From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 21 05:13:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C023E566E for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 05:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x342.google.com (mail-ot1-x342.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::342]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BvszC2lYfz3VDs for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 05:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x342.google.com with SMTP id a2so11214818otr.11 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 22:13:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P4ETM1Rk6rpZchgDTUeCBBVU7RknTqgdamOAYS8IvmQ=; b=O57ZOBVkOVNI/+npyIbyfPbmGYEz3Xbk5M4Fq3ijzFOkhhOrqECxaG/0T5Vpm4K24K ldOL5Tg6X6BCZEqt2/KUrQrg46uePmr6m9A99tw0ISqFry2czXp6mMgv/ar+xgP9YlIf JD2C8OB8nRmXVJhWkSiA0mJcMXNDSJRkLP3x+o4eUIcWa6GTJn0zqEXFekYkdk/uKZik 7EDxT5jRYuNA0VWwIZtQl2AgqSV4gXQJ4Guu+J81aGPxFNOD3uNSLnw5I0x0+DTSTiuN rSQSnzBJUHdMfb8CbbRqM0vSzxik3UiN+c4IpeTPIImziNY3KrtT2Ve4RL7wLXZW4w2z RljA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P4ETM1Rk6rpZchgDTUeCBBVU7RknTqgdamOAYS8IvmQ=; b=saGzJZxbjXaM6pdVW8aN1WdhCUZQv2cJSDd/2sbjID37CiTNhkvyQuYCvyKHXVZ6mX k1N7op3l0w8viddIEeS5DBPpGRglMCCHeEoB1YA5NSm+XMDcsUeoEStBLPewn0C1XkaE 5CYIcbH0sj2r5Cen+d6+cuImfVOfMr8nKYqvELA3uZmONT3i8Wv++IigXl0dy6ifkK1r mIlOC9Nu0wA/ZKk+ogbRpMGZy9LL6v5JL1PZ2CMf5BSy72+RqvF/dhpPkvxXT3zEyQqN yZ4UsKj6nNl8Fv2epfRgvdGUi7RJFXSav4RSvnZusncgEt8ZKFRHa9x8mbrWANu6JVSN E/cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531xxVOLNHBSKZRQA36zpUTJo6A8D/iK3Yre98AMBh/IBcxQ5k4C lWFF6gUepD90jO2hVYzF8rWsYfQIqvX6nQRtRm4SoMJcyUw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzUhRsp8mF7KkVYJ/r0Z78D++Q2QdJRW3zwteAXVhYgmEcSMrX61BWsZVss3ipSzDn8zj2EZWLGu+segCNUnvM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:30a6:: with SMTP id g6mr15387500ots.199.1600665206380; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200919180814.00005391@seibercom.net> <20200920035310.72276666@archlinux> <20200920162833.433a14ce.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200920165453.78d03bdd@archlinux> <20200920171134.8140e330.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200920171134.8140e330.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 22:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dual-booting/triple-booting FreeBSD under UEFI To: Polytropon Cc: Ralf Mardorf , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BvszC2lYfz3VDs X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=O57ZOBVk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::342 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.22 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.488]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.013]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.020]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::342:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 05:13:27 -0000 I would strongly urge that you look at rEFInd. It has a nice interface, boot most any OS, and is pretty easy to set up. You can find a nice set of instructions at https://gist.github.com/zeising/5d2402d92b4cf421c7402d663b2d9e41#file-gistfile1-txt The author is not a native English speaker, so the syntax is not quite perfect, but it really is clear and simple. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:54:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:28:33 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > >On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 03:53:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > >> A business technology news website spreading inaccurate news isn't > > >> required to get informed about known vulnerabilities. > > > > > >If they aren't even able to get (or interested in getting) the > > >terminology correct... if I remember correctly, what GRUB does > > >is called a "boot manager" (thing that usually interactively > > >selects from different operating systems to boot, or configures > > >the boot of one operating system, by setting boot parameters or > > >kernel options). GRUB does this even in Linux-only installations. > > >A boot loader can be a standard MBR, without any interactivity, > > >that loads an operating system. This is the typical situation > > >on systems running FreeBSD exclusively. > > > > > >Or is there a different definition or consensus of the words? > > > > IMO it's correct to call grub a "boot loader", too. > > > > "Boot loader > > > > A boot loader is a piece of software started by the firmware (BIOS or > > UEFI). [snip] A separate boot loader or boot manager can still be used > > for the purpose of editing kernel parameters before booting." - > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_boot_process#Boot_loader > > Okay, so a boot manager is a specific kind of boot loader > (subclass). Today I learned. :-) > > +-------------+ > | UEFI / BIOS | > +------+------+ > | > | > V > +-------------+ > | boot loader | = [ standard boot block | interactive boot manager ] > +------+------+ > | > | > V > ... > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >