Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:45:24 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: "A. Wilcox" <AWilcox@wilcox-tech.com> Cc: Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Doug Kirk <dbkirk@gmail.com>, FreeBSD X11 mailing list <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: DRM removal soon Message-ID: <CANCZdfqVrsqcSQsbbEJO0__E4H2wYgsP2yJhHhohc=KW4jEwnw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <fd6ed0d6-e700-af68-36ae-62fb1c2185d9@Wilcox-Tech.com> References: <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20190228194929.GA18747@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <201902282034.x1SKYWMi006337@slippy.cwsent.com> <20190228210635.GA31257@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <CAGhTqAXx-xBM6yP33DW5QRYVzexURy7asCd4HJgfCOShGPO4rw@mail.gmail.com> <20190228230701.GA59003@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <CAGhTqAVmrRedSpRf0w9zBgfzEpcLpxb=1wZjZ6%2Bdrm7E%2B2gM7A@mail.gmail.com> <20190301010303.GA59806@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <fd6ed0d6-e700-af68-36ae-62fb1c2185d9@Wilcox-Tech.com>
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 6:27 PM A. Wilcox <AWilcox@wilcox-tech.com> wrote: > On 02/28/19 19:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > > drm2 was removed from the base in the last few days. > > > > Cy Shubert has already started the conversation of now dropping > > drm-legacy-kmod. > > > > The FreeBSD project wants to move to pkg-base. Hopefully, > drm2/drm-legacy > > is not the shape of things to come. > It's certainly been a learning experience. > I'm sorry to be blunt, but after a month of this, can we all just admit > that FreeBSD does not care about, nor support, arches other than amd64? > I think this is a bit harsh. The project does care about other arch. We've put a crapton of a work into arm and arm64 for example. > Then all the fighting about this stuff can just be done, and people who > care about things other than new shiny garbage can work on projects that > agree with them. > The project has always had tension between the new and the old. Sometimes it has been beneficial, other times less so. The project needs to have the space to have these discussions, even if sometimes they go a bit far. In the end, a number of new things were learned about what was and wasn't working. We learned that drm2 never worked with PAE. We learned about -m32 to create 32-bit binaries, and that the FPU is programmed the same. We've learned the cost of keeping drm2 around is keeping obsolete xf86-ati-video drivers as well since the ABI of drm and xf86*video software has evolved beyond the level we had in drm2. So while this discussion has had some excesses, misinterpretations, grumpiness, hurt feelings, and frustration, it's also revealed many truths that weren't widely known before. We could do the former better, but the latter is undeniably a good thing. Warner
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