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Date:      Sat, 10 May 1997 14:55:45 -0500 (CDT)
From:      "Jay D. Nelson" <jdn@qiv.com>
To:        Steve Howe <un_x@anchorage.net>
Cc:        freebsd-questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Installation Problems
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.95.970510142316.3099A-100000@acp.qiv.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95q.970510103453.14457B-100000@aak.anchorage.net>

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On Sat, 10 May 1997, Steve Howe wrote:

->
->>         1. Some programs, as mentioned before, still don't work
->>            with the slice paradigm and need time to catch up.
->
->i don't know too much about slices.
->can anyone say something about them.
->they're probably cool, but i still consider them
->non-standard goo.  i assume they exist to partition

Ok, I'll bite. This may or may not be accurate, but it's the way I
understand the world. In a sense, it is non-standard goo, because it is a
term used to deal with the brain dead method Micros**t had to deal with
large drives. DOS (cursed spawn of CPM) is nothing more than what used to
be called a monitor -- a low level mechanism of dealing with hardware.
Remember -- it comes from an eight bit world. So what DOS must think of as
a partition is called a slice in FreeBSD to distinguish the peculiar way
of hacking a disk DOS uses to overcome address limitations, from a more
rational method of allocating a disk into filesystems.

Unix has never had large address space problems because it started as a 32
bit system. It took over a disk and divided it into "partitions" used for
file systems. Today, there are many people growing out of the notion that
computer technology comes from Redmond, WA. The term "slice" is nothing
more than a term used to ease the transition of folks moving to a more
capable operating environment.

->more than 4 partitions on a hard drive, but i don't
->understand why FBSD can't partition as many "normal"
->partitions as it wants, or why it would want more

It does have a limitation of 8 per disk.

->than 4 partitions per drive ...  does anyone think
->they are not a good idea?  ever ls /dev and see all
->the funky listings for slices?
->

See man fsck and man dump. Yes they are a good idea, and as you think
about the uses of a "filesystem" as opposed to gross "hunks", I think
you'll appreciate the distinction. Remember, also, that FreeBSD can use as
many disks as you have controllers and addresses.. 250+ Gb on your FreeBSD 
system is only a matter of money, power and enough slots.

Curiosity: any reason that 4 PCI slots with Ultra Wide controllers
couldn't deal with 570Gb? ( 15*4*9.5Gb )

-- Jay




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