From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 6 17:12:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751DB106566B for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CA18FC13 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 7A00423 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 18:11:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD58C7A.70609@stillbilde.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 18:12:26 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4D8A9.8030900@too1337.com> <20101106161636.GD12418@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7D5A7389D53775FB53808C18" Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:12:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7D5A7389D53775FB53808C18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06.11.2010 17:44, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Chad Perrin wro= te: >=20 >> On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote: >>> On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >>>> Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people >>>> who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other tha= n >>>> Solaris from using it? >>>> >>>> Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the l= ong >>>> run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just >> wonders >>>> if the CDDL is "dangerous" somehow. >>>> >>> >>> I would be surprised. Oracle (real Oracle, not Sun) is still the prim= ary >>> developer of btrfs on Linux. They are pretty much going for feature >>> parity with ZFS and want people to actually use it. If they start sui= ng >>> over ZFS patents which are certainly applicable to btrfs, it will hav= e >>> repercussions on that side. >> >> Perhaps. >> >> On the other hand, Oracle could offer some kind of "patent covenant" >> protecting btrfs while going after a ZFS fork as a way of "focing" peo= ple >> to migrate from it to btrfs, as a more hostile way of achieving what >> Microsoft does when it ends support for an older OS to get people to b= uy >> the newer Windows release. >> >> . . . or maybe Oracle will decide it doesn't need the open source >> community's help any longer at some future date, and shut down *both* >> open source filesystem development projects. >> >> Oracle is known to be at least intermittently hostile toward open sour= ce >> software, in ways that are sometimes more frightening than Microsoft's= >> hostility. This is scaring people, and I don't blame them. The >> uncertainty about Oracle's future position on everything it has acquir= ed >> with Sun is something that will need to be tested and observed to see = how >> it shakes out in the next few years; in the meantime, I do not blame >> anyone for being cautious about committing to use of open source softw= are >> under the Oracle umbrella. >> >> -- >> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]= >> >=20 > Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps flaggi= ng > your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothi= ng > bad :D I suppose they are the PGP signature? //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =C3=98stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. 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