Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:39:02 +0300 From: Kostik Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: stas@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer <mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org>, Rui Paulo <rpaulo@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: rdmsr from userspace Message-ID: <20080519153902.GG18958@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <200805191037.12130.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <482E93C0.4070802@icyb.net.ua> <48307700.70304@FreeBSD.org> <20080518152945.60989b9c@bhuda.mired.org> <200805191037.12130.jhb@freebsd.org>
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--TG/adJaYDs0AFCGK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:37:11AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Sunday 18 May 2008 03:29:45 pm Mike Meyer wrote: > > On Sun, 18 May 2008 19:35:44 +0100 > > > > Rui Paulo <rpaulo@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:50:28 +0100 > > > > > > > > Rui Paulo <rpaulo@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > > > >> Mike Meyer wrote: > > > >>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:13:52 +0300 > > > >>> > > > >>> Andriy Gapon <avg@icyb.net.ua> wrote: > > > >>>> It seems that rdmsr instruction can be executed only at the high= est > > > >>>> privilege level and thus is not permitted from userland. Maybe we > > > >>>> should provide something like Linux /dev/cpu/msr? > > > >>>> I don't like interface of that device, I think that ioctl approa= ch > > > >>>> would be preferable in this case. > > > >>>> Something like create /dev/cpuN and allow some ioctls on it: > > > >>>> ioctl(cpu_fd, CPU_RDMSR, arg). > > > >>>> What do you think? > > > >>> > > > >>> Ok, this points directly at a question I've been wondering about,= but > > > >>> haven't been able to find an answer in the google. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been mucking about with general access to sysctl's (a sysctl > > > >>> plugin for gkrellm, and a python module for accessing sysctls), a= nd > > > >>> with that hammer in my hand, the nail for this problem is obvious= ly a > > > >>> dev.cpu.#.msr sysctl. > > > >> > > > >> How can you request a rdmsr within the sysctl tree? I don't think > > > >> sysctl is appropriate here either. > > > > > > > > Reading (or writing) a sysctl mib can trigger a sysctl handler, whi= ch > > > > can do pretty much anything. In particular, there are already examp= les > > > > in the kernel where sysctl handlers use devices that don't have /dev > > > > entries to get & set their values. Look through kern/kern_cpu.c and > > > > i386/cpufreq/p4tcc.c to see the two ends of that kind of > > > > connection. In fact, the cpu frequency sysctls would seem to be an > > > > excellent model for something like the msr. > > > > > > > > ioctl, open+read/write, sysctl - they're all just interfaces to ker= nel > > > > handlers. > > > > > > > > <mike > > > > > > Yes, sure, but who do you select the MSR you want to read or write? > > > > > > dev.cpu.N.<insert MSR number in hexadecimal here> ? > > > > I don't think that would work - you'd have to register all those > > hexadecimal strings as sysctl names. You could do an interface like > > this, but the calling program would have to use sysctlnametomib to get > > dev.cpu.N.msr, then append the MSR number to the results. Not really > > very pretty. If you want to allow the user to poke at arbitrary msrs, > > this would be a way to do it with sysctls, but the file api is > > probably better. >=20 > Actually, you don't have to register all of them. You can write a node= =20 > handler which parses the next item in the MIB directly. Look at the all = the=20 > proc sysctl's which accept a PID for example. That said, I think if some= one=20 > already has a device driver done that is fine. I also think it is ok to = let=20 > root request arbitrary MSR's from userland using an ioctl() or the like. I started a conversation with Stas about committing the driver. --TG/adJaYDs0AFCGK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgxnxYACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4iWDgCgtAOhfzbuL1VEJ69e09B8tOjO EVgAoLhCGDgAX31TLHuxtgsBii2YyHBd =ukOk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TG/adJaYDs0AFCGK--
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