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Date:      Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:29:51 -0500
From:      "Kutulu" <kutulu@kutulu.org>
To:        "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com>, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, <RoKlein@roklein.de>, "Chip" <chip@wiegand.org>
Cc:        <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: home pc use
Message-ID:  <013f01c171c7$6ffcbeb0$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com>
References:  <006901c171b1$f549f760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <012801c171b6$845a9500$0a00000a@atkielski.com>

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From: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 6:28 AM

> I wouldn't mind running the server on my Windows machine, but no X Server
for
> Windows seems to cost less than $250-$500 dollars.  In fact, I'd actually
prefer
> to run the server on my Windows machine, as I treat FreeBSD as a server
machine,
> not a separate desktop.

XFree86 actually runs on Windows now (via Cygwin).  See
http://xfree86/cygwin.com.  I have been running it for several months now,
and thus far it seems to have it's pros and cons.  It's somewhat flaky on
Windows 98 (and the install documentation says so) but Windows 2000 seems to
get along with it fine.

On the plus side:
  * There is only one Win32 X server, which uses DirectX.  Therefore, the
video hardware support is exactly as good as the support you get from
Windows.
  * It's Free.  Similar X Servers, as you say, cost a lot of money.
  * It's the same codebase as the XFree86 that Linux/BSD run.
  * It runs inside a window, giving me the same basic functionality I get
from terminal server or VNC, except to my BSD systems.
  * It's open-source, therefore anyone with the time and skill can fix the
problems listed below.
  * Since it does run as a user-level process via DirectX, it has very
little chance of taking the OS down with it.  In fact, I've never once had
it actually GPF on Windows 2000, though it has exited abnormally a few
times.

On the down side:
  * It's kinda pokey.  Of course, part of that is the inherent slowness of X
running over a network, but part of it seems to be inherent slowness in the
server.
  * It takes a bit to set up.  The commercial X servers (I used eXceed when
it didn't cost so much, and XWin32 as a demo) are much easier to install and
use.  And I still haven't figured out how to get it to use XDMCP the way
XWin32 does.
  * I've run into a few X programs that crash the server (Kylix routinely).
This I take as a sign of the immaturity of the server more than anything
else.
  * It's kinda kudgy.  You basically install the entire Cygwin environment,
which gives you a UNIX-alike runtime environment in Win32, then install
XFree86 on top of that.  It takes a lot of disk space, and I suspect it also
relates to some of the speed problems.

But, as mentioned, it's open source and free, so it can only get better and
more stable from here.  Definitely worth looking into.

--K




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