From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 6 1:26:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9408C37B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B44843F93 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:26:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (qa7rs05vgsrtcb8n@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h169QPh9052606 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:26:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.org To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object In-Reply-To: <3E41CFED.45413F33@kuzbass.ru> Message-ID: <20030206005639.V40993@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030205171407.A15358@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20030205190345.GD42936@roark.gnf.org> <20030205140726.407e150a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3E41CFED.45413F33@kuzbass.ru> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [Please respect reply-to chat@freebsd.org, thanks] I'd like to make a point that I think is being overlooked here regarding exactly what a "commit bit" means. It simply means that the person has (essentially) unfettered access to commit code directly to the tree. For all intents and purposes, it's a matter of convenience. Personally, I was a contributor to the project for many years before people got tired of committing stuff for me, and they told me to do my own darn work. :) Unfortunately, for a number of complex reasons, some of which have been described publicly, and some of which are not appropriate to describe publicly, the core team decided that it's no longer appropriate for Matt to have this access to the cvs tree. This does _not_ mean that Matt's past contributions are not appreciated; or that future contributions, should he choose to make them, won't be welcomed. Matt's status in the project is exactly the same right now as the thousands of other contributors to the project who are not committers. Personally, I hope that Matt does choose to contribute to the project again in the future, but I respect his decision either way. Finally, I'd like to encourage everyone who thinks they have a contribution to make to give it their best shot. :) Don't make "getting a commit bit" your goal. If it turns out that having commit privileges is a good role for you, it will be thrust upon... I mean, offered to you. If not, don't be offended, or think we don't like you. Some of our most valued contributors don't have (usually because they don't want) one either. On the other hand, one sure way to irritate people is to focus on what you think the project "owes" you. You are owed exactly what we promised... namely all the pieces of the project; code, docs, ports, ideas, and technology (sorry, no fairings), all free for you to take and do with whatever you please. We definitely _try_ to make a system that is high quality, reliable, and responsive to the needs of our users (as we understand them). But at the end of the day, you get exactly what you paid for. And welcome to it. :) Hope this helps, Doug - -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QipByIakK9Wy8PsRAoDfAJ0R8bIOU+5naYNGwoPyNebplj2snQCgp1qG ku3PeKcBc+S5cSCK6CT8mIA= =UMAV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message