Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:27:43 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org> To: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> Cc: Eitan Adler <eadler@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, svn-src-stable@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-stable-11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r330451 - in stable/11/sys: dev/iwm dev/otus dev/usb/wlan net80211 Message-ID: <20180310082743.GB18340@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1520617802.84937.26.camel@freebsd.org> References: <201803050754.w257swAE001435@repo.freebsd.org> <6465173.s2nWvWCLOs@ralph.baldwin.cx> <CAF6rxg=wE9Ams9MsS-q5w9HV_aXst036BngYKKUeaYWedvfOLg@mail.gmail.com> <8377086.JrIgVVMXMv@ralph.baldwin.cx> <CAF6rxgmQBX_Oq_BW-6K94obSGhigRqMtkhhYvOCypoiVte85MQ@mail.gmail.com> <20180309110240.GA77718@FreeBSD.org> <1520617802.84937.26.camel@freebsd.org>
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On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 10:50:02AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 11:02 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > I often have mixed feelings when I see lots of similar changes (i.e. > > that make up for better hardware support, esp. on a laptop) MFCed. > > I'd rather see laptop users run -CURRENT and leave -STABLE branches > > for very conservative (server?) users who can't/don't want to afford > > the risks of running -CURRENT or require ABI stability in a really > > long run, rather than binge-merging things. :-) > > > > By default it should be -CURRENT all over; it's a very good thing > > that we as a Project ourselves are doing this as part of our own > > dogfood eating strategy. > > Some of us have to use our freebsd machines to earn a living, and we > can't afford the time and resources to set our jobs aside and debug > our working machines on a daily basis. It's 2018 Ian, -CURRENT is not as much of a flux as it used to be (but it takes a lot more time to build now). Disks got larger, filesystems learned snapshots; one can update their machines and go back easily if things went south. Development, collaboration, testing/CI, etc. tools also got better, people no longer commit their WIP to -CURRENT in hope that it'll work (at least not as often as 15-20 years ago. :-) ./danfe
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