From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 19 13:39:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C957106566C; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yerenkow@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F388FC0C; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so5855996ggn.13 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:39:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3lafZdW7FjQwsg/ddhWPav/+PadBzHpHigeVEwEYI50=; b=S7xgKsi5Y4gAvXSK00qaNwcVLkjUVxbQFSSrGtPSxzDWHrJVb1XQU4HtyQmEfBgy++ SVs1eb7xSV30VxDf6+TN78KtA6l75KSyzEv2BtoePCcMgWhMX7vc0iRZLp219AcdfTmI UdWfIueepxrteTZf4Dukc98KCmh0SYHDQ01A8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.112.9 with SMTP id im9mr2072693obb.74.1324300615141; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.150.70 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4EE1EAFE.3070408@m5p.com> <4EE2AE64.9060802@m5p.com> <4EE88343.2050302@m5p.com> <4EE933C6.4020209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111215024249.GA13557@icarus.home.lan> <4EE9A2A0.80607@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <6140271.20111219122721@serebryakov.spb.ru> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:16:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Alexander Yerenkow To: Edho Arief Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org, Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:39:49 -0000 IMHO, no offence, as always. As were told, Phoronix used "default" setup, not tuned. So? Is average user will tune it after setup? No, he'll get same defaults, and would expect same performance as in tests, and he probably get it. The problem of FreeBSD is not it's default settings, some kind of very-safe defaults really should be there. But problem really is lacking of choosing them (defaults) during install, for average users. For example, few checkboxes with common sysctl tuning would be perfect, even if they would be marked as "Experimental", or not recommended. I'm thinking it's better way to make something in one place (like in installer) rather than require make almost same actions in many (hundreds of thousands?... more?...) places (end-users forced to read mail-lists/handbooks/forums over and over for same solutions). Simple example - many connections for PostgreSQL is not available on FreeBSD out-of-box. Just google "postgresql freebsd max connection" and you'll see how many there bikesheds requested and same solutions posted again and again :) FreeBSD currently have very obscure, closed community. To get in touch, you need to subscribe to several mail lists, constantly read them, I've just found recently (my shame of course) in mail list that there is service ( pub.allbsd.org) which constantly building current versions. This is great, but at homepage of freebsd.org there is no word about it :) I hope we all do something good about this, and things will going to change. -- Regards, Alexander Yerenkow