From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 18 07:39:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007E634778D for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49nYjH6kTkz4FrD for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49nYjG00kRzFdwR for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1592465954; bh=zPY8HyYueIViOn9xtM5A2y0vmR4C1tQz2EQPXJwJieU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Nqt8nRp/LtJl78pmjoXAfXf2EkEzzynCWYHpDLqjHpeGuCuEk3b4Q02JBGibMG0RM 69k1xPzXmK+SYHm0birbZmae64pgONIUgQLhinjF1fHHC3Rafkm9lV7UdGeDTW3NIE Fst1k8nkWE/77SAeVhjCyMNUHL2lnlx0DkubNOdA= X-Riseup-User-ID: 9714AD13F14FA93DE26310CB3E5F68CA618EAA10A71BA91760B1CF3B36FE70BB Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49nYjF2ntdzJnGh for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:39:10 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Infinite stupid threads ... Message-ID: <20200618093910.44fa9ead@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49nYjH6kTkz4FrD X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=Nqt8nRp/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.16 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.065]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.528]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.967]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:39:17 -0000 On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:07:05 +0000 (UTC), Roderick wrote: >Normaly, one takes emails seriously, at least more seriously than >small talk forums, one reads every email, or is aware of every >incomming mail. That is why I read emails in the order they arrive, >I do not use threading with email. Full ACK. Btw. I sort by date, too and only sort by thread on demand. >Makes the mailing list less serious, people take emails less serious, >concentrate less on what is being written, at the end filter them to >trash or dev/null without even reading them. Yesno. I dislike plain technical mailing lists without any small talk. Under normal circumstances it's reasonable to read the body of an email ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ with a subject like "Will FreeBSD migrate away from BSD-style init?" and to reply. At the moment it's safe to redirect emails with similar ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ subjects to /dev/null , without even considering to read the emails' bodies. When there's room for small talk, it temporarily could become a problem, even without provocateurs, so for a short time it's necessary to take measures, at least if provocateurs are involved. Btw. a nice measure for a seldom happening emergency case is to shut down a mailing list for 3 days. Usually nobody needs to get banned and after 3 days everything is ok again.