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[84.60.38.252]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a24sm1596150ejc.109.2020.06.18.00.08.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:07:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Roderick To: Michael Sierchio cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Infinite stupid threads ... 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I think, the purpose of technical mailing lists is not small talk, although a little of it may not distrurb. For small talk there are usenet groups, or forums like https://forums.freebsd.org I think Etiquette, fixed rules according to which one must behave, are not necessary for people with a little level of sensibility and empathy. Normaly, one takes emails seriously, at least more seriously than small talk forums, one reads every email, or is aware of every incomming mail. That is why I read emails in the order they arrive, I do not use threading with email. The infinite stupid "thoughtful discourse" disturbs and cause big damage to a list. Makes the mailing list less serious, people take emails less serious, concentrate less on what is being written, at the end filter them to trash or dev/null without even reading them. Rod.