From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 18:21:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0975B11E1 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com (mail-lf1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2pwx5ZlNz4qmq for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id g8so7849447lfv.12 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:21:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7xukxKZ98hmyoWvTzJZeV+BloCtdxOv383bL2Cl1xwU=; b=HlnDAxG0mdAyTyfyoT89C/uEWWj78uz+U606K8tyKTLhRsQmv/1O0VdYcYOcbtKcw2 G7eOSe33CINqO8qZBj6t3KXQ5Owd3m1a2e59N3IQ5Ch1vQwq0x0ZYSfXhCZ9UAS9s3tT 6V5+03f8dy5vbA5TVm37nEYEEQPOy7duoymS7q+prAkAgumluVAJ3jWOJHp5TajnFeJQ euX6jWUpfYtc+fgr3xZXtoW6KdGTNoppCQ2Mv3vlWMPhQLaL0LGBMAR4PE22uCJPdwIB PSeMxOe9Pg1LUgxTVbVmA0c8H2/mgQiv7UflFYslRL8WCVjH4koZnkm+llb9e++hwHTj 0kaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7xukxKZ98hmyoWvTzJZeV+BloCtdxOv383bL2Cl1xwU=; b=NAQcKi5NoALIETO1FUmG+Xj7bRaJjVS3ISzWZRyJ1DdOdY9aQwfCoYYD/5Iqg1uJLX 897wYccDKWXiiWV46gcmhbYoAKcNEkHBEE4zuWe+Y2DqSrDbD434vxra38Ra84vHSsw6 AzXbj8rn9UkqInXTlzMmGDWLOYhWXLNzsnDcIjU+ZmbMf6gxVnX8zx/ccdVYvM3/Yk7j +yCUguLJrHTEklJ4Xbnrgh6JOnWqQVXX44eTehRsf44YEu2Ls7bW/PcIWriULk2h0/7x cxCviyx2hCghn+fGdr51tPNWJykpDsIobCr+UW8u2z3mhrfsXSGyteDvkNLTG4oFY73W 4zPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533T3F+sOUbIU2DatqYqSrufHNWtt1fekaZHA/iFDNuIcfqc2c51 WF/BYh86QHk87EiSWzFWDJEdzbJy38Nd46Cq2UKR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJykwv4m9re+eG3drhrFpC41ArrispylEHtSqYOd6XzOOwhGCSz3mfbmAGnlambf8P5ulF6wIcqbWK7ouQtYxbU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:314d:: with SMTP id s13mr4024052lfi.95.1616264461731; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> <20210320063427.000040f5@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Mohammad Noureldin Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 19:20:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2pwx5ZlNz4qmq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=HlnDAxG0; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mohammad@thelightbird.com does not designate 2a00:1450:4864:20::131 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mohammad@thelightbird.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[thelightbird.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::131:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::131:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::131:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:21:06 -0000 Hi Aryeh, On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:51 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:38 PM Mohammad Noureldin < > mohammad@thelightbird.com> wrote: > >> >> > That was said by only one - very loud - member of FreeBSD community, >> > people here are much milder and way more polite. And I for one do not >> share >> > the view that FreeBSD in particular and open source systems in general >> are >> > only for people with [some] technical knowledge. >> > >> >> That was exactly my point :) . One reason to share my opinions, though I >> am >> new here, is that I have 100% trust in the openness, inclusiveness and >> friendliness of the FreeBSD community. But some conversations may be read >> in the wrong way in readers didn't read the details of the discussion. >> > > You are missing the point I was making with the original comment on the > who and why Unix was designed. It was not to say that it is only for > technical people but it was to say when you run into an issue that requires > you to dive into deeper water then normal you have no right to complain > about how the deep end was designed to be so deep.... it was designed that > way because you need deep water to safely have a (high) diving board to > jump from when your doing more than just swimming laps.... so if you don't > know how to swim (you only know how to float/dog paddle) you should not > attempt to swim in the deep end... in this metaphor Unix (without a lot of > very fancy GUI work like Apple does) is the deep end... i.e. you might not > need or use the diving board but you have no right to complain about there > being a deep end if you decide to do full pool laps (it is on you to get > the skills needed to be in the deep end before entering it). > I see what you are trying to explain. Again no real difference or objection here. Some topics are indeed clear deep water and I do agree with you that if someone who barely knows how to swim, they should not just dive in that deep water. But some other points are not deep for some people while it is for others, and there where we need to be helpful, which I am sure we are. As I said, I have full trust in our FreeBSD community, so lets not keep going into that circle a lot :). > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Mohammad Noureldin Founder/Owner The Lightbird