From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 01:59:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A576106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 01:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3A18FC1B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 01:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so7221243wwi.31 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:59:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6mdNxjZiWFMI1GGy1N9tjhpGKFnPu+u63mngyGxMhLo=; b=EqVG5z0Hq6Cyuu4FCAassIWmuQ2P1QnCtCM7bh6MF2YeECyk794EncPtjGx7ajodA4 5deomN2lvjfr2iEim4Gm63VG1GQYX1VDTKKRJ0Fa8h9QtIZ+UuwW3M58bm+MP6USvpt4 3KqQRYykychOaXj7ihqFR7o0taoMCPxWa83eQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.6.199 with SMTP id a7mr7370597wba.74.1319335140906; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.98.5 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:59:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pkg_version: corrupted record (pkgdep line without argument), ignoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 01:59:02 -0000 On 10/22/11, b. f. wrote: > Jerry wrote: >> After attempting unsuccessfully to update KDE4 via "portmaster", I >> found a number of errors printed out when using "pkg_version-vIL=". >> >> I eventually used "portmanager" to update the KDE4 port successfully; >> however, I am still receiving the following error messages. >> >> These ports need updating: >> pkg_version: corrupted record (pkgdep line without argument), ignoring >> pkg_version: corrupted record (pkgdep line without argument), ignoring >> pkg_version: corrupted record (pkgdep line without argument), ignoring >> koffice-kde4-2.3.3_3 < needs updating (index has >> 2.3.3_5) >> postgresql-client-8.2.21 < needs updating (index has >> 8.2.22_1) >> >> I have not found a way to ascertain which ports contain the corrupted >> records. Originally, there were over a dozen of them but "portmanager" >> fixed most of them for me. How can I determine what ports are still >> damaged so that I might correct them. > > As the others have written, you could use sed, grep, or visual > inspection to examine the pkgdb. Alternatively, you could try testing > one port at a time, to see what ports pkg_version chokes on, by using > something like: > > pkg_info -aE | xargs -tI @ pkg_version -vIL= -s @ Bah, sent this to freebsd-ports by mistake. Sorry. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 07:38:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8406106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0270e1faa1=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41448FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 34429 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 07:11:49 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2011 07:11:49 -0000 Date: 23 Oct 2011 07:11:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4EA2F9E3.3050903@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:38:31 -0000 >anything useful that might help you to fix the problem. We'd need to see > > * Your choice of options for the port (ie. 'make showconfig' output) > > * A complete build log showing the problem occurring. (ie 'make > clean build' output) > > * The config.log from $WRKSRC showing what autoconf did. I put them at http://www.taugh.com/emacsbuild.txt R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 07:43:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A2F106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016EB8FC16 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9N7hcVO087146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:43:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p9N7hcVO087146 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1319355819; bh=mfNMwRwEq7n1NEX2qQ1Kvgeszz3SzTZVf1BEnWjvT9M=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=DK0bMp8YhKhJIIxJidEECRLEDhVzQVkd+s3/WJLLaAU+1jizbbwiplEWMtWgI1zSw XY0jqfiAeSIc74BieLsa5VFrz6sfCokn8OC0czhRlzKmeyMYpdto4UKv2zjcFSdHSj iJdq+qxG1PwJ8/HnBdtu5TsVGGxVmcxq1er873Jk= Message-ID: <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:43:29 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7EE5D84AFB96E32E7D4BBB97" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:43:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7EE5D84AFB96E32E7D4BBB97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/10/2011 08:11, John Levine wrote: >> anything useful that might help you to fix the problem. We'd need to = see >> >> * Your choice of options for the port (ie. 'make showconfig' output)= >> >> * A complete build log showing the problem occurring. (ie 'make >> clean build' output) >> >> * The config.log from $WRKSRC showing what autoconf did. >=20 > I put them at http://www.taugh.com/emacsbuild.txt >=20 > R's, > John Hmmm... your configure says: checking for tparm in -lncurses... no but that's not correct. libncurses should certainly contain that symbol. I get a 'yes' there on my stable/8 machine. As -lncurses is part of your LDFLAGS ... hmmm... do you have libncurses on your system anywhere other than in /lib ? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig7EE5D84AFB96E32E7D4BBB97 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6jxaoACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzBGgCeLjVFYhX5oMvOFwOQ9/JEFb2d nwYAnRW7638sQq4GO03zdaJddiyqmYMi =YUyh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7EE5D84AFB96E32E7D4BBB97-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 09:53:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4D3106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259628FC14 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:48:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-210-172-143.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.210.172.143]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20111023094828H0400ir7fhe>; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:48:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.172.143] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20111022080608.C0136106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA3109A.4050402@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <20111023095355.3A4D3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Doug Barton Subject: Re: which ports require dialog during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:53:55 -0000 from Doug Barton : > I like to have all config dialogs done and out of the way. > You might want to consider using portmaster, which handles that (and a > bunch of other stuff) for you. I think portmaster has an equivalent for 'portupgrade -R' to portupgrade dependencies? I think one would use 'portupgrade -r' less frequently. I like to save a build log, would the config-recursive part be disrupted or disruptive? NetBSD pkgsrc, which has been ported to other mostly (quasi-)Unix OSes as well, has a better way: putting options in /etc/mk.conf : not to say NetBSD pkgsrc is better than FreeBSD ports system, just that they have a good idea in this aspect. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 10:17:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9761065755; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0C58FC14; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9NAHcaq012410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:17:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p9NAHcaq012410 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1319365058; bh=NXVow6QM21eC3Y4Hoeg80hlAqBe/dBIQ/X4+7yOVrLg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=I9//CNUHIKQZHcppZtiFOHIxo0YzKRX50KM/CmMculU5LN7/Zosxos1dtnyalpM1v 93MD8BRlcNOkR/AvHUhOmlsEqSm69aQsF7iSXyJcNa67PKhq+eeDqb32joiM3OKYns sulbD72fjY/fY6PUt7zzgbVO3nHgYvIKJU7VVJCQ= Message-ID: <4EA3E9BA.9000602@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:17:30 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Mueller References: <20111022080608.C0136106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA3109A.4050402@FreeBSD.org> <20111023095355.3A4D3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20111023095355.3A4D3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig944A7D4E7E78D233FF8C7DF8" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: which ports require dialog during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:17:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig944A7D4E7E78D233FF8C7DF8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/10/2011 10:48, Thomas Mueller wrote: > NetBSD pkgsrc, which has been ported to other mostly (quasi-)Unix > OSes as well, has a better way: putting options in /etc/mk.conf : not > to say NetBSD pkgsrc is better than FreeBSD ports system, just that > they have a good idea in this aspect. That works with FreeBSD too, except the file is called /etc/make.conf All the options framework does is write a small Makefile containing the per-port options. There's nothing to stop you generating those settings by some other means, nor is there anything to stop you adding the result into /etc/make.conf rather than the separate Makefiles under /var/db/ports. You'll need to conditionalise setting the options on the value of ${.CURDIR} like this: =2Eif ${.CURDIR:M*/databases/mysql*} WITH_CHARSET=3D utf8 WITH_XCHARSET=3D none WITH_COLLATION=3D utf8_unicode_ci WITH_OPENSSL=3D yes WITHOUT_YASSL=3D yes BUILD_OPTIMIZED=3D yes WITH_INNODB=3D yes WITH_ARCHIVE=3D yes WITH_FEDERATED=3D yes #WITH_NDB=3D yes WITH_CSV=3D yes =2Eendif If you do this, you'll need to set BATCH in the make environment to suppress the OPTIONS dialogues, and remove anything conflicting from /var/db/ports. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig944A7D4E7E78D233FF8C7DF8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6j6cIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIye6wCffPZe+ZF2YyzCi5xGQmuUa6sN ax0AnRJgWQwQYnKigLhrSemYw1E5fW4x =p76v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig944A7D4E7E78D233FF8C7DF8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 10:24:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3102C106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5548FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:24:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-210-172-143.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.210.172.143]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20111023102441H020058t6re>; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:24:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.172.143] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4EA1411B.3050300@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA13FA9.9030405@my.gd> <201110221023.p9MAN4NW007056@smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA29FA1.2040706@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-Id: <20111023102445.3102C106566B@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: csup: How do I know I have correct version? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:24:45 -0000 from Matthew Seaman : > Don't define PORTSSUPFILE in /etc/make.conf if you're using portsnap(1). > Apart from anything else, typing 'make update' in /usr/src will attempt > to cvsup not just the system sources but as well any of PORTS, DOC where > you've defined a ...SUPFILE. > In fact, without PORTSUPFILE defined in /etc/make.conf typing 'make > update' in /usr/ports will invoke portsnap for you, so long as you > obtained the ports tree by 'portsnap fetch extract' originally. > Cheers, > Matthew Now I know better how 'make update' works, though I looked at that target in /usr/src/Makefile. I find from experience that updating ports by two different means makes a mess or at least doesn't work. In 9.0-BETA1, I tried 'portsnap fetch update' some time after having installed the ports tree from the bsdinstall. That didn't work, and I had to 'portsnap fetch' and 'portsnap extract' as if I had never installed the ports tree from the bsdinstall. I guess then I can install the docs by 'csup /usr/share/examples/doc-supfile' ? That would be simpler and easier than installing misc/freebsd-doc-en from the ports. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 05:41:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0320106566C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from seshan.parameswaran@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B339A8FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so5585630vws.13 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0dJvpZJr7Xp9RNcJYWUSFe/4uap2kzt64ZoJNA+yssU=; b=o+tTPb9vBlGJ4XrEcgvn4iiGuzLsVJ0WNZPE5QRET3jXEEGOSrzoU0lpku8b7QPyuk jgJZiRmXg+EDF/4etFT3nwn1zsg8pG0EcTl7Aa4FhYIMGnDWpmr4u6Pg77TW5O/JDZRp Y6+lDXelIUI5JEdGH40IyAFoa7QfDP9cEcM6I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.19.110 with SMTP id d14mr19593941vde.124.1319346718630; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.182.99 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:11:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Seshan Parameswaran To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:43:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Your advise on debugging nfsclient code nfsvnops.c requested X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:41:35 -0000 Hi I am trying to debug the nfs client code nfsvnops.c. I have followed the instructions in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug-online-gdb.html and http://docs.freebsd.org/doc/3.5-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html to build and install a custom kernel. After reboot the kernel is running in the debug mode. I am yet to copy the kernel to a new system and run with strip -x. I would appreciate if you could share some insights as to how to go about testing the NFS client. If you could kindly share some documentation in this regard that would help as well. Thanking you in advance for your cooperation and inputs Seshan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 12:09:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3DC106566C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EE928FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2011 11:57:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.21] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2011 11:56:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2011 11:56:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 293549.39786.bm@omp1021.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78651 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2011 11:56:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1319370965; bh=7Ya2BKc0+AbAJqVtXSg2SMjUhO0nsAfEh68xiz6gX48=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nODo00/fbL3zt6D2FFzns+Xy1EUvkETNBeX7nrjkWNNoJfp9ppBPcjFgJJszIADgg2rMXRUR6hyqvtV/wnl9iKlFy9C8cPm0DseFtqSuQOTaFa29MaQ04wAye/l2IDgOOyLLej7cvPH7ANlQblEinZz5GXcUGgCJb0VG+Ou6ZpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lqLgn/QOdrU2DBnNO5ITffPa3IU1PZ4O7XIH2n1/wngj508KFocDAMryQ6Jy/FtV208/+IapT6unN2MXVxALL06dQ2IpHx0eRyy4n4NFN3ESwhr+Aa+lCHGEED9PT4j9llIF2QQPKRDlZeklaArNRj4D1/d+GhSkQZY1gVwFNR0=; X-YMail-OSG: pEcWzIsVM1kRulNReEZOLtNwpqvH4R449C4SceE6EARVUul z2cE7sEz9KB36hnRBRcGljYPFBU4DCqVXMAHd2rUKUOICLCidY8t0N2nPIBP R8IKT47eJssU5.3LLePRC_2BmKTonUvcB1E7A9ykmO8Ljm0mwF2hjaZo7cB7 J1U_UX81nBmNN_Acj9RisxecIvsgkpO7z92.GFURzpg.xuO1Hatg6c.54ui0 _F37kzA0LyGGAKV.OLZaui21I9CAZmlXEV2L3NzDnGbGa5MgWhN_JCTGdzNP v7Vmc9FxxNjgQhS8o6yWTqwU7hz9GrKoiPLoeQ5TtU9Q49qmbBoOpwuHPSLn uejUtc3SPnslfKPAKh.zkTeh4CtaMQePFYudkMbDVNtGOrUP7Pnde9pynV4q ngmZy.oSKHwSA40BWCg7D.H7_gVfrCSasKyRDAVTE2XBQUYBDq9zMQu_FmEr D0SlMufI- Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 04:56:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <85D6B8A7-9AF6-4188-BC58-F8CBF5ED9E91@cran.org.uk> Message-ID: <1319370965.37165.YahooMailNeo@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 04:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: Bruce Cran , Polytropon In-Reply-To: <85D6B8A7-9AF6-4188-BC58-F8CBF5ED9E91@cran.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Breakin attempt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:09:39 -0000 ________________________________ From: Bruce Cran To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Breakin attempt On 22 Oct 2011, at 15:12, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:08:50 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: >> I suspect that these sorts of attacks are fairly normal if you're >> running ssh on the standard port. I used to have lots of 'break-in >> attempts' before I moved the ssh server to a different port. > > Is there _any_ reason why moving from port 22 to something > different is _not_ a solution? If you run some sort of shell server, or where many people need to login using ssh, you'll have a bit of a support problem telling people to select the non-default port. Also, some might consider it security through obscurity, which is often said to be a bad thing. -- Bruce Cran _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I agree. I run ssh on a different port and still some hackers, usually from the Far East still detect it and try to gain access. It happens all the time. Remember there is a big difference between a break-in and an attempted break-in. It is a sad state of affairs that so much effort and energy and high IQ thinking is spent on security these days. If we could just channel all that energy into something more useful. The point about giving so many others ssh logins is something I cringe on as well. I realize it's useful and needed, but there is a real myth out there that hackers are overwhelmingly intelligent and must be highly skilled to hack into someone's system. I think if you were to examine the real numbers you'd find the vast majority of break ins come from someone who either has a login username and password, bought or stole a username and password or overheard someone talking about their username and password. There are of course exceptions but the media and hype about all these intelligent hackers is just overblown. Loose lips sink ships. And as soon as more than one person knows a secret...it's no longer a secret. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 12:47:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71054106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3605A8FC08 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so1556124ywt.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:47:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VwM3OVBuagVnSu8j4/yg4eMqnAKiHQdc0IR281BXEq4=; b=tpXEGIispjvDO+gB0CjH9KW+NtAUtVCWM6rw6Yc9APr9I9nUuJ8WGgmqMHdL8RA3o9 TG7KX1f4/fG5SpYAVQnsIET/z992/VVuI3LrBjrIdbzL0SmJaKLAOPqj1XyTsU+VZinR Oe0oqQy38NTIvJWb3UErEKgsMcWA/oYYDGmUg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.124.35 with SMTP id mf3mr2452010obb.50.1319372461691; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.10.9 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: Brent Clark To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:47:17 -0000 Hiya Im struggling to install / compile x11/kdelibs4. Would anyone know or please help me understand where I am going wrong. In file included from /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:33: /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:51: error: function definition does not declare parameters /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:123: error: function definition does not declare parameters /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:184: error: function definition does not declare parameters /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:241: error: expected initializer before '&' token /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:242: error: expected initializer before '&' token /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:243: error: expected initializer before '&' token /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:244: error: expected initializer before '&' token /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:245: error: expected initializer before '&' token /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:246: error: expected initializer before '&' token /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc: In member function 'void KBookmark::updateAccessMetadata()': /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:548: error: incomplete type 'QDateTime' used in nested name specifier *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portinstall20111023-2898-rske50-0 env make ** Fix the problem and try again. ---> Skipping 'multimedia/kdenlive' because a requisite port 'x11/kdelibs4' failed (specify -k to force) ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! x11/kdelibs4 (unknown build error) * multimedia/kdenlive [bclark@bclark-laptop /usr/ports/multimedia]$ Kind Regards Brent Clark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 13:04:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3598F106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B6748FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2011 13:04:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.9] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2011 13:04:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2011 13:04:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 673321.75751.bm@omp1009.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1275 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2011 13:04:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1319375054; bh=YPqmrZPOC4IzE8c1tur1dliLxHyUKspndhyt43n8wl4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lCkHGAwozlFhmnF9+uu16ZLsxl7kYUxtZXVRT0Gc+CrVR0U2Fh970s/Wa8y/c+aio85VMoHTbuDvHrbOdkUOPQsVK6vKqnnwuZ2ivUHgIErl18X4Sp85xsi9K8/nu5EZVoyx2GvWG44hmHNxFVUE9IKSSId4pWv6BBsPIpYiNCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d3SOWilCDWWgpc4bvEU4O+fe3rFNfPPQ4itGMKKGuRVEjWATJJvFO3iRcc2al01k2gODndGYCKrQZtaRZ28JUvSKozQ90rEauxc/KD/Xh5caLkkG5kF1xwOGEeLJ4Z+t3Cc2eLbUTsZJ+2rQ64Kbdv+ImyXK79kTIDMli3ZeyvE=; X-YMail-OSG: kN9b7DoVM1mrRk9UC2Eu2SIEb9sBYX4t3p91Fw_6qbwrjjz NtafdaHLYf67bGz6mfQz2SJOP984ZcC9__CO2AC2l8VbSIxKmuS9nN0fQMAf j8Z4IiVgUUfKLnGt2UMK9GAspKV155QZJS9FFYJa5fVfZias170Vl_ZPvL9H hcLr8vcTa4SVHLjKEMUNGDXGzUrOyhI1_qrHRh62MKaxFtOPg7p1RIgVLq9J Vch_vo6rq138TKMC0RhwgiByGICsDQDWHUvICtEvDetDVcKPPx0jIuXRycQC cTIZ0eSmu4gihnxnBMqrjDfHkIcEWJmB_vcBLii2XwfdrnfehVDSrwwULXIW HVmeZzszkXmAPZSQadjjoJ6Ap8l.P67yQ9NJGXN38ZJh3bikRbmMkz9yy.vo Qe8YlDZQ6G7MRfCjLawFhHVUH1v8C8DqERnHsCDg1Hj3ygDYtS8U7wPPEOJJ ry94cCy_C Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 06:04:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Need to Backup Using Dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:04:15 -0000 I have two FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE servers running NFS. I have tons of files on Server A that I want to backup to a big drive on Sever B. Server B nfs_mounts one of the filesystems on Server A to /mnt. So if I wanted to make a backup of the filesytem on Server A to Server B I tried: dump -d /home/my_home/backups/20111024 /mnt but each time I try this it tells me that filesystem /mnt is unknown. /mnt is not in /etc/fstab. I manually mounted this via NFS and that's where all the files I want to backup are accessible to the command line on Server B. What am I missing? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 13:21:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8C61065673 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4618FC14 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.217.0.84] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHxz6-0000XB-Al; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:04 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9NDL6qI003323; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p9NDL58d003322; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:05 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Bill Tillman Message-ID: <20111023132105.GA3283@tinyCurrent> References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 88.217.0.84 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need to Backup Using Dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:21:06 -0000 El día Sunday, October 23, 2011 a las 06:04:14AM -0700, Bill Tillman escribió: > I have two FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE servers running NFS. I have tons of files on Server A that I want to backup to a big drive on Sever B. Server B nfs_mounts one of the filesystems on Server A to /mnt. So if I wanted to make a backup of the filesytem on Server A to Server B I tried: > > dump -d /home/my_home/backups/20111024 /mnt > > but each time I try this it tells me that filesystem /mnt is unknown. /mnt is not in /etc/fstab. I manually mounted this via NFS and that's where all the files I want to backup are accessible to the command line on Server B. What am I missing? Following dump(8) the file system to be dumped must be a device special file or its mountpoint from fstab(5). HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 años de guerra en Afghanistan. ¡Basta ya! 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! 200†-20††: 10 Jahre Krieg in Afghanistan. Schluss jetzt endlich! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 14:10:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FF01065675 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474518FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9NEAaEd049956 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:10:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9NEAaS0049953 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:10:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:10:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: Changing keymaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:10:37 -0000 What does it take to reliably change to an alternate keymap immediately? kbdmap and variations of kbdcontrol -l aren't making any difference, although somehow yesterday they did. At one point, anyway. Using Bulgarian BDS (bg.bds.ctrlcaps.kbd) as a test, "a" and "q" reversed positions, shift-zero became "=", and so on. But I can't replicate that now. The Handbook L10N section on console setup says that kbdmap should work: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-localization.html#SETTING-CONSOLE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 15:03:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5591065675 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (smtprelay-b11.telenor.se [62.127.194.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABB48FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph4.telenor.se (iph4.telenor.se [195.54.127.135]) by smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511CAD1A7 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:03:20 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgNANcrpE5T4+F5PGdsb2JhbABDmU+BbI1WGQEBAQE3MoFuAQEBAQIBAQEBBSAmCBYCCAMFCAMCFgEBAgQBAQEWAQEPBxkOAQUECAMHAwkIAQEEAQcHBAEKEAIEh18CBrJfhSwBBIMPBIdWihiTeA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,394,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="1992343409" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by iph4.telenor.se with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2011 17:03:19 +0200 Received: from Obah (obah [192.168.1.10]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9NF3E58002035; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:03:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fbsd@thorshammare.org) From: "Hasse Hansson" To: "'Bill Tillman'" , "'Bruce Cran'" , "'Polytropon'" References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <85D6B8A7-9AF6-4188-BC58-F8CBF5ED9E91@cran.org.uk> <1319370965.37165.YahooMailNeo@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1319370965.37165.YahooMailNeo@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:03:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000001cc9194$e1d8a240$a589e6c0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcyRfKzrHLH7nV+tSOCwltQJ4CaGRAAFLvQg Content-Language: sv X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at odin.thorshammare.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on odin.thorshammare.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SV: Breakin attempt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:03:22 -0000 -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] P=E5 vegne af Bill Tillman Sendt: den 23 oktober 2011 13:56 Til: Bruce Cran; Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Emne: Re: Breakin attempt ________________________________ From: Bruce Cran To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Breakin attempt On 22 Oct 2011, at 15:12, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:08:50 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: >> I suspect that these sorts of attacks are fairly normal if you're=20 >> running ssh on the standard port. I used to have lots of 'break-in=20 >> attempts' before I moved the ssh server to a different port. >=20 > Is there _any_ reason why moving from port 22 to something > different is _not_ a solution? If you run some sort of shell server, or where many people need to login using ssh, you'll have a bit of a support problem telling people to = select the non-default port. Also, some might consider it security through obscurity, which is often said to be a bad thing. --=20 Bruce Cran _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I agree. I run ssh on a different port and still some hackers, usually = from the Far East still detect it and try to gain access. It happens all the time. Remember there is a big difference between a break-in and an = attempted break-in. It is a sad state of affairs that so much effort and energy = and high IQ thinking is spent on security these days. If we could just = channel all that energy into something more useful. The point about giving so many others ssh logins is something I cringe = on as well. I realize it's useful and needed, but there is a real myth out = there that hackers are overwhelmingly intelligent and must be highly skilled = to hack into someone's system. I think if you were to examine the real = numbers you'd find the vast majority of break ins come from someone who either = has a login username and password, bought or stole a username and password or overheard someone talking about their username and password. There are = of course exceptions but the media and hype about all these intelligent = hackers is just overblown. Loose lips sink ships. And as soon as more than one person knows a secret...it's no longer a secret. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------'=A8 Thanks all for responding and contributing to my post. For the moment, "all quiet on the eastern front"=20 I followed the advices I got, changed the ssh port, and it drastically reduced the noise in my log files. My guess, it was some kind of "bots" probing. Lots of resources down the drain. It really would be nice to set up some kind of "tarpit" to slow down = them suckers a bit. I have a faint memory of seeing some suggestions of doing that with a = "que" rule or something in PF. Have to "google" a bit and look into it. The good thing, it made me scrutinize my security settings and fix = things I should have fixed long time ago. As said before, this server is running just for pleasure and educational purposes, so I'm free to do any Changes or experiments I please to. All the best Hasse From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 15:13:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E171065670 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596178FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 85490 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 15:13:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=14df1.4ea42f21.k1110; bh=24mQXCP8+Bu7TI7WvM4bLISCSrYDxhmUsyhsIuTLc1U=; b=SJT9t/SKq55GEqliW3oBAyVlhVl0YU85b4SVg5aTY9mrrflol5w4lGQRnHtvPOLc/mSIMyT3ltoXmM5lSE26VqxJC3VIp8UCRg74XF6Wa8jX7GLhMgKZJz4NPIRSgYZgsPDYJWQX4meQt81flWQ+pyyGDd++Y3bbYHSS2V7EYxg= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 15:13:15 -0000 Date: 23 Oct 2011 17:13:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Matthew Seaman" In-Reply-To: <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:13:38 -0000 > On 23/10/2011 09:03, John R. Levine wrote: >>> checking for tparm in -lncurses... no >>> >>> but that's not correct. libncurses should certainly contain that >>> symbol. I get a 'yes' there on my stable/8 machine. As -lncurses is >>> part of your LDFLAGS ... hmmm... do you have libncurses on your system >>> anywhere other than in /lib ? >> >> I have the ncurses-5.9 package installed from ports. Several gnome >> programs depend on it: >> >> pkg_delete: package 'ncurses-5.9' is required by these other packages >> and may not be deinstalled: >> aalib-1.4.r5_6 >> gnome-games-2.32.1_2 >> guile-1.8.8 >> libcdio-0.82_2 >> libxine-1.1.19_7 > > Interesting. Can you try moving /usr/local/lib/libncurses.* and > /usr/local/include/ncurses.h aside temporarily and then rebuild emacs? > If that works, then looks like you've found a bug in the editors/emacs > port, which should be reported to the port's maintainer. Yup, that fixed it. I'll file a bug report. I tried rebuilding some of the packages that allegedly depend on the ncurses port, and they all seemed to work OK, so the right solution may be to deprecate the ncurses port or fold it into the mainline system. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 15:24:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA56E106568B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tehnik@hackermail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A86C18FC26 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Oct 2011 15:18:09 -0000 Received: from 78.106.140.79-pppoe-dynamic.uvttk.ru (EHLO ALICE.localnet) [79.140.106.78] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 11:18:09 -0400 X-Authenticated: #80418231 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19rzNwXhDZr3DgdRtNL/tARD+bU9PxDJXGD8cuESu pjVTWMNhBzrjj+ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:17:26 +0400 From: tehnik To: Brent Clark Message-Id: <20111023191726.687390eb.tehnik@hackermail.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:24:52 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0200 Brent Clark wrote: > Hiya > > Im struggling to install / compile x11/kdelibs4. Would anyone know or > please help me understand where I am going wrong. > > In file included from > /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:33: > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:51: error: function definition does not > declare parameters > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:123: error: function definition does > not declare parameters > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:184: error: function definition does > not declare parameters > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:241: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:242: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:243: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:244: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:245: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:246: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc: > In member function 'void KBookmark::updateAccessMetadata()': > /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:548: > error: incomplete type 'QDateTime' used in nested name specifier > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4. > ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa > /tmp/portinstall20111023-2898-rske50-0 env make > ** Fix the problem and try again. > ---> Skipping 'multimedia/kdenlive' because a requisite port > 'x11/kdelibs4' failed (specify -k to force) > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > ! x11/kdelibs4 (unknown build error) > * multimedia/kdenlive > [bclark@bclark-laptop /usr/ports/multimedia]$ > > Kind Regards > Brent Clark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Me helped delete qt3 -- tehnik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 15:32:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F15106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05C88FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9NFW3k6050312; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9NFW3qP050309; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:32:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Bill Tillman In-Reply-To: <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need to Backup Using Dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:32:05 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Bill Tillman wrote: > I have two FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE servers running NFS. I have tons of files on Server A that I want to backup to a big drive on Sever B. Server B nfs_mounts one of the filesystems on Server A to /mnt. So if I wanted to make a backup of the filesytem on Server A to Server B I tried: > > dump -d /home/my_home/backups/20111024 /mnt > > but each time I try this it tells me that filesystem /mnt is unknown. /mnt is not in /etc/fstab. I manually mounted this via NFS and that's where all the files I want to backup are accessible to the command line on Server B. What am I missing? dump(8) works on entire filesystems. To copy directories, consider rsync. To copy directories but put them into archives, there's tar and numerous others. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 15:38:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1B3106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tehnik@hackermail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BB588FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Oct 2011 15:11:46 -0000 Received: from 78.106.140.79-pppoe-dynamic.uvttk.ru (EHLO ALICE.localnet) [79.140.106.78] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us011) with SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 11:11:46 -0400 X-Authenticated: #80418231 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19NuOccueNNoDZu0NYbu5ShjAi2ouJfc4grMi9NEO 4jQjNkwQN9KEiZ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:11:03 +0400 From: tehnik To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111023191103.86f61168.tehnik@hackermail.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0200 Brent Clark wrote: > Hiya > > Im struggling to install / compile x11/kdelibs4. Would anyone know or > please help me understand where I am going wrong. > > In file included from > /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:33: > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:51: error: function definition does not > declare parameters > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:123: error: function definition does > not declare parameters > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:184: error: function definition does > not declare parameters > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:241: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:242: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:243: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:244: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:245: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:246: error: expected initializer before '&' token > /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc: > In member function 'void KBookmark::updateAccessMetadata()': > /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:548: > error: incomplete type 'QDateTime' used in nested name specifier > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4. > ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa > /tmp/portinstall20111023-2898-rske50-0 env make > ** Fix the problem and try again. > ---> Skipping 'multimedia/kdenlive' because a requisite port > 'x11/kdelibs4' failed (specify -k to force) > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > ! x11/kdelibs4 (unknown build error) > * multimedia/kdenlive > [bclark@bclark-laptop /usr/ports/multimedia]$ > > Kind Regards > Brent Clark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Delete qt3 -- tehnik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 16:13:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3116D1065676 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E2A8FC1B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:13:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21179461 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:13:15 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9NGDDmF048425 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:13:14 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9NGDDUU048424 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:13:13 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:13:13 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:13:18 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > I am trying to restore a UFS2 zero level dump sized about 51G. > > > restore has created 6105 directories and no files at all, and now is > > > waiting forever in the runnable state. > > > > I don't have any specific advice here, but if it were me I think my > > next troubleshooting step would be to attach truss to the restore > > process after it gets "stuck," to try to see exactly what it's doing. > > That may give you a clue as to why it's taking so long and whether > > it's actually making any progress. > > It's doing something like that. I should have piped the output > through uniq not to clutter the list, but on second thought, I decided > not to: > > # truss -p 18568 > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) restore has been running for more than 48 hours now. Whatever is the matter, it is unacceptable as a backup solution. I will try restoring on an amd64 system tomorrow just to see if it will make any difference. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 16:22:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6C7106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1175F8FC08 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.217.0.84] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RI0os-0003KU-ME; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:22:44 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9NGMhhL003886; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:22:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p9NGMhiG003885; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:22:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:22:42 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 88.217.0.84 Cc: Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:22:47 -0000 El día Sunday, October 23, 2011 a las 11:13:13PM +0700, Victor Sudakov escribió: > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > > > I am trying to restore a UFS2 zero level dump sized about 51G. > > > > restore has created 6105 directories and no files at all, and now is > > > > waiting forever in the runnable state. Side note: I have already restored UFS level zero dumps of 130G, even into FreeBSD in a VM, without any kind of problem. Don't know UFS2, though. > > > > > > I don't have any specific advice here, but if it were me I think my > > > next troubleshooting step would be to attach truss to the restore > > > process after it gets "stuck," to try to see exactly what it's doing. > > > That may give you a clue as to why it's taking so long and whether > > > it's actually making any progress. > > > > It's doing something like that. I should have piped the output > > through uniq not to clutter the list, but on second thought, I decided > > not to: > > > > # truss -p 18568 > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) Asuming 4 is the fd of the restore device, i.e. the DUMP, this seek does nothing: moves to offset of 0 bytes from the current position. Are you sure that the device (tape?) is fine? HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 años de guerra en Afghanistan. ¡Basta ya! 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! 200†-20††: 10 Jahre Krieg in Afghanistan. Schluss jetzt endlich! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 16:44:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0A8106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268E98FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.42]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E10A7026F for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 405 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 16:42:18 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 8682, pid: 30029, t: 1.3560s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Oct 2011 16:42:17 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.8]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAAB2E0D9; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 4703139848; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: "John R. Levine" References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:42:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (John R. Levine's message of "23 Oct 2011 17:13:35 +0200") Message-ID: <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:44:07 -0000 "John R. Levine" writes: >> On 23/10/2011 09:03, John R. Levine wrote: >>>> checking for tparm in -lncurses... no >>>> >>>> but that's not correct. libncurses should certainly contain that >>>> symbol. I get a 'yes' there on my stable/8 machine. As -lncurses is >>>> part of your LDFLAGS ... hmmm... do you have libncurses on your system >>>> anywhere other than in /lib ? >>> >>> I have the ncurses-5.9 package installed from ports. Several gnome >>> programs depend on it: >>> >>> pkg_delete: package 'ncurses-5.9' is required by these other packages >>> and may not be deinstalled: >>> aalib-1.4.r5_6 >>> gnome-games-2.32.1_2 >>> guile-1.8.8 >>> libcdio-0.82_2 >>> libxine-1.1.19_7 >> >> Interesting. Can you try moving /usr/local/lib/libncurses.* and >> /usr/local/include/ncurses.h aside temporarily and then rebuild emacs? >> If that works, then looks like you've found a bug in the editors/emacs >> port, which should be reported to the port's maintainer. > > Yup, that fixed it. I'll file a bug report. I tried rebuilding some > of the packages that allegedly depend on the ncurses port, and they > all seemed to work OK, so the right solution may be to deprecate the > ncurses port or fold it into the mainline system. The way it's supposed to work is that emacs will depend on (and link to) ncurses if it's installed when the emacs port is built, and to the base system curses if not. I just did a quick test, and this was just what did happen. So at least part of the problem is local to your system... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 17:21:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBDE106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12228FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21179910 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:21:37 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9NHLa4q048866 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:21:37 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9NHLaE0048865 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:21:36 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:21:35 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111023172135.GA48830@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:21:40 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to restore a UFS2 zero level dump sized about 51G. > > > > > restore has created 6105 directories and no files at all, and now is > > > > > waiting forever in the runnable state. > > Side note: I have already restored UFS level zero dumps of 130G, even > into FreeBSD in a VM, without any kind of problem. Don't know UFS2, > though. > > > > > > > > > I don't have any specific advice here, but if it were me I think my > > > > next troubleshooting step would be to attach truss to the restore > > > > process after it gets "stuck," to try to see exactly what it's doing. > > > > That may give you a clue as to why it's taking so long and whether > > > > it's actually making any progress. > > > > > > It's doing something like that. I should have piped the output > > > through uniq not to clutter the list, but on second thought, I decided > > > not to: > > > > > > # truss -p 18568 > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > Asuming 4 is the fd of the restore device, i.e. the DUMP, this seek does > nothing: moves to offset of 0 bytes from the current position. Are you > sure that the device (tape?) is fine? I have already copied the dump from tape to disk with dd and tried restoring from the disk file with the same effect. The disk is fine in the sense that the dump file can be copied from tape to disk and from disk to /dev/null without any errors. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 17:28:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358FA106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1203B8FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:28:14 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [31.33.7.148] ([69.70.93.206]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0LTJ00ICB1PCTA80@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4EA44085.6060203@optiksecurite.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:27:49 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD_Optik_S=E9curit=E9?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 To: Daryl Sayers References: In-reply-to: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and glabels when export/importing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:28:15 -0000 Le 2011-10-18 21:57, Daryl Sayers a écrit : > Had a prblem when I needed to export a zpool and import again. The pool used > glabels for each device but after the import the pool is now using the raw > devices names. > > > sandbox# zpool create -f tank3 raidz1 /dev/label/012 /dev/label/066 label/040 label/064 > sandbox# zpool status > pool: tank3 > state: ONLINE > scan: none requested > config: > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > tank3 ONLINE 0 0 0 > raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > label/012 ONLINE 0 0 0 > label/066 ONLINE 0 0 0 > label/040 ONLINE 0 0 0 > label/064 ONLINE 0 0 0 > > sandbox# glabel list | grep Name > 1. Name: label/012 > 1. Name: ada0 > 1. Name: label/066 > 1. Name: ada1 > 1. Name: label/040 > 1. Name: ada2 > 1. Name: label/064 > 1. Name: ada3 > > sandbox# zpool export tank3 > sandbox# glabel list | grep Name > 1. Name: label/012 > 1. Name: ada0 > 1. Name: label/066 > 1. Name: ada1 > 1. Name: label/040 > 1. Name: ada2 > 1. Name: label/064 > 1. Name: ada3 > sandbox# zpool import tank3 > sandbox# glabel list > sandbox# zpool status > pool: tank3 > state: ONLINE > scan: none requested > config: > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > tank3 ONLINE 0 0 0 > raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > ada0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > ada1 ONLINE 0 0 0 > ada2 ONLINE 0 0 0 > ada3 ONLINE 0 0 0 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The only way I could get zfs to use the glabels without destroying the pool > was to install a new drive, glabel it and then replace that with the first > drive, then do the same for each drive. > > sandbox# zpool replace -f tank3 /dev/ada0 label/014 > ... wait for completion > sandbox# zpool replace -f tank3 /dev/ada1 label/012 > ... wait for completion > > Note that I did not need to glabel any drive (except the newly installed > spare) so the label was still intact on each drive. > > So, How do I do an export and import and still keep the glabels that the > original pool was created with. > Hi! I just tried it and had no problem on 9.0-BETA3 AMD64. The labels were still intact and used by ZFS after the import. Which FreeBSD version are you using? Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 17:47:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A479106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A188FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.137.208] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de.) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RI28u-0002An-Bk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:47:29 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de. 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Can restore(8) do a listing of the DUMP? matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 18:37:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0054F106566C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antonio@antonioshome.net) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9218FC12 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi40 with SMTP id 40so7085143wyi.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.221.80 with SMTP id q58mr5816737wep.36.1319395051260; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Air-de-Antonio-Vieiro.local (209.146.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es. [87.223.146.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fo7sm34451694wbb.20.2011.10.23.11.37.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EA45EE8.4020409@antonioshome.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:37:28 +0200 From: Antonio Vieiro User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Recommended nVidia card for cuda/opencl on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:37:33 -0000 Hi all, I think I'll replace my old ATI Radeon HD 2400 with an nVidia card. The idea is to do some cuda/opencl experiments on FreeBSD. Would anyone on the list suggest a cheap nVidia replacement that can do cuda/opencl? Thanks in advance, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 19:08:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366EB106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFF48FC1A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543F63D510; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9NJ8E4M002252; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:08:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:08:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bill Tillman Message-Id: <20111023210814.698a51b6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need to Backup Using Dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:08:17 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman wrote: > I have two FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE servers running NFS. I have > tons of files on Server A that I want to backup to a big > drive on Sever B. Server B nfs_mounts one of the filesystems > on Server A to /mnt. So if I wanted to make a backup of > the filesytem on Server A to Server B I tried: > > dump -d /home/my_home/backups/20111024 /mnt > > but each time I try this it tells me that filesystem /mnt > is unknown. /mnt is not in /etc/fstab. I manually mounted > this via NFS and that's where all the files I want to backup > are accessible to the command line on Server B. What am I > missing? The dump + restore mechanism operates on device files representing a file system, not a _mounted_ file system, as source. If, for example, your /home partition is /dev/ad0s1e, and you've mounted the target at /mnt, then you could do: # cd /mnt # dump -0 -f - /dev/ad0s1e | restore -r -f - Therefore /home has to be unmounted (or add flag -L to dump from mounted file systems). But note that this will dump the _complete_ file system's content to /mnt as dump cannot be "more selective" here. An alternative is to use rsync or cpdup where you can explicitely address a subtree to be copied instead of the whole file system. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 19:16:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E9F106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87DD8FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor-exit-router39-readme.formlessnetworking.net [199.48.147.39]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A7A25A83 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:43:38 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:15:44 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111023191543.GA5252@external.screwed.box> References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111023210814.698a51b6.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111023210814.698a51b6.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: Need to Backup Using Dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:16:01 -0000 Hello. 2011/10/23 21:08:14 +0200 Polytropon => To Bill Tillman : P> The dump + restore mechanism operates on device files P> representing a file system, not a _mounted_ file system, P> as source. dump(8) is able to make a snapshot behind teh scenes, and use that snapshot as a source for dump: -L This option is to notify dump that it is dumping a live file sys tem. To obtain a consistent dump image, dump takes a snapshot of the file system in the .snap directory in the root of the file system being dumped and then does a dump of the snapshot. -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 19:20:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAF51065674 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4649B8FC1A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9NJKuYM051302; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9NJKubx051299; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:20:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111023210814.698a51b6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <4EA2CE72.5030202@cran.org.uk> <20111022161242.11803f76.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA31702.7080406@locolomo.org> <1319375054.79311.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111023210814.698a51b6.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Bill Tillman , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need to Backup Using Dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:20:59 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Polytropon wrote: > But note that this will dump the _complete_ file system's > content to /mnt as dump cannot be "more selective" here. The nodump flag along with -h0 can be used to exclude files or directories. But agreed, dump is gear towards entire filesystems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 20:28:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2231065675 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC628FC08 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo13 with SMTP id fo13so6776464vcb.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.21.232 with SMTP id y8mr20309123vde.83.1319401701632; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ix4sm20460587vdb.21.2011.10.23.13.28.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SRXPb1mDSz2CG44 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:28:18 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111023162818.09cd24f8@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4EA45EE8.4020409@antonioshome.net> References: <4EA45EE8.4020409@antonioshome.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Recommended nVidia card for cuda/opencl on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:28:23 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:37:28 +0200 Antonio Vieiro articulated: > Would anyone on the list suggest a cheap nVidia replacement that can > do cuda/opencl? Define "cheap". -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 20:38:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC285106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF838FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111023203835.NSOU3769.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net>; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:38:35 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id oLeb1h00555wwzE02Lebdi; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:38:35 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EA47B4B.009B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JNCtwntptMiyo25fG9f4JMJ4e7YP6+V1gQ04g6QTQkw= c=1 sm=1 a=RWe5u1kQBc0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=wKyZBPcxaXx8OxejYbUA:9 a=UcwIRx9DHCmmfWtUoIsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9NKcYqk012451; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:38:42 -0000 On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:19:02 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > > What if you use Gnome's CD playing application, or something > like XMMS with the CD audio plugin? I think your permissions > are okay so you could make the drive play from your (non-root) > user account. No, it seems that there's a severe level of "brokenness" that has been introduced into the source tree with regards to CD devices. I've been exploring this issue on my own system the last couple of days, and am no closer to arriving at a solution than when I first started. None of the CD-related apps I have installed are working. cdcontrol will read an audio CD OK, it seems, but playback is useless, since, like most newer machines, I have no direct connection between the CD drive and the audio device. Apps such as kscd, xmcd, etc. report no disc or no device found. grip (using cdparanoia) will detect an audio disc and even fetch the correct cddb info, but ripping fails completely. xmms reports "no appropriate ioctl for device". This is progress? -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 21:00:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9374B106566B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nm.knife@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506D38FC12 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so5077491ggn.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:59:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4SgeLoLoq/a+XqsjRzR3KCkXphZz7OiqCxbiKKViSqw=; b=OV1tsoQ4FTGxoWL7Ur7Hzr2f9NrVrZFvMpGrVSmB2iyC1MsL0RBNok+z6e8XqWr29P 6d6jUHQFkSebJyW9NrPCNcIii8sI9aZIwGuQv/cm1IicIfu+j56pldc6dhLTPLKyAxOD XXtl6Y1W0Fxa+QLmgrnO7l4xfEBGE2Ub1MNzk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.164.74 with SMTP id yo10mr2665166obb.69.1319403598992; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.116.36 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111023162818.09cd24f8@scorpio> References: <4EA45EE8.4020409@antonioshome.net> <20111023162818.09cd24f8@scorpio> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:59:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: =?windows-1251?B?y/7h7uzo8CDD8Ojj7vDu4g==?= To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Recommended nVidia card for cuda/opencl on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:00:00 -0000 Do you want CUDA 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.1 compatible? I have a 9800GT (pretty cheap now-a-days + it runs modern games), which has the lowest CUDA 1.0. Also, I am interested in how you will do the work. Currently, it's necessary to run the CUDA SDK and Toolkit under Linux emulation or chroot, despite the fact that the NVIDIA drivers for FreeBSD include CUDA support. According to this, http://blogs.freebsdish.org/jhb/2010/07/20/using-cuda-with-the-native-freebsdamd64-nvidia-driver/, you still need to compile the CUDA apps under Linux, where the SDK is. Only after that you can run the binaries on FreeBSD. -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 22:03:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245AC106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90638FC13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 64988 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 22:03:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=fddb.4ea48f21.k1110; bh=QBPWYHuKR5B8G0rUdFHyfw0eBQQRzrmCZbswETJFRU8=; b=WmC607RIi84LAngqaKD1KvPK8bIA6T2588vh+o7CAPbuiHRQ4v2diGEhPkDh+oY3yIhY4J6pUP+WBdXc7hPzSeXslBiMDk8EmT1RXfGqsEj+U/Fuy9tsyLVOIBQZxlh867SWBr+eL54icjzeIJLoP3t9IWACb4UZtMy8S1iflLI= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 22:02:51 -0000 Date: 23 Oct 2011 18:03:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:03:15 -0000 >>> On 23/10/2011 09:03, John R. Levine wrote: >>>>> checking for tparm in -lncurses... no >>>>> >>>>> but that's not correct. libncurses should certainly contain that >>>>> symbol. I get a 'yes' there on my stable/8 machine. As -lncurses is >>>>> part of your LDFLAGS ... hmmm... do you have libncurses on your system >>>>> anywhere other than in /lib ? >>>> >>>> I have the ncurses-5.9 package installed from ports. Several gnome >>>> programs depend on it: >>>> >>>> pkg_delete: package 'ncurses-5.9' is required by these other packages >>>> and may not be deinstalled: >>>> aalib-1.4.r5_6 >>>> gnome-games-2.32.1_2 >>>> guile-1.8.8 >>>> libcdio-0.82_2 >>>> libxine-1.1.19_7 >>> >>> Interesting. Can you try moving /usr/local/lib/libncurses.* and >>> /usr/local/include/ncurses.h aside temporarily and then rebuild emacs? >>> If that works, then looks like you've found a bug in the editors/emacs >>> port, which should be reported to the port's maintainer. >> >> Yup, that fixed it. I'll file a bug report. I tried rebuilding some >> of the packages that allegedly depend on the ncurses port, and they >> all seemed to work OK, so the right solution may be to deprecate the >> ncurses port or fold it into the mainline system. > > The way it's supposed to work is that emacs will depend on (and link to) > ncurses if it's installed when the emacs port is built, and to the base > system curses if not. I just did a quick test, and this was just what > did happen. So at least part of the problem is local to your system... Did you try installing the ncurses port and then rebuilding emacs? For some reason the library in the ncurses port doesn't define the termcap routines, leading to the problem. This computer has an extremely vanilla install of 8.2 with gnome. I'm having trouble figuring what I'm doing different from anyone else other than perhaps doing portupgrade more often than others do. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 22:21:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDD0106566C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7EE8FC1A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32so2860372qad.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.70.142 with SMTP id d14mr17222775qaj.66.1319408477754; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm24805166qao.1.2011.10.23.15.21.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SRZvv1NVtz2CG44 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:21:14 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111023182114.27de6815@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:21:19 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0500 Conrad J. Sabatier articulated: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:19:02 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > > What if you use Gnome's CD playing application, or something > > like XMMS with the CD audio plugin? I think your permissions > > are okay so you could make the drive play from your (non-root) > > user account. > > No, it seems that there's a severe level of "brokenness" that has been > introduced into the source tree with regards to CD devices. I've been > exploring this issue on my own system the last couple of days, and am > no closer to arriving at a solution than when I first started. > > None of the CD-related apps I have installed are working. cdcontrol > will read an audio CD OK, it seems, but playback is useless, since, > like most newer machines, I have no direct connection between the CD > drive and the audio device. > > Apps such as kscd, xmcd, etc. report no disc or no device found. grip > (using cdparanoia) will detect an audio disc and even fetch the > correct cddb info, but ripping fails completely. xmms reports "no > appropriate ioctl for device". > > This is progress? I tried raising this issue over a year ago; however, it never got any traction. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 22:53:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056AB1065677 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info (arpnet.drenet.info [174.136.104.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3F98FC1C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [10.0.0.5]) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98394F2C4C; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info ([10.0.0.5]) by localhost (arpnet.drenet.info [10.0.0.5]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33741-08; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from www.drenet.info (localhost [10.0.0.5]) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255D0F2C4A; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 216.110.94.228 (SquirrelMail authenticated user andre@drenet.info) by www.drenet.info with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: <94018fbc115aadbf9223693f362fa495.squirrel@www.drenet.info> In-Reply-To: <20111023191726.687390eb.tehnik@hackermail.com> References: <20111023191726.687390eb.tehnik@hackermail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:53:57 -0500 From: "Andre Goree" To: "tehnik" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:53:58 -0000 On Sun, October 23, 2011 10:17 am, tehnik wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0200 > Brent Clark wrote: > >> Hiya >> >> Im struggling to install / compile x11/kdelibs4. Would anyone know or >> please help me understand where I am going wrong. >> >> In file included from >> /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:33: >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:51: error: function definition does not >> declare parameters >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:123: error: function definition does >> not declare parameters >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:184: error: function definition does >> not declare parameters >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:241: error: expected initializer before >> '&' token >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:242: error: expected initializer before >> '&' token >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:243: error: expected initializer before >> '&' token >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:244: error: expected initializer before >> '&' token >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:245: error: expected initializer before >> '&' token >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:246: error: expected initializer before >> '&' token >> /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc: >> In member function 'void KBookmark::updateAccessMetadata()': >> /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:548: >> error: incomplete type 'QDateTime' used in nested name specifier >> *** Error code 1 >> 1 error >> *** Error code 2 >> 1 error >> *** Error code 2 >> 1 error >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4. >> ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa >> /tmp/portinstall20111023-2898-rske50-0 env make >> ** Fix the problem and try again. >> ---> Skipping 'multimedia/kdenlive' because a requisite port >> 'x11/kdelibs4' failed (specify -k to force) >> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) >> ! x11/kdelibs4 (unknown build error) >> * multimedia/kdenlive >> [bclark@bclark-laptop /usr/ports/multimedia]$ >> >> Kind Regards >> Brent Clark >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Me helped delete qt3 > > -- > tehnik > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I'm having this same exact issue, the compile is failing at the same exact spot. I've removed the only port that had any trace of qt3 in the name, however I still get the error when trying to compile. [root@desktop kdelibs4]# pkg_info -xI qt3 qt4-qt3support-4.7.4 Qt3 compatibility library I've also rebuilt a few other ports that I thought my have been the culprit(devel/py-qt4-core, devel/py-sip), but to no avail. Any other ideas or hints? -- Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 22:58:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0152A106564A for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8428FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id p9NMw8j5007107; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id p9NMw8bF007105; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:58:08 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: "John R. Levine" Message-ID: <20111023225808.GA6341@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:58:10 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 06:03:10PM +0200, John R. Levine wrote: > >>>On 23/10/2011 09:03, John R. Levine wrote: > >>>>> checking for tparm in -lncurses... no > >>>>> > >>>>>but that's not correct. libncurses should certainly contain that > >>>>>symbol. I get a 'yes' there on my stable/8 machine. As -lncurses is > >>>>>part of your LDFLAGS ... hmmm... do you have libncurses on your syst= em > >>>>>anywhere other than in /lib ? > >>>> > >>>>I have the ncurses-5.9 package installed from ports. Several gnome > >>>>programs depend on it: > >>>> > >>>>pkg_delete: package 'ncurses-5.9' is required by these other packages > >>>>and may not be deinstalled: > >>>>aalib-1.4.r5_6 > >>>>gnome-games-2.32.1_2 > >>>>guile-1.8.8 > >>>>libcdio-0.82_2 > >>>>libxine-1.1.19_7 > >>> > >>>Interesting. Can you try moving /usr/local/lib/libncurses.* and > >>>/usr/local/include/ncurses.h aside temporarily and then rebuild emacs? > >>>If that works, then looks like you've found a bug in the editors/emacs > >>>port, which should be reported to the port's maintainer. > >> > >>Yup, that fixed it. I'll file a bug report. I tried rebuilding some > >>of the packages that allegedly depend on the ncurses port, and they > >>all seemed to work OK, so the right solution may be to deprecate the > >>ncurses port or fold it into the mainline system. ncurses is already in the base system - with different options. See http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/tctest.html for example. > >The way it's supposed to work is that emacs will depend on (and link to) > >ncurses if it's installed when the emacs port is built, and to the base > >system curses if not. I just did a quick test, and this was just what > >did happen. So at least part of the problem is local to your system... >=20 > Did you try installing the ncurses port and then rebuilding emacs? For=20 > some reason the library in the ncurses port doesn't define the termcap=20 > routines, leading to the problem. Whether or not the termcap routines are provided isn't configurable. However, emacs could be confused since they're implemented on top of terminfo. --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFOpJvFtIqByHxlDocRAgi9AJ4ncFuZZFmHI/HQ4psIpQ1p9+Kw6wCfXf0I TUHvxnx3etGXwYZ7EFj25II= =pe+8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 23:24:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF651065673 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0270e1faa1=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0503B8FC08 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 48932 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 23:23:59 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2011 23:23:59 -0000 Date: 23 Oct 2011 23:23:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20111023232336.2351.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111023225808.GA6341@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: dickey@radix.net Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:24:00 -0000 >ncurses is already in the base system - with different options. ... >> Did you try installing the ncurses port and then rebuilding emacs? For >> some reason the library in the ncurses port doesn't define the termcap >> routines, leading to the problem. > >Whether or not the termcap routines are provided isn't configurable. >However, emacs could be confused since they're implemented on top >of terminfo. It sounds to me like the right thing to do is to fix emacs' configuration so it always uses the base system ncurses whether or not the package version is there. Right? R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 23 23:40:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBDF106566C for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2BC8FC14 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id p9NNe4j5012925; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id p9NNe4QC012924; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:40:04 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: John Levine Message-ID: <20111023234004.GA12404@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111023225808.GA6341@saltmine.radix.net> <20111023232336.2351.qmail@joyce.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111023232336.2351.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Cc: dickey@radix.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:40:05 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:23:36PM -0000, John Levine wrote: > >ncurses is already in the base system - with different options. ... >=20 > >> Did you try installing the ncurses port and then rebuilding emacs? For= =20 > >> some reason the library in the ncurses port doesn't define the termcap= =20 > >> routines, leading to the problem. > > > >Whether or not the termcap routines are provided isn't configurable. > >However, emacs could be confused since they're implemented on top > >of terminfo. >=20 > It sounds to me like the right thing to do is to fix emacs' configuration > so it always uses the base system ncurses whether or not the package > version is there. Right? maybe/maybe not. It depends on what emacs needs - whether it only works with either its own termcap module or a conventional termcap library in the system. Probably its installation documentation tells what's needed. --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFOpKW4tIqByHxlDocRAv+XAJ9nrPc+GOUeTZlGFo8TCgSw+gsG5gCgp/m4 RyZmI0uXVngGhWzHp1rYdVw= =XOGj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 00:19:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7581065674 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor1.peak.org (redcondor1.peak.org [69.59.192.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8905B8FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by redcondor1.peak.org ({e03e86cd-14ae-47ce-9578-3c080ce9c462}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20111024001913623 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:19:13 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59FBA488B92 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4DD61F12 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A04BD99 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9NNsRVl003635; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20331.1319246965@tristatelogic.com> <87aa8t6442.fsf@oak.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:54:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87aa8t6442.fsf@oak.localnet> (Carl Johnson's message of "Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:29:33 -0700") Message-ID: <8739ejz2ks.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help needed: sound/audio only semi-working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:19:28 -0000 Carl Johnson writes: > "Ronald F. Guilmette" writes: > >> I've been bringing up a new amd64 box with 8.2-RELEASE. So far I've managed >> to get everything installed OK, including a boatload of freshly-built ports. >> I've even gotten flash10 working with firefox... well... >> >> Unfortunately, this is only MOSTLY working. The video works great, but for >> audio all I get is absolute silence. __snip__ > I also have a Gigabyte board with HDA audio, and it won't directly play > CD sound either. I had already ripped all of my CDs to .ogg files, so I > hadn't needed to play the CDs directly. I just tested ripping a small > section of a CD using cdparanoia and it does produce a .wav audio file > that can be played using sox. I also notice on my computer that mixer > doesn't show any controls for CD audio. Unfortunately, I don't remember > if CDs worked properly on this computer when I had Linux installed, so I > don't know if the problem is FreeBSD or the motherboard. I did find > that I have a program called kscd (for KDE) that will play, but I > suspect that it uses digital extraction instead of playing from audio. > > My system uses a Gigabyte GA-MA785GPM-US2H, and the sndstat output is: > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play) > pcm1: (play/rec) default > pcm2: (play/rec) > pcm3: (play/rec) Just to follow up, I just rebooted into Linux and the CD audio appears to work properly on it and the CD mixer control seems to work properly. I have FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE, so it may have changed since then. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 00:25:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D065C106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E828FC14 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111024002521.MOSX3808.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net> for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:25:21 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id oQRL1h00G55wwzE02QRLMS; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:25:21 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4EA4B071.0026,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JNCtwntptMiyo25fG9f4JMJ4e7YP6+V1gQ04g6QTQkw= c=1 sm=1 a=RWe5u1kQBc0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=2HfUqu_aWEj2XROjuEMA:9 a=W5cbSGd5-9_B0Jzxt04A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9O0PKsV020612 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:25:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:25:15 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111023192515.5c3da303@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:25:27 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0500 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > No, it seems that there's a severe level of "brokenness" that has been > introduced into the source tree with regards to CD devices. I've been > exploring this issue on my own system the last couple of days, and am > no closer to arriving at a solution than when I first started. > > None of the CD-related apps I have installed are working. cdcontrol > will read an audio CD OK, it seems, but playback is useless, since, > like most newer machines, I have no direct connection between the CD > drive and the audio device. > > Apps such as kscd, xmcd, etc. report no disc or no device found. grip > (using cdparanoia) will detect an audio disc and even fetch the > correct cddb info, but ripping fails completely. xmms reports "no > appropriate ioctl for device". > > This is progress? OK, I've made a little headway here. At least, I've managed to get cdrtools to work once again, after rebuilding/installing the port and setting the default device to the SCSI address (1,0,0) of cd0 instead of the device name. Grip is now working with cdda2wav. Hallelujah! :-) Still can't seem to get plain old audio CD playback working with anything, though. :-( -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 00:55:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB58A1065670 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-198-245.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ABD16068F; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EA4B792.2000906@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:55:46 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Mueller References: <20111022080608.C0136106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA3109A.4050402@FreeBSD.org> <20111023100740.CAA8D1065670@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20111023100740.CAA8D1065670@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: which ports require dialog during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:55:46 -0000 On 10/23/2011 02:48, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Doug Barton : > >> I like to have all config dialogs done and out of the way. > >> You might want to consider using portmaster, which handles that >> (and a bunch of other stuff) for you. > > I think portmaster has an equivalent for 'portupgrade -R' to > portupgrade dependencies? > > I think one would use 'portupgrade -r' less frequently. I've never used portupgrade, so I don't know the answer to those questions, sorry. The portmaster man page should be helpful. > I like to save a build log, would the config-recursive part be > disrupted or disruptive? I don't understand that question either. :) portmaster has an option to log build/install, and it's completely separate from the process of showing the user the config dialogs. The configuration option to save those logs is in the portmaster man page. > NetBSD pkgsrc, which has been ported to other mostly (quasi-)Unix > OSes as well, has a better way: putting options in /etc/mk.conf : not > to say NetBSD pkgsrc is better than FreeBSD ports system, just that > they have a good idea in this aspect. You might want to look at ports-mgmt/portconf. In many ways the OPTIONS dialog is superior to having to write out options in config files. OTOH, a needed improvement to it is that the defaults should take the settings that are already in the environment into account. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 01:30:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46131106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnorwick@centurytel.net) Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20448FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:30:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mnorwick.centurytel.net Received: from bucksnort.norwickhouse.net (174-124-0-99.dyn.centurytel.net [174.124.0.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p9O1UdBb001002 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:30:40 GMT Message-ID: <4EA4BFBF.6090400@centurytel.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:30:39 -0500 From: "Michael D. Norwick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110829 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> <20111023192515.5c3da303@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111023192515.5c3da303@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=A7xYAXdbsEBr/bZV6XYBuwT/5cFad3zqvkfMZA5Sp88= c=1 sm=1 a=_tW4y8GFV1YA:10 a=RWe5u1kQBc0A:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=RS4BPVj6fjYT/oHfSUhZ9g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=rse5b9ODQFdKuBi-AlIA:9 a=YOVoxs8ofXmzTMOyX2MA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=hbJcULHzMp9lDF10:21 a=z8xE3a4idPQsKgIy:21 a=RS4BPVj6fjYT/oHfSUhZ9g==:117 Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:30:43 -0000 On 10/23/11 19:25, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0500 > "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: >> No, it seems that there's a severe level of "brokenness" that has been >> introduced into the source tree with regards to CD devices. < snip > Good Day; Ditto on this thread. No amount of deinstall/reinstall, recompiling kernels and world, or config file tweaking have granted me success. As I have posted; I am on $uname -a FreeBSD ****.****..net 9.0-RC1 FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 #0: Sun Oct 23 12:32:55 CDT 2011 root@****.****.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_102311 amd64 on a Dell Latitude D630. $dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 #0: Sun Oct 23 12:32:55 CDT 2011 root@****.****.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_102311 amd64 can't re-use a leaf (if_tun_debug)! module_register: module if_tun already exists! Module if_tun failed to register: 17 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz (1994.48-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6fd Family = 6 Model = f Stepping = 13 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0xe3bd AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 1073741824 (1024 MB) avail memory = 1002573824 (956 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 3f55b800 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 vgapci0: port 0xeff8-0xefff mem 0xfea00000-0xfeafffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0 agp0: on vgapci0 agp0: aperture size is 256M, detected 7676k stolen memory vgapci1: mem 0xfeb00000-0xfebfffff at device 2.1 on pci--More--(byte 2278) uhci0: port 0x6f20-0x6f3f irq 20 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus0: on uhci0 uhci1: port 0x6f00-0x6f1f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus1: on uhci1 ehci0: mem 0xfed1c400-0xfed1c7ff irq 22 at device 26.7 on pci0 usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 usbus2: on ehci0 hdac0: mem 0xfe9fc000-0xfe9fffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci11: on pcib1 pcib2: at device 28.1 on pci0 pci12: on pcib2 wpi0: mem 0xfe8ff000-0xfe8fffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci12 pcib3: at device 28.5 on pci0 pci9: on pcib3 bge0: CHIP ID 0x0000a002; ASIC REV 0x0a; CHIP REV 0xa0; PCI-E miibus0: on bge0 brgphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, auto, auto-flow bge0: Ethernet address: 00:21:70:91:6a:a5 uhci2: port 0x6f80-0x6f9f irq 20 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci2: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus3: on uhci2 uhci3: port 0x6f60-0x6f7f irq 21 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci3: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus4: on uhci3 uhci4: port 0x6f40-0x6f5f irq 22 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci4: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus5: on uhci4 ehci1: mem 0xfed1c000-0xfed1c3ff irq 20 at device 29.7 on pci0 usbus6: EHCI version 1.0 usbus6: on ehci1 pcib4: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib4 cbb0: at device 1.0 on pci3 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xfe6ff000-0xfe6fffff,0xfe6fe800-0xfe6fefff irq 19 at device 1.4 on pci3 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 8. fwohci0: EUI64 36:4f:c0:00:38:ad:b1:c1 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 1 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 36:4f:c0:ad:b1:c1 fwe0: Ethernet address: 36:4f:c0:ad:b1:c1 fwip0: on firewire0 fwip0: Firewire address: 36:4f:c0:00:38:ad:b1:c1 @ 0xfffe00000000, S400, maxrec 2048 sbp0: on firewire0 dcons_crom0: on firewire0 dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x135c000 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: BUS reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: node_id=0x00000000, SelfID Count=1, CYCLEMASTER mode isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x6fa0-0x6faf irq 16 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ahci0: port 0x6eb0-0x6eb7,0x6eb8-0x6ebb,0x6ec0-0x6ec7,0x6ec8-0x6ecb,0x6ee0-0x6eff mem 0xfe9fb800-0xfe9fbf-- 5988) ff irq 17 at device 31.2 on pci0 ahci0: AHCI v1.10 with 3 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier not supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 2 on ahci0 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 battery1: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64,0x62,0x66 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71,0x72-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43,0x50-0x53 irq 2 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range est0: on cpu0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 est1: on cpu1 p4tcc1: on cpu1 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Sigmatel STAC9205X hdac0: HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0 cable IRM irm(0) (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus6: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub3: on usbus3 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub5: on usbus5 ugen6.1: at usbus6 uhub6: on usbus6 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub6: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered ugen5.2: at usbus5 uhub7: on usbus5 ugen5.2: at usbus5 uhub7: on usbus5 ugen4.2: at usbus4 ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA-7 SATA 2.x device ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 76319MB (156301488 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad4 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! ums0: on usbus4 cd0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.300MB/s transfers (UDMA2, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p2 [rw]... uhub7: 4 ports with 3 removable, self powered ugen5.3: at usbus5 drm0: on vgapci0 info: [drm] MSI enabled 1 message(s) info: [drm] AGP at 0xe0000000 256MB info: [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20080730 I haven't had much luck searching freebsd-multimedia@ either. Bug report time? Thank You, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 01:44:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142FE106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirnym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00118FC13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so5215803ggn.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=MZ9/xFXw0ICEPCEW8T+E3aru8oL5IzbNfe5gvHHl01Y=; b=U+nwiJ5ptEYXgI6tu1sG0cHGM7/Y2oG3/FgP/0eGatsYpj4N4fr+lw3irfepTuIDov n60amDzskY3xZN02FtQZof7Ln4kvrA57RP6FRpaw6ONDOmLEbxniMbkQXTxXNGVeXut6 X2M9DHwVW3t+iKLzv5dORfd0nk4VdhZm5gb6o= Received: by 10.182.152.66 with SMTP id uw2mr2815865obb.17.1319419142361; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.28.227 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Eir Nym Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:18:41 +0400 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Install FreeBSD using Windows desktop and PXE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:44:17 -0000 Hi, I want to install FreeBSD to my second box and I have only Windows 7 x64 desktop without CD drives. 1. I have access to remote FreeBSD server (via SSH) where I can make custom FreeBSD installation in any format. 2. I know how to create TFTP/DHCPD/PXE server to boot loader and kernel. So questions are: 1) Do I able to boot some minimal FreeBSD environment without NFS aka embedded BSD to install fully functional environment? What things should I do to boot up it? How can I use Crunch/MFS_ROOT ?? 2) How can I write it to Flash drive in Windows 7? dd/flashnul/rawrite/rawcopy/etc are not working under this OS: it blocks access to drives even administrative rights. -- Eir Nym From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 02:38:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F185106566B; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:38:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444AD8FC0C; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:38:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=GNQq9LqitpfZcg17x2VyXfdw/zy6NuVTWfK/Y9F6Fxw=; b=Dy7hgxUJSPT5XJCu09W6MWjqUCZMeE8MZzLfigAdFbUgkZeu0dLO8ut8vuWRDhxOSWaTYQLQOObwpJDpm/t/lK+Dy/IEwEazXdsHJl+guWpKC0lYOfRQ3vM0ND4w7fOhNB3vl1f+AfL11rohaqvmNZJOqStZqql+42hyaPx0JNk= Received: from [192.168.1.134] ([120.29.64.160]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:38:13 -0700 Message-ID: <4EA4CF91.1000706@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:38:09 +0800 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-followup@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2011 02:38:13.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9FD64D0:01CC91F5] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: Subject: Re: bin/161927: bsdinstall(8): has no help describing what is happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:38:13 -0000 From-To: open->closed By: nwhitehorn When: Sun Oct 23 15:18:39 UTC 2011 Why: There is help throughout, in particular in the partition editor, which shows help in the bottom line of the screen. More verbose help (e.g. pressing F1 to open a help screen) will likely come later. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=161927 If there is help throughout it sure is not in the 9.0 RC1 version. I object to the closing of this pr without any review by the current list. I can not understand how you can say there is help info provided in bsdinstall. The very first dialog box where users select (install) has no help. Every dialog box shown should have a help option. Saying it will come later is not the professional way software is released to the public. This is not the Freebsd standard. bsdinstall is the front door to FreeBSD and is the first thing installers see when trying to install it. Do you really want to show the public such a lack of pride in doing a complete job. In its current condition bsdinstall is not ready to be released. It gives the public the wrong impression (image) of what a great OS Freebsd is. Too many developers and other volunteers have invested tons of hours to have their united effort disrespected by a installer that is incomplete. This pr about adding help info is not the only outstanding pr on bsdinstall. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 03:19:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65391106579A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 03:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daryl@ci.com.au) Received: from mippet.ci.com.au (mippet.ci.com.au [192.65.182.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEE78FC1F for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 03:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mippet.ci.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mippet.ci.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.4/CE101231/cmlga) with ESMTP id p9O30Uoq013038; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:00:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from daryl@mippet.ci.com.au) Received: (from daryl@localhost) by mippet.ci.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9O30TpG013031; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:00:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from daryl) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:00:29 +1100 (EST) From: Daryl Sayers Message-Id: <201110240300.p9O30TpG013031@mippet.ci.com.au> To: freebsd@optiksecurite.com In-reply-to: <4EA44085.6060203@optiksecurite.com> (message from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD_Optik_S=E9curit=E9?= on Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:27:49 -0400) References: <4EA44085.6060203@optiksecurite.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.65.182.30 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and glabels when export/importing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 03:19:28 -0000 >>>>> "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD" == =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD Optik S=E9curit=E9?= writes: > Le 2011-10-18 21:57, Daryl Sayers a écrit : >> Had a prblem when I needed to export a zpool and import again. The pool used >> glabels for each device but after the import the pool is now using the raw >> devices names. >> >> >> sandbox# zpool create -f tank3 raidz1 /dev/label/012 /dev/label/066 label/040 label/064 >> sandbox# zpool status >> pool: tank3 >> state: ONLINE >> scan: none requested >> config: >> >> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM >> tank3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> label/012 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> label/066 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> label/040 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> label/064 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> >> sandbox# glabel list | grep Name >> 1. Name: label/012 >> 1. Name: ada0 >> 1. Name: label/066 >> 1. Name: ada1 >> 1. Name: label/040 >> 1. Name: ada2 >> 1. Name: label/064 >> 1. Name: ada3 >> >> sandbox# zpool export tank3 >> sandbox# glabel list | grep Name >> 1. Name: label/012 >> 1. Name: ada0 >> 1. Name: label/066 >> 1. Name: ada1 >> 1. Name: label/040 >> 1. Name: ada2 >> 1. Name: label/064 >> 1. Name: ada3 >> sandbox# zpool import tank3 >> sandbox# glabel list >> sandbox# zpool status >> pool: tank3 >> state: ONLINE >> scan: none requested >> config: >> >> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM >> tank3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> ada0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> ada1 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> ada2 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> ada3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The only way I could get zfs to use the glabels without destroying the pool >> was to install a new drive, glabel it and then replace that with the first >> drive, then do the same for each drive. >> >> sandbox# zpool replace -f tank3 /dev/ada0 label/014 >> ... wait for completion >> sandbox# zpool replace -f tank3 /dev/ada1 label/012 >> ... wait for completion >> >> Note that I did not need to glabel any drive (except the newly installed >> spare) so the label was still intact on each drive. >> >> So, How do I do an export and import and still keep the glabels that the >> original pool was created with. >> > Hi! > I just tried it and had no problem on 9.0-BETA3 AMD64. The labels were > still intact and used by ZFS after the import. Which FreeBSD version are > you using? > Martin Yeh, Sorry I forgot to highlight the versions. FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 ZFS filesystem version 5 ZFS storage pool version 28 -- Daryl Sayers Direct: +612 95525510 Corinthian Engineering Office: +612 95525500 Suite 54, Jones Bay Wharf Fax: +612 95525549 26-32 Pirrama Rd email: daryl@ci.com.au Pyrmont NSW 2009 Australia www: http://www.ci.com.au From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 05:44:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FB6106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx) Received: from WORKSTATION.guice.ath.cx (static-72-66-82-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.82.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FC18FC15 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wtp1.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by WORKSTATION.guice.ath.cx (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9O5in7U045329; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:44:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx) Received: from 72.66.82.53 (SquirrelMail authenticated user email) by wtp1.ath.cx with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:44:49 -0400 Message-ID: <8176718eca284cb27f7be2efc5dfcfa4.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:44:49 -0400 From: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx To: "Michael Sierchio" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System randomly not logging complete bi-directional traffic. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:44:50 -0000 Thanks for everyone's patients. In reply to Michael asking about the rule set used; the issue happens without ipfw. We temporarily employed ipfw to help and confirm whether traffic was in fact coming into port 80 and while randomly not being logged or seen by FreeBSD's syslogd, or by the web server. It became more of a concern when both tshark and tcpdump are seen capturing the traffic in both directions, yet the web server nor syslogd (before using ipfw), were found to randomly not log certain incoming traffic to port 80; as can be seen by the sample provided in the beginning of this thread. So, to be perfectly clear, with or without ipfw this logging issue remains. > Sorry to have missed your prior post - please include the entire > ruleset. Thanks. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, wrote: >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> # >> # >> # FreeBSD_7-4 RELEASE >> # Our hardware is pristine >> # >> # What is described herein are regular, yet random occurrences; we need >> help. >> >> We have already performed a reinstall of FreeBSD_7-4 RELEASE (and the >> daemons in question); the issue remains. Below, is part of a >> conversation >> with an httpd whereby the packets (entire conversations) are randomly >> 'not' being logged and/or seen by either the httpd nor ipfw (logging >> enabled), yet both tshark and tcpdump are capturing everything. >> >> To be perfectly clear, httpd and ipfw (randomly) will not see/log >> anything >> of an 'entire conversation'.  It is not like it drops certain packets of >> a >> conversation; they (httpd/ipfw) either see and log everything during a >> conversation, or, 'do not see' and 'do not log' any packet associated >> with >> a given conversation; all the while tshark and tcpdump are capturing >> everything (bidirectional); hence the connection is real. >> >> The capture below was witnessed by both tshark and tcpdump, but not >> logged >> via the httpd or the following ipfw rule: >> >> $cmd 00029 deny log logamount 0 ip from "table(1)" to me 80 >> >> The above ipfw rule functions properly from "table(1)" which contains -- >> ip.ip.ip.ip/32 -- one (1) ip per line. >> >> The names (below) were changed to protect the innocent; yeah right. >> >> Internet Protocol Version 4, Src: ex.ter.nal.ip (ex.ter.nal.ip), Dst: >> in.ter.nal.ip (in.ter.nal.ip) >>    Version: 4 >>    Header length: 20 bytes >>    Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00: >> Not-ECT (Not ECN-Capable Transport)) >>        0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) >> .... >> ..00 = Explicit Congestion Notification: Not-ECT (Not >> ECN-Capable Transport) (0x00) >>    Total Length: 60 >>    Identification: 0x8ce5 (36069) >>    Flags: 0x02 (Don't Fragment) >>        0... .... = Reserved bit: Not set >>        .1.. .... = Don't fragment: Set >>        ..0. .... = More fragments: Not set >>    Fragment offset: 0 >>    Time to live: 251 >>    Protocol: TCP (6) >>    Header checksum: 0x9102 [correct] >>        [Good: True] >>        [Bad: False] >>    Source: ex.ter.nal.ip (ex.ter.nal.ip) >>    Destination: in.ter.nal.ip (in.ter.nal.ip) >> Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: 46463 (46463), Dst Port: http >> (80), Seq: 0, Len: 0 >>    Source port: 46463 (46463) >>    Destination port: http (80) >>    [Stream index: 19] >>    Sequence number: 0    (relative sequence number) >>    Header length: 40 bytes >>    Flags: 0x02 (SYN) >>        000. .... .... = Reserved: Not set >>        ...0 .... .... = Nonce: Not set >>        .... 0... .... = Congestion Window Reduced (CWR): Not set >>        .... .0.. .... = ECN-Echo: Not set >>        .... ..0. .... = Urgent: Not set >>        .... ...0 .... = Acknowledgement: Not set >>        .... .... 0... = Push: Not set >>        .... .... .0.. = Reset: Not set >>        .... .... ..1. = Syn: Set >>            [Expert Info (Chat/Sequence): Connection establish request >> (SYN): server port http] >>                [Message: Connection establish request (SYN): server port >> http] >>                [Severity level: Chat] >>                [Group: Sequence] >>        .... .... ...0 = Fin: Not set >>    Window size value: 5840 >>    [Calculated window size: 5840] >>    Checksum: 0xe7f8 [validation disabled] >>        [Good Checksum: False] >>        [Bad Checksum: False] >>    Options: (20 bytes) >>        Maximum segment size: 1460 bytes >>        TCP SACK Permitted Option: True >>        Timestamps: TSval 309029146, TSecr 0 >>            Kind: Timestamp (8) >>            Length: 10 >>            Timestamp value: 309029146 >>            Timestamp echo reply: 0 >>        No-Operation (NOP) >>        Window scale: 7 (multiply by 128) >>            Kind: Window Scale (3) >>            Length: 3 >>            Shift count: 7 >>            [Multiplier: 128] >>    Frame Number: 51 >>    Frame Length: 74 bytes (592 bits) >>    Capture Length: 74 bytes (592 bits) >>    [Frame is marked: False] >>    [Frame is ignored: False] >>    [Protocols in frame: eth:ip:tcp] >> Ethernet II, Src: Router_cf:gr:f0 (11:52:c3:fd:dd:f0), Dst: Goe_40:84:21 >> (00:15:18:40:28:41) >>    Destination: Goe_40:84:21 (00:15:18:40:28:41) >>        Address: Goe_40:84:21 (00:15:18:40:28:41) >>        .... ...0 .... .... .... .... = IG bit: Individual address >> (unicast) >>        .... ..0. .... .... .... .... = LG bit: Globally unique address >> (factory default) >>    Source: Router_cf:gr:f0 (11:52:c3:fd:dd:f0) >>        Address: Router_cf:gr:f0 (11:52:c3:fd:dd:f0) >>        .... ...0 .... .... .... .... = IG bit: Individual address >> (unicast) >>        .... ..0. .... .... .... .... = LG bit: Globally unique address >> (factory default) >>    Type: IP (0x0800) >> Internet Protocol Version 4, Src: ex.ter.nal.ip (ex.ter.nal.ip), Dst: >> in.ter.nal.ip (in.ter.nal.ip) >>    Version: 4 >>    Header length: 20 bytes >>    Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00: >> Not-ECT (Not ECN-Capable Transport)) >>        0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) >> .... >> ..00 = Explicit Congestion Notification: Not-ECT (Not >> ECN-Capable Transport) (0x00) >>    Total Length: 60 >>    Identification: 0x8ce5 (36069) >>    Flags: 0x02 (Don't Fragment) >>        0... .... = Reserved bit: Not set >>        .1.. .... = Don't fragment: Set >>        ..0. .... = More fragments: Not set >>    Fragment offset: 0 >>    Time to live: 251 >>    Protocol: TCP (6) >>    Header checksum: 0x9102 [correct] >>        [Good: True] >>        [Bad: False] >>    Source: ex.ter.nal.ip (ex.ter.nal.ip) >>    Destination: in.ter.nal.ip (in.ter.nal.ip) >> Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: 46463 (46463), Dst Port: http >> (80), Seq: 0, Len: 0 >>    Source port: 46463 (46463) >>    Destination port: http (80) >>    [Stream index: 19] >>    Sequence number: 0    (relative sequence number) >>    Header length: 40 bytes >>    Flags: 0x02 (SYN) >>        000. .... .... = Reserved: Not set >>        ...0 .... .... = Nonce: Not set >>        .... 0... .... = Congestion Window Reduced (CWR): Not set >>        .... .0.. .... = ECN-Echo: Not set >>        .... ..0. .... = Urgent: Not set >>        .... ...0 .... = Acknowledgement: Not set >>        .... .... 0... = Push: Not set >>        .... .... .0.. = Reset: Not set >>        .... .... ..1. = Syn: Set >>            [Expert Info (Chat/Sequence): Connection establish request >> (SYN): server port http] >>                [Message: Connection establish request (SYN): server port >> http] >>                [Severity level: Chat] >>                [Group: Sequence] >>        .... .... ...0 = Fin: Not set >>    Window size value: 5840 >>    [Calculated window size: 5840] >>    Checksum: 0xe7f8 [validation disabled] >>        [Good Checksum: False] >>        [Bad Checksum: False] >>    Options: (20 bytes) >>        Maximum segment size: 1460 bytes >>        TCP SACK Permitted Option: True >>        Timestamps: TSval 309029146, TSecr 0 >>            Kind: Timestamp (8) >>            Length: 10 >>            Timestamp value: 309029146 >>            Timestamp echo reply: 0 >>        No-Operation (NOP) >>        Window scale: 7 (multiply by 128) >>            Kind: Window Scale (3) >>            Length: 3 >>            Shift count: 7 >>            [Multiplier: 128] >> ================================ >> >> We first noticed this logging issue with Apache22 and thought httpd was >> the culprit; we installed another httpd and the problem remained.  At >> that >> point, with two (2) httpds' seemingly offering the same results we >> decided >> to enable ipfw and its logging feature. Shortly thereafter we notice >> ipfw >> was also randomly 'not seeing' the exact same traffic, destined for port >> 80, that neither httpd's were also 'not seeing', yet Tshark and tcpdump >> are in fact, capturing these packets. >> >> We would like help to troubleshoot this concern rather than blindly >> replacing things such as syslogd. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 05:49:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1670106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jontheil@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5978FC14 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32so2959032qad.13 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:49:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=7b3YVqsmx0vS2WTQIfDj+UXcI2g+Nl8eFfs7+EWZV4E=; b=NakQU89pdzqVCSD6+reQ+2p91yxZAm4UPP6TXYXxbkvtP3bpFXDKLerm8OxZhVaBXF TrkrDQhAnFdJV7ge0sdPjK+9901spVMr4NgUFECz0ih6Bg/wAVkg1S6CguG9tYWOAb9M O9rsIOBvT3VHn/zB4GgY/5EP01MJJZQ6pgGXg= Received: by 10.229.213.3 with SMTP id gu3mr977393qcb.211.1319433656561; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:20:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.21.143 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Theil Nielsen Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:20:26 +0200 Message-ID: To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Problems with php5-pdo_pgsql, libpq etc. after upgrading postgresql X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:49:10 -0000 Hi list, Last week, I ran portupgrade as usual (after reading UPDATING). At lot of ports were upgraded, one of them the postgresql database. In the first place, I had to change the user name to start and access the database (I placed postgresql_class="postgres" in /etc/rc.conf). Secondly, I could not use davical (caldav calendar server) anymore. I cannot connect to the database and when I try to access the web interface, I get an error: Fatal error: PDO connection error 'pgsql:dbname=davical user=davical_app': could not find driver in /usr/local/share/awl/inc/AwlDBDialect.php on line 78.* *I checked my php configuration through phpinfo and I could confirm that there was no pdo driver for postgresql. There were only drivers for sqlite and mysql. When I try to rebuild databases/php5-pdo_pgsql with portupgrade -fRv databases/php5-pdo_pgsql, I got this error: ... checking for gawk... gawk checking for PostgreSQL support for PDO... yes, shared checking for pg_config... /usr/local/bin/pg_config checking for openssl dependencies... no checking for PQparameterStatus in -lpq... no Unable to build the PDO PostgreSQL driver: libpq 7.4+ is required ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. My configuration: uname -a: FreeBSD servername 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sun Oct 16 04:26:18 CEST 2011 root@servername:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/servername i386 Some of the relevant ports: postgresql-client-8.4.9 postgresql-server-8.4.9_2 php5-pdo-5.3.8 php5-pdo_mysql-5.3.8 php5-pdo_pgsql-5.3.8 php5-pdo_sqlite-5.3.8 I will appreciate any help, since I really need this calendar server. -- *Jon Theil Nielsen* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 06:32:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8B6106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6C88FC17 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 53975 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2011 06:32:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=d2d4.4ea50680.k1110; bh=RdU2RGzHza8HtHKBgGsBYr6oTqu/nHLm455feHcqvXg=; b=IUnL3QvrXrm3u5mT3mG5mKoCNTtQv3/oReo4/Ycq596KocsIvDmbhEeX5TEb3IH8N4iDTL2gfyUTs2/A1nTwR6cLFCtMlP/OJPCyoEe/BQyH1XXX9/6Gyg9+q9j0ANutdOzDzWmRAf1qk/WtGY5ajDRdi43nsK4xGpa3D4ViQbQ= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 06:32:09 -0000 Date: 24 Oct 2011 08:32:30 +0200 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Thomas Dickey" In-Reply-To: <20111023234004.GA12404@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111023225808.GA6341@saltmine.radix.net> <20111023232336.2351.qmail@joyce.lan> <20111023234004.GA12404@saltmine.radix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:32:33 -0000 >> It sounds to me like the right thing to do is to fix emacs' configuration >> so it always uses the base system ncurses whether or not the package >> version is there. Right? > > maybe/maybe not. It depends on what emacs needs - whether it only works > with either its own termcap module or a conventional termcap library in > the system. Probably its installation documentation tells what's needed. If you look at the build log I posted, it's failing because it's trying to link in the system termcap library and failing because ncurses doesn't provide it. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 06:35:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB8E106567F for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from mail1.dur1.host-h.net (mail1.dur1.host-h.net [196.7.18.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4848FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.7.147.49] (helo=[192.168.1.86]) by mail1.dur1.host-h.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RIE7c-00072C-TE; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:34:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4EA50710.7020105@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:34:56 +0200 From: Brent Clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110307 Lightning/1.0b1 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tehnik References: <20111023191103.86f61168.tehnik@hackermail.com> In-Reply-To: <20111023191103.86f61168.tehnik@hackermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.2/13843/Mon Oct 24 05:10:43 2011) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:35:01 -0000 On 23/10/2011 17:11, tehnik wrote: > > Delete qt3 Hiya That did the trick. Thanks. Last question. How did you know qt3 was the problem? Regards Brent Clark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 07:10:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03528106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C1C8FC16 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9O7AXvR058434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:10:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p9O7AXvR058434 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1319440234; bh=YgbdeKMhJ3pzBct63CtXVlOXygwt5/zZpc8MJnymVmI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=WWiu9+bQ8WC3dMMS13zZFrYpQxwPPB8WUFn0J/+gGQjSnp1DF9RX56gDnkr/NxK/y g/QSy6EIf/zyu1z5QMW849dw8tlpA6qRvIVEgGZ+fXTXF4r2s3jD6pa7gmhySH8bSY /LGxpjYIX7QT2z6Mfzi3GWEWXt17lhze2O8X+en4= Message-ID: <4EA50F62.3040903@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:10:26 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eir Nym References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0E3E03DC5A5310F659D599AE" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Install FreeBSD using Windows desktop and PXE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:10:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0E3E03DC5A5310F659D599AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24/10/2011 02:18, Eir Nym wrote: > I want to install FreeBSD to my second box and I have only Windows 7 > x64 desktop without CD drives. > 1. I have access to remote FreeBSD server (via SSH) where I can make > custom FreeBSD installation in any format. > 2. I know how to create TFTP/DHCPD/PXE server to boot loader and kernel= =2E >=20 > So questions are: > 1) Do I able to boot some minimal FreeBSD environment without NFS aka > embedded BSD to install fully functional environment? What things > should I do to boot up it? > How can I use Crunch/MFS_ROOT ?? You should be able to PXE boot FreeBSD and then mount a copy of one of the install DVDs by NFS from where you can run the system installer. That is, you mount the root filesystem via NFS while you're running the installer. In principle this should be enough for you to install FreeBSD locally on your second machine. This is quite unusual stuff, and probably not as well tested as more orthodox installation mechanisms. It might be simpler if you can install from a USB memory stick image. > 2) How can I write it to Flash drive in Windows 7? > dd/flashnul/rawrite/rawcopy/etc are not working under this OS: it > blocks access to drives even administrative rights. If you can boot the install media, then you aren't running Windows 7 any more, and the restrictions imposed by that OS simply don't apply. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Configuring IPFW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:47:37 -0000 On 10/22/11 15:56, Carmel wrote: > I am attempting to set up a firewall using IPFW with a stateful > behavior. > > While I have investigated how to set up these rules, I have run into > conflicting opinions as to whether to all or deny "established" > behavior. > hi, Carmel the point is : any pkt that carries ACK flag MUST be dropped UNLESS belnonging to an established session as dictaded in a FOLLOWING rule that use keep-state keyword. look at this example # generic header ipfw add pass ip from any to any via lo0 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 ipfw add deny log ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #ipfw add deny log ip from any to 192.168.0.0/16 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 172.16.0.0/12 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 10.0.0.0/8 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 0.0.0.0/8 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 169.254.0.0/16 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 192.0.2.0/24 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 204.152.64.0/23 ipfw add deny log ip from any to 224.0.0.0/3 ipfw add deny log ip from any to any frag # allow any pkt with ACK flag set *if and only if* it matches an # established connection ipfw add check-state # and deny all other *claiming* to belonging to a "valid" connection ipfw add deny log tcp from any to A.B.C.D/M established # router/firewall mgmt exception ipfw add pass tcp from me to 192.168.43.0/24 33 setup keep-state ipfw add pass udp from me to 192.168.43.0/24 53, 123, 514 ipfw add pass tcp from 192.168.43.0/24 to me 22 setup keep-state ipfw add pass udp from 192.168.43.0/24 123 to me ipfw add pass udp from 192.168.43.0/24 53 to me ipfw add pass tcp from 192.168.43.0/24 to 192.168.35.1 23 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from A.B.C.D/M to 192.168.35.1 23 setup keep-state ipfw add deny log all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 # # operational hosts # # wikileaks : web + full mail ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 22 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 25 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 80 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 110 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 143 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 443 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 465 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 993 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.E 995 setup keep-state # jkwolf : dns + ntp ipfw add pass tcp from any to A.B.C.F 22 setup keep-state ipfw add pass tcp from G.H.J.K/N to A.B.C.F 53 setup keep-state ipfw add pass udp from any 1024-65535 to A.B.C.F 53 ipfw add pass udp from any 53 to A.B.C.D/M 1024-65535 ipfw add pass udp from any 123 to A.B.C.D/M 123 ipfw add pass udp from A.B.C.F 1024-65535 to any 53 # generic tail ipfw add pass tcp from A.B.C.D/M to any setup keep-state ipfw add pass udp from A.B.C.D/M to any ipfw add pass icmp from any to A.B.C.D/M icmptypes 0,3,8,11 ipfw add pass icmp from A.B.C.D/M to any icmptypes 0,3,8,11 ipfw add deny log ip from any to any Alessandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 08:57:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172A51065670; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023848FC08; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:57:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-210-172-143.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.210.172.143]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20111024085721H03002sfs3e>; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:57:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.172.143] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20111022080608.C0136106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA3109A.4050402@FreeBSD.org> <20111023100740.CAA8D1065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA4B792.2000906@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <20111024085726.172A51065670@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Doug Barton Subject: Re: which ports require dialog during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:57:26 -0000 from Doug Barton : > > I like to save a build log, would the config-recursive part be > > disrupted or disruptive? > I don't understand that question either. :) portmaster has an option to > log build/install, and it's completely separate from the process of > showing the user the config dialogs. The configuration option to save > those logs is in the portmaster man page. > > NetBSD pkgsrc, which has been ported to other mostly (quasi-)Unix > > OSes as well, has a better way: putting options in /etc/mk.conf : not > > to say NetBSD pkgsrc is better than FreeBSD ports system, just that > > they have a good idea in this aspect. > You might want to look at ports-mgmt/portconf. In many ways the OPTIONS > dialog is superior to having to write out options in config files. OTOH, > a needed improvement to it is that the defaults should take the settings > that are already in the environment into account. > Doug The disruptive part is in make package-recursive | & tee build.log or equally with 'make install clean' Then the config dialog messes up and is practically impossible to navigate. Only hope is to go to another virtual terminal and make config on the port that called up the config dialog. So would portmaster give me a similar log file without conio and stdio going to war with each other? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:09:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974E6106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-198-245.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52001151504; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EA52B44.4060803@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:09:24 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Mueller References: <20111022080608.C0136106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA3109A.4050402@FreeBSD.org> <20111023100740.CAA8D1065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4EA4B792.2000906@FreeBSD.org> <20111024085726.172A51065670@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20111024085726.172A51065670@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: which ports require dialog during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:09:24 -0000 On 10/24/2011 01:57, Thomas Mueller wrote: > So would portmaster give me a similar log file without conio and stdio going to war with each other? To the extent that I understand your question, I think portmaster can help. Why don't you install it, read the man page, and give it a try. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:16:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAAB106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Received: from vivaldi.pn.sinp.msu.ru (vivaldi.pn.sinp.msu.ru [213.131.11.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7708A8FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vivaldi.pn.sinp.msu.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9O8xugn021196 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:59:57 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from svysh@pn.sinp.msu.ru) Message-ID: <4EA52929.6050600@pn.sinp.msu.ru> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:00:25 +0400 From: Sergei Vyshenski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at vivaldi.pn.sinp.msu.ru X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: GEOM after system update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:16:56 -0000 Hi, Is it safe to ignore a sting in gmesg: GEOM: ad10s1: geometry does not match label (255h,63s != 16h,63s). This appeared after system update 7.4-stable --> 8.2-stable. Everything seems to work fine, but "disklabel ad10s1" is anxious too: disklabel: partition c doesn't cover the whole unit! disklabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard system utilities Despite major discussion on this issue during last 2 years, still no definite (or official?) answer or recipe could be found. All the best, Sergei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:30:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89CA106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirnym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE538FC08 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so5555952ggn.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j5kHGdvQz+J5oKjBrkM8UST2/T38IbQZaymhKg8QFEM=; b=HLeUYA/p+MXbB012y2OYaSmNvzpG+J23yFCbjmBz5ehdSrGuHVeF/febITGWh6k8me HTUQ6lp5DrV3wMjQ4bcXwnI74PmHUlSKdpemXtrInd8eHbD5NvOdoRr1JQCLNLrLD5M0 Lf6JhuItbo5uLD/mW/9MwkTGwpY2Kv7ZWJUZw= Received: by 10.182.41.69 with SMTP id d5mr839160obl.47.1319448603401; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:30:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.28.227 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:29:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4EA50F62.3040903@infracaninophile.co.uk> From: Eir Nym Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:29:42 +0400 Message-ID: To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Install FreeBSD using Windows desktop and PXE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:30:06 -0000 -- Eir Nym On 24 October 2011 13:23, Eir Nym wrote: > > > =E2=9C=AA > > On 24 Oct 2011, at 11:10, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On 24/10/2011 02:18, Eir Nym wrote: >>> I want to install FreeBSD to my second box and I have only Windows 7 >>> x64 desktop without CD drives. >>> 1. I have access to remote FreeBSD server (via SSH) where I can make >>> custom FreeBSD installation in any format. >>> 2. I know how to create TFTP/DHCPD/PXE server to boot loader and kernel= . >>> >>> So questions are: >>> 1) Do I able to boot some minimal FreeBSD environment without NFS aka >>> embedded BSD to install fully functional environment? What things >>> should I do to boot up it? >>> How can I use Crunch/MFS_ROOT ?? >> >> You should be able to PXE boot FreeBSD and then mount a copy of one of >> the install DVDs by NFS from where you can run the system installer. >> That is, you mount the root filesystem via NFS while you're running the >> installer. >> > > There's simple tftp server for Windows with dhcpd features. But NFS serve= r becomes available only in Windows 2008 platform. > >> In principle this should be enough for you to install FreeBSD locally on >> your second machine. =C2=A0This is quite unusual stuff, and probably not= as >> well tested as more orthodox installation mechanisms. >> >> It might be simpler if you can install from a USB memory stick image. > > I'm looking for USB image I'm looking for USB image writer which works in Windows 7 to write raw image to USB drive >> >>> 2) How can I write it to Flash drive in Windows 7? >>> dd/flashnul/rawrite/rawcopy/etc are not working under this OS: it >>> blocks access to drives even administrative rights. >> >> If you can boot the install media, then you aren't running Windows 7 any >> more, and the restrictions imposed by that OS simply don't apply. >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers, >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Matthew >> >> -- >> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7 Priory Courtyard >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Flat 3 >> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ramsgate >> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Kent, CT11 9PW >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:31:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7907A106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antonio@antonioshome.net) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2A68FC1B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi40 with SMTP id 40so7657797wyi.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:31:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.38.66 with SMTP id a2mr598528wbe.81.1319448669027; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.95.68 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [87.223.146.209] Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:31:08 +0200 Message-ID: From: Antonio Vieiro To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Recommended nVidia card for cuda/opencl on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:31:10 -0000 > On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:37:28 +0200 > Antonio Vieiro articulated: > >> Would anyone on the list suggest a cheap nVidia replacement that can >> do cuda/opencl? > > Define "cheap". Below USD$50 would be perfect, below USD$75 would be not-so perfect. Above that would be expensive just for experimentation. Thanks, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:31:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764E5106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BB48FC16 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwn22 with SMTP id 22so3362700wwn.1 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.14.195 with SMTP id d45mr2770009wed.90.1319447365821; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (fpc2-nmal8-0-0-cust4.croy.static.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b5sm37782105wbh.4.2011.10.24.02.09.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EA52B42.1050603@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:09:22 +0100 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: serial console problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:31:43 -0000 I have a collocated server which had serial console access. The server centre re-located the server and left off the serial console. The server worked fine for a few hours, but then access got slower and slower and eventually died. Could it be that the lack of a console is causing that? I'm think the console may want to flush its buffer or is waiting on a question etc etc. Whilst I was able to communicate with it I could see that an fsck was happening so perhaps it's asking permission to clean up or something. Of course I have asked the centre staff to re-connect the consol so I can see what's going on, but that is happening as fast as hell freezes. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:40:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A96106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antonio@antonioshome.net) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB628FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi40 with SMTP id 40so7668934wyi.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.38.66 with SMTP id a2mr610142wbe.81.1319449224457; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.95.68 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [87.223.146.209] Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:40:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: Antonio Vieiro To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Recommended nVidia card for cuda/opencl on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:26 -0000 > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:59:58 -0700 > From: ??????? ???????? > Subject: Re: Recommended nVidia card for cuda/opencl on FreeBSD? > To: FreeBSD > Message-ID: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 > > Do you want CUDA 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.1 compatible? I have a 9800GT > (pretty cheap now-a-days + it runs modern games), which has the lowest CU= DA > 1.0. > > Also, I am interested in how you will do the work. Currently, it's necess= ary > to run the CUDA SDK and Toolkit under Linux emulation or chroot, despite = the > fact that the NVIDIA drivers for FreeBSD include CUDA support. According = to > this, > http://blogs.freebsdish.org/jhb/2010/07/20/using-cuda-with-the-native-fre= ebsdamd64-nvidia-driver/, > you still need to compile the CUDA apps under Linux, where the SDK is. On= ly > after that you can run the binaries on FreeBSD. > Since this is just for experimentation I imagine cuda 1.0 would do. The SDK on Linux is a non issue, I imagine. Thanks for the info, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 09:40:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBDA10656A4 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB20A8FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id p9O9eWj5000810; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id p9O9eSC5000809; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:40:28 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: "John R. Levine" Message-ID: <20111024094028.GA27596@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111023225808.GA6341@saltmine.radix.net> <20111023232336.2351.qmail@joyce.lan> <20111023234004.GA12404@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Cc: Thomas Dickey , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:40:34 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 08:32:30AM +0200, John R. Levine wrote: > >>It sounds to me like the right thing to do is to fix emacs' configurati= on > >>so it always uses the base system ncurses whether or not the package > >>version is there. Right? > > > >maybe/maybe not. It depends on what emacs needs - whether it only works > >with either its own termcap module or a conventional termcap library in > >the system. Probably its installation documentation tells what's needed. >=20 > If you look at the build log I posted, it's failing because it's trying t= o=20 > link in the system termcap library and failing because ncurses doesn't=20 > provide it. In other places, "-ltermcap" is symlinked to -lncurses ("provide" can be taken in more than one way - the functions are always available, whether or not the port is written to use them). A quick look at the emacs 23.3 sources shows various things relevant to ncurses: a) the configure script makes a special check on netbsd to use ncurses rather than the termcap library. b) it has a very old comment suggesting where to get the terminfo or termcap sources (pre-1997). c) the NEWS file points out that LIBS_TERMCAP is either terminfo or termcap. d) src/s/freebsd.h defines LIBS_TERMCAP to -lncurses unless the system is before FreeBSD 4.0 e) src/Makefile.in uses machine.h (in this case derived from the previously-mentioned file). There's enough in the emacs sources to make it pretty clear that a failure to have emacs find the termcap functions would be a problem in the emacs port - emacs prefers -lncurses to -ltermcap unless it's being overridden. --=20 Thomas E. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:39:29 -0000 On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:31:08 +0200 Antonio Vieiro articulated: > Below USD$50 would be perfect, below USD$75 would be not-so perfect. That doesn't make any sense. I think what you mean is anything less than $75 would be acceptable; however, a price below $50 would be advantageous. I think you should be aware of the fact that you get what you pay for. Cheap, aka "low end" cards often work poorly. For a relatively few dollars more, a far superior card can usually be purchased. Whether or no FreeBSD can fully utilize a higher end device is another matter entirely. I have several PCs with high quality wireless "N" cards that FreeBSD doesn't have a clue about. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 11:16:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1AD1065670 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkotrla@angelo.edu) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BD5B8FC17 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20282 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2011 11:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box269.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.69) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 11:16:08 -0000 Received: from c75-111-238-176.sangcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net ([75.111.238.176] helo=local.localhost) by box269.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RIIVj-0006PM-ON for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:16:08 -0600 Message-ID: <4EA548C5.4060309@angelo.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:15:17 -0500 From: John Kotrla User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111021 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.questions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EA50F62.3040903@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1011:box269.bluehost.com:reflecv3:johnkotrla.com} {sentby:smtp auth 75.111.238.176 authed with me@johnkotrla.com} Subject: Re: Install FreeBSD using Windows desktop and PXE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:16:09 -0000 On 10/24/11 04:29, Eir Nym wrote: > -- Eir Nym > > > > On 24 October 2011 13:23, Eir Nym wrote: >> >> >> ✪ >> >> On 24 Oct 2011, at 11:10, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> >>> On 24/10/2011 02:18, Eir Nym wrote: >>>> I want to install FreeBSD to my second box and I have only Windows 7 >>>> x64 desktop without CD drives. >>>> 1. I have access to remote FreeBSD server (via SSH) where I can make >>>> custom FreeBSD installation in any format. >>>> 2. I know how to create TFTP/DHCPD/PXE server to boot loader and kernel. >>>> >>>> So questions are: >>>> 1) Do I able to boot some minimal FreeBSD environment without NFS aka >>>> embedded BSD to install fully functional environment? What things >>>> should I do to boot up it? >>>> How can I use Crunch/MFS_ROOT ?? >>> >>> You should be able to PXE boot FreeBSD and then mount a copy of one of >>> the install DVDs by NFS from where you can run the system installer. >>> That is, you mount the root filesystem via NFS while you're running the >>> installer. >>> >> >> There's simple tftp server for Windows with dhcpd features. But NFS server becomes available only in Windows 2008 platform. >> >>> In principle this should be enough for you to install FreeBSD locally on >>> your second machine. This is quite unusual stuff, and probably not as >>> well tested as more orthodox installation mechanisms. >>> >>> It might be simpler if you can install from a USB memory stick image. >> >> I'm looking for USB image > > I'm looking for USB image writer which works in Windows 7 to write raw > image to USB drive https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer > >>> >>>> 2) How can I write it to Flash drive in Windows 7? >>>> dd/flashnul/rawrite/rawcopy/etc are not working under this OS: it >>>> blocks access to drives even administrative rights. >>> >>> If you can boot the install media, then you aren't running Windows 7 any >>> more, and the restrictions imposed by that OS simply don't apply. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> -- >>> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard >>> Flat 3 >>> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate >>> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 11:20:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9094106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DD68FC1A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RIIZa-0004oa-4R for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:20:06 +0200 Received: from c75-111-238-176.sangcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net ([75.111.238.176]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:20:06 +0200 Received: from jkotrla by c75-111-238-176.sangcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:20:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Kotrla Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:15:17 -0500 Lines: 72 Message-ID: <4EA548C5.4060309@angelo.edu> References: <4EA50F62.3040903@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c75-111-238-176.sangcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111021 Thunderbird/7.0.1 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Install FreeBSD using Windows desktop and PXE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:20:09 -0000 On 10/24/11 04:29, Eir Nym wrote: > -- Eir Nym > > > > On 24 October 2011 13:23, Eir Nym wrote: >> >> >> ✪ >> >> On 24 Oct 2011, at 11:10, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> >>> On 24/10/2011 02:18, Eir Nym wrote: >>>> I want to install FreeBSD to my second box and I have only Windows 7 >>>> x64 desktop without CD drives. >>>> 1. I have access to remote FreeBSD server (via SSH) where I can make >>>> custom FreeBSD installation in any format. >>>> 2. I know how to create TFTP/DHCPD/PXE server to boot loader and kernel. >>>> >>>> So questions are: >>>> 1) Do I able to boot some minimal FreeBSD environment without NFS aka >>>> embedded BSD to install fully functional environment? What things >>>> should I do to boot up it? >>>> How can I use Crunch/MFS_ROOT ?? >>> >>> You should be able to PXE boot FreeBSD and then mount a copy of one of >>> the install DVDs by NFS from where you can run the system installer. >>> That is, you mount the root filesystem via NFS while you're running the >>> installer. >>> >> >> There's simple tftp server for Windows with dhcpd features. But NFS server becomes available only in Windows 2008 platform. >> >>> In principle this should be enough for you to install FreeBSD locally on >>> your second machine. This is quite unusual stuff, and probably not as >>> well tested as more orthodox installation mechanisms. >>> >>> It might be simpler if you can install from a USB memory stick image. >> >> I'm looking for USB image > > I'm looking for USB image writer which works in Windows 7 to write raw > image to USB drive https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer > >>> >>>> 2) How can I write it to Flash drive in Windows 7? >>>> dd/flashnul/rawrite/rawcopy/etc are not working under this OS: it >>>> blocks access to drives even administrative rights. >>> >>> If you can boot the install media, then you aren't running Windows 7 any >>> more, and the restrictions imposed by that OS simply don't apply. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> -- >>> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard >>> Flat 3 >>> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate >>> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 11:35:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2C2106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:35:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEA98FC14 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23738 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2011 11:35:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=5cb9.4ea54d85.k1110; bh=fYPfRUI/06dOEGXai3g9+NY1jv73pvP2Rr9rU95eM/Q=; b=cAWcwE3/aqwCj93ltEQGWYUIr/xH1is7/YZFydmvybKtGc9yUw0EphhJ3N+CDaie+9vOF/3ywtRfttWVV5vzPwBFXvXR3+QM9alVMOB7QFRuzBHJgrtcG2QCgPrBIP+0WP8TSu0qgmk7t5N21Cz6CDLdwUXG66fSISNtNNpMl20= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 11:35:11 -0000 Date: 24 Oct 2011 13:35:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Thomas Dickey" In-Reply-To: <20111024094028.GA27596@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111023225808.GA6341@saltmine.radix.net> <20111023232336.2351.qmail@joyce.lan> <20111023234004.GA12404@saltmine.radix.net> <20111024094028.GA27596@saltmine.radix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:35:34 -0000 > There's enough in the emacs sources to make it pretty clear that a > failure to have emacs find the termcap functions would be a problem > in the emacs port - emacs prefers -lncurses to -ltermcap unless it's > being overridden. Well, OK. Now we know that on FreeBSD that doesn't work, since there's an optional ncurses library that doesn't define the termcap functions. Do we fix it, or wave our hands and claim it's someone else's fault? Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 12:24:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D92106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB098FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:24:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21197811 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:24:49 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9OCOnU3070972 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:24:49 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9OCOm1T070971 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:24:48 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:24:48 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:24:55 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to restore a UFS2 zero level dump sized about 51G. > > > > > restore has created 6105 directories and no files at all, and now is > > > > > waiting forever in the runnable state. > > Side note: I have already restored UFS level zero dumps of 130G, even > into FreeBSD in a VM, without any kind of problem. Don't know UFS2, > though. How many files did your 130G filesystem have? My 51G dump should contain 1769484 files in 24705 directories. > > > > > > > > I don't have any specific advice here, but if it were me I think my > > > > next troubleshooting step would be to attach truss to the restore > > > > process after it gets "stuck," to try to see exactly what it's doing. > > > > That may give you a clue as to why it's taking so long and whether > > > > it's actually making any progress. > > > > > > It's doing something like that. I should have piped the output > > > through uniq not to clutter the list, but on second thought, I decided > > > not to: > > > > > > # truss -p 18568 > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > > lseek(4,0x0,SEEK_CUR) = 25395100 (0x1837f9c) > > Asuming 4 is the fd of the restore device, i.e. the DUMP, this seek does > nothing: moves to offset of 0 bytes from the current position. Are you > sure that the device (tape?) is fine? Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours 15 minutes. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 12:51:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB0C1065674 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF2B8FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:51:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21198562 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:51:52 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9OCppAu071318 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:51:51 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9OCppl5071317 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:51:51 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:51:50 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111024125150.GA71251@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> <20111023172135.GA48830@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023174150.GA1076@tiny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111023174150.GA1076@tiny> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:51:54 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > I have already copied the dump from tape to disk with dd and tried restoring > > from the disk file with the same effect. > > > > The disk is fine in the sense that the dump file can be copied from > > tape to disk and from disk to /dev/null without any errors. > > Can restore(8) do a listing of the DUMP? Sure. The listing has 1330237 lines. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 13:17:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8218C1065674 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397438FC14 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.53]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBF2A70145 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19129 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2011 13:17:35 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 22830, pid: 28609, t: 0.1986s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:13495 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Oct 2011 13:17:35 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 000872E0DA; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: "John R. Levine" References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:17:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (John R. Levine's message of "23 Oct 2011 18:03:10 +0200") Message-ID: <44y5wattox.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:17:37 -0000 "John R. Levine" writes: >>>> On 23/10/2011 09:03, John R. Levine wrote: >>>>>> checking for tparm in -lncurses... no >>>>>> >>>>>> but that's not correct. libncurses should certainly contain that >>>>>> symbol. I get a 'yes' there on my stable/8 machine. As -lncurses is >>>>>> part of your LDFLAGS ... hmmm... do you have libncurses on your system >>>>>> anywhere other than in /lib ? >>>>> >>>>> I have the ncurses-5.9 package installed from ports. Several gnome >>>>> programs depend on it: >>>>> >>>>> pkg_delete: package 'ncurses-5.9' is required by these other packages >>>>> and may not be deinstalled: >>>>> aalib-1.4.r5_6 >>>>> gnome-games-2.32.1_2 >>>>> guile-1.8.8 >>>>> libcdio-0.82_2 >>>>> libxine-1.1.19_7 >>>> >>>> Interesting. Can you try moving /usr/local/lib/libncurses.* and >>>> /usr/local/include/ncurses.h aside temporarily and then rebuild emacs? >>>> If that works, then looks like you've found a bug in the editors/emacs >>>> port, which should be reported to the port's maintainer. >>> >>> Yup, that fixed it. I'll file a bug report. I tried rebuilding some >>> of the packages that allegedly depend on the ncurses port, and they >>> all seemed to work OK, so the right solution may be to deprecate the >>> ncurses port or fold it into the mainline system. >> >> The way it's supposed to work is that emacs will depend on (and link to) >> ncurses if it's installed when the emacs port is built, and to the base >> system curses if not. I just did a quick test, and this was just what >> did happen. So at least part of the problem is local to your system... > > Did you try installing the ncurses port and then rebuilding emacs? For > some reason the library in the ncurses port doesn't define the termcap > routines, leading to the problem. Yes, that's just what I did, and I got an emacs that was linked against the port version of ncurses. It worked fine. I then deleted the ncurses port to make sure emacs *really* was using ncurses from the port, and, indeed, emacs stopped working. > This computer has an extremely vanilla install of 8.2 with gnome. I'm > having trouble figuring what I'm doing different from anyone else > other than perhaps doing portupgrade more often than others do. I do it pretty often myself... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 13:22:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CB81065673 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:22:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA898FC15 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 46573 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2011 13:22:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=b5ec.4ea5669b.k1110; bh=4tA7tQ1vvpb+Hu+tU6B9QQStCCAwIxec4FWN52YTDOU=; b=VPTgWVAFVJ3itml+PCUQHEBVLigA/EaAkRL/ilHXCtlooDbxxG6XasOGahM+zj1YO7tfWecTmoCT3UynxHtQCbtQZAYhAW4GT5EOXlFny0gvwLYjuE2InG+zmItlsN90vPDwB76/DWX6Hk2Zj+g3hPLRoTto+/VY0hbZUAhY7BI= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 13:22:13 -0000 Date: 24 Oct 2011 15:22:34 +0200 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44y5wattox.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <44y5wattox.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:22:37 -0000 > Yes, that's just what I did, and I got an emacs that was linked against > the port version of ncurses. It worked fine. I then deleted the > ncurses port to make sure emacs *really* was using ncurses from the > port, and, indeed, emacs stopped working. That is bizarre. I got the linker errors you saw in that log until I deleted the files from the ncurses port. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 13:55:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1762106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1DC8FC13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9ODtNR8069648; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9ODtN0F069645; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:55:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Victor Sudakov In-Reply-To: <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Message-ID: References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:55:24 -0000 On Mon, 24 Oct 2011, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon > CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours > 15 minutes. What are the specs for the system that wrote the dumpfile originally and the system that couldn't restore it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 14:14:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAD4106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825998FC1A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:14:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21200333 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:14:05 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9OEE49g072135 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:14:05 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9OEE4VR072134 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:14:04 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:14:04 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:14:08 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > > >Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon > >CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours > >15 minutes. > > What are the specs for the system that wrote the dumpfile originally 8.2-RELEASE-p3 amd64, 8GB RAM and 2xXeon 2.66GHz > and the system that couldn't restore it? FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p10 i386, 256M RAM, Pentium II 350.80MHz (yes, it's pretty old). -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 14:19:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B51B106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851A28FC14 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58179 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2011 14:18:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=e342.4ea573d2.k1110; bh=NGd6GQqtNZQ/cyD9B+XKme6yhA7tfhK8trucz1upuaI=; b=awJCmk7ZglSDiQZdYWf0xlrVQhouzLD4nuPBKH0Eb4oCbEawDjcpIwtzMJEtVU37dAHtmAOPMi3UHSYr6mES6+986AH7IrjL4CwlSaM5p9pvMJZazOYCsEV9WDhF8WOGdphA0BKaXIGsQBJQOzEKs32TRrCAl/cxhHNyTJ1jaNA= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 14:18:36 -0000 Date: 24 Oct 2011 16:18:57 +0200 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44y5wattox.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <20111023071127.65536.qmail@joyce.lan> <4EA3C5A1.2080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4EA3E3E3.5030806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <44wrbv3bj9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <44y5wattox.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Updating emacs fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:19:00 -0000 > Yes, that's just what I did, and I got an emacs that was linked against > the port version of ncurses. It worked fine. I deinstalled and rebuilt and reinstalled the ncurses port, and now emacs builds fine. Gaaah. I think the former version was the package that gets installed with 8.2, but reconstructing the former state would be a challenge. So, uh, I guess we chalk it up to bit rot. "Never mind." I have a couple of other ports that fail in similar ways, but I think I'll wiggle a few more moving parts before reporting the problem. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 14:29:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAA4106566C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE728FC13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9OETptT047408; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:29:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4EA5765C.20701@sentex.net> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:29:48 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> In-Reply-To: <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:29:53 -0000 On 10/24/2011 10:14 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Warren Block wrote: >> >>> Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon >>> CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours >>> 15 minutes. >> >> What are the specs for the system that wrote the dumpfile originally > > 8.2-RELEASE-p3 amd64, 8GB RAM and 2xXeon 2.66GHz > >> and the system that couldn't restore it? > > FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p10 i386, 256M RAM, Pentium II 350.80MHz (yes, > it's pretty old). ufs1 vs ufs2 ? Also if there are a lot of files, restore needs quite a bit of RAM. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 14:38:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AD81065673 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF538FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:38:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21200964 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:38:17 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9OEcHMN072388 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:38:17 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9OEcHnm072387 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:38:17 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:38:16 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111024143816.GA72280@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <4EA5765C.20701@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EA5765C.20701@sentex.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:38:20 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> > >>> Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon > >>> CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours > >>> 15 minutes. > >> > >> What are the specs for the system that wrote the dumpfile originally > > > > 8.2-RELEASE-p3 amd64, 8GB RAM and 2xXeon 2.66GHz > > > >> and the system that couldn't restore it? > > > > FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p10 i386, 256M RAM, Pentium II 350.80MHz (yes, > > it's pretty old). > > ufs1 vs ufs2 ? UFS2 on the first host, irrelevant on the second host (I was trying "restore -rN"). > Also if there are a lot of files, restore needs quite a bit of RAM. I should think so, but it generated no errors or "out of swap" messages. It was just running forever. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 15:04:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD28106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:04:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCBA8FC19 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi40 with SMTP id 40so8090305wyi.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.55.146 with SMTP id u18mr2639407wbg.28.1319467002472; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.81.193 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4EA52929.6050600@pn.sinp.msu.ru> References: <4EA52929.6050600@pn.sinp.msu.ru> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Sergei Vyshenski Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GEOM after system update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:04:36 -0000 You could edit the label and make it cover the unit, then run growfs (assuming you have backups), but for the most part this can safely be ignored. 2011/10/24 Sergei Vyshenski : > Hi, > > Is it safe to ignore a sting in gmesg: > > GEOM: ad10s1: geometry does not match label (255h,63s != 16h,63s). > > This appeared after system update 7.4-stable --> 8.2-stable. > Everything seems to work fine, but "disklabel ad10s1" is anxious too: > > disklabel: partition c doesn't cover the whole unit! > disklabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard > system utilities > > Despite major discussion on this issue during last 2 years, > still no definite (or official?) answer or recipe could be found. > > All the best, Sergei > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 15:08:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EED1065675 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7DE8FC17 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9OF8XBp037839; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:08:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:08:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110241508.p9OF8XBp037839@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, vas@mpeks.tomsk.su In-Reply-To: <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Cc: Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:08:44 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 24 09:14:25 2011 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:14:04 +0700 > From: Victor Sudakov > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) > > Warren Block wrote: > > > > >Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon > > >CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours > > >15 minutes. > > > > What are the specs for the system that wrote the dumpfile originally > > 8.2-RELEASE-p3 amd64, 8GB RAM and 2xXeon 2.66GHz > > > and the system that couldn't restore it? > > FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p10 i386, 256M RAM, Pentium II 350.80MHz (yes, > it's pretty old). *WITHOUT* checking, I'm willing to bet that _that_ is the problem. An O/S limit on the size of a _file_ -- a 32-bit 'offset' type. And a 'large' file in the dump. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 15:22:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69B31065675 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B788FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:22:03 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.100.151] ([96.22.43.18]) by VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0LTK00636TCOJO70@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4EA582DF.6000006@optiksecurite.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:23:11 -0400 From: FreeBSD Optik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 To: Daryl Sayers References: <4EA44085.6060203@optiksecurite.com> <201110240300.p9O30TpG013031@mippet.ci.com.au> In-reply-to: <201110240300.p9O30TpG013031@mippet.ci.com.au> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and glabels when export/importing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:22:03 -0000 Le 2011-10-23 23:00, Daryl Sayers a écrit : >>>>>> "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD" == =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FreeBSD Optik S=E9curit=E9?= writes: >> Le 2011-10-18 21:57, Daryl Sayers a écrit : >>> Had a prblem when I needed to export a zpool and import again. The pool used >>> glabels for each device but after the import the pool is now using the raw >>> devices names. >>> >>> >>> sandbox# zpool create -f tank3 raidz1 /dev/label/012 /dev/label/066 label/040 label/064 >>> sandbox# zpool status >>> pool: tank3 >>> state: ONLINE >>> scan: none requested >>> config: >>> >>> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM >>> tank3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> label/012 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> label/066 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> label/040 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> label/064 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> >>> sandbox# glabel list | grep Name >>> 1. Name: label/012 >>> 1. Name: ada0 >>> 1. Name: label/066 >>> 1. Name: ada1 >>> 1. Name: label/040 >>> 1. Name: ada2 >>> 1. Name: label/064 >>> 1. Name: ada3 >>> >>> sandbox# zpool export tank3 >>> sandbox# glabel list | grep Name >>> 1. Name: label/012 >>> 1. Name: ada0 >>> 1. Name: label/066 >>> 1. Name: ada1 >>> 1. Name: label/040 >>> 1. Name: ada2 >>> 1. Name: label/064 >>> 1. Name: ada3 >>> sandbox# zpool import tank3 >>> sandbox# glabel list >>> sandbox# zpool status >>> pool: tank3 >>> state: ONLINE >>> scan: none requested >>> config: >>> >>> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM >>> tank3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> ada0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> ada1 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> ada2 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> ada3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The only way I could get zfs to use the glabels without destroying the pool >>> was to install a new drive, glabel it and then replace that with the first >>> drive, then do the same for each drive. >>> >>> sandbox# zpool replace -f tank3 /dev/ada0 label/014 >>> ... wait for completion >>> sandbox# zpool replace -f tank3 /dev/ada1 label/012 >>> ... wait for completion >>> >>> Note that I did not need to glabel any drive (except the newly installed >>> spare) so the label was still intact on each drive. >>> >>> So, How do I do an export and import and still keep the glabels that the >>> original pool was created with. >>> >> Hi! >> I just tried it and had no problem on 9.0-BETA3 AMD64. The labels were >> still intact and used by ZFS after the import. Which FreeBSD version are >> you using? >> Martin > Yeh, Sorry I forgot to highlight the versions. > > FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 > ZFS filesystem version 5 > ZFS storage pool version 28 > > I don't know what to say except try it with 9.0, if possible. The RC1 just got out. I'm no expert on this, sorry I can't be more helpful. Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 15:48:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B55106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tehnik@hackermail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BC638FC1A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Oct 2011 15:48:11 -0000 Received: from 196.113.129.213-pppoe-dynamic.uvttk.ru (EHLO ALICE.localnet) [213.129.113.196] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 11:48:11 -0400 X-Authenticated: #80418231 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/GXWl8FijGFYW+Afc8FQE+BMqKXu/vaToWWTDVRD ovyLuKwFz7TWtk Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:47:27 +0400 From: tehnik To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111024194727.6d08390a.tehnik@hackermail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EA50710.7020105@gmail.com> References: <20111023191103.86f61168.tehnik@hackermail.com> <4EA50710.7020105@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:48:13 -0000 On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:34:56 +0200 Brent Clark wrote: > On 23/10/2011 17:11, tehnik wrote: > > > > Delete qt3 > > Hiya > > That did the trick. Thanks. > > Last question. How did you know qt3 was the problem? > > Regards > Brent Clark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I found the solution by accident. -- tehnik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 15:50:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077931065670 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tehnik@hackermail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B80E98FC1B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Oct 2011 15:50:30 -0000 Received: from 196.113.129.213-pppoe-dynamic.uvttk.ru (EHLO ALICE.localnet) [213.129.113.196] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 24 Oct 2011 11:50:30 -0400 X-Authenticated: #80418231 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18LhiJnXZ4L2ogBzBCN+xEClsN8N6mb7lIXX88snv n7vRXbWaT4R5zo Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:49:47 +0400 From: tehnik To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111024194947.f7b7128e.tehnik@hackermail.com> In-Reply-To: <94018fbc115aadbf9223693f362fa495.squirrel@www.drenet.info> References: <20111023191726.687390eb.tehnik@hackermail.com> <94018fbc115aadbf9223693f362fa495.squirrel@www.drenet.info> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:50:32 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:53:57 -0500 "Andre Goree" wrote: > > On Sun, October 23, 2011 10:17 am, tehnik wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0200 > > Brent Clark wrote: > > > >> Hiya > >> > >> Im struggling to install / compile x11/kdelibs4. Would anyone know or > >> please help me understand where I am going wrong. > >> > >> In file included from > >> /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:33: > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:51: error: function definition does not > >> declare parameters > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:123: error: function definition does > >> not declare parameters > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:184: error: function definition does > >> not declare parameters > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:241: error: expected initializer before > >> '&' token > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:242: error: expected initializer before > >> '&' token > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:243: error: expected initializer before > >> '&' token > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:244: error: expected initializer before > >> '&' token > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:245: error: expected initializer before > >> '&' token > >> /usr/local/include/qdatetime.h:246: error: expected initializer before > >> '&' token > >> /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc: > >> In member function 'void KBookmark::updateAccessMetadata()': > >> /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4/work/kdelibs-4.7.2/kio/bookmarks/kbookmark.cc:548: > >> error: incomplete type 'QDateTime' used in nested name specifier > >> *** Error code 1 > >> 1 error > >> *** Error code 2 > >> 1 error > >> *** Error code 2 > >> 1 error > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs4. > >> ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa > >> /tmp/portinstall20111023-2898-rske50-0 env make > >> ** Fix the problem and try again. > >> ---> Skipping 'multimedia/kdenlive' because a requisite port > >> 'x11/kdelibs4' failed (specify -k to force) > >> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > >> ! x11/kdelibs4 (unknown build error) > >> * multimedia/kdenlive > >> [bclark@bclark-laptop /usr/ports/multimedia]$ > >> > >> Kind Regards > >> Brent Clark > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Me helped delete qt3 > > > > -- > > tehnik > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > I'm having this same exact issue, the compile is failing at the same exact > spot. I've removed the only port that had any trace of qt3 in the name, > however I still get the error when trying to compile. > > [root@desktop kdelibs4]# pkg_info -xI qt3 > qt4-qt3support-4.7.4 Qt3 compatibility library > > > I've also rebuilt a few other ports that I thought my have been the > culprit(devel/py-qt4-core, devel/py-sip), but to no avail. Any other > ideas or hints? > > > -- > Andre Goree > andre@drenet.info > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Me helped delete qt-3.3.8_13 and last make reinstall kdelibs4, but no portupgrade kdelibs4. -- tehnik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 18:07:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326FC106564A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3868FC14 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111024180714.UCMW3769.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:07:14 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id oi7D1h00N55wwzE02i7EJR; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:07:14 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EA5A952.007C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lmkoEMhPdVkBQPntbb70rK98v6kZ1j+NSndzSyxMypY= c=1 sm=1 a=RWe5u1kQBc0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=AfEfcmvjAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=tpz2n0JVOOogRh7CHi4A:9 a=NL5ijUhWXfGsaFjRAwQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2A2gPVWjU-cA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9OI7DUo024070; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:07:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:07:08 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111024130708.575b8c97@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111023182114.27de6815@scorpio> References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> <20111023182114.27de6815@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jerry@seibercom.net Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:07:21 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:21:14 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0500 > Conrad J. Sabatier articulated: > > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:19:02 +0200 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > What if you use Gnome's CD playing application, or something > > > like XMMS with the CD audio plugin? I think your permissions > > > are okay so you could make the drive play from your (non-root) > > > user account. > > > > No, it seems that there's a severe level of "brokenness" that has > > been introduced into the source tree with regards to CD devices. > > I've been exploring this issue on my own system the last couple of > > days, and am no closer to arriving at a solution than when I first > > started. > > > > None of the CD-related apps I have installed are working. cdcontrol > > will read an audio CD OK, it seems, but playback is useless, since, > > like most newer machines, I have no direct connection between the CD > > drive and the audio device. > > > > Apps such as kscd, xmcd, etc. report no disc or no device found. > > grip (using cdparanoia) will detect an audio disc and even fetch the > > correct cddb info, but ripping fails completely. xmms reports "no > > appropriate ioctl for device". > > > > This is progress? > > I tried raising this issue over a year ago; however, it never got any > traction. > Well, as I mentioned in an earlier followup, it's not *quite* as bad as my first impression led me to believe. After rebuilding a few ports and adjusting the naming of my CD device for some of them from the "/dev/cd0" device name to the SCSI address instead, they're working once again. The problem remains, though, with all of the audio CD playing apps I've tried. Either they don't detect the drive, don't detect the disc, or fail to read it properly. Grrr! It's definitely not a hardware issue per se, as I had Ubuntu running on this box a while back and all the audio apps were working just fine. If there have been some changes made in the kernel sources that necessitate patching each and every audio CD-related port, then there's something seriously wrong here, and it's time to take a step back and look at what's going on. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 18:18:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD043106566B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1568FC08 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo13 with SMTP id fo13so7843832vcb.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:18:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.153.12 with SMTP id i12mr1806141vcw.7.1319480284546; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.194.194 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:18:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.182.160] In-Reply-To: <4E9E41C6.3040309@gmail.com> References: <20111013203815.GA77278@slackbox.erewhon.net> <011A9DDF-464D-49A7-B0F9-96AF6360ED62@olivent.com> <4E98608B.40705@pukruppa.de> <4E9BD476.3070406@rfc1925.net> <4E9BD8C7.6040109@rktmb.org> <4E9E32D1.7050900@comcast.net> <4E9E41C6.3040309@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:18:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Jonathan Vomacka Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:18:05 -0000 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: >> On 10/17/2011 12:04 PM, Michael M wrote: >> *SNIP* / *PRUNE* >> >> For whatever it may be worth; I fully stand by dedicating the next >> release to dmr, as it wouldn't exist without him and Ken. > > +1 Another reason for a dmr release is that we've finally switched to clang/llvm. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 22:43:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2901065670 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myers@crusader.bac.edu) Received: from crusader.bac.edu (rrcs-24-172-71-237.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.172.71.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FC38FC0C for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from crusader.bac.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crusader.bac.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p9OM8Qcu046002; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from myers@crusader.bac.edu) Received: from localhost (myers@localhost) by crusader.bac.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id p9OM8Q6v045999; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from myers@crusader.bac.edu) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: William Myers To: Admin ValhallaProjectet In-Reply-To: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> Message-ID: <20111024180745.N45635@crusader.bac.edu> References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Breakin attempt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:43:17 -0000 I'm seeing the same thing from the same IP adresses. William Myers Associate Professor, Computer Studies 100 Belmont-Mount Holly Road Belmont Abbey College Belmont, NC 28012-1802 (704) 461-6823 FAX: (704) 461-5051 myers@crusader.bac.edu On Sat, 22 Oct 2011, Admin ValhallaProjectet wrote: > Hello all > > > > FreeBSD odin.thorshammare.org 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sat Oct 22 > 10:14:48 CEST 2011 hasse@odin.thorshammare.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ODIN > i386 > > Firewall PF. > > Blocking China and some other related countries in that region. > Disabled ssh root logins > > > > Apparently, I'm under some kind of attack, for the last 3 days. > > Lots of attempts to ssh in as root from many different IP addresses. > > No bruteforce attempts. > > This just puzzles me. Using all these resources ? To achieve what ? > > Below is a one hour snip from my auth.log > > Nothing unusual in pflog > > Appreciate all ideas of how to proceed with this mather. > > > > Best regards Hasse > > > > Oct 22 12:00:19 odin sshd[14359]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from server.fabian.cz > > Oct 22 12:01:08 odin sshd[14365]: Address 87.105.187.194 maps to > client-arsmedica-2.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl, but this does not map back to the > address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:01:09 odin sshd[14365]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.105.187.194 > > Oct 22 12:02:59 odin sshd[14422]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.229.7.163 > > Oct 22 12:03:36 odin sshd[14865]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 201.25.53.34 > > Oct 22 12:03:53 odin sshd[15571]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:05:18 odin sshd[18357]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 12.222.202.34 > > Oct 22 12:05:36 odin sshd[18375]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from mx.aysor.am > > Oct 22 12:05:53 odin sshd[18537]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 190.129.11.76 > > Oct 22 12:07:06 odin sshd[19429]: Address 80.188.13.214 maps to > www.profitaxi.cz, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE > BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:07:06 odin sshd[19429]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 80.188.13.214 > > Oct 22 12:07:27 odin sshd[19542]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 85.185.180.48 > > Oct 22 12:08:05 odin sshd[19591]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 208.125.137.121 > > Oct 22 12:09:45 odin sshd[19629]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.14.240.10 > > Oct 22 12:10:53 odin sshd[19699]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 200.160.121.246 > > Oct 22 12:10:59 odin sshd[19702]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 151.1.183.216 > > Oct 22 12:11:38 odin sshd[19787]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from crm.nepinc.com > > Oct 22 12:12:16 odin sshd[19830]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 189.16.12.146 > > Oct 22 12:12:45 odin sshd[19843]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from narro.uaaan.mx > > Oct 22 12:14:14 odin sshd[19913]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 217.128.151.181 > > Oct 22 12:14:56 odin sshd[19925]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > panda.zsuvoz.cz [195.178.81.116] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:14:56 odin sshd[19925]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 195.178.81.116 > > Oct 22 12:16:14 odin sshd[19995]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.193.246.26 > > Oct 22 12:16:23 odin sshd[20008]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 219.94.144.230 > > Oct 22 12:16:39 odin sshd[20026]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 82.130.143.216 > > Oct 22 12:17:41 odin sshd[20073]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.193.246.26 > > Oct 22 12:17:52 odin sshd[20102]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 82.130.143.216 > > Oct 22 12:21:16 odin sshd[20268]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 203.141.158.120 > > Oct 22 12:21:34 odin sshd[20286]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 208.125.137.121 > > Oct 22 12:22:05 odin sshd[20326]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > 86-100-134-185-ip.balticum.lt [86.100.134.185] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN > ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:22:05 odin sshd[20326]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 86.100.134.185 > > Oct 22 12:22:22 odin sshd[20339]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 201.232.69.113 > > Oct 22 12:23:35 odin sshd[20428]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.229.7.163 > > Oct 22 12:23:58 odin sshd[20486]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 65.161.248.26 > > Oct 22 12:24:39 odin sshd[20605]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 210.238.91.147 > > Oct 22 12:25:08 odin sshd[21400]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 12.222.202.34 > > Oct 22 12:26:08 odin sshd[23744]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from zodiaq3d.info > > Oct 22 12:26:56 odin sshd[23747]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from mx.cbc-group.kz > > Oct 22 12:30:26 odin sshd[23752]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 190.152.145.53 > > Oct 22 12:30:54 odin sshd[23757]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 80.24.95.85 > > Oct 22 12:30:59 odin sshd[23759]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 200.183.172.2 > > Oct 22 12:31:13 odin sshd[23755]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from starless.com.pl > > Oct 22 12:31:38 odin sshd[23764]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 61.19.252.236 > > Oct 22 12:32:21 odin sshd[23767]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:32:29 odin sshd[23770]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 65.82.69.5 > > Oct 22 12:33:36 odin sshd[23785]: Address 161.200.90.2 maps to > dsprl.eng.chula.ac.th, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE > BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:33:37 odin sshd[23785]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 161.200.90.2 > > Oct 22 12:34:48 odin sshd[23788]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.139.194.70 > > Oct 22 12:35:46 odin sshd[23793]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 61.19.45.119 > > Oct 22 12:36:20 odin sshd[23796]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > nat-div.azores.gov.pt [83.240.154.46] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:36:21 odin sshd[23796]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.240.154.46 > > Oct 22 12:36:56 odin sshd[23799]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:37:06 odin sshd[23802]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from supermodels.com > > Oct 22 12:38:45 odin sshd[23805]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 193.77.58.207 > > Oct 22 12:39:04 odin sshd[23808]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 80.26.69.233 > > Oct 22 12:40:53 odin sshd[23813]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from www.iitkgp.ac.in > > Oct 22 12:43:47 odin sshd[24680]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 213.195.75.188 > > Oct 22 12:44:20 odin sshd[24697]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 99.13.226.154 > > Oct 22 12:45:05 odin sshd[24730]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from bk19.com > > Oct 22 12:45:52 odin sshd[24738]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 91.191.170.146 > > Oct 22 12:46:01 odin sshd[24735]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 81.56.57.50 > > Oct 22 12:46:15 odin sshd[24743]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 217.128.151.181 > > Oct 22 12:46:27 odin sshd[24746]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > z-atman-ett.net.pl [193.111.37.122] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:46:28 odin sshd[24746]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 193.111.37.122 > > Oct 22 12:47:33 odin sshd[24749]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 202.28.37.63 > > Oct 22 12:48:34 odin sshd[24752]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 189.19.13.239 > > Oct 22 12:49:38 odin sshd[24755]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 82.228.250.163 > > Oct 22 12:49:46 odin sshd[24758]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > customer-201-134-39-146.uninet-ide.com.mx [201.134.39.146] failed - POSSIBLE > BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:49:46 odin sshd[24758]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 201.134.39.146 > > Oct 22 12:49:57 odin sshd[24761]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > 138-65-162-69.reverse.lstn.net [69.162.65.138] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN > ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:49:57 odin sshd[24761]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 69.162.65.138 > > Oct 22 12:50:15 odin sshd[24770]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 217.128.151.181 > > Oct 22 12:53:04 odin sshd[24774]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > 86-100-134-185-ip.balticum.lt [86.100.134.185] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN > ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:53:04 odin sshd[24774]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 86.100.134.185 > > Oct 22 12:53:28 odin sshd[24781]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 12.222.202.34 > > Oct 22 12:53:31 odin sshd[24784]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:55:19 odin sshd[24801]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.193.246.26 > > Oct 22 12:55:51 odin sshd[24804]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 219.94.144.230 > > Oct 22 12:56:24 odin sshd[24807]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 213.192.8.22 > > Oct 22 12:56:28 odin sshd[24810]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from server.fabian.cz > > Oct 22 12:57:07 odin sshd[24813]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 62.213.201.100 > > Oct 22 12:57:26 odin sshd[24816]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.18.24.58 > > Oct 22 12:58:03 odin sshd[24822]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 99.13.226.154 > > Oct 22 12:58:38 odin sshd[24825]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from crm.nepinc.com > > Oct 22 13:00:06 odin sshd[24846]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 85.22.60.6 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 24 23:44:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC071065673 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D5E8FC08 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaky10 with SMTP id y10so10897563iak.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:44:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kSJyTvzDmrb18AWq7GfP+yCFl/0N9PhMUDLhOXaxEHE=; b=D/6B8COWavOGipiy+SHuKXPWqo0Hm9nYrIKezRs8ocwlIrqW3HGCJy7Pl7Sv/nvrWe +G6pXvjzti0AD2SrO6jbAFKMgZZeBNMD4/LbGI+ZKI3/wHGksVkf2BcuSxXXAYl7yH+T OmAvWUolSEM3L1k0EneoqzqzrOUj/7PRxHz78= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.133 with SMTP id u5mr42862524icw.8.1319499840102; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.166.67 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:44:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: video acceleration on vbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:44:01 -0000 I have installed win 7 as a guest on emulator/virtualbox-ose on my 9.0-RC1 (i386) machine and no matter what I set the video acceleration to it gives me nothing but "standard VGA" in win 7 (even after downloading the driver from nvidia).... I am using x11/nvidia-driver under xfce4 on the FB side From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 00:02:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378A9106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4C48FC15 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so264976faa.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=D2hTocy7uZgrrBZtCrCgvTyqqaxcbLYla//QXY7akuc=; b=ovzERpfupn6V5uLmeZEfa9bPk0lkV8a0/IXuqoSQojm0K+tnJpfUNtguwnEWR56Q01 Fyg3ioTJr0XXwKKnXc/PWQ+Xr52TW1n9kjyrbgtORfqoGcKLluv6ubqInci14B0pNDGH lP5Q2cbA67ZzLMM48k583lBfDNKCROxTzrEmw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.91.68 with SMTP id l4mr27820560fam.16.1319500960580; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.88.72 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Aryeh Friedman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: video acceleration on vbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:02:42 -0000 On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have installed win 7 as a guest on emulator/virtualbox-ose on my 9.0-RC1 > (i386) machine and no matter what I set the video acceleration to it gives > me nothing but "standard VGA" in win 7 (even after downloading the driver > from nvidia).... I am using x11/nvidia-driver under xfce4 on the FB side You have to install the guest additions for windows. It used to be better to boot the guest into safe mode to install them. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 00:03:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5170F106566B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnorwick@centurytel.net) Received: from mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC36B8FC0C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:03:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mnorwick.centurytel.net Received: from bucksnort.norwickhouse.net (174-124-0-99.dyn.centurytel.net [174.124.0.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p9P03QTc006350; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:03:28 GMT Message-ID: <4EA5FCCE.9030402@centurytel.net> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:03:26 -0500 From: "Michael D. Norwick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110829 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> <20111023192515.5c3da303@cox.net> <4EA4BFBF.6090400@centurytel.net> <20111024132403.0b72724b@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111024132403.0b72724b@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=bTL4Ajo6uswVZnuhsvfrLWC3P238fErHFeNpWfZvXqY= c=1 sm=1 a=_tW4y8GFV1YA:10 a=RWe5u1kQBc0A:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=RS4BPVj6fjYT/oHfSUhZ9g==:17 a=dynt39AsAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=oKnPaXkRSE0qLVEYk7wA:9 a=nP5PFyPxFLAjERawQ5IA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Jw29t_AgHPoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=RS4BPVj6fjYT/oHfSUhZ9g==:117 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:03:32 -0000 On 10/24/11 13:24, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:30:39 -0500 > "Michael D. Norwick" wrote: > >> On 10/23/11 19:25, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: >>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:38:29 -0500 >>> "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: >>>> No, it seems that there's a severe level of "brokenness" that has >>>> been introduced into the source tree with regards to CD devices. >> < snip> >> >> Good Day; >> >> Ditto on this thread. No amount of deinstall/reinstall, recompiling >> kernels and world, or config file tweaking have granted me success. >> As I have posted; I am on >> >> $uname -a >> >> FreeBSD ****.****..net 9.0-RC1 FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 #0: Sun Oct 23 >> 12:32:55 CDT 2011 >> root@****.****.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_102311 amd64 >> >> on a Dell Latitude D630. > [snip] > >> I haven't had much luck searching freebsd-multimedia@ either. Bug >> report time? >> >> Thank You, >> Michael > Do you get any better results if you use the SCSI address of your drive > instead of the device name? > >> cd0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > Try using: > > export CDDA_DEVICE=1,0,0 > export CDR_DEVICE=1,0,0 > > And see if your cdrtools at least work. Audio CD playing apps still > have problems, though, unfortunately. > Thank You, Setting these environment variables had no effect on my machine. $cdcontrol play 1 still produces drive activity but no sound. The graphical apps I am trying such as Abraca, or MPlayer, still do not seem to recognize an audio CD. Gnome Audio CD Extractor - Sound Juicer - still errors with 'No CD-ROM drives found' even though Metallica is in the drive. I am doing $portupgrade -a with updates downloaded today, to see if it will change anything. Other than that FreeBSD 9 is working splendidly on this laptop. Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 00:08:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D0E106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F7E8FC0C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaky10 with SMTP id y10so10922034iak.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rzt3JALVNQ+nfEGYwddq1mqeP99szjpQeALV7vD3G1U=; b=VCYsS3W+C2SG1Uy065xIp1eIweXRMnOjiVTQPSgLyGhI/TbFgiMiCZcb11EaGC/GSP s+MSmZn9dm5EiwajoyPBLNyLHnWQGG3vB1NvpkGnjKsycV3siVJPj5JSOe677zWbw+Pa pkg9kwMGP3OQi9tZZr1BNsMH5F2rlmprefj3c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.70 with SMTP id s6mr42389878icx.40.1319501295849; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.166.67 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:08:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: video acceleration on vbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:08:16 -0000 What port do I find them in? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> I have installed win 7 as a guest on emulator/virtualbox-ose on my 9.0-RC1 >> (i386) machine and no matter what I set the video acceleration to it gives >> me nothing but "standard VGA" in win 7 (even after downloading the driver >> from nvidia).... I am using x11/nvidia-driver under xfce4 on the FB side > > > You have to install the guest additions for windows. It used to be better > to boot the guest into safe mode to install them. > > -- > Adam Vande More > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 00:12:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2C1106566B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69458FC08 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB0B1E26B; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9P0CSGM002597; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:12:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:12:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Michael D. Norwick" Message-Id: <20111025021228.094a40a0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EA5FCCE.9030402@centurytel.net> References: <4E924B4D.4050801@centurytel.net> <20111010063740.GA23603@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E92BF3C.8080807@centurytel.net> <20111010104450.GA28895@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4E9616FD.5080404@centurytel.net> <447h49yed0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <4E9627A6.8000907@centurytel.net> <44vcrtohej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20111013162524.GA75476@freebsd.org> <44wrc8iz09.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20111018195712.GA18773@freebsd.org> <4E9F7899.6070401@centurytel.net> <20111020051902.1d120865.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111023153829.216f1a49@cox.net> <20111023192515.5c3da303@cox.net> <4EA4BFBF.6090400@centurytel.net> <20111024132403.0b72724b@cox.net> <4EA5FCCE.9030402@centurytel.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Can't access a music CD (or any other media now) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:12:32 -0000 On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:03:26 -0500, Michael D. Norwick wrote: > On 10/24/11 13:24, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > > Try using: > > > > export CDDA_DEVICE=1,0,0 > > export CDR_DEVICE=1,0,0 > > > > And see if your cdrtools at least work. Audio CD playing apps still > > have problems, though, unfortunately. > > > Thank You, > > Setting these environment variables had no effect on my machine. Those variables are used by cdrecord, see "man cdrecord" for details. > $cdcontrol play 1 still produces drive activity but no sound. The corresponding cdcontrol variable is $CDROM. If you've got only one drive, you won't need it. If I remember correctly, the first drive that's being detected will be the default when -f is omitted. See "man cdcontrol" for details. > The > graphical apps I am trying such as Abraca, or MPlayer, still do not seem > to recognize an audio CD. Gnome Audio CD Extractor - Sound Juicer - > still errors with 'No CD-ROM drives found' even though Metallica is in > the drive. "Even though"? Maybe "Because"! :-) I'm not sure which device those programs will address. In some cases, it helped to do "cdcontrol info" before launching the program. However, it's possible that some programs rely on the presence of "track device files" /dev/acdXtYY which is a mechanism _not_ provided by the /dev/cdX "SCSI" device. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 00:37:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664531065689 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411FE8FC12 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p9P0awlI085176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p9P0awFd085174; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA20173; Mon, 24 Oct 11 17:29:20 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:28:04 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: mike@sentex.net Message-Id: <4ea66504.s5gqntrPXpc5ddTl%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20111021110600.GA19417@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111022053315.GA30712@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023161312.GA46735@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111023162242.GA3823@tinyCurrent> <20111024122448.GA70524@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <4EA5765C.20701@sentex.net> In-Reply-To: <4EA5765C.20701@sentex.net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: vas@mpeks.tomsk.su, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:37:02 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > if there are a lot of files, restore needs quite a bit of RAM. It might need less to "extract" (restore -x) than to "restore" (restore -r) -- but that only works if there's no need to load an incremental afterwards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 01:35:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE5D106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:35:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2948FC0A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:35:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 21210414 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:35:26 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9P1ZPE0016281 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:35:26 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9P1ZPJe016280 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:35:25 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:35:25 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111025013525.GA16243@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111024141404.GA71953@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <201110241508.p9OF8XBp037839@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201110241508.p9OF8XBp037839@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: strange behavior of restore(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:35:29 -0000 Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > > > >Lo and behold! On an amd64 system with 8GB RAM and 2 2.66GHz Xeon > > > >CPUs, "restore -rNf home.dmp" has successfully completed after 3 hours > > > >15 minutes. > > > > > > What are the specs for the system that wrote the dumpfile originally > > > > 8.2-RELEASE-p3 amd64, 8GB RAM and 2xXeon 2.66GHz > > > > > and the system that couldn't restore it? > > > > FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p10 i386, 256M RAM, Pentium II 350.80MHz (yes, > > it's pretty old). > > *WITHOUT* checking, I'm willing to bet that _that_ is the problem. > > An O/S limit on the size of a _file_ -- a 32-bit 'offset' type. > And a 'large' file in the dump. I used the '-N' switch to restore, so no actual files were being created on the 6.4-RELEASE box. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 08:18:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608241065677 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E663A8FC19 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout04.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2011 09:18:18 +0100 Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout04.plus.net with smtp id owJG1h00P516WCc01wJJ46; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:18:18 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H61ZMpki c=1 sm=1 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=rLpCYgkgFLgA:10 a=VeozB8zz_pQA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=VN7jSlppvAbZ_t-wMvYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RIcDA-0000v7-KK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:18:16 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:18:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201110250918.16367.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: video acceleration on vbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:18:20 -0000 On Tuesday 25 October 2011, Aryeh Friedman wrote re guest additions for windows: > What port do I find them in? You don't. They're a Windows thing. You should be able to download and install them into the guest Windows system by selecting "Install Guest Additions" at the bottom of the Virtualbox "Devices" menu. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 09:20:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1D2106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from anny.lostinspace.de (anny.lostinspace.de [IPv6:2a01:138:a006::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946D18FC16 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.idefix.lan (ppp-88-217-27-88.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.27.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by anny.lostinspace.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9P9KdB2028665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from server.idefix.lan (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423286BC23 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fechner.net Received: from server.idefix.lan ([127.0.0.1]) by server.idefix.lan (server.idefix.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IS7fhw_Ix9Et for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (p5DC7D8F5.dip.t-dialin.net [93.199.216.245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C2526BC1B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4EA67F65.50207@fechner.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:37 +0200 From: Matthias Fechner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (anny.lostinspace.de [80.190.182.2]); Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on anny.lostinspace.de Subject: Re: Problems with php5-pdo_pgsql, libpq etc. after upgrading postgresql X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:20:47 -0000 Dear list, Am 24.10.11 07:20, schrieb Jon Theil Nielsen: > databases/php5-pdo_pgsql, I got this error: > ... > checking for gawk... gawk > checking for PostgreSQL support for PDO... yes, shared > checking for pg_config... /usr/local/bin/pg_config > checking for openssl dependencies... no > checking for PQparameterStatus in -lpq... no > Unable to build the PDO PostgreSQL driver: libpq 7.4+ is required > ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. I have exactly the same problem. Is there already a solution for this available? Bye Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 10:48:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DE410656A3; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85708FC1D; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1RIeYG-0003O9-M9>; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:48:12 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1RIeYG-0005Vy-JW>; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:48:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4EA693EC.1070602@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:48:12 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111003 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: The future of FreeBSD at Yahoo! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:48:14 -0000 The press in Germania is full of some statements, that Google is about to overtake Yahoo!. As far as I know, Yahoo! is one of the more popular and bigger, if not the biggest and last stronghold of a FreeBSD driven infrastructure. Despite the fact that even Google funded lots of coding for FreeBSD, I had the impression that Yahoo! might be one of the biggest contributor. And not to mention the psychological effect of hearing that such a company is utilizing a project like FreeBSD for potential newcomers in the business. So, what is about the future of FreeBSD? Does FreeBSD have a site where all the goods that has been first invented by the FreeBSD/BSD folks or all the things that are thought about to come in future are shown/listed? Crawling the mailing lists is a really nasty work. Thanks for having patience, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 11:24:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E168E106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAAE8FC0C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p9PBOqUe069081 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:24:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4EA69C84.2010208@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:24:52 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:7.0) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problems installing qt4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:24:56 -0000 Hello list! Trying to install qt4 but it fails with; /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/bernt/disk2/ports/x11-toolkits/qt4-gui. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/bernt/disk2/ports/accessibility/qt4-accessible. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/bernt/disk2/ports/devel/qt4. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/bernt/disk2/ports/devel/qt4. FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 21 17:29:38 CEST 2011 amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 15:15:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F11106566C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2838FC1C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9PFFPkd074842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:15:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9PFFOC7007972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:15:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id p9PFFNLt007971; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:15:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:15:23 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Mike Clarke Message-ID: <20111025151523.GG93709@dan.emsphone.com> References: <201110250918.16367.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201110250918.16367.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:15:25 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: video acceleration on vbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:15:30 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 25), Mike Clarke said: > On Tuesday 25 October 2011, Aryeh Friedman wrote re guest additions for > windows: > > > What port do I find them in? > > You don't. They're a Windows thing. You should be able to download and > install them into the guest Windows system by selecting "Install Guest > Additions" at the bottom of the Virtualbox "Devices" menu. Actually, the virtualbox-ose port will install an ISO mountable by guests that includes the Windows, Linux, and Solaris guest additions, but only if you selected the GUESTADDITIONS configure option while building the port. The file is installed at /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/additions/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 14:54:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F36F1065676 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:54:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from majid.stu66@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190728FC12 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so859948faa.13 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:54:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XkiJpgxbn5R+BDmrI9PAaJNqRJ8tfvIwmMSO19P0lg4=; b=s4A6LtEH2dMayGoJ6s9HoXpRNhe5NuQ0dgNnvmdUveI6a3hNM6/AeC0pXOemuggaAC TUgSdQOMjgSypDFj7fBWewMAhs49BS+SwWBdbhP3KOsODG5sIBU8OGMitQnvt7uS/zD0 I4CZez3ooilmCYdI4n4q+7iSLQkqQH5gm8J3g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.201 with SMTP id 9mr53318535faw.5.1319552951546; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.98.201 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:59:11 +0330 Message-ID: From: Majid Abedini Maghanaki To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:31:11 +0000 Cc: Subject: Guide & Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:54:43 -0000 Hello I used to manage resources such as file management, process management, memory management, deadlock, and Free BSD operating systems synchronization on my research I will be happy if can help me and resources to provide you with the topic. Thanks a lot. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 16:26:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEA4106566C; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17A28FC13; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBECF9.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.236.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p9PG9qCv078754; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:09:54 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9PG9bvC069855; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:09:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9PG9P8R035866; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:09:31 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201110251609.p9PG9P8R035866@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "O. Hartmann" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:48:12 +0200." <4EA693EC.1070602@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:09:25 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: FreeBSD Current , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of FreeBSD at Yahoo! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:26:00 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "O. Hartmann" > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:48:12 +0200 > Message-id: <4EA693EC.1070602@zedat.fu-berlin.de> "O. Hartmann" wrote: > The press in Germania is full of some statements, that Google is about > to overtake Yahoo!. As far as I know, Yahoo! is one of the more popular > and bigger, if not the biggest and last stronghold of a FreeBSD driven > infrastructure. Despite the fact that even Google funded lots of coding > for FreeBSD, I had the impression that Yahoo! might be one of the > biggest contributor. And not to mention the psychological effect of > hearing that such a company is utilizing a project like FreeBSD for > potential newcomers in the business. > > So, what is about the future of FreeBSD? Does FreeBSD have a site where > all the goods that has been first invented by the FreeBSD/BSD folks or > all the things that are thought about to come in future are > shown/listed? Crawling the mailing lists is a really nasty work. > > Thanks for having patience, Try advocacy@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 16:42:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A39106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58368FC08 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1RIk4d-0006mu-R1>; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:41:59 +0200 Received: from e178040082.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.40.82] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1RIk4d-0007oh-Nq>; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:41:59 +0200 Message-ID: <4EA6E6D7.8020300@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:41:59 +0200 From: "Hartmann, O." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111019 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201110251609.p9PG9P8R035866@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201110251609.p9PG9P8R035866@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.40.82 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of FreeBSD at Yahoo! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:42:01 -0000 On 10/25/11 18:09, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > Reference: >> From: "O. Hartmann" >> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:48:12 +0200 >> Message-id: <4EA693EC.1070602@zedat.fu-berlin.de> > "O. Hartmann" wrote: >> The press in Germania is full of some statements, that Google is about >> to overtake Yahoo!. As far as I know, Yahoo! is one of the more popular >> and bigger, if not the biggest and last stronghold of a FreeBSD driven >> infrastructure. Despite the fact that even Google funded lots of coding >> for FreeBSD, I had the impression that Yahoo! might be one of the >> biggest contributor. And not to mention the psychological effect of >> hearing that such a company is utilizing a project like FreeBSD for >> potential newcomers in the business. >> >> So, what is about the future of FreeBSD? Does FreeBSD have a site where >> all the goods that has been first invented by the FreeBSD/BSD folks or >> all the things that are thought about to come in future are >> shown/listed? Crawling the mailing lists is a really nasty work. >> >> Thanks for having patience, > Try advocacy@freebsd.org > > Cheers, > Julian I will ;-) Thanks for the hint. Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 16:52:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D94106566C; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9541C8FC0A; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwn22 with SMTP id 22so5414004wwn.1 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=VVpDnDnFnM3Zyn3+6VIiAYzsnkwSTN+bv7X4YqsbVW0=; b=CKuSpfUEFXvqyvCpni/TiZzTrXUE3bpOIzyYiPW68ObRSMTK0MPKNTzv9d0IMGRPRV QpWDdtUfwTwXUA+LqcP9mTIYy2X3ECCEBXnvkzXvw3wWRMRnaTASVPIV10lN6YpS3Uer X88ZT0kJDPLgQlVfhR08Yzbq7ppSAaO14deb0= Received: by 10.227.205.78 with SMTP id fp14mr4623290wbb.23.1319561562632; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-93-69.dsl.mweb.co.za. [41.132.93.69]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id es5sm46094152wbb.11.2011.10.25.09.52.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:52:40 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-BETA2; KDE/4.7.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart17365073.zbQvqplTZ8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201110251852.47385.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.3.31 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:52:44 -0000 --nextPart17365073.zbQvqplTZ8 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.3.31 have been uploaded to mediafire [2] and= =20 the wine-fbsd64.diff patch has been updated. There is a known UDP related= =20 problem with wine (see http://markmail.org/message/i7rtfz7uxd5s4fvl for=20 details). =20 To date there has been 1217 (+70) downloads from mediafire. =20 The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on= =20 installation (if the relevant files are accessable). Please read the=20 installation messages for further information. =20 Regards, David [1]=20 MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.3.31,1.tbz) =3D 3ada791cc70a692b71f331a9b658d= 0ce MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.3.31,1.txz) =3D 7b9f0b9a122646822542e540aeed0= 9e5 [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh --nextPart17365073.zbQvqplTZ8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk6m6V8ACgkQUaaFgP9pFrL69wCcDFpwYPYaLf/TX2wKy1aj8/hc y8wAnRmNgiVAtY/+DdV4ae5tBCC6KhSv =//sG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart17365073.zbQvqplTZ8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 17:06:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDC01065670 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from openslateproj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795888FC1C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so988925vws.13 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:06:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+VErxcn/1gzk+l3ylLn3n8jFIEcDc9cvKVYUL6kRbg0=; b=iiPCXmVYKAWgy0bj+C9jwpD4TE+9V1vP046xFpgyKVoHK+Q1Wz6hMhfs/XDGNkNr9X 8s9OiI6ahvJSkMfXl+1rv9KxoRV/+YW0ll69QUGEeDa06PwrRNiUEsrZAVEnVsurv7kV AXmhIsXTZUezUuaecWDLM9i+AcH8Hoe5bLNAA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.109.66 with SMTP id hq2mr7287007vdb.77.1319562368775; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.182.202 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.182.202 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:06:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:06:08 -1000 Message-ID: From: Open Slate To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Three button mouse emulation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:06:09 -0000 A simple way to enable three button mouse emulation is to put mouse_flags=-3 in /etc/rc.conf. I cannot find this documented anywhere. Section 4.5 of the faq mentions this feature and refers to the moused man page, where we are told to pass -3 to moused. Similar treatment in the handbook. Section 2.10.10. Only a seasoned veteran would think to look in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. This trick is especially useful to laptop users and should be in the handbook. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 17:21:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46976106566C for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0C88FC08 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111025172134.YETX3788.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:21:34 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id p5MZ1h00D55wwzE025MZ8W; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:21:33 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4EA6F01D.01D1,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3UyZjGdRvcBWboScHGxZwU7ZaQCVfWv2RHw5jqzdJbk= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=ipdqbKgjAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ArGLlQpGOfQWpeSMuQwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=vtaHCJmX-Q4A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9PHLXNW047102 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:21:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:21:28 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111025122128.2d21ded9@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111024194727.6d08390a.tehnik@hackermail.com> References: <20111023191103.86f61168.tehnik@hackermail.com> <4EA50710.7020105@gmail.com> <20111024194727.6d08390a.tehnik@hackermail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cant compile kdelibs4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:21:40 -0000 On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:47:27 +0400 tehnik wrote: > I found the solution by accident. You're never supposed to admit that. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 17:25:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6EE106566B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DC68FC18 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1131239wwi.31 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=IDOr+5TVES5fcBl/rGscbIj3h37B+ZM730tiMiyYZBo=; b=fnDHNf4+YLf1OTxngc9uwMJnNqEFcJPbUK2NkMOZKaOgO0l77XYJ031JcZQCcLqKE5 0v18iLY/PjLqQFGfdCbcjwFrI4g8CiNQ59VD9LFAvfeDFCE0cIWTAehSZA3HhrCqUxLv ED3Am8mK2FTHK6oZexV8+KFJMtxSsIniiqIgA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.205.20 with SMTP id fo20mr4631438wbb.20.1319561648338; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.208.134 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:54:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0qIRF4y09PH3Yos29WfF_hm-8OI Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE Install Failure: Unable to create a new /etc/fstab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:25:36 -0000 Hi All, I am Installing 8.2-RELEASE via PXE and receive an error stating that sysinstall was unable to create new /etc/fstab. Everything appears to function correctly, in that, the system TFTP's the pxeboot and mfsroot files as needed. However, When I switch to the holographic shell and poke around a little, I can see that there is no /etc, despite it's existence in the mfsroot.gz. I must be missing something and am hoping that someone might be able to point in the right direction. -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 17:35:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D07C106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FE08FC08 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370AAEB2EA for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:34:57 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ato5AE7ypk5T4+F5PGdsb2JhbAA8AwMOmzSNVhkBAQEBNzKBbgEBAQECAQEBAQUgEg8CAQIIGAsFCAMCFgIwBxkOAQUECAMHAxEBAQQIBwQBChIEh18CBqZZAY4KgzyBdg+DFQSRb5NCOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,404,1315173600"; d="scan'208";a="501369635" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2011 19:34:57 +0200 Received: from Obah (obah [192.168.1.10]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9PHYi0h003328; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:34:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from admin@thorshammare.org) From: "Admin ValhallaProjectet" To: "'William Myers'" References: <000001cc90c0$a0c16050$e24420f0$@org> <20111024180745.N45635@crusader.bac.edu> In-Reply-To: <20111024180745.N45635@crusader.bac.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:34:35 +0200 Organization: The Valhalla Project Message-ID: <000801cc933c$60776520$21662f60$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcySnC1U45o90u79SXyjhg1b9oBglAAng9sA Content-Language: sv X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at odin.thorshammare.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on odin.thorshammare.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SV: Breakin attempt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:35:00 -0000 Probably a bunch of bots. Not very intelligent used. Really messed up my logfiles. I was a bit curious if the purpose was just that, to mask some more clever real attacks, but haven't seen any signs of such. I changed my ssh port, just to reduce the noise, and it all ceased. /Hasse -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: William Myers [mailto:myers@crusader.bac.edu] Sendt: den 25 oktober 2011 00:08 Til: Admin ValhallaProjectet Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Emne: Re: Breakin attempt I'm seeing the same thing from the same IP adresses. William Myers Associate Professor, Computer Studies 100 Belmont-Mount Holly Road Belmont Abbey College Belmont, NC 28012-1802 (704) 461-6823 FAX: (704) 461-5051 myers@crusader.bac.edu On Sat, 22 Oct 2011, Admin ValhallaProjectet wrote: > Hello all > > > > FreeBSD odin.thorshammare.org 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sat Oct 22 > 10:14:48 CEST 2011 hasse@odin.thorshammare.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ODIN > i386 > > Firewall PF. > > Blocking China and some other related countries in that region. > Disabled ssh root logins > > > > Apparently, I'm under some kind of attack, for the last 3 days. > > Lots of attempts to ssh in as root from many different IP addresses. > > No bruteforce attempts. > > This just puzzles me. Using all these resources ? To achieve what ? > > Below is a one hour snip from my auth.log > > Nothing unusual in pflog > > Appreciate all ideas of how to proceed with this mather. > > > > Best regards Hasse > > > > Oct 22 12:00:19 odin sshd[14359]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from server.fabian.cz > > Oct 22 12:01:08 odin sshd[14365]: Address 87.105.187.194 maps to > client-arsmedica-2.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl, but this does not map back to the > address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:01:09 odin sshd[14365]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.105.187.194 > > Oct 22 12:02:59 odin sshd[14422]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.229.7.163 > > Oct 22 12:03:36 odin sshd[14865]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 201.25.53.34 > > Oct 22 12:03:53 odin sshd[15571]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:05:18 odin sshd[18357]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 12.222.202.34 > > Oct 22 12:05:36 odin sshd[18375]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from mx.aysor.am > > Oct 22 12:05:53 odin sshd[18537]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 190.129.11.76 > > Oct 22 12:07:06 odin sshd[19429]: Address 80.188.13.214 maps to > www.profitaxi.cz, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE > BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:07:06 odin sshd[19429]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 80.188.13.214 > > Oct 22 12:07:27 odin sshd[19542]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 85.185.180.48 > > Oct 22 12:08:05 odin sshd[19591]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 208.125.137.121 > > Oct 22 12:09:45 odin sshd[19629]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.14.240.10 > > Oct 22 12:10:53 odin sshd[19699]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 200.160.121.246 > > Oct 22 12:10:59 odin sshd[19702]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 151.1.183.216 > > Oct 22 12:11:38 odin sshd[19787]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from crm.nepinc.com > > Oct 22 12:12:16 odin sshd[19830]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 189.16.12.146 > > Oct 22 12:12:45 odin sshd[19843]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from narro.uaaan.mx > > Oct 22 12:14:14 odin sshd[19913]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 217.128.151.181 > > Oct 22 12:14:56 odin sshd[19925]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > panda.zsuvoz.cz [195.178.81.116] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:14:56 odin sshd[19925]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 195.178.81.116 > > Oct 22 12:16:14 odin sshd[19995]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.193.246.26 > > Oct 22 12:16:23 odin sshd[20008]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 219.94.144.230 > > Oct 22 12:16:39 odin sshd[20026]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 82.130.143.216 > > Oct 22 12:17:41 odin sshd[20073]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.193.246.26 > > Oct 22 12:17:52 odin sshd[20102]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 82.130.143.216 > > Oct 22 12:21:16 odin sshd[20268]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 203.141.158.120 > > Oct 22 12:21:34 odin sshd[20286]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 208.125.137.121 > > Oct 22 12:22:05 odin sshd[20326]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > 86-100-134-185-ip.balticum.lt [86.100.134.185] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN > ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:22:05 odin sshd[20326]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 86.100.134.185 > > Oct 22 12:22:22 odin sshd[20339]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 201.232.69.113 > > Oct 22 12:23:35 odin sshd[20428]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.229.7.163 > > Oct 22 12:23:58 odin sshd[20486]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 65.161.248.26 > > Oct 22 12:24:39 odin sshd[20605]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 210.238.91.147 > > Oct 22 12:25:08 odin sshd[21400]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 12.222.202.34 > > Oct 22 12:26:08 odin sshd[23744]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from zodiaq3d.info > > Oct 22 12:26:56 odin sshd[23747]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from mx.cbc-group.kz > > Oct 22 12:30:26 odin sshd[23752]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 190.152.145.53 > > Oct 22 12:30:54 odin sshd[23757]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 80.24.95.85 > > Oct 22 12:30:59 odin sshd[23759]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 200.183.172.2 > > Oct 22 12:31:13 odin sshd[23755]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from starless.com.pl > > Oct 22 12:31:38 odin sshd[23764]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 61.19.252.236 > > Oct 22 12:32:21 odin sshd[23767]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:32:29 odin sshd[23770]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 65.82.69.5 > > Oct 22 12:33:36 odin sshd[23785]: Address 161.200.90.2 maps to > dsprl.eng.chula.ac.th, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE > BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:33:37 odin sshd[23785]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 161.200.90.2 > > Oct 22 12:34:48 odin sshd[23788]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.139.194.70 > > Oct 22 12:35:46 odin sshd[23793]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 61.19.45.119 > > Oct 22 12:36:20 odin sshd[23796]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > nat-div.azores.gov.pt [83.240.154.46] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:36:21 odin sshd[23796]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.240.154.46 > > Oct 22 12:36:56 odin sshd[23799]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:37:06 odin sshd[23802]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from supermodels.com > > Oct 22 12:38:45 odin sshd[23805]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 193.77.58.207 > > Oct 22 12:39:04 odin sshd[23808]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 80.26.69.233 > > Oct 22 12:40:53 odin sshd[23813]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from www.iitkgp.ac.in > > Oct 22 12:43:47 odin sshd[24680]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 213.195.75.188 > > Oct 22 12:44:20 odin sshd[24697]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 99.13.226.154 > > Oct 22 12:45:05 odin sshd[24730]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from bk19.com > > Oct 22 12:45:52 odin sshd[24738]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 91.191.170.146 > > Oct 22 12:46:01 odin sshd[24735]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 81.56.57.50 > > Oct 22 12:46:15 odin sshd[24743]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 217.128.151.181 > > Oct 22 12:46:27 odin sshd[24746]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > z-atman-ett.net.pl [193.111.37.122] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:46:28 odin sshd[24746]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 193.111.37.122 > > Oct 22 12:47:33 odin sshd[24749]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 202.28.37.63 > > Oct 22 12:48:34 odin sshd[24752]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 189.19.13.239 > > Oct 22 12:49:38 odin sshd[24755]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 82.228.250.163 > > Oct 22 12:49:46 odin sshd[24758]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > customer-201-134-39-146.uninet-ide.com.mx [201.134.39.146] failed - POSSIBLE > BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:49:46 odin sshd[24758]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 201.134.39.146 > > Oct 22 12:49:57 odin sshd[24761]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > 138-65-162-69.reverse.lstn.net [69.162.65.138] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN > ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:49:57 odin sshd[24761]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 69.162.65.138 > > Oct 22 12:50:15 odin sshd[24770]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 217.128.151.181 > > Oct 22 12:53:04 odin sshd[24774]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for > 86-100-134-185-ip.balticum.lt [86.100.134.185] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN > ATTEMPT! > > Oct 22 12:53:04 odin sshd[24774]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 86.100.134.185 > > Oct 22 12:53:28 odin sshd[24781]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 12.222.202.34 > > Oct 22 12:53:31 odin sshd[24784]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 109.237.210.147 > > Oct 22 12:55:19 odin sshd[24801]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 87.193.246.26 > > Oct 22 12:55:51 odin sshd[24804]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 219.94.144.230 > > Oct 22 12:56:24 odin sshd[24807]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 213.192.8.22 > > Oct 22 12:56:28 odin sshd[24810]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from server.fabian.cz > > Oct 22 12:57:07 odin sshd[24813]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 62.213.201.100 > > Oct 22 12:57:26 odin sshd[24816]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 83.18.24.58 > > Oct 22 12:58:03 odin sshd[24822]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 99.13.226.154 > > Oct 22 12:58:38 odin sshd[24825]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from crm.nepinc.com > > Oct 22 13:00:06 odin sshd[24846]: error: PAM: authentication error for root > from 85.22.60.6 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 20:34:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44196106566B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0904A8FC17 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p9PKVTn4089311; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:31:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p9PKVTai089310; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:31:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Open Slate Message-ID: <20111025203128.GA89198@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Three button mouse emulation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:34:03 -0000 On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 07:06:08AM -1000, Open Slate wrote: > A simple way to enable three button mouse emulation is to put > > mouse_flags=-3 > > in /etc/rc.conf. I cannot find this documented anywhere. Section 4.5 of the > faq mentions this feature and refers to the moused man page, where we are > told to pass -3 to moused. Similar treatment in the handbook. Section > 2.10.10. Only a seasoned veteran would think to look in > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > This trick is especially useful to laptop users and should be in the > handbook. I just did an install of 8.2 and followed the documentation quite closely (unlike usual) and saw it mentioned in two different places. But, I sure can't find it right now. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 21:06:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85AD106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpistanbulbilisim@setrow.com) Received: from mgw01-69.relay01.setrow.com (mgw01-69.relay01.setrow.com [92.45.72.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4588FC12 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mgw01-69.relay01.setrow.com (PowerMTA(TM) v3.5r15) id hksida12p1cr for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:56:20 +0300 (envelope-from ) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:56:18 +0300 To: questions@freebsd.org From: =?utf-8?Q?=C4=B0stanbul_Bili=C5=9Fim?= Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Setrow Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk X-MAIL-INFORMATION: 43649397-7570-270-Tr-0-questions@freebsd.org-1 Delivered-To: =?utf-8?Q?=C4=B0stanbul_Bili=C5=9Fim_?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: =?utf-8?q?Teknolojiye_Servet_=C3=96demeyin?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:06:30 -0000 Size =C3=B6zel b=C3=BClteni g=C3=B6rmek i=C3=A7in a=C5=9Fa=C4=9F=C4=B1daki = linke t=C4=B1klay=C4=B1n=C4=B1z:=20 T=C4=B1klay=C4=B1n=C4=B1z=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 21:09:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B4E106566B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nm.knife@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B3B8FC1A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzt4 with SMTP id zt4so1074359bkb.13 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PEAJlqPhA2RxzYro7heXonYCn3wYIfPZbPTk1nWXD34=; b=Q2NOzbS0G66sCDQOWy0pquRHV27REx0aNtZdGqykgxEzhsF+o8Bb192H+13lqsyvIY u2vsE5Y8KWxnxg2pMqsi3hKv8Yvj6hiehXDzo9W/6xLiJOCYpm4xD60J3urNEUMfmjqJ TcmLNC71l+RJDIpSXXP/zCGQoervtJgC7omqU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.164.74 with SMTP id yo10mr4651686obb.69.1319576996165; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.116.36 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:09:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111025203128.GA89198@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20111025203128.GA89198@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: =?windows-1251?B?y/7h7uzo8CDD8Ojj7vDu4g==?= To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Three button mouse emulation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:09:58 -0000 This is how I got 3-button to work, with middle-button scroll. In /etc/rc.conf moused_enable="YES" moused_flags="-V" -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 22:04:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED370106564A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from anny.lostinspace.de (anny.lostinspace.de [IPv6:2a01:138:a006::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D9F8FC0A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.idefix.lan (ppp-88-217-27-88.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.27.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by anny.lostinspace.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9PM4Z3c085044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:04:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from server.idefix.lan (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C3F6BAB5 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:04:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fechner.net Received: from server.idefix.lan ([127.0.0.1]) by server.idefix.lan (server.idefix.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id w-0X-nV8x8XN for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:a60:f035:1:61a0:5b9a:a2c:7ec5] (unknown [IPv6:2001:a60:f035:1:61a0:5b9a:a2c:7ec5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B7F26BAAC for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4EA7326E.2060205@fechner.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:04:30 +0200 From: Matthias Fechner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EA67F65.50207@fechner.net> In-Reply-To: <4EA67F65.50207@fechner.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (anny.lostinspace.de [80.190.182.2]); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:04:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on anny.lostinspace.de Subject: Re: Problems with php5-pdo_pgsql, libpq etc. after upgrading postgresql X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:04:45 -0000 Dear list, Am 25.10.2011 11:20, schrieb Matthias Fechner: > Am 24.10.11 07:20, schrieb Jon Theil Nielsen: >> databases/php5-pdo_pgsql, I got this error: >> ... >> checking for gawk... gawk >> checking for PostgreSQL support for PDO... yes, shared >> checking for pg_config... /usr/local/bin/pg_config >> checking for openssl dependencies... no >> checking for PQparameterStatus in -lpq... no >> Unable to build the PDO PostgreSQL driver: libpq 7.4+ is required >> ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. > > I have exactly the same problem. > Is there already a solution for this available? I was able to solve the problem. I disabled the GSSAPI option in the postgres port and reinstalled the client and server. After this php5-pdo_pgsql compiles fine. Bye Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 25 22:32:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494A8106566B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crtb@cape.com) Received: from mrelay1.cape.com (mrelay3.cape.com [216.237.97.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ABE8FC13 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tomato (209-213-65-25.meganet.net [209.213.65.25]) by mrelay1.cape.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E252333ECB; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Bacon X-X-Sender: crtb@tomato.local To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Chuck Bacon Subject: BSD_10_2011.pdf - typical problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:32:48 -0000 I often receive PDFs which die with gv. I have just downloaded the current copy of BSD_10_2011.pdf, with stats: MD5 (BSD_10_2011.pdf) = 69c8b0be7c59870eb41e09b46fa568ba -just so's you know. This one causes gv to respond with: Error: /syntaxerror in readxrefGNU Ghostscript 7.07: Unrecoverable error, exit code .. etc. Some PDFs come through OK, but about half fail, often with different errors. I'm running: FreeBSD tomato.local 8.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Sep 27 18:45:57 UTC 2011 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 on an ASUS MB and AMD64 4x CPU. Any ideas? As a retired sysadmin from the 1950s, I'm over my head but can't let go :-) So I need help sometimes :-( Many thanks - Chuck Bacon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 01:01:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53B9106566B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Received: from Elmer.dco.penx.com (elmer.dco.penx.com [174.46.214.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BEF8FC12 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Elmer.dco.penx.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9Q11BcN042063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:01:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Dennis Glatting X-X-Sender: dennisg@Elmer.dco.penx.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: +ahcich0: Timeout on slot 10 port 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:01:13 -0000 Could someone much more knowledgeable please give me a hint as to what might I look for and what rs and tfd means. I /think/ I am reading the OS is unhappy with the JMB363 chip (see second grep). TIA +ahcich0: is 00000000 cs 00000400 ss 00000000 rs 00000400 tfd 2451 serr 00000000 cmd 1000ca17 I have a BluRay drive in here but it is connected to cd0, or: iirc> grep cd0 /var/run/dmesg.boot cd0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed cd0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA6, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed cd0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA6, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed iirc> grep ahci /var/run/dmesg.boot ahcich8: [ITHREAD] ahcich9: at channel 1 on ahci1 ahcich9: [ITHREAD] ahci2: on atapci2 ahci2: [ITHREAD] ahci2: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich10: [ITHREAD] ahcich11: at channel 1 on ahci2 ahcich11: [ITHREAD] ahci3: port 0xf900-0xf907,0xf800-0xf803,0xf700-0xf707,0xf600-0xf603,0xf500-0xf51f mem 0xfbffc000-0xfbffc7ff irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 ahci3: [ITHREAD] ahci3: AHCI v1.20 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich12: at channel 0 on ahci3 ahcich12: [ITHREAD] ahcich13: at channel 1 on ahci3 ahcich13: [ITHREAD] ahcich14: at channel 2 on ahci3 ahcich14: [ITHREAD] ahcich15: at channel 3 on ahci3 ahcich15: [ITHREAD] ahcich16: at channel 4 on ahci3 ahcich16: [ITHREAD] ahcich17: at channel 5 on ahci3 ahcich17: [ITHREAD] ahcich7: Poll timeout on slot 0 port 0 ahcich7: is 00000000 cs 00000001 ss 00000000 rs 00000001 tfd 50 serr 00000000 cmd 10004016 ada0 at ahcich9 bus 0 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 ada1 at ahcich12 bus 0 scbus13 target 0 lun 0 ada2 at ahcich13 bus 0 scbus14 target 0 lun 0 ada3 at ahcich14 bus 0 scbus15 target 0 lun 0 ada4 at ahcich15 bus 0 scbus16 target 0 lun 0 ada5 at ahcich16 bus 0 scbus17 target 0 lun 0 ada6 at ahcich17 bus 0 scbus18 target 0 lun 0 cd0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ahcich0: Timeout on slot 3 port 0 ahcich0: is 00000000 cs 00000008 ss 00000000 rs 00000008 tfd 2451 serr 00000000 cmd 1000c317 ahcich0: Timeout on slot 3 port 0 ahcich0: is 00000000 cs 00000008 ss 00000000 rs 00000008 tfd 2451 serr 00000000 cmd 1000c317 ahcich0: Timeout on slot 3 port 0 ahcich0: is 00000000 cs 00000008 ss 00000000 rs 00000008 tfd 2451 serr 00000000 cmd 1000c317 ahcich0: Timeout on slot 3 port 0 ahcich0: is 00000000 cs 00000008 ss 00000000 rs 00000008 tfd 2451 serr 00000000 cmd 1000c317 ahci0: port 0xdf00-0xdf07,0xde00-0xde03,0xdd00-0xdd07,0xdc00-0xdc03,0xdb00-0xdb0f mem 0xfb5ff000-0xfb5ff7ff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 ahci0: [ITHREAD] ahci0: AHCI v1.20 with 8 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier not supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich0: [ITHREAD] ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich1: [ITHREAD] ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 ahcich2: [ITHREAD] ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 ahcich3: [ITHREAD] ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 ahcich4: [ITHREAD] ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 ahcich5: [ITHREAD] ahcich6: at channel 6 on ahci0 ahcich6: [ITHREAD] ahcich7: at channel 7 on ahci0 ahcich7: [ITHREAD] ahci1: mem 0xfbbfe000-0xfbbfffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci8 ahci1: [ITHREAD] ahci1: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich8: at channel 0 on ahci1 ahcich8: [ITHREAD] ahcich9: at channel 1 on ahci1 ahcich9: [ITHREAD] ahci2: on atapci2 ahci2: [ITHREAD] ahci2: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich10: [ITHREAD] ahcich11: at channel 1 on ahci2 ahcich11: [ITHREAD] ahci3: port 0xf900-0xf907,0xf800-0xf803,0xf700-0xf707,0xf600-0xf603,0xf500-0xf51f mem 0xfbffc000-0xfbffc7ff irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 ahci3: [ITHREAD] ahci3: AHCI v1.20 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich12: at channel 0 on ahci3 ahcich12: [ITHREAD] ahcich13: at channel 1 on ahci3 ahcich13: [ITHREAD] ahcich14: at channel 2 on ahci3 ahcich14: [ITHREAD] ahcich15: at channel 3 on ahci3 ahcich15: [ITHREAD] ahcich16: at channel 4 on ahci3 ahcich16: [ITHREAD] ahcich17: at channel 5 on ahci3 ahcich17: [ITHREAD] ahcich7: Poll timeout on slot 0 port 0 ahcich7: is 00000000 cs 00000001 ss 00000000 rs 00000001 tfd 50 serr 00000000 cmd 10004016 ada0 at ahcich9 bus 0 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 ada1 at ahcich12 bus 0 scbus13 target 0 lun 0 ada2 at ahcich13 bus 0 scbus14 target 0 lun 0 ada3 at ahcich14 bus 0 scbus15 target 0 lun 0 ada4 at ahcich15 bus 0 scbus16 target 0 lun 0 ada5 at ahcich16 bus 0 scbus17 target 0 lun 0 ada6 at ahcich17 bus 0 scbus18 target 0 lun 0 cd0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ahci0: port 0xdf00-0xdf07,0xde00-0xde03,0xdd00-0xdd07,0xdc00-0xdc03,0xdb00-0xdb0f mem 0xfb5ff000-0xfb5ff7ff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 ahci0: [ITHREAD] ahci0: AHCI v1.20 with 8 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier not supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich0: [ITHREAD] ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich1: [ITHREAD] ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 ahcich2: [ITHREAD] ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 ahcich3: [ITHREAD] ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 ahcich4: [ITHREAD] ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 ahcich5: [ITHREAD] ahcich6: at channel 6 on ahci0 ahcich6: [ITHREAD] ahcich7: at channel 7 on ahci0 ahcich7: [ITHREAD] ahci1: mem 0xfbbfe000-0xfbbfffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci8 ahci1: [ITHREAD] ahci1: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich8: at channel 0 on ahci1 ahcich8: [ITHREAD] ahcich9: at channel 1 on ahci1 ahcich9: [ITHREAD] ahci2: on atapci2 ahci2: [ITHREAD] ahci2: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich10: [ITHREAD] ahcich11: at channel 1 on ahci2 ahcich11: [ITHREAD] ahci3: port 0xf900-0xf907,0xf800-0xf803,0xf700-0xf707,0xf600-0xf603,0xf500-0xf51f mem 0xfbffc000-0xfbffc7ff irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 ahci3: [ITHREAD] ahci3: AHCI v1.20 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich12: at channel 0 on ahci3 ahcich12: [ITHREAD] ahcich13: at channel 1 on ahci3 ahcich13: [ITHREAD] ahcich14: at channel 2 on ahci3 ahcich14: [ITHREAD] ahcich15: at channel 3 on ahci3 ahcich15: [ITHREAD] ahcich16: at channel 4 on ahci3 ahcich16: [ITHREAD] ahcich17: at channel 5 on ahci3 ahcich17: [ITHREAD] ahcich7: Poll timeout on slot 0 port 0 ahcich7: is 00000000 cs 00000001 ss 00000000 rs 00000001 tfd 50 serr 00000000 cmd 10004016 ada0 at ahcich9 bus 0 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 ada1 at ahcich12 bus 0 scbus13 target 0 lun 0 ada2 at ahcich13 bus 0 scbus14 target 0 lun 0 ada3 at ahcich14 bus 0 scbus15 target 0 lun 0 ada4 at ahcich15 bus 0 scbus16 target 0 lun 0 ada5 at ahcich16 bus 0 scbus17 target 0 lun 0 ada6 at ahcich17 bus 0 scbus18 target 0 lun 0 cd0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 Other quick greps: iirc> grep ahcich10 /var/run/dmesg.boot ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich10: [ITHREAD] ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich10: [ITHREAD] ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich10: [ITHREAD] iirc> grep ahci2 /var/run/dmesg.boot ahci2: on atapci2 ahci2: [ITHREAD] ahci2: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich11: at channel 1 on ahci2 ahci2: on atapci2 ahci2: [ITHREAD] ahci2: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich11: at channel 1 on ahci2 ahci2: on atapci2 ahci2: [ITHREAD] ahci2: AHCI v1.00 with 2 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich10: at channel 0 on ahci2 ahcich11: at channel 1 on ahci2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 01:37:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EC2106566C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [94.23.254.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015598FC13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (63.9.74.86.rev.sfr.net [86.74.9.63]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 18C1FFAA31A5 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A213731EC for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:20:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:20:37 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:37:35 -0000 Hello, I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? Thanks, regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 02:47:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBA41065673 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AF58FC13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzt4 with SMTP id zt4so1303267bkb.13 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:47:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lcUhYV1OhEQWaX8Zrl0DaM11cVVpyeAZ6nKEgKfXe30=; b=MyjsvPtCkiMxgFj1YqtH36ZdxAoWnjA1E/J1OS1RT4OPXeAR2/w58LiWKW+GlZcUVF tNO6GHOEbUBAm+v3blOjBV0zi93+xZNxKsXr9+TZfYIHOdP9+i5iz+YhhjyNRGIaFO40 ctlC8+2HDcaM2roYRr1S8Q2nfZd9jqOma/Ol0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.83 with SMTP id c19mr22875679bkc.81.1319595399658; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.53.70 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:16:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Patrick Lamaiziere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:47:47 -0000 On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Hello, > > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but > is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Man_Page -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 03:12:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF22106564A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54688FC14 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2011 22:43:31 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BJK22179; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:43:30 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2011 22:43:30 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20135.29649.831213.537245@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:43:29 -0400 To: Patrick Lamaiziere In-Reply-To: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:12:19 -0000 Patrick Lamaiziere writes: > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's > cool but is there a way to do this with the base system (ie > without adding port)? I believe the answer will be "Not going to happen." Color is nice, but the system is desugned so it can be easily run when the system console is something indeterminate at the other end of a 300 baud serial line. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 03:58:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16573106566B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor1.peak.org (redcondor1.peak.org [69.59.192.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D656F8FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by redcondor1.peak.org ({e03e86cd-14ae-47ce-9578-3c080ce9c462}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20111026035829303 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:58:29 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EECA14896C9 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3621361F71 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD6AC590 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9Q3wJGh089956; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:58:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> (Patrick Lamaiziere's message of "Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:20:37 +0200") Message-ID: <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:58:30 -0000 Patrick Lamaiziere writes: > Hello, > > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but > is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? I use a colorized termcap with less, but it also works with /usr/bin/more. It depends on what type of terminal you are using it on. I have it for xterm and rxvt (which is what I use). This works for manpages, but you can also colorize your prompt. It is short, so my ~/.termcap is below: ---------------------- snip ------------------- # this is just changes to the standard FreeBSD termcaps - 2010-12-13 cdj xterm|xterm-color|X11 terminal emulator:\ :md=\E[33;1m:so=\E[36;1m:se=\E[0m:us=\E[32;4m:ue=\E[0;24m:\ :ti@:te@:tc=xterm-xfree86: rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System):\ :md=\E[33;1m:so=\E[36;1m:se=\E[0m:us=\E[32;4m:ue=\E[0;24m:\ :pa#64:Co#8:AF=\E[3%dm:AB=\E[4%dm:op=\E[39;49m:\ :tc=rxvt-mono: ---------------------- snip ------------------- All that does is set bold to yellow, standout to cyan, and underline to green. I use white on black, so if you use something else you will probably have to adjust the colors. I haven't tried 9.0, but this works on 8.1-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE. You can decide for yourself if that does what you want. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 04:25:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205661065670 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A433B8FC16 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9Q4PIBr000970; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:25:18 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9Q4LWfX000363; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:25:16 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A15E533C1F; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:21:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:21:32 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Chuck Bacon Message-ID: <20111026042132.GB43990@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD_10_2011.pdf - typical problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:25:26 -0000 --KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 06:16:04PM -0400, Chuck Bacon wrote: > > I often receive PDFs which die with gv. I have just downloaded the=20 > current copy of BSD_10_2011.pdf, with stats: > MD5 (BSD_10_2011.pdf) =3D 69c8b0be7c59870eb41e09b46fa568ba > -just so's you know. > This one causes gv to respond with: > Error: /syntaxerror in readxrefGNU Ghostscript 7.07: Unrecoverable=20 > error, exit code .. etc. > Some PDFs come through OK, but about half fail, often with different=20 > errors. I'm running: > FreeBSD tomato.local 8.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Sep=20 > 27 18:45:57 UTC=20 > 2011 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC=20 > amd64 > on an ASUS MB and AMD64 4x CPU. Any ideas? > As a retired sysadmin from the 1950s, I'm over my head but can't let go= =20 > :-) > So I need help sometimes :-( > Many thanks - Chuck Bacon Not sure why you're using gv. Try graphics/xpdf. Use xpdf to view the pdf and pdftops to convert it to postscript for printing. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk6nissACgkQHduKvUAgeK41dQCg097R+MV/+cHCu+cHLlA+v9hp C6sAn2WBbtl1PMyluFuhbsRaeYDfunn+ =Q5V0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 05:34:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F230F106566B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1118FC18 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9Q5YII2084420; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9Q5YILf084417; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:34:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Patrick Lamaiziere Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:34:22 -0000 On Tue, 25 Oct 2011, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Patrick Lamaiziere > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but >> is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? >> >> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Man_Page A) printf on FreeBSD doesn't do \e, so use \033 instead. B) My eyes! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 06:30:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D6B1065674 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCCB8FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012DB5E1B1 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:31:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.130, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Uy7En2IunS1G for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:31:36 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C57FC5E1B6 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4EA7A8FE.6020904@eskk.nu> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:30:22 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111002 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: LibreOffice printing, only gibberish comes out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:30:23 -0000 I wrote earlier about printing in Firefox. I have a similar problem in LibreOffice now. unreadable text but layout is almost correct. Printing from Thunderbird and xpdf is ok. Anyone else that have seen the problem with LibreOffice? My solution at the moment and it's not a good one, is to have a virtual machine with Windows 7 and print from there. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 06:37:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72E01065673 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404228FC12 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9Q6b1fv029253; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:37:01 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9Q6b0A3029232; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:37:01 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8304733C1F; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:37:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:37:00 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20111026063700.GC43990@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: Adam Vande More , questions@freebsd.org, Patrick Lamaiziere Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:37:04 -0000 --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:34:18PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011, Adam Vande More wrote: >=20 > >On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Patrick Lamaiziere > >wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but > >>is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? > >> > >> > >https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Man_Page >=20 > A) printf on FreeBSD doesn't do \e, so use \033 instead. >=20 > B) My eyes! Agree on B! You can change the colours of course. http://www.understudy.net/custom.html#table2 shows the colour codes. I changed mine to this: man() { env \ LESS_TERMCAP_mb=3D$(printf "\033[1;34m") \ LESS_TERMCAP_md=3D$(printf "\033[1;34m") \ LESS_TERMCAP_me=3D$(printf "\033[0m") \ LESS_TERMCAP_se=3D$(printf "\033[0m") \ LESS_TERMCAP_so=3D$(printf "\033[1;44;33m") \ LESS_TERMCAP_ue=3D$(printf "\033[0m") \ LESS_TERMCAP_us=3D$(printf "\033[0;35m") \ man "$@" } in ~/.kshrc Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk6nqosACgkQHduKvUAgeK6saQCeOQcTBHDt2jKTPTt4H32BBHIz sXAAnix0Tceg5daGDndZNy6TtG1PATtH =BZk9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 08:10:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F266F106564A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:10:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1598FC13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id p9Q8Akj5009481 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id p9Q8AkEC009478 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:10:46 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111026081045.GA8798@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:10:48 -0000 --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:58:19PM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: > Patrick Lamaiziere writes: >=20 > > Hello, > > > > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but > > is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? >=20 > I use a colorized termcap with less, but it also works with > /usr/bin/more. It depends on what type of terminal you are using it > on. I have it for xterm and rxvt (which is what I use). This works for > manpages, but you can also colorize your prompt. >=20 > It is short, so my ~/.termcap is below: >=20 > ---------------------- snip ------------------- > # this is just changes to the standard FreeBSD termcaps - 2010-12-13 cdj >=20 > xterm|xterm-color|X11 terminal emulator:\ > :md=3D\E[33;1m:so=3D\E[36;1m:se=3D\E[0m:us=3D\E[32;4m:ue=3D\E[0;2= 4m:\ > :ti@:te@:tc=3Dxterm-xfree86: >=20 > rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System):\ > :md=3D\E[33;1m:so=3D\E[36;1m:se=3D\E[0m:us=3D\E[32;4m:ue=3D\E[0;2= 4m:\ > :pa#64:Co#8:AF=3D\E[3%dm:AB=3D\E[4%dm:op=3D\E[39;49m:\ > :tc=3Drxvt-mono: > ---------------------- snip ------------------- >=20 > All that does is set bold to yellow, standout to cyan, and underline to > green. I use white on black, so if you use something else you will > probably have to adjust the colors. I haven't tried 9.0, but this works > on 8.1-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE. You can decide for yourself if that > does what you want. fwiw, without also setting the NC capability (something like NC#35), it'll confuse curses/ncurses since that conflicts with the normal color controls. --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFOp8CEtIqByHxlDocRAnt+AJ4nEmCJPb3GQpRq7wAUuex8pmTzKwCgpKac 9r4zoPdEPc3pjU0SdpaG2pM= =aV4O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 10:39:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB01A106564A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra2bear@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434B28FC20 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so1987170faa.13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:39:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BLnnh/8ZWIoXkcvv5rlQmwU+xaWj4uGhf5cQ/dIxQEQ=; b=wvLIESl2p4wy1wnBdPWQ9IxdCqudsKl1Ma/zWnI/Gj5Jr9vbwugKaTEQVsBJSaC5+K byPIRwfglzmfz+9On1sl0i3wJVYQP6gQcKPmQ30kCnlfBOwx+cxQPyJEywdB/YT+4Wb1 hPYL6o4EKi0rZeJKKh4+tktUmhQJYXxNzxQuA= Received: by 10.223.4.215 with SMTP id 23mr58165146fas.8.1319625589216; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:39:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.200 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:39:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Kryszkiewicz Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: rsync and the ports tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:39:50 -0000 I have several machines installed in my temporary location and only my laptop gets the internet through wireless. So far I've been building ports on the other machines by rsync'ing the distfiles from the laptop as I need them (all machines have the same FreeBSD 8.2 installed). The problem comes after I did a 'portupgrade -a' on the laptop. To ensure the other ports trees are in sync, can I rsync the /usr/ports directory to the other machines? Since some of them are different architectures (amd64 multicore for instance) I ran into situations where the distfiles are different (for gcc for example). If not rsync, what is the best way to keep multiple ports trees on different hardware in sync, assuming everything runs FreeBSD 8.2? regards, Peter Kryszkiewicz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 10:54:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C5D106566C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christer.solskogen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241838FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so2140285wwi.31 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=sjyiV/flahy/BHPjW1ZQisdED9A5WjDT+pVr6WMp+zc=; b=odlfa4FP2q+KQ0pXJ0RPCHwGfpdgqPWvuNG3oF8SPoFfOX/z5E7hqcrcswG7Zp8agT kb7NR+R8Gr+9RlRpZiiXncr0Wc8BjKCpfHB71sDvrMSzQ4yEwoXgdWPRPMF628UNcSXZ cjVO3DZVRRTH6+/uKPR2RDKZYHP/akffvZvJI= Received: by 10.227.208.149 with SMTP id gc21mr8999279wbb.10.1319626463085; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:54:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.136.6 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:54:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Christer Solskogen Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:54:03 +0200 Message-ID: To: Peter Kryszkiewicz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rsync and the ports tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:54:24 -0000 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Peter Kryszkiewicz wrote: > I have several machines installed in my temporary location and only my > laptop gets the internet through wireless. So far I've been building ports > on the other machines by rsync'ing the distfiles from the laptop as I need > them (all machines have the same FreeBSD 8.2 installed). > > The problem comes after I did a 'portupgrade -a' on the laptop. To ensure > the other ports trees are in sync, can I rsync the /usr/ports directory to > the other machines? Since some of them are different architectures (amd64 > multicore for instance) I ran into situations where the distfiles are > different (for gcc for example). > The distfiles are not different between architectures. Rsyncing /usr/ports works fine. But if you will bump into problems if you also sync /usr/ports/packages and you have different archs (i386 vs amd64 for instance). -- chs, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 11:59:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B977B106566B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAA58FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6041DCEA; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9QBxsVX002154; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Open Slate Message-Id: <20111026135954.87919598.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Three button mouse emulation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:59:58 -0000 On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:06:08 -1000, Open Slate wrote: > A simple way to enable three button mouse emulation is to put > > mouse_flags=-3 > > in /etc/rc.conf. I always thought it was moused_flags (according to moused), has this been changed, or is it just a typo? On my old system, I had a setting like this: moused_flags="-z 4" And for X, there was an additional setting: Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "EmulateWheel" "true" Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" This setting makes the middle mouse button to "be the mouse wheel" when the mouse is moved in Y direction. This applies to 3 button standard mice (which I do prefer over those clumsy wheel things). A slightly changed setting could make the left _plus_ right button appear as the middle button, being that _and_ the mouse wheel. This configuration suggestion could be helpful for users who suffer from a two-button glidepad on their laptops. > I cannot find this documented anywhere. Section 4.5 of the > faq mentions this feature and refers to the moused man page, where we are > told to pass -3 to moused. Similar treatment in the handbook. Section > 2.10.10. Only a seasoned veteran would think to look in > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. I don't see more than generic advice in that file regarding the use of moused flags. > This trick is especially useful to laptop users and should be in the > handbook. Fully agree. Maybe an additional hint on how to make X work better on such limited hardware configuration would be nice. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 12:48:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32F7106566B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82708FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDFF3D006; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9QCVov0002260; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chuck Bacon Message-Id: <20111026143150.07752ba0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD_10_2011.pdf - typical problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:48:34 -0000 On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT), Chuck Bacon wrote: > I often receive PDFs which die with gv. I have just downloaded the > current copy of BSD_10_2011.pdf, with stats: > MD5 (BSD_10_2011.pdf) = 69c8b0be7c59870eb41e09b46fa568ba > -just so's you know. > This one causes gv to respond with: > Error: /syntaxerror in readxrefGNU Ghostscript 7.07: Unrecoverable > error, exit code .. etc. > Some PDFs come through OK, but about half fail, often with different > errors. I'm running: > FreeBSD tomato.local 8.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Sep > 27 18:45:57 UTC > 2011 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > amd64 > on an ASUS MB and AMD64 4x CPU. Any ideas? > As a retired sysadmin from the 1950s, I'm over my head but can't let go > :-) > So I need help sometimes :-( > Many thanks - Chuck Bacon Yes, I sometimes see this behaviour with gv too. As I do not want to use heavyweight bloatware like that "Acrobat" reader, I use the xpdf program for the PDF files that don't work with gv. Maybe you try this program? And I also use xpdf -fullscreen for presentaqtions. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 14:15:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED5E106566C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:15:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5E98FC14 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9QEEpY4087395; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9QEEp1v087392; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111026143150.07752ba0.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20111026143150.07752ba0.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Chuck Bacon Subject: Re: BSD_10_2011.pdf - typical problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:15:04 -0000 On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT), Chuck Bacon wrote: >> I often receive PDFs which die with gv. I have just downloaded the >> current copy of BSD_10_2011.pdf, with stats: >> MD5 (BSD_10_2011.pdf) = 69c8b0be7c59870eb41e09b46fa568ba >> -just so's you know. >> This one causes gv to respond with: >> Error: /syntaxerror in readxrefGNU Ghostscript 7.07: Unrecoverable >> error, exit code .. etc. >> Some PDFs come through OK, but about half fail, often with different >> errors. I'm running: >> FreeBSD tomato.local 8.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Sep >> 27 18:45:57 UTC >> 2011 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> amd64 >> on an ASUS MB and AMD64 4x CPU. Any ideas? >> As a retired sysadmin from the 1950s, I'm over my head but can't let go >> :-) >> So I need help sometimes :-( >> Many thanks - Chuck Bacon > > Yes, I sometimes see this behaviour with gv too. > As I do not want to use heavyweight bloatware like > that "Acrobat" reader, I use the xpdf program for > the PDF files that don't work with gv. Maybe you > try this program? Updating ghostscript 7.07 to either 8 or 9 is also worth a try. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 15:07:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E7B1065781 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4568FC14 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo13 with SMTP id fo13so2329352vcb.13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.116.68 with SMTP id l4mr377994vcq.182.1319641673212; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.194.194 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.182.5] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:07:53 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Peter Kryszkiewicz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rsync and the ports tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:07:54 -0000 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Peter Kryszkiewicz wrote: > I have several machines installed in my temporary location and only my > laptop gets the internet through wireless. So far I've been building ports > on the other machines by rsync'ing the distfiles from the laptop as I need > them (all machines have the same FreeBSD 8.2 installed). > > The problem comes after I did a 'portupgrade -a' on the laptop. To ensure > the other ports trees are in sync, can I rsync the /usr/ports directory to > the other machines? Since some of them are different architectures (amd64 > multicore for instance) I ran into situations where the distfiles are > different (for gcc for example). First of all, rsync is working perfectly if you want to distribute /usr/ports/distfiles, /usr/ports to your internal machines, even when they are not of the same architecture. I'm doing this with a BIG farm of servers running i386, amd64, and sparc64 for a long, long time. You only need to make sure to rsync the *union* of your /usr/ports/distfiles directories, or else it won't work. Say, on amd64 you have /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-amd64-only.tar.bz2 and on i386 you have /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-i386-only.tar.bz2 Yes, that happens every now and then. So you have to rsync both ways, so that you end up with /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-amd64-only.tar.bz2 /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-i386-only.tar.bz2 on both i386 and amd64 machines. The catch is: look out for rsync's --delete flag! When some port managers delete old/stale distfiles, they may also delete distfiles for the *other* arches because they (rightly) think they are not needed here... and when you then rsync with --delete, that would (wrongly) propagate such deletes to those arches, and you end up with missing distfiles on the targets. Since I have more than just two arches, I use a slightly different 2-layer workflow: 0. I have 3 servers that are allowed to fetch files from the outside: i386-master, amd64-master, sparc64-master. and a whole bunch of i386-slave-NNN, amd64-slave-NNN and sparc64-slave-NNN machines that would duplicate from their relative masters via rsync. On all -master(s), I keep $DISTFILES outside of /usr/ports (on /usr/local/distfiles, with a symbolic link in /usr/ports /usr/ports/distfiles -> /usr/local/distfiles) Initial update of i386-master, as usual: 1. On i386-master, csup /usr/ports. Run portmaster as usual to upgrade everything. This may delete old stale distfiles and non-i386-distfiles. This may fetch additional generic and i386-specific distfiles. Copy the new /usr/ports (without distfiles) to the other arch masters: 2. rsync -av --delete i386-master:/usr/ports to amd64-master and sparc64-master. CAUTION: Use --delete is okay, but only because distfiles are not under /usr/ports, so as not to nuke non-i386-specific distfiles of the other arches. Copy i386-master's NEW distfiles to the other arch masters: 3. rsync -av i386-master:/usr/local/distfiles to amd64-master and sparc64-master. BEWARE: Don't use --delete here! Do this to copy new generic distfiles (and i386) from the i386-master build to amd64-master and sparc64-master. Update amd64-master and sparc64-master's ports as usual: 4. On amd64-master, run portmaster as usual to upgrade everything. This may delete old stale distfiles and non-amd64-distfiles. This may fetch additional (generic and) amd64-specific-distfiles. 5. On sparc64-master, run portmaster as usual to upgrade everything. This may delete old stale distfiles and non-sparc64-distfiles. This may fetch additional (generic and) sparc64-specific-distfiles. At this point, i386-master, amd64-master and sparc64-master are fully updated, and their /usr/local/distfiles directories are up to date w.r.t. their specific architectures. Now, copy everything from the masters to the slaves: 6. On every i386-slave-NNN, rsync -av --delete: /usr/ports, /usr/local (including /usr/local/distfiles), /var/db/pkg, /var/db/ports from i386-master. 7. On every amd64-slave-NNN, rsync -av --delete: /usr/ports, /usr/local (including /usr/local/distfiles) /var/db/pkg, /var/db/ports from amd64-master. 8. On every sparc64-slave-NNN, rsync -av --delete: /usr/ports, /usr/local (including /usr/local/distfiles) /var/db/pkg, /var/db/ports from sparc64-master. You may also need to update entries in /etc and /usr/local/etc on the slaves. > If not rsync, what is the best way to keep multiple ports trees on different > hardware in sync, assuming everything runs FreeBSD 8.2? > > regards, > Peter Kryszkiewicz -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 16:18:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD731065674 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sol289@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F34F8FC12 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaky10 with SMTP id y10so3005187iak.13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:18:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=zJGWUl7Weze0QgYnhg+5ld7H4RRU/Q6xsgXnqI3nxiE=; b=jWvqusPHKHU2Q+lIYL+RaVktEz4TFaJH1gBGq+uSf1OKaxxWEybkmCHAxTIrdmOtWL TZkkZ5zzvDU4AyRBrlCuezkcHopmFbvUvUTQgEn9U3Z4219Fi2Rz+UXAyTzCg7ku0VMf pBW/FNSp7l8m3TozPxbp2wvCiOsSoADnAvTLY= Received: by 10.42.154.194 with SMTP id r2mr52710144icw.50.1319644055060; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.47.131 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: alexander lunyov Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:47:15 +0400 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: carp over openvpn? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:18:17 -0000 Hello. I'm trying to make work carp over openvpn in bridge mode. I have 3 servers, VPN-IN, VPN-OUT1 and VPN-OUT2, they connected to different ethernet networks and cannot see each other on data link level. All servers run 8.2-RELEASE. VPN-IN is a openvpn server in bridge mode, VPN-OUT1 and VPN-OUT2 are openvpn clients. I configured on each server address from 10.80.90.0/24 network as alias, so address space is looking like this: VPN-IN@bridge0: 10.80.90.63 - bridged to tap0 VPN-OUT1@em0: 10.80.90.4 - bridged to tap0 VPN-OUT2@em0: 10.80.90.6 - bridged to tap0 Servers have real IPs, which i masked as x.x.x.x, y.y.y.y and z.z.z.z. When VPN-OUT1 and VPN-OUT2 connects to VPN-IN i can ping all 10.80.90. addresses from anywhere, so the vpn is working. When i create CARP interfaces on both VPN-OUT-s, carp0 on both is in MASTER state and VPN-IN cannot ping carp address 10.80.90.10 (VPN-OUTs ping own 10.80.90.10 address ok). On VPN-IN@bridge0 i see advertisements from both VPN-OUTs: # tcpdump -i bridge0 net 10.80.90.0/24 18:34:48.505618 IP 10.80.90.4 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 10, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 18:34:48.801474 IP 10.80.90.6 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 100, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 18:34:49.546667 IP 10.80.90.4 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 10, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 18:34:50.198569 IP 10.80.90.6 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 100, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 On VPN-OUT1@bridge0 i see advertisements from VPN-OUT2: # tcpdump -i bridge0 net 10.80.90.0/24 00:35:39.811034 IP 10.80.90.6 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 10, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 00:35:40.852178 IP 10.80.90.6 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 10, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 On VPN-OUT2@bridge0 i see advertisements from VPN-OUT1: # tcpdump -i bridge0 net 10.80.90.0/24 00:35:39.811034 IP 10.80.90.4 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 10, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 00:35:40.852178 IP 10.80.90.4 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 10, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 When i try to ping carp address 10.80.90.10 from VPN-IN, I see arp requests but nobody answers, though ARP reaches VPN-OUTs: VPN-OUT2# tcpdump -i bridge0 net 10.80.90.0/24 07:49:30.014907 IP 10.80.90.6 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 100, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 07:49:30.700133 ARP, Request who-has 10.80.90.10 tell 10.80.90.63, length 28 07:49:31.412868 IP 10.80.90.6 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 100, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 07:49:31.700014 ARP, Request who-has 10.80.90.10 tell 10.80.90.63, length 28 So, why carp interfaces on VPN-OUTs doesn't see each other advertisements and ARP from VPN-IN? VPN-OUT1# netstat -s -p carp carp: 6515137 packets received (IPv4) 42246 packets sent (IPv4) ifconfigs: VPN-IN# ifconfig bge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=c019b ether 00:19:99:16:32:fd inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast x.x.x.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 nd6 options=3 tap0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=80000 ether 00:bd:cd:f5:1a:00 Opened by PID 86461 bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 76:38:a6:0e:16:36 inet 10.80.90.63 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.80.90.255 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 member: tap0 flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 3 priority 128 path cost 2000000 VPN-OUT1# ifconfig em0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=2098 ether 00:25:90:06:a7:ee inet y.y.y.y netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast y.y.y.255 inet 10.80.90.4 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.80.90.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 nd6 options=3 tap0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=80000 ether 00:bd:98:a7:80:00 Opened by PID 79699 bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether a6:be:59:84:94:7f id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 member: em0 flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 1 priority 128 path cost 20000 member: tap0 flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 4 priority 128 path cost 2000000 carp0: flags=49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 10.80.90.10 netmask 0xffffff00 carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 10 VPN-OUT2# ifconfig em0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=2098 ether 00:25:90:00:59:1a inet z.z.z.z netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast z.z.z.255 inet 10.80.90.6 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.80.90.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 nd6 options=3 tap0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=80000 ether 00:bd:2e:29:90:00 Opened by PID 75704 bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether ba:37:68:2b:7d:32 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 member: em0 flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 1 priority 128 path cost 20000 member: tap0 flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 4 priority 128 path cost 2000000 carp0: flags=49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 10.80.90.10 netmask 0xffffff00 carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 100 p.s.: i also tried freevrrpd, and i see the same behavior - i see advertisements from both VPN-OUTs, but they don't see each other. p.p.s.: if i'm writing to wrong list, please, point me to the right one where i can ask this question. i'm already post this question to freebsd-net, but nobody answers. -- your sweet isn't ready yet From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 17:08:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B77106566C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [94.23.254.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464C78FC08 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (63.9.74.86.rev.sfr.net [86.74.9.63]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 607CDFAA31A5; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722A273149; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:08:47 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111026190847.291a4264@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <20135.29649.831213.537245@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <20135.29649.831213.537245@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Robert Huff Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:08:44 -0000 Le Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:43:29 -0400, Robert Huff a écrit : > > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's > > cool but is there a way to do this with the base system (ie > > without adding port)? > > I believe the answer will be "Not going to happen." Color is > nice, but the system is desugned so it can be easily run when the > system console is something indeterminate at the other end of a 300 > baud serial line. We have ls with color (and no problem with serial console, there is no color when using it). Why not a nice manual? In fact there were some works on 9.0: http://markmail.org/message/3hqgrjbvg7sneobk But it does not seem to work here on a fresh 9.0/RC1 (via ssh but ls color works fine), does it work for you? Anyway thank you all for your replies. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 17:14:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF75106564A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@bsdly.net) Received: from skapet.bsdly.net (cl-426.sto-01.se.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:16d8:ff00:1a9::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A766D8FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.168.103.31] (helo=deeperthought.bsdly.net.bsdly.net ident=peter) by skapet.bsdly.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ73F-0007MK-AA; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:14:05 +0200 From: peter@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000801cc933c$60776520$21662f60$@org> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:14:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <000801cc933c$60776520$21662f60$@org> (Admin ValhallaProjectet's message of "Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:34:35 +0200") Message-ID: <87ehxzd6ar.fsf@deeperthought.bsdly.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: SV: Breakin attempt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:14:07 -0000 "Admin ValhallaProjectet" writes: > Probably a bunch of bots. Not very intelligent used. It's a recurring phenomenon, sometimes called the "hail mary cloud" (the odds are overwhelmingly against such things ever succeeding, but they keep trying anyway). > Really messed up my logfiles. I was a bit curious if the purpose > was just that, to mask some more clever real attacks, but haven't > seen any signs of such. > I changed my ssh port, just to reduce the noise, and it all ceased. This round was over a lot quicker than the ealier ones, see eg http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/hailmary/ and the inital blog post about the phenomenon, http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2008/12/low-intensity-distributed-bruteforce.html - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 17:24:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A84106564A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor2.peak.org (redcondor2.peak.org [69.59.192.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191988FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta01.peak.org ([207.55.16.111]) by redcondor2.peak.org ({6c724cae-de34-4c5f-b615-3072b86419fa}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20111026172400167 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:24:00 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta01.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 095C94926DA for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7BD61F71 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DB5C05D for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9QHNvue081074; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> <20111026081045.GA8798@saltmine.radix.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:23:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20111026081045.GA8798@saltmine.radix.net> (Thomas Dickey's message of "Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:10:46 -0400") Message-ID: <87ehxz4qfm.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:24:04 -0000 Thomas Dickey writes: > fwiw, without also setting the NC capability (something like NC#35), > it'll confuse curses/ncurses since that conflicts with the normal > color controls. Thanks, I had missed that description in the terminfo(5) manpage. It worked fine without it, but that might have been just because I hadn't been using enough colors. I put it in but there is no change for my applications. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 17:39:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C20106564A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [94.23.254.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AB68FC1A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (63.9.74.86.rev.sfr.net [86.74.9.63]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 586CBFAA31A5 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EBD73141 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:39:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:39:27 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111026193927.268501ec@davenulle.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: (8.2) share lib and ldconfig problem. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:39:23 -0000 Hello, 8.2 STABLE/i386 I'm hit by something strange. Basically ldconfig does not take care of some libs in /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg By sample I've updated icu (via portupgrade) and libreoffice does not start anymore. $ libreoffice /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libicuuc.so.46" not found, required by "libsvtfi.so" Portgrade did a copy of the lib into /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg and run ldconfig. But the lib does not appear in the listing of the ldconfig cache : # cd /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/ # ls -m *icu* libicudata.so.46*, libicudata.so.46.1*, libicui18n.so.46.1*, libicuio.so.46.1*, libicule.so.46.1*, libiculx.so.46.1*, libicutest.so.46.1*, libicutu.so.46.1*, libicuuc.so.46.1* # ldconfig -r | grep pkg | grep icu 664:-licudata.46 => /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libicudata.so.46 Note that there is only one icu lib in the ldconfig's cache. The one named libicudata.so.46 (which is a copy of libicudata.so.46.1). Questions are : - Why theses libs are not in the ldconfig cache ? - Why a copy named libicudata.so.46 is in the cache and not libicudata.so.46.1? I've checked the permission and ownership of the libs, they are good. I've got also some backups of old libs which are not in the cache too. Any clue? Thanks, regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 17:49:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC745106568B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor2.peak.org (redcondor2.peak.org [69.59.192.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9708FC2A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta01.peak.org ([207.55.16.111]) by redcondor2.peak.org ({6c724cae-de34-4c5f-b615-3072b86419fa}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20111026174947002 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:49:47 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta01.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B671F4927C8 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBCC61F71 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53F1C05D for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9QHnjGS081239; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:49:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> (Carl Johnson's message of "Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:58:19 -0700") Message-ID: <87aa8n4p8m.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:49:47 -0000 Carl Johnson writes: > Patrick Lamaiziere writes: > >> Hello, >> >> I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but >> is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? > > I use a colorized termcap with less, but it also works with > /usr/bin/more. It depends on what type of terminal you are using it > on. I have it for xterm and rxvt (which is what I use). This works for > manpages, but you can also colorize your prompt. Obviously I hadn't thought that through since there is no xterm in the base system, but both the xterm and rxvt termcap entries seem to work on the console. Just to be sure I made up a colorized cons25 entry. I left in the underline attribute, even though the console doesn't seem to support underline. I also added the nc capability that Thomas Dickey suggested should be used. The revised version of my ~/.termcap is below if anybody is interested: -------- start ~/.termcap ------------- # these are just changes to the standard FreeBSD termcap - 2010-12-13 cdj # added cons25 and nc capability - 2011-10-26 cdj xterm|xterm-color|X11 terminal emulator:\ :md=\E[33;1m:so=\E[36;1m:se=\E[0m:us=\E[32;4m:ue=\E[0;24m:nc#35:\ :ti@:te@:tc=xterm-xfree86: rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System):\ :md=\E[33;1m:so=\E[36;1m:se=\E[0m:us=\E[32;4m:ue=\E[0;24m:nc#35:\ :pa#64:Co#8:AF=\E[3%dm:AB=\E[4%dm:op=\E[39;49m:\ :tc=rxvt-mono: cons25|colorized version of cons25|:\ :md=\E[33;1m:so=\E[36;1m:se=\E[0m:us=\E[32;4m:ue=\E[0;24m:nc#35:\ :ac=l\332m\300k\277j\331u\264t\303v\301w\302q\304x\263n\305`^Da\260f\370g\361~\371.^Y-^Xh\261i^U0\333y\363z\362:\ :tc=cons25w: -------- end ~/.termcap ------------- Note that the ac capability in cons25 should be a single (long) line. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 19:42:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE226106566C for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snoop@email.it) Received: from smtp-out06.email.it (smtp-out06.email.it [212.97.34.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B308FC13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out06.email.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7A72C012 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:20:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at email.it Received: from smtp-out06.email.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-out06.email.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yepGapWHHFQ3 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.59] (inhio.eu [84.242.85.251]) by smtp-out06.email.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394C82C004 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:20:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Snoop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:20:10 +0200 Message-ID: <1319656810.1358.8.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CARP related trivial question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:42:22 -0000 Hi everybody, I've got a pretty trivial question but I'm kind of disoriented. In the CARP man pages is clearly stated http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/carp.html: __________________________________________________________________ "To enable support for CARP, the FreeBSD kernel must be rebuilt as described in Chapter 9 with the following option: device carp Alternatively, the if_carp.ko module can be loaded at boot time. Add the following line to the /boot/loader.conf: if_carp_load="YES" " __________________________________________________________________ I'm not new to FreeBSD but I didn't manage to load that as a module, not while the OS is running neither at the startup adding the param on loader.conf. I'd love to do that instead of recompiling the kernel to get that working on any node. I'm talking about FreeBSD 8.1. Am I missing something? Any tip would be appreciated. -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? 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M. Hansteen'" , References: <000801cc933c$60776520$21662f60$@org> <87ehxzd6ar.fsf@deeperthought.bsdly.net> In-Reply-To: <87ehxzd6ar.fsf@deeperthought.bsdly.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:01:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000801cc941a$0d0629b0$27127d10$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcyUArmBiA9PmbSpTIubF4ECgtIg2gAFy5Qw Content-Language: sv X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at odin.thorshammare.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on odin.thorshammare.org Cc: Subject: SV: SV: Breakin attempt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:02:28 -0000 -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] P=E5 vegne af Peter N. M. Hansteen Sendt: den 26 oktober 2011 19:14 Til: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Emne: Re: SV: Breakin attempt "Admin ValhallaProjectet" writes: > Probably a bunch of bots. Not very intelligent used. It's a recurring phenomenon, sometimes called the "hail mary cloud" (the odds are overwhelmingly against such things ever succeeding, but they = keep trying anyway). > Really messed up my logfiles. I was a bit curious if the purpose was=20 > just that, to mask some more clever real attacks, but haven't seen any = > signs of such. > I changed my ssh port, just to reduce the noise, and it all ceased. This round was over a lot quicker than the ealier ones, see eg http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/hailmary/ and the inital blog post about the phenomenon, http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2008/12/low-intensity-distributed-bruteforce.ht= ml - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----------------------------------------------- Very interesting reading. Thanks. /Hasse From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 20:27:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4944F1065743 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B59D8FC0A for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id p9QKRbj5015823 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id p9QKRb3O015822 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:27:37 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111026202737.GA15079@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <87obx44d5w.fsf@oak.localnet> <20111026081045.GA8798@saltmine.radix.net> <87ehxz4qfm.fsf@oak.localnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ehxz4qfm.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:27:39 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:23:57AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: > Thomas Dickey writes: >=20 > > fwiw, without also setting the NC capability (something like NC#35), > > it'll confuse curses/ncurses since that conflicts with the normal > > color controls. >=20 > Thanks, I had missed that description in the terminfo(5) manpage. It > worked fine without it, but that might have been just because I hadn't > been using enough colors. I put it in but there is no change for my > applications. To explain - since you're using colors to replace some of the video attributes, a curses application (less isn't one) will occasionally reset either a color or a "video attribute", supposing them to be distinct. (I don't have a demo in mind, but know that's how the code works...). Using NC, then curses applications will prefer using colors over the video attributes. (Again, less wouldn't be affected, since it's not trying to do more than one thing at a time on the screen). --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFOqG03tIqByHxlDocRAh+sAJ4or1oKTZR8D5SHZzlYeTMwf6au4wCfYI8+ VB7OdzloTPlD/oPk+2QhOLk= =IoXF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 26 21:36:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3E31065670 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B788FC17 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa01 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p9QLEjuw021004 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:15:02 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 10psx8g00n-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:15:02 -0500 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.1) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:15:01 -0500 Message-ID: <4EA87850.5060103@fisglobal.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:14:56 -0700 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <1319656810.1358.8.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> In-Reply-To: <1319656810.1358.8.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.1] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-10-26_06:2011-10-26, 2011-10-26, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: CARP related trivial question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:36:40 -0000 On 10/26/2011 12:20, Snoop wrote: > Hi everybody, > I've got a pretty trivial question but I'm kind of disoriented. > > In the CARP man pages is clearly stated > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/carp.html: > __________________________________________________________________ > "To enable support for CARP, the FreeBSD kernel must be rebuilt as > described in Chapter 9 with the following option: > device carp > > Alternatively, the if_carp.ko module can be loaded at boot time. Add the > following line to the /boot/loader.conf: > if_carp_load="YES" " > __________________________________________________________________ > > I'm not new to FreeBSD but I didn't manage to load that as a module, not > while the OS is running neither at the startup adding the param on > loader.conf. > I'd love to do that instead of recompiling the kernel to get that > working on any node. > I'm talking about FreeBSD 8.1. > > Am I missing something? > Any tip would be appreciated. > > > > -- > Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 00:02:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7105B106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16878FC0C for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yokozuna.lan (a80-101-78-208.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.78.208]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9QNlYxk052619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:47:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from yokozuna.lan (yokozuna.lan [IPv6:::1]) by yokozuna.lan (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9QNlXKd028663 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:47:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:47:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Marco Beishuizen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: gthumb: "IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:02:00 -0000 Hi, Gthumb core dumps with: ... IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0 Segmentation fault (core dumped) ... Does anyone know what this means? Thanks in advance, Marco -- Fortune's Real-Life Courtroom Quote #41: Q: Now, Mrs. Johnson, how was your first marriage terminated? A: By death. Q: And by whose death was it terminated? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 04:23:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F819106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattdavis9@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46ED8FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd8 with SMTP id 8so2983560gyd.13 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=DIDmxby69NxThFXxvXUWlWkylf6OafUkN/x/Jk2raqE=; b=Pqn2Sk+wqwm7xOJ8pxIe2/le/B7unLZ+t3hcbi8h4WlTXP1eqJKfKOyFoYRCcrtp2D 5/XDOjj9Ns93vRdyEHAiaHsfOB4kGVeEQWECknsjlPBy5SxBrBqU93sHU9rToWWEQuFD kl7y3OTEzTCLAkovAiFpT5AeZyKZOwTdGXvdE= Received: by 10.101.155.21 with SMTP id h21mr96262ano.69.1319688081459; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from excelsa.cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au (cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au. [128.250.80.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j13sm11183882ani.19.2011.10.26.21.01.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:01:12 +1100 From: Matt Davis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111027040112.GA8955@excelsa.cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 and DTrace Userland Probes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:23:31 -0000 I upgraded my box so that I can rock the userland DTrace probes. I have been following the example at: http://wiki.freebsd.org/DTrace/userland When I am ready to build my test probe, I run 'make' as the example shows. The result of that is the following: cc -O2 -pipe -fno-omit-frame-pointer -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c test.c cc -O2 -pipe -fno-omit-frame-pointer -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -o test test.o test.o: In function `main': test.c:(.text+0x29): undefined reference to `__dtrace_prober___probe__before' test.c:(.text+0x45): undefined reference to `__dtrace_prober___probe__after' *** Error code 1 Same idea as the example, but I just changed the names around. Well, so I thought I would be smart and compile just the object file with: dtrace -G -s prober.d And that stalls. `truss` is showing that dtrace is stalling after a mmap, with what looks to be a valid returned address. /* provider.d */ provider prober { probe probe__before(char *); probe probe__after(char *); }; /* test.c */ #include #include #include "provider.h" int main(void) { struct timeval tv; for ( ;; ) { sleep(1); PROBER_PROBE_BEFORE("foo"); gettimeofday(&tv, NULL); PROBER_PROBE_AFTER("bar"); } return 0; } Any insight would be wonderful. Thanks! -Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 08:28:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CF3106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD818FC12 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D31BDC34 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:28:30 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:28:32 -0000 This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled) because it may benefit some folks, other than just me. I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS. (I would say that I hate it, but I don't actually feel that strongly.) I have two personal workstations. When I say "personal" I mean it. I'm the only one who ever touches them. One of them I have been bringing back up recently after a long hiatus, and I've just installed 8.2-RELEASE/amd64 on it. One of the first things I found I needed to do with it, after installing the OS and a bunch of my favorite ports & packages was to set it up for printing to a crusty/trusty old workhorse... an HP Laserjet 3015. (This printer can print both plain text and Postscript, but if I just send it plain text the output doesn't really suit me, so I've made it prettier. See below.) Because I've never used 8.2 before... or even any 8.x release, I naturally went into the Handbook and looked for _current_ guidance on setting up printers. Most of that information was quite helpful, right up to the point where it started discussing CUPS. The bottom line is that CUPS is sophisticated, which is to say complex and convoluted. If you are impatient, then setting up CUPS properly is both tedious and time consuming. Of course, it _is_ essential that you properly set up CUPS if you are setting up a _server_ that multiple people will use, but for a personal workstation, the entire queueing structure is just overkill, in my opinion. More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow. There's a loooooooong pause after I queue something for printing until something actually comes out of the printer. Maybe that's my fault, e.g. because I didn't con- figure CUPS correctly, and maybe it isn't. I don't know, and actually, I don't want to know, because I found a way to nicely print stuff that just bypasses CUPS entirely. And it works for me, so I am a happy camper. I just wanted to share what I did. In a nutshell, I moved/renamed /usr/bin/lpr to /usr/bin/lpr- and replaced it with this trivial script: ============================================================================ #!/bin/sh printer='/dev/ulpt0' if [ $# = 0 ]; then cat | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer else for arg in $* ; do cat $arg | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer done fi ============================================================================ My Laserjet 3015 used to be hooked up via a good old fashioned bulky "centronix" parallel cable, but I thought that I ought to finally get myself into this century, so I got a new USB 2.0 cable for it just the other day, and now it's name is "/dev/ulpt0" rather than "/dev/lpt0" as before. As you can see, the script above just takes whatever filnames are given on the cmmand line and cats them one-by-one through psif and then the output from that gets sent straight to /dev/ulpt0. One little snag though... as I found out, it doesn't matter if you try to set the SUID bit on this script and make it owned by root. Nowadays shell scripts simply do not do SUID anymore. The only reason that's even signifi- cant is that you'll probably want to be able to print while logged in as any old user, and in order to make that work with this scheme, you have to do: chmod 0666 /dev/ulpt0 so that any user can write to the printer device file. I only fiddled a couple of other small things in order to make this all work. Firstly, I created my own versions of /usr/local/libexec/psif-text and also /usr/local/libexec/psif-ps. Here they are: /usr/local/libexec/psif-text: ============================================================================= #! /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/textps -c 10 -l 60 -m 38 -t 46 && printf "\004" && exit 0 ============================================================================= /usr/local/libexec/psif-ps: ============================================================================= #! /bin/sh /bin/cat && printf "\004" && exit 0 ============================================================================= The parameters for textps that I have in my psif-text file were just some parameters that I slapped together after running a few tests to see what values created output that looked good to me. Your milage may vary. After I set up all of the above stuff, I noticed that my attempts to use the "lpr" command to print things from non-root user accounts was still resulting in very long delays before anything would print. It took me some head scratch- ing but I finally found the problem. In a nutshell, the problems was that at one point while I was trying to get this all going, I did in fact install the CUPS package (and friends). As I learned, when you do this you get the following _different_ version of "lpr" installed in a place where normal user accounts are likely to see it in their $PATH first: /usr/local/bin/lpr Yikes! So we've got /usr/bin/lpr _and_ /usr/local/bin/lpr. I'm sure that at some point, somebody thought that it was a good idea to have two radically different programs in two different directories and give them both the same name. Maybe there actually is some good reason for that, but it wasn't helping me any, so I just did: cd /usr/local/bin mv lpr{,-} ln -s /usr/bin/lpr ./lpr That's all. Now I can print either Postscript or plain text files to my LaserJet, from both root and non-root accounts, and the printed output starts coming out of the printer within just a second or two every time. No queueing, no fooling around, just push that document out lickety-split. I'm sure that someone will tell me now that there are a zillion reasons why I should not have done any of this, and that I just don't understand this or that, or the fine technical reasons why CUPS is a wonderful tool and why I should be using it. But this works for me, and I saved a lot of time by NOT having to learn all of the ins-and-outs of using CUPS or, more importantly, configuring it. (I'm sure its a fine package, but I have other things that I need to be studying right now.) The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what will happen if I ever try to print something when something else is currently printing. (I did something similar to what I've described above, but still rather different, back on my old 7.0-RELEASE system, and I think that there, if the printer was already busy and I went to print something else, then that second print attempt would just error out right away. Obviously, if you want to stack up a whole set of documents for printing and then go out for lunch while they all print, my cheap-man's approach to setiing up a printer, as described here, will fail to give you the advantages of a real spooling/queueing system. But given that I personally rarely need to do that, for me it is pretty much of a non-issue.) That's all folks. I hope this all may be of some help to somebody. (Does anybody think that maybe this should go in the Handbook?) Regards, rfg P.S. While trying to debug my "slow printing" problem (see above) I did some googling around and found at least a few other people asking about this same sort of problem. One of them even mentioned that, like me, when he invoked "lpr" as root, the document gets printed immediately, but then trying to do that same thing under any ordinary user account results in this big delay before the printer prints anything. Obviously, that guy also got bit in the posterior by the /usr/local/bin/lpr versus /usr/bin/lpr issue/problem. And I don't blame him for being puzzled, as I was. You don't typically get radically different outcomes... where the main apparent difference is the _speed_ of the command... when you run command `X' as root and then as non-root. And that is only happening in this case because we've got two totally different programs with the same name, where one is in your default path if you are root, and a different one is in your default path when you are non-root. I'm not persuaded that giving these both the same name was really all that good a choice, from a user-interace/human-factors perspective. But I suppose that it is far too late to do anything about those choices now. Too much other stuff has probably already been built assuming that things are this way. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 10:42:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930931065673 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65F988FC16 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 10:42:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.33] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 10:42:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 10:42:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 114530.84135.bm@omp1033.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 374 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2011 10:42:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1319712142; bh=IQRFhJLkrBH40NH05r8bTEnjOb0xXPUIbNODf+deV6M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Xn5yd+15FvkVG0J0K0j3j0rVDLywgchXGlTwMXkkL8An7BhfgbtBZ4WB1GOr19zUTH0/Vic9MWFAgL6C0qZ3OUFbb4d7cTUg9KIIMhAn5/O37GOK1OaDeEo3MXfbuggWczXcv8mQkmAF8/7pEipmhcXPDUjOvfjYAKOTmEDyO8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bst1jcWUqXQ5TXQLAJc9hProdxr2BZtNH6alB2HxZ5/ftiZ/H4AV3cW+vuVvYk1KBE0tI/pp4TryfQ5IY7EFncVvOHUWik/4crNpIMrzqj1ZofnfHtx8aa7gmEooeLIsscgKgLJi7MrNYoi/2+XdBuAr3iUsd9Nyzy9kfYL7y2U=; X-YMail-OSG: WjeoR2wVM1naTTQezOV08a_qwPgTKspNoaq02YNO.f.VNfx _wk8NXmVeDDVmlvLakLArIMzQJReHfFyOrzNADdNBuhJ7XdNOmsb823HceKX wBEf2Xg9vqxZZH6dK.YgSNR1f_KDPWsWPTv8e3CkrTUH7fvBJ7.JVRvnRYrn X53qpmrThf95tCPwqDpqhOd0nodfS6kvf8cV9v.rGBIViBjVGNu4CQfgvuk8 RUFF..OjU_C1Vd2f95haLBCMqnyopZWwX9T1K7Wy3QfGSmpvi71RQfq_7rz7 X81EBVCGXG.wa_IBpsjta35symuczQU3wnEq50_3B.h4lFzB.r1yBJxbRDTA 6GnYDDwi1VNi4YXWOpmVNc4VenHvca._4WrmUSUfwm4YDrbyYbmu.lg6zav1 X_YfA0_3u9XHE1xG2uONIcAZ1U88lWziCsmtOZogL0GFhS_kx3TkbYvJe1rk lLiNPW3s- Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:42:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:42:23 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ronald F. Guilmette =0ATo: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Thursday,= October 27, 2011 4:28 AM=0ASubject: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS= =0A=0A=0A=0AThis isn't really a question.=A0 It's more of a semi-rant, comb= ined with some=0Ainformation that I wanted to put on the record (so that it= can be googled)=0Abecause it may benefit some folks, other than just me.= =0A=0AI'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS.=A0 (I would say that = I hate=0Ait, but I don't actually feel that strongly.)=0A=0AI have two pers= onal workstations.=A0 When I say "personal" I mean it.=A0 I'm=0Athe only on= e who ever touches them.=0A=0AOne of them I have been bringing back up rece= ntly after a long hiatus,=0Aand I've just installed 8.2-RELEASE/amd64 on it= .=0A=0AOne of the first things I found I needed to do with it, after instal= ling=0Athe OS and a bunch of my favorite ports & packages was to set it up = for=0Aprinting to a crusty/trusty old workhorse... an HP Laserjet 3015.=A0 = (This=0Aprinter can print both plain text and Postscript, but if I just sen= d=0Ait plain text the output doesn't really suit me, so I've made it pretti= er.=0ASee below.)=0A=0ABecause I've never used 8.2 before... or even any 8.= x release, I naturally=0Awent into the Handbook and looked for _current_ gu= idance on setting up=0Aprinters.=A0 Most of that information was quite help= ful, right up to the point=0Awhere it started discussing CUPS.=0A=0AThe bot= tom line is that CUPS is sophisticated, which is to say complex and=0Aconvo= luted.=A0 If you are impatient, then setting up CUPS properly is both=0Ated= ious and time consuming.=A0 Of course, it _is_ essential that you properly= =0Aset up CUPS if you are setting up a _server_ that multiple people will u= se,=0Abut for a personal workstation, the entire queueing structure is just= overkill,=0Ain my opinion.=0A=0AMore importantly, CUPS, for me at least, s= eems to be quite slow.=A0 There's a=0Aloooooooong pause after I queue somet= hing for printing until something actually=0Acomes out of the printer.=A0 M= aybe that's my fault, e.g. because I didn't con-=0Afigure CUPS correctly, a= nd maybe it isn't.=A0 I don't know, and actually, I=0Adon't want to know, b= ecause I found a way to nicely print stuff that just=0Abypasses CUPS entire= ly.=A0 And it works for me, so I am a happy camper.=0A=0AI just wanted to s= hare what I did.=0A=0AIn a nutshell, I moved/renamed /usr/bin/lpr to /usr/b= in/lpr- and replaced=0Ait with this trivial script:=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A#!/bin/sh=0A= =0Aprinter=3D'/dev/ulpt0'=0A=0Aif [ $# =3D 0 ]; then=0A=A0 cat | /usr/local= /libexec/psif > $printer=0Aelse=0A=A0 for arg in $* ; do=0A=A0 =A0 cat $arg= | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer=0A=A0 done=0Afi=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0AMy Laserj= et 3015 used to be hooked up via a good old fashioned bulky "centronix"=0Ap= arallel cable, but I thought that I ought to finally get myself into this= =0Acentury, so I got a new USB 2.0 cable for it just the other day, and now= it's=0Aname is "/dev/ulpt0" rather than "/dev/lpt0" as before.=0A=0AAs you= can see, the script above just takes whatever filnames are given on=0Athe = cmmand line and cats them one-by-one through psif and then the output=0Afro= m that gets sent straight to /dev/ulpt0.=0A=0AOne little snag though... as = I found out, it doesn't matter if you try to=0Aset the SUID bit on this scr= ipt and make it owned by root.=A0 Nowadays shell=0Ascripts simply do not do= SUID anymore.=A0 The only reason that's even signifi-=0Acant is that you'l= l probably want to be able to print while logged in as=0Aany old user, and = in order to make that work with this scheme, you have to do:=0A=0A=A0 chmo= d 0666 /dev/ulpt0=0A=0Aso that any user can write to the printer device fil= e.=0A=0AI only fiddled a couple of other small things in order to make this= all work.=0AFirstly, I created my own versions of /usr/local/libexec/psif-= text and also=0A/usr/local/libexec/psif-ps.=A0 Here they are:=0A=0A/usr/loc= al/libexec/psif-text:=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A#! /bin/sh=0A=0A/usr/local/bin/textps -c 1= 0 -l 60 -m 38 -t 46 && printf "\004" && exit 0=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A/usr/local/l= ibexec/psif-ps:=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A#! /bin/sh=0A=0A/bin/cat && printf "\004" && exi= t 0=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0AThe parameters for textps that I have in my psif-text fil= e were just some=0Aparameters that I slapped together after running a few t= ests to see what=0Avalues created output that looked good to me.=A0 Your mi= lage may vary.=0A=0AAfter I set up all of the above stuff, I noticed that m= y attempts to use the=0A"lpr" command to print things from non-root user ac= counts was still resulting=0Ain very long delays before anything would prin= t.=A0 It took me some head scratch-=0Aing but I finally found the problem.= =A0 In a nutshell, the problems was that=0Aat one point while I was trying = to get this all going, I did in fact install=0Athe CUPS package (and friend= s).=A0 As I learned, when you do this you get the=0Afollowing _different_ v= ersion of "lpr" installed in a place where normal user=0Aaccounts are likel= y to see it in their $PATH first:=0A=0A=A0 /usr/local/bin/lpr=0A=0AYikes!= =A0 So we've got /usr/bin/lpr _and_ /usr/local/bin/lpr.=A0 I'm sure that at= =0Asome point, somebody thought that it was a good idea to have two radical= ly=0Adifferent programs in two different directories and give them both the= same=0Aname.=A0 Maybe there actually is some good reason for that, but it = wasn't=0Ahelping me any, so I just did:=0A=0A=A0 cd /usr/local/bin=0A=A0 = mv lpr{,-}=0A=A0 ln -s /usr/bin/lpr ./lpr=0A=0AThat's all.=0A=0ANow I can = print either Postscript or plain text files to my LaserJet, from=0Aboth roo= t and non-root accounts, and the printed output starts coming out=0Aof the = printer within just a second or two every time.=A0 No queueing, no=0Afoolin= g around, just push that document out lickety-split.=0A=0AI'm sure that som= eone will tell me now that there are a zillion reasons=0Awhy I should not h= ave done any of this, and that I just don't understand=0Athis or that, or t= he fine technical reasons why CUPS is a wonderful tool=0Aand why I should b= e using it.=A0 But this works for me, and I saved a lot=0Aof time by NOT ha= ving to learn all of the ins-and-outs of using CUPS or,=0Amore importantly,= configuring it.=A0 (I'm sure its a fine package, but I have=0Aother things= that I need to be studying right now.)=0A=0AThe only thing that worries me= about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up=0Aa "personal" printer (as descri= be above) is that I sort of wonder what=0Awill happen if I ever try to prin= t something when something else is=0Acurrently printing.=A0 (I did somethin= g similar to what I've described=0Aabove, but still rather different, back = on my old 7.0-RELEASE system,=0Aand I think that there, if the printer was = already busy and I went to=0Aprint something else, then that second print a= ttempt would just error=0Aout right away.=A0 Obviously, if you want to stac= k up a whole set of=0Adocuments for printing and then go out for lunch whil= e they all print,=0Amy cheap-man's approach to setiing up a printer, as des= cribed here, will=0Afail to give you the advantages of a real spooling/queu= eing system.=A0 But=0Agiven that I personally rarely need to do that, for m= e it is pretty much=0Aof a non-issue.)=0A=0AThat's all folks.=A0 I hope thi= s all may be of some help to somebody.=0A=0A(Does anybody think that maybe = this should go in the Handbook?)=0A=0A=0ARegards,=0Arfg=0A=0A=0AP.S.=A0 Whi= le trying to debug my "slow printing" problem (see above) I did=0Asome goog= ling around and found at least a few other people asking about=0Athis same = sort of problem.=A0 One of them even mentioned that, like me,=0Awhen he inv= oked "lpr" as root, the document gets printed immediately,=0Abut then tryin= g to do that same thing under any ordinary user account=0Aresults in this b= ig delay before the printer prints anything.=0A=0AObviously, that guy also = got bit in the posterior by the /usr/local/bin/lpr=0Aversus /usr/bin/lpr is= sue/problem.=A0 And I don't blame him for being puzzled,=0Aas I was.=A0 You= don't typically get radically different outcomes... where the=0Amain appar= ent difference is the _speed_ of the command... when you run=0Acommand `X' = as root and then as non-root.=A0 And that is only happening in this=0Acase = because we've got two totally different programs with the same name,=0Awher= e one is in your default path if you are root, and a different one is=0Ain = your default path when you are non-root.=0A=0AI'm not persuaded that giving= these both the same name was really all that=0Agood a choice, from a user-= interace/human-factors perspective.=A0 But I suppose=0Athat it is far too l= ate to do anything about those choices now.=A0 Too much=0Aother stuff has p= robably already been built assuming that things are this way.=0A=0A________= _______________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mai= ling list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0AT= o unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= =0A=0A=0A=0AKudos for your persistence and for sharing this experience with= us. I too found CUPS a big waste of time for my uses. I have two networked= laser printers. One of them is an HP 4 (talk about your old workhorses) wi= th a JetDirect card. That of course is self explanatory. But the other is a= Brother HL2040 laserjet which used to run on a parallel cable but I conver= ted it over to USB about a year ago with the help of the nice folks in this= mailing list. This printer is driven by a FreeBSD-8.2-STABLE server using = lpd and a relatively simple filter which envokes ghostscript to convert the= PS files it receives into the correct format. The driver is part of ghosts= cript's library and it all works well. When I setup a M$ windows client I i= nstall a simple PS printer (there are many of them available in a standard = Windows machine). I do have to add Unix Printing Features on the M$ clients= and setup an lpr port but that again is built-in and you don't even need t= he original OEM CD to do this. The print jobs come out quickly and in all the= years I've been using it I never have problems.=0A=0AI'm sure there are ma= ny justifications for CUPS but so far I haven't needed it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 14:23:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138E9106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1248FC1C for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwn22 with SMTP id 22so953454wwn.1 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ou7ab+GYFpH82uPpEMqDx/0qkSgis/vYp7aKkdHTCNA=; b=R7typeVBWI5eOEx1GKtYQN2u0aHkGRWV6bapvQzvOz7VxV3UjvJisofWu4Y7RgyvCs C0Q2kookHuOLiruWB3eWkgq+nzpQu1dfPEmyWC9oh9wpdq4o7ZulZYNtePnW8RN+Qvgf LAUGpVR7wN+Z6yqm9Djz8jp11189FJ/HOMQA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.208.81 with SMTP id gb17mr16373126wbb.24.1319725407589; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.208.134 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:23:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:23:27 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AnQQET-cA3z3Gy86Ou4FXJ52_iI Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE Install Failure: Unable to create a new /etc/fstab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:23:29 -0000 Just following up...I resolved the issue by copying /etc/* to /stand/ in the mfsroot. On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Rick Miller wr= ote: > Hi All, > > I am Installing 8.2-RELEASE via PXE and receive an error stating that > sysinstall was unable to create new /etc/fstab. =A0Everything appears to > function correctly, in that, the system TFTP's the pxeboot and mfsroot > files as needed. =A0However, When I switch to the holographic shell and > poke around a little, I can see that there is no /etc, despite it's > existence in the mfsroot.gz. > > I must be missing something and am hoping that someone might be able > to point in the right direction. > > -- > Take care > Rick Miller > --=20 Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 14:47:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85900106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BFF8FC18 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B181D970; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9RElJ6j004929; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:47:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:47:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Patrick Lamaiziere Message-Id: <20111027164719.7ed962ac.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111026190847.291a4264@davenulle.org> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <20135.29649.831213.537245@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20111026190847.291a4264@davenulle.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:47:21 -0000 On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:08:47 +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Le Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:43:29 -0400, > Robert Huff a =E9crit : >=20 > > > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's > > > cool but is there a way to do this with the base system (ie > > > without adding port)? > >=20 > > I believe the answer will be "Not going to happen." Color is > > nice, but the system is desugned so it can be easily run when the > > system console is something indeterminate at the other end of a 300 > > baud serial line. >=20 > We have ls with color (and no problem with serial console, there is no > color when using it). Why not a nice manual? The Midnight Commander comes with a file viewer that can display manpages in color: % mcview /usr/share/man/man3/signal.3.gz A very nice manual. Additionally, there's xman. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 14:57:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9C4106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391F48FC13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9REv63o094439; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:57:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9REv3Cg094436; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:57:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:57:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" In-Reply-To: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:57:07 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Because I've never used 8.2 before... or even any 8.x release, I naturally > went into the Handbook and looked for _current_ guidance on setting up > printers. Most of that information was quite helpful, right up to the point > where it started discussing CUPS. There's a separate article about CUPS on the Books and Articles Online page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cups/index.html > I just wanted to share what I did. > > In a nutshell, I moved/renamed /usr/bin/lpr to /usr/bin/lpr- and replaced > it with this trivial script: ... > As you can see, the script above just takes whatever filnames are given on > the cmmand line and cats them one-by-one through psif and then the output > from that gets sent straight to /dev/ulpt0. ... > The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up > a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what > will happen if I ever try to print something when something else is > currently printing. There's also the issue of printing large files, which will tie up the command line until the printer has buffered them all. It can be backgrounded, but... Setting up lpd isn't much more involved, and should be able to handle many more unanticipated corner cases. > (Does anybody think that maybe this should go in the Handbook?) Maybe. The Handbook printing chapter is already kind of overstuffed and disjointed. Here's my take on setting up lpd, covering the current important stuff and building step by step: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 15:03:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC757106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0274ed8c24=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CFD8FC1B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 47939 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 14:36:31 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 14:36:31 -0000 Date: 27 Oct 2011 14:36:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20111027143609.60335.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:03:14 -0000 I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long enough that I don't want to wait. >More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow. >There's a loooooooong pause after I queue something for printing >until something actually comes out of the printer. Yeah. I have a similar printer with a similar problem. I believe that what's going on is that the current version of CUPS tells all the clients to print to PDF, then for printers that don't handle PDF, converts that to postcript using ghostscript which is very, very slow. I think this is a bug. A few versions ago it used to tell clients to print postscript which it can send directly to my printer. I also looked at using pdftops, which is much faster, to convert the PDF, but the call to ghostscript and the ghostscript command options are wired into the CUPS code and were more hassle to change than I wanted to do. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 15:16:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC99106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805F68FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2011 11:16:27 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BJM27820; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:16:27 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2011 11:16:27 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20137.30154.774316.331859@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:16:26 -0400 To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111027164719.7ed962ac.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20111026032037.23014255@davenulle.org> <20135.29649.831213.537245@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20111026190847.291a4264@davenulle.org> <20111027164719.7ed962ac.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Patrick Lamaiziere Subject: Re: nice man pages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:16:29 -0000 Polytropon writes: > > > > I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's > > > > cool but is there a way to do this with the base system (ie > > > > without adding port)? > > > > We have ls with color (and no problem with serial console, there is no > > color when using it). Why not a nice manual? > > The Midnight Commander comes with a file viewer that can display > manpages in color: The issue is not having a "nice" manual; the issue is having it in the base system. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 15:29:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F481106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE458FC14 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F84E1EAD9; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9RFTiAS005599; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:29:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bill Tillman Message-Id: <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:29:46 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:42:22 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman wrote: > This isn't really a question.=A0 It's more of a semi-rant, combined with = some > information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled) > because it may benefit some folks, other than just me. >=20 > I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS.=A0 (I would say that I ha= te > it, but I don't actually feel that strongly.) Let's shake hands, and allow me to add that I'm lazy. :-) > I have two personal workstations.=A0 When I say "personal" I mean it.=A0 = I'm > the only one who ever touches them. >=20 > One of them I have been bringing back up recently after a long hiatus, > and I've just installed 8.2-RELEASE/amd64 on it. >=20 > One of the first things I found I needed to do with it, after installing > the OS and a bunch of my favorite ports & packages was to set it up for > printing to a crusty/trusty old workhorse... an HP Laserjet 3015.=A0 (This > printer can print both plain text and Postscript, but if I just send > it plain text the output doesn't really suit me, so I've made it prettier. > See below.) Using PS with a Postscript printer is the default. It's exceptional (!) ability to also process pure ASCII text isn't used in many cases, but can be helpful if you need to bypass the printer spooler mechanism for some reason and just have to print simple listings, like % ls /etc | awk '{ printf "%s\r\n", $0; }' > /dev/lpt0 or > /dev/u(n)lpt0 if the printer is connected locally. > Because I've never used 8.2 before... or even any 8.x release, I naturally > went into the Handbook and looked for _current_ guidance on setting up > printers.=A0 Due to the "many standards" (correct: many deviations) in what printer manufacturers sell to their dear customers, there's hardly a "one size fits all" recipe. If you have a _standard_ printer (ASCII, PS or PCL), things are quite easy. If you haven't -- you usually have purchased a home entertaiment ink pee sheet feeder egg-laying wool-milk-sow -- you need a more conplex solution. > Most of that information was quite helpful, right up to the point > where it started discussing CUPS. >=20 > The bottom line is that CUPS is sophisticated, which is to say complex and > convoluted.=A0 In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things, not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I feel to say it. > If you are impatient, then setting up CUPS properly is both > tedious and time consuming.=A0 It is, I've tried it many times, and meanwhile I consider writing my own "printer filters" the easier task! > Of course, it _is_ essential that you properly > set up CUPS if you are setting up a _server_ that multiple people will us= e, > but for a personal workstation, the entire queueing structure is just ove= rkill, > in my opinion. Setting up printer server functionality without CUPS is very easy, given the fact that you actually bought a real printer. :-) > More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow.=A0 There= 's a > loooooooong pause after I queue something for printing until something ac= tually > comes out of the printer.=A0 Hmmm... In my experience, it depends on what you input to the CUPS queue. Things like pictures may take a while for rasterization and PS translation, other things are out on paper much faster. I have to say that I'm using an Ethernet-connected Laserjet 4000d here. > Maybe that's my fault, e.g. because I didn't con- > figure CUPS correctly, and maybe it isn't.=A0 I don't know, and actually,= I > don't want to know, because I found a way to nicely print stuff that just > bypasses CUPS entirely.=A0 And it works for me, so I am a happy camper. Isn't that what everyone wants? BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp which works with system lp* tools, but has hardcoded queries to "lpstat" (a CUPS program that doesn't exist or "cannot connect to the server"). The upcoming question here is: WHY??? > I just wanted to share what I did. >=20 > In a nutshell, I moved/renamed /usr/bin/lpr to /usr/bin/lpr- and replaced > it with this trivial script: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > #!/bin/sh >=20 > printer=3D'/dev/ulpt0' >=20 > if [ $# =3D 0 ]; then > =A0 cat | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer > else > =A0 for arg in $* ; do > =A0 =A0 cat $arg | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer > =A0 done > fi > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Yes, this is how many printer filters work. Collections like apsfilter (that work WITH the system lp* tools, unlike CUPS!) bring gs-based printer filters for PS, PCL and many other devices. % cat /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh=20 #!/bin/sh printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=3Da4 -r600x600 \ -sDEVICE=3Dljet4d -dDuplex=3Dtrue \ -sOutputFile=3D- - && exit 0 exit 2 This is one of my gs-based printer filters (derived from apsfilter, no pretty-printing here, just PS to PCL translation, and hooked into the /etc/printcap mechanism). Yes, /etc/printcap. That's the mechanism for connecting printer filters with actual printer devices. Laserjet|ljet4d;r=3D600x600;q=3Dhigh;c=3Dfull;p=3Da4;m=3Dauto:\ :rm=3D192.168.100.100:\ :rp=3Draw:\ :lp=3D:\ :if=3D/opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh:\ :sd=3D/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet:\ :lf=3D/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/log:\ :af=3D/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: You could remove the rm=3D setting and put the printer device (like /dev/lpt0) into the lp=3D setting for a parallel-connected printer. Of course, you can _now_ use the luxury printer queue tools of the lp* toolset, like lpq, lpr and lprm. > My Laserjet 3015 used to be hooked up via a good old fashioned bulky "cen= tronix" > parallel cable, but I thought that I ought to finally get myself into this > century, so I got a new USB 2.0 cable for it just the other day, and now = it's > name is "/dev/ulpt0" rather than "/dev/lpt0" as before. Well, even if Centronics is considered dinosaur-like, it _never_ failed on me, unlike the many "modern" things. :-) > As you can see, the script above just takes whatever filnames are given on > the cmmand line and cats them one-by-one through psif and then the output > from that gets sent straight to /dev/ulpt0. What port or package is psif part of? > One little snag though... as I found out, it doesn't matter if you try to > set the SUID bit on this script and make it owned by root.=A0 Nowadays sh= ell > scripts simply do not do SUID anymore.=A0 The only reason that's even sig= nifi- > cant is that you'll probably want to be able to print while logged in as > any old user, and in order to make that work with this scheme, you have t= o do: >=20 > =A0 chmod 0666 /dev/ulpt0 >=20 > so that any user can write to the printer device file. You could use /etc/devfs.conf for that, either by defining the setting there, or work with group permissions (e. g. add a group "usbprint", give +rw of the device file to that group, and make your username member of that group). > I only fiddled a couple of other small things in order to make this all w= ork. > Firstly, I created my own versions of /usr/local/libexec/psif-text and al= so > /usr/local/libexec/psif-ps.=A0 Here they are: >=20 > /usr/local/libexec/psif-text: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > #! /bin/sh >=20 > /usr/local/bin/textps -c 10 -l 60 -m 38 -t 46 && printf "\004" && exit 0 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >=20 > /usr/local/libexec/psif-ps: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > #! /bin/sh >=20 > /bin/cat && printf "\004" && exit 0 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >=20 > The parameters for textps that I have in my psif-text file were just some > parameters that I slapped together after running a few tests to see what > values created output that looked good to me.=A0 Your milage may vary. Interesting inspiration! > After I set up all of the above stuff, I noticed that my attempts to use = the > "lpr" command to print things from non-root user accounts was still resul= ting > in very long delays before anything would print.=A0 It took me some head = scratch- > ing but I finally found the problem.=A0 In a nutshell, the problems was t= hat > at one point while I was trying to get this all going, I did in fact inst= all > the CUPS package (and friends).=A0 As I learned, when you do this you get= the > following _different_ version of "lpr" installed in a place where normal = user > accounts are likely to see it in their $PATH first: >=20 > =A0 /usr/local/bin/lpr >=20 > Yikes!=A0 So we've got /usr/bin/lpr _and_ /usr/local/bin/lpr.=A0 There's even a configuration option to CUPS that lets you overwrite the _system_ lp* tools. :-) > I'm sure that at > some point, somebody thought that it was a good idea to have two radically > different programs in two different directories and give them both the sa= me > name.=A0 CUPS also has program names that are derived from LPR's competitor. The "lpstat" command is such an example, and I think "lpadmin" also is. > Maybe there actually is some good reason for that, but it wasn't > helping me any, so I just did: >=20 > =A0 cd /usr/local/bin > =A0 mv lpr{,-} > =A0 ln -s /usr/bin/lpr ./lpr >=20 > That's all. >=20 > Now I can print either Postscript or plain text files to my LaserJet, from > both root and non-root accounts, and the printed output starts coming out > of the printer within just a second or two every time.=A0 No queueing, no > fooling around, just push that document out lickety-split. Very nice, I think I can benefit from your experience to finally get rid of CUPS -- really, who _needs_ that to make a standard PS printer work?! > I'm sure that someone will tell me now that there are a zillion reasons > why I should not have done any of this, and that I just don't understand > this or that, or the fine technical reasons why CUPS is a wonderful tool > and why I should be using it.=A0 But this works for me, and I saved a lot > of time by NOT having to learn all of the ins-and-outs of using CUPS or, > more importantly, configuring it.=A0 (I'm sure its a fine package, but I = have > other things that I need to be studying right now.) Yes, maybe it's fine (or even the _only_ solution) if you have some ink-pee device, but for a real printer, you should not be forced to jump through hoops like what CUPS requires you to. In comparison to CUPS, the apsfilter configuration is a day in the park! :-) > The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up > a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what > will happen if I ever try to print something when something else is > currently printing.=A0 (I did something similar to what I've described > above, but still rather different, back on my old 7.0-RELEASE system, > and I think that there, if the printer was already busy and I went to > print something else, then that second print attempt would just error > out right away.=A0 Depends on how the printer receives data. If two "streams of PS" get merged, you'll get unexpected surprising results. :-) > Obviously, if you want to stack up a whole set of > documents for printing and then go out for lunch while they all print, > my cheap-man's approach to setiing up a printer, as described here, will > fail to give you the advantages of a real spooling/queueing system.=A0 But > given that I personally rarely need to do that, for me it is pretty much > of a non-issue.) No, you just have to make sure that you use the system's queueing mechanism, i. e. /etc/printcap plus lp* toolset. This will handle all print requests and process them one after the other. Your printer filter will be addressed in a "serial way", leading to correct PS "streams" for each job. > That's all folks.=A0 I hope this all may be of some help to somebody. At least for me, yes. Thanks! > I'm not persuaded that giving these both the same name was really all that > good a choice, from a user-interace/human-factors perspective.=A0 On one hand, CUPS wanted to stay with the default names for printing stuff, on the other hand, they used names from "the other system", so a conglomerate of both worlds did emerge. The more programs, environments and application sets do hardcode calls to CUPS for printing stuff (instead of just piping it to whatever is present, be it BSD's lpr, CUPS, or a home-made filter mechanism), the more problems will occur when you decide _not_ to use CUPS. It will then become mandatory at some point, even if you intendedly state that you don't need it. > But I suppose > that it is far too late to do anything about those choices now.=A0 Too mu= ch > other stuff has probably already been built assuming that things are this= way. Yes, and I'm afraid there will be more and more of such stuff, due to low-quality "rapid application development" and the exxagerated use of libraries of layers of abstraction of abstraction of layers of libraries of layers of interfaces of abstractions of libraries... you get the idea. :-) Oops, at this point I see that I malquoted or malreplied. Sorry for that. :-) > Kudos for your persistence and for sharing this experience > with us. I too found CUPS a big waste of time for my uses. Just try to add a parallel dotmatrix printer that's currently not connected to your system. I think you'll see that this still is impossible with CUPS. :-) > I have two networked laser printers. One of them is an HP 4 > (talk about your old workhorses) with a JetDirect card. Oh you're lucky. My LJ 4 (more than 15 years old, still in perfectly working state) is parallel-only. And _still_ does a good job. > That of course is self explanatory. But the other is a > Brother HL2040 laserjet which used to run on a parallel > cable but I converted it over to USB about a year ago with > the help of the nice folks in this mailing list. This > printer is driven by a FreeBSD-8.2-STABLE server using > lpd and a relatively simple filter which envokes > ghostscript to convert the PS files it receives into > the correct format. The driver is part of ghostscript's > library and it all works well. Yes, gs comes with many converters, so it's like CUPS without web interface and without own printer spooler, just as it should be. :-) > When I setup a M$ windows client I install a simple PS > printer (there are many of them available in a standard > Windows machine). I do have to add Unix Printing Features > on the M$ clients and setup an lpr port but that again > is built-in and you don't even need the original OEM CD > to do this. Some network printers even have their own printer spooler included, so you just have to address them per IP and with PS data from any "Windows" PC. > The print jobs come out quickly and in all the years I've > been using it I never have problems. As it should be - and has been 10, 20 years ago with all that "old-fashioned" stuff. :-) > I'm sure there are many justifications for CUPS but so > far I haven't needed it.=20 As I said, it seems to be mandatory for "modern" USB driven stuff. Still I have to admit that I'm confused by the many parts that may be involved in getting a "simple" printer working. On one hand, there's CUPS, oh and let's forget about the system lp* tools for now. Then, there's Gutenprint. What's the difference? And then there's Foomatic. And zjs. And PPD. And hpijs. What exactly are these? Why is a functionality like printing distributed across so many different things? How about _one_ printing system with "plug-ins" intended for classes, like "PS printers" (no stuff needed), "PCL printers", "dotmatrix and daisywheel", "inkpee", and finally "inkpee with scanner and fax and music box". And maybe finally a "make your own filter" module. I'm not sure if it already exists. I just fear someone will tell me that CUPS is supposed to be exactly that. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 15:32:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9AE1065670 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from spock-ext.obspm.fr (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEB38FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by spock-ext.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id p9RFWKpG003214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:32:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:32:20 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: rockys@dataonstorage.com Message-ID: <20111027153220.GG68936@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20111019141443.GQ4592@pcjas.obspm.fr> <001301cc8ecf$3f8447f0$be8cd7d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <001301cc8ecf$3f8447f0$be8cd7d0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.4 (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:32:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at spock-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, 'Dave Pooser' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Dell with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:32:51 -0000 Le 19/10/2011 à 19:23:26-0700, Rocky Shek a écrit Hi. Thanks for this information. > I also recommend LSI 9200-8E or new 9205-8E with the IT firmware based on > past experience Do you known if the LSI-9205-8E HBA or the LSI-9202-16E HBA work under FreBSD 9.0 ? Best regards. Regards. -- Albert SHIH DIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: jeu 27 oct 2011 17:20:11 CEST From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 16:08:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A571106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53D18FC0C for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP253 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:08:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.105.57] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.105.57]) by BLU0-SMTP253.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:08:31 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3STtRy3jSrz2CG47 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:08:30 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2011 16:08:31.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC1B0540:01CC94C2] Subject: Status of linuxprinting.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:08:34 -0000 Does anyone know if this site: is down permanently? I has been off line for several weeks now. The friendly message greets a visitor to that site: ******************************************************************* * This site is down for maintenance. We will be restoring service * * shortly. Thank you for your patience. * * * * The Linux Foundation * ******************************************************************* That message has been in place for quite some time now. I was hoping to find a specific printer driver there. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 16:17:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A184106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498268FC0A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfo13 with SMTP id fo13so4044292vcb.13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.117.79 with SMTP id p15mr1069705vcq.119.1319732275314; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.194.194 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.183.204] In-Reply-To: <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Bill Tillman , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:17:56 -0000 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon wrote: > BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications > today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default > system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp > which works with system lp* tools, but has hardcoded > queries to "lpstat" (a CUPS program that doesn't exist > or "cannot connect to the server"). The upcoming question > here is: WHY??? (...) > CUPS also has program names that are derived from LPR's > competitor. The "lpstat" command is such an example, and > I think "lpadmin" also is. lpstat and lpadmin are standard SysV tools for printing. They existed LONG before CUPS: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/print/sol_lp1.html Please note that there are two distinct toolsets for (traditional) UNIX printing: * lpr tools for BSD printing * lp tools for SysV printing Please don't call the BSD lpr toolset "lp tools", that's pretty confusing to us old-gen sysadmins. ;-) Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 16:28:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7931065670 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE968FC12 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3683124747; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:28:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9RGSiKS005827; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:28:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:28:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "C. P. Ghost" Message-Id: <20111027182844.f5a9b541.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:28:47 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:55 +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications > > today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default > > system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp > > which works with system lp* tools, but has hardcoded > > queries to "lpstat" (a CUPS program that doesn't exist > > or "cannot connect to the server"). The upcoming question > > here is: WHY??? > > (...) > > > CUPS also has program names that are derived from LPR's > > competitor. The "lpstat" command is such an example, and > > I think "lpadmin" also is. > > lpstat and lpadmin are standard SysV tools for printing. Ah, thanks for reminding me to that fact. As I said, I knew they came from "another system" which was different from BSD's lpr / lpd / lpq / lprm tools. > They existed LONG before CUPS: > > http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/print/sol_lp1.html > > Please note that there are two distinct toolsets for (traditional) > UNIX printing: > * lpr tools for BSD printing > * lp tools for SysV printing > Please don't call the BSD lpr toolset "lp tools", that's pretty > confusing to us old-gen sysadmins. ;-) I'll keep that in mind, thanks, and I hope to also grow old as a sysadmin so I get educated properly to use the correct terminology. :-) toolsets = { lp /* System V */ lpr /* BSD */ CUPS /* the future, the bright and happy future! */ } -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 16:41:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106DA1065672 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2A58FC14 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9RGfkuB004191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p9RGfkuB004191 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1319733706; bh=KPrfHyVTb9Y1zUAew9OyBGj0rRvD34FvXEXWKcekUy0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=cDpVCRgGPK08hHnh3/AuHoQtXIPXEASpO2KH3onPJuTVC2qM0SIuKKAddm1FcH/kx bMlAqpU3q6pTUa3D8OJGfr3ZFpGfqjKYSFGz374wxEi7F1HOOzz9nX+Y/BfFq3ezKQ 8QSInDdwBq63Hy173ZU4nlC8CCtFE+/Lo58lAWlg= Message-ID: <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig16F9BF66AB34C7FC629EC527" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Bill Tillman , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:41:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig16F9BF66AB34C7FC629EC527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: > In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things, > not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I > feel to say it. Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got it to work properly under FreeBSD. (Mostly that was because I had the system lpr working just fine on my old FBSD machine connected to the printer using a parallel port. Newer hardware doesn't even have a parallel port now.) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig16F9BF66AB34C7FC629EC527 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6picoACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxIugCfVTFcBuq77VvAo9Cx/s+4U6LJ s74AnjecCHSFu2mU3oKwQUxgzfkBGSvV =A9fx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig16F9BF66AB34C7FC629EC527-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 17:00:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79071065675 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B4B8FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92ABF1EB33; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9RH0d7b006010; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:00:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:00:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Seaman Message-Id: <20111027190039.1c2e1ef0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:00:40 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: > > In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things, > > not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I > > feel to say it. > > Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X > thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just > plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got > it to work properly under FreeBSD. (Mostly that was because I had the > system lpr working just fine on my old FBSD machine connected to the > printer using a parallel port. Newer hardware doesn't even have a > parallel port now.) If I remember correctly, CUPS started as a Linux project and was then incorporated into Mac OS X. Yes, no problems there, I've seen it work smoothly as intended, but not on FreeBSD so far. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 17:20:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063B1106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7048FC12 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.86.150] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJTdP-0003xx-Ii; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:20:55 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9RHKxq1002426; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:20:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p9RHKw3w002425; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:20:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:20:58 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20111027172057.GA2401@tinyCurrent> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027190039.1c2e1ef0.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20111027190039.1c2e1ef0.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.86.150 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:20:59 -0000 El día Thursday, October 27, 2011 a las 07:00:39PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: > > Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X > > thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just > > plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got > > it to work properly under FreeBSD. (Mostly that was because I had the > > system lpr working just fine on my old FBSD machine connected to the > > printer using a parallel port. Newer hardware doesn't even have a > > parallel port now.) > > If I remember correctly, CUPS started as a Linux project > and was then incorporated into Mac OS X. Yes, no problems > there, I've seen it work smoothly as intended, but not > on FreeBSD so far. :-) CUPS 1.4.3 is just working fine for me on FreeBSD 9-CURRENT, SunOS and Linux SLES. You configure the (network) printers through the web interface, or with lpadmin(8) and you just print from cmd line with lpr(1), from KDE or Gnome apps. It allows also to print UTF-8 textfiles (rendered to Postscript with the correct glyphs on the flight) or has a PDF backend to create PDF printouts the 'normal' way (by printing them to a PDF printer) to the local file system. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 17:39:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEA01065673 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7BB8FC17 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so3821601ggn.13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.99.18 with SMTP id w18mr18049728ybb.28.1319737156924; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u16sm10563580anf.14.2011.10.27.10.39.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3STwSd4p2yz2CG47 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/3N57EtwnBYe88RgSwE1mmOt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:39:18 -0000 --Sig_/3N57EtwnBYe88RgSwE1mmOt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: > On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: > > In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things, > > not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I > > feel to say it. >=20 > Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS > X thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just > plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got > it to work properly under FreeBSD. (Mostly that was because I had the > system lpr working just fine on my old FBSD machine connected to the > printer using a parallel port. Newer hardware doesn't even have a > parallel port now.) Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never gotten printing up to that lever. While there are those who continually blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any other alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously proposed the creation of a department dedicated to the writing of drivers for non-windows based systems, a department that would therefore have a zero based projected cash flow, would be removed from office posthaste. Even the few companies that do write a limited set of drivers for the exceedingly fragmented *.nix community tend to stick with vanilla Linux and perhaps Debian. It took nVidia years (literally) to get FreeBSD to update their product to the point when nVidia could supply 64 bit drivers. I recently spoke with a representative from Brothers regarding securing a driver for one of their laser printers. He himself is a Linux man and said that he felt my pain. He also informed me that while it had been discussed from time to time, it was always felt that it would be a lose-lose situation. They do supply drivers for Linux and Debian but that is about it. He stated that it was felt that the cost of writing drivers for a widely fragmented community and then having to support said drivers would just not be financially feasible. Printing has come a long way from the "parallel port" configuration. Many now use wireless connections for instance. I love wireless printers myself. However, here again problems arise. FreeBSD supplies virtually no "N" protocol certified drivers which negates the effectiveness of an "N" protocol based wireless printer. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html --Sig_/3N57EtwnBYe88RgSwE1mmOt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOqZdBAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFvUEH/iAP7CP4rN6TzQcKK8+CwjmK fo4/0vdthdTPR6UZGtrutgObcGn7sqHgwrIvyFwIRoKgDuc6jy5TX1iI6QmbCnvZ XfXVab0rvB+E2wItCdgxgCAdHQ/2e0wpY56YAqB7wwlnrrFrSVVxzmWNHdkPIlE9 x5o+gmk8uIvM4Ax5cBI4l0uaO0bduxNMqpl9VKaBDqVju+DS055v5tBopOAsMNNH N8VxWX57Py+Qabavl7FcmQ8Cpt3lTE3wO2E0mAZVnMmt696GYUNsWjwy51dHJuOt psHwPPb/d6wwhfWaFxtLtYf78XpBkBMqccBAv8YaqxFlcmFz8jxCOMwr3e6VYWY= =WHmR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3N57EtwnBYe88RgSwE1mmOt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 17:57:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69D1106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF518FC1B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJUCr-0003Gq-Fu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:57:10 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:57:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:57:31 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111027175731.GD1058@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2Z2K0IlrPCVsbNpk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:57:36 -0000 --2Z2K0IlrPCVsbNpk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Ronald F. Guilmette on Thursday, 27 October 2011: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > #!/bin/sh >=20 > printer=3D'/dev/ulpt0' >=20 > if [ $# =3D 0 ]; then > cat | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer > else > for arg in $* ; do > cat $arg | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer > done > fi Not to be a pedant (okay, maybe I am), but you could eliminate the extraneous `cat` in both commands: #!/bin/sh printer=3D'/dev/ulpt0' if [ $# =3D 0 ]; then /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer else for arg in $* ; do /usr/local/libexec/psif < $arg > $printer done fi Nice work, though! --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --2Z2K0IlrPCVsbNpk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOqZuLAAoJEIpckszW26+RQQsH/RlHBKfxvDzKL1Nc2MUFppzz uKc1NVfEbQjeKanGpmJ5yyILpD8ATtM1Jfv62/tt9Wk1AndjDCxKmh/Ik2jXr2IV pWBKVckZStun0QoLgmK3XOuUFU/lRylBLWaaZ8MdC00sZJtQWYHICpvEAYJktEVC nTwIdBbPCT9oGGj0E3gn2oAWWcDLinAhf3b/ZTiGZXCSLqnpFfrxewIkoLAL8UA4 A8HvsROTGZfE9HNIiYAvh8WsipvJuUC2TpSbIvqORV3c4EbJUKVvHwdeamt7W5bW ws5w0FDjRAfCMIXdcP2Vg3JWwrjITc94bh0rnvrY0aKBOxHnCEjV1fTOWQDokZ0= =aLxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2Z2K0IlrPCVsbNpk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 18:00:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF47106566C for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (eccles.ee.ryerson.ca [141.117.1.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F25B8FC14 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.ee.ryerson.ca (eccles [172.16.1.2]) by eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9RHYn0C037799; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from 206.108.127.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dmagda) by webmail.ee.ryerson.ca with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111027153220.GG68936@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20111019141443.GQ4592@pcjas.obspm.fr> <001301cc8ecf$3f8447f0$be8cd7d0$@com> <20111027153220.GG68936@pcjas.obspm.fr> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:34:50 -0400 From: "David Magda" To: "Albert Shih" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Dell with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:00:40 -0000 On Thu, October 27, 2011 11:32, Albert Shih wrote: >> I also recommend LSI 9200-8E or new 9205-8E with the IT firmware based >> on past experience > > Do you known if the LSI-9205-8E HBA or the LSI-9202-16E HBA work under > FreBSD 9.0 ? Check the man page for mpt(4): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mpt&manpath=FreeBSD+9-current http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mpt&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE Or LSI's site: http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9205-8e.aspx http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9202-16e.aspx Do you know how to use a search engine? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 18:16:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F281065675 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99B58FC0A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:16:24 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LTQ0027RLEZF800@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-10-27_06:2011-10-27, 2011-10-27, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1110270197 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:16:11 -0700 Message-id: <3A137268-A771-432A-814C-E7B8CA491F69@mac.com> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:16:25 -0000 On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Jerry wrote: > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never > gotten printing up to that lever. Of course Unix has had functional printing; the issue is mostly dumb printers which can't accept PostScript or at least PCL, and need an OS-specific driver to rasterize for the device. A secondary problem is X11's imaging model with the dichotomy between on-screen imaging and print imaging. For examples of Unix printing done right, look back to NEXTSTEP twenty years ago, using Display Postscript and Pantone colorimetry to provide true WYSIWYG; also, Sun's NEWS and OpenWindows also had the DPS extension to X. Most of that technology is still around under MacOS X, although DPS has largely been replaced by a PDF imaging model instead. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 19:11:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AF0106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805E08FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D7A3CEB9 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9RJBWet006421 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111027211132.78d4d1e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:11:35 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. > The *nix community has never > gotten printing up to that lever. It _had_, past tense. :-) > While there are those who continually > blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any other > alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously proposed the > creation of a department dedicated to the writing of drivers for > non-windows based systems, a department that would therefore have a zero > based projected cash flow, would be removed from office posthaste. Fully agree, but if established standards would have been truly adopted by the manufactueres for their products, there would be no need to develop any drivers. One standard interface could address all printer functionality, and maybe even more, such as scanning or faxing functionalities quite common in the "egg-laying wool-milk-sows" we see on the consumer markets. Sadly, "the one standard" doesn't seem to exist, and manufacturers are not willing to discuss one. Of course, such a standard would have to be free and open, so any OS could implement it. There's a reason for that: Companies that develop printers want money. They need to continuously sell printers, and there's an ongoing "renewal" of hardware and software, e. g. new printer requires new OS, new OS requires new printer. This is done by planned obsolescense. Just imagine you had a printer that would work with any OS. First of all, you wouldn't buy a "Windows", so the deal between the manufacturer and MICROS~1 would break: "We make our devices for your 'Windows', you tell us about your interfaces, and we make a driver for your current product." You would be able to use your printer with a free OS. Furthermore, if this free OS got updated, you would continue using your printer because the new OS would also support it, unlike "Windows" that would not have support for the printer anymore, encouraging you to buy a new one. On the other hand, this business model benefits the development of new technology (financed by unit sales), and making technology cheaper to purchase. Downside here again: The cheaper printers become, the more paper is wasted for printing. Yes, I know the "paperless office" is a pure utopia, but I've seen things... scary things... Example: In a company I know emailing is quite new. When office A wants to send a document to office B per email, A prints the email message and faxes it to B, where it also gets printed (inkpee and laser faxes). After that, B checks for new messages and then prints the message he received. > Even the few companies that do write a limited set of drivers for the > exceedingly fragmented *.nix community tend to stick with vanilla Linux > and perhaps Debian. It took nVidia years (literally) to get FreeBSD to > update their product to the point when nVidia could supply 64 bit > drivers. Right, it simply doesn't pay in the first place to support that fragmented... can I say "target point"? It's more like a whole forrest of targets that's changing very often. :-) Really, I agree that the same business logic applies in driver support. As the success of free systems is not measured by unit sales, there is no such thing as "market share" for them. But market share decides about what manufacturers pay attention to. In the past, they were forced to support certain standards in order to get their devices sold. A printer that could not be addressed by standard Epson codes just wouldn't sell. Later on, PS was the only thing you could sell a printer. (The same applied to graphics cards which needed to support standardized command sets in order to work properly.) Today, this is not important anymore as individual drivers for specific "Windows" versions are the key to unit sales. This is of course a short-term decision, but finally most three-letter-superiors decide by quarterly numbers. This _may_ turn out to be contraproductive in the end. The "decision makers" just hope to have moved to a different position when this happens where they get a better wage for less responsibility. :-) > I recently spoke with a representative from Brothers regarding > securing a driver for one of their laser printers. He himself is a > Linux man and said that he felt my pain. He also informed me that while > it had been discussed from time to time, it was always felt that it > would be a lose-lose situation. They do supply drivers for Linux and > Debian but that is about it. He stated that it was felt that the cost > of writing drivers for a widely fragmented community and then having to > support said drivers would just not be financially feasible. Interesting. I always thought CUPS (which is common across the many Linusi, as well as standard in Mac OS X) would have a PPD plugin (or was it the Foomatic stuff? I can't properly tell...) that allows printer manufacturers to write drivers according to that documented interface, so there's no need to code hardare- or OS-specific things anymore, which, as you will surely agree, sounds ridiculously old-fashioned. Sorry, it _is_ like that. Direct control to hardware is so obsolete in a world where everyone is keen on using abstraction layers of libraries of interfaces of abstraction. So why not use that in the first place? Oh, again we arrive at the point where conforming to standards is bad for business... > Printing has come a long way from the "parallel port" configuration. > Many now use wireless connections for instance. I love wireless > printers myself. When you want to get rid of cabling, they are big help. However, there are settings where the use of any non-cabled hardware is prohibited due to security reasons. But this surely does not apply in home settings where security is traditionally regarded a no-topic. I have a wireless adapter for parallel, USB and networked printing myself, still it's not in use due to security reasons. :-) > However, here again problems arise. FreeBSD supplies > virtually no "N" protocol certified drivers which negates the > effectiveness of an "N" protocol based wireless printer. Yes, this problem exists. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 21:08:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DD5106564A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790848FC13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2027BDC34 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111027143609.60335.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <23529.1319749711@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:08:33 -0000 In message <20111027143609.60335.qmail@joyce.lan>, you wrote: >I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad >lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long >enough that I don't want to wait. I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john. Even with my direct-to-/dev/{u}lpt0 approach, if I needed to print a really big file, I would just start the print in one window and then minimize that one and continue on working in my other windows. I mean in what way would one need to "wait"? >>More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow. >>There's a loooooooong pause after I queue something for printing >>until something actually comes out of the printer. > >Yeah. I have a similar printer with a similar problem. I believe >that what's going on is that the current version of CUPS tells all the >clients to print to PDF, then for printers that don't handle PDF, >converts that to postcript using ghostscript which is very, very slow. Huh?? John are you saying that my documents, some of which *start out* as .PS files, are converted by CUPS to .PDF and thence (since I don't have any printers that speak PDF) the document is then converted *back* to Postscript for actual printing?? If so, I can sure see why the multiple pointless conversion would indeed take up a lot of time. >I think this is a bug. If it is, then I think it may be a long-standing one. I did something very like what I just described doing on FreeBSD 8.2 also back on my old FreeBSD 7.0 system which I first installed maybe three years of more ago. I can't really remember anymore if I did it primarily for speed reasons or because (as now) I just didn't want to have to go thru all fo the falderall of properly configuring CUPS, but I suspect it was both. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 21:12:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6913106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD768FC16 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A625BDC34 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: <23575.1319749979@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:13:00 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >... >> The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up >> a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what >> will happen if I ever try to print something when something else is >> currently printing. > >There's also the issue of printing large files, which will tie up the >command line until the printer has buffered them all... "Tie up the command line" ?? John Levine attempted to make the same point, and I'm still not really getting it. This is why we have X! I can have all of the "command lines" that I want, and I frequently do. I have at least 15 different xterm windows open as we speak, so I really don't see "tying up the command line" as a real issue. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 21:46:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B70106566C for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360758FC13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd8 with SMTP id 8so4063323gyd.13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.173.199 with SMTP id v47mr56234394yhl.11.1319751984834; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o50sm9460413yhl.9.2011.10.27.14.46.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SV1xp087Yz2CG47 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20111027211132.78d4d1e4.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> <20111027211132.78d4d1e4.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:46:27 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. > > > The *nix community has never > > gotten printing up to that lever. > > It _had_, past tense. :-) > > > While there are those who continually > > blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any > > other alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously proposed > > the creation of a department dedicated to the writing of drivers for > > non-windows based systems, a department that would therefore have a > > zero based projected cash flow, would be removed from office > > posthaste. > > Fully agree, but if established standards would have > been truly adopted by the manufactueres for their > products, there would be no need to develop any drivers. > One standard interface could address all printer > functionality, and maybe even more, such as scanning > or faxing functionalities quite common in the "egg-laying > wool-milk-sows" we see on the consumer markets. First of all let me say that I love standards; there are so many of them to choose from. Secondly, I seriously hope that never comes to pass. Once you lock yourself into one specific interface the ability to innovate has been removed. I cannot think of a worse possible scenario. Three million years ago a branch of man figured out that he could sharpen a stone and use it to cut with. A new standard was born. One million years later that same branch had not figured out that they could attach a short piece of wood to that stone thus creating a handle and a new tool. They died out obviously. A perfect example of what happens when you cannot adapt. Standards in some circumstances may have their place; however, when they lock you into a culture where you are unable to adapt to newer technology or where your ability to innovate has been squashed, then you too are doomed to oblivion. > Sadly, "the one standard" doesn't seem to exist, and > manufacturers are not willing to discuss one. Of course, > such a standard would have to be free and open, so any > OS could implement it. There you go putting restriction on how such an "standard" should be implemented. I have a better idea. Why doesn't the *nix/*BSD {pick any other letter combination that turns you on} agree to one uniform method of implementing printer drivers and then let the manufacturers implement it on their end. I have spoke to two company reps in the past year, one regarding printers, and both stated outright that the thought of writing and maintaining drivers on a multitude of platforms scares them to death. The problem is not with the manufacturers but rather with the fragmentation of the non-windows arena. I remember when "Hayes" ruled the modem world. The "Hayes command set" was the de facto standard. The along came U.S. Robotics and said, "Screw you Hayes and your friggin command set. We can do it faster and better without your crap." And, they did. The same can be said about Epson and their printer command set. Hell, the list goes on and on. Today, PS or PCL (there are strong supports on both sides of the aisle) might be king, but what about tomorrow. Locking yourself into any technology is suicide. Classical "Dinosaur Thinking" as it is referred to in the business world. You do know what happened to those creatures when they could not adapt don't you. The fact that companies do not directly support *BSD, etcetera is not news. The fact that FreeBSD does not support the technology that is available (does the phase "N Protocol ring a bell") is the problem that should be addressed. > There's a reason for that: Companies that develop > printers want money. They need to continuously sell > printers, and there's an ongoing "renewal" of hardware > and software, e. g. new printer requires new OS, new > OS requires new printer. This is done by planned > obsolescense. You can make that statement in regards to cars, airplanes, etcetera. It is just an empty sound bite. By the way, since the days of DOS, I have never purchased a printer that then required me to update my OS. > Just imagine you had a printer that would work with > any OS. First of all, you wouldn't buy a "Windows", > so the deal between the manufacturer and MICROS~1 > would break: "We make our devices for your 'Windows', > you tell us about your interfaces, and we make a > driver for your current product." You would be able > to use your printer with a free OS. Furthermore, > if this free OS got updated, you would continue > using your printer because the new OS would also > support it, unlike "Windows" that would not have > support for the printer anymore, encouraging you > to buy a new one. I have the ability to use a driver from Win95 up to XP, and in a few case even Vista. On the other hand, updating FreeBSD to a new major version number and in the case of the nVidia display driver even a minor number, causes me to force a rebuild of the system. Just for clarification, a minor system update with nVidia only causes me to have to rebuild that port. The same exists also for at least LSOF. There may be more however. At some point though support for anything will cease, unless you prefer to live in the dinosaur age. > On the other hand, this business model benefits the > development of new technology (financed by unit > sales), and making technology cheaper to purchase. Business 101 I know dozens of college students that use inexpensive ink-jets printers because the are: 1) inexpensive 2) easy to install Trying to get an ink-jet printer to work on FreeBSD can be a whole new experience in frustration. The manufacturers created a product to fit a particular niche in the market place. The fact that FreeBSD cannot accommodate that is a problem. I just spent several hours trying to convert a linux printer driver to work on FreeBSD. Of course, both platforms use a different hierarchy which then requires me to attempt to manually modify the files to point to the right location, etcetera. I still have not gotten it to work. This is with only one driver on one PC. I can easily see why any manufacturer would not want to be bothered with this bullshit. Microsoft has used the same basic method for the installation of printer drivers since Win95. However, you cannot even get Linux/*BSD, etcetera to agree on a common, uniform hierarchy for and method of implementing printer drivers. I couldn't care less if they used CUPS. LPR or whatever just as long as they get a unified method in place. If such a system were in place, there would be no problem in getting developers to write the necessary drivers. Hell, if they did it right they could use the Windows drivers. However, we both know that they (the OS developers) would rather bite off their nose than do that out of pure spite. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 22:09:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44E11065672 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09A38FC0C for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:09:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=IwDXdnGqLLS6edjpX1t0rDnv0Y8eGbKSMzaIWrC2eq8=; b=szmWLQJCRR6w1V14nnai25a90EJkweRXWQDvxMsRSHU8MngFOkD4BrPUkzQvDLX3hpFJUMZaMLmuBKQYkEiDoJtwsaamFZyJhOkwhzoA6kqPP1hPabyGcNNQ7wpqsED7; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RJY8B-00066R-Ck for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:09:00 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1319753333-49870-49869/5/28; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:08:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:08:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.52 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:09:01 -0000 You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go home and do the same with my personal laser. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 22:18:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5CA106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0274ed8c24=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E02A8FC15 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63912 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 22:18:56 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 22:18:56 -0000 Date: 27 Oct 2011 22:18:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20111027221834.97213.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <23529.1319749711@tristatelogic.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:18:58 -0000 >>I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad >>lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long >>enough that I don't want to wait. > >I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john. $ lpr foo $ lpr bar $ lpr baz It will print the three files in a row, starting each when the previous one is done. Like, you know, a print queue. >John are you saying that my documents, some of which *start out* as >.PS files, are converted by CUPS to .PDF and thence (since I don't >have any printers that speak PDF) the document is then converted >*back* to Postscript for actual printing?? Seems that way, based on a little poking around. If I use something like evince, I think it will do whatever CUPS tells it to do. If I use the basic CUPS lpr command to print a .ps file, that's fast since there's nothing smart enough to do something stupid. >>I think this is a bug. > >If it is, then I think it may be a long-standing one. > >I did something very like what I just described doing on FreeBSD 8.2 also >back on my old FreeBSD 7.0 system which I first installed maybe three years >of more ago. My recollection is that CUPS on FBSD 7 printed a lot faster, although it also may have something to do with the fact that I used to use a USB to parallel thing, and since then I scored a print server card on ebay for about $15 and print over the network. (There are other computers on the network that other people print from, so this is an overall win.) R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 22:52:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA84106566B for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238388FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9FB3CDBC for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9RMqn7C008195 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20111028005249.5977ec0c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> <20111027211132.78d4d1e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:52:52 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. > > > > > The *nix community has never > > > gotten printing up to that lever. > > > > It _had_, past tense. :-) > > > > > While there are those who continually > > > blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any > > > other alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously proposed > > > the creation of a department dedicated to the writing of drivers for > > > non-windows based systems, a department that would therefore have a > > > zero based projected cash flow, would be removed from office > > > posthaste. > > > > Fully agree, but if established standards would have > > been truly adopted by the manufactueres for their > > products, there would be no need to develop any drivers. > > One standard interface could address all printer > > functionality, and maybe even more, such as scanning > > or faxing functionalities quite common in the "egg-laying > > wool-milk-sows" we see on the consumer markets. > > First of all let me say that I love standards; there are so many of > them to choose from. I _knew_ you would bring that statement. :-) > Secondly, I seriously hope that never comes to pass. Once you lock > yourself into one specific interface the ability to innovate has been > removed. I cannot think of a worse possible scenario. Yes, this is a common problem with standards that are narrow enough to _prohibit_ innovations, instead of providing help for them. Standards like bus architecture and cabling are the reason why many new products have been developed in the past, bursting the margins of what those standards provided. Just think about the transition of buses where GPU hardware plugs in. Still we do _not_ see a situation where every GPU manufacturer requires its own expansion slot. Other standards come from the media industry. Again, selling items is the key here. If each publisher would have used his own format to distribute music or movies, what a mess it would be. "No, you can't play a Warner movie on a Sony player, you need a Samsung player of 2008 or 2009 to play it. The 2010 version cannot be used anymore, as they switched to a new innovative format." In such an imaginary case, it would be nonsense to speak of standards. Standards are a form of consensus among many parties. Sadly, some standards are seen as "the worst common solution" in some fields, especially from a technical point of view. Still they are used because they just work. They have _proven_ to be reliable - this is something new technology CAN'T simply because it's too new. It's comparable to claim that a pharmacy product doesn't have any long-term effects right after introducing it to the market! > Three million years ago a branch of man figured out that he could > sharpen a stone and use it to cut with. A new standard was born. One > million years later that same branch had not figured out that they could > attach a short piece of wood to that stone thus creating a handle and a > new tool. They died out obviously. A perfect example of what happens > when you cannot adapt. Adoption is the strength of the week. :-) > Standards in some circumstances may have their place; however, when > they lock you into a culture where you are unable to adapt to newer > technology or where your ability to innovate has been squashed, then you > too are doomed to oblivion. Fully agree - and if you are honest, it's the same thing with proprietary products that live under the reign of planned obsolescense. They are defined to work under specific circumstances for a finite time that the manufacturer sets up implicitely. This means you have to say goodbye to a technology that exactly fits your needs, but its manufacturer wants to sell you something new that _maybe_ fits your needs, _maybe_ not, or with increased work or time (to _make_ it work _again_). Standards are the key to introduce new products. Even in the realm of innovation, the typical question of customers is: "Can I use it with...?", and that is also the reason why there's still so much legacy technology around. Just think about a quite popular 10 year old "Windows" that's still in wide use, even though it's obsolete since its introduction. Adoption? Innovation? Improvement? No thanks, we use what we know. > > Sadly, "the one standard" doesn't seem to exist, and > > manufacturers are not willing to discuss one. Of course, > > such a standard would have to be free and open, so any > > OS could implement it. > > There you go putting restriction on how such an "standard" should be > implemented. Yes. In my opinion, this is a requirement to be provided on a free market. Or people wouldn't have learned anything from the big fails of history. > I have a better idea. Why doesn't the *nix/*BSD {pick any > other letter combination that turns you on} agree to one uniform method > of implementing printer drivers and then let the manufacturers > implement it on their end. I would _LOVE_ that to happen! You can't imagine how often I'm claiming that the UNIX and Linux world should be the first one to introduce a really universal interface where hardware developers could simply plug into, and then write their drivers, open source or not (it's their decision). Stable ABI and API are mandatory here. On the other hand, such a stable interface could also be seen as limited. "It doesn't have the feature XY we want for our driver" could be a typical claim. Really, I always did assume that some part of CUPS (or Gutenprint, Foomatic, choose one, I've not fully understood what those exactly are, I admit) _is_ that uniformed method you're talking about. > I have spoke to two company reps in the > past year, one regarding printers, and both stated outright that the > thought of writing and maintaining drivers on a multitude of platforms > scares them to death. The problem is not with the manufacturers but > rather with the fragmentation of the non-windows arena. Even the "Windows" land is fragmented, as there are so many of them with incompatible infrastructures, leading to obsolescense because a driver of version X doesn't work anymore on version Y, and the printer manufacturer did decide not to support version Y. According to market share, UNIX and Linux are not important enogh on the main market, which is the home consumer market. This might chance when more and more "deviants" walk out of "Windows" land and move to Linux. Still "the Linux" is not a target, as you correctly pointed out. The "problem" with the manufactuers, as I explained, is that they think in unit sales. The majority decides here, or let's say the percentage of market share. It is that simple, and even understandable from a financial point of view. Units can be produced cheaper, so more units are sold, and the investition for keeping the drivers for _one_ version of "Windows" seem to justify it. > I remember when "Hayes" ruled the modem world. The "Hayes command set" > was the de facto standard. The along came U.S. Robotics and said, "Screw > you Hayes and your friggin command set. We can do it faster and better > without your crap." And, they did. The same can be said about Epson and > their printer command set. Hell, the list goes on and on. Today, PS or > PCL (there are strong supports on both sides of the aisle) might be > king, but what about tomorrow. Yes, that's what I'm also thinking of. It's not hust a transition in protocols or languages, but also in hardware, in cables and connectors, in form factors and slot sizes. > Locking yourself into any technology is > suicide. The term "vendor lock-in" appears in this relation. It's as dangerous and expensive as _any_ lock-in. As soon as your own business is blocked because a key technology isn't supported anymore, you're out of business. > Classical "Dinosaur Thinking" as it is referred to in the > business world. You may refer to IBM as a living dinoraur. I'm sure you know that essential (!) infrastructures, hardware and programs are run on OS/360 derived systems. They date back more than 40 years, and they are closed source. Still there is a massive backup with money to keep that technology alive and IN USE. Also see the AS/400 derived systems, same thing. This means: With enough money, you can keep any technology running, be it superior or inferior, intelligent or stupid, efficient or consuming. (You can easily conclude WHERE such dinosaur-like technology is in use: Yes, in fields where money doesn't matter, i. e. governmental installations and other areas funded from public money or big corporations that see a SHIFT in their technology as even more expensive than keeping their dinosaurs on artificial life support.) > You do know what happened to those creatures when they > could not adapt don't you. They live in museums where people pay money to see them. :-) > The fact that companies do not directly support *BSD, etcetera is not > news. The fact that FreeBSD does not support the technology that is > available (does the phase "N Protocol ring a bell") is the problem that > should be addressed. Yes, it should. I just think it's again a problem (or a fact) of financial backup on BSD's side. Here the fact applies that BSD isn't measured in unit sales (and therefore not in market share), so it's considered fully unimportant, even non-existent. > > There's a reason for that: Companies that develop > > printers want money. They need to continuously sell > > printers, and there's an ongoing "renewal" of hardware > > and software, e. g. new printer requires new OS, new > > OS requires new printer. This is done by planned > > obsolescense. > > You can make that statement in regards to cars, airplanes, etcetera. It > is just an empty sound bite. By the way, since the days of DOS, I have > never purchased a printer that then required me to update my OS. Usually the printer version X doesn't require it, but the printer version X+1 does. It's often "the next thing" that reaches the border of what's possible with the current installation. I've seen companies moving complete infrastructures to the garbage dump because one "key feature" wasn't supported, and therefore everything was bought new. The "rotation time of hardware" depends on many factors. To name one example: A small company has been using a set of card readers. Then a new appliance was introduced to the company, but this one, the "key technology", did not work with the established card readers anymore. The "next thing" in the product line of card readers didn't have support for their current "Windows", so they had to buy a fleet of new PCs to run a newer (today also outdated) "Windows" in order to fully activate the "key technology". Just maybe... if they had purchased a different product for their "key technology" that did work nicely with the established equipment, they could have saved lots of money - assumed of course that a competitor would offer such a product on the market. > I have the ability to use a driver from Win95 up to XP, and in a few > case even Vista. Depends on the hardware and the driver. As I said, I've seen many contrairy examples. > On the other hand, updating FreeBSD to a new major > version number and in the case of the nVidia display driver even a > minor number, causes me to force a rebuild of the system. Just for > clarification, a minor system update with nVidia only causes me to have > to rebuild that port. The same exists also for at least LSOF. There may > be more however. Since the introduction of binary updates, this shouldn't be a problem. Even on our today's plentycore processors with tenmelonhundred gigahertz and tons of GB RAM this should be a simple task. In my opinion, this is far easier and more comfortable than some... alternatives. There's always the option _not_ to update, as it is also very common in "Windows" land. Just keep what you have, and never touch a running system. However, introducing _new_ hardware to such a system can lead to problems. I'm typically encountering this with home consumer products in the printing, scanning and multimedia sector, and of course very often in wireless. Then I remember how easy the use of a SCSI scanner was. Put in controller card, load ahc module, start xscanimage. No drivers, no fiddling with permissions, no compiling, not tons of ports to install - just works. > At some point though support for anything will cease, unless you prefer > to live in the dinosaur age. Again, this _highly_ depends. There are many customers who do not intend to "advance" as industry wants them to. They do a specific set of actions and establish a toolset that exactly does that. In their opinion, they want to use that toolset until they will be retired. And there are also examples where handcrafters use tools they got from their father, and the father got them from his father and so on. There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-) > > On the other hand, this business model benefits the > > development of new technology (financed by unit > > sales), and making technology cheaper to purchase. > > Business 101 > > I know dozens of college students that use inexpensive ink-jets > printers because the are: > > 1) inexpensive > 2) easy to install Inexpensive is a typical short-term view. The printer is cheap, as it doesn't contain much electronics (as there is no "intelligency" for turning data into inkhead movements, this is done by the PC, the printer just needs to count page loads to determine when it's supposed to be BROKEN), but the ink may be more expensive than the printer. Recently seen: Printer for 25 Euro, cartridges (ink reservoir plus printing head) 20 Euro + 30 Euro. Oh, and regarding printing: The Jevons paradox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox Just BECAUSE it's so inexpensive, it will consume resources much faster (ink and paper). The "easy to install" claim can be invalidated by the fact that most "computer-illiterate" people delegate the work to install a printer to someone else, leading to the misbelief that it has been easy (as they didn't have to do it theirselves); I know many "PC professionals" who are fully unable to perform an "easy install" on their own, even _if_ it is really easy. > Trying to get an ink-jet printer to work on FreeBSD can be a whole new > experience in frustration. Oh yes. > The manufacturers created a product to fit a > particular niche in the market place. The fact that FreeBSD cannot > accommodate that is a problem. FreeBSD simply isn't an attractive target audience at the moment. See market share for a "non-market product". > I just spent several hours trying to convert a linux printer driver to > work on FreeBSD. Of course, both platforms use a different hierarchy > which then requires me to attempt to manually modify the files to point > to the right location, etcetera. A commonly known program. And hierarchies differ among Linux distributions too, so even if there's a driver for one system, it doesn't neccessarily work on a different one. > I still have not gotten it to work. > This is with only one driver on one PC. I can easily see why any > manufacturer would not want to be bothered with this bullshit. Most "help centers" would be unable to deal with UNIX stuff as it requires thinking, reading, deduction and abstraction, and it cannot be run by a "point by point" checklist. > Microsoft has used the same basic method for the installation of > printer drivers since Win95. System's "Add / Remove", installer provided by the manufacturer, .INF files, various "wizards", use of the printer "control panel"... all with a different look & feel depending on the kind of "Windows" you're using - yes, this colorful dance is the basic method since "Windows '95". > However, you cannot even get Linux/*BSD, > etcetera to agree on a common, uniform hierarchy for and method of > implementing printer drivers. I couldn't care less if they used CUPS. > LPR or whatever just as long as they get a unified method in place. Yeah... still returning to business 101... as unit sales are insignificant in the Linux and BSD markets, manufacturers wouldn't invest work in making separate printer drivers. The idea would be to have an OS-independent solution, but I would assume this never gets through. > If such a system were in place, there would be no problem in getting > developers to write the necessary drivers. Hell, if they did it right > they could use the Windows drivers. Yes, as I said! This of course would require some very specific kind of compatibility that is not given in relation with proprietary closed-source products. As I mentioned in my previous message: This would introduce the ability of free operating systems to keep things working that the manufactueres want to remove from the market to sell a new product. > However, we both know that they > (the OS developers) would rather bite off their nose than do that out > of pure spite. Hmm... I wouldn't see any problems here as long as it is possible with acceptable investition. Of couse, as soon as lawsuits in patent law, licensing and other non-market stuff enters the field, every attempt is sentenced to die before it starts. When customers can be held liable for using a printer driver... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o50sm9879854yhl.9.2011.10.27.16.39.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SV4S62NxCz2CG4g for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:39:17 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111027193917.64997639@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20111028005249.5977ec0c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> <20111027211132.78d4d1e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> <20111028005249.5977ec0c.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:39:22 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-) Absolutely true. However, as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." This sort of tunnel vision, at least in my opinion, has infected the *BSD community in general. They look at a problem and then, rather than finding a solution, find someone to blame. My my late father was so fond of saying when someone complained, "It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness." -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 00:09:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31220106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C3C8FC12 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9S095oG067411 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:09:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110280009.p9S095oG067411@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:08 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 27 16:46:51 2011 > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. > > > > > The *nix community has never > > > gotten printing up to that lever. > > > > It _had_, past tense. :-) > > > > > While there are those who continually > > > blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any > > > other alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously proposed > > > the creation of a department dedicated to the writing of drivers for > > > non-windows based systems, a department that would therefore have a > > > zero based projected cash flow, would be removed from office > > > posthaste. > > > > Fully agree, but if established standards would have > > been truly adopted by the manufactueres for their > > products, there would be no need to develop any drivers. > > One standard interface could address all printer > > functionality, and maybe even more, such as scanning > > or faxing functionalities quite common in the "egg-laying > > wool-milk-sows" we see on the consumer markets. > > First of all let me say that I love standards; there are so many of > them to choose from. > > Secondly, I seriously hope that never comes to pass. Once you lock > yourself into one specific interface the ability to innovate has been > removed. I cannot think of a worse possible scenario. There's no real need for a 'standard' for communication with dumb raster devices, which is what most 'winprinters' are. All that is needed is a _published_ specification such that others can implement communications with that device. And there isn't a whole lot to such a specification: How start-of-page is marked How start-of-line is marked How end-of-line is marked How end-of-page is marked How pixels are represented Pixels per raster line, Raster lines per page, How the bits are sequenced The compression methodology, if any, used. there is little reason _not_ to make such specification public. > > Sadly, "the one standard" doesn't seem to exist, and > > manufacturers are not willing to discuss one. Of course, > > such a standard would have to be free and open, so any > > OS could implement it. > > There you go putting restriction on how such an "standard" should be > implemented. I have a better idea. Why doesn't the *nix/*BSD {pick any > other letter combination that turns you on} agree to one uniform method > of implementing printer drivers and then let the manufacturers > implement it on their end. You argued cogently _against_ manufacturers using standards. Now you argue in favor of the entire *nix commnity agreeing on one. Somehow, the phrase "double standard' springs to mind. > I have spoke to two company reps in the > past year, one regarding printers, and both stated outright that the > thought of writing and maintaining drivers on a multitude of platforms > scares them to death. The problem is not with the manufacturers but > rather with the fragmentation of the non-windows arena. There is -no- need for *them* to actually write drivers for use in 'specialty'/'niche' markets. *ALL* they have to do is release the 'specifications' for the communications format and protocol that the device uses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 00:38:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD77106566C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9D08FC0C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D583C91D for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:38:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9S0cf2u073255 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:38:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:38:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20111028023841.60b8f06b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111027193917.64997639@scorpio> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> <20111027211132.78d4d1e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> <20111028005249.5977ec0c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111027193917.64997639@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:38:43 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:39:17 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-) > > Absolutely true. However, as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "It is > tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as > if it were a nail." Heh, I also thought about that saying after sending the message. Maybe a bad example. :-) > This sort of tunnel vision, at least in my opinion, has infected the > *BSD community in general. They look at a problem and then, rather than > finding a solution, find someone to blame. My my late father was so > fond of saying when someone complained, "It's better to light a candle > than curse the darkness." It's always a consideration of "what to invest" versus "what to get out of the deal", considering risks and options. And often politics. Just imagine a "thing" like FreeBSD would implement a means to simply use "Windows" printer drivers. And then MICROS~1 starts suing, both FreeBSD and its users (!!!) for "illegally using" something. Sounds stupid and contraproductive? It is - but things like this seem to be common. You surely know that MICROS~1 has more revenue from its competitor HTC than from their own mobile phone platform? The idea: "You know, maybe we have some patents, but we won't tell you which they are, even in a court trial we won't, but maybe we have some. And if you don't pay $5 per unit sold, then... maybe... we'll sue you and all your customers." The "fee" has been raised to $15 some time later. (If I understood the process correctly - I'm not much interested in this mobile stuff and all the ugly politics involved because this has nothing to do with a free market.) There needs to be some security both for developers and for users. Current market politics don't seem to provide them. On the other hand, implementing drivers for "simple printers" (typical inkpee products) is easy when you know the control codes to make the paper and the printing head move. Reverse-engineering such stuff isn't that easy, sadly. The question is: Are the manufacturers willing to publish those little details? Do they see that as "too costly"? This is the opposite approach to making a "Windows"-like driver interface in UNIX / Linux to use the currently (and on the long run, partially) working drivers. But see my concerns regarding politics & blackmail. By the way, I'm also a fan of "lighting the candle". After all, it's a consideration of how you value your time, if you see it worth investing in getting something to work, learn important things (for your IT career), or if you feel you should return something to the community that provides you a powerful OS for free. There are many ways you can "light the candle", it's up to you _how_ you do it. Anyway, everything is better than staying in darkness and stumbling into a pile of garbage. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 01:42:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3227106566C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84798FC0A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9E8BDC34 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:42:02 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:42:02 -0700 Message-ID: <25526.1319766122@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: acroread9-9.4.2 -- 100% CPU usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:42:04 -0000 I knew that this was a problem for older versions of the adobe acrobat reader (acroread) but I really thought that SOMBODY would have fixed this by now, as it has been a longstanding problem. But alas, acroread9-9.4.2 as installed from the ports tree on a reasonably up-to-date 8.2-RELEASE/amd64 system is still consuming 100% CPU whenever it runs. I googled around awhile trying to find the solution, and found a couple of suggestions for fixing this, but none of them worked. OK, so somebody please clue me in. What's the magic diddle I have to apply to this system in order to get acroread 9.4.2 to stop consuming 100% CPU? (I already tried diddling the "direction connection / proxy" thing in a couple of different ways and that makes no difference at all.) 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This seems to be becoming less and less accurate. It has long been the case that consumer-grade ink-blot printers are sold below cost -- the money being made by selling ink cartridges. In recent years, some manufacturers of laser printers seem to be adopting this business model also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 05:53:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29554106566B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from spock-ext.obspm.fr (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073E8FC15 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by spock-ext.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id p9S5rUP4022668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:53:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:53:30 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: David Magda Message-ID: <20111028055330.GA77051@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20111019141443.GQ4592@pcjas.obspm.fr> <001301cc8ecf$3f8447f0$be8cd7d0$@com> <20111027153220.GG68936@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.4 (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:53:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at spock-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Dell with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:53:41 -0000 Le 27/10/2011 à 13:34:50-0400, David Magda a écrit > On Thu, October 27, 2011 11:32, Albert Shih wrote: > > >> I also recommend LSI 9200-8E or new 9205-8E with the IT firmware based > >> on past experience > > > > Do you known if the LSI-9205-8E HBA or the LSI-9202-16E HBA work under > > FreBSD 9.0 ? > > Check the man page for mpt(4): > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mpt&manpath=FreeBSD+9-current > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mpt&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE Well....I don't find this LSI in the mpt driver. I find the chipset of the http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9202-16e.aspx in the mps drivers. But I don't known if it's enough to support le card. > > Or LSI's site: > > http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9205-8e.aspx this one use 2308 chip and I definitely don't find this chip on mps driver. > http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9202-16e.aspx > > Do you know how to use a search engine? Don't knwon you tell me ;-) I going to spend lot of money to buy some card, I just hope I can sure the card going to work.... Thanks Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH DIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: ven 28 oct 2011 07:48:55 CEST From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 06:53:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2323106566C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DED8FC13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9S6rka3007444; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9S6rivW007441; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" In-Reply-To: <23575.1319749979@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <23575.1319749979@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:53:47 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message , > Warren Block wrote: > >> ... >>> The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up >>> a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what >>> will happen if I ever try to print something when something else is >>> currently printing. >> >> There's also the issue of printing large files, which will tie up the >> command line until the printer has buffered them all... > > "Tie up the command line" ?? > > John Levine attempted to make the same point, and I'm still not really getting > it. This is why we have X! I can have all of the "command lines" that I want, > and I frequently do. I have at least 15 different xterm windows open as we > speak, so I really don't see "tying up the command line" as a real issue. A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The program stops responding to further input until the printer has received the entire print job. This bothered people enough that they came up with lpd/lpr, which is part of the base FreeBSD system and works well. It's been around long enough for problems to have been worked out. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 08:10:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5B3106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6298FC1B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:08:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-76-46.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.76.46]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20111028080806H0600a7jr1e>; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:08:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.76.46] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Message-Id: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:10:55 -0000 from Mark Felder : > You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would > take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are > instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go > home and do the same with my personal laser. I wish I could do that with my HP n1212mf LaserJet, but the necessary hplip port depends on cups-base. I could not get that printer to work on the old computer under FreeBSD 8.2 and NetBSD 5.1_STABLE, problems with the tricky USB interface, won't work with ulpt, but I didn't try the ethernet way yet. On the new computer, FreeBSD being the only hard-drive OS installed so far, I built hplip but haven't tested it yet. Upgrading by source from FreeBSD 9.0-BETA2 to RC1, I was sure to deactivate ulpt in the kernel config file. I am still struggling with some files in /etc messed up by mergemaster. I may have found a solution but haven't tested it yet; I did back up my old /etc directory. Then I have to portupgrade hplip and dependencies (portupgrade -r ...) or the portmaster equivalent. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 10:36:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3336C106566B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A208FC0C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so4701636ywt.13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.200.201 with SMTP id z49mr2640424yhn.20.1319798183843; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o22sm10480174yhk.17.2011.10.28.03.36.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SVM2F2fzkz2CG4b for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:36:20 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:36:25 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Thomas Mueller articulated: > from Mark Felder : > > > You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it > > would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my > > print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of being a > > mystery. Can't wait to go home and do the same with my personal > > laser. > > I wish I could do that with my HP n1212mf LaserJet, but the necessary > hplip port depends on cups-base. > > I could not get that printer to work on the old computer under > FreeBSD 8.2 and NetBSD 5.1_STABLE, problems with the tricky USB > interface, won't work with ulpt, but I didn't try the ethernet way > yet. > > On the new computer, FreeBSD being the only hard-drive OS installed > so far, I built hplip but haven't tested it yet. Upgrading by source > from FreeBSD 9.0-BETA2 to RC1, I was sure to deactivate ulpt in the > kernel config file. I am still struggling with some files in /etc > messed up by mergemaster. I may have found a solution but haven't > tested it yet; I did back up my old /etc directory. > > Then I have to portupgrade hplip and dependencies (portupgrade > -r ...) or the portmaster equivalent. Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or just self-flagellation? -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 10:59:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8F71065674 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D888FC17 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd8 with SMTP id 8so4722807gyd.13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.159.18 with SMTP id h18mr2190545ybe.6.1319799563609; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4sm23616152ani.12.2011.10.28.03.59.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SVMXj3NLtz2CG4b for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:59:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111028065916.420fb3dc@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201110280009.p9S095oG067411@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111027174621.2dda6bdc@scorpio> <201110280009.p9S095oG067411@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:59:24 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 27 16:46:51 2011 > > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400 > > From: Jerry > > To: FreeBSD > > Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS > > > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 > > Polytropon articulated: > > > > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > > > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. > > > > > > > The *nix community has never > > > > gotten printing up to that lever. > > > > > > It _had_, past tense. :-) > > > > > > > While there are those who continually > > > > blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or > > > > any other alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously > > > > proposed the creation of a department dedicated to the writing > > > > of drivers for non-windows based systems, a department that > > > > would therefore have a zero based projected cash flow, would be > > > > removed from office posthaste. > > > > > > Fully agree, but if established standards would have > > > been truly adopted by the manufactueres for their > > > products, there would be no need to develop any drivers. > > > One standard interface could address all printer > > > functionality, and maybe even more, such as scanning > > > or faxing functionalities quite common in the "egg-laying > > > wool-milk-sows" we see on the consumer markets. > > > > First of all let me say that I love standards; there are so many of > > them to choose from. > > > > Secondly, I seriously hope that never comes to pass. Once you lock > > yourself into one specific interface the ability to innovate has > > been removed. I cannot think of a worse possible scenario. > > There's no real need for a 'standard' for communication with dumb > raster devices, which is what most 'winprinters' are. > > All that is needed is a _published_ specification such that others > can implement communications with that device. > > And there isn't a whole lot to such a specification: > How start-of-page is marked > How start-of-line is marked > How end-of-line is marked > How end-of-page is marked > How pixels are represented > Pixels per raster line, > Raster lines per page, > How the bits are sequenced > The compression methodology, if any, used. > > there is little reason _not_ to make such specification public. > > > > Sadly, "the one standard" doesn't seem to exist, and > > > manufacturers are not willing to discuss one. Of course, > > > such a standard would have to be free and open, so any > > > OS could implement it. > > > > There you go putting restriction on how such an "standard" should be > > implemented. I have a better idea. Why doesn't the *nix/*BSD {pick > > any other letter combination that turns you on} agree to one > > uniform method of implementing printer drivers and then let the > > manufacturers implement it on their end. > > You argued cogently _against_ manufacturers using standards. > Now you argue in favor of the entire *nix commnity agreeing on one. > > Somehow, the phrase "double standard' springs to mind. I argued against any standard that strangles the ability to innovate. Certain "standards" such as port 25 for SMTP are a necessary evil. There are other examples. Microsoft, since Win95 has had a simple method for the installation of programs and drivers into it system. A program that is attempting to install itself into the system calls "msi" and supplies the needed data to that application. MSI then takes over and installs the application/driver. This allows developers to worry about creating their applications or drivers without the headache of actually installing them. Now, if the *BSD and other non-windows platform had a similar application, one that ran EXACTLY THE SAME on each different platform, developers would have a far easier task designing drivers for a wide target audience instead of having to custom design each driver to each individual platform which sometimes changes drastically between major version numbers. > > I have spoke to two company reps in the > > past year, one regarding printers, and both stated outright that the > > thought of writing and maintaining drivers on a multitude of > > platforms scares them to death. The problem is not with the > > manufacturers but rather with the fragmentation of the non-windows > > arena. > > There is -no- need for *them* to actually write drivers for use in > 'specialty'/'niche' markets. > > *ALL* they have to do is release the 'specifications' for the > communications format and protocol that the device uses. Obviously you do not understand the term "proprietary" as it refers to "proprietary design" or "proprietary goods". Honestly, where do you socialists come off with the doctrine that others should work their asses off developing a product and then divulge that knowledge to you free of charge thus costing the developer a fair return on his/her investment? In any case, even IF the needed code were disclosed by the original developers, users -- probably like you -- would bitch that now they were being forced to write the de3vice driver code. Every time you give a socialist something, they want more. It is a never ending downhill slide. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 11:24:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2C2106566B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7A68FC08 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6.nber.org (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9SBNwAc082934; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:23:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber6.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p9SBMj8j018663; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:22:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nber6.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Mark Felder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20111028 #5557405, check: 20111028 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:24:25 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote: > You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would > take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs > are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to > go home and do the same with my personal laser. Has anyone here experience with PDQ? It is a printing system that appears to address the problems cited in this thread. http://pdq.sourceforge.net/ Quoting from the website: Most casual unix users regard lp and lpr as black holes to which print jobs disappear, and may or may not emerge. I haven't tried it, as we have been able to make CUPS work (barely), but I am sympathetic to the sentiments expressed. Other than Windows-specific printers, FreeBSD printing problems are home-grown, and not caused by vendor misbehavior. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 13:37:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CE8106566B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969BA8FC12 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from j.reilly.is.the.monkeylord.now.get.back.to.work.peon (j.reilly.is.the.monkeylord.now.get.back.to.work.peon [85.233.185.164] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9SDb69s008664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:37:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4EAAB002.7040901@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:37:06 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Shih References: <20111019141443.GQ4592@pcjas.obspm.fr> <001301cc8ecf$3f8447f0$be8cd7d0$@com> <20111027153220.GG68936@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20111028055330.GA77051@pcjas.obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20111028055330.GA77051@pcjas.obspm.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: David Magda , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Dell with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:37:10 -0000 On 28/10/2011 06:53, Albert Shih wrote: > Le 27/10/2011 à 13:34:50-0400, David Magda a écrit >> On Thu, October 27, 2011 11:32, Albert Shih wrote: >> >>>> I also recommend LSI 9200-8E or new 9205-8E with the IT firmware based >>>> on past experience >>> Do you known if the LSI-9205-8E HBA or the LSI-9202-16E HBA work under >>> FreBSD 9.0 ? >> Check the man page for mpt(4): >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mpt&manpath=FreeBSD+9-current >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mpt&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE > Well....I don't find this LSI in the mpt driver. I find the chipset of the > http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9202-16e.aspx in > the mps drivers. But I don't known if it's enough to support le card. > >> Or LSI's site: >> >> http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9205-8e.aspx > this one use 2308 chip and I definitely don't find this chip on mps driver. > >> http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS9202-16e.aspx >> >> Do you know how to use a search engine? > Don't knwon you tell me ;-) > > I going to spend lot of money to buy some card, I just hope I can sure the > card going to work.... There is a fair chance for any newer LSI/PERC that supports sas it may be supported under the mfi driver. for example on dell R410 mfiutil -u0 show adapter mfi0 Adapter: Product Name: PERC H700 Adapter Serial Number: 0CP00UO Firmware: 12.10.0-0025 RAID Levels: JBOD, RAID0, RAID1, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10, RAID50 Battery Backup: present NVRAM: 32K Onboard Memory: 512M Minimum Stripe: 8k Maximum Stripe: 1M mfi0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x010400 card=0x1f161028 chip=0x00791000 rev=0x05 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'LSI Logic / Symbios Logic' device = 'MegaRAID SAS 2108 [Liberator]' class = mass storage I am currently having some issues with a similar controller but thats a different firmware and rebadged by supermicro. so far i havent had any issues with this dell but its been under very light load and only up for a month. Vince > Thanks > > Regards. > > JAS > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 14:42:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570ED106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1766E8FC1A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9SEfsMt009955; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9SEfrHf009952; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Daniel Feenberg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:42:18 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote: > >> You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would >> take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are >> instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go >> home and do the same with my personal laser. > > Has anyone here experience with PDQ? It is a printing system that appears to > address the problems cited in this thread. > > http://pdq.sourceforge.net/ > > Quoting from the website: > > Most casual unix users regard lp and lpr as > black holes to which print jobs disappear, > and may or may not emerge. The arguments seem weak to me, and it sounds like a reinvention of lpd. It's unfortunate that many people see CUPS as the default choice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 15:20:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBBF106566C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sathler90@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00A68FC14 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so5300933faa.13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:20:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wGEODFmsEGZvz9fDmYuRdTtrQ0fhbVjOMKzQNW+iMNc=; b=qSYEbbeK5lDq9igh4XJcj6R1hDYwTzXQqWVUYgRQFnUUONLS4nu2IaXQ5qzsUPutBY ZKIzv9seE4SKRinpUqR4TfZgnv8SjeM+r2WevVhb9RrYOILrHHJCHb2B6/ry/o+XiF5z 3U2UVcZIfP+QK9vLdMwKyODmVJKHHCf0/KpXE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.92.135 with SMTP id r7mr6772966fam.35.1319813878600; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.154.199 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1319038571.43689.13.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <20111019141443.GQ4592@pcjas.obspm.fr> <1319038571.43689.13.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:57:58 -0200 Message-ID: From: Eduardo To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS on Dell with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:20:15 -0000 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > I have several dells with the perc controller > and I can say that the best solution is > to user raid 0 (see both disks) and let > zfs to mirror them.. > > This works ok, and you can use the zfs tools to > manage the disks. > > Howerver this does not solve the problem that I > had with the perc controller.. Hi, I have one observation regarding a similar situation ... if I am using the perc to create a mirror of the 2 boot disks (using UFS) ... and the perc crashes / die or gets replaced ... I use to think that I could boot from the individual disk ... since in this case the data is there and does not need the perc to see it .... is this correct ? or you think that I will not be able to boot the system ? (or even if it is not the boot disk ... I should be able to mount one of the drives anyway... ) Thanks! > The problem is that all the storage you have is > in the perc controller, even it is reliable, when > it "breaks", all of your storage (and so the computer...) > is useless. =A0You cannot move the drives (HD) to another > machine because the "normal" =A0controller (ad, ada) will > not recognize the disk. > > Even if you have a spare perc controller of the same kind > at hand (and I bet you do not have...) =A0the disks are > "signed" =A0by the other (the broken) controller =A0and so > will not be recognized by the new controller. > > In my case I had to call dell support, and only after > several hours I could put the HD =A0online again. > > I mount only one disk (of the zfs pool) in the new > controller, and even with the dell support in the phone > the new controller wipe out the disk. > A new call (with a different dell support) was able to > re-initialize the disk, that includes re-install Freebsd... > and after that "attach" the old disk, and using zpool detatch, > followed by zpool attach (the old disk), it than reconstruct > the mirror... =A0resulting in almost 6 hour downtime > and a loss of one day working for the hole company. > > Now, a dell support (here) does not attend you =A0if you say > that the OS is FreeBSD, you must say to them that you are > installing Linux... to get the support. > > Conclusion: =A0 now I prefer the IBM 32XX series... > > Ok > that is my story > > > Sergio. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 16:18:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7795E1065672 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snoop@email.it) Received: from smtp-out08.email.it (smtp-out08.email.it [212.97.34.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AD68FC15 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out08.email.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AB9C01D for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:18:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at email.it Received: from smtp-out08.email.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-out08.email.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id BMc+dM5MEfUg for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:18:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.59] (inhio.eu [84.242.85.251]) by smtp-out08.email.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6987DC00F for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:18:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Snoop To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <4EA87850.5060103@fisglobal.com> References: <1319656810.1358.8.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <4EA87850.5060103@fisglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:18:46 +0200 Message-ID: <1319818726.1365.2.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CARP related trivial question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:18:51 -0000 Thanks for replying Dave, that's the problem. There's no module and apparently it's supposed to be there. Ready to be loaded. :-O Mistake in the FreeBSD handbook? On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 14:14 -0700, Robison, Dave wrote: > On 10/26/2011 12:20, Snoop wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I've got a pretty trivial question but I'm kind of disoriented. > > > > In the CARP man pages is clearly stated > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/carp.html: > > __________________________________________________________________ > > "To enable support for CARP, the FreeBSD kernel must be rebuilt as > > described in Chapter 9 with the following option: > > device carp > > > > Alternatively, the if_carp.ko module can be loaded at boot time. Add the > > following line to the /boot/loader.conf: > > if_carp_load="YES" " > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > I'm not new to FreeBSD but I didn't manage to load that as a module, not > > while the OS is running neither at the startup adding the param on > > loader.conf. > > I'd love to do that instead of recompiling the kernel to get that > > working on any node. > > I'm talking about FreeBSD 8.1. > > > > Am I missing something? > > Any tip would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > -- > > Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f > > > > Sponsor: > > Incrementa la visibilita' della tua azienda con le campagne di email marketing di Email.it > > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11846&d=26-10 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > Does if_carp.ko exist under /boot/kernel/ ? > > If so: > [root@lefty] ~# ls -lart /boot/kernel | grep if_carp > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 197392 Feb 16 2011 if_carp.ko.symbols > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 44336 Feb 16 2011 if_carp.ko > [root@lefty] ~# kldload if_carp.ko > [root@lefty] ~# kldstat | grep if_carp.ko > 47 1 0xffffffff814fe000 4dd0 if_carp.ko > [root@lefty] ~# > > should work. > > Dave > > > -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? 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Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11654&d=28-10 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 16:49:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C09106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36F28FC0A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so5898739wwi.31 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:49:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TuobMNvPbNF8s0S4TJR29+UNmHFbat8a70FJ9xtKhZQ=; b=bzrA0sbxJLB44uoxqDaKysARNE4JLVU4bPS4vgJ7XRx7hSXkiYOIBS1fuiIbBqdgqY ozfjGjRm5B5n+OfpS64hsmoMZoEvKE0YqCBhS3zz7ZSfpZH1viLWYk4e3sVj11p/b8Tk VYtYkQDJkp5R6HIjVRMgkRZ1nTMrpPRNhdLbk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21mr4820029wbb.18.1319820585266; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.98.5 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:49:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Patrick Lamaiziere , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: (8.2) share lib and ldconfig problem. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:49:47 -0000 > Hello, > > 8.2 STABLE/i386 > > I'm hit by something strange. > > Basically ldconfig does not take care of some libs > in /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg > > By sample I've updated icu (via portupgrade) and libreoffice does not > start anymore. > > $ libreoffice > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libicuuc.so.46" not found, > required by "libsvtfi.so" > > Portgrade did a copy of the lib into /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg and run > ldconfig. But the lib does not appear in the listing of the ldconfig > cache : You mean portupgrade, probably? > > # cd /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/ > # ls -m *icu* > libicudata.so.46*, libicudata.so.46.1*, libicui18n.so.46.1*, > libicuio.so.46.1*, libicule.so.46.1*, libiculx.so.46.1*, > libicutest.so.46.1*, libicutu.so.46.1*, libicuuc.so.46.1* > > # ldconfig -r | grep pkg | grep icu > 664:-licudata.46 => /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libicudata.so.46 > > Note that there is only one icu lib in the ldconfig's cache. The one > named libicudata.so.46 (which is a copy of libicudata.so.46.1). > > Questions are : > > - Why theses libs are not in the ldconfig cache ? > - Why a copy named libicudata.so.46 is in the cache and not > libicudata.so.46.1? Unlike the hints for the old aout format, there aren't any filename hashes in the elf hints file, just a header and a list of search directories. The 'ldconfig -r' output is faked, and displays (see list_elf_hints() in src/sbin/ldconfig/elfhints.c) what it thinks rtld(1) will look for: shared libraries in the search directories with filenames of the form lib*.so., followed by a string of numbers corresponding to the major version of the shared library. *.so.46.1 don't fit this pattern, because of the extra dots separating the major and minor version numbers in those filenames. Since your broken binary seems to need *.so.46, you can try adding symlinks between the corresponding *.so.46 and *.so.46.1, or you can rebuild the dependent port. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 16:51:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38A0106566C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 927E28FC14 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 16:38:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 16:38:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 16:38:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 991575.93025.bm@omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 10707 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2011 16:38:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1319819884; bh=LDIQgkTorQFPk7h+OaJ8glGrsG1/0oEMIg4uOssAeNk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IWXXxcYgenQpEUDHpvnDey5NfpV6jebuUsjPYLt4RGpjz5VFZF3bNLuAklhg9IyeIKv9j1LOaPb49ro4zNwNtLfQnWOm1/lYtcuz5A2XIrpkcgdInidveroYjd5A7lGlzW8Yud6/Ayxz2SvyM8tdKoOIVfM5FeuZHiCZCmeWRbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ereqSf+vLDSUv7yjalJUfs9Yz+P0p41dcUiFh1ESkqo0xk05wUuoHiXKLt1QWVvN4fm0TGu/q0Y3gWmQB1FAd+x918TC8q6JpGceHGk1AZKpAIrdE6qvKtMzgCdkXcFyQyPW1Ud4ioc50fNln+i37NbvykrNIPIf2y6NHiGRyIA=; X-YMail-OSG: fsI_9CwVM1mOa0imTrJiQYX1CyjZzvfjTfcSeAZ2ukn5xTr glsBj.nzxjMTeXn.WfaedQxltrlQgnwC3c8SGb6hjr94o6H5c7X.Oxfdu_VE u_IIG64xzO3E8ozI4loGH0M3eS3zvFFmp98MebpsygZKsJGUXFpLbbab1NW5 GTFl0HjuNPjBghtQgmfnpp6W7p697S8800PgccOlED5zAXd9xoxiimmLaK0i QC9jTXw5VSaf0_km08CwWsdx3LX9yueTdqsiwVg0YUFGLS0rn608d8a.VyX6 rMSp_VZUbG0hhGy.ZUQugLWkFJ7Y_WQ2Ne8KKTSgdnbP0924btEAz9Rbh5PI l16x4ohtL1_tRbtGqBIfq19_rpFGsqoHcwm3OLj6SXZZxjz5tjaal_VB4xNd cMify4aDH6UoA.Q1pPOgBqwFx5Jf3pqlju4v7VpgDBx4- Received: from [116.15.91.181] by web160115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:38:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1319819884.93776.YahooMailNeo@web160115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:12:22 +0000 Subject: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Unga List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:51:32 -0000 Hi all Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux? I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file system type. Any help in this regard is very much appreciated. Many thanks in advance. Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 18:12:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4107106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78BE8FC15 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E631C3D083; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:12:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9SICKPs001919; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:12:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:12:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20111028201220.90a63627.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23575.1319749979@tristatelogic.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:12:25 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:44 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The program > stops responding to further input until the printer has received the > entire print job. This bothered people enough that they came up with > lpd/lpr, which is part of the base FreeBSD system and works well. It's > been around long enough for problems to have been worked out. Furthermore, this system's mechanism allows the use of "user plugins", i. e. custom printer filters that talk to the device directly. This means that as soon as the printer spooler has received the data from the application program, any delays just happen to the processing and transmitting job (to the printer), not to the originating program. For example, I've written a simple "search & replace filter" to send data directly to the parallel port where a daisywheel printer is attached. It's easy to combine this with the system's tools lpr / lpd / lpq / lprm, in combination with the /etc/printcap file and a shell script. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 18:59:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA053106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra2bear@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9148FC14 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so5578278faa.13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:59:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=+fDaGPKXMk7R2klWt2SyAE0Se9/IqBtp0F5f9H1I5vI=; b=lpRXtuUzoDUdWjMfRcvxkHS9FsKxILE2/oSu6VEY9z0m+Yw3HQqdOEiDwKaeLWjbFH INHNKBRAoJzOAlvaf13qfp/NAF/dlBHJUbQIV/f7QYiwnQ4HVHI3MS9okAJUuxMqLYah BpxBZwhQeG+4+1BdBT/pABXev+EHDft6hUMe4= Received: by 10.223.4.215 with SMTP id 23mr7976220fas.8.1319828385145; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:59:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.200 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Peter Kryszkiewicz Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:59:24 -0700 Message-ID: To: "C. P. Ghost" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rsync and the ports tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:59:46 -0000 Sounds like a well-thought out backup strategy. I've started to use your methods here, and I'm building ports I need at the same time, but the wireless here is not password protected so is incredibly slow as there are lots of leaches on the system. But while I'm plodding along, I have a few more questions: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:07 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Peter Kryszkiewicz > wrote: > > I have several machines installed in my temporary location and only my > > laptop gets the internet through wireless. So far I've been building > ports > > on the other machines by rsync'ing the distfiles from the laptop as I > need > > them (all machines have the same FreeBSD 8.2 installed). > > > > The problem comes after I did a 'portupgrade -a' on the laptop. To ensure > > the other ports trees are in sync, can I rsync the /usr/ports directory > to > > the other machines? Since some of them are different architectures (amd64 > > multicore for instance) I ran into situations where the distfiles are > > different (for gcc for example). > > First of all, rsync is working perfectly if you want to > distribute /usr/ports/distfiles, /usr/ports to your internal > machines, even when they are not of the same architecture. > I'm doing this with a BIG farm of servers running i386, amd64, > and sparc64 for a long, long time. > > You only need to make sure to rsync the *union* of your > /usr/ports/distfiles directories, or else it won't work. > > Say, on amd64 you have > /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-amd64-only.tar.bz2 > and on i386 you have > /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-i386-only.tar.bz2 > > Yes, that happens every now and then. > > So you have to rsync both ways, so that you end up with > /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-amd64-only.tar.bz2 > /usr/ports/distfiles/some-distfile-for-i386-only.tar.bz2 > on both i386 and amd64 machines. > I've done that, it works well especially for the architecture differences. gcc requires an additional distfile for the amd64 build). > > The catch is: look out for rsync's --delete flag! When some > port managers delete old/stale distfiles, they may also delete > distfiles for the *other* arches because they (rightly) think > they are not needed here... and when you then rsync with --delete, > that would (wrongly) propagate such deletes to those arches, > and you end up with missing distfiles on the targets. > > Since I have more than just two arches, I use a slightly different > 2-layer workflow: > > 0. I have 3 servers that are allowed to fetch files from the outside: > i386-master, amd64-master, sparc64-master. > and a whole bunch of i386-slave-NNN, amd64-slave-NNN and > sparc64-slave-NNN machines that would duplicate from their > relative masters via rsync. > > On all -master(s), I keep $DISTFILES outside of /usr/ports > (on /usr/local/distfiles, with a symbolic link in /usr/ports > /usr/ports/distfiles -> /usr/local/distfiles) > > Initial update of i386-master, as usual: > > 1. On i386-master, csup /usr/ports. > Run portmaster as usual to upgrade everything. > This may delete old stale distfiles and non-i386-distfiles. > This may fetch additional generic and i386-specific distfiles. > > Copy the new /usr/ports (without distfiles) to the other > arch masters: > > 2. rsync -av --delete i386-master:/usr/ports to amd64-master > and sparc64-master. CAUTION: Use --delete is okay, but only > because distfiles are not under /usr/ports, so as not to nuke > non-i386-specific distfiles of the other arches. > > Copy i386-master's NEW distfiles to the other arch masters: > > 3. rsync -av i386-master:/usr/local/distfiles to amd64-master > and sparc64-master. BEWARE: Don't use --delete here! > Do this to copy new generic distfiles (and i386) from > the i386-master build to amd64-master and sparc64-master. > > Update amd64-master and sparc64-master's ports as usual: > > 4. On amd64-master, run portmaster as usual to upgrade everything. > This may delete old stale distfiles and non-amd64-distfiles. > This may fetch additional (generic and) amd64-specific-distfiles. > > 5. On sparc64-master, run portmaster as usual to upgrade everything. > This may delete old stale distfiles and non-sparc64-distfiles. > This may fetch additional (generic and) sparc64-specific-distfiles. > > At this point, i386-master, amd64-master and sparc64-master are > fully updated, and their /usr/local/distfiles directories are up > to date w.r.t. their specific architectures. Now, copy everything > from the masters to the slaves: > > 6. On every i386-slave-NNN, rsync -av --delete: > /usr/ports, /usr/local (including /usr/local/distfiles), > /var/db/pkg, /var/db/ports > from i386-master. > > 7. On every amd64-slave-NNN, rsync -av --delete: > /usr/ports, /usr/local (including /usr/local/distfiles) > /var/db/pkg, /var/db/ports > from amd64-master. > I can see the need to sync /var/db/ports, but isn't /var/db/pkg specific to each machine? Same with /usr/local/distfiles (as far as the need to sync across machines) but /usr/local/ in general is also specific to each machine and is huge, storage-wise. I put git repositories there, like the kdenlive and ffmpeg sources I like to follow on graphics machines, while other machines have TeX and family installed. > > 8. On every sparc64-slave-NNN, rsync -av --delete: > /usr/ports, /usr/local (including /usr/local/distfiles) > /var/db/pkg, /var/db/ports > from sparc64-master. > > You may also need to update entries in /etc and /usr/local/etc > on the slaves. > > > If not rsync, what is the best way to keep multiple ports trees on > different > > hardware in sync, assuming everything runs FreeBSD 8.2? > > > > regards, > > Peter Kryszkiewicz > > -cpghost. > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 19:12:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41151065670 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A357C8FC17 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1493CB8E for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9SJCs4G002044 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111028211254.4a29fdd7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:12:57 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:36:20 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is > the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or > just self-flagellation? Maybe you can also ask the other way round: BEFORE I buy a product, I ask: Does this product offer compatibility with my OS? Does it support my system? I'm doing so for some years now intendedly, and I spend less money and have less trouble, still I can use the optimal hardware + software combination for the jobs I need them for. Of course, only very few professionals do use this approach, and they are a minority. They are not part of the target audience of manufacturers as they get the most revenue from the home consumer markets; regarding the advanced users, they _rightfully_ say: "We don't care, as it doesn't pay." This is a simple logic of the market. Regarding standards: If products are somehow compatible with something that's already established and supported, the the questions at the beginning can be answered with YES, leading to a unit sale. I think this is meant by "voting with my wallet", right? Product doesn't work for me - no sale. But as I initially said: Majorities decide in market regards. Those majorities are grown by advertising, which means that their needs are first created, then formed, and finally satisfied. See "Jevons paradox" in relation to "modern" products again. On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:59:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > I argued against any standard that strangles the ability to innovate. And I fully agree with that. ANY concept that is intended to limit the possibilities and the evolution of a product (hardware or software) is bad, as it limits freedom, as well as a natural flow of a free market. > Certain "standards" such as port 25 for SMTP are a necessary evil. > There are other examples. Yes. > Microsoft, since Win95 has had a simple method for the installation of > programs and drivers into it system. A program that is attempting to > install itself into the system calls "msi" > and supplies the needed > data to that application. MSI then takes over and installs the > application/driver. This allows developers to worry about creating > their applications or drivers without the headache of actually > installing them. Ha! Very funny. :-) Most software suppliers do use their own installers, just as they use own GUIs (for "inconsistency). I know that the MSI mechanism exists for many years, but developers seem to already have no big intention to use it. "Windows" does not have a concept of centrally managed software search, instalaltion, auditing, upgrading and deinstallation, so this fits the picture well. Also malware, spyware and all the "fun" you have in "Windows" land bypasses such means to improve installation habits. This is because users have developed a certain way of how they get programs onto their PCs: First they open a web browser and google for it, then they download some *.EXE file and execute it, go through a "wizard", next, next, next, wait, and reboot. This method also applies to drivers. Just look at what manufacturers put onto their installation CDs (or DVDs today), or how they encourage the users to download the stuff from the web. Program cycling (like upgrades) are typically done by each program on its own, individually. Again, marketing concepts apply here: Many software vendors regard the installer as part of their product, as a "viewing window" needed to have advertising purposes. Things such as company logos, entertainment elements, registration and other things therefore are claimed to _have to_ come in the installer. Oh, and I think you're wrong regarding the year: The MSI system, if I remember correctly, became available in the product "Windows 2000". The installer itself depends on the PRESENCE of the proper infrastructure, and there are various incompatible versions across the many kinds of "Windows", and you cannot install every MSI version on any arbitrary "Windows". This has to be made sure _before_ attempting to install anything that uses the MSI mechanism! The MSI intrastructure is also not freely documented, so it's not fully possible to employ it without further burdens. It's also "Windows" centric and cannot be used on other systems. And in the future, it's quite possible that certification will be added in order to control _what_ can be installed on a "Windows" PC and what cannot. And licensing also comes into mind, where "coworkers" of MICROS~1 are treated as 1st class cititens, whereas competitors would have to buy a license to use this approach. The actual programs to create MSI packages also have to be considered: Are they expensive, in comparison to the free and powerful tools known in the Linux and BSD world? Again, politics enter the field. And then there's the security consideration. MSI as a "black box" prohibits the proper inspection of its content "before it's too late" (unlike the packaging mechanisms in Linux or BSD). Conclusion: Individual binary installers are still the "standard". And people live with that, just like with SMTP on port 25. :-) > Now, if the *BSD and other non-windows platform had a similar > application, one that ran EXACTLY THE SAME on each different platform, > developers would have a far easier task designing drivers for a wide > target audience instead of having to custom design each driver to > each individual platform which sometimes changes drastically between > major version numbers. Yes, stable ABI and API across multiple platforms would help here much. But that's not going to be happening if you consider the growing diversification among the Linusi and the BSDs (while the BSDs on their own are regarded to me more stable here). > Obviously you do not understand the term "proprietary" as it refers to > "proprietary design" or "proprietary goods". > > Honestly, where do you socialists come off with the doctrine that > others should work their asses off developing a product and then > divulge that knowledge to you free of charge thus costing the developer > a fair return on his/her investment? Why do you have to be insulting, given the rest of your argumentation is quite properly done? Sorry, this simply disqualifies you... But allow me to reply to your statement: In my opinion, you are MISREADING what you reply to, leaving out an important fact and changing statements of a "if then" kind into a "must" kind. So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish the control codes for the sheet feeder and the ink pee motors. Conclusion: If they don't do it, they don't want developers to do so. It is their RIGHT, because they own the product, and they may sell it under any circumstances they think will lead to profit. Market rules again. But BY providing such information, they could see that their products are more often bought as free drivers do exist that make the incompatible product fully usable on alternative platforms. On _what_ platform a printer is used does not matter as it is the UNIT SALE that counts. I may come back to my initial "vote with the wallet" (if I did understand the term correctly, keep in mind that English is not my native language) idea: If the manufacturer says that I'm not part of his target audience, I simply won't buy his product, but buy from a competitor. It's just a matter of _how important_ this is to that manufacturer. Keep in mind that many businesses have EXACT imaginations of _who_ their target audiences are. In the past of IT, private persons and home settings have not been in the scope. Today those are the main markets. > In any case, even IF the needed code were disclosed by the original > developers, users -- probably like you -- would bitch that now they > were being forced to write the de3vice driver code. Please calm down and be polite, it's a neccessary requirement for an intelligent discussion. There are many gifted developers who give their knowledge and life time for free to a community to make a good product, who deserve to be treated with respect for doing so. Those developers would be happy to add another nice piece of hardware to the list of devices that support the OS they are improving, and the community would be thankful for having more choices on what to buy. Finally the manufacturer would profit from it -- not in magnitudes, I know, but still some more UNIT SALES! And if they provide a good product for an acceptable price, why not buy it when needed? I don't see the problems here as you're predicting them. > Every time you give > a socialist something, they want more. It is a never ending downhill > slide. Just like the exponential growth on one side that leads to poverty on the other one, as we can experience it in many "advanced" societies these days... But I basically agree with your statement: On a free market, there are no such problems. Conclusion: We need to establish a free market where customers can decide what products they want -- which is more than the choice between fire and brimstone they currently have (when they just consider the home consumer part of the market, which is everything that exists for them, according to their "knowledge"). Also note that many (most?) users of Linux and BSD would keep using those systems if they would have to pay for them. At least *I* would... So don't keep shouting "socialist!" when you don't know what the term means. The word stem is "social", which refers to the society, and shouldn't that be regarded a high goal in general? Two pictures: http://ulen.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/american-socialism.jpg http://blog.jonolan.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/socialism-illustrated.jpg Just for fun. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u66sm13970509yhu.13.2011.10.28.13.04.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SVbdc2yJ2z2CG4g for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20111028211254.4a29fdd7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> <20111028211254.4a29fdd7.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:04:24 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer > wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware > for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish the > control codes for the sheet feeder and the ink pee motors. > Conclusion: If they don't do it, they don't want developers > to do so. It is their RIGHT, because they own the product, > and they may sell it under any circumstances they think will > lead to profit. Market rules again. I am just going to reply to this one point because it is where you entire argument breaks down. Assume Big Corporation creates a new printer known as "Printer-101" and releases its code for any moron, sorry I meant expert to use to write OS specific drivers for. Now lets assume a user/developer/hobbyist (pick one, any one) decides to write a driver for said "Printer-101" and it is adapted by some unnamed OS. Lets name the driver writer "Poly". Now users buy this printer for this specific OS because they were told that a suitable driver existed for it on said platform. So far so good. Now comes the fun part. The printers output sucks. There are numerous system lockups and other really bad things happening. The manufacturer, Big Corporation finds its sales of "Printer-101" sinking faster than the Titanic. After a lengthy investigation it is found that the printer is sound and the codes supplied were correct. The problem is with the horrific "driver" written by Poly. Now tell me, should Poly be held financially responsible for this abomination? The odds are that Poly will be hiding off in a basement somewhere unreachable. We haven't even touched on what happens if Big Corporation finds a glitch with the printer and needs a modification in its firmware and modifications to Poly's driver script. Who supplies them and what happens when Poly disappears? Check out "MOVED" in the ports. There are numerous applications that are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way however. The thought of someone actually being responsible is rare indeed. I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those best able to supply them, the OEM. As stated in another post, if a suitable platform were created for manufacturers to distribute their drivers, whether it be printers, modems, wireless devices, etcetera, the problem would be solved. Of course it is easier for all the non-windows based OSs to have a pissing contest rather than create a unified front so I am confident that the prospect of that occurring in my life time are nil. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 20:14:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80921065670 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9E38FC18 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:14:31 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LTS00MS5LK3CQ90@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-10-28_05:2011-10-28, 2011-10-28, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1110280232 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:14:26 -0700 Message-id: <9D1B3EF7-736D-42FE-9E93-161C2C67E2F1@mac.com> References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> <20111028211254.4a29fdd7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:14:31 -0000 On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote: > Check out "MOVED" in the ports. There are numerous applications that > are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone > to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way however. The > thought of someone actually being responsible is rare indeed. When you use Open Source software, _you_ are responsible for it, and not the author(s) to the extent that such responsibility can legally be disclaimed. See the Disclaimer in all-caps here, for example: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html Don't like it? Feel free to use something else, or feel free to pay for a level of support that suits you. 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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm7537936anc.14.2011.10.28.13.29.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SVcBt4R6Xz2CG4g for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:29:41 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111028162941.612cb8a7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <9D1B3EF7-736D-42FE-9E93-161C2C67E2F1@mac.com> References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> <20111028211254.4a29fdd7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> <9D1B3EF7-736D-42FE-9E93-161C2C67E2F1@mac.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:29:46 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:14:26 -0700 Chuck Swiger articulated: > On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Check out "MOVED" in the ports. There are numerous applications that > > are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want > > someone to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way > > however. The thought of someone actually being responsible is rare > > indeed. > > When you use Open Source software, _you_ are responsible for it, and > not the author(s) to the extent that such responsibility can legally > be disclaimed. Which is exactly what I stated. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 20:37:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B75106566B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F7C8FC19 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283821DC32 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:37:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9SKbia7002331 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:37:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:37:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20111028223744.4118d205.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> <20111028211254.4a29fdd7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:37:47 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer > > wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware > > for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish the > > control codes for the sheet feeder and the ink pee motors. > > Conclusion: If they don't do it, they don't want developers > > to do so. It is their RIGHT, because they own the product, > > and they may sell it under any circumstances they think will > > lead to profit. Market rules again. > > I am just going to reply to this one point because it is where you > entire argument breaks down. > > Assume Big Corporation creates a new printer known as "Printer-101" and > releases its code for any moron, sorry I meant expert to use to write > OS specific drivers for. > [...] > We haven't even touched on what happens if Big Corporation finds a > glitch with the printer and needs a modification in its firmware and > modifications to Poly's driver script. Who supplies them and what > happens when Poly disappears? Valid point, haven't thought about that yet. The implications are interesting... It does not invalidate my argumentation, but it is worth being considered. "Bad advertising" could be considered a downside in unit sales, such as it happens with GPU vendors whose cards to not work properly on Linux -- they won't get recommended for use, instead a competitor will make the sale. But the manufacturers can create that effect theirselves by releasing crappy drivers. Due to the short life of hardware, they don't seem to consider drivers an essential part of their product, as it "does break next year anyway", an attitude fully matching the current "state of the art", the throwaway society. That's why driver support is often designed towards (and limited to!) a specific kind of "Windows" (as they make the main target audience, the majority, the biggest slice of market share). Fully understandable from a corporate point of view. Shortsighted in many cases maybe, but understandable. Why invest time (and therefore, money) in developing Linux drivers when the product will be withdrawn in the next year anyway, and the amount of Linux users going to buy the product are nearly zero, so the revenue will be quite small, and in _no_ relation to the investition of developing drivers. Take USB hard disks for example. As manufacturers have decided to use _one_ plug, as well as _one_ command set, I can virtually buy any external hard disk without worrying about compatibility, and I don't need any company to develop a driver for that disk for the OS I'm using. I wish this could be the default situation with any device, be it a media player, printer+scanner, USB toy or anything else. A standard that gives a broad interface with _all_ options available so the manufacturer can invent any extraordinary functionality he wants, depending on that "tool- set". Basically, that's what their current drivers do: They take a limited set of commands (in some programming language, assembler, C, whatever is currently considere "modern" in "Windows", who knows) and implements the functionality with this _closed_ set of tools, creating something new. Why not do that with a toolset that's available anywhere, and that can be ported to any new platform? Without paying license fees and handing them over to customers, hoping on the "good will" of possible competitors who hold the licensing rights so they won't destroy the product, and maybe the whole manufacturing company? The big chance: The "Yes, it also works on ..." could increase unit sales, and the perspective for the future would be good: Without developing sets of new drivers (for different kinds of "Windows" on different architectures, {m,n}-matrix) they could state that their product will also work with future devices. Interoperability, maybe this will also be more important in the future? A unified structure that gets PROPERLY (!) implemented on different platforms could be the solution. It would not limit inventions or further development. > Check out "MOVED" in the ports. There are numerous applications that > are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone > to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way however. The > thought of someone actually being responsible is rare indeed. There are companies offering support for payment, while the product they are using and promoting basically is free of charge. Maybe such a model could be adopted in such cases? > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My > drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local > pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those best able to > supply them, the OEM. This is what you _need_ to rely on as long as you cannot validate the products yourself. In many cases, you need very precide knowledge, maybe technology and tools, to be sure. This is _knowing_. By purchasing, you can only hope that the seller didn't lie to you. I would call that _believing_. After all, prices do _not_ imply quality! I think you can remember many "established and trusted companies" that came out with absolutely overpriced crap. Just because you _trust_ them does NOT mean that they are worth being trusted. Their goal is not to provide you a safe, ecological and easy to use car, a good medicine curing you, or a device that will do what you need. You _hope_ they do, and you often _feel_ they do, but without validation, you can't be sure. > As stated in another post, if a suitable platform were created for > manufacturers to distribute their drivers, whether it be printers, > modems, wireless devices, etcetera, the problem would be solved. I agree it's complicated, but with some consensus it sounds at least possible. In other fields it is reality (like unified plugs, unified chargers, unified rules), why not regarding drivers? > Of > course it is easier for all the non-windows based OSs to have a pissing > contest rather than create a unified front so I am confident that the > prospect of that occurring in my life time are nil. Diversity vs. unification... a discussion going to burst the list's capacity and purpose. :-) You just have to consider what's the trend at the moment, and in my experience, the trend is growing diversification, not just within the Linux and UNIX world, but also in "Windows" land, as well as among devices in general (esp. mobile market). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 21:35:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C801065670 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4DC8FC17 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9SLZK80075050 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110282135.p9SLZK80075050@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:35:20 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry pontificated: > > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My > drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local > pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those best able to > supply them, the OEM. "I am just going to reply to this one point because it is where you(sic) entire argument breaks down." That attitude is entirely acceptable for _your_ decision making. Asserting that nobody else shoul have any other alternatives to what you think is 'acceptable' is downright fascist. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 21:54:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF6C1065672 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223358FC13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so5354337ggn.13 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.165.40 with SMTP id d28mr6411368yhl.95.1319838845256; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. 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I like my device specific codes to come from those > > best able to supply them, the OEM. > > "I am just going to reply to this one point because it is where > you(sic) entire argument breaks down." > > That attitude is entirely acceptable for _your_ decision making. > Asserting that nobody else shoul(sic) have any other alternatives to > what you think is 'acceptable' is downright fascist. Who, or is it whom you choose to be your supplier is entirely a decision you have to make based on your needs and desires. My point is that anyone offering such products should be to some degree held legally responsible to their worth. A "Fly by Night" operation is totally unacceptable to me. If you find it acceptable then so be it. Remember the adage: "You get what you pay for." By the way, calling me a Fascist when a significant number of users of Open Source are socialist is rather funny. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. 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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm28228549ano.9.2011.10.28.14.56.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SVf7P6B9tz2CG4g for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:56:49 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111028175649.4067128b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201110282117.p9SLHkQn074914@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111028065916.420fb3dc@scorpio> <201110282117.p9SLHkQn074914@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:56:54 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > P.S. If _anybody_ wants to accuse me of 'name-calling', note well > that Jerry started it, and without any provocation. "Mommy.mommy, come quick. The boy next door is picking on me." -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:24:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82163106566B for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BFC8FC0A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 15761E803C0; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:24:13 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20111028222410.GA4910@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: header files?:: where? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:15 -0000 yes, i'm still messing with my curses pgm and have made some discoveries---among them, that xmodmap might be interferring with my configuration. anyway, anybody know where the following headers might be found/ ---- #include "gen_defs.h" #include "ciolib.h" #include "curs_cio.h" #include "keys.h" #include "mouse.h" #include "vidmodes.h" ---- tia, y'all! gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:24:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC9F1065744 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8348FC19 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E14B1E323 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9SMOQ2Y002782 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:24:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:24:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111029002426.b872a1d5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> References: <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> <201110282135.p9SLZK80075050@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:29 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Remember the adage: "You get what you pay for." That's often true - especially in the home consumer market you mostly get crap, this is what you pay for. But in some cases, you can't control _what_ you get just per payment, means: Just because it's more expensive does NOT mean it's better than the cheaper competitor product. Money is not the selective means here. Knowledge is. Gaining that knowledge is an investment of time that traditionally pays in the end. Some have to learn that the hard way. > By the way, calling me a Fascist when a significant number of users > of Open Source are socialist is rather funny. Can you show me some evidences that proof that "a significant number of users of Open Source are socialist" please? Or may I simply dismiss this statement as a claim with _no_ backup? Really man... I'd like to know where you got THAT stupid idea from... Because I think it is wrong. Do you call big companies and small businesses socialist because they employ, let's say Linux, as the basis of their business, which is to "make money"... would you call them socialist? I'd say they're capitalist, as they're acting on a free market where they _choose_ the best product for a particular job, and the fact that this product can be purchased for free does not turn the business into a giveaway charity club! So using open source products (or let's generalize: free software) is often the _better_ solution for a capitalist (that's anyone who doesn't want to give money away for crap, as it doesn't pay!), because it maximizes revenue when you have to spend less money on software that doesn't do the job. Remember: it's ALWAYS about a particular job getting done, a requirement or a need that selects _which_ software gets purchased -- for $$$ or for 0. That has NOTHING do do with socialism. Please try to consolidate your terminology. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:27:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26D7106566C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CD58FC19 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9SMR3HY075510 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:27:03 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400 Jerry supersciliously ponftificated: > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry > > pontificated: > > > > > > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. > > > My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the > > > local pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those > > > best able to supply them, the OEM. > > > > "I am just going to reply to this one point because it is where > > you(sic) entire argument breaks down." > > > > That attitude is entirely acceptable for _your_ decision making. > > Asserting that nobody else shoul(sic) have any other alternatives to > > what you think is 'acceptable' is downright fascist. > > Who, or is it whom you choose to be your supplier is entirely a > decision you have to make based on your needs and desires. My point is > that anyone offering such products should be to some degree held > legally responsible to their worth. Of course, _every_ piece of freeware comes with a 100% satisfaction guarantee. If you don't like it, for _any_reason_whatsoever_, your money will be immediately refunded, in full. You don't even have to return the (in your view) "defective", product -- or even stop using it. > A "Fly by Night" operation is > totally unacceptable to me. If you find it acceptable then so be it. > Remember the adage: "You get what you pay for." > > By the way, calling me a Fascist when a significant number of users > of Open Source are socialist is rather funny. What 'some others' are, and what _you_ are, are unrelated subjects. Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some degree held legally responsible to their worth" -- is a fascist mind-set. You 'know better' than anybody else, what is 'right' _for_ them. BTW, I'd _love_ to see Microsoft "held legally respnsible" for _their_ product shortcomings. They'd be out of business in a week at the outside. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:28:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1B2106564A for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (cruwe.de [188.40.164.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060EE8FC0C for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruwe.de (unknown [127.0.0.4]) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574F528480 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cruwe.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3DAF62847F; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail.cruwe.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from dijkstra (p5B37AABB.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.170.187]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59F212847D for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:28:02 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111029002802.767a536e@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> References: <20111028160419.14aa5bb3@scorpio> <201110282135.p9SLZK80075050@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on mail.cruwe.de using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:14 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi articulated: >=20 > >=20 > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry > > pontificated: > > > > > > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. > > > My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the > > > local pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those > > > best able to supply them, the OEM. > >=20 > > "I am just going to reply to this one point because it is where > > you(sic) entire argument breaks down." > >=20 > > That attitude is entirely acceptable for _your_ decision making. > > Asserting that nobody else shoul(sic) have any other alternatives to > > what you think is 'acceptable' is downright fascist. >=20 > Who, or is it whom you choose to be your supplier is entirely a > decision you have to make based on your needs and desires. My point is > that anyone offering such products should be to some degree held > legally responsible to their worth. A "Fly by Night" operation is > totally unacceptable to me. If you find it acceptable then so be it. > Remember the adage: "You get what you pay for." >=20 > By the way, calling me a Fascist when a significant number of users > of Open Source are socialist is rather funny. >=20 =46rom a point of view a political sciences theorist might assume, fascism an= d socialism are not that far apart. Both need to abolish individual liberti= es quite soon. Which is what you seem to claim ... abolish the right of the= individual to make contracts based on his/her terms. BTW, I do not believe that many open source users would accept a serious decline of their civil and legal liberty. So I do not believe many are really more than cherry-picking socialists, even if calling oneself socialist is somehow en vogue. We could debate anarchism, though, ... ;-) --=20 Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:33:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3E51065675 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A57B8FC17 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa02 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p9SMX3tO003422; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:33:15 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 10r40c82rn-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:33:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (10.14.152.54) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:33:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <20111028222410.GA4910@thought.org> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:33:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0A34FAB8-E576-4FD1-A414-506B84AB52FE@fisglobal.com> References: <20111028222410.GA4910@thought.org> To: Gary Kline X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.54] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-10-28_05:2011-10-28, 2011-10-28, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: header files?:: where? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:33:16 -0000 On Oct 28, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > yes, i'm still messing with my curses pgm and have made some > discoveries---among them, that xmodmap might be interferring with my > configuration. > > anyway, anybody know where the following headers might be found/ > > ---- > > #include "gen_defs.h" > #include "ciolib.h" > #include "curs_cio.h" Couldn't find any of those. > #include "keys.h" > #include "mouse.h" Maybe these are from the XFree86 source: HEAD/xc/lib/font/Speedo/keys.h HEAD/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/input/mouse/mouse.h NOTE: Here's the cvsup file I use to pull down XFree86 source... ==================== BEGIN xc-all.cvsup ==================== *default host=anoncvs.xfree86.org *default base=/usr/opshome/dteske/src/xfree86/HEAD *default prefix=/usr/opshome/dteske/src/xfree86/HEAD *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress cvs-base doctools-all contrib-all utils-all xtest-all xc-all ==================== END xc-all.cvsup ==================== > #include "vidmodes.h" Couldn't find this one. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:34:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5268B1065673 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CD88FC12 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9SMY499075574 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:34:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:34:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110282234.p9SMY499075574@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111028222410.GA4910@thought.org> Subject: Re: header files?:: where? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:34:04 -0000 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:24:13 -0700 > From: Gary Kline > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: header files?:: where? > > > yes, i'm still messing with my curses pgm and have made some > discoveries---among them, that xmodmap might be interferring with my > configuration. > > anyway, anybody know where the following headers might be found/ > #include "gen_defs.h" > #include "ciolib.h" > #include "curs_cio.h" > #include "keys.h" > #include "mouse.h" > #include "vidmodes.h" The fact that they're in double-quotes indicates that they should be in the working directory or somewhere that must be specified by an '-I' on the compile line. Anything that is 'expected' to be in the 'standard' #include hierearchy is put in angle-brackets instead of double-quotes. Therefore, 'RFTM' is _the_ answer to figuring out where they 'should' be found. 'Somewhere" there are directions about using those headers, which will tell you about where they are to be found. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 28 22:45:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF580106567D for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:45:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903E48FC14 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93B31E1B7 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9SMixsJ002861 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20111029004459.71c6befa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:45:00 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and > denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the > matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some degree > held legally responsible to their worth" -- is a fascist mind-set. > You 'know better' than anybody else, what is 'right' _for_ them. There is a market for those who don't want to think before buying, who just want to buy, who want to be told what's the "right way". In a free society, it's also a freedom to give up the individual choice, as strange as it sounds. By spending more money, customers are able to "buy theirselves free" from doubt and fear. I admit that this attitude shares aspects of a typical belief or even religion. This concept runs the thing we currently call the "self-controlling market". > BTW, I'd _love_ to see Microsoft "held legally respnsible" for _their_ > product shortcomings. They'd be out of business in a week at the outside. Would benefiting a healthy and free market, which means real capitalism (not the stage show we're experiencing today). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 00:36:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DD61065670 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19808FC20 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p9T0arpD016446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p9T0arUY016445; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA05029; Fri, 28 Oct 11 17:25:21 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:23:56 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wblock@wonkity.com Message-Id: <4eabaa0c.mUEkZVfFc0vWrFDA%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <23575.1319749979@tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:36:57 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The > program stops responding to further input until the printer has > received the entire print job. This bothered people enough that > they came up with lpd/lpr ... Back when lpr/lpd were first written, it was not just a matter of the printer "receiving" the entire print job but of (nearly) the entire job being completely printed. Few printers had more than a one-line buffer in those days. There was also the matter of sharing the printer among a considerable number of concurrent users, those being the days of multiuser PDP-11's and VAXen. BTW there was nothing particularly innovative about lpr/lpd -- mainframes like IBM 360's and even 7090's had been using print spoolers for years. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 01:31:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1B5106564A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E51C8FC08 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9T1VOuV076508 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:31:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110290131.p9T1VOuV076508@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111029004459.71c6befa.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:31:23 -0000 On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200, Polytropon wrote > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and > > denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the > > matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some degree > > held legally responsible to their worth" -- is a fascist mind-set. > > You 'know better' than anybody else, what is 'right' _for_ them. > > There is a market for those who don't want to think > before buying, who just want to buy, who want to be > told what's the "right way". In a free society, it's > also a freedom to give up the individual choice, as > strange as it sounds. Yup. No argument -- idiots are free to do as they chose. I, however, object -- *most*strenuously* -- when those self-same fascist idiots try to force -their- determination of what is 'right' on me. > > BTW, I'd _love_ to see Microsoft "held legally respnsible" for _their_ > > product shortcomings. They'd be out of business in a week at the outside. > > Would benefiting a healthy and free market, which > means real capitalism (not the stage show we're > experiencing today). :-) > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 03:36:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839F106564A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 03:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7578FC0C for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 03:36:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1319858181; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=piIkoG83kuZ6GYNpYmQDuY8HugE=; b=d1EMW89tqMhbdeDVgNy4LZ1elxbgjn4YFQpkTRgQmjpxRUYovRwxv+scKyftG/aD PpMV1Z4buFupTTsj6wZ1nbaFNOAmxOA+2gknRGKLkRzG9W496A/jbQIuMxK3njkL; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=V7X/IJbi c=1 sm=0 a=a/P5tPG/gauUGfzOFWZFVw==:17 a=sywHOKDQNsIA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hKNOJcEOAAAA:8 a=MuQI5dkTAAAA:8 a=Yucq2wABAAAA:8 a=C5es1gmsjFJICIFzuY0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=r6yUyBKZ7RIA:10 a=--HJk1m7dRcA:10 a=a/P5tPG/gauUGfzOFWZFVw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.52.185.63] ([71.52.185.63:61475] helo=tv.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTPA id D0/D8-05536-5007BAE4; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:16:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:16:20 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Message-Id: <20111028231620.4f627eef.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 03:36:24 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:28:30 -0700 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > > > This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some > information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled) > because it may benefit some folks, other than just me. > > I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS. (I would say that I hate > it, but I don't actually feel that strongly.) > > I have two personal workstations. When I say "personal" I mean it. I'm > the only one who ever touches them. I think I have over 50 ports depending on CUPS in one way or another.. but I've never configured or knowingly used CUPS. The easiest way I've found for printing is ports/print/apsfilter. It seems to support a lot of printers and has a configuration script that generates the /etc/printcap file. There is a guide at http://www.freebsddiary.org/apsfilter.php Take a look at http://www.apsfilter.org/ for detailed information. Randy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 04:12:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6551065670 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor1.peak.org (redcondor1.peak.org [69.59.192.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA878FC14 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by redcondor1.peak.org ({e03e86cd-14ae-47ce-9578-3c080ce9c462}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20111029041258097 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:12:58 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6A39489003 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFB861F71 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3202BFD6 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9T4Ctkl072870; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1319819884.93776.YahooMailNeo@web160115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1319819884.93776.YahooMailNeo@web160115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> (Unga's message of "Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:38:04 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87obx0306w.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:12:59 -0000 Unga writes: > Hi all > > Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux? > > I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs > Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot > recognise the file system type. > > Any help in this regard is very much appreciated. It isn't very difficult and there are at least two ways to do it. Grub1 actually does support ffs and ufs2 file systems, but the linux distributions don't seem to include the drivers. If you can get the source, that should have all of them. I think that I just got the grub package from the FreeBSD file system and copied the additional drivers directly into my linux grub directory, but I am not sure now. The other way is to use the 'chainloader' command. You just specify the disk and partition (slice) with the root command, and then add the commands 'chainloader +1' and 'boot'. The chainloader command just means to boot whatever is at the first sector of the previously specified disk and slice. I think the first sector of a ufs2 file system just jumps to the loader. The menu items from mine are just: title FreeBSD /boot/loader root (hd1,2,a) kernel /boot/loader boot title FreeBSD chainloader root (hd1,2) chainloader +1 boot In my case, those specifies that they use the third slice on the second disk. The first menu item requires that you already have the 'ufs2_stage1_5' file in your grub directory. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 04:57:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73C7106566C for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A858FC14 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:47:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-111-140.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.111.140]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20111029044708H0400is72ge>; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:47:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.111.140] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <1319819884.93776.YahooMailNeo@web160115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20111029045714.B73C7106566C@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:57:14 -0000 > Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux? > I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file system +type. > Any help in this regard is very much appreciated. > Many thanks in advance. > Unga Not yet, but I intend to, once I get Linux built and installed, possibly starting with a cross-compile from FreeBSD 9. On my older computer, i386 (32-bit), I dual-boot FreeBSD 8.2 and Linux (Slackware) using LILO, also FreeDOS on another hard disk, can even boot grub4dos and Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager from LILO. Can you use rootnoverify with grub1 (you must mean grub 0.97)? You could also try grub2, which is in the ports under sysutils. Is your hard disk partitioned MBR or GPT? My hard disk is partitioned GPT, I still can't boot the hard disk directly, but using the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org/), I go to the Super Grub Disk in the floppy images, hit c to get to command prompt, and set root=(hd0,3) kfreebsd /boot/loader boot You would use the actual FreeBSD partition which will probably be different from (hd0,3). Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 05:58:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E911065676 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 029D78FC16 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 05:58:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.218] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 05:58:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 05:58:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 220789.55404.bm@omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57744 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2011 05:58:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1319867894; bh=42DY3JRErgvCWkHSeNGWEGVdBgPMScQqUDYJZusEUVA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eurvW2sNceG5K8wKbAA04tFnjFY5izgdc3hGfEwAbvDedxp41sGrlVUPGXqMgTNZodcKQtPi9FGFxJy/+XFqBHVwH2NG5fnvN8DEpes4YxjKgPaMWTJh5Mh5He8fDv//F+MY1uJPj55ghdh/f/JNpbPK3/zSL3sJGEUtivuK+b0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o0ULW6b5vxZdrG9BSe96DeW8frp1/lKJOUU8o//kfPRLQou+uJ+rRPVwkJ6DdfuiTVJtew/mVovyoiaCq8onZ6AGl576GIA4QocfjlPFbx0ikMr6Xnyz5OlwNNpC98N3AzaxNd7KEFxPjxP5/34602qGuPkPKsqTZUQICyty37w=; X-YMail-OSG: qjWDMMgVM1lpMAth_G6dkxcBjNJTZSQwCdh9isHeyeB.JHe zqk857ZN0YAZ7EtydgA1Canc5ZeV_6KcA7zWnWEYFgeEDLc.LztsIdEcEy7y q8N1FKz9_pCJSS0CpmV5E3KSq6uOp_RdQ1JAEKBR10f_vZTrH7kbO5bayx8s _U6rJjXWWFxoBaHBiJvnpw27rXExVXamKUkAIEsHnnSSpk2dnbsxL9gK1hO. 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[ SOLVED] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Unga List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:58:15 -0000 ----- Original Message -----=0A=0A> From: Carl Johnson =0A>= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent: Saturday, October 29,= 2011 4:12 AM=0A> Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?=0A> = =0A> Unga writes:=0A> =0A>> Hi all=0A>> =0A>> Is any = one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?=0A>> =0A>> I ha= ve tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs=0A>> Grub1 t= o mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot=0A>> recognise t= he file system type.=0A>> =0A>> Any help in this regard is very much appre= ciated.=0A> =0A> It isn't very difficult and there are at least two ways to= do it.=0A> Grub1 actually does support ffs and ufs2 file systems, but the = linux=0A> distributions don't seem to include the drivers.=A0 If you can ge= t the=0A> source, that should have all of them.=A0 I think that I just got = the grub=0A> package from the FreeBSD file system and copied the additional= drivers=0A> directly into my linux grub directory, but I am not sure now.= =0A> =0A> The other way is to use the 'chainloader' command.=A0 You just sp= ecify the=0A> disk and partition (slice) with the root command, and then ad= d the=0A> commands 'chainloader +1' and 'boot'.=A0 The chainloader command = =0A> just=0A> means to boot whatever is at the first sector of the previous= ly=0A> specified disk and slice.=A0 I think the first sector of a ufs2 file= =0A> system just jumps to the loader.=0A> =0A> The menu items from mine are= just:=0A> =0A> title=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 FreeBSD /boot/loader=0A> root=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (hd1,2,a)=0A> kernel=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 /boot/loader=0A= > boot=0A> =0A> title=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 FreeBSD chainloader=0A> root=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (hd1,2)=0A> chainloader=A0 =A0 +1=0A> boot=0A> =0A> In= my case, those specifies that they use the third slice on the second=0A> d= isk.=A0 The first menu item requires that you already have the=0A> 'ufs2_st= age1_5' file in your grub directory.=0A> =0A=0AHi Carl=0A=0AThank you very = much for the reply.=0A=0AYour second method (ie. chainloader) worked, but t= he grub still say file system type is unknown.=0A=0AThe ufs2_stage1_5 is av= ailable in /boot/grub/.=0A=0ASince now I can have a working dual boot with = Linux, I conclude this is solved.=0A=0ABest regards=0AUnga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 06:05:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B54106566B for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:05:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 311FA8FC0A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 06:05:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 06:05:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 06:05:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 350036.23832.bm@omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 27963 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2011 06:05:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1319868324; bh=fM5CH79bju48jfXUrDbW7pKvzqAMxbbXQe1BtB3NGOs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pyg65kg9v3rEYZRq/yHPjAwD+CFKutamcC6s1TvDh7NSUyFB7M1PDa7sRxJvONq9AmGpHd5An9Oa2DysphA2ytYMIpHbld+r34SWxDUN8c+CvJN2TGd+vL0gZCAauYBzh8QF+ZZRvDwz06/XGb9gAy4WrNoDA+KhAtim22UHvqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0Y42EpyeznyJ/gl0Tv2p3qFBS54yHbra9a8uHsriGgBN0ZhljK41E0sZTshgBqTYVmIjd4uSteSCUIln+koKtiJYOB0dx6rthyY1z29xdjnRjNO7bKzw1gogno53irU3kFVXSEiqel+aqxms3j8ewXLcAWG18h2dR3YXqH5h/84=; X-YMail-OSG: oVTRDr4VM1m9BUcWK664ZkhDML4Mn_7wMhNlZUzF1V71J_u BFC9jPCOzcrGZ4DlDzdnue7WB0rEI49IVfJVXyRpNOqJu0f7t_5eRra4Lb_C PEyioXgB9G8l1RTUPJGFR.gEfhdte5VI8k7_UFDNcToRtwJSBlxFS2P.5eoX eMT36m_vYHgOig3cgZpESR8qVn_MKrUWw3SjlOpirf9sV9L0qy0r5urXERfX pwUGZ3YBNewDH2Rwn07etaEDPneb85hJUcgLtehTuXUpI3x4g5nwGMdQnMWj 9Dp6zefc40JVD8XejALzGpc0dAFCW6Xsv2G67.xp_AxycJ4G3MsXHcExrljf 30TeE0HrbqsuI_.jnrarWu.1vRGuQkOVYk4bQx_rRXDZ2ZPpTZHa9OmEtytb gj1GbV.WeiOu2HNOkP.Z.IqbEfzI_RkAj8FUzC0Zl5AMcgxFrb4B2vOASOb6 pyQ1JJfkrKJpFKDpLqkK3Cg7LRcZ48a4O.OqHbkRIJtkUV6mj5cQJyzNWY3A NEiD.uT0_kYFFTA7BbTyuBUBNeHgXC9o6aXEltKxJxW1IOQ-- Received: from [121.7.30.108] by web160113.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:05:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1319819884.93776.YahooMailNeo@web160115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20111029045714.B73C7106566C@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <1319868323.27672.YahooMailNeo@web160113.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" In-Reply-To: <20111029045714.B73C7106566C@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Unga List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:05:25 -0000 ----- Original Message -----=0A=0A> From: Thomas Mueller =0A> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent: Saturday= , October 29, 2011 4:47 AM=0A> Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with= Linux?=0A> =0A>> Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 wi= th Linux?=0A> =0A>> I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSu= se installs Grub1 to =0A> mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It = cannot recognise the file =0A> system=0A> +type.=0A> =0A>> Any help in thi= s regard is very much appreciated.=0A> =0A>> Many thanks in advance.=0A> = =0A>> Unga=0A> =0A> Not yet, but I intend to, once I get Linux built and i= nstalled, possibly =0A> starting with a cross-compile from FreeBSD 9.=0A> = =0A> On my older computer, i386 (32-bit), I dual-boot FreeBSD 8.2 and Linux= =0A> (Slackware) using LILO, also FreeDOS on another hard disk, can even b= oot =0A> grub4dos and Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager from LILO.=0A= > =0A> Can you use rootnoverify with grub1 (you must mean grub 0.97)?=0A> = =0AYes, it is 0.97. =0A=0A> You could also try grub2, which is in the ports= under sysutils.=0A> =0A> Is your hard disk partitioned MBR or GPT?=0A> =0A= =0AIts MBR.=0A=0A> My hard disk is partitioned GPT, I still can't boot the = hard disk directly, =0A> but using the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.o= rg/), I go to the Super Grub =0A> Disk in the floppy images, hit c to get t= o command prompt, and=0A> =0A> set root=3D(hd0,3)=0A> kfreebsd /boot/loader= =0A> boot=0A> =0A> You would use the actual FreeBSD partition which will pr= obably be different from =0A> (hd0,3).=0A> =0A> Tom=0A> =0A=0ATom,=A0 thank= s for the reply. I managed to get both OpenSUSE 11.4 and FreeBSD 9 dual-boo= t on i386 desktop computer.=0A=0AUnga=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 07:39:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DF6106564A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DA58FC0A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:39:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-111-140.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.111.140]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20111029073920H0600a781ne>; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:39:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.111.140] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20111028081055.4A5B3106564A@hub.freebsd.org> <20111028063620.3b5304d2@scorpio> Message-Id: <20111029073923.26DF6106564A@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:39:23 -0000 > > Then I have to portupgrade hplip and dependencies (portupgrade > > -r ...) or the portmaster equivalent. > Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is > the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or > just self-flagellation? > -- > Jerry ??? > jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net This is not for any current employment (future?), so I guess it would be self-flagellation. But I do want to try the Ethernet way, may need to buy an Ethernet switch or router. I also intend to build a Linux installation, don't really want to be without that. Linux has the best hardware and software support of any open-source OS; I don't think there is any argument about that: not to downgrade FreeBSD. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 11:28:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD611065740 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E78FC16 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so5869470ywt.13 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.126.52 with SMTP id a40mr8094161yhi.125.1319887708507; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z23sm7907745yhj.3.2011.10.29.04.28.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SW07s6vDGz2CG4g for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111029072824.76540c54@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:28:29 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and > denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on > the matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some > degree held legally responsible to their worth" -- is a fascist > mind-set. You 'know better' than anybody else, what is 'right' _for_ > them. > > BTW, I'd _love_ to see Microsoft "held legally respnsible" for _their_ > product shortcomings. They'd be out of business in a week at the > outside. Once again your argument is pathetic. Microsoft has been held legally responsible by laws written to curtail the robber barons (railroad & oil) of the 19 and early 20th century.) Of course the EC, or is that the USSREC, strongly backed (pushed) by Opera, a maker of a web browser so pathetic that in two years a new upstart, "Chrome" actually has a larger market share, led a fight to curtail Microsoft's market share. This is Fascism at its best. A totally free and open market is the best way to insure the survival of the fittest. Of course socialists cannot survive in that environment and rush off to find ways of getting governments involved in protecting their turf. I have absolutely no problem with holding Microsoft legally responsible when they release a product with a bug or security flaw. However, this must be enforced across the board and against every entity that releases software irregardless of its price. It should probably even include "port maintainers" who release defective ports. Lets be honest, if that is even possible for a socialist like yourself, that if you want to go down that road then lets go -- all the way. Microsoft's very existence depends on its ability to create an operating system that allows users to fully use programming and devices that they choose to deploy. If they cannot achieve that goal then they die, or else have a market share equivalent to FreeBSD, virtually undetectable. Microsoft has done a fairly good job of that. FreeBSD, an the other non-windows operating systems, have not achieved that goal although a few forward thinking developers like those associated with Ubuntu have made huge strides in that direction. When it comes to technological advances, FreeBSD is at the bottom of the list. It is there primarily because of people who are simply willing to accept inferiority as the norm. I know I piss people off by my style of writing. I am just not the sort of person, a socialist primarily, who bends over and takes it up the ass everyday rather than say "ENOUGH, lets fix this friggin mess." You cannot even get a decent "N - protocol" wireless device, or even a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the hell are they waiting for -- the second coming of the invisible man in the sky? Friggin PATHETIC. However, our esteemed leadership has managed to bump the version numbers from at least 6 to the soon to be 9 and we still have no working solution for an easy method of securing and installing printer drivers, or any drivers for that matter. Having to modify obscure system files and settings to get a simple sound card to work is always a PLUS. Pathetically enough, there are users who do actually feel that way. Microsoft sells it products for money -- in some cases a lot of money. FreeBSD and the open-source community as a whole (hole?) gives it away. Yet Microsoft controls over 90% of the home market. That alone proves my point. You cannot crate an inferior product and expect the general population to use it simply because you give it away? This discussion has gone on long enough and I am already bored by it. There are some posters like Poly who, while I am aware of his deeply rooted socialist concepts does actually raise some really useful ideas and actually to some degree attempts to qualify them. At the very least, he is willing to discuss them -- something extremely rare in this arena. Then there are posters like Chad who simply spews the company line -- Microsoft is bad, we are good, the corporations owe us, bla bla bla. You cannot hold an intelligent conversation with them because their mind is closed. I know that as would anyone who reads this forum with an open mind. Then Robert, there is you. A perfect example of a large majority of users here who would rather bend over every day and smile as it is rammed up your ass rather than scream, ENOUGH ALL READY -- LETS FIX THIS FRIGGIN MESS NOW!. You Robert are the reason that FreeBSD and to a large extent other non-windows OSs are trailing the pack. You have been brain washed to believe that inferiority is the norm and to accept it. Like a good little socialist you have fallen in line. The problem with that philosophy Robert is if you are not the lead dog, the view never changes. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 11:36:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A2610656D0 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from james@phillipsjk.ca) Received: from matrix.reg.ca (www.reg.ca [66.196.36.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032768FC14 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from workhorse.inet (router@dhcp602-2-143.dsl.ucc-net.ca [216.86.107.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by matrix.reg.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p9TB4PkW001622 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:04:26 -0700 Received: from james by workhorse.inet with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RK6fF-0001L6-R3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:01:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:01:25 -0600 From: freebsd-questions@phillipsjk.ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111029110125.GA5140@workhorse.inet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.4 (matrix.reg.ca [66.196.36.20]); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Abstraction leakage burning test DVD+R X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:36:34 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, After my dump/restore test failed back in May of 2010[1], I finally got=20 around to burning a test DVD after installing about 2.5 inches of=20 semi-rigid foam under the machine to dampen any local vibration. In designing the test, I was under the mistaken impression that buffer=20 under-runs would reduce the amount of space for writing. Apparently,=20 DVD+R media supports loss-less linking[2]. Test Procedure (using ATAPI interface, rather than the newer ATAPI/CAM=20 interface). The man pages do not imply any major differences for this=20 test. The drive in question is a LG drive with the SuperMulti logo. Test procedure: 1.# mkfifo auxout aux45G 2. In other terminals: # cat auxout | md5 # dd if=3Daux45G count=3D2197266 bs=3D2048 | md5 3. Write test disk: # dd if=3D/dev/urandom bs=3D2048 count=3D2295104 | \ tee auxout aux45G | dd of=3D/dev/acd0 bs=3D2048 Error: dd:/dev/acd0: Input/output error 679+0 records in 678+0 records out 1388544 bytes transferred in 80.97 seconds=20 (step 4 not completed due to premature burn failure after 684=20 blocks, 80 seconds (from 'dd if=3Daux45G'...) (15743 bytes/sec)) Drive spun up at least twice during this time. 4. Read test (in another term 'cat aux45G | md5') # dd if=3D/dev/acd0 bs=3D2048 count=3D2295104 | tee aux45G | md5 Questions: Currently, the drive is locked. Before forcefully ejecting it and=20 risking an new disk, I want to know what may have gone wrong. Was=20 I expecting too much of FreeBSD on old hardware?=20 The hardware is a Pentium-II desktop machine with 256MB of RAM, with a=20 Promise ATA100 controller card. An extra-long 80-wire cable is in use=20 (to ad4). acd0: DVDR at ata-1-master UDMA33 ad4: 78167MB at ata-2-master UDMA100 dd if=3D/dev/urandom of=3D/home/test Wrote at 4485315 bytes/second: faster than I was expecting (based on=20 linux's slow urandom function), but still slow enough to cause buffer=20 under-runs. So the second question is: do I have to do anything special=20 to enable buffer underrun protection? (with DVD+R's lossless linking=20 feature, no data should be lost.) How important is running ATAPI/CAM? Obviously DVD burning was happening=20 before the release of version 8, as far as I know. If running out of data is supposed to be abstracted away, did I find a=20 bug that only shows up on old hardware or heavy load? (Or possibly drive=20 firmware bug?) Regards, James Phillips # uname -a FreeBSD dusty.inet 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21=20 15:48:17 UTC 2009 =20 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 [1] dump/restore (to DVD+R) test failure http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D290415+0+archive/2010/freebs= d-questions/20100530.freebsd-questions [2] Why DVD+R(W) is superior to DVD-R(W) http://www.myce.com/article/Why-DVDRW-is-superior-to-DVD-RW-203/ PS: is signing messages on the mailing list a faux-pas? --=20 OpenPGP Public Key: http://phillipsjk.ca/signature0611.txt --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFOq90FPPYMXhz9onsRAoymAJ4mf2X8f1Z88150dkoNuU1w5RpfkgCdHiih FoG2UgpsoF/KZvZACxBubR0= =vmrS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 12:33:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955B2106566C for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533998FC08 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RK865-0007v8-Rt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:33:13 +0200 Received: from a80-100-101-148.adsl.xs4all.nl ([80.100.101.148]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:33:13 +0200 Received: from huubvanniekerk by a80-100-101-148.adsl.xs4all.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:33:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: hvn Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 8 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: a80-100-101-148.adsl.xs4all.nl User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Subject: update packages by pkg_add X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:33:15 -0000 Hi, Using version 8.2, can somebody tell me how I can upgrade packages that I installed using pkg_add? I'm trying to install more packages but get messages that there are package-conflicts because of older installed version. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 13:31:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE38D106564A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495688FC0A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout03.plus.net with smtp id qd191h00J516WCc01d1ArD; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:01:10 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=R+SB6KtX c=1 sm=1 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=rLpCYgkgFLgA:10 a=EV8K-SF8bmwA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=WGNl82nC2xce5qE9nz0A:9 a=nazYSwmw7h50CUOzw4QA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RK8X6-0001Gv-Rf; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:01:09 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:01:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201110291401.08722.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: hvn Subject: Re: update packages by pkg_add X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:31:15 -0000 On Saturday 29 October 2011, hvn wrote: > Using version 8.2, can somebody tell me how I can upgrade packages > that I installed using pkg_add? I'm trying to install more packages > but get messages that there are package-conflicts because of older > installed version. pkg_delete -f name-of-package pkg_add name-of-package-file The pkg_delete command needs the full name of the package including the version number at the end. Since you're going to immediately re-install the package you don't need to worry about any warning messages saying that the package is needed by other packages. The above pkg_add command will install a package from a file that you've already downloaded. If you don't have the package file then you can fetch and install the package from an FTP site with the command: pkg_add -r name-of-package -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 15:50:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3795E106566B for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA45E8FC1A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9TFoKju017516 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9TFoKEp017513 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:50:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20111029072824.76540c54@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111029072824.76540c54@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:50:21 -0000 While political and economic issues are important, most of them are not directly relevant to the freebsd-questions mailing list, and reduce the usefulness of the list in helping people get answers to questions about FreeBSD. Please continue such subjects somewhere else, like private email or another mailing list. http://xkcd.com/386/ might also be helpful. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 15:52:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4296E106564A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE1B8FC08 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9TFq31G017539; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9TFq3lO017536; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:52:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: hvn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: update packages by pkg_add X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:52:04 -0000 On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, hvn wrote: > Using version 8.2, can somebody tell me how I can upgrade packages that I > installed using pkg_add? I'm trying to install more packages but get > messages that there are package-conflicts because of older installed > version. sysutils/bsdadminscripts has a pkg_upgrade script. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 16:17:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7CE1065798 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from huubvanniekerk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793EE8FC0C for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so6078036ggn.13 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:17:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ba+goMpWDijMjNSu4dnLgbsnxSsjIkLYye2LG7yDhU4=; b=if22I7mJqrMn1d8SmUQBThJPjOrsgid33b0ecfGZE69DU3sy/4hQ2Aqe4C3zqXuJHo B+ohH2+tsgnopDgU9w0OB/GqYVUxZKzXk4yZnvUJAhmDmpiySqSSjf6zsF2Td3+ALrdA rdrQtF71c9XFCKx+W7pKdwtg2Go+6w7Ub9ocQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.123.73 with SMTP id u49mr9267716yhh.88.1319903608895; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.202.35 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201110291401.08722.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> References: <201110291401.08722.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:53:28 +0200 Message-ID: From: Huub van Niekerk To: Mike Clarke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: update packages by pkg_add X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:17:50 -0000 On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Mike Clarke wrote: > On Saturday 29 October 2011, hvn wrote: > > > Using version 8.2, can somebody tell me how I can upgrade packages > > that I installed using pkg_add? I'm trying to install more packages > > but get messages that there are package-conflicts because of older > > installed version. > > pkg_delete -f name-of-package > pkg_add name-of-package-file > > The pkg_delete command needs the full name of the package including the > version number at the end. Since you're going to immediately re-install > the package you don't need to worry about any warning messages saying > that the package is needed by other packages. > > The above pkg_add command will install a package from a file that you've > already downloaded. If you don't have the package file then you can > fetch and install the package from an FTP site with the command: > > pkg_add -r name-of-package > > -- > Mike Clarke > Thank you for your answer. But how about if the package-to-be-replaced is a dependency? Just remember the dependency and do the same ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 17:58:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DE1106566B for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC8D8FC08 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-104-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.104.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D72024A79; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:58:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p9THw4kq004205; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:58:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:58:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Huub van Niekerk Message-Id: <20111029195804.f876fcff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201110291401.08722.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mike Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: update packages by pkg_add X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:58:07 -0000 On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:53:28 +0200, Huub van Niekerk wrote: > Thank you for your answer. But how about if the package-to-be-replaced is a > dependency? Just remember the dependency and do the same ? As you're going to reinstall the package immediately, there won't be a problem. Of course, a depending program won't properly run until you've actually replaced the package in question. For keeping track of dependencies, you can also use portmaster or portupgrade and use -P and -PP options to work with packages (like pkg_add does) instead of compiling from sources. The "pkgdb -aF" command will properly store dependency informations. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:09:00 -0000 Hi, I've installed Samba on my server to share some directories to Windows = machines. It is working very well.=0A=0ASince a couple of days, I noted the= whole server's performance was slow, then I started to check open ports, s= topped some services, until samba was the only service still working (my wi= fe's windows box had some shared files opened).=0A=0AI wonder if there's a = way to configure CIFS to speed this up.=0A=0ALeonardo. 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Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:31:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1319913062.65808.YahooMailNeo@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Strange httpd-error.log X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:31:03 -0000 Hi, I installed the Apache::MP3 module, to stream mp3 files, it works ok, b= ut I found this on my httpd-error.log:=0A=0A[Sat Oct 29 15:11:03 2011] [not= ice] Digest: generating secret for digest authentication ...=0A[Sat Oct 29 = 15:11:03 2011] [notice] Digest: done=0A[Sat Oct 29 15:11:04 2011] [notice] = mod_python: Creating 8 session mutexes based on 256 max processes and 0 max= threads.=0A[Sat Oct 29 15:11:04 2011] [notice] mod_python: using mutex_dir= ectory /tmp=0A[Sat Oct 29 15:11:04 2011] [notice] Apache/2.2.18 (FreeBSD) m= od_ssl/2.2.18 OpenSSL/0.9.8q DAV/2 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.6.5 PHP/5.3.6 = with Suhosin-Patch mod_perl/2.0.5 Perl/v5.10.1 configu=0AUsage: /usr/local/= sbin/httpd [-D name] [-d directory] [-f file]=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[-C "directive"] [-c "directive"]=0A=A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[-k start|restart|grace= ful|graceful-stop|stop]=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0[-v] [-V] [-h] [-l] [-L] [-t] [-T] [-S]=0AOptions:=0A=A0 -D name= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: define a name for use in directiv= es=0A=A0 -d directory =A0 =A0 =A0 : specify an alternate initial ServerRoot= =0A=A0 -f file =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: specify an alternate ServerConfigFi= le=0A=A0 -C "directive" =A0 =A0 : process directive before reading config f= iles=0A=A0 -c "directive" =A0 =A0 : process directive after reading config = files=0A=A0 -e level =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : show startup errors of level (se= e LogLevel)=0A=A0 -E file =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: log startup errors to fi= le=0A=A0 -v =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : show version number=0A=A0 -V = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : show compile settings=0A=A0 -h =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : list available command line options (this page)= =0A=A0 -l =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : list compiled in modules=0A=A0 = -L =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : list available configuration directive= s=0A=A0 -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS =A0: show parsed settings (currently only vhost s= ettings)=0A=A0 -S =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : a synonym for -t -D DUM= P_VHOSTS=0A=A0 -t -D DUMP_MODULES : show all loaded modules=0A=A0 -M =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_MODULES=0A=A0 -t =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : run syntax check for config files=0A=A0 -T = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : start without DocumentRoot(s) check=0A[Sa= t Oct 29 15:11:25 2011] Wav.pm: Inline::C installed, but your C compiler do= esn't seem to work with it=0A=0ADoes anyone knows how to fix this?.=0A=0ATh= anks in advance,=0ALeonardo. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 19:07:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197C6106566B for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD14D8FC0A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9TJ7mjW097509; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:07:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p9TJ7lXH097497; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:07:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111029195804.f876fcff.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <201110291401.08722.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <20111029195804.f876fcff.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Mike Clarke , Huub van Niekerk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: update packages by pkg_add X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:07:51 -0000 On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:53:28 +0200, Huub van Niekerk wrote: >> Thank you for your answer. But how about if the package-to-be-replaced is a >> dependency? Just remember the dependency and do the same ? > > As you're going to reinstall the package immediately, > there won't be a problem. Of course, a depending program > won't properly run until you've actually replaced the > package in question. > > For keeping track of dependencies, you can also use > portmaster or portupgrade and use -P and -PP options > to work with packages (like pkg_add does) instead of > compiling from sources. The "pkgdb -aF" command will > properly store dependency informations. If you are not familiar with portmaster or portupgrade, I would see if portmaster would do what you want. It is written in shell script and uses the underlying package/port files. For me it has worked well as long as I do not try to update KDE. Two other packages that are very helpful in updating are pkg_tree and pkg_cleanup. In addition, if part of your problems are perl, python and maybe php, there are make.conf variables to specify (in effect) that the versions installed should meet any dependency requirements. portdowngrade is very helpful if you have a component that is newer than what you need. I needed this to install kdiff3 a while ago. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 29 20:09:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08055106564A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:09:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2E98FC13 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p9TK9DCo083010 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:09:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:09:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201110292009.p9TK9DCo083010@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20111029072824.76540c54@scorpio> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:09:11 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 29 06:29:33 2011 > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and > > denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on > > the matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some > > degree held legally responsible to their worth" -- is a fascist > > mind-set. You 'know better' than anybody else, what is 'right' _for_ > > them. > > > > BTW, I'd _love_ to see Microsoft "held legally respnsible" for _their_ > > product shortcomings. They'd be out of business in a week at the > > outside. > > Once again your argument is pathetic. What argument is that? That you are trying to impose _your_ standards on on the world? That you would deny people the freedom to make up their own minds about whether they want vendor liability, versus accepting that risk for themselves? > This discussion has gone on long enough and I am already bored by it. [drivelectomy -- ad hominems, and fact-free ranting removed] Poor ignorant, ill-informed, Jerry. The fool doesn't know that there *is* an existing, absolutely 'standard -- meaning 'totally uniform across all versions of Unix, *AND* Unix look-alikes -- that is available to every printer vendor. Any printer manufacturer that so desires _can_ produce a *SINGLE* program source that will allow a 'host based' printer to work on _any_ Unix (or look-alike) platform. That program can be distributed as a single 'platform- independant' file, using any (platform independant) 'interpreted' language OF THEIR CHOICE -- e.g.Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, or anything similar -- or as a 'native' executable (although that would probably require compiling and linking on each environment) for optimum performance/efficiency. The entire specifications that this program must be written to are about eight lines long. Installation/use directions are even shorter: Put the file 'somewhere convenient' in the file system. Make sure it is marke 'executable' by all -- i.e. 'chmod a+x' Place the complete pathname of the installed file as the 'if' paramter in the '/etc/printcap' entry for the printer queue(s) for this printer, and set the 'lp' paramter to the name of the I/O port to which it is attached. Writing to -this- standard is a _lot_ of work. And it *is* understandable that very few printer manufacturers have done so. It is worth noting, though, that printer manufacturers _have_ done it. Lexmark did it for an early color ink-jet (the ZX-80), providing a SunOS host-based executable that provided, self-contained in the executable, a full "Color PostScript Level 3" 'driver' for that printer. A _far_simpler_ approach -- which *still* meets the requirements of 'not disclosing anything proprietary', and writing _one_ driver that works on all Unix systems -- is to write a 'device-driver' module for GhostScript. The _single_ source-code does have to be compiled for each supported CPU architecture, There is a theoretical 'worst case' of needing to produce as many as three object files ('a.out', ELF, and COFF format) for a given CPU architecture. I don't expect this to convince the frothing loon of anything. But it should demonstrate that his screaming screeds are not based in fact.