST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:18:31 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20070807204045.GA86926@idoru.cepheid.org> Message-ID: <20070808081717.C37694@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <001201c7d906$58e8ee40$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> <20070807204045.GA86926@idoru.cepheid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: Eric Crist , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:19:13 -0000 >> You'll still get disconnected, but you should be able to reconnect >> after it's done. Screen will allow the script to complete, whereas >> your ssh session is killing it half/part way through... >> >> HTH >> >> Eric Crist > > I'm generally a big screen advocate, but in this case, wouldn't nohup > work as well? And it's in base. Exactly what I was wondering. Wouldn't nohup work as well? Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 07:22:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C60316A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B23213C461 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 7171 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2007 02:22:13 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 8 Aug 2007 02:22:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:22:08 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: David Benfell Message-ID: <20070808172208.3da3d0aa@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> References: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:22:16 -0000 On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:12:22 -0700 David Benfell wrote: > I would really like the "open link" function to work under > gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration > and a Google search comes up empty. I dont use Gnome, but XFCE, and therefore Terminal instead of 'gnome-terminal'. The open link function works once you've defined what the default browser is @ XFCE level (ie, within XFCE configuration ). _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "But I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in the mysterious universe without having any purpose, which is the way it really is, as far as I can tell, possibly. It doesn't frighten me." Richard Feynman I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 07:47:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BF316A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ow.mun.heng@wdc.com) Received: from wdscexfe02.sc.wdc.com (wdscexfe02.sc.wdc.com [129.253.170.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F36613C47E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ow.mun.heng@wdc.com) Received: from wdmyexbe03.my.asia.wdc.com ([129.253.105.55]) by wdscexfe02.sc.wdc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:35:36 -0700 Received: from 129.253.107.212 ([129.253.107.212]) by wdmyexbe03.my.asia.wdc.com ([129.253.105.55]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:33 +0000 Received: from neuromancer by 129.253.105.55; 08 Aug 2007 15:35:47 +0800 From: Ow Mun Heng To: David Benfell In-Reply-To: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> References: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:35:47 +0800 Message-Id: <1186558547.29386.1.camel@neuromancer.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 07:35:36.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[B61A0350:01C7D98E] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:47:45 -0000 On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 19:12 -0700, David Benfell wrote: > Hello all, > > I would really like the "open link" function to work under > gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration > and a Google search comes up empty. gnome-terminal/src/terminal-screen.c open_url (TerminalScreen *screen, const char *orig_url, int flavor) { GError *err; char *url; g_return_if_fail (orig_url != NULL); /* this is to handle gnome_url_show reentrancy */ g_object_ref (G_OBJECT (screen)); switch (flavor) { case FLAVOR_DEFAULT_TO_HTTP: url = g_strdup_printf ("http:%s", orig_url); break; case FLAVOR_EMAIL: if (strncmp ("mailto:", orig_url, 7)) url = g_strdup_printf ("mailto:%s", orig_url); else url = g_strdup (orig_url); break; case FLAVOR_AS_IS: url = g_strdup (orig_url); break; default: url = NULL; g_assert_not_reached (); } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 09:05:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F104616A476 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1F913C494 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so107586mue for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:05:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=S61BggVdoNnYaNId3HXYOPwKmLikGdMs0nf9Rvd6Mg2t239FVcNHmcXnh+0Xe+UGLzZ/1JQWe3QwuM+IZV5W2bgSNQiUM3iIp7sZSwYSd1fJAjWoDEK6ypwgzMVI9LMYp3CGu8otcQOr5EkXW4pkhScHW3umvNWBjJ9aZ9gb+r0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=k7EDcLfG1Qujg4+zMt6p7hiX1PyVfiJfk129/82AUpBjGwjzF20F4MVGyHjRiA11dKgVV4CQHhzKdiElIWo+DZVCSj4XoqOqcwxFrIKszrOc/tflaMSnTMHA+3BnqS9fvA/+5OFZASc3/M7RcpJ8Wx3MrJybE2Qqjfim2PfaNwA= Received: by 10.86.63.19 with SMTP id l19mr546298fga.1186563911941; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persephone.orchid.homeunix.org ( [84.10.173.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p38sm762119fke.2007.08.08.02.05.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B98737.4000208@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:04:55 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB2DF092931E5C206377ABCCC" Subject: How do I change atime/noatime on mounted filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: karol.kwiat@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:05:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB2DF092931E5C206377ABCCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, this is probably a silly question but... how do I change mount options to get atime back (after setting 'noatime') on mounted filesystem? I can't see option 'atime' in mount(8) but there's no 'suid' either. Here's what I'm trying to do: # mount | grep home /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, nosuid, soft-updates) # mount -u -o atime /home # mount | grep home /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) ( what happened to 'nosuid', btw? ) It works with suid/nosuid: # mount -u -o nosuid /home # mount | grep home /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, nosuid, soft-updates) # mount -u -o suid /home # mount | grep home /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT i386. What am I missing? Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP 0x06E09309 --------------enigB2DF092931E5C206377ABCCC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRrmHPghgT0HIecD5AQhvMggAje8QfhWk5OXQcP3RMGInXpP/Ho75Eyof pkXfVJAKp6Ns/zoqxa/G3KeCFlF+PzP8I9bQJoHpmTUzdB5sUkErLeh0zicfWw2D N1Gm3nQV1s5GCZ0CM6WRSJva/i+eNzxtVxSfQT0QNOnG2RCiVIeqs7JlUrY1EvSH Zgo506lyWxiFzDP4n2XUPvcxIZJlm3L3TRU0C1HVDKLN99XMt73dSHMc4Fz2n/LE zxdKDvcFgtfi/+aM1hSkRRD/V2Nk3ggGVNOkkG/N9TW7cf+NwlIvVhebLQOgKJ7R KEz22HLbm2/4W6ZOjTe8semQoYQX4hiIvuLngvu9QUcafYefU8IEeQ== =WCS4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB2DF092931E5C206377ABCCC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 09:43:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6732D16A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ngharibyan@mail.ru) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2-2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F22213C4F7 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:43:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ngharibyan@mail.ru) Received: from [91.103.27.104] (port=7539 helo=sis2w001) by mx2.mail.ru with asmtp id 1IIi4v-000ByV-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:43:46 +0400 From: "Narek Gharibyan" To: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:43:42 +0500 Message-ID: <003901c7d9a0$9d54bec0$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcfZl2rmtHhB7iMtQ/GqQkG1yzoZvAACSVgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Wathdog Timeout HELP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:43:51 -0000 Dear All, I recevice about 3-5 times per day xl0 : watchdog timeout, xl1 watchdog timeout. I tried to set BIOS value "Plug and Play O/S" to yes or no. None of the values help me. I use 3COM nics, I checked all nics operate under separate IRQ-s. When I receive this massage connection breaks for a few seconds. What to do? Regards, Narek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 10:55:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823DB16A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDAD13C459 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so33771nfb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:55:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=KF0FtUEht3PEzQzTpisOgWIwdmwwPvLL6vxPf0N213rvGUDFPACOsWbyQpYVB8H1lcy71hGN5SNXxU+khGf+eS4Vb3+RoDUTU14xG4ZaHU9mEoueY4Me7h5vaNY+2PxaQ6s2jsOsSPxITF7KyY6NEC7GV2jPbHvaIr1sCuMfIwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=fu7skCeHYBRbee2ChXocyl5a+TaA8PZPxoBDqlOiyr9/zvYL4H24kznWc5Pqxax9uc8W6kDP1m1sCqGrdZBfGqHSTJCzs/9FivkLjgKYklW514r/9gkEAkZ0aCghe9wSGkIpW2lav3trnlrOhLYvVspklq4hUYHUjUk1xnMJKS0= Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr473969huf.1186570536582; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm152649hue.2007.08.08.03.55.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.home.rakhesh.com (asterix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.23]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADE911420; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:55:11 +0400 (GST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:52:46 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@asterix.home.rakhesh.com To: Adam J Richardson In-Reply-To: <46B8EA90.1000305@crackmonkey.us> Message-ID: <20070808144355.B56590@asterix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46B8EA90.1000305@crackmonkey.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "Arend P. van der Veen" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb and cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:55:38 -0000 Adam J Richardson wrote: > Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: >> During my first few days with FreeBSD, however, I used to run ''portsdb >> -Fu''. My understanding is that that would fetch the INDEX-6 and update >> INDEX-6.db (since I am on FreeBSD 6.x) but I don't see why I should do this >> coz the INDEX files are updated when I update the ports tree anyways! (If I >> have understood this incorrectly, someone please correct me). > > Hi Rakhesh, > > What you say about the -F and -u flags sounds right. It's my understanding > that "portsdb -Fu" is only required when the ports database gets a little bit > messed up and the system prompts you. It's an easy one to remember, because > as Dru said in that article, you may be thinking something similar at the > time. ;) Heh, that really was a good mnemonic from Dru to remember these switches. BTW, Dru was talking about ''pkgdb -fu''. Different command, and lower-case "f". And that was for when the *packages* database gets messed up. At which point you'll probably have thoughts along that line in your head ... :) After some thought, I think the "-F" switch to ''portsdb'' is useful if you want to just search for what's new etc by downloading the latest copy of the INDEX file and using that instead of downloading the ports tree changes. That way, if you are into the portupgrade tools, you can do a ''portsdb -Fu'' to get the latest INDEX files and update INDEX.db. You can search for ports using ''pkg_glob''. And you can find what's newer compared to the installed software using ''portversion''. No need to update your ports tree to do all this! Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 11:00:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9FB16A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149DA13C48E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so34045nfb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:00:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=aLFqNBTUR7OKdwKZVNaB6YN632uqfASIYKQsL92BNypKHX2FqKFpqVR22K+p2uW8rrRYUlDsoNUQlshu0DL1uIuCVlcjdwZCR6zm1qqFKEsaEPc7HWDP/mJIOYaNvgpAj+HP8u8J8+UT63cIqRfDHSH+9LfP/iUzIgbcWXXFpkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=ijmKumBmVbNajZ1YoWH/TqT3TJvav0Zj4nlKmSP/JjVFVP4mZmwHKOfkPkSiHyymLmqbeqPvvcPPMqbtVsolAQkJdpzyea6O7OKDv9g34pTy3ZqGybh31HkNdbw28denSvLWcPuvVFsowWI/B5h3Fh2aP1u8yReYQ9pefaxcfbY= Received: by 10.78.200.20 with SMTP id x20mr514159huf.1186570816635; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm228974hue.2007.08.08.04.00.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.home.rakhesh.com (asterix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.23]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCD311420; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:59:48 +0400 (GST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:57:23 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@asterix.home.rakhesh.com To: Adam J Richardson In-Reply-To: <20070808144355.B56590@asterix.home.rakhesh.com> Message-ID: <20070808145611.W58223@asterix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <46B5E0F8.7050405@att.net> <20070806083111.F74284@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46B8EA90.1000305@crackmonkey.us> <20070808144355.B56590@asterix.home.rakhesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "Arend P. van der Veen" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb and cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:00:18 -0000 > BTW, Dru was talking about ''pkgdb -fu''. Different command, and lower-case > "f". And that was for when the *packages* database gets messed up. At which > point you'll probably have thoughts along that line in your head ... :) I just had a look at the pkgdb manpage. My bad. It is upper-case "f". Lower-case "f" is for forcing things. Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 11:35:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F7E16A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F3C13C442 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so241746pye for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=FyLn0PeDgePzfo3ZZS+97YU8gknxwE3OUS552lz94rnNWD4sbotPsIKbQ1HhD8gUr7YqyxnIu9btJgUS6GrhYEGpa93kxUPZ2qHTH2EUrf8Gpt00kgByPWRw3OBNq7FUQH00zmx1ScZI4tnth35KS3WjN01lNak5Mo371S9Z7KA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ltiqXPDi4piQaWOEwBoGOrutSXEvee2XqBtqYXPA7xmD2XU6BnkC5l1zzwHMYoTn/SyJ+DVsBhJQUVr2OnsKUQsL5qNnpefds7jSRNXNQIpqL5YRSK7VMDVdSUh/yf79HmIaCGvDNif6/mbD7TNqZUoFvQWU7S6bJXEnx7usF4k= Received: by 10.64.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr1621936qbf.1186572942666; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.208.1 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 04:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:42 -0400 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: what to do with this..? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:35:45 -0000 Hi, i have a serial files named as 1.zip, 2.z01, 3.z02, etc. what to do with this? I tried unzip but have trouble, thansk!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 11:42:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566D216A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cuongvt@fpt.vn) Received: from isp-fcmail.FPT.NET (isp-fcmail.fpt.net [210.245.0.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C273613C457 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cuongvt@fpt.vn) Received: from isp-go.FPT.NET ([210.245.0.153]) by isp-fcmail.FPT.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:42:18 +0700 Received: from isp-mta3.fpt.vn ([210.245.0.150]) by isp-go.FPT.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:42:17 +0700 Received: from [58.187.35.192] by isp-mta3.fpt.vn [210.245.0.150] Message-ID: <46B9AC10.2080103@fpt.vn> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:42:08 +0700 From: vuthecuong User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rakhesh Sasidharan References: <46B426F0.2040201@fpt.vn> <46B4292E.5010903@infracaninophile.co.uk> <46B452D0.5050701@fpt.vn> <20070806172333.G15231@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070806172333.G15231@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 11:42:17.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BF258D0:01C7D9B1] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not start phpmyadmin after upgrade to 2.10.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:42:21 -0000 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > >>>> Today when after upgrade phpmyadmin through portupgrade from 2.10.2 to >>>> 2.10.3 >>>> when I browse to phpmyadmin page, it said: >>>> >>>> >>>> phpMyAdmin - Error >>>> >>>> Cannot start session without errors, please check errors given in your >>>> PHP and/or webserver log file and configure your PHP installation >>>> properly. > > >> [Sat Aug 04 17:13:50 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down >> [Sat Aug 04 17:15:37 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not >> configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] > > Are you accessing using phpMyAdmin over an HTTPS link? The above line > in the log file seems to indicate some problem with the HTTPS > configuration. (Possibly not, I'm just asking to eliminate that). > > I would also suggest turning ON some logging in your php.ini file. > That way we could get more info on what's causing the error. (That's > what I'd do if I had an error message like this). > > Hope that helps. > > Rakhesh > Hello I found that every time I browsed to http://localhost/phpmyadmin the screen became blank (while gallery2 and drupal did not). Then in http error log file, these lines where appended: [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11734 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11733 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11732 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11731 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11730 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11743 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11742 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11741 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) I searched google with no luck. I think the cause is not phpmyadmin of apache22 themself, is this PHP bug? That's my thought. Anyhelp would be highly appriciated. Pls help me :( Tnx in advanced From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 11:59:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CD516A468 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D279613C461 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from lack-of-gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l78Bx6vY080667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:59:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1186574358; bh=Se4u4RJBG1CWGB kaVoFCPth1scAj2xKgIGxQ/EclA0o=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Organization: User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc: Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version: References:To; b=FbbhakAvaKic3nwSzd0G65eaSRl5q5M5UtluAGZGlvsqrgg8y 9K95cJl1sGeFoI26RKDY1Dddru4PWxEYOLdebbxFODZYJ5Fch1xu1v97dyarZtorPon g8sn3DiSLdMWHiXVWIXOLxSR+lhx/HMF0zCWv5W1Wz0lW9qyMs6Y+hQ= Message-ID: <46B9B00A.70303@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:59:06 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070807) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vuthecuong References: <46B426F0.2040201@fpt.vn> <46B4292E.5010903@infracaninophile.co.uk> <46B452D0.5050701@fpt.vn> <20070806172333.G15231@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46B9AC10.2080103@fpt.vn> In-Reply-To: <46B9AC10.2080103@fpt.vn> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:59:18 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3892/Wed Aug 8 11:05:19 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Rakhesh Sasidharan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not start phpmyadmin after upgrade to 2.10.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:59:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 vuthecuong wrote: > > > Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: >> >>>>> Today when after upgrade phpmyadmin through portupgrade from 2.10.2 to >>>>> 2.10.3 >>>>> when I browse to phpmyadmin page, it said: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> phpMyAdmin - Error >>>>> >>>>> Cannot start session without errors, please check errors given in your >>>>> PHP and/or webserver log file and configure your PHP installation >>>>> properly. >> >> >>> [Sat Aug 04 17:13:50 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down >>> [Sat Aug 04 17:15:37 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not >>> configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] >> >> Are you accessing using phpMyAdmin over an HTTPS link? The above line >> in the log file seems to indicate some problem with the HTTPS >> configuration. (Possibly not, I'm just asking to eliminate that). >> >> I would also suggest turning ON some logging in your php.ini file. >> That way we could get more info on what's causing the error. (That's >> what I'd do if I had an error message like this). >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Rakhesh >> > Hello > I found that every time I browsed to http://localhost/phpmyadmin > the screen became blank (while gallery2 and drupal did not). > Then in http error log file, these lines where appended: > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11734 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11733 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11732 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11731 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11730 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11743 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11742 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11741 exit signal > Segmentation fault (11) > I searched google with no luck. > > I think the cause is not phpmyadmin of apache22 themself, is this PHP bug? > That's my thought. > Anyhelp would be highly appriciated. > Pls help me :( > Tnx in advanced There have been issues reported previously where PHP would crash because the entries in /usr/local/etc/php/extension.ini happened to be in the wrong order. I wonder if that is what you are seeing? You can also have problems if you manage to mix up having apache linked against the ports version of OpenSSL and PHP linked against the base system version of OpenSSL (or vice versa) See, for instance: http://freebsd.rambler.ru/bsdmail/freebsd-stable_2006/msg09698.html (plenty of other examples to be found by searching on that site) Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGubAJ3jDkPpsZ+VYRA1JYAKDBMkoRfIKw6O8J9svacZo4QDr+vQCdHWO9 oO/lIz3GEU/ume2swWkjxFw= =AtHh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 12:23:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6236716A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antennex@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B2D13C483 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antennex@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.130.107]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 05:11:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 05:11:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.130.123 by by125fd.bay125.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.68.247.73] X-Originating-Email: [antennex@hotmail.com] X-Sender: antennex@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1F65B63B-94D0-4AD5-A128-D5C03875E052@gmail.com> From: "Jack Stone" To: mnslinky@gmail.com, ngharibyan@mail.ru Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:11:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 12:11:33.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[428A8230:01C7D9B5] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, xyin@bluebottle.com Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: orvilleg@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:23:33 -0000 >From: Eric Crist >To: Narek Gharibyan >CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'Xihong Yin' >Subject: Re: restart network without shutdown >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:42:11 -0500 > >Install screen from ports, run it from within screen. > >You'll still get disconnected, but you should be able to reconnect after >it's done. Screen will allow the script to complete, whereas your ssh >session is killing it half/part way through... > >HTH > >Eric Crist > > >On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:19 AMAug 7, 2007, Narek Gharibyan wrote: > >>I think the best way is >> >>/etc/netstart >> >>but when you try it via ssh connection it outputs an fatal error and your >>ssh hangs up. You cannot connect again via ssh. >> >>But you can do it via console and everything will ok. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Xihong Yin >>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:02 PM >>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: restart network without shutdown >> >>How can I restart my network card without shutdown/reboot? I use DHCP. >> >>Thanks, >> When running a command from a remote connection & concerned about a disconnect, then run it via cron set to run within a few minutes. Screen sounds good too -- never used that one. HTH.... Jack _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 12:27:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D57516A421 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF6313C461 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so108969rvb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:27:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VGUv8QaaGfM6butpAukVaaILzqg2N1/PwicVvb3dd1/10uZaGOmnZWDCw/VjMjj84M6zzHb4TYJrOlHyYJnxFFfp520wpY1e8e1fKAhH+5+yNum+s/hzhnkHyHv2HjKmHBY198JWi7dyR9ZsqY93veLzxAW2VANYJVE/x5TE424= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n1y6wvMW3LGG26hBJ4JTyhjrMA6J6Ccw5MR3drI0iSwqtoSTkaYEQ0O7BOZrinCjtFNtxF0rhzqu4q9llsO6vkLMwZPQrHVTc0TNgtIdPlTs5du5DDmaFwP7Ri5p1TZ4gbtFPLtO+Bhw+TWxXqsvDFNM+sjO8A+bvIDfUApFP6o= Received: by 10.141.129.14 with SMTP id g14mr494894rvn.1186576066918; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.207.2 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 05:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64c038660708080527l44224601tf2f617d0e7c62fd0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:27:46 -0600 From: Modulok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> Cc: josh.carroll@gmail.com, dnelson@allantgroup.com, fatman.uk@gmail.com Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:27:50 -0000 You guys are sweethearts. We're ship-shape again :) Thanks all who contributed. -Modulok- On 8/7/07, Modulok wrote: > I have a bizarre entry in the routing table on one my machines. What > is it, and how do I delete it? The output of "netstat -rnf inet" is > shown below: > > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > 0&0xc0a80132 link#1 UCS 0 0 bge0 > 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 557 lo0 > ... > > QUESTIONS > 1. The first entry, it's not IPv4, IPv6 or a MAC address that I've > ever seen, what format is it? > 2. How do I delete it? According to route(8) it is not a "valid > address" and when I attempt to delete it, route(8) gets very upset: > > root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 > > [1] 37343 > route: writing to routing socket: No such process > delete net 0: not in table > 0xc0a80132: Command not found. > [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 > > Thoughts? > -Modulok- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 13:01:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C6416A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3252513C491 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.5) with SMTP id XAA17531; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:01:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:01:29 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <20070808120020.3564C16A476@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Adam J Richardson Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:01:44 -0000 On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:37:50 -0700 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Aug 7, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Adam J Richardson wrote: > > Modulok wrote: > >> 0&0xc0a80132 link#1 UCS 0 0 bge0 > > > >> 1. The first entry, it's not IPv4, IPv6 or a MAC address that I've > >> ever seen, what format is it? > > > > Hi Modulok, > > > > It's possible to represent IPv4 addresses as a single number. I > > don't recall the algorithm for converting that four byte dot- > > delimited group into an integer, though, so I can't tell you what > > number it is. Perhaps you can Google the algorithm and do the math > > to figure out what it is. > > aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd => 0xAABBCCDD, where AA = hex(aaa), BB = hex(bbb), etc. > In particular, 0xc0a80132 is the hex equivalent of 192.168.1.50. > > An IP address + netmask can normally be represented in the routing > table via the slash notation-- say 192.168.1.50/24 meaning a > 255.255.255.0 (or 0xffffff00) netmask. Non-contiguous netmasks are > represented by "address & netmask", but since no normal network ever > uses such a netmask, they almost always represent a > misconfiguration-- someone confused the arguments such that the route > command interpreted the gateway IP as a netmask instead. Been there; in my case it was a rogue route added by an ifconfig with an incorrect - as you say, non-contiguous - netmask. In this case it might have been specified/interpreted as 0.0.0.0 netmask 192.168.1.50 ? Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 13:30:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645BD16A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from recife.ipad.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1F613C4D0 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from lobo.ipad.com.br ([192.168.64.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by recife.ipad.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l78DUXTi028525 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:30:34 -0300 From: Mario Lobo Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:30:31 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 X-Face: "j9,S@~?m[/.]/lb=?utf-8?q?S=5D=2EI=0A=09ITlWP=3A-?=" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708081330.32485.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> Subject: IDE ultraDMA problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:30:37 -0000 Hello to all; I had a MSI mobo 645 Ultra with 1.5G ram, pentium 4 1.7 Ghz, 3 IDE HD, 1 SAMSUNG 80 G, 1 SAMSUNG 120 G, maxtor 120 G and a LG DVD writer. FreeBSD 6.2 recognized all HDs as ultraDMA 100. Fine. Then a bought a ASUS p5vd2-x, 1G ram, Gforce 7200 video(pci-e), pentium D 940 Dual core and kept the same drives. After tuning and recompiling the kernel a couple times, I got almost everything working great ! SMP, acpi, network, you name it, EXCEPT ultraDMA. if I leave: hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 hw.ata.ata_dma: 1 FreeBSD reports them (all) at ultraDMA 33. The system boots ok but after 7 or 10 minutes (even if doing nothing), I start geting messages from g_vfs_xxxx(); WRITE DMAERROR that can come from any of the drives until the system becomes unstable and ends up rebooting itself. if I leave: hw.ata.atapi_dma: 0 hw.ata.ata_dma: 0 The HDs get down to PIO 4 and the system works fine but at an incredible performance cost. Finacial issues force me to make this work instead of buying more stuff. Thanks for any suggestions, -- ********************************************************** //| //| Mario Lobo // |// | http://www.ipad.com.br // // ||||||| FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free ********************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 13:34:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA53516A420 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B8613C45A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.5) with SMTP id XAA18123; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:34:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:34:32 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Tsu-Fan Cheng In-Reply-To: <20070808120020.3564C16A476@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what to do with this..? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:34:41 -0000 On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > i have a serial files named as 1.zip, 2.z01, 3.z02, etc. what to do with > this? I tried unzip but have trouble, thansk!! assuming that you have installed port or package archivers/unzip .. You can 'unzip 1' for 1.zip, but need to 'unzip 2.z01' and so on; that is, you need to specify the full filename unless it ends in '.zip', but unzip will work on any valid zipfile whatever it's called. See unzip(1) Try running 'unzip -l 2.z01' and if it lists properly, 'unzip -t 2.z01' to test the archive contents, before unzipping for real. If that doesn't help, quote us exactly what you try, and the response. Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 13:47:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B98516A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cuongvt@fpt.vn) Received: from isp-fcmail.FPT.NET (isp-fcmail.fpt.net [210.245.0.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F7313C461 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cuongvt@fpt.vn) Received: from isp-go.FPT.NET ([210.245.0.153]) by isp-fcmail.FPT.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:47:20 +0700 Received: from isp-mta3.fpt.vn ([210.245.0.150]) by isp-go.FPT.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:47:20 +0700 Received: from [58.187.35.192] by isp-mta3.fpt.vn [210.245.0.150] Message-ID: <46B9C965.5030904@fpt.vn> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:47:17 +0700 From: vuthecuong User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Lidstr=F6m?= References: <46B426F0.2040201@fpt.vn> <46B4292E.5010903@infracaninophile.co.uk> <46B452D0.5050701@fpt.vn> <20070806172333.G15231@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46B9AC10.2080103@fpt.vn> <20070808141507.v5qmxqxfcw48c8s0@mail.lidstrom.eu> In-Reply-To: <20070808141507.v5qmxqxfcw48c8s0@mail.lidstrom.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 13:47:20.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4213130:01C7D9C2] Cc: Rakhesh Sasidharan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not start phpmyadmin after upgrade to 2.10.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:47:25 -0000 Henrik Lidström wrote: > Citerar vuthecuong : > >> >> >> Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: >>> >>>>>> Today when after upgrade phpmyadmin through portupgrade from >>>>>> 2.10.2 to >>>>>> 2.10.3 >>>>>> when I browse to phpmyadmin page, it said: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> phpMyAdmin - Error >>>>>> >>>>>> Cannot start session without errors, please check errors given in >>>>>> your >>>>>> PHP and/or webserver log file and configure your PHP >>>>>> installation properly. >>> >>> >>>> [Sat Aug 04 17:13:50 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down >>>> [Sat Aug 04 17:15:37 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not >>>> configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] >>> >>> Are you accessing using phpMyAdmin over an HTTPS link? The above >>> line in the log file seems to indicate some problem with the HTTPS >>> configuration. (Possibly not, I'm just asking to eliminate that). >>> >>> I would also suggest turning ON some logging in your php.ini file. >>> That way we could get more info on what's causing the error. >>> (That's what I'd do if I had an error message like this). >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Rakhesh >>> >> Hello >> I found that every time I browsed to http://localhost/phpmyadmin >> the screen became blank (while gallery2 and drupal did not). >> Then in http error log file, these lines where appended: >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11734 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11733 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11732 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11731 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:12 2007] [notice] child pid 11730 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11743 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11742 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> [Mon Aug 06 19:23:14 2007] [notice] child pid 11741 exit signal >> Segmentation fault (11) >> I searched google with no luck. >> >> I think the cause is not phpmyadmin of apache22 themself, is this PHP >> bug? >> That's my thought. >> Anyhelp would be highly appriciated. >> Pls help me :( >> Tnx in advanced >> > > Just wanted to add a "me too". Exactly the same problem. > Working - portupgrade /var/db/pkg/phpMyAdmin-xx - not working. > > Haven't had time to investigate yet. > 6.2, PHP 4.4.7, Apache22, Jailed. > > I read somewhere about a problem running PHP with Suhosin-Patch within > a jail (which I am), maybe thats the problem.. > > /Henrik > My server: 6.2 p5, apache2.2.4, php 5.2.3: latest From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 13:59:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD5916A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: from srvdmz13.oekb.co.at (srvdmz13.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F090213C45A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_08_08_15_58_59 X-SEF-7853D99-ADF1-478E-8894-213D316B8FFA: 1 Received: from msc01-n1 [143.245.2.187] by srvdmz13.oekb.co.at - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:58:59 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at ([143.245.9.16]) by MAIL1.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:59 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost.oekb.co.at [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l78Dwx6r003244 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l78Dwwvb003243 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:58 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070808135858.GA2847@aurora.oekb.co.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 13:58:59.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[45109300:01C7D9C4] Subject: lagg(4) - configuration for /etc/rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:59:02 -0000 Hi, Thanks to the hints posted here about "failover redundancy" I've successfully set up lagg(4) in order to have a machine with redundant failover connection to two switches. The only thing that's missing is the correct configuration in /etc/rc.conf. Here's what I've got so far in my rc.conf: defaultrouter="192.168.9.1" if_lagg_load="YES" ifconfig_bge0="UP" ifconfig_bge1="UP" ifconfig_lagg0="create" ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto failover laggport bge0 laggport bge1 192.168.9.5 netmask 255.255.255.0" The problem is that once the machine boots the "lagg0" interface doesn't get created/activated; a "ifconfig" done after booting shows that no lagg interface is there, but the physical interfaces (bge0, bge1) are UP. Only after I manually enable the lagg-interface it with "ifconfig lagg0 create" the interface is created but then it automagically gets the right IP-address and routing also works: # ifconfig bge0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX ) status: active lagg: laggdev lagg0 bge1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lagg: laggdev lagg0 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 lagg0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b inet 192.168.9.5 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.9.255 ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 media: Ethernet autoselect status: active laggproto failover laggport: bge1 flags=4 laggport: bge0 flags=5 I've tried numerous variations of the "ifconfig_lagg0"-lines in /etc/rc.conf above - with or without create etc. - to no extent. Upon boot the lagg-interface remains down basically cutting of the box from the network until I enable the lagg-interface from the console :-(. Thanks much in advance for any clue, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 14:11:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB416A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0662513C465 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so52850nzf for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kybYaClutSxguS1QgXdwTibuv9+Ess6WCZ/D7NuXvaJw+11BeY/nppZC/Jx3+wNtlqVKTiEbAxcGhf9++6nB7+k2UdslfSKWxHXHNUyeJ6mjPwe0q2X0JtdzbufBBaqXK5witPPCSds79TvN2a4amDvNPT442Smb4W5ZwuWeVA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UMgaa+N/e4k3y0s8tHudJ/0zryVIv7xLowb9rdLtCXEaohYB1kLYvkGbAOvNbeV9OS/648On73jN2H8ICIihSQj31A7IOpUKx5u/xGuiTR616pLrs8QcEf/swrw8bRVGgwSN2QVNDUOI+ud7RIZ/s3Ir5WEBpPGWW8Ty2whPZAE= Received: by 10.65.159.3 with SMTP id l3mr870432qbo.1186582301064; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.208.1 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:11:41 -0400 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: "Rolf G Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <46B9CBFD.7080301@lazlarlyricon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46B9CBFD.7080301@lazlarlyricon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: what to do with this..? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:11:42 -0000 On 8/8/07, Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > > Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > Hi, > > i have a serial files named as 1.zip, 2.z01, 3.z02, etc. what to do > with > > this? I tried unzip but have trouble, thansk!! > > > > TFC > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > If they're parts of the same archive, that's been split, just cat them > together: > > cat *.z?? > archive.zip > > (to get the files in correct order, you might need to specify every file > instead, depending on how they're named). > > Then run > > zip -F archive.zip > > This should give you a fully compliant zip file, that you can unzip. > > -- > > Sincerly, > > Rolf Nielsen > right on, I cat files from *.z01, *.z02.. *.zip into one archive, then unzip it, it works!! thanks!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 14:37:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B680616A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE4113C46B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l78EXs1k074916; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:33:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l78EXs9h074915; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:33:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:33:54 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Peter Clark Message-ID: <20070808143354.GB74865@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <469D09B7.5000908@mtmary.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <469D09B7.5000908@mtmary.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:37:22 -0000 On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 01:25:59PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > Hello all, > > Does anyone have any experience dealing with www.freebsdsystems.com ? I > am looking to purchase some servers that will work a with a minimum of > hardware challenges. I have seen an occasional good comment, but have never used their hardware myself. I would consider them if I was buying a significant capacity server. ////jerry > > Thanks in advance, > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 14:47:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D6616A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653E713C48A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l78El8tR062112; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:47:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l78El8eL062109; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:47:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:47:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070808164646.J62070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: what to do with this..? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:47:26 -0000 > > You can 'unzip 1' for 1.zip, but need to 'unzip 2.z01' and so on; that > is, you need to specify the full filename unless it ends in '.zip', but > unzip will work on any valid zipfile whatever it's called. See unzip(1) > > Try running 'unzip -l 2.z01' and if it lists properly, 'unzip -t 2.z01' > to test the archive contents, before unzipping for real. > > If that doesn't help, quote us exactly what you try, and the response. possibly it's simply splited files so cat ?.z* >onefile.zip and then unzipping? > > Cheers, Ian > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 14:48:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAB716A468 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31FE13C4A8 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=E/Lx8JwtpjmfCbyqE00Q5TUOmMhlPH5xILaI0KjqKWX7Oz1SeOOCSzcrhdk3Ykk1; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.183.128.206] (helo=wednesday) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IImLd-0001LX-9V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: <03ab01c7d9c6$d33cd600$0225a8c0@wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> <8cb6106e0708071331v47c866beh2296110c75a846c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:17:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b57112081bea3e5d4036f0fa0460e56192b03cff966978d6047df59350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.183.128.206 Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:48:40 -0000 From: "Josh Carroll" >> root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 >> >> [1] 37343 >> route: writing to routing socket: No such process >> delete net 0: not in table >> 0xc0a80132: Command not found. >> [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 > >> root# route delete 0&0xc0a80132 >> >> [1] 37343 >> route: writing to routing socket: No such process >> delete net 0: not in table >> 0xc0a80132: Command not found. >> [1] + Exit 1 route delete 0 > > I've no idea whether that is a valid route or not, but the reason > you're getting that funkiness is that the shell is eating the & and > thinks you are sending the route process to the background. Try: > > route delete '0&0xc0a80132' There goes 192.168.1.50. {^_-} Joanne From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 14:52:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A524416A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F25D13C494 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l78Emp8a006835; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:48:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l78Eqngo014377; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:52:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:52:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <58934.208.49.58.254.1186584769.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <20070808143354.GB74865@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <469D09B7.5000908@mtmary.edu> <20070808143354.GB74865@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:52:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Doug Poland" To: "Jerry McAllister" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/3893/Wed Aug 8 07:54:42 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Peter Clark , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:52:53 -0000 On Wed, August 8, 2007 09:33, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 01:25:59PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Does anyone have any experience dealing with www.freebsdsystems.com >> I am looking to purchase some servers that will work a with a >> minimum of hardware challenges. > > I have seen an occasional good comment, but have never used their > hardware myself. I would consider them if I was buying a > significant capacity server. > I have used two of their servers for over three years. Support is excellent and the hardware has been problem free. I recommend them highly. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 14:58:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DCF16A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DEA13C4A3 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (sky_cpfw-1.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.130]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E5AA0882; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:58:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46B9DA1C.1010906@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:58:36 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ewald Jenisch References: <20070808135858.GA2847@aurora.oekb.co.at> In-Reply-To: <20070808135858.GA2847@aurora.oekb.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lagg(4) - configuration for /etc/rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:58:42 -0000 Written by Ewald Jenisch on 08/08/07 08:58>> > Hi, > > Thanks to the hints posted here about "failover redundancy" I've > successfully set up lagg(4) in order to have a machine with redundant > failover connection to two switches. > > > The only thing that's missing is the correct configuration in > /etc/rc.conf. > > Here's what I've got so far in my rc.conf: > > defaultrouter="192.168.9.1" > if_lagg_load="YES" > ifconfig_bge0="UP" > ifconfig_bge1="UP" > ifconfig_lagg0="create" > ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto failover laggport bge0 laggport bge1 192.168.9.5 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > The problem is that once the machine boots the "lagg0" interface > doesn't get created/activated; a "ifconfig" done after booting shows > that no lagg interface is there, but the physical interfaces (bge0, > bge1) are UP. > > > Only after I manually enable the lagg-interface it with "ifconfig > lagg0 create" the interface is created but then it automagically gets > the right IP-address and routing also works: > > # ifconfig > bge0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX ) > status: active > lagg: laggdev lagg0 > bge1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > lagg: laggdev lagg0 > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > lagg0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > inet 192.168.9.5 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.9.255 > ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 > media: Ethernet autoselect > status: active > laggproto failover > laggport: bge1 flags=4 > laggport: bge0 flags=5 > > > I've tried numerous variations of the "ifconfig_lagg0"-lines in > /etc/rc.conf above - with or without create etc. - to no extent. Upon > boot the lagg-interface remains down basically cutting of the box from > the network until I enable the lagg-interface from the console :-(. > > Thanks much in advance for any clue, > -ewald > > Remember that what you put in rc.conf are variables, not instructions. You first define ifconfig_lagg0 to be "create", but then you turn around and redefine it to be "laggproto failover laggport bge0 laggport bge1 192.168.9.5 netmask 255.255.255.0". So when /etc/rc.d/netif fires off to configure interfaces, this redefinition is used for configuring the lagg0 interface. If you define ifconfig_lagg0 to be "create laggproto failover laggport bge0 laggport bge1 192.168.9.5 netmask 255.255.255.0", I would expect it to do what you want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 15:17:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E135416A469 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80F413C465 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from localhost (jn@ns1 [69.55.238.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l78FHm2r047378; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:17:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:17:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20070808135858.GA2847@aurora.oekb.co.at> In-Reply-To: <20070808135858.GA2847@aurora.oekb.co.at> X-Face: #X5#Y*q>F:]zT!DegL3z5Xo'^MN[$8k\[4^3rN~wm=s=Uw(sW}R?3b^*f1Wu*.<=?utf-8?q?of=5F4NrS=0A=09P*M/9CpxDo!D6?=)IY1w<9B1jB; tBQf[RU-R<,I)e"$q7N7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708081117.12825.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Ewald Jenisch Subject: Re: lagg(4) - configuration for /etc/rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:17:50 -0000 On Wednesday 08 August 2007 09:58:58 am Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Thanks to the hints posted here about "failover redundancy" I've > successfully set up lagg(4) in order to have a machine with redundant > failover connection to two switches. > > > The only thing that's missing is the correct configuration in > /etc/rc.conf. > > Here's what I've got so far in my rc.conf: > > defaultrouter="192.168.9.1" > if_lagg_load="YES" This belongs in /boot/loader.conf, not /etc/rc.conf. > ifconfig_bge0="UP" > ifconfig_bge1="UP" > ifconfig_lagg0="create" This should be: cloned_interfaces="lagg0" Once you fix those two things you should be in good shape. JN > ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto failover laggport bge0 laggport bge1 192.168.9.5 > netmask 255.255.255.0" > > > The problem is that once the machine boots the "lagg0" interface > doesn't get created/activated; a "ifconfig" done after booting shows > that no lagg interface is there, but the physical interfaces (bge0, > bge1) are UP. > > > Only after I manually enable the lagg-interface it with "ifconfig > lagg0 create" the interface is created but then it automagically gets > the right IP-address and routing also works: > > # ifconfig > bge0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX ) > status: active > lagg: laggdev lagg0 > bge1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > lagg: laggdev lagg0 > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > lagg0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > inet 192.168.9.5 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.9.255 > ether 00:08:02:47:0d:56 > media: Ethernet autoselect > status: active > laggproto failover > laggport: bge1 flags=4 > laggport: bge0 flags=5 > > > I've tried numerous variations of the "ifconfig_lagg0"-lines in > /etc/rc.conf above - with or without create etc. - to no extent. Upon > boot the lagg-interface remains down basically cutting of the box from > the network until I enable the lagg-interface from the console :-(. > > Thanks much in advance for any clue, > -ewald > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 15:24:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A485816A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spbutsana@yahoo.fr) Received: from web27503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 200C613C48A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spbutsana@yahoo.fr) Received: (qmail 62971 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2007 15:24:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cZ5jwNadx9K98/J7+qFH8AOEB+juoP8KU0ZHVNRpADDUPQi1N7IDvoWeZUyuNag2TUlN15aRBlnxjdJeCDFjPJkkCdFgVg1+ptdjGWHwaAPEhzEvdWNpSTtQCB/QZYhGWfvaCykH09tRF4rhaHw7shg8AmuudTcy3wxoi4aRArw=; X-YMail-OSG: J3Gb2D8VM1nYNXjCGCr9Yxkc51Z9ZUDm_r2hUwE97v14ps0lKJ13LK61dAiAaBCajkZyMe6ZSYELWJMEwZaPrdTDyhdpkg29JyFbcvxkbzvua.6qKeHJEDBerV0- Received: from [134.146.0.28] by web27503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:24:12 CEST Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:24:12 +0200 (CEST) From: simon butsana To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <762490.62783.qm@web27503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Tool to automate web application installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:24:14 -0000 Hi, I have just built an application that will be using Apache, PHP, MySQL. I am now looking for a tool that will enable me to automate the installation of the software, so human intervention will be kept as low as possible. Basically, the tool will have to install, with one single command (and probably a number of parameters), Apache, PHP, MySQL, as well as modify some config files (mainly php.ini) Does anyone have clues? Regards, Simon Simon-Pierre Butsana spbutsana@yahoo.fr "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." —Isaac Asimov --------------------------------- Découvrez le blog Yahoo! Mail : derničres nouveautés, astuces, conseils.. et vos réactions ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 15:29:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCBC16A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1714913C46B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so338995pye for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:29:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Q1iDNE5TagPPzNSHDMTmZgBi5x7hd8Mh6kqxX7TPzl/ZINK+1RWOSA5sG00ZWtm3nmh0P/1RT/Viea6u+1eR+3ArdcWJXn+lfSgMcvdpYFdMGI9vVxL+ceKrRcvjKaDYWEEQ4vAzIbx0I1QJ5izttykvhls+slo2u8aGLqqtMZ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TA4doiPwyTW0+1HLfG3ck1jaQMSoSMG6edvizHQlq3fWYX1NGwTWQT3F7Vpkp/S/OOHeZsRsMkInShaNdcI6sOaWdqbnppxZE/qQ0e1S1CrHbU/Dl5KyUGLBlps0ItyDB0Npn/ao6+bF9dkf4gRSuZDR86MahX1Lqti3Piocbg0= Received: by 10.35.82.16 with SMTP id j16mr1603763pyl.1186586969839; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.67.17 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <105fa37b0708080829i387a54efvf8e8208794ec7356@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:29:29 -0400 From: "Hakan K" To: "simon butsana" In-Reply-To: <762490.62783.qm@web27503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <762490.62783.qm@web27503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool to automate web application installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:29:34 -0000 http://apache2triad.net/ http://www.alexatnet.com/node/47 PM: I used apache2triad 4-5 years ago once.. It worked fine.. Thanks Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/8/07, simon butsana wrote: > > Hi, > > I have just built an application that will be using Apache, PHP, MySQL. > > I am now looking for a tool that will enable me to automate the > installation of the software, so human intervention will be kept as low a= s > possible. > > Basically, the tool will have to install, with one single command (and > probably a number of parameters), Apache, PHP, MySQL, as well as modify s= ome > config files (mainly php.ini) > > Does anyone have clues? > > Regards, > > Simon > > > Simon-Pierre Butsana > spbutsana@yahoo.fr > > "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." =97Isaac Asimov > > > > --------------------------------- > D=E9couvrez le blog Yahoo! Mail : derni=E8res nouveaut=E9s, astuces, cons= eils.. > et vos r=E9actions ! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 16:01:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B627016A469 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: from srvdmz13.oekb.co.at (srvdmz13.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED32613C4A5 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_08_08_18_01_13 X-SEF-7853D99-ADF1-478E-8894-213D316B8FFA: 1 Received: from msc01-n1 [143.245.2.187] by srvdmz13.oekb.co.at - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.2.1); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:01:13 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at ([143.245.9.16]) by MAIL1.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:01:14 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost.oekb.co.at [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l78G1DOD004043; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:01:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l78G1DLO004042; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:01:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:01:13 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: John Nielsen Message-ID: <20070808160113.GA3998@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20070808135858.GA2847@aurora.oekb.co.at> <200708081117.12825.lists@jnielsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708081117.12825.lists@jnielsen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 16:01:14.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[58A7EC90:01C7D9D5] Cc: Ewald Jenisch , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lagg(4) - configuration for /etc/rc.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:01:15 -0000 On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:17:12AM -0400, John Nielsen wrote: > > if_lagg_load="YES" > > This belongs in /boot/loader.conf, not /etc/rc.conf. > > > ifconfig_bge0="UP" > > ifconfig_bge1="UP" > > ifconfig_lagg0="create" > > This should be: > cloned_interfaces="lagg0" > Hi, Implemented the changes you mentioned - and everything works like a charm now :-). Thanks alot for your quick help! -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 17:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D46B16A4A6 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2560613C46B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: by smtp.3dresearch.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 7B3F0E209C; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:21:58 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 71.61.128.39 (auth. user janos@imap.3dresearch.com) by vmail.3dresearch.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:21:58 -0500 X-IlohaMail-Blah: janos@imap.3dresearch.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: vmail.3dresearch.com) Message-ID: From: "Janos Dohanics" Bounce-To: "Janos Dohanics" Errors-To: "Janos Dohanics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What is my disk usage? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:04:15 -0000 du is acting strange on my system: # du /usr/X11R6 4 /usr/X11R6/share/locale 8 /usr/X11R6/share 12 /usr/X11R6 # du -h /usr/X11R6 2.0K /usr/X11R6/share/locale 4.0K /usr/X11R6/share 6.0K /usr/X11R6 # du -k /usr/X11R6 2 /usr/X11R6/share/locale 4 /usr/X11R6/share 6 /usr/X11R6 This seems to be happening only after I have sudo'd myself. du reports consistent numbers if I run it as myself or if I su first. This is a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE system with snapshots enabled. Any ideas? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 17:09:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF1316A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnslinky@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D17B13C45D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnslinky@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so387206pye for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WeCRJ13ArrWhQ9E5wSinfwL1yKe7a8De9z0dKIEbhr/4LxHZBofSOkMVbKwcHj78GZeHtswW/ooCwEDJX6hRDCgy7kTth50WDkp7L4uFk7WRBhC7zUHB9VVWRS7abKT06hGpiyXWaxxc6gZWD28mPCHveeLZWp+leXJLRxMr7Yg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B+RFidV9hQlP75NhC21ojr/7kVoIvB6eV9iJCk5XMUJfoCI6A9sYDjvp+16CPu+Awm2kRXJPQfEg/IUzYmGMYHimyJUQZB3w6joNX83DaOwaWjpxXRPHkoaCIc4Y6UgrlPqs733DXh8WgZ36Z5nTMRMPjIqfOIPTPfpHQpMB8ho= Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr1059136pyj.1186592993960; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.14? ( [74.95.66.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n44sm1363874pyh.2007.08.08.10.09.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <642CAF92-F4DC-454C-A847-E64F5E7D7B54@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Crist Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:09:48 -0500 To: Janos Dohanics X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is my disk usage? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:09:55 -0000 On Aug 8, 2007, at 11:21 AMAug 8, 2007, Janos Dohanics wrote: > > du is acting strange on my system: > > # du /usr/X11R6 > 4 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > 8 /usr/X11R6/share > 12 /usr/X11R6 > > # du -h /usr/X11R6 > 2.0K /usr/X11R6/share/locale > 4.0K /usr/X11R6/share > 6.0K /usr/X11R6 > > # du -k /usr/X11R6 > 2 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > 4 /usr/X11R6/share > 6 /usr/X11R6 > > This seems to be happening only after I have sudo'd myself. du reports > consistent numbers if I run it as myself or if I su first. > > This is a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE system with snapshots enabled. > I don't get it, what's wrong? Things look normal to me... Eric Crist From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 17:32:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A87516A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031A513C457 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay6.apple.com (relay6.apple.com [17.128.113.36]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F72DE077F; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay6.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C5487100D4; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807124-a7fbdbb0000007f3-24-46b9fe3e9b07 Received: from [17.214.13.96] (cswiger1.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id B073410097; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <30A24FEB-0E6F-4C50-BC1F-2808C216AA11@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:32:45 -0700 To: Janos Dohanics X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is my disk usage? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:32:47 -0000 On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > du is acting strange on my system: > > # du /usr/X11R6 > 4 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > 8 /usr/X11R6/share > 12 /usr/X11R6 > > # du -h /usr/X11R6 > 2.0K /usr/X11R6/share/locale > 4.0K /usr/X11R6/share > 6.0K /usr/X11R6 > > # du -k /usr/X11R6 > 2 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > 4 /usr/X11R6/share > 6 /usr/X11R6 > > This seems to be happening only after I have sudo'd myself. du reports > consistent numbers if I run it as myself or if I su first. > > This is a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE system with snapshots enabled. > > Any ideas? Presumably the accounts which have consistent results have something like: setenv BLOCKSIZE K ...or: export BLOCKSIZE=K ...configured in their shell. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 17:44:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C4216A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F52213C442 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: by smtp.3dresearch.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id B297F4B4B0; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:44:08 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 71.61.128.39 (auth. user janos@imap.3dresearch.com) by vmail.3dresearch.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:44:08 -0500 X-IlohaMail-Blah: janos@imap.3dresearch.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: vmail.3dresearch.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30A24FEB-0E6F-4C50-BC1F-2808C216AA11@mac.com> From: "Janos Dohanics" Bounce-To: "Janos Dohanics" Errors-To: "Janos Dohanics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: What is my disk usage? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:44:09 -0000 On 8/8/2007, "Chuck Swiger" wrote: >On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: >> du is acting strange on my system: >> >> # du /usr/X11R6 >> 4 /usr/X11R6/share/locale >> 8 /usr/X11R6/share >> 12 /usr/X11R6 >> >> # du -h /usr/X11R6 >> 2.0K /usr/X11R6/share/locale >> 4.0K /usr/X11R6/share >> 6.0K /usr/X11R6 >> >> # du -k /usr/X11R6 >> 2 /usr/X11R6/share/locale >> 4 /usr/X11R6/share >> 6 /usr/X11R6 >> >> This seems to be happening only after I have sudo'd myself. du reports >> consistent numbers if I run it as myself or if I su first. >> >> This is a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE system with snapshots enabled. >> >> Any ideas? > >Presumably the accounts which have consistent results have something >like: > > setenv BLOCKSIZE K > >...or: > > export BLOCKSIZE=3DK > >...configured in their shell. > >-- >-Chuck Well, this is all I have in .bash_profile: $ cat .bash_profile PS1=3D"[\u@\h \w]\\$ " export EDITOR=3Dvim The issue is that du reports twice as much disk usage as du -h or du -k, and I have no clue why... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:06:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECBC16A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7365513C45A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so221176fka for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WiDPsOlRqMFtdCUXIRQb057Qu6jj520egS9AqNEp+3tLCVn0LDdhMH3f34+0mQrJe67k/greQmoAhu8ke6DaMpcIDoL97zYMVyKsEEr4/ACSRZ83kGjWl9lP5bNjt407FfqSIMfQrCtqcru26tjRV0jGsSPboNcxHt18XifRLkk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Raz4fs0KUiV4DOtIxayc9DrEqGhP248f2F2Ryn/tkEd+yhlZ5910CEJeG/zZmgV2x/YzHopAUFSdAeo9z2SIHrZD/PAYZZTcv9cmno4wiFXSrVVO0AHoZxpc2WPnMaOe9ZcaBI9AwM1ebC+GPYTemd52uR5Bv80SIcVBL194rY0= Received: by 10.82.105.13 with SMTP id d13mr2280048buc.1186596360471; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:06:00 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Janos Dohanics" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <30A24FEB-0E6F-4C50-BC1F-2808C216AA11@mac.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is my disk usage? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:06:18 -0000 On 08/08/2007, Janos Dohanics wrote: > > On 8/8/2007, "Chuck Swiger" wrote: > > >On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > >> du is acting strange on my system: > >> > >> # du /usr/X11R6 > >> 4 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > >> 8 /usr/X11R6/share > >> 12 /usr/X11R6 > >> > >> # du -h /usr/X11R6 > >> 2.0K /usr/X11R6/share/locale > >> 4.0K /usr/X11R6/share > >> 6.0K /usr/X11R6 > >> > >> # du -k /usr/X11R6 > >> 2 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > >> 4 /usr/X11R6/share > >> 6 /usr/X11R6 > >> > >> This seems to be happening only after I have sudo'd myself. du reports > >> consistent numbers if I run it as myself or if I su first. > >> > >> This is a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE system with snapshots enabled. > >> > >> Any ideas? > > > >Presumably the accounts which have consistent results have something > >like: > > > > setenv BLOCKSIZE K > > > >...or: > > > > export BLOCKSIZE=K > > > >...configured in their shell. > > > >-- > >-Chuck > > Well, this is all I have in .bash_profile: > > $ cat .bash_profile > PS1="[\u@\h \w]\\$ " > export EDITOR=vim > > The issue is that du reports twice as much disk usage as du -h or du -k, > and I have no clue why... Chuck is right: the "twice as much" is du reporting in the default 512 byte blocks. You probably have the BLOCKSIZE=K set in either ~/.profile or /etc/profile. If you recently upgraded sudo, you should take note that env_reset is now the default. You can return to the old behaviour by adding a line like: Defaults !env_reset to your sudoers file. It might be more secure to not do this with a Defaults line, though. man 5 sudoers for more information. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:12:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1984416A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC1613C46C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: by smtp.3dresearch.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id C966583195; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 71.61.128.39 (auth. user janos@imap.3dresearch.com) by vmail.3dresearch.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:12:37 -0500 X-IlohaMail-Blah: janos@imap.3dresearch.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: vmail.3dresearch.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18106.1213.683325.483317@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: "Janos Dohanics" Bounce-To: "Janos Dohanics" Errors-To: "Janos Dohanics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: What is my disk usage? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:12:39 -0000 On 8/8/2007, "Don Hinton" wrote: >Janos Dohanics writes: > > > > On 8/8/2007, "Chuck Swiger" wrote: > > > > >On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > > >> du is acting strange on my system: > > >> > > >> # du /usr/X11R6 > > >> 4 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > > >> 8 /usr/X11R6/share > > >> 12 /usr/X11R6 > > >> > > >> # du -h /usr/X11R6 > > >> 2.0K /usr/X11R6/share/locale > > >> 4.0K /usr/X11R6/share > > >> 6.0K /usr/X11R6 > > >> > > >> # du -k /usr/X11R6 > > >> 2 /usr/X11R6/share/locale > > >> 4 /usr/X11R6/share > > >> 6 /usr/X11R6 > > >> > > >> This seems to be happening only after I have sudo'd myself. du reports > > >> consistent numbers if I run it as myself or if I su first. > > >> > > >> This is a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE system with snapshots enabled. > > >> > > >> Any ideas? > > > > > >Presumably the accounts which have consistent results have something > > >like: > > > > > > setenv BLOCKSIZE K > > > > > >...or: > > > > > > export BLOCKSIZE=3DK > > > > > >...configured in their shell. > > > > > >-- > > >-Chuck > > > > Well, this is all I have in .bash_profile: > > > > $ cat .bash_profile > > PS1=3D"[\u@\h \w]\\$ " > > export EDITOR=3Dvim > > > > The issue is that du reports twice as much disk usage as du -h or du -k, > > and I have no clue why... > >$ echo $BLOCKSIZE >K >$ mkdir test >$ du test >2 test >$ du -k test >2 test >$ du -h test >2,0K test >$ unset BLOCKSIZE >$ du test >4 test > > BLOCKSIZE If the environment variable BLOCKSIZE is set, and the -k > option is not specified, the block counts will be displayed = in > units of that size block. If BLOCKSIZE is not set, and the = -k > option is not specified, the block counts will be displayed = in > 512-byte blocks. > >hth... >don Thank you... sorry for the noise. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:34:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC8916A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F4813C45D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so274747uge for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:34:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=h5e7e/c2erlPsHW4C03Zxv7rDEl7/Mt7IkJ3DVP0jjUewRcW1qdR38+JQRaV8HFEAW0QG5LfgulPXagyKdoB2KHVAFZDIdcWQmeZioBy4TW4OkMMtGOr56x6qtdT3p04/Mz424uFE5aAyYMZiHZzp6UZxBSew8ACdoU/QrTN9N0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=l3L3OYXiOpHBqvh8LHjZjva5CvwdptnBB7Sa9fepPmXEYMqhlsLKlNtoXl1vt3rhjlEra7BNKstoJfM7IkNeoRS/OFmgobdpGR/v1tHmCTveJgkaNG/Q8itmupH4QENdD6muQYz55knomz7EBB8VnMns3DQc1hdoM8F1+gC1S08= Received: by 10.78.107.8 with SMTP id f8mr623099huc.1186598058925; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm354034huc.2007.08.08.11.34.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE7411420 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:33:54 +0400 (GST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:33:38 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Subject: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:34:21 -0000 Hi, I had asked this question a few days earlier in another thread. Didn't get any replies, so asking it again in a post of its own. My FreeBSD 6.2 system is currently on 6.2-RELEASE-p4. I use freebsd-update to keep my system up-to-date and I've noticed that offlate there doesn't seem to be any updates to my system. Here's the update of a ''freebsd-update fetch'' on my system for instance: $ freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7. $ uname -a FreeBSD asterix 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr 26 17:40:53 UTC 2007 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Is that normal? I mean, there obviously seems to be a 6.2-RELEASE-p7 but then why isn't my system getting updated to that? Is it coz I am not using the parts that are affected by the patches to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? Or have I misconfigured something? TIA, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:44:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC44E16A469 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B1413C478 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay6.apple.com (relay6.apple.com [17.128.113.36]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B8BE3B632; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay6.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 5EC4A100D0; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807124-a6fbbbb0000007f3-69-46ba0f00b21d Received: from [17.214.13.96] (cswiger1.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 52EF2100B8; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:44:15 -0700 To: Rakhesh Sasidharan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:44:16 -0000 On Aug 8, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7. > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD asterix 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr > 26 17:40:53 > UTC 2007 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ > GENERIC i386 > > Is that normal? I mean, there obviously seems to be a 6.2-RELEASE- > p7 but then why isn't my system getting updated to that? Is it coz > I am not using the parts that are affected by the patches to 6.2- > RELEASE-p7? Or have I misconfigured something? Not all security patches involve updating the kernel. The recent ones have involved changes to BIND and the symlink attack starting up jails, and thus they do not result in the version printed by your kernel in dmesg or via uname changing. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:53:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB0116A421 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E5B13C45D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l78Ir3Qj077055; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:53:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99EABB82A; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:53:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:53:03 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Rakhesh Sasidharan Message-ID: <20070808185303.GA51543@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Rakhesh Sasidharan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:53:06 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 10:33:38PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > $ freebsd-update fetch > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. > Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Inspecting system... done. > Preparing to download files... done. >=20 > No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7. >=20 > $ uname -a > FreeBSD asterix 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr 26=20 > 17:40:53 > UTC 2007 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERI= C=20 > i386 >=20 > Is that normal? Yes. The updates coming after 4 did not effect the kernel (which holds the release number string), just some userland programs. So the userland programs have been updated, but that hasn't changed the version string in the kernel. If you rebuild the kernel, install it and reboot you'll see -p7. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGuhEPEnfvsMMhpyURAuLeAKCpzAr2J+MkYJccWugGjFjObUClggCbBAui UXn32aVLNgWWTDlEYLHhuDQ= =owCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 19:11:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEBC16A41A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC8613C45D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so110187ika for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=Prw+1pAhK6NxWwt0qCENJ7tlIgAqcJVf5P5NMS++rH2YzU3WIvQffpgtXsP2Nt2K2oe6K4WXpLCUyHag+/GtA7efEMAXob6xsH7WXfamg1MSq2XC9CRw8NiUJYii75HgTeYU/HDxipzd/IJgkh807vxuJ8mmvNVqflxqEh9+cz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=Te7gUAniSHHZj2OJW/nwHVqCtQX1mKnkZhjHX5MIoXJR1hK0ZOyu4Bpo5cLazLh8nLvsw2xIZhP29TMQrqWOKbnPXEuhROOaPcEl17TfJASefXWM45g9AQFUna9FJpHZ62Rt4EyM3iVxu8OeFrmsJLCXEQZ8O6fZyVw0a69rObY= Received: by 10.78.140.17 with SMTP id n17mr631674hud.1186600294912; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o37sm257194hub.2007.08.08.12.11.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A7411420; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:11:08 +0400 (GST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:10:52 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> Message-ID: <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:11:37 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Not all security patches involve updating the kernel. The recent ones have > involved changes to BIND and the symlink attack starting up jails, and thus > they do not result in the version printed by your kernel in dmesg or via > uname changing. I see. Thanks. Didn't realize that only when the kernel gets updated does the suffix change to -p7. I was under the impression that all updates change the kernel string to -p7 just to show that there's been some updates. Thanks again. Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 19:25:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8716A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from exhub015-1.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-1.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB6413C457 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@Riderway.com) Received: from philip.office.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.730.1; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:25:02 -0400 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Rideray Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rakhesh Sasidharan References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:25:05 -0000 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> Not all security patches involve updating the kernel. The recent ones have >> involved changes to BIND and the symlink attack starting up jails, and thus >> they do not result in the version printed by your kernel in dmesg or via >> uname changing. > > I see. Thanks. Didn't realize that only when the kernel gets updated does > the suffix change to -p7. I was under the impression that all updates > change the kernel string to -p7 just to show that there's been some > updates. That actually sounds like a bad thing IMHO. Because not -p4 is not -p4 -p4 = -p7 but for others it might =-p5 depending on the last time they updated. It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the kernel even if thats the only part thats updated. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 19:59:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D054E16A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C7C13C46A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) id l77JrX5n046243; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:53:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:53:32 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Modulok Message-ID: <20070807195332.GK77822@dan.emsphone.com> References: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64c038660708071210w1950ccccwda1bb8464587d1de@mail.gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bizzare routing table entry. 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I tried to set BIOS value "Plug and Play O/S" to yes or no. None of > the values help me. I use 3COM nics, I checked all nics operate under > separate IRQ-s. When I receive this massage connection breaks for a few > seconds. What to do? Hi Narek, No real consolation at this point, however I experience the same problem with a variety of other NICs in a couple of systems. I don't have a solution either I'm afraid as I've tried everything from enabling/disabling PnP, disabling watchdog and ACPI etc. But I'll mark the thread and follow with interest; I'm also keen to assist in testing in any way. -- Regards, Paul Fraser // Independent Technical Consultant // Ph: +61 405 341 905 // furyc0de.net This correspondence and any related attachments are confidential. Distribution, reproduction, or release (public domain or otherwise) without the author's prior written consent is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. 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PGP KeyID: 0x64E635B1 Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu:11371 Key fingerprint: CDA3 0797 68B9 0EC1 D4D3 A7B9 D7D7 4924 64E6 35B1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 22:57:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F08416A419 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from mail-in05.adhost.com (mail-in05.adhost.com [216.211.128.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE51913C459 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from ad-exh01.adhost.lan (unknown [216.211.143.69]) by mail-in05.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98194164873; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316025048F0@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> In-Reply-To: <46BA47E3.9070306@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Wathdog Timeout HELP Thread-Index: AcfaDiTle/tjWzGFQWqlLlCUNxPvQwAAKTxw References: <003901c7d9a0$9d54bec0$180ca8c0@arm.synisys.com> <46BA47E3.9070306@gmail.com> From: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" To: "Paul Fraser" , "Narek Gharibyan" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Wathdog Timeout HELP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:57:30 -0000 Hello: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Paul Fraser > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:47 PM > To: Narek Gharibyan > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Wathdog Timeout HELP >=20 > Narek Gharibyan wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I recevice about 3-5 times per day xl0 : watchdog timeout, xl1 > watchdog > > timeout. I tried to set BIOS value "Plug and Play O/S" to yes or no. > None of > > the values help me. I use 3COM nics, I checked all nics operate under > > separate IRQ-s. When I receive this massage connection breaks for a > few > > seconds. What to do? >=20 > Hi Narek, >=20 > No real consolation at this point, however I experience the same > problem > with a variety of other NICs in a couple of systems. I don't have a > solution either I'm afraid as I've tried everything from > enabling/disabling PnP, disabling watchdog and ACPI etc. >=20 > But I'll mark the thread and follow with interest; I'm also keen to > assist in testing in any way. >=20 > -- > Regards, >=20 > Paul Fraser // Independent Technical Consultant // Ph: +61 405 341 905 > // furyc0de.net >=20 We had (have) the same problem on bge interfaces on multiple servers. The one thing I've found that "fixes" it is to enable Polling on the interface. This may require you to add: options DEVICE_POLLING to the kernel. Then, you can just add "polling" to your rc.conf setting for the card. If it's already in your kernel, you can just issue "ifconfig polling" and that will do it. By the way, your mileage may vary in a *big* way. :-) Regards, Mike mksmith@adhost.com (work) mksmith@mac.com (!work) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 23:16:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD89A16A41B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netslists@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDEA13C442 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netslists@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so212928wxd for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FiCrpobODbc+wTz2ooiuNYYc5/XvAxiH+r1SKDQxhYD7lxNxsgDpi85+bmjfA4b6LD39B78n5vfjUL/X+s9H2kfuI8UQKQkofjT/cUxh+48FST+sq/ogZvI1lOHIlXAmmUKvtlW09CG81hEkyPmDTs/s7Ywb285jW/I40GDOpq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EX/kiZCrvw1eUtsUT2gfXdbj8fn0Fd08rnTfdj0JHsE9WK/zacjNTyAtBxvLUEHpHWDkXTC7aElk97U/ua7ArKGB2FnSbsVeQCCsgRwaiqfmYjQcqtjEVaAgQT/aNwewDFnXLPGj0pjf1XvGKv+S1JMdTMDi2cP2g+6+SIi3338= Received: by 10.70.15.15 with SMTP id 15mr2251237wxo.1186614960805; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.12.8? ( [72.189.172.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o29sm1078854elf.2007.08.08.16.15.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BA4EA3.7070308@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:15:47 -0400 From: Sten Daniel Soersdal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo References: <200708081330.32485.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> In-Reply-To: <200708081330.32485.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE ultraDMA problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:16:01 -0000 Mario Lobo wrote: > Hello to all; > > I had a MSI mobo 645 Ultra with 1.5G ram, pentium 4 1.7 Ghz, 3 IDE HD, 1 > SAMSUNG 80 G, 1 SAMSUNG 120 G, maxtor 120 G and a LG DVD writer. FreeBSD 6.2 > recognized all HDs as ultraDMA 100. Fine. > > Then a bought a ASUS p5vd2-x, 1G ram, Gforce 7200 video(pci-e), pentium D 940 > Dual core and kept the same drives. After tuning and recompiling the kernel > a couple times, I got almost everything working great ! SMP, acpi, network, > you name it, EXCEPT ultraDMA. > > if I leave: > > hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 > hw.ata.ata_dma: 1 > > FreeBSD reports them (all) at ultraDMA 33. The system boots ok but after 7 or > 10 minutes (even if doing nothing), I start geting messages from > g_vfs_xxxx(); WRITE DMAERROR that can come from any of the drives until the > system becomes unstable and ends up rebooting itself. > > if I leave: > > hw.ata.atapi_dma: 0 > hw.ata.ata_dma: 0 > > The HDs get down to PIO 4 and the system works fine but at an incredible > performance cost. > > Finacial issues force me to make this work instead of buying more stuff. > > Thanks for any suggestions, There are usually one of two reasons for this; 1) Cable not being correct for slots (which UDMA33 suggests) 2) Controller not supported by driver (the controller does/requires something special) I have had perfectly working cables not work just because the motherboard manufacturer decided they wanted to reorder some of the pins on the motherboard (and i wasn't using cables that came with the motherboard). Perhaps you could post 'pciconf -lv' together with 'atacontrol list' and 'atacontrol info ' where is the names of the devices connected. E.g. acd0 ad0 ad1 etc.. dmesg should probably help? -- Sten Daniel Soersdal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 23:17:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1439E16A468 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netslists@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31D913C491 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netslists@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so157834nzf for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:17:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oIZy5iUgZ2htdpyWKYsnSr+SKyvPUyMSW+6yJgWbU0XwvBBTeWnwkW8SpQXaqMi7xs3I/a8kEQaPxJk3aZqCKhK7V6BEn5RO9qa2He3/VomUg/guMyL0euTVxz3N09B6MkWJg//fC+v6Ipb6WXqrVUN1uF12GL2seao2PfMJN/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D723ZYVnk5cC/H3UZuf8HKS2GnM4u6+VSQcqJQTBJBRMYf8Npe09bV4A4pRgShEqWONSU4YOG4AQFSCCgkIYuHToSU008Sws0Q17pW0ucZgFy79jWnO1i+O9Vqv1GkuFmypFNXR33SJklO1VLfoszLGdBvIkUqwmJrlyT35MfHs= Received: by 10.70.115.17 with SMTP id n17mr2255865wxc.1186615023669; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.12.8? ( [72.189.172.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z26sm1275309ele.2007.08.08.16.17.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BA4EE2.2030907@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:16:50 -0400 From: Sten Daniel Soersdal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo References: <200708081330.32485.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> In-Reply-To: <200708081330.32485.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE ultraDMA problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:17:05 -0000 Mario Lobo wrote: > Hello to all; > > I had a MSI mobo 645 Ultra with 1.5G ram, pentium 4 1.7 Ghz, 3 IDE HD, 1 > SAMSUNG 80 G, 1 SAMSUNG 120 G, maxtor 120 G and a LG DVD writer. FreeBSD 6.2 > recognized all HDs as ultraDMA 100. Fine. > > Then a bought a ASUS p5vd2-x, 1G ram, Gforce 7200 video(pci-e), pentium D 940 > Dual core and kept the same drives. After tuning and recompiling the kernel > a couple times, I got almost everything working great ! SMP, acpi, network, > you name it, EXCEPT ultraDMA. > > if I leave: > > hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 > hw.ata.ata_dma: 1 > > FreeBSD reports them (all) at ultraDMA 33. The system boots ok but after 7 or > 10 minutes (even if doing nothing), I start geting messages from > g_vfs_xxxx(); WRITE DMAERROR that can come from any of the drives until the > system becomes unstable and ends up rebooting itself. > > if I leave: > > hw.ata.atapi_dma: 0 > hw.ata.ata_dma: 0 > > The HDs get down to PIO 4 and the system works fine but at an incredible > performance cost. > > Finacial issues force me to make this work instead of buying more stuff. > > Thanks for any suggestions, Sorry, i that should be atacontrol cap not atacontrol info -- Sten Daniel Soersdal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 23:27:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE3316A418 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@ns.donmailer.co.uk) Received: from ns.donmailer.co.uk (ns.donmailer.co.uk [217.199.190.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD9113C45E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@ns.donmailer.co.uk) Received: from ns.donmailer.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.donmailer.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l78NQhh3014760 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:26:43 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by ns.donmailer.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l78NQgwY014756; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:26:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:26:42 +0100 From: "Digital Dance (CT)" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List: dd1 List-Owner: List-URL: Message-ID: <20070809002642.98181544@yahoo.co.uk> X-Mailer: Dada Mail 2.10.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Digital Dance (CT) Mailing List Confirmation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Digital Dance \(CT\)" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:27:05 -0000 This message has been sent to you as the final step to confirm your email *removal* for the following list: Digital Dance (CT) To confirm this unsubscription, please follow the URL below: (Click the URL above, or copy and paste the URL into your browser. 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Narek Gharibyan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wathdog Timeout HELP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:32:23 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:46:59AM +1000, Paul Fraser wrote: > Narek Gharibyan wrote: >> Dear All, >> I recevice about 3-5 times per day xl0 : watchdog timeout, xl1 watchdog >> timeout. I tried to set BIOS value "Plug and Play O/S" to yes or no. Non= e=20 >> of >> the values help me. I use 3COM nics, I checked all nics operate under >> separate IRQ-s. When I receive this massage connection breaks for a few >> seconds. What to do? >=20 > Hi Narek, >=20 > No real consolation at this point, however I experience the same problem= =20 > with a variety of other NICs in a couple of systems. I don't have a=20 > solution either I'm afraid as I've tried everything from enabling/disabli= ng=20 > PnP, disabling watchdog and ACPI etc. Have you tried enabling polling(4)? It does require a kernel compiled with polling support enabled. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGulKEEnfvsMMhpyURAlmWAJ4xhoVcYOnBB+eAVDoZ6Ffy9/TcrwCfWOmB qfgzXaMLnPzzzGQWf9C1r84= =HdAh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 23:46:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B88716A417 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DF213C468 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so87431nfb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:46:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MRZXk5UIYEPc0JlTYpNdBotNFODtS/As+SUXZpvl/xP4EHCYg3DkiM2TNCq2srMvfYQiNC+SMyoxqSnccqHRJ7pkz7x823nJqePeqSZSogOIzPYYYy73wZbLEb2pB8Ok9PR3fGa1HjTqcei9SKs+mcyQsPrmjoUiDnHgskwE9cI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RoVXlZsuD6fWut+AePhTotPYhpfNwrTdXBOBBD6HQVjc7ZUVz/T5DMXHPizUlWUXS3QEP1OY4e26jYWnbw9cSV89X1Z77m5oShSHQe6OiVV8swAzgPguEvhZ4MnSabDd6VL1wdxvKekPk66BIswo0uno+ggx/z88hDr0SPw+gtA= Received: by 10.78.201.10 with SMTP id y10mr272067huf.1186616781366; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.12 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <539c60b90708081646g3ad88b57gbdc80deab8870bce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:46:21 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com In-Reply-To: <200708051633.QAA17703@sopwith.solgatos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708051633.QAA17703@sopwith.solgatos.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: df34af1cb2d6c169 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 6.2 not compatible with new sata drives ?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:46:23 -0000 On 8/5/07, Dieter wrote: > >> I got 2 new 160GB drives last month, and my system has been > >> unstable ever since. I have swapped cables, purchased a > >> brand-new sata150 controller (as opposed to the year old > >> sataII), and the results are always the same. > > > > What make & model controllers? What make & model drives? > > Some combinations of controller and drive do not play well > > together. > > I just found your other posting "ad8: FAILURE - device detached". > > I assume that the new failing disks are > > >>> ad4: 157066MB at ata2-master SATA150 > >>> ad8: 157066MB at ata4-master SATA150 > > and that they are Hitachi? > > I still don't know what controller you are using, but I read > that nforce4 plus Maxtor or Hitachi disks gives data corruption: > > http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t8171.html > > I have been using nforce4-ultra with Seagate disks with no > data corruption problems. > > It is not immediately obvious how data corruption would cause > your device detached problem, but there could be more than > one bug. > > If your controller works well with your Samsung drives, you > could return the Hitachis and get more Samsungs. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Actually, the problem started when I added the Samsungs. Here's the facts: I'm having the most mysterious drive issue I've ever seen. 1. I have a promise sata300 controller with 4 drives. I replaced 2 with new drives. 2. It appearred to work for a week or so. To my knowledge, I did no maintanence or installs that week. 3. Over the next couple weeks, things devolved until all 4 disks "device failed detatched" in dmesg as soon as you hit them, you also get plenty of "set features settransfermode taskqueue timeout"'s in dmesg. 4. I was sure this was a hardware problem. Bought new cables, new drives, new controller board (that apparently has a driver but is flaky (si chipset?)). Very carefully swapped pieces to isolate the problem. Every possible configuration failed, with new old disks, cables, etc. 5. I decided that since I had pretty much cycled all the hardware, it must be software, so I put in the 7.0 iso I was going to try on my laptop. Dropped into fixit, looked at the drives, no problems! 6. Decided to try my origonal 6.2amd64 iso again, on a whim. Perhaps not suprisingly, the disks looked fine on it too. 7. Did an 'upgrade' from the 6.2 iso, which reported sucess, which did not fix the issue, so I suspect it's not a kernel or driver issue. It appears to me the 'upgrade' process replaces everything but /etc, no? 8. I'm a total novice, so I've only messed with inetd, rc.conf, loader.conf, and crontab (so far as I know). What in there that could fubar the disks? 9. When I say the disks are 'good' from fixit on the iso, what I mean is this: you can fsck_ffs each disk with zero errors. zero errors appear in dmesg. Then (since the disks were mirrored, then the mirror was broken while diagnosing, and some files were added), you can diff -r the drives (which takes about 4 hours, they are 95% full 160GB's), and everything goes as expected, again, no errors, no debug info in dmesg, etc. So, the obvious: what is different about my running system which I have installed, vs. the 'fixit' shell in my same iso that I installed from that could cause my sata hardware to appear bad on the running system, but not on the iso? UPDATE: At the moment, I think things are running ok (past 24 hrs) with smartd disabled, so maybe the samsungs have some smart issue? My newest issue is that the df command reports identically for the two hitatchi drives, even though I've added several tens of megabytes to one, but not the other. Maybe it's time to donate this system to my local charity for parts ;) Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 04:37:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E556716A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:37:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robertjx@ix.netcom.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6EE13C459 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:37:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robertjx@ix.netcom.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=EVyW+3e96q8PUzw8zSPFXxmVA3Vftq8dTjxIGHUli3DWirTFrtAzXekW+36FW9f1; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from rrcs-71-42-141-247.sw.biz.rr.com ([71.42.141.247] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IIzXa-0005lW-SQ for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:22:32 -0400 Message-ID: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:22:26 -0500 From: Latitude User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 16626c73f8b9822574cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e5196068876b4985f1fbac97b334cdb26af1c7806350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.42.141.247 Cc: Subject: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:37:21 -0000 I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. -- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 04:49:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079AF16A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53C113C49D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so657005pye for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:49:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TKTtoEHrGwdmcQyx9gX796dz/Llsz9Fcy1HTI2av1e0gDtacn/TEyKRvhDtDYLZjD0GTmFUTfdADMPUwIJjAux5yxrpAj00owMo6rZxVMDdFR2OqJNWSghrmGjhypQELz8JBNzhVv6Fcdu3xP9tLWvKQ6KFK5ZVI6/acY4Z+xZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=trUcAlJxzMU1YNQol4sh6JU7l9yyN6HtpRXmy2oeUyyO/ZQ0y74Y9L95+i+6AxZ/PFr2ifhn87raYY02STC7mBsobYBANNtD0zXisUCUowUSasz4waGvMjhunNBNuz/Dp7vepneZJkOszunf5yZZsnBzRE/wnaFixOii2OQuBb4= Received: by 10.64.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr3102647qbe.1186634987250; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708082149g680e3304g965c15300b764236@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:49:46 -0500 From: Novembre To: "Rakhesh Sasidharan" In-Reply-To: <20070808081245.D37694@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> <3b47caa90708071953t515be42etef87a9c72c00dd54@mail.gmail.com> <3b47caa90708072031x5aca7c5ncd7f6780b70a7f4b@mail.gmail.com> <20070808081245.D37694@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:49:49 -0000 On 8/7/07, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > > > Starting ntfsmount. > > /etc/rc: DEBUG: run_rc_command: _doit: > /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 > > /mnt/w > > indows > > fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory > > ---------- > > > > I don't exactly know what it means by "fuse: failed to exec mount > program: > > No such file or directory" since /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g exists, > /dev/ad0s1 > > is my Windows 2000 partition, and I have created /mnt/windows myself. > > Why is the mount point /mnt/windows broken over two lines? If that's the > actual output from fuse (and not broken coz of some wrapping while > emailing) then that could be the problem. > > Regards, > Rakhesh > The line is broken, since it had reached the end of line. It just wrapped the rest of the line into the next line. I don't think it's the actual output from fusefs. Here's an interesting thing though: # cat /var/log/messages ... Aug 8 23:37:10 homedesktop root: /etc/rc: INFO: checkyesno: ntfsmount_enable is set to YES. Aug 8 23:37:10 homedesktop root: /etc/rc: INFO: run_rc_command: _doit: /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows -o locale=en_US.UTF-8 Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Version 1.710 Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Mounted /dev/ad0s1 (Read-Write, label "", NTFS 3.0) Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Cmdline options: locale=en_US.UTF-8 Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Mount options: noatime,silent,allow_other,fsname=/dev/ad0s1 ... So it seems the mount process was successful?! Indeed, /dev/fuse0 was created as well... Then why do I see the following message when the system boots? ----- fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory ----- I'm not sure if this is something to be worried about or not, but there are two spaces between "ntfs-3f" and "/dev/ad0s1" when the command runs. I have set up the startup script as mentioned before, so I'm not sure what's happening here as well... Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:02:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE11C16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from mx-outbound01.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [205.210.42.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89DC13C478 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com [69.12.173.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx-outbound01.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6023E7F82 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (slider.shadypond.com [192.168.1.11]) by slider.shadypond.com (postoffice) with ESMTP id 9E2E4B65D7 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:02:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Pollywog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:01:59 +0000 References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:02:06 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 04:22:26 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. I hope I do not get flamed for saying this... I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I think that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD would be a better introduction for you. I liked PC-BSD and found it as easy to install as Xandros or Linspire or Freespire Linuxes. I mention those because those Linuxes are easy to install. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:04:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AB716A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:04:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C725413C45A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so245924wxd for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:04:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PJSxbBhOwA7CsZXZzMoZRY3hVz2s2HwgtnBL/99tqgXcygDPztn+xYyj4eTApIyhpTPLN0X2YLf46OldZveR8C9Sk1HjUNfdGmi/k/Eu9MTE19Uop0z0WVrqlup2nlbHLAARZGCG/bIPdqyGEhYgWkjtSTULLbWFNzWYVRMwHQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rwGInBLPtb0XoW/nzAMtMtz07LdgBAfe0ePdQOtLZUbgHrIAx67iBR8H8q7Mlt7xcuLYOwi2RM8W/lcF2ss0nxF7GYkvGwuVt+LSFyxW9Fy/6bsC0W6P5YTcZ5lZMndv27iGrSS2oYKRrBxXBb/PiSInyt60EqCPcR4awI7L7cQ= Received: by 10.70.130.8 with SMTP id c8mr1991710wxd.1186635854773; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [201.235.69.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h12sm1401670wxd.2007.08.08.22.04.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BAA04D.3050700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:04:13 -0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?U2TDpHZ0YWtlcg==?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Latitude References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:04:16 -0000 There is a project based on FreeBSD that you can give a try. Its real easy to install, got a lot of applications ported with an easy to use interface. You can install it and have Internet Explorer and a lot of windows applications working in less than a couple of minutes, and there is a virtual machine version to try it before install. The website is http://www.pcbsd.org and starts saying : "PC-BSD has been designed with the 'casual' computer user in mind. Installing the system is simply a matter of a few clicks and a few minutes for the installation process to finish. Hardware such as video, sound, network and other devices will be auto-detected and available at the first system startup. Home users will immediately feel comfortable with PC-BSD's desktop interface, with KDE 3.5 running under the hood. Software installation has also been designed to be as painless as possible, simply double-click and software will be installed. " I hope it helps you :-) Sdäv Latitude escribiĂł: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:07:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A1916A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl [213.51.103.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4066E13C4B7 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F063988E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 501) id F0B7539885; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:07:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ra.egypt.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E245639877 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:07:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BAA129.6090800@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:07:53 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> In-Reply-To: <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: url=http://www.boosten.org/content/view/49/47/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:07:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pollywog wrote: > > I hope I do not get flamed for saying this... FreeBSDers don't flame :-) > > I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I think > that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD > would be a better introduction for you. Yes, I think you're right. Most FreeBSD users are used to do things the 'command line way'. FreeBSD has a steep learning curve (actually a steep configuration curve), but once you get things running (and that isn't that hard) it's rock steady. So the advantages aren't necessary won when installing, but more when using FreeBSD for a while. To the OP: if you're not willing to learn, Windows is probably best for you. My 2ct. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGuqEorvsez6l/SvARAm1OAJ0XzlkSWoAf3A27NOVcEYb3BPYlVQCgwP96 M6fMPGwZ/3iBNAj3qCiMIIg= =/ocX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:13:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8951016A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2A013C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so280706rvb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:13:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BHbimXsWFuw4zl9lAx3fHu4VRdL1qrWXp2IKpfLtyRhY21Mk0CQ8dSd5El8flUFmuc7OKg+s3AI7LohVWAOTLRIDKCLzlCnjXBHnINby1gXyNSAikU31ThMIraiUGZ81rhMWmqArQqMvTtF6m/66TqIysT0lJHXUmvoI5BylJPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JYI9dOMMwk+kp+W7UxT3l52E+/ONBobEJhqzwKLKUoIX4g4ovmzeU4xf/WkrSLqK/1mbv2DA/8iJR/8+Unw8urw/7C8KMFO0KFEPH7+ZR9X0AVcDBHOcTN8GqiPkbN9qJQXf1t4iuiVo2LTuuI7H5aRjfpDhxqGDh/5BXMMAR5s= Received: by 10.143.38.6 with SMTP id q6mr56364wfj.1186636420813; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.10.17 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26ddd1750708082213k3f94e59ax8fd37228e4700f08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:13:40 -0400 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: Latitude In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:13:41 -0000 On 8/9/07, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. Why do you want to switch from Windows to FreeBSD? Much of open-source software is about discovery. Many people here learned how to use FreeBSD by simply spending many hours installing, breaking, fixing, and reinstalling (when fixing fails :) their systems until they became comfortable with the environment. It can be a very enjoyable process, much more so than having a manual explain how everything works. Even so, the FreeBSD handbook is, in my opinion, an excellent source of information even for those who have little prior experience with a unix-like OS. You should try reading it from the beginning to gain some background information about FreeBSD and operating systems in general. If something is unfamiliar to you, google it and see what you come up with. Remember that open-source is based mostly around volunteers who dedicate their time to create something and then give it to you for free. It is expected that you put in some of your own effort in learning how things work and why. Going back to the original question, you should have a reason for switching to FreeBSD. Don't do it just for the sake of switching. If you want to learn something new, that's a good reason in itself, but then you shouldn't be experiencing fear, as you put it. If you are not sure, why not download VMWare Server and play around with FreeBSD in a virtual machine? You still have your windows environment with a web browser and anything else you need while you learn more about this new to you OS. As others suggested, there are versions of FreeBSD that were made from ground up to be used on the desktop. Play around with those if you like, however, I can tell you from my personal experience that it is best to learn an OS like FreeBSD from ground up. Start with a simple terminal and simply follow the directions in the handbook for installing a desktop of your choice. It'll be a much more satisfying experience in the end, even if you run into a few problems while getting there. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:36:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878D516A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1196B13C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so379846mue for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:35:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=F7H8Q6XfEm+x9X09CJSwp9O4i2sUnMMvJHvPxyafZWKmlXlHC5Ym6nPGwI3M2w26FRuPGAkUVFRbSmR0zezhvt/4U4Qrw+JQcn7xbNtyL6pvkCzASOo31wbCHkn2CQGEqzrZbfse/e1emugRIkMmIixHZ3C3USBxl5qdPuErvPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=q7RfHL4Z9d46TTIoqbDviiPrNA/Blo2G8awPKxXe9jSDDGsD5hlR+3httBib+PWJxTkimwqwFP2GDbt076TK/noqAsHvzVQCrhZPL91+md5fjeEuIZhUTmEFFGe8EuOA4wu2XtWtV752wYvxFwb9AdZOPflw+9Pcv3RyDbEexvw= Received: by 10.78.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr745714hud.1186637758415; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 37sm566306hub.2007.08.08.22.35.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927045080A; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:35:20 +0400 (GST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:35:20 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: "Philip M. Gollucci" In-Reply-To: <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> Message-ID: <20070809092552.K93573@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:36:00 -0000 Philip M. Gollucci wrote: >> I see. Thanks. Didn't realize that only when the kernel gets updated does >> the suffix change to -p7. I was under the impression that all updates >> change the kernel string to -p7 just to show that there's been some >> updates. > That actually sounds like a bad thing IMHO. Because not -p4 is not -p4 > -p4 = -p7 but for others it might =-p5 depending on the last time they > updated. > > It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the > kernel even if thats the only part thats updated. I second that. Was confusing to me atleast, and I kept wondering all this file if something was wrong with my setup. Would be nice if the kernel was given a version bump to -p7 or whatever. Maybe its not possible for other practical reasons, in which perhaps the man page could mention this fact? By the way, is there some way I can verify that my system has been patched for the newer updates? (Just so that I get the nagging feeling off my head that something's not alright). Some way I can check the named executable for instance to see its the latest ...? Thanks, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 06:01:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1DE16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl [213.51.103.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CB113C4B0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F37E3988E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:01:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 501) id D38C939885; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:01:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ra.egypt.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB2139877 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BAAD93.4010005@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:00:51 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> <20070809092552.K93573@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070809092552.K93573@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: url=http://www.boosten.org/content/view/49/47/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:01:29 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > >> >> It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the >> kernel even if thats the only part thats updated. > What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update still wants to update everything. > By the way, is there some way I can verify that my system has been > patched for the newer updates? (Just so that I get the nagging feeling > off my head that something's not alright). Some way I can check the > named executable for instance to see its the latest ...? > That indeed would be nice. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGuq2Srvsez6l/SvARAlqNAJ9PAS43auLnJhIYFMSYAchEjTTxsgCgzdJX 9CEDdwjHG8CG1MINhbF+kWM= =Krd8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 06:14:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09D516A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C74A13C481 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so109075nfb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:14:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=GKYxiI6BXiF7vlFuGHA/DHS/2qhSSCTWFYy/e3gUNju+3/6MFsUF7qiM32bF/dpheZ3UNQTKHToM7VVgWvIW8EAdtWK0lDC5Pyuc6rYxNWcF04NarghiHH9F8yjMlW9C9tTYJWrMNOIVu2agEK2EQb3+g7+jsdc0hQ6ujKp3M08= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=O54VphLoPb/3iqZD2+uBa8ApX1jhxNpUoBjBaJeWKooQPxh8XHmMVjeGKYy++cLQEcrch3e7CbQ7JXs45lcLTiEoZnfF5bVADLTiadZ72+EeujEcZVkU2ad3Mjy925Q/ADu+QniF8uRwlxGWDaqHnE5jXkOPFBo97aXNPazmmDk= Received: by 10.78.171.20 with SMTP id t20mr755177hue.1186640076829; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o38sm411846hub.2007.08.08.23.14.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9905080A; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:13:58 +0400 (GST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:13:58 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <46BAAD93.4010005@boosten.org> Message-ID: <20070809100951.D98213@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> <20070809092552.K93573@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BAAD93.4010005@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:14:55 -0000 > What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update > still wants to update everything. Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or something of what's to be updated and not? Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 06:40:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27DB16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl [213.51.103.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A9613C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085A03988E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 501) id C2F6639885; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ra.egypt.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229EA39877 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BAB6E2.4040206@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:40:34 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> <20070809092552.K93573@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BAAD93.4010005@boosten.org> <20070809100951.D98213@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> In-Reply-To: <20070809100951.D98213@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: url=http://www.boosten.org/content/view/49/47/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:40:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > >> What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update >> still wants to update everything. > > Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or > something of what's to be updated and not? > Yup, probably. Also (I think) there's no synchronisation between freebsd-update and options you set in /etc/make.conf (again, I'm not sure about this, but I do not want to try). For instance: in my make.conf is "NO_BIND=true", because I upgraded to bind 9 long time ago and update it from ISC source. The latest patches however wanted to overwrite my named. Enough wining however: freebsd rocks :-) Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGurbhrvsez6l/SvARAiF0AJ9bh+WV4Gh5P/35uAg1tlr67xXYogCffs+6 vedpJU0m8kexhJXJeSt8NwY= =+1UA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 06:51:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C40E16A504; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ingeborg.Hellemo@cc.uit.no) Received: from mux1.uit.no (mux1.uit.no [129.242.4.252]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C604013C4D0; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ingeborg.Hellemo@cc.uit.no) Received: from flode.cc.uit.no (flode.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.250]) by mux1.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.6/Mux) with ESMTP id l796dK00099882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:39:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from barnetv.cc.uit.no (barnetv.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.226]) by flode.cc.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l796dWgW002040; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:39:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ingeborg@cc.uit.no) Received: from barnetv.cc.uit.no (localhost.cc.uit.no [127.0.0.1]) by barnetv.cc.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l796dKLJ073662; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:39:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ingeborg@barnetv.cc.uit.no) Message-Id: <200708090639.l796dKLJ073662@barnetv.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:39:20 +0200 From: Ingeborg Hellemo X-Virus-Scanned: : ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 129.242.4.252 Cc: Subject: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:51:12 -0000 (This SAN-stuff is one of my weak subjects, so please excuse me if I use the wrong terms. If there is a better list to ask this question, please tell me.) HW: ProLiant DL380 G4 OS: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FC-card: isp0: port 0x5000-0x50ff mem 0xfdff0000-0xfdff0fff irq 97 at device 1.0 on pci10 ~/#kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 9 0xc0400000 7261f4 kernel 2 1 0xc0b27000 93040 ispfw.ko 3 1 0xc0bbb000 59f20 acpi.ko 4 1 0xc6dea000 16000 linux.ko I am trying to access a disk-device on a SATABeast, but no success: ~/#camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful Re-scan of bus 2 was successful Re-scan of bus 3 was successful ~/#camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on ciss0 bus 0: at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) scbus1 on ciss0 bus 32: scbus2 on ciss0 bus 33: scbus3 on isp0 bus 0: < > at scbus3 target -1 lun -1 () scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: < > at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) If we try to connect the fibre to our HP EVA SAN the disk shows up after a 'rescan all' which makes me believe that I have not done any major screw-ups in configuring the card. I can see the device and LUN-number if I enter the cards BIOS, but not from FreeBSD. We have tried changing disk-size and LUN-number on the Beast. Any ideas? -- Ingeborg Řstrem Hellemo -- ingeborg@cc.uit.no (Univ. of Tromsř, Norway) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 06:51:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B9416A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:51:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F6713C48E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from 234.38-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.38.234]) by mailrelay001.isp.belgacom.be with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2007 08:51:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:50:05 +0200 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809065005.GA15380@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:51:40 -0000 Hello, Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported on FreeBSD6.2? If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to work. Many thanks, Alain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 06:59:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD3116A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E6813C4D3 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from 234.38-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.38.234]) by mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2007 08:59:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:57:36 +0200 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Partitioning question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:59:06 -0000 Hello, I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home directories). On the third I would like to install FreeBSD-current to play around a bit and get more familiar with the OS. Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? So finally I would like to have Multiboot (FreeBSD 6.2 and Current) which both use the same userspace (second partition) Please let me know if this is not clear. Thanks, Alain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 07:02:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C532B16A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl [213.51.103.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D86413C4DE for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C093988E; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:02:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 501) id 87EDC39885; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:02:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ra.egypt.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, SUBJECT_FUZZY_TION autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EE839877; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:02:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BABC0A.1020404@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:02:34 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alain G. Fabry" References: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: url=http://www.boosten.org/content/view/49/47/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:02:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files > (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? > As long as the UIDs are the same it should work. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGurwJrvsez6l/SvARAiUgAJ9OUJZiAFVPMv+A+6KEjVvyRdPeqwCg4clG Cmv5TUZiRtZUKr7upO3N+CE= =ZA4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 07:39:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1DD16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CE513C480 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l797dcog066791 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:39:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l797dcVd066788 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:39:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:39:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809093909.F66787@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: controller/driver or disk problem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:39:45 -0000 is that this wrong or controler has problems? ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=434853328 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=434853328 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=220033572864, length=204800)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=220033572864, length=204800)]error = 5 ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=482804832 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=482804832 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=244584873984, length=8192)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=244584873984, length=8192)]error = 5 ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=433091792 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=433091792 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=219131797504, length=188416)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=219131797504, length=188416)]error = 5 de2: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 128|512) ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=451949776 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=451949776 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228787085312, length=466944)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228787085312, length=466944)]error = 5 ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=451990976 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=451990976 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228807786496, length=524288)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228807786496, length=524288)]error = 5 de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 128|512) ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=59163904 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 08:38:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E457F16A41B; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.8.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B8A13C46B; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79883Zl008665; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:08:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from localhost (kheuer2@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id l79882C9008662; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:08:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) X-Authentication-Warning: gwdu60.gwdg.de: kheuer2 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:08:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Konrad Heuer To: Ingeborg Hellemo In-Reply-To: <200708090639.l796dKLJ073662@barnetv.cc.uit.no> Message-ID: <20070809100509.X82810@gwdu60.gwdg.de> References: <200708090639.l796dKLJ073662@barnetv.cc.uit.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:38:28 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Ingeborg Hellemo wrote: > (This SAN-stuff is one of my weak subjects, so please excuse me if I use the > wrong terms. If there is a better list to ask this question, please tell me.) > > > HW: ProLiant DL380 G4 > OS: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 > FC-card: > isp0: port 0x5000-0x50ff mem > 0xfdff0000-0xfdff0fff irq 97 at device 1.0 on pci10 > > ~/#kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 9 0xc0400000 7261f4 kernel > 2 1 0xc0b27000 93040 ispfw.ko > 3 1 0xc0bbb000 59f20 acpi.ko > 4 1 0xc6dea000 16000 linux.ko > > > > I am trying to access a disk-device on a SATABeast, but no success: > > ~/#camcontrol rescan all > Re-scan of bus 0 was successful > Re-scan of bus 1 was successful > Re-scan of bus 2 was successful > Re-scan of bus 3 was successful > > ~/#camcontrol devlist -v > scbus0 on ciss0 bus 0: > at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) > scbus1 on ciss0 bus 32: > scbus2 on ciss0 bus 33: > scbus3 on isp0 bus 0: > < > at scbus3 target -1 lun -1 () > scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: > < > at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) > > > If we try to connect the fibre to our HP EVA SAN the disk shows up after a > 'rescan all' which makes me believe that I have not done any major screw-ups > in configuring the card. > > I can see the device and LUN-number if I enter the cards BIOS, but not from > FreeBSD. We have tried changing disk-size and LUN-number on the Beast. > > > Any ideas? In such a case I'd try to boot the system using Knoppix or any other Linux system. Maybe this will give you some additional diagnostics which helps to make progress with FreeBSD. On the other hand, if Linux doesn't see the disk too, you'd have to look closer to your hardware. Best regards Konrad Heuer GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, kheuer2@gwdg.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 08:40:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4290D16A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from viefep27-int.chello.at (viefep27-int.chello.at [62.179.121.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AA713C467 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [89.98.221.195]) by viefep18-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070809082545.FGTB1375.viefep18-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:25:45 +0200 From: Bram Schoenmakers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:25:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 X-Face: &[!|}QvdlkzFIu, |mW.\-Ci1t2d@CEo+#Q14@XM9*@`S, @l*5r-m!\, , kFc:ZlD62]6/>=?utf-8?q?=5B=0A=09Ovg=3BN=5Bqk=3B=60w6=3D5abys2!H+EUYcEDJ?==?utf-8?q?=25lo=26d67gO=2E!/=0A=09w?=@YD{YH]Ebe{@|(qtKgoum%{-=qXlf.+/`^E<'!m"?5d<&C(:B+p*KjP'-Knv!6U<=?utf-8?q?1W!=7EZ=0A=09P3ee-=7BfAb-i+MsJHM?=@ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Subject: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:40:58 -0000 Dear list, There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump, the SSH tunnel dies: # /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh backup@office.example.com \ dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 20:58:51 2007 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1a (/) to standard output DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 60746 tape blocks. DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] Read from remote host office.example.com: Operation timed out DUMP: Broken pipe DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. Here are some facts about the situation: * The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 * The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE * Both hosts have ipf installed * Some IPF rules from the client: pass out quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto icmp from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto gre from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto esp from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto ah from any to any keep state block out quick on bge0 all pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep state block return-rst in log quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any block in quick on bge0 proto tcp all flags S block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any block in log quick on bge0 all * Some IPF rules from the server: pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state pass out quick on re0 proto udp from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto icmp from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto gre from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto esp from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto ah from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state pass in quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep state block return-rst in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S block in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on re0 proto udp from any to any block in log quick on re0 all * I've tried with TCPKeepAlive off * Setting ClientAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the server did not improve things. * Setting ServerAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the client neither, although I got a different error: DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 21:05:26 2007 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1f (/usr) to standard output DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 429177 tape blocks. DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] Received disconnect from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: 2: Timeout, your session not responding. DUMP: Broken pipe DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. * A dump from the client machine to another server works fine. The receiving host has a similar internet connection as the office (cable). * A dump from another webserver of ours, running FreeBSD-4.10-RELEASE in another data centre can dump fine to the office with the same construction. This webserver uses IPFW. * Uploading a big file (200M) over SFTP to the 6.2 webserver causes no problems. * Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable download speed. Read from remote host office.example.com: Connection reset by peer debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 77 bytes in 103.3 seconds debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.7 debug1: Exit status -1 lost connection * Maybe the MTU value was the cause, but setting them to 1472 on both sides didn't improve the situation as well. So as you may see I've tried a lot of things in order to make the dump work, but so far no luck. Probably I'm missing something crucial. I think it has something to do with the statetables in the firewall, but I was not able to succeed with that assumption. Any suggestion is very welcome. Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. (Punch, 1855) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 09:01:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017FE16A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8086813C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so347755uge for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:01:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=AE0RoAjU551B8BwVbG5hgoTxfFDIXttCaSIWJ3YKyKRnQT67Ce6M63k41b2lirL+ReWcwLDbGeBqlL+8rBaMlDj3KgK42KAJ1k6GKNIlRuI8k8pp88RGMsVaJH2JA3/q9J/bSExsywRJLuPWEpn538BLnkbq1SlzEAXof+C4nhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=HL4atwMlHQjZ0P4d7w1b6YAz/rfCbr5lHIreh8qAnCy9uhXfMFlwF1uCk3vM/tLzdjk/FmlDkldAI+Yv/5MwUItj/lXw2z4c4bw9fEt70SOZzUNvW2av8cTZtWt1jR3H26vltOeBvN3WrytIkT4ywDTKjTXndxV27brQiPgswYE= Received: by 10.78.172.20 with SMTP id u20mr383005hue.1186650066389; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm623247hua.2007.08.09.02.01.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCDE5080A; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:00:15 +0400 (GST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:00:15 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <46BAB6E2.4040206@boosten.org> Message-ID: <20070809125311.N10872@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <20070808222628.B49848@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <0B124FFF-D212-4373-9D58-9F65A1E4E64A@mac.com> <20070808230920.R53363@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BA188E.5050606@riderway.com> <20070809092552.K93573@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BAAD93.4010005@boosten.org> <20070809100951.D98213@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <46BAB6E2.4040206@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:01:10 -0000 Peter Boosten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: >> >>> What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update >>> still wants to update everything. >> >> Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or >> something of what's to be updated and not? >> > > Yup, probably. > Also (I think) there's no synchronisation between freebsd-update and > options you set in /etc/make.conf (again, I'm not sure about this, but I > do not want to try). > > For instance: in my make.conf is "NO_BIND=true", because I upgraded to > bind 9 long time ago and update it from ISC source. The latest patches > however wanted to overwrite my named. > > Enough wining however: freebsd rocks :-) Touche! FreeBSD rocks! :) freebsd-update does binary updates. I guess that's why it doesn't honour the options in make.conf? But what you say is a point nevertheless. If I were to use the newer version of BIND from ports (for instance), then freebsd-update would end up replacing it ... hmm, not nice. Maybe there's some way to ignore certain stuff through freebsd-update.conf(5)? The "IgnorePaths" setting seems an option where one can set paths to be ignore ... I suppose that can be used in such a situation? (Any examples anyone?) Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 09:03:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182FF16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9620D13C483 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rakheshster@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so348019uge for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=cxANtWzKpLLzDgq/tcSj0E782tsHhg+i3N1rLMHIHTWPARPOT1pjwjYL36af2PMozUiEruH/mLgjN1b3ECQ1HQ18I9yDphkDppJHU4dTg67ifm8B1Gp6lp2YLYRDBFmwEWq1GsrM/XRQQpsSdIq8ZyYNSZgSnp8vrtzYGzJRQBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:x-x-sender:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:from:sender; b=br1TZhxzR5VJdymDBiaLGE6o0uz7f7LJzbMCl8EFjkmGcuSNxE9P+9fIky9Ax5TPgyB+lhP0lLWt8C6+QcPgH7anYRjw6uQTyRLLvDQbR5IxutfebTagZtqhyMYZ2yD/2DbgsgEx+qdyZGvnHBCbMKD8NtiBGdSX9ihs14RjJC4= Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr810428hue.1186650185976; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.home.rakhesh.com ( [82.178.137.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm446026huc.2007.08.09.02.03.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.home.rakhesh.com (obelix.home.rakhesh.com [192.168.17.13]) by smtp.home.rakhesh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219225080A; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:02:21 +0400 (GST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:02:21 +0400 (GST) X-X-Sender: rakhesh@obelix.home.rakhesh.com To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <46BABC0A.1020404@boosten.org> Message-ID: <20070809130108.O10872@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> References: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> <46BABC0A.1020404@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Sender: Rakhesh Sasidharan Cc: "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:03:08 -0000 Peter Boosten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Alain G. Fabry wrote: >> >> Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files >> (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? >> > > As long as the UIDs are the same it should work. Yup. And (not sure if this is the default) while installing FreeBSD-current tell it *not* to NewFS to second partition. Else you'd lose whatever home directories+data that are already there ... Regards, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 09:05:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0B816A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl [213.51.103.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5064E13C468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE53398AB; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 501) id CC2B73988E; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:05:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ra.egypt.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411DE39885; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BAD8F9.3040503@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:06:01 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bram Schoenmakers References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: url=http://www.boosten.org/content/view/49/47/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:05:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > Dear list, > > There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data > centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump, > the SSH tunnel dies: > [snip] > * The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 > * The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE Last week I did a dump from 6.2 to 6.2 _over the internet_ without any problems, so IMHO it's not OS related. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGutj4rvsez6l/SvARAglMAJ9Qtj9HmBiKTG2FHC0GdK9/NYEnzwCgn0v3 ww1Wctmai/y0Y8VZuFDW3mI= =6z4D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 09:13:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D899816A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE313C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B2F143E6F; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:13:20 +0300 (EEST) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:13:47 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091213.47740.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: Bram Schoenmakers Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:13:21 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 11:25, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > Dear list, > > There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data > centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a > dump, the SSH tunnel dies: > > # /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh > backup@office.example.com \ > dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 > > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 20:58:51 2007 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1a (/) to standard output > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 60746 tape blocks. > DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] > DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] > Read from remote host office.example.com: Operation timed out > DUMP: Broken pipe > DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. > > Here are some facts about the situation: > > * The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 > * The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > * Both hosts have ipf installed > * Some IPF rules from the client: > > pass out quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto icmp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto gre from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto esp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto ah from any to any keep state > > block out quick on bge0 all > pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep > state > > block return-rst in log quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any > block in quick on bge0 proto tcp all flags S > block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on bge0 proto udp from > any to any > block in log quick on bge0 all > > * Some IPF rules from the server: > > pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto udp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto icmp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto gre from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto esp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto ah from any to any keep state > > pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state > > pass in quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep > state > > block return-rst in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S > block in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S > block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on re0 proto udp from > any to any > block in log quick on re0 all > These rules deny incoming ICMP in general, Path MTU discovery will be broken. [snip] > * Maybe the MTU value was the cause, but setting them to 1472 on both > sides didn't improve the situation as well. Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and server. I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing purposes. I think this is correct: pass out quick proto icmp from any to any pass in quick proto icmp from any to any somewhere above the "block in log quick on re0 all" rule. Hope this helps a bit Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 09:17:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1B616A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulf@alameda.net) Received: from mail.alameda.net (mail.alameda.net [194.55.105.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8546113C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulf@alameda.net) Received: by mail.alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0FF5333CF4; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:46:10 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Konrad Heuer Message-ID: <20070809084610.GG824@evil.alameda.net> References: <200708090639.l796dKLJ073662@barnetv.cc.uit.no> <20070809100509.X82810@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809100509.X82810@gwdu60.gwdg.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-ANI-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ANI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ANI-MailScanner-From: ulf@alameda.net Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, Ingeborg Hellemo , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:17:01 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:08:02AM +0200, Konrad Heuer wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Ingeborg Hellemo wrote: > > >(This SAN-stuff is one of my weak subjects, so please excuse me if I use > >the > >wrong terms. If there is a better list to ask this question, please tell > >me.) > > > > > >HW: ProLiant DL380 G4 > >OS: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 > >FC-card: > >isp0: port 0x5000-0x50ff mem > >0xfdff0000-0xfdff0fff irq 97 at device 1.0 on pci10 > > > >~/#kldstat > >Id Refs Address Size Name > >1 9 0xc0400000 7261f4 kernel > >2 1 0xc0b27000 93040 ispfw.ko > >3 1 0xc0bbb000 59f20 acpi.ko > >4 1 0xc6dea000 16000 linux.ko > > > > > > > >I am trying to access a disk-device on a SATABeast, but no success: > > > >~/#camcontrol rescan all > >Re-scan of bus 0 was successful > >Re-scan of bus 1 was successful > >Re-scan of bus 2 was successful > >Re-scan of bus 3 was successful > > > >~/#camcontrol devlist -v > >scbus0 on ciss0 bus 0: > > at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) > >scbus1 on ciss0 bus 32: > >scbus2 on ciss0 bus 33: > >scbus3 on isp0 bus 0: > >< > at scbus3 target -1 lun -1 () > >scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: > >< > at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) > > > > > >If we try to connect the fibre to our HP EVA SAN the disk shows up after a > >'rescan all' which makes me believe that I have not done any major > >screw-ups > >in configuring the card. > > > >I can see the device and LUN-number if I enter the cards BIOS, but not from > >FreeBSD. We have tried changing disk-size and LUN-number on the Beast. > > > > > >Any ideas? > > In such a case I'd try to boot the system using Knoppix or any other Linux > system. Maybe this will give you some additional diagnostics which helps > to make progress with FreeBSD. On the other hand, if Linux doesn't see the > disk too, you'd have to look closer to your hardware. Does your SATAbeast have a LUN exported to your host? -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://www.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 09:30:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A9A16A419; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ingeborg.Hellemo@cc.uit.no) Received: from mux2.uit.no (mux2.uit.no [129.242.5.252]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA82713C4A7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ingeborg.Hellemo@cc.uit.no) Received: from flode.cc.uit.no (flode.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.250]) by mux2.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.6/Mux) with ESMTP id l799UFQF093588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:30:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from barnetv.cc.uit.no (barnetv.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.226]) by flode.cc.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l799URiL007331; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:30:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ingeborg@cc.uit.no) Received: from barnetv.cc.uit.no (localhost.cc.uit.no [127.0.0.1]) by barnetv.cc.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l799UFYO077391; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:30:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ingeborg@barnetv.cc.uit.no) Message-Id: <200708090930.l799UFYO077391@barnetv.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: ulf@alameda.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:46:10 PDT." <20070809084610.GG824@evil.alameda.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:30:15 +0200 From: Ingeborg Hellemo X-Virus-Scanned: : ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 129.242.5.252 Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:30:20 -0000 ulf@alameda.net said: > Does your SATAbeast have a LUN exported to your host? Yes, and we have also experimented with different sizes and different LUN-numbers (> 16, < 16). The Beast can see the card on the host. A point perhaps worth mentioning is that there exists a SAN-switch between the host and the Beast. --Ingeborg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:01:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7B016A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B48113C468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apvanderveen@att.net) Received: from t60.mydomain.home (cpe-72-231-141-22.nycap.res.rr.com[72.231.141.22]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with ESMTP id <2007080912010311200p85ase>; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:01:03 +0000 Message-ID: <46BB01FE.4030201@att.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:01:02 -0400 From: "Arend P. van der Veen" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Latitude References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:01:05 -0000 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. > We migrated from Windows to Linux and then to FreeBSD. We develop and deploy web based applications using open source tools. Our goal was to find a reliable trouble-free open source operating system to standardize on. We found that in FreeBSD and have been very happy ever since we made the switch. It is one of our decisions that we never regretted. We also use the same release of FreeBSD on our development systems. That way, we develop on the same platform that deploy. We find that this helps avoid hassles when it is time to deploy an update. We do have Mac laptops to help support some applications such as Dreamweaver that are not available on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:03:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A129C16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA9A13C442 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79C3ZF4068705; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:03:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79C3ZVk068702; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:03:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:03:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Latitude In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20070809140303.X68679@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:03:45 -0000 > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon do not "switch to freebsd". use windows if you have to "be convinced". switch when you will convince yourself. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:04:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A4B16A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1180F13C459 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79C4NY4068724; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:04:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79C4NiN068721; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:04:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:04:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Pollywog In-Reply-To: <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Message-ID: <20070809140350.L68679@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:04:28 -0000 > > I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I think > that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD > would be a better introduction for you. > The most windows-like system (of which are you talking about) is windows. just keep with it From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:14:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139DC16A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA9813C469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79CBKLW079437; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:11:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l79CBJct079436; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:11:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:11:19 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: "Alain G. Fabry" Message-ID: <20070809121119.GA79394@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:14:53 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:57:36AM +0200, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Hello, > > I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. > > One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home > directories). > On the third I would like to install FreeBSD-current to play around a > bit and get more familiar with the OS. > > Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition > that I can use my data files > (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? > > So finally I would like to have Multiboot (FreeBSD 6.2 and Current) which > both use the same userspace (second partition) Sure, no problem. Just make a mount point for it and put it in /etc/fstab in both versions. Note, that I believe you are speaking of 'slices' when you say 'partition'. In FreeBSD UNIX world, the slice is the major division on the disk that is numbered 1..4 and a partition is a subdivision of a slice, labeled a..h. So, maybe your have 6.2 installed in da0s1[a..h] and that extra data written to da0s2a and plan to install 'current' to da0s3[a..h]. ////jerry > > Please let me know if this is not clear. Other than the possible conflicting use of the term partition, it is clear. ////jerry > > Thanks, > > Alain > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:20:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC6916A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C06913C48D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79CGcio079458; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:16:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l79CGcUx079457; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:16:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:16:38 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Bram Schoenmakers Message-ID: <20070809121637.GB79394@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:20:09 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:25:41AM +0200, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > Dear list, > > There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data > centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump, > the SSH tunnel dies: > > # /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh > backup@office.example.com \ > dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 > > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 20:58:51 2007 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1a (/) to standard output > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 60746 tape blocks. > DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] > DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] > Read from remote host office.example.com: Operation timed out > DUMP: Broken pipe > DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. Note: I have been getting something that looks very similar when I try to dump a large file system - actually not all that large, just about 30 GB - over the net to a different machine. The one with the tape is running a quite old FreeBSD - around 4.9 I think - and can't be upgraded at the moment. The one I am attempting to dump is on 6.1 - which I want to move to 6.2, but have been stalling because I haven't been able to get a good dump. I don't have anything to add to Bram's facts here, just that the timeout like this is happening on another system too. ////jerry > > Here are some facts about the situation: > > * The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 > * The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > * Both hosts have ipf installed > * Some IPF rules from the client: > > pass out quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto icmp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto gre from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto esp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on bge0 proto ah from any to any keep state > > block out quick on bge0 all > pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep state > > block return-rst in log quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any > block in quick on bge0 proto tcp all flags S > block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on bge0 proto udp from any > to any > block in log quick on bge0 all > > * Some IPF rules from the server: > > pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto udp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto icmp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto gre from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto esp from any to any keep state > pass out quick on re0 proto ah from any to any keep state > > pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state > > pass in quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep state > > block return-rst in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S > block in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S > block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on re0 proto udp from any to > any > block in log quick on re0 all > > * I've tried with TCPKeepAlive off > * Setting ClientAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the server did not improve things. > * Setting ServerAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the client neither, although I got > a different error: > > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 21:05:26 2007 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1f (/usr) to standard output > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 429177 tape blocks. > DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] > DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] > Received disconnect from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: 2: Timeout, your session not > responding. > DUMP: Broken pipe > DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. > > * A dump from the client machine to another server works fine. The receiving > host has a similar internet connection as the office (cable). > * A dump from another webserver of ours, running FreeBSD-4.10-RELEASE in > another data centre can dump fine to the office with the same construction. > This webserver uses IPFW. > * Uploading a big file (200M) over SFTP to the 6.2 webserver causes no > problems. > * Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some > SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable > download speed. > > Read from remote host office.example.com: Connection reset by peer > debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 77 bytes in 103.3 seconds > debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.7 > debug1: Exit status -1 > lost connection > > * Maybe the MTU value was the cause, but setting them to 1472 on both sides > didn't improve the situation as well. > > So as you may see I've tried a lot of things in order to make the dump work, > but so far no luck. Probably I'm missing something crucial. I think it has > something to do with the statetables in the firewall, but I was not able to > succeed with that assumption. > > Any suggestion is very welcome. > > Kind regards, > > -- > Bram Schoenmakers > > What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. > (Punch, 1855) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:23:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0BC16A469; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ingeborg.Hellemo@cc.uit.no) Received: from mux1.uit.no (mux1.uit.no [129.242.4.252]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D435F13C458; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ingeborg.Hellemo@cc.uit.no) Received: from flode.cc.uit.no (flode.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.250]) by mux1.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.6/Mux) with ESMTP id l79CNNop084739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from barnetv.cc.uit.no (barnetv.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.226]) by flode.cc.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l79CNZ7C013419; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:23:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ingeborg@cc.uit.no) Received: from barnetv.cc.uit.no (localhost.cc.uit.no [127.0.0.1]) by barnetv.cc.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79CNNKa082349; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:23:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ingeborg@barnetv.cc.uit.no) Message-Id: <200708091223.l79CNNKa082349@barnetv.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: Konrad Heuer In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:08:02 +0200." <20070809100509.X82810@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:23:23 +0200 From: Ingeborg Hellemo X-Virus-Scanned: : ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 129.242.4.252 Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:23:26 -0000 kheuer2@gwdg.de said: > In such a case I'd try to boot the system using Knoppix or any other Linux > system. Maybe this will give you some additional diagnostics which helps to > make progress with FreeBSD. On the other hand, if Linux doesn't see the disk > too, you'd have to look closer to your hardware. New data point: We moved the card to a machine running CentOS with drivers from Qlogic and experienced no problems in finding the drive, making partitions etc. I guess this means that there are no HW or wiring problems and that the problems lies within the isp(4) driver. Suggestions? -- Ingeborg Řstrem Hellemo -- ingeborg@cc.uit.no (Univ. of Tromsř, Norway) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:26:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1843216A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83F513C501 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:26:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86491EBC78; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:26:12 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Latitude Message-Id: <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:26:15 -0000 In response to Latitude : > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. Flame me if you want, I won't respond. I'll speak my peace and be done. First off, I don't know where you got the misguided idea that FreeBSD is a "perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows." It's not, and it never will be. If you want something that endeavours to make your life easy, something that takes control away from you so a corporate entity can decide what you want and when you want it, something that lies to you about what's going on to protect you from having to understanding it instead of _letting_you_actually_ _use_your_computer_, something that always has another license fee hidden where you didn't see, but that license will (allegedly) take care of the problem you have today, if you work for a big company where you want someone else to blame if something goes wrong (because nobody ever got fired for buying IBM) instead of actually doing your job, something where the people who create it for you are inaccessible and there's no real "community" -- then you should use Windows and stop worrying about switching to something else. If you want to be in control of your computer and things related to your computer, then you'd better accept that to have control you've got to have a better understanding of how things work (i.e. the jargon). If you want to have computer software that is open to you for inspection and improvement without any hidden strings attached, then you'd better accept that you'll need to have an understanding of what you're inspecting before you can inspect it. If you want to be part of a community and have the opportunity to talk to the movers and shakers who are doing historically significant stuff with computers, you're going to have to understand WTF they're saying when they talk. If you're willing to take on those responsibilities, then FreeBSD is an excellent platform to allow you to pursue cool computer stuff. If you want something that pretends to be Windows easy and FreeBSD free at the same time, accomplishing both with acceptable meritocracy, then you should look at PC-BSD. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:30:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B5216A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from thenetnow.com (thenetnow.com [69.90.69.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA40C13C494 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from hpeel.ody.ca ([216.240.12.2] helo=GRANT) by constellation.thenetnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IJ79n-00029u-LW; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <00df01c7da81$10975ce0$6501a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "Pollywog" References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com><200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> <20070809140350.L68679@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:30:26 -0400 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:30:39 -0000 Local system status: 3:01AM up 521 days, 19:57, 0 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.05, 0.02 (FreeBSD 4.4) -Grant ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wojciech Puchar=20 To: Pollywog=20 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Convince me, please! > > I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I = think > that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or = DesktopBSD > would be a better introduction for you. > The most windows-like system (of which are you talking about) is = windows.=20 just keep with it _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Total Control Panel Login =20 To: gpeel@thenetnow.com Block messages from this sender = (blacklist) =20 From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Remove this sender = from my whitelist =20 =20 You received this message because the sender is on your = whitelist. =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:32:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1863116A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:32:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CF113C45E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070809123255m110011s66e>; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:32:55 +0000 Received: from [199.20.68.40] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:32:55 +0000 From: bob.middaugh@comcast.net (Bob Middaugh) To: Latitude , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:32:55 +0000 Message-Id: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Ym9iLm1pZGRhdWdoQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:32:56 -0000 Latitude writes: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. It's up to you to figure out if you like it or not. If you install it and have any questions, this is the place to ask. It's your *choice*, not any one person's responsibility to convince you. You don't realize how entitled that sounds? At least you said please. > I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. You'll have that, it's the FreeBSD website. > I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. Then I think you have your answer already. > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? You obviously haven't read the handbook.: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Careful though, it's chock full of "FreeBSD speak." >Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? Did I mention the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html >How will I migrate files from other operating systems? That *choice* is yours. > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. If you're afraid, then you should probably never try anything new. Ever. >You need to address those concerns head on from the start. LOL, only my wife tells me what I need to do. >I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. You do, do you? Try giving this a shot. Install it, with the help of the handbook and the fine people on this list, setup a GUI for yourself and you can take as many screenshots as your little heart desires. Really, you can! > Help me (and yourselves) out. I'm not sure anyone can help you. Here's what you need to get started: a positive attitude; a "can do" attitude. Picture yourself as one of history's great explorer's, put your fear aside and jump in with both feet. Or, stick with Window'$. The *choice* really is yours. Good luck with your decisions, Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 12:57:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE47C16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay009.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay009.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC2413C45E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from 234.38-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.38.234]) by mailrelay009.isp.belgacom.be with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2007 14:57:37 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:56:09 +0200 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809125609.GA16304@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> References: <20070809065736.GA15402@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> <20070809121119.GA79394@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809121119.GA79394@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Partitioning question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:57:41 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:11:19AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:57:36AM +0200, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. > > > > One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home > > directories). > > On the third I would like to install FreeBSD-current to play around a > > bit and get more familiar with the OS. > > > > Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition > > that I can use my data files > > (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? > > > > So finally I would like to have Multiboot (FreeBSD 6.2 and Current) which > > both use the same userspace (second partition) > > Sure, no problem. Just make a mount point for it and put it in /etc/fstab > in both versions. > > Note, that I believe you are speaking of 'slices' when you say 'partition'. > In FreeBSD UNIX world, the slice is the major division on the disk that > is numbered 1..4 and a partition is a subdivision of a slice, labeled a..h. > > So, maybe your have 6.2 installed in da0s1[a..h] and that extra data > written to da0s2a and plan to install 'current' to da0s3[a..h]. > > ////jerry > > > > > Please let me know if this is not clear. > > Other than the possible conflicting use of the term partition, it is > clear. > > ////jerry > > Indeed, slices is what I mean (still ignorent windows user ;-) Thanks, I'll try this out. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alain > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 13:11:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101C516A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1638E13C4A6 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79DB7oh069405; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79DB6NP069402; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:11:13 -0000 > a "perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously > known only Windows." It's not, and it never will be. never say never, but i wish too it will never be. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 13:30:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CBE16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C18713C49D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 130106820-1860479 for multiple; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:29:15 -0400 Message-ID: <46BB16F1.8010802@chrononomicon.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:30:25 -0400 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Latitude References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:30:28 -0000 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. A) I don't think the FreeBSD team is on a crusade to convert the masses. B) If you want to try it, download the CDs, learn how to partition your drive or get a spare hard disk or buy virtualization software, and you can install it side-by-side with Windows to tinker and learn the OS. C) If Windows is annoying you so much that you're driven to learn another OS, welcome aboard. If you're just hoping for a turnkey solution you may need to switch to a Mac, where you'll still have a learning curve. I'm not trying to chase you away from trying it, but it's a fact that there's no way for you to just go out and get a "Windows that works". There's no instant fix to whatever frustrates you about your OS on your system. There's going to be a learning curve. Some are steeper than others, and UNIX has a heritage in the server environment and high-end workstation environments, and it shows. The whole "home user" bit was not a priority. You may want to invest in a book or two from Amazone or B&N, or spend time reading the FreeBSD handbook, which you'll get as a response more often than you'd like on this list because most of your basic questions are answered there. Really your best bet is to use virtualization software or familiarize yourself with dual-booting. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 13:43:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CBA16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from viefep34-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1F613C467 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [89.98.221.195]) by viefep34-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070809134315.MZBL8078.viefep34-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:43:15 +0200 From: Bram Schoenmakers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091213.47740.nvass@teledomenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200708091213.47740.nvass@teledomenet.gr> X-Face: &[!|}QvdlkzFIu, |mW.\-Ci1t2d@CEo+#Q14@XM9*@`S, @l*5r-m!\, , kFc:ZlD62]6/>=?utf-8?q?=5B=0A=09Ovg=3BN=5Bqk=3B=60w6=3D5abys2!H+EUYcEDJ?==?utf-8?q?=25lo=26d67gO=2E!/=0A=09w?=@YD{YH]Ebe{@|(qtKgoum%{-=qXlf.+/`^E<'!m"?5d<&C(:B+p*KjP'-Knv!6U<=?utf-8?q?1W!=7EZ=0A=09P3ee-=7BfAb-i+MsJHM?=@ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:43:10 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200708091543.11003.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:43:17 -0000 Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef u: > Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, > just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and server. > > I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow > ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing purposes. I think this is > correct: > pass out quick proto icmp from any to any > pass in quick proto icmp from any to any > > somewhere above the "block in log quick on re0 all" rule. > > Hope this helps a bit > > Nikos Thank you for your answer. I have added the 'pass in for icmp' rule to the firewall (pass out did already exist). There was a noticable improvement, the /usr dump came much further than before. But at about 80% there was the timeout again. I tried lowering the MTU value at the server side, but nearly all other network traffic stopped working, so that is not the way to go. Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. (Punch, 1855) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 13:49:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6BE16A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0A113C4B0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l79DnG3W016733; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l79DnG1t016730; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:49:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Latitude In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20070809072312.O16436@wonkity.com> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:49:17 -0000 On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, Why? > but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful > argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. FreeBSD finds users by being a quality operating system, not by trying to get people to switch away from Windows. > I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. Jargon comes with the territory; Windows itself has a specialized jargon. There are online sources to discover the meanings of jargon terms. > I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly > acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously > known only Windows. FreeBSD as provided is not an alternative to Windows for the home desktop user. It can be set up that way. > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? No. All of that is separate from the operating system, and has to be installed if wanted by the user. > Will I have a browser No, there isn't one included in the base system. > and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? Yes, ifconfig, dhclient, and friends are available in the base system. > How will I migrate files from other operating systems? It would depend on the files, filesystems, physical media, and other factors like applications. > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. FreeBSD is mostly not looking for Windows switchers, so the problem doesn't come up. On the other hand, if you or someone else wants to position FreeBSD as a desktop Windows alternative, there's nothing to keep you from making your own modifications and providing the end result. Like these guys: http://www.pcbsd.com > I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as > alternatives to what I have. Pick the applications you want to use, and then choose an operating system that runs them. Most open source applications run on multiple operating systems, including Linux, FreeBSD, and even Windows. > Help me (and yourselves) out. All the cool kids are running Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:05:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5A216A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6642B13C461 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B836F1423E9; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:04:05 +0300 (EEST) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:04:31 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091213.47740.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <200708091543.11003.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200708091543.11003.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091704.31952.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: Bram Schoenmakers Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:05:58 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 16:43, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef u: > > Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, > > just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and > > server. > > > > I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow > > ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing purposes. I think this is > > correct: > > pass out quick proto icmp from any to any > > pass in quick proto icmp from any to any > > > > somewhere above the "block in log quick on re0 all" rule. > > > > Hope this helps a bit > > > > Nikos > > Thank you for your answer. > > I have added the 'pass in for icmp' rule to the firewall (pass out did > already exist). There was a noticable improvement, the /usr dump came > much further than before. But at about 80% there was the timeout again. Strange, is it possible that the filesystem is corrupted and dump cannot continue and quits? Keep in mind that dump(8) uses UFS2 snapshots. I don't know the current status, but in the past, snapshots were not working that good. 1) Can you dump the file locally? 2) Is scp working? > > I tried lowering the MTU value at the server side, but nearly all other > network traffic stopped working, so that is not the way to go. Ofcourse, this could be a problem. MTU must be the same across the ethernet segment. And obviously your upstream router is administered by your ISP. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:06:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D6116A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C56113C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 24924 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2007 14:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 14:06:17 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 543C628425; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:06:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:06:17 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Latitude Message-ID: <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:06:19 -0000 On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:22:26PM -0500, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD > jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming > argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home > desktop users who have previously known only Windows. I don't know that such a claim is ever made from within FreeBSD. FreeBSD is Unix, for and by those who know and love Unix. Linux is the one wanting to be a better Windows than Windows. For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:07:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0590C16A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp2.tls.net (smtp2.tls.net [65.196.224.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA57B13C468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 93509 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 13:40:38 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 93500, pid: 93505, t: 0.1817s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 clamav: 0.91.1/m: spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp-2.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=20.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 64-184-9-123.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.0.103?) (dave.list@pixelhammer.com@64.184.9.123) by auth-smtp2.tls.net with ESMTPA; 9 Aug 2007 13:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <46BB1919.90302@pixelhammer.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:39:37 -0400 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:07:52 -0000 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. > I think you are confused, this is not a contest. If you would like to try FreeBSD as a desktop, there are lots of helpful, friendly, knowledgeable folks here waiting to lend you a hand. If you throw down a gauntlet, all you will do is mess up a really nice glove, it will get stepped on a lot by all the FreeBSD users who don't care. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:17:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDBB16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mary.e@swbell.net) Received: from web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4422513C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mary.e@swbell.net) Received: (qmail 73080 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2007 13:51:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=w1Banl5VWAcBjV6szi/yqJpziXezp91NEbPaGgqmyNvh19Dezoifgfx/LhTN86mvQ6qxBR5JtByizDzHIvaquPtZ2L3H052aIgo2Sxvb9oJPM9bzmALA5RvIN0rre7TLSEmhZh2R7RJ+P61dS5Dd9rqAyltroEf3nOBdH4reSC8=; X-YMail-OSG: 8hMyhjEVM1kUCkWCIqYKy6.7hkD38eIGz_OiUOr0xo71UBQOJq92y5HJMi8aH7WJZw-- Received: from [70.130.154.142] by web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:51:09 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Evans To: Latitude MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <566989.72816.qm@web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:17:51 -0000 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. Didn't you really mean to say you need to be SOLD? If you need to be convinced, you probably won't enjoy your FreeBSD experience. As others have told you, FreeBSD people are generally looking to TAKE BACK CONTROL OF THEIR OWN COMPUTERS! Sorry for shouting . . . Case in point. I have a Windows XP system which I use to access my organization's On-Line Learning system, and to let me surf and do stuff while I learn BSD. My intent is to get totally away from Windows, since more, and often better, software exists for almost everything I do. And it's free. I also want my desktop to look and offer what I want, not what somebody else decided I should have. With FreeBSD, I can use applications produced for windows - - when I LEARN HOW. (Though the more I learn, the less I see the need to use those, since comparable and even superior applications exist for FreeBSD.) I just don't want any of the cutesey crap that windows is loaded with. When I want to find something, I want to find it - not click another screen with a lame animation that wants to confirm what I want to do. And I certainly don't trust a firewall built by folks whose first response to system flaws is "It only affects a small group. . ." and who then finally offers you the fix! I'll build my own firewall, and I'll grab a fix for any security problems a few days after they're known. If windows craps out, you reboot or system restore, without even knowing why it crashed. In FreeBSD, if it craps out, it tells you what happened, and writes to disk as much information as it can to help you solve the problem. You may not understand what that stuff is telling you, but SOMEBODY does, and you can find an answer. I put together a computer with an 8 gig drive and 192 megs of ram. (I think it's a pentium 2 or 3. It's been a while since I built it.) FreeBSD fits nicely, is very responsive, and doesn't hog either the RAM or the hard drive. A Windows machine would take up most of the drive, not to mention slow down with that amount of RAM. Convince you? Sorry. I don't really care what you use. And I take exception to the business of "helping ourselves." Frankly, we ARE helping outselves to freedom from bloated code, new holes for rootkits and viruses with every iteration, and to the expense of paying more and more every time you look around. I'm as new as they come to this system. Even when I had all working pretty well, I knew there was more to know, more to be done. I broke, and took that opportunity to rebuild everything from scratch, (didn't do my own kernel, yet, but I will!)on the enhanced box I described above. Before, well, it was a plain pentium with a less than a gig of harddrive space, and 128 megs of RAM. When you get sick and tired of being sick and tired of Windows, you won't need any convincing. marye From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:21:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C2216A47A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA3113C4E5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC98143B46; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:21:20 +0300 (EEST) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:21:46 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20070809065005.GA15380@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20070809065005.GA15380@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091721.47140.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: "Alain G. Fabry" Subject: Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:21:28 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 09:50, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Hello, > > Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' > supported on FreeBSD6.2? It's merged to RELENG_6 also known as FreeBSD-STABLE. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/modules/sound/driver/hda/Makefile?rev=1.1.2.1;only_with_tag=RELENG_6 So, if you update to -STABLE, you will probably have it working. > > If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it > to work. kldload snd_hda. HTH, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:21:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAC116A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trph@free.fr) Received: from postfix1-g20.free.fr (postfix1-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E604813C4B6 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trph@free.fr) Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr (smtp1-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.27]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468CB1860AAC for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F771AB2D3 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (rob76-4-82-238-176-192.fbx.proxad.net [82.238.176.192]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E881AB2EC for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (localhost.theGauls.fr [127.0.0.1]) by assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l79DlqLx001720 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:47:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trph@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr) Received: (from trph@localhost) by assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id l79DlqK4001719 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:47:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trph) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:47:52 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Trophardy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: don't read it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:21:40 -0000 test message -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:29:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4523316A417 for ; 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Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:28:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trph) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:28:37 +0200 From: trphfreebsdquestions@free.fr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809142837.GA2088@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: don't read it, test X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:29:27 -0000 test -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:34:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF77C16A468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (duane.dbq.yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A1913C4A3 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400296D437 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:34:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Duane Hill X-X-Sender: d.hill@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> Message-ID: <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: don't read it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:34:28 -0000 freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 15:47 +0200, xend.x.tph@dfgh.net confabulated: > test message > > -- > Jean-Pierre Trophardy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ------- _|_ (_| | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:39:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3971E16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12A413C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.23.2] (62-31-10-181.cable.ubr05.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.10.181]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01687E000A1B; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:39:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:39:44 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061205 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikos Vassiliadis , Bram Schoenmakers References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091213.47740.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <200708091543.11003.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091704.31952.nvass@teledomenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200708091704.31952.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:39:47 -0000 Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >Keep in mind that dump(8) uses UFS2 snapshots. I don't know >the current status, but in the past, snapshots were not working >that good. > This statement is far too general and IMHO does a disservice to those who worked on snapshots. There were (and maybe even are, but I haven't seen a problem report in ages) issues with large numbers of snapshots or with large (active?) filesystems, but in that case *dump would never have started* as the snapshot wouldn't have completed. I'm still running 5.4 which is pretty "in the past" and have no issue with dump -L sending the files over the ethernet either compressing locally or remotely. (Well, I do, but only with one ethernet driver and it's either a driver or a hardware fault and nothing to do with dump or snapshots). Other 5.4 systems I run use snapshots on a daily basis for other purposes and again have no problems. Bram Schoenmakers wrote: ># /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh >backup@office.example.com \ > dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 > > bzip2 is darned slow and not always much better than gzip -9. It might be that ssh is just timing out in some way (I've seen that but not with ethernet dumps specifically). Can you try the test using gzip -9 instead of bzip? If that works, then look for ssh options that affect timeouts, keepalives etc. In particular, ServerAliveInterval 60 in a .ssh/config stopped xterm windows dying on me to certain hosts. YMMV :-( If you have the disk space then you could try without any compression at all; or try doing the compression remotely: /sbin/dump -0 -a -C 64 -L -h 0 -f - / | \ /usr/local/bin/ssh backup@office.example.com \ "gzip -9 > /backup/webserver/root.0.gz" Otherwise: Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >1) Can you dump the file locally? > >2) Is scp working? If you can write (and compress if short of disk space) the dump locally and try an scp to your remote host as Nikos is suggesting, that will narrow down the problem a bit. Any other large file will do: doesn't have to be a dump. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:44:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C1716A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A113C504 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.23.2] (62-31-10-181.cable.ubr05.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.10.181]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59C9E0003A9; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:44:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BB2862.6030201@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:44:50 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061205 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> In-Reply-To: <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: don't read it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:44:56 -0000 Duane Hill wrote: > > freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. > Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. Don't even need to subscribe:-) You can view the archives at http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-test.html or http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-test/ --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:49:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED7516A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:49:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scubacuda@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A883713C483 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:49:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scubacuda@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so214374nzf for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:49:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=A/kx319ELQJXpO2eFF8adC++7H3hzDWymu2pu3kx3D3t+9z9mq+MGiedLH1oni2Gbzizfp+b5xrLOVETudwxLVB6muuRHSLH9rjbqW3td1sTGZp4H8TfK0hUAQ5tvkejoP3PYzSXU09zYhuVhni8HMTRwF0W8nXAylabESQ3+o8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=a+Z9LVqu+9dd/+r1E8KL72X5p1vaxPuoWnGmqhUJUxT1krmCiCqtPlwZBKcJ0VqblaQ6HuYEgRe2Xv5TSTCiqN/AL2EVTbQ7djsgzocTlDSfS1IuXQPa32oQkjZlGeZzexy9VoWX9r6+GraY3dHP5F6dDIg7XOC6etPU8gewyvY= Received: by 10.115.95.1 with SMTP id x1mr1373695wal.1186669350673; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [68.183.173.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j29sm2669289waf.2007.08.09.07.22.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BB2326.9060203@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:22:30 -0700 From: Rogelio Bastardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809072312.O16436@wonkity.com> In-Reply-To: <20070809072312.O16436@wonkity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: scubacuda@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:49:40 -0000 Latitude wrote: >> but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful >> argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I suggest you not change from Windows to BSD. It looks like you're best off with an operating system that requires little to no input on your part to set up. It's like asking which is better -- a hammer or a shovel They're both different tools with different strenghts and weaknesses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:49:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B4416A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D0913C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so117361anc for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hYGE4vForQB62rGwkI9KZDO28le0dWimrZuHqcVH4k+bH4ffz+w7VglrQuk/Xs/STrfiWoQNeT0A+t3yhKsDG1pBluL1+q3sMPfR0r6kWkkxqhfCrmOBabHXBh0i/WeA/1tDGaxB90jIpMSlIt76EG73VdvousxhdKZodPV8iW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Ju/6DOjpqJDX6rZC7cBoWLkihlvXKMV6vO31D5csqXcDt2eIOiq17SXwGpM5XbZzkgDxAxcZRyYM7a1KQDXy68SiwVXC5cvn5pu+wB28FOBPYDGmZyCb0kNBi6ntatDdcJbdaP3/43rV/rpyOErdrJuEqycaEc2i9rOZ0MbU63g= Received: by 10.100.132.16 with SMTP id f16mr2147036and.1186670987724; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.47.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:49:47 -0300 From: luizbcampos@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: upgrading FBSD6-1-R==>6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:49:49 -0000 I'm one of subscribers of FreeBSD mailing lists and I saw your announce at one of these lists about your online book. You have made a magnific work and despite of being a linux user for nearly ten years I decided to use FBSD too. The system is well documented and I've learned to love it. Thanks to your book it was possible to upgrade my system without problems. The question is that I own a usb canon printer Ip1600 and I need it to work. I was told I would have to upgrade my system in order to use linux fc4. but I didn't find linux fc4 in emulators directory. Tell me some info. Regards Luiz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:50:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB716A46B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trph@free.fr) Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr (smtp1-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225AE13C481 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trph@free.fr) Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DDC1AB2EF; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:50:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (rob76-4-82-238-176-192.fbx.proxad.net [82.238.176.192]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEF11AB2F7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (localhost.theGauls.fr [127.0.0.1]) by assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l79EoCTn002336; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:50:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trph@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr) Received: (from trph@localhost) by assurancetourix.theGauls.fr (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id l79EoC5m002335; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:50:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trph) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:50:11 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Trophardy To: Duane Hill , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: Re: don't read it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:50:27 -0000 Duane Hill wrote: > > freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > to it and use it for test message sending. > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:52:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA6316A46C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEBE13C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) X-Sent-To: robertjx@ix.netcom.com Received: from [192.168.2.5] (c-71-238-82-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [71.238.82.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l79EN1r2007697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:23:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) From: Mark Moellering Organization: Psyberation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:22:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091022.52692.mark@msen.com> Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=71.238.82.210; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=71.238.82.210; helo=[192.168.2.5] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 71.238.82.210; Sender-helo: [192.168.2.5]; ) Cc: Latitude Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark@msen.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:52:36 -0000 There is a lot to your question that you may not realize. I think before=20 answering your question, a brief discussion of computers is appropriate. A computer is a phenomenally complex system of parts. If you go to the=20 website of a major Motherboard manufacturer, you will see a huge list of=20 specifications; including chipsets, ports (USB, ethernet, firewire)=20 connectors (SATA, EIDE, SCSI, etc) and so on. The operating system has to= =20 know how to talk to all these different systems. There is no real standard= =20 for all these parts, although many of the basic components are somewhat=20 standardized, there are specific drivers for USB, ethernet, drive connector= s=20 and especially video. Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. (how well= it=20 runs is up for debate) =46reeBSD is also pretty good at running on just about any hardware, howeve= r,=20 you may need to do some file manipulation to get your video display soundca= rd=20 or some other peripherals to work. Depending on what hardware you are running, FreeBSd may load and have you u= p=20 and running with a windows like desktop with a minimum of fuss. If you nee= d=20 to edit and recompile your kernel or hand edit your X windows configuration= =20 file , it will become a nightmare. =20 [ or to put it in english; if you have to specify a special driver so that= =20 the Operating System knows how to talk to a particular component of your=20 computer, then you need to change the kernel, which controls all of the=20 general hardware of a computer. =20 Unix systems are designed to be a command line OS. The 'X' windows system = is=20 what generates the GUI. If you have a non-standard video card and/or=20 monitor, you may need to specify things like horizontal and vertical refres= h=20 rates for the monitor, special settings for the video card driver, and othe= r=20 information found in a configuration file to get the GUI to run. ] =20 The general philosophy of most FreeeBSD users is that we are willing to spe= nd=20 time learning about the inner workings of the OS to get the computer to do= =20 what we want. =46rom your e-mail, it sounds like you are looking for something that will= =20 install as easily as windows and that is not FreeBSD. =20 I would suggest you look at http://www.openoffice.org, if you haven't alrea= dy,=20 which will show you some alternatives to the standard MS software that you= =20 can run on windows. =20 I hope this helps Mark Moellering Psyberation, inc. P.S. I tried to keep the hardware discussion at a basic level and i will=20 ignore any messages pointing out errors in my description of the kernel or = X,=20 etc ... On Thursday 09 August 2007 12:22 am, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:56:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DD316A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (duane.dbq.yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D855013C45A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114036D437 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:56:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Duane Hill X-X-Sender: d.hill@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46BB2862.6030201@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: <20070809145458.B11145@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> <46BB2862.6030201@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: don't read it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:56:10 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 15:44 +0100, xfb52@dial.pipex.com confabulated: > Duane Hill wrote: > >> >> freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to >> it and use it for test message sending. > > Don't even need to subscribe:-) > > You can view the archives at > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-test.html or > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-test/ Yes. However, if you are testing your ability to receive list posted messages from the FreeBSD servers, you would need to be subscribed. ------- _|_ (_| | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:59:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8EB16A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:59:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-5.eunet.yu (smtpclu-5.eunet.yu [194.247.192.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CEB13C46E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-5.eunet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79ExbIU016932; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:59:40 +0200 Message-Id: <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:54:41 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.0 Cc: Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:59:45 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > a "perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have > > previously known only Windows." It's not, and it never will be. >=20 > never say never, but i wish too it will never be. Please note that the original posting contains a hidden claim that window$ is a perfect, eternal and god-given desktop system. Therefore if you say that FreeBSD will never be a "perfectly acceptable alternative..." to that, you agree with that hidden claim. window$ as a desktop system is as wrong as it is as an "operating system". In my opinion, FreeBSD set up as a desktop system is what a desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system".=20 Or: "perfect desktop system" has nothing to do with m$'s approach. To Latitude: if you can't accept this ^^^, then don't switch. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:59:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9890B16A46C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6844C13C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8269EBC78; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:59:44 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070809105944.f35ef8fa.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jean-Pierre Trophardy Subject: Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:59:46 -0000 In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy : > Duane Hill wrote: > > > > freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > > to it and use it for test message sending. > > > > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. The reason for the complaint (and the reason the freebsd-test list exists) is that you just "inconvenienced" thousands of people who subscribe to this list. As usual, this resulted in a discussion that is further inconveniencing people ... The point behind that freebsd-test list is that it is configured in exactly the same manner as other FreeBSD mailing lists. If you can subscribe and post to freebsd-test, then you will be able to use the exact same procedure to subscribe and post to any other FreeBSD mailing list. So there is no reason to ever send test messages to anything other than freebsd-test. I'm not saying this to berate you, Jean-Pierre. My purpose is to clarify this for anyone who may be reading, or may in the future read the mail archives for this list. Understanding the system allows people to use it effectively. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 15:02:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39DC16A469 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (duane.dbq.yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE1C13C47E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1504D6D437 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:02:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Duane Hill X-X-Sender: d.hill@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> Message-ID: <20070809145840.G11145@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: don't read it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:02:33 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 16:50 +0200, xend.x.tph@dfgh.net confabulated: > Duane Hill wrote: >> >> freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe >> to it and use it for test message sending. >> > > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. No inconvenience. I didn't know if you were aware of the test list. I believe a message hits the same server(s) sending to freebsd-test@freebsd.org as well as sending to any of the other lists. I could be wrong. Therefore it would lend to reason if you recieve a test message posted to freebsd-test@freebsd.org, you should be receiving from the other subscribed lists as well. ------- _|_ (_| | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 15:48:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C3116A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bastill@adam.com.au) Received: from mistral.mail.adnap.net.au (mistral.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF9913C4B0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bastill@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-227-249.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.227.249] helo=dapper2.local) by mistral.mail.adnap.net.au with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IJ7lg-000NsP-Hv; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:39:36 +0930 From: Brian Astill To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:34:52 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> Cc: robertjx@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bastill@adam.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:48:48 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:02:55 pm Bob Middaugh wrote: > > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but > > I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful > > argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. Simple, Use a live CD. RoFreesbie, Knoppix, Ubuntu, and several others no doubt, will give you the chance to have a good look and explore without installing. Up to you to decide, then. -- Regards, Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 16:11:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19FC16A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD8913C442 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karol.kwiat@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so153729nfb for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=CUhUy1h9Q7cCPskMNpzQ/6w8E5P9l3nWoDWp2i+q7cZxOrFF+pSUteXm3fq167SjdIHDxISRVUAE8lxVTwTSKexEA+YiwPoUajRoE/OVCshjU13zMD3Xedv/KChErrfe5Z8wN/kwQySsWhyupr54iltAhIkCnRO2CKlCOLx3WpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=nYGsETkvUd8tTXTu1T3FLot5MFV1S3q/wwYRwekebg2JhrhENr4/+z3DohDPlX1tkZ78giwSQ+H014+RgnKg4CU9GOz7je66YS/MHnUtRQPn3C76wmhN3ShRcFT9IDmlcDK23o87Cx3QdhTdvcJXkoKxhoZG5Zq1GQCtJb72PO0= Received: by 10.86.77.5 with SMTP id z5mr1590668fga.1186675913290; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persephone.orchid.homeunix.org ( [84.10.173.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm3694582fks.2007.08.09.09.11.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BB3CC6.30105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:11:50 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46B98737.4000208@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46B98737.4000208@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig95B73BEC4318DFCBF26E08C2" Subject: [solved] Re: How do I change atime/noatime on mounted filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: karol.kwiat@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:11:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig95B73BEC4318DFCBF26E08C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > this is probably a silly question but... how do I change mount options > to get atime back (after setting 'noatime') on mounted filesystem? >=20 > I can't see option 'atime' in mount(8) but there's no 'suid' either. > Here's what I'm trying to do: >=20 > # mount | grep home > /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, nosuid, soft-updates) > # mount -u -o atime /home > # mount | grep home > /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) FYI, this is 7.0-CURRENT related [1]. Workaround is to use 'nonoatime' until the patch is applied. Karol [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-August/076036.htm= l --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP 0x06E09309 --------------enig95B73BEC4318DFCBF26E08C2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRrs8xghgT0HIecD5AQirVgf/cu4a/mV3BNLM3Teb0swIvbYVONCq+6zz wfk2HuwHoviqZDLF0Wa3MhsfgDiSvhzwidSvWIEONQG1UdeiZCA7qCY/t+TNlRcp gIEqfN5LC1eQanXf4V4IGcbP7xFSOucsjVIA6dbdtQKEODNf2n5RqtfUz5uP6stz pfGw2o+FUDTKfOoEuGZfgTb1VUx7T30Zo7MHfK2dUs2ED28kZFBUddrt74RtiVSo Tag//cvU+Pw/wGiL+vTbo18VfSIYm7jahYFGY0KB9bsuvkgXzVeWn2JVNqgYfZZv bNe1uKtxxyEosAhKNkzQNZBWMcergECiQfspLojgg85gFEsAnj94Dw== =eXGD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig95B73BEC4318DFCBF26E08C2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 16:51:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5287316A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from viefep34-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981F213C45E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [89.98.221.195]) by viefep34-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070809165116.YXMD8078.viefep34-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.100]>; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:51:16 +0200 From: Bram Schoenmakers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:51:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091704.31952.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> X-Face: &[!|}QvdlkzFIu, |mW.\-Ci1t2d@CEo+#Q14@XM9*@`S, @l*5r-m!\, , kFc:ZlD62]6/>=?utf-8?q?=5B=0A=09Ovg=3BN=5Bqk=3B=60w6=3D5abys2!H+EUYcEDJ?==?utf-8?q?=25lo=26d67gO=2E!/=0A=09w?=@YD{YH]Ebe{@|(qtKgoum%{-=qXlf.+/`^E<'!m"?5d<&C(:B+p*KjP'-Knv!6U<=?utf-8?q?1W!=7EZ=0A=09P3ee-=7BfAb-i+MsJHM?=@ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Cc: Alex Zbyslaw , Nikos Vassiliadis Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:51:19 -0000 Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef Alex Zbyslaw: Hello, > Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > ># /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh > >backup@office.example.com \ > > dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 > > bzip2 is darned slow and not always much better than gzip -9. It might > be that ssh is just timing out in some way (I've seen that but not with > ethernet dumps specifically). Can you try the test using gzip -9 > instead of bzip? If that works, then look for ssh options that affect > timeouts, keepalives etc. In particular, ServerAliveInterval 60 in a > .ssh/config stopped xterm windows dying on me to certain hosts. YMMV :-( > > If you have the disk space then you could try without any compression at > all; or try doing the compression remotely: > > /sbin/dump -0 -a -C 64 -L -h 0 -f - / | \ > /usr/local/bin/ssh backup@office.example.com > \ > "gzip -9 > /backup/webserver/root.0.gz" > > Otherwise: > > Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > >1) Can you dump the file locally? > > > >2) Is scp working? > > If you can write (and compress if short of disk space) the dump locally and > try an scp to your remote host as Nikos is suggesting, that will narrow > down the problem a bit. Any other large file will do: doesn't have to be a > dump. As I wrote in my initial mail: ====== * Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable download speed. Read from remote host office.example.com: Connection reset by peer debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 77 bytes in 103.3 seconds debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.7 debug1: Exit status -1 lost connection ====== That was just a file generated with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=zeroes bs=1024k count=200' . So no, SCP doesn't work. I haven't tried gzip -9 yet, although it looks like a workaround than a solution to the real problem. Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers You can contact me directly on Jabber with bram@kde.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 16:52:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAA516A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (smtpclu-7.eunet.yu [194.247.192.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9158613C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79FlRsf004474; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:47:28 +0200 Message-Id: <200708091547.l79FlRsf004474@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:47:41 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: mark@msen.com In-Reply-To: <200708091022.52692.mark@msen.com> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708091022.52692.mark@msen.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.0 Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:52:44 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:22:51 -0400 Mark Moellering wrote: > Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. > (how well it runs is up for debate) > FreeBSD is also pretty good at running on just about any hardware, > however, you may need to do some file manipulation to get your video > display soundcard or some other peripherals to work. I deeply disagree here. Any comparison between FreeBSD and window$ in that field is bogus. What an "excellent job" is windows$ doing? Virtually all hardware is designed having them in mind but in some cases ignoring users of open source systems. Moreover, m$ obviously has a policy of convincing people that hardware exists only to be a platform for window$ and many users really think so. If you buy the simplest piece of hardware such as keyboard, it will come with "Running/Works with Windows Vista" inscription. This is a deception: it hides the fact that there is nothing special with the simple keyboard. What does this stupid message mean? Nothing, but it reveals a flawed and very harmful approach (for example that your laptop is "Designed for Windows XP"). So where is there an excellent job? > Depending on what hardware you are running, FreeBSd may load and have > you up and running with a windows like desktop with a minimum of > fuss. If you need to edit and recompile your kernel or hand edit > your X windows configuration file , it will become a nightmare. =20 Could you please expand on this? There is no connection between "nightmare" and things where everything is clear and open. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 16:54:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867EB16A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4BB13C4B4 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79Gsbne071701; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:54:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79GsbN2071698; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:54:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:54:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: David Kelly In-Reply-To: <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:54:46 -0000 > I don't know that such a claim is ever made from within FreeBSD. FreeBSD > is Unix, for and by those who know and love Unix. Linux is the one that's wwhy i switched from linux to NetBSD then FreeBSD few years ago. > wanting to be a better Windows than Windows. > and getting worse windows actually ;) > For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 16:57:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E599116A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CE613C4A8 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79GvQxR071726; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:57:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79GvQ0v071723; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:57:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:57:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mark Moellering In-Reply-To: <200708091022.52692.mark@msen.com> Message-ID: <20070809185555.S71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708091022.52692.mark@msen.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:57:32 -0000 > Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. (how well it > runs is up for debate) because hardware manufacturers make drivers. only because of that. very little drivers was coded by microsoft by itself, contrary to FreeBSD which has LOTS of drivers included. > and running with a windows like desktop with a minimum of fuss. If you need > to edit and recompile your kernel or hand edit your X windows configuration > file , it will become a nightmare. unless you read the docs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:04:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E1316A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595AC13C4B5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79Gtntg080477; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:55:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l79GtnAZ080476; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:55:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:55:49 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20070809165549.GA80385@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809105944.f35ef8fa.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809105944.f35ef8fa.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jean-Pierre Trophardy , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:04:26 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:59:44AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy : > > > Duane Hill wrote: > > > > > > freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > > > to it and use it for test message sending. > > > > > > > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > The reason for the complaint (and the reason the freebsd-test list exists) > is that you just "inconvenienced" thousands of people who subscribe to > this list. The thing I find interesting is that when someone sends one of those so-called test messages, we get 19 people posting messages telling them how much they are inconveniencing so many people with the test message and rarely a single message telling the other posters how much their complaints about the test messages unconvenience people. > > As usual, this resulted in a discussion that is further inconveniencing > people ... ^^^^^^ Single exception... ////jerry > > The point behind that freebsd-test list is that it is configured in exactly > the same manner as other FreeBSD mailing lists. If you can subscribe and > post to freebsd-test, then you will be able to use the exact same procedure > to subscribe and post to any other FreeBSD mailing list. So there is no > reason to ever send test messages to anything other than freebsd-test. > > I'm not saying this to berate you, Jean-Pierre. My purpose is to clarify > this for anyone who may be reading, or may in the future read the mail > archives for this list. Understanding the system allows people to use it > effectively. > > -- > Bill Moran > http://www.potentialtech.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:05:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C767616A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FB513C46B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79H4p8h071795; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:04:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79H4ooV071792; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:04:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:04:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Nikola Lecic In-Reply-To: <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> Message-ID: <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:05:09 -0000 > desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ > -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system". i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. i need a productive system, no "graphical user interfaces" etc, that let me actually concentrate of what i have to do! Most of You needs the same, but after years of aggressive marketing/brainwashing think that "graphical user interfaces", "desktop environments" etc. are important. The most stupid but popular claim is that complexity is good. this make people work many TIMES slower, both 100% window$ users and 95-99% unix users. all of this is needed to convince people that every 1-2 year they need new "modern" computer and the old is worth nothing. and people believe in it. their problem, not mine :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:06:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB14916A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A1A13C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79H67HW071836; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:06:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79H66DN071833; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:06:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:06:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Brian Astill In-Reply-To: <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> Message-ID: <20070809190505.F71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: robertjx@ix.netcom.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:06:50 -0000 >>> argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. > > Simple, Use a live CD. RoFreesbie, Knoppix, Ubuntu, and several knoppix DVD is very nice. it's actually useful with not very modern (damn cheap) computer without hard disk+pendrive or with very small hard disk. excellent for desktop use, software upgrades are as simple as writing new DVD :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:07:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD5216A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C345213C46A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79H76W1071847; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:07:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l79H76RX071844; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:07:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:07:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Nikola Lecic In-Reply-To: <200708091547.l79FlRsf004474@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Message-ID: <20070809190616.N71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708091022.52692.mark@msen.com> <200708091547.l79FlRsf004474@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: mark@msen.com, Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:43 -0000 > > I deeply disagree here. Any comparison between FreeBSD and window$ in > that field is bogus. What an "excellent job" is windows$ doing? washes hundreds millions of brains, to produce constant wide enough stream of cash to microsoft From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F416A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCC213C48E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (cpe-76-185-127-26.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.127.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373DB654F2; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:09:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:09:22 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Latitude , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <99AEF7CC0DB4D26C9D523E95@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========218EB094DE42650B3950==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:09:24 -0000 --==========218EB094DE42650B3950========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On August 8, 2007 11:22:26 PM -0500 Latitude =20 wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > I didn't see anyone who simply answered your questions, so here's my=20 attempt to do so. You're not going to get an "overwhelming argument" from FreeBSDers because = that's not how we work. If you want to try it out, be our guest. If you=20 find it frustrating and give up, none of us are going to be heartbroken by = your failure. If you're patient, and you ask enough questions, someone=20 here can solve every problem you run in to. > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? No. In fact, if you don't read the documentation first (and Windows users = seldom do), you will probably never get a desktop windowing environment.=20 You must configure your desktop environment before it will work. You must = also configure it so it starts up by default. > Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? Depending upon which window manager you choose, you may not have a=20 browser. Depending upon what sort of internet connection you have, you=20 may never get connected. *Especially* if you don't first read the=20 documentation carefully and print it out so you have it handy during the=20 install phase. > How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > You can mount almost any filesystem on the planet, so moving files to=20 FreeBSD is a snap. But you'd better read the documentation first, or=20 you'll never figure it out. > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. No, we don't. The idea behind FreeBSD is that you are the owner and=20 operator. That means you make all the decisions and you must understand=20 how to implement them. > I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > Not everything that's available on Windows *has* an alternative on=20 FreeBSD. Do you homework. Read the documentation. Don't expect others=20 to spoon-feed you because it's not going to happen. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========218EB094DE42650B3950==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:12:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025EF16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B101E13C49D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so246245nzf for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Mq3Gfi47NFmsBP7vbN790tla6tjfjIKwDB5iLgR5/9Cg70iJHcVyFcdR+cDLD1SPPw6uLrKvH/Co3dqvfPaULq1nJpxTCYqqVb7CFrYfL//FIcLKGflQw79FFgwHrv8opCHdLaWNV9yB2hm/eSefcw4qsyL26fcgHbnXTeJJXJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=APp40LuiYYQMH8DPUgKrNb3bVYpfXsOA5Tlhpl7bkzXY0WBKW25SWhRlOSJRjcu5UEMOhHv80q/fWKE16RTCKm4PBLaG22cWN3G7iWDFCDXGDNni/8gZsBFfFW0vGeGp0rPlfXv+iD3iNh1GNehqW5Z+sYJ8Z4WTojmfdNjp4Ps= Received: by 10.100.142.12 with SMTP id p12mr2246703and.1186677945199; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.155.17 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6201873e0708090945m4f9be012t3d95d893a20f8e3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:45:45 -0500 From: "Adam Vande More" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:12:04 -0000 It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends and family with systems that function more like they're used while maintaining all FreeBSD funtionality including the ports tree, blessed be the FreeBSD maintainers. However, it's important to have realistic expections. Things aren't the same, and the learning curve usually takes awhile. -- Adam Vande More Systems Administrator Mobility Sales From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:15:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F2516A468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CF713C48E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so128286anc for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DrRLxOPGKgZcZUroODv3kI2Kb5GRlFcGYecIzh0QoaVCcBAd5DeStLtLDku+NF8/9CWUmPT2h4mNV7dWJLr8jQGB0X3HM2Zuk8z+9pguBg1HsfmzwGnXXnVDwG7L/5S3x6cZvw7FX9GfODtzyggnPXpWMB8wX7FEBJGkzPEcUNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZTbCLzeaFUci/YyDBijV8sNzoBKCtF25DCy3ACWzN4kulGcew/k4HVUSwbITe/AU4IQUP/elR+LAywxTOzwiSzos9r74KiEWF6i4PJ8rpm4LW5Dl+un/Uy3lEcjblAKDRB1qsB6q2/m1s0IEsh0/OVzg4fnqT4NpCLNwBheIRvI= Received: by 10.100.3.20 with SMTP id 20mr2378777anc.1186679711627; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.9.14 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <499c70c0708091015x738bb60sa80de64cc9969447@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:15:11 +0300 From: "Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri" To: Latitude In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:15:12 -0000 On 8/9/07, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. > > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other > operating systems? > > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. > > Help me (and yourselves) out. > > -- > "In a time of universal deceit, > telling the truth is a revolutionary act." > -George Orwell Hello, Start with DesktopBSD 1.6 since it's closer to FreeBSD than PC-BSD if you need to learn FreeBSD more. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:15:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE6A16A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876E013C4A5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (isa01.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.131]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A43A07ED; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:15:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:15:08 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Nikola Lecic , Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:15:13 -0000 Written by Wojciech Puchar on 08/09/07 12:04>> >> desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ >> -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system". > > i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and > graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, there are > plenty of nice other wm's good for that. > > i need a productive system, no "graphical user interfaces" etc, that let > me actually concentrate of what i have to do! > > Most of You needs the same, but after years of aggressive > marketing/brainwashing think that "graphical user interfaces", "desktop > environments" etc. are important. > The most stupid but popular claim is that complexity is good. > > this make people work many TIMES slower, both 100% window$ users and > 95-99% unix users. > > all of this is needed to convince people that every 1-2 year they need > new "modern" computer and the old is worth nothing. and people believe > in it. > > their problem, not mine :) My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome to be better or faster. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C1316A476 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wittig.robert@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA61813C48D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wittig.robert@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 81915 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 16:49:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M1+PMjLL+YZENLPnr+aM6LaCPgKnExqXDxvqeWIsFljoGbbX0kenwG2qYBCZFsglpDeGvoe4qRpHeYwWL9L3hUhvpUzz6V8bITtoq54TTjn0RnwSPrEDLfoSJiG9StDwtnYcuBGEgXTz0nTDoUbGYpoLd2YfUXyXcZt/5pb/k0U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (wittig.robert@sbcglobal.net@70.142.248.62 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 16:49:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GW_FW7sVM1nK.A4vtMYORNeGBc32KlXvt4OLT3VOxTh6_lEdTQBz6XEIPkI1cD9VRicQ4E.p9GY3ngz3siLmHSgo6O.QmduSxtvWmVvacaCzLBcQd40ZX5I2v8yl8ur8wfSNpCrBNqhcCvc- Message-ID: <46BB458E.30408@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:49:18 -0500 From: Robert C Wittig User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:15:58 -0000 Brian Astill wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:02:55 pm Bob Middaugh wrote: >>> I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but >>> I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful >>> argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. > The switch will not be particularly easy. You will have to learn UNIX. I started running Linux back in Spring, 2000, while I continued running Windows. In about 2003 I started learning FreeBSD because my web host was using that OS. Now, I am hosting my own web/mail server with OpenBSD, and have FreeBSD on a Desktop machine. I still do maintain a Windows 2000 machine for my graphics workstation, and to run my vintage DOS apps. Over the past seven years, I have become considerably less ignorant about computer, operating systems, networks, etc. This is, in my opinion, a very, very, very good thing... but easy??? Nope. -- -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ http://robertwittig.net/ http://robertwittig.org/ . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:17:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C1C16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from eunet.yu (smtpclu-1.eunet.yu [194.247.192.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB0913C4A6 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by eunet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79HHW8R003140; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:17:32 +0200 Message-Id: <200708091717.l79HHW8R003140@eunet.yu> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:12:36 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_05,TW_FV,TW_VW,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: -1.0 Cc: Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:17:38 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ > > -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system". >=20 > i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text > and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, > there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. Sorry, I agree with you, s/GUI/graphic based/ in my post. I've just wanted to be clear that X.org and X-apps are not the part of FreeBSD. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:30:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C0216A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B7513C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 20215 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2007 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp6.knology.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 17:30:32 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 21BA328425; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:30:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:30:32 -0500 From: David Kelly To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:30:33 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > > a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:31:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65C016A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (smtpclu-7.eunet.yu [194.247.192.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4346013C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79GQWtT031477; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:26:33 +0200 Message-Id: <200708091626.l79GQWtT031477@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:26:46 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50,SARE_MILLIONSOF,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.3 X-AVAS-Spam-Level: x Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:31:50 -0000 On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:15:08 -0500 Reid Linnemann wrote: > My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She > saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know > why i was using such an "old" computer. [...] Granted, it could be > only because she's ten. The important part is that she asked you why you used a "computer" because, like millions of users, she don't make difference between computer and window$ (i.e. OS). People will rarely explicitly state that, of course, but when I speak to some people, I see that they sincerely assume that. That reminds me of a typical brainwashing sencence from window$: when you want to press the reboot icon, the text over your mouse will tell something like "Shut down and start Windows again"; the sencence contains an explicit equalisation of machine and window$. So I'd say this has nothing to do with one's age. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:33:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5489116A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D9F13C46B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (isa01.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.131]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796BAA0865; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:33:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:33:20 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:33:23 -0000 Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. >> a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... > > Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without > hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, > for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... > Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but since when are 3rd party services standard utilities? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:56:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57C16A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D7313C480 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 8975 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2007 17:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 17:56:14 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 972E528425; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:56:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:56:14 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Reid Linnemann Message-ID: <20070809175614.GA12755@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:56:16 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> > >On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > >>a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... > > > >Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without > >hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, > >for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... > > Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but since > when are 3rd party services standard utilities? What "standard utility" in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of BSD? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. 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(meevans@swbell.net@70.130.154.142 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 16:55:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CkVO6ekVM1ndn5yCgCytTRDgH6mNYiwiOphKaDv.ZPyBJ08averjeUr27ATR73VwOeDvLEdx1A-- From: meevans@swbell.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:55:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46BB00AE.20985.4305FA33@meevans.swbell.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:11:27 +0000 Subject: Re: upgrading FBSD6-1-R==>6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:22:01 -0000 > > I'm one of subscribers of FreeBSD mailing lists and I saw your announce at > one of these lists about your online book. You have made a magnific work and > despite of being a linux user for nearly ten years I decided to use FBSD > too. The system is well documented and I've learned to love it. Thanks to > your book it was possible to upgrade my system without problems. The > question is that I own a usb canon printer Ip1600 and I need it to work. I > was told I would have to upgrade my system in order to use linux fc4. but I > didn't find linux fc4 in emulators directory. Tell me some info. If you elected linux compatibility when you installed, I believe it defaulted to fc4. (Someone please correct me, but I concluded that fc4 stood for fedora core 4.) If you didn't install linux compatibility, you can do so via the ports - ~/ports/emulators/linux_base-fc4. Then, enable linux in your rc.conf file. marye From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 18:15:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538DF16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF77413C481 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-95403.home.otenet.gr [87.203.125.249]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l79IFpIw013579; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:15:52 +0300 Message-ID: <46BB59D7.7060605@otenet.gr> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:15:51 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alain G. Fabry" References: <20070809065005.GA15380@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20070809065005.GA15380@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:15:56 -0000 Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Hello, > > Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported on FreeBSD6.2? > > If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to work. > > Many thanks, > > Alain > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I've seen Nikos answered you already, but the fact is you don't have to move to STABLE to get the hda driver to work. It will work on 6.2-RELEASE if you so wish. Download the precompiled kernel module from here: http://people.freebsd.org/~ariff/lowlatency/ Decompress the archive, copy sound.ko and snd_hda.ko to /boot/kernel (you may as well copy all the .ko files, but these two are the ones needed) then do (as root) a kldload snd_hda ( and add snd_hda_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf so it loads with each reboot). Running this driver on my laptop with no problems for quite some time now. 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You may also change your subscription by visiting this list's main screen: If you're still having trouble, please contact the list owner at: The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: tbc - From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 18:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E194816A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F17813C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from trapper.homedns.org (213.114.40.248) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 46A848D600489582; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:20:15 +0200 Received: from trapper.homedns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trapper.homedns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l79IKDn0001280; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:20:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Message-ID: <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:20:13 +0200 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:29:44 +0000 Cc: Nikola Lecic , Wojciech Puchar , Latitude , Reid Linnemann , Bill Moran Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:20:41 -0000 Reid Linnemann wrote: > My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw > my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i > was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user > interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. > Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot > of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome > to be better or faster. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice "user-friendly" GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. In 1999 I purchased "The complete FreeBSD, 3rd edition" with CDs included, and this my second try was a lot more sucessful. I was still after a fancy GUI, but this time I got things working. Not without effort though. Over the years since I first tried FreeBSD, my ideas about ease of use have changed quite a lot. I no longer define user-friendliness based on what I can do in the GUI; actually, I'm often annoyed by all the menus, submenus and all the whistles and bells. It's really a lot easier to edit a text file to change some setting, than browsing through heaps of buttons, drop-down lists and all that. Where most Windoze users find Windoze user-friendly, I find it user-hostile, because it hides the simplest things under tons of graphics. For some applications, like image manipulation, a good GUI is a must (at least that's my point of view), but good doesn't mean complex. And a GUI is certainly not needed for running a computer. My friend, whom I mentioned above, says my computer looks like a green screen from 1970's movies. I once tried to guide him over the phone through downloading a file using Windoze's built-in cli FTP client. He didn't even know that such a procedure was possible; he had the idea, that downloading a file required a graphical progress bar. After the file was downloaded (a GUI FTP client), he said it was the most horrible thing he'd ever done, and had comments about this being the 21st century. So, I doubt your niece's comment was just about her being a child. -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 18:34:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDB916A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE2413C442 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (isa01.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.131]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4B1A07C7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:34:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46BB5E47.4060201@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:34:47 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> <20070809175614.GA12755@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <20070809175614.GA12755@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Reid Linnemann , FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:34:50 -0000 Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:56>> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: >> Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> >>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>>> For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. >>>> a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... >>> Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without >>> hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, >>> for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... >> Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but since >> when are 3rd party services standard utilities? > > What "standard utility" in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of > BSD? > I'm not talking about origins, I'm talking about maintainers. The software you've listed are maintained by third parties not affiliated with either operating system, so I don't see how you can consider them "standard utilities". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 18:44:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9B016A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (wintermute.cepheid.org [64.92.165.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8B213C467 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 71BDA17116; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:44:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:44:11 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Rolf G Nielsen Message-ID: <20070809184411.GA47552@idoru.cepheid.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erik Osterholm , Rolf G Nielsen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:44:16 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:20:13PM +0200, Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > >My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw > >my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i > >was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user > >interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. > >Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot > >of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome > >to be better or faster. > > I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine > (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can > complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any > longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything > running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice > "user-friendly" GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. > Where most Windoze users find Windoze user-friendly, I find it > user-hostile, because it hides the simplest things under tons of graphics. > > For some applications, like image manipulation, a good GUI is a must (at > least that's my point of view), but good doesn't mean complex. And a GUI > is certainly not needed for running a computer. > > My friend, whom I mentioned above, says my computer looks like a green > screen from 1970's movies. I once tried to guide him over the phone > through downloading a file using Windoze's built-in cli FTP client. He > didn't even know that such a procedure was possible; he had the idea, > that downloading a file required a graphical progress bar. After the > file was downloaded (a GUI FTP client), he said it was the most horrible > thing he'd ever done, and had comments about this being the 21st > century. So, I doubt your niece's comment was just about her being a child. > > -- > Sincerly, > Rolf Nielsen User-friendliness is obviously subjective. Some people consider a system to be user-friendly if it doesn't require reading documentation to start using it. Some people consider a system to be user-friendly if there is a simply, efficient interface. It's rare to find software where both of these are true. In business, you simply can't forget the learning curve. Learning how to efficiently use Unix may not be the best use of epmployee time, since most of them know how to use Windows already. This is especially true with high-turnover rates--how much time do you want to spend training someone who will just jump ship for a better paying job in 2 years? Personally, I'm with you. I'm much more efficient on the command-line, but that's only because I've spent a not-insignificant portion of my life using it. I saw the benefits long ago, and even though there was a learning curve (imagine having to actually read documentation rather than going in blindly and clicking!), I feel that it was worth it. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 19:24:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE1E16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C29913C459 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from Macintosh-2.local (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l79JOcCg057156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <46BB69EF.9070400@enabled.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:24:31 -0700 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:24:40 -0000 running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports "Invalid credentials" in /var/log/messages We have another server called access2 that authenticates to the the ldap server running on access1. those users log in via ssh without issue on access2. I am trying to track down what is broken. I am not even sure how to receive verbose logging from PAM and/or PAM_ldap. Any assistance is much appreciated. Aug 9 10:17:42 access1 sshd[91878]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "cn=Test User,cn=people,dc=blah,dc=blah,dc=com" (Invalid credentials) related rc.conf lines on access1: slapd_enable="YES" slapd_flags='-h "ldapi:///var/run/openldap/ldapi/ ldap://0.0.0.0/" -f /usr/local/etc/openldap/slapd.conf' slapd_sockets="/var/run/openldap/ldapi" sshd_enable="YES" sshd_program="/usr/local/sbin/sshd" access1# cat /etc/pam.d/ldap # debug # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/sshd,v 1.15 2003/04/30 21:57:54 markm Exp $ debug # debug # PAM configuration for the "sshd" service debug # debug # auth debug auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn try_first_pass debug auth required pam_nologin.so no_warn debug auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts debug auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local debug #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass debug #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass debug auth required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass debug # account debug #account required pam_krb5.so debug account required pam_login_access.so debug account required pam_unix.so debug # session debug #session optional pam_ssh.so debug session required /usr/local/lib/pam_mkhomedir.so #session required /usr/local/lib/pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0077 debug session required pam_permit.so debug # password debug #password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass debug password required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass debug access1 [noah@access1 ~]$ pkg_info | grep pam checkpassword-pam-0.99 Implementation of checkpassword authentication program nagios-spamd-plugin-1.4 Nagios plugin for checking SpamAssassins spamd p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.2.1_1 A highly efficient mail filter for identifying spam pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP pam_mkhomedir-0.1 Create HOME with a PAM module on demand pamtester-0.1.2 A command line pam authentication tester razor-agents-2.84 A distributed, collaborative, spam detection and filtering [noah@access1 ~]$ pkg_info | grep ldap ldapsh-2.00_2,1 Interactive shell used to administer ldap directories nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openldap-client-2.3.37 Open source LDAP client implementation openldap-server-2.3.37 Open source LDAP server implementation p5-perl-ldap-0.34 A Client interface to LDAP servers pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP php5-ldap-5.2.3_1 The ldap shared extension for php [noah@access1 ~]$ pkg_info | grep nss nss-3.11.7 Libraries to support development of security-enabled applic nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openssh-portable-4.6.p1,1 The portable version of OpenBSD's OpenSSH openssl-0.9.8e_1 SSL and crypto library php5-openssl-5.2.3_1 The openssl shared extension for php py25-openssl-0.6 Python interface to the OpenSSL library [noah@access1 ~]$ access2 files [noah@access2 ~]$ pkg_info | grep pam pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP pam_mkhomedir-0.1 Create HOME with a PAM module on demand pamtester-0.1.2 A command line pam authentication tester [noah@access2 ~]$ pkg_info | grep ldap nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openldap-client-2.3.37 Open source LDAP client implementation openldap-server-2.3.37 Open source LDAP server implementation pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP [noah@access2 ~]$ pkg_info | grep nss nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openssh-portable-4.6.p1,1 The portable version of OpenBSD's OpenSSH [noah@access2 ~]$ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 19:49:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E208916A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmiranda@123.com.sv) Received: from asgard1.americatelsal.com (asgard.americatelsal.com [200.13.161.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE0613C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmiranda@123.com.sv) Received: (qmail 42113 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 19:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.124?) (200.13.161.68) by asgard1.americatelsal.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 19:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:57:46 -0600 From: Miguel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: reconfigure a port after install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:49:14 -0000 Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? Im using portinstall btw, thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 19:54:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC2916A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aharrison@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8408513C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aharrison@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so693823waf for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R6eWjpjf0L28YgOclvtFSxKCVuCUH387wixCN89ln3x/fHOjlFfCJBBU03jzbF8UHINQdoTi/XFGingz0QsJR5tnFNMWsvyycai79do8p5XMpmqgCpvu4QmyYhk70TO8Uz2Xe8r9SUC7dYikbMi2ZKwpGYIdpJeU2Rk6Lh8cQWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GDe57aTB83/atmgxJ8N+Khe+at0Qk3b6yuoF4J3NLhJHJar442t6RQMEid1SG1pJ1U+6oUu9s5LIhMVf5pOJKppUnQ2xjmxARRHUVJvE90Dm0F7FDg+JZa5G4IYQQuySFqjedNXnlnreDdH7tleW2F8uN1CB8xUHSFlFNKsJjfM= Received: by 10.114.132.5 with SMTP id f5mr852113wad.1186689275187; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.109.17 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:54:35 -0400 From: "Andy Harrison" To: "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <46BB69EF.9070400@enabled.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BB69EF.9070400@enabled.com> Subject: Re: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:54:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/9/07, Noah wrote: > running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable > > we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 > appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method > uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports "Invalid credentials" in /var/log/messages > > We have another server called access2 that authenticates to the the ldap > server running on access1. those users log in via ssh without issue on > access2. > > I am trying to track down what is broken. I am not even sure how to > receive verbose logging from PAM and/or PAM_ldap. Any assistance is > much appreciated. > > What about your nsswitch.conf file? - -- Andy Harrison public key: 0x67518262 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFGu3FBNTm8fWdRgmIRAoAQAJ4ocG7HEisT2k82NeoRzf1r0XKVawCg+Hrf l+t2S41Im4TNPEoE8HF3jDc= =aI1r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:07:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F75E16A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjudd2k@yahoo.com) Received: from web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C00713C46A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjudd2k@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35997 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2007 20:07:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HIfmX43AAf6wFi/bnJ8bkXVOrGrMOE7WPMgFm2Creqjsbcjkps89aQT91AjqdqYiOKlEotQObukozbLHagzLQMi66pX2k/3F7zm3i7RNOAJ8+EkBs0WFzfaL622NUSM/g5i0CzY1+pGRT/iYfeGxdT3ipiRDPCovW5dhenYaw3s=; X-YMail-OSG: xGN67zwVM1mWq6Ezw2TVW1O8Z9oJt4wuK1L6sVEfwS0X3np9ooNJeoUBuUYsK0b.qNWmiSLd4wKI3BRDVhQVRbN16jVqDMWj8epH9GMs1Lk30P8p.dB6wPSNL18fbw-- Received: from [68.35.175.118] by web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:07:37 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Judd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <190470.35849.qm@web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: py2[45]-dbus package oddity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:07:38 -0000 I'm not sure where this message is better directed, to either the port maintainer or the questions list. The answer is probably the ports list.. [Crossposted] There are two packages that are indicated as installed, py24-dbus and py25-dbus. Both of these look like identical packages, same version information and everything. Is it necessary to have both packages listed as installed? Can't I remove one or the other? py24-dbus is a dependant package on two others I have installed, but py25-dbus isn't. Can I, Should I remove py25-dbus, or would that remove py24-dbus as well? Thanks for any tips or pointers. Tim. If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door. "I can" is a way of life. More and Bigger is not always Better. The road to success is always uphill. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:15:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D863C16A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smurphy@calarts.edu) Received: from echo.calarts.edu (echo.calarts.edu [198.182.157.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956013C4A8 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smurphy@calarts.edu) Received: from echo.calarts.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 8C157101E409 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:02:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from muse2.calarts.edu (muse2.calarts.edu [198.182.157.28]) by echo.calarts.edu (Email Security Appliance) with ESMTP id 6BE371018E1C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:02:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from canslice.calarts.edu (canslice.calarts.edu [198.182.157.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by muse2.calarts.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l79KFCTd061423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smurphy@calarts.edu) Message-ID: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:15:12 -0700 From: Sean Murphy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 198.182.157.28 Subject: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:15:13 -0000 How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean & it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:23:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABE916A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D10F13C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [172.18.0.137] (isa01.tulsatech.org [70.168.226.131]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47460A0637; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46BB77C2.2020809@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:23:30 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Murphy References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> In-Reply-To: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:23:33 -0000 Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > make install clean & > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > What am I doing wrong? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are using bash, you could "make install clean &> /dev/null &" to have the process operate in the background and direct all output the the bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:25:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C2716A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from omr10.networksolutionsemail.com (omr10.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4041413C481 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr10.mgt.hosting.dc2.netsol.com [10.49.6.73]) by omr10.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l79KPIV0005035 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:25:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 20444 invoked by uid 78); 9 Aug 2007 20:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail30) (205.178.146.50) by 10.49.36.73 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 20:25:17 -0000 Received: from 209.254.236.34 (idmc_vivr@intgdev.com [209.254.236.34]) by webmail30 (Netsol 11.2.30) with WEBMAIL id 21514; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:25:17 +0000 From: "V.I.Victor" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Network Solutions Webmail, Build 11.2.30 X-Originating-IP: [209.254.236.34] X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:25:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Utility to change a byte in a binary file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:25:20 -0000 It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. Is there a command-line utility to write a byte at a specified offset into a file? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:27:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3216216A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-5.eunet.yu (smtpclu-5.eunet.yu [194.247.192.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5B413C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-5.eunet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79KQbD4022971; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:26:38 +0200 Message-Id: <200708092026.l79KQbD4022971@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:21:43 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: Miguel In-Reply-To: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> References: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_20,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: -0.7 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reconfigure a port after install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:27:20 -0000 On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:57:46 -0600 Miguel wrote: > Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now > i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql > support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on > it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? > Im using portinstall btw, > thanks Hello, First change sasl options, then forcefully recompile it with depending ports. Asuming you've chosen SASL2 option for Postfix: # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 # make config [choose MYSQL option] # portupgrade -f -r cyrus-sasl2 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:28:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2350416A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D668513C45A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from elgert.dk (0x573c4c16.nivaanqu1.broadband.tele.dk [87.60.76.22]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CB82A50035 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:28:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elgert.dk (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:28:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:28:49 +0200 From: Harry Jensen To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070809202849.GA915@mugin.localhost> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: reconfigure a port after install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:28:51 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:57:46PM -0600, Miguel wrote: > Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i > want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, > i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do > i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? > Im using portinstall btw, I don't know portinstall, but you can go into the directory /usr/ports/mail/postfix and simply "make configure". I had same question one week ago, for another port, but anyway, it just worked. By the way, I'm using portmanager, and some times just "make install". Brgds Harry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:31:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD2F16A41B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D61913C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71491EBC81; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:31:01 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Reid Linnemann Message-Id: <20070809163101.c8623754.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <46BB77C2.2020809@cs.okstate.edu> References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> <46BB77C2.2020809@cs.okstate.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Sean Murphy , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:31:03 -0000 In response to Reid Linnemann : > Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > > make install clean & > > > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and > stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are > using bash, you could "make install clean &> /dev/null &" to have the > process operate in the background and direct all output the the > bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. That's only going to help so much. Most ports are going to generate compiler warnings that go to stderr, which will still spam your screen. First off, I recommend directing to a file instead of /dev/null. That way if it fails, you have the output to review. Secondly, redirect both standard out and standard error. In bourne shells: make install clean >~/buildlog.txt 2>&1 & -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:32:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ADC16A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hintonda@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D2313C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hintonda@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so381486wxd for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:date:to:subject:x-mailer; b=gRB1B31j5Xj+02b1WddcCWd1Jl7qX+zVa1lhvziop6Y2PhBPyF0OkwS08QUFSsg3MvGXr9sqcc+on2CxJ2VQkWvOtz1EgroXWwlbGqq7ImecpigrpfulxVGuDjj48XuOuioDVaII3BoZFGai56x99p/8m26Nc/WPgyghCZrXvYw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:date:to:subject:x-mailer; b=VTuf18sy3uGKlo1yeThfBkTDIJV2QUt5Qz/Xt7L2b4fr1rpqFIlH4QWg+1rXtsW1s2YH4x6Z9jlzFCL9fTIo+tE7XXYbSlx52AsztRJDqIw6UJv5IqdnS30U/n3tpeirNnDmzZlZ7Y5ujtlBk9Pj52KqmPiHaZ9CN1BN7It/rRU= Received: by 10.70.57.2 with SMTP id f2mr3942747wxa.1186689931588; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [69.245.3.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i33sm3878389wxd.2007.08.09.13.05.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hinton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18107.29558.834358.66922@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:05:10 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.1 Cc: Subject: cheap (supported) wifi card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:32:46 -0000 Hi: I recently purchased a new HP dv9500t laptop. Unfortunately, the Intel 4965AGN wireless card it came with isn't supported (yet). I tried to use ndisgen, but it caused a panic (both 6.2 and 7.0-current). Since I'd like to continue using FreeBSD as my desktop (laptop) OS, and need wireless access, I've decided to pick up a temporary PCMCIA wireless card in the meantime. Could someone recommend a good (and cheap) one that's includes a/b/g*/n and is supported, either natively or via ndis? thanks in advance... don From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:37:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D65716A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5881013C45D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from elgert.dk (0x573c4c16.nivaanqu1.broadband.tele.dk [87.60.76.22]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7161EA50006; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:37:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elgert.dk (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:37:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:37:45 +0200 From: Harry Jensen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809203745.GB915@mugin.localhost> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:37:47 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:15:12PM -0700, Sean Murphy wrote: > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > make install clean & It is in the background, but if there is output from the process, you will see it. A solution could be "make install clean >/dev/null &", but I'm sure that it not will be very wise, I dont know what happens if a config screen shows up, and next point is if you get a fault, it's gone with /dev/null. Why don't you just use another tty? Brgds Harry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5570416A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DFC13C457 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 26221 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2007 20:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp6.knology.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 20:41:04 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 5BF5828425; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:41:04 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Reid Linnemann Message-ID: <20070809204104.GB13825@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> <20070809175614.GA12755@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <46BB5E47.4060201@cs.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BB5E47.4060201@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:41:06 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:34:47PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:56>> > > > >What "standard utility" in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of > >BSD? > > I'm not talking about origins, I'm talking about maintainers. The > software you've listed are maintained by third parties not affiliated > with either operating system, so I don't see how you can consider them > "standard utilities". Go look at /usr/src/contrib/ and /usr/src/gnu/ for FreeBSD "standard" items maintained from outside and imported. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:46:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968B616A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-3.eunet.yu (smtpclu-3.eunet.yu [194.247.192.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE1E13C461 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-3.eunet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79KkhaZ011059; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:46:44 +0200 Message-Id: <200708092046.l79KkhaZ011059@smtpclu-3.eunet.yu> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:41:49 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: "V.I.Victor" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:46:54 -0000 On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:25:17 +0000 "V.I.Victor" wrote: > It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only > turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. >=20 > I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a > single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. >=20 > Is there a command-line utility to write a byte at a specified offset > into a file?=20 Hello Victor, editors/bpatch and editors/hexcurse are what you want. Both work great with large files. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:52:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FF116A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@earth.parts-unknown.org) Received: from earth.parts-unknown.org (earth.parts-unknown.org [66.93.170.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5000F13C461 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@earth.parts-unknown.org) Received: (qmail 5085 invoked by uid 501); 9 Aug 2007 20:52:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:52:32 -0700 From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809205232.GB78798@parts-unknown.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> <20070808172208.3da3d0aa@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070808172208.3da3d0aa@localhost> X-gnupg-public-key: http://www.parts-unknown.org/gnupg/export-0DD1D1E3 X-stardate: [-29]8024.29 X-moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:52:37 -0000 --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:22:08 +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:12:22 -0700 > David Benfell wrote: >=20 > > I would really like the "open link" function to work under > > gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration > > and a Google search comes up empty. >=20 > I dont use Gnome, but XFCE, and therefore Terminal instead of 'gnome-term= inal'. The open link function works once you've defined what the default br= owser is @ XFCE level (ie, within XFCE configuration ).=20 I had failed to find Terminal (as opposed to gnome-terminal) before. But, sure enough, there it is in the ports collection if you only look with a capital T. The option to specify both web browsing and e-mail preferences appears in the [Edit]/[Applications] dialog of Terminal. Thanks, very much! --=20 David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGu36QUd+dMw3R0eMRAoEbAJ9GYYfy3BLAN+M8kyWXvDNfXqoo0wCfdhx3 fD9xyuXvx5LP2wwN01uel/0= =Ohzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 20:58:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DE016A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from mail-in04.adhost.com (mail-in04.adhost.com [216.211.128.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27CD13C468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from ad-exh01.adhost.lan (unknown [216.211.143.69]) by mail-in04.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01CA19283A; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:58:51 -0700 Message-ID: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316025049AF@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Convince me, please! Thread-Index: AcfaPw6wnTd5xjmmSFGpld4sWuOluQAhseCg References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> From: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" To: "Latitude" , Cc: Subject: RE: Convince me, please! 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Clear:RC:0(201.235.69.197):SA:0(-1.3/3.5):. Processed in 6.028344 secs); 09 Aug 2007 21:03:16 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on athila-1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=3.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Envelope-From: dvicino@dc.uba.ar Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.101]) (dvicino@[201.235.69.197]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp-1.dc.uba.ar (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Aug 2007 21:03:10 -0000 Message-ID: <46BB80F4.3030003@dc.uba.ar> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:02:44 -0300 From: Damian Vicino User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:03:21 -0000 I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know how or dont want to export as .ps). I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks about the work they doing. Do you know any software in the port collection or somewhere else that can open these files or at least export to another vectorial format that can be open in some kde application or shell? Thanks for any info. Sdäv From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:08:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1C316A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC9D13C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dominor@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1067138pye for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tlfmSgYyMautPgfaPyhPaZ+La7QMaD3TFXEc1zoBtXunRKjiEOcwdMpP5LIfNqPgACJ+eliW1zNF2kobvKTbLe6pf2xcofG8NL3YIerNjfYwlc8aXvnz1oCl5RePuCnha5+8W5aL7Ge7twZy4OWUG1TWmrbDC1/+fUlUc2k3oQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kSnMARBHbrXNCpFW3k1WrWzSfTGDM4QEpGs/QaoESb2llLlxdMljYW0kGwNvRs6Ssk9FFxrgHDUT/LnFCeh+rspT1sUoTEcFzOn6cCBnA7bqSV79N4TGOGDZJJFZGjnCZfoES1pZQr4bWLrnvxS57lto2IRRFgVqFx2oZf/MYWE= Received: by 10.35.49.1 with SMTP id b1mr4019835pyk.1186693707692; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.67.17 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <105fa37b0708091408j74be0b81s5cec5506b7f6ea60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:08:27 -0400 From: "Hakan K" To: "Damian Vicino" In-Reply-To: <46BB80F4.3030003@dc.uba.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46BB80F4.3030003@dc.uba.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:08:28 -0000 *XnView* http://perso.orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enhome.html I hope it helps... Thanks Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/9/07, Damian Vicino wrote: > > I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know how > or dont want to export as .ps). > I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks about the work > they doing. > Do you know any software in the port collection or somewhere else that > can open these files or at least export to another vectorial format that > can be open in some kde application or shell? > Thanks for any info. > Sd=E4v > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:13:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7489916A419 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECE913C465 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from [192.168.125.134] ([192.168.125.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l79LDL0k050612 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> <46BB77C2.2020809@cs.okstate.edu> <20070809163101.c8623754.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20070809163101.c8623754.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091613.20539.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:13:25 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 15:31:01 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Reid Linnemann : > > Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > > > > > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > > > > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > > > make install clean & > > > > > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and > > stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are > > using bash, you could "make install clean &> /dev/null &" to have the > > process operate in the background and direct all output the the > > bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. > > That's only going to help so much. Most ports are going to generate > compiler warnings that go to stderr, which will still spam your screen. > > First off, I recommend directing to a file instead of /dev/null. That way > if it fails, you have the output to review. Secondly, redirect both > standard out and standard error. In bourne shells: > > make install clean >~/buildlog.txt 2>&1 & i use sysutils/screen. the entire process is stuck into a new shell, seperate from the one you started the command in. so, for instance: cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 screen make install clean then, you can background the screen with: ctrl-a-d i use screen all the time. one of the most common uses i find for it, is when i start a process on my box at home while at the office, and i know its going to run way past end-of-day. ill screen it, and then pick the screen'd terminal back up at home again, with a: screen -r or screen -rd [pid] (and dont forget to man screen!) cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:28:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4244416A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from recife.ipad.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4898F13C4B0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from lobo.ipad.com.br ([192.168.64.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by recife.ipad.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l79LSiTi020966; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:28:45 -0300 From: Mario Lobo Organization: IPAD To: Wojciech Puchar Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:28:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200708081330.32485.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> <200708081803.21691.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> <20070808235626.I64840@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070808235626.I64840@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Face: "j9,S@~?m[/.]/lb=?utf-8?q?S=5D=2EI=0A=09ITlWP=3A-?=" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_Mc4uGYqjRDpOPs3" Message-Id: <200708092128.44029.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE ultraDMA problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:28:54 -0000 --Boundary-00=_Mc4uGYqjRDpOPs3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 08 August 2007 22:00, you wrote: > > use some FAST WM without unneeded things (eg. icewm) just to run your > music program. Point taken ! > > please show me dmesg lines about your disk and controller, when running > with DMA. > > possibly IDE driver needs patching. > The attached IDE.txt contains not only dmesg output but also the output from: pciconf -lv atacontrol list and atacontrol cap as resquested by Sten Daniel Soersdal > > are you sure YOUR HDs? or all HDs doesn't work right with freebsd. > Mine do. They have ALWAYS worked right with FreeBSD. Like I said my previous board had them working at ultraDMA 100. -- ********************************************************** //| //| Mario Lobo // |// | http://www.ipad.com.br // // ||||||| FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free ********************************************************** --Boundary-00=_Mc4uGYqjRDpOPs3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="IDE.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="IDE.txt" # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>dmesg=20 Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. =46reeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. =46reeBSD 6.2-STABLE #21: Sat Aug 4 14:48:20 BRT 2007 root@lobo:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/LOBO ACPI APIC Table: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz (3199.66-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0xf64 Stepping =3D 4 Features=3D0xbfebfbff Features2=3D0xe4bd,> AMD Features=3D0x20100000 AMD Features2=3D0x1 Cores per package: 2 real memory =3D 1072562176 (1022 MB) avail memory =3D 1032024064 (984 MB) =46reeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 4 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) acpi0: on motherboard acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfe800000-0xfe8003ff on acp= i0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 2000 acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of fe800000, 100 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pcib2: irq 27 at device 2.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 nvidia0: mem 0xdc000000-0xdcffffff,0xc0000000-0xcfffffff,= 0xdd000000-0xddffffff irq 24 at device 0.0 on pci2 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,= 0xfc00-0xfc0f at device 15.0 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xf800-0xf81f at device 16.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xf400-0xf41f at device 16.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xf000-0xf01f at device 16.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: port 0xec00-0xec1f at device 16.3 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xdffff000-0xdffff0ff at device = 16.4 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb4: EHCI version 1.0 usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4: on ehci0 usb4: USB revision 2.0 uhub4: VIA EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered isab0: at device 17.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib3: at device 19.1 on pci0 pci4: on pcib3 pci4: at device 3.0 (no driver attached) pcm0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff irq 19 at device 5.0 on pci4 re0: port 0xd800-0xd8f= f mem 0xdfeff000-0xdfeff0ff irq 20 at device 7.0 on pci4 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: on miibus0 rgephy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000ba= seT-FDX, auto re0: Ethernet address: 00:1a:92:91:29:d4 re0: [FAST] pcib4: on acpi0 pci128: on pcib4 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acp= i0 sio0: type 16550A atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pmtimer0 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3D0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 uscanner0: Hewlett-Packard HP ScanJet 2200C, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 ums0: vendor 0x1241 product 0x1166, rev 1.10/2.70, addr 3, iclass 3/1 ums0: 5 buttons and Z dir. Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ad0: 114498MB at ata0-master PIO4 ad1: 117246MB at ata0-slave PIO4 ad2: 76351MB at ata1-master PIO4 acd0: DVDR at ata1-slave PIO4 acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=3D0x24 ascq=3D0x00 sks=3D0x40 0= x00 0x01 acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=3D0x24 ascq=3D0x00 sks=3D0x40 0= x00 0x01 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! cd0 at ata1 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 16.000MB/s transfers =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D---------- # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>pciconf -lv hostb0@pci0:0:0: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x81ce1043 chip=3D0x0327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI hostb1@pci0:0:1: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x1327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:2: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x2327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:3: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x3327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:4: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x4327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI ioapic0@pci0:0:5: class=3D0x080020 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x5327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D base peripheral subclass =3D interrupt controller hostb5@pci0:0:6: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x6327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI hostb6@pci0:0:7: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x7327110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:1:0: class=3D0x060400 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0xb1981106 rev=3D= 0x00 hdr=3D0x01 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' device =3D 'ProSavageDDR P4X600 CPU to AGP Bridge' class =3D bridge subclass =3D PCI-PCI pcib2@pci0:2:0: class=3D0x060400 card=3D0xc3231106 chip=3D0xa3271106 rev=3D= 0x00 hdr=3D0x01 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D PCI-PCI atapci0@pci0:15:0: class=3D0x01018a card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x5337110= 6 rev=3D0x07 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D mass storage subclass =3D ATA uhci0@pci0:16:0: class=3D0x0c0300 card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x3038110= 6 rev=3D0xa0 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' device =3D 'VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)' class =3D serial bus subclass =3D USB uhci1@pci0:16:1: class=3D0x0c0300 card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x3038110= 6 rev=3D0xa0 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' device =3D 'VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)' class =3D serial bus subclass =3D USB uhci2@pci0:16:2: class=3D0x0c0300 card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x3038110= 6 rev=3D0xa0 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' device =3D 'VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)' class =3D serial bus subclass =3D USB uhci3@pci0:16:3: class=3D0x0c0300 card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x3038110= 6 rev=3D0xa0 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' device =3D 'VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)' class =3D serial bus subclass =3D USB ehci0@pci0:16:4: class=3D0x0c0320 card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x3104110= 6 rev=3D0x86 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' device =3D 'VT6202 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller' class =3D serial bus subclass =3D USB isab0@pci0:17:0: class=3D0x060100 card=3D0x81cf1043 chip=3D0x3337110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D PCI-ISA hostb7@pci0:17:7: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x337e1106 chip=3D0x287e110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI hostb8@pci0:19:0: class=3D0x060000 card=3D0x00000000 chip=3D0x337b110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D HOST-PCI pcib3@pci0:19:1: class=3D0x060401 card=3D0x337a1106 chip=3D0x337a110= 6 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x01 vendor =3D 'VIA Technologies Inc' class =3D bridge subclass =3D PCI-PCI nvidia0@pci2:0:0: class=3D0x030000 card=3D0x22341682 chip=3D0x016a10d= e rev=3D0xa1 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'NVIDIA Corporation' class =3D display subclass =3D VGA none0@pci4:3:0: class=3D0x048000 card=3D0x0020ecc0 chip=3D0x18011057 rev=3D= 0x02 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'Motorola' device =3D 'DSP56301 24-bit Digital Signal Processor' class =3D multimedia pcm0@pci4:5:0: class=3D0x040100 card=3D0x011113f6 chip=3D0x011113f6 rev=3D= 0x10 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'C-Media Electronics Inc.' device =3D 'CMI8738/PCI C3DX It=B4s uses YMF744-B-V remarked chip' class =3D multimedia subclass =3D audio re0@pci4:7:0: class=3D0x020000 card=3D0x816710ec chip=3D0x816710ec rev=3D= 0x10 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'Realtek Semiconductor' class =3D network subclass =3D ethernet =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D---------- # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 ATA/ATAPI revision 7 Slave: ad1 ATA/ATAPI revision 7 ATA channel 1: Master: ad2 ATA/ATAPI revision 7 Slave: acd0 ATA/ATAPI revision 5 =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D---------- # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>atacontrol cap ad0 Protocol ATA/ATAPI revision 7 device model SAMSUNG SP1203N serial number 0752J1FW943928 firmware revision TL100-23 cylinders 16383 heads 16 sectors/track 63 lba supported 234493056 sectors lba48 supported 234493056 sectors dma supported overlap not supported =46eature Support Enable Value Vendor write cache yes yes read ahead yes yes Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) no no 0/0x00 SMART yes no microcode download yes yes security yes no power management yes yes advanced power management no no 0/0x00 automatic acoustic management yes no 0/0x00 254/0xFE =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D---------- # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>atacontrol cap ad1 Protocol ATA/ATAPI revision 7 device model Maxtor 6Y120L0 serial number Y41PW1VE firmware revision YAR41VW0 cylinders 16383 heads 16 sectors/track 63 lba supported 240121728 sectors lba48 not supported dma supported overlap not supported =46eature Support Enable Value Vendor write cache yes yes read ahead yes yes Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) no no 0/0x00 SMART yes no microcode download yes yes security yes no power management yes yes advanced power management yes no 0/0x00 automatic acoustic management yes no 0/0x00 192/0xC0 =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D---------- # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>atacontrol cap ad2 Protocol ATA/ATAPI revision 7 device model SAMSUNG SP0802N serial number 0637J1FW598953 firmware revision TK100-23 cylinders 16383 heads 16 sectors/track 63 lba supported 156368016 sectors lba48 supported 156368016 sectors dma supported overlap not supported =46eature Support Enable Value Vendor write cache yes yes read ahead yes yes Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) no no 0/0x00 SMART yes no microcode download yes yes security yes no power management yes yes advanced power management no no 0/0x00 automatic acoustic management yes no 0/0x00 254/0xFE =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D---------- # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]>atacontrol cap acd0 Protocol ATA/ATAPI revision 5 device model HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B serial number K7G498E1619 firmware revision A304 cylinders 0 heads 0 sectors/track 0 lba supported lba48 not supported dma supported overlap not supported =46eature Support Enable Value Vendor write cache no no read ahead no no Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) no no 0/0x00 SMART no no microcode download no no security no no power management yes no advanced power management no no 0/0x00 automatic acoustic management no no 0/0x00 0/0x00 --Boundary-00=_Mc4uGYqjRDpOPs3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:30:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA0216A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF62B13C4DE for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from 33.sub-70-212-255.myvzw.com (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l79LUUGg067132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <46BB8770.1020707@enabled.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:30:24 -0700 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Harrison References: <46BB69EF.9070400@enabled.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap [cured] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:30:33 -0000 see below Andy Harrison wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 8/9/07, Noah wrote: >> running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable >> >> we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 >> appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method >> uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports "Invalid credentials" in /var/log/messages >> >> We have another server called access2 that authenticates to the the ldap >> server running on access1. those users log in via ssh without issue on >> access2. >> >> I am trying to track down what is broken. I am not even sure how to >> receive verbose logging from PAM and/or PAM_ldap. Any assistance is >> much appreciated. >> >> > > What about your nsswitch.conf file? thanks Andy - that was it! I matched the lines of access1's nsswitch.conf to access2's nsswitch.conf file and things are fine! > > - -- > Andy Harrison > public key: 0x67518262 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org > > iD8DBQFGu3FBNTm8fWdRgmIRAoAQAJ4ocG7HEisT2k82NeoRzf1r0XKVawCg+Hrf > l+t2S41Im4TNPEoE8HF3jDc= > =aI1r > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:34:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE6216A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com [69.89.18.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BED5D13C483 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 32397 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJFdp-0007K6-K9 for FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:34:01 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79LY0E0074796 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l79LXxXn074795 for FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:59 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Cc: Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:34:03 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:30:32PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > >For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > > > > a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... > > Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without > hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, > for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... I don't really think of entirely unnecessary (for most purposes) server software as "standard utilities". Speaking only for myself, I *have* tried MacOS X (and used it in a professional capacity), and I too find it to be "very little unix" with "lots of bulky overhead". I also find it actively user-hostile in some of its aesthetic design choices (when your aesthetic sense demands that you make input devices less usable, there's a problem). MacOS X has some definite benefits, but it's not the be-all and end-all of OS design by any stretch. Its biggest benefit is that it's not MS Windows (speaking of user hostility). -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2); From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:46:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E00816A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:46:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bidjan@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AFC13C461 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bidjan@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so463447uge for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:46:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FAF2dcixegemq17iwhWQpGykcQwGa7gxKWGao7d1zqBOg120wn4kz7K0v3tpS/IBMhJ6pUMhOBo7+lxX+74fNrveFz4civQM7pVuBSlDyi4Qma1np58jzufI3Il6dOSGqnGt3uY3b5DHJb+3/sWO4tf18RVy7FTe9LngM2MbUUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JHAaJroy0aDPanecfEDW8CaLPuLkScCcoh8aUmYp8OA9z62LyOzu8pSqwqMdvH0ADIACmzIX10ZAHFG1X+9j4m35LN5gxvqh0LEKRM+3kPnje9qD/sIrK+COQKm3DDS3Bz/ABeYbW15ZhDp2fxh17ukEOZwnjj2LSdjmsjq/j/M= Received: by 10.143.38.6 with SMTP id q6mr101328wfj.1186696003535; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.82.19 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:46:43 -0400 From: "Pablo Mora" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070809202849.GA915@mugin.localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> <20070809202849.GA915@mugin.localhost> Subject: Re: reconfigure a port after install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:46:47 -0000 On 8/9/07, Harry Jensen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:57:46PM -0600, Miguel wrote: > > Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i > > want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support= , > > i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do > > i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? > > Im using portinstall btw, > > I don't know portinstall, but you can go into the directory > /usr/ports/mail/postfix and simply "make configure". > is "make config" --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- PGP KeyID: 0xC730A079 Key fingerprint =3D F626 3C47 02F5 E43C 6620 8A1B E7A8 533B C730 A079 gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys C730A079 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- ASCII Ribbon Campaign Against HTML e-mail & Microsoft Attachments FreeBSD Since 4.x & unixbsd.blogspot.com maintainer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- Haz todo lo que te viniere a la mano para hacer, porque Dios est=E1 contigo= !! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 22:01:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE8F16A421 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B5313C4B0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from elgert.dk (0x573c4c16.nivaanqu1.broadband.tele.dk [87.60.76.22]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 05F9B8A0007 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elgert.dk (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:01:19 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:01:19 +0200 From: Harry Jensen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809220119.GA1312@mugin.localhost> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> <20070809202849.GA915@mugin.localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: reconfigure a port after install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:01:21 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 05:46:43PM -0400, Pablo Mora wrote: > On 8/9/07, Harry Jensen wrote: > > /usr/ports/mail/postfix and simply "make configure". > > is "make config" Aaah, yes, sorry ;-) Brgds Harry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 22:06:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BA616A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE8713C4E3 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79M2smI081540; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:02:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l79M2sb1081539; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:02:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:02:54 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: "V.I.Victor" Message-ID: <20070809220254.GA81490@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:06:27 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:25:17PM +0000, V.I.Victor wrote: > > It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only > turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. > > I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a > single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. > > Is there a command-line utility to write a byte at a specified offset > into a file? You could try 'dd' and manipulate the skip/offset and size arguments. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 22:53:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAE116A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54E713C48D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay7.apple.com (relay7.apple.com [17.128.113.37]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7677BE1D0BA; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay7.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay7.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 63B62300DB; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807125-a3a21bb0000007e5-30-46bb9aec8e9c Received: from [17.214.13.96] (cswiger1.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay7.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 4EA3B30047; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:31 -0700 To: Reid Linnemann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:53:33 -0000 On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. >>> a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky >>> overhead ... >> >> Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without >> hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, >> for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... > > Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but > since when are 3rd party services standard utilities? When they ship with the system and when you can get security patches for them from the vendor. Things like BIND and sendmail are 3rd party services which ship standard with FreeBSD, although you do have knobs to not build them if you don't want them. Likewise, you don't have to install the OS X Server utilities or run a mailserver/webserver/etc if you don't want to. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 23:19:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B8E16A468 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AABF13C478 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so596191fka for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TZ8zJG3r41mJ3xPFyuvZCzVZQwG+bdtyTnn+Gj34GRHBXlxKwYBxFIEDz/Rhmq6u5EjqeeRioBRpi0gU3bB97K0Ud9hJNMqlQrJfhS8OGgus5NhMbMnXE6FTWnXY4RiKUtLjtxX4/WZgb3HKPMzCDn/0UP+zBZytMDh1vghv/C4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VtaQdbcT0Waqs+Wu9h/yMLpk2cyif9g/cZ2e+fvEtfpjL7dhnBD/uVKEOBeBz7RFQOAV3v/U2TpS53q9aYp3a/PGiN2qO4XFk6kGNGBUXW1f5ucvmUcgHzTlEyxwX97DFC+TUCNMzi0JPK0fL5i67IE+WcQKEsbiBTFah2UqUTs= Received: by 10.82.183.19 with SMTP id g19mr3236874buf.1186701572825; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:19:32 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Jerry McAllister" In-Reply-To: <20070809165549.GA80385@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070809134752.GA1646@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809143341.U10947@duane.dbq.yournetplus.com> <20070809145011.GA2312@assurancetourix.theGauls.fr> <20070809105944.f35ef8fa.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809165549.GA80385@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:19:35 -0000 On 09/08/07, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:59:44AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > > > In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy : > > > > > Duane Hill wrote: > > > > > > > > freebsd-test@freebsd.org works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > > > > to it and use it for test message sending. > > > > > > > > > > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. > > > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > The reason for the complaint (and the reason the freebsd-test list exists) > > is that you just "inconvenienced" thousands of people who subscribe to > > this list. > > The thing I find interesting is that when someone sends one of those > so-called test messages, we get . . . . . . hopefully some balance, the 19 berative posts perhaps preventing a bouillon others. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 23:29:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC4D16A41A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814EC13C458 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so467716rvb for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:29:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ao+qnmksjDQG/HdYVchhX9PtIgbZo0xcwx+x9atUajbeVrPC6M5uLdkLmqNgha5YuPeXGy1Vn21z4/6laA5fwuxO2Jy5d0HZvlVAR8adulgLc4uYYYe2WjD9iRDqxJ5mgF5qZ0n166MJcCuyN3jXcrDO8uhRkPyKKS2NDpDPolk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ex7RZQThuZufhRJ8jZHE1utP9Kb/bQX4mXDHKS2Js6mCZDiQIaO1L2aTBczjLcaULbLDUw36Q1GWgTM6VxgjxHeA59D1ebRo4xI3bPWKiCu6KP5pbdQFGmWB8WFJAMNx3jGX3UijqhRN70lHefgKjhSjqmmjCCcYIUQgJt4liNk= Received: by 10.141.197.18 with SMTP id z18mr809321rvp.1186702198829; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.207.2 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64c038660708091629s306ed106rbef8736e0732989d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:29:58 -0600 From: Modulok To: Latitude In-Reply-To: <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:29:59 -0000 > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. For someone with zero Unix experience. It's not easy. > I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly > acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously > known only Windows. Unless you know some other flavor of Unix, or have the time to invest learning it, or have a local guru to hook you up - it isn't. > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have > a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out > what's going on? No. Not unless you install one. > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating > systems. *Laughs* I do. I came from exactly where you're coming from, the "Windows user" camp. It's been a very long, frustrating trip, but for me it's been worth it. For those who want an easy to use Windows clone, FreeBSD is not it. FreeBSD is, first and foremost, a server, hence the catch phrase, "The power to serve." That's not to say it cannot be configured to be a windows work-alike, it can, but this would require at least some learning of Unix basics to configure the system in this way. For a friendly windows clone, you might look into "PC-BSD". It comes out of the box ready for Windows converts. For those coming from a "Windows user" background, FreeBSD will require a significant investment in time in order to see any benefit. For those who have that time, the rewards are rich indeed. The majority of what you would learn about FreeBSD can also be applied to almost any other flavor of Unix, should you decide to jump ship again. The FreeBSD project has excellent documentation for learning the system, as well as a very supportive mailing list. These two factors are what got the sway vote for me to get onboard over the other Unix flavors. my 2 cents. -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 00:29:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B9416A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDFF13C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so609718fka for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:29:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pPT5lEAXuw6u616bkOcmHgvCN5LQdAs2ySv9dutmINkmuXpyealtEZ9SK8Qx8qsCPsgu81Jetj6ulbxC0oJhyi1TSsoFQ72DWrwwbfUk3dnjtseuuttsXoJXSa/mQk5oBvDmjWySOPpaR5ACnKUkEDFyeHJcJfW1pNxLuXwlT/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C0kc/ilynJa/ZZmXgPEy7lohjFT4WP62TltoKCrq0yrtFrIjeDp+cNbaXj9Sc2Mp6UW7nuFdITggbVfBE/k0y27wiZn4yEH98+1kse/y8oewT4+wWDc6rvFIxJ1uKrtiVik8bnmTKYLmkdxAiHWMB8knrFF2jYJ7Kgn1XGJs+PM= Received: by 10.82.116.15 with SMTP id o15mr3261566buc.1186705790921; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.5 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:29:50 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Latitude In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:29:53 -0000 On 08/08/07, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. It is not all that easy, but most people don't remember what a pain in the ass it was to learn how to use winders. I moved away from the microsoft world when I could no longer run a recent version of winders on a 486dx4 at any speed. It was a serious pain to relearn, but unlike 90% of the winders using crowd, I actually remember using dos3.3 and how awful it was to learn, and how horrible the change to winders3.1 was, and how much worse trying to actually use winders9.5 was. I recieved my joyful feeling recently when helping a friend move from winders2.0.0.0 to eckspee: do you have any clue how many gratuitous, undocumented changes to the administrative functions occur with every "upgrade"? And good luck trying to track down all of the insane locations for personal data. Of course I have drinked most of that incident away, thank Heaven. No, it's not easy, but neiither was learnin' winders. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 00:46:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E572C16A46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A887213C45D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id l7A0RgK01889; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <20070810102741.11825@caamora.com.au> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:41 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Subject: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:46:58 -0000 greetings all just installed a compaq proliant 5500 with freebsd v6.2-release, works quite well in most respects. except for one small item. i installed from ports the w3.org web browser amaya, just did the basic "make install" and ater teh fetch and build, which didn't throw up any errors or complaints, as far as i could see .. i started up teh browser > amaya-gtk and all it returned was this error message /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required by "amaya-gtk" i scoured teh hard disk and found nothing, i looked on teh freebsd v6.2-release january 2007 4 cdrom set from freebsdmall.com (thanks guys) and the "freebsd toolkit july 2006" (supposed to be fro 6.2 ??) the 6 cdrom set. i found no mention of any "libintl.any.revision.at.all" sugestions, ideas .. how do i go about resolving thiw situations, please. i am new to building/debuging software from ports, i normaly just install teh package and thats that. i live on teh end of a 14kb dialup modem link .. no adsl where i am, yet. sorry, i am not subscribed, please cc: me kind regards and much appreciations jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 01:16:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE4716A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:16:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1999313C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7A1Gn9X020068 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l7A1GnhX020067 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:16:48 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community Cc: Subject: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:16:50 -0000 Guys, A couple years ago I got a hold of Ubuntu and until recent months thought it was the best thing since [[ fill-in ]]. Long-story-shot, I am wedged at 6.06 (a Long Term Support) version, and because the *next* "LTS" isn't due until 2009 and *mostly* because the Linux filesystem __ate__ several files (at least one binary; plus several gifs/jpgs/whatever), I'm thinking of switching back. Our 6.2-RELEASE really is the best release I've seen, so I may just buy 6.3 or 7.1 or whatever. The other option is to buy or download the pee-cee version (1.4 or later) of BSD. I want something with audio and video apps that JustWork{tm}; something that's mostly for fun. ....Altho, as noted above, my installation of 6.2 comes pretty close. Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? What about a "desktop-BSD"?? suggestion? advice? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 01:36:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A5916A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600B413C457 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from [192.168.125.80] (miaplacidus.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A1aRid055554 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:36:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:36:26 -0500 From: Jonathan Horne To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? Thread-Index: Acfa7t20HGQKUEbiEdybvwARJHRYUg== In-Reply-To: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:36:31 -0000 On 8/9/07 8:16 PM, "Gary Kline" wrote: > Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? > What about a "desktop-BSD"?? I gave them both a try when I first got into FreeBSD. I didn't particularly care for their package management system. DesktopBSD has a really cool little quite of tools that are quite useful on the desktop, and Ive found I cant live without them (the tray-mounter is great!). Thankfully, these tools are available in the standard FreeBSD ports tree. Ultimately, after giving both an honest try, I ended up staying with FreeBSD, and have never looked back. -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 01:55:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D450416A420 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtx@edoxx.eu) Received: from h1126060.serverkompetenz.net (netecserver.com [81.169.181.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4281413C45A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtx@edoxx.eu) Received: (qmail 26451 invoked by uid 60000); 10 Aug 2007 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from 89.35.223.97 by h1126060 (envelope-from , uid 60004) with qmail-scanner-1.24st SA 24 (spamassassin: 3.0.4. Clear:RC:0(89.35.223.97):SA:0(0.0/5.0):. 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(mtx@edoxx.eu@89.35.223.97) by netecserver.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 01:55:20 -0000 From: Valentin Bud Organization: edoxx To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:29:02 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> <20070809163101.c8623754.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200708091613.20539.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200708091613.20539.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708100429.03072.mtx@edoxx.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on h1126060.serverkompetenz.net X-Spam-Level: X-Qmail-Scanner-MOVED-X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:55:48 -0000 On Friday 10 August 2007 12:13 am, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Thursday 09 August 2007 15:31:01 Bill Moran wrote: > > In response to Reid Linnemann : > > > Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > > > > > > > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > > > > > > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > > > > make install clean & > > > > > > > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and > > > stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are > > > using bash, you could "make install clean &> /dev/null &" to have the > > > process operate in the background and direct all output the the > > > bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. > > > > That's only going to help so much. Most ports are going to generate > > compiler warnings that go to stderr, which will still spam your screen. > > > > First off, I recommend directing to a file instead of /dev/null. That > > way if it fails, you have the output to review. Secondly, redirect both > > standard out and standard error. In bourne shells: > > > > make install clean >~/buildlog.txt 2>&1 & > > i use sysutils/screen. the entire process is stuck into a new shell, > seperate from the one you started the command in. so, for instance: > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > screen make install clean > > then, you can background the screen with: > > ctrl-a-d > > i use screen all the time. one of the most common uses i find for it, is > when i start a process on my box at home while at the office, and i know > its going to run way past end-of-day. ill screen it, and then pick the > screen'd terminal back up at home again, with a: > > screen -r > or > screen -rd [pid] > > (and dont forget to man screen!) > > cheers, A good ideea would be to build screen static. In case you update your system, it is possible that the libraries on which screen depends might be deleted. To do so # make CONFIGURE_ENV=LDFLAGS="-static" build # make install that will create a binary screen which is not dynamically linked with the libraries. and of course don't forget man screen all the best, V From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 02:02:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A3216A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A7A13C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1179252pye for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UlzynRmy3k0XHak35ZE0YUqNYITCmFQTzIOnYHe6hTCcX/StCCp8rukNjMlnPvLa9byusF0rGLgN6aXf51J+XkDzq4oQiknHKMhXhUi9zxkytFaW3CTM921JRl7pVmAwZi9eAyG1g65BJtb/Ly752N8vIDQGAjY3nDEWALMoFoc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nWva/lOLU8hjkK6rLRcbXtzdabWUjasPv6G3NfPUo3PsRS4nUBe8XE5/c9k3+2NVd+11Jl8Rein3+EMpbAz3yOVz36Vx+OVuhBqSEn8Rusga7niMrJ8n1+uztHWcGObwp5Ick2xX1w/j7Kim+YlLb/d8zP7uEoooQNBW0zf8Em0= Received: by 10.143.10.15 with SMTP id n15mr483856wfi.1186711374413; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.12 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:02:54 -0700 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Gary Kline" In-Reply-To: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:02:55 -0000 On 8/9/07, Gary Kline wrote: > > Guys, > > close. Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? > What about a "desktop-BSD"?? > > suggestion? advice? I've used PC-BSD, and agree with Jonathan - it's package management system is a bit funky. It's real FreeBSD, but... I've also used Freesbie, which is a live CD with (last I looked) an XFCE4 desktop, and I liked it. In particular, I liked that it would install itself to your machine if you told it to do so, and then it became just a standard FreeBSD install. That was about a year ago, though, so I expect it's even better now. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 02:12:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9C016A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from recife.ipad.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C5C13C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from lobo.ipad.com.br ([192.168.64.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by recife.ipad.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l7A2ChTi011182 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:12:43 -0300 From: Mario Lobo Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:12:42 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: X-Face: "j9,S@~?m[/.]/lb=?utf-8?q?S=5D=2EI=0A=09ITlWP=3A-?=" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708100212.43159.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:12:47 -0000 On Friday 10 August 2007 00:29, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 08/08/07, Latitude wrote: > > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > > users of how easy the switch may be. Short answer: If windows did not convince you yet, you re not ready to be here. I think no one on this list will try to do that because I beleive all of them convinced themselves that they had to do something, to take the first step (and risks) on the steep learning curve, and jump into the books. If you want to break free of that never-ending cycle of windowsupgrade/hadwareupgrade/windowsupgrade/hwupgrade (and on and on.... not to mention the dark corners they put out on EVERY new version of it), then Free is the name to run to. But please dont be scared of the work involved. The sensation afterwards is tenfold !! Ie been using FreeBSD since 2.2.8. FreeBSD is going version 7.0 (soon) and compared to most of these guys here, I consider myself a rookey. And I can prety much say that most of them will read your questions and an answer will come from, AT very LEAST, one. The tone may vary according to the FreeBSDer personality, BUT WE WILL HELP YOU. The one and only condition is that you must be walking the path already. We are all in the pool in our shorts, wet,swimming, getting tired sometimes but having FUN, and you are outside, all dressed up in a suit, asking us if you should jump in, if the water is cold, if you will die !! Come on !! take a chance !! you wont beleive the water !! good luck and best wishes -- ********************************************************** //| //| Mario Lobo // |// | http://www.ipad.com.br // // ||||||| FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free ********************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 02:48:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA8716A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (smtpclu-7.eunet.yu [194.247.192.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2FA13C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7A1hOvj027933; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:43:24 +0200 Message-Id: <200708100143.l7A1hOvj027933@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:43:36 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: "Hakan K" In-Reply-To: <105fa37b0708091408j74be0b81s5cec5506b7f6ea60@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BB80F4.3030003@dc.uba.ar> <105fa37b0708091408j74be0b81s5cec5506b7f6ea60@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: 0.0 Cc: Damian Vicino , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:48:57 -0000 On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:08:27 -0400 "Hakan K" wrote: > On 8/9/07, Damian Vicino wrote: > > > > I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know > > how or dont want to export as .ps). > > I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks about the work > > they doing. > > Do you know any software in the port collection or somewhere else > > that can open these files or at least export to another vectorial > > format that can be open in some kde application or shell? > > Thanks for any info. > > Sd=C3=A4v > > *XnView* >=20 > http://perso.orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enhome.html (xnview is available through graphics/xnview port.) Yes, it's impossible to directly open and view a CDR file, you have to convert it to something else first (preferably to SVG). I've recently used UniConvertor (http://sourceforge.net/projects/uniconvertor/) to convert several CDR files to SVG. It supports the newest CDR versions. However, it isn't ported, you have to compile it yourself. % ./uniconv [...] Converts one vector graphics format to another using sK1 engine. Allowed input formats: AI - Adobe Illustrator files (postscript based) CDR - CorelDRAW Graphics files (7-X3 versions) CMX - Corel Presentation Exchange files (CMX1 format) [...] It's also recommended in Inkscape's (graphics/inkscape) FAQ: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#What_can_I_do_with_.2A.cdr_.2= 8Corel_Draw_Vector_drawing_file.29_files_in_Inkscape.3F_I_have_got_my_image= s_in_.2A.cdr_files_and_I_would_like_to_continue_in_.2A.SVG. Damian, if you want to try UniConvert and have troubles compiling it (as usual, a couple of changes in installation scripts and Makefiles is necessary) -- just post here again. Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 03:40:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656F816A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1834F13C46A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 6039 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 22:40:59 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 22:40:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:40:55 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: jonathan michaels Message-ID: <20070810134055.54a2c03a@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070810102741.11825@caamora.com.au> References: <20070810102741.11825@caamora.com.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:40:59 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:41 +1000 jonathan michaels wrote: > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required by "amaya-gtk" G'day Jonathan :) in my box (6.2 STABLE) , it was installed by gettext: [betom@ayiin] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:21 2007] /usr/home/betom $ locate libintl.so.8 /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8 [betom@ayiin] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:25 2007] /usr/home/betom $ pkg_info -W `locate libintl.so.8` /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8 was installed by package gettext-0.16.1_3 B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Produce great people, the rest will follow." Elbert Hubbard I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 03:54:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330B716A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:54:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@earth.parts-unknown.org) Received: from earth.parts-unknown.org (earth.parts-unknown.org [66.93.170.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5836B13C478 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@earth.parts-unknown.org) Received: (qmail 80968 invoked by uid 501); 10 Aug 2007 03:53:49 -0000 DomainKey-Status: no signature Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:53:49 -0700 From: David Benfell To: Ow Mun Heng Message-ID: <20070810035349.GC70440@parts-unknown.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ow Mun Heng , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070808021222.GA29976@parts-unknown.org> <1186558547.29386.1.camel@neuromancer.home.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1186558547.29386.1.camel@neuromancer.home.net> X-gnupg-public-key: http://www.parts-unknown.org/gnupg/export-0DD1D1E3 X-stardate: [-29]8025.79 X-moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (9% of Full) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, David Benfell Subject: SOLVED: Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:54:03 -0000 --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:35:47 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 19:12 -0700, David Benfell wrote: > > Hello all, > >=20 > > I would really like the "open link" function to work under > > gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration > > and a Google search comes up empty. >=20 Thanks to Ow Mun Heng, this is now solved. For whatever reason, the file .gconf/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/%gconf= =2Exml in my home directory contained an incorrect specification for firefox. It needs to point to the right place. --=20 David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGu+FNUd+dMw3R0eMRAsXfAJoDVl+WsJlrCzMfxsZiT/XsQW0+mgCfdvZn GGthZzX+sdod/4Vo2cy1064= =HJG2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 03:54:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CD16A46D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA15113C4F2 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 28so649145hub for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:54:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=TChDmunu1wdPqo8qp0arzRsazilnjcf9C53gVoza3mhDrA//sLXzt1wN4VkTRjglvwv340K5Wf1O4gSTXW0crulicp6a78qcLTCG1zKzpCsed7JN4tPOEucL/Vf0BkGGzZ5MnT8OAkEEFrrRsX94WqSSdCzbfDm93p6hdRa+DZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=ekedATRuAeVSyUoy9F7NdcblHTXg+LDrQdp0Z91HPzC4gGuixysg7Wcj0yug7SqpQpoaEOXPVIFSJRNDGkOlz8/SN0Wlh1pLdXg2lexw93h6rrgTxDF/2+A1Glgy3zjcqzPI/aOG+CgDVEI8/Fqu3MyygOC4Lpk1x0/tkoaJ3yA= Received: by 10.86.60.7 with SMTP id i7mr2012023fga.1186718075951; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d27sm2467421nfh.2007.08.09.20.54.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BBE17E.9030206@crackmonkey.us> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:54:38 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mary Evans References: <566989.72816.qm@web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <566989.72816.qm@web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:54:38 -0000 Hi Latitude. > Latitude wrote: >> you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows >> users of how easy the switch may be. What, us? The users? As Mary said, we don't care how you get your everyday tasks done. Why should we present any arguments at all? The switch isn't easy. It's damn hard. But it's worth it. >> I need to see an overwhelming argument >> that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop >> users who have previously known only Windows. To be honest I don't think FreeBSD is ready for this yet. It's getting there, but it isn't there yet. Perhaps when the amd64 nVidia driver comes out, hmm? I can't wait for that one. :) Oh, and sysinstall needs replacing, too. Maybe then. [I know, controversial. It's only my opinion, and I don't know nuttin', so please don't get upset, anyone.] >> will I instantly have a >> desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure > out >> what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet >> connection right off the bat? Ehhh... nope. FreeBSD does these things just as well as, and perhaps better than, anything else. But you don't get the slickness right away. You have to prove yourself worthy first. ;) If you don't want to be bothered, then best stick with Windows for now. Or maybe check out the newer Linux distros like Ubuntu. Some of those are pretty cool. Why not try dual-booting? Whatever the case, FreeBSD certainly isn't for you. Just think of us FreeBSD users as weird people who enjoy pain. :P Mary Evans wrote: > As others have told you, FreeBSD people are generally > looking to TAKE BACK CONTROL OF THEIR OWN COMPUTERS! Applause. > Case in point. I have a Windows XP system which > I use to access my organization's On-Line Learning system, > and to let me surf and do stuff while I learn BSD. I'll probably keep the XP partition on my hard disk for a while. Mainly for games and the odd WinAPI hacking session. At least, until I learn how to use WINE or Cedega or something. > My intent is to get totally away from Windows That's the dream. Unattainable for me at present. Still, who knows what the future holds? > When I want to find something, > I want to find it - not click another screen with a > lame animation that wants to confirm what I want to do. Some of the ports contain lame animations too. In fact I'm sure I saw something like this in Thunar, or was it Nautilus? I think sometimes the urge to imitate is too strong to ignore. That's the genius of any *nix system - choice. > When you get sick and tired of being sick and tired of > Windows, you won't need any convincing. That's the way it was/is for me. I tasted Linux, but the file system was too unstable. Then I stumbled across FreeBSD and knew I was home. :P Anyway, I've rambled on for far too long. Someone should stop me when that happens. :) Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 03:55:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EBE16A475 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4594513C4CC for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 6856 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 22:55:16 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 22:55:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:55:12 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Latitude Message-ID: <20070810135512.00856c4f@localhost> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:55:19 -0000 On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:22:26 -0500 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, Hello Robert, I don't think I'll tell you what to do - i think most contributors to this thread have done a pretty good job @ pointing you in the right direction (with different degrees of shoving involved ;-) ). At least most agree on one fact : there is no underlying incentive to convert every/most/some/you windows users to FreeBSD - those who want it will do it. Let Microsoft and Apple marketing machines do all the convincing for their own products (well, and in the case of Vista, let the quality of the product be its own counter-sell point :D ). I also find it very interesting that troll-looking emails like yours generate so many helpful responses, but then the original poster (ie, you :) ) do not bother to reply back / follow up. good luck with your choices, _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 04:01:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E46516A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED95313C4DE for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 7334 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 23:01:58 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 23:01:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:01:54 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Peter Boosten Message-ID: <20070810140154.346f1a8e@localhost> In-Reply-To: <46BAA129.6090800@boosten.org> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> <46BAA129.6090800@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:01:58 -0000 On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:07:53 +0200 Peter Boosten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Pollywog wrote: > > > > I hope I do not get flamed for saying this... > > FreeBSDers don't flame :-) > > > > > I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I think > > that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD > > would be a better introduction for you. > > Yes, I think you're right. Most FreeBSD users are used to do things the > 'command line way'. I think it is more a 'Unix users' rather than FBSD users thing. The fact remains that unix provides an awesome toolkit that doesnt have (or need) mouse+button hindrance that only now MS is seriously starting to provide. Yes, you have all the GUI you want in windows, but to get things fixed when they borked (or when you want the job done without outguessing the gui) you now have lots of CLI tools. I find this highly amusing... MS is still coming around to doing things the unix way ...if only in the long way around... > FreeBSD has a steep learning curve (actually a steep > configuration curve), but once you get things running (and that isn't > that hard) it's rock steady. Not necessarily more than other unix-like OS, i think. Understanding the system (ANY system) is key to ease of configuration. If you started learning unix, properly configuring windows is ... strange, and all over the place > So the advantages aren't necessary won when installing, but more when > using FreeBSD for a while. applies to all OSes i can think of. > > To the OP: if you're not willing to learn, Windows is probably best for > you. yeah, i agree. B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 04:24:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FFF16A420 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDAF13C45B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so204026nfb for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:24:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Lf/MT+sADxfrY70bDkw+gVuR/w+3sbXN0f5STZJvwtHGOSta+eR6H6ovXb0kORFdPfIqTRqNNyXRqA9MoixPRWTbGcOZZSF1rVMpxVFl1xxsnnnJxk1yAt4m5I/xeicTnSW7IlUtz7a5200DQZdFiQWlmmgqz5dBQ2LQuVWMhpI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=myFAImB1Lmmn5tQCHoDKsPlgilMstBxOx6ps7AbvF21ibXhgr0jUaJx79uuzyTr7UKcYnASkG3Vi/FSUSPBFOvqr923eYLcXHB1Tl5Ajf7XZpP8ERBngAkqS3TY6eoLRl1Qxh0/IRiBDaw4o0IbMT5oAYnZgx8RqRf9MR+a8jx4= Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr774273huf.1186719840436; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.12 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <539c60b90708092124t51930f7ay4654fb05b6c8f302@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:24:00 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "Gary Kline" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: dfe72ca6fe7e5780 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:24:02 -0000 My experience with PC-BSD was that it was just different enough to break alot of FreeBSD's documentation, and they don't have enough of their own. I was a newbie, of course, but I went with vanilla FreeBSD because of the handbook and freebsd-questions, and I've no regrets. Been at least 9 months. Course I like to hack. Steve On 8/9/07, Kurt Buff wrote: > On 8/9/07, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > > close. Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? > > What about a "desktop-BSD"?? > > > > suggestion? advice? > > I've used PC-BSD, and agree with Jonathan - it's package management > system is a bit funky. It's real FreeBSD, but... > > I've also used Freesbie, which is a live CD with (last I looked) an > XFCE4 desktop, and I liked it. In particular, I liked that it would > install itself to your machine if you told it to do so, and then it > became just a standard FreeBSD install. That was about a year ago, > though, so I expect it's even better now. > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Steve Franks, KE7BTE Staff Engineer La Palma Devices, LLC http://www.lapalmadevices.com (520) 312-0089 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 04:31:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A781216A421 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B91513C4B5 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so204415nfb for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=InYD13t+FyK6hH6cSv1A2Q4tc4GzEELEy8w6dH8OEtDLaraUrnjVtA5BH1PI4RVl1g/JCmlapF1tf2TWLsdeee904jvSuNOabpchbo3L7ZE4IU8umzhCvm2zRgyUCioRcXmC3YJsjGjAfsFBWsCOOBeo3wOJp8QlvrNXi2isMOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kBDEVdi9HiDmX4V0TFtT2nsG2ese9MfpWLYjSje2mm6c3pe0MEtxLFu8T+7UtdDSkRR8KxcTMVPGyh7f/84y3MV82q2J/Xnd5WxtV8UWPH0sCvh2SH2278p7xegDhspFfXt92j4+mTyqQ07juFG3jo0aqsWkx4MRWkE3K4KKABI= Received: by 10.78.37.7 with SMTP id k7mr1145692huk.1186720267533; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.12 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <539c60b90708092131v1037cae8v16532e57ff34d7db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:31:07 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "Don Hinton" In-Reply-To: <18107.29558.834358.66922@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <18107.29558.834358.66922@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 258d1ecc352f3a3a Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cheap (supported) wifi card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:31:09 -0000 On 8/9/07, Don Hinton wrote: > Hi: > > I recently purchased a new HP dv9500t laptop. Unfortunately, the > Intel 4965AGN wireless card it came with isn't supported (yet). I > tried to use ndisgen, but it caused a panic (both 6.2 and > 7.0-current). I'm afraid you are in big trouble with a name-brand laptop. You cannot put a non-vendor approved minipci card in it without the bios locking you out. I tried no less than 3 different cards before I Google'd it and found this is a common problem - bios checks the vendor id or somesuch and won't even boot the bios config screen until you take the card out. I read this happends with HP, Dell, everyone. FIrst it was the recording industry, not laptop vendors. Next you're going to have to pay a yearly fee for them to even boot. Get a nice PCMCIA or USB card with an Atheros or Prism (and some Realtek - just got burned with a new realtek, however) chipset and you're good to go. I have a $35 store-brand card from OfficeMax that works like a charm - my HP laptop has a broadcomm in it, and I'm running amd64 - supposedly the 64 bit broadcomm drivers don't even work with Vista - big panic ndiswrapping them - gave up. Just Google the part number and chipset before you buy it. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 04:36:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDB516A46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9734313C45A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so204657nfb for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:36:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ocGLt8NBTusgY6JYDDva506rkPOvi1hS11XpmeJBNvHZiswHC0UTMFZoYU3O67mJ4iLpAcjtZQALxGzEfY9s6LY+yWLs+XkdisgCtFItuxhzFtRT2yPTlHTpdqXSbdrcKMVhbMaUFwI51tS/kGNomxMryfxXnxmChzcWA7SxuBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=p9OK4HW/lbsgBTiilfFXDNhDSGsgRvNNw2Mjj4qhn2TlzOqSXxH18UxwN1OKCkxA7oxTY3U4DZwdV/KsC6R1GUWuWvBEs1Nzs7NXfJkCaeHRAl2FRdLNfHaOSZZggO7+qRKWiwGcBvNqm+5xkG3Yf0K3kRbAAJM27I3XYTPJkJU= Received: by 10.78.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr1139857hue.1186720581858; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.12 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <539c60b90708092136s54297a1t8a9cdaef26358cb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:36:21 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 77da3424421e2d87 Subject: Highpoint rr2300 on pci-e not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:36:24 -0000 Anyone got this to work? I suspect it's due to it being in a pci-e slot, but maybe not, since it does show up in dmesg. Hipoint makes their own freebsd drivers, so I figured 'slam-dunk', but no such luck. dmesg: ... pci2: on pcib2 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) ... rr2310_00: RocketRAID 231x/230x controller driver v2.0 (Mar 23 2007 16:26:01) rr2310_00: no controller detected. ... Of course, maybe pci2 is something else, but I don't think so. Thanks, Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 05:44:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E4516A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B3613C428 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from 192.33-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.33.192]) by mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 07:44:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:42:48 +0200 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070810054248.GA19951@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> References: <20070809065005.GA15380@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> <46BB59D7.7060605@otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BB59D7.7060605@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:44:16 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 09:15:51PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported on FreeBSD6.2? > > > > If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to work. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Alain > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > I've seen Nikos answered you already, but the fact is you don't have to > move to STABLE to get the hda driver to work. It will work on > 6.2-RELEASE if you so wish. > Download the precompiled kernel module from here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~ariff/lowlatency/ > > Decompress the archive, copy sound.ko and snd_hda.ko to /boot/kernel > (you may as well copy all the .ko files, but these two are the ones needed) > then do (as root) a kldload snd_hda ( and add snd_hda_load="YES" to > /boot/loader.conf so it loads with each reboot). > Running this driver on my laptop with no problems for quite some time now. Thanks, works like a charm ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 05:48:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA53616A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl [213.51.103.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B5713C46A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from ra.egypt.nl (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E1F398B6 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5AE2D398AB; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ra.egypt.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3EE39885 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BBFC0C.8020202@boosten.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:56 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708090501.59948.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> <46BAA129.6090800@boosten.org> <20070810140154.346f1a8e@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070810140154.346f1a8e@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: url=http://www.boosten.org/content/view/49/47/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-3, 08/09/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:48:02 -0000 Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:07:53 +0200 > Peter Boosten wrote: >> Yes, I think you're right. Most FreeBSD users are used to do things the >> 'command line way'. > > I think it is more a 'Unix users' rather than FBSD users thing. The fact remains that unix provides an awesome toolkit that doesnt have (or need) mouse+button hindrance that only now MS is seriously starting to provide. Yes, you have all the GUI you want in windows, but to get things fixed when they borked (or when you want the job done without outguessing the gui) you now have lots of CLI tools. I find this highly amusing... MS is still coming around to doing things the unix way ...if only in the long way around... > >> FreeBSD has a steep learning curve (actually a steep >> configuration curve), but once you get things running (and that isn't >> that hard) it's rock steady. > > Not necessarily more than other unix-like OS, i think. Understanding the system (ANY system) is key to ease of configuration. If you started learning unix, properly configuring windows is ... strange, and all over the place > >> So the advantages aren't necessary won when installing, but more when >> using FreeBSD for a while. > > applies to all OSes i can think of. > You're right on all answers, but we're talking in this mailing list about FreeBSD ;-) -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 06:18:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE7B16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A16B13C45B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 15856 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 01:18:30 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 01:18:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:18:26 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: jonathan michaels Message-ID: <20070810161826.647d82e1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070810143158.40722@caamora.com.au> References: <20070810102741.11825@caamora.com.au> <20070810134055.54a2c03a@localhost> <20070810143158.40722@caamora.com.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:18:31 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:31:58 +1000 jonathan michaels wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 01:40:55PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:41 +1000 > > jonathan michaels wrote: > > > > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required by "amaya-gtk" > > > > G'day Jonathan :) > > norberto, greetings .. how have you been ?? > > sorry, if i make a mistake, have we written before ? i seem to > recall in teh past a time or two ?? hi :) probably on the lists - btw, please keep the list in CC > > > > in my box (6.2 STABLE) , it was installed by gettext: > > > > [betom@ayiin] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:21 2007] > > /usr/home/betom > > $ locate libintl.so.8 > > /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8 > > that was teh forst thing that i tired and nothing .. no > responce > > > [betom@ayiin] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:25 2007] > > /usr/home/betom > > $ pkg_info -W `locate libintl.so.8` > > /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8 was installed by package gettext-0.16.1_3 > > > that didn;t shw up much either .. "file is not in PATH" of course, you haven't got the file in the first place :) pkg_info -W {file} tells you which package (if any) installed that file. Because it's located under /usr/local/, it is highly likely it was installed by a 3rd party package/port , rather than part of the OS > but i checked for "gettext" in teh index-6 and in my version, > either jul 2006 or jan 2007 ( freebsd toolkit or jan 2007 ), is > a fw revisions earlier than the right one. fair enough, i keep mine up to date. you can use locate libintl.so instead , and see if you have any version of libintl installed. If you do have a version of libintl in your system, (highly likely if you have gettext installed), then you can try mapping the calls to libintl.so.8 to libintl.so (which should be a soft link to your version of libintl, ie,so.SOMETHING ). You do this by updating /etc/libmap.conf a line like libintl.so.8 libintl.so should do the trick. TFM is @ man libmap.conf :) > > looks like i'm going to have to upgrad teh whole lot .. grrr. > do you know where i can get the whole packages tree ? norberto > ?? not necessarily , it may work with updating libmap.conf > > > thank you norberto, very much appreciated. > > most kind regards > no problem at all :) B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks." Calvin I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:11:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CCF16A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43FD13C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79877142BDD; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:10:28 +0300 (EEST) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: Alex Zbyslaw Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:10:51 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091704.31952.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101010.51698.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:11:08 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 17:39, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > >Keep in mind that dump(8) uses UFS2 snapshots. I don't know > >the current status, but in the past, snapshots were not working > >that good. > > This statement is far too general and IMHO does a disservice to those > who worked on snapshots. The last thing that I want is to be disrespectful to people making FreeBSD happen. So, I apologize. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:37:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5960216A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7913C46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7bJLG076883; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:37:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7bJv6076880; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:37:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:37:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: <6201873e0708090945m4f9be012t3d95d893a20f8e3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070810093645.D76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <6201873e0708090945m4f9be012t3d95d893a20f8e3c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:35 -0000 > It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for > the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends i would rather recomend not moving away from windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:39:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D0916A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BD413C457 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7cVFX076890; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7cToJ076887; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <20070810093743.O76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Nikola Lecic , Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:39:11 -0000 > FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using > such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface > ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. Granted, it could > be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot of people think that no. it was just more unfortunate to her, because what you learn as a child is then accepted as normal and natural in adult life. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:40:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A261F16A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE6C13C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7ds2T076915; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:39:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7dsYH076912; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:39:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:39:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri In-Reply-To: <499c70c0708091015x738bb60sa80de64cc9969447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070810093848.O76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <499c70c0708091015x738bb60sa80de64cc9969447@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:40:01 -0000 > Start with DesktopBSD 1.6 since it's closer to FreeBSD than PC-BSD if > you need to learn FreeBSD more. both of them should win a similar message at www.freebsd.org "We are not supporting both DesktopBSD and PC-BSD. that's not out products, just loosely based on FreeBSD. Please DO NOT judge FreeBSD based of them" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:43:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5EE16A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCC813C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:43:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7hC5k076954; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:43:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7hBLe076951; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:43:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:43:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert C Wittig In-Reply-To: <46BB458E.30408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20070810094021.U76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> <46BB458E.30408@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:43:20 -0000 > I still do maintain a Windows 2000 machine for my graphics workstation, and > to run my vintage DOS apps. qemu works well. and about DOS apps - few small companies are still using our 18-year old (so really mature ;) DOS apps. when asked if they like me to write new unix version (+lots of adventages here, remote sessions etc.) then don't. they just don't like to pay anymore because this 18-year program JUST WORKS. that's the worst Microsofts (and others) nightmare: To write a program that will be good and will just work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:44:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8529B16A46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC73613C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7hwcg076969; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:43:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7hwZk076966; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:43:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:43:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Nikola Lecic In-Reply-To: <200708091717.l79HHW8R003140@eunet.yu> Message-ID: <20070810094320.E76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091717.l79HHW8R003140@eunet.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:44:17 -0000 > > Sorry, I agree with you, s/GUI/graphic based/ in my post. I've just Yes - graphics based. I use graphics based programs like gimp, links -g, opera, xv & xzgv, gv and xdvi. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:47:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC6516A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293A13C48D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7l8fv076994; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:47:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7l8Uo076991; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:47:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:47:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Nikola Lecic In-Reply-To: <200708091626.l79GQWtT031477@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Message-ID: <20070810094414.G76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> <200708091626.l79GQWtT031477@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , Reid Linnemann , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:47:27 -0000 > sincerely assume that. well here in poland people do see a difference, because computer has to be bought, while windoze can be pirated. in my 320 user network less than ten bought windoze, over 300 uses pirated one, 10 uses my X-terminals. and it's good for microsoft. if police in poland would start catching pirated for real, in 1-2 years windows will be unpopular. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:54:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB9316A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9244213C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7sPnB077046; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:54:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7sPhO077043; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:54:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:54:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20070809184411.GA47552@idoru.cepheid.org> Message-ID: <20070810095310.Y76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> <20070809184411.GA47552@idoru.cepheid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Rolf G Nielsen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:54:42 -0000 > > User-friendliness is obviously subjective. Some people consider a my definition is that user friendly system does what i want, does it right and quickly. simply - it's my slave. not my master. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:55:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C0316A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12A013C46E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7tBnE077059; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:55:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7tBMa077056; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:55:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:55:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Sean Murphy In-Reply-To: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> Message-ID: <20070810095457.H76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:55:24 -0000 > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > make install clean & > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > What am I doing wrong? > >/dev/null ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:58:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6FF16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E84113C461 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7vqiT077094; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:57:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7vqnP077091; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:57:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:57:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" In-Reply-To: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316025049AF@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> Message-ID: <20070810095602.W76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316025049AF@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:58:06 -0000 >to the task. In general, I would say that FreeBSD is not the appropriate >choice for a "user" who is not at least somewhat interested in the how's and why's of the OS. FreeBSD is excellent for average user if accessed through terminal (or X terminal) and configured by system administrator. or quickly - done right way. as administrator it only one and such users may be a lot, the "TCO" is really small. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:59:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678B916A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E90813C457 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7xRVm077127; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:59:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7xRXB077124; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:59:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:59:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> Message-ID: <20070810095809.H76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:59:41 -0000 > I don't really think of entirely unnecessary (for most purposes) server > software as "standard utilities". Speaking only for myself, I *have* > tried MacOS X (and used it in a professional capacity), and I too find it > to be "very little unix" with "lots of bulky overhead". I also find it to be clear. Apple had problems selling their new computers as their older OS was too fast. and they need a marketing words to convince users to switch to new OS X, so they say about it being unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:01:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1769816A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE8F13C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:01:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A81Jp4077142; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:01:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A81JZF077139; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:01:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:01:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Modulok In-Reply-To: <64c038660708091629s306ed106rbef8736e0732989d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070810100032.B76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> <64c038660708091629s306ed106rbef8736e0732989d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:01:27 -0000 > friendly windows clone, you might look into "PC-BSD". It comes out of > the box ready for Windows converts. stop telling about them "friendly". most of thieves are friendly too, just after some time you see money is missing From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:02:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5182D16A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084E013C46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:02:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EC3143AAA; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:02:43 +0300 (EEST) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: Bram Schoenmakers Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:03:06 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101103.07024.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Alex Zbyslaw Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:02:45 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 19:51, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef Alex Zbyslaw: > > Hello, > > > Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > > ># /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh > > >backup@office.example.com \ > > > dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 > > > > bzip2 is darned slow and not always much better than gzip -9. It > > might be that ssh is just timing out in some way (I've seen that but > > not with ethernet dumps specifically). Can you try the test using > > gzip -9 instead of bzip? If that works, then look for ssh options > > that affect timeouts, keepalives etc. In particular, > > ServerAliveInterval 60 in a .ssh/config stopped xterm windows dying on > > me to certain hosts. YMMV :-( > > > > If you have the disk space then you could try without any compression > > at all; or try doing the compression remotely: > > > > /sbin/dump -0 -a -C 64 -L -h 0 -f - / | \ > > /usr/local/bin/ssh backup@office.example.com > > \ > > "gzip -9 > /backup/webserver/root.0.gz" > > > > Otherwise: > > > > Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > > >1) Can you dump the file locally? > > > > > >2) Is scp working? > > > > If you can write (and compress if short of disk space) the dump > > locally and try an scp to your remote host as Nikos is suggesting, > > that will narrow down the problem a bit. Any other large file will > > do: doesn't have to be a dump. > > As I wrote in my initial mail: > > ====== > * Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below > some SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a > reasonable download speed. This really looks like a broken PMTU discovery. Is this still the case? After the firewall changes you did? Things may be different now. But, if a router in the path is filtering all ICMP traffic then the problem will remain. Try this on both hosts: sysctl net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 sysctl net.inet.tcp.mssdflt=1000 (just to be safe, the default on 4.x is 1400, which can be big on 6.x is just 512) Please, just use scp to do your testing. When you rule out the possibility of a problematic network, you will add the (gzip|bzip2) & dump parts. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:02:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C271016A41B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF21613C442 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A82jMD077167; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:02:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A82iAO077164; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:02:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:02:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> Message-ID: <20070810100211.H76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:02:52 -0000 > close. Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? > What about a "desktop-BSD"?? > tested both when i needed some humour :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:03:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7471116A468 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8423E13C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A83Y3c077183; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A83YAJ077180; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Adam J Richardson In-Reply-To: <46BBE17E.9030206@crackmonkey.us> Message-ID: <20070810100317.G76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <566989.72816.qm@web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46BBE17E.9030206@crackmonkey.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Latitude , Mary Evans , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:03:42 -0000 > To be honest I don't think FreeBSD is ready for this yet. It's getting there, when it will be, i will switch to other unix flavour From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:09:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5B216A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-76.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-76.bluehost.com [69.89.22.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9FF913C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 18408 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2007 08:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 08:09:31 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJPYn-0001PO-St for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:09:30 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7A89S9q076973 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l7A89RnK076972 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:09:27 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070810080927.GA76954@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6201873e0708090945m4f9be012t3d95d893a20f8e3c@mail.gmail.com> <20070810093645.D76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070810093645.D76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:09:32 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 09:37:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for > >the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends > > i would rather recomend not moving away from windows. Why? -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] awj @reddit: "The terms never and always are never always true." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:16:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F133D16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jlm@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8C913C469 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jlm@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jlm@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id l7A847M02755; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <20070810180407.24058@caamora.com.au> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:07 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Norberto Meijome References: <20070810102741.11825@caamora.com.au> <20070810134055.54a2c03a@localhost> <20070810143158.40722@caamora.com.au> <20070810161826.647d82e1@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <20070810161826.647d82e1@localhost>; from Norberto Meijome on Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 04:18:26PM +1000 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:16:58 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 04:18:26PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:31:58 +1000 > jonathan michaels wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 01:40:55PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:41 +1000 > > > jonathan michaels wrote: > > > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required by "amaya-gtk" > > > in my box (6.2 STABLE) , it was installed by gettext: > > > [betom@ayiin] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:21 2007] > > > /usr/home/betom > > > $ locate libintl.so.8 > > > /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8 > > that was teh forst thing that i tired and nothing .. no > > responce > > > [betom@ayiin] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:25 2007] > > > /usr/home/betom > > > $ pkg_info -W `locate libintl.so.8` > > > /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8 was installed by package gettext-0.16.1_3 > > that didn;t shw up much either .. "file is not in PATH" > of course, you haven't got the file in the first place :) > pkg_info -W {file} tells you which package (if any) installed that file. Because it's located under /usr/local/, it is highly likely it was installed by a 3rd party package/port , rather than part of the OS > > > but i checked for "gettext" in teh index-6 and in my version, > > either jul 2006 or jan 2007 ( freebsd toolkit or jan 2007 ), is > > a fw revisions earlier than the right one. > > fair enough, i keep mine up to date. you can use > > locate libintl.so > > instead , and see if you have any version of libintl installed. > > If you do have a version of libintl in your system, (highly likely if you have gettext installed), then you can try mapping the calls to libintl.so.8 to libintl.so (which should be a soft link to your version of libintl, ie,so.SOMETHING ). You do this by updating /etc/libmap.conf i found "usr/local/lib/libintl.so" and "/usr/local/lib/libintl.so.6" > a line like > > libintl.so.8 libintl.so how about "libintl.so.8 libintl.so.6" ??? > should do the trick. > > TFM is @ man libmap.conf :) would this live in /etc/libmap.conf ?? or in /usr/local/etc/libmap.conf ?? or somewhereelse ?? > > looks like i'm going to have to upgrad teh whole lot .. grrr. > > do you know where i can get the whole packages tree ? norberto > > ?? > not necessarily , it may work with updating libmap.conf this sounds good, very good indeed, thank you thank you, norberto. kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:47:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B8D16A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A922213C45D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 23651 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 03:47:06 -0500 Received: from 203-206-233-219.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.233.219) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 03:47:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:47:02 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: jonathan michaels Message-ID: <20070810184702.0dd8020b@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070810180407.24058@caamora.com.au> References: <20070810102741.11825@caamora.com.au> <20070810134055.54a2c03a@localhost> <20070810143158.40722@caamora.com.au> <20070810161826.647d82e1@localhost> <20070810180407.24058@caamora.com.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:47:07 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:07 +1000 jonathan michaels wrote: [....] > > > > > but i checked for "gettext" in teh index-6 and in my version, > > > either jul 2006 or jan 2007 ( freebsd toolkit or jan 2007 ), is > > > a fw revisions earlier than the right one. > > > > fair enough, i keep mine up to date. you can use > > > > locate libintl.so > > > > instead , and see if you have any version of libintl installed. > > > > If you do have a version of libintl in your system, (highly likely if you have gettext installed), then you can try mapping the calls to libintl.so.8 to libintl.so (which should be a soft link to your version of libintl, ie,so.SOMETHING ). You do this by updating /etc/libmap.conf > > i found "usr/local/lib/libintl.so" and "/usr/local/lib/libintl.so.6" yes, a few -RELEASE boxen i manage have that too > > how about > > "libintl.so.8 libintl.so.6" ??? sure - but if / when u upgrade libintl.so.6 to, say, .7. or .8, it will break. .so (no version @ end) will still be there. > > > should do the trick. > > > > TFM is @ man libmap.conf :) > > would this live in > > /etc/libmap.conf ?? or in > /usr/local/etc/libmap.conf ?? or somewhereelse ?? > good point, never tried with /usr/local/etc - it is /etc/libmap.conf , from the man page: FILES /etc/libmap.conf The libmap configuration file. /etc/libmap32.conf The libmap configuration file for 32-bit binaries on 64-bit system. Best, B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it. But that it is too low... and we reach it." Michelangelo (1475-1564) I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:02:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C748116A41B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A907713C457 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id l7A92RJX040655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:02:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id l7A92QBd040616; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 ([192.168.200.61]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA04686; Fri, 10 Aug 07 01:56:06 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:57:38 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Message-Id: <46bc2882.TI+Z9rtlEFmBGJQV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: X + WM != GUI? (Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI") X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:02:31 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text > and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, > there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. I am not following this. If (X.org + some WM) is not a GUI, how would you define * a GUI * X.org + some WM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:02:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E54A16A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482D813C474 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.23.2] (62-31-10-181.cable.ubr05.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.10.181]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F973E000453; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:02:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BC29B8.5050904@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:02:48 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061205 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bram Schoenmakers , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091704.31952.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <46BB2730.8090702@dial.pipex.com> <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Nikos Vassiliadis Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:02:54 -0000 Bram Schoenmakers wrote: >> If you can write (and compress if short of disk space) the dump >> locally and >> >>try an scp to your remote host as Nikos is suggesting, that will narrow >>down the problem a bit. Any other large file will do: doesn't have to be a >>dump. >> >> > >As I wrote in my initial mail: > >====== >* Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some >SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable >download speed. > > Sorry, didn't pick up the thread until late in the day. If this is the case, gzip over bzip2 is not likely to be the answer, nor is any SSH keepalive option (though they'd be easy to try *just in case*). Other than Nikos' PMTU suggestions I don't have much to offer. You could try another ethernet card if you have one to see if that makes any difference; or you can do some creative monitoring with tcpdump to see what traffic is being sent (try to exclude the actual ssh transfer); can you try the scp with *no* firewall in place; this is straw clutching. Presumably *some* data does actually arrive at the other end? --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:38:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3E16A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1158013C457 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from phoenix (hnvr-4db2f91c.pool.einsundeins.de [77.178.249.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F63DA44529 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:36:16 +0200 (CEST) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:38:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46bc2882.TI+Z9rtlEFmBGJQV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <46bc2882.TI+Z9rtlEFmBGJQV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101138.43372.wundram@beenic.net> Subject: Re: X + WM != GUI? (Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI") X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:46 -0000 Am Freitag 10 August 2007 10:57:38 schrieb perryh@pluto.rain.com: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text > > and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, > > there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. > > I am not following this. If (X.org + some WM) is not a GUI, > how would you define He probably equates a desktop environment (such as KDE/Gnome/etc.) to a GUI. Which is wrong, of course: GUI is just any form of "graphical user interface", which X fits nicely. -- Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:49:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9BC16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD9813C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A9nKT8077858; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:49:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A9nKBr077855; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:49:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:49:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" In-Reply-To: <200708101138.43372.wundram@beenic.net> Message-ID: <20070810114813.K77848@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46bc2882.TI+Z9rtlEFmBGJQV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <200708101138.43372.wundram@beenic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X + WM != GUI? (Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI") X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:49:29 -0000 >> I am not following this. If (X.org + some WM) is not a GUI, >> how would you define > > He probably equates a desktop environment (such as KDE/Gnome/etc.) to a GUI. most people exactly equates that and i stated i that such defined GUI is completely useless and actually takes over time and resources. but you are right - of course > Which is wrong, of course: GUI is just any form of "graphical user > interface", which X fits nicely. X+wm. X alone doesn't provide any GUI. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:50:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1744416A481 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E49013C4B0 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A9oAP3077871; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:50:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A9oAGX077868; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:50:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:50:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20070810080927.GA76954@demeter.hydra> Message-ID: <20070810114930.G77848@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <6201873e0708090945m4f9be012t3d95d893a20f8e3c@mail.gmail.com> <20070810093645.D76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070810080927.GA76954@demeter.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:50:25 -0000 >>> It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for >>> the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends >> >> i would rather recomend not moving away from windows. > > Why? because only windows is truly windows like. there is nothing like "better windows" while there are lot of better software. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:58:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0816A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE2413C4E8 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A9veYn077932; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:57:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A9veC6077929; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:57:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:57:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" In-Reply-To: <200708101138.43372.wundram@beenic.net> Message-ID: <20070810115119.G77848@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46bc2882.TI+Z9rtlEFmBGJQV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <200708101138.43372.wundram@beenic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1323670960-1186739860=:77848" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Windows style computing (was Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI") X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:58:04 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1323670960-1186739860=:77848 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Gdańsk technical university there was a man about 50 years teaching people unix (mostly). what he talked very often: --- DO NOT use windows EVER. Not because it's slow, not because it crashes, and not because it can't do much. Not because of security too. But because it's teaching BAD HABITS. ---- Now we widely see the effects. Milions of people hates windows because it's slow, it crashes, it's insecure, and not much usable. But they are unable to switch to anything else because of these bad habits. And the new market for such people was created. But again - not to cure their habits, but to KEEP them, with "better windows". There are linux-based "better windows", FreeBSD-based "better windows", and whatever. if anyway really like to change, he/she has to change her/his habits. And it WILL TAKE MONTHS (or years) of WORK! sorry but it will. there is no shortcut --0-1323670960-1186739860=:77848-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 10:27:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C05416A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4A613C4CB for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AARnjf078116 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:27:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7AARnuG078113 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:27:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:27:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0000 on FreeBSD 7.0 i mean is it stable enough to be used on FreeBSD/amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 10:36:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1127F16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B940613C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so499813wxd for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.11.1 with SMTP id 1mr2368496wxk.1186742194747; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.189.230.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h38sm5118954wxd.2007.08.10.03.36.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:36:35 -0400 To: User Questions Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <20070810094414.G76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200708091626.l79GQWtT031477@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> <20070810094414.G76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20070810063133.B044.GERARD-SEIBERT@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.31 [en] From: Gerard Subject: Re[2]: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: User Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:36:36 -0000 On August 10, 2007 at 03:47AM Wojciech Puchar wrote: > well here in poland people do see a difference, because computer has to be > bought, while windoze can be pirated. I was not aware of any place where they gave computers away. > in my 320 user network less than ten bought windoze, over 300 uses pirated > one, 10 uses my X-terminals. So, you have 300+ criminals working for you. How secure does that make you feel? > and it's good for microsoft. if police in poland would start catching > pirated for real, in 1-2 years windows will be unpopular. Either that, or the criminal act of pirating software will become outmoded. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 10:43:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088C016A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@gahr.ch) Received: from cpanel03.rubas-s03.net (cpanel03.rubas-s03.net [195.182.222.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4FB13C46A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@gahr.ch) Received: from 80-218-187-205.dclient.hispeed.ch ([80.218.187.205] helo=gahrtop.localhost) by cpanel03.rubas-s03.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IJRxs-0006bO-Aa; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:43:32 +0200 Message-ID: <46BC4155.20803@gahr.ch> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:43:33 +0200 From: Pietro Cerutti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitarou Kamo , User Questions , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <46BAD8F3.1050403@trio.plala.or.jp> <46BBE66E.4040202@trio.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <46BBE66E.4040202@trio.plala.or.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=9571F78E; url=http://www.gahr.ch/pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig61AFDB399D9B982CAC7813C6" X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel03.rubas-s03.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gahr.ch X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: none of wpa_passphrase X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:43:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig61AFDB399D9B982CAC7813C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eitarou Kamo wrote: > I have posted this mail to mobile list. Just to make sure, I'll forward= > to this list too. >=20 > Eitarou >=20 > Eitarou Kamo wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >> I used wpa _supplicant and was aware none of wpa _passphrase. >> My machine is 6.2 REREASE. Does anyone have it or way to making it? These kind of generic questions are better suited for freebsd-questions@, i doubt. Anyway, from man 8 wpa_passphrase: The wpa_passphrase utility is a small program for generating a 256-bit pre-shared WPA key from an ASCII passphrase and a given SSID. The output is formatted for inclusion in wpa_supplicant.conf(5). Example: I have an access point with ssid MySSID and passphrase MyS3cr3t: > wpa_passphrase MySSID # reading passphrase from stdin MyS3cr3t network=3D{ ssid=3D"MySSID" #psk=3D"MyS3cr3t" psk=3Dc0964594a3000e7605ef17097f7d939a44e516f05b99806fd862db5934c2= e4d4 } The output is ready to be included in your wpa_supplicant.conf file (better removing the commented line where the password is in clear text).= >> >> Eitarou --=20 Pietro Cerutti PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp --------------enig61AFDB399D9B982CAC7813C6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGvEFZwMJqmJVx944RCpYlAKCwQu0aU586dT7qEb2oA2L6z0YBiQCgqN+S 8DvYVEkvIIZysGiTL9C8T+o= =p/lH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig61AFDB399D9B982CAC7813C6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 10:51:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D57716A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16D313C474 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE3C143AD8; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:51:22 +0300 (EEST) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:51:44 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101351.44950.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:51:25 -0000 On Friday 10 August 2007 13:27, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > on FreeBSD 7.0 > > i mean is it stable enough to be used on FreeBSD/amd64 See the relative thread. I recall that amd64 and at least 1GB of RAM were recommended. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-June/073972.html Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:53:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7D716A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3EE13C45B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7A7qv33077021; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:52:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7A7quJq077018; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:52:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:52:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Rolf G Nielsen In-Reply-To: <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> Message-ID: <20070810094800.V76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:28:46 +0000 Cc: Nikola Lecic , Latitude , Reid Linnemann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:53:17 -0000 > idea how, and I was expecting a nice "user-friendly" GUI, like Windoze, but > without the constant crashes. that's what most people expect. and thats why i say: Windows it the most windows compatible system available. don't change to other. > > In 1999 I purchased "The complete FreeBSD, 3rd edition" with CDs included, in Poland there are lots of books available about linux, none of them actually learning anything :) > and this my second try was a lot more sucessful. I was still after a fancy > GUI, but this time I got things working. Not without effort though. that's good. it forced you to learn. > Where most Windoze users find Windoze user-friendly, I find it user-hostile, > because it hides the simplest things under tons of graphics. that's makes money. educated and intelligent customer is the worst customer! unaware/stupid one will buy everything that will solve the problems (and create 2 times more). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 11:48:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CFB16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFF113C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 07:48:25 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id NQO09155; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 65-78-26-179.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([65.78.26.179]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 07:48:23 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18108.20615.177571.94952@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:48:23 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070810095457.H76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> <20070810095457.H76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:48:26 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > > make install clean & > > > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > >/dev/null The /process/ is running in the background. The /output/ - stdout and stderr, file descriptors 1 and 2 - are still connected to the terminal. If you really want to make the output vanish, try: make install clean >& /dev/null & for (t)csh and (I think): make install clean 2>&1 /dev/null & for (ba)sh. My personal practice when compiling is not to direct all output to /dev/null. If the 22 hour build of OpenOffice blows up, and the output has vanished, you may have to start over. Instead, send it to a log file which can then be discarded if everything goes well. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 11:56:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6799A16A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF04613C442 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so244876nfb for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:56:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=mPsEX6K1EeEAMTGqDUjU2KFcOfDUBbDkt+wE9Un2JDu648bHhAOTJP+lPkttbDxtfYRs5JGtxQS4VHKjsa2uj4u37wbm/9nGIN61dxStTzRfsvoqSaL911ybX04lCbijXrG3i6jLb1oYmuwWh2Aawq4dcZ+mS3JnMjcDyMPaxo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=lJf6vLHVYBLL9kzPzQvKw9bLyZ/ej6QQ/g8tH1GHXG5R3JpA0Om3bjDGd+oWo9Y9kEAwpd9DP4CTacsxJmzPz5qMAZtgXdyQoIafjmFQVLsBpZR57J6iaMaXd3WABSyiqwjvqLZza9SM1Lsgi8KT1+ENKTfEve5n9mSP5IXiTSo= Received: by 10.78.183.15 with SMTP id g15mr1279688huf.1186746992138; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f3sm2837548nfh.2007.08.10.04.56.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BC5269.5060207@crackmonkey.us> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:56:25 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions References: <200708091626.l79GQWtT031477@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> <20070810094414.G76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070810063133.B044.GERARD-SEIBERT@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20070810063133.B044.GERARD-SEIBERT@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:56:34 -0000 Hi Gerard, Gerard wrote: > I was not aware of any place where they gave computers away. In the UK we call them "skips". Not sure what the rest of the world calls them. [Large metal junk containers placed at the back of large buildings near the other bins. They're usually hired rather than owned. Perfectly good computers are often found within.] Most of my CRT monitors come from skips. There's no shame in skipdiving when you can't afford hardware. :) Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 12:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657C816A41B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A7A13C483 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so495807uge for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:09:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=UIgBPJMVDK+ftku/ddEv2rUaxJol9ElQwt5oFT/Z9ldzf9CJfUCIHCIiaH2mMFeWA+wMThAltmEjGu5W7Ta6l4qhSXruOyaajBUkYwVhkMSA+mMqIoWh6sNwEcAFcQBtzsJlcD1vwmLqvd4kiEvUT7/hSyBqsVFQaqnX5ZAGn1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=qca24CfhCtUJiyjkt/wnGgb2RnKAHwtguVlcAufDbMsSQ7Vt7/UGvQxILjT/mgEHrvIggTyNl+ukSMz1xiVEfFwpLh9Zfv4nQXCcGVomRTdkgoryfopWoij+bYp+IYLWTccFe9vp1kK2THRzyrBOWXudR6uAMezYl5GidGK3J78= Received: by 10.66.225.17 with SMTP id x17mr3060277ugg.1186747762297; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c22sm4991888ika.2007.08.10.05.09.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BC556D.8020709@crackmonkey.us> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:09:17 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <080920071232.28864.46BB09770001C036000070C0220075033008099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net> <200708092234.52861.bastill@adam.com.au> <46BB458E.30408@sbcglobal.net> <20070810094021.U76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070810094021.U76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Cc: Robert C Wittig , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:09:24 -0000 Hi Wojciech, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > and about DOS apps - few small companies are still using our 18-year old > (so really mature ;) DOS apps. when asked if they like me to write new > unix version (+lots of adventages here, remote sessions etc.) then don't. > they just don't like to pay anymore because this 18-year program JUST > WORKS. That reminds me of my last job. It's a big multinational company [let's call it Torus, for no particular reason] but knows almost nothing about computing. They're using some old database software from 1000000000000 years BC. There's no security on it at all. I was able to use M$ Excel to peek inside it at the data. Unfortunately when I did that I locked absolutely everyone in the company out of the database at the same time. Heh. There's an example of a program that's old and sucks. Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 12:10:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6CD16A41B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjk32@cam.ac.uk) Received: from ppsw-4.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-4.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8761D13C469 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjk32@cam.ac.uk) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from jonwin.eng.cam.ac.uk ([129.169.125.203]:58767) by ppsw-4.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.154]:465) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:cjk32) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IJT3k-0005nr-D9 (Exim 4.63) for questions@freebsd.org (return-path ); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:53:40 +0100 Message-ID: <46BC51C3.1020103@cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:53:39 +0100 From: Christopher Key User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Remove ports dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:10:12 -0000 Hello, I recently tried to install vim from the ports collections, however I didn't do it with 'WITHOUT_X11', and accordingly it went off and installed X + presumably a whole load of dependencies which I really don't want. Is there any way to get a list of exactly what it added so that I can go and remove it cleanly? Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 12:33:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6D516A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3CD13C483 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so760961fka for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Kb6lFAcIIcqjojNYH7WVCvtOMTCdHKt8iGfwnNLNLdJrgYlbx43NmRL5zJAGyqMpCt9OseRS+2e40Z4DDD1UGm9uhjF39u9eXv0WlUpeLob4rjBxxaTEZYpz32nJVkthHxn+XCkvpzwiroEKxZnbC9UFIB1axzktUZ6+nA6dE9Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=DCCjaxlevAknbLHq0nm2SZ8kDweWwn1YaPqjl7XdCoEhWvqx13tGHM+XPZ5mMRK9FcNqRYKl07o4OKNlsWFvUghupZtPCYu/SLlYLDe6MXa5+TkQhXhlfEHwqgTvbnlgn/G7mRwoNlWiHA1ULNLWgrg/My7oWEHiPBgCUyhn9bQ= Received: by 10.82.106.14 with SMTP id e14mr3742920buc.1186749220333; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm5744427nfh.2007.08.10.05.33.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BC5B1F.7030208@crackmonkey.us> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:33:35 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Hinton References: <18107.29558.834358.66922@gargle.gargle.HOWL> In-Reply-To: <18107.29558.834358.66922@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cheap (supported) wifi card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:33:42 -0000 Don Hinton wrote: > Could someone recommend a good (and > cheap) one that's includes a/b/g*/n and is supported, either natively > or via ndis? Hi Don, I can heartily recommend any card based on the TNET1130 chipset. They work very well with ndisgen. Examples include the Add-on Tech GWP-100 and the Belkin F5D7 series, such as the F5D7051 USB key or the F5D7000 cardbus card. They're all cheap. They do "a", "b" and "g". I'm not sure about "n", though. HtH, Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 12:38:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3818A16A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.xs4all.nl [82.95.223.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40EB13C46A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7ACddVK084696; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:39:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l7ACddqK084695; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:39:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:39:39 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Christopher Key Message-ID: <20070810123939.GA84642@ei.bzerk.org> References: <46BC51C3.1020103@cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BC51C3.1020103@cam.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ei.bzerk.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove ports dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:38:45 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Christopher Key typed: > Hello, > > I recently tried to install vim from the ports collections, however I > didn't do it with 'WITHOUT_X11', and accordingly it went off and > installed X + presumably a whole load of dependencies which I really > don't want. Is there any way to get a list of exactly what it added so > that I can go and remove it cleanly? the command "pkg_deinstall -nR vim" (this command is port of the portupgrade package) will give you a list of all packages vim depends on. Removing the 'n' switch will actually upward-recursively deinstall these packages, excluding the ones that are needed by other packages. Then rebuild vim WITHOUT_X11 ;) cheers, Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 12:50:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5955016A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vps1.solepartners.com (vps1.solepartners.com [85.233.167.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA60913C46E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7407 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 12:50:38 -0000 Received: from 150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net (HELO prawn.unsane.co.uk) (212.84.117.150) by vps1.solepartners.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 12:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <46BC5F1D.5020507@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:50:37 +0100 From: Vince User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:50:40 -0000 I've been using it just for the /usr/ports on my i386 laptop for a while (dual core T2300 @ 1.66GHz with 1 gig Ram:) (jhary@prawn)$sudo zpool history tank History for 'tank': 2007-04-11.10:45:56 zpool create tank ad0s4a 2007-04-11.10:46:35 zfs create tank/ports 2007-04-11.10:47:06 zfs set compression=gzip tank/ports 2007-04-11.10:53:29 zfs set mountpoint=/usr/ports tank/ports 2007-05-11.09:31:37 zpool scrub tank 2007-08-08.12:31:44 zpool scrub tank 2007-08-09.14:51:52 zfs set atime=off tank with no issues. With appropriate tuning I also now run my home server (personal email server, samba and nfs server for music/video/documents) which is again i386 with 3 gigs memory with /usr and /var on zfs mirrors. for this I did have to set kern.maxvnodes=40000 vfs.zfs.zil_disable="1" vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable="1" vfs.zfs.arc_max="83886080" vm.kmem_size_max="536870912" for it to survive a portsnap fetch && portsnap extract without running out of kernel memory. since then its run with no issues. I'm told that FreeBSD/amd64 is a better choice for zfs though as "with a 32bit kernel you are more likely to experience problems with KVA shortage than you are RAM shortage when using ZFS." Also see the thread starting: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-June/073972.html for reports from people using it (back in zune true but its only going to have improved since :) Vince Wojciech Puchar wrote: > on FreeBSD 7.0 > > i mean is it stable enough to be used on FreeBSD/amd64 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 13:29:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C91F16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from florenzi@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F8513C461 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from florenzi@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1432126pye for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:29:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aHQn/NB54BlNdq+nDVENH50PUdJmuX/Z3m6KLxjicYvw01DWoCP7kTw2nRIHifIe6IjNjBs583KyjELPgA8SmsHCILfD/3CfQQLHKFcMLZNz5v4WsNmLT7uE9wHwZ362MgujdbB3JCGd8r5CVGKBKU5oVIQ0LhE/kaneUuYzaYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Tt61LWbzLsRFotR84feiRU7KU6pXQFHWml1VQ9fowxh3YAQtGU6ZMTg6dqF9yLgchbb7obFADt23wPoc7Ml9rKe4h5VOB3zeuAcp3nN4EtQ+V2Pt4Zj4xRxVRpG7mueCV5GXGMdqDoES9hoVa1SaGnjXg1ZZg5d5tm0BPo7IHhQ= Received: by 10.64.193.2 with SMTP id q2mr5027546qbf.1186752586861; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.91.18 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3a386af20708100629v18cd19e0wec652b9115aa04f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:29:46 +0200 From: "Federico Lorenzi" To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: DUP! Pings with if_lagg configuration. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:29:48 -0000 Hi there. I'm trying to set up a link between a two mini FreeBSD servers of mine using if_lagg in loadbalance mode and two NIC cards in each box. They are also on the same switch. Both machines are the latest 6-stable. After following some simple instructions in the man page, each machine is configured as follows: Machine 1: rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 00:e0:4c:ff:38:7e media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active lagg: laggdev lagg0 rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 00:e0:4c:ff:38:7e media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active lagg: laggdev lagg0 lagg0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.6 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 00:e0:4c:ff:38:7e media: Ethernet autoselect status: active laggproto loadbalance laggport: rl1 flags=4 laggport: rl0 flags=4 Machine 2: xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=9 inet6 fe80::201:2ff:fea8:da61%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:01:02:a8:da:61 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lagg: laggdev lagg0 dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=8 inet6 fe80::201:2ff:fea8:da61%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ether 00:01:02:a8:da:61 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lagg: laggdev lagg0 lagg0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.7 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 inet6 fe80::201:2ff:fea8:da61%lagg0 prefixlen 64 duplicated scopeid 0x4 ether 00:01:02:a8:da:61 media: Ethernet autoselect status: active laggproto loadbalance laggport: dc0 flags=4 laggport: xl0 flags=4 Now, while this setup is working, the speeds seem to be terrible! A FTP from machine 1 to machine 2 goes at 4MB/s. Both PCs are 2.4ghz P4s so I doubt the CPU is limiting that. Something which I also noticed was that pinging the machines from a non lagg configured box gave me: PING 192.168.1.6 (192.168.1.6): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.6: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.643 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.6: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.712 ms (DUP!) ^C --- 192.168.1.6 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, +2 duplicates, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.474/0.586/0.712/0.096 ms And pinging the boxen from each other gave me: PING 192.168.1.7 (192.168.1.7): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.7: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.460 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.7: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.464 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 192.168.1.7: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.548 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 192.168.1.7: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.549 ms (DUP!) ^C --- 192.168.1.7 ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, +3 duplicates, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.460/0.505/0.549/0.043 ms Any help in solving this would be greatly appreciated! Federico From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 13:30:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7BB16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michi@villawels.de) Received: from olymp.villawels.de (olymp.villawels.de [83.120.7.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0415A13C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michi@villawels.de) Received: from [10.0.1.50] (fluffy.villawels.de [10.0.1.50]) by olymp.villawels.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7ADJa6Z012405 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:19:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michi@villawels.de) Message-ID: <46BC65E0.2000208@villawels.de> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:19:28 +0200 From: michi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.12) Gecko/20070509 Thunderbird/1.5.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <80f4f2b20708020819l69e054a1ia070efba2b04d2ad@mail.gmail.com> <20070802160938.GA77822@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20070802160938.GA77822@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (olymp.villawels.de [83.120.7.11]); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:19:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3908/Thu Aug 9 23:32:41 2007 on olymp.villawels.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: attaching a terminal to 'join' another? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: michi@villawels.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:30:55 -0000 > The next-best is to use the /usr/sbin/watch command to attach to an > existing tty and see its screen output. You'll need to rebuild your > kenel and add the "snp" device (or load it as a module). > not necessariliy build new kernel sudo kldload snp will do also From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 13:49:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9AF16A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80DA13C494 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 130276115-1860479 for multiple; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:49:37 -0400 Message-ID: <46BC6CED.4010901@chrononomicon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:49:33 -0400 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rolf G Nielsen , User Questions References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> In-Reply-To: <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:49:37 -0000 Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > Reid Linnemann wrote: > >> My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She >> saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know >> why i was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of >> the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the >> machine. Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd >> find a lot of people think that something has to have more blinky >> lights and chrome to be better or faster. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine > (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can > complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any > longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything > running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice > "user-friendly" GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. > > In 1999 I purchased "The complete FreeBSD, 3rd edition" with CDs > included, and this my second try was a lot more sucessful. I was still > after a fancy GUI, but this time I got things working. Not without > effort though. > > Over the years since I first tried FreeBSD, my ideas about ease of use > have changed quite a lot. I no longer define user-friendliness based on > what I can do in the GUI; actually, I'm often annoyed by all the menus, > submenus and all the whistles and bells. It's really a lot easier to > edit a text file to change some setting, than browsing through heaps of > buttons, drop-down lists and all that. I think what everyone seems to be missing is that you know something about your computer. You want a directory? "Dir." Unless you're using Unix. Then it's "ls." How would you have known this without some background in using the system, if you were just plunked down in front of it? (Jurassic Park..."Hey! I know this!") For people interested in computers, it isn't a chore to learn about various commands or even learning how to learn about commands. It's not a chore to learn how the system works. For computer oriented people the user-friendliness bar is far higher in tolerance than for your average user. The computer user is as enthused about learning how to find a file (or know where the hell they're storing the #@!$! file...) as I am finding out the differences among radial tire options for my car or what the building codes are for my home when remodeling or learning why my tax forms are so @#$%! difficult to navigate through. User friendliness means they *don't need to think about a task*, and they will put up with a small amount of hassle to achieve a task as long as it isn't a pain in the arse for them to get from A to B. Sorry, but the quickest way for them to sit down and figure something out without having to refer to extra books and cheatsheets is by a (well designed) GUI. It can give them something to experiment with, and the interface presents them with a pointer and a mouse and menus to hint at options rather than a directionless blinking cursor. They can interact with it. If well designed, it can guide them through tasks. The command line is MUCH faster for many tasks, given that you know what you're doing with it. Train someone on a rote task and the command line would be just fine for what they would do. "Type this...then this...then this...then hit enter...then print this..." and the CLI is very user friendly. For users to feel comfortable on their own or in doing something flexible, the GUI is just more comfortable for them and it reduces the need to actually have to think. So it does little good for presumably tech-oriented people to proclaim how the command line is leaps and bounds friendlier/faster to use. Anyone who does user support should know that the average user would be required to think in order to use the system if it simply presents them with a flashing cursor. What do I do? What do I type? Does it read English? What is my paperwork even called? And before I reach for the asbestos suit, yes, there's a learning curve to GUIs. But the GUI still makes them more comfortable than using the keyboard. Crimony, the given the inability for people to even use the words LOSE and LOOSE properly, why the hell would anyone think the masses would find the keyboard more intuitive or easier to use with computers than a simple palm-sized plastic block with a button on it? Until computer interfaces are as easy to use as the LCARS system on the Enterprise or the computer interface on Atlantis (Stargate, if you're unfamiliar), the most comfortable thing for users to interact with will be pretty pictures and dancing eye candy to act as a reinforcement and reward for users who don't give a #!#% about how or why the computer works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:07:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF1916A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7132A13C45A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AE7jw3079494 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:07:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7AE7jwh079491 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:07:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:07:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070810160723.T79490@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: -current snapshot as amd64 live CD/DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:07:57 -0000 does such thing exist? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:21:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD0D16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD9513C46A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AELOYq079640; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:21:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7AELODO079637; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:21:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:21:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Vince In-Reply-To: <46BC5F1D.5020507@unsane.co.uk> Message-ID: <20070810162056.I79630@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BC5F1D.5020507@unsane.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:21:35 -0000 thanks for quick answers. i will definitely take a risk after reading all of this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:48:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC7516A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from mx-outbound01.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [205.210.42.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6529413C469 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com [69.12.173.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx-outbound01.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4257F70 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (slider.shadypond.com [192.168.1.11]) by slider.shadypond.com (postoffice) with ESMTP id 5B1ADB65D7 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Pollywog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:33 +0000 References: <46BB75D0.3080200@calarts.edu> <200708091613.20539.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <200708100429.03072.mtx@edoxx.eu> In-Reply-To: <200708100429.03072.mtx@edoxx.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101448.33656.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Subject: Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:48:42 -0000 On Friday 10 August 2007 01:29:02 Valentin Bud wrote: > > A good ideea would be to build screen static. In case you > update your system, it is possible that the libraries on which screen > depends might be deleted. To do so > # make CONFIGURE_ENV=LDFLAGS="-static" build > # make install > that will create a binary screen which is not dynamically linked with the > libraries. > and of course don't forget man screen This is a good idea. I used screen once when updating the system remotely and I was locked out because of some libraries problem. I had to physically go to the machine to get back in and finish what I was doing. Thanks for the tip. I know I will be making use of it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:52:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1D316A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (wintermute.cepheid.org [64.92.165.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22D113C4A3 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 6FA791710C; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:52:53 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20070810145253.GA85496@idoru.cepheid.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erik Osterholm , Jerry McAllister , "V.I.Victor" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070809220254.GA81490@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809220254.GA81490@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: "V.I.Victor" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:52:54 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:02:54PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:25:17PM +0000, V.I.Victor wrote: > > > > > It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only > > turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. > > > > I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a > > single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. > > > > Is there a command-line utility to write a byte at a specified offset > > into a file? > > You could try 'dd' and manipulate the skip/offset and size arguments. > > ////jerry If you use vim, you can do this using vim and xxd: http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/usr_23.html#23.4 Skip down to the section entitled "USING XXD." Don't forget to convert it back before you save! Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 15:29:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED29416A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.rajamani@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A913613C4CE for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.rajamani@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so359898nzf for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QgmizT5ZnT5PFp+ikRZnHmcpfBJ7tf9RiUn1s0SuczX4d8+OCcL1PrC72rJTy/2KJHIh+58nibEbEvBO5jdiwu+flcKc9bKHOQWtG0HkIUFl+ZVJC6y0tYYkX/54b2AmNwRN1vh61oYW1DFWnWF5a6U2wDbQo4GgS6qknSgE1UE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jdcD69JZSeagPZ/g4HOWVAarGNZ6I94hM5MR+e1/XIdEFtAVDJyz1Uu4hVp+3ceQtpDrQuzzZWu2T8aXkTRapoQggSc52nzxS/hY39hXgQhHKDqT4sEPdlyYi5vhD7vkqnV5tVO2+e1T5unxhJC2alilUKIdUHkOm4MMFMb+U00= Received: by 10.64.213.3 with SMTP id l3mr5184822qbg.1186758236850; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4af955a20708100803k6f7ed623yc1ac15b3214129d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:03:56 -0400 From: "Rajarajan Rajamani" To: "Erik Osterholm" , "Jerry McAllister" , V.I.Victor , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070810145253.GA85496@idoru.cepheid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070809220254.GA81490@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20070810145253.GA85496@idoru.cepheid.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:29:36 -0000 On 8/10/07, Erik Osterholm wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:02:54PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:25:17PM +0000, V.I.Victor wrote: > > > > > > > > It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only > > > turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. > > > > > > I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a > > > single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. > > ////jerry > > If you use vim, you can do this using vim and xxd: > > http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/usr_23.html#23.4 > Using vim is one way to do it and in case you are not familiar with vi/vim you can use xxd on the command line to change your binary file into text, edit the byte you want to change (since you know the byte to be changed) and reconvert back to binary. % xxd infile outfile_txt edit the outfile using your favorite editor (assuming it will take the big file) % xxd -r outfile_txt fixed_infile That should do it too. Raj From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 15:39:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3845816A41B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from ker.oderland.com (ker.oderland.com [213.115.231.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E353613C46C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=[172.25.0.40]) by ker.oderland.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJVRY-0006O7-Ux; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:26:49 +0200 Received: from [172.25.0.40] ([213.114.218.31] helo=[172.25.0.40]) by ASSP.nospam; 10 Aug 2007 16:26:18 +0200 Message-ID: <46BC7593.3050600@pean.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:26:27 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Ankerst=E5l?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BC5F1D.5020507@unsane.co.uk> <20070810162056.I79630@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070810162056.I79630@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ker.oderland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pean.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Vince , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:39:02 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > thanks for quick answers. i will definitely take a risk after reading > all of this. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Sorry. Heh. I missed the "Re:" and the rest of the thread. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 16:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F55616A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from ker.oderland.com (ker.oderland.com [213.115.231.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2457413C480 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=[172.25.0.40]) by ker.oderland.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJVPB-0005en-Jh; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:23:57 +0200 Received: from [172.25.0.40] ([213.114.218.31] helo=[172.25.0.40]) by ASSP.nospam; 10 Aug 2007 16:23:52 +0200 Message-ID: <46BC74FF.2040606@pean.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:23:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Ankerst=E5l?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BC5F1D.5020507@unsane.co.uk> <20070810162056.I79630@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20070810162056.I79630@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ker.oderland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pean.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Vince , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:39:54 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > thanks for quick answers. i will definitely take a risk after reading > all of this. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I've used it on my laptop since it was released for FreeBSD but what do you mean real? Production environment? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:02:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id 4753616A419; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:01 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20070810170201.4753616A419@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:01 +0000 (UTC) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Cc: Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:01 -0000 How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $ This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. ===================================================================== Contents: I: Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V: How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction =============== This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"). Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions ============================================== When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from freebsd-questions-request@FreeBSD.ORG. In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list! If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions/me@me.org (obviously, substitute your mail address for "me@me.org"). You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org with the word 'help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. Normally, Mailman will remind you of your freebsd.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as grog@lemis.de. Since then, I have changed it to grog@lemis.com. If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to FreeBSD-questions. If that's the case, you'll have to figure out which one it is and get your name taken off that one. If you're not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a clue there. If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things out for you. Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't help you. III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? ========================================= Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD, FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers. In some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask. The following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however: If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ). There's a list of these questions at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html, and also on your own system (once you've installed it) at /usr/share/doc/en/books/faq/index.html. Check there, and if you don't find an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions. Examples might be questions about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility. If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure, or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to FreeBSD-questions. If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. You should also enter a problem report with the send-pr utility. If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet Service Providers) who run FreeBSD. If you happen to be an ISP, this doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to FreeBSD-isp. The criteria above still apply, and it's in your interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good results that way. IV: How to submit a question ============================= When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the following points: 1. Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you follow these rules. It's much more possible to not get an answer if you don't. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message: they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests them. Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject. ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. When sending a new message, well, send a new message. Don't reply to some other message, erase the old content and change the subject line. That leaves an In-reply-to: header which many mail readers use to thread messages, so your message shows up as a reply to some other message. People often delete messages a whole thread at a time, so apart from irritating people, you also run a chance of having the message deleted unread. 4. Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. A lot of badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly configured mailers. The following mailers are known to send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them: Eudora exmh Microsoft Exchange Microsoft Internet Mail Microsoft Outlook Netscape As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent offenders. If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer. If you must use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set up correctly. Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which don't get on very well with MIME. For further information on this subject, check out http://www.lemis.com/email.html. 5. Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to look. 6. Don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 7. Specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No route to host'''. If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'''. If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the configuration. Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file? 8. If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend the message. Wait at least 24 hours. The FreeBSD mailer offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to get through. And once it gets through, the one person who might know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part of the world. 9. If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- V: How to follow up to a question ================================= Often you will want to send in additional information to a question you have already sent. The best way to do this is to reply to your original message. This has three advantages: 1. You include the original message text, so people will know what you're talking about. Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out, though. 2. The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to put one in, didn't you?). Many mailers will sort messages by subject. This helps group messages together. 3. The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the previous message. Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages, showing the exact relationships between the messages. VI: How to answer a question ============================ Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider: 1. A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to answering questions. Read them. 2. Has somebody already answered the question? The easiest way to check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all together. If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean that you shouldn't send another answer. But it makes sense to read all the other answers first. 3. Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been said? In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much, although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software. If you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further relevant information. 4. Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express himself very well. Even with the best understanding of the system, it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question. This doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question more frustrated or confused than ever. If nobody else answers, and you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more information. 5. Are you sure your answer is correct? If not, wait a day or so. If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI CD-ROM with a frog?". 6. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. Many people on the FreeBSD-questions are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to by others. If you take a message which is of general interest off the list, you're depriving these people of their information. Be careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with hundreds of CCs. If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc: lines appropriately. 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format, just reply to the submitter, not to the list. You can just send him this message in reply, if you like. $Id: Howto-ask-questions,v 1.6 2005/08/10 02:21:44 grog Exp $ _______________________________________________ Thanks to Josh Paetzel for updating this document to describe mailman. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:02:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id 4DFEE16A469; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:01 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20070810170201.4DFEE16A469@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:01 +0000 (UTC) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Cc: Subject: "The Complete FreeBSD": errata and addenda X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:01 -0000 The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception. Inevitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. "The Complete FreeBSD" has been through a total of five editions, including its predecessor "Installing and Running FreeBSD". Two of these have been reprinted with corrections. I maintain a series of errata pages. Start at http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata information. Note also that the book has now been released for free download in PDF form. Instead of downloading the changed pages, you may prefer to download the entire book. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ for more information. Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing? Please let me know: I'm no longer constantly updating it, but I may be able to help Greg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:30:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5195416A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601F613C48A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AHU3UX051484 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:30:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7AHU36r051480 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:30:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:30:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070810192908.P50900@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: compiling -current X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:14 -0000 i did cvs -z9 checkout and started buildworld i have CPUTYPE?=pentium3 in /etc/make.conf and things are compiled that way: cc -fpic -DPIC -O1 -pipe -march=pentium3 why -O1? not O2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:46:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325F916A421 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC1C13C469 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7AHkGcd026533; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l7AHkG2S026532; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:46:15 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Steve Franks Message-ID: <20070810174615.GC26327@thought.org> References: <20070810011648.GA19606@thought.org> <539c60b90708092124t51930f7ay4654fb05b6c8f302@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <539c60b90708092124t51930f7ay4654fb05b6c8f302@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:46:18 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 09:24:00PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > My experience with PC-BSD was that it was just different enough to > break alot of FreeBSD's documentation, and they don't have enough of > their own. I was a newbie, of course, but I went with vanilla FreeBSD > because of the handbook and freebsd-questions, and I've no regrets. > Been at least 9 months. Course I like to hack. > I've hacked some of the src code when I *had* to, but my main goal is to have a for-fun server which is easy to maintain and where most ports work. Desktop-BSD sounds lkie the better choice if PC-BSD isn't easy to upgrade. ...Then again, since FBSD keeps improving, maybe it/we have the "real" Desktop:-) OTOH, is PC-BSD upgrades *everything* when you go from, say, 1.4 to 1.4.1 (every six months), no package management system would be necessary. --I really do understand the problems the ports/packages stuff has. I've been using FBSD since 2.0.5-- One of the faults with Ubuntu (aside that its filesystem eats/ate some files) is that to upgrade means risking disaster if you hit/bump/strike the wrong key. > Steve > [[ ... ]] > > > > I've used PC-BSD, and agree with Jonathan - it's package management > > system is a bit funky. It's real FreeBSD, but... > > > > I've also used Freesbie, which is a live CD with (last I looked) an > > XFCE4 desktop, and I liked it. In particular, I liked that it would > > install itself to your machine if you told it to do so, and then it > > became just a standard FreeBSD install. That was about a year ago, > > though, so I expect it's even better now. > > > > Kurt Thanks for everyone's comments, onlist and off. The only question I haveleft is how to install PC- or Desktop-BSD. Do I download a couple floppies and install from there, buy a CD or DVD, or download a CD's worth of binaries? I'm wedged with a slow DSL/IDSN link, so it suck 600+ MB over the wire means 15 hours. gary > > > -- > Steve Franks, KE7BTE > Staff Engineer > La Palma Devices, LLC > http://www.lapalmadevices.com > (520) 312-0089 -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:48:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC79716A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9987A13C461 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D001A4D88; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F0BACBA1E; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:48:33 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20070810174833.GA6098@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070810192908.P50900@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070810192908.P50900@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compiling -current X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:48:34 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 07:30:03PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i did cvs -z9 checkout and started buildworld > i have CPUTYPE?=pentium3 in /etc/make.conf and things are compiled that > way: > > cc -fpic -DPIC -O1 -pipe -march=pentium3 > > > > > why -O1? not O2 gcc optimizer bugs, see the mailing list archives or cvsweb. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:49:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1731916A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from viefep18-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5122D13C48A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [89.98.221.195]) by viefep18-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070810174946.IQZL1375.viefep18-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.100]>; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:49:46 +0200 From: Bram Schoenmakers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:49:45 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708101103.07024.nvass@teledomenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200708101103.07024.nvass@teledomenet.gr> X-Face: &[!|}QvdlkzFIu, |mW.\-Ci1t2d@CEo+#Q14@XM9*@`S, @l*5r-m!\, , kFc:ZlD62]6/>=?utf-8?q?=5B=0A=09Ovg=3BN=5Bqk=3B=60w6=3D5abys2!H+EUYcEDJ?==?utf-8?q?=25lo=26d67gO=2E!/=0A=09w?=@YD{YH]Ebe{@|(qtKgoum%{-=qXlf.+/`^E<'!m"?5d<&C(:B+p*KjP'-Knv!6U<=?utf-8?q?1W!=7EZ=0A=09P3ee-=7BfAb-i+MsJHM?=@ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101949.45425.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Cc: Nikos Vassiliadis Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:49:49 -0000 Op vrijdag 10 augustus 2007, schreef u: Hi, > This really looks like a broken PMTU discovery. > > Is this still the case? After the firewall changes you did? > Things may be different now. But, if a router in the path > is filtering all ICMP traffic then the problem will remain. > > Try this on both hosts: > sysctl net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 > sysctl net.inet.tcp.mssdflt=1000 (just to be safe, > the default on 4.x is 1400, which can be big > on 6.x is just 512) > > Please, just use scp to do your testing. > When you rule out the possibility of a problematic > network, you will add the (gzip|bzip2) & dump parts. > > Nikos Thank you for those suggestions, it's appreciated. Although I get the same results with setting those values both on the server and on the client. SCP starts full speed, but at 20% of the 200 MB file it starts to stall. All ICMP traffic was open on both firewalls at that time. Hmmm.... Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. (Punch, 1855) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:50:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AEF16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmiranda@123.com.sv) Received: from asgard1.americatelsal.com (asgard.americatelsal.com [200.13.161.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B6813C480 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmiranda@123.com.sv) Received: (qmail 20766 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2007 17:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.124?) (200.13.161.68) by asgard1.americatelsal.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 17:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <46BCA74A.3060202@123.com.sv> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:58:34 -0600 From: Miguel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <46BB71BA.9090908@123.com.sv> <200708092026.l79KQbD4022971@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> In-Reply-To: <200708092026.l79KQbD4022971@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reconfigure a port after install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:50:03 -0000 Nikola Lecic escribiĂł: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:57:46 -0600 > Miguel wrote: > > >> Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now >> i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql >> support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on >> it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? >> Im using portinstall btw, >> thanks >> > > Hello, > > First change sasl options, then forcefully recompile it with depending > ports. Asuming you've chosen SASL2 option for Postfix: > > # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 > # make config > [choose MYSQL option] > # portupgrade -f -r cyrus-sasl2 > > Nikola LeÄŤić > Thanks Nikola, it made the trick, Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 18:04:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0255616A421 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from eskimo.tundraware.com (eskimo.tundraware.com [66.92.130.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAF813C459 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [66.92.130.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by eskimo.tundraware.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7AI4OV4042248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:04:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <46BCA829.3090408@tundraware.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:02:17 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk Organization: TundraWare Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-tundraware.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.399, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: FreeBSD 6 and 'mailman' Issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tundra@tundraware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:37 -0000 I've installed mailman from both the current ports and packages and noted a common problem. It seems that after a clean install, sometime later, permissions are getting changed on its directory tree. In going through the various /etc/periodic entries, I don't see where this is getting done. There is some very brief discussion of this in the mailman docs, but I'm still slightly confused. So..., I guess the question is, how to do I install mailman such that check_perms does not grumble about things like this: directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testing.mbox directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testing directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testing/2007-August directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/lists/testing Problems found: 4 Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix Do I need to install mailman with some special flag set or is there a way to keep whatever is doing this from clobbering the permissions? FWIW, I am running sendmail with MailScanner/clamav/spamassassin. There are thus three running instances: root 1066 0.0 0.1 4492 2588 ?? Ss 11:00PM 0:10.65 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) root 1073 0.0 0.1 3640 2232 ?? Is 11:00PM 0:00.03 sendmail: Queue runner@00:15:00 for /var/spool/mqueue (sendmail) smmsp 1081 0.0 0.1 3508 2112 ?? Is 11:00PM 0:00.03 sendmail: Queue runner@00:15:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 18:42:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC8716A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cb@severious.net) Received: from ion.gank.org (ion.gank.org [69.55.238.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A44913C461 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cb@severious.net) Received: by ion.gank.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E83671178F; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:42:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:42:14 -0500 From: Craig Boston To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20070810184214.GA921@nowhere> Mail-Followup-To: Craig Boston , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070810122714.D78112@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using ZFS for real? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:42:16 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 12:27:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > on FreeBSD 7.0 > > i mean is it stable enough to be used on FreeBSD/amd64 It depends what you mean by "real". I'm using it for everything (including root) on several systems: 1 amd64 machine in a desktop role * single SATA disk 1 i386 machine in a server role (with only 512MB RAM) * raidz over 3 ATA100 disks 4 i386 machines in desktop roles * two are single disk setups * one is a 3 disk raidz (SATA) * one is a 1GB compactflash card in a PCMCIA converter (diskless laptop) 1 bootable USB flash memory stick (i386 kernel) that I sometimes plug in to random machines. It's a 2GB stick and is configured with lots of desktop stuff but is also handy for hardware tests and recovering stuff off broken windows machines. gzip compression really shines here I also have a couple of external USB hard drives that have a zpool on them. One of them is geli encrypted. The other holds the src/obj/ports filesystems for my flash-based systems, so it gets plugged in and zpool import/export'd a lot when there are updates. My recipe generally involves setting vm.kmem_size to somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of physical RAM size, and reducing kern.maxvnodes to somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of its autotuned value. I sometimes disable prefetch, but honestly I can't tell a difference between it being on or off. Craig From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 18:43:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A886316A469 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from viefep15-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC5A13C4A7 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [89.98.221.195]) by viefep15-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070810184344.CDWD20781.viefep15-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.100]>; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:43:44 +0200 From: Bram Schoenmakers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nikos Vassiliadis Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:43:42 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200708091025.43912.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708091851.14649.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> <200708101103.07024.nvass@teledomenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200708101103.07024.nvass@teledomenet.gr> X-Face: &[!|}QvdlkzFIu, |mW.\-Ci1t2d@CEo+#Q14@XM9*@`S, @l*5r-m!\, , kFc:ZlD62]6/>=?iso-8859-1?q?=5B=0A=09Ovg=3BN=5Bqk=3B=60w6=3D5abys2!H+EUYcEDJ?==?iso-8859-1?q?=25lo=26d67gO=2E!/=0A=09w?=@YD{YH]Ebe{@|(qtKgoum%{-=qXlf.+/`^E<'!m"?5d<&C(:B+p*KjP'-Knv!6U<=?iso-8859-1?q?1W!=7EZ=0A=09P3ee-=7BfAb-i+MsJHM?=@ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708102043.43553.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Cc: Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:43:47 -0000 Op vrijdag 10 augustus 2007, schreef Nikos Vassiliadis: Hi, Some more info: > But, if a router in the path > is filtering all ICMP traffic then the problem will remain. No most probably not. I live a few 100m from the office, having the same type of internet connection and the same provider. The traceroute from the client to office/my house is identical until the last but one hop. And I just succeeded to dump it to my own computer (running Gentoo Linux, I think the same modem, and a pretty default router in between). So either the cable modem or the server (running IPF) at the office is the culprit then. Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. (Punch, 1855) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 18:51:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E83F16A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF6E13C45E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7AHQjva004699 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AHQkgB024993 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Doug Poland" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/3909/Fri Aug 10 10:10:24 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Resolution problem with i810 and Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:51:32 -0000 Hello, I've got a Compaq nx7400 running on 6.2-STABLE with Xorg 7.2. Despite my best efforts, I'm unable to get the screen into 1680x1050 resolution. I have followed the instructions in the handbook but the issue appears to be getting /dev/agpgart recognized. Here's some relevant data... host% kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 20 0xc0400000 729b34 kernel 2 1 0xc0b2a000 597c vesa.ko 3 1 0xc0b30000 1d684 linux.ko 4 1 0xc0b4e000 129e0 snd_hda.ko 5 2 0xc0b61000 23e38 sound.ko 6 1 0xc0b85000 16db0 agp.ko 7 1 0xc0b9c000 5d6b0 acpi.ko /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section "Module" snip Load "dri" snip EndSection Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 330 210 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "LPL" ModelName "1279" Modeline "1680x1050" 122.00 1680 1712 1776 1904 1050 1051 1054 1066 -hsync -vsync Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "i810" VendorName "Intel Corporation" BoardName "Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller" BusID "PCI:0:2:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1680x1050" EndSubSection EndSection /var/log/Xorg.0.log snip (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 7872 kB (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Controller (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Hardware Version 0.0 (II) I810(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 945GM (--) I810(0): Chipset: "945GM" (--) I810(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xE0000000 (--) I810(0): IO registers at addr 0xF4400000 (==) I810(0): Write-combining range (0xf4400000,0x80000) was already clear (II) I810(0): 2 display pipes available. (II) I810(0): detected 7932 kB stolen memory. (II) I810(0): Kernel reported 0 total, 0 used (II) I810(0): I830CheckAvailableMemory: 0 kB available (WW) I810(0): /dev/agpgart is either not available, or no memory is available for allocation. Using pre-allocated memory only. (II) I810(0): Monitoring connected displays enabled (--) I810(0): Pre-allocated VideoRAM: 7932 kByte (--) I810(0): VideoRAM: 7932 kByte (==) I810(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe (**) I810(0): page flipping disabled (==) I810(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) I810(0): BIOS Build: 1305 (==) I810(0): Device Presence: disabled. (==) I810(0): Display Info: enabled. (II) I810(0): Broken BIOSes cause the system to hang here. If you encounter this problem please add Option "DisplayInfo" "FALSE" (II) I810(0): Display Info: CRT: attached: FALSE, present: TRUE, size: (1280,1024) (II) I810(0): Display Info: TV: attached: FALSE, present: TRUE, size: (1024,768) (II) I810(0): Display Info: DFP (digital flat panel): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,2059) (II) I810(0): Display Info: LFP (local flat panel): attached: TRUE, present: TRUE, size: (1680,1050) (II) I810(0): Display Info: Second (second CRT): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,2059) (II) I810(0): Display Info: TV2 (second TV): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,2059) (II) I810(0): Size of device LFP (local flat panel) is 1680 x 1050 (II) I810(0): No active displays on Pipe A. (II) I810(0): Currently active displays on Pipe B: (II) I810(0): LFP (local flat panel) (II) I810(0): Lowest common panel size for pipe B is 1680 x 1050 (==) I810(0): Display is using Pipe B (--) I810(0): HW Cursor disabled because it needs agpgart memory. (--) I810(0): Maximum frambuffer space: 7784 kByte (II) I810(0): VESA VBE PanelID read successfully (II) I810(0): PanelID returned panel resolution : 1680x1050 to the Device section of your XF86Config file. snip (II) I810(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) I810(0): clock: 122.0 MHz Image Size: 331 x 207 mm (II) I810(0): h_active: 1680 h_sync: 1712 h_sync_end 1776 h_blank_end 1904 h_border: 0 (II) I810(0): v_active: 1050 v_sync: 1051 v_sync_end 1054 v_blanking: 1066 v_border: 0 (II) I810(0): LGPhilipsLCD (II) I810(0): LP154W02-B1K5 (II) I810(0): EDID (in hex): (II) I810(0): 00ffffffffffff00320c791200000000 (II) I810(0): 000f0102802115780abca59554528c27 (II) I810(0): 23505400000001010101010101010101 (II) I810(0): 010101010101a82f90e0601a10402040 (II) I810(0): 13004bcf100000190000000000000000 (II) I810(0): 00000000000000000000000000fe004c (II) I810(0): 475068696c6970734c43440a000000fe (II) I810(0): 004c503135345730322d42314b3500b2 (II) I810(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: (II) I810(0): Modeline "1680x1050" 122.00 1680 1712 1776 1904 1050 1051 1054 1066 -hsync -vsync (--) I810(0): A non-CRT device is attached to pipe B. No refresh rate overrides will be attempted. (--) I810(0): Maximum space available for video modes: 7784 kByte snip (II) I810(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 60.00-66.32 kHz (II) I810(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh value of 60.00 Hz (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name) (II) I810(0): 21992 kBytes additional video memory is required to enable tiling mode for DRI. (II) I810(0): 11240 kBytes additional video memory is required to enable DRI. (II) I810(0): Disabling DRI. (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1280x1024 (pitch 1280) (**) I810(0): Built-in mode "1280x1024" (**) I810(0): Display dimensions: (330, 210) mm (**) I810(0): DPI set to (98, 123) So all I get out of this flat panel is 1280x1024, which distorts the shape horribly because of the different aspect ratio. Any hints, clues, pointers are very welcome! -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:00:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0189716A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EFB13C45D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7AINNnG059741 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:23:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l7AINNwU059738 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:23:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:23:23 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070810133045.B99453@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Can not make a 6.2 ISO image X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:00:27 -0000 My goal was to make an cdrom that I could use with a serial console. I downloaded an iso image, burned a cdrom and used that cd to make a file tree with: tar -cf - -C /mnt/ . | tar -xpf - -C 6.2-RELEASE/ The du command shows essentially the same size for the cdrom and the file tree: 1020444 /mnt (cdrom) 1053224 6.2-RELEASE/ The difference of about 31MB is almost entirely in /usr (24MB). I took this to be the difference in internal/external fragmentation between isofs and ufs. However mkisofs builds an ISO image of 1GB. Whatever my error is, it is not due to missing hard links (I think). The du sums and counting files with find all this matches. I could not find anything in GNATS on mkisofs. Is there another way to build an iso image? If anyone can see what I did wrong or where my analysis is off I would really appreciate the help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:08:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FF616A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A318413C4B3 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from [192.168.125.134] ([192.168.125.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AJ8er0075518 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:08:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:08:39 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101408.39581.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: Resolution problem with i810 and Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:08:44 -0000 On Friday 10 August 2007 12:26:46 Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a Compaq nx7400 running on 6.2-STABLE with Xorg 7.2. Despite > my best efforts, I'm unable to get the screen into 1680x1050 > resolution. I have followed the instructions in the handbook but the > issue appears to be getting /dev/agpgart recognized. > > Here's some relevant data... ...[snip] were you using the sysutils/915resolution ? -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:19:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536CB16A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFDA13C45E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7AJIxcg006211; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:19:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AJJ0hA025347; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:19:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:19:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <27887.208.49.58.254.1186773540.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <200708101408.39581.freebsd@dfwlp.com> References: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> <200708101408.39581.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:19:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Doug Poland" To: "Jonathan Horne" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/3909/Fri Aug 10 10:10:24 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution problem with i810 and Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:19:07 -0000 On Fri, August 10, 2007 14:08, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Friday 10 August 2007 12:26:46 Doug Poland wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I've got a Compaq nx7400 running on 6.2-STABLE with Xorg 7.2. >> Despite my best efforts, I'm unable to get the screen into >> 1680x1050 resolution. I have followed the instructions in the >> handbook but the issue appears to be getting /dev/agpgart >> recognized. >> >> Here's some relevant data... > ...[snip] > > were you using the sysutils/915resolution ? > nope -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:39:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E3416A41B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:39:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberbuzzard@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8722C13C45B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberbuzzard@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so329997nfb for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:39:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BZk5pbtCBqeO/c3tC2SJbYWjHf5LknAwGA9NBub443b+7Y+fDzuSQFbPnWtEpLxinhh54Cm1BlafeCnMfwQOb+aw/VFzf0qrjMa6lHg22edOT70K9JzJzr1Zmw861qf1Wv8L2q0mMhCfDrhSQs9+XGOKSlGNl3Njvf9CL/3UiiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gHdlA3J85jh/01roNqh4JtqaIaXDKIxGOL0lndnwaq3fCc57Iba4/qcjnkRygsaYYhuABjEN8qy/VQVW/i6TOeQ6GI6PGQzoM9so8n/Gu1IHOHyZgo5DZE6EjCG4uKqwx2w9N/ZL74dNxVyLqEoKu/rv5bzlpwLC0eTpBPclSPQ= Received: by 10.78.145.5 with SMTP id s5mr1476215hud.1186774792690; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.193.12 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <716841580708101239h73a54308id9a935f6bec3238b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:39:52 -0600 From: "Oscar Chavarria" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Matrox Video Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:39:55 -0000 I tried the Xorg web page but I couldn't confirm if the *Matrox G550 32MB AGP (G55+MDHA32DB) *is specifically compatible with FreeBSD 6.1. Where do I obtain information for this specific card drivers' compatibility? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Oscar Chavarria Mobile: +506 814-0247 --- In a world without boundaries, we don't need Windows or Gates --- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:41:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D317A16A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (smtpclu-7.eunet.yu [194.247.192.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4552913C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:41:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-211-191.eunet.yu [213.198.211.191]) by smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7AIZlSa001259; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:35:49 +0200 Message-Id: <200708101835.l7AIZlSa001259@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:36:05 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20070810160723.T79490@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070810160723.T79490@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_20,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: -0.7 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current snapshot as amd64 live CD/DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:41:03 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:07:45 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > does such thing exist? You can make it yourself with sysutils/freesbie. Please read FreeSBIE documentation, start with e.g. http://wiki.freesbie.org/iso_creation Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:52:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AD616A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348BA13C46E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so406799nzf for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UoJtBf1ZQyAJcaKZxrIuEu/uicxdNVhaWiiWa9tA1Yshcn9v3B1FCamCJAPj1Ux9/pgByyuSW/H7C/n9r3MXoZ9zaFLoDRFiH2TjFSE5h0y3QmxeEPHt+4PqIwxYiTODwCcH+94UhHwZkTYEf1nK0flw3Apw4Ku+XEtDOTjg9CY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FxeerAF6NqpklUcdwsK+YmE4FVmOZmP2c5J/jB4BlRztgaxuw7qLi8AUEP5qE9XBmvRTZMkRLhhOAbYR88CThG3YJnvEpnq3xh3rRzembtzqbUeyXE/X8IhamVCJWocsaRwEcr3gH7dOCBnqe8kTeV66tt4dne/RxthAAc4nrOI= Received: by 10.142.254.8 with SMTP id b8mr149724wfi.1186775573381; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.10.17 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26ddd1750708101252o531bf67g17e1bcf9095cdc73@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:52:53 -0400 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Need clarification on file system parameters (using newfs). X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:52:55 -0000 Hello, I'm installing FreeBSD 7.0 (200606 snapshot) on my laptop just to play around with it out, and I wanted to learn a little bit more about the way FreeBSD organizes the available disk space. Let me tell you what I think I understand about it, and I ask that you please correct me if something is wrong or elaborate a bit more on how everything is related. So first of all, what I'm going to do is use geli full-disk encryption and boot the system from a usb drive. I have an 80GB hard drive, which also has Win XP installed on it. I allocated 20 gigs for windows, about 5 gigs for a shared FAT32 partition in case I need to transfer files between Windows and FreeBSD, and the rest is a geli-encrypted bsd partition. So that's what I want to ask about. As I understand it, a disk is divided into 512 byte sectors, and that is the smallest addressable unit of space. I'll use geli to initialize the entire third partition, bsdlabel it, and finally create all the file systems. Geli offers an option to change the default sector size for better performance, and the recommendation is to use 4KB. Am I correct in assuming that if I do this, then all file systems using this encrypted volume will have 4KB as the smallest addressable unit of space? Once I've created my geli volume, I attach it, label it, and use newfs to prepare everything for use. By the way, this is a bit off-topic, but how does 1GB for /, 2GB for swap (I have 1GB of ram), 1GB for /var, and the rest for /usr sound? I plan to symlink /home to /usr/home and that way have plenty of space for user data and installed software. I haven't done this type of setup before, so thought I'd ask if it is a good idea. Anyway, I'm looking through newfs man page and see several terms that I'm not exactly familiar with. Or rather I am familiar with them, but am not sure how they relate to the finished product (i.e. my file system). First there is the block size set by default to 16KB, and fragment size set to 1/8 of block size. I'm assuming that a block is a group of sectors, but how does fragment size fit into the picture? Does FreeBSD take X number of sectors, make them into a block, and then divide each block into fragments? If so, since the underlying geli layer is using 4KB for sector size, would it make sense for me to modify block and fragment sizes to something a bit bigger? I guess what I'm really unsure about is say I create a file with 1 byte of data in it. What gets allocated? Does that file take up an entire block, or does it get a single fragment? If fragment, then what is the purpose of blocks? There is also the -i option which sets "density of inodes in the file system". It also states that "one inode is required for each distinct file," so when set to 4 * frag-size with frag-size being 2KB, does my 1 byte file end up taking 8KB in the end? If you can, please help me link all these parameters together so I can get a picture of how the file system is actually organized. Also, given what you know about my setup, I'd appreciate any advice for tuning these values to get the best performance for a laptop (i.e. optimized for running user programs as opposed to daemons). Thanks, Maxim Khitrov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 20:15:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF9116A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from mx-outbound01.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [205.210.42.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BCB13C4D0 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com [69.12.173.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx-outbound01.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291737F9D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (slider.shadypond.com [192.168.1.11]) by slider.shadypond.com (postoffice) with ESMTP id A6851B65D7 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Pollywog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708102015.01023.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Subject: ldap server and client conflicts, with Postfix and Courier in the mix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:10 -0000 I want to install the LDAP server but it complains that it conflicts with LDAP client: ===> openldap-server-2.3.37 conflicts with installed package(s): openldap-client-2.3.37 However, attempting to remove the client to make room for the server results in another complaint: pkg_delete: package 'openldap-client-2.3.37' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: courier-authlib-ldap-0.59.3 postfix-2.4.5,1 What can I do? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 20:25:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4216A468 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.movaqar@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543B313C478 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.movaqar@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f1so663827rvb for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:25:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=E2UxcwPHZhg31PaXZu6QIa072YInu85ebprjxzh0HP03+AnfjW+hWaral8lkGSnHSO3UotZQsxTAcfXF6Jh6wJvOe+kFdlSVZ/UVp108bizWmJ8UF6tEV12qEYxPYxAMDZWtHjpqdZcCl7kJXLRiVahsP/2gExC8h7U7PrupIoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eCusCLyaXbJt0YYy2acNjVuZXF4M6Sa7UU/YqtSp0MX7EdfmNmDrEW+7Z/CQp+CNJqNW84NT0oeYR54sZlCuXrWestvoL9WyeXIZQgEjEXeo8TOdP5bFaiBymx94ISXRkJy3/hkwznYYnyU553fTM7ZsfDif+Ewri2omXpAo0d8= Received: by 10.114.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr4048260wac.1186775927100; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.132.6 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6d62f69a0708101258h60bbcb3ct872a81043edee942@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:28:47 +0330 From: "Bahman M." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Overwritten ldconfig default search path X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:25:50 -0000 Hi all, I issued the following command which as you may guess has overwritten ldconfig default search path. % sudo ldconfig -i /etc/ld.so.conf That ld.so.conf contained a few directories which I wanted to include in the search path. Now as a result the system has stopped functioning. Are there any workarounds? What is the default search path? Does it help if I feed ldconfig with the default search path? And for future to avoid this silly mistake: Should I use the -m switch in similar cases? Thanks in advance. Bahman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 20:44:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0503116A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeletonman.bn@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B071D13C4D5 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeletonman.bn@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1615881pye for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jb4WSTLWPhhQlH8i7TtkO1h/UG6XFQ6enJMNrFzHOXiEVwPQ1gGJIxbtsO6XgM2vJRZ1hV9Iv+356ETghTZJuyceiyZqOz1SK9AmdLvd3DwZWiyvY4dILW9621NZDZpL/gSf09rDtMs0qjzEKgigDuFbyXNvmyGCSHYIa4u2RKk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MOCYhT6OhTc7zB5KIi82vejm0+b1a3O9b3OS7UnB7kN2RDS9/p682+U59BQRbR639OAItZ/Qvg8fRanTh8kDX8/P86bBvXovYs6yg+1SnweK5oGtG4i8t0YbPWYwsjgKKBWiONDwknp7M7Hmhds4w7HIwOzmj0YtiVSlWT8kK6Q= Received: by 10.35.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr5458868pyl.1186778656403; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.49.5 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:44:16 -0500 From: Cyrus To: freebsd-questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Proliant 8500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:44:18 -0000 I have installed freebsd 6.2 stable on a proliant 8500 via ftp because the ida driver steals the number from the cdrom driver (as i have read). after installation is there a way to regain controll of my cdrom with out disabling my raid controller? Cyrus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 20:49:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6477C16A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7D213C491 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from photon.locolomo.org (65.4-35-10-static.wifi.locolomo.org [10.35.4.65]) by strange.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DB92E01E; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:30:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46BCCAC9.2070705@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:30:01 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pollywog References: <200708102015.01023.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> In-Reply-To: <200708102015.01023.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ldap server and client conflicts, with Postfix and Courier in the mix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:49:46 -0000 Pollywog wrote: > I want to install the LDAP server but it complains that it conflicts with LDAP > client: > > ===> openldap-server-2.3.37 conflicts with installed package(s): > openldap-client-2.3.37 > > However, attempting to remove the client to make room for the server results > in another complaint: > > pkg_delete: package 'openldap-client-2.3.37' is required by these other > packages > and may not be deinstalled: > courier-authlib-ldap-0.59.3 > postfix-2.4.5,1 I think the conflict is mostly a question of the order things were installed. When you install the server then it also installs the client side which it can't because it's already there. But, ofcourse, these should not conflict. This c(sh)ould be solved by deinstalling the listed packages and install the server, then the reinstall the remaining packages. Alternatively, you can force deinstall the client or simply override the warning. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 21:02:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC2216A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:02:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FF913C458 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from [192.168.125.134] ([192.168.125.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AL2etT078130 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:02:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:02:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> <200708101408.39581.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <27887.208.49.58.254.1186773540.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <27887.208.49.58.254.1186773540.squirrel@email.polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101602.40291.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: Resolution problem with i810 and Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:02:44 -0000 On Friday 10 August 2007 14:19:00 Doug Poland wrote: > nope im 99% sure thats where your solution will lie. http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/ cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 21:10:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB1416A46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074A513C474 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-305956.home.otenet.gr [85.73.242.194]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l7ALAhaX022699; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:10:44 +0300 Message-ID: <46BCD453.7080204@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:10:43 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Chavarria References: <716841580708101239h73a54308id9a935f6bec3238b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <716841580708101239h73a54308id9a935f6bec3238b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Matrox Video Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:10:46 -0000 Oscar Chavarria wrote: > I tried the Xorg web page but I couldn't confirm if the *Matrox G550 32MB > AGP (G55+MDHA32DB) *is specifically compatible with FreeBSD 6.1. > > Where do I obtain information for this specific card drivers' compatibility? > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Regards > > Oscar Chavarria > Mobile: +506 814-0247 > > > Try man mga. This is the generic matrox driver for Xorg. In my xorg 7.2 the model G550 is mentioned. I don't recall what Xorg FreeBSD 6.1 had, but this an old card and is probably supported. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 21:23:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4335216A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-42.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-42.bluehost.com [69.89.18.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1268413C45B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 18024 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2007 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2007 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJbxF-0002m2-PJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:23:34 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7ALNW6F080585 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l7ALNVhp080584 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:23:31 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070810212331.GA79852@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6201873e0708090945m4f9be012t3d95d893a20f8e3c@mail.gmail.com> <20070810093645.D76834@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070810080927.GA76954@demeter.hydra> <20070810114930.G77848@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070810114930.G77848@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:23:35 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 11:50:10AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for > >>>the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends > >> > >>i would rather recomend not moving away from windows. > > > >Why? > > because only windows is truly windows like. there is nothing like "better > windows" while there are lot of better software. Your phrasing indicated a preference for recommending MS Windows over recommending PC-BSD. It didn't appear to specifically make a point about how MS Windows is the best MS Windows because it's the only MS Windows, from what I saw. Apparently, however, that's what you meant. Thanks for clearing that up. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: "The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 21:31:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFE216A419 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189E413C45E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 17:31:19 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id NQP55676; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 65-78-26-179.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([65.78.26.179]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 17:31:14 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18108.55586.849782.226926@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:31:14 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46BCD453.7080204@otenet.gr> References: <716841580708101239h73a54308id9a935f6bec3238b@mail.gmail.com> <46BCD453.7080204@otenet.gr> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Matrox Video Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:31:20 -0000 Manolis Kiagias writes: > > I tried the Xorg web page but I couldn't confirm if the *Matrox > > G550 32MB AGP (G55+MDHA32DB) *is specifically compatible with > > FreeBSD 6.1. > > Try man mga. This is the generic matrox driver for Xorg. In my xorg 7.2 > the model G550 is mentioned. I don't recall what Xorg FreeBSD 6.1 had, > but this an old card and is probably supported. I would also commend investigation of x11-servers/mga_hal. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 21:58:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252E616A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Viraj.Dixit@CityofPaloAlto.org) Received: from xmail.cityofpaloalto.org (cerberus.city.palo-alto.ca.us [199.33.32.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEEF13C45D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Viraj.Dixit@CityofPaloAlto.org) Received: from xpo.staff.copa ([172.17.1.12]) by xmail.cityofpaloalto.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:46:49 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:46:49 -0700 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <1181755431.1161.24.camel@soundwave.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Samba Install on BSD 5.4 Thread-Index: Acet358J5g11CZOsQJSnGmXMZBY2kwtt7iEg From: "Dixit, Viraj" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2007 21:46:49.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4CE64A0:01C7DB97] Subject: Samba Install on BSD 5.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:58:54 -0000 Folks, I have downloaded the latest Samba file from samba site. I have unzipped the file and have configured it as requested. Anyone out there installed Samba on Free BSD 5.4. Please indicate any problem that I will encounter and any issues with Samba. Thanks, VJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 22:32:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511E916A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjk32@cam.ac.uk) Received: from ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B3A13C465 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjk32@cam.ac.uk) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from gw.cjkey.org.uk ([88.97.163.222]:3902 helo=[192.168.2.186]) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.150]:465) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:cjk32) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IJd24-0005BI-0C (Exim 4.63) for questions@freebsd.org (return-path ); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:32:36 +0100 Message-ID: <46BCE783.2010407@cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:32:35 +0100 From: Christopher Key User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <46BC51C3.1020103@cam.ac.uk> <20070810123939.GA84642@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20070810123939.GA84642@ei.bzerk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Remove ports dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:32:40 -0000 Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Christopher Key typed: > >> Hello, >> >> I recently tried to install vim from the ports collections, however I >> didn't do it with 'WITHOUT_X11', and accordingly it went off and >> installed X + presumably a whole load of dependencies which I really >> don't want. Is there any way to get a list of exactly what it added so >> that I can go and remove it cleanly? >> > > the command "pkg_deinstall -nR vim" (this command is port of the portupgrade > package) will give you a list of all packages vim depends on. Removing the 'n' > switch will actually upward-recursively deinstall these packages, excluding > the ones that are needed by other packages. > Then rebuild vim WITHOUT_X11 ;) > > cheers, > Ruben > Thanks Ruben, portupgrade contained a lot more tools that I wasn't aware of. In the end, I ripped everything out and started afresh. I do have another query though; pkg_cutleaves is supposed to show you a list of of packages upon which nothing depends. In theory this means that there should be nothing in this list beyond the ports I've explicitly installed. However, I do seem to have gained autoconf, automake, gmake, help2man and libtool. Am I right in thinking that these were required for building / installing something at some point, but that nothing would break if I were to remove them? Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 22:47:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCD116A417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8009F13C461 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 18:47:21 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id NQP70651; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 65-78-26-179.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([65.78.26.179]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2007 18:47:21 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18108.60153.355168.203495@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:47:21 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46BCE783.2010407@cam.ac.uk> References: <46BC51C3.1020103@cam.ac.uk> <20070810123939.GA84642@ei.bzerk.org> <46BCE783.2010407@cam.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: Re: Remove ports dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:47:22 -0000 Christopher Key writes: > I do have another query though; pkg_cutleaves is supposed to show > you a list of of packages upon which nothing depends. In theory > this means that there should be nothing in this list beyond the > ports I've explicitly installed. This theory is incorrect. > However, I do seem to have gained autoconf, automake, gmake, > help2man and libtool. Am I right in thinking that these were > required for building / installing something at some point, but > that nothing would break if I were to remove them? I'm not sure about help2man, but for the others: yes. The price will be having them automatically reinstalled every time a port is built which uses them. While doing so will not take long ... none of these is a space-hog, nor do they adversely affect system operation. General practice is to leave them be. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 22:47:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FD016A4AC for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7642813C45D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7AMlFX2004801; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20070810174517.025b5700@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:46:55 -0500 To: "Dixit, Viraj" , From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: References: <1181755431.1161.24.camel@soundwave.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Samba Install on BSD 5.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:47:27 -0000 At 04:46 PM 8/10/2007, Dixit, Viraj wrote: >Folks, > >I have downloaded the latest Samba file from samba site. I have unzipped >the file and have configured it as requested. Anyone out there installed >Samba on Free BSD 5.4. Please indicate any problem that I will encounter >and any issues with Samba. Thanks, >VJ I have run samba on FreeBSD 5.4 and 5.5 where the samba server worked as a slave to Active Directory on Windows. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 23:12:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F3E16A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A8913C4D0 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so610187wxd for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=Ectb12JMmzvy9Q5JAPER+TrKTjG9gNZVdRUCQNMQwri8zUva9OhS9g/4jJ/vg4XY/FhkaF6oESEpu0/1Yzlv5b+YA+g2sRVFfZE1ErKuMc7ftFuR2jAO56SdPuwyj/eGaU7gKUbrIvyU4iEHenQ38Bdr9DtnElGt/yqs2ijDit0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=svOZSgfd2ut2H3YKmtX80iKJUcIbJIa90RH+sJ2f9m9v6cjBw6aEb4quGBfajvJ9E6P/1ypPC7aFjiqjPjoUeg4X/BMaQ64Ce0k6OuzAo0Allb1GwucU8KTocWSAzmTRneu74JZ0lsI6ZqzoywDVuxq03Pa/NbwmGaroHpS+acE= Received: by 10.70.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr5323403wxw.1186785987063; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.32.240? ( [201.47.3.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i20sm6296689wxd.2007.08.10.15.46.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Sergio Lenzi To: doug@safeport.com, questions In-Reply-To: <20070810133045.B99453@fledge.watson.org> References: <20070810133045.B99453@fledge.watson.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:46:20 -0300 Message-Id: <1186785980.71492.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Can not make a 6.2 ISO image X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:12:09 -0000 The problem is in the rescue directory of the CD/DVD the directory have hard links that when copied with tar, transforms in full files without the links.... I think the problem is in libarchive.. as the old 5.4 FreeBSD does copy the rescue as expected.... a small script fix the rescue links is: assume that your freebsd directory is in /mnt ========================== #!/bin/sh cd /mnt/rescue lista=`ls | grep -v \\\[` for i in $lista do ln -f [ $i done echo done ======================== Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 23:46:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67A516A41A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard@inf.ed.ac.uk) Received: from nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk (nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.216.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4569D13C46B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard@inf.ed.ac.uk) Received: from macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk (macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.164.231]) by nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AN1VAN015982 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:01:31 +0100 Received: by macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 26013) id BF73324A339; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:01:30 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Tobin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: just say no X-Mailer: Ream 5.1.51-richard-mac Message-Id: <20070810230130.BF73324A339@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:01:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Easy switch to xorg 7.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:46:41 -0000 I just did a 6.2-RELEASE install, only to find when I tried to install some packages from stable that everything has switched to Xorg 7.2. Can I just pkg_delete all the old xorg* packages and then pkg_add the new ones? Is "pkg_add -r xorg" all I need? -- Richard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 23:51:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E5416A418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kend@amigo.net) Received: from mx.amigo.net (mx.amigo.net [209.94.64.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555F713C45D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kend@amigo.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.amigo.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F19FE814A; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amigo.net Received: from mx.amigo.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.amigo.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZ2VwvlSM3xI; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (billing.amigo.net [209.94.67.250]) by mail1.amigo.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579DCE8146; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:39 -0600 From: Kenny Dail To: Bram Schoenmakers In-Reply-To: <200708101949.45425.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> References: <200708101103.07024.nvass@teledomenet.gr> <200708101949.45425.bramschoenmakers@xs4all.nl> Message-Id: <20070810172102.1F7E.KEND@amigo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.31 [en] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nikos Vassiliadis Subject: Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:51:32 -0000 > Thank you for those suggestions, it's appreciated. Although I get the same > results with setting those values both on the server and on the client. SCP > starts full speed, but at 20% of the 200 MB file it starts to stall. All ICMP > traffic was open on both firewalls at that time. I had something similar to this happen to me once when I traded out low end Linksys router for an enterprise grade one. Large transfers were ok with the low end router, but died horribly with the "good" router. It was a FreeBSD4.11 server at the time, and in the end it turned out that the increase in bandwidth was directly related to the stall, putting qos on the traffic back down to the previous speeds made the stalling go away. I never did find out if it was a crappy NIC or crappy disk drives, or crappy cofiguration on the server. -- Kenny Dail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 00:23:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5535416A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D977F13C46B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7B0Ntlp001732; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:23:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l7B0NsPj001729; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:23:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:23:54 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: Sergio Lenzi In-Reply-To: <1186785980.71492.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070810200339.K99473@fledge.watson.org> References: <20070810133045.B99453@fledge.watson.org> <1186785980.71492.6.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions Subject: Re: Can not make a 6.2 ISO image X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:23:57 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Sergio Lenzi wrote: > The problem is in the rescue directory of the CD/DVD the directory have hard > links that when copied with tar, transforms in full files without the > links.... I think the problem is in libarchive.. as the old 5.4 FreeBSD does > copy the rescue as expected.... > > a small script fix the rescue links is: assume that your freebsd directory is > in /mnt > > > ========================== > #!/bin/sh > > cd /mnt/rescue > lista=`ls | grep -v \\\[` > for i in $lista > do > ln -f [ $i > done > echo done > ======================== > > Sergio > Sergio: Thanks - your script works perfectly. I also found a post from Alexander Anderson: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:03:45 -0500 From: Alexander Anderson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO Image Size Increasing with a perl script that seems to do what your shell script, which worked perfectly, does. Your script reduced the iso size to about 625MB which makes things work nicely. I also found a guide to making a custom installation iso: http://romana.now.ie/writing/customfreebsdiso.html. This would be a great addition to the handbook. Alexander's post has a clear explanation of the problem: "Hmm, the problem is that there is no good way to know that two files are hardlinks on a 9660 filesystem. 9660 doesn't have a concept of inodes as is common in standard unix filesystems. Instead, the information about the file is stored in the directory entry. This means that the two directory entries pointing to the same data blocks may in fact describe two different files (e.g. the may have different owner or permission, or they may even differ in size!). Currently, the inode number shown by 9660 is just the offset of the directory entry of the file relative to the disk/partition, with the special case for directories, where we use the start of the directory itself, i.e. the offset of the '.' entry. This way, it's quite easy to determine the file attributes given the inode number." Hence my misunderstanding / confusion. Thanks to all who replied. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 00:35:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5D216A41B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4647E13C458 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.146.189] (port=39921 helo=smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1IJdu8-0006Vb-6r; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:28:28 +0200 Received: from cp1228410-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.157.163]:55234 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1IJdu6-000575-5G; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:28:26 +0200 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:26:58 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> X-Face: U%PgEJ2IfD9niTG.6[,9!; !G|I$ZCvvZDD|.X; H*T1xqk>Fc$W?~t]FD@a4))=?utf-8?q?=2EFi=5CCn4!=7D=0A=09?=,u!3+a^.v+%fL2J~SN%'23mIhZ#G#i=[NZv#w*Q& X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Cc: Latitude Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:35:49 -0000 On Thursday 09 August 2007 06:22:26 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows Well, it's a very different thing. But it can do mostly the same tasks though (and many more). > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument Everything that is sorta specialized has its jargon, especially something that is very technical, like an operating system. We do have a very good handbook though, which does a pretty good job to gently introduce all that jargon to people who want to know what it's all about. > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. It can be an acceptable alternative depending on what's considered acceptable, that is, what you want to do with it. I use it exclusively on my desktop. I'll admit that sometimes you may have to "hack around" a little though. But that's also the fun of it. I also do some programming specifically for the FreeBSD desktop. We surely need improvement there, of course we do, we're a volunteer project. But for me it's nice enough and if I want to I can control it to a level that Windows never allows a user to get to. If you're not a tinkerer you could try and see if you like PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. They are similar but "preconfigured" FreeBSD based operating systems. > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out You can have that if you select a desktop environment at install (e.g. KDE or GNOME). > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet Browser: yes, even many if you select many. > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other Nowadays most people have DSL or cable and both come with a modem and/or router. If you are in the "sysinstall" installer and you have such a connection through DHCP it should instantly work. Otherwise, if for example behind a (or your own) firewall, at worst, you'd have to type an IP address, make up some computer name for it, and maybe type in the DNS addresses of your ISP. You'd need to do this too in windows. If you have a dial-in modem, I suggest you try installing KDE and use kppp to connect. > operating systems? It's possible to mount windows FAT and NTFS partitions and then copy the data over. Obviously if some data is dependent on a Microsoft program to be useful, we may not have an ability to load it into another equivalent program. But for most common formats, like most Office documents, this is no problem for software like OpenOffice or KOffice (perhaps some minor things need to be adjusted). > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating The "fear" is justified. Something else will always be, well, different :) > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I Like I said, the handbook does this quite well. It's still for the technically inclined, yes. That probably won't change, if only because at FreeBSD they like to give the user (which may also be a developer of course!) as much choice as [s]he needs. But you know what, all in all, I think to have a nice desktop on FreeBSD and have your network up and everything work, etc, and perhaps some multimedia hardware setup, all that is probably in less then 10 config files, which are all text, so once you read up on how to use them and all the possibilities they have (just focus on the ones you're interested in, I do that too), you have a lot of power on your hands. Is that user unfriendly or user-enabling? Again, depends on what you expect I guess. But I hope that you can understand that if this "enabling" wasn't there we wouldn't have the developer community that we have and need. > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. Generally, the screenshots you see from Linux distributions show the same programs that have been ported and thus run on FreeBSD. So that's your browser, email program, music player, etc. There's many of them. > Help me (and yourselves) out. Hope I did. It's not all that hard to give a to-the-point and honest answer. Now here's some food for thought for all the "advocates" who found it necessary to answer: It's apparently harder to shut your fat fucking face if you don't have anything useful to contribute. With the notable exceptions of Paul Schmehl, Mario Lobo and a few others, the majority of snide answers here are nothing short of disgraceful. Great way to chase folks away. It's immaterial if its flamebait or not. I for one *am* doing my best to make the FreeBSD desktop nicer and more "idiot-proof" (KDE in my case) and then to read juvenile remarks about how the console is the best thing since sliced bread and other stupid things, well, you know what? It's *you* who are gladly invited to fuck off and move on to something more esoteric if that's what makes you feel important as far as I'm concerned. Gentoo perhaps. Meanwhile, just let the people who *do* matter do their work and don't leave the impression that you are spokespersons for us. I'm not a spokesperson of FreeBSD but I can assure you that the folks who actually do stuff do care about the desktop and you're disgracing and discreding our work. Cheers, Dan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 00:39:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4AA16A46B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from iota.fastbighost.com (iota.fastbighost.com [65.98.8.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C140913C46C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from [89.122.139.50] (port=58664 helo=deimos.bsd.nix) by iota.fastbighost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJbdE-00065B-Rz; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:02:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:12:58 +0300 From: Ghirai To: "Doug Poland" , questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070811001258.d21e78ae.ghirai@ghirai.com> In-Reply-To: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> References: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - iota.fastbighost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ghirai.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: Resolution problem with i810 and Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:39:26 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0500 (CDT) "Doug Poland" wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a Compaq nx7400 running on 6.2-STABLE with Xorg 7.2. Despite > my best efforts, I'm unable to get the screen into 1680x1050 > resolution. I have followed the instructions in the handbook but the > issue appears to be getting /dev/agpgart recognized. > > Here's some relevant data... > > So all I get out of this flat panel is 1280x1024, which distorts the > shape horribly because of the different aspect ratio. > > Any hints, clues, pointers are very welcome! > > > -- > Regards, > Doug After you install 915resolutions, you would: #915resolution 5c 1680 1050 Also check the rc startups. I suggest you leave the xorg.conf as it was generated by default, once you patch and start KDE/gnome/whatever, you should get the proper resolution. -- Regards, Ghirai. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 00:54:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB9D16A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:54:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EB413C46C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:54:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from novembre@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1697469pye for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pYIG74JLdG/zQmgnJVQnMDVf3+xKkB6aPt+kOgw+5c2mONOnykJwX9dcL43vAq0BbMCm5uNPQgUniYrHXsxRT/kHBOux8AyxA+6RVFuhg80JzqAntiKqT7CBIo7S6DzmqXK2SH+iQ7UvmmbEtDAm6RyGdvN/KkYHlj8OxbLA/tg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OMwXs1J0+a+cNtWEQ4zal1edNlS1UpP7fAiCLDNHXpknV/spP4Q9PdPjrcm1U5Q19tfbFW5icnx9Kzo0u4Tf4kl1X7GswB8MW9SzJ1rDTFc2deQQp1J701PvJw+JE9G8iuaIuISa52Yc37Vh4Ji+WmuT4qnT4O0DGyhqu0/jswQ= Received: by 10.65.133.8 with SMTP id k8mr5849658qbn.1186793651380; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.16 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3b47caa90708101754vefde793pdeb906f7c5a57aa7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:54:11 -0500 From: Novembre To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <3b47caa90708082149g680e3304g965c15300b764236@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b47caa90708061959v42c02e3fy8e97137cd2a30504@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F338.30304@riderway.com> <3b47caa90708071953t515be42etef87a9c72c00dd54@mail.gmail.com> <3b47caa90708072031x5aca7c5ncd7f6780b70a7f4b@mail.gmail.com> <20070808081245.D37694@obelix.home.rakhesh.com> <3b47caa90708082149g680e3304g965c15300b764236@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: NTFS-3G not mounting the partition during boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:54:12 -0000 On 8/8/07, Novembre wrote: > > > > On 8/7/07, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > > > > > > Starting ntfsmount. > > > /etc/rc: DEBUG: run_rc_command: _doit: > > /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 > > > /mnt/w > > > indows > > > fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory > > > ---------- > > > > > > I don't exactly know what it means by "fuse: failed to exec mount > > program: > > > No such file or directory" since /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g exists, > > /dev/ad0s1 > > > is my Windows 2000 partition, and I have created /mnt/windows myself. > > > > Why is the mount point /mnt/windows broken over two lines? If that's the > > actual output from fuse (and not broken coz of some wrapping while > > emailing) then that could be the problem. > > > > Regards, > > Rakhesh > > > > > The line is broken, since it had reached the end of line. It just wrapped > the rest of the line into the next line. I don't think it's the actual > output from fusefs. Here's an interesting thing though: > > # cat /var/log/messages > ... > Aug 8 23:37:10 homedesktop root: /etc/rc: INFO: checkyesno: > ntfsmount_enable is set to YES. > Aug 8 23:37:10 homedesktop root: /etc/rc: INFO: run_rc_command: _doit: > /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows -o locale=en_US.UTF-8 > Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Version 1.710 > Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Mounted /dev/ad0s1 (Read-Write, > label "", NTFS 3.0) > Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Cmdline options: > locale=en_US.UTF-8 > Aug 8 23:37:11 homedesktop ntfs-3g[923]: Mount options: > noatime,silent,allow_other,fsname=/dev/ad0s1 > ... > > So it seems the mount process was successful?! Indeed, /dev/fuse0 was > created as well... > Then why do I see the following message when the system boots? > ----- > fuse: failed to exec mount program: No such file or directory > ----- > > I'm not sure if this is something to be worried about or not, but there > are two spaces between "ntfs-3f" and "/dev/ad0s1" when the command runs. I > have set up the startup script as mentioned before, so I'm not sure what's > happening here as well... > > Thanks > I didn't get any replies, so I'll send this again. Hopefully, someone will help. The problem is explained above... Thanks :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 01:37:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6524716A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:37:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F7813C465 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:37:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from trapper.homedns.org (213.114.40.248) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 46BC71880001E874; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:37:43 +0200 Received: from trapper.homedns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trapper.homedns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7B1bhSe095185; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:37:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Message-ID: <46BD12E7.4050905@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:37:43 +0200 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070810) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Pansters References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708110126.58809.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: <200708110126.58809.danny@ricin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:37:45 -0000 Danny Pansters wrote: (...) > > Hope I did. It's not all that hard to give a to-the-point and honest answer. > > > Now here's some food for thought for all the "advocates" who found it > necessary to answer: > > It's apparently harder to shut your fat fucking face if you don't have > anything useful to contribute. > > With the notable exceptions of Paul Schmehl, Mario Lobo and a few others, the > majority of snide answers here are nothing short of disgraceful. Great way to > chase folks away. It's immaterial if its flamebait or not. > > I for one *am* doing my best to make the FreeBSD desktop nicer and > more "idiot-proof" (KDE in my case) and then to read juvenile remarks about So, telling people to fuck off, just because they have another opinion is what? Mature? > how the console is the best thing since sliced bread and other stupid things, > well, you know what? It's *you* who are gladly invited to fuck off and move > on to something more esoteric if that's what makes you feel important as far > as I'm concerned. Gentoo perhaps. > > Meanwhile, just let the people who *do* matter do their work and don't leave > the impression that you are spokespersons for us. > > I'm not a spokesperson of FreeBSD but I can assure you that the folks who > actually do stuff do care about the desktop and you're disgracing and > discreding our work. > > Cheers, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Guis are excellent for graphic tasks; image manipulation, CAD, presentations and such. And in this crowd, I might be considered an anarchist, since I prefer GUI file managers because they can give an overview of the entire directory tree. But I do fail to see the advantage of having a graphical control panel, in which you have to browse through an extensive hierarchy of categories and subcategories just to change your default printer from lpt0 to ulpt0; I'd say that that's what makes people believe that configuring a computer to your own preferences is something that requires a bachelor degree in computer science. And I do fail to see what good comes from loads of silly animations every time you click something; they just consume resources and draw the attention away from the task at hand. Desktop environments are here to stay, I'll grant you that, but they've gone too far: a GUI should help ease the work, but most desktop environments of today (KDE and Gnome, and Windoze for that matter, especially) do the opposite, by directing the attention to all the whistles and bells. -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen P.S. Please note, that I'm not telling you to fuck off, I'm just presenting my point of view. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 03:22:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D2716A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A071213C461 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fatman.uk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so569113uge for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=CV67K9Bs8YvThiPjgdwc5xjoqrHR1RPE45MdJI11Oioug4srVKTO/23sePWZo2MLIJ4eE4yDXVtlgSiSTFWSeKdplAQzxCfMwy781iaHGgMLSKCjqjwNS98Ep4gz2nnhH4gvGewWrLYmTWMRgkyDqK2qpsaJHQxbLcNE1lLsc+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=KOauhbVfzZkjF97t6AVIoXDHeE4zMTNzeH43EJ8WQaWk3ogWzj7/QdxV/zvNztyChXfx2S89Pwc2bN9cCqFkItZBLRLHKrfjf4HByRaKAQZ26cnsrbEFVAvJpqU3Jez2Og6ppFW1P5F8964ALUSUMX28fGcTRO+R+BFGWUKaULE= Received: by 10.67.89.11 with SMTP id r11mr3551393ugl.1186802561881; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monju-bosatsu.dreamtrack.dnsalias.com ( [86.18.88.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8sm3621016nfh.2007.08.10.20.22.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46BD2B80.7030103@crackmonkey.us> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:22:40 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Tobin References: <20070810230130.BF73324A339@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070810230130.BF73324A339@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam J Richardson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easy switch to xorg 7.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:22:44 -0000 Richard Tobin wrote: > I just did a 6.2-RELEASE install, only to find when I tried to install > some packages from stable that everything has switched to Xorg 7.2. > Can I just pkg_delete all the old xorg* packages and then pkg_add the > new ones? Is "pkg_add -r xorg" all I need? > > -- Richard Hi Richard, It's trickier this time. You should read the comments on Xorg in /usr/ports/UPDATING, even if you're installing and not updating. I've given up for the moment due to some weird problem with missing OpenGL drivers. I'll install Xorg 7.2 [or higher?] when I upgrade to 7.0-RELEASE. Regards, Adam J Richardson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 05:25:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4447B16A41B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-07.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-07.bluehost.com [69.89.17.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A44F13C467 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11470 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2007 05:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2007 05:25:19 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJjTT-0007rr-3h for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:25:19 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7B5PC2U082171 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l7B5PCBp082170 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:25:11 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070811052511.GA82088@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <200708110126.58809.danny@ricin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708110126.58809.danny@ricin.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:20 -0000 On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 01:26:58AM +0200, Danny Pansters wrote: > > Hope I did. It's not all that hard to give a to-the-point and honest answer. I hope you helped, too. Your comments preceding this were to the point, well considered, and informative. At least, I think so. However . . . > > Now here's some food for thought for all the "advocates" who found it > necessary to answer: > > It's apparently harder to shut your fat fucking face if you don't have > anything useful to contribute. There's a middle ground. The people who seem to have pissed you off missed it. So did you. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2); From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 06:06:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E6316A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AFB13C4DB for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:06:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-305956.home.otenet.gr [85.73.242.194]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l7B66ceC010696; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:06:39 +0300 Message-ID: <46BD51ED.5050807@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:06:37 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Tobin References: <20070810230130.BF73324A339@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070810230130.BF73324A339@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easy switch to xorg 7.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:06:42 -0000 Richard Tobin wrote: > I just did a 6.2-RELEASE install, only to find when I tried to install > some packages from stable that everything has switched to Xorg 7.2. > Can I just pkg_delete all the old xorg* packages and then pkg_add the > new ones? Is "pkg_add -r xorg" all I need? > > -- Richard > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I have successfully installed xorg 7.2 in a couple of new installations with minimum fuss. You can do it either from ports or packages. If you are running the i386 version of FreeBSD, there are ready packages in STABLE. There weren't any for amd64 and had to build them from ports. The procedure was very similar however. I will try to outline my steps here: - Install FreeBSD with options of your choice. Do NOT install the Xorg packages. Even better, do not install any packages from the CD, not even bash. The reason for this is the gettext library was updated, it is needed by many ports you will end up recompiling a lot of stuff you would just install on a new system. - Update your ports tree using csup. - Install bash from ports now if you wish. You will get the updated gettext. Installing a few other small ports like screen and sudo will not hurt either at this point. - Set the environment variable to get packages from stable: export PACKAGESITE=ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/ (for bash shells) or setenv PACKAGESITE ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/ (for csh) - Read /usr/ports/UPDATING. There are some instructions for xorg 7.2, but since you have not installed any previous version the ones that actually apply are: depending on you shell, either: export XORG_UPGRADE=yes or set XORG_UPGRADE yes Then: pkg_add -r xorg Note: You can also set PACKAGESITE so that it ends in /All/ instead of /Latest/. In this case you would do a pkg_add -r xorg-7.2 If you are using the amd64 port of FreeBSD you may not find ready packages (At least there were not any when I installed). Just go to /usr/ports/x11/xorg and make install clean. It will take a little more time, the end result is the same. Run the mergebase script per instructions. It won't do much, since you are not really "upgrading" but do it anyway: sh /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/mergebase.sh You are done! Configure X the usual way ( X -configure etc) and install you favourite window manager / Desktop environment from ports or packages. As I've said, I've used this procedure on a couple of machines and had absolutely no problem at all. It seems the trick is to set the XORG_UPGRADE variable even though you are not really upgrading. The mergebase script is also something to not ommit. It may copy nothing actually, but it sets some symbolic links. Hope this helps. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 11:25:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823D016A476 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9813213C45B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BBPjbB001447 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:25:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7BBPjVq001444 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:25:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:25:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: ZFS - no thanks! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:25:54 -0000 just ended testing. after having all my data (test system fortunately) on ZFS including root, i lost /boot partition, which was on pendrive to make testing easier. well - no problem - i've started my normal 6.2 syste, got bootonly CD, removed mfsroot, added (as on ZFS system) vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:tank/root", put tu pendrive, bsdlabel -B etc.. started.. it CANNOT mount zfs. well - i don't have live CD the only thing left was 7.0 livecd but amd64 only. well - i have qemu. started qemu with this image, added -hda with my ZFS disk, started. got to fixid, kldload zfs.ko zfs import - well all's fine zfs import -f tank after some time done tried any command - looks like no libraries. well - probably it overmounted / from zfs... next reboot now zfs import -R /mnt -f tank and it's waiting forever. doing nothing, both CTRL-C and CTRL-Z doesn't work. it's doing nothing as i see that qemu uses almost no CPU. "EXCELLENT" filesystem with "excellent" protection of my data!!!! on the other hand it's faster over UFS on small files but not that faster. it uses HUGE amount of RAM. it's set copies=n is a joke. you have no warranty where are the copies (often on the same disk). zpool scrub DOES NOT move copies to other disk from the same when other is made available!! raidz can't be expanded cache flushing CAN NOT be disable for selected device, only for everything. my USB-IDE converter make doesn't allow it, but my 2.5" does! i use USB-IDE converted with disk as a backup. with ZFS it's impossible unless i will turn off flushing for everything - losing it's important adventage. disks based pool (no mirror/raidz) won't start AT ALL with one element unattached!!! EVEN if everything has copies>1 !!! summary: excellent idea turned into pile of s...t no thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 11:31:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687F316A421 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrb@bmyster.com) Received: from loqtis.bmyster.com (ns1.bmyster.com [65.175.135.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2724F13C46C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrb@bmyster.com) Received: from www.bmyster.com (localhost.bmyster.com [127.0.0.1]) by loqtis.bmyster.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l7BBKaCb051087 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:20:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brent" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:20:31 -0400 Message-Id: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050228 X-OriginatingIP: 76.179.113.78 (mrb) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: Subject: server was hacked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:31:50 -0000 Im running FBSD 5.4 as a web server the server is behind a cisco firewall /router and the server has alot of CMS jumila / mambo sites on it. I noticed that when i ran sockstat i was seeing multiple IPs connected to high ports on the server with a process id of "psybnc" . Did some looking around & found that this is a IRC relay program that was installed through a compromised mambo site. after getting rid of the program I changed our router to disallow this type of traffic..& started trying to fix the box. Im pretty sure that root wasnt compromised but im going to re-install anyway. my question has anyone run into this problem with CMS sites, HOw excatly are they getting in ? what are the things I can do to prevent this. On FBSD how do you checksum binaries on the system to ensure someone hasnt replaced one with there own binary. thank you...and & all help is greatly appreciated -- Brent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 11:40:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3604C16A469 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4187A13C468 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BBdtmu001562 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:39:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7BBdtgg001559 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:39:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:39:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Message-ID: <20070811133707.C1545@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: ZFS - no thanks! - few more words X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:40:00 -0000 for those who got much better experience with ZFS and for everyone else using anything: please do remember - no RAID hardware or software, no zfs, no anything is a replacement for REGULAR BACKUPS done on removable media or different machine. in second case at least sometimes it should be done to removable media too. with this way i never lost any data, not using any mirrors or RAID-5 ever. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 11:52:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956916A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6980A13C46A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4010 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2007 11:52:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Q9nFicuugNdjEqDIvoRV6FJmfGtRfoW3A2Kp8KGGGXmygJmfHLJ9zJv1+EjSdpKuzbozowHCT0dtE5qvsBezPzyDoIy4wcsN6XiZQWwrzNG2zM8JfmE9c4Z8oyjbaJW7C8yiwHr/BFbJQC6+t84xkMjjgZXHMPcouSrfhs5/IGE=; X-YMail-OSG: Wk5WvPwVM1kBonn2hJN_vBRXjtBBb3GJVNf4.JiKJZRLhnHGIehc8jLxiVMNFxAh4KbCQZYchbn5eMoZwlxHxu7hX9weAOA.x5LFItRHHTjRvJapkpKvAuYhuOeh_g-- Received: from [67.189.230.73] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:52:36 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <739200.1783.qm@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Dell Wireless All-In-One 966 Printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:52:37 -0000 I am considering purchasing a Dell Wireless All-In-One 966 Printer, I really need a wireless printer and this one seems to be exactly what I am looking for. Unfortunately, I have not been able to secure a great deal of technical information regarding this device. Has anyone on this forum used this device with FreeBSD-6.2; and if so, where you successful? Thanks! -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 11:54:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B035416A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7522C13C46C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from phoenix (hnvr-4db2e349.pool.einsundeins.de [77.178.227.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEEFA44529 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:51:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:54:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> In-Reply-To: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708111354.29719.wundram@beenic.net> Subject: Re: server was hacked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:54:31 -0000 Am Samstag 11 August 2007 13:20:31 schrieb Brent: > Im running FBSD 5.4 as a web server the server is behind a cisco firewall > /router and the server has alot of CMS jumila / mambo sites on it. I > noticed that when i ran sockstat i was seeing multiple IPs connected to > high ports on the server with a process id of "psybnc" . Did some looking > around & found that this is a IRC relay program that was installed through > a compromised mambo site. That was a know Mambo vulnerability which also hit a client of ours. It's not a root compromise, though, AFAIR. > On FBSD how do you checksum binaries on the system to ensure someone hasnt > replaced one with there own binary. Install security/tripwire and configure properly. -- Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 12:10:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E7316A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md_ghalib@yahoo.com) Received: from web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.121.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D18F313C461 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md_ghalib@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42479 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2007 12:10:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ARNA1hBDDa21melanO9xCL3wcB7YyoKh0g1hqCx4g49iosekWGYkXu2OMkWVV0lRHVIgAmkEC3Ith0NbIkvmk1I2jiS4oJjE+xu9erOX7NOLmmclB4wCC7R+sEfo1yavhW/9LiXJOD8lsNdbQHchnaXVqCNTFW/5Id67kcr/i/Y=; X-YMail-OSG: XncdvdYVM1lPM8kt9hipV6EIiFjrN9UFWPRdjFK0kRHxgXKhGjeYbKSbsuZM.5V59A-- Received: from [69.147.84.254] by web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:10:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mohd Ghalib Akhtar To: "Heiko Wundram \(Beenic\)" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <362502.40629.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: server was hacked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:10:24 -0000 hi,=0Ahow to restore delated file or folder in linux=0A =0ATake care=0AMohd= .Ghalib Akhtar=0A(India.M)9899868681=0A(Africa.M) +255787896861 =0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Heiko Wundram (= Beenic) =0ATo: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Sa= turday, August 11, 2007 2:54:29 PM=0ASubject: Re: server was hacked=0A=0A= =0AAm Samstag 11 August 2007 13:20:31 schrieb Brent:=0A> Im running FBSD 5.= 4 as a web server the server is behind a cisco firewall=0A> /router and the= server has alot of CMS jumila / mambo sites on it. I=0A> noticed that when= i ran sockstat i was seeing multiple IPs connected to=0A> high ports on th= e server with a process id of "psybnc" . Did some looking=0A> around & foun= d that this is a IRC relay program that was installed through=0A> a comprom= ised mambo site.=0A=0AThat was a know Mambo vulnerability which also hit a = client of ours. It's not =0Aa root compromise, though, AFAIR.=0A=0A> On FBS= D how do you checksum binaries on the system to ensure someone hasnt=0A> re= placed one with there own binary.=0A=0AInstall security/tripwire and config= ure properly.=0A=0A-- =0AHeiko Wundram=0AProduct & Application Development= =0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@free= bsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-qu= estions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@f= reebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A _________________________________________________= ___________________________________=0ALuggage? GPS? 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Search=0Ahttp://search.yahoo.com/searc= h?fr=3Doni_on_mail&p=3Dgraduation+gifts&cs=3Dbz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 12:53:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0084816A421 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank.wissmann41@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B545713C46E for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank.wissmann41@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C18B9337BF3; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [84.138.206.66] (helo=grissom.einundvierzig.org) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1IJqSq-0003Tv-00; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:53:09 +0200 Message-ID: <46BDB19C.402@web.de> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:54:52 +0200 From: Frank Wissmann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brent References: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> In-Reply-To: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: frank.wissmann41@web.de X-Sender: frank.wissmann41@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18UXFXRL0cxa09e9d2fosYHfCxDOkuzDJYiyQHm nj+tluGqmrymbdkT4sa1N11rAd3cEzupksdkrQu/IReYCCDe3i rldc3YULyid26HO+pN4g== Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: server was hacked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:53:11 -0000 Brent wrote: >, HOw excatly are they getting in ? > what are the things I can do to prevent this. On FBSD how do you checksum > binaries on the system to ensure someone hasnt replaced one with there own binary. Do yourself a favor and buy the book BSD Hacks by Dru Lavigne O'Reilly Media ISBN 0-596-00679-9 Chapter 6 and especially hacks 56,58 and 59 are useful. Regards Frank From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 13:05:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F3216A41B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard@inf.ed.ac.uk) Received: from nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk (nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.216.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D694713C494 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard@inf.ed.ac.uk) Received: from macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk (macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.164.231]) by nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BD5Ah6014138; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:05:10 +0100 Received: by macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 26013) id 0AA5B24A784; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:05:09 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Tobin To: Manolis Kiagias , Richard Tobin In-Reply-To: Manolis Kiagias's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:06:37 +0300 Organization: just say no X-Mailer: Ream 5.1.51-richard-mac Message-Id: <20070811130509.0AA5B24A784@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:05:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easy switch to xorg 7.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:05:13 -0000 > I have successfully installed xorg 7.2 in a couple of new installations > with minimum fuss. You can do it either from ports or packages. I used packages, but there were one or two problems, in the form of missing packages. In particular, the following packages, required by the xorg package, aren't in .../Latest: xkeyboard-config-0.9_3.tbz xf86-video-nv-1.2.2.1.tbz xterm-225_1 I built xkeyboard and xterm in the ports, getting newer versions than the expected ones. I didn't bother about the nvidia driver as I don't need it. Anyway, it now seems to be working! Thanks for you help. -- Richard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 13:41:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC0C16A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2867913C48A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7BDemuI027059; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:40:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BDejQl029022; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:40:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 172.16.1.7 (proxying for 172.16.1.46) (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <53978.172.16.1.7.1186839648.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <200708101602.40291.freebsd@dfwlp.com> References: <32809.208.49.58.254.1186766806.squirrel@email.polands.org> <200708101408.39581.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <27887.208.49.58.254.1186773540.squirrel@email.polands.org> <200708101602.40291.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:40:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Doug Poland" To: "Jonathan Horne" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/3923/Sat Aug 11 03:03:45 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: ghirai@ghirai.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution problem with i810 and Xorg 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:41:01 -0000 On Fri, August 10, 2007 16:02, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Friday 10 August 2007 14:19:00 Doug Poland wrote: >> nope > > im 99% sure thats where your solution will lie. Thanks, I'll give that a try... -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 14:44:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0ED16A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF9013C4CA for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1110492fka for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=azVtwUtpZ7BF/8uauh2eO4ZPyXxDoz/Ol7159vcxOSpHnYz2Ar8WEY07W820gTdinfPg6AU5CZ7FtuDDRkMqTHfJLt2fhoLDwXaFJMXDQL4yNf9CvRusWE4C76zwQGxPCyCystG3H4AIHBtxijTjV9ozKAphT3BPGUww9mcJYdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c+O4NLtH5M7PiFZN0Q4lv5hsTHsSd1Xx62kxkKPOvOO8sSkijaVivSF4u0Y8/th2URVZu+zwO1OmxQyWIup2sIZrO6DX/ivKnyF/bw45ugjVeTztUUVoI6wx5aDwjlByAd7IIWRniKGMo6RpUZPiNYnmyoQbXg6N+MfHe8Fzo9w= Received: by 10.82.111.8 with SMTP id j8mr5173029buc.1186843488066; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.158.11 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14989d6e0708110744n758462a8xc57ea932e2c2d905@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:44:48 +0000 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS - no thanks! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:44:50 -0000 Hi Wojciech, let me start with pointing out that ZFS is still an experimental feature. Secondly, this is the wrong list, because ZFS is a feature of FreeBSD-CURRENT. Adding freebsd-current to CC, maybe one of the ZFS developers can give their $0.02. On 11/08/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > just ended testing. > > after having all my data (test system fortunately) on ZFS including root, > i lost /boot partition, which was on pendrive to make testing easier. > > well - no problem - i've started my normal 6.2 syste, got bootonly CD, > removed mfsroot, added (as on ZFS system) > vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:tank/root", put tu pendrive, bsdlabel -B etc.. If I understand you correctly you tried to use ZFS with FreeBSD 6.2. Won't work. > on the other hand it's faster over UFS on small files but not that faster. > it uses HUGE amount of RAM. ZFS probably isn't for Joe average user. No offense ment with this, but ZFS does has a nice set of features, but not many are needed for every days work. At least if you're on a workstation. > > it's set copies=n is a joke. > you have no warranty where are the copies (often on the same disk). Yes, because copies=n isn't there to protect against an entire disk failing. It protects data against block failures. So if an individual block on the disk wents bad, as it's most often the case when a disk starts to die, you have some more backups with the correct checksum. > zpool scrub DOES NOT move copies to other disk from the same when other is > made available!! No, because it's not dedicated to do this. AFAIK zfs does this automagically every time you attach a disk and add it to a certain zpool. scrubbing is in cases where disk faults have been found. It means that the ZFS compares the data and it's checksum, thus locating any trouble and fixes it. > raidz can't be expanded > > cache flushing CAN NOT be disable for selected device, only for > everything. > > my USB-IDE converter make doesn't allow it, but my 2.5" does! > i use USB-IDE converted with disk as a backup. with ZFS it's impossible > unless i will turn off flushing for everything - losing it's important > adventage. > > > disks based pool (no mirror/raidz) won't start AT ALL with one element > unattached!!! EVEN if everything has copies>1 !!! I don't know your setup but for me it works fine. I'm currently at the Chaos Communication Camp, next to me is an AthlonXP powered with FreeBSD-CURRENT installed. 3x400GB HDD using ZFS, giving 732GB net capacity. 2GB RAM. We had a few issues with the hardware. One of the disks is unstable, leading to crashes eventually. I started the system without the disk, I changed the disks position, moved them from a PCI Controller to the onboard controller and stuff. ZFS came up fine. I'm really impressed with ZFS and it's features. The system is pretty busy, we've 15 users max with 1MBit/sec allowed. Firewall states a throughput of 90MBit/sec upstream, saturating the 100MBit/sec NIC. With ZFS you're making use of all your HW, CPU, RAM, PCI Bus etc. So if something 's wrong with your HW you'll notice. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's related to ZFS. For example I encountered a poor system performance, with lots of interrupts. Tried to tweak ZFS a bit, didn't make a difference. Then I took my "primary slave disk" from the PCI Controller, attached it to onboard primary master - and things went out fine. Just as a side note: If your dmesg reports something like this: atapci0: port 0xdc00-0xdc07,0xd800-0xd803,0xd400-0xd407,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xcc0f irq 10 at device 6.0 on pci0 ...remove it. ;-) Christian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 13:51:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1F516A420 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin_tsanov@yahoo.com) Received: from web60318.mail.yahoo.com (web60318.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.178.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28A4C13C48A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin_tsanov@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57475 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2007 13:24:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WIa6MeoR+XNqrv8Px+NA0CV2/0MXI8XIAB7gqTwIiuSKR6woZ542wui2OGvyjtWfsczyGarkQrHAiMdLieA/QjjBwWFvzDzVlRGLazvr7Be43NDJ1qLgQcX4wToklxP9RHpDnNiVKwEdp93ZRWZ03QRcGoxvlM5pP363NJ/RhR0=; X-YMail-OSG: 36pJEK0VM1km_cpBid50E1kbrHkpXF_aji5Wj_W.Ag6cBK1joTcbZzZUbapZwcirHPKd2rlrJTVrHgTIcMgH68bhT6ejwquSDDbjAf0TUmD1ccKiIChE.SwFGh5tuNo- Received: from [24.13.132.35] by web60318.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:24:19 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Tsanov To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <709156.56415.qm@web60318.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:46:40 +0000 Cc: Subject: Gigabit ethernet NC6136 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:51:01 -0000 Hello list, I have a HP Proliant server that has a gigabit fiber ethernet adapter NC6136. It is not recognized during boot. Is this supported and if so by what driver? Regards, Martin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 15:27:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984716A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C826213C45B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B270E1A3C1A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1A4AEBB9E; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:27:20 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20070811152719.GA25036@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS - no thanks! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:27:21 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 01:25:44PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > just ended testing. Wow, that was quick. It looks like you made some very hasty judgements, and a lot of the problems you encountered were quite frankly your own fault. > after having all my data (test system fortunately) on ZFS including root= ,=20 > i lost /boot partition, which was on pendrive to make testing easier. >=20 > well - no problem - i've started my normal 6.2 syste, got bootonly CD,=20 > removed mfsroot, added (as on ZFS system)=20 > vfs.root.mountfrom=3D"zfs:tank/root", put tu pendrive, bsdlabel -B etc.. >=20 > started.. >=20 > it CANNOT mount zfs. Yes, clearly documented. > well - i don't have live CD Easy to download one. > the only thing left was 7.0 livecd but amd64 only. >=20 > well - i have qemu. >=20 > started qemu with this image, added -hda with my ZFS disk, started. >=20 > got to fixid, kldload zfs.ko >=20 > zfs import - well all's fine >=20 > zfs import -f tank >=20 > after some time done >=20 > tried any command - looks like no libraries. well - probably it=20 > overmounted / from zfs... I doubt it. More likely you are having problems from trying to use your i386 system on an amd64 kernel, which will be looking in a different place for the i386 libraries. > next reboot >=20 > now >=20 > zfs import -R /mnt -f tank >=20 >=20 > and it's waiting forever. doing nothing, both CTRL-C and CTRL-Z doesn't= =20 > work. >=20 > it's doing nothing as i see that qemu uses almost no CPU. You may have found a bug, unfortunately you needed to obtain more debugging information to be a useful report. > it uses HUGE amount of RAM. Documented. > it's set copies=3Dn is a joke. > you have no warranty where are the copies (often on the same disk). Not according to the documentation. > zpool scrub DOES NOT move copies to other disk from the same when other i= s=20 > made available!! It should, I think. > raidz can't be expanded Dunno what you mean by expanded. > cache flushing CAN NOT be disable for selected device, only for=20 > everything. >=20 > my USB-IDE converter make doesn't allow it, but my 2.5" does! > i use USB-IDE converted with disk as a backup. with ZFS it's impossible= =20 > unless i will turn off flushing for everything - losing it's important=20 > adventage. Not sure what you mean here either. > disks based pool (no mirror/raidz) won't start AT ALL with one element=20 > unattached!!! EVEN if everything has copies>1 !!! That's not what copies is supposed to be used for. If you want degraded mode, use a mirror/raid configuration,. > summary: excellent idea turned into pile of s...t summary: user had many incorrect expectations about the software and is not willing to correctly report possible bugs so they can be fixed, therefore should avoid running all pre-release versions of freebsd. Kris --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGvdVXWry0BWjoQKURAjWGAKDOWjF0duNXXzxwrA0ztdDhxswhJQCgwL6x 8mSg4A2/CM532azmgxhpQAM= =xNkM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 15:29:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C68A16A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsds+questions@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [213.186.42.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A8913C465 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsds+questions@davenulle.org) Received: from roxette (unknown [77.192.6.16]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B252911805A9 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:28:59 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070811172859.57e99c54@roxette> Organization: /dave/nulle X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Query PR on http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:29:02 -0000 Hello, I've got problem to query PR with http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi By sample a query with "category: ports", "Text in single-line fields: textproc/docproj", and "Closed reports too" checked, i don't get any PR with the result. I think i should get this PR in the result : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/113119 Is it a bug or a feature? Or i don't understand? And, is there something else to look for a PR? Thanks in advance, regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 15:35:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD116A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FB613C481 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CA01A3C1A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6EDABB9E; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:35:29 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Patrick Lamaiziere Message-ID: <20070811153529.GA25423@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070811172859.57e99c54@roxette> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070811172859.57e99c54@roxette> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Query PR on http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:35:30 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 05:28:59PM +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I've got problem to query PR with > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi >=20 > By sample a query with "category: ports", "Text in single-line fields:=20 > textproc/docproj", and "Closed reports too" checked, i don't get any PR > with the result. I think i should get this PR in the result : > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dports/113119 >=20 > Is it a bug or a feature? Or i don't understand? >=20 > And, is there something else to look for a PR? Works for me. I get a total of 8 including 113119. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=3Dports&severity= =3D&priority=3D&class=3D&state=3D&sort=3Dnone&text=3Dtextproc%2Fdocproj&res= ponsible=3D&multitext=3D&originator=3D&closedtoo=3Don&release=3D Kris --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGvddBWry0BWjoQKURAoFeAKDlLH1gcr0wx3IB5+oN9pGU0prl/QCgzVIz LGWkxXP+Vd993uB68wtNMHg= =EzV7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 15:57:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B1F16A420 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D999413C45A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [128.2.178.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861ECEBC78; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:59:53 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Message-Id: <20070811115953.f7b65832.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <200708111354.29719.wundram@beenic.net> References: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> <200708111354.29719.wundram@beenic.net> Organization: Potential Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.4 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: server was hacked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:57:05 -0000 On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:54:29 +0200 "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" wrote: > > > On FBSD how do you checksum binaries on the system to ensure someone hasnt > > replaced one with there own binary. > > Install security/tripwire and configure properly. Note that tripwire isn't the only option. There's also Aide and Samhain. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 15:57:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B9A16A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsds+questions@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [213.186.42.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2612313C46E for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsds+questions@davenulle.org) Received: from roxette (unknown [77.192.6.16]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446DE11805DD for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:57:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:57:32 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070811175732.175dc950@roxette> In-Reply-To: <20070811153529.GA25423@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070811172859.57e99c54@roxette> <20070811153529.GA25423@rot26.obsecurity.org> Organization: /dave/nulle X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Query PR on http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:57:35 -0000 Le Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:35:29 -0400, Kris Kennaway a écrit : > > I've got problem to query PR with > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi > > > > By sample a query with "category: ports", "Text in single-line > > fields: textproc/docproj", and "Closed reports too" checked, i > > don't get any PR with the result. I think i should get this PR in > > the result : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/113119 > > > > Is it a bug or a feature? Or i don't understand? > > > > And, is there something else to look for a PR? > > Works for me. I get a total of 8 including 113119. Yes me too! I'm just stupid and impatient :-) The query takes some time to complete... Oups, sorry for the noise. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 16:11:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892C116A41B; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from recife.ipad.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07F913C45B; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from lobo.ipad.com.br ([192.168.64.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by recife.ipad.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l7BGBNTi003784; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:11:23 -0300 From: Mario Lobo Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:11:21 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 X-Face: "j9,S@~?m[/.]/lb=?utf-8?q?S=5D=2EI=0A=09ITlWP=3A-?=" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708111611.22644.mario.lobo@ipad.com.br> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: IDE ultraDMA problem (hackers WAS via IDE controller problem) - SOLVED !! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:11:28 -0000 *** Re-cap of problem: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE was not recognizing the VT8237A south bridge ultraDMA ata controller on a P5VD2-X ASUS mobo. FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 4 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) acpi0: on motherboard acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfe800000-0xfe8003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 2000 acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of fe800000, 100 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pcib2: irq 27 at device 2.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 nvidia0: mem 0xdc000000-0xdcffffff,0xc0000000-0xcfffffff,0xdd000000-0xddffffff irq 24 at device 0.0 on pci2 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfc00-0xfc0f at device 15.0 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 *** end of recap pciconf -lv gave me this clue: atapci0@pci0:15:0: class=0x01018a card=0x81cf1043 chip=0x53371106 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' class = mass storage subclass = ATA after a long,long search, I found that chip id 0x53371106 belongs to SATA150 controller, not PATA !! Then I enabled all mass storage controllers on the board ( although no SATA drives present ), then two more ids showed up: chip=0x016a10de (jmicron SATA300) chip=0x05711106 <- thats it !! Then I went iinto /usr/src/sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h and changed the line from #define ATA_VIA8237A 0x05911106 to #define ATA_VIA8237A 0x05711106 recompiled, install and BANG! nvidia0: mem 0xdc000000-0xdcffffff,0xc0000000-0xcfffffff,0xdd000000-0xddffffff irq 24 at device 0.0 on pci2 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcib3: irq 31 at device 3.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 atapci0: port 0xcc00-0xcc07,0xc800-0xc803,0xc400-0xc407,0xc000-0xc003,0xbc00-0xbc0f mem 0xdfefe000-0xdfefffff irq 28 at device 0.0 on pci3 atapci0: AHCI Version 01.00 controller with 2 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata3: on atapci0 ata4: on atapci0 atapci1: port 0xfc00-0xfc07,0xf800-0xf803,0xf400-0xf407,0xf000-0xf003,0xec00-0xec0f,0xe800-0xe8ff irq 21 at device 15.0 on pci0 ata5: on atapci1 ata6: on atapci1 atapci2: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xe400-0xe40f at device 15.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci2 ata1: on atapci2 ad0: 114498MB at ata0-master UDMA100 ad1: 117246MB at ata0-slave UDMA133 ad2: 76351MB at ata1-master UDMA133 acd0: DVDR at ata1-slave UDMA66 Normal life returned :-D I dont know if this fix applies to ALL mobos that use VIA chipset (VT8237A) but it shure did to my ASUS mobo Thanks Wojciech Puchar and Sten Daniel Soersdal for your kind attention. -- ********************************************************** //| //| Mario Lobo // |// | http://www.ipad.com.br // // ||||||| FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free ********************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 16:12:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A7216A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbronson@sixcompanies.com) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7736213C4B5 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbronson@sixcompanies.com) Received: from cpe-72-128-113-5.wi.res.rr.com ([72.128.113.5] helo=cheyenne.sixcompanies.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IJtZY-0007fM-Rz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:12:16 -0400 Received: from coors.sixcompanies.com (coors.sixcompanies.com [10.43.82.9]) by cheyenne.sixcompanies.com (8.14.2.Alpha0/8.14.2.Alpha0) with ESMTP id l7BGCGmP001414 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:12:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 72.128.113.5 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19Y6Fs9wNb/blkolfiQMUA79XtQjR7GSCo= Message-Id: <200708111612.l7BGCGmP001414@cheyenne.sixcompanies.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:12:15 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: JD Bronson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: arp on cable modems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:12:17 -0000 Is there any rule in pf to dump this crap? tcpdump just shows streams of this stuff!! 11:10:06.810287 arp who-has CPE-65-27-48-161.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-65-27-48-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:06.864875 arp who-has CPE-65-27-48-74.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-65-27-48-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:06.931964 arp who-has CPE-72-128-121-89.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:06.946955 arp who-has CPE-72-128-112-152.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:07.087627 arp who-has CPE-72-128-120-184.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:07.110739 arp who-has CPE-72-128-114-39.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:07.113737 arp who-has CPE-72-128-127-248.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:07.174330 arp who-has CPE-72-128-119-17.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:07.222803 arp who-has CPE-72-128-126-131.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com 11:10:07.413698 arp who-has CPE-72-128-125-148.wi.res.rr.com tell CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 16:48:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E6516A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B7113C45E for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1339100waf for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:48:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RLCWAtgdX5pB3LTFpjVR3rFMXCtIE7uo0hqVAAqDDaljbq2DEMrveqRqLCMOSHervP6wYUi43tJZPu7yzPV2GYjXkqQynIBGKbKoDWldhQIcpMIM8ks9szkqKaUbpshGr5aNz7zPwRmZhhDIOfWg/i48RSquSoh6rotL/Z8DlVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RSSTfLELh/7xzR4r1Ng7HNYcpJ45Fe4a5v9H/KpYWhgsAIYePqs/qfQzqeYBdqv7ywqw9YtDEol2+YJbDS/oNu3Os94FJ//rdFUyH2MQ8pQ7o31UewNQYb7y9noBMw7locI+V/CYzNXTb2pURZ4HQrKcX8SeeGHR8GwmSEIcgaI= Received: by 10.114.108.15 with SMTP id g15mr770448wac.1186850892082; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.133.9 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cd0a0da0708110948w6d9a2e97kbf262923fe337899@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:48:12 +0200 From: VeeJay To: FreeBSD-Questions , maanjee@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Help Pleasee: How to check FreeBSD's system characterset? How to change it to UTF-8? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:48:13 -0000 Hello fellows How to check FreeBSD's system characterset? How to change it to UTF-8? I am unable to type a =D8 =C5 =C6 character.... Please help! --=20 Thanks! BR / vj From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 17:24:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF62C16A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9984013C474 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BHOe94072703 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:24:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200708111612.l7BGCGmP001414@cheyenne.sixcompanies.com> In-Reply-To: <200708111612.l7BGCGmP001414@cheyenne.sixcompanies.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708111224.40490.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: arp on cable modems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:24:43 -0000 On Saturday 11 August 2007 11:12:15 JD Bronson wrote: > Is there any rule in pf to dump this crap? > tcpdump just shows streams of this stuff!! > > > > 11:10:06.810287 arp who-has CPE-65-27-48-161.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-65-27-48-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:06.864875 arp who-has CPE-65-27-48-74.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-65-27-48-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:06.931964 arp who-has CPE-72-128-121-89.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:06.946955 arp who-has CPE-72-128-112-152.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:07.087627 arp who-has CPE-72-128-120-184.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:07.110739 arp who-has CPE-72-128-114-39.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:07.113737 arp who-has CPE-72-128-127-248.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:07.174330 arp who-has CPE-72-128-119-17.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:07.222803 arp who-has CPE-72-128-126-131.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > 11:10:07.413698 arp who-has CPE-72-128-125-148.wi.res.rr.com tell > CPE-72-128-112-1.wi.res.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" fairly certain your router still needs to participate in arp type traffic, so if you dont want to see it: tcpdump not arp (and man tcpdump!) -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 17:27:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8913616A468 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDEC13C480 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BHRfPC003570; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:27:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l7BHRel0003567; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:27:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:27:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20070811152719.GA25036@rot26.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20070811192633.N3479@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070811152719.GA25036@rot26.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS - no thanks! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:27:47 -0000 > I doubt it. More likely you are having problems from trying to use > your i386 system on an amd64 kernel, which will be looking in a > different place for the i386 libraries. i was using qemu to emulate amd64. tried i386 live CD 5 minutes ago. SAME EFFECT! system hangs while doing import! no crash so i can't do a crashdump :( you said that i did quick testing. yes - because before it i already new what i want to test. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 17:32:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C414316A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AD813C428 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot26.obsecurity.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F13A1A3C1A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot26.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CACEEBB41; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:32:37 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20070811173232.GC26954@rot26.obsecurity.org> References: <20070811131633.X1392@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070811152719.GA25036@rot26.obsecurity.org> <20070811192633.N3479@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070811192633.N3479@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: ZFS - no thanks! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:32:47 -0000 --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:27:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I doubt it. More likely you are having problems from trying to use > >your i386 system on an amd64 kernel, which will be looking in a > >different place for the i386 libraries. >=20 > i was using qemu to emulate amd64. tried i386 live CD 5 minutes ago. >=20 > SAME EFFECT! system hangs while doing import! OK, but this was not the problem we were discussing in this paragraph. In the part of your email that you snipped you discussed problems with the amd64 system failing to recognize libraries on your i386 disk image. This is expected behaviour. > no crash so i can't do a crashdump :( You'll need to enable DDB and obtain some debugging information. See the developers handbook for full instructions. > you said that i did quick testing. yes - because before it i already new= =20 > what i want to test. The problem is that you didn't bother to read the documentation when you encountered "problems" (or ask for help), but instead guessed about how you think the system should work. Unfortunately, your guesses were in disagreement with documented reality in most of the cases you mentioned. Kris --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGvfKtWry0BWjoQKURAt7CAJ9pHs5By7rfjYWSRg2adEH7qs5CWwCg32I7 OZTZk82UXSMrwzXak7/oEHA= =oWY5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 17:51:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A65816A418; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from ameno.mahoroba.org (ent.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:8010::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3A213C46C; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from kasuga.mahoroba.org (IDENT:HO6urFJWHSYWP5YPdfNavXpZStjDJ5IWItlEg8lVl+UvkPJfZHogCSV+0xGjGB0U@kasuga.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:8010:20b:97ff:fe2e:b521]) (user=ume mech=CRAM-MD5 bits=0) by ameno.mahoroba.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP/inet6 id l7BHoibt060888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:50:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:50:44 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hajimu UMEMOTO To: "Scot Hetzel" In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0708111037m1d25e164ma760a286f6d70cb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <70f41ba20708110931i4262c224kd0479290616c4fa8@mail.gmail.com> <46BDEA06.9030503@delphij.net> <70f41ba20708111013g296134ecw57bf152846718e91@mail.gmail.com> <790a9fff0708111037m1d25e164ma760a286f6d70cb8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: xcite1.57> Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.1 (i386-pc-freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE X-PGP-Key: http://www.imasy.or.jp/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1F00 0B9E 2164 70FC 6DC5 BF5F 04E9 F086 BF90 71FE Organization: Internet Mutual Aid Society, YOKOHAMA MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ameno.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:8010::1]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:50:48 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_POLICY_SIGNSOME,DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ameno.mahoroba.org Cc: krion@freebsd.org, Xin LI , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: request add db45/db46 support to mail/exim port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:51:04 -0000 Hi, >>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:37:18 -0500 >>>>> "Scot Hetzel" said: swhetzel> Here's the correct code for BDB detection: swhetzel> USE_BDB= 40+ Why do you specify USE_BDB as 40+, explicitly? Since, it is defined as 41+ in bsd.database.mk, I believe USE_BDB=yes is enough. Sincerely, -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 18:02:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45AD16A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C98C13C474 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so1167239mue for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Cssb/851zyloFRh8z1af/QOiD5qk4/4twa+QMIxOvnECIFBVruMF8tEWziksKl5SxXLJZvsIKt2wwoshwZLm3XRYoa/vUheZJjTFFZ7t3vKkYsWyk+UQ8y+uYpDfE3/9+pJBWosno0ACQNAq3MCAsmWpgqSXBaY4eITioKcwLPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kLRkvFKM8GuTVL21/cLsdOItT+CtkJJaCc0rL81vUdDPL6gyf8jpm/cRH9lwccd9QfKuQOrmUFdN5RC+EEPeGykOoSL0t41BgRAbi7+bzaaHWUu1cKWc+xy8uHCaaE/L+OsAWyaFyezewkRRcEi5yRDM+hvPRL81MPH706bFIcY= Received: by 10.86.79.19 with SMTP id c19mr3309386fgb.1186853838854; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.59.6 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <790a9fff0708111037m1d25e164ma760a286f6d70cb8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:37:18 -0500 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <70f41ba20708111013g296134ecw57bf152846718e91@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_35181_22845588.1186853838813" References: <70f41ba20708110931i4262c224kd0479290616c4fa8@mail.gmail.com> <46BDEA06.9030503@delphij.net> <70f41ba20708111013g296134ecw57bf152846718e91@mail.gmail.com> Cc: krion@freebsd.org, Xin LI , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: request add db45/db46 support to mail/exim port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:02:56 -0000 ------=_Part_35181_22845588.1186853838813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/11/07, snowcrash+freebsd wrote: > hi, > > > Sounds great, just one point: I'd prefer seeing that exim would make use > > of bsd.database.mk. > > i /thought/ that use of WITH_BDB_VER/USE_BDB *is* 'making use of' > bsd.database.mk, wherein, > > ... > .if defined(WITH_BDB_VER) > . if ${WITH_BDB_VER} == 4 > USE_BDB= 40 > . elif ${WITH_BDB_VER} != 1 > USE_BDB= ${WITH_BDB_VER} > . endif > .endif > _WANT_BDB_VER= ${USE_BDB} > ... > > but, changes in exim port may well be required for 'compliance'. > > > I have Cc'ed maintainer (krion@). > Here's the correct code for BDB detection: .if ${WITH_BDB_VER} == 1 DB_LIBS= DB_INCLUDES= SEDLIST+= -e 's,^(DBMLIB=),\# \1,' .else USE_BDB= 40+ INVALID_BDB_VER= 2 3 DB_LIBS= -L${BDB_LIB_DIR} -l${BDB_LIB_NAME} DB_INCLUDES= -I${BDB_INCLUDE_DIR} .endif Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. 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Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:03:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160BE13C4A7 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1152891fka for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GswgiWBaiUQFX9Ga+6IQS//l8Av8lUPZ7zGy/VZ+HEn3pXmnWLRM4DRls04mTdw+ObuAHmLj20ecn5jd0wGE7M/Ml3vZuzjh9f1vPTy+05o5dwiXQKk4LLwHiXyBZ5/qUx15Mq502DAltfnx++4XhNG8L+RIFezgDhTKuFMxQFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z1cQomJABj5plNy9hf9nJoHAbInDvEQLjmIsBEzGOMvXj1OaUNRsw9IQD/dfbuslk+IZhBAS7Jiekws3U+rZVE7BuTmMSazpQ8UQycTmwBCS2OYONUyRf9US2wabgyebw7xX12jYxw9h/I7DSU7JzRJhuDh0H76G99oR5MqWoLc= Received: by 10.86.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr2982402fgb.1186855412766; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.59.6 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <790a9fff0708111103y2c178125iacc5d4ec1395bb07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:03:32 -0500 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: "Hajimu UMEMOTO" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <70f41ba20708110931i4262c224kd0479290616c4fa8@mail.gmail.com> <46BDEA06.9030503@delphij.net> <70f41ba20708111013g296134ecw57bf152846718e91@mail.gmail.com> <790a9fff0708111037m1d25e164ma760a286f6d70cb8@mail.gmail.com> Cc: krion@freebsd.org, Xin LI , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: request add db45/db46 support to mail/exim port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:03:34 -0000 On 8/11/07, Hajimu UMEMOTO wrote: > Hi, > > >>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:37:18 -0500 > >>>>> "Scot Hetzel" said: > > swhetzel> Here's the correct code for BDB detection: > > swhetzel> USE_BDB= 40+ > > Why do you specify USE_BDB as 40+, explicitly? Since, it is defined > as 41+ in bsd.database.mk, I believe USE_BDB=yes is enough. > I believe when I made the change to bsd.database.mk, and then patched all of the BDB using ports, I had put the lowest version that the port supported into USE_BDB. USE_BDB=yes would also work and allow the port to show a dependancy on the default BDB version instead of the lowest BDB version. Also, INVALID_BDB_VER takes care of excluding BDB versions that the port doesn't work with. Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 18:22:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8E916A419; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from ameno.mahoroba.org (ent.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:8010::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5CB13C46B; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from kasuga.mahoroba.org (IDENT:tPuf8DcWCIpoJ2EWwyH0THpw/+5z2/eMwWgrMgbJXHAyXnTyResYqQ5Dz1JWNFzE@kasuga.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:8010:20b:97ff:fe2e:b521]) (user=ume mech=CRAM-MD5 bits=0) by ameno.mahoroba.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP/inet6 id l7BIMfYt072458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:22:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:22:41 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hajimu UMEMOTO To: "Scot Hetzel" In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0708111103y2c178125iacc5d4ec1395bb07@mail.gmail.com> References: <70f41ba20708110931i4262c224kd0479290616c4fa8@mail.gmail.com> <46BDEA06.9030503@delphij.net> <70f41ba20708111013g296134ecw57bf152846718e91@mail.gmail.com> <790a9fff0708111037m1d25e164ma760a286f6d70cb8@mail.gmail.com> <790a9fff0708111103y2c178125iacc5d4ec1395bb07@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: xcite1.57> Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.1 (i386-pc-freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE X-PGP-Key: http://www.imasy.or.jp/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1F00 0B9E 2164 70FC 6DC5 BF5F 04E9 F086 BF90 71FE Organization: Internet Mutual Aid Society, YOKOHAMA MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ameno.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:8010::1]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:22:41 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_POLICY_SIGNSOME,DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ameno.mahoroba.org Cc: krion@freebsd.org, Xin LI , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: request add db45/db46 support to mail/exim port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:52 -0000 Hi, >>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:03:32 -0500 >>>>> "Scot Hetzel" said: swhetzel> I believe when I made the change to bsd.database.mk, and then patched swhetzel> all of the BDB using ports, I had put the lowest version that the port swhetzel> supported into USE_BDB. swhetzel> USE_BDB=yes would also work and allow the port to show a dependancy on swhetzel> the default BDB version instead of the lowest BDB version. Also, swhetzel> INVALID_BDB_VER takes care of excluding BDB versions that the port swhetzel> doesn't work with. Yes, it is same as my understanding. So, I think a user doesn't specify WITH_BSD_VER explicitly, exim will use db40, while other ports which use bsd.database.mk use db41. Sincerely, -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 19:15:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C0C16A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (wintermute.cepheid.org [64.92.165.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BA913C442 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 3A995170D9; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:43:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:43:52 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Brent Message-ID: <20070811184352.GA23480@idoru.cepheid.org> References: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070811110231.M84490@bmyster.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: server was hacked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:15:47 -0000 On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:20:31AM -0400, Brent wrote: > a compromised mambo site. after getting rid of the program I changed > our router to disallow this type of traffic..& started trying to fix > the box. Im pretty sure that root wasnt compromised but im going to > re-install anyway. my question has anyone run into this problem with > CMS sites, HOw excatly are they getting in ? Lots of CMS have long histories of vulnerabilities. Check out www.securityfocus.com e.g. http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?query=mambo&sbm=bid&submit=Search%21&metaname=alldoc&sort=swishrank for some details. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 19:27:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7887916A418 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A907313C48D for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so1170730fka for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KgQ/oxYyvFqi+aN+Wng9EK98rYrk9VE2rmLzE8EBG4aTR1boyn+gqNEw3DdnnsuIQMj7KmY+ZDHqGYwT5L+EZGOw6pg4T3dMZh7s6JyfCk/hdBpP4Mr6VQMSiZBUCW9Sab9JCHhF/ZUgkUGiVR5VVy76kkqXyxOTSJNbwQ8ILlU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U/IlM/DSByHmmg1kRLT2ZSJPmkIS/plR4LYnZeX+T3QxX6YBmxmUfAifSYtYVCS61cotk2g02b08Lgy2mPTVHph/EemaVivi8DBPi+YIcT490ic+lW265/h/QKJ0aIj1U0QlFL2PNQNhE3Y10BlmIiPSti26uM4OzsXqjyzwd5o= Received: by 10.86.4.2 with SMTP id 2mr3357672fgd.1186860428613; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.59.6 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <790a9fff0708111227u35ce4b42w50b10a2a87eb9e66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:27:08 -0500 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: "Hajimu UMEMOTO" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <70f41ba20708110931i4262c224kd0479290616c4fa8@mail.gmail.com> <46BDEA06.9030503@delphij.net> <70f41ba20708111013g296134ecw57bf152846718e91@mail.gmail.com> <790a9fff0708111037m1d25e164ma760a286f6d70cb8@mail.gmail.com> <790a9fff0708111103y2c178125iacc5d4ec1395bb07@mail.gmail.com> Cc: krion@freebsd.org, Xin LI , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: request add db45/db46 support to mail/exim port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:27:11 -0000 On 8/11/07, Hajimu UMEMOTO wrote: > Hi, > > >>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:03:32 -0500 > >>>>> "Scot Hetzel" said: > > swhetzel> I believe when I made the change to bsd.database.mk, and then > patched > swhetzel> all of the BDB using ports, I had put the lowest version that the > port > swhetzel> supported into USE_BDB. > > swhetzel> USE_BDB=yes would also work and allow the port to show a > dependancy on > swhetzel> the default BDB version instead of the lowest BDB version. Also, > swhetzel> INVALID_BDB_VER takes care of excluding BDB versions that the port > swhetzel> doesn't work with. > > Yes, it is same as my understanding. So, I think a user doesn't > specify WITH_BSD_VER explicitly, exim will use db40, while other ports > which use bsd.database.mk use db41. > That would be true, except that the exim port is setting WITH_BDB_VER?=1 to use the system BDB by default. I have now fixed it so that the exim port doesn't need to set WITH_BDB_VER?=1 anymore. Instead setting either WITH_BDB or WITH_BDB_VER > 1 will make the port use Mk/bsd.database.mk to choose the version of BDB to use, otherwise it will default to the system BDB. The updated patch is in PR 115427: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=115427 Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 18:37:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B7616A419 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ytwok_karate@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1862813C4E1 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ytwok_karate@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.118]) by bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:25:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:25:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:25:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.108.82.63] X-Originating-Email: [ytwok_karate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ytwok_karate@hotmail.com From: "James Hicks" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:25:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2007 18:25:33.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[0142AEF0:01C7DC45] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:54:21 +0000 Subject: FW: Request to mailing list freebsd-hackers rejected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:37:34 -0000 Per instructions from the moderator below i'm making this post to the free-bsd questions mailing list. I'm building a samba server. I have an XP laptop using putty via ssh to remotley administer. I cannot use putty to logon as root directly. If I logon as my regular user I cannot su/sudo in as root. I tried modifying the sshd_config file with AllowUsers root@ip. This didn't work. Any suggestions? Im somewhat new to UNIX and nery new to FreeBSD, so my indepth knowledge is not the best. James >From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org >To: ytwok_karate@hotmail.com >Subject: Request to mailing list freebsd-hackers rejected >Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:45:33 +0000 > >Your request to the freebsd-hackers mailing list > > Posting of your message titled "ssh logon issue" > >has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the >following reason for rejecting your request: > >"Best suggestion is to redirect your question to the freebsd-questions >mailing list if you don'tsee how to address your issue by editing >/etc/ssh/sshd_config. > > -- postmaster@freebsd.org" > >Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator >at: > > freebsd-hackers-owner@freebsd.org _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 20:08:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F022416A41A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B29313C468 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-305956.home.otenet.gr [85.73.242.194]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l7BK89lI029581; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:08:10 +0300 Message-ID: <46BE1728.4010407@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:08:08 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hicks References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Request to mailing list freebsd-hackers rejected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:08:13 -0000 James Hicks wrote: > Per instructions from the moderator below i'm making this post to the > free-bsd questions mailing list. > > > I'm building a samba server. I have an XP laptop using putty via ssh > to remotley administer. I cannot use putty to logon as root directly. > If I logon as my regular user I cannot su/sudo in as root. I tried > modifying the sshd_config file with AllowUsers root@ip. This didn't > work. Any suggestions? Im somewhat new to UNIX and nery new to > FreeBSD, so my indepth knowledge is not the best. > > James > > Direct root login from ssh is disabled for good reason, so please leave it this way. If however you cannot su to root from your user account, this is not a problem with ssh configuration, it is simply a problem of your account not belonging to the wheel group. Check it using the following: id you will see a list of groups. If you do not see "wheel" under these groups, you are not able to su. In FreeBSD only members of the wheel group can su root. You can change this with the pw usermod command, something like: pw usermod -g -G wheel see man pw for details. As for sudo, it is easy to setup, but you have to install it from ports: cd /usr/ports/security/sudo make install clean then run visudo to configure Hope this helps From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 20:50:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74CE16A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from inetsolution1@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E22A13C47E for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from inetsolution1@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so1578838qbd for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:50:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; 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from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [66.92.130.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A81213C46A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7BKsq0p002217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:54:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <46BE2217.3060607@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:54:47 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-tundraware.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Disabling Shutdown Option On xfce4 Exit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:54:56 -0000 'Anyone know how to disable the shutdown option when xfce4 exits? The user in question needs sudo access to the system, but I don't want this user to be able to turn off a server when they exit the xfce4 session. TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 21:21:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6B016A417 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EB413C45B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7BL2ADO050128; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Tim Daneliuk In-Reply-To: <46BE2217.3060607@tundraware.com> Message-ID: <20070811165651.P75818@tripel.monochrome.org> References: <46BE2217.3060607@tundraware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Disabling Shutdown Option On xfce4 Exit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:21:11 -0000 On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > 'Anyone know how to disable the shutdown option when xfce4 exits? The > user in question needs sudo access to the system, but I don't want > this user to be able to turn off a server when they exit the xfce4 > session. I have a couple of methods that don't directly address the question: 1) Don't allow the user to execute /sbin/shutdown - can be done via sudo configuration (I think), or via group memebership for that user (I know). The shutdown item will still be there, but will fail if he clicks it. 2) Don't run X on a server HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 22:02:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261D216A41B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAACE13C45B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7BM2UnM028154; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:02:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l7BM2UTX028151; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:02:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:02:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <739200.1783.qm@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070811152050.B27993@wonkity.com> References: <739200.1783.qm@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Dell Wireless All-In-One 966 Printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:02:31 -0000 On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, White Hat wrote: > I am considering purchasing a Dell Wireless All-In-One > 966 Printer, I really need a wireless printer and this > one seems to be exactly what I am looking for. No information (yet) on the 966, but the Dell 920 is said to work with the Lexmark Z600 driver here: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Dell-AIO_Printer_A920 Not so for the AIO 946: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Dell-All-in-one_946 > Unfortunately, I have not been able to secure a great deal of > technical information regarding this device. It's likely made by Lexmark (maybe the Lexmark X9350) but rebadged and rechipped so you can only use Dell ink with it. There's a less than glowing review of the Dell version here: http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/dell-photo-all-in/4505-3181_7-32129819.html?ar=o&tag=pdtl-list > Has anyone on this forum used this device with FreeBSD-6.2; and if so, > where you successful? Dell's web site shows only Windows drivers for this printer. Lexmark says no Linux drivers for the X9350, either. Dell + Lexmark + AIO - (Linux|FreeBSD drivers) = no thanks. There are wireless print servers and access points with printer ports that will let you make most non-host-based printers wireless. Costs more, but gives more choices. The openprinting.org site is a good place to check printer compatibility. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 22:22:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055C16A420 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C64913C478 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7BMMRps034783; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7BMMMD0080361; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l7BMMMrW080360; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200708112222.l7BMMMrW080360@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: wblock@wonkity.com (Warren Block) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20070811152050.B27993@wonkity.com> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: White Hat , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Dell Wireless All-In-One 966 Printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:22:39 -0000 > > There are wireless print servers and access points with printer ports > that will let you make most non-host-based printers wireless. Costs > more, but gives more choices. The openprinting.org site is a good place > to check printer compatibility. > Be *VERY* careful if you decide to purchase one. They are very strict about what printers THEY will and won't work with and in exactly what capacity. I bought one companies wireless version, only to be told the printer was only supported on the wired one. I purchased the wired one and it was an ever loving SOB to get working. I ended up just attaching it to a Winderz PC and making the Winderz a print server. 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