From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 15 16:46:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA15784 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:46:03 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA15779 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:45:57 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA02884 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 03:38:58 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 16 Oct 95 03:38:58 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.demos.ru (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA00551; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:37:17 +0300 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org, "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" References: <199510151905.PAA04897@exalt.x.org> In-Reply-To: <199510151905.PAA04897@exalt.x.org>; from "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" at Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:05:37 EST Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:37:17 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.40 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: A couple problems in FreeBSD 2.1.0-950922-SNAP Lines: 53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2412 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199510151905.PAA04897@exalt.x.org> Kaleb S. KEITHLEY writes: >> In message <199510151053.GAA03600@exalt.x.org> Kaleb S. KEITHLEY >> writes: >> >> >If I create a file that has extended ASCII (ISO8859-1) characters in the >> >name, ls always substitues a '?' for the non-ASCII characters. Note >> >that ls on, e.g. SVR4, does not do this >> >> Did you setenv ENABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE before calling ls? >> See environ(7) (-current). >For the most part stuff in -current might as well not exist as far as >I'm concerned. The X Consortium only supports released versions of any >particular OS, and then it officially only supports that same version >over the life of that particular release of X11. I'm already stretching >things as far as I can by running SNAP releases, and that's only because >I have faith that 2.1 will be real before our next release. (Not much of >a stretch really, our next release is months away.) It present since 2.0 and earlier. >That notwithstanding, I agree with Joerg, it's a hack and users shouldn't >have to resort to hacks to have things work correctly or reasonably, or >even reasonably correctly. I agree. My first idea was not introduce this hack, but I remeber some of core team members disagrees, so I add it. I can ether 1) Make it as default and not controlled by any variable. 2) Make it as default and controlled by DISABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE. >> >So I think the test isprint in ls really ought to be isgraph instead. >> >> It is a question. The only difference is space: isprint allows it and isgraph >> not. Does allowing spaces in file names considered bad? >> >In a separate context you cited the man page (and I think the man page is >wrong in that case.) Now I'm going to do the same thing. :-) The FreeBSD >man page for ls says that '?' is substituted for non-*graphical* characters >(and the SVR4 man page is in agreement. I wonder what POSIX says?) Since a I don't have Posix specs near me right now, so anybody with Posix please give more light on this subj. We need to follow Posix regardles of manpage/program or SVR4 currently does. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849