From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Fri Apr 22 13:59:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ADCB17EF1 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D47E21A4D for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u3MDhOlG090594 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 06:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) To: In-Reply-To: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> References: , <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> From: "Chris H" Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 06:43:30 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=fixed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-id: <1a545b54f814503fa62c70b3961a3678@ultimatedns.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:59:17 -0000 On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:09:30 +0000 "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote > As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles > away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with > pkg, they can very well roll their own. > > It's nice to see the level of enthusiasm the FreeBSD project can > muster, I just wish it wasn't always enthusiasm for stopping progress. Ahem... *always*? ;-) While I *do* have some opinions on the upcoming pkg-base, as well as the pkg system, itself. I'm playing catch-up with my INBOX. So I will only respond to your remark; I don't ever recall having been asked whether a package system should be implemented, and if so, how it should look. *Prior* to it's having been implemented. Tho it may have come up in the IRC channels. It never reached the mailing lists. *This* is the reason that *this* and similar topics become so heated; People who are part of a "community", such as FreeBSD. Want to feel they are part of the "big picture", and immediately feel resentment, when they find they were left out of "big" decisions, like pkg(8). While the conversation may well have been heated. It would *not* have meet *quite* as much adamant, persistent resistance. Because it (pkg) would have been molded into something from the culmination of the "community'" input. This is only from 50 years in the service industry, and the thousands of mailing lists I've been on, talking here. --Chris > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"