Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:48:24 -0400 From: Carter Bullard <carter@qosient.com> To: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: net-mgmt/argus-monitor Message-ID: <302FA7CA-A4DB-4514-957D-963CF677C745@qosient.com> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1vkhK3cLGWnXq5JLEvG1OHpW6nacg7QEJZD-xn3yTkL0g@mail.gmail.com> References: <ECAB97E6-54AE-41AA-83EF-AAD31D766420@qosient.com> <CAN6yY1vkhK3cLGWnXq5JLEvG1OHpW6nacg7QEJZD-xn3yTkL0g@mail.gmail.com>
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--Apple-Mail=_AF0CD931-98D8-4B8E-8741-DC8BA3B908C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Kevin, 1988, not 1998. Oh there is no question that the tcp for me guy has = been undermining the original Georgia Tech / CMU argus, since he started. = Yes I was aware of the Lawrence Livermore group, because of the work I had done while at Georgia Tech, but that project was not a network security tool. Our use of the name argus, started in 1986 at Georgia Tech, and = was used on the NSFnet backbone, which I managed as a part of Suranet, starting in 1987. It was reference by NIST between 1994-2002, as the = only network auditing (Red Book style) tool, those pages are long gone, but was definitely there. The first reference to argus at NANOG was my = argus, when I was in their security group, and the first presentation at the = IETF RMON group in 1993, on network flow monitoring was this argus. All use of argus as a network security flow monitor in the US DoD, DARPA, DISA, IC, DHS and State Dept, are my argus, as much as I can tell, as my argus is in the only one currently in the FOSS (federal open source system), and on sourceforge.mil. And yes the Chinese group that presented their BGP paper this year, asked us if we would change our name, since they had been using the name for 6 months, and thought it hard to change their DNS entry. Had no Idea that we have been using the name for almost 20 years. It will take me a while to get that addressed as well. It is very hard to hold onto your image as a project, when there is so much confusion, and blatant piracy. I know that is a strong word, but when you've got a guy changing your Wikipedia entries, sectools.org entries to put his home page on your project, it's just a major pain. It would be nice if the community could be more supportive. Carter Carter Bullard CEO/President QoSient, LLC 150 E 57th Street Suite 12D New York, New York 10022 +1 212 588-9133 Phone +1 212 588-9134 Fax On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Carter Bullard <carter@qosient.com> = wrote: >> Gentle people, >> Please be aware that this software has " stolen " its name from = Carnegie Mellon University's and QoSient, LLC's open source network = monitor, Argus. http://qosient.com/argus. The original argus, first = developed in 1988 and released as open source in1993, is an advanced = network flow monitor, discussed in the IETF, and the US NIST, used by = 10,000's of sites for network performance and security monitoring, is = referenced in 100's of academic journals. It is used by many Gov'ts, = Institutions and Corporations, and is in the top 100 security tools used = in the internet (sectools.org). >>=20 >> Thank you for your consideration, >>=20 >> Carter >>=20 >> Carter Bullard >> CEO/President >> QoSient, LLC >> 150 E 57th Street Suite 12D >> New York, New York 10022 >>=20 >> +1 212 588-9133 Phone >> +1 212 588-9134 Fax >=20 > While the CMU Argus goes back to 1998, the one in the ports tree as > "argus-monitor" is somewhat older, having originated in 1996. It is > also an open source tool and, as such, the name "Argus" is a fairly > obvious one. I worked with the Argus Security Monitor, a physical > security management software package at Lawrence Livermore National > Laboratory back in the 1980s, so the use of the Argus name for > security software pre-dates both of these projects. The LLNL Argus was > used by a number of government facilities and may well still be in > use. >=20 > So, while the CMU developed Argus may be very popular, it is quite > unlikely that the name was "stolen" by either project and, since the > other Argus is older, it seems the CMU Argus could be the only one to > steal the name. I might also mention that an Argus prefix highjack > monitor also exists. It was developed in China. >=20 > I first heard of the one FreeBSD lists as "argus-monitor" back at a > North American Network Operators meeting a great many years ago and it > is also quite popular in the networking community. I suspect that both > may be counted in the survey du to the unfortunate name collision. >=20 > N.B. I have no involvement with either Argus and both are in the > FreeBSD ports. The CMU developed one is net-mgmt/argus3. I am also not > involved with the FreeBSD ports other than as a user and volunteer. > --=20 > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_AF0CD931-98D8-4B8E-8741-DC8BA3B908C3 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFVDCCBVAw ggQ4oAMCAQICEFJNLYtk2GouI8xfX85LptwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgd0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEfMB0GA1UECxMWVmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29y azE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9ycGEg KGMpMDkxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90IFZhbGlkYXRlZDE3MDUGA1UEAxMuVmVyaVNpZ24g Q2xhc3MgMSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1YnNjcmliZXIgQ0EgLSBHMzAeFw0xMjA0MTcwMDAwMDBaFw0x MzA0MTcyMzU5NTlaMIIBEzEXMBUGA1UEChMOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4xHzAdBgNVBAsTFlZlcmlT aWduIFRydXN0IE5ldHdvcmsxRjBEBgNVBAsTPXd3dy52ZXJpc2lnbi5jb20vcmVwb3NpdG9yeS9S UEEgSW5jb3JwLiBieSBSZWYuLExJQUIuTFREKGMpOTgxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90IFZh bGlkYXRlZDEzMDEGA1UECxMqRGlnaXRhbCBJRCBDbGFzcyAxIC0gTmV0c2NhcGUgRnVsbCBTZXJ2 aWNlMRcwFQYDVQQDFA5DYXJ0ZXIgQnVsbGFyZDEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSY2FydGVyQHFvc2ll bnQuY29tMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA3Dza5eRSKhQDYNN6qLRAbRjv N0zZtvfAqrU6lyPjxXp+PdX4M7SgnvF0psbBiy+NFmnuHaTnhh7derYRt9LZIQbM+SBNbEQB5Pru Ow31obtfJqtlxcu2ZegOo8+i862SBUm+HImkrYluPqntdGOkP6YYtTYNNYYF9xke57VjOlnVMIgv eq4mTCgkvoO4p2hpYAkn7A7vMgMak1BkQP2e/I6MvhsWVJOLg3S5i17UKxibRdisgrpUx1ISP94H n4e3FiJWrEy7Ey83A3Z95yc5Q4c0Je0E0EGMH8bYpKVudsOHf0Jnekr/1dfS01tdFryKbDAaMIoN UnY83DK+YvnxBwIDAQABo4HSMIHPMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwRAYDVR0gBD0wOzA5BgtghkgBhvhFAQcX ATAqMCgGCCsGAQUFBwIBFhxodHRwczovL3d3dy52ZXJpc2lnbi5jb20vcnBhMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIF oDAdBgNVHSUEFjAUBggrBgEFBQcDBAYIKwYBBQUHAwIwUAYDVR0fBEkwRzBFoEOgQYY/aHR0cDov L2luZGMxZGlnaXRhbGlkLWczLWNybC52ZXJpc2lnbi5jb20vSW5kQzFEaWdpdGFsSUQtRzMuY3Js MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4IBAQBJEOlRpMnT4lw4QM47mXcWQBTLbZqsR2k294l6wUFSDdk9sFup T6JgccoOn5+9C+1lWGgVByk6WWZP+ad6G3vIFBgFxB7e6ztSWodPIExbU2/B5iD5AldGYf/RmwyU gjjb5A7VYujFysv054V2o2Nv7IEsu7uQtr4egaOmFJ2/mOGDgHjdxhCzvIl0L3wuxaJGTiNTPUX6 9uIZTL8mxhRcibkaMaB/Cf1CQ8Qe4jIAQ60QHUxVxAaVkE+3TkRquW+vxLYy46K0JsKr1cmAePWf gYaquejryCpF4DidUYlseC692xId7IV4atHonM7JjjK1Fd74bWXH4j7XJTjHs2FlMYIEizCCBIcC AQEwgfIwgd0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEfMB0GA1UECxMW VmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29yazE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0IGh0dHBzOi8v d3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9ycGEgKGMpMDkxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90IFZhbGlkYXRl ZDE3MDUGA1UEAxMuVmVyaVNpZ24gQ2xhc3MgMSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1YnNjcmliZXIgQ0EgLSBH MwIQUk0ti2TYai4jzF9fzkum3DAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIICbTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcN AQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xMzAzMjIwMzQ4MjVaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBRl903hECKH ytxT/wBw/36xbSMmwjCCAQMGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGB9TCB8jCB3TELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxFzAVBgNV BAoTDlZlcmlTaWduLCBJbmMuMR8wHQYDVQQLExZWZXJpU2lnbiBUcnVzdCBOZXR3b3JrMTswOQYD VQQLEzJUZXJtcyBvZiB1c2UgYXQgaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudmVyaXNpZ24uY29tL3JwYSAoYykwOTEe MBwGA1UECxMVUGVyc29uYSBOb3QgVmFsaWRhdGVkMTcwNQYDVQQDEy5WZXJpU2lnbiBDbGFzcyAx IEluZGl2aWR1YWwgU3Vic2NyaWJlciBDQSAtIEczAhBSTS2LZNhqLiPMX1/OS6bcMIIBBQYLKoZI hvcNAQkQAgsxgfWggfIwgd0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEf MB0GA1UECxMWVmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29yazE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0 IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9ycGEgKGMpMDkxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90 IFZhbGlkYXRlZDE3MDUGA1UEAxMuVmVyaVNpZ24gQ2xhc3MgMSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1YnNjcmli ZXIgQ0EgLSBHMwIQUk0ti2TYai4jzF9fzkum3DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAKUdalQWgx+GXF qaqVTukBTNT6VhM6EXZ3QbfGX5p7GU7Ejo3VWvlZD4DcrSU/Fep9HwaHloDDa342XZaTwduwOg/q ztDE0kc+dunQVXEtGLuJzJj/ip2kwooabu+rOG8ahwCK+jLzeS6WYYxJ1PR4gzcTjcKWimum2Amu l+7gJRYpR8ku9qSIdpfha7PfaPCosXi0TcFUHyGc0+iNVJw4CPjLNr4NNzmMZY2aUN6tjegOGJbl H4tYnXMk8rFoL/M4vHzj3fkXZ3qH1Tg61dqZR8q9aHcFMuv/deDDR7y06K8hj6F2+wVwqU9cF/XN z5xfbTby9Xp33acZKdG5XHinAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail=_AF0CD931-98D8-4B8E-8741-DC8BA3B908C3--
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