Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:03:00 -0800 From: Jason Wells <jcwells@u.washington.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbie... Message-ID: <32E94DB4.2491@u.washington.edu> References: <Pine.LNX.3.93.970122071911.180F-100000@bridget.devlab.org>
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Primarily, I would like to say that the FreeBSD distribution is the
greatest thing that I have happened upon in the computing community
since I registered Jay Cotton's KALI software. "shameless plug-gamers
check it out" All of the users here at this mailing list have been a
great help. KUDOS to the whole FreeBSD organization and commuinity.
Perhaps I am little too "fresh" to UNIX to be commenting here, but I
simply cannot resist.
Lets use a small comparison to examine matra's posting. Lets say I want
to do all the things that the FreeBSD CDROM distribution will allow.
Let's say I will attempt to do these things using a commercially
available OS like...oh say... Windows NT. Now what other functionanlity
to do we need to add to our system to make it match that of the freebsd
distibution on CDROM. Well, lets buy a database and word proccesing.
Lets add some http server. We'll need mail, news and ftp. Lets use
netscapes package of goodies to make our shopping easier.
Windows NT $400
Office $400
Netscape Suite $3500
---------------------
Total $4300
Hmmm. Wallnut creek CDROM. 50 smackers. Lets see how many upgrade we can
get for FreeBSD for the price of one of our alternate setups. That would
be 86. Assuming that a new distribution came out once per year you can
upgrade your system for the next 86 years.
WOOOOW!! That is a great value. But it gets even better. You can update
FreeBSD the same you told us you update LINUX. Use FTP. How much does
this cost? It is FREE!!
Regarding a commercial arrangement between Walnut Creek and FreeBSD. So
what if there is. If FreeBSD gets any compensation from Walnut Creek
that can only mean that FreeBSD will have more resources eith which to
make great free software for me. I appreciate free fully featured
software. When I get heavy enuff I will, in turn, make my contribution
to the cause.
Now, concerning a curious need to not have the same setup as everyone
else. The 'alternate' setup described does not come with source code.
Not much flexibility there. You can write just about any functionality
into existing code using the FreeBSD distribution. Hack at it.
As a closing comment...
OPINION != KNOWLEDGE
I.E. Know what your talking about _before_ you levy criticsms against
the group of people who have worked hard only to hear you gripe. They at
least deserve a well formulated gripe.
matra wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Doug White wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, matra wrote:
> >
> > > Under Linux i have only to patch the kernel and recompile! Why have i to
> > > install and recompile everyting ?!..
> >
> > [soapbox on]
> > Because we do not do things the way Linux does. FreeBSD is composed of
> > highly organized RELEASES. One kernel version, one set of binaries, one
> > published install set. Not ten. When you get the FreeBSD CDROM, you can
> > say, "This IS FreeBSD," not, "This is xyz's mishmash of FreeBSD."
>
> So have i to buy EVERY Walnut Creek CD to have a current and not obsolete
> FreeBSD box ?!
>
> My linux box has a 197mb /usr/src directory . Every time a new
> program/kernel etc/etc was announced ,i just ftp it . Why have i to wait
> WC's cds to have the newest system ?
>
> >
> > Hope this helps you understand our way of doing things. :-)
>
> Yes , i understand . IMHO FreeBSD is too "Walnut Creek CD" oriented .
> I ran Linux for over 2 years buying only the first Slackware and upgrading
> my system from the net , every time i wanted .
>
> I hope that isn't a commercial alliance ...
>
> So i have to buy every WC's dists to stay "tuned" on FreeBSD!It is not a
> money affair for me ;The fact is that i HATE "mirrors" of other systems
> on my computer .I want to create my OWN dist.
>
> If u are right , i cannot do it .
--
Thank you,
Wannabe Sysadmin
Jason Wells
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