From owner-freebsd-java Thu Jun 20 20:36: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE3837B407 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 17LFDI-0001tB-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:35:56 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5L3ZtE02724; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:35:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:35:55 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Mikhail Kruk , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Future of Java question.... Message-ID: <20020621043555.A2658@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20020621035341.A2383@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20020621041657.A2565@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20020620203124.E94323@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20020620203124.E94323@agora.rdrop.com>; from alan@batie.org on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 08:31:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 08:31:24PM -0700, Alan Batie wrote: | On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:16:57AM +0100, j mckitrick wrote: | > Interesting. Verizon here in the states claim they moved all their | > online apps to .Net. I wonder what kind they are? | | Maybe that explains why their web site doesn't work very well. | | Personally, I don't think the bloat is inherent in the language; we | need to be pushing for better implementations. But when you take network connections, and turn them into simple classes that only need to be instantiated, you are encapsulating a huge amount of socket/connection code. That equals bloat, correct? Maybe the language itself is efficient, but OOP is not. jm -- Java on a laptop: the JIT hits the fan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message