From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 16:34:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15E31065673; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:8200:216:3eff:fe2c:dc8f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7235F8FC16; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.25.0.9] ([96.54.172.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pB2GYvEF069770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Chris Rees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20111202015133.GA4111@dragon.NUXI.org> <20111202064132.GC88903@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <4ED8776F.9060301@FreeBSD.org> <20111202072349.GA89183@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20111202083501.GA73959@dragon.NUXI.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (OSX 962 2008-03-14) Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:34:59 -0000 > Nothing is being broken here, just a default being changed. > > Users make up a greater proportion of our userbase than developers, so > sensible defaults for them are more appropriate, right? This has no impact on non-developer end-users. For "developer" end-users, this has a huge impact. You are forcing each and every developer who wants to profile their code to modify their /etc/src.conf and then 'make buildworld' solely because Max can't be bothered to add one line to his own /etc/src.conf. Developers who profile their code makes up a greater proportion of our userbase than 'Max', so sensible defaults for them are more appropriate, right? --lyndon