From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 00:02:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F8B16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:02:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9118743D41 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:02:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 29B2B51491; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:02:57 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Subhro Message-ID: <20041003000256.GA64736@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <001d01c4a883$f65bf3e0$f700000a@ape> <20041002134531.GB57007@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Markie cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:02:06 -0000 --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 03:27:02AM +0530, Subhro wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:45:31 +0200, Simon Barner wrote: > > Markie wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed that the 5.x series kernel compile times take= much > > > longer than that of the 4.x series? My friends 233MHz machine running= 4.x > > > finished a kernel compile before my 500MHz machine running 5.x a while > > > back. It seems to take forever? Is there a reason for this, or is it = just > > > me seeing this problem? >=20 > The reason why it takes longer to compile a 5.* kernel is the > difference in the architecture. The 5.* kernels handle the hardware > differently than the 4.* kernels. No, the previous poster was correct. It's mostly just gcc 3 being slower to compile code than gcc 2. > > FreeBSD 5 uses GCC 3.x as system compiler, whereas 4 is based on GCC > > 2.y. >=20 > Negative, the gcc 3.* compiler is used only in FreeBSD versions onwards 5= .3.=20 No, gcc 3.x was imported into FreeBSD 5.x a few years ago (you could check cvsweb if you want the exact date). Kris --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBX0GwWry0BWjoQKURAtqEAKCscPu4DyLU2ScZDjVZqqiD5EkvqwCeKWyX J/UA2Tz2EhqxIW6jqm4/bM8= =7cYX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 00:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA5916A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:26:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp19.wxs.nl (smtp19.wxs.nl [195.121.6.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB4143D4C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:26:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp19.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4Z00GYKFVB56@smtp19.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:26:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i930PxsS019196; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:25:59 +0200 Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by alex.lan (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i930PwWI019195; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:25:58 +0200 Content-return: prohibited Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:25:58 +0200 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <000301c4a8da$be743440$0b00a8c0@goudan> To: Feng Wang Message-id: <20041003002558.GA1111@alex.lan> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i References: <000301c4a8da$be743440$0b00a8c0@goudan> X-Authentication-warning: alex.lan: akruijff set sender to freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl using -f cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freebsd samba bug report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:26:02 -0000 On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 05:51:30PM -0600, Feng Wang wrote: > Dear Freebsd development team: > I found the samba server on freebsd corrupts my file under the following > conditions: > Put a large text file, in my case a fortran 77 source code, in unix format. > Open it using any text editor under windowxp. I tried ultraedit and compaq > visual fortran ide. > The file will be corrupted. I tried several large files on two different > drives. It is reproducible. > My samba server does not currupt the file if it is in dos format. > It also does not corrupt my other binary files. > > I am using freebsd 4.10 release. Hi, It doesn't seem that this bug is in any way related to FreeBSD. Samba is a thirth party software. You need to report this bug to the samba development team instead. www.samba.org i think. Secondly, if this bug was related to FreeBSD then you would still be in the wrong place. Bugs can be either submitted by the sendbug tool on you FreeBSD box or via the website www.freebsd.org. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 00:33:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065F416A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:33:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp17.wxs.nl (smtp17.wxs.nl [195.121.6.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C046C43D31 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:33:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp17.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4Z0096KG8FON@smtp17.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:33:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i930XpsS019268; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:33:51 +0200 Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by alex.lan (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i930Xooh019267; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:33:50 +0200 Content-return: prohibited Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:33:50 +0200 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <2ede6f320410020539602eb974@mail.gmail.com> To: Rae Message-id: <20041003003350.GB1111@alex.lan> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i References: <2ede6f320410020539602eb974@mail.gmail.com> X-Authentication-warning: alex.lan: akruijff set sender to freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl using -f cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "shutdown -p now" reboots my computer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:33:53 -0000 On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:39:12AM -0400, Rae wrote: > I'm using 5.2.1-Release > "shutdown -p now" command worked well couple of days ago. This also happens to me when I set my computer to wake up at any given time. If i don't do this then it happens from time to time. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 01:00:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED83116A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB9D543D41 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:00:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 1134 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Oct 2004 01:00:01 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 03 Oct 2004 03:00:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 02:59:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20041002231007.GA80368@skytrackercanada.com> In-Reply-To: <20041002231007.GA80368@skytrackercanada.com> X-OS: FreeBSD X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Country: Germany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410030259.59727.Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net> cc: David Banning cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apache - how to redirect page not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:00:04 -0000 --nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:10 schrieb David Banning: > I notice on some web sites when you try to load a page that does not > exist, it directs the users browser to another page. How do I set > that up in apache? Three different methods: =2DUse .htaccess, I dont have a syntax example handy. =2DUse the redirect directive in httpd.conf. Example: RedirectMatch permanent /dir1/*(.*)$ http://www.yoursite.com/dir2 =2DUse html refresh. Create the page which should get redirected with the=20 following content: --nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBX08PBylq0S4AzzwRAp2RAJ9DDo+41dy/fOi3ZA0pgYVaW2umUQCggJ2z 6POcWlyt91ukzgMxaZj4Zfc= =nC6W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 01:00:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F012816A4CF for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB84643D3F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:00:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 1134 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Oct 2004 01:00:01 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 03 Oct 2004 03:00:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 02:59:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20041002231007.GA80368@skytrackercanada.com> In-Reply-To: <20041002231007.GA80368@skytrackercanada.com> X-OS: FreeBSD X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Country: Germany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410030259.59727.Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net> cc: David Banning cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apache - how to redirect page not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:00:04 -0000 --nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:10 schrieb David Banning: > I notice on some web sites when you try to load a page that does not > exist, it directs the users browser to another page. How do I set > that up in apache? Three different methods: =2DUse .htaccess, I dont have a syntax example handy. =2DUse the redirect directive in httpd.conf. Example: RedirectMatch permanent /dir1/*(.*)$ http://www.yoursite.com/dir2 =2DUse html refresh. Create the page which should get redirected with the=20 following content: --nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBX08PBylq0S4AzzwRAp2RAJ9DDo+41dy/fOi3ZA0pgYVaW2umUQCggJ2z 6POcWlyt91ukzgMxaZj4Zfc= =nC6W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2245720.9CeiryvukT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 01:02:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E84816A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:02:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80BBB43D49 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:02:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 11475 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Oct 2004 01:02:55 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 03 Oct 2004 03:02:55 +0200 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:02:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20041002232713.GA31177@lupin.angrypanda.net> In-Reply-To: <20041002232713.GA31177@lupin.angrypanda.net> X-OS: FreeBSD X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Country: Germany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2473039.sp3mmZCyxZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410030302.52272.Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net> cc: Anthony Philipp Subject: Re: password files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:02:57 -0000 --nextPart2473039.sp3mmZCyxZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:27 schrieb Anthony Philipp: > Hello, > Which password files do I need to copy over so that the users will still /etc/master.passwd and /etc/group, then do 'pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd'. -Harry > all be there, and and the passwords will all be the same. Thanks for the > help Anthony Philipp > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --nextPart2473039.sp3mmZCyxZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBX0+8Bylq0S4AzzwRAiCcAJwKoxxqQcqsGThceErRJIl+1EOLUwCgiCxT UERsjEbgXJpeKV7ewHS//bA= =XYhw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2473039.sp3mmZCyxZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 01:54:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB55216A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:54:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lupin.angrypanda.net (adsl-69-212-103-57.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net [69.212.103.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC6943D3F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:54:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philipp1@lupin.angrypanda.net) Received: from lupin.angrypanda.net (localhost.angrypanda.net [127.0.0.1]) i931sTaV031563; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:54:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from philipp1@lupin.angrypanda.net) Received: (from philipp1@localhost) by lupin.angrypanda.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i931sNMJ031562; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:54:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from philipp1) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:54:23 -0500 From: Anthony Philipp To: Emanuel Strobl Message-ID: <20041003015423.GA31550@lupin.angrypanda.net> References: <20041002232713.GA31177@lupin.angrypanda.net> <200410030302.52272.Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410030302.52272.Emanuel.Strobl@gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: password files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:54:36 -0000 Alright thanks, Anthony On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 03:02:50AM +0200, Emanuel Strobl wrote: > Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:27 schrieb Anthony Philipp: > > Hello, > > Which password files do I need to copy over so that the users will still > > /etc/master.passwd and /etc/group, then do 'pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd'. > > -Harry > > > all be there, and and the passwords will all be the same. Thanks for the > > help Anthony Philipp > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 01:59:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAB816A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbox.allstream.net (outbox.allstream.net [207.245.244.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A7443D3F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:59:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from epilogue@allstream.net) Received: from localhost (mon-pq52-110.dial.allstream.net [216.123.132.110]) by outbox.allstream.net (Allstream MTA) with SMTP id 600C61BAFB9; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:59:31 -0400 From: epilogue To: Elwaleed Khafagy Message-Id: <20041002215931.7858ca80@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041002133323.GA30405@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20041001185712.36991.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <20041002133323.GA30405@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ask for information X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:59:42 -0000 On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:33:23 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:57:12AM -0700, Elwaleed Khafagy wrote: > > > i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD > > but i need some information . > > I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our > > company really need to know how to make free BSD > > support for arabic . > > we have informix database on our server and sometimes > > we need to use arabic . > > would you please tell me if there is a way to make > > free BSD support arabic you 'may' find the following site to be of 'some' assistance: http://www.arabeyes.org/ http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=FreeBSD-ports&PHPSESSID=25139c47d0473d132bf4461c4e42e6d1 hope that this helps, epi > As far as I can tell, there is no support for an Arabic language > locale in the base system. However many ports exist with Arabic > support -- eg. OpenOffice. There is an arabic category in the ports > -- mostly containing a number of Arabic fonts. > > I wasn't aware that Informix databases were available or supported > under FreeBSD -- perhaps this is a Linux version of Informix being run > under emulation? Anyhow, I'd expect that IBM as the vendors of > Informix software would be good people to ask about localization > support. I can state for certain that the two biggest free RDBMS > available -- MySQL and PostgeSQL -- both provide excellent support for > many different languages. > > Certainly, there is no problem with such things as hosting (or > viewing) Arabic language web sites under FreeBSD -- all of the web > application programming languages do support Arabic in principle, > although examples and localized documentation may be hard to come by. > > FreeBSD depends entirely on people donating their time and expertise > for all of its code development, web sites and documentation. As far > as I can see there is no ongoing project to translate FreeBSD > documentation and other material into Arabic, or to provide an Arabic > locale in the base system. However, anyone stepping forward and > volunteering to produce such things would be welcomed with open arms. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks > Savill Way > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow > Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH > UK > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 03:51:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FF916A4CF for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31D43D31 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:51:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20041003035130m9100iptrae>; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:51:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:50:28 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12-gtk2-20040622 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:51:32 -0000 This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear with me. I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using Unix-like operating systems for almost two years. I started with Red Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and selling their "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then switched to Debian before going to FreeBSD last March. I now also run NetBSD on one of my machines. Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS, seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of Unix. This has affected me to the point of me changing my career path. Before I got into these OSs, I wanted to get into radio. Now I'd rather either be a system administrator or run my own consulting business for entities that use these types of OSs. But herein lies the problem I've been having lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to become a system administrator, I came across this page: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain. It took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it looks like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to know. But now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own for fun, I have to learn other things I don't really have a need to learn for myself or that I want to, just so that I can apply that to oth er peoples' situations. The result is that lately learning these OSs has become more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still intimidated by what I need to learn to get to where I want to go. It almost seems like it's not worth it. Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people on this list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has experienced this, that learning new things in Unix-like OSs becomes more of a chore than something to do for fun. My question is, what advice would you have for dealing with this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 03:59:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2539A16A4CF for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:59:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C597B43D46 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:59:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so3738624rnk for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.126.4 with SMTP id y4mr1380567rnc; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.21 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:59:27 -0500 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: "doug@safeport.com" In-Reply-To: <20041002140750.L29827@pemaquid.safeport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041002140750.L29827@pemaquid.safeport.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A packages question. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:59:28 -0000 On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT), doug@safeport.com wrote: > Well actually its looking better and better. What's the worst that can happen? I > have done 'pkg_delete -a' now several times because removing one of the packages > for XFree86 4.3 and replacing it with the newer version removes xterm. While twm > is not my window manager of choice, it is better than the console. > > pkg_add -f -r package-name does not force the installation of 2nd level > dependencies. So installing kde 3.<{anything -gt 1}> means finding all the > dependencies such as imake, expat, ..., qt, ... and installing or forcing them > before going after kdelib and then kdebase which must be done in this order > (maybe not if all the lower level dependencies are met). > > I am going to try this just just for grins even though I suspect this will fail > and I will drop back for 4.10 because of one or more of the following > possibilities: > > 1) Xorg and XFree 86 have (inadvertently?) dropped support for the video > card used by my laptop. Due to its age, I suspect this is not a > pressing problem. To report the problem I need to reinstall one or > both to provide the information that either fails without an error. > > 2) Some where in the maturation of 5.x, the C++ compiler changes have > probably introduced changes in the BPI (if not the API) that may make it > impossible to run X-based packages without moving forward. This is > the supposition I think I am testing by trying to use kde 3.4 which > has been built with Xorg. > > 3) Buy a new PC is the wrong answer. > > 4) building KDE and every other X application on a 400MHz laptop is the wrong > answer. > > All of that was background so I could say this. Perhaps it is time to introduce > branches into the packages tree. The alternative (IMO) is to require that only > packages that were on the CD set when you burned or purchased it can be > installed. Like #3 above I believe this to be the wrong answer because its > greatly limits the population that will use FreeBSD as a workstation. > > After re-reading this, please do not consider this a rant. I love FreeBSD and > will solve my problem one way or the other, help now in the form of ideas would > be nice, but worst case, evenutally I will buy a newer PC. > > The idea here was to to float the idea of a branch in the package tree. > > > > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 doug@safeport.com wrote: > > > thanks - I will try it this way > > > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > > > While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad idea > > > (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package database. What > > > you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the packages. `pkg_add -f > > > ` > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), doug@safeport.com > > > wrote: > > > > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86 > > > > 4.3 works. > > > > > > > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see > > > > if I can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not > > > > work? Also if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or > > > > where this may be documented > > > > > > > > _____ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-469-8766 > Fax: 301-469-0601 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You're right that the freebsd package system should (in my opinion as well as yours) probably be updated to handle versions better. It's very interesting that xorg and xfree would have dropped support for your video card. Perhaps they just changed support? Besides the point, though. pkgdb is the tool for /manually/ editing the package database that resides in /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db If you look at update and force, you should be able to figure out the exact command. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 04:10:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE2616A4D1 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 04:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E1343D53 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 04:10:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so3738876rnk for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.77.44 with SMTP id z44mr5963065rna; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.21 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:09:59 -0500 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com In-Reply-To: <200410021545.07438.jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <415918AA.C4433D9D@sbhost.ro> <006301c4a557$6a387840$6e7dfea9@Shanelaptop> <200410021545.07438.jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pf for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 04:10:02 -0000 On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:45:07 -0500, Jay Moore wrote: > On Tuesday 28 September 2004 07:33 am, shane mullins wrote: > > << reformatted to correct top-posting >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > hello folks, > > > i want to install the packet filter for FreeBSD so i recompile the > > > kernel with the options : > > > Why not just run OpenBSD if you want to use pf? I use both Free and > > OpenBSD. But, pf is much easier to set up on OpenBSD. Just install > > OpenBSD, enable routing, enable pf in rc.conf and you are done. > > > > Shane > > Why not...? One reason might be that he is not a masochist. > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I hate to say this because I bear no hostility towards openBSD, but there are many reasons to opt for freebsd. I know I did when I just built a firewall. My reason was multiprocessor support. While FreeBSD on SMP is gorgeous and intricate, under oBSD, it is non-existant until next version. Further, I am more used to FreeBSD and adminning OS's that you are less used to is generally a bad idea when setting up machines. The hardware support for FreeBSD is also decidedly more vast than that of oBSD and the performance of fBSD generally faster. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 05:46:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BAA16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 05:46:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28DE43D5C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 05:46:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) i935k5q65353; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Dave Vollenweider" , "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 05:46:18 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dave > Vollenweider > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:50 PM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: When Unix Stops Being Fun > > > This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's > more of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, > so bear with me. > > I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been > using Unix-like operating systems for almost two years. I > started with Red Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and > selling their "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then > switched to Debian before going to FreeBSD last March. I now > also run NetBSD on one of my machines. > > Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS, > seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of Unix. This > has affected me to the point of me changing my career path. > Before I got into these OSs, I wanted to get into radio. Now I'd > rather either be a system administrator or run my own consulting > business for entities that use these types of OSs. But herein > lies the problem I've been having lately: while searching around > for what I'd need to know to become a system administrator, I > came across this page: > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 A fair overview of things to learn. I would say though that by the time you learned all these 'prerequisites' you would have no need for the course of study. Now, keep in mind this - this ISN'T a list of things that you need to MEMORIZE. Knowing how to do things is different than memorizing a sequence of key clicks or mouse clicks to make something happen. Many people are out there that could memorize exactly how to do everything on this list - but because they don't really know how to do them, if I came along and made one little change in a script or a program, they would be screwed. By contrast someone who knows how to do all these things can walk in and sit down at a version of UNIX that they have never touched, never heard of, never seen, and within 3-4 hours not only be able to do all these things, they could write instructions for the people that need to memorize how to do them. As an analogy - there's lots of people that know how to pull into a service station and add air to their car tires. But out of all those people that have learned how to do this only a tenth of them know that tire pressure rises when the tire gets warmer, and of those people, only another tenth WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD BE THE CASE IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT because they actually understand what gas pressure is. And if one of the people in that group had never added air in his life to a tire, and you told him to go do it, he would not only be able to go do it, he would be able to add exactly the correct amount of air needed for the tire. > and I'm > overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain. > It took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it > looks like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to > know. I've been working with FreeBSD since version 1 and 386BSD before that. Over 10 years now. I even wrote a book on FreeBSD that was published in 2000 titled The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide. (it's out of print now but you can still buy it off Amazon) I'm still scratching the surface. You need to understand 2 things. First, the UNIX field is so vast that no one person can learn everything there is to know about it, EVER. Second, the amount of NEW information in the UNIX field that is being created every year cannot possibly be absorbed by one person in a year, even if all they did was learn new things. This is how all of the really serious jobs/fields operate, it's no different with a doctor, auto mechanic, lawyer, etc. This is why if your good in these fields you get paid the big bucks. > But now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own > for fun, I have to learn other things I don't really have a need > to learn for myself or that I want to, just so that I can apply > that to oth > er peoples' situations. Well, yes. That's why they call it "work" Nobody is going to pay you money to work on your own stuff. They only pay you to work on THEIR stuff. If 50% of the time their stuff is in the same universe as your stuff, your doing a damn sight better than most people. > The result is that lately learning > these OSs has become more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm > still intimidated by what I need to learn to get to where I want > to go. Your never going to get where you want to go - not if your any good at it, that is. Take it from me. I've done everything that you say you want to do. By the time that you get to where I am, your not going to be satisfied being a mere systems administrator or consultant, not if your worth spit. I certainly wasn't. In other words, life is a series of goals - and when you get close to one of them, the next one after that becomes more important than the one your right next to. At least, that is how it works for anyone with any real ambition. > It almost seems like it's not worth it. Well, let me tell you this. When I'm 85 years old - and I'm still intending to be working with UNIX then assuming it's still around - and looking back over my life I will have the satisfaction of knowing that I have learned and forgotten more things in any given year of my life than most people have learned in their entire lives. Your only given 1 life, 1 mind, 1 brain. It's yours to choose what to do with. If you want to piss it all away spending your evenings watching reruns of "The Simpsons" that's no skin off anyone's nose. But, when the day comes that you say goodbye to this old world, I think you will probably think you were a fool. > Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people on > this list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has > experienced this, that learning new things in Unix-like OSs > becomes more of a chore than something to do for fun. My > question is, what advice would you have for dealing with this? You have to make a choice. Your not going to be able to make it immediately, of course, you will end up having to feel your way forward. And you probably won't realize exactly the day you make this choice. There's a lot of people in the world that are contented to learn only a certain number of things, and once they have learned them all, they feel they have "arrived" and they don't want to learn anything more. Instead they just want to use what they have learned to do the same job, over and over for the rest of their lives. Of course, periodically the world changes and disrupts these people's lives and they have to learn something new. Usually, they successfully do it and get back to their happy little ruts. Occassionally they don't then spend the rest of their lives moaning over the "good old days" but never amount to a hill of beans afterwords. But, the world ain't run by those people. The people that really make the world go around are the people who get wiser and wiser and wiser and learn more and more and more until comparing them to an ordinary person of the first kind, is like comparing an ordinary person to an infant. And even among the wise, there are the wisest of the wise who are so far in advance of the wise that comparing them to the wise is like comparing one of the wise to an ordinary person. And even among the wisest of the wise there are the ultra wise that... well I think you get the picture. Every person who grows up eventually comes to a point in their lives, often somewhere in their mid to late 20's, where they figure this out and are faced with the fact that they need to choose which world to live in. It's just your turn to make this choice now. I cannot help you to make this choise or advise you how to do it. Maybe you want to go on a quest, maybe you want to write a book, whatever. But I can tell you that if you choose to be numbered among the wise, that some of the work may still be a chore, but when you do it, your going to feel satisfied, which I think is probably in the long run better than feeling "happy". And after a while your going to find that your wanting to feel satisfied more than your wanting to feel happy. However, if you choose to be numbered among the ordinary, the one thing I can tell you is you should give up FreeBSD. The reason is that you have now reached the point where you can no longer be an "ordinary" FreeBSD user because the door has opened a crack and you have been able to look through this crack and seen what it's Really Like behind the curtain. This is something that many ordinary FreeBSD users never do, and because they really don't really understand what the real UNIX universe really looks like, they can pretend that they are doing something Really Useful with FreeBSD. Poor, lucky people that they are, they can still be "happy" with FreeBSD. You, gave that up when you looked through the crack in the door. Ted Mittelstaedt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 06:09:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540F116A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:09:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F2143D46 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:09:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steveb99@earthlink.net) Received: from w072.z064003114.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net ([64.3.114.72] helo=venice) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDzZ3-0005I3-GB; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:09:46 -0700 From: "steveb99" To: "'Dave Vollenweider'" , "'FreeBSD Questions'" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:09:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSo/Elo9Nf/bDQTQWyv+B1+bRHnGgADdyCw X-ELNK-Trace: 61319303532569511aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797f77edeee2f565dc52583bf30c02125d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.3.114.72 Message-Id: <20041003060946.23F2143D46@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:09:46 -0000 I think what you are going through is something people go through no matter what their career path is. I would say when you reach that point is when you have to decide is this something I want to do for the next n years. The first part of my life I was a musician and did all sorts of gigs from recording, touring, casuals. After many years I hit the same point you are at now. Music just became a job it wasn't fun anymore and that is when I got into computers. I hit the same point with computers after about four or five years and went back to music. After I year I was missing computer work and returned to IT work. I have been there ever since. That is about ten years now. I would say your doing the right thing, talking through it. If you like computers a lot maybe you just need to find a specialty to peak your interest and make it exciting again. If you are not sure you want to continue, well try something else out in the background and see if it excites you. Take some night classes in what you would like to do instead of being an SA. See if after a few months of classes and learning a new career if it still excites you. If it doesn't you haven't lost your job in the computer industry. Last some people a job is just a job, a way to pay the bills and make money so they can enjoy life when not at work. They become very good at what they do, and they keep there skills up to keep being a valuable employee. They do work they enjoy, but they don't look for work to excite them. They leave work and enjoy their family, friends, and hobbies. Maybe you fall into that category. Being an SA is just an job you enjoy and you need to find new things to do when off work that interest you. Good Luck, Steve B. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Dave Vollenweider > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:50 PM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: When Unix Stops Being Fun > > This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather > it's more of a request for moral support. This may seem > disjointed, so bear with me. > > I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've > been using Unix-like operating systems for almost two years. > I started with Red Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and > selling their "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then > switched to Debian before going to FreeBSD last March. I now > also run NetBSD on one of my machines. > > Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of > OS, seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of > Unix. This has affected me to the point of me changing my > career path. Before I got into these OSs, I wanted to get > into radio. Now I'd rather either be a system administrator > or run my own consulting business for entities that use these > types of OSs. But herein lies the problem I've been having > lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to > become a system administrator, I came across this page: > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm > overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to > gain. It took me almost two years to get to where I am > today, and it looks like I've barely scratched the surface of > what I'd need to know. But now, I feel like instead of > learning things on my own for fun, I have to learn other > things I don't really have a need to learn for myself or that > I want to, just so that I can apply that to oth er peoples' > situations. The result is that lately learning these OSs has > become more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still > intimidated by what I need to learn to get to where I want to > go. It almost seems like it's not worth it. > > Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people > on this list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has > experienced this, that learning new things in Unix-like OSs > becomes more of a chore than something to do for fun. My > question is, what advice would you have for dealing with this? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 06:11:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F516A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:11:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B503343D1F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:11:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) i936B7q65418; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:11:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Bart Silverstrim" , Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:11:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <6204B748-14AA-11D9-BD30-000D932C89A2@chrononomicon.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: IP address conflicts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:11:15 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Bart > Silverstrim > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:37 PM > To: > Subject: Re: IP address conflicts > > > > On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > The problem is that if the attacker has a modicum of intelligence they > > will have done this to someone elses' system. > > Yet you say this is taking place in colleges... :-) > ROTFL > > This is a college. For example, someone in a dorm room just surfing > > the web > > gets up to take a piss. As soon as they walk out the door and go down > > the > > hall, some joker down the hall runs into their room and in a few > > seconds > > changes the IP number of their PC to that of the mailserver then runs > > out. > > Bullshit like this happens all the time. > > Funny how just yesterday there was some slash story about users not > being careful with security. My systems this wouldn't be effective. > Screen saver is hot cornered and password protected. In the school > office, control-alt-del->k. When I was in college, there was this > thing where your "friends" would steal your mattress...mattress police. > They would hide it somewhere on campus. Never happened to my roommate > and I, because we carried our keys with us and locked the bedroom when > we weren't there (or in the living room connected to the hallway); no > reason to leave the door open if we weren't there, and our "community > belongings" were already outside of that room for the other roommates > and friends to use. > Yup. This is self-defense in any college setting, there's too many juveniles around. > We try to have a policy where I work where if your account is used to > do something against the rules, like browse porn, you must have given > that person your account password or you left your account logged in > and walked away. There's no way to prove who the body was sitting at > that console, so it is assumed to be you. You get in trouble for it. We try to have a policy where I work of what you call common courtesy. That is, the stuff on someone's desk is their property and if you have to touch it, you don't damage it. Every once in a while we run across someone who don't understand this, they get away with this for a while but sooner or later we reach out and fire them. Apparently, they all go to work at your place. > You allowed it, you were irresponsible, and you're going to get hassled > for it until you learn to take responsibility for your belongings > (including your identity) within reason. It is not unreasonable to > expect people to not give their passwords out and to log off of a > console when they're done using it. > I think the double negatives there are a bit too much for most people. It is unreasonable to expect people to have to act like they are in kindergarden when they are in the middle of a network room that has a sum total of 20 people who can access it, all of whom are paid more than 50K a year. Naturally, if your working with a system in an insecure area, you follow secure procedures. For example if your at a customer site you assume that their machine is infected with a key logger, and don't touch anything at the mothership that isn't password-aged regularly. Same goes if your traveling and using something like an Internet kiosk. But people should not have to be looking over their shoulders where they live, eat, sleep. This is a college, not a kindergarden. Your logic is of the variety of "well, the security scanners at the airports didn't do what they were supposed to be doing, so we deserved to have the WTC collapsed". In other words, it only appears on the surface to be reasonable, and that is because the problems don't involve people dying. But it is fatally flawed. If the world really operated like you seem to think, it would be anarchy. > Your reactions are your policies and your rules; if they work for you, > that's all and good. If students continue to play stupid and allow > things like this to happen to their computers, then so be it. Or you > can nail them a couple times and have them wise up for it. Much, much better to nail up the actual criminals not the victims. > > > The only solution is to use managed switches with a modicum of > > intelligence > > to where you can build a MAC filter that disallows packets that > > originate > > from > > the end users that have the same MAC as the mailserver, (to block > > spoofers) > > and that allows you to dump the internal MAC table. > > This is a good infrastructure to the network change and it would also > solve the problem. I thought he was having money troubles and needed a > quick solution to try solving the problem, while this solution would be > done in the future once funds are released and time can be allocated to > switch things over. It sounded like his network was somewhat in > shambles at the moment. > He is having money troubles. However, just because he is having money troubles does not change one iota what the only solution really is. Sure, he's going to try to half-ass it, he probably will try dropping some more managed devices into the areas like the dorms that are likely to have the biggest troublemakers. If the people he is dealing with really are morons, and he is lucky and catches a few of them right away and gets them shot at dawn, it might put a enough of a damper on the fun to cow the rest of the script kiddies. But I warned him that he is taking a huge risk here - if he really pisses off someone that is knowledgeable, then he's going to be royally screwed. 5 minutes with a packet sniffer will tell someone if they are on a switch or a dumb hub, and as long as he's got any dumb hubs on the network at all, he's taking a huge risk. And breaking into insecure Windows systems - and they got at least 2000 ones to try - is like shooting fish in a barrel. But, it really is like pissing into a fan to try to tell any of these academic types this sort of thing. All of them are so fragging hung up on the cost end that they will happily chop their fingers off to save a nickel - unless that is, they are buying new football jerseys for the football team, or other sacred cow. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 06:45:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4071716A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D612243D39 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:45:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@67.116.52.185 with plain) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 06:45:46 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:46:06 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410022346.06830.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:45:47 -0000 On Saturday 02 October 2004 08:50 pm, Dave Vollenweider wrote: > This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more > of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear > with me. > > I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using > Unix-like operating systems for almost two years. I started with Red > Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and selling their > "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then switched to Debian > before going to FreeBSD last March. I now also run NetBSD on one of > my machines. > > Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS, > seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of Unix. This has > affected me to the point of me changing my career path. Before I got > into these OSs, I wanted to get into radio. Now I'd rather either be > a system administrator or run my own consulting business for entities > that use these types of OSs. But herein lies the problem I've been > having lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to > become a system administrator, I came across this page: > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm > overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain. It > took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it looks > like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to know. But > now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own for fun, I have > to learn other things I don't really have a need to learn for myself > or that I want to, just so that I can apply that to oth er peoples' > situations. The result is that lately learning these OSs has become > more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still intimidated by what I > need to learn to get to where I want to go. It almost seems like > it's not worth it. > > Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people on this > list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has experienced > this, that learning new things in Unix-like OSs becomes more of a > chore than something to do for fun. My question is, what advice > would you have for dealing with this? Well, I can only tell you about my own experience, but perhaps it will help. I have always been a techie, getting my first computer at the age of 14 - an Apple IIe. Learned some Basic, some peeks and pokes and even some assembly. But I found that I also liked music, and tended more to that side of things for the latter half of my teens and into my 20s, though I never went to college (started a few times, but didn't know what I wanted to do). Somehow I ended up doing web design for a band in my mid 20s, and even though the band broke up, I was good enough at it that it became my career in 2000, right when the dot-com bubble started to burst. I was 30, just starting my career with no degree but making $50k (not great, but not bad), and worked for three different failed companies in the course of a year and a half. Most of this time I was using Windows, but I used various flavors of *nix during the course of my work, mostly Red Hat, plus I installed SuSE at home and used it occasionally. My specialty was front-end web development - I found it increasingly difficult to find work from 2001 onward, especially because I had no strong programming skills, but could do JavaScript and some other scripting, and I also didn't have credentials as a graphic designer, even though I could do it by gut instinct (which sometimes isn't good enough). Eventually I came to hate doing web design, partially because I couldn't find paying work, but mostly because it's not the right discipline for me anyway - it sort of fell in my lap, and I made a go of it. I've been bouncing around between low paying jobs since then, wondering how the hell to get my career started again without going back to school for four years to get a computer science degree, when I discovered FreeBSD. That was last spring. I now know exactly what I want to do, which is to get that computer science degree and then some, specializing in systems administration, and to go into teaching at the college level. First, I know this is a hard road, especially at the age of 34, but I am tired of not *really* knowing my stuff, so to speak. I've been a techie my whole life and even made some money at it, but I've gotten by without having the deep knowledge required to really understand the workings of an *nix OS such as FreeBSD, which I very much want to do, and plus it's time to get serious. I've also found that the systems administration/network end of the spectrum is what suits me best, but I don't care about getting paid big money as much as wanting to teach others (and, concurrently, also have the time and resources to devote to projects such as FreeBSD). It's not a particularly glorious career choice, and if I were a bit different I might want to really go for the corporate path and a fat salary, but honestly I'm happier not working in that sort of environment. YMMV. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 07:05:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A918E16A4D0; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:05:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C8D43D31; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:05:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611BA5889; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01372-02; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BFB555864; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041003071002.BFB555864@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-09-12 - 2004-10-02 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:05:25 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 07:12:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EB216A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:12:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563ED43D1F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:12:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.28] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4Z00FMVYO5IT@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:12:14 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> To: FreeBSD Questions Message-id: <415FA64E.8010708@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:12:06 -0000 Ironically, I'm switching to FreeBSD because I'm already tired. My bones are aching from years of abuse. I'm tired of.. ..being told what I can and can't do with my computers. Did you know many scanners and photocopiers cannot reproduce money? Apparently the US government has worked with the hardware manufactures to perform this feat. What's next? Probably not being able to listen to music that I'm not "certified" as owning. Or being able to rip a DVD I purchased. ..of not being in control of my computer. The two straws that broke my Wincamel's back were SP2 killing my machine (which I eventually solved with a BIOS update), and then (less seriously) not being able to set the theme of the task bar to the Win 2000 theme. Now I'm going to run GNOME and FVWM2, which I will be in full control of my desktop. No weird crap anymore. ..of skills becoming outdated. I was a master of the Commodore. I was a master of AmigaDOS. I was a master of MS-DOS. I was a master of Win95. I was a master of Windows NT4. Then a funny thing happened, I realized if I spent the time to learn UNIX, I could run it for the rest of life, without having to learn a new OS every time Microsoft needed to keep their stock price up. ..of GUI's. What a marvelous thing to be able to shell in to my own computer, from anywhere in the world, from many kind of computers - and check my mail, read newsgroups, write programs, etc. ..of having to enter serial numbers for tons of software I legitimately purchased. The worst is having to type in Microsoft's 44-digit activation codes anytime I want to change my HD, say from RAID 0 to RAID 1. Normally this involves a call to India. ..of purchasing software. Why drive to CompUSA and purchase WordPerfect, when I go to my ports directory and install OpenOffice? Actually I've done both, and going to the directory was a lot cheaper. Why buy MS-SQL or Sybase when I can get Interbase, MySQL, or PostreSQL for free? ..of stupid software. Firefox is so much better than IE, it's hard to where to begin. Throw in the Adblock extension, and it's the perfect tabbed browsing experience. IE is a nightmare of fear and chaos, "Hey someone sent me a cool JPEG to view, OH ITS A VIRUS!" ..of Linux distributions with fatal flaws. I went on a giant search to pick the perfect Linux distro, and I ended up selecting FreeBSD. Every single distro had some aspect I didn't like. ..of proprietary formats. All the emails I lost over the years that were in some kind of Outlook format that at the time I was either too lazy or too ignorant, to make a back up of. ..of malware. UNIX has been secure since it supported multiple users, which was a very long time ago. Windows has never been, and likely will never be, secure. I bought my brother a Mac, he sometimes calls to see if he needs to be concerned about the latest virus making the rounds. "No.", I tell him. My point is, the knowledge you gain about UNIX is your's forever. The freedom is forever. The control is forever. If want to be a sysadmin, you don't have to be master of everything. You just need to be on the path - and you are. thx! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 07:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA8A16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAFC143D1D for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:44:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from idiot1@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAX9MPXAXSLF6S for (sender ); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1397 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2004 07:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (65.45.136.22) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 07:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <415FADA8.10201@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:43:36 -0400 From: Kirk Bailey Organization: Silas Dent Memorial Cabal or ERIS Esoteric and Hot-Dog boiling society fnord! User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ContentStamp: 5:2:885414658 X-MAIL-INFO: 59d7e7b3fbe7aece67ceee7b47877f677a438f0e4e7e0e47032e032f4bfbaa3e2ebfda775a3e3bbb3b2eef77ca37bb835b973337af5eabbbbe13771eaa7edeb7abaafa4acb1ade3a977acada6a1b0b4a931e5bca174feaea6b5b578f0b4fee1b1e27b30f5fd7577a7ace0f023f1b572f773e237f23fe232fb3432f0efb23fb2be3fb5a3b5aba0efb3e33be8a37bb83ab07cf0787077e5ad37ef7df07df13dbdf63de633af7dfab734fd7cb5b9a7f9e6bdefaea8a8ab76bc373ae8e9e9e1faeee1e0a7aea1ee7a3a3ae7a270f6f670a0a776f031bbee35ef7def7abdadbabda9adeda9a739a9f8aca4fca736af3736a8b4f6a8ba3 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: buP3kPEDdHWn/rxneM7xyO3KLLth9vmqfHGvKe+zZYtwK8j+ktukcA== Subject: python 2.2.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:44:22 -0000 Got a problem; my server was upgraded, and now runs python 2.2.1. BUT, that vesion has a bug. The attempt to upgrade to the next and presumably repaired version failed. My friend and mentor reccomeded this on icq: """Well. You can always go to FreeBSD.org. Find out who the package maintainer is for the ports collection for python /usr/ports/lang/python and ask about a FreeBSD 4.6 Makefile for python 2.2.3.""" So here I am. May I have a Makefile please? -- -Blessed Be! Kirk Bailey kniht http://www.tinylist-org/ Freedom software +-----+ Free list services -http://www.listville.net/ | BOX | http://www.howlermonkey.net/ - Free Email service +-----+ In HER Service- http://www.pinellasintergroupsociety.org/ think http://www.sacredelectron.org/ - my personal screed pit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 07:51:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D289316A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:51:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy02.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2C643D4C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:51:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy02 [148.235.52.22]) by smtp.prodigy.net.mx (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I5000HG80H11G@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from[201.137.226.99])(built Sep 8 2003))with ESMTP id <0I5000M6H0H0LL@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:51:01 -0700 From: Martin Paredes In-reply-to: To: Ted Mittelstaedt , Matthew Seaman , Tim Aslat Message-id: <200410030051.01989.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Organization: MAPSware MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 X-imss-version: 2.5 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:19 M:2 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:3 C:2 M:2 S:2 R:2 (0.5000 1.0000) References: cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: IP address conflicts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:51:03 -0000 > > > > Well, you could move all of the servers onto a separate network to any > > of the individual client machines (and make sure that the server > > network isn't accessible from any of the network ports your clients > > have access to, clearly). That way, even if one of your pet idiots > > decides to 'borrow' a server IP address, the network routing means > > that all they are going to do is hurt themselves. > > Think of this for a second. Right now he has maybe 4-5 different servers > that > people are putting the IP numbers on. Once you move all those servers onto > a > separate subnet, now all the little twits have to do is put the IP number > of the gateway router onto their systems, then the entire subnet that ALL > the servers are on becomes inaccessible. > if you have 20 buildings, you must create 20 subnets as minimun. try to isolate the public ports (any one can conect) like computers labs rooms from the used by people that work in the school (administratives offices) also, try to isolate floors or rooms so you can arrive to this room and review the pc that are connected (the subnet may be of 32 or 64 hosts) put an special area (on his own subnet) by building to allow students to connect his cumputers. request help from the labs administrators and the workers of the school to watch for person that get pc or laptop inside labs (maybe must search inside bags) and if the problem happen, at least you know some faces. maps From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 10:20:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74D316A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:20:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3CE43D5F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:20:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.cullen@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from ape (81-178-127-34.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.127.34]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE3324C00050 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:20:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <056501c4a933$2f021b70$f700000a@ape> From: "Markie" To: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:24:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1.3 package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:20:59 -0000 Hi all I just installed OpenOffice 1.1.3, via a package, on -CURRENT from a few days ago. pkg_add complained about not being able to find XFree86 and imake 4.3.0 (I think) and perl - which is odd because I do have perl installed - so I used -f to force it. However, when I try and run openoffice-1.1.3 or openoffice-1.1.3-setup it just sits there using 100% CPU time in soffice.bin or setup.bin; I have to kill the process off using -KILL. Is this a known problem? I also tried compiling from source on 5.3-BETA5 before I updated to CURRENT and that failed, although I forgot to look why. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 10:37:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8378316A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:37:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682E043D1F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:37:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter.schuller@infidyne.com) Received: [83.226.138.215]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP <20041003103756.IXKF3239.mxfep01.bredband.com@scode-thunderbolt.mine.nu>; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:37:56 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scode-thunderbolt.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A598611A; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:38:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Schuller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Dormer Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:38:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <3174add604100215384455ca4a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3174add604100215384455ca4a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410030338.03758.peter.schuller@infidyne.com> Subject: Re: vinum X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:37:58 -0000 > drive a device /dev/ad0 > drive b device /dev/ad3 ... > ** 1 Can't initialize drive a: Operation not supported by device ... > illuminating. Is this a common problem? How do I fix it? I've made > sure that the disks in question have been labeled using disklabel -e > as vinum volumes. What else? I suspect the problem is that you are supposed to specify the vinum volume; not the drive. That is, a vinum "drive" is a vinum partition on a physical device, not the physical device itself. So try specifying /dev/ad0s1a or /dev/ad0a or whatever is the name of your vinum labled partition. -- / Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller ' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to getpgpkey@scode.org E-Mail: peter.schuller@infidyne.com Web: http://www.scode.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 10:56:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28B916A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:56:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B47643D2D for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:56:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ABA1F4498; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21858-03; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [64.32.179.50]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3691F4496; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <415FDAED.8060307@wingfoot.org> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:56:45 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Thunderbird/0.8 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> <415FA64E.8010708@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <415FA64E.8010708@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org cc: bsdfsse cc: metaridley@mchsi.com Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:56:47 -0000 bsdfsse said the following on 10/3/2004 3:12 AM: > Ironically, I'm switching to FreeBSD because I'm already tired. My > bones are aching from years of abuse. I'm tired of.. Hear Hear!! > ..of Linux distributions with fatal flaws. I went on a giant search > to pick the perfect Linux distro, and I ended up selecting FreeBSD. > Every single distro had some aspect I didn't like. I started with FreeBSD in the Fall of 2000, when I started at Lumeta. I loved it so much that when I built my personal server, I used it (and Wing's now running on 4.10-STABLE, and when 5.3 is out of BETA I'll most likely upgrade it...). I had played with RedHat (3 or 4.. I still have the CDs somewhere!), I had used Unix System V (on a Unix PC (AT&T PC 7300) no less!) in the early 90's, but had ended up working with Windows mostly at my jobs, and thus, at home. Every time there was a new version of Windows, there were new idiosyncracies and more bullshit to cram into my head. When I started at Lumeta, I found those old Unix skills creeping back out of my memory--and they STILL WORKED! *gasp* ;) Things that attracted me to FBSD: 1) The ease of the Ports collection. No messy rpm commands to have to memorize or read man pages on--just cd /usr/ports/tree/package && make install clean -- Wow. How much easier can it get? Oh I know... when you don't want the port anymore? cd /usr/ports/tree/package && make deinstall ;) 2) The support in the community--I've never lacked at being able to find help. Granted, this is more Unix-oriented than FBSD-oriented.. But I have to admit that the mailing lists have been a *HUGE* help when I've needed it. 3) Finding that O'Reilly hosted articles about *BSD (Like Dru Lavigne's many articles discussing the ports tree and other nifty things in FreeBSD, and how to maintain & keep them in tip-top shape)! 4) Finding that I could actually *run* more than, say, 2 or 3 services on a particular server! (The first FBSD server I helped configure at Lumeta served as our: general development, Samba-shared, user home, network print server, DNS, DHCP, Apache, RT, email server--I was amazed you could run all that on one box without it crashing daily, like Windows would at the time!) 5) The ease with which I was able to take an existing port (misc/instant-workstation) and make a Lumeta package which would run over the course of a weekend, hands-free, and build a developer's workstation to our specs! For free! I didn't need to learn any weird packaging script language (read: InstallShield), nor did I have to worry incessantly about "how many licenses do we have left for ..." like I had to with our Windows boxen. (There are others, of course, but these are what come to mind immediately...) > ..of proprietary formats. All the emails I lost over the years that > were in some kind of Outlook format that at the time I was either too > lazy or too ignorant, to make a back up of. Yeah--early on I switched from Outcrack to Eudora, which, though better, still wasn't perfect--but at least it was in a Unix-like format! :) > My point is, the knowledge you gain about UNIX is your's forever. The > freedom is forever. The control is forever. > > If want to be a sysadmin, you don't have to be master of everything. > You just need to be on the path - and you are. It's not all about what you have memorized. It's knowing where to look for the information. I have *no* qualms telling people in interviews, when they ask me a question I don't know the answer to off the top of my head, that I could easily find that information via man or a Google search. In general, I have found that if the person interviewing you Has Clueage, that's better to them than someone sitting there scratching their head going "Um.. let me think... um... " for a few minutes. Myself, I am preparing to migrate my home PC from WinXP to FreeBSD 5.x soon. Mostly because I'm sick of the stupid driver conflicts, spontaneous reboots where M$ blames my NVidia drivers, and software that ceases to work because of SP2 (my screensavers, no less. And--do they cease to work gracefully? Noooooo--that'd be too polite--it just locks the PC with a black screen and a mouse pointer which is the only thing that responds to anything, forcing a reboot. Nice eh?). I'm already using Firefox, Thunderbird, and OO.o, so the switch shouldn't be too bad :) Best, Glenn -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 11:18:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8D616A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:18:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.97.36.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34E4543D31 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:18:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michal@pasternak.w.lub.pl) Received: (qmail 1296 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Oct 2004 11:19:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:19:40 +0200 From: Michal Pasternak To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20041003111940.GA1204@pasternak.w.lub.pl> References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: FreeBSD Questions cc: Dave Vollenweider Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Michal Pasternak List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:18:28 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt [Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:46:05PM -0700]: > As an analogy - there's lots of people that know how to pull into > a service station and add air to their car tires. But out of all > those people that have learned how to do this only a tenth of them > know that tire pressure rises when the tire gets warmer, and of > those people, only another tenth WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD BE > THE CASE IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT because they actually understand > what gas pressure is. And if one of the people in that group had > never added air in his life to a tire, and you told him to go do it, > he would not only be able to go do it, he would be able to add > exactly the correct amount of air needed for the tire. I really liked that part about a sciencist! On the other hand, I think it is too enthusiastic, applying theory to practice needs a few things more... :) -- m From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 11:57:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF63116A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:57:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp13.eresmas.com (smtp13.eresmas.com [62.81.235.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7ED43D53 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:57:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.108.60] (helo=mx10.eresmas.com) by smtp13.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CE4zQ-0007yk-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:57:20 +0200 Received: from [62.174.254.182] (helo=top.daemonsecurity.com) by mx10.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CE4zQ-0001zR-4W for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:57:20 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44580A1470 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <415FE917.1090305@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:57:11 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard Organization: Loco Lomography User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040918 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:57:29 -0000 Hi, I had a glance at that list you refer to and the article it refers to. Don't worry, you don't need to know and learn all that: "copy files to and from a floppy disk"?? I don't even remember when I had a computer with a floppy drive. On the other hand, the vi editor? Well, I have known people who wrote a 200 page astronomy thesis in latex using vi, but in most cases you won't use vi. So why is it important? Because it is so simple, it is one of the few things that you can rely on when your system has crashed. But even then, I actually know one SA whose Digital Unix crashed so hard that it could only run ed. Some things you want at almost all costs to avoid, NIS for example, and NIS+ in particular, I have found that most manuals say "if you don't REALLY (and I mean REALLY) need it, don't use it". LDAP can replace NIS and solve many other problems at the same time, yet it's not on the list. Some of the things, you really already know: "launch an application from the commandline"? "from GNOME"? And some things you just can't learn before you need to: "Basic trouble- shooting" - what to do when your system just works?? :-) Mostly this list summarizes the tasks and tools you will likely be doing or using if you follow a path as SA. You don't need to know it all, it is far more important that you know where to look and can learn as needed. One thing I find missing though is security aspects which has been reduced to basic security. Today there are so many tools for system administration that this is not that complicated a task. There are only few to manage security. There's much to learn, so don't waste your time learning the things you don't need, often you will also be more motivated having a real problem to solve. I have found that the most valuable skill a good SA has is LAZINESS! Yup, but beware, there are two kinds: You can be lazy in the sence that you only do what is absolutely necessary and postpone it as much as posible - this is the negative kind. Then, on the other hand, you can be clever! Being clever allows you to minimize the work involved in any task and still get it done on time. So, when I refer to laziness, it's the second kind. For this reason, I'd recommend you to learn the tools, not the tasks. The tasks changes much more often than the tools. Learn the most power- full tools first, they'll get you far. Secondly, learn in general the differences between like products, know what are their strengths and weaknesses. This way you can choose the right tool to the right problem. Perl is a good hammer and bangs many nails quickly, but sometimes you need a screwdriver for the problem you have. Btw, Perl AFAIK is the true product of the clever laziness. > It took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it looks like > I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to know. But now, > I feel like instead of learning things on my own for fun, I have to learn > other things I don't really have a need to learn for myself or that I want > to, just so that I can apply that to other peoples' situations. Most work involves solving other peoples problems. When it comes to SA, I think it is much more fun to adminster real users. On my home network, I have three users, me, myself and my mirror image. I have to go look in the mirror to meet any of my users, and eventually I found that I just don't have enough problems to keep me occupied - that is now, after I switched to FreeBSD, before with RedHat linux, I could always do the occasional reinstall or sit down and try to trace the dependencies and with Windows I needed an assistant :-) On a real network you become the hero of the day and the one people love to hate. You get a big screen so you can hide behind it and your office appears empty. You get a huge number of interesting and very different tasks, and what you have tried at home you get to try on a much bigger scale - you can actually test things with real workload and not just simulate. You get access to tons of equipment - your servers may be a cluster or blade whatever, and not that old Pentium 133Mhz. You will likely be buying new equipment to test and play with, and if things works well, buy more to install. All that is fun. Then you will have users who will complain everyday about the same problems and who feel you should serve them first. There are tons of aspects to good system administration, not only the technical stuff. As the SA, you will be the one who enables people to communicate, you will be in the center of that communication, you will know things you don't want to know, and things you shouldn't. All these things makes it more interesting than your home network, I'd say. So keep up the good work ;-) and don't worry if you don't have the answer at hand - you can always say "42" .. :-) Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 12:09:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182A016A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE2F43D31 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:09:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from waynep@smtp.penguinpowered.org) Received: from core.penguinpowered.org ([212.18.250.170] helo=smtp.penguinpowered.org) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CE5BI-0002mZ-65 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:09:36 +0100 Received: from waynep by smtp.penguinpowered.org with local (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CE5Au-000BLn-OS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:09:12 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:09:12 +0100 From: Wayne Pascoe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041003120912.GA43602@marvin.penguinpowered.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-System: FreeBSD i386 with kernel 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 Sender: Wayne Pascoe Subject: Mail server questions (SMTP Auth, Imap and virtual domains) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:09:38 -0000 Hi all, I've got a mail setup doing virtualhosts as described at http://www.penguinpowered.org/documentation/exim_virtualhosting.html My users can pull their mail down with POP, but have to use their ISP's SMTP server for outgoing mail. I'd like to do two things at this stage, and I'd appreciate any advice on pointers to help me achieve these: 1. Setup SMTP Auth with Exim so that they can use my boxes for outgoing SMTP. This would allow me to setup SPF on their domains as well, which would be a plus. 2. Setup a webmail solution. I'm currently using Squirrelmail for users that exist in /etc/passwd (not very many!), and am considering a migration to Horde/IMP. Near as I can tell though it's not the webmail client that matters, but the imap server. Does anyone know of an imap server that will do 'virtual mailboxes' like vm-pop3d does ? Thanks in advance, -- Wayne Pascoe (gpg --keyserver www.co.uk.pgp.net --recv-keys 79A7C870) A good sysadmin always carries around a few feet of fiber. If he gets lost, he simply drops the fiber on the ground, waits 10 minutes and asks the backhoe operator for directions - Bill Bradford From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 12:09:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A23616A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:09:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.devrandom.org.uk (mail.devrandom.org.uk [84.92.10.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC8143D2D for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:09:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from howells@kde.org) Received: from localhost (frodo [192.168.1.8]) by mail.devrandom.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7FCAF20; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:11:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.devrandom.org.uk ([192.168.1.8]) by localhost (frodo [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27389-10; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:11:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.176] (unknown [192.168.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.devrandom.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D0EAF28; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:11:56 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Howells Organization: K Desktop Environment To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:09:48 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.50 References: <20041002231007.GA80368@skytrackercanada.com> In-Reply-To: <20041002231007.GA80368@skytrackercanada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3406812.K86LBuWXrz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410031309.52491.howells@kde.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at devrandom.org.uk cc: David Banning Subject: Re: apache - how to redirect page not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:09:56 -0000 --nextPart3406812.K86LBuWXrz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 03 October 2004 00:10, David Banning wrote: > I notice on some web sites when you try to load a page that does not > exist, it directs the users browser to another page. How do I set > that up in apache? If you have PHP installed, you can use the following PHP code: Of course this has the beauty that you can set up a PHP script as a 404=20 handler, and if you know the old location of a page, then it is very trivia= l=20 to automatically re-direct to this new location (since you know the path th= at=20 was requested). We use something like this on the KDE web site: http://webcvs.kde.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/www/media/includes/classes/class_h= andler404.inc?rev=3D1.4 e.g. add("/anoncvs.html","http://developer.kde.org/source/anoncvs.html= "); $handler->add("/family.html","/family/"); ?> where the 1st parameter to add() is the requested original URL, and the 2nd= =20 parameter is the URL to redirect to. =2D-=20 Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris@chrishowells.co.uk, howells@kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP ID: 0x33795A2C KDE/Qt/C++/PHP Developer: http://www.kde.org --nextPart3406812.K86LBuWXrz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBX+wQF8Iu1zN5WiwRAr7DAKCPXqAMhfFlG9bMtPbH0bbg2ZdFdgCeJuBY +AuAa0INShkxn0RdI7jSuSM= =DsPZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3406812.K86LBuWXrz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 13:50:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4201B16A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chel.usi.ru (nexus.chelptt.ru [212.57.144.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18843D53 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:49:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrey.lebedew@chel.usi.ru) Received: from [10.10.10.241] (helo=EVS2.ptt) by chel.usi.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDkGo-00062l-1M for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:49:54 +0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:49:41 +0600 Message-ID: <4F218ECFCC55F846B7DED6F50F5D61701F4088@EVS2.ptt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: HP LaserJet 1000 Thread-Index: AcSohsOgp4HTBjBHRvarjWiiC/Jhxw== From: =?koi8-r?B?7MXCxcTF1yDhzsTSxcog4czFy9PBzsTSz9fJ3g==?= To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:17:45 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: HP LaserJet 1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:50:02 -0000 =FA=C4=D2=C1=D7=D3=D4=D7=D5=CA=D4=C5. =F0=D2=CF=DB=D5 =F7=C1=D3 =D0=CF=CD=CF=DE=D8 =D7 = =CE=C1=D3=D4=D2=CF=CA=CB=C5 =D0=D2=C9=CE=D4=C5=D2=C1 HP LaserJet 1000 = (USB) System FreeBSD 5.2.1 printer HP LaserJet 1000 PIII-1000/RAM 128/HDD 80/CD-ROM/ CUPS 1.1.21 =F0=D2=C9 =D0=CF=D0=D9=D4=CB=C5 cat sihp1000.dl > /dev/ulpt0 =F3=C9=D3=D4=C5=CD=C1 =D7=D9=C4=C1=C5=D4 input/output error =20 lpinfo -v network socket network http network ipp network lpd direct parallel:/dev/lp1 serial serial:/dev/ttyS1?baud=3D115200 serial serial:/dev/ttyS2?baud=3D115200 direct usb:/dev/ulpt0 direct usb:/dev/unlpt =20 Hello.=20 I ask you to help with adjustment of printer HP LaserJet 1000 (USB)=20 System FreeBSD 5.2.1=20 printer HP LaserJet 1000=20 PIII-1000/RAM 128/HDD 80/CD-ROM/=20 CUPS 1.1.21=20 At attempt cat sihp1000.dl>/dev/ulpt0=20 The system gives out input/output error=20 =20 lpinfo-v=20 network socket=20 network http=20 network ipp=20 network lpd=20 direct parallel:/dev/lp1=20 serial serial:/dev/ttyS1? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 13:43:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C68316A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:43:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nebula.whywire.net (64-83-10-246-nova-business-dsl.cavtel.net [64.83.10.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F11643D49 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:43:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mbaki@whywire.net) Received: from whywire.net (root@64-83-10-246-nova-business-dsl.cavtel.net [64.83.10.246]) by nebula.whywire.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i93DS13D013173 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Monah Baki" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:28:01 -0400 Message-Id: <20041003131921.M61325@whywire.net> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.32 20040525 X-OriginatingIP: 68.227.194.65 (mbaki) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: plone 2.0.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:43:28 -0000 Hi All, Once I upgraded ports on my 4.10 server and installed from ports plone-2.0.4, I login as admin and try to click on the sharing tab, I get an error: You do not have sufficient privileges to view this page. If you believe you are receiving this message in error, please send an e-mail to postmaster@localhost. Any help will be highly appreciated. Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 13:52:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB9716A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:52:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757EA43D53 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:52:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20041003135235m9200as1sbe>; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:52:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:51:36 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: "'FreeBSD Questions'" Message-Id: <20041003085136.4f237fd7.metaridley@mchsi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12-gtk2-20040622 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Addendum: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:52:36 -0000 I thank you all for your responses so far. I actually meant to post my original message to FreeBSD Newbies, but I posted it here by mistake. Since the damage has been done, I may as well continue. I just wanted to clarify a few things about where I'm coming from: 1) I'm not actually going for the RHCE certification. That page which talked about what would be required was just something I came across when I was Googling for tips on how to start a SA career. I mention it because most of the responses to the original question dealt more with system adiministration in general, and I thought it was worth paying attention to for that reason. 2) The one job I have right now that entails system administration is a volunteer job at my alma mater's student run radio station. They have four Windows boxes, a NetBSD box that I set up, and a Mac that I also want to put NetBSD on as soon as I can get it to boot the installer. Right now the problems I have to deal with mainly have to do with the automation software for two of the Windows boxes and getting at least one of the network cards for the NetBSD box registered with the university so that it can be on their network. My apologies for posting to the wrong list; that was dumb of me, I know. - Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 13:52:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CA016A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (174.113.sn.ct.dsl.thebiz.net [216.238.113.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA0043D53 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:52:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zlists@mgm51.com) Received: from winbloat (unknown [10.0.0.38]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAF137278; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200410030952350205.008A57A6@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:52:35 -0400 From: "MikeM" To: "Dave Vollenweider" , "FreeBSD Questions" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:52:37 -0000 On 10/2/2004 at 10:50 PM Dave Vollenweider wrote: | I came across this page: | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and | I'm overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain. ============= That page is ridiculous. You do not need to know all those items. You may not even need to know a third of them. What you do need is a basic knowledge of how *nix works, common troubleshooting skills, a curiosity to learn, and an ability to learn. When I hire people to work in my engineering department, I do not have a checklist of skills needed, I am more interested in a person's base knowledge, curiosity, and ability to learn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 14:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F74516A4D0 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:00:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C5C43D3F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:00:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i93E0RZn054544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:00:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)i93E0R4t054529; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:00:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:00:27 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20041003140027.GB42772@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Erik Norgaard , FreeBSD Questions References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> <415FE917.1090305@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <415FE917.1090305@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.6 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:00:27 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040904, clamav-milter version 0.75l on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:00:36 -0000 --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 01:57:11PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > I have found that the most valuable skill a good SA has is LAZINESS! > Yup, but beware, there are two kinds: You can be lazy in the sence that > you only do what is absolutely necessary and postpone it as much as > posible - this is the negative kind. Then, on the other hand, you can be > clever! Being clever allows you to minimize the work involved in any > task and still get it done on time. So, when I refer to laziness, it's > the second kind. You forgot about impatience and hubris; also important virtues for anyone working with computers. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBYAX7iD657aJF7eIRArq4AJ4jdubYXqgCJLGeyZeiOSDlCSTpdQCdFVH2 3DFINHID+5b+kP7rHMdZrnc= =hRKY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 14:26:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DFA16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:26:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849F343D45 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:26:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from TM4525@aol.com) Received: from TM4525@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id a.ba.6192a3d0 (14374); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: TM4525@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:26:25 EDT To: metaridley@mchsi.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun - some advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:26:32 -0000 Some Advice, There are many things in life that seem like daunting tasks, some of them worthwhile, some not. But its the goal beyond the task that should be the deciding factor. "Learning unix" is not a reason. Its like saying you want to have children just for the sake of having them. Why do you want to learn unix? To enable yourself to start a business? To develop some great product idea? To enpower yourself to advance your career? Those are worthwhile reasons. There are lots of ways to occupy your mind. But its the ones with the really good reasons to learn it who are the best at it. Its also important to always remember (in life generally), that no matter how knowledgable you become, there will always be someone more knowledgeable, so don't be discouraged by others, or the fact that you are behind. Those "others" are the way you catch up, by listening to them, separating fact from bullshit, and advancing your own knowledge. The top of the bell curve is when you can spot the posers, the know-it-alls who really know nothing at all. Thats when you'll know you are on your way. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 15:02:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE8316A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE8FF43D45 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:02:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Mike.Jeays@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (mjeays2551@24.43.95.82 with plain) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 15:02:08 -0000 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1096815728.30508.37.camel@chaucer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 03 Oct 2004 11:02:08 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SMTP Authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:02:10 -0000 How do I tell sendmail to provide an authentication string when I ask it to send messages to my ISP (a cable provider)? They use PLAIN authentication, and I did not have too much trouble getting the base 64 string by snooping with Ethereal when I sent mail from Evolution, and can send out emails "by hand" or from an Expect script. The relevant part of my sendmail config file is: define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.broadband.rogers.com') set SASL options TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/auth-info')dnl There doesn't seem any way to tell it what my userid and password for the ISP should be. I have tried reading various documentation, but haven't been able to find what is required. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 16:05:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E9B16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:05:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE14B43D39 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:05:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.cullen@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from ape (81-178-127-34.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.127.34]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C43A44C0034B for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:05:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <090c01c4a963$401b8ba0$f700000a@ape> From: "Markie" To: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:08:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: xorg DPMS weirdness with laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:05:03 -0000 I had to patch the trident driver which does the whole turn off backlight thing for the CyberBlade (which is what my laptop, unfortuantly, has) and this works with xset dpms force off/suspend/standby. However, if I just leave it alone it's still doing it's old behavior of making the screen black but leaving the backlight on. Any ideas as to why this might be? I have Options "DPMS" in my xorg.conf... maybe i'm forgetting something stupidly simple :-) No doubt the case. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 18:43:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61E516A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:43:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6B5243D39 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:43:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 8667 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Oct 2004 18:43:42 -0000 Received: from i53875A81.versanet.de (EHLO [192.168.0.13]) (83.135.90.129) by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 03 Oct 2004 20:43:42 +0200 X-Authenticated: #685629 Message-ID: <4160485D.9010604@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:43:41 +0200 From: Benjamin Walkenhorst User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thunderbird not displaying mails in IMAP-folder X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:43:44 -0000 Hello everyone, I recently set up a Courier-IMAP server (version 3.0.5) in my local network. I want to use Thunderbird 0.7.3 running on FreeBSD 5.2.1 to connect to the server. Basically, this works. But when new mails arrive in the mailbox, Thunderbird only indicates them in the folder tree, when I click on the folder, I sometimes see the new messages, sometimes they remain invisible. Sometimes switching to another folder in my mailbox and then back will help - sometimes not. Sometimes I can see the messages after some time, sometimes I have to restart Thunderbird. Is this rather a Thunderbird-problem or an IMAP-problem? (Courier is running on NetBSD 1.6.2, if that matters - Courier's log files did not show any helpful messages) Sylpheed 0.9.12 did not show this behaviour. However, I'd prefer Thunderbird for its ability to read both email and news. Thanks a lot, Benjamin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 18:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ADD16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:45:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4FD43D53 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:45:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robg.list@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so3760490rnk for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.171.77 with SMTP id t77mr5218596rne; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.83.59 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5c389d3b041003114592d020a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:45:36 -0400 From: robg To: f-questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: portversion / ruby is broken after updating ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: robg List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:45:37 -0000 I update my ports every couple of days, and there were only a small amount today that needed to be updated, so I ran the cvsup to update ports file I then typed `portsdb -Uu` and this came up: server# portsdb -Uu Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait..*** Error code 1 1 error ******************************************************************** Before reporting this error, verify that you are running a supported version of FreeBSD (see http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/) and that you have a complete and up-to-date ports collection. (INDEX builds are not supported with partial or out-of-date ports collections -- in particular, if you are using cvsup, you must cvsup the "ports-all" collection, and have no "refuse" files.) If that is the case, then report the failure to ports@FreeBSD.org together with relevant details of your ports configuration (including FreeBSD version, your architecture, your environment, and your /etc/make.conf settings, especially compiler flags and WITH/WITHOUT settings). Note: the latest pre-generated version of INDEX may be fetched automatically with "make fetchindex". ******************************************************************** *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports. failed to generate INDEX! portsdb: index generation error server# so I tried to run `portversion` and this came up: server# portversion [Updating the portsdb in /usr/ports ... - 11735 port entries found .........100 0.........2000.........3000.........4000.........5000.........6000.........7000.........8000..../us r/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587: [BUG] Segmentation fault ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd5] Abort (core dumped) server# What can I do? Why is ruby doing this now? Thanks. -- robg robg.list@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 18:55:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E97816A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD54C43D45 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:55:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 06CF152C34; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:56:33 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Markie Message-ID: <20041003185632.GA20202@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <056501c4a933$2f021b70$f700000a@ape> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <056501c4a933$2f021b70$f700000a@ape> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice 1.1.3 package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:55:36 -0000 --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:24:34AM +0100, Markie wrote: > Hi all >=20 > I just installed OpenOffice 1.1.3, via a package, on -CURRENT from a few > days ago. >=20 > pkg_add complained about not being able to find XFree86 and imake 4.3.0 (I > think) and perl - which is odd because I do have perl installed - so I > used -f to force it. This must be an old package, because 4.3.0 hasn't been in the ports collection for some months now. Kris --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBYEtgWry0BWjoQKURAnknAKCz0cImPr2ylOUxW2TmpsqiMICZ5gCbBtbB mncS2uv95Hh/4K+tpeXi4TY= =Poay -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:01:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BFC16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:01:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from biggie.spekt.net (biggie.spekt.net [67.18.79.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67EC43D3F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:01:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from radek@raadradd.com) Received: from raadradd.homeunix.org (bwd50.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.29.227.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by biggie.spekt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6854010; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by raadradd.homeunix.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B64A0A558; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:01:29 +0200 From: Radek Kozlowski To: Benjamin Walkenhorst Message-ID: <20041003190129.GC77129@werd> References: <4160485D.9010604@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4160485D.9010604@gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thunderbird not displaying mails in IMAP-folder X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:01:35 -0000 On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 08:43:41PM +0200, Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I recently set up a Courier-IMAP server (version 3.0.5) in my local > network. I want to use Thunderbird 0.7.3 running on FreeBSD 5.2.1 to > connect to the server. > Basically, this works. But when new mails arrive in the mailbox, > Thunderbird only indicates them in the folder tree, when I click on the > folder, I sometimes see the new messages, sometimes they remain invisible. > Sometimes switching to another folder in my mailbox and then back will > help - sometimes not. Sometimes I can see the messages after some time, > sometimes I have to restart Thunderbird. > > Is this rather a Thunderbird-problem or an IMAP-problem? (Courier is > running on NetBSD 1.6.2, if that matters - Courier's log files did not > show any helpful messages) > Sylpheed 0.9.12 did not show this behaviour. However, I'd prefer > Thunderbird for its ability to read both email and news. You'll need to configure courier-imap with: --enable-workarounds-for-imap-client-bugs to make Mozilla/Thunderbird work. -Radek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:35:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005F716A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:35:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [204.118.6.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8537243D31 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:35:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from [207.41.94.233] (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by smtp.owt.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i93JXwkG031683; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:33:58 -0700 From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, robg Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:35:12 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <5c389d3b041003114592d020a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5c389d3b041003114592d020a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410031235.12354.kstewart@owt.com> Subject: Re: portversion / ruby is broken after updating ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:35:10 -0000 On Sunday 03 October 2004 11:45 am, robg wrote: > I update my ports every couple of days, and there were only a small > amount today that needed to be updated, so I ran the cvsup to update > ports file > > I then typed `portsdb -Uu` and this came up: > > server# portsdb -Uu > Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait..*** > Error code 1 > 1 error > When I did a cvsup of ports-all, what I saw on a make index was the following # make index Generating INDEX - please wait..test: <: unexpected operator Warning: Duplicate INDEX entry: freeciv-gtk2-1.14.1 Warning: Duplicate INDEX entry: fvwm-imlib-2.4.18 Done. It appears that "make index", which is what portsdb -U runs, doesn't like your setup. Do you have any ports that you refuse. > ******************************************************************** > Before reporting this error, verify that you are running a supported > version of FreeBSD (see http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/) and that you > have a complete and up-to-date ports collection. (INDEX builds are > not supported with partial or out-of-date ports collections -- in > particular, if you are using cvsup, you must cvsup the "ports-all" > collection, and have no "refuse" files.) If that is the case, then > report the failure to ports@FreeBSD.org together with relevant > details of your ports configuration (including FreeBSD version, > your architecture, your environment, and your /etc/make.conf > settings, especially compiler flags and WITH/WITHOUT settings). > > Note: the latest pre-generated version of INDEX may be fetched > automatically with "make fetchindex". > ******************************************************************** > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports. > failed to generate INDEX! > portsdb: index generation error > server# > > so I tried to run `portversion` and this came up: > > server# portversion > [Updating the portsdb in /usr/ports ... - 11735 > port entries found .........100 > 0.........2000.........3000.........4000.........5000.........6000......... >7000.........8000..../us r/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587: > [BUG] Segmentation fault ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd5] > > Abort (core dumped) > server# > > What can I do? Why is ruby doing this now? Since "make index" died, it is anybodys guess. When all of the problems occured, I added the following to /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf ENV['PKG_DBDRIVER'] = "bdb_hash" ENV['PORTS_DBDRIVER'] = "bdb_hash" I thought this problem was fixed but I was only vacation during that time and my email machine had a HD crash. Webmail didn't let me sort things out :). Kent > > Thanks. -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:45:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A8216A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:45:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D50B43D5F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:45:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roop.nanuwa@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so3762479rnk for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.77.44 with SMTP id z44mr6432263rna; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.75.26 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <75f3f70504100312446b523c2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:44:54 -0700 From: Roop Nanuwa To: FreeBSD Questions List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PHP5-GD and X11 requirement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Roop Nanuwa List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:45:03 -0000 I'm trying to add GD support into my PHP5 install and I'm utterly confused by one thing. For some reason, GD has a dependency on X. Why is that? This is a server that doesn't even have a monitor plugged in, what features of X does the PHP GD module require? It seems rather ridiculous to me that there would that requirement. What's the reasoning behind it? What features of the X libraries does GD make use of? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:46:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1949616A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:46:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC22543D46 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:46:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i93Jk1DB011112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:46:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)i93Jk0uN011111; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:46:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:46:00 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Mike Jeays Message-ID: <20041003194600.GA10737@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Mike Jeays , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1096815728.30508.37.camel@chaucer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1096815728.30508.37.camel@chaucer> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.6 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:46:01 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040904, clamav-milter version 0.75l on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTP Authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:46:06 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:02:08AM -0400, Mike Jeays wrote: > How do I tell sendmail to provide an authentication string when I ask it > to send messages to my ISP (a cable provider)? They use PLAIN > authentication, and I did not have too much trouble getting the base 64 > string by snooping with Ethereal when I sent mail from Evolution, and > can send out emails "by hand" or from an Expect script. >=20 > The relevant part of my sendmail config file is: >=20 > define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.broadband.rogers.com') >=20 > set SASL options > TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/auth-info')dnl That's fine as it goes, but that's mostly to do with the server side of SMTP AUTH. =20 > There doesn't seem any way to tell it what my userid and password for > the ISP should be. >=20 > I have tried reading various documentation, but haven't been able to > find what is required. This is what the /etc/mail/authinfo file is for. This is the page you need to read -- specifically the second half: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/smtp_auth.html (or see the section "Providing SMTP AUTH Data when sendmail acts as Client" in /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README, which is basically the same text.) The define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/auth-info')dnl stuff is actually deprecated, but it still works for the time being. However, to be completely up to date and for maximum future proofing, instead of that line, you should use: FEATURE(`authinfo', `hash -o /etc/mail/authinfo')dnl Then edit the file /etc/mail/authinfo adding text as shown in the documentation: AuthInfo:other.dom "U:user" "I:user" "P:secret" "R:other.dom" "M:DIGEST= -MD5" AuthInfo:more.dom "U:user" "P=3Dc2VjcmV0" Then process that file into the db hash type read by Sendmail: # makemap hash authinfo.db < authinfo and make sure that the authinfo data is properly secured: # chown root:wheel authinfo* # chmod 600 authinfo* Then restart sendmail and try a few tests. Note that if you're using PLAIN authentication you should also use privacy options 'goaway' to help prevent the password being trivially disclosed: define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,goaway')dnl You can use this method (with certain small modifications) to authenticate your MSP sendmail instance to your MTA sendmail -- search for 'msp-authinfo' in /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBYFb4iD657aJF7eIRAgLjAKCWmkGzfZwCrWncqSzNQj8SYNbWHACeJGyT jclp1/yTwnI064fN1ee/wwU= =2Acp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B287B16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D94543D53 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:49:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phusion2k@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so22883cwb for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.24 with SMTP id x24mr312662cwb; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.10 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:49:14 -0500 From: Phusion To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Firewalk Port Broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Phusion List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:49:14 -0000 I'm running FreeBSD 5.2.1. I tried to install the firewalk port and this is what I got. I got the dependencies of libdnet and libnet-devel installed before trying firewalk. %pwd /usr/ports/security/firewalk %sudo make ===> Building for firewalk-5.0_1 Making all in src cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include -O -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -Wall -c init.c init.c: In function `fw_init_net': init.c:156: error: `BIOCIMMEDIATE' undeclared (first use in this function) init.c:156: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once init.c:156: error: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/firewalk/work/Firewalk/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/firewalk/work/Firewalk. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/firewalk. % I've already looked for answers, but no luck. I found that someone else posted this same exact problem back in February or March of this year to a FreeBSD mailing list, but no one responsed with how to fix it. Also, I cvsuped the ports collection before doing this. Let me know what you think the problem is. Thanks. Phusion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:50:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF8F16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:50:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E284843D5A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:50:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 1790 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Oct 2004 19:50:20 -0000 Received: from i53875A81.versanet.de (EHLO [192.168.0.13]) (83.135.90.129) by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 03 Oct 2004 21:50:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #685629 Message-ID: <416057FB.7090502@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:50:19 +0200 From: Benjamin Walkenhorst User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4160485D.9010604@gmx.net> <20041003190129.GC77129@werd> In-Reply-To: <20041003190129.GC77129@werd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thunderbird not displaying mails in IMAP-folder X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:50:24 -0000 Radek Kozlowski wrote: >You'll need to configure courier-imap with: > > --enable-workarounds-for-imap-client-bugs > >to make Mozilla/Thunderbird work. > >-Radek > > Thanks a lot! Seems to work now. =) Kind regards, Benjamin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:52:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64D116A4CF for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:52:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1562D43D2F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:52:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i93Jq2Rm011206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:52:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)i93Jq20V011205; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:52:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:52:02 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Roop Nanuwa Message-ID: <20041003195202.GB10737@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Roop Nanuwa , FreeBSD Questions List References: <75f3f70504100312446b523c2e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <75f3f70504100312446b523c2e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.6 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:52:02 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040904, clamav-milter version 0.75l on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: PHP5-GD and X11 requirement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:52:07 -0000 --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 12:44:54PM -0700, Roop Nanuwa wrote: > I'm trying to add GD support into my PHP5 install and I'm utterly > confused by one thing. For some reason, GD has a dependency on X. Why > is that? This is a server that doesn't even have a monitor plugged > in, what features of X does the PHP GD module require? It seems rather > ridiculous to me that there would that requirement. >=20 > What's the reasoning behind it? What features of the X libraries does > GD make use of? xpm or "X PixMap" -- an image format provided with X windows. You can avoid having to install the whole X client libraries by installing graphics/gd with the following flags: # cd /usr/ports/graphics/gd # make install WITH_XPM=3Dyes WITHOUT_X11=3Dyes which will cause a standalone xpm library to be used. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBYFhiiD657aJF7eIRAlxmAKCDZokf5BOeL1RcDF6ivqg4uhKASgCgtIak oSAThHs1tMNeJpr1ldynEJ0= =0Aa9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 19:55:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D7816A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:55:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8D943D1F for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:55:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3B910C896 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <22D92B0C-1576-11D9-BD30-000D932C89A2@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:55:11 -0400 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: IP address conflicts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:55:14 -0000 On Oct 3, 2004, at 2:11 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Yup. This is self-defense in any college setting, there's too many > juveniles around. > Well, that's the point of college today...real life without the real life consequences :-) It's training for taking responsibility, though. >> We try to have a policy where I work where if your account is used to >> do something against the rules, like browse porn, you must have given >> that person your account password or you left your account logged in >> and walked away. There's no way to prove who the body was sitting at >> that console, so it is assumed to be you. You get in trouble for it. > > We try to have a policy where I work of what you call common courtesy. > That is, the stuff on someone's desk is their property and if you have > to touch it, you don't damage it. You'd think this is a simple rule. Good luck. > Every once in a while we run across someone who don't understand this, > they get away with this for a while but sooner or later we reach out > and > fire them. Apparently, they all go to work at your place. I work in public education. > I think the double negatives there are a bit too much for most people. > > It is unreasonable to expect people to have to act like they are in > kindergarden when they are in the middle of a network room that has a > sum total of 20 people who can access it, all of whom are paid more > than > 50K a year. You'd THINK so. Listen, chances are that you can, in rural areas, get away with never locking your door. Nothing happens...no one marches in and robs you. What are the chances an average thief notices your doors aren't locked? Or that someone comes in and assaults you? Yet you still get the person on the news saying "we never had to lock our doors before...I guess it's just getting too dangerous a world to not do that anymore..." I'd rather go through that extra five second hassle and *take my keys with me* and *lock the friggin' door*. Just so I can say I wasn't an idiot for inviting the problem in the first place. Maybe it would never happen. Maybe nothing will, and chances are that if someone really wanted to break into my house they're going to find a way. But I don't want them to have it so easy as to just walk through the bloody door. Want my data? Steal the CPU. You'll need to get the hard drive out. It's always in a state where either I'm at the console or it's asking for a password. Besides, it helps me remember my passwords to be using them all the time :-) You just never know when someone will want to pull a little "prank" that you won't have patience or time for. > But people should not have to be looking over their shoulders > where they live, eat, sleep. This is a college, not a kindergarden. True, and all security is a tradeoff. People should realize that the five seconds it takes to lock and unlock a console is not a huge detriment to their schedule, and that taking reasonable precautions against theft and vandalism will save them time down the road that "one time" that someone decides to do something to them for giggles. Yes, it's a college. And like humans everywhere else, they act like giant kids. Hell, they use college as an EXCUSE to act like idiots. You know...all that PRESSURE they're under. The tests. The essays. The reports. The heavy drinking. They have to vent SOMEHOW. Besides, how high does a Dell monitor bounce from the third floor dorm window?? > Your logic is of the variety of "well, the security scanners at the > airports didn't do what they were supposed to be doing, so we > deserved to have the WTC collapsed". In other words, it only appears > on the surface to be reasonable, and that is because the problems > don't involve people dying. But it is fatally flawed. If the > world really operated like you seem to think, it would be anarchy. What, that people will be people and it's better to take the five seconds to take "reasonable" precautions is out of line? I see it as taking responsibility for my belongings (and in college, those of my roommate's as well). My roommate and I got into a habit of carrying our keys...it kept us from being locked out of our cars, it kept our belongings from disappearing from our college apartment. Nothing would probably have happened if we didn't do this, but it was insurance. I don't *expect* my house to burn down, but I am insured for it. Your parallel doesn't quite cut it. Smuggling things onboard a plane that is contraband is a little different than playing pranks and using your computer in an unauthorized manner. It crosses many lines. I am taking responsibility for my data when I take a few seconds to lock the console. To search someone for every possible danger they may pose to a plane not only crosses into crossing personal space and privacy, but is impossible against someone who is *determined* to cause a problem. Maybe I'm not quite seeing what you are arguing in the comparison...how the conclusion logically follows your line of reasoning. >> Your reactions are your policies and your rules; if they work for you, >> that's all and good. If students continue to play stupid and allow >> things like this to happen to their computers, then so be it. Or you >> can nail them a couple times and have them wise up for it. > > Much, much better to nail up the actual criminals not the victims. Of course. HOWEVER,...(isn't there always a however?)...there are some people who invite trouble. The world isn't a happy merry place and we can't always tell who did something vs. who is impersonating them vs. if they're just plain LYING to cover their butts. Especially with students. "You can't prove I was using that computer so you can't nail me for it...someone else came in here and did it!" Well, fine. Slap them on the wrist, tell them to take measures to prevent it from happening in the future. After a few times, they shouldn't know better. I wasn't suggesting crucifying them for being stupid, but rather make it inconvenient or enough of a hassle for them that they take responsibility for their systems or their identities, or if they're lying, enough to make them consider not doing it again. Unless you can catch them red handed. Otherwise you're going to have a whole dorm of people claiming some friggin' ghost is using their computer to mess with the web server when they go take a leak for five minutes and of COURSE, they have NO CLUE how it happened. Jails are filled with innocent people. Just ask the prisoners. > He is having money troubles. However, just because he is having money > troubles does not change one iota what the only solution really is. 100% agree. > But I warned him that he is taking a huge risk here - if he really > pisses off someone that is knowledgeable, then he's going to be > royally screwed. 5 minutes with a packet sniffer will tell someone if > they are on a switch or a dumb hub, and as long as he's got any > dumb hubs on the network at all, he's taking a huge risk. And breaking > into insecure Windows systems - and they got at least 2000 ones to > try - is like shooting fish in a barrel. But of course. This conversely plays his ability for politics too. Take down the campus systems after warning the holders of the purse strings several times, then have it go all to hell for extended periods of time...either he'll lose his job, or the "I TOLD YOU!!!" will loosen the strings a bit. He's in a tough spot, and if management will NOT support him for a true fix, it's time to start polishing the resume', because it gets worse before getting better...if it ever does. Playing cat and mouse with a fledgling black hat will help with his skills though :-) Pissing off anyone who thinks they're "l337" carries risks. For all he knows, he may find his tires slashed if the kid gets nailed with an expulsion. Or servers that are vandalized from a breakin. He may be targeted to the point where paranoia is no longer unwarranted. You *never know*!! And I'm not making light of the situation...these are all possible things. Maybe the kids will get bored and stop. Maybe they'll move on to other things. Maybe they just wanted to test the waters and thought this was amusing. Maybe they'll stop once they get a little nudge in the "um...not funny guys..." direction. They obviously aren't very bright or have a personal grudge if they're willing to take down school resources for amusement. They're shooting themselves in the foot. Sounds like they are idiots who are miffed at the school for something. > But, it really is like pissing into a fan to try to tell any of these > academic types this sort of thing. All of them are so fragging hung > up on the cost end that they will happily chop their fingers off > to save a nickel - unless that is, they are buying new football jerseys > for the football team, or other sacred cow. True enough. That's why I suggested the above...the system goes down, it's amazing how that helps loosen the purse strings, because it's *needed* and they don't see that until something happens. The guy is trying to do his job but if they don't support him, that position will always be a temporary stepping stone to a real position where it won't lead to premature greying and nervous breakdowns. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 20:17:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA7E16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:17:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8415F43D39 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:17:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA27C10CB9C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C409544-1579-11D9-BD30-000D932C89A2@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:17:49 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:17:51 -0000 On Oct 2, 2004, at 11:50 PM, Dave Vollenweider wrote: > This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more > of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear > with me. Alt.sysadmin.recovery? :-) > I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using > Unix-like operating systems for almost two years. I started with Red > Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and selling their > "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then switched to Debian > before going to FreeBSD last March. I now also run NetBSD on one of > my machines. Sounds like the path many administrators start out on :-) > Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS, seeing > the elegance, performance, and sheer power of Unix. This has affected > me to the point of me changing my career path. Before I got into > these OSs, I wanted to get into radio. Now I'd rather either be a > system administrator or run my own consulting business for entities > that use these types of OSs. But herein lies the problem I've been > having lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to > become a system administrator, I came across this page: > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm overwhelmed > by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain. It's a good overview, but man oh man...you can't memorize all of that. Worse, things change over time. The "Linux way" to accomplish something changes depending on the distro, the release version,... the important thing is that you can *look it up* and are able to understand the fundamentals. You may not know precisely how to sit down and get that new printer to print first time through and have it going in ten minutes, but you should be familiar enough to know that it may have something to do with configuring LPR and/or SMB sharing or CUPS to not be scratching your head over what to look for next. You should be able to google with decent search terms and be able to follow howtos. The stuff from the courses are pretty specific. Good to know, yes. Only thing to know? NO. You need to be flexible because in two years that test will be outdated and not of extreme use when you're trying to figure out how to install apache on FreeBSD properly...they don't have ports on Red Hat :-) (heresy, I know, old schoolers are chanting *install from source! install from source!* and everyone should have had to try that at some point in their learning process...) Also, there's sub niches in learning system administration. You can't be a great jack of all trades, but you can be familiar with the areas and be really good at one or two. I hate hardware. I can make Cat5 patches, but I don't enjoy it. I know people that would love to spend all their time punching drops and if put in support would rather punch users. Some people spend more time getting adept at diagnosing network problems, or setting up servers and maintaining them. Some people get stuck in niches and never adapt or grow (ever find people who think Netware is the ultimate server OS for everything under the sun? Could you at least consider that maybe a small Linux machine could have handled that without the cost??). Some people truly enjoy helping users with training or minor tech support, like a lab support person. That list is daunting. Find what you like. After setting up five or six machines, you get exposed to that stuff in due time. If you're a fast learner and good at googling for information, it'll all be okay :-) > It took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it looks > like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to know. But > now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own for fun, I have > to learn other things I don't really have a need to learn for myself > or that I want to, just so that I can apply that to oth > er peoples' situations. Um...yeah. That happens. Surest way to kill a passion is to make it a job :-) Just make sure the benefits outweigh the hassles. You'll hang in there. You'll have to learn a lot of gotcha's along the way, that's just the way life is. Especially in technology. > The result is that lately learning these OSs has become more of a > chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still intimidated by what I need to > learn to get to where I want to go. It almost seems like it's not > worth it. That's a decision only you can make. You know, you don't need to stay in one profession your whole life. Why not combine radio with technology? Start a radio show about technology. Work as a consultant for stations. Start an Internet radio show like Radio Tiki did. Most departments in businesses aren't just one person. If you start a consultation business, take in employees or a partner. Or if you go into "the real world", there's usually other people working with you. You have to have a support system for learning, and in my experience, two people can easily complement each other in skills. That's why they hire other people...there's gaps that need filling in manpower or sheer "what the hell is causing this??" head scratchers. > Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people on this > list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has experienced this, > that learning new things in Unix-like OSs becomes more of a chore than > something to do for fun. My question is, what advice would you have > for dealing with this? What, that there's a lot to learn? Dude, it ain't gonna stop. If you enjoy figuring out the puzzles, you can keep up. You'll find a niche (or for consulting businesses, you MAKE your niche and people come to you). Computer paradigms have been changing and continue to change. Get experience, get exposure to new ideas, keep up in lists and enlist the aide of others, and work on your *researching* skills. Every day I'm hitting google for some oddball support question thrown my way and I'm poring over lists and support boards because of some Windows quirk or some new log entry that looks suspicious. If you dealing with the stress...well...burning out has some benefits too if your company has good medical compensation. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 20:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D0616A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945AF43D49 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:31:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74A410CE45 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <415FA64E.8010708@optonline.net> References: <20041002225028.05205e9a.metaridley@mchsi.com> <415FA64E.8010708@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ACFDFB0-157B-11D9-BD30-000D932C89A2@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:31:12 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:31:13 -0000 On Oct 3, 2004, at 3:12 AM, bsdfsse wrote: > > Ironically, I'm switching to FreeBSD because I'm already tired. My > bones are aching from years of abuse. I'm tired of.. > > ..being told what I can and can't do with my computers. Did you know > many scanners and photocopiers cannot reproduce money? Apparently the > US government has worked with the hardware manufactures to perform > this feat. What's next? Probably not being able to listen to music > that I'm not "certified" as owning. Or being able to rip a DVD I > purchased. (Somewhat OT...sorry...) I agree with your post 100%, and I remember frequent discussions about this (scanning money being hardware crippled), but sitting here and reading your post reminded me my wallet was on the desk and my new scanner is sitting here...well, thought I'd test it. Must be my scanner's broken, because I just scanned and printed the face side of a $20 bill. Almost 11" long on the printout, but still looks like a giant $20. Just curious if it would work or not. Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on my door... -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 21:26:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B99C16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:26:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D545B43D31 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:26:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from TM4525@aol.com) Received: from TM4525@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id n.9d.4fabdbb7 (3964) for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: TM4525@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.4fabdbb7.2e91c892@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:26:42 EDT To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:26:47 -0000 In a message dated 10/3/04 4:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bsilver@chrononomicon.com writes: >Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on >my door... Is the secret service in charge of counterfiting now? (as you can see no formal education is required to be an SA....) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 21:30:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88B416A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D212643D48 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.cullen@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from ape (81-178-74-107.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.74.107]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AFEEC4C0014E; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:30:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <094a01c4a990$c61eab60$f700000a@ape> From: "Markie" To: "Kris Kennaway" References: <056501c4a933$2f021b70$f700000a@ape> <20041003185632.GA20202@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:34:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice 1.1.3 package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:30:55 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Kennaway" To: "Markie" Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: OpenOffice 1.1.3 package On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:24:34AM +0100, Markie wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I just installed OpenOffice 1.1.3, via a package, on -CURRENT from a few >> days ago. >> >> pkg_add complained about not being able to find XFree86 and imake 4.3.0 (I >> think) and perl - which is odd because I do have perl installed - so I >> used -f to force it. > >This must be an old package, because 4.3.0 hasn't been in the ports >collection for some months now. > >Kris Do you think that might be the cause of my infinate 100% CPU loop thing? Should I try hunting around for something done using X.org instead? Sorry if the formatting is a bit crummy. Outlook Express.... Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 22:38:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9A416A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:38:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B0F543D39 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:38:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Mike.Jeays@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (mjeays2551@24.43.95.82 with plain) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2004 22:38:14 -0000 From: Mike Jeays To: TM4525@aol.com In-Reply-To: <9d.4fabdbb7.2e91c892@aol.com> References: <9d.4fabdbb7.2e91c892@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1096843093.30508.48.camel@chaucer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 03 Oct 2004 18:38:13 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:38:15 -0000 On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 17:26, TM4525@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/3/04 4:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bsilver@chrononomicon.com writes: > >Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on > >my door... > > Is the secret service in charge of counterfiting now? (as you can see no > formal education is required to be an SA....) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Anti-counterfeiting was one of the original purposes for which the Secret Service was formed. Be really careful about doing things like this - it is possible to get into a lot of trouble even with no criminal intent. As a purely theoretical question - is it possible to be guilty of an offence by being in possession of a digital image of a currency bill? At what resolution does it become an offence? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 22:51:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95816A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:51:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14124.mail.yahoo.com (web14124.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.171.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62DCA43D41 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:51:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from k_greenwood1@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20041003225120.49266.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.76.54.46] by web14124.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:51:20 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Greenwood" To: E.Schuele@Computer.Org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200410012154.41725.E.Schuele@Comcast.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NDISulator (aka. 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